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- This is a microchip.
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When you zoom in, you find
a nanoscopic computing city,
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skyscrapers hundreds of layers tall
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with hundreds of kilometers of
wires connecting everything.
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And at the very bottom is this,
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transistors,
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billions of them.
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They are the ones and
zeros of our computer.
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The chip works by whizzing electrons
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from transistor to transistor,
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and the smaller you can
make those transistors,
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the less the signals have to travel,
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so the faster they can compute.
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Plus, you can fit more
transistors into the same area,
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resulting in a much more powerful chip.
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So for over 50 years, transistors
got smaller and smaller,
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and the number you could
fit on a chip doubled
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every two years.
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This became known as Moore's Law,
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named for Intel's
co-founder, Gordon Moore,
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after he noticed the pattern back in 1965,
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and it's been one of the main
drivers of the tech industry.
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But around 2015,
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progress came to a screeching halt,
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and we might have never gotten past it
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if it wasn't for a single company
that makes these machines,
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the machines that saved Moore's Law.
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- Holy.
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- This is a video about
the most complicated
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commercial product humanity's ever built.
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- That's insane.
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- It costs a whopping $400 million,
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and it is so bizarre that I
want to introduce it to you
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with a thought experiment.
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Imagine you are shrunk down
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to the size of an ant,
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and you are given a laser
that's strong enough to melt
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through metal like butter.
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Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin,
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roughly the size of a white blood cell,
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is shot out in front of you
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around 250 kilometers per hour.
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And your task is to hit
this not once, not twice,
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but three times in a
row in 20 microseconds
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with your little laser.
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Well, that is exactly
what this machine does.
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It hits one tiny tin droplet
three times in a row,
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heating each one up to
over 220,000 Kelvin.
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That's roughly 40 times hotter
than the surface of the Sun.
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And it doesn't just hit one droplet,
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it hits 50,000 droplets
every single second.
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How often do you miss a laser shot?
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- We don't miss them.
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- What?
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You do 150,000 laser shots a second,
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and you don't miss one?
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- Exactly.
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- The same machine also contains mirrors
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that might just be the smoothest
objects in the universe.
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If you scale one up to
the size of the Earth,
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then the largest bump would be
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no thicker than a playing card.
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On top of that, it is able to overlay
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one layer of a chip
perfectly on top of another
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and never be off by more than five atoms.
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And this is all happening
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while parts of the machine whip around
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at accelerations of over 20 Gs.
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(machine rattles).
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For 30 years, almost everyone thought
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that actually building this
machine was impossible,
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and yet it exists.
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There is only one company in
the world that can make it.
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So what is this company and what is
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this impossible machine they've built?
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This video is sponsored by Brilliant.
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More about them at the end of the show.
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Now, just as a quick aside,
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the makers of this machine
didn't actually sponsor
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this video.
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We just thought that the science
and engineering here were
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so cool that we had to
make a video about it.
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So let's jump straight in.
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(upbeat music)
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- [Derek] To make a microchip, you start
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by taking silicon dioxide,
usually from sand,
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and purifying it into ultrapure,
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nearly 100% silicon chunks,
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which is then melted down
in a special furnace.
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Next, you lower a small
seed crystal into the vat.
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Silicon atoms attach to the crystal,
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extending its structure.
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Then you slowly raise the
seed crystal while rotating it
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and this results in a large,
single crystal silicon ingot.
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- This is where the seed crystal would be.
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Yeah.
- And then you pull it out.
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- [Casper] Can I touch it?
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- Yeah, you can.
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- It seems like you
would not be able to hold
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this from here.
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- It even feels fragile.
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Like if you kinda.
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- [Person Off-Camera] Don't snap it.
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- Yeah, I'm scared to break it.
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- Yes.
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- He's using more force.
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- [Derek] The ingot is
then cut into wafers
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with diamond wire saws,
up to 5,000 of them,
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after which each wafer
is carefully polished.
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Next, it's coated with a light
sensitive material called
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photoresist.
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There are different kinds,
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but in a positive photoresist,
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the areas exposed to light
become weaker and more soluble.
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So if you shine light
through a patterned mask,
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you can selectively weaken
parts of that coating.
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Then, you rinse the wafer
with a basic solution
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to wash away the exposed photoresist,
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leaving the design imprinted.
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So now you can actually turn this pattern
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into physical structures.
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This is often done by etching
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into the uncovered silicon
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by using either chemicals or plasma.
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And then you deposit a metal, like copper,
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to fill in those etched lines.
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As a last step, you wash away
the remaining photoresist,
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and now you've made a
single layer of the chip.
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We've simplified this cycle
down to the main steps,
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coat, expose, etch and deposit.
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It repeats for every single chip layer,
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and depending on the chip,
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there could be anywhere
from 10 to 100 layers.
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The bottom layer is the transistors.
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This is the most complicated layer,
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requiring hundreds of steps
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that all need to be perfect.
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The higher layers are a little easier.
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These are the metal wires
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By the end, the completed wafer
can have hundreds of chips,
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which are then cut into separate pieces,
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packaged and put into products.
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But by far the hardest
and most crucial step
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in the process is where you
shine light through the mask
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and onto the wafer.
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This is photolithography,
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and that's because this step determines
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how small you can make the features.
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- At first, it seems simple,
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light passes through the openings
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and it gets blocked by all the rest.
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But as you try to print
smaller and smaller features,
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the gaps in the mask start to approach
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the wavelength of the light,
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and that causes problems.
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- And we can actually show it
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because I happen to
have a, this is a mask.
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This is a reticle.
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- [Casper] A reticle or a mask carries
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the design of one chip layer.
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This reticle is filled with
microscopic lines and gaps,
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around 670 nanometers across.
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- And if I take like a laser pointer,
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so this is a red laser.
- Yep.
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- If I shine it through
it, then you see this here.
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- [Casper] The laser has a wavelength
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of around 650 nanometers.
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When light hits the reticle,
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its wavefronts bend as
they pass through each gap.
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So, each gap sends out waves
that spread out and overlap.
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Now, let's just look at the
light from these two gaps.
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When the peaks of one wave line up
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with the troughs of the other,
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we say that the two waves are out of phase
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and they cancel each other out,
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so you get dark spots,
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and when the peaks line up with the peaks,
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the two waves are in phase.
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They add up and you get bright spots.
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- You can get interference.
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- Right, and you get
a diffraction pattern.
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- Now, diffraction is inevitable.
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So instead of fighting it,
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designers actually use it to
get the patterns they want.
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They kind of work backwards
from the eventual pattern
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they want on the wafer,
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and they design the slits
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so that diffraction will occur
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in such a way that it creates
the pattern that they want.
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- You see three dots, the middle dot,
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that's the original one.
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That's the zero order.
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And then on the left and the right,
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you can see the first and the minus first.
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Now, in order for us to have
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this image resolved on the wafer,
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you need to capture the zero and the first
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and the minus first order.
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- [Derek] The smaller
you make the features,
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the larger this angle, alpha,
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between the zero and first orders becomes,
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so the larger your lens needs
to be to capture the light.
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The size of the lens is described
by the numerical aperture
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or NA for short,
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which is just the sin of this angle.
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So the larger that is,
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the smaller the features you can print.
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But there is a hard limit
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to how large your lens system can be
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when this angle is 90 degrees
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and your numerical aperture is one,
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where your lens would have to be infinite.
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Fortunately, there is one
other thing we can change.
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- This is a red laser.
- [Casper] Yeah.
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- And a red laser has a
wavelength of 650 nanometers,
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ish, I would say.
- [Casper] Yeah.
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- And if I take a green laser
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and this one has a wavelength of 532,
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then you can see that the green dots are
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closer spaced than the red dots.
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- [Derek] That's because the light
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from the two different
gaps doesn't have to travel
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as far to match up in phase again.
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So, the orders end up closer together.
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So with a smaller wavelength,
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you can print smaller
patterns using the same lens.
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All of this is captured
by the Rayleigh Equation,
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which determines the smallest feature size
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or critical dimension.
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- But since there's a limit
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to how much you can increase
the numerical aperture,
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I mean to one,
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over time, the only way to keep making
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smaller and smaller features is
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by using shorter and shorter wavelengths.
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So this is exactly what happened
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up until the late 1990s,
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when the industry settled on 193 nanometer
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deep UV light.
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This was the light that was used to make
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all of the most advanced chips
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right until around 2015.
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But by that point, scientists
had reached a limit
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to how small they could make the features.
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And Moore's Law was about
to run into a brick wall.
