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that's it this is what they sent us and
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shut this craft bunch of cops standing
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around staring at each other with us Oh
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Frankie biggest murder story since LJ
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and we're shooting other crews
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that's good that's good keep that got
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the audio on that
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my captured like us
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okay what about the killer we got
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anything on the killer
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that's nice it's nice little ragged but
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keep that that's nice it's great
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okay now forward slowly I just okay
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slowly okay freeze it there beautiful
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zoom it man Jeff you're a genius what
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else you got she got it at me for that
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show okay back to the arrest
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she goes what about the body
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beloved husband
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good happier days Ernie thank a lot on
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that you want irony or tragic tragedy
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definitely haven't ready for a level
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wait
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a speculator might be today is jury
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selection which we will begin to give us
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a sense of the way that way
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and they say this thing's gonna last
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about a month a month in I have you know
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they get me in on that say you must have
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a fascinating life who can afford it
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past this one that's my point
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they left this one off for shooting a
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guy just cuz he's getting a little
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something on the side I'm gonna have to
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live in another country if he found her
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with a man and shot her that would be
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okay right
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well you got a look at what's involved
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right I'm trying to say is we shouldn't
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be talking oh yeah you heard anybody who
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hasn't talked about this in the last
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month that I have I understand but we
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might be selected for the jury
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I guess what you gotta ask yourself is
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what do you do if your husband was
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running around I'd do what she did in a
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short minute no I'd like to anyway you
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know something stop me hey more power to
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it oh I'll say that much what about you
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you'll never cheat on you never you know
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that yes I do
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how about you my husband's dead all
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right
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this is what they sent you saw you on TV
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in that one look good
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look it is is my wife with another man
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if I ever been with another woman look I
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don't tell this stuff to my face excuse
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me sir you want to just fill in the form
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please fill in the form this in yourself
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is personal will answer what you want to
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discuss the rest with the judge I'm
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going to talk to him boy this is between
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me and my wife okay you don't pay me
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enough for this kind of stuff we've got
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to take a long hard look at women
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married over ten years all our survey
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say that's where we're getting our best
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response probably wishing they'd done it
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themselves I suspect that's precisely
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what we're tapping into something else
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when we ask the same subjects to rate
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their marriage as one to ten at the
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extremes we correlate very well with a
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positive attitude toward our client well
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which extremes high or low both very
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good marriages very bad marriages
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interesting huh Wayne come on in just
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surveys this young ladies come up with
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some very interesting demographics carry
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on infidelity it gives us some very
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tricky correlations that could cut
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either way obviously the more we know
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about these people the better as soon as
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we start getting some names from the
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jury pool I want neighbors talk to
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beauticians and beauty parlors and
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teachers of their children's schools
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their husbands are running around
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Seminole know what about men on the jury
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the women jurors are gonna give us the
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most options so far um I haven't well we
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haven't been able to ice any man that
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doesn't want to see me hanged well
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locked up for the rest of your life but
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yeah that's the general picture
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is it alright if I sit here please lose
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it thank you
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the other thing that drives me crazy
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about jury duty forget all these people
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same room together and the one thing
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they have in common they can't talk
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about why don't we just go around the
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table and introduce ourselves
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my name is Fletcher Fletcher low I'm
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Naomi Budden no.1 James I'm Alice Bell
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uh I was wondering about was that in the
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newspaper this morning they said they
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might sequester us well I don't think
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they mean us I think it means the jury
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once they're selected uh I heard it
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might be that place down on South Street
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wait a second a hotel oh he's a good one
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if it's a problem for you I'm sure you
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could talk to somebody well how long are
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we gonna be here well all I know is if I
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get to stay in a hotel my wife's gonna
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kill me
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I haven't taken her anyplace in 10 years
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when I call your name please take your
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coats and all your belongings and
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precedes the door the officer there will
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take you to court
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Winston Barnes Alfred Choo Naomi Budden
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Alice Bell
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look at number don't stare
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there's a fair likelihood when this
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trial commences that the jury will be
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sequestered our best estimate at this
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time is that the trial will take about a
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month so I need a show of hands from
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those of you for whom this could prove
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to be an undue burden
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the evidence may show that the
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defendant's husband was having an affair
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would this affect your decision whether
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she was guilty or not guilty of murder
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mr. Weber no North tech if a man cheats
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on his wife do you think that justifies
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her killing him yes button no no I
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wouldn't
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mrs. Bell his marital fidelity important
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to you yes it is so that if a man
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cheated on his wife something happened
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you might say that he had it coming I
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wouldn't say so now juror number eight
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college student very timid has trouble
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making up her mind impressionable you're
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saying bump her tough calls she seems to
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take her cue from the woman in a
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two-seat who's an interesting case tell
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Isabel I don't give that much of a damn
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about interesting what I'm saying is if
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we get the one we get the other she
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makes me nervous I like the way she
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looked at me I trust her
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how many of you have watched when
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AdWords show on television did you form
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an opinion what she's like
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mrs. Carlucci I think she's terrific I
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would consider it a privilege to serve
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on without words jury did you form an
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opinion miss vinaigrette no not really
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mr. Lowe well she seems kind of smart I
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guess so you like her well III don't
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usually watch that kind of show
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sometimes it just comes on you want to
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accept number three are you kidding
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she kept looking at the defense table I
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thought she was gonna ask if she could
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take that with home with her what about
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number seven snapped off her answers she
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seems solid she's great
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guaranteed they'll throw her off I'm not
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sure about the black guy number nine not
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kicking any men off this jury why not
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mr. James have you read about this case
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yeah no well that's alright we're not
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contesting the fact that mrs. Attwood
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shot her husband in fact it was mrs.
