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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:50,896 I'll give you a boost if you want. 2 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,114 I don't need your help. 3 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:54,078 Ooh. Hell, she got you, buddy. 4 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,477 Toss them beers. Here you go. 5 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,831 You got it? Okay, let's go! 6 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,394 All right. All right. 7 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:03,228 Hold up, hold up! The beer. 8 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,867 Take this. Take this. Come on. 9 00:02:06,959 --> 00:02:07,959 These damn shoes! 10 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,633 Whoo! Come on in, it's warm! Come on, buddy! 11 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,114 Look, you can even wash your hair! 12 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:34,359 I washed mine last month. 13 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,158 Whoo! 14 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,831 Laura, Keith, come here! Look what I found. 15 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:47,975 - Holy shit. - What the hell's that? 16 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,591 - What is it? - The hell you doing? 17 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,872 Get out of here, now! 18 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,116 Geez! Come on! 19 00:02:58,159 --> 00:02:59,718 Goddamn kids. 20 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:18,592 Turn off the beam, fool! 21 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,358 Steve from Dow, Ted from Union Carbide... 22 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,677 Jerry from Exxon and Andy from Allied. 23 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,511 Welcome to Taft Law, gentlemen. 24 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,279 Before we get started, a little housekeeping. 25 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,237 Um, all of you know this young man 26 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:44,470 as the dedicated Taft associate 27 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,312 who for the past eight years has 28 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,350 buried himself in the Superfund law. 29 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,959 I'm not paying for that cleanup. 30 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:53,713 Still it is my pleasure to share with you 31 00:04:54,159 --> 00:04:57,310 thatjust last week, Rob Bilott was welcomed as a partner 32 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:00,237 here at Taft, Stettinius & Hollister. 33 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,869 Good morning. Taft Law. One moment. l'll connect you. 34 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,553 Good morning. Taft Law. 35 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,560 One moment, please. 36 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,033 It's the Governor's office calling for uh, 37 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,874 calling for Mr. Burke. 38 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,040 May I help you? 39 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:27,355 Wilbur Tennant calling on Robbie Bilott. 40 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:29,956 EPA has saddled them with the whole bill 41 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,031 and given your client's history at that site, 42 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,711 that's a real possibility. 43 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,158 I'll take it back to them. Good. Tab 12, Middletown... 44 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:40,470 I know. I'm sorry. 45 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:43,110 But they won't leave. Who's they? 46 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,149 I don't know. They say they know you. 47 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:53,307 Um... Robert Bilott? 48 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,228 Um, yes. 49 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:00,632 They call it a landfill. A dump's what it is. 50 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:03,879 They told my brother and me no chemicals, just trash. 51 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:05,187 Butwe ain't stupid. 52 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,033 I made them videotapes myself. All the proof you need. 53 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,000 They're poisonin' the creek, killing my animals. 54 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:12,115 I'm in the middle of a meeting. So, lwant a lawyer. 55 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:14,838 Every damn one in Parkersburg's too yella to take my case. 56 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,637 Rob. He wants you back in there. 57 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,550 They all scared shitless at DuPont. 58 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:19,879 Well, I ain't scared of nobody. 59 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:21,552 Okay. Kathleen is my paralegal. 60 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:23,755 She's gonna give you a directory of lawyers. 61 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,273 That's why I called your grandma. 62 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,555 What? My neighbor who tells me, 63 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:30,788 call Alma White. 64 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,471 Her grandson's some fancy environment lawyer down in Cincinnati. 65 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,115 Sir, lam a corporate defense attorney. 66 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,028 So? I defend chemical companies. 67 00:06:46,159 --> 00:06:48,992 Well, now you can defend me. Rob! 68 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,237 Uh, 30 seconds, Tom. 69 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,110 Uh, I'm sorry, Mr... Tennant 70 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,237 I can offer you a referral. 71 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,197 But I just don't see how I can be of any help to you. 72 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,396 You can start by watching them tapes for one thing. 73 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,959 Oh, let's go, Earl. 74 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:06,877 I'm sorry. I... I wish you all the luck. 75 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:08,240 I don't need your damn luck, boy! 76 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,632 - I need your help! - Rob! 77 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,154 Come on. 78 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,396 I'm not arguing with the overall analysis. 79 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,552 My only point is that whatever we decide upon... 80 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Thank you, gentlemen. 81 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:37,079 Do you know where we're going? 82 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,672 There's a place right around the corner. 83 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,836 Yeah? What the hell was that all about? 84 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:45,427 He knows my grandmother. Really? 85 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,870 Well, my mom's from West Virginia. 86 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:49,836 Uh, from a town, Parkersburg. 87 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:52,754 Not us. My... my father was Air Force. 88 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,033 We... We moved around a lot, 89 00:07:54,159 --> 00:07:55,375 but we spent the summers there. 90 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:57,629 Come on, Terp. You're buying. Of course I am. 91 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:01,230 You can be from West Virginia, Rob. 92 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,512 I won't tell anyone. 93 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:11,389 All right, gentlemen. Morton's it is. 94 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:15,509 Still deigned to eat with us lowly associates? 95 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,752 You can't drive an American car. 96 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,992 Taft-Hartley, union busting? 97 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:25,752 We practically invented it. 98 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,035 "We?" 99 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,951 Besides, I know a highly esteemed partner 100 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,108 who still drives American. 101 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:31,519 Some real clunkers too. Okay, 102 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,351 yeah, buthe collects them. 103 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:35,158 That's different. Like his 104 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,719 no-name college and law school. 105 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:38,015 No offense. Are you listening to this? 106 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,393 Hey, you guys go ahead, all right? 107 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,394 Look, I didn't mean anything by it. No. I gotta make a call. 108 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,536 It's all right. I'll see you there. 109 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,959 Okay, we'll save you a fish log. 110 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:50,034 You can be such an asshole. Karla, itwas ajoke. 111 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,913 - Yeah. - We always joke. 112 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,831 Oh, yeah. You guys are a couple ofjokesters. 113 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,272 You�fve reached the residence of Alma White. 114 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:08,636 I can't come to the phone right now... 115 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,028 He's good. He's home early tonight actually. 116 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,030 Tell him I said, howdy, partner. 117 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,629 She says, "Howdy, partner." 118 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,798 Are we ever gonna see him again on Sundays? 119 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:20,916 Yes, he can still come to Sunday dinners, Mom. 120 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,149 He's a partner, not the President of the United States. 121 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,037 I wanna make... Do you have my Bundt pan? 122 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,120 Returned it. 123 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,296 Where? I looked under the counter. 124 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,674 It's the right hand cupboard, in the plastic. Yeah. 125 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,552 Okay, well, we just sat down. 126 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:33,639 All right, dear. 127 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:34,828 So, I gotta go. 128 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:35,919 Love to Rob and Teddy. 129 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,519 All right, see you Sunday. Love to Dad. 130 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:38,559 Talk to you later. 131 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,975 Can you pretend to be surprised about the cake? 132 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,318 She wants it to be very special. 133 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,230 Oh, and the granite samples came in. 134 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,855 Can you pick them up on your way home tomorrow? 135 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:47,312 Mmm. Rob? 136 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,715 Hmm? Uh, sure. 137 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:56,634 You okay? 138 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,080 Yes. 139 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,399 Bless us, our Lord and thy gifts 140 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,176 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 141 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,399 through Christ our Lord. Amen. 142 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,551 Thank you, God. Thank you for our family. 143 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Thank you. 144 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:50,191 Hi, Grammers. What on earth! 145 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,015 I tried to call, but you weren't picking up. 146 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:57,429 Oh, well, you know me. My two fake knees. 147 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:00,750 What are you doing here? 148 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,751 A farmer came to see me. 149 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,474 Wilbur Tennant? 150 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,187 You do know him. 151 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:14,351 I don't socialize with him, if that's what you mean. 152 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,712 Inez Graham owned the farm next to his. 153 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,072 used to take you and Beth over there when you were little. 154 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,269 That's the place? 155 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:39,315 Hmm. 156 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,837 You rode that pony. Ah! 157 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:45,918 I loved that place. 158 00:12:47,159 --> 00:12:49,150 Saw a cow for the first time. 159 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,115 Learned to milk it. 160 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,717 I remember you sittin' there for hours 161 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:56,268 making sure you got every last drop. 162 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:57,948 Just like you. 163 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:00,794 There. 164 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:02,679 Hmm. 165 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,474 So you gonna help him? 166 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Huh? 167 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:58,629 You come up the holler, dump's up the hill. 168 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:04,070 Since I started complaining about my creek, 169 00:14:04,159 --> 00:14:06,548 fence goes up. All blocked off. 170 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:13,833 Hi, I'm Rob. 171 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Sandra. 172 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:21,198 The State, any veterinarian I've called in Parkersburg, 173 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,509 they will not return my phone calls. 174 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,192 Like I bite the hand that feeds. 175 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,399 No, it's all right. I've already... This here's a gall. 176 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:30,255 Look at the size of it. Ain't never seen 177 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:31,998 no gall that big. Bigger than the heart. 178 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,394 That your cows'? 179 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,595 Look at them teeth. 180 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:40,509 Black as night. Here. 181 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,707 Hoof, all turned in on itself. 182 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:48,790 Half my calves born with hooves like that. 183 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:54,595 Tumor, I done cut off the back a heifer. 184 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,272 How'd ya like that on your table? 185 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:02,197 What am I looking for? 186 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:04,508 You blind, boy? 187 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,913 Stones as white as the hairs on my head. 188 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,514 Bleached! That's chemicals, I'm telling ya. 189 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,231 My animals drink this water. Cool off in �eer. 190 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,673 Get them bloody welts, them dead eyes. 191 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:21,750 Charge at me, crazy-like. 192 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,875 Animals that used to eat out of my own hand. 193 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:30,548 Where are the rest of them? 194 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:33,588 Come on. 195 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,431 Beginnin�f, l�fd bury �eem. Each one. They're family. 196 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,197 It got to be so many, pile �eem up, set fire to... 197 00:15:57,679 --> 00:15:59,875 How many did you lose? 198 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:02,953 190. 199 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:06,676 190 cows? 200 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:08,671 You tell me nothing�fs wrong here. 201 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:19,869 And this landfill wasn�ft always here? 202 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,990 No. My brother Jim used to dig ditches over at the DuPont plant. 203 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,595 Got sick, couldn't do it no more. 204 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,912 One day they come to him, offering to buy his land right up that holler. 205 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,191 They promised no chemicals. 206 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,038 And I assume you reached out to DuPont? 207 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,996 DuPont, the State, the Feds. 208 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,434 I called everybody there is dozens of times. 209 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:44,594 EPA finally comes out here. Oh, they did. 210 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,592 All for some report. What did it say? 211 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:49,399 You think they're gonna show me? 212 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:16,429 Okay. 213 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,872 He�fs been like this all day. Okay. Go on. 214 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,990 Of course, you're a perfect angel for Daddy. 