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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,167 --> 00:00:13,418 I want some! 2 00:00:13,501 --> 00:00:16,046 It's the Monopoly game, only at McDonald's 3 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:19,132 with over 50 million prizes and supersized excitements. 4 00:00:19,215 --> 00:00:22,844 Monopoly. Do not pass go. Go directly to McDonald's. 5 00:00:22,927 --> 00:00:25,472 If you were around back in the '90s... 6 00:00:25,639 --> 00:00:29,309 Now at McDonald's, Monopoly is more than a game. You can play it. 7 00:00:29,392 --> 00:00:31,144 You heard it everywhere. 8 00:00:31,227 --> 00:00:36,358 The game Monopoly is back at McDonald's bigger and better than ever. 9 00:00:36,441 --> 00:00:39,319 This year, there's more prizes than ever. 10 00:00:39,402 --> 00:00:43,448 McDonald's ran the Monopoly game for years. 11 00:00:43,531 --> 00:00:47,535 - Hey, collect the right game pieces. - And win two million dollars. 12 00:00:47,619 --> 00:00:53,458 But no one knew the truth about the game being played. 13 00:00:54,626 --> 00:00:56,002 No one. 14 00:01:00,590 --> 00:01:02,717 People everywhere are winning big. 15 00:01:02,884 --> 00:01:07,514 I've been caught stealing once when I was five. 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,432 I enjoy stealing. 17 00:01:09,974 --> 00:01:12,936 The McDonald's prizes could be cars, boats, 18 00:01:13,019 --> 00:01:16,606 hundred thousand up to the million dollars. 19 00:01:16,689 --> 00:01:20,276 When I want something and I don't wanna pay for it. 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,904 But from 1989 to 2001... 21 00:01:23,071 --> 00:01:25,407 Hey. I won a Dodge Viper. 22 00:01:25,490 --> 00:01:30,495 There were almost no legitimate winners of the high value game pieces 23 00:01:30,578 --> 00:01:32,914 in the McDonald's Monopoly game. 24 00:01:33,665 --> 00:01:38,336 Yeah. I mean how crazy bullshit is that? 25 00:01:39,504 --> 00:01:40,755 It's mine. 26 00:02:20,170 --> 00:02:24,549 MCMILLIONS 27 00:02:54,370 --> 00:02:59,250 Jacksonville FBI had a little bit of a reputation of 28 00:02:59,334 --> 00:03:02,378 being a sleepy hollow retirement office. 29 00:03:02,462 --> 00:03:07,050 There was a slower attitude there. Very undersized, 30 00:03:07,216 --> 00:03:13,389 a fraction of a Miami or an Atlanta or something like that spread very thin. 31 00:03:21,314 --> 00:03:23,066 At the time in 2001, 32 00:03:23,149 --> 00:03:27,820 I supervised a squad of approximately 12 agents charged with investigating 33 00:03:27,904 --> 00:03:33,409 white-collar crime, bank fraud, healthcare fraud, public corruption. 34 00:03:33,493 --> 00:03:37,455 Even before I got there, I kept hearing about this legendary guy Rick Dent 35 00:03:37,622 --> 00:03:41,417 mid-career, senior agent and his partner Doug Matthews, 36 00:03:41,501 --> 00:03:44,003 a newly assigned agent to the division. 37 00:03:44,087 --> 00:03:45,922 I'm Special Agent Matthews. 38 00:03:46,005 --> 00:03:49,217 When you pull Jacksonville as an office you're going to, what I heard was, 39 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:50,635 "Good luck with that." 40 00:03:50,802 --> 00:03:52,762 For big cases, man, 41 00:03:52,845 --> 00:03:56,891 you're like duct taping stuff together just because you wanna make it happen. 42 00:03:56,974 --> 00:04:00,144 That's the type of division you were in. 43 00:04:00,228 --> 00:04:04,023 I was lucky to link up with Rick Dent early on 44 00:04:04,107 --> 00:04:08,486 and have him as the old guard, my training agent. 45 00:04:08,569 --> 00:04:10,238 He's a mathematician 46 00:04:10,321 --> 00:04:14,283 and has about as much personality as this piece of wood right here. 47 00:04:14,450 --> 00:04:18,913 Very matter of fact. And so he and I were kind of opposites there. 48 00:04:18,996 --> 00:04:21,624 I'm always looking for another fun ride, right? 49 00:04:21,707 --> 00:04:23,334 If you guys get to Rick Dent, I'm telling you, 50 00:04:23,501 --> 00:04:28,840 he's gonna be "Yes. No. Don't recall." 51 00:04:29,006 --> 00:04:32,802 The filmmakers made multiple requests to interview special agent Rick Dent. 52 00:04:32,885 --> 00:04:35,096 His response: "No." 53 00:04:41,394 --> 00:04:44,856 The priority for the FBI at that particular juncture 54 00:04:44,939 --> 00:04:47,525 was healthcare fraud. 55 00:04:48,609 --> 00:04:54,365 A work in the one to three-year type case, that's a long time. 56 00:04:54,449 --> 00:04:58,995 Sometimes I have that ADD thing of the shinier object or whatever. 57 00:04:59,162 --> 00:05:04,208 So, I see this note in the corner part of his desk and all I saw was 58 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:07,879 McDonald's Monopoly Fraud with a question mark. 59 00:05:08,045 --> 00:05:10,339 And I go, "What is that?" 60 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,386 Because I'm bored to death with this healthcare garbage, right? 61 00:05:15,469 --> 00:05:18,723 It's important but I was ready to move on. 62 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:23,227 I go, "Is this the McDonald's Monopoly game?" He was like, "Yeah." 63 00:05:23,394 --> 00:05:25,646 Eventually, I was gonna get around to it. 64 00:05:27,364 --> 00:05:31,952 So what he told me was that there was an individual who had called in 65 00:05:32,036 --> 00:05:35,956 and had this story that the Monopoly game was fixed. 66 00:05:38,209 --> 00:05:40,211 That was pretty much it. 67 00:05:40,294 --> 00:05:43,464 I go, "Give me that damn thing. I'm gonna go check this out." 68 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:45,299 I'm seeing the fun mirror with that. 69 00:05:45,382 --> 00:05:48,511 That's got to be more fun than this shit that I'm looking at. 70 00:05:49,929 --> 00:05:54,099 Dent thought it was just some BS story. So, 71 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:58,646 "Yeah, here. Run with this for a little bit, young man." 72 00:05:59,939 --> 00:06:03,859 I contacted the source of this call 73 00:06:03,943 --> 00:06:08,656 and the source gave me three names 74 00:06:08,739 --> 00:06:11,742 that were previous million-dollar winners 75 00:06:11,825 --> 00:06:15,579 and I said I know this is fixed because these people are related. 76 00:06:15,663 --> 00:06:19,375 They're on the family tree somehow with all different names. 77 00:06:19,458 --> 00:06:22,670 And the person who's controlling this 78 00:06:22,753 --> 00:06:26,757 was this nebulous name of Uncle Jerry. 79 00:06:29,218 --> 00:06:31,178 So I come back, I'm excited, right? 80 00:06:31,345 --> 00:06:35,975 I got the biggest case ever. I said, "Look, all million-dollar winners. 81 00:06:36,058 --> 00:06:38,852 We need to be on this. I think I probably said that. 82 00:06:38,936 --> 00:06:42,356 "Screw that healthcare shit we're working." Or something like that. 83 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:45,901 Rick, I don't know if that was it or... I know you would never agree with that. 84 00:06:45,985 --> 00:06:50,155 But like any senior agent goes, this happens even in today's bureau. 85 00:06:50,322 --> 00:06:54,076 The new young guy goes out and finds a nice piece of gold. 86 00:06:54,159 --> 00:06:55,911 The old agent goes, 87 00:06:56,078 --> 00:07:00,749 "Give me that back and let me look at this." And that's about how it was. 88 00:07:03,043 --> 00:07:05,587 Truth be told, I was a little skeptical. 89 00:07:05,671 --> 00:07:08,090 Fast food, promotional game fraud 90 00:07:08,173 --> 00:07:10,801 was not making any list of priorities anywhere. 91 00:07:10,968 --> 00:07:14,179 I don't think anybody had really been seeing anything like this before. 92 00:07:14,263 --> 00:07:18,392 So there's always a risk that I turn these guys loose on this 93 00:07:18,475 --> 00:07:22,021 and it turns out it's not true and that I've expended resources. 94 00:07:22,104 --> 00:07:29,069 But I think we all realized if this is true, this is big. 95 00:07:29,153 --> 00:07:34,908 What Rick did was immediately get in touch with the US attorney's office 96 00:07:34,992 --> 00:07:36,660 and Mark Devereaux because 97 00:07:36,827 --> 00:07:39,830 if you don't have an interest from a prosecutor, you're wasting your time. 98 00:07:47,337 --> 00:07:53,093 Devereaux was the go-to guy that prosecuted our white-collar stuff. 99 00:07:53,260 --> 00:07:56,013 If there's a chance this thing can be indicted, prosecuted, 100 00:07:56,096 --> 00:07:59,433 even if it's a difficult case, he's gonna be the guy to do it 101 00:07:59,516 --> 00:08:02,436 because he's the guy behind the wheel. 