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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:20,003 --> 00:00:23,000 HART [CHUCKLES]: No, I can't shoot this. 4 00:00:23,002 --> 00:00:24,017 This is private. This is private. 5 00:00:24,019 --> 00:00:26,009 This is not important to show. Okay. 6 00:00:26,011 --> 00:00:28,006 Clear the way. 7 00:00:28,008 --> 00:00:29,015 Here we go. 8 00:00:29,017 --> 00:00:31,022 [♪♪] 9 00:00:31,024 --> 00:00:33,011 Good morning, world. 10 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:35,004 Good morning, Evan. 11 00:00:35,006 --> 00:00:37,008 Mikey. Get a shot of Mike. 12 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:39,002 Good morning, Mike. 13 00:00:39,004 --> 00:00:40,003 Good morning, D. 14 00:00:40,005 --> 00:00:41,008 DANA: Good morning. 15 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:42,024 EVAN: Good morning, Michael. 16 00:00:42,026 --> 00:00:45,009 HART: So, Evan, where do you want me to stand for the shot? 17 00:00:45,011 --> 00:00:47,000 EVAN: Uh... 18 00:00:47,002 --> 00:00:49,006 Where do you want me to stand? 19 00:00:49,008 --> 00:00:51,010 Right here? EVAN: A little back. 20 00:00:51,012 --> 00:00:53,001 Take another step back? Yeah. 21 00:00:53,003 --> 00:00:55,006 Big step back. Oh, no. 22 00:00:57,006 --> 00:00:59,017 Oh, I'm so mad now. 23 00:00:59,019 --> 00:01:00,026 Oh. 24 00:01:00,028 --> 00:01:02,029 EVAN: We'll see you later. 25 00:01:03,001 --> 00:01:05,019 [HUMMING] 26 00:01:05,021 --> 00:01:07,013 Whoo... 27 00:01:07,015 --> 00:01:09,026 Look at the sky. 28 00:01:09,028 --> 00:01:12,011 EVAN: Okay, I'll interview you, Mom. 29 00:01:12,013 --> 00:01:13,014 Okay, hi. 30 00:01:13,016 --> 00:01:14,024 How do you like the trip? 31 00:01:14,026 --> 00:01:15,029 I love this trip, 32 00:01:16,001 --> 00:01:18,009 but I don't love it more than you. 33 00:01:18,011 --> 00:01:20,003 Are you sure? Yeah. 34 00:01:20,005 --> 00:01:22,003 Paradise. I like paradise. 35 00:01:22,005 --> 00:01:23,011 There's Daddy. 36 00:01:23,013 --> 00:01:24,019 EVAN: Dad, Yeah. 37 00:01:24,021 --> 00:01:26,017 what do you think about the trip? 38 00:01:26,019 --> 00:01:28,007 Well, you know, 39 00:01:28,009 --> 00:01:31,006 I'm really glad you asked me that question, Evan. 40 00:01:31,008 --> 00:01:34,007 Since I like this trip so much, 41 00:01:34,009 --> 00:01:35,021 you know what it makes me do? 42 00:01:35,023 --> 00:01:36,024 What? 43 00:01:36,026 --> 00:01:39,020 It makes me want to jump right over you. 44 00:01:39,022 --> 00:01:41,007 Whoa... 45 00:01:42,022 --> 00:01:44,027 DANA: Very impressive. EVAN: Yes. 46 00:01:46,023 --> 00:01:49,019 So now we're going to get the house. 47 00:01:50,028 --> 00:01:53,023 There's Michael's room. 48 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:56,018 And we're getting closer to Michael, 49 00:01:56,020 --> 00:01:58,022 the sleeping baby. 50 00:02:02,004 --> 00:02:04,010 How do you like the trip, Michael? 51 00:02:06,012 --> 00:02:08,027 So now you have to meet 52 00:02:08,029 --> 00:02:11,005 the cameraman. 53 00:02:11,007 --> 00:02:14,009 Am I good or am I bad? 54 00:02:14,011 --> 00:02:16,016 We'll have that in... 55 00:02:18,022 --> 00:02:20,027 5.5 seconds. 56 00:02:24,028 --> 00:02:27,003 [♪♪] 57 00:02:35,005 --> 00:02:37,008 [SAW BUZZING] 58 00:02:58,008 --> 00:03:00,011 [PROJECTOR CLICKING] 59 00:03:58,014 --> 00:03:59,018 I was at my, uh-- 60 00:03:59,020 --> 00:04:02,007 In my room in my boarding school when my, uh-- 61 00:04:02,009 --> 00:04:03,011 My dad called me 62 00:04:03,013 --> 00:04:06,020 and told that Evan had jumped out of the-- 63 00:04:06,022 --> 00:04:08,002 Out of his window. 64 00:04:08,004 --> 00:04:10,009 [♪♪] 65 00:04:16,028 --> 00:04:18,021 [STARTS ENGINE] 66 00:04:34,019 --> 00:04:37,028 It was sort of the third week of school, 67 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,012 I think, that he-- 68 00:04:39,014 --> 00:04:41,029 He chose to take his life. 69 00:04:54,026 --> 00:04:58,001 I went into my mother's room 70 00:04:58,003 --> 00:05:00,017 and... 71 00:05:00,019 --> 00:05:03,010 I realized the sentence that had to come out of my mouth. 72 00:05:03,012 --> 00:05:04,024 I had to communicate to them 73 00:05:04,026 --> 00:05:07,008 why I was coming in there 74 00:05:07,010 --> 00:05:09,020 and why I was reaching out for them and... 75 00:05:09,022 --> 00:05:11,000 [SNIFFLES] 76 00:05:11,002 --> 00:05:12,018 You know, I had to say, 77 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:14,015 "Evan's killed himself." 78 00:05:48,024 --> 00:05:51,001 One of the things that you do, I think-- 79 00:05:51,003 --> 00:05:54,025 Or at least that I do unconsciously, 80 00:05:54,027 --> 00:05:59,014 to avoid things that are really too painful to... 81 00:05:59,016 --> 00:06:00,028 confront. 82 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,018 --is just black them out. 83 00:06:02,020 --> 00:06:07,010 How-- How can you understand doing that? 84 00:06:07,012 --> 00:06:09,014 It doesn't seem possible. 85 00:06:09,016 --> 00:06:13,003 What on Earth has happened to make your son so miserable 86 00:06:13,005 --> 00:06:15,005 that he doesn't want to be there anymore. 87 00:06:15,007 --> 00:06:17,012 [♪♪] 88 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:26,027 [THUNDER CRASHES] 89 00:07:21,019 --> 00:07:23,024 DANA: We'll never know what was in Evan's head 90 00:07:23,026 --> 00:07:25,029 the night he killed himself. 91 00:07:38,027 --> 00:07:41,009 The mystery will always be 92 00:07:41,011 --> 00:07:43,013 what his thought was when he was on the ledge. 93 00:07:43,015 --> 00:07:45,009 You know, as he put one foot over the-- 94 00:07:45,011 --> 00:07:46,019 The window, 95 00:07:46,021 --> 00:07:48,000 and made that decision. 96 00:07:49,027 --> 00:07:53,001 Maybe he started to realize that 97 00:07:53,003 --> 00:07:56,002 his mental illness was so powerful 98 00:07:56,004 --> 00:07:58,012 and that he couldn't win. 99 00:07:58,014 --> 00:08:00,014 MAN: "He that raised up Jesus from the dead 100 00:08:00,016 --> 00:08:04,009 "will also give life to our mortal bodies, 101 00:08:04,011 --> 00:08:05,024 "in the sure and certain hope 102 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:07,026 "of the resurrection to eternal life 103 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:10,013 "through our Lord Jesus Christ, 104 00:08:10,015 --> 00:08:14,001 "we commend to almighty God our brother Evan, 105 00:08:14,003 --> 00:08:16,012 "and we commit his body to the ground. 106 00:08:16,014 --> 00:08:19,001 "Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, 107 00:08:19,003 --> 00:08:20,027 dust to dust." 108 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,001 Amen. 109 00:08:22,003 --> 00:08:24,001 GROUP: Amen. 110 00:08:24,003 --> 00:08:25,012 DANA: How's it possible 111 00:08:25,014 --> 00:08:28,018 that I found myself at his funeral 112 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:31,000 holding my baby for the last time? 113 00:08:32,012 --> 00:08:34,015 [♪♪] [PROJECTOR CLICKING] 114 00:08:51,024 --> 00:08:53,003 The day Evan was born 115 00:08:53,005 --> 00:08:55,015 was the happiest day of my life. 116 00:09:00,007 --> 00:09:01,012 It's indescribable. 117 00:09:01,014 --> 00:09:04,006 It-it was indescribable happiness 118 00:09:04,008 --> 00:09:06,021 to finally see him, because when you're pregnant 119 00:09:06,023 --> 00:09:08,020 you start to have a relationship with the baby 120 00:09:08,022 --> 00:09:10,007 and it's, like, moving around and... 121 00:09:10,009 --> 00:09:11,026 You know, who are you? Knock-knock. 122 00:09:11,028 --> 00:09:13,012 Who's there? 123 00:09:15,005 --> 00:09:16,016 And then he comes out and, uh, 124 00:09:16,018 --> 00:09:18,019 Evan was particularly pretty. 125 00:09:18,021 --> 00:09:21,015 I just fell in love with him right away. 126 00:09:21,017 --> 00:09:23,022 [♪♪] 127 00:09:39,017 --> 00:09:42,027 HART: Well, I actually filmed Evan getting born 128 00:09:42,029 --> 00:09:44,021 and I was very excited. 129 00:09:44,023 --> 00:09:47,028 As I recall, I gave the camera to the doctor 130 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,024 and he did a shot also. 131 00:09:55,007 --> 00:09:57,023 DANA: I was 26 when Evan was born. 132 00:09:57,025 --> 00:09:59,024 Hart was 42, he already had a son 133 00:09:59,026 --> 00:10:01,018 from a previous relationship. 134 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:03,022 But Evan was my first. 135 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:05,005 Hart and I are filmmakers 136 00:10:05,007 --> 00:10:07,019 and at that time Hart was shooting away a lot 137 00:10:07,021 --> 00:10:09,000 and he was gone a lot of the time. 138 00:10:09,002 --> 00:10:12,004 So Evan and I ended up being alone together. 139 00:10:12,006 --> 00:10:14,003 He was young, I was young. 140 00:10:14,005 --> 00:10:17,007 We were like these two little creatures, 141 00:10:17,009 --> 00:10:19,013 trying to help each other out a little bit. 142 00:10:19,015 --> 00:10:21,015 [LAUGHING] 143 00:10:21,017 --> 00:10:22,025 Yes. 144 00:10:22,027 --> 00:10:23,027 Yes. 145 00:10:23,029 --> 00:10:24,028 What's this? 146 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,007 HART: Okay, we-- 147 00:10:26,009 --> 00:10:28,004 We're gonna have an interview with the mom. 148 00:10:28,006 --> 00:10:30,019 So, Mom... 149 00:10:30,021 --> 00:10:32,013 what do you think about your kid? 150 00:10:32,015 --> 00:10:33,016 Kid? 151 00:10:33,018 --> 00:10:35,014 Oh, yeah, this thing. 152 00:10:35,016 --> 00:10:38,004 Well, think that-- I think that it's really 153 00:10:38,006 --> 00:10:40,006 just the most special thing, 154 00:10:40,008 --> 00:10:42,014 to give him big kisses. 155 00:10:42,016 --> 00:10:44,004 [BLOWS RASPBERRY] 156 00:10:46,029 --> 00:10:48,015 Really, I think that's the best part 157 00:10:48,017 --> 00:10:49,027 of it all. 158 00:10:49,029 --> 00:10:52,020 NICHOLAS: I remember the first time I met Evan. 159 00:10:52,022 --> 00:10:55,013 Dana had come home from the hospital. 160 00:10:55,015 --> 00:10:58,003 I think I had actually been away with my mother 161 00:10:58,005 --> 00:11:01,026 while he was born and my dad came 162 00:11:01,028 --> 00:11:03,015 and picked me up at my apartment. 163 00:11:03,017 --> 00:11:05,026 I was living on Mercer Street with my mom. 164 00:11:05,028 --> 00:11:07,018 And he said, 165 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:10,002 "We're going to meet your little brother." 166 00:11:10,004 --> 00:11:14,000 There's this photograph of me, um, 167 00:11:14,002 --> 00:11:17,012 taken during my first encounter with Evan 168 00:11:17,014 --> 00:11:19,022 and my expression sort of sums it all up. 169 00:11:19,024 --> 00:11:22,011 It's, "what the fuck is this?" 170 00:11:22,013 --> 00:11:26,004 [CHUCKLES] Sort of holding this baby in my arms thinking, 171 00:11:26,006 --> 00:11:28,015 you know, "where did he come from?" 172 00:11:28,017 --> 00:11:30,027 So-- So what--? Who's your brother? 173 00:11:30,029 --> 00:11:31,029 Nicky. 174 00:11:32,001 --> 00:11:33,012 Do you like your brother Nicky? 175 00:11:33,014 --> 00:11:34,023 [MUMBLES] 176 00:11:34,025 --> 00:11:36,003 So how old are you, Evan? 177 00:11:36,005 --> 00:11:38,025 Um... I old-- 178 00:11:38,027 --> 00:11:40,006 I older. 179 00:11:40,008 --> 00:11:41,019 You're older? How old? 180 00:11:41,021 --> 00:11:43,007 Um, really old. 181 00:11:43,009 --> 00:11:45,017 Look at Daddy. Look at Daddy's camera when you say that. 182 00:11:45,019 --> 00:11:47,008 I'm really old. 183 00:11:47,010 --> 00:11:49,011 You're really old? How old? 184 00:11:49,013 --> 00:11:50,028 Like, big old. 185 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,017 Are you big? Yeah. 186 00:11:52,019 --> 00:11:53,022 How big are you? 187 00:11:53,024 --> 00:11:55,003 T-- 188 00:11:55,005 --> 00:11:56,011 Real big? 189 00:11:56,013 --> 00:11:57,028 Big as a dinosaur? 190 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,006 I remember his first 191 00:12:00,008 --> 00:12:02,011 word that he used over and over and over again, 192 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:03,013 was, "no." 193 00:12:03,015 --> 00:12:06,007 And we used to joke it was "no" 194 00:12:06,009 --> 00:12:08,009 because he heard the word "no" so much 195 00:12:08,011 --> 00:12:10,022 because as soon as he was walking around 196 00:12:10,024 --> 00:12:12,028 he would get into everything. 197 00:12:14,001 --> 00:12:15,026 [GROUP LAUGHS] 198 00:12:15,028 --> 00:12:17,026 GROUP: Aw... 199 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:19,002 WOMAN: Oh, how cute. 200 00:12:19,004 --> 00:12:21,001 [LAUGHTER] 201 00:12:21,003 --> 00:12:24,010 DANA: Evan, no, no. No. 202 00:12:24,012 --> 00:12:26,023 Be gentle. [WHINES] 203 00:12:26,025 --> 00:12:29,000 Oh, come on. "Please let me punch him in the nose." 204 00:12:29,002 --> 00:12:30,012 [LAUGHTER] 205 00:12:30,014 --> 00:12:32,023 NICHOLAS: I think I understood from an early time 206 00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:35,019 that he was a challenging kid. 207 00:12:35,021 --> 00:12:37,009 [CRYING] 208 00:12:37,011 --> 00:12:38,021 MAN: Russell, Russell. 209 00:12:38,023 --> 00:12:40,001 [♪♪] 210 00:12:40,003 --> 00:12:42,014 Getting dressed in the morning I knew was a challenge 211 00:12:42,016 --> 00:12:44,015 if he didn't have the right outfit, 212 00:12:44,017 --> 00:12:47,005 you know, you weren't gonna be leaving the house 213 00:12:47,007 --> 00:12:48,026 for a very long time. 214 00:12:48,028 --> 00:12:50,027 [♪♪] 215 00:12:50,029 --> 00:12:52,029 One summer we were in Nantucket 216 00:12:53,001 --> 00:12:56,016 and we were trying to leave the beach at the end of the day 217 00:12:56,018 --> 00:12:59,006 and I think it took us 45 minutes 218 00:12:59,008 --> 00:13:01,021 to get the towels in the baskets 219 00:13:01,023 --> 00:13:03,014 and start walking home from the beach 220 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:07,006 because Evan wanted the towels to be folded 221 00:13:07,008 --> 00:13:08,020 a certain way, 222 00:13:08,022 --> 00:13:10,016 and put in the basket a certain way 223 00:13:10,018 --> 00:13:12,004 and if they weren't 224 00:13:12,006 --> 00:13:14,027 he would dump them out in the sand 225 00:13:14,029 --> 00:13:16,027 and he'd say, "Start over, start over." 226 00:13:16,029 --> 00:13:19,001 That was his big phrase. 227 00:13:19,003 --> 00:13:21,003 HART: He was a perfectionist. 228 00:13:21,005 --> 00:13:24,003 And this persisted throughout his whole life. 229 00:13:24,005 --> 00:13:26,029 If he wasn't absolutely the best at something, 230 00:13:27,001 --> 00:13:29,016 then he would get frustrated. 231 00:13:29,018 --> 00:13:32,008 And discipline was pretty much impossible. 232 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:34,005 I mean, the way we used to handle it 233 00:13:34,007 --> 00:13:36,006 is we'd say, okay, so you have time-out 234 00:13:36,008 --> 00:13:37,019 and put him in his room. 235 00:13:37,021 --> 00:13:39,012 Well, you put him in his room for time-out 236 00:13:39,014 --> 00:13:42,005 it's like, you know, Keith Moon in a hotel room. 237 00:13:42,007 --> 00:13:45,000 You know, the TV set's out the window, 238 00:13:45,002 --> 00:13:47,019 bookshelves are, you know-- 239 00:13:47,021 --> 00:13:49,001 Crashing over. 240 00:13:49,003 --> 00:13:51,024 And you come in and it's, like, totally destroyed 241 00:13:51,026 --> 00:13:54,021 and do you think he's at all--? 242 00:13:54,023 --> 00:13:56,028 Uh, you know, feels bad about it? 243 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,017 No, it's like, "Okay, so put me in prison. 244 00:13:59,019 --> 00:14:00,028 I wanna go to prison." 245 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,007 NICHOLAS: There is no doubt in my mind 246 00:14:03,009 --> 00:14:06,027 that he had psychological issues. 