215 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,155 Did you get the tile? Um, I�fm sorry. No. 216 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,469 Rob. 217 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,352 I didn't drive into town today. I�fm sorry. 218 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:47,470 What do you mean you didn't drive into town? 219 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,552 I had to go to Parkersburg. 220 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,275 Parkersburg? Why�fd you have to go to Parkersburg? 221 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,631 I may have a client there. 222 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,517 In West Virginia? What kind of a case would you have? 223 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:04,432 He�fs a farmer. He knows my Grammer. Not well, but... 224 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,073 So, you saw her? Was your mother there? 225 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,435 Oh, come on, Sarah. I didn't sneak off to see my mother. 226 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,669 So, why did you sneak off? I didn't. 227 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,955 Our speaker tonight�fs no stranger to the Taft family. 228 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,758 Phillip Donnelly, Phil to us, 229 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,873 serves as in-house Corporate Counsel at DuPont. 230 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,355 Not only one of America�fs most revered chemical companies, 231 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:36,951 but one ofthe few giants of the industry 232 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,237 that Taft doesn�ft represent. Not yet anyway! 233 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:42,910 That�fs the spirit, James. 234 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,669 We asked Phil here tonight, not just to show him what he�fs missing, 235 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:51,270 but to hear how a renowned leader of our industry 236 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,798 stays that way. Please welcome Phil Donnelly. 237 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:01,390 Wish me luck. Go get �eem, Phil! 238 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,480 Thank you. 239 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:06,075 At DuPont, we�fre not producing chemicals for chemical�fs sake. 240 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,877 We�fre producing them for people�fs sake. 241 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,515 To make folks�f lives easier. 242 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,069 Happier, longer. 243 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,597 That�fs why better living through chemistry 244 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,476 is not just a slogan at DuPont. 245 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,672 It�fs our DNA. 246 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:31,590 Hey, Rob. Hello, Phil. 247 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,075 Is it true what Tom tells me? Yeah, it�fs true. 248 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,441 Well, good on them. They're lucky to have you. Thanks, PhH. 249 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,471 Like I always tell my younger associates, 250 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,789 just keep your head down and do the work. 251 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,031 Thanks. Uh, Phil, can I ask you sort of an odd question? 252 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:46,473 Shoot 253 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,153 Does the name Wilbur Tennant ring a bell? 254 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,230 Tennet, did you say? Tennant 255 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:54,078 No. Not that I recall. 256 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,753 Mr. Tennant�fs a farmer from West Virginia. 257 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,076 His property abuts one of your landfills, Dry Run. 258 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,832 And his cows have been getting sick. 259 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,992 He thinks possibly because of the runoff from the landfill into his creek. 260 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:07,832 You're kidding me. How did this come to you? 261 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,070 Hey, Phil! He�fs a farmer. He�fs... 262 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:14,076 My grandmother�fs from Parkersburg. 263 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,230 Really? Washington Works. Great plant. 264 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,867 Right. She knows the Tennants. So Grandma�fs on your back? 265 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,711 Something like that. Anyway, uh... 266 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,555 The farmer said the EPA came out, took a look around. I wondered... 267 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,596 The name of the landfill again? Dry Run. 268 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:29,718 Dry Run. Dry... 269 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:32,096 You know, that does ring a bell, now that you mention it. 270 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,951 We may have even sent some folks out there. 271 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,155 If I remember correctly, help EPA check it out. 272 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,471 That�fs gotta be it. So, I�fd love to share whatever came of that 273 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:41,596 with Mr. Tennant. Help settle his nerves. 274 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,512 Absolutely. Soon as I�fm back in Wilmington, I�fll take a look. 275 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,478 Thanks, PhH. I really appreciate it. Happy to do it. 276 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:50,955 Now, let�fs get a drink and toast you, my friend. You. 277 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,035 Okay. 278 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,473 Mr. Tennant! 279 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,038 Mr. Tennant, I have the report. 280 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,396 Sons of bitches! Who the hell they think they are? 281 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,191 Who gives them the right? It�fs an evaluation. 282 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,077 Evalu, Hatchet job�fs what it is. 283 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:28,230 I been farming my entire life. Entire life! 284 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,557 You read that. You tell me you recognize my farm. 285 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,073 Mr. Tennant... Read it! 286 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,993 "The herd health investigation revealed 287 00:21:39,079 --> 00:21:41,388 "deficiency in herd management. 288 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,673 "Including poor nutrition, 289 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:49,871 "inadequate veterinary care and lack of fly control." 290 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,677 You see any flies here? 291 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:53,868 It�fs snowing. 292 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,349 Can�ft stop making excuses for �eem, can you? 293 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,952 It could be pests. They consulted a vet. 294 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,791 Whose vet? DuPont? 295 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,828 Look at yourself. Swallowin�f whole, whatever they been feeding ya. 296 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,147 Can�ft tell truth from lie. 297 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,079 You even watch them tapes I gave you? 298 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,356 Sir, lam trying to help! Quiet. 299 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,473 Trying to help. Stop movin�f. 300 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,509 Easy, now. Easy. 301 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,474 Get in. Slow. 302 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,193 Forgive me, girl. 303 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:31,038 Jesus. 304 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,797 Need something to warm you up right about now? 305 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,550 Well, how about this? 306 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,955 Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River 307 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,308 Life is old there, older than the trees 308 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,468 Younger than the mountains Blowing like the breeze 309 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,038 Country roads, take me home 310 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,118 To the place... 311 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,153 I belong 312 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,999 West Virginia... 313 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,873 mountain mama 314 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,316 Take me home... 315 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,469 this cow�fs eyes are cloudy with pink eyes is what they�fll call it. 316 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,148 Anyway, her eyes are sunk way back in her head. 317 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,030 She�fs poor as a whippoorwill. 318 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:35,435 And I�fm gonna cut her open and find out what caused her to die. 319 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,957 Because I was feeding her enough feed... 320 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,394 that she should've gained weight instead of losin�f weight. 321 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,077 This is what her teeth looks like. 322 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,671 That�fs the upper one. 323 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:52,435 But this one here, I�fve never seen anything like it in my lifetime. 324 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:55,240 Even the veterinarian, he admitted... 325 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:58,868 he never saw anything like this before in his life either. 326 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:13,310 So, what are you proposing we do? 327 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,996 File a claim, trigger discovery and find out what�fs in that landfill. 328 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,996 You wanna sue DuPont? Targeted. 329 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,714 Property dispute. Routine stuff. Not routine. Not around here. 330 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,359 I know, but, Tom, ifyou�fd actually seen it. 331 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,552 His farm is like a graveyard. There�fs something very wrong. 332 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,200 So, he should hire a local lawyer. 333 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:38,117 None of them will do it. They're all terrified of DuPont. 334 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,430 Well, what does that tell you? We know DuPont. 335 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,712 They're gonna wanna hear 336 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,472 if some of their local guys are screwing something up. 337 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,551 Oh, so they're gonna thank us for suing. 338 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,198 Better us than the EPA. 339 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,953 I mean, new partners are supposed to bring in business, right? 340 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,429 So, your farmer can swing 275 an hour? 341 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,431 It�fd be on contingency. 342 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:01,076 Jesus. What are we, coupon chasers now? 343 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,913 It�fs a small matter for a family friend. I�fll get in anlelgetout 344 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,669 Help a guy that needs it. Who? The farmer or you? 345 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,030 Surgical. You hear me? 346 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,439 Absolutely. Thank you. 347 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,792 Even though, I was, I admit, a little surprised. 348 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,275 Imean, getting sued by Taft Law. 349 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,838 It�fs not every day. Or any day, frankly. 350 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,318 I know. I�fm sorry. 351 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,914 Look, you and l are friends. This is a minor issue. 352 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,194 No reason it should get messy. 353 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:59,114 Thank you. I totally agree. Yeah, I�fm putting you on speaker phone. 354 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,431 So, you wanna know if we violated our permits. 355 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,755 Pretty much, yeah. 356 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,038 Okay, then. I�fll have our guys send over anything... 357 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,429 related to hazardous wastes at Dry Run. 358 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,671 And I�fll tell them to hurry it up this time. How�fs that? 359 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:18,308 Thank you. That sounds great. And don't stress. I forgive you. 360 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,749 Thanks, PhH. 361 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,318 You took your baby into the office? 362 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,471 I needed a bigger trunk. Why? 363 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,587 Discovery for the Tennant case came in today. 364 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,673 Oh. Oh, you started before me. You're so fast! Whoa. 365 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:56,557 Good boy. 366 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,550 Rob�fs missing such a lovely day. 367 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,671 Law�fs a jealous mistress, Mom. Means it comes with the territory. 368 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,118 Let�fs go over here! 369 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,352 Nice! Thank you! That�fs what I�fm talking about right there. 370 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,240 All right. Let�fs go. One more. One more. All right. 371 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,315 Poly... 372 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,628 Is that... 373 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,952 No. 374 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,157 How�fs my favorite plaintiff�fs attorney? Hey, help me out, will ya? 375 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,634 You're a run of a mill dump, nothing but trash. 376 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:07,313 You sound like my first girlfriend. 377 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,674 Conspiracy. Standard size drums. 378 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:20,788 Ash, ash-byproduct, glass tubing, plastic, paper waste. It�fs just trash. 379 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,877 You pile it onto a truck, drive it away. You don't pack it into drums. 380 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,355 So, they�fve got liquid waste. Not hazardous. 381 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,150 Or they�fd have to disclose it. So, what is killing these cows? 382 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,753 It�fs not paper and ash. Well, maybe it�fs human error. 383 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,240 They're dumping something in there they don't know is toxic. 384 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,598 Kim, it�fs DuPont. They know more than the EPA does. 385 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:41,671 Everyone knows more than the EPA does. 386 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,796 Why else would they let us regulate ourselves? 387 00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:48,873 What? Do we? 388 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:50,512 Do we what? 389 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,872 The EPA only started regulating chemicals in �e76. 390 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,028 Yeah? 391 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,669 They grandfather in every existing chemical, non-hazardous, 392 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,719 unless they knew it was hazardous or a company told them itwas. 393 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,512 We�fre saying the same thing. No, we�fre not. I�fm saying 394 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,115 what if a company didn't tell? 395 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,511 What if 396 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,394 the reason Phil Donnelly agreed to discovery on hazardous 397 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,112 is because he knows 398 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,832 whatever�fs in that landfill isn�ft even regulated? 399 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,952 Okay, now you are sounding like a plaintiff�fs attorney. 400 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,153 I�fve got a meeting. Hey, oh, wait, one second. 401 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,188 Have you heard of this, um, PFOA? 402 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:35,234 No. 403 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,715 You know, it�fs mentioned here, but I can�ft find anything about it 404 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,268 in any of the literature. I don't even know if it�fs a chemical. 405 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,876 Ask Phil. Well, thank you. 406 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,159 As I said, Mr. Donnelly is still out of town. 407 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,914 I called last week and left two messages and haven�ft heard back from him. 408 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,839 I�fll be sure to tell him that you called again. 409 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,592 Okay. Damn it. 410 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,314 Your tickets to the Chemical Alliance dinner. Argh... 411 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,478 And, no, dark suit is not the same as black tie. 412 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:05,108 Wouldn't he be going? 413 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,030 I don't know if Rob told you, but I was a receptionist at Taft 414 00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:40,633 before law school. Is that right? 