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In this business,
anyone can make mistakes.
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The scary thing is, in this case,
that mistake sends you to Heaven.
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That was it. Some accidents
did happen in the unit.
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There were few of them,
but they did happen.
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Concerning the freezing experiments...
they did take place.
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What for? To find a cure for
the Japanese army's soldiers.
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That's what it was for.
That's why they froze arms and legs.
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They had a polygon out in the open,
surrounded by a rather high mound.
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Inside there were scattered
erect metal poles.
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Subjects were tied to these poles,
and the bomb was placed in the center...
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00:43:57,032 --> 00:44:03,062
...which was detonated with
an electrical charge.
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The shrapnel would fly everywhere,
hitting all the subjects.
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00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:18,253
Of course, they were taken
back to the lab and observed...
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...how many got infected,
how badly, and so on...
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00:52:11,526 --> 00:52:21,636
Everything was based on scientific
methods there, because Isshi was
a microbiologist of the highest class.
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He had studied in Germany,
and eventually surpassed them.
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That's why he was interested
in very deep matters.
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How does man react,
react as an organism?
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00:52:36,685 --> 00:52:43,225
Why did Japanese medicine get such a boost
after the war and exceed everyone else?
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Because they had that
data in their hands.
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How this medicine affects a man,
not a cat, or dog, or monkey.
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00:52:52,634 --> 00:52:56,035
It makes a huge difference.
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01:03:16,557 --> 01:03:24,532
Official working hours were 9 am
to 6 pm, just like everywhere else.
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01:03:24,532 --> 01:03:34,175
But, due to the fact that Mr. Ishii
was a night-owl...
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01:03:34,175 --> 01:03:43,651
...he frequently held his assistants
very late before he let them go.
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01:03:43,651 --> 01:03:46,854
But they had to come back
at 9 in the morning.
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He came too, but he'd lock himself in his
study and sleep while they all worked!
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01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,018
One officer complained,
saying "he's a night owl..."
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01:04:17,018 --> 01:04:23,591
"He keeps us until late,
and then is back at nine..."
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01:04:23,591 --> 01:04:29,430
"...but then locks himself in his study,
ordering not to be disturbed for 3-4 hours!"
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01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:34,602
But who'd dare go to the general?
You had to be there working...
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...wither you'd had
enough sleep or not!
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01:13:32,906 --> 01:13:38,979
Look at what Americans are
forced to do these days...
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01:13:38,979 --> 01:13:45,752
The Japanese still hate Americans
for Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
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01:13:45,752 --> 01:13:48,922
...they don't even try
to conceal this hatred.
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01:13:48,922 --> 01:13:52,960
In order to help this situation,
Americans have...
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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:58,632
...in recent years, attempted to spread a
version of the story that said the...
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01:13:58,632 --> 01:14:03,103
...A-bomb was dropped at the request
of the Soviet Union...
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01:14:03,103 --> 01:14:06,595
...and no one believed them.
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01:14:48,849 --> 01:14:52,486
On the 9th of August
the war started...
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01:14:52,486 --> 01:15:01,562
Our army violated the pact
they had with Japan.
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01:15:01,562 --> 01:15:15,742
According to the pact we had the
legal right to attack them in
one year's time.
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01:15:15,742 --> 01:15:22,349
But we attacked in 1945...
that's not to our credit.
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We violated international law
without a lot of talking.
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01:33:55,861 --> 01:34:03,666
The Japanese usually have two
religions, Shinto and Buddhism.
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The burial ceremony is Buddhist,
the rest is the Shinto way.
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01:38:59,665 --> 01:39:05,437
Why didn't General Ishii
commit suicide?
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01:39:05,437 --> 01:39:10,709
As a real samurai,
he would have.
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01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:18,017
If our people had stopped the train,
he would have done it.
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01:39:18,017 --> 01:39:24,723
But they didn't stop it, so there was
no reason to commit suicide...
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01:39:24,723 --> 01:39:36,101
Someone resorts to suicide only
if there's no other way out...
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01:39:36,101 --> 01:39:43,342
He saw the way out and got away,
alive and with all his materials.
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01:39:43,342 --> 01:39:47,176
What would he commit harakiri for?
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01:39:47,780 --> 01:39:56,622
They boarded an ordinary train
meant to take refugees home.
