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The following programme contains distressing scenes.

'They called me the Lebanese Texan.

'I spoke Arabic.'

First they were surprised that an American

would speak their language,

but I still had my Texas accent at the time.

I wish I had known the realities of the intelligence business,

back in 1980,

when I came on board with the CIA.

I was blind. I didn't really know what reality was.

I knew it wasn't Hollywood.

What I know now, if I knew it then,

I would never have joined the intelligence business.

If you're trying to protect your country,

you have to play by the rules of the neighbourhood,

and those are... those are dirty.

The truth needs to be known about this case.

"Pan Am Flight 103 crashed into the Scottish village of Lockerbie."

"270 lives lost."

"It was Britain's worst ever air crash."

"We have no knowledge of how this accident happened.

"We're trying to find out."

It was an attack on America.

Worst crime scene in history. 200,000 pieces of evidence.

My daughter hadn't died in an accident

but had been brutally murdered.

They killed our children. And then be lied to for 30 years.

I think the US Government had an agenda.

Reagan is the biggest terrorist in the world.

If it's up to our government, we might not ever know the truth.

Nothing is what it seems in the Lockerbie story.

And as you guys know, I talk a lot about...

what questions we should be asking, right,

when we are analysing media messages?

And I wanna focus on this image.

What if you knew someone that was on that plane?

So, I'm gonna tell you my story.

December 21st, 1988.

So I was, uh, 17 years old,

and my father was coming home from a business trip in London

when his plane, Pan Am 103, exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland,

due to a bomb that had been placed on board by terrorists.

This was a terrible tragedy for my family to endure.

It was a life-defining moment,

an incident that would absolutely forever change the person I was.

It really changed the way I saw the world, the way I saw myself,

kind of the way I understood everything.

We found out about the plane crash

through a breaking news story. I'm talking, like,

TV on in the kitchen, soap opera on,

newscaster comes on, and my mother hears the news, right?

Oh, there we go. There's... Oh, my.

I haven't even seen these yet.

This is...

Frank.

That's quite a big fish. Yes.

- It is big. - He loved fishing. He was very proud of that moment.

Yes, and, oh, these are old pictures of how young we were at one time.

We met, actually, we were born two days apart

in the same hospital in the Bronx.

We met when we were 15.

We met at a church dance,

and we ended up being dance partners.

And we dated for almost seven years, and then we were married.

To me, he was perfect.

Uh, he worked at Chase Manhattan Bank,

and he was serving in London.

He was coming home for Christmas.

And he was supposed to come home Wednesday morning,

and they asked him to stay.

And he actually called me.

He said, "Would you mind if I came home that night?"

And... I never told him when he could fly and when he couldn't fly.

I said, "Of course, as long as you're coming home."

But he wasn't supposed to be on that plane at the beginning.

We didn't know anything for months and months... you know.

We knew someone put something on the plane,

but we didn't know who, where they came from, why they did it.

We had no information.

You know, when something like this happens, you want to know the truth.

You want to know what happens.

You want to know who's at fault, - who's to blame. - And why.

Somebody, literally, did this purposely to these people.

We understood that what we needed to do

required a total commitment of our time.

You don't... It's not solved in an hour

with commercial breaks, and things like that.

I was with the case for three years,

but assigned to Malta for almost two years.

That's a big commitment. It is a big commitment.

Um... I really had to make a bargain with my, uh, with my wife.

And we all understood why we were here.

By 1990, we were all pretty convinced

that Libya was behind the Pan Am 103 bombing.

Based on baggage records,

we determined that it was here in Malta

that the suitcase containing the bomb was first planted.

And at that point we had two, main potential suspects.

Lamin Fhimah was the Libyan Arab Airlines manager here on Malta,

and he owned a travel agency called Med Tours here on the island.

His friend was Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi

who apparently was an intelligence officer.

Based on the artists' rendition,

Megrahi looked like the person who had bought the clothing

found in and around the suitcase containing the bomb.

But we needed more evidence, you know.

There's still more work to be done.

189 Americans, an American airliner.

Everybody in our government wanted to find out who did this.

And as a result of that, they did something, the CIA did something,

and I won't say it's never happened,

but I will say it's a rarity.