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Atwood who calls the police
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Your Honor is he testifying yes ask a
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question mr. Franciscus and mr. James
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the circumstances under which the
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shooting occurred and the state of mind
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of miss Atwood at the time are essential
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elements in determining whether it's
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first-degree murder second-degree murder
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or manslaughter
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now will you be able to follow the
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courts instructions on that I'll try but
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basically you think murder is murder
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pretty much yeah so if the judge
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instruct already said he would try to
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follow the courts instructions your
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honor approach
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I guess I gave him something to think
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about him don't say how the bias could
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be clearer your honor he said he could
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follow the court's orders he knows how
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to answer the question that's all I mean
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it's the Francis coz nothing precludes a
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juror from having opinions as long as
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they're not fixed opinions murder is
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murder it sounds fixed to me you keep
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your voice down he said he would follow
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the courts instructions raise your right
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do you and each of you solemnly swear
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that you will well and truly try the
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cause now pending before this court and
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render it true and just verdict therein
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according to the evidence and
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instructions of the court so help you
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let me tell you what this is and what
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this isn't this is a murder trial and we
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the prosecution have to prove to you
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that on May 18th when at would the
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defendant sitting right over there shot
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and killed
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Gregory Toland the man to whom she was
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married for 10 years
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the evidence will show that when at word
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premeditated this murder she made a plan
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she went ahead with this plan and she
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knew what she was doing the law
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recognizes that even in the taking of
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life there are degrees to a crime one of
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the sacred foundations our system of
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justice is the principle before we can
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decide what punishment an act deserves
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we must attempt to learn what was in the
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mind person who committed that act
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you're gonna hear testimony about
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Gregory Donald
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about how little he cared for his
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marriage vows he dismantled her
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self-esteem he cut her off from her
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family
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he threatened humiliated and physically
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degraded her Gregory Toland isn't on
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trial here
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when Atwood is Gregory tow pull that
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trigger he's sold and he reaped it's
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about murder premeditated cold-blooded
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first-degree murder
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and when you've all heard the evidence I
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promise you you will know beyond any
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doubt that when Atwood cannot be
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convicted of murder
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in non-technical terms it means a single
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bullet penetrated the cheekbone just
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below the left eye and entered the brain
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where it produced massive and fatal
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damage what death have been
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instantaneous or instantaneous yes and
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did the bullet that killed Gregory
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Toland come from this unregistered
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handgun that the police took from the
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defendant state's exhibit 11 yes it did
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she was standing with a uniformed
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officer she approached me when I entered
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the room she said my name is win Atwood
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I shot my husband he's right in there in
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their bedroom he was in the bed naked
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dead oh yeah
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naked in debt was there anyone else
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present in the apartment
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besides the defendant there was another
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white female her name was Jane Carlyle
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this was her apartment what was she
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doing here sitting on the sofa she
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appeared to be crying did the defendant
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appear to be crying Oh ma'am she
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appeared calm and would you say that you
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and the defendant were close friends we
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were very close friends so she confided
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in you oh yes did she ever talk to you
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about her marriage all the time what did
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she tell you objection hearsay I've been
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having an affair for years
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there's Donatella when you hear an
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objection don't answer the question and
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live ruled and this is hearsay miss
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Bosco I'm not offering this for the
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truth of it just to show the defendants
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state of mind all right
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witnesses answer will stand but the jury
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will not consider this statement in
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determining the truth of whether or not
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mr. Tolin was having an affair but only
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in determining whether or not such a
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statement was made to the witness by
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defendant when the defendant told you
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about her husband's infidelity which
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time so she brought the subject up more
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than once
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lots of times did you ever offer her any
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advice at these times she didn't ask for
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it but I gave it I told her she should
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divorce them and what if anything was
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the defendants response to this she said
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she wasn't gonna let him and his bimbo
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girlfriend walk away with her for money
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I'm correct and stating that you
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consider yourself a friend of when at
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work yes I do
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does testifying against such a good
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friend bother you at all I didn't
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volunteer to do this mister Franciscus I
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was subpoenaed and were you subpoenaed
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when you gave this interview for next
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week's edition of inside look magazine
