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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,987 --> 00:00:03,570 (gentle music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,450 (plastic bag rustling) 5 00:00:12,521 --> 00:00:16,938 (man speaking in a foreign language) 6 00:00:42,879 --> 00:00:47,296 (man speaking in a foreign language) 7 00:02:06,741 --> 00:02:09,324 (gentle music) 8 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:43,313 - Here are some, 9 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:47,083 books I made. 10 00:02:48,604 --> 00:02:52,799 Actually this is the first one from 1995. 11 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,190 I did it together with my close friend (indistinct) 12 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,086 That was my first really big project called, 13 00:03:03,087 --> 00:03:07,259 "Decadence: In Morbid Colors", in 2006. 14 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:11,987 It was book in exhibition in the Municipal House in Prague. 15 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,963 And actually the next was a, 16 00:03:19,610 --> 00:03:21,319 quite big project as well, 17 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,969 also dealing with decadence of course, what else? 18 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:27,383 Called "Decadence Now! Visions of Excess" 19 00:03:29,182 --> 00:03:31,599 and it was in Rudolfinum in Prague 20 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,600 but it had dealt with the decadence in contemporary culture. 21 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:41,019 So we had works by Mapplethorpe, (indistinct), 22 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:42,180 Cindy Sherman 23 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:45,203 and others. 24 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:51,130 This record was made in 2009, and it was also like a part 25 00:03:51,310 --> 00:03:56,310 of the wider project, it was exhibition in Brussels, 26 00:03:57,330 --> 00:04:00,864 and I asked (indistinct) 27 00:04:00,865 --> 00:04:02,719 to do, like a remix 28 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,819 of very famous song by Serge Gainsbourg, "La Décadanse" 29 00:04:06,820 --> 00:04:09,759 And he had asked Monica (indistinct) to work with him 30 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,760 and they made like a 60 minute long remix of that song, 31 00:04:15,570 --> 00:04:19,509 and we decided to have it on record, you know. 32 00:04:19,510 --> 00:04:23,239 Because I'm that vinyl generation, 33 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,739 all the music I started to listen as a teenager 34 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:28,459 was on vinyls. 35 00:04:28,460 --> 00:04:33,199 And, I still think that the sound is better. 36 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,969 And I like it as a object 37 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:38,909 because you can combine art and music, 38 00:04:38,910 --> 00:04:40,699 because if you have this format 39 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:43,863 you can really do much more than with a small format of CD. 40 00:04:45,561 --> 00:04:48,478 (music scratching) 41 00:04:55,398 --> 00:04:57,981 (upbeat music) 42 00:05:20,135 --> 00:05:23,135 (saxophone playing) 43 00:05:24,736 --> 00:05:27,319 (upbeat music) 44 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:34,917 (man speaking in foreign language) 45 00:05:57,038 --> 00:05:59,939 (audience clapping) 46 00:05:59,940 --> 00:06:02,909 - I remember that once the university, 47 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:06,059 someone asked us if we would be interested 48 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:08,959 in joining the Communist Party. 49 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,169 I just replied to the guy, "Can you imagine that someone 50 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:16,439 like me would be member of Communist Party?" 51 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,806 And that person look at me and said, 52 00:06:17,807 --> 00:06:20,238 "No, I cannot imagine that." 53 00:06:20,239 --> 00:06:24,489 (man speaking in foreign language) 54 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:31,499 But even I was young boy, 55 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:33,509 I felt that there is something different. 56 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:36,659 Is something strange and not normal. 57 00:06:36,660 --> 00:06:38,549 It touched our family. 58 00:06:38,550 --> 00:06:41,749 My father had certain problems in his job, 59 00:06:41,750 --> 00:06:45,259 for almost 10 years he was not allowed to teach. 60 00:06:45,260 --> 00:06:48,139 And so it was like there was no presence, 61 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:50,719 there was no future, there was no past, you know? 62 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,039 Every day was the same, 63 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,299 in Czech it would be (indistinct) time without time 64 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:57,169 or time is without content. 65 00:06:57,170 --> 00:07:00,669 We didn't have anything in common with the culture, 66 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:03,329 as I understood the term culture. 67 00:07:03,330 --> 00:07:06,029 I understood and I still understand culture 68 00:07:06,030 --> 00:07:08,439 is something eyeopening, challenging. 69 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Something, what can change your life, your way of thinking. 70 00:07:14,307 --> 00:07:16,724 (rock music) 71 00:07:19,890 --> 00:07:24,159 - I remember going to this club called, "The Junior", 72 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,145 It would always be packed. 73 00:07:26,146 --> 00:07:27,027 (rock music playing in the background) 74 00:07:27,028 --> 00:07:30,623 And usually at least third of the audience would be police. 75 00:07:31,930 --> 00:07:35,233 So, that's going to concerts was. 76 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,546 Foreign bands, no way. 77 00:07:38,547 --> 00:07:41,209 (man laughs) 78 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,719 Together with Unijazz, 79 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,299 we promote this show of Lydia Lunch 80 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:48,946 who's legendary to us and, (man laughs) 81 00:07:48,947 --> 00:07:51,740 "Labor of Love", to promote this show. 82 00:07:51,741 --> 00:07:54,158 (rock music) 83 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,963 It's better if you pick them up. 84 00:08:03,962 --> 00:08:06,039 I'm sort of a host, 85 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,330 of the band. 86 00:08:07,331 --> 00:08:09,748 (rock music) 87 00:08:14,551 --> 00:08:17,531 ♪ Big whaley wide is on the make again ♪ 88 00:08:17,532 --> 00:08:20,649 ♪ He thought he paid his dues but he's in debt again ♪ 89 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:23,479 - We could see on Soviet television, 90 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,109 which we can receive here in Czechoslovakia, 91 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:30,303 that the regime in Soviet Union got loose. 92 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:36,543 And that's actually where I first time saw, 93 00:08:38,980 --> 00:08:41,479 a video, promotional video for teenage riot song 94 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,480 by Sonic Youth, it was on Soviet TV in 1987, 88. 95 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,040 And, so it was like, "Whoa, something is changing." 96 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:57,999 But if I could 97 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,959 see myself promoting these bands? 98 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,507 No. 99 00:09:02,508 --> 00:09:04,082 (rock music) 100 00:09:04,083 --> 00:09:05,748 (indistinct) 101 00:09:05,749 --> 00:09:10,749 ♪ (indistinct) on the telephone ♪ 102 00:09:11,848 --> 00:09:15,220 ♪ (indistinct) I warned you it would come to this ♪ 103 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:17,638 (indistinct) 104 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,860 Oh, let me show you something. 105 00:09:25,060 --> 00:09:26,259 Look at this. 106 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:28,538 ♪ I warned you it would come to this ♪ 107 00:09:28,539 --> 00:09:32,181 ♪ All of your friends are so sick of this shit ♪ 108 00:09:32,182 --> 00:09:34,599 (rock music) 109 00:09:42,521 --> 00:09:44,160 (man knocking) 110 00:09:44,161 --> 00:09:47,667 (man speaking in foreign language) 111 00:09:47,668 --> 00:09:52,001 (both speaking in foreign language) 112 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,657 (man laughs) 113 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:20,449 - So these are the works from the last three, four months. 114 00:10:20,450 --> 00:10:23,349 And as a group it will be exhibited 115 00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:28,350 in Paris this fall, in December. 