They offered up one of their sources to the FBI.

We were told by the CIA that they had a source in Malta -

Majid Giaka.

They said that he was a double agent,

he had worked at the airport,

but he had left and gone back to Libya,

and they were trying to find him.

The FBI codename for him was Puzzle Piece because he became so critical,

he was a piece of the puzzle.

Giaka volunteered himself.

He walked... We call them "walk-ins." He walked into the Embassy

in Malta, claiming he was affiliated with the Libyan intelligence.

That is the biggest recruitment you can make in our business,

is an intelligence officer from another hostile service.

Most of them end up to be

either kooks or they're directed by the local security service;

they send in walk-ins to our to our offices

to just see what we're up to, what we're interested in.

And then every once in a while you get a gem who is legitimate.

He worked for Libyan Arab Airlines.

We knew it was common practice for the Libyan intelligence service

to use Libyan Arab Airlines as a cover office for their operations.

This is the old Luqa Airport.

Investigation determined that it was here

that the bomb bag...

was actually put on the Air Malta flight to Frankfurt...

and then was transferred to the Pan Am 103 flight out of Heathrow

that blew up over Lockerbie.

Puzzle Piece was working here at Luqa Airport in the luggage area.

The agency had him doubled here

because they wanted him to report who's coming and going from Libya.

The CIA started looking at his reporting.

His reporting was saying that,

around December of 1988...

he actually saw

both Fhimah and Megrahi coming into this airport here...

with a suitcase.

My next question to them was, "Well, where the hell is he?"

Because I'd like to talk to him.

I get a phone call telling me

that CIA the found Majid, he's on a boat,

and they're bringing him to a US ship of some kind to be interviewed.

I get the call and they said, "We got a hold of Puzzle Piece.

"Pack up and head to Naples, Italy."

Got on the helicopter and we were flown out

to a ship in the Mediterranean International Waters.

And I'm anticipating a very aggressive interview

because they'd been intelligence, you know, obviously a double agent,

but I found him credible,

uh, almost to a fault.

He was so honest.

He tells us he knows Megrahi.

Megrahi was in the Libyan Intelligence Service.

He tells us, "I saw Fhimah and Megrahi

come to the airport with a suitcase."

And we show him a photo spread of suitcases,

including the Samsonite Silhouette 4000, antique copper.

He picks that out as the suitcase.

Exactly the same as the one that carried the bomb.

He said Fhimah, because of his job

here as the Libyan Arab Airlines manager,

he was able to circumvent customs with that suitcase.

And then he tells us that Fhimah kept explosives in his desk.

And, you know, why would an airport security manager

keep explosives in his desk?

You scratch your head, but he looks at photo spreads

of various types of explosives and he picks out Semtex...

the explosive that was used to make the bomb.

What we felt was that, at that moment,

we had the people who actually facilitated,

personally facilitated,

that bomb into the airline system

that eventually blew up Pan Am Flight 103,

killing 270 people.

We got the bastards.

Our daughter Helga, she was 19.

She got a place to study music at Lancaster University.

She sang with the National Youth Choir,

and the university professor said he had little doubt

she would have made her mark on the music world.

She wanted to sing professionally.

She took a year out, went to the States

and was working as a nanny.

And came home for that week just before Christmas.

She was going back.

We'd had a lovely week with her.

I was the taxi driver; "Dad, will you drop me off at Emma's?"

And this, that and the other.

I drove her down to Heathrow from Birmingham,

kissed her goodbye.

I remember her walking towards the exit

to go to the plane and she turned round,

put her little bag down and ran back and hugged me.

I wish I could remember what she said, but I... I can't.

But I'd been a rather stern father at times.

I can remember saying to her, "Helga, I do love you."

"It doesn't always look like it, but I do."

And er...

And off she went.

All these fields of bodies.

She was found. You see the...

You see the hedge that's running down the hillside there?

Well, she was just this side of that.

Just this side.

Yep.

"Britain and America accuse two Libyan intelligence officers

"of destroying Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie.

"They demand Colonel Gaddafi hands over the wanted men.

President Bush says,

"An international response is being considered."