102 00:08:04,813 --> 00:08:11,028 That part of the sell to get that prosecutor on was a big a deal. 103 00:08:11,111 --> 00:08:16,366 I didn't know if Devereaux knew what Monopoly game was. I have no idea. 104 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:19,077 I think he was a Burger King guy. I don't know. 105 00:08:28,712 --> 00:08:30,214 My name's Mark Devereaux, 106 00:08:30,380 --> 00:08:33,967 Assistant US Attorney for almost 30 years. 107 00:08:34,051 --> 00:08:37,638 In this case, it was, I don't know if this is real 108 00:08:37,721 --> 00:08:42,184 or if it's just somebody trying to get family members somehow 109 00:08:42,267 --> 00:08:44,353 interviewed and get them in trouble. 110 00:08:45,938 --> 00:08:47,523 But lo and behold, 111 00:08:49,024 --> 00:08:54,279 when we received a list of all the winners, 112 00:08:54,363 --> 00:09:00,285 we could show to different databases these individuals were related. 113 00:09:00,369 --> 00:09:04,289 They had family connections in the local Jacksonville area. 114 00:09:04,373 --> 00:09:09,127 In my world, you don't believe in coincidences very much. 115 00:09:09,211 --> 00:09:14,716 And the chance of having numerous family members and relatives 116 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,970 win the game was just astronomical. 117 00:09:23,267 --> 00:09:25,852 Basically, you've got less of a chance 118 00:09:25,936 --> 00:09:29,564 than you do of getting struck by lightning in Florida. 119 00:09:32,567 --> 00:09:36,196 At that point in time, we knew there was a problem. 120 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,241 How big was that problem? We had no idea. 121 00:09:40,409 --> 00:09:44,371 The information we were compiling is that their contest had been infected 122 00:09:44,454 --> 00:09:47,958 years before we became aware. 123 00:09:48,125 --> 00:09:54,298 We're talking altogether hundreds of millions of dollars of these prizes. 124 00:09:54,381 --> 00:09:57,509 Well, how much of that is fraud? 125 00:09:59,136 --> 00:10:04,516 Once Devereaux said, "I'm interested in this," he's on for everything. 126 00:10:04,683 --> 00:10:07,811 All the strategy sessions. 127 00:10:07,894 --> 00:10:10,856 Some prosecutors, you see that space. 128 00:10:10,939 --> 00:10:14,943 Devereaux, he got no space. Right all up in there with you. 129 00:10:17,404 --> 00:10:23,952 We start with where could there be the opportunity to steal the game piece. 130 00:10:25,787 --> 00:10:30,542 We weren't sure if there was somebody inside with McDonald's 131 00:10:30,625 --> 00:10:36,256 where that person was, how many and how far that went. 132 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,678 How many suspects do we have? We have to figure out who makes the cups, 133 00:10:41,762 --> 00:10:46,516 who makes the fry box, who makes these game pieces that you would pull off, 134 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,687 how many people are in this chain. 135 00:10:50,854 --> 00:10:54,483 There's all kinds of possibilities. This could be the driver, 136 00:10:54,566 --> 00:10:56,985 the delivery people, people in the factory, 137 00:10:57,068 --> 00:11:00,697 or even somebody even corporate at McDonald's. 138 00:11:01,573 --> 00:11:04,367 We didn't close out anyone. 139 00:11:08,538 --> 00:11:12,959 So there reached a point where there was a ton of questions 140 00:11:13,043 --> 00:11:17,881 but it was very difficult to pursue that further 141 00:11:17,964 --> 00:11:20,217 without putting some action to it. 142 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:25,347 There wasn't a lot of, at the time, get on the internet and do something. 143 00:11:28,266 --> 00:11:32,020 We clearly had to start somewhere 144 00:11:32,103 --> 00:11:36,983 but without compromising the case. 145 00:11:37,067 --> 00:11:41,238 So we needed a source of information on the inside. 146 00:11:42,364 --> 00:11:44,699 There was a big decision to be made and that was 147 00:11:44,866 --> 00:11:50,664 do we contact McDonald's because we just ran into a dead end. 148 00:11:50,747 --> 00:11:53,041 I was sitting back going, "Don't let them know. 149 00:11:53,208 --> 00:11:56,419 I don't want them involved yet. Way too soon." 150 00:11:56,586 --> 00:12:00,340 But that's me and that was just one little tiny voice. 151 00:12:00,423 --> 00:12:02,384 And I mean tiny when I say that. 152 00:12:02,467 --> 00:12:08,056 Of course there's a possibility that somebody in McDonald's is involved 153 00:12:08,139 --> 00:12:11,393 or knows about this and is looking the other way. 154 00:12:11,476 --> 00:12:15,772 But that was a risk we were ultimately willing to take. 155 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:26,324 We didn't want to alert too many people at McDonald's. 156 00:12:26,408 --> 00:12:31,538 So, we contacted their Head of Global Security, Rob Holm, 157 00:12:31,621 --> 00:12:33,248 and told him that 158 00:12:33,415 --> 00:12:37,168 t would probably be best for you to come to Jacksonville. 159 00:12:37,252 --> 00:12:42,340 Didn't tell him why. Just told him, you have to come and see us. 160 00:12:43,341 --> 00:12:46,219 That this was need-to-know only. 161 00:12:46,303 --> 00:12:51,850 Do not tell anybody you're coming to see the FBI, to keep it quiet. 162 00:12:51,933 --> 00:12:54,728 McDonald's sent three people 163 00:12:54,811 --> 00:12:57,772 and I personally picked them up here in Jacksonville 164 00:12:57,939 --> 00:13:02,235 and we drove over to the FBI Office in the morning. 165 00:13:02,986 --> 00:13:07,574 Mostly, it was just welcome to Jacksonville, this and that. 166 00:13:07,741 --> 00:13:10,869 Didn't even explain to them what we had. 167 00:13:12,954 --> 00:13:16,207 We got to the FBI office... 168 00:13:19,794 --> 00:13:22,380 Took them up to the conference room. 169 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:29,637 You're evaluating their body language or whether they're twitching. 170 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:34,559 Are they legitimate? Or is there something else going on here? 171 00:13:34,642 --> 00:13:39,189 At that point, we did not know if the McDonald's was involved. 172 00:13:39,355 --> 00:13:42,567 Every organization can have a bad apple. 173 00:13:45,070 --> 00:13:50,617 This part of the investigation was extremely boring to me. 174 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:54,329 I don't want anything to do with this. Call me when it's over, Rick, right? 175 00:13:54,412 --> 00:13:59,292 Which was sort of my MO a lot of times. It's way too slow for me. 176 00:13:59,375 --> 00:14:01,336 But I was, "No, you got to be here for that." 177 00:14:01,419 --> 00:14:04,881 And so I think I showed up. I might've had a gold suit on. 178 00:14:08,927 --> 00:14:11,930 I had it in the closet and I thought this is a great opportunity 179 00:14:12,013 --> 00:14:14,641 where this was like a golden fry suit, right? 180 00:14:14,724 --> 00:14:16,976 Man, when I wore that in there, Mark Devereaux, 181 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:19,562 if he could've ripped it off with his hands, he would've. 182 00:14:19,646 --> 00:14:20,980 He goes, "Are you kidding me?" 183 00:14:21,064 --> 00:14:25,568 But it had a white shirt on, right? So I thought I was safe. I wasn't. 184 00:14:27,237 --> 00:14:31,699 Doug has quite a wardrobe and there he is, sitting there. 185 00:14:31,866 --> 00:14:35,370 And lo and behold, he looks like he's a manager of a McDonald's. 186 00:14:38,206 --> 00:14:39,958 They thought it was cool. 187 00:14:42,377 --> 00:14:43,628 I'm kidding. 188 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:47,382 So, when you're there in that meeting, very tint. 189 00:14:47,465 --> 00:14:52,720 I went up to a whiteboard and started putting names down. 190 00:14:55,557 --> 00:14:59,143 And I ask, "Do you recognize the names?" 191 00:15:00,937 --> 00:15:02,772 "No, sir." 192 00:15:02,939 --> 00:15:07,694 "All these people are winners on your promotional games." 193 00:15:09,904 --> 00:15:16,369 And then, I started drawing lines of family connections and relationships. 194 00:15:17,704 --> 00:15:21,499 Devereaux's putting around the whiteboard there, "Did you know this?" 195 00:15:21,583 --> 00:15:25,545 Brothers, sisters, cousins, mother-daughter, that type thing. 196 00:15:25,628 --> 00:15:30,091 This person is married to this person's daughter 197 00:15:30,174 --> 00:15:33,928 and the last names were all different. 198 00:15:34,012 --> 00:15:38,766 And I remember it was literally jaws on the table. 