116 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:33,089 And it's completely new chip train Joseph's career. 117 00:10:33,090 --> 00:10:36,769 There's not so many other artists besides Joseph who we are 118 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:39,809 like constantly following this direction. 119 00:10:39,810 --> 00:10:44,810 And that for him they're important influences 120 00:10:45,830 --> 00:10:49,701 like the industrial bands from late 80s, 121 00:10:49,702 --> 00:10:51,339 (speaking in a foreign language) 122 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:55,769 which showed that the industrial surroundings 123 00:10:55,770 --> 00:10:58,519 can have its own specific beauty you know, 124 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,739 which people didn't see because they didn't want to see, 125 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:06,519 because they associated this functionalist industrial 126 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,123 landscapes with normalization with a communist regime. 127 00:11:11,971 --> 00:11:14,388 (punk music) 128 00:11:16,290 --> 00:11:20,739 One of the basic feelings of the 80s is isolation. 129 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:24,469 To be intentionally isolated from the world 130 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:26,039 which was outside. 131 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,669 Music somehow opened that space for me. 132 00:11:28,670 --> 00:11:31,369 Music which I liked at the time 133 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:34,209 had always some kind of connection with other art forms, 134 00:11:34,210 --> 00:11:36,059 you know. So from the music, 135 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:39,069 my interest spread to cinematography, 136 00:11:39,070 --> 00:11:41,229 visual arts, literature. 137 00:11:41,230 --> 00:11:44,279 What I liked about the underground 138 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,199 or alternative scene of the 80s 139 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,200 was that, these people didn't want to have anything 140 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:52,779 to do with the regime. 141 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:55,619 They even didn't want to protest against. 142 00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:57,349 We wanted to ignore it. 143 00:11:57,350 --> 00:12:00,129 We want it to behave like it doesn't exist. 144 00:12:00,130 --> 00:12:03,089 We didn't watch TV, we didn't listen radio. 145 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:07,039 So were trying to cut all the possible relation 146 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,180 with that culture and to be there living in sort of small 147 00:12:12,130 --> 00:12:14,840 subculture communities. 148 00:12:14,841 --> 00:12:17,258 (rock music) 149 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:23,549 - Football, especially in European terms, 150 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:28,109 to root for a certain club there's also a political choice. 151 00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:32,659 Here in Prague, the most famous is, "Sparta". 152 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:37,139 And the communists of course will like promoting "Sparta", 153 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:39,416 as a communist team. 154 00:12:39,417 --> 00:12:42,119 "Bohemians", were mostly intellectuals. 155 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,120 So no wonder that people in descents of the 70s and 80s, 156 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,619 were fans of "Bohemians" too. 157 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:55,379 And when in 1983, when we won the title, 158 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:57,619 the descend was heavily celebrating it. 159 00:12:57,620 --> 00:13:01,079 It was actually a political thing. 160 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,452 The name of the stadium is "Ďolíček". 161 00:13:02,453 --> 00:13:04,746 This says "Ďolíček nedáme!", it means, 162 00:13:04,747 --> 00:13:06,799 "We don't give Ďolíček up!" 163 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,196 On the other side on the right, it says, 164 00:13:10,197 --> 00:13:12,227 "Ďolíček more than a stadium". 165 00:13:13,380 --> 00:13:14,499 And it's true. 166 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,297 This feels like home. 167 00:13:16,298 --> 00:13:20,298 (fans singing foreign language) 168 00:13:21,516 --> 00:13:25,266 (crowd cheering and singing) 169 00:13:31,429 --> 00:13:33,846 (rock music) 170 00:13:34,687 --> 00:13:39,104 (band singing in a foreign language) 171 00:13:59,787 --> 00:14:01,204 - About my roots. 172 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:06,593 My roots are, 173 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,209 at home we had a lot of music from recordings. 174 00:14:13,210 --> 00:14:17,335 Like classical music and I was going for the concerts, 175 00:14:17,336 --> 00:14:18,473 with my parents. 176 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:21,519 So I started to play guitar. 177 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,179 I was bored with the pop music, 178 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:26,339 I didn't understand it, you know. 179 00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:31,340 I got a recording of this English punk music, 180 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,006 and something broke in me and I said, 181 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:36,507 "Oh, that's what I'm dreaming about all the time." 182 00:14:37,355 --> 00:14:39,739 (punk music) 183 00:14:39,740 --> 00:14:41,600 Simple in the technical way 184 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,939 but big in the social and emotional way. 185 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:52,038 We started with a band (indistinct) 186 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:54,269 I was 18 or 19, 187 00:14:54,270 --> 00:14:58,719 and the others were 3 or 4 years younger than me, 188 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,543 so we were like children. 189 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:04,844 We started in 79, 190 00:15:04,845 --> 00:15:08,440 the problem with the police started in 1982. 191 00:15:11,169 --> 00:15:13,586 (punk music) 192 00:15:17,518 --> 00:15:20,929 We started to have some influence in the society 193 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:21,870 very quickly. 194 00:15:21,871 --> 00:15:26,629 There was a article about the "Czech Alternative Scene" 195 00:15:26,630 --> 00:15:30,679 in a new musical express magazine. 196 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,479 It looked like it's too much for the police 197 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,699 that we are connected with some foreign country. 198 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:40,826 So they wanted me to stop playing, which I said, 199 00:15:40,827 --> 00:15:42,269 "Okay, I will stop playing." 200 00:15:42,270 --> 00:15:45,549 But in 2 weeks I was playing again because, 201 00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:47,910 when you are 18 you don't mind very much that 202 00:15:50,808 --> 00:15:54,659 if you had to go to the prison, it was like, "Okay." 203 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:58,885 The life was not so interesting in Prague in the time, 204 00:15:58,886 --> 00:16:02,805 so, maybe the prison is much more interesting. 205 00:16:02,806 --> 00:16:05,223 (punk music) 206 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:10,716 (woman singing in a foreign language) 207 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:18,389 - Punk was this first historical platform 208 00:16:18,390 --> 00:16:22,119 where women could join in. 209 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,739 I had no idea. 210 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:26,079 I thought it is the most natural thing like, 211 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,809 you have your friend and you started band with the friend. 212 00:16:29,810 --> 00:16:34,029 We had no idea that in Britain there were, "The Slits", 213 00:16:34,030 --> 00:16:36,239 and "The Raincoats", at the same time, 214 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,989 the early 80s were doing absolutely the same thing as us. 215 00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:43,539 These records never made it across the Iron Curtain. 216 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:45,469 We didn't have like really much to work with. 217 00:16:45,470 --> 00:16:48,233 We rehearsed at home, we didn't have a place. 218 00:16:49,450 --> 00:16:52,499 Instead of drums, had carton boxes. 219 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,859 And I bought for the hub, picking money, 220 00:16:55,860 --> 00:17:00,860 Galaxy's electric guitar, which I connected to a gramophone. 221 00:17:01,326 --> 00:17:03,743 (punk music) 222 00:17:07,086 --> 00:17:09,709 (woman singing in a foreign language) 223 00:17:09,710 --> 00:17:14,449 Then we were asked to have a concert. 