415 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,675 Butwell, I think the right Bilott ended up there. 416 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:44,432 Harold, you're not getting away from me. 417 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,396 Would you excuse me? Sure, itwas... 418 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,835 It�fs great to see you. VVhenisthe�h. 419 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,875 That�fs funny. 420 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,358 Right away, I saw a little of myself in Rob. 421 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,635 Oh! One black sheep to another. 422 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,108 My dad was a steel worker, you know. Was he? 423 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,191 Have you seen Phil? 424 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,232 No. 425 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,910 So, you're an attorney? Oh, recovering. 426 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,667 I represented employers in workmen�fs comp disputes. 427 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,035 But now, I stay at home with our baby. 428 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,920 Well, that�fs the thing with lady lawyers. 429 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,215 I wanna say hi to the Dow folks. Have you seen them? 430 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,673 No, I�fve been looking for Phil. 431 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:20,240 Did I tell you they sent me some work? 432 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,789 Dow? That�fs great! Just a small project. Like a try-out. 433 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,155 But if! impress them, can you imagine if! brought on Dow? 434 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,799 None for me, thank you. 435 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,914 You're not... 436 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:35,079 I'm, uh... 437 00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,270 You're... She's... 438 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:39,998 I'm... 439 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:42,952 I'm gonna wait as long as I can to tell the firm. Obviously. 440 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,637 Would you excuse us for a moment? 441 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,789 These lady lawyers need a quick sidebar. 442 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,272 Of course. No. No. 443 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,480 He signs your paycheck. Be nice to him. Don't leave me. 444 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,388 Congratulations. I know. I can't believe it. 445 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:02,388 Excuse me. 446 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:13,347 Rob, how are you? 447 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,815 Phil, I've been trying to reach you. 448 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,735 So sorry, all this traveling. How about I give you a shout tomorrow? 449 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,615 We're gonna need to broaden discovery to everything 450 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,391 in that landfill, hazardous or not. 451 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:25,594 Excuse me. 452 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,079 You kidding me? 453 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,159 No. 454 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,835 I think whatever's causing the problems in there 455 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,992 isn't something the EPA regulates or knows to regulate. 456 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:38,599 Sorry? 457 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,030 I'm seeing things in your documents I don't understand. 458 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,320 You're seeing ghosts, is what you're seeing, and frankly, 459 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,753 you're making an ass of yourself. 460 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,512 Okay, then, help me out. 461 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:48,827 I mean, like this. 462 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,150 I mean, what is this PFOA? 463 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,512 What's that stand for? 464 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,634 Jesus. 465 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,994 You're on a goddamn fishing expedition. 466 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,108 You wanna flush your career down the toilet 467 00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:04,235 for some cowhand? 468 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,878 Be my guest. I'm done helping you. 469 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,427 Phil, I need to insist on broadening discovery. 470 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,795 Sue me! Uh... 471 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,954 I'm already suing you. 472 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:13,233 Welcome, everyone, 473 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,789 to the 14th Annual Ohio Chemical Alliance... 474 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,472 Fuck you! Awards dinner. 475 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,514 Hick! 476 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,992 So, let�fs get the fun started! 477 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,512 I'm sorry. 478 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,556 You're not the only one who's sacrificed. 479 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,076 Ljust hope you know what you're doing. 480 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,976 You know the difference between business and pleasure, right? 481 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,628 So, why on earth would you engage in business conversations 482 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,630 - at a public function? - Tom! 483 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,954 He's hiding something. You saw his reaction. 484 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:21,836 Yeah, me and everyone in that room. 485 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,797 Taft in a pissing match with DuPont. 486 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,791 I am gonna get a court order and force them 487 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,255 to tell me everything that's in that landfill. 488 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,588 Jesus Christ! Now you wanna actually take them to court. 489 00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,715 And I'm gonna need local counsel in West Virginia. 490 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,391 What happened to routine stuff? 491 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,356 Ask Phil Donnelly. God! 492 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,507 Of course, I remember you. 493 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,114 Yeah, last time I saw you, Ithink Phil Donnelly was 494 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,474 trying to get you to go out on the links with us. 495 00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:44,594 Yeah. 496 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,548 You what? 497 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,713 Sir. Thank you. 498 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,034 Good morning. 499 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:15,958 Good morning, Larry. Morning. 500 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,800 Morning, Miss Claire. 501 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:26,751 Don't you look nice. 502 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,239 Save it for the judge, Mr. Winter. 503 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:34,987 You're suing DuPont. 504 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,074 Yes, ma'am. 505 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,472 You represent DuPont. 506 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:41,559 My old firm did. 507 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:43,960 I've been out on my own for a while. 508 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:46,907 Good luck with that. 509 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,835 Just wanted to let you know personally 510 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,275 that your court-ordered discovery is on the way. 511 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,952 Thanks, PhH. 512 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,110 No, it's my pleasure. 513 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,509 Discovery. 514 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,998 Son of a bitch. 515 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,434 No admission of liability. 516 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,958 And non... 517 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,833 Non-disclosure of any and all terms. 518 00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,755 Pardon me a moment. 519 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,233 Thanks. 520 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,956 Holy Jesus! 521 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,318 What in the... Thanks. 522 00:38:58,159 --> 00:38:59,353 World? 523 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,550 Lguessthe joke's on me. 524 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:02,639 Yeah. 525 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,936 No one can go through all this crap. Not in a million years. 526 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they're banking on. 527 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,755 Oh, God! Damn it! Oh, God, Rob! 528 00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,231 Here, let me... No, no, no, you shouldn't be around this stuff. 529 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,275 Yeah. 530 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,835 Good luck. 531 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,793 1957. 532 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,351 Hey, Sally, what is the hold up back here? 533 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:03,800 Hey, Bobby. How you... What're you having? 534 00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:07,039 UsuaL 535 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,557 Eggs over bacon and grits. 536 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:13,228 Same. 537 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,155 I need two over, grits, fried. 538 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,954 WlLBUR: Wilbur Tennant. 539 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,429 - He's not in his office. - Can I take a message? 540 00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,034 I been leaving messages. I know, Mr. Tennant, 541 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,190 but he really can't get to the phone right now. 542 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,599 I want service! 543 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,400 I'll let him know that you called again. For Christ's sakes. 544 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,313 Is she getting accustomed to being at Mom and Dad's? 545 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,157 You know Grammer. She misses her own house. 546 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,673 What? She misses her own house. 547 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,032 I have a bad cell. 548 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,394 I said Grammer misses her own house. 549 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,913 Okay, can you... 550 00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,634 Can I talk to her? 551 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,000 She and Mom are at the doctor's. 552 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,353 Will you tell Grammers lcaHed? Rob, you're breaking up. 553 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,509 And Mom too? 554 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,157 Let�fs try again on Sunday. All right. 555 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,188 IIC_8-ll 556 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,795 You know you look like a crazy person, right? 557 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,235 What was the name of that guy that you brought by the... 558 00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,989 What guy? The chemistry expert. 559 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,876 The guy who does the models. Gillespie. 560 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:38,039 Here you go. 561 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:40,039 Thank you. 562 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,231 Kim Burke had an expense account. 563 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,032 Are you familiar with something called PFOA? 564 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:52,755 No. 565 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,793 No. No. 566 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,990 I did read something recently about a PFOS, I think itwas. 567 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,077 That sounds related. And what was that? 568 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,677 Long-chain fluorocarbon, synthetic. 569 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,076 I'm sorry. Chemistry was my worst class in high school. 570 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,512 Boy, you in the wrong line of work. 571 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,954 Tell me about it. So? 572 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,833 So, synthetic. All right? Man-made. 573 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,034 Frankenstein. 574 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,909 And? 575 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,713 Long-chain fluorocarbon is a sequence of carbon atoms, add a fluoride. 576 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,753 All right. In the lab you take a carbon atom... Mmm-hmm. 577 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:39,559 And then another 578 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,038 and another... Look. 579 00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,358 You're making a chain. Right? 580 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,231 Right? Could it be... 581 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,115 Eight? Eight carbons? 582 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,760 Well, sure. Yeah, In the lab you can do almost anything. 583 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,677 And why would you want to? Make this, I mean. 584 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,394 Well, a chain like that's pretty much unbreakable, biochemically speaking. 585 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,391 So, uh, industrial uses, I imagine. 586 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,639 3M made it. 587 00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,230 They don't anymore. That's what I read. 588 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,320 Why did they stop? Didn't say. 589 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,800 What if... 590 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,952 What if you drank it? 591 00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:27,599 Drank it? 592 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,237 You don't. Well, what if you did? 593 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,916 Ready to order? Yeah, Ithink I'd like a... 594 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,188 But what if you did? 595 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:39,074 That's like saying, "What if I swallowed a tire?" 596 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,108 I don't know. You wanna be the guy that finds out? 597 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,800 Tuna melt. 598 00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:10,188 Let us all begin with hymn number 452 in our hymnal books. 599 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,237 "Here lAm, Lord." Please rise. 600 00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:21,036 L, the Lord of sea and sky 601 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:25,556 l have heard my people cry 602 00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:30,271 All who dwell in deepest sin 603 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,235 My hand will save 604 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,753 Does it makes sounds? 605 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,193 Asteroid ahead. 606 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,313 You hold like that. 607 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,550 Are you ready to blast off? 608 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,757 I'm taking off that. 609 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:32,992 You said it had fluoride? 610 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,391 What? Mr. Bilott, it's Sunday. 611 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,193 That chemical, you said it had a fluoride atom. 612 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,751 It's a fluorocarbon, so, yes. Somewhere along the chain... 613 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,195 What would it do to your teeth if you drank it? 614 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,389 Don't tell me ifyou shouldn't, if you did. 615 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,639 Ifyou drank a lot of it, what would it do to your teeth? 616 00:46:52,514 --> 00:46:52,599 Well, in trace amounts fluoride hardens teeth. 617 00:46:52,601 --> 00:46:57,309 But too much, it's gonna stain 'em. lmean, even turn 'em black. 618 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,677 So, can lget back to my family now? 619 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,547 What? Where are you going? 620 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,514 It's in their water. What? What is? 621 00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:48,474 How long's the coughing been? 622 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,713 WlLBUR: Couple... Couple of months. 623 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,239 A year. 624 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,315 - You a smoker? - No. 625 00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,000 Roll up your sleeve. We're gonna take some blood. 626 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,478 Thought you left him inside. I did. 627 00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:24,387 Oh, baby. 628 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:35,199 You move this? 629 00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,159 What? 630 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,594 Did you go through this? No! 631 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,719 They been here. 632 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:48,594 They been here! 633 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,588 What happened? 