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how much were you paid for this
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interview mrs. Donatello answer the
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question please
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I I believe it was ten thousand dollars
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buy a lot of new friends for that
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objection wrong all I'm saying is when
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you get that kind of money for your
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story you tell them what they want to
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hear come on you know you're not
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supposed to be discussing those like I
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wasn't discussing testimony this is
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testimony no it isn't all I said was if
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somebody sells a story doesn't mean
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they're gonna lie I don't think so a
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minute never mind about that lady in
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there what I want to know are they gonna
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give us that kind of money for our
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stories well they might but does it mean
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you're gonna lie so what do you say
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you're gonna concentrate on making money
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instead of a fair verdict is that it did
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I say that did I say anything like hello
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can we please just chill out so we can
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get out of here thank you
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we had all those police bank guys and
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you know the thief Reznick experts you
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know being a a doorman doesn't give you
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much expertise is that what you are
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doesn't that get boring well it's a job
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you know magnet crazy
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the wife's begun hearing intruders
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window five to ten years miss Belle you
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can make your call now really you did
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all eight this is a wonderful sweetheart
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yeah well listen we'll think of
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something really special to do when I
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get back okay oh we did
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Lorraine Bart did you wear your life
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jacket no no I can't
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this is something I just have to do I'll
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call you every day
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you take the care of daddy for me okay
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well if you have to go hey god I love
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you
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Scala when you started your relationship
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with Gregory Tolan did you know that he
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was married yes I did but you continued
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the relationship anyway it was mutual
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he'd been happily married I don't
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imagine that would have happened did you
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ever discuss marriage with Gregory told
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him yes he your honor we're getting into
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a delicate area here she had the
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conversations there's nothing improper
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about that counsel knows what I'm
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talking about we have to discuss this is
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there an objection I don't hear any
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grounds how about probative inflammatory
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hearsay you want an objection I'll give
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you a dozen all right all right
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bailiff we'll take a 10-minute recess
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this stuff gets me I mean what's going
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on that stuff secret honey if he's
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talking to his girlfriend about getting
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married then you've got to believe that
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he's talking to his wife about getting a
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divorce you're trying to suggest that
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the man wanted to get out of the
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marriage unless I misunderstood your
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opening statement aren't you alleging
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that's why she killed him exactly which
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is why I knew why you can't permit it
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your honor and we're gonna hardly
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cross-examine the deceased on whether
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these conversations took place or not
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Cameron your client should have thought
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of that before she killed them man
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Franciscus is going to win this round no
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way that lady lawyer isn't gonna let him
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get away with nothing I bet you 50 bucks
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first question back ain't about marriage
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you are on huh what yes miss Carlyle I'm
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gonna take you back to the night of the
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murder in your own words please tell us
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what happened well Gregg had already
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gone to bed I was just coming out of the
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bathroom when the doorbell rang I
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answered the door and it was his wife
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the defendant yes the defendant
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we're not wood did you know her I know
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who she was
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we never met please continue she came in
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I didn't even get a chance to say
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anything Greg called
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she pushed past me and headed for the
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bedroom I ran after her I told her to
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leave she didn't stop
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she got to the bedroom door and I was
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writing back of her
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I never even saw her take out the gun
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maybe she had an array in the whole time
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are you alright fine
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Gregg was just getting out of bed I
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guess because of the commotion I could
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see him I could see his face he saw her
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and he met the same gun at the same time
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he put his hands up he tried to duck it
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happened so fast she shot him in the
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face did miss Atwood say anything at the
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time she said relax I was going to kill
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you too but I won't
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[Music]
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and then she went to the phone and she
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called the police
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yeah yeah nice lady oppan I heard that a
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nobody was talking to you I don't care
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who you're talking to I want to hear it
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again
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no just because you got a problem don't
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mean you can jump on me for it why don't
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you just both sit down we have a long
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way to go in time everyone will get a
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chance to talk you just piss because
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it's so damn clear that your pretty
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little lady's a stone killer and you're
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just gonna take the word of her
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husband's girlfriend all right that's
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enough
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[Music]
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all right everyone out don't finish your
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lot somewhere else that was bad very bad
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she was mighty convincing with the jury
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about your husband wanting out of the