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01:39:56,622 --> 01:40:05,697
Obviously the military men
changed into plain clothes.
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01:40:05,697 --> 01:40:09,568
There was no need for women
or children to change.
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01:40:09,568 --> 01:40:14,239
They took their records
and left quietly...
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01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:27,052
They got a green light all the way
to the end of the Pusan port...
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01:40:27,052 --> 01:40:32,724
...and when they got there,
a ship was waiting for them.
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01:40:32,724 --> 01:40:43,936
They got on, and I think
it was an American ship...
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01:40:43,936 --> 01:40:48,474
...because they took General Ishii
straight to America.
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01:40:48,474 --> 01:40:48,667
...because they took General Ishii
straight to America.
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01:41:24,676 --> 01:41:35,654
We could have had all that research
if our military wasn't so silly!
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All of Manchuria was taken over
by Russians at that point...
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01:41:40,826 --> 01:41:45,991
On the way to the
Pacific Ocean and Korea...
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01:41:46,999 --> 01:41:53,372
That train went the whole way from
Harbin disguised as one for refugees!
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01:41:53,372 --> 01:42:00,078
No one even checked that train
to see who and what was on board.
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01:42:00,078 --> 01:42:06,451
General Isshi was on board, with all of his
assistants and all of their documents.
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01:42:06,451 --> 01:42:09,821
They passed us by,
right before our eyes!
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01:42:09,821 --> 01:42:19,031
They calmly got aboard the ship,
and no one paid them any attention.
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01:42:19,031 --> 01:42:24,036
While en route to Japan...
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01:42:24,036 --> 01:42:45,224
...Ishii warned them that anyone who said
more than was allowed would be listed
among suicide victims.
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01:42:45,224 --> 01:42:57,369
Then the Americans got hold of all those
materials, and the general himself.
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01:42:57,369 --> 01:43:00,405
Perhaps the Americans
were expecting him...
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01:43:00,405 --> 01:43:11,883
But I know he managed to pass
everything to the Japanese first.
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Was it used for military purposes?
I doubt it...
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They obviously used them to
give their medicine a boost.
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01:43:58,030 --> 01:44:01,266
We didn't see any
open warfare in Harbin...
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01:44:01,266 --> 01:44:12,077
...because the Japanese surrendered
before the regular army got there.
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01:44:12,077 --> 01:44:17,416
First the MVD (Ministry of lnternal Affairs)
and MGB (Ministry for State Security) arrived...
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01:44:17,416 --> 01:44:26,658
...to pick up the records of the
so-called "Russian Emigrants Bureau".
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Those records were suspect,
so they got taken away.
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01:44:31,330 --> 01:44:44,971
The Japanese knew of their surrender,
and didn't take any offensive actions.
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01:45:11,737 --> 01:45:22,414
The Soviet consulate suggested we
work as interpreters in POW camps.
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01:45:22,414 --> 01:45:35,394
We had such a patriotic mood and
outlook back then that we helped our
homeland to recover after the war...
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01:45:35,394 --> 01:45:51,576
But when I got there I was viewed as
a Japanese agent sent to the USSR!
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01:45:51,576 --> 01:46:02,754
I had to prove that information wrong
with my fists on two officials...
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01:46:02,754 --> 01:46:07,959
...I smashed their faces, especially
the second man's, pretty badly.
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01:46:07,959 --> 01:46:10,829
He spent two weeks
in the hospital...
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01:46:10,829 --> 01:46:16,701
I told the head of the department
I'd simply kill the third one...
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01:46:16,701 --> 01:46:21,764
So he warned his officials
to be less talkative!
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I was a document translator in the
government safety department of Khabarovsk.
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01:46:33,752 --> 01:46:48,300
I understood Japanese writing, so I
worked on translating the Kwantung
army headquarters archive other translators.
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01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:56,808
We didn't translate just
anything, you know...
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01:46:56,808 --> 01:47:09,154
We didn't pay attention unless
something of interest came up.
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Our focus was on Biological
War Preparation and the like...
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01:47:17,629 --> 01:47:20,298
That was very interesting...
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01:47:20,298 --> 01:47:25,971
There were only two interpreters
familiar with medical terminology:
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The late Platon Platonovich Plyachenko,
and myself.