199 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:41,227 They just could not believe it. 200 00:15:41,769 --> 00:15:46,524 Even though we had it look like our corporate victim here of McDonald's, 201 00:15:46,608 --> 00:15:50,528 are they truly a victim? I mean, there's always that. 202 00:15:54,282 --> 00:15:57,410 And so there was more information there that I would've probably put out there, 203 00:15:57,577 --> 00:16:00,872 certainly enough for them to see, wow, that, "Yeah, have an issue." 204 00:16:01,039 --> 00:16:05,585 Everybody agreed that we needed to keep this circle of individuals 205 00:16:05,668 --> 00:16:09,339 that had this knowledge to the absolute minimum. 206 00:16:11,341 --> 00:16:15,678 Devereaux was doing most the talking as he usually does 207 00:16:15,845 --> 00:16:19,265 and it just seemed like this meeting just took forever. 208 00:16:19,432 --> 00:16:23,353 Don't know if I was hungry, I might've been hungry twice in that meeting. 209 00:16:26,606 --> 00:16:28,524 Proving this case historically, 210 00:16:28,608 --> 00:16:31,194 which is what we traditionally did in white-collar cases 211 00:16:31,277 --> 00:16:35,490 when you rely on paperwork, you rely on witness interviews, bank statements, 212 00:16:35,573 --> 00:16:37,950 was gonna be very difficult. 213 00:16:38,034 --> 00:16:41,037 I mean, almost monumental. 214 00:16:41,204 --> 00:16:44,248 We would, in this case, have to think outside the box 215 00:16:44,415 --> 00:16:50,129 and then we find out that they were on the cusp of running another game. 216 00:16:50,213 --> 00:16:55,843 It was a perfect fit because we were looking to doing something proactively, 217 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:58,846 essentially catch people in the act. 218 00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:05,436 We told them the only way to identify this criminal enterprise 219 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,314 was to have them run a game 220 00:17:08,397 --> 00:17:12,568 knowing that there's fraud somewhere involved in this. 221 00:17:14,612 --> 00:17:18,616 We have this, we're going forward, we want your help. 222 00:17:18,699 --> 00:17:22,662 If the answer is no nothing happens. 223 00:17:39,804 --> 00:17:43,558 My name is Rob Holm, Director of Global Security for McDonald's. 224 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:53,192 Our brand is, throughout the world, 37,000 restaurants and 120 countries. 225 00:17:53,276 --> 00:17:55,194 So, it's a big responsibility. 226 00:17:59,907 --> 00:18:05,371 When I first learned about our Monopoly game being compromised I was shocked. 227 00:18:05,454 --> 00:18:09,083 l was really shocked. How in the world could have this have happened? 228 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:13,004 More importantly, was anybody from McDonald's a part of this? 229 00:18:15,798 --> 00:18:21,679 The FBI wanted to run the promotion knowing that it was rigged. 230 00:18:21,762 --> 00:18:24,015 I was hesitant to do that. 231 00:18:24,098 --> 00:18:27,143 Obviously we're concerned that if this game is rigged, 232 00:18:27,310 --> 00:18:31,647 customers are not even gonna get a chance to win the million dollars. 233 00:18:31,814 --> 00:18:36,444 I think we were naive to think that they would agree right then and there 234 00:18:36,527 --> 00:18:39,488 and we'd be off and running. 235 00:18:39,655 --> 00:18:45,369 These promotions were, of everything McDonald's, one of the bright spots. 236 00:18:45,536 --> 00:18:47,955 I remember the mad cow and at that time, 237 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,084 McDonald's was struggling with some image things. 238 00:18:52,168 --> 00:18:55,338 Concern over Britain's so called mad cow disease spread late today 239 00:18:55,421 --> 00:18:57,006 to McDonald's restaurants. 240 00:18:57,173 --> 00:18:58,924 First mad cow and now this. 241 00:18:59,550 --> 00:19:01,636 McDonald's and you. 242 00:19:02,428 --> 00:19:05,556 McDonald's and you Sharing good times... 243 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,101 The most important thing for McDonald's is their brand name. 244 00:19:09,185 --> 00:19:12,480 They're a family restaurant that can be trusted. 245 00:19:12,563 --> 00:19:16,067 Their golden arches are a part of America. 246 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:22,114 Remember there's only one McDonald's and there's only one you. 247 00:19:22,198 --> 00:19:24,742 They have to protect that. 248 00:19:24,825 --> 00:19:27,244 McDonald's and you. 249 00:19:27,328 --> 00:19:32,291 And so if it's on a 6:00 news, in the national news, 250 00:19:32,375 --> 00:19:34,752 that McDonald's games are a fraud, 251 00:19:34,835 --> 00:19:39,215 they could suffer irreparable damage to their good name. 252 00:19:40,674 --> 00:19:44,553 I wasn't in their meetings but I would bet dollars to donuts 253 00:19:44,637 --> 00:19:48,933 that there were a few people that said, "We can't do this, shut it off," 254 00:19:49,016 --> 00:19:51,602 and nobody ever finds out about this. 255 00:19:52,353 --> 00:19:53,479 They wanted this big meeting. 256 00:19:53,646 --> 00:19:57,525 So we went out there to Illinois, their headquarters... 257 00:19:57,608 --> 00:20:03,614 They got this great coffee in the inside when you walk in their place 258 00:20:03,697 --> 00:20:08,869 and you're waiting on them, so anyway, I know that's aside. 259 00:20:08,953 --> 00:20:13,290 At that time, we weren't sure which way they were gonna go. 260 00:20:13,457 --> 00:20:15,918 That was a heck of a decision. 261 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:20,714 There were so many what ifs. 262 00:20:20,798 --> 00:20:25,386 What if it's somebody within our own company? A traitor? 263 00:20:25,553 --> 00:20:28,681 We've got a problem. 264 00:20:28,848 --> 00:20:32,434 They needed to find that out, because if they had just shut down, 265 00:20:32,601 --> 00:20:34,520 it may have continued. 266 00:20:34,603 --> 00:20:36,147 How many people have been playing this thing? 267 00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:39,275 They're gonna find out, we didn't help burn this down. 268 00:20:39,358 --> 00:20:42,653 The McDonald's knew they had a ticking bomb. 269 00:20:48,492 --> 00:20:52,663 Making that call was something that we took seriously. 270 00:20:52,746 --> 00:20:57,835 Our worry all along was that this could be leaked out publically. 271 00:20:57,918 --> 00:21:00,921 So, it was not an easy decision 272 00:21:01,005 --> 00:21:05,050 but ultimately, we owed it to our customers to do the right thing 273 00:21:05,134 --> 00:21:07,052 which is to run the game one more time. 274 00:21:09,221 --> 00:21:13,350 We absolutely knew that if we didn't get this right 275 00:21:13,434 --> 00:21:15,436 we're not getting another opportunity, it's not like, 276 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,147 "Don't worry, we'll run this again next month." 277 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:24,278 We knew that at best we had this one shot to move our investigation. 278 00:21:24,445 --> 00:21:26,572 This is how we do it. 279 00:21:26,739 --> 00:21:28,782 From that point, it was literally 280 00:21:28,949 --> 00:21:31,785 "McDonald's, tell us how this program works." 281 00:21:31,869 --> 00:21:35,706 But McDonald's make French fries and hamburgers, and milkshakes, 282 00:21:35,873 --> 00:21:37,207 and apple pies. 283 00:21:37,291 --> 00:21:39,710 They don't make marketing. 284 00:21:39,793 --> 00:21:45,049 They outsourced it. They They hired a marketing company, Simon Marketing. 285 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:51,472 Simon Marketing produced and came up with the Happy Meal toys in the '80s. 286 00:21:51,555 --> 00:21:54,516 Your kids will love McDonald's Happy Meal. It's food and fun in a box. 287 00:21:54,683 --> 00:21:57,478 The Happy Meal is gonna increase your business but it's for the children. 288 00:21:57,645 --> 00:21:59,229 I have a Happy Meal. 289 00:21:59,396 --> 00:22:03,192 They wanted a promotion for the adult. 290 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,155 I'm Richard White, started at Simon Marketing in 1981. 291 00:22:08,322 --> 00:22:11,742 The game Monopoly has come to life at McDonald's. 292 00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:16,914 The Monopoly game, we designed that game and it was running once a year. 293 00:22:16,997 --> 00:22:20,793 A two-million-dollar grand prize. Play Monopoly. 294 00:22:20,876 --> 00:22:24,046 It was ridiculous amount of increase in McDonald's business, 295 00:22:24,129 --> 00:22:29,176 like, 40% when we ran the game. People love collecting. 