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So a radical change was needed,
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a change that had been
brewing for around 30 years.
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All the way back in the 1980s,
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Japanese scientist, Hiroo Kinoshita,
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came up with a crazy idea.
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Why not use much shorter wavelengths,
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like x-rays of around 10 nanometers?
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In theory, that should allow you to print
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much smaller features,
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but you quickly run into a problem.
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X-rays at these wavelengths have
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enough energy to eject
electrons from their atoms,
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so most materials absorb them.
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But unlike medical X-rays which have
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wavelengths shorter than one nanometer,
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these are still long enough
to interact with air.
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So, air absorbs them too.
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That meant that Kinoshita's
setup had to be in a vacuum,
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but even worse,
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he couldn't use lenses to focus the light
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because the lenses would absorb it too.
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So, it seemed like this
idea would never work.
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- [Derek] But around 1983,
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Kinoshita stumbled on a paper
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by Jim Underwood and Troy Barbee.
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Their work focused on special mirrors
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that could reflect x-rays
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with a wavelength of 4.48 nanometers.
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So, Kinoshita was intrigued.
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Curved mirrors can focus
light just like lenses do.
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If he could figure out how to make
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these special mirrors for
the wavelength he was using,
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then this could be another
way to do photolithography.
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The mirrors work something like this.
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When light crosses from
one medium to another,
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say, from air to glass,
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it bends or refracts.
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Some of it goes through
and part reflects back.
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How much gets reflected depends
on things like the angle,
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the light's polarization,
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and most importantly for us,
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the difference between
the refractive indices
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of the two media.
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The larger that difference,
the more light is reflected.
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And Underwood and Barbee
used that principle.
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They made a super thin layer of tungsten,
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less than one nanometer thick,
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thin enough that x-rays could pass through
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without immediately being absorbed.
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When x-rays hit the layer
at a specific angle,
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the tungsten reflected less than 1%.
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Then, they carefully
tuned the layer thickness
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so the path length of the
transmitted x-rays was
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only one quarter of its wavelength.
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Then they added another layer,
this time out of carbon.
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It has a higher refractive
index than tungsten
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for wavelengths of 4.48 nanometers.
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The x-rays hit the boundary
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and a little bit more reflects,
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but this time the phase is inverted
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or it's changed by half a wavelength.
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This happens when any light moves
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from a lower refractive
index to a higher one.
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Now, by the time this new
reflected wave reaches
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the tungsten boundary,
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it has traveled another
quarter of its wavelength
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for a half wavelength in total.
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So the two phases line up
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and the waves interfere constructively.
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Underwood and Barbee kept doing this trick
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for a total of 76 alternating layers,
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so that in total they could reflect back
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much more of the x-rays.
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Now, they only managed to reflect
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around 6% of the light,
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but it was a proof of principle
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that you could reflect x-rays.
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- So Kinoshita saw the possibilities.
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He got to work, and
after around two years,
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his team designed and built
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three tungsten-carbon
curved multi-layer mirrors
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to reflect 11 nanometer light.
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And with it, he managed to print
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lines four microns or
4,000 nanometers thick,
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proving that at least in theory,
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x-ray lithography was possible.
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A year later in 1986,
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he went to present his findings
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to the Japanese Society
of Applied Physics.
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Proud and excited, he explained his setup
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and showed his image.
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But to his horror, the
audience refused to believe it.
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- [Kinoshita] Unfortunately,
the audience was
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highly skeptical of my talk.
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- [Casper] Kinoshita was devastated.
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He later said, "People
seemed unwilling to believe
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that we had actually made
an image by bending x-rays,
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and they tended to regard the whole thing
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as a big fish story."
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- Nobody believed that this
was a viable way forward,
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and unfortunately, the reaction was
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at least somewhat justified.
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First, this light isn't naturally produced
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by anything on Earth.
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The closest natural source is the Sun.
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- We had to basically build an
artificial sun here on Earth.
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- [Derek] Most scientists,
including Kinoshita,
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produced x-ray light using
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a particle accelerator or a synchrotron.
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- [Jos] It gives an
enormous amount of power.
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It's as big as a soccer field.
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You can fuel a whole fab.
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The problem is if the light goes out,
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the whole fab goes out.
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- So each machine needed
its own power source.
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But even if you could produce the light,
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you'd need to make
incredibly smooth mirrors
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to actually focus and
print those tiny features.
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You would need the smoothest
objects in the universe.
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- Okay, so I got a football
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and I've got a bouncy ball
and a cobblestone street.
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Now what do you think is
gonna happen when I drop them?
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The football basically
bounces straight up,
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but for the bouncy ball,
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it just shoots off to the side.
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And it's because the
surface is relatively flat
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for the football, which is much larger,
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but it's super rough for the bouncy ball.
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And a similar thing happens with mirrors.
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If the surface is super rough
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compared to the size of the wavelength,
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then the light scatters randomly.
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Now it might look smooth,
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but if you zoom into a mirror,
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you find something that looks like this,
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you find all these crazy bumps.
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And now to measure the roughness,
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what you do is you take
the average of these bumps
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and that will give you your mean line.
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Now, for a normal household mirror,
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the average height is
about 4,000 silicon atoms.
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But for Kinoshita's mirrors,
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which not only needed
to reflect x-ray light,
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which has 100 times shorter wavelength,
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but also needed to minimize scattering,
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you know, so that all the
photons make it onto the wafer,
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it needed to be way more smooth.
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It needed to be atomically smooth.
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In fact, the average bump could only be
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about 2.3 silicon atoms thick.
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- If one mirror would
be the size of Germany,
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the biggest bump would be
about a millimeter high.
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- [Casper] But Kinoshita
refused to give up.
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- [Kinoshita] However,
my belief did not change.
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- [Casper] And soon help would
come from an unlikely place.
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- Across the Pacific,
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around 70 kilometers
east of San Francisco is
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Lawrence Livermore National Lab,
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a lab that was born out of the Cold War,
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heavily funded by the US government,
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and built for one purpose
and one purpose only,
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nuclear weapons.
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The lab was founded by the
inventor of the Cyclotron,
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Ernest Lawrence,
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and the father of the
hydrogen bomb, Edward Teller.
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And over its lifetime, they designed
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over 10 fusion-type nuclear warheads.
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So part of their research focused
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on what happens inside
nuclear fusion reactions.
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Fusion reactions release
a lot of x-ray light,
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light that they had never been
able to capture and analyze.
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But now, using those
special multilayer mirrors,
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there was a chance.
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- [Casper] One of the scientists tasked
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with making this work was Andrew Hawryluk.
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And within a few years,
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he and his team used
multilayer mirrors to reflect
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some x-ray light.
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But then in 1987,
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Andy got a visit from a
professor from Cornell.
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- He was very impressed
with the technologies
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that we developed.
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And he looked at me at the
end of the day and said,
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"This is all very interesting
and very neat and stuff,"
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but his words, and I'll remember
it to the day I died, was,
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"Can you do anything
useful with this stuff?"
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And this was the day before
a Christmas shutdown in 1987.
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And I was so inflamed by that comment
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that I went home and for the next 10 days,
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I wrote up a multi-page white paper.
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- [Casper] He applied these
mirrors to lithography,
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to print chips using x-rays.
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Around five months later,
Andy presented his findings
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at a conference.
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But like Kinoshita, it
was not the response
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he was hoping for.
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- It was extremely negative.
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That was the low point in my career.
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I was literally laughed off the stage.
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And I kid you not, every
person who I looked up to
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in the field,
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they were listening to my talk
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and they came up to the microphone
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and told me basically
why it wouldn't work,
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how stupid an idea it was.
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Later that week, I flew back
and the following Monday,
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my boss asked me, "How did it go?"
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And I looked at him and I said,
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"I will never speak of it again."
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(uptempo music)
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- [Casper] But then three days later,
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he gets a phone call from
someone named Bill Brinkman
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from Bell Labs.
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- [Andy] And so I walked
over to my boss and I said,
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"Just got this phone call from
a guy named Bill Brinkman.
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Do you know who he is?"
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And my boss's eyes popped open and said,
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"Yeah, he's the Executive
Vice President of AT&T."
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And I said, "Well, he just called me
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and asked me to fly out to
New Jersey and give a talk."
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The response from my boss said it all.
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He basically said, "Well, you gotta go."
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- [Casper] At Bell Labs,
Andy found fellow believers
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and it couldn't have
come at a better time.
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Over the past 30 years,
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the US government had invested
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billions of dollars into
national labs to maintain
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the country's technological
edge during the Cold War.