224 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:17,773 And, it was the first one was at (indistinct) 007 225 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,789 with when "Garáž" wanted to play with us. 226 00:17:24,790 --> 00:17:27,373 So they invited us and they called us. 227 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:31,654 (speaking foreign language) 228 00:17:31,655 --> 00:17:33,309 (laughing) 229 00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:36,729 And then because we were such armatures we had no, 230 00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:37,809 of course permissions. 231 00:17:37,810 --> 00:17:40,369 We didn't know that you're supposed to have permission. 232 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:42,999 And then "Garáž" was banned. 233 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Like, because they had us without a permission playing. 234 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:50,093 It must've been 81 or 82. 235 00:17:51,790 --> 00:17:55,739 After 83 it kind of got better, after the scandal 236 00:17:55,740 --> 00:18:00,599 with the "Tribunal" article, where the so-called new wave 237 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,019 and punk was attacked as this anti-socialist thing. 238 00:18:05,020 --> 00:18:10,020 Then it kind of got easier around 84, 85. 239 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:12,499 The scene was thriving, 240 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:17,500 it seemed like everyone around us was creating something. 241 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:21,631 It was like a really joyful time. 242 00:18:21,632 --> 00:18:22,465 (punk music) 243 00:18:22,466 --> 00:18:26,798 (man singing in a foreign language) 244 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,269 - I was lucky that I had friends who had similar interests. 245 00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:38,669 So we were sharing the information, 246 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:40,569 knowledge, connections. 247 00:18:40,570 --> 00:18:45,409 So it was sort of like a network which was maybe small, 248 00:18:45,410 --> 00:18:48,049 but there was many networks like that, you know. 249 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:50,589 And all this one small group was connected 250 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:52,659 through one person with another one. 251 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:56,159 So then we knew about some other people who we never met, 252 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,999 but we knew about them. 253 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,189 We knew that they had these records or source. 254 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:05,799 So we were sort of exchanging records with people 255 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,401 who we never met before. 256 00:19:08,402 --> 00:19:12,819 (man speaking in a foreign language) 257 00:21:24,344 --> 00:21:25,427 - With vinyl, 258 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:27,919 it's a ritual. 259 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,920 You gotta make time, and you start with the art cover, 260 00:21:33,670 --> 00:21:35,089 you know. 261 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:38,899 Packaging, look at it, it's nice, 262 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:43,659 and then, you have to like, pull it out. 263 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:48,660 Sometimes you have to fight against static electricity. 264 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:50,350 See? 265 00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:52,553 It's stuck to it. 266 00:21:53,470 --> 00:21:57,229 An album by my friends, "Please The Trees". 267 00:21:57,230 --> 00:22:01,229 And I'm proud of contributing to it actually. 268 00:22:01,230 --> 00:22:04,509 This is first time I am going to hear this record from vinyl 269 00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:07,763 because it just came out, and I just brought it home. 270 00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:10,600 Let's see then. 271 00:22:19,206 --> 00:22:21,623 (rock music) 272 00:22:33,446 --> 00:22:38,446 ♪ Have you heard the news ♪ 273 00:22:39,312 --> 00:22:41,975 ♪ And it's here, other- ♪ 274 00:22:41,976 --> 00:22:45,053 The 80s, it was like total darkness, 275 00:22:46,750 --> 00:22:50,203 people couldn't, you know, buy records, listen to anything. 276 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:53,959 You got this record by, "The Cure". 277 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,759 It's a singles collection. 278 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,113 They put out, I think it was 85, 86. 279 00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:05,169 And I got this at (indistinct) 280 00:23:05,170 --> 00:23:08,193 and almost lost it when running away, 281 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,183 before cops were able to get us. 282 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,813 That's, the sum is that tape, 283 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,440 and I got it from a friend of mine (indistinct) 284 00:23:25,361 --> 00:23:26,414 in 285 00:23:26,415 --> 00:23:29,639 1987 I think, 286 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,369 I was 14. 287 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:34,213 Yeah, so this is how it came out. 288 00:23:37,322 --> 00:23:39,302 This was the release. 289 00:23:39,303 --> 00:23:41,229 (laughing) 290 00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:45,579 And then "Psí vojáci", one of the earliest releases 291 00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:47,232 in our country. 292 00:23:47,233 --> 00:23:50,209 (joyful music) 293 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:54,293 (man speaks in foreign language) 294 00:25:11,646 --> 00:25:14,063 (rock music) 295 00:25:26,806 --> 00:25:31,223 (man speaking in a foreign language) 296 00:27:05,523 --> 00:27:09,940 (man shouting in a foreign language) 297 00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:15,005 (anticipatory music) 298 00:27:20,132 --> 00:27:22,965 (people chanting) 299 00:27:27,223 --> 00:27:29,973 (people talking) 300 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:37,607 (men speaking in a foreign language) 301 00:28:35,023 --> 00:28:35,953 - [Interviewer] What's the importance 302 00:28:35,954 --> 00:28:38,520 of getting the information out? 303 00:28:38,521 --> 00:28:40,771 - Because here for 40 years 304 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:46,819 exists only the state monopoly of information, 305 00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:48,099 very strong censorship. 306 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:52,239 And sometimes we are surprised 307 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,319 how it was influential, 308 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,609 how do people don't understand what to do is. 309 00:28:59,610 --> 00:29:04,610 Now the communist institution doesn't worked 310 00:29:05,030 --> 00:29:08,359 and we are independent group of people, but some people, 311 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,779 especially these people, maybe I can say ordinary people, 312 00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:14,543 man from the street, he doesn't understand it. 313 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,879 He's going to ask us what to do. 314 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,979 He's waiting for orders and we want to change this. 315 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,952 And I'm sure that we can change it 316 00:29:24,953 --> 00:29:27,411 with the free information. 317 00:29:27,412 --> 00:29:29,381 (rock music) 318 00:29:29,382 --> 00:29:33,549 (man singing in foreign language) 319 00:29:44,132 --> 00:29:47,592 (crowd clapping) 320 00:29:47,593 --> 00:29:50,843 (rock music continues) 321 00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:02,674 (crowd clapping) 322 00:30:06,187 --> 00:30:08,937 (crowd chanting) 323 00:30:10,923 --> 00:30:15,340 (man speaking in a foreign language) 324 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,057 (rock music) 325 00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:46,916 (upbeat music) 326 00:32:05,163 --> 00:32:06,389 - Yes. 327 00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:07,390 Good. 328 00:32:08,610 --> 00:32:11,439 And the poster was done by Jamie Reid 329 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,019 whose work I exhibited in the "Decadence Now", exhibition. 330 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:18,289 And I've got email from him with this picture. 331 00:32:18,290 --> 00:32:19,753 So I feel like, 332 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,749 I have to put on public. 333 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:25,962 So I'll do it in the village. 