634 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,400 Wash up. 635 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:31,755 Dad? 636 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:35,554 What is it? Quiet. 637 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,150 WlLBUR: This is my land, damn you! You get out of here! 638 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,954 Go on! 639 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:53,514 Go on! 640 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,074 Sandra, girls, get on! Go on, get in! Get in! 641 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:02,512 I know you! 642 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,875 Rob? 643 00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:45,076 Holy crap, Rob! What? 644 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,958 I thought someone was breaking in, for God's sakes! 645 00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,518 No, it'sjust me. 646 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,679 Rob, you need to tell me what in the hell's going on. 647 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,119 We're being poisoned. 648 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,432 Rob. What? 649 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:04,195 I mean it. DuPont is knowingly poisoning us. 650 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,554 You mean the farmer. His land. 651 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,469 All of us. 652 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,152 Please don't look at me like that. 653 00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:15,431 They're already poisoning the baby. 654 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,793 No. I'm not listening to this. Sarah. 655 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:21,797 Stop it! Just stop it, okay? 656 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,438 Do you hear yourself? You are acting like a crazy person. 657 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:28,512 Tearing up our floor. Scaring me half to death. 658 00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,233 I know it's myjob to support you, but that does not mean 659 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,753 you get to come into our home, to our family 660 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,751 and tell me that our unborn child is being poisoned. No! 661 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,273 I'm sorry. Can I please explain? 662 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,117 Explain what? All of it. 663 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,992 And ifyou still think I'm crazy, I'll drop it. I swear to God. 664 00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:49,873 I swear to you. 665 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,356 There is a man-made chemical 666 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:12,634 that was invented during the Manhattan project. 667 00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:16,148 It repelled the elements, especially water. 668 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,112 So they used it to make the first ever waterproof coating for tanks. 669 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:22,599 It was indestructible. 670 00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:26,753 Then some companies thought, "Hey, whyjust the battlefield? 671 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,719 "Why not bring this chemical into American homes?" 672 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,398 - Rob's here. - All right. Good. 673 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,320 He'll see you now. 674 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,117 DuPont was one of those companies. 675 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,393 So they took this chemical, PF OA. 676 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:46,871 They renamed it C-8. 677 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,518 And they made their own impenetrable coating, 678 00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:53,233 but not for tanks. For pans. 679 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,632 They called it Teflon. 680 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,635 A shining symbol of American ingenuity, 681 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,914 made right here in the USA, 682 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,070 in Parkersburg, West Virginia. 683 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,230 But right from the start, something wasn't right. 684 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,117 The men, and workers who made Teflon 685 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,668 were coming down with nausea, fevers. 686 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,193 DuPont wanted to know why. 687 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,512 So they laced cigarettes with Teflon. 688 00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,114 They told a group of their workers, "Hey, smoke these." 689 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,717 DuPonters did as they were told. 690 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,315 Almost all of those men were hospitalized. 691 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,432 That's 1962. 692 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,958 One year after Teflon launched and already DuPont knew. 693 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,228 The dust, theyjust sent right up the smoke stacks, released into the air. 694 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:47,634 The sludge, tossed it into the Ohio. 695 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,918 Or, uh, packed into drums and chucked it into the Chesapeake. 696 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,869 But then their drums started washing up. 697 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,789 So, DuPont starts digging ditches 698 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,835 on the grounds of the Washington Works plant. 699 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,190 And in those pits, they dumped 700 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,875 thousands of tons of toxic C-8 sludge and dust. 701 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,072 One ofthe men that they hired to dig those ditches 702 00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:11,833 was Wilbur Tennant�fs brother Jim. 703 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,028 But they weren't the only ones covering their tracks. 704 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,309 3M who pioneered these chemicals for Scotchgard, 705 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,798 they were testing them on monkeys. 706 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,753 Most of the monkeys died. 707 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,755 It wasn't like DuPont didn't know that because 708 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,148 they were doing their own tests on rats. 709 00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:30,677 Watched their organs balloon. 710 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,751 Now the rats are getting cancers. 711 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,949 Tested them on pregnant rats and watched them give birth 712 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,355 to pups with deformed eyes. 713 00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:44,277 So, they yanked all the young women off the Teflon line 714 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,034 and never told them why. 715 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,036 Sue Bailey�fs job was scrubbing these huge steel vats 716 00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,157 where they held the liquid C-8. She was pregnant. 717 00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,710 I love you! Would you stop? 718 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,197 She gave birth to a baby with one nostril and a deformed eye. 719 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,829 Remember how DuPont had seen those deformities in the rats? 720 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,597 Oh, God. What about his eyes? 721 00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,230 Blue. Just like all newborns. 722 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,675 But they're normal, the lids, the pupils? 723 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,230 Mr. Bilott, relax. He's perfect. 724 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,190 Hey. Hi, Charlie. 725 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,873 So Sue goes to DuPont. 726 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,679 She says, �hWhy did you pull me off the Teflon line? 727 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:38,110 �hDid C-8 make my baby this way?" "No," they tell her. 728 00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:42,556 Then all of her records from her time at Teflon disappear. 729 00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:47,315 One yearlater, they put all of the women back on Teflon 730 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,159 and never say a thing. 731 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,800 He's here. 732 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:03,751 DuPont knew everything. 733 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,230 They knew that the C-8 they put into the air 734 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,311 and buried into the ground for decades 735 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,072 was causing cancers. 736 00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,914 They knew that their own workers were getting these cancers. 737 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,036 They knew that the consumers too were being exposed 738 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,429 and notjust in Teflon. In paints, 739 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,197 in fabrics, in, uh, raincoats, boots. 740 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,273 To this day... 741 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,478 For 40 years you knew 0-8 was poison. 742 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,949 You knew the "Happy Pan" was a ticking time bomb. 743 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,119 And you knew exactly why. 744 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,510 Because C-8, it stays in us forever. 745 00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,318 Our bodies are incapable of breaking it down. 746 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,192 And knowing all of this, still you did nothing because 747 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,030 doing something, 748 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,878 "would essentially put the long-term viability 749 00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:03,952 "of this product�fs segment on the line." 750 00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:08,994 You were making too much money. 751 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,117 One billion dollars a year just in profits, just in Teflon. 752 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,954 And so you pumped millions more pounds 753 00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:21,237 of toxic C-8 into the air, into the water 754 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,472 so much so you could actually see it foam. 755 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,757 0-8 was everywhere. There was nowhere left for you to contaminate. 756 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,070 And that�fs when they came to Jim. 757 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,355 They knew he was sick and needed the money and they needed his land. 758 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,197 And when they got it, they dug up all the C-8 759 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,157 from every single pit at Washington Works. 760 00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:51,596 Fourteen million pounds of toxic C-8 sludge 761 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,996 and they dumped it, again. This time right up there. 762 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:58,152 Steps from your creek, from your house. 763 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,150 That�fs what your cows have been drinking, Earl. 764 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,715 Put 'em behind bars. 765 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,518 Whole damn lot of 'em, right in jail. 766 01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:12,032 I understand, believe me. 767 01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,112 But this is a civil case. The most we can hope for is damages. 768 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,233 Don't want no money! Whole damn world need... 769 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,592 Needs to see what they done. You're right. They should. 770 01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,753 And it kills me that they won�ft. 771 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,393 But that would mean going to trial 772 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,949 and proving that C-8 killed your cows. 773 01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,679 And every scientist who knows anything about any of this 774 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,831 already works for these chemical companies. 775 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,393 That�fs not an accident, Earl. 776 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,159 Earl, these companies, they have all the money all the time, 777 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:53,672 and they�fll use it. Trust me. 778 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,552 I know. I was one of them. 779 01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:59,429 You're still one of 'em. 780 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,838 You can�ft be serious. You know what I put on the line here? 781 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,150 You want a prize? Some medal �ecause for once in your life 782 01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,673 you took the side of the little guy? 783 01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:16,311 Sorry, no prize. All you get is your share of this blood money. 784 01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:19,472 And you sleep real good tonight. Talk to your family. 785 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,150 It ain�ftjust my cows was poisoned. 786 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,429 What do you think I fed my family on? 787 01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,757 Wilbur, please. 788 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,510 Leave this place! 789 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,594 Start over. Give your family a fighting chance! 790 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,751 Too late for that. 791 01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:44,034 We got it, Sandra and me. The cancer. 792 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,751 Surprise, surprise. 793 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,512 In here. 794 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,356 How�fd it go? 795 01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:56,748 What�fs wrong? 796 01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,079 Rob? 797 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:00,920 Rob, what is it? 798 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,552 What happened? What happened? 799 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,190 Oh, honey, honey, honey. 800 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,349 You saw a man hurting and 801 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,474 you did the Christian thing. You helped him. 802 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:24,396 How? How? Either he dies penniless 803 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,518 or he lets DuPont just keep pillaging his community. 804 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:28,998 How is that helping? 805 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,351 Gotta get some sleep. 806 01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:50,038 I can�ft believe a freaking case settlement could shut this up. 807 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,358 Have you read their confidentiality agreements? 808 01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:58,878 You�fve uncovered a threat to the public. 809 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,710 This goes beyond lawyering. 810 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,074 Thats�h. That�fs all I know is lawyering. 811 01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:06,434 Fine. Then be the lawyer. 812 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,472 You know DuPont better than anyone. 813 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:09,867 What haven�ft they thought of? 814 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,795 God. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 815 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,280 What is that? 816 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,193 Uh, a memo and 136 exhibits. 817 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,030 Wil, Sandra, this is your copy. 818 01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:15,355 The EPA announced a public hearing into this family of chemicals 819 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,907 I�fve been looking into. I heard about it from Tucker. 820 01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,394 Monsanto Tucker? Union Carbide now. 821 01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:21,559 He says to me, "Is it true 822 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,157 "that a Taft lawyer sent a phone book�fs 823 01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:24,655 "worth of confidential DuPont documents 824 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:26,271 "to the entire Federal government?" 825 01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,954 Internal documents, notconfidential Very different. 826 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,110 - So you're testifying. - I signed up to testify. 827 01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:32,199 And the next thing I hear 828 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,271 is DuPont has petitioned ajudge 829 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,032 to stop me from testifying, from flying to DC, 830 01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:38,175 from even picking up the phone 831 01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:39,280 They filed for a gag order. 832 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,112 Yes! This is what we�fre up against. 833 01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:42,427 - Jesus. - David. 834 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:43,615 Come on, Tom. What do you expect? 