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But by the late 1980s,
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the Cold War was slowing down
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and all these labs were
sitting on research
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that had commercial potential.
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So the government encouraged
the labs to partner
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with US companies
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to turn that research into products
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and to stimulate the economy.
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And the government would
then supply seed money.
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And so Bell Labs partnered
with Andy's labs and two others
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to keep developing x-ray lithography.
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And by 1993,
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the first international conference
for x-ray lithography was
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held in Japan, near Mount Fuji.
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In the opening address, Kinoshita said
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that, "As long as we
do not lose the desire
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that has sprung from within us,
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technology will steadily advance
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from the micro to the nano to the pico."
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They even gave the technology a new name,
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extreme ultraviolet lithography,
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or just EUV.
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- But then in 1996,
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the US government cut
funding for the project.
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This spelled disaster for the
big chip companies like Intel.
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The industry estimated
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that the 193 nanometer
lithography tools would fall
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behind Moore's Law by 2005,
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but there were no other alternatives.
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So Intel, Motorola, AMD and
other companies got together
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and invested $250
million to keep it going,
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making it the largest investment ever
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by private industry
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in a Department of
Energy research project.
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By the year 2000, the
labs had produced this,
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the Engineering Test Stand.
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It was the first fully
functioning EUV prototype.
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It produced 9.8 watts of
13.4 nanometer EUV light,
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which was then reflected by eight mirrors
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from the source to the mask to the wafer.
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It could print 70 nanometer features
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and it proved that EUV could work.
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- It was a milestone to get
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the Engineering Test Stand to work.
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It demonstrated to people like Intel
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that, you know, good
engineering will get us there.
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- And then it seems like
you've got the prototype,
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00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:02,163
shouldn't be too hard to
then commercialize it.
522
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,281
- That's what they thought.
523
00:20:04,281 --> 00:20:05,550
(Andy and Casper laugh)
524
00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:07,560
- But the prototype had a major flaw.
525
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,200
It could only print
about 10 wafers per hour.
526
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,540
And to make EUV economically viable,
527
00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:15,090
it would have to print
hundreds of wafers per hour,
528
00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:18,570
24/7, 365 days a year.
529
00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:20,880
The main reason output was so slow was
530
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,130
because the light reflected
off of eight mirrors
531
00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:24,030
and the reticle,
532
00:20:24,030 --> 00:20:27,480
which is also a mirror, just
with the design imprinted.
533
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,820
Traditional masks that
allow light to pass through
534
00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:32,420
don't work because, well,
they absorb all the light.
535
00:20:33,540 --> 00:20:36,300
Each mirror had a
reflectivity of around 70%,
536
00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:37,830
which is close to the max,
537
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:39,330
but after nine bounces,
538
00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:42,240
you are only left with 4% of the light,
539
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,150
which means that out of every 100 photons,
540
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:47,163
only four make it to the wafer.
541
00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:51,510
So you might think just
use way fewer mirrors,
542
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:53,670
but that only works up to a point.
543
00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:56,010
When you focus light
with any optical system,
544
00:20:56,010 --> 00:20:58,140
you always get some distortion.
545
00:20:58,140 --> 00:21:00,570
For example, rays that pass
through the outer edges
546
00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:02,790
of most lenses focus
light slightly different
547
00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:04,020
from those near the center.
548
00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:06,060
This is called spherical aberration.
549
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:07,920
And normal cameras correct for this
550
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,827
and other aberrations by
using multiple lenses.
551
00:21:10,827 --> 00:21:12,960
And a mirror system is no different.
552
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,050
- You need to have a
certain amount of mirrors
553
00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:20,490
before you can say I have my
aberrations under control.
554
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:24,510
In reality, the systems
of today have six mirrors.
555
00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:25,830
- That helps a little.
556
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:29,040
But after reflecting off
six mirrors and the reticle,
557
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,220
you are still only left with
around 8% of your light.
558
00:21:32,220 --> 00:21:34,230
So they needed to drastically increase
559
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:36,810
the source power to at least 100 watts.
560
00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:38,340
Now to most companies,
561
00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,010
that tenfold increase seemed impossible.
562
00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:43,620
Even people who worked on the
Engineering Test Stand noted
563
00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:47,190
that while EUV technology
itself is a done deal,
564
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:50,220
there were six zillion
engineering challenges
565
00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:52,710
to make it a fab-line reality.
566
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:54,330
And so one by one,
567
00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:56,160
American companies walked away
568
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,220
from developing a full
EUV lithography machine.
569
00:21:59,220 --> 00:22:02,373
That left just one company, ASML.
570
00:22:03,605 --> 00:22:04,770
ASML, which used to stand for
571
00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:07,110
Advanced Semiconductor
Materials Lithography,
572
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:10,320
is located in a small, nondescript
town in the Netherlands.
573
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480
It spun off from Philips back in the '80s
574
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,800
with little more than a shed
575
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,680
and a barely working
wafer stepper to its name.
576
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,973
But Philips also gave them people,
577
00:22:18,973 --> 00:22:21,120
Jos Benschop, ASML's first researcher,
578
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,590
and Martin van den Brink,
579
00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:25,200
who would eventually become ASML's CTO,
580
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720
and EUV's greatest champion.
581
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,300
- And he is really like the
Steve Jobs of lithography.
582
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:32,040
And he saw EUV coming.
583
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,070
- ASML had joined the US
EUV consortium earlier
584
00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:37,950
and now it became their task to find a way
585
00:22:37,950 --> 00:22:39,480
to commercialize EUV.
586
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,060
They would work together with
their German partner, Zeiss,
587
00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:43,830
where Zeiss would take
care of the mirrors,
588
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:47,250
and ASML would focus on the light source.
589
00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:48,900
One of the first decisions when making
590
00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:52,890
any lithography system is
deciding which wavelength to use.
591
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:54,420
- In the early days, anything between
592
00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:57,690
five and 14 nanometers was explored.
593
00:22:57,690 --> 00:23:00,750
The thing is you need to find a source
594
00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:02,610
and you need to find optics that reflect
595
00:23:02,610 --> 00:23:03,630
the wavelengths.
- Right.
596
00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:05,370
- So you have to look for the combination.
597
00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:07,080
- Underwood and Barbee had already made
598
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,930
mirrors that could reflect
light of around four nanometers.
599
00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:11,940
And since that wavelength is so small,
600
00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:14,310
it seems like the obvious choice,
601
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:16,710
but the maximum reflectivity
for those mirrors was
602
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:18,120
only around 20%.
603
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,330
So after hitting six
mirrors and the reticle,
604
00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:26,330
you are just left with
0.00128% of the light,
605
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:28,800
which is way too low.
606
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,900
Fortunately, further
researchers also looked
607
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,670
at two other pairs,
608
00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:34,140
silicon and molybdenum,
609
00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:37,800
which had a theoretical
maximum reflectivity of 70%
610
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,080
for wavelengths around 13 nanometers,
611
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480
and molybdenum and beryllium
612
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,110
with a theoretical maximum
reflectivity of 80%
613
00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:48,300
for wavelengths around 11 nanometers.
614
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:50,610
So the choice seemed obvious, right?
615
00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:52,260
I mean, pick the shorter wavelength
616
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:53,760
and the higher reflectivity.
617
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,360
But it turns out that
beryllium is extremely toxic
618
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,310
and it's also difficult to handle.
619
00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:03,720
So scientists focused on
silicon and molybdenum instead.
620
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,110
To make the mirrors, Zeiss used
a process called sputtering.
621
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:09,000
A target of coating material is
622
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,790
bombarded with either plasma or ions,
623
00:24:11,790 --> 00:24:14,190
causing atoms to be ejected, fly off
624
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:15,960
and stick to the mirror.
625
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,460
This is a messy process,
626
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:20,760
so the layers end up
having bumps and gaps.
627
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,950
- There was a nice trick that actually
628
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:26,520
the team in the Netherlands
perfected with ion beam.
629
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,320
You just shake it a little bit
630
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,115
until the atoms falls in the
hole where it needs to be
631
00:24:31,115 --> 00:24:32,460
and then it's all flat.
632
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:34,260
- [Casper] With the
mirror design locked in,
633
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:37,939
ASML needed a source for
that specific wavelength.
634
00:24:37,939 --> 00:24:40,261
- So it was 13.x.
- Yeah.
635
00:24:40,261 --> 00:24:43,074
- Okay, now the next good
question is what's the x?