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01:47:32,677 --> 01:47:44,689
We had to put together a dictionary
so the other interpreters could use it.
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01:47:44,689 --> 01:47:56,568
They were divided into two groups,
and taught terminology for about two weeks.
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01:47:56,568 --> 01:48:04,376
Without understanding the terminology,
further research would have been redundant.
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They didn't understand a
thing on those papers...
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01:48:06,711 --> 01:48:14,419
To avoid mistakes, microbiology
experts were sent from Moscow.
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01:48:14,419 --> 01:48:20,959
They all had degrees as doctors of science,
and many of them were researchers.
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01:48:20,959 --> 01:48:31,036
An investigator, a microbiologist, a
prosecutor, an interpreter and the accused...
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01:48:31,036 --> 01:48:35,006
That was the team that
attended the process.
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01:48:35,006 --> 01:48:41,346
And no one could have questioned
them without special preparation...
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01:48:41,346 --> 01:48:46,217
...so Platon Platonovich and I
got more than our share of work!
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If there was any misunderstanding,
one of us was sent over immediately...
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"Make this clear, now!"
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01:48:53,258 --> 01:49:03,201
It was easy teaching a bacteriologist,
he'd grasp medical terminology fast.
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01:49:03,201 --> 01:49:07,272
Meanwhile a prosecutor had to
write down everything being said...
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01:49:07,272 --> 01:49:11,476
All the experts from Moscow
were very displeased...
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01:49:11,476 --> 01:49:18,917
Their research had been interrupted
because of some Japanese people...
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01:49:18,917 --> 01:49:24,889
But when the Japanese started talking,
the experts' eyes would suddenly widen...
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01:49:24,889 --> 01:49:29,361
"Oh, right, we were on the
verge of discovering that..."
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01:49:29,361 --> 01:49:35,166
But the Japanese had known
for several years then...
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01:49:35,166 --> 01:49:49,014
Generals were kept at a place called
Object 45, where Platon used to work.
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01:49:49,014 --> 01:49:54,986
They were generally kept in good
conditions over in POW Camp 16...
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01:49:54,986 --> 01:50:06,665
...the attitude towards prisoners, the food,
everything was exemplary for other camps.
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They were fed better than Soviet Army
soldiers, I know that for sure...
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Prisoners had a hospital set up
especially for them in Pereyaslavka.
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They were accepted into the hospital
for treatments, whatever the case may be.
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It even had an Ambulance service.
Prisoners were always in good shape.
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And how did interrogations go?
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01:50:46,838 --> 01:51:06,057
The interrogation would start at 9 am,
after two hours tea and biscuits were
served to everyone, including the
suspects.
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01:51:06,057 --> 01:51:11,062
After 10-15 minutes,
when everyone had their tea...
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01:51:11,062 --> 01:51:24,542
...waitresses would collect everything and
the interrogation would resume until 1
o'clock, when there would be a
lunch break until two.
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No other interrogation took place
in the evening, or any other time!
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The trial was held following
international rules and conventions.
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01:51:37,956 --> 01:51:44,162
The suspects wore their uniforms,
minus ranks of course.
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01:51:44,162 --> 01:51:50,401
Officers had on their jackets,
and privates wore their shirts.
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01:51:50,401 --> 01:52:03,681
There was only one other private there,
a co-student of Platon - and myself of course.
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01:52:03,681 --> 01:52:11,923
We knew he was receiving
financial support from the military...
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01:52:11,923 --> 01:52:21,499
But who was paying for him, and how?
We only knew his surname, Ozaki.
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01:52:21,499 --> 01:52:31,209
We only knew he was a student, and left to
get his money... who knows where he went?
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When he was found in one of the camps
he was brought to Platon and I...
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01:52:40,618 --> 01:52:43,288
He denied everything,
said he didn't know a thing...
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01:52:43,288 --> 01:52:47,392
But when he saw us his eyes
nearly popped out of his head!
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01:52:47,392 --> 01:52:54,098
He thought we worked for Soviet
intelligence while posing as students...
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01:52:54,098 --> 01:53:08,947
We were just Russian civilians, but when
he saw us, he started talking immediately!
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01:53:08,947 --> 01:53:14,886
As a rule General Yamada would say
that he didn't remember certain things.
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01:53:14,886 --> 01:53:19,691
When presented with a document
he had signed himself...