247 00:14:06,029 --> 00:14:08,018 I guess the best way I can describe it is 248 00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:11,015 he lacked emotional shock absorbers. 249 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,005 And because of that 250 00:14:13,007 --> 00:14:15,025 would react to situations 251 00:14:15,027 --> 00:14:19,018 that you and I would see as insignificant 252 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:22,002 in a really, really big way. 253 00:14:22,004 --> 00:14:23,009 [♪♪] 254 00:14:25,004 --> 00:14:26,027 DANA: Well, really, it was almost like 255 00:14:26,029 --> 00:14:28,010 there were two Evans. 256 00:14:28,012 --> 00:14:30,025 He would be, on the one hand, tantrumming 257 00:14:30,027 --> 00:14:33,020 and being completely impossible to reach. 258 00:14:33,022 --> 00:14:36,004 On the other hand, being this wonderful, 259 00:14:36,006 --> 00:14:38,009 vibrant, vivacious kid. 260 00:14:38,011 --> 00:14:40,019 [♪♪] 261 00:14:45,003 --> 00:14:46,010 EVAN: Hello. 262 00:14:46,012 --> 00:14:47,024 CHRIS: Hello. What's your name? 263 00:14:47,026 --> 00:14:50,020 My name is RoboCop, what's yours? 264 00:14:50,022 --> 00:14:52,003 Nobody. 265 00:14:52,005 --> 00:14:53,018 Well, I'm pullin' you over, 266 00:14:53,020 --> 00:14:55,006 Nobody, 'cause you're speeding. 267 00:14:55,008 --> 00:14:57,012 Ease up on the throttle. 268 00:14:57,014 --> 00:14:58,017 Okay, good night. 269 00:14:58,019 --> 00:15:01,000 Have sweet dreams, goodbye. 270 00:15:01,002 --> 00:15:03,001 [BOTH LAUGH] 271 00:15:03,003 --> 00:15:06,000 DANA: I mean, he was so much fun to be around 272 00:15:06,002 --> 00:15:08,008 and when Michael was born 273 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:09,024 Evan was thrilled. 274 00:15:09,026 --> 00:15:11,015 He finally had a playmate. 275 00:15:11,017 --> 00:15:12,024 They were roommates 276 00:15:12,026 --> 00:15:14,010 and he adored Michael. 277 00:15:14,012 --> 00:15:16,005 Hi, it's me Evan. 278 00:15:16,007 --> 00:15:19,009 That's my little brother and that's my mom. 279 00:15:20,027 --> 00:15:22,026 HART: And what are they doing? 280 00:15:22,028 --> 00:15:24,021 My mom's talk-- 281 00:15:24,023 --> 00:15:26,013 Trying to talk to somebody, 282 00:15:26,015 --> 00:15:29,021 Michael's just sucking on his pacifier. 283 00:15:30,025 --> 00:15:31,027 I couldn't take 'em out 284 00:15:31,029 --> 00:15:33,014 'cause that was too hard to open. 285 00:15:33,016 --> 00:15:35,017 DANA: Okay, what's--? What's Michael saying? 286 00:15:35,019 --> 00:15:36,028 EVAN: He's saying that-- 287 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,018 "I wanna get that dog." [WHINES] 288 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:40,022 That's what he's saying. 289 00:15:40,024 --> 00:15:42,003 Okay, Evan, you wanna film now? 290 00:15:42,005 --> 00:15:44,005 Yeah. Okay. 291 00:15:44,007 --> 00:15:45,024 [EVAN GRUNTS] 292 00:15:45,026 --> 00:15:48,013 EVAN: And that's... 293 00:15:48,015 --> 00:15:50,017 formula. 294 00:15:50,019 --> 00:15:52,001 There's a green shirt, 295 00:15:52,003 --> 00:15:54,024 guess who, it's Daddy. 296 00:15:54,026 --> 00:15:56,011 Four eyes. 297 00:15:56,013 --> 00:15:59,000 Oh, there's inside the toilet. 298 00:15:59,002 --> 00:16:01,013 And there's under the bed, let's go see. 299 00:16:04,008 --> 00:16:06,021 We see red gloves, 300 00:16:06,023 --> 00:16:08,022 we see some socks. 301 00:16:08,024 --> 00:16:09,026 Ready? HART: I'm ready. 302 00:16:09,028 --> 00:16:11,006 Okay, action. 303 00:16:11,008 --> 00:16:13,008 HART: He learned how to read very quickly, 304 00:16:13,010 --> 00:16:15,002 he loved books. 305 00:16:15,004 --> 00:16:18,002 He loved talking about what he was reading. 306 00:16:18,004 --> 00:16:20,001 And he was a great companion, you know, 307 00:16:20,003 --> 00:16:21,010 when you were doin' something. 308 00:16:21,012 --> 00:16:23,010 Going on a trip... 309 00:16:23,012 --> 00:16:24,018 He was a guy who was, 310 00:16:24,020 --> 00:16:26,018 you know, good for an adventure. 311 00:16:30,001 --> 00:16:31,003 MAN: All right, Hart. 312 00:16:31,005 --> 00:16:33,001 DANA: Hart. EVAN: And Evan. 313 00:16:33,003 --> 00:16:35,003 I know, it's tough. And Evan. 314 00:16:35,005 --> 00:16:37,005 And Evan. 315 00:16:37,007 --> 00:16:38,023 DANA: He's a big one. 316 00:16:40,023 --> 00:16:43,011 Beautiful. 317 00:16:43,013 --> 00:16:45,016 Let's see the triumphant fishermen. 318 00:16:45,018 --> 00:16:48,014 [CHEERING] Yes, Nicholas. 319 00:16:48,016 --> 00:16:49,025 Yay! 320 00:16:49,027 --> 00:16:51,004 What do you think, Evan? 321 00:16:51,006 --> 00:16:52,020 What do you think? 322 00:16:52,022 --> 00:16:54,015 Goody! 323 00:16:54,017 --> 00:16:55,019 My camera. 324 00:16:55,021 --> 00:16:58,008 HART: Aw, poor baby boy. 325 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:01,001 He needs to go to Mommy for help. 326 00:17:02,014 --> 00:17:04,009 DANA: Evan was incredibly affectionate, 327 00:17:04,011 --> 00:17:05,012 he was very physical. 328 00:17:05,014 --> 00:17:07,025 Very cuddly. Always cuddling up. 329 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:11,026 Ev, are you a little baby still in Mommy's tummy? 330 00:17:11,028 --> 00:17:14,028 Uh-huh. You haven't even been born yet, have you? 331 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,023 You have to take that intense sweetness 332 00:17:20,025 --> 00:17:22,011 and l-- You know, sensitivity, 333 00:17:22,013 --> 00:17:23,029 and just completely upended 334 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:26,018 into the darkest, scariest... 335 00:17:28,009 --> 00:17:29,024 Uh... 336 00:17:31,021 --> 00:17:34,022 Scary, scary. That's all I can say. 337 00:17:34,024 --> 00:17:38,011 Scary person, scary soul. 338 00:17:38,013 --> 00:17:40,000 The darkest of souls. 339 00:17:40,002 --> 00:17:42,006 [♪♪] [APPLAUSE] 340 00:17:43,025 --> 00:17:45,006 When Evan was in kindergarten 341 00:17:45,008 --> 00:17:48,003 I got a call from the after-school teacher. 342 00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:49,009 She was really concerned 343 00:17:49,011 --> 00:17:51,009 about him talking about suicide. 344 00:17:54,005 --> 00:17:56,026 KAREN: I met Evan when he was 5, 345 00:17:56,028 --> 00:17:59,016 and he came to our program-- Performing arts school. 346 00:17:59,018 --> 00:18:00,029 And, um, 347 00:18:01,001 --> 00:18:02,028 he was probably the cutest kid I've ever seen. 348 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,003 [APPLAUSE] 349 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:07,023 You try not to have favorites 350 00:18:07,025 --> 00:18:09,009 but sometimes it just happens 351 00:18:09,011 --> 00:18:11,028 and he happened to be all the teachers' favorite. 352 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,023 He was just one of the most loving, creative kids, 353 00:18:14,025 --> 00:18:16,011 I've ever met. 354 00:18:18,006 --> 00:18:19,015 Very righteous 355 00:18:19,017 --> 00:18:21,020 and everything had to be fair. 356 00:18:21,022 --> 00:18:25,003 And if someone was giving anyone a hard time 357 00:18:25,005 --> 00:18:26,025 he would be the first one to break it up 358 00:18:26,027 --> 00:18:28,014 and say, "Do you think that was fair? 359 00:18:28,016 --> 00:18:29,020 It wasn't fair." 360 00:18:29,022 --> 00:18:31,014 [♪♪] 361 00:18:31,016 --> 00:18:34,019 But when he was 5 and he was in the younger group 362 00:18:34,021 --> 00:18:38,025 he was obsessed with dying. 363 00:18:40,001 --> 00:18:41,011 You know, jumping out the window 364 00:18:41,013 --> 00:18:42,024 and saying, "I'll kill myself." 365 00:18:42,026 --> 00:18:45,007 And he said a relative had done that. 366 00:18:45,009 --> 00:18:47,026 Every day in group, he would bring that up. 367 00:18:47,028 --> 00:18:51,001 And he would say, "I wanna jump out the window." 368 00:18:51,003 --> 00:18:53,018 He'd say, "I don't care if I die. I don't care." 369 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:55,011 And I said, "Well, what about me?" 370 00:18:55,013 --> 00:18:57,014 And he said, "Well, I'd feel bad for you 371 00:18:57,016 --> 00:18:59,001 "and my parents, but I wouldn't mind 372 00:18:59,003 --> 00:19:01,001 'cause I won't feel anything." 373 00:19:02,009 --> 00:19:03,019 And he would sit in my lap 374 00:19:03,021 --> 00:19:06,009 and have his arm, you know, around me 375 00:19:06,011 --> 00:19:07,024 and he would talk about it, he said, 376 00:19:07,026 --> 00:19:09,023 "No, I would-- I would jump out." 377 00:19:09,025 --> 00:19:11,025 You know, like-- I'm like, wh--? 378 00:19:11,027 --> 00:19:14,013 You know, without being upset, without-- 379 00:19:14,015 --> 00:19:17,018 You know, just being loving and affectionate and... 380 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:19,017 And I said, "Evan, that's just weird talk." 381 00:19:19,019 --> 00:19:20,026 All right? You know, come on. 382 00:19:20,028 --> 00:19:22,018 That's-- That's just weird. 383 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:24,023 I've seen depressed kids 384 00:19:24,025 --> 00:19:26,027 and I've seen, you know, hyper kids. 385 00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:30,028 But not kids who talk about... 386 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 you know, dying. 387 00:19:33,002 --> 00:19:35,009 He was just curious about death. 388 00:19:35,011 --> 00:19:36,023 And even obsessed with it. 389 00:19:36,025 --> 00:19:40,025 DANA: The thing about Evan's obsession with death 390 00:19:40,027 --> 00:19:42,028 was that it was so matter-of-fact. 391 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,018 A lot of times it was just casual. 392 00:19:44,020 --> 00:19:47,013 EVAN: Um, we're in Hawaii. 393 00:19:47,015 --> 00:19:50,007 We were just snorkeling, I saw-- 394 00:19:50,009 --> 00:19:52,014 Uh, we saw an eel, 395 00:19:52,016 --> 00:19:55,009 and now we're gonna go look at some whales. 396 00:19:55,011 --> 00:19:58,007 Maybe we can see Moby Dick's son. 397 00:19:58,009 --> 00:19:59,014 Like, I remember 398 00:19:59,016 --> 00:20:02,001 one time in-in Hawaii... 399 00:20:02,003 --> 00:20:04,016 We're just there snorkeling or something 400 00:20:04,018 --> 00:20:07,024 and he says something like, "By the way, I've got a rifle." 401 00:20:09,001 --> 00:20:10,018 Don't say this at home, 402 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:12,021 kids. 403 00:20:12,023 --> 00:20:14,000 HART: So what? 404 00:20:14,002 --> 00:20:15,025 I got a rifle. 405 00:20:18,005 --> 00:20:19,026 You got a rifle? Yeah. 406 00:20:19,028 --> 00:20:21,005 What do you need a rifle for? 407 00:20:21,007 --> 00:20:23,019 To shoot you. 408 00:20:23,021 --> 00:20:26,010 And you just go, "what?" 409 00:20:26,012 --> 00:20:28,007 Like, what do you mean to sh--? 410 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:29,019 I mean, that's not really funny. 411 00:20:29,021 --> 00:20:32,007 It's not really expressed in a-- 412 00:20:32,009 --> 00:20:34,006 In a way that seems attention-getting. 413 00:20:34,008 --> 00:20:36,012 It seems like, 414 00:20:36,014 --> 00:20:38,005 "Yeah. This is what I think about." 415 00:20:38,007 --> 00:20:42,004 "1997, Evan Perry. 416 00:20:42,006 --> 00:20:44,025 "Perfectionistic, obsessive. 417 00:20:44,027 --> 00:20:48,000 Doesn't like to have things..." 418 00:20:49,004 --> 00:20:50,018 I stopped writing there. 419 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:52,017 "Good athlete, popular... 420 00:20:52,019 --> 00:20:55,010 DANA: When he was 5 we did start seeing a psychiatrist. 421 00:20:55,012 --> 00:20:58,003 "Doing well in school. 422 00:20:58,005 --> 00:21:00,027 Last year fighting, etc." 423 00:21:00,029 --> 00:21:02,025 And very early on, 424 00:21:02,027 --> 00:21:04,000 he diagnosed depression 425 00:21:04,002 --> 00:21:05,022 in Evan and put him on Prozac. 426 00:21:05,024 --> 00:21:07,025 We talked about Prozac, 427 00:21:07,027 --> 00:21:10,013 September 25th, '97. 428 00:21:10,015 --> 00:21:12,016 That was the heyday of where 429 00:21:12,018 --> 00:21:14,028 people were just really discovering 430 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,015 depression in children. 431 00:21:16,017 --> 00:21:19,020 You know, before-- I don't know when. 432 00:21:19,022 --> 00:21:21,001 When I started out training, 433 00:21:21,003 --> 00:21:23,011 people didn't really think children had depression. 434 00:21:23,013 --> 00:21:24,014 It was just thought, 435 00:21:24,016 --> 00:21:26,005 children don't get depressed. Period. 436 00:21:26,007 --> 00:21:28,006 I remember when you prescribed Prozac 437 00:21:28,008 --> 00:21:29,013 I was pretty surprised 438 00:21:29,015 --> 00:21:31,008 because I'd never heard of that. 439 00:21:31,010 --> 00:21:32,029 That was, like, a really big thing. 440 00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,001 "Positive, strong family history 441 00:21:35,003 --> 00:21:37,023 of depression on both sides." 442 00:21:37,025 --> 00:21:39,026 Should I say this part? Or skip this? 443 00:21:39,028 --> 00:21:41,028 "Parental uncle 444 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:44,012 committed suicide, age 21." 445 00:21:44,014 --> 00:21:46,016 Your brother, yeah. 446 00:21:46,018 --> 00:21:49,000 "Talks about death and murder." 447 00:21:50,024 --> 00:21:52,020 He was just scary. I don't know what to say. 448 00:21:52,022 --> 00:21:54,024 He had already made a suicide attempt. 449 00:21:54,026 --> 00:21:56,018 DANA: Which one? "Ran to window 450 00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:59,017 and threatened to jump in front of parents," I wrote. 451 00:21:59,019 --> 00:22:02,019 "Defiant, rebellious, banged head. 452 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:06,005 "Threatened to kill parents and brother. 453 00:22:06,007 --> 00:22:07,015 I want cancer." 454 00:22:07,017 --> 00:22:11,006 Well, he was such a baby, you know, in the beginning. 455 00:22:11,008 --> 00:22:12,015 He had such a baby face. 456 00:22:12,017 --> 00:22:14,014 I mean, such a kind of-- 457 00:22:14,016 --> 00:22:17,013 Kind of, pink, kind of, baby kid. 458 00:22:17,015 --> 00:22:19,027 And then it was this-that-- 459 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:22,021 Kind of, visual contrast between the-- 460 00:22:22,023 --> 00:22:26,016 You know, the demons inside him and that, kind of, sweet look. 461 00:22:26,018 --> 00:22:28,022 [♪♪] 462 00:22:30,027 --> 00:22:32,001 DANA: At one point, 463 00:22:32,003 --> 00:22:34,013 I'd say, Evan was about-- 464 00:22:34,015 --> 00:22:36,002 Maybe 7 or 8. 465 00:22:36,004 --> 00:22:39,013 He and I were home and once again 466 00:22:39,015 --> 00:22:42,022 he started to talk about wanting to kill himself. 467 00:22:44,012 --> 00:22:46,007 A lot of times he would tell me specifically 468 00:22:46,009 --> 00:22:47,013 what he was gonna do. 469 00:22:47,015 --> 00:22:48,025 He was gonna jump out the window, 470 00:22:48,027 --> 00:22:50,009 he was gonna jump off a building, 471 00:22:50,011 --> 00:22:51,024 he was gonna cut himself. 472 00:22:51,026 --> 00:22:53,016 Or in this particular occasion, 473 00:22:53,018 --> 00:22:55,023 he was gonna hang himself. 474 00:22:55,025 --> 00:22:58,013 He took this pillow thing 475 00:22:58,015 --> 00:22:59,028 with a strap on it 476 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,028 and climbed up on his bunk bed, 477 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000 then he affixed it up there. 478 00:23:05,002 --> 00:23:06,015 And then he put it around his neck 479 00:23:06,017 --> 00:23:09,026 and he showed me how he was gonna jump off the bunk bed. 480 00:23:09,028 --> 00:23:14,025 He's gonna show Mom how he's gonna hang himself, 481 00:23:14,027 --> 00:23:16,015 right in front of her. 482 00:23:16,017 --> 00:23:19,029 And I didn't let him. 483 00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:22,001 But I'm tired of trying to explain to people 484 00:23:22,003 --> 00:23:23,007 what I'm hearing at home 485 00:23:23,009 --> 00:23:26,007 and I'm just gonna record this. 486 00:23:27,027 --> 00:23:30,020 I always felt so guilty about taking those pictures, 487 00:23:30,022 --> 00:23:34,005 but I was so tired of explaining to people 488 00:23:34,007 --> 00:23:36,002 my son wants to kill himself. 