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marriage what do you expect her to say
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of course she's going to say something
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like that how do you listen to me very
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carefully
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I'm not going to ask you anything now
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but once you take the stand I will help
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to help your answer who let the jury
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know that if your husband ever talked to
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that woman about marriage he was lying
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he didn't want the divorce you did how
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is that clear
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yes
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[Music]
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[Music]
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you're an attorney specializing in the
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field of divorce is that so mr. Rogers
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yes I am may I approach this is defense
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14 for identification Your Honor do you
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recognize this volume it's my
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appointment calendar directing your
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attention to the afternoon of August
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11th could you tell us what your two
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o'clock appointment was I had an
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appointment with Wynn Atwood and did
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mrs. Atwood keep that appointment
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yes she did no further questions your
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witness mr. Otis when you saw the
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defendant did she ask you what a divorce
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settlement would cost her Your Honor I
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respectfully decline to answer that
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question on the grounds of
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attorney-client privilege your honor
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I was very careful not to break that
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privilege runner mr. Francis does he is
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your witness only to effect that she
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consulted an attorney the state thinks
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she didn't they can cross-examine on
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that don't be absurd we moved to strike
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all this man's testimony once I'm
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inclined to agree with you
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for technical reasons you are not to
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concern yourselves with or speculate
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about the testimony of mr. Otis which
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has been stricken from the record there
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are many forms of abuse I don't believe
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that physical abuse is either the most
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prevalent or the most destructive did
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you in your professional capacity
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examine when at word I conducted
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numerous therapeutic interviews over the
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last six months at the County Jail I
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also administered a battery of tests did
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you reach a conclusion a diagnosis yes
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mrs. Atwood is unmistakeably a victim of
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severe and chronic abuse and would this
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abuse she experienced have affected her
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ability to form rational judgments of to
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make premeditated decisions yes
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completely this woman was so weakened
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she couldn't plan anything let alone
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make any judgment that we would call
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rational in moments of stress she would
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be in a state of atomic ism like a
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sleepwalker dr. Susan Trueblood who's
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the chief theorist in the field has
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pointed out that survivors of life abuse
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closely resembles psychologically
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survivors of prison camps
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dr. Quintero what is your fee to testify
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today for the defense my standard fee
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twenty five hundred dollars a day and on
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how many occasions have you testified in
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a court of law on issues of
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psychological abuse maybe 15 15 20 times
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always for the defense well that's
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because he's answered the question
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doctor yes for the defense
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the defendant looks very together
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wouldn't you say
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I don't think that I would use those
554
00:30:51,809 --> 00:30:56,999
words but yes she puts up a good front
555
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:59,009
dr. Quintero this front included hosting
556
00:30:56,999 --> 00:31:00,809
a television show in front of millions
557
00:30:59,009 --> 00:31:02,999
of people every day wouldn't you say
558
00:31:00,809 --> 00:31:03,770
that it's hard to believe that a woman
559
00:31:02,999 --> 00:31:05,760
who could do that
560
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[Applause]
561
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,470
[Music]
562
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120
that's been playing the bull houses
563
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:12,620
since it first opened people have been
564
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,659
lining up this morning since 6 o'clock
565
00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:22,790
for a chance to get into the courtroom
566
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:25,310
today you dressed what your client
567
00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:28,460
understands even when your client is win
568
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:30,860
at least Freddy Franciscus doesn't have
569
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:33,290
any choice to beat the murder charge he
570
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:35,929
has to get the jury to see it from her
571
00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:38,659
point of view right now that looks tough
572
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:44,210
but who knows Bob she may have some deep
573
00:31:38,660 --> 00:31:49,520
dark secrets to reveal it's better be
574
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:50,900
good mateys you solemnly swear that the
575
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,550
testimony you're about to give will be
576
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,080
the truth the whole truth and nothing
577
00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:56,649
but the truth so help you God
578
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,649
it did
579
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:06,760
would you say you were happily married
580
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:12,920
in the beginning we were in love and
581
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:15,679
what happened to change that my career
582
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,030
took off his floundered he was an
583
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:23,260
architect but he couldn't make it work
584
00:32:19,030 --> 00:32:23,260
he had to close his firm
585
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:31,290
my show got an Emmy he started making
586
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:34,449
jokes about being mr. Atwoods
587
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:38,440
and then I found out he was having an
588
00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:41,230
affair how did you find out I saw him
589
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,420
out with a girl at first he denied
590
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:49,060
everything even that he was there and
591
00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:51,990
then he just blew up it was like an
592
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:57,429
eruption he screamed at me for hours
593
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:59,640
about the show and our sex life and then
594
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:59,640
what
595
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:08,380
he said that I was frigid and that I had
596
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:12,039
been from the start and that he didn't
597
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:14,230
holding his feelings in forever and then
598
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:16,690
he threw me down the bed and we had sex
599
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:21,190
did you consent to this he was my
600
00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:25,389
husband I suppose I would have he was
601
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:31,360
very very upset you did consent I wasn't
602
00:33:25,389 --> 00:33:36,490
asked after this incident did relations