"The men have been named as Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed al-Megrahi

"and Al-Amin Khalifa Fhimah.

"The Americans say they travelled from Libya to Malta."

We were elated that finally two individuals were indicted,

and hopefully were going to be brought to justice.

I don't know, I guess...

I guess I was... I guess, in a way, I was happy

that they found someone that did it to them.

But I really... I can't explain it to you,

I just... It didn't change anything for me.

I didn't... I didn't get a satisfaction out of...

OK, you know, so now bring Frank back.

"Some of the relatives of Americans who've died on Flight 103

"have made it clear they expect their government to take decisive action."

It was a military strike against the American flag on Pan Am Flight 103.

And these Libyan intelligence officers were used as soldiers.

"Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi is accused

"of being the mastermind of the Pan Am 103 bombing.

"But he vigorously denies it."

"Fhimah, who also worked for the Libyan airline,

"also denies any role in the bombing."

"Warrants are out for the pair,

"but no one expects Libya's Gaddafi to give them up."

It is considered unlikely

that they will be arrested in the ordinary, normal way.

'We knew it was a waiting game.'

It was going to be up to Gaddafi to decide to extradite them.

Chances are, we're not going to get anybody

to come and stand trial.

There was nothing else we could do in Malta.

Nothing else we could do in the United States,

or in Scotland. We're done.

"Colonel Gaddafi took a look at pictures of the two Libyan agents,

"Britain and the United States say carried out the attack

"and declared that the men weren't guilty."

"Even if they were," he said, "he wouldn't hand them over."

"I'm joined now by Dr Jim Swire

"in Birmingham, the spokesman of the UK Families Flight 103.

"Dr Swire, what's been your reaction to today's events?"

"My reaction to hearing these two names

"and seeing them written down today is similar to how I felt

"when someone told me my daughter hadn't just died

"in an accident, but been brutally murdered.

"It gives you a shiver down the spine to know

"that human beings could sink to this level,

"and, obviously, the next step is the question

"of how to bring these two men to justice."

Following the naming of the two suspects,

essentially, in the West, it was confidently said,

"Of course, Gaddafi will never hand them over."

And that was where the idea dawned in my mind

that perhaps I could help

to go and see him and see if I could persuade him

to allow these two to be handed over for trial.

As powerful as the grief,

was the determination to see that the manner of her death

was dealt with justly and properly and truthfully.

I still, of course, felt extremely nervous

about going to see Gaddafi,

who I thought might either take me prisoner,

or have me shot, or something like that.

Gaddafi hadn't got an extremely good reputation for being a good man,

and so we were worried whether he would come back in one piece.

You didn't ever say to him,

"I don't think you should be going?" Or...

I didn't think it would make any difference if I said that, no.

I think she thought I was absolutely crazy to go anywhere near him,

as indeed, perhaps I was, but then, I was pretty crazy at that time

because of the freshness of the bereavement.

I'd have done anything I could.

Gaddafi definitely suffered from grandiose delusions.

He believed that he was... he was not an ordinary man.

He was, if you like, a political messiah.

He started to crack down on all types of dissent.

Libya was a country ruled by fear

where people could not criticise or dare to be against him.

That was an interesting journey.

I told nobody but Jane what I was up to

because I thought

our intelligence people would stop me going if they knew.

To start with it all seemed quite normal.

Then we go straight along this road.

Dead end.

Wall about 12, 15 feet high.

No apparent way through.

Car stops and the centre section of the wall moved vertically upwards.

And what do we see? Under the lower end,

there were steel teeth, which were about erm...

three or four feet long, pointing downwards.

So that if they changed their mind

when your car was halfway through the gap,

chonk, it would have come down and impaled the car on the teeth.

I was so determined that I wasn't scared.

Nervous, yes, but not scared.

So, I went in, getting nearer Gaddafi now,

and we were parked in a waiting area in the desert.

And then a message came over this radio saying, "OK, now."

So, we started off up these flagstones through the desert.

Pitch black.

And I said, "Colonel, I'm very pleased to see you

"because I'm very keen to talk to you."

And I had a briefcase.

Round the edge of this space

was a ring of female soldiers,

and each of them had an AK-47.