489 00:23:38,008 --> 00:23:41,018 I just needed some kind of proof that, um-- 490 00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:43,021 That this is really happening. 491 00:23:43,023 --> 00:23:46,008 Because it was so impossible to believe. 492 00:23:51,012 --> 00:23:53,001 Oh, God. 493 00:23:53,003 --> 00:23:54,018 This is when he tried to hang himself? 494 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:56,000 DANA: Yeah. 495 00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,003 You know, there was a, uh... 496 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:09,003 idea that children could not be suicidal 497 00:24:09,005 --> 00:24:12,005 because they didn't understand that death was, um, 498 00:24:12,007 --> 00:24:14,002 irreversible. 499 00:24:15,024 --> 00:24:17,026 Um... 500 00:24:17,028 --> 00:24:20,024 I never really felt like I knew Evan very well. 501 00:24:20,026 --> 00:24:24,019 Um, he was the scariest kid I ever saw in my life. 502 00:24:24,021 --> 00:24:26,006 I'd never seen who'd been this-- 503 00:24:26,008 --> 00:24:30,004 Was this intent on, uh, death. 504 00:24:30,006 --> 00:24:31,011 [♪♪] 505 00:24:31,013 --> 00:24:33,026 It felt to me always like there was 506 00:24:33,028 --> 00:24:36,026 a mask or something there. 507 00:24:36,028 --> 00:24:39,004 And I remember that look going over him. 508 00:24:39,006 --> 00:24:41,012 That unreachable look. 509 00:24:42,023 --> 00:24:44,013 DANA: When Evan went through a mood swing 510 00:24:44,015 --> 00:24:45,021 his whole body changed. 511 00:24:45,023 --> 00:24:48,004 His face changed, his physical attitude changed. 512 00:24:48,006 --> 00:24:50,003 His ability to communicate changed. 513 00:24:50,005 --> 00:24:53,013 And you literally saw it in his face. 514 00:24:53,015 --> 00:24:55,015 He became unreachable. 515 00:24:55,017 --> 00:24:58,019 Hart and I started to call it the fugue state. 516 00:24:58,021 --> 00:25:00,001 You'd sort of go like this: 517 00:25:00,003 --> 00:25:02,028 The physical change would be 518 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,027 like a slackening of his face. 519 00:25:04,029 --> 00:25:07,012 It just wasn't engaged. 520 00:25:07,014 --> 00:25:09,020 Something receded. 521 00:25:09,022 --> 00:25:12,010 And what you had was this kind of thing: 522 00:25:12,012 --> 00:25:13,020 This facade. 523 00:25:29,019 --> 00:25:32,012 MAN: Some whales are real curious, they come right up to the boat. 524 00:25:32,014 --> 00:25:35,025 Some whales turn the other cheek and leave, essentially. 525 00:25:35,027 --> 00:25:38,013 DANA: There was a tone of voice that went along with it too. 526 00:25:38,015 --> 00:25:40,025 A very flat tone of voice. 527 00:25:41,022 --> 00:25:43,003 [GROUP GASPING] 528 00:25:43,005 --> 00:25:45,019 WOMAN: They look like orcas to me. 529 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:49,023 HART: Where'd you see the whale? 530 00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:52,027 I saw it over there and over there. 531 00:25:54,013 --> 00:25:55,015 Pretty exciting seeing 532 00:25:55,017 --> 00:25:56,027 the size of the whale, wasn't it? 533 00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:58,013 DANA: Yeah, it was cool. 534 00:25:59,019 --> 00:26:01,023 He could be very sullen. 535 00:26:02,022 --> 00:26:04,018 HART: 536 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:06,007 I-- What do you mean? 537 00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:09,017 Yeah, I am. 538 00:26:12,022 --> 00:26:14,010 Five. HART: Five? 539 00:26:14,012 --> 00:26:16,004 This is the sixth. 540 00:26:16,006 --> 00:26:18,000 So this is pretty exciting... 541 00:26:18,002 --> 00:26:20,001 He definitely acted like a teenager 542 00:26:20,003 --> 00:26:21,024 at a very young age. 543 00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:24,015 You hungry? 544 00:26:24,017 --> 00:26:26,005 Yeah. 545 00:26:26,007 --> 00:26:29,007 Yeah, I want a peanut butter sandwich. 546 00:26:33,003 --> 00:26:35,027 There's my goddamn control. 547 00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:37,003 HART: What'd you say? 548 00:26:37,005 --> 00:26:39,003 God. No, that's not nice. 549 00:26:39,005 --> 00:26:42,008 HART: He seemed to have skipped being a kid 550 00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:45,007 and gone immediately to being a adolescent. 551 00:26:45,009 --> 00:26:47,004 HART: How was the football game yesterday? 552 00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:48,028 EVAN: 553 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,014 DANA: That you expect from your 15-year-old. 554 00:26:51,016 --> 00:26:53,002 You know, "You're not the boss of me. 555 00:26:53,004 --> 00:26:54,010 Come on, give me the car keys." 556 00:26:54,012 --> 00:26:55,017 "Where you goin'?" "Out." 557 00:26:55,019 --> 00:26:57,006 "What'd you do in school?" "Nothin'." 558 00:26:57,008 --> 00:26:58,016 I mean, that seems normal. 559 00:26:58,018 --> 00:27:00,029 In a 7-year-old it doesn't seem normal. 560 00:27:01,001 --> 00:27:03,014 And he was very teenage it was-- 561 00:27:03,016 --> 00:27:06,011 Along with that though, he was also very sophisticated. 562 00:27:06,013 --> 00:27:07,013 [GUITAR PLAYING] 563 00:27:07,015 --> 00:27:08,025 EVAN [SINGING]: 564 00:27:10,008 --> 00:27:11,028 DANA: He did not have a Britney Spears phase 565 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,019 he did not have a Backstreet Boys phase, 566 00:27:13,021 --> 00:27:16,013 he went straight to Dylan, Neil Young, Nirvana. 567 00:27:16,015 --> 00:27:19,002 And he wrote a lot of songs. 568 00:27:32,003 --> 00:27:35,004 His lyrics touched on things that you can't imagine 569 00:27:35,006 --> 00:27:37,016 a kid that young would even think about. 570 00:27:37,018 --> 00:27:39,029 ♪ You would think it's ♪ 571 00:27:40,001 --> 00:27:42,002 ♪ Odd for me ♪ 572 00:27:43,017 --> 00:27:46,008 ♪ If I could be ♪ 573 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:49,018 ♪ Cuttin' myself On the neck ♪ 574 00:27:53,003 --> 00:27:55,024 ♪ Fittin' you With my knife ♪ 575 00:27:55,026 --> 00:27:58,012 ♪ Sayin' you're gonna Die tonight ♪ 576 00:27:58,014 --> 00:28:00,021 DANA: Stop! 577 00:28:00,023 --> 00:28:02,009 ♪ Well, that's because ♪ 578 00:28:02,011 --> 00:28:04,024 ♪ I'm depressed Nothing less ♪ 579 00:28:04,026 --> 00:28:07,021 ♪ Curious, furious ♪ 580 00:28:07,023 --> 00:28:10,018 ♪ So somebody kill me please ♪ 581 00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,020 ♪ I'm standin' on my knees ♪ 582 00:28:12,022 --> 00:28:14,003 [MIKEY SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY] 583 00:28:15,021 --> 00:28:18,015 ♪ Somebody kill me please ♪ 584 00:28:18,017 --> 00:28:20,004 ♪ Pretty, pretty please ♪ 585 00:28:20,006 --> 00:28:23,000 ♪ I'm standin' on my knees ♪ 586 00:28:25,005 --> 00:28:27,002 It's because I'm depressed. 587 00:28:27,004 --> 00:28:29,011 [♪♪] 588 00:28:29,013 --> 00:28:31,003 Okay, that's it. 589 00:28:33,005 --> 00:28:36,011 NICHOLAS: When he was maybe 8 or 9 he kept a journal 590 00:28:36,013 --> 00:28:38,025 and I saw it and took it out 591 00:28:38,027 --> 00:28:40,001 and started reading it. 592 00:28:40,003 --> 00:28:42,002 And there are these poems in it 593 00:28:42,004 --> 00:28:43,012 essentially saying, 594 00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:44,023 "I'm prepared for death. 595 00:28:44,025 --> 00:28:46,002 I'm not afraid of death." 596 00:28:46,004 --> 00:28:47,008 These really deep poems. 597 00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:48,022 And I was 598 00:28:48,024 --> 00:28:51,016 probably 15-16 599 00:28:51,018 --> 00:28:53,000 and going through my moody phase. 600 00:28:53,002 --> 00:28:54,025 And I remember thinking, "Wow. 601 00:28:54,027 --> 00:28:58,010 These are thoughts I'm having right now." 602 00:28:59,021 --> 00:29:02,011 I felt there was something really powerful 603 00:29:02,013 --> 00:29:04,000 going on in his mind, 604 00:29:04,002 --> 00:29:06,021 that he had a sensitivity, 605 00:29:06,023 --> 00:29:10,025 a maturity that was way beyond his years. 606 00:29:13,012 --> 00:29:16,009 KAREN: There's one play that Evan wrote 607 00:29:16,011 --> 00:29:18,001 and his character was 608 00:29:18,003 --> 00:29:20,021 a depressed kid who just saw the negativity in everything. 609 00:29:20,023 --> 00:29:22,022 Hey, kid. Yeah? 610 00:29:22,024 --> 00:29:25,016 It's not raining anymore. 611 00:29:25,018 --> 00:29:26,026 Just give it some t-- 612 00:29:26,028 --> 00:29:29,006 Just give it some time, it'll start up again. 613 00:29:29,008 --> 00:29:30,024 When he was 10 he said, 614 00:29:30,026 --> 00:29:33,003 "Let's do a play about someone dying-- 615 00:29:33,005 --> 00:29:34,010 A boy dying." 616 00:29:34,012 --> 00:29:36,001 I said, "Well, 617 00:29:36,003 --> 00:29:37,013 what kind of story is that?" 618 00:29:37,015 --> 00:29:39,028 He said, "What? It's a story about a kid dying." 619 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,029 And all his friends and they miss him. 620 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:45,012 [SOBBING] How am I supposed to live without you? 621 00:29:45,014 --> 00:29:47,025 You were my big brother. 622 00:29:47,027 --> 00:29:50,004 Who's gonna take care of me? 623 00:29:50,006 --> 00:29:52,001 Walk me to school? 624 00:29:52,003 --> 00:29:54,015 Calm me down when I'm upset? 625 00:29:54,017 --> 00:29:57,008 Please, don't leave me. 626 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:58,026 We'll be there for you. 627 00:29:58,028 --> 00:30:00,001 It will be okay. 628 00:30:00,003 --> 00:30:01,025 I'll walk you to school. 629 00:30:01,027 --> 00:30:03,016 I can't leave him! 630 00:30:03,018 --> 00:30:05,004 Evan came up with a story 631 00:30:05,006 --> 00:30:06,009 that didn't make any sense. 632 00:30:06,011 --> 00:30:07,023 Just, someone died. 633 00:30:07,025 --> 00:30:09,010 And, you know, that they cry. 634 00:30:09,012 --> 00:30:12,011 You said you would always be there for me. 635 00:30:12,013 --> 00:30:13,014 Well, I need you 636 00:30:13,016 --> 00:30:16,022 more than I ever have right now. 637 00:30:16,024 --> 00:30:19,006 I think he wanted the play 638 00:30:19,008 --> 00:30:20,025 to be about the boy dying, 639 00:30:20,027 --> 00:30:23,006 which obviously was his character, 640 00:30:23,008 --> 00:30:26,018 and to be able to see it in a play 641 00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:29,000 that everybody loves him. 642 00:30:29,002 --> 00:30:30,029 I know that. When you leave, it's like, 643 00:30:31,001 --> 00:30:32,016 that's when everyone gets together 644 00:30:32,018 --> 00:30:34,005 and they miss you and they honor you. 645 00:30:34,007 --> 00:30:35,019 He will always be with us. 646 00:30:35,021 --> 00:30:38,011 You don't have to look here, or in heaven. 647 00:30:38,013 --> 00:30:40,011 Look in your heart and he'll be there. 648 00:30:40,013 --> 00:30:42,017 [ERIC CLAPTON'S "TEARS IN HEAVEN" PLAYING] 649 00:30:43,028 --> 00:30:45,018 So we decided to do the show 650 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:48,005 and that's when, um... 651 00:30:48,007 --> 00:30:50,001 you know, Evan attempted-- 652 00:30:50,003 --> 00:30:51,021 Or came close 653 00:30:51,023 --> 00:30:54,003 to attempting suicide at PS-11. 654 00:30:54,005 --> 00:30:56,010 [♪♪] 655 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,026 DANA: The fall semester of 2000, 656 00:31:02,028 --> 00:31:04,024 when Evan was in fifth grade 657 00:31:04,026 --> 00:31:06,018 he communicated 658 00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:07,026 to the principal of his school 659 00:31:07,028 --> 00:31:09,015 that he felt suicidal. 660 00:31:11,004 --> 00:31:12,016 We get a letter and of course-- 661 00:31:12,018 --> 00:31:14,028 You know, it says, "just a psychological evaluation." 662 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,026 Well, I'm already in therapy. 663 00:31:16,028 --> 00:31:18,014 I'm already seeing a psychiatrist. 664 00:31:18,016 --> 00:31:20,007 He was already on meds. I don't know-- 665 00:31:20,009 --> 00:31:21,020 You know, I don't know what to do. 666 00:31:21,022 --> 00:31:23,003 I don't know what to do. 667 00:31:24,015 --> 00:31:26,004 And three weeks later, 668 00:31:26,006 --> 00:31:28,010 he made an attempt at school. 669 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:32,012 I got a call at my office. 670 00:31:32,014 --> 00:31:34,005 "This is Mr. Delmonico 671 00:31:34,007 --> 00:31:37,016 from PS-11 and this is about Evan." 672 00:31:37,018 --> 00:31:39,019 He said, "It's-it's very serious. 673 00:31:39,021 --> 00:31:41,008 Um, you need to get here." 674 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:44,000 And I'm like, "You have to tell me what's going on." 675 00:31:44,002 --> 00:31:47,017 He said, "He's up on the roof of his school." 676 00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:49,026 PS-11, it's probably 677 00:31:49,028 --> 00:31:51,025 six stories. 678 00:31:51,027 --> 00:31:53,020 And he took a chunk of pavement 679 00:31:53,022 --> 00:31:55,006 about the size of a hamburger 680 00:31:55,008 --> 00:31:57,004 and threw it down onto the playground 681 00:31:57,006 --> 00:31:58,015 where the other kids were. 682 00:31:59,028 --> 00:32:02,012 One of the teachers went out on the roof 683 00:32:02,014 --> 00:32:06,001 and there was Evan, perched on a ledge. 684 00:32:06,003 --> 00:32:09,009 And Evan told him that he wanted to kill himself, 685 00:32:09,011 --> 00:32:11,004 that he was gonna jump. 686 00:32:11,006 --> 00:32:14,010 The teacher told him that life was worth living 687 00:32:14,012 --> 00:32:16,023 and what was good about Evan, 688 00:32:16,025 --> 00:32:18,016 and that he was loved. 689 00:32:18,018 --> 00:32:21,016 And eventually Evan came down on his own. 690 00:32:22,018 --> 00:32:24,003 By the time I got there, 691 00:32:24,005 --> 00:32:27,007 he had been brought down into the principal's office 692 00:32:27,009 --> 00:32:29,019 and we were there in the principal's office 693 00:32:29,021 --> 00:32:31,005 and we decided to go straight 694 00:32:31,007 --> 00:32:34,009 from there to an emergency room. 695 00:32:34,011 --> 00:32:35,016 [SIREN WAILS] 696 00:32:35,018 --> 00:32:37,005 One of the residents asked him, 697 00:32:37,007 --> 00:32:40,006 "Do you know what it's like to be dead?" 698 00:32:40,008 --> 00:32:42,022 He says, "Yeah, everybody gathers around 699 00:32:42,024 --> 00:32:45,021 and talks about how great you were." 700 00:32:45,023 --> 00:32:47,016 HART: And for me it was like, 701 00:32:47,018 --> 00:32:49,003 this is my worst fear. 702 00:32:49,005 --> 00:32:51,002 He is like my brother. 703 00:32:51,004 --> 00:32:52,025 [PROJECTOR CLICKING] 704 00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,019 My younger brother Scott committed suicide 705 00:32:56,021 --> 00:33:00,003 by asphyxiating himself in a car. 706 00:33:07,014 --> 00:33:09,017 Because of my experience with my brother 707 00:33:09,019 --> 00:33:13,000 I wasn't going to fool around. 708 00:33:13,002 --> 00:33:16,012 We had Evan involuntarily committed 709 00:33:16,014 --> 00:33:18,014 to a mental institution. 710 00:33:18,016 --> 00:33:21,004 Uh, 'cause we were... 711 00:33:21,006 --> 00:33:24,005 very, very concerned about his suicide attempt. 712 00:33:24,007 --> 00:33:25,010 We took it very seriously. 713 00:33:25,012 --> 00:33:29,002 The place he went was called Four Winds. 714 00:33:29,004 --> 00:33:30,021 It's outside of New York, 715 00:33:30,023 --> 00:33:34,015 and it's a lock-up psychiatric facility. 716 00:33:35,018 --> 00:33:36,029 SUZANNE: Evan was brought in 717 00:33:37,001 --> 00:33:40,011 by ambulance after having an incident at school. 