636
00:24:43,074 --> 00:24:45,390
Now you look for the source.
637
00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:48,750
So there are basically
three ways to generate EUV,
638
00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:52,091
to build a sun on Earth.
639
00:24:52,091 --> 00:24:54,030
- [Casper] The first method
which early researchers used
640
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:55,200
was the Synchrotron,
641
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,610
but it was quickly ruled out
642
00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:59,760
because each machine
needed its own source.
643
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,310
The other two methods are
based on the same principle.
644
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:04,800
When an electron recombines with an ion,
645
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,290
the ion drops to a lower energy level
646
00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:10,080
and it releases that
excess energy as a photon.
647
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,810
And if you choose the ion just right,
648
00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:16,380
then that photon will have
exactly the wavelength you need.
649
00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:19,200
Now, there are two ways
you can create those ions.
650
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,730
The first is you take a metal,
651
00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:22,470
heat it up until you get a metal vapor,
652
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:26,010
and then you apply a strong
electric field across it.
653
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:28,830
This causes free electrons
to knock into nearby atoms
654
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:30,093
and ionize them.
655
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,880
If you then turn off the electric field,
656
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,540
the electrons recombine with
the ions and produce light.
657
00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:39,360
This is discharge-produced plasma.
658
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,950
- [Jos] That's the concept we use first.
659
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:41,910
- [Casper] Yeah.
- Because of its
660
00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:43,530
relative simplicity.
661
00:25:43,530 --> 00:25:46,260
And we quickly got it to a few watts.
662
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:49,800
We wanted to get 100 watts
and we struggled forever.
663
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,523
- So you couldn't scale it.
664
00:25:51,523 --> 00:25:52,356
- We could not scale it.
665
00:25:52,356 --> 00:25:54,300
- They needed a drastic change.
666
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,490
So they switched to the second method.
667
00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:58,530
This method uses a high powered laser
668
00:25:58,530 --> 00:26:00,150
to hit a target material,
669
00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:01,170
creating a plasma
670
00:26:01,170 --> 00:26:04,980
that's more than 220,000
degrees Celsius hot.
671
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:06,750
The electrons have so much energy
672
00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:09,210
that the nucleus can't
hold onto them anymore,
673
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:12,750
and up to 14 electrons
escape their orbits.
674
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:14,010
After the laser shuts off,
675
00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:17,610
the electrons and ions
recombine to produce light.
676
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:19,440
This is laser-produced plasma
677
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,023
and it was the only method
that seemed scalable.
678
00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:25,320
In fact, this was the same method
679
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,970
that the Engineering Test Stand used,
680
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:30,900
a 1,700 watt laser fired
into a stream of xenon gas
681
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,440
to produce 13.4 nanometer light.
682
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,570
But xenon had a big problem.
683
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:38,400
The conversion efficiency that is
684
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,110
the ratio of usable light
685
00:26:40,110 --> 00:26:42,690
to the amount of power
you put in was terrible.
686
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,303
It was only around 0.5%.
687
00:26:45,614 --> 00:26:47,250
That's because while xenon does emit light
688
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:49,560
in the 13 to 14 nanometer range,
689
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,590
there's much more light
released around 11 nanometers.
690
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:54,990
So most of the energy
went into making light
691
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:57,060
that the mirrors couldn't reflect.
692
00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:59,550
Plus, the laser didn't
ionize all the atoms.
693
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:01,890
So, leftover neutral xenon atoms would
694
00:27:01,890 --> 00:27:05,553
strongly reabsorb some of
that 13.4 nanometer light.
695
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:10,560
So ASML started looking
at another material, tin.
696
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,660
Now, tin has a much higher emission peak,
697
00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,430
around 13.5 nanometers,
698
00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:17,100
which results in a five to 10 times higher
699
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,080
conversion efficiency than xenon.
700
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,870
But just like xenon, neutral
tin atoms also absorb
701
00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:22,890
EUV light.
702
00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:25,470
So they came up with a crazy idea,
703
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:29,010
to shoot one tiny tin droplet at a time.
704
00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:30,330
But to get the required power,
705
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:31,800
you would have to make and hit
706
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,560
thousands of droplets every second,
707
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,923
all of which have to be the
exact same shape and size.
708
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,490
But it turns out that
you can't instantly make
709
00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:44,370
thousands of tin droplets
that are the exact same.
710
00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:46,710
So, they found a workaround.
711
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:49,890
To make the droplets,
extremely pure tin is melted
712
00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:51,930
and pushed through a microscopic nozzle
713
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:53,550
by high pressure nitrogen.
714
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:55,740
This nozzle vibrates at a high frequency,
715
00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:58,470
breaking the stream into tiny droplets.
716
00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:01,050
These droplets are
irregular in size, shape,
717
00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:02,250
velocity and distance,
718
00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:04,980
and the whole process is chaotic.
719
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:06,510
- That's like our magic sauce,
720
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:10,050
is how do you modulate that tin jet
721
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:11,430
so that it forms the droplets we want
722
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:12,263
and that they're stable?
723
00:28:12,263 --> 00:28:16,560
- I think we found some paper
that describe this process
724
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,080
and it was sort of eyeopening to me
725
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,940
that it seems like all the droplets
726
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:23,880
actually come out irregular
out of the nozzle,
727
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,010
but then before they reach the side
728
00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:27,510
where they get hit by the laser,
729
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:29,970
like the little irregular
droplets come together
730
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:32,280
to form these perfectly spaced,
731
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,660
perfectly regular droplets
732
00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:36,360
that are about the same size and shape
733
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,730
and all traveling at the same velocity.
734
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:40,740
That feels like magic to me, Jayson.
735
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:42,210
- Yeah, it's exactly that.
736
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:45,610
It's how do you take a
long stream of a tin jet
737
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:49,380
that wants to break up into
all these irregular droplets
738
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:51,720
and like force onto it
739
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,880
that it's gonna collapse
into a single droplet
740
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,310
and then happen again and again and again?
741
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:57,960
- [Casper] You also don't
have that many variables
742
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,793
to play with.
743
00:28:58,793 --> 00:28:59,940
You've got the pressure
744
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:01,380
with which you push out the tin
745
00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:03,480
and at the frequency of the nozzle.
746
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,880
Yeah, it seems like a
hard problem to solve.
747
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,980
- There's not a whole lot
of variables to play with.
748
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:12,780
And so mastering that
modulation of the jet is
749
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:14,030
how we make the droplets.
750
00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:17,850
- [Casper] But these droplets
not only have to be identical,
751
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:20,733
they have to be moving incredibly fast.
752
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,030
- What will happen is if the next droplet
753
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:26,250
that's coming down the line is too close,
754
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:28,830
then it'll actually get like disturbed
755
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:31,560
and mess up the next plasma event.
756
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,630
So we have a requirement
757
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:36,150
which is both that we make
50,000 droplets per second,
758
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:39,810
but also that they're
traveling extremely fast.
759
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:42,720
- [Casper] By 2011, their
laser-produced plasma source
760
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,310
reached 11 watts,
761
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:46,320
which was more than
double what they managed
762
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,940
with their previous source.
763
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:51,030
But they were still limited
to just five wafers per hour.
764
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:54,210
So, they needed to increase
the power and fast,
765
00:29:54,210 --> 00:29:56,850
because they promised they'd
hit 60 wafers per hour
766
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:59,280
by the end of 2011.
767
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,790
Unfortunately, this new
method had a major flaw.
768
00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:05,160
- Now the problem with the tin
issue, you hit the droplet,
769
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,940
you generate EUV with a very
decent conversion efficiency.
770
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:10,110
Where does the tin go?
771
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:13,050
Because like, you know,
30 centimeters away,
772
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:15,480
you have this atomically flat,
773
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,120
very beautiful, very expensive mirror
774
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,920
from our friends at Zeiss.
- [Casper] Yeah.
775
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,600
- And in the early days,
776
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,458
we would coat a thing within.
777
00:30:23,458 --> 00:30:24,291
(Jos clicks fingers)
778
00:30:24,291 --> 00:30:25,350
Like this.
- These machines need
779
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:26,760
to run for a year.
780
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,760
You're putting liters of tin
through this plasma event
781
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:33,690
and a single nanometer of tin,
782
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:35,670
if it was to land on
that collector mirror,
783
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:37,710
you'd have to take the
collector outta commission.
784
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:42,030
We need to keep it almost
perfectly clean for a year.
785
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:43,830
- Yeah, how do you even approach that?
786
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:47,550
- So our main tool here is
the hydrogen gas, actually.