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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:42,250
with your husband change please you must
604
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:46,860
answer for the record yes in what way it
605
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:46,860
was like that from that on all the time
606
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:53,080
I had to go away we did the show from
607
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,360
London for a month
608
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:59,899
one night I called home and a woman
609
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:02,629
answered the phone our times this here
610
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:05,240
was back to in the morning a 2:00 in the
611
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:09,440
morning a woman answered the telephone
612
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:12,940
in your house in the bedroom was private
613
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,940
number there's no extension on that line
614
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:19,020
she put Greg on the phone he was
615
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,730
laughing
616
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:25,079
laughing
617
00:34:21,730 --> 00:34:27,040
I said he had to stop seeing other women
618
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:31,500
and that we should see a marriage
619
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:35,529
counselor what was his reaction to that
620
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:38,320
he locked me in the bedroom he made me
621
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:41,710
call the studio and say I was sick he
622
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:46,780
took out the phone he kept me there for
623
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:51,190
a week he brought other women to the
624
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:55,740
house and he made me watch while they
625
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:55,740
had sex and then he
626
00:34:55,870 --> 00:35:00,839
he made me have sex with him together
627
00:35:04,850 --> 00:35:11,299
if my mother called or my sister he'd
628
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,540
stand it over me until I hung up the
629
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:17,120
phone and then he'd yell at me about
630
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:18,500
them he said I was too close to my
631
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,420
family I couldn't have anything to do
632
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:28,220
with him that they disturbed me too much
633
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:33,500
and did you obey Him yes eventually I
634
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:36,009
lost all contact with them and he became
635
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,010
quite alone
636
00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:40,510
and you never considered a divorce yes I
637
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,450
did
638
00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:44,410
by then I just wanted to get away I went
639
00:35:43,450 --> 00:35:46,390
to see a lawyer
640
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:51,460
were you able to discuss this with your
641
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:54,520
husband yes I got up my courage and I
642
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:58,329
told him I wanted to divorce and what
643
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:02,349
did he say he didn't say anything he
644
00:35:58,329 --> 00:36:06,430
left and when he came back he had a gun
645
00:36:02,349 --> 00:36:08,559
I never brought it up again
646
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:11,859
so you were no longer having sexual
647
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:14,349
relations not often he moved out of the
648
00:36:11,859 --> 00:36:17,799
bedroom he was sleeping guest room when
649
00:36:14,349 --> 00:36:20,819
he was at home sometimes that wake up
650
00:36:17,799 --> 00:36:23,170
and they'd be on top of me we'd have sex
651
00:36:20,819 --> 00:36:25,720
and when he was finished you tell me how
652
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:31,150
much better Jane Carla was than me and
653
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:33,730
how could I expect a woman my age to
654
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:36,279
make him feel anything and then what
655
00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:39,130
would happen and then they'd go into one
656
00:36:36,279 --> 00:36:41,619
of us all-night rages except now it was
657
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:44,829
changing he started saying he couldn't
658
00:36:41,619 --> 00:36:47,950
fight off the urge to kill me he began
659
00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:48,490
telling me that we couldn't go on like
660
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:52,569
this
661
00:36:48,490 --> 00:36:56,669
that it wasn't a stable situation that's
662
00:36:52,569 --> 00:36:56,670
what he said a stable situation
663
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:08,450
and what did you take that to mean that
664
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:12,860
he was gonna kill me yeah one night I
665
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:12,859
couldn't stand being afraid anymore
666
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:23,490
so you'll know where you were going yes
667
00:37:21,150 --> 00:37:25,140
I found out where she lived so it's true
668
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:28,169
you went there with the intention to
669
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:29,700
kill your husband no not at all well why
670
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:32,099
else would you bring a loaded gun I
671
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:35,779
don't know I just you just went there
672
00:37:32,099 --> 00:37:40,109
with it on a whim I didn't think I
673
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:43,589
hadn't slept for a week I remember I
674
00:37:40,109 --> 00:37:46,290
went to my closet and I got the gun out
675
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:49,589
to use it isn't that true I probably
676
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:54,180
felt that if I got the gun it would make
677
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:55,890
him understand that I meant it that he
678
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:59,549
had to let me go that this could not go
679
00:37:55,890 --> 00:38:01,980
on that had had to stop or you would
680
00:37:59,550 --> 00:38:07,190
stop it by killing him no I never wanted
681
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:12,580
to kill him it just happened
682
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:12,580
it just happened yes
683
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:23,160
I got to the door and she opened the
684
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:28,230
door and I was shaking there was as if I
685
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:31,970
was outside my body watching it or more
686
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:31,970
like my body was moving without me
687
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:38,750
I followed his voice and then I saw
688
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:42,290
he was in her bed
689
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:49,360
[Music]
690
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:49,360
and he was he was very surprised
691
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,400
and he was left
692
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:58,029
and then I heard this exposure
693
00:39:17,050 --> 00:39:20,209
[Music]
694
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:26,960
you want to take a break miss applet now
695
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:28,839
I'm sorry
696
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:33,120
[Music]
697
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,120
if the gun went off and he was dead
698
00:39:37,640 --> 00:40:02,460
[Music]
699
00:39:59,510 --> 00:40:04,770
if you need anything have your Foreman
700
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:07,200
put it in writing some will be just
701
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:15,729
outside the door for as long as it takes
702
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:15,729
[Music]
703
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:30,800
it's okay unless you get right I mean
704
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:32,000
there's no particular who is our Foreman
705
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920
for person
706
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,270
the judge said we're supposed to elect
707
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,710
someone who wants to bother with it
708
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:39,259
let's just make it the dude in the
709
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:41,000
number one chair yeah that's you pal you
710
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:42,980
know it's gonna come in handy that's not
711
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,080
how you elect someone all right so I
712
00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:47,090
nominate uh Carl there what's his name
713
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,040
in the first chair hey second that this
714
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:50,990
is ridiculous this is something we
715
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,029
should talk about so you can elect some
716
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:55,520
lady that was crying in there when she
717
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:56,240
was understand no way Sisson about men
718
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,150
against women
719
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:01,279
I think barrel has a point I think Alice
720
00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:02,810
should be foreperson or barrel are you
721
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,670
kidding she had her mind made up before
722
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:07,279
this thing even started I don't see what
723
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:08,030
gives you the right mr. Ramos that's
724
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,200
uncalled for
725
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:14,030
all right man I'm sorry to her yeah I'm
726
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,339
sorry I think we're gonna have enough to
727
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:17,690
argue about why don't we just let mr.