718 00:33:40,013 --> 00:33:43,007 Um, he was brought to the Deerfield Unit 719 00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:45,013 which is the unit I was working on at the time. 720 00:33:45,015 --> 00:33:47,016 Which is for kids 8 to 12. 721 00:33:47,018 --> 00:33:51,006 And immediately assessed and evaluated. 722 00:33:51,008 --> 00:33:52,020 We were able to establish 723 00:33:52,022 --> 00:33:54,022 a, uh-- A pattern. 724 00:33:54,024 --> 00:33:56,010 And saw that he definitely, 725 00:33:56,012 --> 00:33:58,027 uh, met the criteria for bipolar disorder. 726 00:33:58,029 --> 00:34:01,006 [PROJECTOR CLICKING] 727 00:34:01,008 --> 00:34:03,029 You know, known historically as manic-depression. 728 00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:06,000 This is a chemical imbalance, 729 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:08,027 a chemical illness in the brain. 730 00:34:08,029 --> 00:34:12,017 Some kids have more of a propensity towards depression 731 00:34:12,019 --> 00:34:15,002 and some kids have more of a propensity towards mania. 732 00:34:15,004 --> 00:34:16,008 I think in Evan's case, 733 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:18,016 it was definitely more depression. 734 00:34:20,015 --> 00:34:23,025 Bipolar depression is definitely more severe 735 00:34:23,027 --> 00:34:26,012 than just depression. 736 00:34:26,014 --> 00:34:29,011 That's why suicide attempts are more common 737 00:34:29,013 --> 00:34:31,021 in kids with bipolar depression. 738 00:34:31,023 --> 00:34:34,004 And that's why it's scarier. 739 00:34:34,006 --> 00:34:36,014 'Cause you don't know how far he'll take it. 740 00:34:36,016 --> 00:34:39,014 You know, you don't know if he actually would 741 00:34:39,016 --> 00:34:42,015 have jumped off that ledge at school. 742 00:34:42,017 --> 00:34:44,007 You know, he had a tendency to blame 743 00:34:44,009 --> 00:34:46,009 other people or other situations 744 00:34:46,011 --> 00:34:48,018 instead of being able to say, "Okay, yeah, I get it. 745 00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:50,019 "I did something I probably shouldn't have done, 746 00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:53,025 it scared a lot of people and that's why I'm here." 747 00:34:53,027 --> 00:34:55,006 He just sort of said, 748 00:34:55,008 --> 00:34:57,024 "All I wanted was someone to listen." 749 00:34:57,026 --> 00:34:59,012 And he just couldn't understand 750 00:34:59,014 --> 00:35:02,028 that his behaviors and the measure that he took 751 00:35:03,001 --> 00:35:04,029 were scary to people. 752 00:35:05,001 --> 00:35:07,021 He didn't think that if he went and stood on the, uh-- 753 00:35:07,023 --> 00:35:10,006 The roof of the school, that anything would happen. 754 00:35:10,008 --> 00:35:11,023 So when he ended up in a hospital 755 00:35:11,025 --> 00:35:14,017 where it's lock down and they watch you every second 756 00:35:14,019 --> 00:35:16,005 and you're not allowed to do anything 757 00:35:16,007 --> 00:35:18,003 unless it's part of the schedule 758 00:35:18,005 --> 00:35:19,023 and there are these other damaged kids 759 00:35:19,025 --> 00:35:21,022 and your parents can only visit once in a while. 760 00:35:21,024 --> 00:35:23,026 He just broke down. [♪♪] 761 00:35:23,028 --> 00:35:26,022 I mean, he just fell apart. He fell apart. 762 00:35:28,011 --> 00:35:30,021 SUZANNE: He was destroying property on the unit. 763 00:35:30,023 --> 00:35:32,025 He was very, very angry. 764 00:35:32,027 --> 00:35:35,015 At one point I remember he drew all over his walls 765 00:35:35,017 --> 00:35:39,005 in his room and we had to have him clean his walls. 766 00:35:39,007 --> 00:35:42,015 He also was tantrumming a lot, he was angry a lot. 767 00:35:42,017 --> 00:35:46,008 He was banging his head and his arms up against a wall. 768 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:49,007 When he was in the throes of a manic episode 769 00:35:49,009 --> 00:35:51,002 or a depressive episode, 770 00:35:51,004 --> 00:35:52,022 you know, you couldn't reason. 771 00:35:52,024 --> 00:35:56,000 And you can't reason with a kid who's bipolar. 772 00:35:56,002 --> 00:35:58,007 HART: Visiting Evan at Four Winds 773 00:35:58,009 --> 00:36:00,019 was agonizing. 774 00:36:00,021 --> 00:36:02,021 Here is a kid 775 00:36:02,023 --> 00:36:06,000 who was in a lock-up psychiatric facility 776 00:36:06,002 --> 00:36:09,009 for seriously mentally ill kids. 777 00:36:09,011 --> 00:36:11,019 And coming to terms with your kid 778 00:36:11,021 --> 00:36:13,026 who seemed to have behavioral issues 779 00:36:13,028 --> 00:36:15,028 but he could've just, you know-- 780 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,003 Be like an adolescent, 781 00:36:17,005 --> 00:36:19,002 that this is something he'd go through. 782 00:36:19,004 --> 00:36:20,019 Because he had so many really, 783 00:36:20,021 --> 00:36:23,013 you know, charming, bright qualities. 784 00:36:23,015 --> 00:36:26,012 Four Winds was, uh, 785 00:36:26,014 --> 00:36:28,014 a real body punch. 786 00:36:28,016 --> 00:36:32,025 Evan was given a variety of medications. 787 00:36:32,027 --> 00:36:34,022 Depakote was one of them. 788 00:36:34,024 --> 00:36:37,003 Uh, he seemed really doped up. 789 00:36:37,005 --> 00:36:38,028 And then they suggested 790 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,010 that he try lithium. 791 00:36:41,012 --> 00:36:43,011 SUZANNE: Lithium is a mood stabilizer 792 00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:45,014 and it is used to level off 793 00:36:45,016 --> 00:36:47,015 the serotonin in the brain 794 00:36:47,017 --> 00:36:49,027 as opposed to having the highs and lows 795 00:36:49,029 --> 00:36:54,009 you kind of even off the chemistry. 796 00:36:54,011 --> 00:36:56,012 DANA: He really did start to respond to lithium. 797 00:36:56,014 --> 00:36:58,019 I mean, it was really, pretty remarkable. 798 00:36:58,021 --> 00:37:02,002 But he was still, you know, profoundly ill. 799 00:37:02,004 --> 00:37:03,020 So then the question became like: 800 00:37:03,022 --> 00:37:06,015 Well, what do we do after this? 801 00:37:06,017 --> 00:37:08,016 [BIRDS CAWING] 802 00:37:08,018 --> 00:37:11,000 HART: PS-11 would not take him back 803 00:37:11,002 --> 00:37:13,015 and there was no place for him to go. 804 00:37:13,017 --> 00:37:16,005 Uh, except for this very expensive alternative 805 00:37:16,007 --> 00:37:19,011 which turned out to, I think, have saved his life 806 00:37:19,013 --> 00:37:22,003 for a number of years. 807 00:37:22,005 --> 00:37:24,029 DANA: Suzanne Hanna who was his therapist 808 00:37:25,001 --> 00:37:27,003 recommended this place called Wellspring 809 00:37:27,005 --> 00:37:30,012 which was what they call Milieu Therapy. 810 00:37:30,014 --> 00:37:31,018 Everything's an opportunity 811 00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:33,003 to learn how to live in the group. 812 00:37:33,005 --> 00:37:35,005 From doing the dishes, making meals, 813 00:37:35,007 --> 00:37:36,008 to taking care of animals, 814 00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:38,015 to taking care of younger children, 815 00:37:38,017 --> 00:37:41,005 to chores and things like that. 816 00:37:42,004 --> 00:37:43,029 DAN: Evan came to us 817 00:37:44,001 --> 00:37:45,023 from Four Winds hospital 818 00:37:45,025 --> 00:37:48,016 and they were pretty adamant that the bipolar disorder was, 819 00:37:48,018 --> 00:37:51,006 um, managed, medication-wise 820 00:37:51,008 --> 00:37:53,026 and that he was on the proper dosages 821 00:37:53,028 --> 00:37:55,014 and, uh, that seemed to be the case 822 00:37:55,016 --> 00:37:56,027 on some level we saw. 823 00:37:56,029 --> 00:37:59,014 And then, right away, within a few days, 824 00:37:59,016 --> 00:38:01,001 Evan decided to venture 825 00:38:01,003 --> 00:38:03,022 off campus and, uh... 826 00:38:03,024 --> 00:38:06,004 Obvious question at that point was: 827 00:38:06,006 --> 00:38:08,002 Was it really controlled? 828 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,005 Three days in he decided that he wasn't gonna have it. 829 00:38:13,007 --> 00:38:14,018 You know, that this whole thing 830 00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:16,002 about the adults being in charge 831 00:38:16,004 --> 00:38:18,026 really wasn't for him. 832 00:38:18,028 --> 00:38:21,009 He made it a little bit more complicated than he had to. 833 00:38:21,011 --> 00:38:22,027 Built in a little dramatic effect, 834 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,003 he went out a window. He could've went out the door. 835 00:38:25,005 --> 00:38:27,014 We don't have-- The doors aren't locked. 836 00:38:27,016 --> 00:38:29,010 Oh, I see, so he went out the window 837 00:38:29,012 --> 00:38:31,004 and then went on the roof, 838 00:38:31,006 --> 00:38:32,011 and then jumped down. 839 00:38:32,013 --> 00:38:35,005 So this was like-- That involved some doing. 840 00:38:35,007 --> 00:38:37,022 HART: Dana gets a phone call from Evan, 841 00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:40,008 that he's climbed out a window 842 00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:42,010 and escaped from Wellspring 843 00:38:42,012 --> 00:38:44,025 and is in some guy's house. 844 00:38:44,027 --> 00:38:46,017 Of course, we had to go to juvenile court 845 00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:49,004 because the guy whose house he broke into, 846 00:38:49,006 --> 00:38:51,007 uh, pressed charges. 847 00:38:51,009 --> 00:38:54,026 I think the neighbor whose house he was in 848 00:38:54,028 --> 00:38:57,014 was quite unforgiving. 849 00:38:57,016 --> 00:38:59,016 You know, luckily, he didn't do anything 850 00:38:59,018 --> 00:39:01,011 with that man's house that day, 851 00:39:01,013 --> 00:39:02,020 but he was trying to get 852 00:39:02,022 --> 00:39:04,026 a rise out of his parents to come rescue him. 853 00:39:04,028 --> 00:39:06,015 Show them just how much he's suffering 854 00:39:06,017 --> 00:39:08,018 and he'll go home and stir it all up again 855 00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:10,016 and be back in the hospital again in-- 856 00:39:10,018 --> 00:39:11,028 You know, another year. 857 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,020 It was as if he was in a game. 858 00:39:14,022 --> 00:39:16,027 It was an important event, 859 00:39:16,029 --> 00:39:19,022 and it really kind of marked that need for a switch. 860 00:39:19,024 --> 00:39:23,008 That-that Evan really needed to be held accountable 861 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:25,015 for the relational damage he was doing. 862 00:39:25,017 --> 00:39:28,004 So that event was a microcosm 863 00:39:28,006 --> 00:39:30,003 of what had happened in his life. 864 00:39:30,005 --> 00:39:32,011 He wasn't being held accountable on some level 865 00:39:32,013 --> 00:39:34,008 for the damage he did to you all. 866 00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:36,006 That was the first night we were here. 867 00:39:36,008 --> 00:39:37,015 We sat right here, right? 868 00:39:37,017 --> 00:39:38,017 Yup. 869 00:39:38,019 --> 00:39:41,003 As I recall, um, you had us in first 870 00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:43,000 and kind of gave us a little heads up 871 00:39:43,002 --> 00:39:45,001 and then Evan came in 872 00:39:45,003 --> 00:39:46,021 and he had us, I think, sit on his-- 873 00:39:46,023 --> 00:39:48,021 Sit in our laps and-- Right. 874 00:39:48,023 --> 00:39:51,018 And you told him we had to talk to him really honestly. 875 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:52,020 Right. 876 00:39:52,022 --> 00:39:53,024 And I did and it was-- 877 00:39:53,026 --> 00:39:56,006 It was like this incredible relief 878 00:39:56,008 --> 00:39:59,021 because I had permission to say what I was feeling 879 00:39:59,023 --> 00:40:01,025 without being afraid of breaking him. 880 00:40:01,027 --> 00:40:03,001 You know? I remember. 881 00:40:03,003 --> 00:40:04,015 And you-you were like, "Really?" 882 00:40:04,017 --> 00:40:06,016 [CHUCKLES] Yeah, I was like, really? 883 00:40:06,018 --> 00:40:08,000 Well, if I tell him that I'm afraid 884 00:40:08,002 --> 00:40:09,021 I'm gonna find him dead, he'll explode. 885 00:40:09,023 --> 00:40:11,025 And the world will end and, you know, 886 00:40:11,027 --> 00:40:13,014 all this stuff will come rushing out, 887 00:40:13,016 --> 00:40:14,018 and we'll be poisonous, 888 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:16,010 and we won't be able to survive it. 889 00:40:16,012 --> 00:40:19,005 And I think, to all of our amazement, 890 00:40:19,007 --> 00:40:21,001 we not only survived, 891 00:40:21,003 --> 00:40:23,005 but started building, you know, on that. 892 00:40:23,007 --> 00:40:25,016 [♪♪] 893 00:40:25,018 --> 00:40:27,016 DANA: Finally he started to work 894 00:40:27,018 --> 00:40:29,006 with the therapy at Wellspring. 895 00:40:29,008 --> 00:40:31,026 And slowly, bit by bit, 896 00:40:31,028 --> 00:40:34,016 he started to come around to their philosophy. 897 00:40:34,018 --> 00:40:38,000 We came frequently for, you know, sessions, 898 00:40:38,002 --> 00:40:41,008 where we learned how to communicate as a family. 899 00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:44,015 With Evan-- With his unique needs. 900 00:40:44,017 --> 00:40:46,007 It was like learning a new language. 901 00:40:46,009 --> 00:40:49,011 DANA: They basically say that children are responsible 902 00:40:49,013 --> 00:40:50,026 for their actions. 903 00:40:50,028 --> 00:40:52,000 Let's put it really simply: 904 00:40:52,002 --> 00:40:53,029 If you make a mess, you clean it up. 905 00:40:54,001 --> 00:40:55,010 Whether it's a physical mess 906 00:40:55,012 --> 00:40:57,018 like you spilled something, you need to clean up, 907 00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:58,024 or an emotional mess. 908 00:40:58,026 --> 00:41:00,010 I remember coming here 909 00:41:00,012 --> 00:41:03,018 and seeing, uh, Evan working on that stone wall over there. 910 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,012 DAN: For a child to think they cleaned up their mess 911 00:41:07,014 --> 00:41:09,008 and they made something a little better, 912 00:41:09,010 --> 00:41:11,010 rather than feeling like you were punished 913 00:41:11,012 --> 00:41:13,014 or you had consequences or whatever. 914 00:41:13,016 --> 00:41:14,022 But in this case you get to feel 915 00:41:14,024 --> 00:41:16,025 like you really repaired something. 916 00:41:16,027 --> 00:41:19,010 Yeah, and maybe that's even better than it was before. 917 00:41:19,012 --> 00:41:21,014 DANA: I think what happened at Wellspring 918 00:41:21,016 --> 00:41:25,005 is that they encouraged Evan to be a boy. 919 00:41:25,007 --> 00:41:27,024 I think a lot of their philosophy is 920 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:29,021 to let children be children. 921 00:41:29,023 --> 00:41:32,018 DAN: When he came he was kind of running the show. 922 00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:35,005 You know, he was in adult conversations, 923 00:41:35,007 --> 00:41:39,000 and he would much prefer being with the staff 924 00:41:39,002 --> 00:41:40,018 than he would with the other kids. 925 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:42,024 He really needed to be a kid again 926 00:41:42,026 --> 00:41:44,016 and just have fun and relax and-- 927 00:41:44,018 --> 00:41:48,025 And forget about all those bigger issues. 928 00:41:48,027 --> 00:41:51,019 DANA: Especially for Evan who was really acting like 929 00:41:51,021 --> 00:41:53,006 such a teenager at such a young age, 930 00:41:53,008 --> 00:41:56,002 it was a miracle to see him get past 931 00:41:56,004 --> 00:41:57,026 that facade of "I'm too cool." 932 00:41:57,028 --> 00:42:00,007 And to just be a pure boy. 933 00:42:00,009 --> 00:42:03,000 And I remember a time seeing him at Wellspring 934 00:42:03,002 --> 00:42:05,023 playing in the yard with pure boyness, 935 00:42:05,025 --> 00:42:08,008 that boy essence, which is what you need at that age. 936 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:10,008 It's a beautiful day, you're throwing a ball 937 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:11,010 with your friends. 