835 01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:44,708 Where do we stand? 836 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,630 Well, the judge rejected the gag order, 837 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:48,199 so I fly out Monday. 838 01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:52,150 Nice. I guess we�fll just watch on C-SPAN. 839 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,958 You ever do anything like this again, 840 01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:59,715 I will cut your balls off and serve them to DuPont myself. 841 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:01,512 Get out of here. 842 01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:05,873 Good luck in Washington. 843 01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:08,434 Thanks, Tom. 844 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,713 This material is a perfluoro... 845 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,717 or a PFOA. 846 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,356 It�fs also known as FC 143, 847 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,596 ammonium perfluorooctanoates. 848 01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:27,389 It has been shown by DuPont�fs own science 849 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,596 that PFOA C-8 850 01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:35,672 is possibly life threatening to human health. 851 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:41,632 We are asking this agency to do something. 852 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,635 The Presidential election in four decades. 853 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,552 Just look at these latest polls. 854 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:08,552 Did you forget to pay the water bill? 855 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:10,748 What? 856 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,909 You forget to pay the water bill? 857 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:15,878 No. 858 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,073 We got a notice. 859 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,833 What�fs it say? 860 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,832 "PFOA is a persistent chemical 861 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,478 "that is slow to be eliminated 862 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,916 "from the blood stream of people who have been exposed to it. 863 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,192 "The DuPont company has advised 864 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:35,511 "the Lubeck Water District that low concentrations 865 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,557 "have been found in the district�fs wells. 866 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:39,920 "DuPont has advised the district 867 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,037 "that it is confident these levels are safe." 868 01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:46,030 What the hell does that mean? 869 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,791 A letter came last fall. 870 01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,668 Made no sense to me, so I started making calls. 871 01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,034 I told Joe don't kick that hornet�fs nest. 872 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,319 It�fs not like we didn't know what we�fd signed up for. 873 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:00,715 What do you mean? 874 01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,470 Oh, lwas married before Joe 875 01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,110 to a chemist at DuPont. 876 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,436 Dream job. Paid real well. 877 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,511 And the perks! Presents for no reason. 878 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,069 We�fd get this catalogue. Just pick whatever you want. 879 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:17,314 And little stuff. 880 01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:18,832 Like he�fd bring home this soap, 881 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,478 this miracle powder. 882 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,595 You put it in the washing machine or the dishwasher, 883 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,680 just wipes stuff clean like you would not believe. 884 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,113 One day he comes home and says, 885 01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:29,952 "Can�ft bring that stuff home no more." 886 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:31,792 "Why?" Won�ft tell me. 887 01:09:32,119 --> 01:09:34,314 Then he�fd get sick for weeks. 888 01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,189 The Teflon flu, the guys would call it. 889 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,076 We knew something wasn�ft right. 890 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,432 But this house, we bought itjust by 891 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,591 showing the bank my husband�fs DuPont ID. 892 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,956 Put both our kids through college. Engineers. 893 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,319 In this town, that doesn�ft come without a price. 894 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,359 My brother Kenny didn't know that price. 895 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,555 Hejoined DuPont at 19. 896 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,994 Died on the operating table two years later. 897 01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,511 - Ulcerative colitis. - Just like Dan Schiller had. 898 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:06,918 Who�fs Dan? 899 01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,719 A chemist at DuPont. Worked with my ex-husband. 900 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,912 And Roger, what�fs his name? 901 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,512 Wilkins, the foreman. 902 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,869 Steven Gellar. Randy Field. 903 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,599 Randy�fs was kidney cancer. He survived. 904 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,194 His wife didn't. No, June�fs was thyroid. 905 01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:23,877 It was supposed to be treatable. 906 01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:25,599 They didn't catch it in time. 907 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,909 But they caught it in their son. 908 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,076 Were your children born healthy? 909 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,195 Yes. Yes, they were. Good. 910 01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:38,273 But we wanted a third and couldn't. 911 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,554 I went to my doctor. 912 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,359 He says, "You need a hysterectomy. You need it right away." 913 01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:45,389 I�fm so sorry. 914 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,072 Badluck, lguess. 915 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,153 I was 36. 916 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:52,793 Mr. Kiger, 917 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,074 you think I could get a copy of that letter? 918 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,555 What�fs wrong with your hand? 919 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,114 Nothing. It�fs fine. 920 01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:18,997 Whoa, Rob? 921 01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:22,837 Rob, what are you doing? 922 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,029 I mean, it�fs not enough to poison these people? 923 01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:28,519 They gotta swindle them too? 924 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,158 Okay, calm down. All right? 925 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:31,957 DuPont wrote that letter! 926 01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:33,996 Not the water authority. How do you know that? 927 01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,719 You think I don't know what a DuPont letter looks like by now? 928 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,118 Okay. Okay. 929 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:39,748 I mean, Jesus! 930 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,557 It�fs evil, Sarah. 931 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,595 It�fs fucking evil! 932 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,829 What�fs fack? 933 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:47,875 Perfect. 934 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,720 It�fs nothing, sweetie. It�fs nothing. Oh, boy. 935 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,471 I�fm sorry. I�fm sorry, honey. 936 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,975 Can you give Charlie the bottle, please? 937 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,560 Where�fs his bottle? It�fs in the bag. 938 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,869 What is all this? It�fs from Grammer�fs. 939 01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:00,350 It was left in her mailbox. 940 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,909 "Medical claims, now and forever"? Here, bud. 941 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,432 "Now and forever." Is that that... 942 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,595 That... 943 01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:08,350 Medical monitoring. Is that... 944 01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:12,429 I thought you said that wasn�ft gonna pass? 945 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,597 - Morning. - Guys. 946 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,912 Our lead plaintiff is Mr. Joe Kiger. 947 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,595 Potential plaintiff, if the partnership approves. 948 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,988 Mr. Joe Kiger, a Phys Ed teacher 949 01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:35,229 from Parkersburg, West Virginia. 950 01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:39,791 On behalf of the 70,000 local residents, 951 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,757 whose water DuPont knowingly poisoned 952 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,193 for the last 40 years. 953 01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:45,279 A class action? 954 01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:46,509 Let him finish. 955 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,351 The Kigers were notified 956 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,796 by their local water company that DuPont had found 957 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,667 small concentrations of 0-8 in their water supply, 958 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,193 but not to worry 959 01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,670 because those concentrations were safe. 960 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,671 Why? Because DuPont said so. 961 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,309 This is what DuPont considers safe. 962 01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:15,350 In an Olympic size swimming pool. 963 01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,908 In other words, even a trace of C-8 964 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,911 renders water unsafe. 965 01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:22,349 But DuPont told the local water authority, 966 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:23,475 "Don't worry. 967 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,551 "Your wells have got even less than that." 968 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,710 Except that was a lie. A lie? 969 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,434 Yes. DuPont has been secretly testing 970 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:31,872 these wells for decades. 971 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,917 They knew they had contaminated those wells 972 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,912 up to six times that level. 973 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,672 And thanks to the Tennant case, now we know too. 974 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,354 Hold on. This stuff is unregulated, right? 975 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:44,993 I mean, as far as EPA�fs concerned, 976 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,115 it might as well be rose petals. 977 01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:49,475 The EPA hasn�ft set a standard, that�fs true, 978 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,198 but DuPont did. 979 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,273 And all the law requires to win a case like this, 980 01:13:54,359 --> 01:13:56,590 is to show that DuPont exceeded 981 01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,239 what DuPont itself considers safe. 982 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,588 Self-regulation. 983 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,596 Ifwhat you're saying is right... It is right. 984 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,069 Then why would DuPont tell this water district anything at all? 985 01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:07,592 Seems to me that they're being 986 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,431 a good corporate citizen here. 987 01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,872 That�fs how long you have to file suit. 988 01:14:13,279 --> 01:14:14,554 One year from the moment 989 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,199 you realize your water�fs been contaminated. 990 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,752 This letter looks like it�fs telling people their water is safe. 991 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,990 In fact, it�fs notifying them that it isn�ft. 992 01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:26,752 DuPont has started the clock. 993 01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:28,234 Smart. 994 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,954 We would�fve counseled that. 995 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:32,076 It was sent 11 months ago. 996 01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,627 The moment they realized we knew. 997 01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:37,515 In 30 days, they're home free. 998 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,194 So that�fs the proposed case in brief. 999 01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:43,347 You think? 1000 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:44,708 Rob. 1001 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,712 C-8 bio-accumulates. It builds up inside of us. 1002 01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:50,395 Some class members who aren�ft sick today 1003 01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,118 will get sick tomorrow. 1004 01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,953 We need a way to protect them into the future. 1005 01:14:56,039 --> 01:14:58,136 Jesus, Tom! lfyou're even thinking about using medical monitoring... 1006 01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:00,469 Hold on. Hold on. 1007 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,189 Medical monitoring is a claim now permitted 1008 01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:05,507 in West Virginia courts. 1009 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,555 Oh, come on. Let�fs hear him out. 1010 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,279 It say if a company exposes a community 1011 01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:11,992 to something that makes them sick, 1012 01:15:12,079 --> 01:15:15,310 they must monitor the health of that community indefinitely. 1013 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:19,279 Everybody get that? You're creating liability from mere exposure. 1014 01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:21,032 It�fs also unprecedented. 1015 01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:23,275 Exactly! Which is why not six months ago, 1016 01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:25,032 we fought tooth and nail against it. 1017 01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:27,792 And you lost. Our clients have the right 1018 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,711 to avail themselves of the law. 1019 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,314 Potential clients. 1020 01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:37,479 Okay. 1021 01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:41,395 I know you, Rob. I know your passion. 1022 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,390 You got a great settlement for your farmer. 1023 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:45,832 You should be proud of that. 1024 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,349 And perhaps as the newest partner at this table, 1025 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:51,993 I should be more circumspect. 1026 01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:56,153 But what he�fs proposing here is 1027 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,029 nothing less than a shakedown 1028 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:02,157 of an iconic American company. We do not represent DuPont. 1029 01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:04,310 No, you don't represent anyone. 1030 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:07,791 Is this what we have become? 1031 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,632 Plaintiff�fs attorneys. Ambulance chasers. 1032 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,640 Why don't you just admit it? Rob, you wanna flip. 1033 01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,869 You wanna take everything that you know 1034 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,349 about how chemical companies operate 1035 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,908 and turn it against DuPont. Like an informant. 1036 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,176 - That�fs enough. - Isn�ft that right? 1037 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:22,519 Okay! Isn't that right? 1038 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,993 Isn�ft that right? Yes. 1039 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,956 Okay, then, I... I say we take a vote 1040 01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:30,155 and determine whether or not 1041 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:31,752 we continue in the tradition 1042 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,149 that has distinguished this firm from everyone else... 1043 01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,707 Okay, I�fm running this meeting. Okay? 1044 01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:38,399 You got that? 1045 01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:41,037 Has anyone even read the evidence 1046 01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:42,234 this man has collected? 