296 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:34,223 The Monopoly promotion is much like the Monopoly game you would have at home. 297 00:22:34,306 --> 00:22:38,686 Customers try to match game pieces like boardwalk and park place. 298 00:22:38,852 --> 00:22:43,065 They had their cards and it'd be full, but that'd be missing a piece, 299 00:22:43,148 --> 00:22:46,485 and a piece and a piece, and a piece, because those were the winning pieces. 300 00:22:46,652 --> 00:22:50,614 And there was low-value pieces that you could win, food items, beverages, 301 00:22:50,697 --> 00:22:54,451 and some of the high value pieces, the homes vehicles and the million dollars. 302 00:22:54,618 --> 00:22:57,704 - Boardwalk. - Boardwalk? 303 00:22:57,788 --> 00:23:02,167 So they were after that million-dollar winner and people like chance games. 304 00:23:02,251 --> 00:23:05,587 Any game we did for McDonald's always increased their business. 305 00:23:05,671 --> 00:23:08,257 We actually did scrabble one year. 306 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:10,551 Got to where they started doing it twice a year. 307 00:23:10,717 --> 00:23:14,430 How are we gonna get our sales back up? Let's run Monopoly again. 308 00:23:14,596 --> 00:23:18,517 This is how we do it, all hands up in the air. 309 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,480 There were very specific rules for how you could obtain the game piece. 310 00:23:23,647 --> 00:23:26,900 One of the ways was that you could just walk in 311 00:23:27,067 --> 00:23:32,114 and ask for free to get a game piece because otherwise, it was gambling. 312 00:23:32,281 --> 00:23:36,660 How else can you get the game piece? You could go in and buy a food product 313 00:23:36,743 --> 00:23:40,539 and you could get the game piece out of some of the magazines. 314 00:23:40,622 --> 00:23:45,294 Nowhere in the game rules does it say, I can get a game piece 315 00:23:45,460 --> 00:23:46,837 from Uncle Jerry. 316 00:23:47,004 --> 00:23:49,590 This is how we do it. 317 00:23:54,344 --> 00:23:57,222 With a significant case, an undercover operation 318 00:23:57,306 --> 00:24:00,809 or something that involves a lot of people, you could give it a name. 319 00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:05,522 So we had a contest to come up with a name among the squad. 320 00:24:05,606 --> 00:24:10,027 Some of the names are Operation Unhappy Meal, Fallen Arches. 321 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:14,531 I think there were a few playing on the Hamburglar or Stale Fries. 322 00:24:14,698 --> 00:24:17,034 I don't think we sent that one up to headquarters for approval. 323 00:24:17,117 --> 00:24:20,204 I think calmer, more rational minds prevailed. 324 00:24:20,370 --> 00:24:23,498 The new promotional game was called, "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?" 325 00:24:23,582 --> 00:24:25,167 to match up with the TV show. 326 00:24:25,334 --> 00:24:27,377 Play the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire game at McDonald's. 327 00:24:27,461 --> 00:24:30,714 If you remember, the TV show, they ask, "Is that your final answer?" 328 00:24:30,797 --> 00:24:32,215 - Final answer? - Final answer. 329 00:24:32,299 --> 00:24:35,928 So, that ultimately became the name of this operation. 330 00:24:38,805 --> 00:24:42,434 Game time. Kickoff has started and we're in the game. 331 00:24:49,691 --> 00:24:53,946 At the time, I was always looking for an undercover angle, 332 00:24:54,112 --> 00:24:56,740 even though I was being told, "You don't want that." 333 00:24:56,823 --> 00:25:01,870 I was always asked, "What about this one? Go get the bad guy." 334 00:25:02,037 --> 00:25:03,997 I wanna burn down the criminal enterprise. 335 00:25:06,083 --> 00:25:10,504 Maybe it's the accountant in him or this Walter Mitty complex, 336 00:25:10,671 --> 00:25:13,715 but this was the opportunity to be an undercover agent, 337 00:25:13,882 --> 00:25:19,012 even before we could articulate the need to do any kind of undercover, 338 00:25:19,096 --> 00:25:21,014 that there was always this, 339 00:25:21,098 --> 00:25:23,934 somehow, some way, we got to do an undercover in this thing. 340 00:25:25,644 --> 00:25:28,438 Every single meeting, I'm the one over there going, 341 00:25:28,522 --> 00:25:32,401 "Undercover investigation." I didn't think anybody was listening. 342 00:25:32,567 --> 00:25:34,653 As a matter of fact, I think a couple of them started out with, 343 00:25:34,736 --> 00:25:38,240 "Matthews, I don't wanna hear anything about an undercover investigation, 344 00:25:38,323 --> 00:25:39,533 just sit over there and listen." 345 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,120 Rick always coined that I was the George Costanza 346 00:25:43,286 --> 00:25:45,247 like Seinfeld was being back then. 347 00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:49,960 All right, that's it for me. Take care, everybody. 348 00:25:50,043 --> 00:25:53,755 I'd come in and I'd say "Undercover," and I'm going, I was out. 349 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:58,093 You could let him run with things a bit and then bring him back to reality. 350 00:25:58,176 --> 00:26:00,178 Okay. "Yeah, that's great, Doug. By the way, 351 00:26:00,345 --> 00:26:04,474 I still need that FD-302 you promised me, so I want you 352 00:26:04,558 --> 00:26:08,979 to go get that done and then we'll talk about undercover work." 353 00:26:11,565 --> 00:26:14,568 So we get the call from McDonald's that this guy, Michael Hoover, 354 00:26:14,734 --> 00:26:17,737 a winner had claimed the latest prize. 355 00:26:17,821 --> 00:26:21,366 So, we had the advantage of knowing this person's name 356 00:26:21,533 --> 00:26:25,495 and we're able to do a little bit of preliminary background. 357 00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,793 I think he worked as a pit boss at a casino. 358 00:26:33,462 --> 00:26:38,758 I guess he would've been familiar with gambling and sweepstakes and whatnot. 359 00:26:38,842 --> 00:26:41,386 Rick wanted to try to do the wiretap. 360 00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:45,765 It's called a Title III investigation, the wire investigation got up. 361 00:26:45,849 --> 00:26:49,102 And you're sitting and you're not doing anything 362 00:26:49,186 --> 00:26:51,104 and that's a boring situation for me. 363 00:26:51,271 --> 00:26:54,941 I don't know how many poems I can write on a piece of paper to get through it. 364 00:26:55,108 --> 00:26:58,361 So, I said, "Look, what do you think about this?" 365 00:26:58,445 --> 00:27:02,240 When you win, you party, you're signing up as winners to, and say, 366 00:27:02,324 --> 00:27:05,952 "Hey, I'm okay with using my face and the big check or whatever it is 367 00:27:06,036 --> 00:27:07,954 for future promotions." 368 00:27:08,038 --> 00:27:14,044 So I saw that as an opportunity. Let's use that as a platform for us. 369 00:27:15,545 --> 00:27:19,132 I said, this is a great opportunity for an undercover investigation 370 00:27:19,216 --> 00:27:23,762 where we do this TV commercial of the winners, 371 00:27:23,845 --> 00:27:25,680 like publishers clearing the house. 372 00:27:25,764 --> 00:27:30,727 Jumping up and telling us how they won these and what they did with it, 373 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:33,104 so we could do that with Hoover. 374 00:27:33,271 --> 00:27:37,275 We're the production company, that's how this could roll. 375 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,153 And he's like, "Matthews, who's gonna do this? Are you gonna do it? 376 00:27:40,237 --> 00:27:43,365 Because I'm not doing it." And I said, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it." 377 00:27:43,531 --> 00:27:46,076 He goes, "You don't know anything about that." 378 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,747 And I said, "I'm gonna be the director because they don't do shit. 379 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:55,543 And then I'm gonna get McDonald's to give me their public relations." 380 00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:56,753 That's all I said. 381 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,880 And Rick goes, "Wait a minute. 382 00:27:58,964 --> 00:28:04,970 If we're going to do anything, we're gonna need SAC authority." 383 00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:15,146 I'm Tom Kneir. I was the Special Agent in Charge 384 00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:18,316 of the Jacksonville office of the FBI. 385 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,903 In each office, you have the SAC for the office. 