938 00:42:11,012 --> 00:42:13,009 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 939 00:42:13,011 --> 00:42:16,024 DANA: Early on, I'd say in the first four weeks or so, 940 00:42:16,026 --> 00:42:18,006 he began to earn weekend passes, 941 00:42:18,008 --> 00:42:20,014 so the weekend of Michael's birthday, 942 00:42:20,016 --> 00:42:21,019 he finally did get released, 943 00:42:21,021 --> 00:42:23,000 and he was at the birthday party 944 00:42:23,002 --> 00:42:24,029 and I remember looking at him and thinking, 945 00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:27,019 "Oh, he looks like a boy." 946 00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:32,028 I mean, the old Evan would've been too cool, 947 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,019 he would've been turning up his nose, 948 00:42:34,021 --> 00:42:35,026 and he would've been sneering, 949 00:42:35,028 --> 00:42:37,011 he wouldn't have in a million years 950 00:42:37,013 --> 00:42:40,025 let the clown paint his face. Okay, never. 951 00:42:40,027 --> 00:42:43,013 He allowed himself to be a kid. 952 00:42:48,009 --> 00:42:51,005 I-- I saw those layers peel away. 953 00:42:51,007 --> 00:42:53,011 And a lot of it had to do with 954 00:42:53,013 --> 00:42:56,009 how strict the counselors were. They weren't having it. 955 00:42:56,011 --> 00:42:58,016 Evan could try to talk his way out of anything. 956 00:42:58,018 --> 00:43:01,015 And Dan's just saying "I'm not going anywhere." 957 00:43:01,017 --> 00:43:04,014 DAN: Remember, you know, bipolar disorder is not just 958 00:43:04,016 --> 00:43:06,026 a disorder of mood, it's a disorder of judgment. 959 00:43:06,028 --> 00:43:09,006 And for kids that's so debilitating. 960 00:43:09,008 --> 00:43:10,027 If the adults don't hold them close 961 00:43:10,029 --> 00:43:12,010 and make them responsible. 962 00:43:12,012 --> 00:43:15,014 What he needed to know is that you guys were in charge, 963 00:43:15,016 --> 00:43:17,025 and then he could build from your judgment, 964 00:43:17,027 --> 00:43:19,020 and that's what he allowed us to do first, 965 00:43:19,022 --> 00:43:21,014 'cause he looked around, he said, "Okay, 966 00:43:21,016 --> 00:43:23,026 I'm not getting over on these guys, I'll let that happen." 967 00:43:23,028 --> 00:43:25,026 And then we obviously bridge that to you. 968 00:43:25,028 --> 00:43:28,024 It was one of the shortest stays we've really ever had, 969 00:43:28,026 --> 00:43:31,012 uh, of a boy with so much going on in his life. 970 00:43:31,014 --> 00:43:34,008 Three months is really an unusual time 971 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:36,013 to get all that done. 972 00:43:36,015 --> 00:43:38,023 DANA: By the time Evan finished at Wellspring, 973 00:43:38,025 --> 00:43:40,023 the lithium had definitely kicked in. 974 00:43:40,025 --> 00:43:42,029 Along with the therapy, it was working, 975 00:43:43,001 --> 00:43:45,012 and you couldn't have one without the other. 976 00:43:45,014 --> 00:43:48,022 He seemed well enough to rejoin our family. 977 00:43:48,024 --> 00:43:52,023 HART: The whole family went to Wellspring, and we all learned, 978 00:43:52,025 --> 00:43:57,003 and when it was over, here we had this kid again, 979 00:43:57,005 --> 00:43:59,022 and what do we do with him? 980 00:44:01,014 --> 00:44:03,026 HART: So we decided to see whether we could get him 981 00:44:03,028 --> 00:44:06,019 into a mainstream school which was sensitive 982 00:44:06,021 --> 00:44:08,010 to kids who had issues. 983 00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:11,010 So we got him into a school called York Prep. 984 00:44:11,012 --> 00:44:14,021 And suddenly everything was different. 985 00:44:14,023 --> 00:44:15,026 [BELL RINGING] 986 00:44:17,026 --> 00:44:21,012 We would get a report card and he was, like, 987 00:44:21,014 --> 00:44:24,004 one of the best students in the class. 988 00:44:24,006 --> 00:44:25,025 The teachers were saying 989 00:44:25,027 --> 00:44:30,009 "I wish all my students were like Evan." 990 00:44:30,011 --> 00:44:33,026 He got the prize in the science project. 991 00:44:33,028 --> 00:44:37,004 HART: So what's this? My science fair. 992 00:44:40,007 --> 00:44:42,008 DANA: Now you've got the ribbon. 993 00:44:44,025 --> 00:44:47,015 The ribbon. 994 00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:49,019 BOY: It was so hard, taking them so fast. 995 00:44:49,021 --> 00:44:51,025 There are, like, 40 pictures with digital camera, 996 00:44:51,027 --> 00:44:53,010 and none of 'em worked. 997 00:44:53,012 --> 00:44:55,020 DANA: One of the great things about Evan going to York 998 00:44:55,022 --> 00:44:58,013 is he found such a great group of friends. 999 00:44:58,015 --> 00:45:00,006 It took awhile for him to, like, 1000 00:45:00,008 --> 00:45:02,017 kind of gain your trust and stuff like that, 1001 00:45:02,019 --> 00:45:04,007 and, um, after awhile, it was-- 1002 00:45:04,009 --> 00:45:06,028 He was just one of those people I could talk to about anything, 1003 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,016 and come to him with any problem. 1004 00:45:08,018 --> 00:45:11,001 Once we started hanging out, I started to, like, you know, 1005 00:45:11,003 --> 00:45:12,011 figure out his interest in toys. 1006 00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:15,003 And I really liked toys, like, toys was my thing, 1007 00:45:15,005 --> 00:45:17,010 and toys was his thing, and cartoons were his thing. 1008 00:45:17,012 --> 00:45:18,014 And cartoons were my thing. 1009 00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:19,029 Well, he was definitely different 1010 00:45:20,001 --> 00:45:22,011 from all the other kids we hung out with. 1011 00:45:22,013 --> 00:45:26,016 Nobody seemed to have strong opinions like him. 1012 00:45:26,018 --> 00:45:29,001 He was really set in his ways. 1013 00:45:29,003 --> 00:45:31,022 And once he had an idea he wasn't gonna let it go. 1014 00:45:31,024 --> 00:45:34,010 Lot of stuff people say in high school they don't really mean 1015 00:45:34,012 --> 00:45:36,022 or they're just trying to be popular, but, like, you know, 1016 00:45:36,024 --> 00:45:40,016 Evan, he would just go right into it, he wouldn't hold back. 1017 00:45:40,018 --> 00:45:44,003 What I liked about Evan was that he, uh, was really creative, 1018 00:45:44,005 --> 00:45:47,017 and was interested in a lot of things that, like, not like-- 1019 00:45:47,019 --> 00:45:50,021 Not just TV. Like, a lot of kids were just watching TV, 1020 00:45:50,023 --> 00:45:52,017 and he was making TV. 1021 00:45:52,019 --> 00:45:54,007 [ALL LAUGHING] 1022 00:45:54,009 --> 00:45:57,001 HART: Evan had various, you know, movie ideas. 1023 00:45:57,003 --> 00:46:01,016 When he was younger he roped me into shooting them. 1024 00:46:01,018 --> 00:46:03,016 HART: Come on, let's start. All right, ready. 1025 00:46:03,018 --> 00:46:05,029 It's rolling now. You guys, shut up! 1026 00:46:06,001 --> 00:46:07,005 HART: Okay, ready? 1027 00:46:07,007 --> 00:46:09,024 Three, two, one, action. 1028 00:46:09,026 --> 00:46:13,023 Hi, I'm Adam Luke, and I'm here to host a new reality TV show 1029 00:46:13,025 --> 00:46:16,017 titled, "What it Takes to be an Astronaut." 1030 00:46:16,019 --> 00:46:18,012 HART: There was a certain amount of chaos 1031 00:46:18,014 --> 00:46:20,008 that was involved in the creation of them. 1032 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:23,006 All right, a redneck, and then, Gabe, you have to say something. 1033 00:46:23,008 --> 00:46:25,013 You have Chinese ADD, don't forget. 1034 00:46:25,015 --> 00:46:27,026 [IMITATING CHINESE ACCENT] I go to space all the time. 1035 00:46:27,028 --> 00:46:32,002 Spaces. Spaces. No gravity. 1036 00:46:32,004 --> 00:46:34,019 Okay, I'm not Chinese, 'cause it's too hard to be Chinese. 1037 00:46:34,021 --> 00:46:36,020 You're Chi-- You have ADD, what's the ADD about? 1038 00:46:36,022 --> 00:46:38,022 ADD, ADD, no Chinese. 1039 00:46:38,024 --> 00:46:40,027 [ALL LAUGHING] 1040 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,005 Do you know how long it took us 1041 00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,016 just to get through these three lines? It took-- 1042 00:46:45,018 --> 00:46:47,025 HART: Just try to play it a little more serious, okay? 1043 00:46:47,027 --> 00:46:49,019 You. Who are you supposed to be? 1044 00:46:49,021 --> 00:46:53,014 HART: It doesn't really-- At this point, it doesn't matter. 1045 00:46:53,016 --> 00:46:55,018 I wanna do-- I wanna do the whole thing over again. 1046 00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:57,016 HART: What do you mean, "the whole thing"? 1047 00:46:57,018 --> 00:46:59,011 'Cause I was-- 1048 00:46:59,013 --> 00:47:01,016 [ALL SINGING INDISTINCTLY] 1049 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:07,013 ♪ I say, "Yo, man You want to fly through space" ♪ 1050 00:47:07,015 --> 00:47:10,006 WILL: All the films we were making were all disasters. 1051 00:47:10,008 --> 00:47:11,028 We always got too excited about 'em, 1052 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,018 'cause, like, we'd have microphones, 1053 00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:15,011 we have a nice camera, and we'd, like, 1054 00:47:15,013 --> 00:47:17,024 talk about it and talk about it and talk about it. 1055 00:47:17,026 --> 00:47:20,019 And then we'd just-- Wouldn't finish it. 1056 00:47:20,021 --> 00:47:22,013 [♪♪] 1057 00:47:22,015 --> 00:47:25,027 AIDAN: There was a summer Evan went to New York Film Academy, 1058 00:47:25,029 --> 00:47:27,022 and asked me to be in one of his movies. 1059 00:47:29,001 --> 00:47:30,025 The assignment was to shoot, uh, 1060 00:47:30,027 --> 00:47:33,015 in black and white and no sound. 1061 00:47:34,022 --> 00:47:36,027 He made a movie about me waking up 1062 00:47:36,029 --> 00:47:39,018 in a world with no sound and no color. 1063 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:42,014 [MOUTHING] No! 1064 00:48:08,029 --> 00:48:11,028 I never knew that there was anything wrong with him. 1065 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,028 He took medication. I had no idea. 1066 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,016 Never brought it up. 1067 00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:17,001 Never talked about it. 1068 00:48:17,003 --> 00:48:20,001 Sometimes we got a little suspicious 'cause, like, 1069 00:48:20,003 --> 00:48:22,026 he would just be really quiet for a long period of time, 1070 00:48:22,028 --> 00:48:26,018 but we just accustomed to it because he did it a lot. 1071 00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:28,009 He would miss school every now and then. 1072 00:48:28,011 --> 00:48:29,029 I can tell-- I knew-- I would, like, 1073 00:48:30,001 --> 00:48:31,014 I would tell him he's on his period, 1074 00:48:31,016 --> 00:48:34,026 because he's, like, he looks like he-- You know, 1075 00:48:34,028 --> 00:48:37,011 he would have a month where he's just, like, moping around. 1076 00:48:37,013 --> 00:48:39,010 And then he'd have a month where's he's, like, 1077 00:48:39,012 --> 00:48:40,020 really happy, really happy. 1078 00:48:40,022 --> 00:48:42,025 And he would tell me, "Listen, the more happy I get, 1079 00:48:42,027 --> 00:48:44,017 the more pissed off I'm gonna get later." 1080 00:48:44,019 --> 00:48:47,011 AIDAN: One time, I think, going out to the roof, 1081 00:48:47,013 --> 00:48:50,006 I remember him sitting on the ledge, like... 1082 00:48:50,008 --> 00:48:51,014 And it really, like, scared me. 1083 00:48:51,016 --> 00:48:53,011 And he just seemed to be completely fearless, 1084 00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:56,024 like, almost willing to just walk-- Like, walk on the edge. 1085 00:48:56,026 --> 00:48:59,012 And I really, like, kind of yelled at him, like, 1086 00:48:59,014 --> 00:49:01,008 "Get down from the edge," you know. 1087 00:49:01,010 --> 00:49:03,017 That's, like, not something you do. 1088 00:49:03,019 --> 00:49:06,024 And it just-- He kind of distanced himself like that. 1089 00:49:06,026 --> 00:49:08,002 It was almost like showing-- 1090 00:49:08,004 --> 00:49:10,019 Showing me, like, "I don't really care." 1091 00:49:10,021 --> 00:49:11,026 We talked about it a little, 1092 00:49:11,028 --> 00:49:13,014 but he always sort of brushed it away, 1093 00:49:13,016 --> 00:49:16,013 and he sort of said, "But I'm over that now." And... 1094 00:49:16,015 --> 00:49:18,012 We all thought he was pretty good, 1095 00:49:18,014 --> 00:49:19,027 and he always acted really great. 1096 00:49:19,029 --> 00:49:21,025 And there were no real signs of any, like, 1097 00:49:21,027 --> 00:49:23,004 real depression or anything. 1098 00:49:23,006 --> 00:49:27,010 I was totally optimistic about his health 1099 00:49:27,012 --> 00:49:29,012 and the direction that he was gonna go. 1100 00:49:29,014 --> 00:49:33,003 NICHOLAS: When I'd come home from school and spend holidays, 1101 00:49:33,005 --> 00:49:35,008 I remember remarking to myself, you know, 1102 00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:39,006 "This is a much more warm, loving household 1103 00:49:39,008 --> 00:49:42,026 then it was two years earlier. 1104 00:49:42,028 --> 00:49:45,026 I guess that's what I saw after Wellspring, 1105 00:49:45,028 --> 00:49:48,008 that Dana and my father 1106 00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:50,024 really showing him that 1107 00:49:50,026 --> 00:49:55,016 within our family lies a really strong foundation 1108 00:49:55,018 --> 00:49:57,002 that he can trust. 1109 00:49:57,004 --> 00:50:01,016 And during that time it really did seem like 1110 00:50:01,018 --> 00:50:04,024 everything was under control. 1111 00:50:04,026 --> 00:50:07,001 [♪♪] 1112 00:50:10,027 --> 00:50:13,016 HART: As the years went by, after Wellspring, 1113 00:50:13,018 --> 00:50:16,022 and he continued to be the top student in his class, 1114 00:50:16,024 --> 00:50:18,007 he continued to have good friends, 1115 00:50:18,009 --> 00:50:20,015 that there weren't any big issues. 1116 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:24,003 I thought that maybe he was cured. 1117 00:50:24,005 --> 00:50:26,006 You know, maybe he's gonna have a life. 1118 00:50:26,008 --> 00:50:28,029 You know, I'd go with Evan to visit 1119 00:50:29,001 --> 00:50:30,024 his older brother in college, 1120 00:50:30,026 --> 00:50:33,009 and Evan was, like, looking at college, 1121 00:50:33,011 --> 00:50:35,025 and thinking, "Well, I can do it. 1122 00:50:35,027 --> 00:50:39,010 I can have a life like this." 1123 00:50:41,008 --> 00:50:43,009 You know, as the years proceeded, 1124 00:50:43,011 --> 00:50:47,005 I was not thinking that maybe the telephone was going to ring, 1125 00:50:47,007 --> 00:50:50,012 I was thinking that, "Hey, this-- This kid is different 1126 00:50:50,014 --> 00:50:53,008 from my brother. He's got a shot." 1127 00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:55,015 [♪♪] 1128 00:50:57,013 --> 00:51:02,010 My brother-- There'd never really been a diagnosis. 1129 00:51:02,012 --> 00:51:05,021 He was a successful suicide. 1130 00:51:05,023 --> 00:51:09,022 And that was my big fear about Evan. 1131 00:51:11,019 --> 00:51:15,011 From an early age, both Scott and Evan, 1132 00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:19,020 they were overwhelmed by their emotions. 1133 00:51:19,022 --> 00:51:21,008 With my brother, you know, 1134 00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:24,019 I had learned how to, you know, be his guide. 