728
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:18,950
Weber be Foreman I mean he's in the
729
00:41:17,690 --> 00:41:21,500
first chair and then I won't be a
730
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:23,750
victory for anyone I won't fight it but
731
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:26,840
if he can't let's just cross that bridge
732
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:29,390
and we get to it come on let's all sit
733
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,340
down I don't know why I'm saying this
734
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:34,210
sorry mr. Weber your purse and carry on
735
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:36,800
all right well that's a good idea
736
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:40,050
let's do it mrs. Bell says and everybody
737
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,360
um sir
738
00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:45,330
it is imperative that we follow the
739
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,000
judges instructions therefore not guilty
740
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:50,880
is not an option since the defendant
741
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,920
admitted to the shooting we have to find
742
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,270
a guilty of something you better believe
743
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,370
it I think we should be orderly Carl and
744
00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:01,590
I suggest that if someone has something
745
00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:02,790
to say they should raise her well that's
746
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:04,980
a good idea and I think we should do
747
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:06,630
that all right
748
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:09,200
according to the judges instructions
749
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:11,250
then our choices would be between
750
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,379
first-degree murder second-degree murder
751
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:15,420
and voluntary manslaughter manslaughter
752
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:16,530
that's like nothing she'd probably get
753
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:19,950
off with time served
754
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:21,810
excuse me ieave yeah look she's been in
755
00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:23,279
the joint almost a year right they gave
756
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:24,690
her two years you take off the good time
757
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,090
in a month or two she's gonna walk right
758
00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:28,350
out of there
759
00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:29,820
we're pretty saying wait a minute
760
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:31,620
according to the judge we are not
761
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,300
supposed to consider this thing hey come
762
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:36,240
on that's what this is all about either
763
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:37,830
the lady does sometime or she walks okay
764
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:41,750
they didn't go for lethal injection
765
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:41,750
that's the only question there is here
766
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:51,659
[Music]
767
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,269
no we said no raising our hands would be
768
00:42:55,049 --> 00:42:59,339
the thing I think the secret ballot we
769
00:42:57,269 --> 00:43:01,049
should abandon that it's a waste of
770
00:42:59,339 --> 00:43:02,729
paper everybody's gonna have to really
771
00:43:01,049 --> 00:43:04,140
say what they think at some point we
772
00:43:02,729 --> 00:43:07,229
might as well start that right now I
773
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:10,109
think we'll go around the table you look
774
00:43:07,229 --> 00:43:14,489
at a problem with that mrs. Bell would
775
00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:21,930
you be good enough to start us on well
776
00:43:14,489 --> 00:43:24,509
um I don't think it was first-degree
777
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:27,629
murder because I don't think that the
778
00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:29,940
state proved that she premeditated her
779
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:32,549
intent to kill him and when she bring
780
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:36,119
the gun for then to turn the hedges
781
00:43:32,549 --> 00:43:38,309
sister in I think she was pushed beyond
782
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:40,170
a breaking point and by the night of the
783
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:48,509
shooting she wasn't capable of forming
784
00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:50,789
any meaningful intent so I I would say
785
00:43:48,509 --> 00:43:51,349
it's manslaughter that's exactly the
786
00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:56,700
point
787
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:59,489
manslaughter not guilty what what is
788
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:01,649
this no no baby not guilty is not an
789
00:43:59,489 --> 00:44:03,569
option we covered that already we don't
790
00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,789
have to obey the judge's instructions we
791
00:44:03,569 --> 00:44:09,089
can follow our conscience that's not
792
00:44:05,789 --> 00:44:11,940
true we took an oath according to the
793
00:44:09,089 --> 00:44:14,009
evidence and the instructions of the
794
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:16,019
court it also said a true and just
795
00:44:14,009 --> 00:44:18,690
verdict those might not be the same and
796
00:44:16,019 --> 00:44:20,339
who decides that I'm sorry I have to
797
00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:22,979
agree with horse we got to do what the
798
00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:25,589
judge said a jury can do whatever it
799
00:44:22,979 --> 00:44:28,259
wants its called jury nullification oh
800
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:30,719
she's a lawyer I'm not a lawyer sure as
801
00:44:28,259 --> 00:44:33,150
hell ain't no judge not even a judge can
802
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,829
overturn our verdict come on why do you
803
00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:35,999
think they gave us that power and what
804
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:40,079
we're gonna say that she didn't do
805
00:44:35,999 --> 00:44:42,089
nothing mr. Ramos are you saying that we
806
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,710
can say that she didn't do nothing I'm
807
00:44:42,089 --> 00:44:45,779
just pointing out that the judge does
808
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:48,180
not tell us everything I don't think
809
00:44:45,779 --> 00:44:50,670
that we should be talking about this now
810
00:44:48,180 --> 00:44:54,029
why not because we may get to a point
811
00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:56,800
where it never even matters let's just
812
00:44:54,029 --> 00:45:00,960
see where we stand first
813
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,960
exactly let's get back to the vote oh
814
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:04,740
wait that's true
815
00:45:08,099 --> 00:45:17,009
well I kinda think what Alice said
816
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:18,839
before was right so manslaughter
817
00:45:17,009 --> 00:45:20,670
that's right manslaughter there was no
818
00:45:18,839 --> 00:45:22,769
intent not like somebody planning
819
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:24,690
something all right well I I'm the
820
00:45:22,769 --> 00:45:28,919
foreman I'm going to abstain plus I have
821
00:45:24,690 --> 00:45:30,239
made up my mind um mr. wolf well I just
822
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,150
hope this doesn't come down to a
823
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,089
boy-girl thing because move a dozen hi I
824
00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:42,199
kind of agree with some women
825
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:44,519
manslaughter manslaughter we all crazy
826