And as I opened the case,

you could hear click, click, click...

as the safety catches came off.

They weren't trusting me one inch.

But Gaddafi had decided he was going to trust me.

Suppose he was brave, he would say,

because a lot of people tried to kill him at one time or another.

And in the briefcase was a file

full of pictures of Flora at various ages.

He then asked me why I'd come, and I said to him, "Well, look,

"two of your men have been accused of the Lockerbie disaster,

"and I think the only way to find out if that's true or not

"is to have them tried in a proper court of law."

"Is there anything you could do to ease the situation?"

After about 40 minutes I felt it was time to go...

and I took one more thing out of my briefcase,

and that was a little badge,

and it said on it: "Lockerbie. The truth must be known."

I went up to him,

and I pinned that badge on his lapel.

And again, you could hear a click, click, click.

And when I left his presence that time,

he was wearing that badge on his lapel.

I thought it's a good for him to acknowledge the truth must be known.

"Libya has again denied any involvement in the bombing

"of the Pan Am jet over Lockerbie three years ago."

"US and British authorities have charged the two men.

"The UN has imposed sanctions on Tripoli

"for refusing to hand them over."

Well, a number of years went past before it became clear

that Libya was not going to surrender them.

The Iran and Libya Sanctions Bill I signed today will help to deny

those countries the money they need to finance international terrorism.

American companies and many European companies were not allowed

to export anything to Libya

including medicines and vital things for human life.

So, those sanctions hurt the Libyan population.

We urge Libya to end its ten years of evasion now.

The suspects should be surrendered for trial promptly.

"At a service in Lockerbie...

"and a ceremony in London,

"bereaved relatives and local people offered their own respects.

"On the memorial,

"which names all who died, families touched their loved one."

Our thoughts and prayers today are with the families and friends

of those 270 people from so many countries

whose lives were tragically taken in the Lockerbie bombing ten years ago.

'Turn back the clock.'

Let it be seven o'clock on the evening of December 21st, 1988.

The pressures of personal grief have been compounded,

for many, by the frustrations of the fight for answers.

Why is it taking so long... to find answers?

"So, the years of diplomatic efforts have finally paid off,

"with a handover of the two Libyan suspects."

Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi

and Al-Amin Khalifa Fhimah have been arrested by officers

from Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary.

This unique trial is expected to be the longest

and costliest one in British legal history.

"Two alleged Libyan intelligence agents facing charges of murder,

"conspiracy and intentionally destroying a plane,

"handed over for trial by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi

"after years of harsh economic sanctions."

Gaddafi felt that the Libyan population was suffering

and they might rebel against him.

So, he had a motive. He handed over the two suspects

to lift those sanctions for his own survival

and his own regime stability.

There had been a lot of backdoor discussions.

Gaddafi, I'm sure, was led to believe there was no real case.

At stake here is charge one, really, on the indictment.

At stake is the conspiracy-to-murder charge.

And that's the question, the main question, before the court.

When the agreement was finally reached that Fhimah

and Megrahi would be surrendered for trial,

the agreement was that the trial would be before

a judge-only court

and in a neutral territory.

In terms of jurisdiction,

because the bomb exploded above Scotland,

Scottish judges were trying the case.

And so Camp Zeist had to be declared as part of Scotland.

The Lockerbie Trial Briefing Unit was established

to assist the international press and news agencies

in understanding the trial

and the peculiarities of the Scottish legal system.

"11 years they have fought for justice.

"For the relatives of those who died in the Lockerbie bombing,

"this was a day they had prayed for and yet were dreading."

I am not looking forward to today.

I am very, very, uh...

frightened, and very anxious.

This is why we're here. This is my daughter, this is Theo Cohen.

She was 20 years old when she was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland,

over 11 years ago.

We'll be sitting through. We've been at this 11 and a half years.

They killed our children. We're not going away.

I think most of the Americans were stunned that...

it was agreed that they were going to be turned over

to a neutral place to stand trial under Scottish law.

And there's quite a bit of a difference

between Scottish law and American law.

Under Scottish law, there is no death penalty,

there's no life imprisonment without parole.