1047 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,715 The willful negligence, the corruption? 1048 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,199 Read it! 1049 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,920 And then tell me we should be sitting on our asses! 1050 01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,519 That�fs the reason why Americans hate lawyers. 1051 01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:59,356 This is the crap that fuels the Ralph Naders of the world. 1052 01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,158 We should want to nail DuPont. 1053 01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:04,996 All of us should! 1054 01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,274 American business is better than this, gentlemen. 1055 01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:09,998 And when it�fs not, we should hold them to it. 1056 01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:12,149 That�fs how you build faith in the system. 1057 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,279 We�fre always arguing that companies are people. 1058 01:17:17,359 --> 01:17:20,796 Well, these people have crossed the line! 1059 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:23,591 To hell with them! 1060 01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:28,798 It may come as a surprise 1061 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,792 to corporate defense types like yourselves, 1062 01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,756 but there's more to the law than just flooding 1063 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,431 the other side in papers. 1064 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,716 From where I sit, you have to touch people. 1065 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,390 These girls, they handle the calls 1066 01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,630 from the class action members. 1067 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,194 And there�fs thousands of 'em on any given case. 1068 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,912 And it�fs here that we come to know their pain. 1069 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,557 Isn�ft that right, Hazel? 1070 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,916 Yes. We hear it every day 1071 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,150 and it�fs myjob to make a jury feel that pain. 1072 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,753 Not out of pity, but out of fear. 1073 01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:03,628 Whatever it is that happened to my client, 1074 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,516 thatjuror has to think, 1075 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,118 "That could happen to me." 1076 01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:09,679 You just keep hammering it. 1077 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,909 One part per billion. One part per billion. 1078 01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:14,429 It�fs their own documents. Their own scientists. 1079 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,555 Absolutely. 1080 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,073 They set that standard, they have to live with it. 1081 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,150 Yeah, Ithink we can relax, Rob, 1082 01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:23,470 though, there�fs no way they're gonna prevail with a motion to dismiss. 1083 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,152 This is procedural. 1084 01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,390 It�fs nonsense. We�fll get a trial today. 1085 01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:32,350 Okay, I�fll catch you guys in there. 1086 01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,279 I wouldn't drink that. 1087 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,880 Earl. 1088 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,228 How ya doing? 1089 01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:47,434 Still here. 1090 01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:50,679 That�fs somethin�f, right? 1091 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,596 Yes, that�fs something. 1092 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,675 Good to see ya, Robbie. 1093 01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:00,707 Can�ft let 'em 1094 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:03,434 shut you down. 1095 01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,908 I won�ft. I promise. 1096 01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,038 Whole world 1097 01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,391 needs to know. 1098 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,233 They will, Earl. They will. 1099 01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:23,198 Hey, Rob? It�fs time. 1100 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,351 I have to go. 1101 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,398 We are here on defendant�fs motion 1102 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,109 to dismiss the case brought by Mr. Kiger, et al. 1103 01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:54,069 Now, which one of you is Mr. Wallace? 1104 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,431 Edward Wallace, Your Honor, 1105 01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,073 on behalf of the El. DuPont de Nemours and Company, 1106 01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:00,639 better known as DuPont. 1107 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,238 Yes, I�fve heard of it. 1108 01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:03,992 Your motion. Thank you. 1109 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,878 Your Honor, we�fre here today because of a uniquely American invention. 1110 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:10,640 Teflon. 1111 01:20:11,079 --> 01:20:13,798 Since 1961, Teflon has liberated housewives... 1112 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,917 No, no, no. Excuse me. Homemakers... 1113 01:20:17,039 --> 01:20:19,314 This is a courtroom, Mr. Wallace. 1114 01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:21,152 Not the Home Shopping Network. 1115 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,275 Plaintiffs have alleged that DuPont 1116 01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:27,395 did not meet its own standard of safety 1117 01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,948 with regard to the level of C-8 1118 01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:31,314 in the local water supply. 1119 01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:33,559 That�fs irrelevant, Your Honor. 1120 01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:35,672 We ask you to dismiss on grounds 1121 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,671 that the only standard that matters, 1122 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,399 is the one that elected government deems safe. 1123 01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,635 Not if it�fs unregulated. 1124 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,789 It�fs government�fs job to make these determinations. 1125 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,438 Not any one company. It�fs a trap. 1126 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:46,872 They cant revety backto�h. 1127 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,074 I got it. 1128 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:49,957 Is there a problem, Mr. Deitzler? 1129 01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:51,757 Apologies, Your Honor, 1130 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,908 from the government for a while now. 1131 01:20:58,039 --> 01:21:00,474 And they're asking you to let them off the hook 1132 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,835 because they�fve succeeded in their strategy. 1133 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,029 Government doesn�ft regulate C-8. 1134 01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:06,159 Actually, that�fs not true. 1135 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:07,560 No, no. 1136 01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,676 The West Virginia�fs C-8 Working Group 1137 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,279 has just issued a standard. 1138 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,109 Here with us today, 1139 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,119 is the governmental official who led that effort, 1140 01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,037 Dr. Mary Sue Kimball. 1141 01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,108 And, Dr. Kimball, as a senior member 1142 01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:24,475 of the State�fs Department of Environmental Protection, 1143 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,073 isn�ft it, in fact, your duty, 1144 01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:28,359 to protect the citizens of West Virginia... Mr. Wallace. 1145 01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:30,555 I�fll cut to the chase. 1146 01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:33,957 What is the level of 0-8 in drinking water 1147 01:21:34,039 --> 01:21:36,234 that the State of West Virginia 1148 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,511 has determined to be completely safe? 1149 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,015 Watch it go from one part per billion to? 1150 01:21:40,039 --> 01:21:41,039 Five. Ten? 1151 01:21:41,119 --> 01:21:42,757 150 parts per billion. 1152 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,912 Welcome to West Virginia. The levels found in the wells 1153 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,992 of all six water districts represented in this suit, 1154 01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:52,350 do they fall below this maximum level? 1155 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,439 Well below. 1156 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:55,715 Nothing else, Your Honor. 1157 01:21:57,079 --> 01:21:58,752 Your witness, Mr. Deitzler. 1158 01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,273 Wait. Who�fs on the working group? 1159 01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:01,712 DuPont, of course, and who else? 1160 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,176 Who did the water testing? Mr. Deitzler? 1161 01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:04,872 When was it done? One moment, Judge. 1162 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,279 What was the sample size? 1163 01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:07,479 We should be able to see... 1164 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,432 Going once, going twice... 1165 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,432 Dr. Kimball, who were the members of this cabal 1166 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,158 you call the 0-8 working group? 1167 01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:18,672 Objection. 1168 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,557 Cool it, Mr. Deitzler. 1169 01:22:22,119 --> 01:22:23,439 Go ahead, Dr. Kimball. 1170 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:25,313 Agency officials, 1171 01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:29,074 representatives of the scientific community, um, stakeholders. 1172 01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:30,912 Stakeholders? Which stakeholders? 1173 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,435 Oh, wait, let me guess. It rhymes with bouffant? 1174 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,351 DuPont is a stakeholder. Yes. 1175 01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:38,634 So, lsee. 1176 01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,949 So, don't you find it peculiar that on the eve 1177 01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,112 of a class action lawsuit, 1178 01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:46,715 where DuPont might be considered liable 1179 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,268 for poisoning this community, 1180 01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:52,198 they get you to come in here suddenly 1181 01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:56,073 and reverse decades of their so-called heralded science? 1182 01:22:57,239 --> 01:22:59,195 That�fs false. I don't work for DuPont. 1183 01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:00,507 I didn't say you did. 1184 01:23:01,359 --> 01:23:03,475 But now you bring it up, we�fll check back in a month. 1185 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:05,279 Your Honor... You honestly, was gonna plan on 1186 01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:10,194 telling this community that they can drink 150 times more C-8? 1187 01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:11,997 I mean, come on, people, bottoms up. 1188 01:23:12,079 --> 01:23:13,079 Honestly, Judge... 1189 01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:15,310 All right, Mr. Deitzler, enough. 1190 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,073 We�fll be unveiling the new standard 1191 01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:19,639 at an upcoming public hearing. 1192 01:23:20,279 --> 01:23:23,192 Unveiling. Oh, that sounds like a party. 1193 01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:25,039 We�fll be there! 1194 01:23:31,039 --> 01:23:33,792 Their safety standards thing, that�fs all a sham. 1195 01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:35,631 Thanks to the Judge '3 decision, 1196 01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,631 we will have our day in court. 1197 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:38,913 Yes, we will! 1198 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,354 Because if the state of West Virginia 1199 01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,317 won �ft stop the DuPont Corporation 1200 01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:45,630 from literally poisoning its citizens, 1201 01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,076 then we, the citizens, will stop them ourselves. 1202 01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,475 Good evening and welcome to 20/20. 1203 01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,872 Well, it coats the pots you cook with so the food doesn't stick. 1204 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,077 It protects the carpet your baby crawls on. 1205 01:24:01,159 --> 01:24:02,957 I miss carpet. 1206 01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:05,234 Your Skin lotion, even your makeup. 1207 01:24:05,319 --> 01:24:07,197 We're talking about Teflon. 1208 01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:10,271 And tonight our 20/20 investigation uncovers 1209 01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:14,557 alarming information about this much-used material. 1210 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,154 It is very alarming, Barbara. I cook with Teflon. 1211 01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:20,396 I didn't know until I watched this report that you're about to see, 1212 01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,198 that if Teflon gets hot enough... 1213 01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:24,032 millions of people have in their homes. 1214 01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,496 Teflon has become such a familiar... 1215 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,671 substance that is also used in clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses. 1216 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,115 Already found in the blood of most Americans. 1217 01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,398 Millions of homes across Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface... 1218 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,550 The Environmental Protection Agency 1219 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,588 this morning announced it has opened a priority review of the chemical C-8, 1220 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,274 currently the subject of a class action lawsuit 1221 01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:50,237 against the chemical giant DuPont. 1222 01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:51,319 Joe! 1223 01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,471 Joe! Oh, my Lord! Joe, just wait! 1224 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,551 Wait for the fire department, please, honey! 1225 01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,911 Please don't go crazy! 1226 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,935 Have triggered a mass panic amongst Chinese consumers. 1227 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,712 Just throw away your non-stick pans, many experts... 1228 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,029 Are your pans making you Sick? 1229 01:25:09,119 --> 01:25:10,792 That�fs the question being asked... 1230 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,077 kitchen implements coated in Teflon. 1231 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,671 The house was empty. It belongs to my father. 1232 01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:20,149 I don't know how it could've started. 1233 01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:21,467 His name Kiger? 1234 01:25:23,119 --> 01:25:25,235 Think someone might have got the wrong house? 1235 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,957 All of this hullabaloo is just Silly. 1236 01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,077 Teflon is completely safe for cooking. 1237 01:25:41,159 --> 01:25:43,957 That is why we founded the Cook Healthy campaign, 1238 01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:45,597 to set the record straight. 1239 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:50,635 And besides being completely safe, it is also... 1240 01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,113 Copy that. 1241 01:26:02,119 --> 01:26:03,472 All the way down. 1242 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:09,309 We �fre now on the record. 1243 01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:13,279 This is the videotaped deposition of Charles 0. Holliday, Jr., 1244 01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:16,318 taken by the plaintiffs in the matter of Kiger et al 1245 01:27:16,399 --> 01:27:19,596 v. the El. DuPont de Nemours and Company. 1246 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,398 Raise your right hand. 1247 01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:24,838 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 1248 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,034 I do. 1249 01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,395 Uh, please state your name. 1250 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:31,952 Charles 0. Holliday, Jr. 1251 01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:35,750 And are you presently employed? 1252 01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:37,828 Yes. 1253 01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:40,315 What is your position? 1254 01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:44,555 I'm the chairman and chief executive officer of the DuPont Company. 