386 00:28:21,987 --> 00:28:26,074 That's their Special Agent In Charge. And then you have squads. 387 00:28:26,157 --> 00:28:31,579 Most of the contact is usually with the squad supervisor. 388 00:28:31,746 --> 00:28:37,877 But this was a particular case that I had a lot of hands-on with Chris 389 00:28:38,044 --> 00:28:41,256 and everybody that worked on that case. 390 00:28:41,339 --> 00:28:46,511 Doug was almost brand new at the time and he's been given a badge, a gun, 391 00:28:46,678 --> 00:28:50,932 and some credentials, and now he's got a superman's cape, right? 392 00:28:51,015 --> 00:28:53,143 And away he goes. 393 00:28:53,226 --> 00:28:56,062 So the next day, I think I was called 394 00:28:56,146 --> 00:28:58,064 and he said, "Hey, you, need to come up here." 395 00:28:58,148 --> 00:29:03,361 When you hear your name, "Matthews to the SAC's Office," 396 00:29:03,445 --> 00:29:05,905 never good. Never, ever good. 397 00:29:06,072 --> 00:29:09,743 And everybody knows it's like the walk of shame. To the elevators, whatever. 398 00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:12,954 "Oh, shit, Matthews. I hope you still have a paycheck," 399 00:29:13,121 --> 00:29:14,956 because they all know it's bad. 400 00:29:16,833 --> 00:29:21,796 And so I come in and it's SAC Kneir, CDC, the Chief Division Council, 401 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,051 Rick Dent, Graham, in this room about this size. It's small. 402 00:29:29,471 --> 00:29:34,225 And they all turned at me and I go, "I'm sorry." 403 00:29:34,392 --> 00:29:37,520 That's all I said, and Rick goes, 404 00:29:37,604 --> 00:29:42,734 "You know, I think this might work. And he is gonna do it." 405 00:29:42,817 --> 00:29:46,988 And that right then was probably, if I was ever concerned about, 406 00:29:47,071 --> 00:29:49,324 "I don't know, man. This might get somewhere," 407 00:29:49,407 --> 00:29:51,201 be-careful-what-you-ask-for thing, 408 00:29:51,284 --> 00:29:54,913 maybe that was the moment for me but it quickly passed. I was back in. 409 00:29:57,207 --> 00:30:00,543 We didn't have a lot of undercover agents in Jacksonville. 410 00:30:00,627 --> 00:30:06,007 You could call headquarters and say, "We need a undercover agent down here." 411 00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:08,676 "Well, he's not available for three weeks," and, you know. 412 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,638 And so we'd just kind of rolled the dice and said, "You know what... 413 00:30:11,721 --> 00:30:13,473 "Doug is a little bit of an actor anyway," 414 00:30:13,556 --> 00:30:17,101 so I guess that's when my hair turned white. No. 415 00:30:17,894 --> 00:30:19,103 Being an undercover agent, 416 00:30:19,187 --> 00:30:22,565 it's not just something you raise your hand and decide to do. 417 00:30:22,732 --> 00:30:27,195 There's a stringent process of school, testing, all these things that 418 00:30:27,362 --> 00:30:31,699 didn't exactly match with Doug's concept of being undercover. 419 00:30:31,783 --> 00:30:35,286 He anted to get right up there onstage. 420 00:30:39,207 --> 00:30:42,585 He was not a certified undercover. But for a specific case 421 00:30:42,752 --> 00:30:46,589 you can get what they call SAC authority to do undercover work. 422 00:30:46,673 --> 00:30:50,635 And that's what Doug Matthews did, just for that specific case. 423 00:30:50,802 --> 00:30:52,804 My name is Janet Pellicciotti 424 00:30:52,887 --> 00:30:56,391 and I was a special agent for the FBI in the Jacksonville Division. 425 00:30:56,557 --> 00:30:59,644 I was our undercover coordinator also and I tried to get him 426 00:30:59,727 --> 00:31:03,314 to become an undercover agent because he was a natural. 427 00:31:03,398 --> 00:31:06,901 Undercover was like acting, only it's real. 428 00:31:06,985 --> 00:31:11,864 You sit there and there's a real threat and somebody could harm you. 429 00:31:11,948 --> 00:31:13,199 They could really harm you. 430 00:31:13,282 --> 00:31:17,120 The Jacksonville Division, if you talk to Agent Pellicciotti, 431 00:31:17,203 --> 00:31:20,123 is a small division that didn't do a lot of this. 432 00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:23,459 This is basically your one shot to go undercover? 433 00:31:23,543 --> 00:31:27,505 Right. I got to do all the fun and not have to go through all the bullshit. 434 00:31:27,588 --> 00:31:28,798 Yeah, just make it happen. 435 00:31:28,965 --> 00:31:32,635 Hey, Matthews, just make it happen. I'm thinking to myself, 436 00:31:32,802 --> 00:31:36,723 one, "Oh, my God, Really?" And then two is, "Sweet." 437 00:31:39,392 --> 00:31:42,603 He wanted to be thrown into the lion's den and he wouldn't have gotten it 438 00:31:42,687 --> 00:31:46,232 if the SAC did not feel he could handle himself. 439 00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:50,903 So, they got some undercovers to act as a film crew. 440 00:31:52,447 --> 00:31:56,159 My name is Jan Garvin and I was videographer. 441 00:31:56,242 --> 00:31:59,662 When I answered his call, he said, "You're gonna love this." 442 00:31:59,746 --> 00:32:02,999 Not "Hey, Jan, how's it going? Let's go how was the trip?" 443 00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:04,375 "You're gonna love this." 444 00:32:04,542 --> 00:32:09,630 And after he explained what it was, it was like, "Okay, we can do this," 445 00:32:09,714 --> 00:32:12,800 and "Yeah, I'm gonna love it." 446 00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:21,142 We needed to put together what appears to be a legitimate production company, 447 00:32:21,225 --> 00:32:27,106 a video person, an audio person, a director and an interviewer. 448 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:30,985 I go, "Yeah, I need one just to act like they're the lighting person." 449 00:32:31,152 --> 00:32:33,279 Nobody needs to see that you're bureau, right? 450 00:32:33,446 --> 00:32:37,241 So give me somebody that's not stupid, because we don't know jack, right? 451 00:32:37,408 --> 00:32:41,329 In my mind, I just thought, just get on the stage and everything will be fine. 452 00:32:41,412 --> 00:32:43,039 You'll just roll right through. 453 00:32:47,627 --> 00:32:50,713 With any production company and any good undercover operation 454 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,551 you need a good name. In this case we came up with "Shamrock Productions." 455 00:32:58,387 --> 00:33:03,226 Which is good but I always liked the byline, "'Cause you're just lucky." 456 00:33:03,392 --> 00:33:06,020 That was good. 457 00:33:10,775 --> 00:33:15,071 We thought about having everybody in this undercover operation 458 00:33:15,154 --> 00:33:16,989 be FBI personnel. 459 00:33:17,156 --> 00:33:18,783 They legitimately tried to make that happen. 460 00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:23,913 It just that the way that this scenario had to run, 461 00:33:23,996 --> 00:33:27,250 you needed somebody inside McDonald's 462 00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:31,879 with that background that would be hard to fake. 463 00:33:37,593 --> 00:33:40,054 My name is Amy Murray. 464 00:33:40,638 --> 00:33:43,266 I've been with McDonald's for 22 years. 465 00:33:45,393 --> 00:33:48,312 The FBI investigation happened 17 years ago, 466 00:33:48,396 --> 00:33:50,648 and it's been years since I've talked to anyone. 467 00:33:50,731 --> 00:33:54,151 So in fact, I don't really tell the story that much because 468 00:33:54,235 --> 00:33:58,864 how do you drop into conversation that you're part of an FBI investigation? 469 00:34:02,285 --> 00:34:05,955 Back in 2001, I was in the Communications Department. 470 00:34:06,038 --> 00:34:11,043 I had only been working on Monopoly and games for about six months. 471 00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:15,464 My boss's boss called me into his office and he was like, 472 00:34:15,548 --> 00:34:18,259 "Amy, the FBI has contacted us. 473 00:34:18,342 --> 00:34:22,596 They've told us that the game pieces are being stolen 474 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,060 and that the entire game may be compromised by a criminal ring." 475 00:34:28,144 --> 00:34:31,605 And if you can imagine, I was completely shocked. 476 00:34:33,607 --> 00:34:36,485 I felt sick to my stomach. 477 00:34:36,652 --> 00:34:40,156 To break that trust was just devastating. 478 00:34:40,322 --> 00:34:42,283 How could this possibly happen? 479 00:34:42,366 --> 00:34:47,246 I started thinking back to all the answers I heard from Monopoly winners, 480 00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:50,833 and it did seem like they were almost scripted. 