So, we were horrified that this was supposed to be,

you know, the trial of the century

that was going to bring justice to our loved ones.

Call me obsessed, or what you like,

I was determined to extract all the information I could from the trial.

We arranged to live in Holland,

and we set up a flat there.

It's always wise to look for some good things,

even in the darkest events.

You can't change it, you can't turn the clock back

and make it un-happen.

We've become very, very good friends with Jim and Jane.

I took an apartment in Holland with Dr Swire.

We went together and we stayed for the whole of the trial.

We feel very relieved that today we actually see this court,

which has been the target of so much effort on our part,

about to commence sitting.

"The two accused were taken from their prison to court

"in a bulletproof vehicle.

"Their relatives had flown in from Libya, arriving at court

"under the watchful eye of a massive media presence."

I want them to see my daughter's picture.

I'm gonna say, "This is what you did."

I lost four on that plane, my daughter was pregnant.

I'd like to see them get executed.

I'm sorry, that's how I feel about it.

I had been exposed, as all of us had been,

to the publicity, the negative publicity about Libya,

about Gaddafi,

supplying the IRA, supporting terrorism allegedly,

the Mad Dog of Africa.

There was an assumption abroad, generally,

that these two Libyans were clearly guilty,

and they were just two intelligence agents that had been caught.

And there must be a lot of evidence against them.

So, you're human, and may be a lawyer.

And I went there, I admit, thinking,

"What on earth am I going to confront?

"Am I going to confront two evil murderers, mass murderers?"

But very soon I became much more, er, happy with my role

and my belief in my client.

"The prosecution will seek to prove that the two Libyans

"hatched their bombing plot in Malta,

"that they put together a Semtex device

"inside a Toshiba cassette recorder,

"wrapped it in clothes bought from this shop in Malta,

"then hid it inside a Samsonite suitcase.

"It's alleged that, then using stolen airline tags,

"they put the suitcase unaccompanied on an Air Malta flight

"that was routed through Frankfurt and on to Heathrow,

"where it was placed on Pan Am Flight 103.

"It's a case which has to be proved

"beyond reasonable doubts."

Edwin Bollier...

I remember his physical appearance being quite...

striking, he looked quite unusual.

Mr Bollier owned a company called Mebo Ltd, which was in Zurich...

who, the court concluded, had manufactured

the timing device that detonated the bomb.

And a fragment of the timing device was found in Lockerbie.

And Mr Bollier had provided a number of statements

wherein he said that he was the producer of MST-13 timers,

and that the majority of those had been supplied to Libya.

Mr Megrahi had very close connections with Edwin Bollier

and the Libyan authorities had close connections with Mebo limited.

We just assume he's a Westerner,

he is not connected to the Libyan government,

other than through business,

and we assumed that he would get on the stand

and tell the same story

that he told us in 1991.

I was kind of amazed at what he said.

All of a sudden, he wasn't quite as certain

that his timer blew up Pan Am 103.

In 1990,

he was pretty clear about,

"Yeah, I made that," and ten years later he wasn't quite so sure.

"Maybe it wasn't my fragment that did that."

One reading of the information that was available

was that he realised, after giving initial statements,

that he'd spoken against the interests of Libya

and there was an element of backtracking perhaps going on.

But when the police first came here in 1990,

did you not confirm

that the fragment WAS from one of the timers

you sold to the Libyans?

I should make it clear that I consider the evidence

about PT/35B produced to the court,

to be a falsehood from beginning to end.

From the very beginning, it seemed to me quite remarkable...

that a very telling tiny, tiny fragment

should miraculously be found

in the wilds outside Lockerbie.

And there was a lot of doubt, first of all,

about where this was found...

by whom it was found,

how it was labelled by the police.

It was not examined, that was the evidence in court,

for any explosive residue.

Now, any forensic scientist you ever speak to

would regard it as absolutely the first thing that you would do.

Because this was the fragment, let's remember,

that was used to link Libya to the timer and to the bomb.

So, do you think that the Scottish police

tampered with the evidence?

If somebody was going to manufacture evidence,

I just... I don't believe that.

I just... It's beyond my comprehension

because it's one thing if the fragment just shows up:

"Oh, look what I found on the street corner."