787
00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:48,690
- [Casper] They fill the chamber
788
00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:50,190
with low pressure hydrogen.
789
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:52,980
This slows and cools
the tin particles down.
790
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,440
And even if something
makes it to the collector,
791
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,070
the hydrogen pulls it off to
form a gas called stannane.
792
00:30:59,070 --> 00:31:01,230
This way, the machine
cleans the collectors
793
00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:02,520
while it's running,
794
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,620
but that hydrogen gas also gets hot
795
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:06,480
from all those tin explosions.
796
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,270
So they need to keep
flushing new, cooler hydrogen
797
00:31:09,270 --> 00:31:11,820
into the system while
flushing out the stannane
798
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:13,350
and hotter gas.
799
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:15,480
But they have to get the
pressure and the flow rate
800
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,410
just right.
801
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:17,970
I mean, too little hydrogen
802
00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:19,860
and the mirrors would get too dirty,
803
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:21,960
but too much hydrogen
would not only absorb
804
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,340
too much EUV light,
805
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:26,160
but it would also cause
the system to overheat.
806
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,710
- The question is how much heat is there?
807
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:31,560
How much energy is being
deposited into the gas?
808
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,630
And we were stumped for quite some time.
809
00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:35,610
If you look at a EUV light source,
810
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:39,030
what you'll see is that
it's kinda like a globe
811
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:41,520
of like purple-ish red light
812
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920
and you kinda ask yourself
like, why is that happening?
813
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,650
So we bought an ultra-fast camera.
814
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:49,200
What we realized is that
after every plasma event,
815
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,810
there's a shockwave that goes
816
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:54,450
propagating out into the hydrogen gas
817
00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:57,330
and it's extremely repeatable.
818
00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:58,163
And you think to yourself,
819
00:31:58,163 --> 00:32:00,420
there must be like an
explanation for this.
820
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:02,940
And there's this formula,
821
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:06,000
the Taylor-von Neumann-Sedov
formula that explains
822
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,920
point source explosions in an environment,
823
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,520
in like, say, a nuclear
blast out to like supernova.
824
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,840
So I took this formula,
825
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,970
it like exactly describes the data.
826
00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:17,550
It's just fantastic that we're seeing
827
00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:19,950
these, like, tiny little
supernovas happening
828
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:22,440
in our vessel 50,000 times a second.
829
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,390
- And is that a fair
way to think about this,
830
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:27,090
like creating mini supernova?
831
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:28,650
- Yeah, it's actually pretty similar.
832
00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:30,300
It's almost like very similar to a,
833
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,160
like a type 1A supernova, it turns out,
834
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,480
where you kind of have an object
835
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
that just fully evaporates
and explodes apart.
836
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,390
And when all that energy
goes into the hydrogen gas,
837
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:41,520
it produces a shock wave, a blast wave
838
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,660
that comes flying out,
839
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:44,651
which is basically the same thing.
840
00:32:44,651 --> 00:32:45,570
If you look up in the night sky,
841
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:47,250
there are these like remnant supernovas
842
00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:49,440
that you can see coming from space.
843
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,120
- [Casper] Using those
energy calculations,
844
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,680
they discovered they needed to flush
845
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,900
the hydrogen at incredibly high speeds,
846
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,450
around 360 kilometers per hour.
847
00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:59,520
That's more than a Category 5 hurricane,
848
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,760
even if, you know, those
speeds are at low density.
849
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,500
But 2012 came and went
850
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,900
and they still didn't have enough power.
851
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:10,410
In fact, by 2013, ASML
just reached 50 watts
852
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:13,320
by shooting 50,000 tin
droplets per second.
853
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,600
But this increased power came at a price
854
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,330
because more power means more heat,
855
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,180
heat that ends up slightly
shifting the mirrors,
856
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:25,110
resulting in misaligned light
and misaligned chip layers.
857
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,270
So Zeiss built a nervous system
858
00:33:27,270 --> 00:33:29,010
directly into the optics,
859
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:31,530
robot-guided sensors
that constantly measure
860
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:34,410
the exact position and
angle of each mirror
861
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:37,140
down to the nanometer at the pico-radian,
862
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,570
which is absolutely insane.
863
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:42,600
- So how accurate do we
need to control this mirror?
864
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,510
Now one of the things, you
can do a thought experiment.
865
00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:47,880
- [Casper] Okay.
- And I can place
866
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,660
a little laser on the side of this mirror.
867
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:53,700
Then we go all the way to the Moon
868
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,400
and we put a dime here.
869
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,260
So then this light travels
870
00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,290
all the way here and
then with the accuracy,
871
00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:02,880
I can control this mirror.
872
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,530
- Yes.
- I can decide
873
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:07,830
whether I point to this side of the dime
874
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:09,538
or whether I point.
- That's insane.
875
00:34:09,538 --> 00:34:10,699
- To this side of the dime.
876
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:12,930
- What, that's crazy.
877
00:34:12,930 --> 00:34:16,500
- So you can see that
the pointing accuracy is
878
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,580
that's also in pico-radians.
879
00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:21,243
That is something very extreme.
880
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,760
- This allowed them to control the light
881
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
even when the power increased.
882
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,500
While Zeiss was doing a
stellar job with the optics,
883
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,710
ASML was still struggling
with the power source.
884
00:34:31,710 --> 00:34:34,800
The problem was that the
tin droplets were too dense,
885
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,620
meaning that most of the
emitted EUV light was
886
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:39,030
still getting reabsorbed
887
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:41,490
by the neutral atoms
before it could ever reach
888
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:42,570
the collector mirror.
889
00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:44,790
- The way we blasted the droplet was
890
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:47,460
so not enough light, too much debris.
891
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,960
- To make matters worse,
892
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,210
they could see that
about 10 years from now,
893
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:53,610
they would need a new
generation of machine,
894
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:55,710
a high NA EUV machine,
895
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:58,290
essentially one with a larger optic system
896
00:34:58,290 --> 00:34:59,910
that could print smaller features.
897
00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:02,070
So what did they do?
898
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:04,680
They decided to double down and invest
899
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,270
in the next generation
900
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,850
before they even got
the current one to work.
901
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:11,160
- The most doubtful period
was in the beginning.
902
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,130
So I started to work on this in 2012.
903
00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:17,079
By that time, EUV was not working
904
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,110
and there was this crazy idiot
905
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:21,220
working on the next generation
906
00:35:22,141 --> 00:35:23,547
where we could not even make
907
00:35:23,547 --> 00:35:25,440
the EUV light in the first place.
908
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,690
- Not only are you all in on EUV,
909
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:29,340
you're doubling down even before you know
910
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:31,530
if EUV is gonna work.
- Yes, yes.
911
00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:33,180
- But to keep funding the development,
912
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:35,610
they needed money and lots of it.
913
00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:37,740
So, they turned to the
very people who needed
914
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:38,673
this technology.
915
00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:41,970
- ASML reached out to its main customers,
916
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:44,700
okay, you want this technology
917
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,440
for the next generation of chips?
918
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,690
Well, you need to make us able
919
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:52,110
to invest more by investing in us.
920
00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:55,320
- Intel invested around $4.1 billion
921
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,060
and Samsung and TSMC invested
another 1.3 billion combined.
922
00:36:00,060 --> 00:36:01,950
So they can keep the research going,
923
00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:04,080
but with no product to show,
924
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,390
customers were running out of patience.
925
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,540
- We were crucified at every conference
926
00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:11,550
that the promises we made last year,
927
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:13,680
we were unable to live up to.
928
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,617
- Yeah.
- And they said,
929
00:36:14,617 --> 00:36:16,080
"This is what you showed two years ago.
930
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,310
This is what you showed last year
931
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:18,750
and this is what you're
telling me this year.
932
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:20,280
So why would I believe you?"
933
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,140
- They were getting desperate.
934
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:27,140
- But this was, I think,
about 2012 or '13,
935
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,700
we were struggling to get the EUV power up
936
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,200
and Kinoshita visited us.
937
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,570
I took him to dinner
in a small town nearby
938
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:37,500
and across from the
restaurant was a Maria Chapel.
939
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,210
And now, you know, science,
940
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:41,460
we have come to the limits of science.
941
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:43,320
Hey, let's go for Divine intervention.
942
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,880
So we went to the chapel,
943
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,110
so Kinoshita just to be
safe lit three candles
944
00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:52,170
for the three suppliers that
were pursuing EUV technology
945
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:53,100
at the time.