1135 00:51:24,021 --> 00:51:26,026 You know, we went to the same school, 1136 00:51:26,028 --> 00:51:28,005 we went to the same college. 1137 00:51:28,007 --> 00:51:29,013 We were very close. 1138 00:51:29,015 --> 00:51:31,024 And I'd been my brother's keeper 1139 00:51:31,026 --> 00:51:36,010 up until the point really where he started living with Martine, 1140 00:51:36,012 --> 00:51:38,015 his girlfriend. 1141 00:51:39,022 --> 00:51:42,006 WOMAN: Well, Scott was fun. 1142 00:51:42,008 --> 00:51:44,001 He was brilliant. 1143 00:51:44,003 --> 00:51:47,018 He was very creative, he was a great skier, 1144 00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:50,012 he was an athlete. We went skiing together. 1145 00:51:50,014 --> 00:51:52,006 We really had a lot of fun 1146 00:51:52,008 --> 00:51:55,006 and I was totally seduced when I met him. 1147 00:51:55,008 --> 00:51:58,013 I knew he was taking medication all along 1148 00:51:58,015 --> 00:52:01,025 and I knew he was seeing a psychiatrist. 1149 00:52:01,027 --> 00:52:04,006 He was getting some help. 1150 00:52:04,008 --> 00:52:07,009 I never really-- I had absolutely no experience 1151 00:52:07,011 --> 00:52:10,027 with depression before I met Scott. 1152 00:52:10,029 --> 00:52:12,027 So I knew that there was a problem, 1153 00:52:12,029 --> 00:52:14,024 but I didn't really see it, 1154 00:52:14,026 --> 00:52:17,008 because Scott was always very optimistic, 1155 00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:18,024 and he was very outgoing, 1156 00:52:18,026 --> 00:52:20,027 but I think I was still noticing something 1157 00:52:20,029 --> 00:52:22,023 after the first year. 1158 00:52:22,025 --> 00:52:26,003 He had mood swings, he had ups and downs. 1159 00:52:26,005 --> 00:52:29,017 And the second year trying to kill himself a couple of times 1160 00:52:29,019 --> 00:52:31,000 while he was with me. 1161 00:52:31,002 --> 00:52:32,025 I was supposed to get up in the morning 1162 00:52:32,027 --> 00:52:35,027 and find him dead next to me. 1163 00:52:35,029 --> 00:52:37,020 And he was amazed when he woke up, 1164 00:52:37,022 --> 00:52:39,002 I assume he didn't take enough. 1165 00:52:39,004 --> 00:52:41,012 You know, he was trying to overdose with medication 1166 00:52:41,014 --> 00:52:44,023 and maybe with drugs-- Heroin. 1167 00:52:44,025 --> 00:52:49,001 After his two attempts, he was really able to talk about it, 1168 00:52:49,003 --> 00:52:50,009 and communicate about it, 1169 00:52:50,011 --> 00:52:52,003 and I could really understand, 1170 00:52:52,005 --> 00:52:53,017 as much as I could, 1171 00:52:53,019 --> 00:52:56,016 the depth of the desperation. 1172 00:52:56,018 --> 00:52:58,029 He said he was in a hole. 1173 00:52:59,001 --> 00:53:01,013 In a tunnel, in a hole. There was no way out. 1174 00:53:01,015 --> 00:53:04,024 The pain was... 1175 00:53:04,026 --> 00:53:08,020 so profound, he-- 1176 00:53:08,022 --> 00:53:12,005 He could not imagine going on with it, and living with it, 1177 00:53:12,007 --> 00:53:13,009 even though I was there. 1178 00:53:13,011 --> 00:53:14,024 It did not matter. 1179 00:53:14,026 --> 00:53:17,023 Me and his family were not enough to keep him alive. 1180 00:53:17,025 --> 00:53:22,020 At those moments of such despair and pain, 1181 00:53:22,022 --> 00:53:25,029 the only way out was to die. 1182 00:53:26,001 --> 00:53:29,000 I don't like to think that maybe I wasn't really clued in 1183 00:53:29,002 --> 00:53:31,017 to what was going on, though I probably wasn't, 1184 00:53:31,019 --> 00:53:33,024 because I wasn't willing to accept the fact 1185 00:53:33,026 --> 00:53:39,022 that, uh, anything so terrifying to me could be on the way. 1186 00:53:39,024 --> 00:53:43,016 And particularly because Scott didn't seem like 1187 00:53:43,018 --> 00:53:46,014 an unhappy person. 1188 00:53:46,016 --> 00:53:49,023 All it tells you is that there is so much more 1189 00:53:49,025 --> 00:53:52,010 to know about people you love 1190 00:53:52,012 --> 00:53:55,029 than you can ever really uncover. 1191 00:53:56,001 --> 00:53:58,016 DANA: What happened that weekend when Scott died? 1192 00:53:58,018 --> 00:54:00,006 I don't know. 1193 00:54:00,008 --> 00:54:03,015 Nope. I have not the faintest idea. 1194 00:54:03,017 --> 00:54:05,025 Not the faintest idea. 1195 00:54:05,027 --> 00:54:07,003 DANA: You found him. 1196 00:54:07,005 --> 00:54:08,019 What, what? You found him 1197 00:54:08,021 --> 00:54:10,020 "Who found him"? You found him. 1198 00:54:10,022 --> 00:54:13,009 I found him? 1199 00:54:13,011 --> 00:54:16,029 I don't remember doing that. No. 1200 00:54:17,001 --> 00:54:21,019 What's more, I think I can get along without memory. 1201 00:54:21,021 --> 00:54:24,013 I don't remember at all. 1202 00:54:24,015 --> 00:54:26,015 [♪♪] 1203 00:54:26,017 --> 00:54:28,020 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1204 00:54:33,027 --> 00:54:37,000 MARTINE: I think it was a Saturday. 1205 00:54:37,002 --> 00:54:39,027 We came for the weekend up here. 1206 00:54:39,029 --> 00:54:41,016 Fourth of July weekend. 1207 00:54:41,018 --> 00:54:43,024 Scott was totally normal. 1208 00:54:43,026 --> 00:54:47,000 Fun, nice. 1209 00:54:47,002 --> 00:54:50,006 Suddenly, we-- You know, it was a beautiful afternoon, 1210 00:54:50,008 --> 00:54:53,017 and we said, "Where is Scott?" 1211 00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:57,022 Scott was not around. 1212 00:54:57,024 --> 00:55:00,029 I knew something was wrong. 1213 00:55:06,016 --> 00:55:09,019 Because I knew that the caretaker had guns. 1214 00:55:09,021 --> 00:55:11,012 And Scott knew that he had guns. 1215 00:55:11,014 --> 00:55:16,003 So I went there and Beati went in another direction. 1216 00:55:16,005 --> 00:55:18,012 I couldn't get inside the house because it was locked. 1217 00:55:18,014 --> 00:55:19,024 I don't exactly remember, 1218 00:55:19,026 --> 00:55:22,003 but I knew he didn't have the guns. 1219 00:55:22,005 --> 00:55:23,020 When I came back 1220 00:55:23,022 --> 00:55:27,010 I saw Beati came back, 1221 00:55:27,012 --> 00:55:29,016 and her lipstick was smeared around her mouth, 1222 00:55:29,018 --> 00:55:32,013 and she said "I just found Scott." 1223 00:55:32,015 --> 00:55:35,021 And she found him in the jeep-- In the car-- 1224 00:55:35,023 --> 00:55:37,003 near the carriage house. 1225 00:55:37,005 --> 00:55:39,009 And what he had done 1226 00:55:39,011 --> 00:55:43,016 was take the hose from the vacuum cleaner, 1227 00:55:43,018 --> 00:55:46,006 and put the hose from the exhaust pipe 1228 00:55:46,008 --> 00:55:48,029 inside the car. 1229 00:55:53,014 --> 00:55:56,003 [LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN'S "MOONLIGHT SONATA" PLAYING] 1230 00:56:02,017 --> 00:56:04,000 HART: When my brother died, 1231 00:56:04,002 --> 00:56:07,025 I decided to make a film. 1232 00:56:11,014 --> 00:56:14,010 It was too painful for me to, like, 1233 00:56:14,012 --> 00:56:16,004 really deal with his suicide, 1234 00:56:16,006 --> 00:56:20,017 So I made the film about a, uh, 1235 00:56:20,019 --> 00:56:23,008 sculptor friend of my mother's who came from Spain 1236 00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:26,014 to make a sculpture for the grave. 1237 00:56:29,023 --> 00:56:33,021 I documented the process of making the sculpture. 1238 00:56:33,023 --> 00:56:36,001 And the instillation. 1239 00:56:41,001 --> 00:56:44,026 I thought that maybe in the course of making the film 1240 00:56:44,028 --> 00:56:48,024 I could find some meaning about my brother's suicide. 1241 00:57:01,009 --> 00:57:03,009 MARTINE: It took me about seven, eight years 1242 00:57:03,011 --> 00:57:06,009 to come back to normal. 1243 00:57:06,011 --> 00:57:09,023 I was mutilated when he died. I was mutilated. 1244 00:57:09,025 --> 00:57:12,008 Half of me was dead. 1245 00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:15,026 Completely dead. 1246 00:57:32,011 --> 00:57:35,020 HART: My parents were shattered. 1247 00:57:35,022 --> 00:57:39,006 It was like broken glass. Shattered. 1248 00:57:47,029 --> 00:57:50,020 HART: What-- What did happen to him? 1249 00:57:50,022 --> 00:57:55,019 Well, he obviously committed suicide. 1250 00:57:55,021 --> 00:57:58,000 HART: Why do you think he did it? 1251 00:57:58,002 --> 00:57:59,010 "Why did he do it?" 1252 00:57:59,012 --> 00:58:01,010 Well, he was... 1253 00:58:01,012 --> 00:58:05,017 in a terrible state of depression. 1254 00:58:05,019 --> 00:58:08,024 What brought on the depression, I don't know. 1255 00:58:13,024 --> 00:58:17,023 I don't know. I don't know. 1256 00:58:25,028 --> 00:58:28,011 I can't tell you. 1257 00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:37,012 I can't tell you. 1258 00:58:37,014 --> 00:58:40,009 I can't tell you. The words don't exist 1259 00:58:40,011 --> 00:58:44,011 to tell another person 1260 00:58:44,013 --> 00:58:47,017 how destroyed 1261 00:58:47,019 --> 00:58:49,021 part of you has been. 1262 00:58:49,023 --> 00:58:51,007 They just don't exist. 1263 00:58:51,009 --> 00:58:53,012 I can't tell you. But I can tell you 1264 00:58:53,014 --> 00:58:56,005 that it's something you never recover from. 1265 00:58:57,017 --> 00:59:01,013 What is true is that life goes on, 1266 00:59:01,015 --> 00:59:03,008 but not the way you wanted it to, 1267 00:59:03,010 --> 00:59:06,014 and not the way you planned for it to. 1268 00:59:06,016 --> 00:59:09,005 But you don't recover. 1269 00:59:09,007 --> 00:59:11,003 I don't think. 1270 00:59:11,005 --> 00:59:13,010 [♪♪] 1271 00:59:18,005 --> 00:59:20,008 [BIRD CAWING] 1272 00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:31,015 HART: I thought if Evan was going to kill himself, 1273 00:59:31,017 --> 00:59:34,024 it'd be similar to my experience with my brother. 1274 00:59:34,026 --> 00:59:38,017 It was like a slow decline. 1275 00:59:38,019 --> 00:59:42,020 But Evan seemed to be actually doing pretty well. 1276 00:59:42,022 --> 00:59:45,015 What can I get you? BOY: I want a beer. 1277 00:59:45,017 --> 00:59:48,002 Light? Yeah. 1278 00:59:48,004 --> 00:59:50,012 [BOY BELCHES] 1279 00:59:50,014 --> 00:59:51,028 Ha-ha. 1280 00:59:53,015 --> 00:59:54,025 So why are you out so late? 1281 00:59:54,027 --> 00:59:57,008 Well, I've just seen a Kiss concert, man. 1282 00:59:57,010 --> 00:59:59,024 Kiss rules! Kiss rocks! 1283 00:59:59,026 --> 01:00:02,010 [BOTH YELLING INDISTINCTLY] 1284 01:00:02,012 --> 01:00:04,018 HART: That's good, now watch him leave. 1285 01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:06,020 Hey, hey, hey. 1286 01:00:06,022 --> 01:00:08,005 HART: He didn't pay. 1287 01:00:08,007 --> 01:00:11,024 Yeah. I just went like, "Hey!" 1288 01:00:11,026 --> 01:00:13,012 HART: Run, run, Mike. 1289 01:00:13,014 --> 01:00:15,008 Run, Evan. 1290 01:00:15,010 --> 01:00:17,014 You know, I mean, Evan was never, you know, 1291 01:00:17,016 --> 01:00:21,011 like an over-the-top, effervescent, happy kid. 1292 01:00:21,013 --> 01:00:24,019 But from all the-- The markers: 1293 01:00:24,021 --> 01:00:27,004 Is he getting into trouble? No. 1294 01:00:27,006 --> 01:00:28,022 Not at all. 1295 01:00:28,024 --> 01:00:30,017 Can you do the fish? 1296 01:00:30,019 --> 01:00:32,019 The fish! Like this. 1297 01:00:32,021 --> 01:00:35,021 I can do the snake. Like that. 1298 01:00:35,023 --> 01:00:37,013 I can do the seashell. 1299 01:00:37,015 --> 01:00:39,000 HART: Have we seen the police? 1300 01:00:39,002 --> 01:00:40,019 And we certainly did see the police 1301 01:00:40,021 --> 01:00:43,018 for a number of occasions before Wellspring. 1302 01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:44,029 No police. 1303 01:00:45,001 --> 01:00:47,004 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1304 01:00:48,017 --> 01:00:50,012 Take it with me. 1305 01:00:50,014 --> 01:00:54,002 DANA: Evan was doing so well. It was like a miracle. 1306 01:00:54,004 --> 01:00:57,015 We couldn't believe it. You just couldn't believe it. 1307 01:00:59,010 --> 01:01:02,008 Is this the same kid? I mean, here he is, and he's growing, 1308 01:01:02,010 --> 01:01:05,006 and he's popular, and he has his lovely friends, 1309 01:01:05,008 --> 01:01:07,016 and they have a wonderful time. 1310 01:01:07,018 --> 01:01:09,003 Suddenly there's hair there 1311 01:01:09,005 --> 01:01:11,019 and his jaw gets firmer and he's taller than I am. 1312 01:01:11,021 --> 01:01:14,021 And he's a man. He's a young man. 1313 01:01:14,023 --> 01:01:16,027 Very handsome, very popular with the girls. 1314 01:01:16,029 --> 01:01:19,013 But not really all that interested in them. 1315 01:01:19,015 --> 01:01:21,017 His voice went from like this to like this. 1316 01:01:21,019 --> 01:01:23,024 Like, you're-- You're in the shot. 1317 01:01:23,026 --> 01:01:25,002 Like-- 1318 01:01:25,004 --> 01:01:26,012 [ALL LAUGHING] 1319 01:01:29,008 --> 01:01:31,010 Like, let's worry about the door shot, 1320 01:01:31,012 --> 01:01:32,029 let's do that when I'm not filming. 1321 01:01:33,001 --> 01:01:34,024 BOY: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, do the shot. 1322 01:01:34,026 --> 01:01:37,018 You know, like after he comes in you can do that-- 1323 01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:38,025 BOY: All right. 1324 01:01:38,027 --> 01:01:40,015 DANA: He really hated being sick. 1325 01:01:40,017 --> 01:01:43,010 GIRL: We went-- We were like-- Did you hear us yelling outside? 1326 01:01:43,012 --> 01:01:44,022 We were like, "Evan!" 1327 01:01:44,024 --> 01:01:46,011 Three E, 3W, whatever. 1328 01:01:46,013 --> 01:01:47,019 He didn't wanna be different. 1329 01:01:47,021 --> 01:01:48,025 What teenage boy does? 1330 01:01:48,027 --> 01:01:50,010 Yeah, so I'll see you guys later. 1331 01:01:50,012 --> 01:01:52,010 In, like, half an hour. I just have to wait for-- 1332 01:01:52,012 --> 01:01:54,008 Okay, it's just Angela's around the corner. 1333 01:01:54,010 --> 01:01:55,011 All right. Bye. 1334 01:01:55,013 --> 01:01:57,005 I'll see you soon. Bye! 1335 01:01:57,007 --> 01:01:59,010 [CHATTER] 1336 01:02:00,008 --> 01:02:02,019 GIRL: Oh, my gosh, what? 1337 01:02:04,024 --> 01:02:06,023 Oh, are we talking about this again? 1338 01:02:10,006 --> 01:02:12,015 Are you better now? Yay. 1339 01:02:12,017 --> 01:02:14,002 High five. 1340 01:02:14,004 --> 01:02:16,028 NICHOLAS: A lot of the time he seemed really out of it to me. 1341 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,017 And I really attributed that to his drugs. 1342 01:02:20,019 --> 01:02:23,025 'Cause I remember going through a turnstile door with him 1343 01:02:23,027 --> 01:02:26,015 and him sort of just stopping in the middle, 1344 01:02:26,017 --> 01:02:28,001 or not really paying attention 1345 01:02:28,003 --> 01:02:29,021 to what was going on around him, 1346 01:02:29,023 --> 01:02:32,006 and I'd stop and say "What is it with this kid?" 1347 01:02:32,008 --> 01:02:34,019 And I'd say, "Oh, well, he's taking lithium." 1348 01:02:34,021 --> 01:02:36,020 DANA: We had been talking for a while 1349 01:02:36,022 --> 01:02:38,022 about trying without the medication, 1350 01:02:38,024 --> 01:02:40,023 'cause it made him tired, it made his mouth dry, 1351 01:02:40,025 --> 01:02:43,007 it was really something he didn't wanna do. 1352 01:02:43,009 --> 01:02:45,024 So we said "Okay. 1353 01:02:45,026 --> 01:02:49,011 You know, you-- You really wanna try this?" 1354 01:02:49,013 --> 01:02:50,023 And he really did. 1355 01:02:50,025 --> 01:02:53,004 And the doctor said, "Okay." 1356 01:02:53,006 --> 01:02:56,027 So he gradually went down in the lithium dose 1357 01:02:56,029 --> 01:02:59,018 over a course of four to six weeks. 1358 01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:03,001 LADD: "March 30th, 2005. 1359 01:03:03,003 --> 01:03:05,003 "Lithium 0.56. 1360 01:03:05,005 --> 01:03:07,013 "Now sub therapeutic. 1361 01:03:07,015 --> 01:03:10,026 "Was 1200 milligrams, didn't take meds for a few days, 1362 01:03:10,028 --> 01:03:12,017 "became quote 'more talkative.' 