334 00:32:25,963 --> 00:32:27,114 - Free Pussy Riot? 335 00:32:27,115 --> 00:32:27,948 - Mh-mm. 336 00:32:27,949 --> 00:32:32,198 (men speaking in foreign language) 337 00:32:52,704 --> 00:32:55,371 (lock clanking) 338 00:32:59,443 --> 00:33:02,359 Welcome to our local library. 339 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,469 It's the only public space in the village of Kováry, 340 00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:08,439 and I'm local librarian. 341 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,269 And because no one was visiting library originally, 342 00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:15,889 so with some other neighbors, we decided to bring here 343 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:19,989 refrigerators and fill them with adult beverages, 344 00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:21,603 to attract the readers. 345 00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:30,730 This painting was done by one of my students from Chicago, 346 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,399 from "The Art Institute", who visited Kováry 347 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,400 and one evening he made a painting of the locals sitting, 348 00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:44,730 and I have to put this poster somewhere on a visible place. 349 00:33:45,155 --> 00:33:47,783 (paper rustling) 350 00:33:47,784 --> 00:33:50,201 (indistinct) 351 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,120 I found out that this is the place I can place my roots. 352 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,482 Living in the concrete building in Prague, you know, 353 00:34:00,483 --> 00:34:02,989 what kind of roots you can have there, but you know, 354 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:04,249 living in the old house 355 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:07,533 is the place I can associate myself with. 356 00:34:09,350 --> 00:34:11,495 We are now at the (indistinct) 357 00:34:11,496 --> 00:34:16,479 one of very important historical sites in the Czech lands. 358 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,809 Now it's deserted and, I like it sort of deserted 359 00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:25,810 because anytime you come during the weekdays or weekend, 360 00:34:25,910 --> 00:34:28,359 you are alone and you hardly can meet anybody. 361 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,360 So it's nice place for feeling alone and feeling the past, 362 00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:37,813 the presence and the future as well. 363 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:41,753 Well, once I'll be here. 364 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,320 In the summer 1989, it was two, three months before 365 00:34:56,620 --> 00:35:00,789 the political changes in Czechoslovakia. 366 00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:05,069 And I was applying for several year for some state allowance 367 00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:08,799 to go to Austria, and I never got it. 368 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,839 And then at the end of 80s was a chance 369 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,389 that if some foreigner put some money into Czech bank, 370 00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:19,169 they can give you certain allowance to travel. 371 00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:22,279 So some friends of my dad did it. 372 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,280 So I went for 2 weeks, to Austria, I was in Vienna. 373 00:35:27,447 --> 00:35:29,659 But I remember that feeling, 374 00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:32,889 when I was getting back home, in the train, 375 00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:37,890 I bought some records in Vienna at that moment, 376 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:41,597 and like a "Lou Reed Velvet Underground", 377 00:35:43,617 --> 00:35:46,889 "Clash" and "Sex Pistols" and so on. 378 00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:51,009 And I will remember forever that feeling at the border 379 00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:53,709 when police came over and was checking, you know, 380 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:56,819 what do we have and what kind of stuff we are taking 381 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,789 and so on. 382 00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:02,659 I think, or that's why I have that kind of strange feeling 383 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:05,242 on border until now. 384 00:36:05,243 --> 00:36:09,076 (dramatic anticipatory music) 385 00:36:27,594 --> 00:36:31,927 (man singing in a foreign language) 386 00:37:11,263 --> 00:37:12,959 If you would ask me 20 years ago, 387 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,139 what would happen actually during those 20 years, 388 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:19,309 I would never think that the things which happened 389 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:20,310 will happen. 390 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:26,789 Everything changed completely, traveling professionally. 391 00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:29,599 Any dreams I had about my work, 392 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,269 I knew that under the previous regime would never happened. 393 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:36,519 - I was walking with a few people from my university, 394 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,919 with (indistinct) and other friends from that direction. 395 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,569 And we saw a lot of happy people around us. 396 00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:49,139 It was just feeling of happiness before 397 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,526 they, beat us on the corner. 398 00:37:51,527 --> 00:37:53,859 - But it was also feeling that 399 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:56,319 for the first time in my life, I felt, 400 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,819 that some history is happening. 401 00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:00,720 So I just finished university 402 00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:03,510 in September, 89. 403 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:10,969 And I started to work in the (indistinct) institute 404 00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:15,229 and on the 17th, I went with my girlfriend 405 00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:16,649 who is now my wife, 406 00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:21,533 and mother of those kids, to the demonstration. 407 00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:26,850 And at the end of the situation, we did get to, 408 00:38:26,851 --> 00:38:27,684 (speaking in a foreign language) 409 00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:28,684 street here. 410 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:33,349 This place became, the next day, 411 00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:36,069 sort of like the unofficial memorial, 412 00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:39,639 because the worse beating did happen actually, 413 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,699 in this corridor. 414 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,429 So already the next day, people just came here 415 00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:45,956 to burn a candles and so on, you know. 416 00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:47,413 - It was just open corridor. 417 00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:49,363 - Yeah. 418 00:38:49,364 --> 00:38:50,552 - The doors are new. 419 00:38:50,553 --> 00:38:51,386 - The doors are new. 420 00:38:51,387 --> 00:38:52,728 - There was a lot of dogs and policeman. 421 00:38:52,729 --> 00:38:54,459 - But people they're trapped here and from here, 422 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:56,959 there was no chance to escape so, 423 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,528 the worse beating was here. 424 00:38:59,529 --> 00:39:03,612 (children talking in the street) 425 00:39:05,582 --> 00:39:07,709 This was only the chance to leave the place 426 00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:09,279 through this street. 427 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,509 But there was the corridor with the police with a sticks 428 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:14,339 and they were beating people. 429 00:39:14,340 --> 00:39:18,249 And we were lucky because we did get to the door, 430 00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:22,249 and someone did open the apartment then we all went in 431 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:25,353 and was there for like an hour and half. 432 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,379 And it was scary because we switch off all the lights 433 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:32,419 and we are completely silent. 