481 00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:52,209 Hindsight's 20/20 482 00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:56,672 and I started to realize that it did seem like there was a pattern. 483 00:34:56,756 --> 00:34:59,925 You know, I used that word "pattern" and I think that 484 00:35:00,092 --> 00:35:05,014 was when the FBI really said, "It would be great to talk to Amy directly 485 00:35:05,181 --> 00:35:08,309 since she has so much contact with the winners." 486 00:35:09,810 --> 00:35:13,230 For a civilian to participate in an undercover operation 487 00:35:13,314 --> 00:35:17,151 doesn't happen much at all, for obvious reasons, right? 488 00:35:17,234 --> 00:35:20,821 Because if something happens, you want people who are professionals, 489 00:35:20,905 --> 00:35:23,949 that are used to being in situations like that. 490 00:35:24,033 --> 00:35:28,245 I was concerned because I wanted to make sure her safety and security 491 00:35:28,412 --> 00:35:33,542 was first and foremost. They said, "Rob, don't worry. She will be safe." 492 00:35:36,086 --> 00:35:40,716 We really didn't know how far we'd have to go to help the FBI get evidence. 493 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,888 And, yes there were nerves involved and I was nervous. 494 00:35:45,971 --> 00:35:50,768 But I was all-in. I wanted to make it right as fast as possible. 495 00:35:50,851 --> 00:35:54,605 So, I would be talking to the FBI sometimes every day, 496 00:35:54,688 --> 00:35:55,898 sometimes twice a day. 497 00:35:56,065 --> 00:35:58,609 People were intrigued what's this special project. 498 00:35:58,776 --> 00:36:03,155 I just couldn't talk about this, not to my family, not to my closest friends, 499 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,032 not even to co-workers. 500 00:36:06,659 --> 00:36:11,038 We told a couple people in McDonald's and then our team, that's it. 501 00:36:11,205 --> 00:36:14,208 Because we still didn't know, you got to remember this investigation, 502 00:36:14,291 --> 00:36:20,256 we didn't know if anybody was infected through corporate, or who. 503 00:36:20,339 --> 00:36:24,885 So we set up a time for Shamrock Productions 504 00:36:24,969 --> 00:36:28,138 to go up and visit Mr. Hoover. 505 00:36:29,765 --> 00:36:32,893 He had already been in contact with Amy 506 00:36:32,977 --> 00:36:37,481 and he was very amenable to us coming by to film this commercial 507 00:36:37,648 --> 00:36:39,191 that we were putting together. 508 00:36:39,275 --> 00:36:43,737 I'll never forget showing up at an airport, then a white van pulled up 509 00:36:43,821 --> 00:36:45,948 with all of the FBI agents and 510 00:36:46,115 --> 00:36:49,368 they're like "Hi, Amy," and I was introduced to all of them. 511 00:36:49,535 --> 00:36:52,705 I really had to talk to Doug about this is what a producer would do. 512 00:36:52,788 --> 00:36:56,083 This is what the cameraman would do. And I was just playing myself. 513 00:36:58,210 --> 00:37:01,297 The first time we're going out there, I think I had like a golf shirt on. 514 00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:05,384 I looked like maybe I played nine holes or something like that. 515 00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:10,806 Amy told me a director looks like somebody who came off the golf course. 516 00:37:10,973 --> 00:37:15,936 So, I'm excited, right? But I have a lot of apprehension as well. 517 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,063 It's the first one, you want it to be 518 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:22,151 seamless and you don't know what to expect. 519 00:37:22,234 --> 00:37:26,488 As an agent you wanna carry a gun and wear a bulletproof vest. 520 00:37:26,655 --> 00:37:30,492 But in an undercover operation, that may be too much risk. 521 00:37:30,659 --> 00:37:32,828 You wear an ankle holster and then 522 00:37:32,911 --> 00:37:36,165 you sit down at a chair and somebody sees it, so. 523 00:37:36,332 --> 00:37:39,585 You had that little extra antenna going up 524 00:37:39,668 --> 00:37:43,297 to make sure you don't say anything or do anything 525 00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:47,634 that would trigger the suspect to look at you crossways and go, "Hmm." 526 00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:50,846 I had butterflies in my stomach. 527 00:37:50,929 --> 00:37:54,266 I was nervous about not wrecking the investigation. 528 00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:59,229 I wanted to make sure I did a good job, that I wasn't causing any suspicion. 529 00:37:59,396 --> 00:38:03,025 It's an adrenaline that happens through your system. 530 00:38:03,108 --> 00:38:06,570 You feel fully awake and alive. 531 00:38:06,653 --> 00:38:08,781 She was very nervous and I'm like, 532 00:38:08,947 --> 00:38:12,076 "You talk to these people all the time, right?" "Yeah, but not like this." 533 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,786 And I go, "There's not like this. 534 00:38:13,952 --> 00:38:16,580 You don't know anything about our investigation. 535 00:38:16,663 --> 00:38:18,791 They don't, either, so forget about that." 536 00:38:18,874 --> 00:38:21,752 She's laughing, like, how am I supposed to forget about that, right? 537 00:38:21,919 --> 00:38:25,547 I said, "You got to forget about that and just do what you normally do." 538 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,718 We're very close to the exit. We know where it is. 539 00:38:29,885 --> 00:38:34,181 Just stay as close as you can because I don't know what to expect. 540 00:38:34,264 --> 00:38:36,600 Any civilian that you bring in, you're gonna tell them, 541 00:38:36,683 --> 00:38:40,145 "We have a team. There's always a team outside. 542 00:38:42,231 --> 00:38:45,109 If anything happens, they'll be there immediately 543 00:38:45,275 --> 00:38:47,611 to make sure you're safe and secure." 544 00:38:48,445 --> 00:38:50,739 We have distress calls, things like that. 545 00:38:50,823 --> 00:38:53,951 So, if the undercover agent says a certain word, 546 00:38:54,117 --> 00:38:56,453 "I feel like a terrible flu is coming on," 547 00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:59,832 something's really gone wrong, we got a problem. 548 00:38:59,915 --> 00:39:03,585 And so they went to his home, 549 00:39:03,669 --> 00:39:05,212 they came in... 550 00:39:06,421 --> 00:39:10,133 And so you have the FBI agents, unbeknownst to Mr. Hoover, 551 00:39:10,217 --> 00:39:12,719 with the cameras on their shoulder. 552 00:39:12,803 --> 00:39:18,058 If we were set up to record anything, we would hit the record button. 553 00:39:18,141 --> 00:39:20,519 You never know what you're gonna capture. 554 00:39:20,602 --> 00:39:23,105 Always gold when they don't know it. 555 00:39:23,188 --> 00:39:28,277 The greatest thing in the world about all of this is we had a camera rolling. 556 00:39:33,323 --> 00:39:36,994 - Would you take that to your bank? - What was that? 557 00:39:37,077 --> 00:39:39,037 You think you could take that to your local bank to cash? 558 00:39:39,121 --> 00:39:41,248 I doubt it. I doubt it. 559 00:39:41,331 --> 00:39:43,292 And suddenly one of you says, "We'll do this at the end". 560 00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:46,878 Amy, she worked her McDonald's magic 561 00:39:46,962 --> 00:39:52,050 and she had all this confetti popper stuff and the big check. 562 00:39:52,217 --> 00:39:55,554 We never know, whenever we get a call from Amy where we're gonna... 563 00:39:55,637 --> 00:39:59,266 It's always good to find out where she always takes us to a different area. 564 00:39:59,349 --> 00:40:01,059 A good surprise. 565 00:40:01,143 --> 00:40:03,770 Yeah, that's definitely childproof. 566 00:40:03,854 --> 00:40:05,063 I mean, it's a big check. 567 00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:07,357 I think it was taller than her, actually. 568 00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:11,403 Everything had to seem very natural. 569 00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:14,364 It had to seem like we had done this a million times. 570 00:40:14,531 --> 00:40:18,410 We made sure that I always called Doug Doug and not Agent Matthews 571 00:40:18,493 --> 00:40:20,579 because it would have been really bad if suddenly I was like, 572 00:40:20,662 --> 00:40:22,372 "Agent Matthews, can you go do this?" 573 00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:25,667 Amy was really nervous, the whole time. 574 00:40:27,127 --> 00:40:30,047 Which is good. It was healthy to be that way 575 00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:33,216 because I told her I was, too, and I wasn't lying to her. 576 00:40:33,383 --> 00:40:37,679 She's used to this, I'm not, even though I say, "Oh, I got this," right? 