But I know the origins of where it came from

and how the Scottish cops got it.

Nobody was going to get into that place

and put it in the evidence chain.

It couldn't happen.

"Now the Lockerbie trial has heard crucial evidence

"linking the two Libyan accused to the place

"where it's claimed the bomb was originally planted.

"The court at Camp Zeist in the Netherlands was told

"that items bought by one of the men in Malta

"were in the same suitcase as the device

"which blew up flight Pan Am 103."

"Giving evidence, the shop owner, Tony Gauci, said

"a Libyan man resembling Megrahi had been in his shop

"about a fortnight before Christmas, 1988."

Tony Gauci was built up that he was this smoking gun.

The clothing fragments from the case that contained the bomb

were traced through their labels back to the shop

that was owned by Tony Gauci,

and Tony Gauci gave evidence,

though equivocal evidence,

that the man he'd sold the clothing to was Mr Megrahi.

Now, out of all of that, the most controversial,

even at the time of the trial, was Mr Gauci's identification.

In advance of the trial starting, an identity parade takes place.

A couple of days before Tony Gauci is flying over

to do the identification,

he is in possession of a magazine with a picture of Megrahi in it.

He's also told that Megrahi's going to be in the line-up.

Where would you like to stand?

Apparently, they couldn't find any other Libyans.

Megrahi's the only Libyan - in that line-up. - Well, it's, yeah...

It's that kind of, you know, that ridiculous.

And the idea is you get people that look like the person

that the witness has described.

Even with all of that, he doesn't say it's definitely him.

Tony Gauci, the impression I got,

was that he and his brother were under some pressure

to er... accommodate the police inquiry.

It was quite difficult to establish

just how many statements this man had given.

But what is clear is that his recollection

of critical matters varied hugely.

Tony Gauci was a simple, decent businessman,

eking out a living in this shop.

I think he had a couple of shops with his brother and his father.

The police show up in the biggest case

in the history of Malta and started asking him questions.

I honestly think he was just a man

that was trying to be honest

and tell the truth to the best of his recollection.

What the judges say about Tony Gauci is,

"We thought he was credible."

His uncertainty

almost added to his credibility

because it was 12 years after the event.

But, of course, we found out subsequently a lot of things

that weren't known at the time of the trial,

and if they were, would have completely demolished

any credibility that he had.

Such as him being paid a lot of money

after the trial.

And not only was Tony Gauci paid money,

but his brother, Paul Gauci, was also paid money.

We didn't know what the threat to Tony Gauci was,

and I believe that an FBI agent said,

"We can get some money to help re-locate him

"for his safety and protection."

How much money are we talking here?

They got millions.

I think a million dollars.

Two million dollars, I think, for Tony Gauci, a million for Paul.

He was never called as a witness,

so what was he getting one million dollars for?

He didn't say anything at the trial.

You can't have people being paid.

It is totally contrary to the interests of justice.

The trial period was a very difficult one for me

because at the beginning of it, I still believed

that our government had been telling us the truth as best they knew it.

But it seemed the intelligence services of Britain and America

had other things in mind than truth and justice.

"In one of these cars, we haven't been told which,

"is a witness from Libya who could decide the outcome

"of Britain's biggest murder trial.

"Abdul Majid was once a Libyan secret agent

"and now fears that his former Libyan colleagues want to kill him."

"Before daybreak, the high security transfer

"of the prosecution's precious cargo.

"Abdul Majid Giaka is the super-grass

"billed as the Lockerbie-trial star witness.

"On the day he finally came to court,

"he told how, as a Libyan intelligence agent,

"he worked with the two Lockerbie suspects."

"From behind a screen, with his voice disguised electronically,

"Abdul Majid told the court

"how Libyan intelligence planned the bombing.

"He claimed that the two accused were fully involved.

"It was at Malta airport, Abdul Majid said, that he was shown

"high explosives stored in the Libyan Airlines office,

"and how he saw the two accused handling a brown suitcase

"like the one placed on board Pan Am 103.

"Abdul Majid claimed that before the bombing

"he passed all this on to his CIA handlers."