434 00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:34,329 There was no chance to talk 435 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,279 because the police was running around the house, 436 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,729 looking for the hidden people. 437 00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:41,229 After 89, you know, 438 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:43,509 those first two straight years in case of culture, 439 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:44,710 everything was possible. 440 00:39:46,655 --> 00:39:51,119 And then the things somehow settled and it was not so easy, 441 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,709 you know, it changed, you know. 442 00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:55,439 But of course we didn't know at the time 443 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,689 that we are living in sort of almost absolute 444 00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:00,619 kind of freedom, you know, 445 00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:05,620 which turned to be controlled, as it's ever there, you know. 446 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,879 But of course, the things like traveling and other stuff 447 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,979 it's okay, but we are controlled by many other things 448 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:13,509 which we didn't realize. 449 00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:15,859 We were not thinking about, you know, 450 00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:19,209 business, advertisement, you know. 451 00:40:19,210 --> 00:40:22,239 All the things which are connected with that, you know. 452 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,407 We are feeling fear free but actually we're not. 453 00:40:27,312 --> 00:40:31,729 (man speaking in a foreign language) 454 00:42:20,956 --> 00:42:23,539 (upbeat music) 455 00:42:36,965 --> 00:42:41,382 (men speaking in a foreign language) 456 00:42:49,466 --> 00:42:52,727 (crowd clapping and cheering) 457 00:42:52,728 --> 00:42:57,145 (men speaking in a foreign language) 458 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,461 (rock music) 459 00:43:04,462 --> 00:43:08,879 (men speaking in a foreign language) 460 00:43:20,441 --> 00:43:22,599 - And if we have an Soviet troops in the audience, 461 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,800 you may dance off to this. 462 00:43:24,801 --> 00:43:27,551 (rhythmic music) 463 00:43:36,699 --> 00:43:39,449 (crowd clapping) 464 00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:48,220 (rhythmic music) 465 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:11,199 - My father, and two of his friends bought this house 466 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,200 as a sort of escape from Prague from inside to inside, 467 00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:20,079 not outside as I did escape, like later on. 468 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,636 I was supposed to open a bar or Borat maybe, 469 00:44:22,637 --> 00:44:24,739 something like (indistinct) 470 00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:28,789 Actually (indistinct) in Manhattan, but in the same time, 471 00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:31,109 I was preparing that, the revolution came. 472 00:44:31,110 --> 00:44:32,859 So I say like, "Why not do it here? 473 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:35,039 Maybe I can help something with it." (chuckles) 474 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,819 And then I was like this crazy Americanized Czech 475 00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,889 who's coming back from America 476 00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:44,679 and telling everybody what to do and not to do.(scoffs) 477 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,919 Because that revolution was actually about drinking 478 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,793 for another 5 years or 10 years. 479 00:44:52,294 --> 00:44:54,869 And I say, "Yeah", I heard about this rehearsal place 480 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:56,589 in a small house there, 481 00:44:56,590 --> 00:45:00,359 at the corner of the old town." 482 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,189 I mean the Malá Strana of Prague 483 00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:04,999 and that there is a pretty wild place 484 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,595 and it's called Újezd. 485 00:45:06,596 --> 00:45:09,134 (upbeat music) 486 00:45:09,135 --> 00:45:13,468 (man singing in a foreign language) 487 00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:23,099 Every Thursday, every Friday and every Saturday, 488 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:27,369 the capacity of the house was about 250 people at once, 489 00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:29,979 including the rock room and two spoon bars. 490 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:33,809 And we have to like, let 4 people out, 4 people in, 491 00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:38,169 and there was a line of 200 people outside, just having fun, 492 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:40,299 you know, standing, waiting maybe for two, 493 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:41,729 three hours to get in, 494 00:45:41,730 --> 00:45:45,929 because the programs were like four, five bands. 495 00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:48,899 The bands, it's funny because, one band had to leave 496 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,519 and the other one had to wait outside and get into, 497 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,009 while the other one is already out because, 498 00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:55,399 there was no room. (laughing) 499 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,479 But we did things like poetry readings there. 500 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,483 We did theater pieces. 501 00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:04,379 That time, it was so funny, like to go downstairs 502 00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:08,399 and hear like some, you know, pogo-punk music downstairs, 503 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,509 and people like fucking high, drinking a beer. 504 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:15,209 And then making love in the well there 505 00:46:15,210 --> 00:46:17,534 where (indistinct) was sitting, you know, 506 00:46:17,535 --> 00:46:20,929 and then you go to the rock center 507 00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:22,369 and there is "Velvet Revival" 508 00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:24,759 or classic rock and roll bands playing 509 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,289 or something like that. 510 00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:29,645 And then you go upstairs and there is 511 00:46:29,646 --> 00:46:31,849 (speaking foreign language) playing Irish songs, you know, 512 00:46:31,850 --> 00:46:33,266 by the table, 513 00:46:33,267 --> 00:46:35,579 (indistinct) is dancing on a table. 514 00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:38,359 It's like some sort of the tapes like, okay, 515 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,869 let's say "Too Short", "Talking Heads". 516 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:43,743 This is all music was played there. 517 00:46:45,394 --> 00:46:46,943 Psí vojáci. 518 00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:53,380 Then we have a modern time in 1992, I guess. 519 00:46:56,485 --> 00:46:59,689 (locks clanking) 520 00:46:59,690 --> 00:47:02,413 I purchased a few CD players. 521 00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:06,739 A lot of good music from New York that I took. 522 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:10,719 I actually took from New York a lot. (laughs) 523 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,289 This is originally rap mixed. 524 00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:17,329 I was deejay usually from some of the tape players. 525 00:47:17,330 --> 00:47:19,639 It was bizarre deejaying, but we had people there 526 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,029 like musicians. 527 00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:24,639 They really like, like the new hip hop scene of Prague 528 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,139 like (indistinct), Strýčka Homeboye. 529 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:29,779 They're just 14 year old guys, you know, 530 00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,469 who like to drink in the night. 531 00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:35,279 And there were no hip-hop club in Prague or something. 