946
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,400
And lo and behold, and I
have the data to prove it,
947
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,856
there is a very strong correlation
948
00:36:58,856 --> 00:37:02,943
between us lighting the
candle and power going up.
949
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,500
It's not a causal effect, but
there is a strong correlation.
950
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,380
- The big idea was instead
of hitting the droplet once,
951
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:11,670
hit it twice.
952
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:14,130
- [Jos] One shot to hit the droplet
953
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:16,833
and it expands in like a pancake shape.
954
00:37:16,833 --> 00:37:18,060
- [Casper] Yep.
- And then,
955
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:19,980
only then have the second shot,
956
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:21,990
the more powerful main pulse
957
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:23,910
where you evaporate the pancake
958
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,470
and turn it into a plasma.
959
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:26,303
- [Casper] Yeah.
- This was
960
00:37:26,303 --> 00:37:27,630
a major breakthrough.
961
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:28,890
- [Casper] By changing the target
962
00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:30,480
from a droplet to a pancake,
963
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,660
you got a larger surface area
for the laser to vaporize,
964
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:37,170
but without the cost of adding
more debris or neutral atoms
965
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:40,710
because now the tin is
vaporized all at once.
966
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:43,440
By 2014, they finally managed to hit
967
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,750
that coveted 100 watts mark.
968
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:47,580
But improvements in multi patterning
969
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,410
with 193 nanometers
970
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:51,930
now meant that EUV would only be useful
971
00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:54,210
if the source reached at least 200 watts
972
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:56,850
and made 125 wafers per hour.
973
00:37:56,850 --> 00:37:58,547
- The source went from 100 to 200,
974
00:37:58,547 --> 00:38:01,290
but as the industry moved
on, nobody waits for you.
975
00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:03,600
You know, they find other solutions.
976
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,040
We had to catch up.
977
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,050
So, it was a moving goalpost.
978
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:09,330
- One of the problems was
how do you perfectly time
979
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:12,180
the laser so you hit
each of these droplets?
980
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:14,940
- So the analogy is a bit like a golf ball
981
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:18,960
that you need to land in
the hole 200 meters away,
982
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,160
not like land on the green,
983
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,300
not bouncing and get in the hole,
984
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,640
but like land in the hole every time.
985
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,080
That's the level of precision that we need
986
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,880
to deliver the droplets.
987
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,050
Those droplets are traveling
988
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:30,720
through this like
maelstrom of hydrogen flow.
989
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,580
The speeds are tremendously high,
990
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:34,500
like shooting golf
balls through a tornado,
991
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,750
and then right when it lands at the hole,
992
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:38,610
that's when it needs to
get hit by the laser.
993
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:41,730
So in order to basically
track the droplets for that,
994
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:44,640
we use laser curtains and
we can sort of look at
995
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,770
when does the droplet pass
through a laser curtain.
996
00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:50,220
Those scattered photons tell
us basically when and where is
997
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:51,053
the droplet,
998
00:38:51,053 --> 00:38:53,070
and then importantly tells
us when to fire the laser.
999
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:54,870
So we actually have to take into account
1000
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:57,090
how long will it take for
the light pulse to hit
1001
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:58,890
the droplet after we send the pulse.
1002
00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:01,320
- Now by 2015,
1003
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,240
they were getting closer and closer
1004
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:05,490
to that coveted 200 watt mark,
1005
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:09,420
when all of a sudden the ASML
board members got summoned.
1006
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:12,090
- This was one of these decisive moments
1007
00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:15,360
where our customers were
really thin on patience
1008
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,920
and Martin and all the board members were
1009
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,590
summoned to Korea to show
1010
00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:22,560
200 watt and they were
really fed up with it.
1011
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,460
You know, you either show
it now or you go away.
1012
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:28,020
And when they entered the plane,
1013
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:28,990
the experiment was still running.
1014
00:39:28,990 --> 00:39:31,410
- [Casper] Okay.
- When they exited
1015
00:39:31,410 --> 00:39:32,730
the plane,
1016
00:39:32,730 --> 00:39:34,883
they had the first result
demonstrating 200 watt.
1017
00:39:34,883 --> 00:39:36,960
This is how close we came.
1018
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,190
- With the source power up,
1019
00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:41,340
there was one final problem
that had to be solved
1020
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:44,310
before they could begin
manufacturing their machine.
1021
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:46,350
See, while the hydrogen gas did protect
1022
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:48,180
the collector mirror from debris,
1023
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:49,710
it wasn't perfect.
1024
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:51,870
All the intense, high energy photons
1025
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,150
and hydrogen ions zipping around
1026
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:57,840
deteriorated a very special
top coating on the collector.
1027
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,260
So they still had to clean
the mirrors every 10 hours,
1028
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:04,050
which, you know, is
terrible for productivity.
1029
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:06,330
Martin van den Brink asked
for updates every day
1030
00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:07,260
on their progress.
1031
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:09,240
But then one of the engineers noticed
1032
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,670
that every time they
opened up the machine,
1033
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:14,400
the mirrors suddenly seemed cleaner.
1034
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,027
- That he kind of chimed in and said,
1035
00:40:16,027 --> 00:40:18,090
"Oh, wait a second.
1036
00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:20,160
Whenever we opened up the machine,
1037
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,800
oxygen comes in and our problem is solved.
1038
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,870
Couldn't we think of a way to add
1039
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:27,300
just a little oxygen to our system
1040
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,290
and make sure that the
collector stays clean longer?"
1041
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:33,780
And so they started experimenting
1042
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:36,347
with the amount of oxygen that was needed
1043
00:40:36,347 --> 00:40:39,090
in the vacuum and then
finally got to this point,
1044
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:41,010
okay, if we add so much oxygen,
1045
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:43,530
we'll keep the collector clean for longer.
1046
00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:45,570
- With this fix, ASML's machine could run
1047
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:48,960
continuously for much
longer and it finally became
1048
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,640
commercially viable.
1049
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,160
By 2016, orders started pouring in
1050
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,770
and now all of the most
advanced chips need
1051
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:56,910
ASML's machine,
1052
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:59,190
making them perhaps the most important
1053
00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:01,140
tech company in the world.
1054
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:03,120
ASML's first commercial machines had
1055
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,370
a numerical aperture of 0.33
1056
00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:08,010
and could print 13 nanometer lines.
1057
00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:10,140
These are called the low NA machines
1058
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:11,880
and ASML still makes them.
1059
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,340
But the machine that Jan's
team started working on
1060
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,280
back in 2012 was the next generation,
1061
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,050
which had a larger optic system
1062
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:21,240
so they could print even smaller features.
1063
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,340
This is the high NA machine
1064
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:26,340
with a numerical aperture of 0.55,
1065
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:29,493
and we get to see their
latest version up close.
1066
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:32,160
- How much is the machine?
1067
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,000
- We always say north
of 350 million euros.
1068
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,410
- And you can actually buy it, right?
1069
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:38,490
- You can if you want, yeah.
1070
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:40,263
- If I had the money I could buy it?
1071
00:41:40,263 --> 00:41:41,223
- Yes, you could.
1072
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:43,590
- How many people have seen this before?
1073
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:46,020
- We really limit the amount of people
1074
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:47,820
that get to go inside the clean room.
1075
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:49,290
- [Casper] ASML's machines are built
1076
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:51,000
in a super strict clean room.
1077
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,910
In any cubic meter, there can
be no more than 10 particles,
1078
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:55,860
only 0.1 microns large,
1079
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:57,570
and nothing bigger than that.
1080
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:59,640
A spec of pollen is around 20 microns
1081
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,700
and extremely fine sand
is around 10 microns.
1082
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,440
To put all of this in perspective,
1083
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,730
hospital operating rooms,
1084
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:07,560
which have to be extremely clean,
1085
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,040
only allow a maximum of 10,000
particles per cubic meter
1086
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,830
that are 0.1 microns wide.
1087
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:16,450
It's so unfair how much
better Marc looks, though
1088
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:18,420
in his light suit.
1089
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:19,770
I feel like a little Smurf.
1090
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:24,690
- Okay, so we're gonna go
through the air showers,
1091
00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:26,700
so you're gonna have to do as I do.
1092
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:27,720
- [Casper] Okay.
1093
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,142
So this is brushing down all the particles
1094
00:42:30,142 --> 00:42:30,975
that are still on us.
1095
00:42:30,975 --> 00:42:32,430
- [Marc] Yes, so this
is like super clean air
1096
00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:33,543
blowing us clean.
1097
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,183
- [Casper] This place is huge.