1255 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,510 In DuPont's most recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, 1256 01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:55,037 you state, "Based on over 50 years of industry experience 1257 01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,350 "and extensive scientific study, 1258 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,432 "DuPont believes there is no evidence that PFOA causes 1259 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,957 "any adverse human health effects or harms the environment." 1260 01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:08,155 You signed that legal filing, correct? 1261 01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,993 I don't recall the exact statement, but that sounds right to me. 1262 01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:15,118 Are you aware that DuPont has, in its own files, 1263 01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:20,194 studies dating back to the 1970s that say just the opposite? 1264 01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,431 That PFOA, or 0-8, as it's called, 1265 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,591 has potentially life-threatening effects on human health? 1266 01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,591 I'm not familiar with the exact studies we may have in our files. 1267 01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,956 Then I'll take you through them. Uh, Exhibit 9. 1268 01:28:38,319 --> 01:28:41,756 Uh, you were just handed Exhibit 9. 1269 01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:46,193 Uh, do you see the date March 13th, 1979? Yes. 1270 01:28:46,319 --> 01:28:49,038 Do you see the DuPont logo at the top? Yes. 1271 01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:52,868 Do you see this word here, highlighted? Yes. 1272 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,632 Would you read it for me, please? "Receptors." 1273 01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,069 Do you know what that word refers to, receptors? 1274 01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,551 Um, in this context, I do not. 1275 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,231 It means human beings. 1276 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,829 DuPont refers to the men and women 1277 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,673 that your company exposed to 0-8 as receptors. 1278 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:16,390 And in these receptors, your scientists found, 1279 01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,712 "significantly higher incidents of allergic endocrine 1280 01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,676 "and metabolic disorders." 1281 01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:27,390 As well as, "excess risk of developing liver disease." 1282 01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,470 Do you see that? Yes. 1283 01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:34,595 Moreover, you have infertility at Teflon. 1284 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,949 Occurrences of leukemia. 1285 01:29:37,039 --> 01:29:39,314 You have excess of cancers. 1286 01:29:39,399 --> 01:29:41,435 Bladder, kidney, oral, pharynx. 1287 01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,028 Next paragraph. 78. 1288 01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:46,680 Do you see that heading? Do you see that date? Do you see that? 1289 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,228 Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53. 1290 01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:51,430 I'd like to move on to birth defects. 1291 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:52,720 We've gone almost seven hours. 1292 01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,637 Mr. Holliday, you're aware that in 1981 1293 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,474 3M notified DuPont that it had conducted studies on rats. 1294 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:00,958 And these studies showed 1295 01:30:01,079 --> 01:30:04,913 that sustained C-8 exposure can cause facial deformities? 1296 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,717 I'm not aware of a study by 3M. 1297 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,395 How about DuPont's own studies that showed the same thing in humans? 1298 01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:18,268 That's DuPont's pregnancy study from 1981. 1299 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,216 Does that look like a DuPont document to you? 1300 01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:21,309 It looks to be. 1301 01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:27,034 Are you aware that DuPont has denied that any such study 1302 01:30:27,119 --> 01:30:29,587 ever even took place? 1303 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,552 I'm not familiar with specific statements we've made about that. 1304 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,314 Seven pregnant women, all DuPont employees, 1305 01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:39,435 all from the Teflon line. 1306 01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,310 Do you see this here? 1307 01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:46,791 "Child, four months, one nostril, 1308 01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,114 "eye defect." Yes. 1309 01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:52,396 Two of the seven women, nearly 30%, gave birth 1310 01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:56,359 to babies that had the exact facial deformities that your company 1311 01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,715 already knew about. We're done here. 1312 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:01,994 Sir. 1313 01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:05,190 His parents named him Bucky. 1314 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,273 Bucky Bailey. 1315 01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,548 This is your receptor. 1316 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,399 Now we're done. 1317 01:33:01,399 --> 01:33:05,109 The Environmental Protection Agency has levied the largest fine 1318 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:09,033 in agency history against the chemical giant, DuPont. 1319 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,115 The EPA concluded the company failed to report the health dangers of C-8 1320 01:33:14,199 --> 01:33:16,793 used in the manufacture of Teflon. 1321 01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:21,029 Dupont will pay the EPA 16. 5 million. 1322 01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:26,353 It earns a billion dollars in profits from Teflon each year. 1323 01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:34,798 To recap, 1324 01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,117 we've agreed that DuPont will clean local water supplies. 1325 01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:41,795 Install infiltration systems in all six water districts. 1326 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:46,395 Additionally, DuPontwill pay 70 million in cash to the Class. 1327 01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,710 Three days' revenue on the Teflon line. 1328 01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,759 Which leaves our most challenging issue. Medical monitoring. 1329 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,912 We've agreed to establish an independent science panel 1330 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:01,551 comprised of three scientists who have no relationship to either side. 1331 01:34:02,399 --> 01:34:05,836 This independent panel will study the members of this Class 1332 01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,753 to determine whether C-8 exposure has led to increased incidents 1333 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,831 of disease in this region. 1334 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,472 If the panel finds that there are probable scientific links 1335 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,996 to a particular disease, the health of everyone in the Class 1336 01:34:19,079 --> 01:34:22,993 will be monitored for that disease in perpetuity 1337 01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:26,470 at DuPont's cost, up to 235 million. 1338 01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,358 And any Class member who develops that disease 1339 01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,113 can sue DuPont for damages. 1340 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,109 However... 1341 01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:38,632 If the science panel fails to establish probable scientific links, 1342 01:34:39,359 --> 01:34:40,509 then this case is over. 1343 01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,114 No monitoring. No lawsuits. No exceptions. 1344 01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,595 Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now officially in the hands of science. 1345 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:54,390 Well, wouldn't have pegged you as a Mai Tai guy. 1346 01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:57,713 It's festive. Wouldn't have pegged you for that either. 1347 01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,552 We have something to celebrate. Yeah? 1348 01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:01,708 Do we? 1349 01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:06,868 Look, how do we know that the panel's gonna prove 1350 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,554 that DuPont made all these people sick? 1351 01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:12,833 I'm no scientist, but even I know you'd need 1352 01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,752 huge amounts of medical data, not to mention 1353 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,511 thousands of blood samples and... 1354 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,829 From people who don't trust us. 1355 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,195 "Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with some needles. You won't mind, will ya?" 1356 01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:26,788 I know these people, you know. 1357 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,033 They're gonna take the money and run. 1358 01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:31,274 Wouldn't you? 1359 01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:36,036 I think they want more than just the money. I think they... 1360 01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,514 They wanna know if they're gonna get sick or not. 1361 01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,591 Or if they have 0-8 in their blood, and what that's gonna do 1362 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,113 to them and their families. 1363 01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:48,873 So, we're just gonna trust that they show up? 1364 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,395 Trust, but verify. What does that mean, Rob? 1365 01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,756 Well, come in for an exam. 1366 01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,195 Um, give us a blood sample. 1367 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,949 Then, we'll give you your check. 1368 01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,909 On second thought, make mine a Mai Tai. 1369 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,000 All around, please. 1370 01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,555 Rob Bilott. Yeah. 1371 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,829 Where'd you pull that out of? 1372 01:36:15,079 --> 01:36:17,547 Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us. 1373 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,712 That�fs why scientists need to know if the chemical C-8 1374 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,313 causes any health problems. 1375 01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:26,188 Starting today, you can help by completing a health questionnaire and having... 1376 01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:31,037 Oh, come on! 1377 01:36:31,119 --> 01:36:32,975 - Medical van's downtown. - Well, how about you? 1378 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,993 You gonna get your blood tested? Nah. lhate needles. 1379 01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:39,115 It's $400, buddy. 1380 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:40,920 Really? 1381 01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,115 Got your attention, didn't I? 1382 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:15,195 Okay. Okay. All right. All right. 1383 01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,471 Yeah. That'll work. 1384 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,238 We bring them back here. 1385 01:37:20,359 --> 01:37:22,873 Draw the blood, hand them a check. 1386 01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,189 $400? Each. 1387 01:37:25,279 --> 01:37:27,110 Lots of money around here. 1388 01:37:27,319 --> 01:37:29,095 How many you brought with you today, Miss LuAnn? 1389 01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:31,509 My husband, and my three kids, and me. 1390 01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,033 $2,000. 1391 01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:35,953 Not too shabby right before Christmas. Yup. 1392 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,076 But you ain't gonna find nothing. 1393 01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:42,231 DuPont's good people. You'll see. 1394 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,432 Gigi, Gigi, Gigi! 1395 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,511 It's your turn to put the angel on the top. 1396 01:37:51,039 --> 01:37:53,395 You do it, sweetie. Gigi's too pooped. 1397 01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,438 Why don't you get your Uncle Ben to give you a boost? 1398 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,478 Ooh. Mom, you okay? 1399 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:00,600 Yeah. 1400 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,158 Seriously, it's huge. 1401 01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,216 They're gonna be making you partner this year. I know it. 1402 01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,117 Well, they'd better. I mean... 1403 01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:07,992 Mommy, come see! 1404 01:38:08,079 --> 01:38:09,216 Hey, baby, did you hang that ornament? 1405 01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:11,275 - Rob, can you get that? - Let me see. 1406 01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:12,554 Okay, I'm coming. 1407 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:17,560 Hello? 1408 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,994 Rob, you sitting down for this? Larry, what's wrong? 1409 01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:23,510 Sixty-nine thousand. Sixty-nine thousand what? 1410 01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,716 Sixty-nine thousand people got tested. Sixty-nine thousand! 1411 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,949 Do you realize how much data this is? 1412 01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:30,416 It's what we needed, Rob! This is it! 1413 01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,953 Oh, my God. You were right all along, my friend. 1414 01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:34,439 Merry Christmas! Thank you! 1415 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,033 You bet. Thank you! 1416 01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:37,394 Talk real soon. 1417 01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:41,076 Hey, who was that? You won't believe it. 1418 01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:43,798 Daddy, guess what I just did? What? What'd you just do? 1419 01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,711 I put the angel on the top. 1420 01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,153 Yeah? Uncle Ben lifted me. 1421 01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:49,878 He did? Like this? Oh! 1422 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,747 - Merry Christmas, everyone! - Merry Christmas! 1423 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:13,110 We are gathered here today in the memory of Wilbur Earl Tennant. 1424 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,478 "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. 1425 01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:19,752 "He makes me lie down in green pastures. 1426 01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:25,074 "He leads me besides still waters. He restoreth my soul. 1427 01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:28,675 "Even though lwalk through the valley of the shadow of death, 1428 01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,909 "I will fear no evil..." 1429 01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,118 Quick, everybody. Mustard or ketchup? 1430 01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:07,350 Teddy, for the tenth time, that's my ketchup. 1431 01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,471 Charlie, don't start. What? It's mine. I got it. 1432 01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,198 - He's got his own, okay? - You're that lawyer. 1433 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,748 Finish up. 1434 01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:20,109 My brother's Dale Lamb. You took his blood. Said you'd help him. 1435 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,439 Yeah, I did. We're... We're working on it. I promise. 1436 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:24,838 He's dead. 1437 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,396 Testicular cancer. 1438 01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:33,078 Left three little boys younger than yours. 1439 01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:40,475 But you enjoy your family. 1440 01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:44,079 Okay. Everybody up. 1441 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:45,832 I'm not finished. I said up. 1442 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,234 Well, Darlene can't even leave the house without being harassed! 1443 01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:33,189 First, they blame us for suing DuPont, 1444 01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:36,750 and now they hate on us 'cause they ain't seen nothing from it! 1445 01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,832 I'm sorry, Joe... Well, that ain't good enough! 1446 01:41:40,079 --> 01:41:43,628 And they wonder why in the hell it takes four damn years 1447 01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:47,189 to read a lousy blood sample, and I don't blame 'em! 1448 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,717 We trusted you, Rob. We put our faith in you. 1449 01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,189 - I know, Joe. I'm so... - All right? 1450 01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,757 Isn't there just some kind of a progress report? 1451 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:06,070 Anything that I can share with these folks? 