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01:53:19,691 --> 01:53:25,129
...he'd read it and then say:
"Oh yes, I remember now."
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01:53:25,129 --> 01:53:34,839
It can't be said that they were
sincere about their activities...
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01:53:34,839 --> 01:53:45,416
They admitted to things that could be
proven by documents, there was no way...
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01:53:45,416 --> 01:53:54,826
...of avoiding that, but they didn't
passionately share their discoveries...
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01:53:54,826 --> 01:53:59,764
I didn't work with the commander
of the Kwantung army much.
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01:53:59,764 --> 01:54:08,139
"Mr. Investigator" was a man about
33 years of age, 35 at the oldest.
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He was either a major or a colonel,
he was sent over as an investigator.
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01:54:13,611 --> 01:54:19,851
He was supposedly very capable,
very knowledgeable.
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01:54:19,851 --> 01:54:25,356
He asked Commander Yamada
all of these questions...
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01:54:25,356 --> 01:54:30,528
Commander Yamada answered:
"Perhaps it happened, I don't recall."
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01:54:30,528 --> 01:54:37,568
The investigator then asked if the
Commander's memory was weak.
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01:54:37,568 --> 01:54:44,776
He answered: "Please, ask
Mr. Investigator how old he is."
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01:54:44,776 --> 01:54:49,547
I'm not sure, I think he answered "35".
So I translated it for him.
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01:54:49,547 --> 01:54:56,220
"I'd like to see what his memory's
going to be like when he hits 70."
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01:54:56,220 --> 01:55:04,896
Again the investigator was displeased,
he wanted the commander to say "yes".
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01:55:04,896 --> 01:55:09,901
The investigator started to
swear quite exquisitely...
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01:55:09,901 --> 01:55:16,541
I asked him: 'Shall I translate?'
"Go on!" he said...
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01:55:16,541 --> 01:55:19,277
So I gave the commander
a literal translation...
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01:55:19,277 --> 01:55:29,420
He became thoughtful, chewing
his moustache, and then said:
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01:55:29,420 --> 01:55:42,533
"I'm 70 now, my mother is 92 or 91.
The sort of pleasure Mr. Prosecutor could
have with her isn't clear to me."
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01:55:42,533 --> 01:55:46,170
"Don't they have swear words? "
The investigator asked me.
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01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:47,472
'That's right, they don't.'
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01:55:47,472 --> 01:55:52,210
"Why didn't you warn me? "
'Why didn't you ask?' I answered.
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01:55:52,210 --> 01:56:01,686
He thought I'd address him
officially as "Sir", but I didn't.
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01:56:01,686 --> 01:56:10,895
Our government demanded this topic
be included in the Tokyo process...
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01:56:10,895 --> 01:56:23,875
It was attended by 5 great countries:
The USSR, USA, China, the UK, and France.
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01:56:23,875 --> 01:56:33,051
The Chinese said "It was all aimed at us,
and we don't think it's necessary to include it."
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01:56:33,051 --> 01:56:38,356
When we started the Americans asked,
"What's there to talk about?"
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01:56:38,356 --> 01:56:45,063
"Is there any evidence that bacteriological
weapons were used against you?"
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01:56:45,063 --> 01:56:49,667
'Well, no.'
"So why do you bother bringing it up?"
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01:56:49,667 --> 01:56:59,577
That was the tone of the conversation,
and consequentially this subject wasn't
covered in the Tokyo trial.
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01:56:59,577 --> 01:57:10,681
They only had one successful operation
against the Chinese dropping fleas... nothing else.
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01:57:45,923 --> 01:57:56,267
We had no right to prosecute any of those
Japanese people, because they'd done nothing
to us.
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01:57:56,267 --> 01:58:06,644
There are secret bacteriological laboratories
in the United States, even today...
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01:58:06,644 --> 01:58:14,418
...but we can't arrest the lab assistants
and say "You're plotting against Russia!"
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01:58:14,418 --> 01:58:20,691
You can plot all you like,
as long as you don't take action.
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01:58:20,691 --> 01:58:25,596
We had no right to prosecute them
because they weren't our citizens.
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01:58:25,596 --> 01:58:43,581
We can prosecute criminals who kill each
other or one of ours, as that's subject
to international jurisdiction.