577 00:40:37,846 --> 00:40:42,059 She had no idea that I had never done this before but I loved it. 578 00:40:42,142 --> 00:40:45,354 - There's his Monopoly. - All right. 579 00:40:45,437 --> 00:40:46,897 It's got to be sinking in now. 580 00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,109 Now it's official, Ronald McDonald, the official signature. 581 00:40:51,193 --> 00:40:55,781 Doug Matthews could talk to a wall and get it to respond. 582 00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:59,576 He's got that little bit of a southern drawl and everybody sort of likes him. 583 00:40:59,743 --> 00:41:01,870 He's like, "Gosh, darn, you won." 584 00:41:02,996 --> 00:41:04,748 There was no risk that somebody's gonna think, 585 00:41:04,831 --> 00:41:08,835 "Well, this guy is an FBI agent and this is an undercover operation." 586 00:41:08,919 --> 00:41:13,382 No FBI agent laughs as much as this guy does. 587 00:41:14,132 --> 00:41:17,803 I go, "Wow, this really looks like it's had a woman's touch here. 588 00:41:17,886 --> 00:41:22,015 It was all this plaid, just this shit, 589 00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:26,103 which is probably why I did it. 590 00:41:26,269 --> 00:41:31,441 And I said all kinds of stuff, again... We need to move this out, 591 00:41:31,525 --> 00:41:34,277 make everybody seem real comfortable with uncomfortable things 592 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:36,238 which is what I'm good at. 593 00:41:39,074 --> 00:41:42,327 Tell us the story about how you won at the Monopoly Game, 594 00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:43,453 in your own words. 595 00:41:43,537 --> 00:41:45,080 Okay. 596 00:41:46,665 --> 00:41:49,334 They started out pretty peaceful, it was a day off 597 00:41:49,501 --> 00:41:51,378 and I went to the beach for a while. 598 00:41:51,461 --> 00:41:54,881 I ended up actually falling asleep at the beach. 599 00:41:54,965 --> 00:41:59,761 And when I woke up, the wind had come up and was covered with sand, 600 00:41:59,845 --> 00:42:03,640 not a lot, but a little bit of sand. I picked up my belongings 601 00:42:03,723 --> 00:42:07,144 and I headed down to the water there to wash my legs off with the sand 602 00:42:07,227 --> 00:42:10,730 and I was a little klutzy. 603 00:42:10,814 --> 00:42:17,112 The People Magazine and my towel fell out of the backpack into the water, 604 00:42:17,195 --> 00:42:22,367 and got all wet. I ended up throwing those away on the way to the car. 605 00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:28,748 After I was coming home I decided to stop and get provisions for dinner. 606 00:42:28,832 --> 00:42:33,378 So I stopped at the McQuade's Supermarket and picked up a few things 607 00:42:33,461 --> 00:42:36,631 and I had never got a chance to read the magazine. 608 00:42:36,715 --> 00:42:40,385 And it was right there at the checkout stand, so I bought one. 609 00:42:40,468 --> 00:42:46,558 When I got home I was leafing through it. We had the McDonald's Monopoly Game 610 00:42:46,641 --> 00:42:51,229 and it had instant prize winners on it, or they had the quick pick, 611 00:42:51,313 --> 00:42:54,065 I don't know what they're called. 612 00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:57,319 And the first one I peeled off I believe was Pennsylvania Avenue, 613 00:42:57,402 --> 00:43:01,031 the second one I peeled off was a million-dollar instant prize winner. 614 00:43:01,114 --> 00:43:06,995 It was like, "Wow is this for real?" And then I followed the directions 615 00:43:07,078 --> 00:43:11,916 and made the calls and talked to the people and it was for real. 616 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,004 Amy is just used to getting the story, but for me I'm putting legs to that. 617 00:43:16,087 --> 00:43:19,466 And he was mentioning some grocery store and so I go, 618 00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:21,051 "Which one? 619 00:43:21,134 --> 00:43:24,846 Is it right here? Hey, can you take us there?" He goes, "Sure." 620 00:43:25,013 --> 00:43:27,307 He's feeding off the energy part. 621 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:29,768 No, wasn't about to stop that, that was great. 622 00:43:29,934 --> 00:43:31,686 It's a field trip, right? 623 00:43:33,229 --> 00:43:35,649 I'm getting calls. "What the fuck are you doing? 624 00:43:35,732 --> 00:43:39,444 I mean, why-what, this is like, are you adlibbing?" 625 00:43:39,527 --> 00:43:41,780 And I'd go, "Hey, Jan," my camera guy, right? 626 00:43:41,946 --> 00:43:44,199 "Can you get this?" "Yeah, I can get it." 627 00:43:47,702 --> 00:43:52,582 Doug struck me as one of the new breed of agents who thinks outside the box 628 00:43:52,665 --> 00:43:57,837 if you will, but he was gung-ho from the get-go. 629 00:43:59,089 --> 00:44:05,428 This is where I got the People Magazine and inside we had the Monopoly Game 630 00:44:05,512 --> 00:44:08,848 with the instant one-million-dollar winner, and it was great, 631 00:44:08,932 --> 00:44:11,267 it's fantastic. 632 00:44:11,351 --> 00:44:12,769 - Great. - Got it, okay. 633 00:44:12,936 --> 00:44:16,022 He's telling us how he won the prize, all the BS... 634 00:44:16,189 --> 00:44:20,235 His was a magazine-type thing which at the time I didn't even know. 635 00:44:20,318 --> 00:44:22,654 I go, "Really? I thought you got this off the packages." 636 00:44:22,821 --> 00:44:26,574 And Amy's like, "Did you read any of that shit I sent you," right? 637 00:44:26,658 --> 00:44:30,995 And I go, "Of course I did. Which, I may have glossed over." 638 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,165 So I go, "Hey, what'd you do with the money?" Why? 639 00:44:34,249 --> 00:44:36,584 Because I wanna go seize that stuff, right? 640 00:44:36,668 --> 00:44:39,170 And he's like, "I'm buying a boat." And so I go, 641 00:44:39,337 --> 00:44:41,923 "What name would you have on the back of your boat?" 642 00:44:42,006 --> 00:44:44,968 And he was like, "Ruthless Scoundrel." 643 00:44:45,135 --> 00:44:49,973 - One, two, three. - Thanks, McDonald's. Hey. 644 00:44:51,975 --> 00:44:56,521 So I'm reenacting that. And I go, "So, Michael, you were on the beach?" 645 00:44:56,688 --> 00:44:59,649 "Yes, and it's right here, it's this beach," and I go, 646 00:44:59,732 --> 00:45:01,693 "Really? Take us to it." 647 00:45:01,776 --> 00:45:04,779 And I didn't care what that meant to my camera guy, right? He's like, 648 00:45:04,946 --> 00:45:09,284 "Are you kidding me? I got to the damn beach?" 649 00:45:09,367 --> 00:45:14,247 There's always somebody that could respond tactically if needed. 650 00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:19,752 But if something went south between the time something went south 651 00:45:19,836 --> 00:45:23,423 and the time they got there... 652 00:45:26,843 --> 00:45:28,845 Don't do anything stupid. 653 00:45:30,722 --> 00:45:35,226 Doug was a professional but he also did like to have fun. 654 00:45:35,393 --> 00:45:38,521 He loved to tease me and kept me on my toes. 655 00:45:38,688 --> 00:45:40,481 This is what makes my fun meter go. 656 00:45:40,648 --> 00:45:42,692 Amy's back there going, "Look at these shoes I have," 657 00:45:42,775 --> 00:45:44,277 and I'm not looking at shit like that, I said, 658 00:45:44,444 --> 00:45:46,905 "Take your high heels, why are you wearing high heels anyway?" 659 00:45:46,988 --> 00:45:50,950 She was getting on to me about, 660 00:45:51,034 --> 00:45:53,244 "Hey, can you plan this better," but I didn't know. 661 00:45:53,411 --> 00:45:56,581 Can you get enough sound if he tells the story one more time? 662 00:45:56,664 --> 00:46:00,543 - Do you need it? We can try it. - Okay. 663 00:46:00,627 --> 00:46:02,629 Anybody noticing you yet? 664 00:46:02,712 --> 00:46:05,131 - Not really. - Good. 665 00:46:05,214 --> 00:46:07,967 Yeah. You keep people from grabbing this check about right now. 666 00:46:08,051 --> 00:46:11,763 When Doug's at the house it was a controlled environment. 667 00:46:11,846 --> 00:46:14,724 When you're out in the real world, there's nothing controlled. 668 00:46:14,807 --> 00:46:20,688 You're always wary, the operation and the case could be uncompromised. 669 00:46:20,772 --> 00:46:23,733 This is where I lost my People Magazine. 