532 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,919 There was no place like that. 533 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,949 The "Tiger Lilies", they were pretty regular in that time. 534 00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:44,503 This is their first tour, I think. 535 00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:50,410 These are the regular program posters from every month. 536 00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:54,282 Va-bank is a band from Moscow, 537 00:47:54,283 --> 00:47:59,283 Insania is a hardcore band from Brno, Rononc (indistinct) 538 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,039 I really, because before that I escaped, I really like, 539 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,679 and enjoy to travel and to meet people 540 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,659 and all kinds of nationalities and all world. 541 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:12,699 But it would happen then later and I like in Borat 542 00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:14,889 was that the whole world was coming to me. 543 00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:16,809 So I learned to travel in my mind 544 00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:18,901 and meeting the people there, you know. 545 00:48:18,902 --> 00:48:21,629 (tapes rattling) Yeah. 546 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:23,769 Enough! (thud) 547 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:26,317 - These like years of early 90s is, 548 00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,129 like one long party and I have tons of memories, 549 00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:34,239 but I don't know was it in Borat, 550 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,549 was it in (indistinct), was it somewhere else? 551 00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:39,619 It just happened. (soft background music) 552 00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:44,620 We had such a clear perspective on, the regime. 553 00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:50,629 I think we were able to recognize soon after 1989, 554 00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:55,519 that the new system, new regime has many similar qualities 555 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,604 as the previous one. 556 00:48:57,605 --> 00:49:01,693 One of the differences, the key difference between pre-89 557 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:07,639 and after 89 is that no one was arrested 558 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,789 because of the music or literature or films. 559 00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:16,219 But the enthusiasm was just at the beginning of the 90s 560 00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:19,759 from alternative current culture and everything, 561 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,313 disappeared actually quite soon. 562 00:49:22,314 --> 00:49:25,909 You know, I think the situation was not normal. 563 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:27,489 It's not natural. 564 00:49:27,490 --> 00:49:30,429 And it means that the possibilities 565 00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:33,139 which were at the beginning of 90s, 566 00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:36,454 disappeared quite soon because of the commercialism. 567 00:49:36,455 --> 00:49:39,205 (rhythmic music) 568 00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:57,179 - Sometime in the early 90s, I started to bring in bands 569 00:49:57,180 --> 00:50:02,180 over to Prague for shows under the name, "Scrape Sound". 570 00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:07,619 I came from America in 1992, 571 00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:10,719 and was meeting with people all the time 572 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,449 and in clubs like "007" 573 00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:16,169 and a bunch of people were talking about the scene, 574 00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:19,039 that there actually isn't any scene, 575 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,669 and that it's necessary to, 576 00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:25,113 bring foreign bands to play here. 577 00:50:25,114 --> 00:50:27,570 So, we actually brought some bands 578 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,519 like "Tar" and "Cows" and others. 579 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,039 Before "Scrape Sound" dropped its ambition 580 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,779 to be a record label, we did put out some releases 581 00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:44,683 and one of them, first, one of them, first of them was, 582 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,869 by the band "GNU". 583 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:50,479 An EP, 584 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,480 on a 585 00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:54,403 red vinyl. 586 00:50:54,404 --> 00:50:55,859 (plastic case rattling) 587 00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:58,113 I actually didn't hear this, 588 00:50:59,584 --> 00:51:00,584 a long time. 589 00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:04,090 Oh man. 590 00:51:04,091 --> 00:51:06,508 (rock music) 591 00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:11,458 Sounds pretty cool. (rock music) 592 00:51:11,459 --> 00:51:12,459 It's 1996. 593 00:51:17,317 --> 00:51:21,619 "Scrape Sound", is mainly three people, apart from myself. 594 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:23,799 It is my good friend Michal Parizek, 595 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,669 who now runs "Full Moon" magazine as a chief editor, 596 00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:31,306 and my good friend (indistinct) from the band, 597 00:51:31,307 --> 00:51:32,857 "Please The Trees". 598 00:51:32,858 --> 00:51:36,219 (man speaking foreign language) 599 00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:38,502 - [Man] This is a-(indistinct) 600 00:51:38,503 --> 00:51:39,871 - [Man] Michal. - Hello hi. 601 00:51:39,872 --> 00:51:43,989 (indistinct) your stage manager. 602 00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:44,970 - Okay, cool. 603 00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:45,803 - Do you wanna see the 604 00:51:45,804 --> 00:51:47,229 backstage manager? - Backstage manager. 605 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:49,879 Should we get the hands, stage hands? 606 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,139 Right now. - Let's look at the- 607 00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:53,273 - Yeah, yeah, all right. - Right. All right. 608 00:51:55,078 --> 00:51:59,245 (man speaking a foreign language) 609 00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:17,409 - [Man] He's into the same stuff as I am. 610 00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:21,259 I knew I need somebody to join "Scrape Sound", 611 00:52:21,260 --> 00:52:24,349 because we were just 2 people doing "Scrape Sound", 612 00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:25,959 bringing bands. 613 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,349 I knew right away that he's the one to be the third one. 614 00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:33,699 So he became part of "Scrape Sound", but besides that, 615 00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:35,569 he was a musician. 616 00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:37,013 He's a singer. 617 00:52:37,014 --> 00:52:39,431 (rock music) 618 00:52:42,406 --> 00:52:45,156 (crowd cheering) 619 00:52:46,423 --> 00:52:49,506 (indistinct singing) 620 00:53:01,704 --> 00:53:05,439 It's 20 years of "Scrape Sound" tonight. 621 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,440 And we're celebrating with the show of "Mudhoney". 622 00:53:10,867 --> 00:53:14,633 "Mudhoney" is a band that's been reason why, 623 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:18,566 I and couple of other people founded 624 00:53:18,567 --> 00:53:21,269 "Scrape Sound", 20 years ago. 625 00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:26,259 And when I came back to Prague on my travels in 1992, 626 00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:30,999 I knew I was gonna work somehow in that music industry 627 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,893 or something like that. 628 00:53:31,894 --> 00:53:36,893 I just wanted to organize some shows and develop to level 629 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,602 when I could bring Mudhoney over. 630 00:53:39,603 --> 00:53:42,020 (rock music) 631 00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:47,319 We tried to transform something, whether it was successful 632 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,579 or not, I don't know. 633 00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:51,239 We're still here, still doing this. 634 00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:54,219 We wanted to make the crowds in sort of way, 635 00:53:54,220 --> 00:53:57,159 but then we realized it's not for us. 636 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,455 So we came back to the underground way, 637 00:54:01,456 --> 00:54:05,929 and they don't try for mainstream anymore 638 00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:06,963 for long years now. 639 00:54:07,995 --> 00:54:12,162 (woman speaking foreign language) 640 00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:29,830 - So this is our very alternative village gallery. 