1098
00:42:36,183 --> 00:42:38,220
- [Marc] It's huge.
- [Casper] It's insane.
1099
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:40,740
I've been in a clean room
a couple times before,
1100
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:42,540
but it's nothing compared to this.
1101
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:44,460
Are there any secret areas here
1102
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,160
where almost no one has access to?
1103
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:48,800
- [Marc] I can't tell you.
1104
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,865
(Casper laughs)
1105
00:42:49,865 --> 00:42:50,698
- [Casper] Great answer.
1106
00:42:50,698 --> 00:42:52,473
- [Marc] Okay, so this
is the total system.
1107
00:42:54,980 --> 00:42:56,292
- [Casper] This is crazy.
1108
00:42:56,292 --> 00:42:57,960
Look how big it is.
1109
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,170
This is the most advanced
machine humanity's ever built.
1110
00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:04,890
It's taken many, many years,
decades of development,
1111
00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:06,690
many billions of dollars,
1112
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:09,243
all to get this humongous beauty.
1113
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:12,120
So this is the first high NA machine.
1114
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,953
- [Marc] Yes.
1115
00:43:12,953 --> 00:43:16,950
So if you saw pictures on
the internet or whatever,
1116
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:17,783
that's this machine.
1117
00:43:17,783 --> 00:43:20,490
So the very first lines ever
printed at eight nanometers
1118
00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:22,170
and stuff, that was this machine.
1119
00:43:22,170 --> 00:43:24,690
- [Casper] This smoothest object on earth.
1120
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:26,670
- [Marc] Yeah, it's all in here, yeah.
1121
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:29,130
- [Casper] Wait, so let me
see if I can figure this out.
1122
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:31,980
This is the light source.
1123
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,170
It's where they make
the extreme ultraviolet.
1124
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:35,003
- [Marc] Yes.
1125
00:43:36,106 --> 00:43:37,740
- [Casper] And then the laser
must come in from there.
1126
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:39,690
- [Marc] Yeah, let's
take a look at the laser.
1127
00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:40,710
- [Casper] In fact, we got to see
1128
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:42,760
just how the laser and light source work.
1129
00:43:43,744 --> 00:43:45,450
I think we're entering
the laser system here.
1130
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:46,680
Marc's just making sure I think
1131
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,510
that we can actually film here,
1132
00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:50,850
that we're not catching
anything we're not supposed to.
1133
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:53,610
Oh wow, this looks dangerous.
1134
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:55,020
Now the laser system is covered
1135
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:56,550
by all of these brown cabinets,
1136
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,530
but here is a model version.
1137
00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:01,380
A carbon dioxide laser of
just a few watts enters
1138
00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:03,720
this amplifier where it bounces around
1139
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,660
until it's roughly five
times its original power.
1140
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:09,510
It then goes through a total
of four different amplifiers
1141
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:12,780
to bring the final laser
up to 20,000 watts,
1142
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:15,090
which is four times stronger
than lasers that cut
1143
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:16,350
through steel.
1144
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:19,860
- Over here we have the
amplifiers that generates
1145
00:44:19,860 --> 00:44:22,050
this powerful laser beam.
1146
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:23,820
And then it basically comes out
1147
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:26,880
and this is part of the
beam transport system
1148
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,190
where it's brought to the machine.
1149
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:31,800
So this pipe here has the big laser beam.
1150
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,560
- And this has a mirror.
- [Marc] Yes.
1151
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,730
- [Casper] Then the pulses travel
1152
00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:37,050
to the light source module.
1153
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:38,700
It kind of looks like a Transformer
1154
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:41,580
or like a, I don't know, like a spaceship.
1155
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:44,220
There's so many wires going everywhere.
1156
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:45,520
- [Marc] Don't touch this.
1157
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:49,500
- [Casper] Holy crap.
1158
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:51,934
This is pretty big, huh?
1159
00:44:51,934 --> 00:44:53,000
This is insane.
1160
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,203
- [Marc] And this is
just the light source.
1161
00:44:54,203 --> 00:44:55,036
- [Casper] This is just a light source.
1162
00:44:55,036 --> 00:44:56,850
Are you getting this comparison shot?
1163
00:44:56,850 --> 00:45:00,180
- [Marc] And so you need all
of this just to make EUV light.
1164
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:02,430
- [Casper] Just to make the
light, that's incredible.
1165
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:03,973
Can we do a little walk around?
1166
00:45:03,973 --> 00:45:04,823
- [Marc] We can do a little walk.
1167
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:07,650
- Let's go.
1168
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:10,770
- So basically, this is
the heart of the source.
1169
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:12,320
- [Casper] Can I stand on here?
1170
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,750
- [Marc] If you are below 137, you can.
1171
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:17,400
- [Casper] I don't, I think I am.
1172
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:22,103
Woo.
1173
00:45:22,103 --> 00:45:24,420
And so the tin droplets are
coming in from the left.
1174
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:25,470
- [Marc] Yes.
1175
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:27,930
- [Casper] Then we're
shooting the laser from here.
1176
00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:29,250
- [Marc] Yeah.
1177
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:30,750
- [Casper] Okay, it explodes.
1178
00:45:30,750 --> 00:45:31,650
- [Marc] And then the light.
1179
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:33,450
- [Casper] The light goes out there.
1180
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:37,260
One improvement from
ASML's first EUV machine
1181
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:38,670
to their newest one is
1182
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:41,460
the number of pulses that hit the droplet.
1183
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:43,890
The first pre-pulse still
flattens the droplet
1184
00:45:43,890 --> 00:45:45,090
into a pancake,
1185
00:45:45,090 --> 00:45:47,430
but now there's also a second pre-pulse
1186
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:49,020
that further reduces the density.
1187
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:51,900
It basically turns it
into a low density gas,
1188
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,640
it rarifies it.
1189
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,210
And then the final pulse
essentially ionizes all of it.
1190
00:45:57,210 --> 00:46:00,570
So for basically the same power
coming from the drive laser,
1191
00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:03,030
they get even more EUV light.
1192
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:04,530
Now if they want even more light,
1193
00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:05,760
then the only way to do that is
1194
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,290
by hitting more droplets.
1195
00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:09,300
And that's exactly what they did.
1196
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:11,760
- Our most recent EUV light sources
1197
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,810
that we're shipping right now,
1198
00:46:12,810 --> 00:46:15,330
which are around the 500 watt level,
1199
00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:18,480
we increased the rep rate up
to 60,000 times per second.
1200
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,460
And then we have a roadmap that's gonna go
1201
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:22,920
to 100,000 droplets per second.
1202
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,510
We've actually now already demonstrated
1203
00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:26,670
this 100,000 droplets
per second in the lab.
1204
00:46:26,670 --> 00:46:28,410
So it's not an if but a when.
1205
00:46:28,410 --> 00:46:30,030
- Crazy.
1206
00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:31,860
- [Marc] The three pulses
that we use to make
1207
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:34,020
the pancake, to blow up
the pancake a little bit
1208
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:36,360
and then to evaporate the pancake.
1209
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,596
- [Casper] Yeah.
1210
00:46:37,596 --> 00:46:38,429
- The first two pulses,
1211
00:46:38,429 --> 00:46:41,970
they would be coming in
through this pipe here
1212
00:46:41,970 --> 00:46:45,180
and then the main pulse
with the big laser,
1213
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:48,000
the laser beam would be
delivered through this pipe here.
1214
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,710
- [Casper] Both the
high and low NA machine
1215
00:46:49,710 --> 00:46:51,810
shipping out right now use three pulses
1216
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:55,260
and eventually they will hit
more droplets per second.
1217
00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:57,480
But the light source
is just one small part
1218
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,470
of the full machine.
1219
00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:00,300
After bouncing off the collector mirror,
1220
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,970
the EUV light moves to the illuminator.
1221
00:47:02,970 --> 00:47:05,250
A set of mirrors shape and focus the light
1222
00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:06,870
before it hits the reticle.
1223
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:08,160
The reticle is the top half
1224
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,440
and this module is built
in a separate facility
1225
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,880
and installed later.
1226
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,760
Next the light goes into
the projection optics box,
1227
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,640
which is a set of mirrors
that shrink the light down.
1228
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,530
The high NA machine can shrink the pattern
1229
00:47:19,530 --> 00:47:21,330
eight times in the vertical direction
1230
00:47:21,330 --> 00:47:24,000
and four times in the
horizontal direction.
1231
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,490
The mirrors are also much smoother still.