670 00:46:23,816 --> 00:46:26,819 I'm glad that after the beach I stopped and picked up another one 671 00:46:26,903 --> 00:46:30,740 because when I did, I found the McDonald's Monopoly Game, 672 00:46:30,823 --> 00:46:33,284 one-million-dollar instant prize winner. 673 00:46:33,368 --> 00:46:35,078 All right, great. Okay. Good. 674 00:46:35,161 --> 00:46:38,748 Obviously this was Doug's very first undercover 675 00:46:38,831 --> 00:46:40,792 and so you'd wanna try to 676 00:46:40,958 --> 00:46:46,005 keep him under control, keep him sedated, so to speak. 677 00:46:46,089 --> 00:46:47,256 They don't make it easy. 678 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:50,635 So, I'm like, "Man I got plenty, I got enough." 679 00:46:50,802 --> 00:46:54,972 Can I do a couple of artsy things, okay, real quick? 680 00:46:55,682 --> 00:46:57,767 Hey. 681 00:46:57,850 --> 00:47:00,937 He'd stand there smiling and you're doing all this artsy stuff, 682 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:06,943 and then some kid ran up and grabbed the check to, to run away with it. 683 00:47:08,152 --> 00:47:11,280 I'm gonna let this evidence just walk? No way. 684 00:47:11,447 --> 00:47:13,449 And I'm tracking down the beach. 685 00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:16,744 And it's like, "Dude, it's not real." 686 00:47:16,911 --> 00:47:17,995 That was bad news. 687 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,041 That's not a good problem to have being an undercover agent. 688 00:47:22,125 --> 00:47:23,709 And this guy is hammered, 689 00:47:23,793 --> 00:47:28,423 fortunately he's running like in a zigzag so it's easy to catch. 690 00:47:28,506 --> 00:47:32,093 This kid, he was like full of sand in his mouth and crap and I'm like, 691 00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:37,181 "Dude, you see these, I don't know what I'm gonna do with all this sand." 692 00:47:37,265 --> 00:47:42,311 And he's like, "Man, I just saw all those zeroes 693 00:47:42,395 --> 00:47:45,398 and thought I'm just gonna go take it." 694 00:47:45,565 --> 00:47:49,861 And I can't even remember where he wounded off but we never saw him again. 695 00:47:51,612 --> 00:47:56,159 Sometimes on a case being lucky is better than being good. 696 00:47:56,325 --> 00:47:58,619 No Asics, no nothing, 697 00:47:58,703 --> 00:48:02,206 and we still caught that dude because he was hammered and we were not. 698 00:48:02,373 --> 00:48:04,375 And we did get the check back. 699 00:48:13,092 --> 00:48:16,387 It worked great, Amy was phenomenal 700 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:20,183 and I'm like, "Man, undercover is awesome." 701 00:48:25,021 --> 00:48:30,568 Turned out it tickled our wire up. Michael Hoover would be on the phones 702 00:48:30,735 --> 00:48:33,154 which is great because then we were listening to that, recording it. 703 00:48:33,321 --> 00:48:36,949 Again, it got him comfortable, it actually worked, all that works. 704 00:48:41,704 --> 00:48:46,334 At that time I was here in Jacksonville in the, what we call, wire room. 705 00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:50,504 We were listening in for what we hoped to be a telephone call 706 00:48:50,588 --> 00:48:52,840 to this Uncle Jerry. 707 00:48:52,924 --> 00:48:54,342 And immediately 708 00:48:54,425 --> 00:48:59,639 there's a phone call by Mr. Hoover to Mr. Glomb down in South Florida. 709 00:49:00,932 --> 00:49:06,062 We were up on three or four phones. One was this guy, Andrew Glomb. 710 00:49:06,145 --> 00:49:10,149 Andrew Glomb was the guy with a checkered past. 711 00:49:10,316 --> 00:49:13,694 He had previously convicted for some drug charges on the federal side 712 00:49:13,778 --> 00:49:15,947 with the DEA. 713 00:49:16,030 --> 00:49:19,533 He had been in a drug trafficking thing. He was a fugitive for a while, 714 00:49:19,617 --> 00:49:22,745 eventually got arrested and he did some time. 715 00:49:23,871 --> 00:49:27,458 And so, Mr. Hoover had called Mr. Glomb. 716 00:49:27,541 --> 00:49:33,756 Ring, ring. Ring, ring. "Hello, yeah, Andy." That's Andy Glomb. 717 00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,842 "Andy, they were here, they believed everything 718 00:49:36,926 --> 00:49:41,472 I told them about winning the ticket on that People Magazine." 719 00:49:41,555 --> 00:49:44,225 "And I was telling them I did this, and I did that." 720 00:49:44,392 --> 00:49:48,062 And at the very same time I'm on my cell phone 721 00:49:48,229 --> 00:49:52,983 talking to Doug Matthews and telling him, "Listen to this." 722 00:49:53,067 --> 00:49:57,947 The feeling from him on the phone call was "Man, I got them snowed," 723 00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:03,035 it was that, l mean, it was perfect, exactly what you're after. 724 00:50:03,202 --> 00:50:05,162 He's talking, "Man, you're not gonna believe it. 725 00:50:05,246 --> 00:50:08,124 This director asked me about the name of my boat. 726 00:50:08,207 --> 00:50:10,000 I said 'Ruthless Scoundrel."' 727 00:50:10,167 --> 00:50:14,714 And they're just laughing on the phone how funny that was to them 728 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,009 because they knew they had lied and had stolen this money from McDonald's. 729 00:50:19,176 --> 00:50:22,805 In that call effectively what he's doing is confirming 730 00:50:22,972 --> 00:50:26,726 beyond any doubt that he didn't win it. 731 00:50:29,979 --> 00:50:33,649 It just doesn't get any better than that. It's like high fives. 732 00:50:33,733 --> 00:50:36,610 That was why you get up on these wiretaps. 733 00:50:36,777 --> 00:50:38,487 So we're hearing how they did it. 734 00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,619 At the time, we didn't know how big this was. 735 00:50:45,703 --> 00:50:48,372 We knew of some, but we didn't know it all. 736 00:50:48,456 --> 00:50:52,001 It was amazing to me how little we did know. 737 00:51:06,891 --> 00:51:09,477 The spider web of all, 738 00:51:09,643 --> 00:51:13,314 we had this Uncle Jerry, everything was very general, nebulous. 739 00:51:13,397 --> 00:51:16,275 We still didn't know, you got to remember, 740 00:51:16,442 --> 00:51:20,362 who this Jerry person was, if there even was a Jerry. 741 00:51:20,446 --> 00:51:24,992 So, all of the newer agents, we were on the wiretaps to find out more 742 00:51:25,075 --> 00:51:27,453 about the depths of this scheme. 743 00:51:27,536 --> 00:51:30,080 Back then I was a new agent 744 00:51:30,247 --> 00:51:34,627 and my first assignment when I was brought in was to work the wire. 745 00:51:35,461 --> 00:51:38,464 My Title III has to be monitored full time, 24/7. 746 00:51:38,547 --> 00:51:43,093 You hear the call, grab your headset, you put it on, you listen to the call. 747 00:51:43,177 --> 00:51:45,346 We're listening in the wire room 748 00:51:45,512 --> 00:51:49,683 and I'm hearing the name Uncle Jerry thrown around on the phone. 749 00:51:49,767 --> 00:51:55,105 "Uncle Jerry, Uncle Jerry. You don't wanna make Uncle Jerry upset." 750 00:51:55,189 --> 00:51:59,401 I do remember clearly feeling like I was in New York 751 00:51:59,485 --> 00:52:03,781 and I was listening to a mobster talking about running his mafia empire, 752 00:52:03,864 --> 00:52:07,493 some mafia don, because that's kind of how this guy came off. 753 00:52:09,036 --> 00:52:13,207 So we had to find Uncle Jerry. I mean, how do you do that? 754 00:52:19,922 --> 00:52:25,719 We did an analysis of phone records from past winners. 755 00:52:25,803 --> 00:52:28,055 You look for that common number. 756 00:52:28,222 --> 00:52:31,016 We knew when they won the prizes, what year, 757 00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:36,689 and we could cord it off to a month so we backed up to and went forward to. 758 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:46,448 We culled the phone numbers coming in and going out for this period of time. 759 00:52:50,536 --> 00:52:54,915 Lo and behold, each of their phone numbers were calling common numbers. 760 00:52:55,082 --> 00:52:58,794 We saw the activity heavy coming in 761 00:52:58,877 --> 00:53:02,589 right before the prize was awarded or claimed, 762 00:53:02,673 --> 00:53:05,300 and then heavy right after it, and then nothing. 763 00:53:05,384 --> 00:53:08,554 And then none of them were related, they didn't know each other. 764 00:53:08,637 --> 00:53:10,889 All were hitting that number. 765 00:53:18,188 --> 00:53:21,734 All these phone calls include one person. 766 00:53:23,652 --> 00:53:28,240 Jerome Jacobson, also known as 767 00:53:28,323 --> 00:53:33,662 Jerry Jacobson, the absolute head of security for Simon Marketing. 70220

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