1363 01:03:12,019 --> 01:03:16,011 "At first, decreased lithium was difficult, 1364 01:03:16,013 --> 01:03:18,010 "now fine. 1365 01:03:18,012 --> 01:03:21,023 He feels better on lower dose." 1366 01:03:21,025 --> 01:03:23,024 After awhile I wasn't that conv-- 1367 01:03:23,026 --> 01:03:25,020 You know, that he really was-- 1368 01:03:25,022 --> 01:03:27,027 I mean, I knew he was bipolar, but-- 1369 01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:30,015 He seemed so fine. 1370 01:03:30,017 --> 01:03:33,014 Also, I remember we talked to him head on, 1371 01:03:33,016 --> 01:03:36,022 "Do you have thoughts of suicide? 1372 01:03:36,024 --> 01:03:39,005 Do you wanna kill yourself? Do you wanna harm yourself?" 1373 01:03:39,007 --> 01:03:41,021 And he said no, you know. 1374 01:03:41,023 --> 01:03:43,019 "I don't." 1375 01:03:43,021 --> 01:03:44,026 [♪♪] 1376 01:03:47,002 --> 01:03:50,011 WOMAN: Kids know that if they say certain things, 1377 01:03:50,013 --> 01:03:53,017 or if they do certain things, they're gonna be stopped. 1378 01:03:53,019 --> 01:03:55,011 You know. Especially if they have parents 1379 01:03:55,013 --> 01:03:58,002 who are attentive to what's going on with them. 1380 01:03:58,004 --> 01:04:01,019 So if a kid really doesn't wanna be stopped, 1381 01:04:01,021 --> 01:04:04,006 he's not gonna say anything. 1382 01:04:04,008 --> 01:04:06,021 Evan may have gotten to the point where he got really-- 1383 01:04:06,023 --> 01:04:09,017 Just better at masking it externally. 1384 01:04:09,019 --> 01:04:13,012 But internally, it's a lot of suffering, 1385 01:04:13,014 --> 01:04:15,005 and this was just the beginning, I mean, 1386 01:04:15,007 --> 01:04:17,006 it started when he was much younger, 1387 01:04:17,008 --> 01:04:20,013 and it wasn't going away. 1388 01:04:20,015 --> 01:04:23,019 HART: We went on vacation for two weeks in Nantucket. 1389 01:04:23,021 --> 01:04:26,023 And he seemed depressed. He seemed subdued. 1390 01:04:26,025 --> 01:04:28,010 Didn't seem too happy. 1391 01:04:28,012 --> 01:04:31,008 He wasn't doing good. 1392 01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:33,002 DANA: Then school started. 1393 01:04:33,004 --> 01:04:36,005 He's sullen, he's depressed. 1394 01:04:36,007 --> 01:04:38,024 As the weeks unfolded in September, 1395 01:04:38,026 --> 01:04:41,000 he started getting more anxious about his homework. 1396 01:04:41,002 --> 01:04:43,029 And at one point, he came to me and he said very seriously, 1397 01:04:44,001 --> 01:04:45,022 "Mom, I need your help. 1398 01:04:45,024 --> 01:04:48,024 I need you to stay after me." 1399 01:04:48,026 --> 01:04:51,018 HART: We had contacted his psychiatrist 1400 01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:54,021 and tried to make a meeting as soon as possible 1401 01:04:54,023 --> 01:04:57,020 to increase his dose of lithium. 1402 01:04:57,022 --> 01:04:59,028 DANA: We said, "Let's get him back on the lithium, 1403 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,019 this experiment didn't work." 1404 01:05:01,021 --> 01:05:03,017 So we made an appointment with the doctor 1405 01:05:03,019 --> 01:05:07,008 for the following Tuesday. October 4th. 1406 01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:09,015 [♪♪] 1407 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,005 ADAM: We hung out with him that Friday night. 1408 01:05:14,007 --> 01:05:17,021 We went to another teen club, me and Nick. 1409 01:05:17,023 --> 01:05:21,001 We invited Evan to go, but he just didn't want to. 1410 01:05:21,003 --> 01:05:23,004 I mean, it might've been his curfew or whatever, 1411 01:05:23,006 --> 01:05:24,015 he just didn't wanna go. 1412 01:05:24,017 --> 01:05:26,026 And we didn't think it was that big of a deal. 1413 01:05:26,028 --> 01:05:28,006 We were just like, "Whatever, 1414 01:05:28,008 --> 01:05:30,026 he wants to go home and chill, so..." 1415 01:05:30,028 --> 01:05:33,003 There was nothing really beforehand 1416 01:05:33,005 --> 01:05:34,022 that we could've seen. 1417 01:05:34,024 --> 01:05:37,004 I think if, like, 1418 01:05:37,006 --> 01:05:39,024 if someone is that sure 1419 01:05:39,026 --> 01:05:41,015 that they wanna do that to themselves, 1420 01:05:41,017 --> 01:05:44,013 they're gonna hide it from someone, you know. 1421 01:05:47,025 --> 01:05:50,025 NICHOLAS: The night he died I came over for dinner. 1422 01:05:50,027 --> 01:05:53,021 It was a Sunday evening. 1423 01:05:53,023 --> 01:05:54,029 We were all eating together, 1424 01:05:55,001 --> 01:05:59,013 and I know Evan had some homework that was unfinished, 1425 01:05:59,015 --> 01:06:02,018 and he was... 1426 01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:04,007 being a little obnoxious 1427 01:06:04,009 --> 01:06:05,027 about not wanting to do his homework, 1428 01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:08,013 and started putting his feet on the table, 1429 01:06:08,015 --> 01:06:12,004 and, you know, his mom was nagging him about his homework. 1430 01:06:12,006 --> 01:06:14,021 And they had a tiff. 1431 01:06:14,023 --> 01:06:16,017 And he was mad. 1432 01:06:16,019 --> 01:06:19,005 The fight was very intense. 1433 01:06:19,007 --> 01:06:20,016 As it often was. 1434 01:06:20,018 --> 01:06:24,010 And, um, you know, really just deeply intense. 1435 01:06:24,012 --> 01:06:26,016 I was doing the dishes, and I was hot. 1436 01:06:26,018 --> 01:06:28,029 You know. I was tired of this. 1437 01:06:29,001 --> 01:06:32,023 And he goes up the stairs and he said, "Mom, I hate you." 1438 01:06:32,025 --> 01:06:35,023 HART: And he shuts the door. And he locks it. 1439 01:06:35,025 --> 01:06:39,029 NICHOLAS: Leaving that night, I didn't think anything of it. 1440 01:06:40,001 --> 01:06:43,029 He wasn't behaving in any way that would make me think, 1441 01:06:44,001 --> 01:06:47,010 "This child is gonna end his life tonight." 1442 01:06:47,012 --> 01:06:50,024 Not in a million, million, million years. 1443 01:06:50,026 --> 01:06:53,023 I mean, on my good days 1444 01:06:53,025 --> 01:06:56,018 I've acted worse than him at dinner. 1445 01:06:56,020 --> 01:06:58,020 By this time it's around 10:00, 1446 01:06:58,022 --> 01:07:02,027 and I went into our bedroom with Mikey, 1447 01:07:02,029 --> 01:07:04,014 and we're both reading. 1448 01:07:04,016 --> 01:07:06,021 I was reading for a little bit, 1449 01:07:06,023 --> 01:07:09,020 and I go to check in on Evan. 1450 01:07:09,022 --> 01:07:10,028 And he's unlocked the door. 1451 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,019 I go in he's sitting in his underwear 1452 01:07:13,021 --> 01:07:16,013 on his bed with his computer 1453 01:07:16,015 --> 01:07:18,012 And, you know, I came over and I said, 1454 01:07:18,014 --> 01:07:22,019 "Well, how you doing? What's-- What's happening?" 1455 01:07:22,021 --> 01:07:25,004 And he said, "I'm fine, Dad. 1456 01:07:25,006 --> 01:07:27,015 I'm doing my homework." 1457 01:07:27,017 --> 01:07:29,029 His computer, it looked as though he was 1458 01:07:30,001 --> 01:07:31,023 doing his homework, 1459 01:07:31,025 --> 01:07:34,022 so I go back to read with Mikey 1460 01:07:34,024 --> 01:07:39,003 for another five minutes, and, uh, 1461 01:07:39,005 --> 01:07:41,004 you know, it's Mikey's bedtime. 1462 01:07:41,006 --> 01:07:43,011 So I bring Mikey into the room 1463 01:07:43,013 --> 01:07:47,006 and Evan's not there. 1464 01:07:47,008 --> 01:07:49,002 [♪♪] 1465 01:07:49,004 --> 01:07:52,024 I immediately thought that he had jumped out the window. 1466 01:07:54,013 --> 01:07:58,010 But it was an airshaft so you couldn't really see anything. 1467 01:08:00,013 --> 01:08:03,025 Mikey shows up with this little penlight 1468 01:08:03,027 --> 01:08:05,016 and I shine it down the shaft, 1469 01:08:05,018 --> 01:08:08,024 and I think I see something but it's hard to tell. 1470 01:08:08,026 --> 01:08:11,014 Uh, and I'm starting to, you know, 1471 01:08:11,016 --> 01:08:13,028 feel pretty concerned at this point, 1472 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,004 and I run downstairs to find the super, 1473 01:08:17,006 --> 01:08:20,008 who had access to the airshaft. 1474 01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:23,025 I guess I was downstairs and, uh, 1475 01:08:23,027 --> 01:08:27,018 about to recline and watch TV 1476 01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:30,013 and I was, uh, half asleep, I guess. 1477 01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:33,005 And nothing unusual, 1478 01:08:33,007 --> 01:08:35,021 I just heard a noise. 1479 01:08:35,023 --> 01:08:37,029 And I thought nothing of it. 1480 01:08:38,001 --> 01:08:41,025 I thought maybe the girl upstairs dropped something. 1481 01:08:41,027 --> 01:08:43,019 Nothing. Nothing. 1482 01:08:43,021 --> 01:08:47,009 And I guess, I don't know how many minutes later, 1483 01:08:47,011 --> 01:08:50,024 uh, somebody came banging on-- Was banging on my door. 1484 01:08:50,026 --> 01:08:53,013 We were with Roger, we had the light. 1485 01:08:53,015 --> 01:08:56,018 I had, um, a cell phone and keys. 1486 01:08:56,020 --> 01:08:59,013 And, uh, we went through this labyrinth, some kind of way. 1487 01:08:59,015 --> 01:09:02,024 And Hart got there first. And, um, and Evan was there. 1488 01:09:02,026 --> 01:09:06,015 And, um, he was on his back, 1489 01:09:06,017 --> 01:09:07,027 and there was blood. 1490 01:09:07,029 --> 01:09:10,021 I thought he might be alive. 1491 01:09:10,023 --> 01:09:15,024 But I-- I felt his pulse, and he wasn't. 1492 01:09:21,027 --> 01:09:23,029 So it got pretty chaotic. 1493 01:09:24,001 --> 01:09:25,016 I was screaming, "Evan, Evan, 1494 01:09:25,018 --> 01:09:27,026 Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan!" 1495 01:09:27,028 --> 01:09:31,000 You know, "Evan." I just-- "Please." 1496 01:09:31,002 --> 01:09:33,014 And I went-- And Hart was in front of me, 1497 01:09:33,016 --> 01:09:37,005 and I said, "Get out of the way, I wanna give him mouth-to-mouth, 1498 01:09:37,007 --> 01:09:39,018 I wanna-- Move out of the way." 1499 01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:42,011 And he said, "Dana, just go-- 1500 01:09:42,013 --> 01:09:45,001 The paramedics are coming, go upstairs, take care of Michael, 1501 01:09:45,003 --> 01:09:47,012 take care of-- It's okay. And he was very calm. 1502 01:09:47,014 --> 01:09:49,011 I called Nick 1503 01:09:49,013 --> 01:09:52,028 to come and look after 1504 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,024 Mikey and Dana, 1505 01:09:54,026 --> 01:09:59,000 'cause I had to go to the hospital with-- With Evan. 1506 01:09:59,002 --> 01:10:00,010 I was there comforting Michael, 1507 01:10:00,012 --> 01:10:02,000 and we were praying and I thought 1508 01:10:02,002 --> 01:10:03,016 that maybe he'd still live, 1509 01:10:03,018 --> 01:10:06,021 maybe he's just broken some bones, maybe he'll live. 1510 01:10:06,023 --> 01:10:07,029 And, um, at some point, 1511 01:10:08,001 --> 01:10:09,014 I don't know when, but Nick showed up. 1512 01:10:09,016 --> 01:10:12,003 NICHOLAS: We pulled up in front of the house, 1513 01:10:12,005 --> 01:10:13,016 there were police cars outside, 1514 01:10:13,018 --> 01:10:16,005 it was, like, "This is fucking real. This is real." 1515 01:10:16,007 --> 01:10:18,012 And I walked into the apartment, 1516 01:10:18,014 --> 01:10:22,006 and there were police officers downstairs. 1517 01:10:22,008 --> 01:10:23,025 You know, they looked at me 1518 01:10:23,027 --> 01:10:26,019 and started approaching me to say, you know, "Who are you?" 1519 01:10:26,021 --> 01:10:30,005 And I pushed them out of the way and just ran to Dana. 1520 01:10:30,007 --> 01:10:32,009 And Michael was so amazing, 'cause he kept saying, 1521 01:10:32,011 --> 01:10:34,027 "Mom, he's gonna be okay, Mom, he's gonna be okay. 1522 01:10:34,029 --> 01:10:37,019 Mom, he's gonna be okay, Mom, he's gonna be okay." 1523 01:10:37,021 --> 01:10:40,001 And we're just holding each other, and then, you know, 1524 01:10:40,003 --> 01:10:42,026 then Hart called and I just knew immediately-- 1525 01:10:42,028 --> 01:10:45,007 Just knew immediately what happened, that he was dead. 1526 01:10:45,009 --> 01:10:47,021 I just couldn't believe it. 1527 01:10:49,020 --> 01:10:52,016 So then, um, Jean drove me to the hospital, 1528 01:10:52,018 --> 01:10:55,024 and he was at St. Vincent's, where he had been before, 1529 01:10:55,026 --> 01:10:59,010 and I was taken into the room where he was, 1530 01:10:59,012 --> 01:11:01,029 on the stretcher, and, um-- 1531 01:11:07,024 --> 01:11:11,001 Um, you know, he wasn't cold, and he had his, um, 1532 01:11:11,003 --> 01:11:12,011 he had his boxer shorts on. 1533 01:11:12,013 --> 01:11:15,003 I took the sheet down like this, I held him, 1534 01:11:15,005 --> 01:11:18,004 and, um, I closed his eyes. 1535 01:11:18,006 --> 01:11:20,009 And that was it. 1536 01:11:23,008 --> 01:11:25,020 And then... 1537 01:11:25,022 --> 01:11:29,000 I got a call in the car 1538 01:11:29,002 --> 01:11:31,029 from Nick, 1539 01:11:32,001 --> 01:11:35,009 and he said, "I found his note. 1540 01:11:35,011 --> 01:11:36,013 I found his note." 1541 01:11:36,015 --> 01:11:38,020 [♪♪] 1542 01:11:40,005 --> 01:11:43,016 NICHOLAS: I remember the officers asking me 1543 01:11:43,018 --> 01:11:45,012 whether there was a suicide note, 1544 01:11:45,014 --> 01:11:48,006 and I hadn't even thought about that, 1545 01:11:48,008 --> 01:11:51,002 and we looked around his room, 1546 01:11:51,004 --> 01:11:53,025 and there was nothing, and then he pointed to the computer, 1547 01:11:53,027 --> 01:11:57,012 and opened it, touched the screen, 1548 01:11:57,014 --> 01:12:00,003 and, sure enough, 1549 01:12:00,005 --> 01:12:03,008 a letter came up. 1550 01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:05,014 [♪♪] 1551 01:13:15,002 --> 01:13:16,004 To be honest, 1552 01:13:16,006 --> 01:13:20,003 the gist of the letter was... 1553 01:13:20,005 --> 01:13:23,004 what every fucking 15-year-old 1554 01:13:23,006 --> 01:13:25,000 thinks about themself. 1555 01:13:25,002 --> 01:13:27,025 That "I'm not good enough, 1556 01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:30,011 "no one likes me, 1557 01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:32,028 things won't get better." 1558 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,004 The difference is Evan felt that 1559 01:13:36,006 --> 01:13:38,026 20,000 times stronger 1560 01:13:38,028 --> 01:13:41,008 than any normal 15-year-old, 1561 01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:44,026 and he believed more strongly 1562 01:13:44,028 --> 01:13:46,013 that things wouldn't get better 1563 01:13:46,015 --> 01:13:48,011 and that there was no future, 1564 01:13:48,013 --> 01:13:53,002 and living was too painful, 1565 01:13:53,004 --> 01:13:56,029 too difficult, and... 1566 01:13:57,001 --> 01:14:00,012 death was his only answer. 1567 01:14:00,014 --> 01:14:03,004 But it was, I mean, verbatim-- 1568 01:14:03,006 --> 01:14:07,004 I could've checked off that list and, you know, 1569 01:14:07,006 --> 01:14:11,010 if he had showed me that note before he made his decision, 1570 01:14:11,012 --> 01:14:13,008 I could've gone through it with him and said, 1571 01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:16,013 "Thought that, thought that, thought that. 1572 01:14:16,015 --> 01:14:19,001 "I realized they're all untrue for me, 1573 01:14:19,003 --> 01:14:23,000 "they're definitely all untrue for you. 1574 01:14:23,002 --> 01:14:25,024 "You know, and some of the qualities about yourself 1575 01:14:25,026 --> 01:14:27,017 "that make you feel different right now, 1576 01:14:27,019 --> 01:14:29,014 "you're gonna learn in five years 1577 01:14:29,016 --> 01:14:31,002 "that those are your best qualities, 1578 01:14:31,004 --> 01:14:34,014 "and those are what set you apart from people 1579 01:14:34,016 --> 01:14:35,028 "and make you interesting 1580 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,023 and attract others to you." 1581 01:14:39,025 --> 01:14:43,006 But, you know, 1582 01:14:43,008 --> 01:14:46,022 that opportunity did not arise. 