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01:58:43,581 --> 01:58:51,289
Not a single correspondent was admitted...
You know how they pulled that off?
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01:58:51,289 --> 01:58:59,030
They announce the process begins today,
but the process actually started yesterday!
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01:58:59,030 --> 01:59:01,299
No one was admitted
into the process...
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01:59:01,299 --> 01:59:07,872
The correspondents would raise their
voices for sure, but none of them were
ever actually allowed in.
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That's the way it was handled!
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01:59:15,213 --> 01:59:27,058
Understand that if the process was kept
within regulations, crowds of
correspondents would have been invited.
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01:59:27,058 --> 01:59:30,261
To be honest,
it was a closed trial...
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01:59:30,261 --> 01:59:46,510
Only relatives of agents who worked
for the MVD, MGB, and the like
were admitted.
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When I worked for the MGB,
I left the MVD...
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...because so many Japanese had
already been sent back to Japan.
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I got my hands on documents that the
head of a POW camp wrote to his...
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02:00:07,632 --> 02:00:13,904
...supervisors, asking how to deal with
captured American officers...
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02:00:13,904 --> 02:00:20,745
...because they all considered
themselves to be on vacation.
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02:00:20,745 --> 02:00:30,921
I read it several times,
unsure if it was slang or what...
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02:00:30,921 --> 02:00:34,592
I went to the head
of the department...
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02:00:34,592 --> 02:00:39,497
He said "Think of it this way,
being captured is an excuse to take a break!"
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02:00:39,497 --> 02:00:48,005
"ln America, 50% of your normal salary
will be transferred to your bank account
for the duration of your capture."
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02:00:48,005 --> 02:00:50,408
He gave me an example:
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"They'd drop their bombs on Japan and then,
instead of traveling 4000 miles to Guam;"
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02:00:59,150 --> 02:01:06,891
"They'd head for Petopavlovsk, 1000 km
away and land at Eleninsky aerodrome."
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02:01:06,891 --> 02:01:15,366
"They'd be shipped back home about two
and a half years later, and all the while
money's going into their accounts."
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02:01:15,366 --> 02:01:21,238
But in certain camps
there was brutality.
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02:01:21,238 --> 02:01:26,277
An American might
be stripped naked and...
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02:01:26,277 --> 02:01:35,419
...if a Japanese guard used a sword,
he'd have a live practice subject.
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02:01:35,419 --> 02:01:36,420
That did happen...
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But no one would bother to drag them
to unit 731, as that was miles away.
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02:01:49,367 --> 02:01:54,134
There were more
than enough locals.
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In 1956, many Japanese people were
found guilty of killing each other in
POW camps.
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All the bacteriologists were dressed up
neatly and brought from Moscow to the
House of Officers here in Khabarovsk...
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...where they had a trial,
and then went back to Japan.
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It was when we were about to
give them back their islands.
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Those people were given back, but
the islands weren't... just in case.
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It was done with a very
long-term perspective.
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02:03:26,130 --> 02:03:38,008
When there was a Japanese exhibition in
Niigata in 1968, we were invited over
there because our cities were twinned.
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Many former Japanese POW's
attended that exhibition.
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They were interested less in the
exhibition itself than in seeing Russians.
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I remember one of them, who served
as a cook while in Russian prison...
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...and his friend remembered what a great time
they had. A Japanese man standing by
wondered...
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02:04:08,239 --> 02:04:15,012
"Was everything in the Soviet
camps really that nice?"
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02:04:15,012 --> 02:04:20,251
"What's so strange about it?
Many people were in it."
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"I was sent to the American camp.
I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy..."
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The Soviets had the
right attitude back then.
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In POW camp 16 there was a copy of
Stalin's order on display:
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"Intolerance towards physical abuse
of prisoners by acting officers."
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02:04:56,220 --> 02:05:08,032
If an officer was caught
fighting he was punished...
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...and only had a glass of water and
200 grams of bread, for 10 days.
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This food was served by
the soldier who got beaten up.
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After 10 days, the offender was sent to
solitary confinement in the officer's camp.
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There used to be a newspaper called
"Nihon Shimbun" for prisoners of war,
which was published in Khabarovsk.
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All such incidents were described
so all camp departments knew the situation.
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That made a good impression
on those who stayed there.
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