641 00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:34,459 I am artist, I am living all my life in Prague. 642 00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:38,899 I do 20 or more years professional art. 643 00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,029 And I know lots of artists. 644 00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:43,049 Most of them are my friends. 645 00:54:43,050 --> 00:54:46,179 So that's somehow my know-how, 646 00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:48,069 which I can bring to the village 647 00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:50,489 and show people who live here, 648 00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:52,826 what I know, what I like. 649 00:54:52,827 --> 00:54:56,983 But then for me it was really great opportunity. 650 00:54:58,370 --> 00:55:01,959 Some offer to make a illustration or drawings 651 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,679 for the book "Tao", from the Chinese philosopher, 652 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,680 Lao Tzu. 653 00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:11,109 No, I like this format of drawings, 654 00:55:11,110 --> 00:55:14,739 so I just use Chinese ink or aquarelle, it's quick. 655 00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:17,919 And now when I have baby, I haven't really time, 656 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,333 so I need work quickly. 657 00:55:20,187 --> 00:55:21,319 (laughing) 658 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,577 So there's this, (indistinct) it's for Tao pictures. 659 00:55:28,797 --> 00:55:31,819 These pictures, I would like to show on my exhibition 660 00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:33,793 in (indistinct) gallery also because, 661 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:37,879 people have me just like a photographer, 662 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,683 I really liked to draw. 663 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,229 I'm known like person who manipulate with reality 664 00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:47,009 with photography. 665 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:49,089 So I continue also this way, you know? 666 00:55:49,090 --> 00:55:53,546 But some photography is, are normal and some I manipulate. 667 00:55:53,547 --> 00:55:54,719 (soft rhythmic music) Something pushed me always 668 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,419 to do some kind of experiments. 669 00:55:57,420 --> 00:56:01,119 Beginning of, the middle of 90s, I make this photo 670 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,279 of open women's legs. 671 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,089 You know, it was some game, playing game 672 00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:10,629 and show, you know, this place on women's body, 673 00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:14,319 place from where most of us was born, 674 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,349 but we have problematic relation with displays. 675 00:56:18,350 --> 00:56:21,623 I like confronting people with these own body, 676 00:56:22,534 --> 00:56:24,583 by these tools of advertisement. 677 00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:27,409 It was also pornography everywhere. 678 00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:30,579 It was something new and this advertisement was everywhere. 679 00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:33,989 It was something new and it was big change for us 680 00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:35,729 who live under communism, 681 00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:38,009 where everything looks so gray 682 00:56:38,010 --> 00:56:40,653 and broken, old. 683 00:56:41,660 --> 00:56:43,809 Everything started being more colorful 684 00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:47,333 and it was kind of shock, you know? 685 00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:51,464 Be in this reality we just dreaming about. 686 00:56:51,465 --> 00:56:56,465 So, I think some of my works from the 90s was about this. 687 00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:59,029 You have this free spirit 688 00:56:59,030 --> 00:57:01,749 from our "Velvet Revolution" inside. 689 00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:03,799 It's still life for me. 690 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,059 It's some kind of war between generations, you know? 691 00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:09,974 This war about power. 692 00:57:09,975 --> 00:57:11,049 (laughs) 693 00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:15,629 So, you just feel like communist, they have more power now. 694 00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:17,766 It was maybe always, but now when I live here, 695 00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:21,309 and I see on the small village things, it's really bad. 696 00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:23,319 So I think, you know, we cannot sleep 697 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,779 and we must do something, what we can do. 698 00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:28,499 But you are always confront I think, 699 00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:31,450 with this kind of establishment. 700 00:57:31,451 --> 00:57:36,451 (uplifting music) (dog barking) 701 00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:40,949 - We there after long time, the third generation, 702 00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:43,579 which in relatively young age 703 00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:48,499 we there about, 20, 21, 22 years old in 1989. 704 00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,219 A chance to travel, to see things. 705 00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:55,230 If someone was 30, 35 at that time, 706 00:57:55,231 --> 00:57:57,659 his family, children, and so on. 707 00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:59,169 It was not possible of course, 708 00:57:59,170 --> 00:58:02,309 to take back and travel for three weeks abroad, you know? 709 00:58:02,310 --> 00:58:06,079 So, there were certain gap of information 710 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,833 and certain gap of experience. 711 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,289 (man speaking in foreign language) 712 00:58:11,290 --> 00:58:14,809 I'm in institution since 2010, 713 00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:17,769 I'm teaching at "The Academy of Fine Arts", in Prague. 714 00:58:17,770 --> 00:58:20,669 I enjoy to be with the students 715 00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:23,567 and it was probably the right time for that. 716 00:58:23,568 --> 00:58:26,485 (students talking) 717 00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:37,900 This is my office, or our office, department office. 718 00:58:40,354 --> 00:58:43,021 (keys rattling) 719 00:58:44,741 --> 00:58:47,619 (indistinct) 720 00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:51,870 (man speaking in foreign language) 721 01:01:10,279 --> 01:01:14,529 (men speaking in foreign language) 722 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,289 - If someone were to tell me 20 years ago 723 01:02:29,290 --> 01:02:33,139 that I would do exhibitions with (indistinct) 724 01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:34,729 with Jake and Dinos Chapman, 725 01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:36,179 and with others. 726 01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:38,199 I would say, "Wow, it's amazing." 727 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,008 You know, it would be great. 728 01:02:40,009 --> 01:02:42,041 (soft rock music) I was asked by the director 729 01:02:42,042 --> 01:02:43,938 of (indistinct) 730 01:02:43,939 --> 01:02:46,989 what do I think about the chance to do 731 01:02:46,990 --> 01:02:50,259 like a solo exhibition of (foreign language) 732 01:02:50,260 --> 01:02:53,499 He asked me, "Do you think there's enough work 733 01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:58,009 to fill the whole space of the gallery?" 734 01:02:58,010 --> 01:03:02,109 And I realized that yes, 735 01:03:02,110 --> 01:03:03,859 that it's possible to do it. 736 01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:06,259 Especially if there is a chance to work directly 737 01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:08,689 with the artist and with a studio. 