1232
00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:28,950
If the low NA's mirrors
were the size of Germany,
1233
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:31,110
the tallest bump would
be about a millimeter.
1234
00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:33,660
But if the high NA mirrors
were the size of the world,
1235
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:34,740
the tallest bump would be
1236
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:36,990
about the thickness of a playing card.
1237
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:39,180
By the combination of both
of these improvements,
1238
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:41,550
ASML was able to increase
the numerical aperture
1239
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:45,120
from 0.33 to 0.55.
1240
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,760
And finally, the light hits the wafer.
1241
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,180
In order to print around
185 wafers per hour,
1242
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:52,770
the reticle whips back and forth
1243
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:55,290
at accelerations of over 20 Gs.
1244
00:47:55,290 --> 00:47:57,270
That's over five times the acceleration
1245
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:58,890
of a Formula 1 car.
1246
00:47:58,890 --> 00:48:00,840
And this is some actual footage
1247
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,610
of what that's like inside this machine.
1248
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:04,623
And notice that this is not sped up.
1249
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:08,220
But the crazy thing to
me about this machine
1250
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:10,260
isn't how fast the reticle moves
1251
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:12,840
or even how small it can print,
1252
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,930
but it's just how insanely
accurate it needs to be.
1253
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:18,060
The most any two layers can be off,
1254
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:21,510
which is called the
overlay, is one nanometer.
1255
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:24,600
That's five freaking
silicon atoms of precision.
1256
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,800
That's insane.
1257
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,160
- So typically what we
do as system engineers is
1258
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,690
that we make a budget.
- [Casper] Yeah.
1259
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:33,780
- So we say, hey, you
get, let's say a nanometer
1260
00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:38,780
and we divide then the nanometers
1261
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,230
to smaller fractions.
- Right,
1262
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:41,280
the nanometers total.
1263
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,474
It's not like you group gets a nanometer.
1264
00:48:43,474 --> 00:48:44,790
- You get a nanometer, you get, no, no.
1265
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:48,240
You get a nanometer in total, yes.
1266
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,760
- [Casper] So you have to fight for the,
1267
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,770
for your part of the nanometer.
1268
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:53,970
- It's kind of cool to realize
1269
00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:57,330
that like every smartphone
nowadays has a chip
1270
00:48:57,330 --> 00:48:58,710
that is made with the machine
1271
00:48:58,710 --> 00:49:01,080
that was actually put together here.
1272
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,330
So that's a cool thought.
1273
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:06,210
- Take a look at this.
1274
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:07,410
- [Marc] It's pretty massive, eh?
1275
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:09,000
- [Casper] So big.
1276
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,890
So do you cover it up?
1277
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:11,723
- [Marc] Yes.
1278
00:49:11,723 --> 00:49:15,093
Had a customer fab, it will be
looking like a big white box.
1279
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,420
I like it better like this.
1280
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:19,620
- [Casper] Yeah, me too.
1281
00:49:20,970 --> 00:49:23,520
It's funny, you need such a big machine,
1282
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,740
so much infrastructure
1283
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:29,640
to make the tiniest things
we can make at scale.
1284
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,140
- It's inversely proportional.
1285
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:32,790
- Yeah, smaller you want to go,
1286
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:34,790
the larger everything around it becomes.
1287
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,160
After the machines are
assembled, tested and approved,
1288
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,083
they are disassembled to
ship all around the world.
1289
00:49:41,083 --> 00:49:44,280
5,000 companies supply 100,000 parts,
1290
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,710
3000 cables, 40,000 bolts
1291
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:48,990
and two kilometers of hosing.
1292
00:49:48,990 --> 00:49:52,020
ASML ships their high NA
machine in 250 containers
1293
00:49:52,020 --> 00:49:53,760
spread out over 25 trucks
1294
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,953
and seven Boeing 747s.
1295
00:49:57,540 --> 00:49:59,400
Despite all the doubt and setback,
1296
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,890
EUV finally made it to manufacturing level
1297
00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:05,070
three decades after
Kinoshita's first images.
1298
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:07,830
But even when almost the
entire world didn't believe
1299
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:08,790
it would work,
1300
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:11,400
there were some people at ASML who knew
1301
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,760
that it was going to work
all the way back in 2010.
1302
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,900
- Around 2001, we said let's do EUV.
1303
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,180
And then we run into many challenges.
1304
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:24,000
2010, we installed the
first system at a customer.
1305
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,710
So it was installed in Korea.
1306
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:28,680
There it was, this thing
I had been pursuing
1307
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,690
for, you know, 13 years was
1308
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:34,380
now standing at a
customer, producing wafers.
1309
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:37,140
This for me was a moment I realized,
1310
00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:39,330
yes, we made the right bet.
1311
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:40,800
- [Casper] Years later, Jos ran into
1312
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,410
the man who helped
install the first machine.
1313
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:45,900
- He's now a professor
at a renowned institute.
1314
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,210
And I shared the story about my relief
1315
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:50,719
and how great we made the decision.
1316
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,810
(indistinct) said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
1317
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:54,630
He said, "When you left and
you flew out after Christmas,
1318
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:57,180
the thing broke down and it took
1319
00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:58,950
two months to get back up again.
1320
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:00,240
And they almost fired me
1321
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,100
for making the wrong decision."
1322
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,500
We had some ups and downs along the way.
1323
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,333
- [Casper] Yeah.
1324
00:51:05,333 --> 00:51:07,530
- But again, once I saw
the system installed
1325
00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:10,050
at a customer, in a customer fab,
1326
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:11,790
I knew we had done the right thing.
1327
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:12,720
This was 2010.
1328
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,820
The first phone that came out was 2019.
1329
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:17,160
So we still had some hurdles to resolve.
1330
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:17,993
- [Casper] Right.
1331
00:51:17,993 --> 00:51:18,826
- But we kept going.
1332
00:51:22,590 --> 00:51:24,330
- Now, I have spent several months
1333
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:27,169
working on this video
and thinking about it
1334
00:51:27,169 --> 00:51:30,120
and it still feels absolutely impossible.
1335
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,220
And the more I think about it,
1336
00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:35,250
the more I think, you know,
those people 40 years ago
1337
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:38,130
that said it was impossible,
they had a point.
1338
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:40,740
It's completely unreasonable to think
1339
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:43,050
that you could make this
artificial sun in a lab,
1340
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:44,310
that you could make these mirrors
1341
00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:45,330
that are this smooth
1342
00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:49,620
and that you could get the
required overlay accuracy.
1343
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:50,940
The reasonable thing is to think
1344
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:52,350
that none of that is possible
1345
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:55,290
and to point out all the
problems with each of them.
1346
00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:57,570
Which reminds me of this quote,
1347
00:51:57,570 --> 00:52:00,420
the reasonable man adapts
himself to the world.
1348
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:02,580
The unreasonable one persists
1349
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:05,340
in trying to adapt the world to himself.
1350
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:07,860
Therefore, all progress depends
1351
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:09,450
on the unreasonable man.
1352
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:12,810
Imagine if Andy and
Kinoshita and all the others
1353
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:14,400
had been reasonable,
1354
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,470
we would have none of this.
1355
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,510
In fact, imagine what
the world would be like
1356
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:21,180
if everyone on it was reasonable.
1357
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:23,220
It would probably be extremely boring.
1358
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:24,750
Probably most of the technology,
1359
00:52:24,750 --> 00:52:27,360
most of the things you
enjoy on a daily basis
1360
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,650
wouldn't be here.
1361
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:30,000
In fact, you probably wouldn't be
1362
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,200
watching this video,
1363
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,120
because just about all
the technology we have
1364
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,600
nowadays would seem
completely unreasonable
1365
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,030
even just 200 years ago.
1366
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:42,060
And so I really think
that to a large extent,
1367
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:45,090
we owe our lives to those
unreasonable people.
1368
00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:46,890
And maybe at least to me,
1369
00:52:46,890 --> 00:52:50,220
it's a reminder that it's good
to be a little unreasonable,
1370
00:52:50,220 --> 00:52:52,473
at least in some of the big parts of life.
1371
00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:58,710
Changing the world is difficult.
1372
00:52:58,710 --> 00:53:00,660
It took overcoming thousands of obstacles
1373
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:03,060
and over 30 years to get EUV to work.
1374
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:06,000
But big breakthroughs usually
start in the same way.
1375
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,570
That is, you learn, you
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1376
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:11,824
you try to apply them in some new ways,
1377
00:53:11,824 --> 00:53:13,230
and then you build skills to take on
1378
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:15,240
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