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,779
she didn't plan nothing and she put one
827
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:52,078
right between his eyes
828
00:45:45,779 --> 00:45:55,579
it's murder one no two ways I don't know
829
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:58,729
if things were as simple as Rafael says
830
00:45:55,579 --> 00:46:01,140
there may be it's second degree murder
831
00:45:58,729 --> 00:46:04,218
second degree how could be second degree
832
00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:07,650
hearing I'm sure it was premeditated I
833
00:46:04,219 --> 00:46:11,849
don't know I'm just not comfortable with
834
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:13,039
first but it is murder that's what I'm
835
00:46:11,849 --> 00:46:21,859
saying
836
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:26,509
it's a second yeah I think it's sorry I
837
00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:26,509
think it's immense lot
838
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:34,910
well I guess is my time like Carl I'm
839
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:38,460
not decided I am fairly certain that
840
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:44,160
it's not murder one oh god man these
841
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:46,290
ladies are dead but I'm pretty certain
842
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,399
that it could be murdered too but if I
843
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:53,910
had to vote right now
844
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:55,200
I couldn't vote for manslaughter so
845
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:57,660
where does that leave us
846
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,140
what's all that second we have one for
847
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:04,200
outright acquittal seven for
848
00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:08,308
manslaughter one for first-degree two
849
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:11,210
per second and one undecided so what do
850
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:11,210
we do now mr. Weber
851
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:23,350
try to understand the issue this isn't
852
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:26,470
an issue it's a murder that's the whole
853
00:47:23,350 --> 00:47:28,360
point it isn't you have to understand no
854
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:29,980
we don't have to understand nothing the
855
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,990
only thing we have to understand are the
856
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:33,670
facts I know it must be hard for you but
857
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:36,100
if you put yourself in her shoes
858
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:37,120
nobody's shopping for shoes here that's
859
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:40,120
pretty cool man
860
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,680
shopping for shoes don't be so strict
861
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:45,819
right it's all right
862
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:48,460
no it's not all right you're so smug and
863
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:50,050
superior we have to at least make an
864
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:52,330
effort to understand her state of mind
865
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:53,830
hey I don't give a damn about her state
866
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:56,259
of mind the only thing we're supposed to
867
00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:59,380
understand are the facts that's a sort
868
00:47:56,260 --> 00:48:01,140
of myopic idiocy I expect from him but
869
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:04,600
you could show a little more initiative
870
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:07,109
excuse me Farrell can I talk to you over
871
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,110
here for a minute
872
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:16,639
[Music]
873
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:20,940
you know when you talk to them like that
874
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:23,040
you only make them dig their heels in
875
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:28,680
deeper they're already dug in over their
876
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:30,029
heads are you gonna change it do you
877
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,149
really think that you can get through to
878
00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:34,230
Raphael by talking to him like that
879
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:38,329
he'll come around when Horace and Noland
880
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:40,559
do you know what tough guys are like
881
00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:45,089
it's not all write them over they're
882
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:49,619
talking by themselves about that I think
883
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:52,680
maybe we should have a smoking policy in
884
00:48:49,619 --> 00:48:58,170
place she's right and the way the judge
885
00:48:52,680 --> 00:49:01,169
explained the difference in the charges
886
00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:04,680
is in her frame of mind oh man don't you
887
00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:06,079
start that too I don't agree with him
888
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,879
that's not what I'm saying
889
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:10,619
but we have to examine what she was
890
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,990
thinking it's exactly what the defense
891
00:49:10,619 --> 00:49:15,300
wants you to do they want you to forget
892
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:18,598
the facts yeah you know what they all
893
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:20,250
think they're abused now if we let this
894
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:24,690
one get away with it they're all gonna
895
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:25,490
have guns is that what you want is that
896
00:49:24,690 --> 00:49:30,770
what this is about
897
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:30,770
hmm keeping our women in line
898
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,970
isn't it
899
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:45,819
we're just wasting time people she went
900
00:49:43,569 --> 00:49:46,599
in there she killed him and that's
901
00:49:45,819 --> 00:49:48,819
murderer
902
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:52,690
killing isn't necessarily murder don't
903
00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:54,279
win your Nobel Peace Prize there okay no
904
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:56,829
one takes that coffee pot things it hits
905
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,270
me in the head I die that's murder not
906
00:49:56,829 --> 00:50:01,390
if you've provoked her so badly it
907
00:49:58,270 --> 00:50:02,859
drives her nuts and everyone else she
908
00:50:01,390 --> 00:50:04,480
can't stand any more she picks up the
909
00:50:02,859 --> 00:50:06,009
coffeepot she hits you over the head and
910
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,230
it accidentally kills you
911
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:09,520
that's manslaughter she should just make
912
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:12,819
him drink it that would do it
913
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:15,400
listen Nolan like this morning at
914
00:50:12,819 --> 00:50:17,170
breakfast she decided that first chance
915
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,750
she got you alone beat you to death with
916
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:22,660
a coffee pot don't you get it that's
917
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:25,180
what state of mind means okay but you
918
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:26,649
can't ever know that what she meant to
919
00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:33,270
do but it sounds as though you agreed
920
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:36,490
that her state of mind is important yeah
921
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:38,050
well great now you all right we want to