1583 01:14:55,027 --> 01:14:58,013 So, what do you make of that? 1584 01:15:00,025 --> 01:15:02,006 I think 1585 01:15:02,008 --> 01:15:05,025 that he foresaw-- 1586 01:15:05,027 --> 01:15:07,014 He must have been getting 1587 01:15:07,016 --> 01:15:11,000 a glimpse of adult life, 1588 01:15:11,002 --> 01:15:13,006 and that he foresaw 1589 01:15:13,008 --> 01:15:16,006 that he was not going to make it 1590 01:15:16,008 --> 01:15:18,011 in the way that he wanted to make it. 1591 01:15:19,012 --> 01:15:22,008 You know, in psychiatry, 1592 01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:24,001 bipolar is our cancer. 1593 01:15:24,003 --> 01:15:25,028 It kills people. 1594 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,029 You do everything you can, and some people can be saved, 1595 01:15:29,001 --> 01:15:30,022 and probably we could've saved-- 1596 01:15:30,024 --> 01:15:34,021 Definitely we could've saved him for a while, 1597 01:15:34,023 --> 01:15:37,005 but he would have gone off his medication, 1598 01:15:37,007 --> 01:15:40,017 They-- All these kids do, they all go off them. 1599 01:15:40,019 --> 01:15:43,020 And when he went off, he just went so fast. 1600 01:15:43,022 --> 01:15:45,018 Maybe his illness was changing 1601 01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:48,019 into the type where people really do get crazy. 1602 01:15:48,021 --> 01:15:50,003 He never talked about any of this? 1603 01:15:50,005 --> 01:15:51,004 Any of that. No. 1604 01:15:51,006 --> 01:15:53,000 No? He never talked--? Any of that. 1605 01:15:53,002 --> 01:15:55,014 He denied feeling it, he never talked about any of this. 1606 01:15:55,016 --> 01:15:59,015 Never did he say anything like he didn't trust his friends? 1607 01:15:59,017 --> 01:16:01,012 But this is crazy talk. That's crazy talk. 1608 01:16:01,014 --> 01:16:03,005 HART: I mean, you know... Crazy talk, 1609 01:16:03,007 --> 01:16:04,011 but it's done so sanely. 1610 01:16:04,013 --> 01:16:06,029 Numbered, and so precise. 1611 01:16:07,001 --> 01:16:10,021 That's what makes me so mad with all the portrayals of, uh, 1612 01:16:10,023 --> 01:16:14,013 mental illness that you see on TV and movies, 1613 01:16:14,015 --> 01:16:18,015 it's like raving, crazy, foaming at the mouth, 1614 01:16:18,017 --> 01:16:21,024 not, you know, "sanely" sitting there-- 1615 01:16:21,026 --> 01:16:26,008 Hyper-sanely-- typing this, you know, horrible thing out. 1616 01:16:26,010 --> 01:16:27,020 Ch, ch, ch, ch, ch. 1617 01:16:27,022 --> 01:16:31,009 Just with thought, already knowing he was gonna do it. 1618 01:16:31,011 --> 01:16:33,028 You know, that's insanity. 1619 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,004 [♪♪] 1620 01:16:48,026 --> 01:16:50,010 [THUNDER CRASHES] 1621 01:17:34,025 --> 01:17:38,019 On behalf of the congregation of this church 1622 01:17:38,021 --> 01:17:40,010 I would like to welcome all of you 1623 01:17:40,012 --> 01:17:44,008 in mourning the passing of Evan today. 1624 01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:46,019 This is a place... 1625 01:17:46,021 --> 01:17:48,018 MARTINE: When I went to Evan's funeral, 1626 01:17:48,020 --> 01:17:53,001 I felt that I was going through the same thing again, 1627 01:17:53,003 --> 01:17:55,013 it was like a repeat. It was the same church, 1628 01:17:55,015 --> 01:17:57,029 it was the same family. 1629 01:17:58,001 --> 01:18:02,011 It was that little boy, 35 years later. 1630 01:18:02,013 --> 01:18:04,013 And Beati was with me. 1631 01:18:04,015 --> 01:18:08,018 Scott's mother-- And Evan's grandmother, 1632 01:18:08,020 --> 01:18:10,025 and Hart's mother-- was sitting next to me 1633 01:18:10,027 --> 01:18:13,005 and hold-- Hanging onto me, 1634 01:18:13,007 --> 01:18:15,011 and she would say during the ceremony, 1635 01:18:15,013 --> 01:18:18,005 she would say, "Martine, why did Scott die? 1636 01:18:18,007 --> 01:18:19,027 Why did Scott kill himself?" 1637 01:18:19,029 --> 01:18:22,029 And, you know, she knew that she had a son 1638 01:18:23,001 --> 01:18:24,027 who committed suicide, 1639 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,029 and who died, but she could not remember. 1640 01:18:29,001 --> 01:18:31,004 [CONGREGATION PRAYING] 1641 01:18:35,029 --> 01:18:38,013 I was briefly trying to explain to her 1642 01:18:38,015 --> 01:18:41,017 that it was the same disease, 1643 01:18:41,019 --> 01:18:44,023 that he died for the same reasons Evan died. 1644 01:18:44,025 --> 01:18:47,028 I feel relieved to know that Evan has found peace, 1645 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,021 even if it means that we must take on pain. 1646 01:18:50,023 --> 01:18:52,029 Through his memory we realize 1647 01:18:53,001 --> 01:18:56,014 the extreme precariousness and preciousness of life. 1648 01:18:56,016 --> 01:18:59,012 We must cherish and savor the lives we have, 1649 01:18:59,014 --> 01:19:01,011 the relationships we enjoy, 1650 01:19:01,013 --> 01:19:05,024 as much as we can for as long as we can. 1651 01:19:05,026 --> 01:19:07,029 [SOFT MUSIC PLAYING] 1652 01:19:12,001 --> 01:19:15,009 ♪ May God bless And keep you always ♪ 1653 01:19:15,011 --> 01:19:18,009 ♪ May your wishes All come true ♪ 1654 01:19:18,011 --> 01:19:21,009 ♪ May you always do for others ♪ 1655 01:19:21,011 --> 01:19:24,012 ♪ That others do for you ♪ 1656 01:19:24,014 --> 01:19:27,016 ♪ May you build a ladder To the stars ♪ 1657 01:19:27,018 --> 01:19:29,026 ♪ Climb on every rung ♪ 1658 01:19:29,028 --> 01:19:32,028 ♪ May you stay ♪ 1659 01:19:35,012 --> 01:19:40,013 BOTH: ♪ Forever young ♪ 1660 01:19:40,015 --> 01:19:42,023 A lot of the time, before I go to sleep, 1661 01:19:42,025 --> 01:19:45,015 sometimes I just, I mean, 1662 01:19:45,017 --> 01:19:48,006 I can't help but think about him. 1663 01:19:48,008 --> 01:19:50,003 You don't wanna, like, 1664 01:19:50,005 --> 01:19:52,006 make everything depressed 1665 01:19:52,008 --> 01:19:56,023 by talking about it every day, you know? 1666 01:19:56,025 --> 01:19:59,022 But it's always there, you know. 1667 01:19:59,024 --> 01:20:01,028 I mean, you can't not talk about it. 1668 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,007 When I read his note, 1669 01:20:03,009 --> 01:20:06,004 I could tell that it was spirit of the moment, 1670 01:20:06,006 --> 01:20:08,012 and that, hopefully at least, 1671 01:20:08,014 --> 01:20:11,011 he didn't mean some of the stuff that he said. 1672 01:20:11,013 --> 01:20:14,011 His note, it didn't come from the Evan I knew. 1673 01:20:14,013 --> 01:20:17,007 It was just-- It was depressing 1674 01:20:17,009 --> 01:20:21,008 to see, like, just the horrible stuff he said 1675 01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:25,012 about not having friends, and... 1676 01:20:26,011 --> 01:20:29,009 I know he didn't mean it. 1677 01:20:33,022 --> 01:20:37,023 BOTH: ♪ May you stay ♪ 1678 01:20:39,014 --> 01:20:42,025 ♪ Forever young ♪ 1679 01:20:45,019 --> 01:20:48,008 To thy hands, oh merciful savior, 1680 01:20:48,010 --> 01:20:52,009 we command thy servant, Evan. 1681 01:20:52,011 --> 01:20:56,006 Receive him into the arms of thy mercy, 1682 01:20:56,008 --> 01:21:00,005 into the blessed rest of everlasting peace, 1683 01:21:00,007 --> 01:21:02,013 and into the glorious company 1684 01:21:02,015 --> 01:21:05,009 of the saints in light. 1685 01:21:05,011 --> 01:21:07,013 Amen. ALL: Amen. 1686 01:21:09,006 --> 01:21:11,011 [♪♪] 1687 01:21:53,011 --> 01:21:55,014 [THUNDER CRASHES] 1688 01:22:09,017 --> 01:22:12,024 They forgot to, uh, dig the-- 1689 01:22:12,026 --> 01:22:14,008 MAN: 1690 01:22:14,010 --> 01:22:16,012 Everything but the hole. 1691 01:22:21,011 --> 01:22:23,022 Well, anyway, who would've told them where to dig it? 1692 01:22:23,024 --> 01:22:25,024 I don't know how these things work. 1693 01:22:25,026 --> 01:22:28,004 I don't know, you know. 1694 01:22:28,006 --> 01:22:29,029 Somebody has to mark off where-- 1695 01:22:30,001 --> 01:22:32,023 All right, we'll do it, we'll do it. 1696 01:22:32,025 --> 01:22:35,005 [THUNDER CRASHES] 1697 01:22:35,007 --> 01:22:37,009 Oh, you. 1698 01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:42,012 WOMAN: 1699 01:22:42,014 --> 01:22:43,023 Oh, he's laughing, all right. 1700 01:22:43,025 --> 01:22:45,011 Mm-hm. You better believe it. 1701 01:22:45,013 --> 01:22:48,027 He's roaring over this weather. 1702 01:22:48,029 --> 01:22:51,003 He that raised up Jesus from the dead 1703 01:22:51,005 --> 01:22:53,027 will also give life to our mortal bodies 1704 01:22:53,029 --> 01:22:58,009 in the sure and certain hope of the resurrection to eternal life 1705 01:22:58,011 --> 01:23:00,020 through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1706 01:23:00,022 --> 01:23:04,007 We command to almighty God our brother, Evan, 1707 01:23:04,009 --> 01:23:06,016 and we commit his body to the ground, 1708 01:23:06,018 --> 01:23:09,008 earth to earth, ashes to ashes, 1709 01:23:09,010 --> 01:23:12,007 dust to dust. Amen. 1710 01:23:12,009 --> 01:23:14,005 ALL: Amen. 1711 01:23:14,007 --> 01:23:16,012 [♪♪] 1712 01:23:34,007 --> 01:23:36,010 [THUNDER CRASHES] 1713 01:23:51,018 --> 01:23:55,006 MARTINE: When somebody is that deep 1714 01:23:55,008 --> 01:23:58,004 and far into depression, 1715 01:23:58,006 --> 01:24:02,006 in such incredible pain, there's nothing we can do. 1716 01:24:03,021 --> 01:24:05,019 Nothing. 1717 01:24:08,024 --> 01:24:09,029 BEATRICE: It's survival-- 1718 01:24:10,001 --> 01:24:13,029 Is really very difficult. 1719 01:24:15,029 --> 01:24:18,027 But, anyway, you do the best you can. 1720 01:24:18,029 --> 01:24:21,004 Why else does he put us there? 1721 01:24:21,006 --> 01:24:23,008 You know that. There isn't any-- 1722 01:24:23,010 --> 01:24:26,000 There isn't any choice. 1723 01:24:26,002 --> 01:24:30,017 If you found one, believe me, deary, pass it along. 1724 01:24:30,019 --> 01:24:35,002 'Cause there is no choice. 1725 01:24:35,004 --> 01:24:37,029 There isn't a choice to cope. 1726 01:24:38,001 --> 01:24:39,021 There isn't. 1727 01:24:39,023 --> 01:24:43,000 I have a family. I have people I love and people who love me, 1728 01:24:43,002 --> 01:24:46,008 and, uh, you really have no choice 1729 01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:48,015 but to get up and put one foot in front of the other. 1730 01:24:48,017 --> 01:24:52,013 And, um, basically, 1731 01:24:52,015 --> 01:24:54,014 I think the thing that I think about most is, uh, 1732 01:24:54,016 --> 01:24:56,019 is I just can't believe it. 1733 01:24:56,021 --> 01:24:58,025 I can't believe this. I can't believe it. 1734 01:24:58,027 --> 01:25:00,013 I can't believe I'm sitting here. 1735 01:25:00,015 --> 01:25:04,016 I can't believe... 1736 01:25:04,018 --> 01:25:08,005 that, um... 1737 01:25:08,007 --> 01:25:12,001 that I gave birth to this boy and raised him... 1738 01:25:13,005 --> 01:25:15,000 and buried him. I can't believe it. 1739 01:25:15,002 --> 01:25:16,017 It's just a sense of disbelief. 1740 01:25:16,019 --> 01:25:19,004 I don't know if I'll ever really understand that it's true. 1741 01:25:19,006 --> 01:25:20,009 That this really happened. 1742 01:25:20,011 --> 01:25:21,027 I can't believe it really happened. 1743 01:25:21,029 --> 01:25:23,005 Tell me it's a dream. 1744 01:25:23,007 --> 01:25:25,004 I can't believe it. I can't. 1745 01:25:25,006 --> 01:25:29,000 And I can't believe that the days continue to go by, 1746 01:25:29,002 --> 01:25:30,021 and the-- 1747 01:25:32,006 --> 01:25:36,008 And that the world continues to rotate 1748 01:25:36,010 --> 01:25:37,027 without him. 1749 01:25:37,029 --> 01:25:40,003 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1750 01:25:42,017 --> 01:25:44,012 Oh, nice. Here, look at that. 1751 01:25:44,014 --> 01:25:47,008 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1752 01:25:52,022 --> 01:25:55,002 Into the ground again. 1753 01:25:58,017 --> 01:26:02,000 I hope this tree grows strong and proud, 1754 01:26:02,002 --> 01:26:05,012 and beautiful, to remind us of Evan. 1755 01:26:05,014 --> 01:26:08,020 And always provide beauty and shade 1756 01:26:08,022 --> 01:26:10,025 for future generations. 1757 01:26:10,027 --> 01:26:12,028 DANA: And that every time we see it, 1758 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,012 we'll always think of how much we loved him, 1759 01:26:15,014 --> 01:26:17,029 and how we'll always remember him. 1760 01:26:24,001 --> 01:26:28,027 That's the part that is gonna, I guess, change, 1761 01:26:28,029 --> 01:26:30,028 which is that as time passes 1762 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,023 I'll begin to believe that it's true, 1763 01:26:32,025 --> 01:26:36,019 and that, basically, what I have left of him 1764 01:26:36,021 --> 01:26:40,015 is those-- The 15 years that we had, 1765 01:26:40,017 --> 01:26:43,007 and, uh... 1766 01:26:43,009 --> 01:26:46,016 that there was beauty in that. 1767 01:26:46,018 --> 01:26:49,002 And joy, and, uh, 1768 01:26:49,004 --> 01:26:51,020 that maybe there's a lesson, or maybe we can learn something, 1769 01:26:51,022 --> 01:26:55,023 or-- Or communicate something, but, um, 1770 01:26:55,025 --> 01:26:57,016 you know, in terms of coping it's just, 1771 01:26:57,018 --> 01:27:00,022 you know, it's our choice. 1772 01:27:00,024 --> 01:27:02,029 I don't have a choice. 1773 01:27:04,005 --> 01:27:06,000 There is none. 1774 01:27:08,016 --> 01:27:10,021 [♪♪] 1775 01:27:15,006 --> 01:27:16,020 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1776 01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:04,022 DANA: Even though we lost this battle, 1777 01:28:04,024 --> 01:28:06,017 we'll never forget the experience we had 1778 01:28:06,019 --> 01:28:08,008 at Wellspring. 1779 01:28:10,009 --> 01:28:11,027 [MAN GRUNTING] 1780 01:28:14,016 --> 01:28:17,005 HART: I volunteered to make beams 1781 01:28:17,007 --> 01:28:19,018 for the barn at Wellspring. 1782 01:28:22,011 --> 01:28:24,018 By the farm and sawmill. 1783 01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:29,013 And it was a way of giving something back to Wellspring, 1784 01:28:29,015 --> 01:28:31,024 that had given us so much. 1785 01:28:37,014 --> 01:28:39,005 [SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY] 1786 01:28:39,007 --> 01:28:41,015 DANA: And that's gonna be a building where other kids 1787 01:28:41,017 --> 01:28:46,002 are gonna be able to get the kind of therapy that Evan got. 1788 01:28:49,014 --> 01:28:53,004 These beams here, these are ours. 1789 01:28:53,006 --> 01:28:55,015 All the side beams, 1790 01:28:55,017 --> 01:28:59,007 and look at that inscription over there. 1791 01:29:11,010 --> 01:29:14,021 DANA: Here was an opportunity to make something physical 1792 01:29:14,023 --> 01:29:16,003 in memory of Evan. 1793 01:29:19,027 --> 01:29:22,006 People can say, "Well, who's Evan?" It doesn't matter. 1794 01:29:22,008 --> 01:29:27,005 What matters is, is that, you know, 1795 01:29:27,007 --> 01:29:32,002 somebody loved Evan enough to... 1796 01:29:32,004 --> 01:29:35,018 want to remember his name. 1797 01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:37,020 [♪♪] 1798 01:29:37,022 --> 01:29:39,025 [BIRDS CHIRPING] 1799 01:29:51,029 --> 01:29:54,018 [MAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY IN THE DISTANCE] 1800 01:29:58,016 --> 01:30:02,007 MAN: So we come thanking God for what he has blessed, 1801 01:30:02,009 --> 01:30:04,015 for the sacredness of this land, 1802 01:30:04,017 --> 01:30:06,015 asking that God will continue to watch over 1803 01:30:06,017 --> 01:30:09,027 everyone who works here and all those who've been part of it. 1804 01:30:09,029 --> 01:30:12,002 [APPLAUSE] 1805 01:30:15,007 --> 01:30:17,010 [CHATTER] 1806 01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:33,015 [♪♪] 131386

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