You were Giaka's handler? Yes, I became his handler.

What did make of him, you know, in your first few meetings?

Did you think, you know, - this guy could be the real deal? - No.

No, I think he was a manipulator and a shyster.

He was looking for a pay-out for himself.

I had spent most of my life in the Middle East.

I started out in the Navy in the mid-'70s.

I had gone to the University of Texas for my graduate degree,

which is where the CIA had recruited me.

I had already worked the Libyan Op, specifically for over a year,

so I had handled a lot of true Libyan intelligence officers.

It was very clear from the beginning in my meetings with him

that he wasn't in the Libyan intelligence service.

He did provide services to them,

but he was not a Libyan case officer.

He would tell us comings and goings, who was coming and going.

He talked about Fhimah and Megrahi coming in and out of Malta,

that was routine for them.

But at the time of the bombing,

he never mentioned to us anything about any knowledge at all

about the Pan Am bombing.

He was asked that question.

Now, at that time, we were focused on Iran, not Libya.

But, of course, Libya could have been a suspect.

We had to eliminate that possibility. But he knew nothing about it.

He would have told us if he knew anything was happening.

It doesn't make logical sense that he would hide it then,

but all of sudden later know everything.

He was looking for more money, he was looking for a possible resettlement.

He's a smart enough guy, he's a cagey enough guy to know:

"Well, this is my end. Yes, I know everything. I know everything.

"I was there. I saw... I saw them do it."

And so, of course, the FBI was brought in

to take over the handling of him.

And were you surprised at how seriously the took him?

No.

The FBI are primarily cops.

They're cops.

They look at it from a cop's perspective,

and they're put in charge of the Lockerbie investigation,

and they're going after Libya, they've made the decision.

So, you get this guy walking in, a former CIA agent,

who has initially claimed to be a true Libyan intelligence officer.

They grabbed him immediately.

This can make their case. This will make the FBI look good.

We did speak to one former CIA who handled Giaka for a while,

and he questions Giaka's credibility as a source.

I know who that is, and I've never met him.

And I have my own private thoughts,

and I'm just going to leave it at that.

"Two Libyans are on trial at a court set up in the Netherlands.

"They've always insisted they are innocent.

"The prosecution has hung much of its case

"on the man who was on the stand today."

"The former double agent is now facing

"cross-examination by a defence seeking to undermine the credibility

"of a man who stands to collect a $4 million reward

"if the two suspects are convicted."

He was such a dreadful witness.

He actually did a lot more good for the defence

than you could ever imagine.

I mean, for a start, the judge has made it clear

they didn't believe really anything he said, except for one thing.

They chose to believe what he said about Megrahi

and his links to the intelligence service in Libya.

Rightly or wrongly, they accepted that bit.

But the rest of his evidence,

they totally discounted, totally discounted.

None of my testimony was ever provided to the court.

Giaka's testimony, I thought, "This is...

"This is BS. This is...

"the government, you know, manipulating the evidence

"to get whatever outcome that they wanted."

It was confusing to understand what was going on,

even to understand the admissibility, or inadmissibility,

and everything else, and who was being put on.

And this person is being put on as an expert witness.

I mean...

to us it was... it was quite a sham.

I certainly have never had any reason to question his honesty.

Everything that he said we were able to substantiate.

We proved a lot of the things that he told the CIA.

I never believed that Libya did it.

Our government and US Presidents have hated Gaddafi

since he took over in 1969.

He kicked all of the American oil companies out of Libya,

he confiscated our biggest air base anywhere in the world.

I think the US government had an agenda.

"The court that has heard 84 days

"and three million words of evidence,

"is ready for the final day

"of Britain's biggest mass murder trial."

It wasn't until near the end of the trial

that I realised I could not continue

to believe that there was a cogent body of evidence

that justified the finding of either of these two men guilty.

There was another flight, er, nine months after.

Same perpetrators, same state,

same method. These two flights are completely connected.

We developed quite a love for our boy, as we called him.

We desperately wanted to know who he was.

And, if it's possible, to contact the family.

Some people call you a conspiracy theorist.

How does that make you feel? The evidence that was used in court

was, in fact, false.

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