738 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:11,089 (soft rock music) 739 01:03:11,090 --> 01:03:14,409 In this room are works from 2006, 740 01:03:14,410 --> 01:03:19,410 as this piece called "Deluge" 'til 2011, "The Raft". 741 01:03:19,770 --> 01:03:23,209 Both of the works have references to our history, 742 01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:28,210 which for me like a continuous development of pop art. 743 01:03:29,830 --> 01:03:32,349 It's something what really is connected 744 01:03:32,350 --> 01:03:34,742 with the end of our whole (indistinct) 745 01:03:34,743 --> 01:03:36,539 and the olden the generation. 746 01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:38,559 And it's just like the expression 747 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,529 of where the pop art is nowadays, you know? 748 01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:45,369 As I said, you know, I was never interested 749 01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:50,370 in being a curator and I don't consider myself as a curator. 750 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,009 And the reason why I started to do exhibition 751 01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:57,360 is quite simple that, my publisher wanted to 752 01:04:00,610 --> 01:04:02,849 do beside the book. 753 01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:05,499 He said that it would be like a better, 754 01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:08,029 from the practical point of view, 755 01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:10,479 to organize also exhibition, you know? 756 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,079 That it's easy here to get fundings, support, sponsors, 757 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,139 and patrons or whoever else, 758 01:04:17,140 --> 01:04:21,573 if you are doing exhibition and book, then just book. 759 01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:25,399 Otherwise I would be completely happy 760 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,553 just with writing books. 761 01:04:27,554 --> 01:04:30,721 (gentle upbeat music) 762 01:04:45,736 --> 01:04:50,069 (man singing in a foreign language) 763 01:05:00,206 --> 01:05:04,873 (both men speaking in foreign language) 764 01:06:56,839 --> 01:07:01,454 (car engine rumbling sound effect) 765 01:07:01,455 --> 01:07:03,872 (rock music) 766 01:07:13,350 --> 01:07:18,019 - The system of political parties and parliament, 767 01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:19,603 and then the authorities. 768 01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:24,020 It's all rut. 769 01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:28,803 It's not functioning properly. 770 01:07:29,850 --> 01:07:32,779 And you can feel it every day in whatever you do. 771 01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:34,830 Something has to change. 772 01:07:34,831 --> 01:07:37,248 (rock music) 773 01:07:40,804 --> 01:07:45,179 ♪ The devil ♪ 774 01:07:45,180 --> 01:07:49,097 ♪ The devil would've sung rock ♪ 775 01:07:54,162 --> 01:07:59,162 I still feel that small cultural entities be it, you know, 776 01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:01,419 a production group 777 01:08:01,420 --> 01:08:04,829 that puts on small club gigs for 30 people, 778 01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:07,789 or maybe a little record store. 779 01:08:07,790 --> 01:08:12,719 These very small entities still have very important role 780 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,109 in what's happening on the scene. 781 01:08:15,110 --> 01:08:17,660 Not only in our country, but anywhere in the world. 782 01:08:19,090 --> 01:08:22,649 People should start with themselves. 783 01:08:22,650 --> 01:08:24,389 There are also records on this side. 784 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:27,566 (rock music) 785 01:08:27,567 --> 01:08:31,779 "Scrape Town", is one of these entities that make sense, 786 01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:35,799 and I like to be part of that (indistinct) 787 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:36,960 This had to come out 788 01:08:38,290 --> 01:08:42,083 in August, late August 68 or something like that. 789 01:08:43,201 --> 01:08:47,093 The song premiered that week when the tanks came, 790 01:08:47,937 --> 01:08:49,949 "A prayer for Marta." 791 01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:52,700 That's the song she was singing at the balconies 792 01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:56,509 in November 89. 793 01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:57,693 That's the song. 794 01:08:58,820 --> 01:09:02,319 And so this is the first (indistinct) 795 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:03,320 Collectable. 796 01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:05,829 I have it though. 797 01:09:05,830 --> 01:09:07,288 (laughs) 798 01:09:07,289 --> 01:09:11,299 (speaking foreign language) 799 01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:13,883 (upbeat music) 800 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,309 - If I look back, things in general didn't change much. 801 01:09:24,310 --> 01:09:26,959 The fundamental difference is that 802 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,349 the penetration of political regime into everyday life, 803 01:09:31,350 --> 01:09:33,769 is now not so intense 804 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:35,229 and so dramatic, 805 01:09:35,230 --> 01:09:38,630 and so strict as it used to be. 806 01:09:38,631 --> 01:09:41,919 (rhythmic upbeat music) 807 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,479 In certain sense, it's enormously a huge change. 808 01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:48,149 Politically I'm living now 809 01:09:48,150 --> 01:09:51,859 in very similar intentional isolation 810 01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:53,603 I was living during 80s. 811 01:09:54,489 --> 01:09:59,489 I can do this isolation without danger for my family. 812 01:10:00,330 --> 01:10:05,219 How I live, what I do in my life, is not affecting 813 01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:09,983 or limiting possibilities of my kids, for example. 814 01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:11,956 And that's big difference, you know? 815 01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:14,409 That's why I don't want to say that now, 816 01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:17,209 it is the same as it used to be 30 years ago, 817 01:10:17,210 --> 01:10:18,739 not at all. 818 01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:22,030 You know? From this practical point of view. 819 01:10:22,031 --> 01:10:23,439 (gentle music) 820 01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,659 But to think that everything is fine 821 01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:29,929 and everything is happy now, 822 01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:32,213 it's of course not true as well. 823 01:10:33,282 --> 01:10:34,999 (sighs) 824 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,999 And maybe for some people, 825 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,829 the present is even more difficult than before, 826 01:10:40,830 --> 01:10:42,609 because of their needs, 827 01:10:42,610 --> 01:10:46,669 jobs, health, other things. 828 01:10:46,670 --> 01:10:50,859 And that's the whole problem of so-called democracy. 829 01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:52,239 You hear you have government, 830 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,929 or you have leaders which reflects the nation. 831 01:10:56,930 --> 01:11:00,119 So I totally don't agree with that. 832 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,209 The general frustration 833 01:11:02,210 --> 01:11:06,349 of contemporary society is so intense. 834 01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:08,729 It's why so many people are telling 835 01:11:08,730 --> 01:11:11,339 that the previous regime was better 836 01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:13,909 or the life was better and so on. 837 01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:17,880 That's why I think art is so important, because art can 838 01:11:18,980 --> 01:11:20,010 in fact 839 01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:26,190 answer many, very difficult, social or political questions. 840 01:11:28,549 --> 01:11:31,882 (rhythmic upbeat music) 841 01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:36,029 I am constantly happy that things changed 842 01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:39,799 and they can live life I live, 843 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,913 and fulfilling my dreams step by step. 844 01:11:43,847 --> 01:11:48,847 And I, still have so many dreams that I have enough work 845 01:11:50,506 --> 01:11:51,863 for 30 years. 846 01:11:52,866 --> 01:11:56,436 (rhythmic music) 847 01:11:56,437 --> 01:11:57,993 (rhythmic upbeat music) 848 01:11:57,994 --> 01:12:02,161 (man singing in foreign language) 60659

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