1452 01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:08,673 I mean, they... They have been waiting. 1453 01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,158 I'm sorry, Mr. Bilott. 1454 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:11,992 The Panel is still in the process of 1455 01:42:12,079 --> 01:42:13,990 analyzing complex data and modeling 1456 01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:16,832 from thousands of samples and medical histories. 1457 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,077 - I'm so sorry. - Could you hold a moment? 1458 01:42:30,279 --> 01:42:32,430 Charlie, don't pick at your food. 1459 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:35,387 What's a hooker? 1460 01:42:37,359 --> 01:42:39,112 Where did you learn that? 1461 01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:41,953 He told me that Mary Magdalene was a hooker. 1462 01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,877 What? She was. You're supposed to say prostitute. 1463 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,349 And then she found God 1464 01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,238 and became one of Jesus's most fervent disciples. 1465 01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:55,439 See? lwas just teaching him the Bible. 1466 01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,427 I can't today. So everybody up. 1467 01:42:59,039 --> 01:43:00,552 Everybody up! 1468 01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:11,596 Can we still afford it? What? 1469 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,833 Catholic school. 1470 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,716 My brother's back in rehab. Did you know that? 1471 01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,671 No, I'm sorry. Today's... 1472 01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:41,787 Today's Mom's first day at chemo. 1473 01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:43,439 I forgot. 1474 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,273 'Cause it's not about your case, Rob. 1475 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:47,713 Car! 1476 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:49,073 Gosh. Okay. Jimmies. 1477 01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,828 Teddy forged my signature, and Tony's quitting football. Tony. 1478 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,951 But how would you know about that, right? 1479 01:44:01,039 --> 01:44:03,109 Because all you see, all that you... 1480 01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:06,670 You... The boys have ever seen is you, obsessing about this... 1481 01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:12,917 Have lever complained? 1482 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,557 Say something, for God's sakes, Rob! 1483 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:21,595 No. No? 1484 01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,476 No. No. 1485 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:26,555 Because I knew that you needed something. 1486 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,393 Some connection... Something. 1487 01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:30,479 And... 1488 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:31,880 So I took it on. 1489 01:44:33,039 --> 01:44:37,033 But if you want to start accounting, if you want to start with, 1490 01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,155 "Oh, can we afford," then... 1491 01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,198 I don't know, Rob. 1492 01:44:45,159 --> 01:44:47,912 Can the boys afford a father who can't string two words together? 1493 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,514 Can our marriage afford 13 years of... 1494 01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,476 Thirteen years of this? 1495 01:44:55,159 --> 01:44:58,755 How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it? About our lives? 1496 01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,238 Of course not. 1497 01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,194 I'll tell Mom you asked about her. 1498 01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,555 What in God's name is that Panel doing? Why are we still getting bills? 1499 01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,194 Overhead. Uh... 1500 01:45:17,279 --> 01:45:18,349 LocalcounseL 1501 01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,033 Harry's call center... $1,000 an hour. 1502 01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,429 That... That was a technical expert. 1503 01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:27,717 We needed to do filings when DuPont started lobbying Washington... 1504 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,511 That's Washington's problem, not ours. 1505 01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,279 That's why you got them involved. Your memo. 1506 01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:34,113 Itwasjust a fine, Tom. It's a fine. Sixteen million. 1507 01:45:34,199 --> 01:45:37,033 It's... It's nothing for these people. It's pocket change. 1508 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:39,615 Yes, but if they get charged with criminal concealment, game over. 1509 01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,234 You said DOJ was investigating. Not anymore. 1510 01:45:42,359 --> 01:45:44,190 What? They dropped the investigation. 1511 01:45:44,319 --> 01:45:46,833 They dropped... What? They dropped it. No reason given. 1512 01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,514 Tom, our government is captive to DuPont. 1513 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,792 This case, it's the only hope we have. 1514 01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,314 They know that, and they're trying to make it as expensive 1515 01:45:59,399 --> 01:46:02,198 as they can to force you to make me stop. 1516 01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:06,237 Just tell me how much longer. I... 1517 01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:10,789 I... lcan't. I... lwish I could. 1518 01:46:12,359 --> 01:46:13,634 Tom, I... Are you okay? 1519 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,273 Um, I'm fine. l'mjust... 1520 01:46:15,359 --> 01:46:19,751 Rob, I'm a Managing Partner now. I have a firm to run. 1521 01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:24,073 I know. And Tom, I think there could be a huge payout here... 1522 01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:25,559 You think I'm in this for money? 1523 01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:27,469 No, I... You think I am... 1524 01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:31,997 Letting you drag this firm's reputation through a meat grinder 1525 01:46:32,079 --> 01:46:33,717 for some kind of plaintiff's payoff? 1526 01:46:36,199 --> 01:46:38,872 I... I don't know why you're doing it. 1527 01:46:43,159 --> 01:46:45,435 Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry, 1528 01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,113 but you're gonna have to take another pay cut. 1529 01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:51,112 Tom, that's... That's my fourth pay cut. 1530 01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:54,158 I... I'm down to a third now. 1531 01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,470 You don't have any clients. No one will take your calls. 1532 01:46:58,199 --> 01:47:02,431 What am I supposed to do here? Now, I'm on your side, but... 1533 01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:03,800 Rob? 1534 01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,109 Amy? Amy! 1535 01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,190 - Kathleen! - Get some help! 1536 01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:10,759 Kathleen! Get some help! 1537 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:13,110 Rob! Rob! 1538 01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:25,555 Looks like we should, uh, cancel 1539 01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,756 my 4:00 with Jerry and... 1540 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,434 I don't know. We're waiting to find out. 1541 01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:32,588 Itwas, uh... 1542 01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,439 Make... Make sure that, uh, Jerry knows that... 1543 01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:41,313 I... I have to go. 1544 01:47:42,199 --> 01:47:43,712 Mrs. Bilott? Yes. 1545 01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,997 We think your husband's most likely experienced a TIA. 1546 01:47:47,079 --> 01:47:49,274 A transient ischemic attack. 1547 01:47:49,399 --> 01:47:53,791 Blood is briefly cutoff to the brain, mimicking the symptoms of a stroke. 1548 01:47:55,319 --> 01:47:59,313 Uh, excuse me. A TIA? This wasn't short. 1549 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,875 It... It kept going on. 1550 01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:03,313 What about poison? 1551 01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:05,273 I'm sorry? 1552 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,034 Could someone be poisoning him? 1553 01:48:08,119 --> 01:48:11,430 No, Mrs. Bilott. This is neurological. 1554 01:48:12,119 --> 01:48:13,712 You just said it wasn't a stroke. 1555 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,591 Well, not this time. 1556 01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,239 What does that mean? Well, it means that 1557 01:48:17,359 --> 01:48:19,350 he needs to never miss his medication. Mmm-hmm. 1558 01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,636 And needs to reduce all sources of stress in his life. 1559 01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,269 He's under enormous pressure at work. 1560 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,197 Well, that needs to change. But he's a young man. 1561 01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:30,840 He shouldn't be having these incidences. 1562 01:48:32,399 --> 01:48:34,355 He's sedated, but you can see him. 1563 01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:37,711 I'll check in on him tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. 1564 01:48:45,319 --> 01:48:47,880 I'll give you some privacy. 1565 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,637 Anything you need, call me. 1566 01:48:56,039 --> 01:48:58,759 I need you to stop making him feel like a failure. 1567 01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:09,078 I appreciate the stress that your family must be going through. 1568 01:49:09,159 --> 01:49:12,630 Please don't talk to me like I'm the wife. 1569 01:49:16,399 --> 01:49:19,596 Did Rob ever tell you about moving around as a kid? 1570 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,719 Ten times before senior year. 1571 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,836 No friends, no ties, no... 1572 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,479 Just him, his sister, his folks. 1573 01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:33,789 Then I came along and you came along and... 1574 01:49:36,279 --> 01:49:38,475 Taft, it's not just a job. 1575 01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,471 To him it's... lt's home. 1576 01:49:45,239 --> 01:49:47,800 And he was willing to risk all that 1577 01:49:48,079 --> 01:49:50,640 for a stranger who needed his help. 1578 01:49:52,119 --> 01:49:57,113 Now, you and I may not know what that is, 1579 01:49:59,359 --> 01:50:01,270 but it's not failure. 1580 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:39,832 Lord, you have searched my heart 1581 01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:45,268 And you know when [sit and when I stand 1582 01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,957 Your hand is upon me 1583 01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:52,510 Protecting me from death 1584 01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:57,800 Keeping me from harm 1585 01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:05,908 Oh, Lord, lknow you are near 1586 01:51:10,319 --> 01:51:15,234 Standing always at 1587 01:51:15,319 --> 01:51:18,516 My side 1588 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,034 Hey, do you know the score? 1589 01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:53,029 The game? Sorry, my radio's busted. 1590 01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:55,953 Sorry. 1591 01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:58,195 Don't worry about it. It'll be a surprise. 1592 01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,158 Bucky, come on. We'll be late. 1593 01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,034 Have a good one. 1594 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,875 Hey, Rob, Bill Leary. We haven't met. 1595 01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:50,119 I 'm the new comptroller out of Indianapolis. 1596 01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:53,750 Listen, we need to talk about these unbilled hours and these unreimbursed... 1597 01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,873 - Hello? - Mr. Bilott? 1598 01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:14,668 Yes? 1599 01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,911 I guess I should start by apologizing for taking... 1600 01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:20,590 well, seven years to call you. 1601 01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,671 Who is this? Oh, yes, of course. 1602 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:26,554 It's Dr. Karen Frank from the... Science Panel? 1603 01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:31,747 Again, I 'm so sorry to have kept you waiting this long, Mr. Bilott. 1604 01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:34,872 But there was just so much data... Please, Doctor, please, 1605 01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:36,199 can you... 1606 01:54:36,279 --> 01:54:38,475 Would just please tell me what's happened? 1607 01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,273 What's happening? What you've found out? 1608 01:54:41,359 --> 01:54:44,716 Yes. You gave us an unprecedented amount of data. 1609 01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:48,271 The largest epidemiological study in human history. 1610 01:54:49,039 --> 01:54:53,113 It's irrefutable. We have linked sustained exposure to C-8 1611 01:54:53,239 --> 01:54:56,755 to six categories of serious illness. 1612 01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:04,791 Kidney cancer, testicular cancer... 1613 01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:08,153 thyroid disease, preeclampsia... 1614 01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:10,993 high cholesterol, ulcerative colitis. 1615 01:55:12,319 --> 01:55:16,108 3, 535 people in the Class already have these diseases. 1616 01:55:17,039 --> 01:55:18,837 Many more will develop them. 1617 01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:24,149 Thanks to you the entire Class will be monitored... 1618 01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:27,550 and those who get sick can seek restitution. 1619 01:55:29,279 --> 01:55:32,795 You did a good thing here, Mr. Bilott. You did good. 1620 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,078 Thank you. 1621 01:57:30,119 --> 01:57:33,555 Rob? What happened? 1622 01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,479 Rob? 1623 01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:43,471 DuPont, they're reneging. 1624 01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:48,109 Which part? All of it. 1625 01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:50,632 They're tearing up our agreement. 1626 01:57:51,039 --> 01:57:52,552 Rejecting the Science Panel. 1627 01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,996 They're gonna fight every claim in court. 1628 01:57:56,079 --> 01:57:59,550 Thousands of claims. People, sick people, they'll give up. 1629 01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:01,559 They can't fight DuPont! 1630 01:58:02,039 --> 01:58:04,792 How can they go back on... 1631 01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:06,989 Sarah. They can't go back on everything. 1632 01:58:07,079 --> 01:58:08,354 They're a titan of industry. 1633 01:58:08,439 --> 01:58:09,775 They can do whatever the hell they want. 1634 01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:10,948 Nothing else matters. 1635 01:58:11,039 --> 01:58:12,597 They can fight you all they want. 1636 01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:14,359 It doesn't take away from what you've done! 1637 01:58:14,439 --> 01:58:17,671 Of course, it does. That's exactly what it does! 1638 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,350 They want to show the world that it's no use fighting. 1639 01:58:21,439 --> 01:58:24,238 Look, everybody, even he can't crack the maze 1640 01:58:24,319 --> 01:58:25,469 and he's helped build it! 1641 01:58:26,479 --> 01:58:28,356 The system is rigged! 1642 01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:31,516 They want us to think it'll protect us, 1643 01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:32,668 but that's a lie. 1644 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:34,671 We protect us. We do. 1645 01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:36,074 Nobody else. 1646 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,672 Not the companies. Not the scientists. 1647 01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,518 Not the government. Us. 1648 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,150 A farmer with a 12th grade education told me that. 1649 01:58:51,439 --> 01:58:55,831 On day one, he knew and I thought he was crazy. 1650 01:59:03,159 --> 01:59:04,797 Isn't that crazy? 1651 01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:11,110 No. 1652 02:00:16,680 --> 02:00:18,271 All rise. 1653 02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:19,918 The honorable Timothy Burg... 1654 02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:23,470 United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio presiding. 1655 02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:26,119 This court is now in session pursuant to the adjournment. 1656 02:00:26,199 --> 02:00:27,917 Hearye, hearye, hearye. 1657 02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:30,389 All persons having business with this honorable court 1658 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,518 draw near, give their attention and they shall be heard. 1659 02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:36,353 God save the United States and this honorable court. 1660 02:00:36,439 --> 02:00:38,032 Please be seated. 1661 02:00:38,119 --> 02:00:40,509 And we're here this morning for a jury trial. 1662 02:00:41,159 --> 02:00:45,596 So, 3,535 claims. 1663 02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:48,390 At a rate of four or five cases a year, 1664 02:00:48,479 --> 02:00:50,470 we can all expect to be here till... 1665 02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:54,711 Well, the year 2890. If we're lucky. 1666 02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:56,873 Guess we'd better get started. 1667 02:00:57,560 --> 02:00:59,470 Mrs. Johnson, is your attorney present? 1668 02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:01,760 Good morning, Your Honor. 1669 02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:03,033 Rob Bilott for the plaintiff. 1670 02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:05,869 Oh, still here, huh? 1671 02:01:06,840 --> 02:03:07,840 Still here. 127262

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