922
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:40,810
know what a state of mind was right
923
00:50:38,050 --> 00:50:44,740
so let's reconstruct what happened from
924
00:50:40,810 --> 00:50:46,990
her point of view and what we're gonna
925
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:49,379
get in touch with our inner feelings we
926
00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:52,839
should get the floor plans the gun
927
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:55,720
everything okay it's the night of the
928
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:57,400
crime she's getting ready for bed she's
929
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,259
just had a shower so she's coming out of
930
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,750
the bathroom I'm trying not to think
931
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:04,869
about him okay about where he is oh man
932
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:08,619
this is so lame no it's not shut up I'm
933
00:51:04,869 --> 00:51:14,910
thinking I'm all alone she looks in the
934
00:51:08,619 --> 00:51:17,230
closet she's got this nice nightgown
935
00:51:14,910 --> 00:51:19,990
only what if he comes home and sees her
936
00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:22,240
in it that could set him off she's
937
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:24,700
thinking how he makes her hate being
938
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,640
pretty you're making this all up he's
939
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:30,779
got nothing to do with it yes it does
940
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:34,450
keep going and then she suddenly knows
941
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:36,640
she just can't take it anymore she just
942
00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:41,439
has to make him understand that it has
943
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,098
to stop she goes to his room and gets
944
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,269
the gun
945
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:51,559
plus I'm I'm in a nice sort of days I
946
00:51:47,269 --> 00:51:54,828
don't I was told a gun was in heracross
947
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:56,449
we don't remember that you know I don't
948
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:58,369
think the side conversations are
949
00:51:56,449 --> 00:51:59,479
appropriate I think if somebody has
950
00:51:58,369 --> 00:52:02,359
something to say that you say it's
951
00:51:59,479 --> 00:52:04,578
almost in here okay thank you
952
00:52:02,359 --> 00:52:07,479
actually I think that Yvonne has
953
00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:07,479
something to say
954
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:15,739
she said the gun was in her closet I
955
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:16,249
remember that because I wondered then
956
00:52:15,739 --> 00:52:19,699
why
957
00:52:16,249 --> 00:52:22,249
his gun was in her closet maybe because
958
00:52:19,699 --> 00:52:24,890
he put it in there what difference does
959
00:52:22,249 --> 00:52:26,779
it make I don't know all right then
960
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:28,339
let's move on okay she can wait a minute
961
00:52:26,779 --> 00:52:30,650
this is bothering me too
962
00:52:28,339 --> 00:52:34,390
hey you know what maybe she said that
963
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:41,390
closet like so I got it from the closet
964
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:45,339
yeah I know I remember what she said she
965
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:45,339
said my closet
966
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:53,480
why else would you bring a loaded gun
967
00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:55,940
answer I don't know I just questioned
968
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,640
you went there with it on a whim answer
969
00:52:55,940 --> 00:53:01,340
I didn't think I hadn't slept for a week
970
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,029
I remember I went to my closet and I got
971
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:04,030
the gun app
972
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:13,560
[Music]
973
00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:15,150
I understand any of this her closet his
974
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,290
closet what difference does it make I
975
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:17,940
think we should get back to going
976
00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:19,950
through it her state of mind yeah you
977
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:21,360
would look what I want to know is are we
978
00:53:19,950 --> 00:53:23,460
supposed to talk about this closet but
979
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,140
no it is not necessary to insult
980
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:26,190
everyone okay it just so happens that
981
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:28,680
Yvonne was right
982
00:53:26,190 --> 00:53:31,290
and you was wrong I wasn't insulting
983
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:34,440
nobody I just said it was a stupid point
984
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:35,940
no you're a stupid man I'm sick and
985
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,010
tired of him pushing everyone around
986
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:39,000
what is pushing anybody around except
987
00:53:38,010 --> 00:53:41,040
for maybe this one with her
988
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:50,250
he makes me hate myself for being pretty
989
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:53,279
all right mister how come you never do
990
00:53:50,250 --> 00:53:55,110
anything why do the foreman you just sit
991
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,340
there you let him fight like that where
992
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:57,810
am I supposed to go it's not my job
993
00:53:56,340 --> 00:54:00,650
you're not even trying you just sit
994
00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:00,650
there you write all the time
995
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:11,580
one with her make me hate pretty be Oh
996
00:54:09,570 --> 00:54:14,340
mister fact didn't have his facts right
997
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:16,980
I'm allowed to take boobs Yvonne
998
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:19,170
heavily accented English old-fashioned
999
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:21,150
hairdo your love take notes if you're on
1000
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:25,190
a jury you can take notes it's not about
1001
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:27,330
the trial is it what are you doing I
1002
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:28,950
mean what am i doing what are you
1003
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:30,720
getting your stuff together for the big
1004
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:34,250
bestseller is that it don't you start
1005
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:36,899
picking on me is that what you are doing
1006
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:38,220
there's not one person in this room who
1007
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:40,850
hasn't thought the same thing as me and
1008
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:40,850
that is the truth
1009
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:52,290
[Music]
1010
00:54:48,869 --> 00:54:52,290
want my book here
1011
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:58,900
sewer catchy it's the waiver I've had
1012
00:54:56,470 --> 00:55:02,169
the opportunity to examine your notebook
1013
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:07,240
and I'd like you to explain the purpose
1014
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:11,500
of these notes purpose I would I thought
1015
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:17,560
they would help me help you in reaching
1016
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:19,930
a verdict may I remind you mr. Weber
1017
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,970
that you could face perjury charges if
1018
00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:27,328
you knowingly give false answers to this
1019
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:27,328
court I know
1020
00:55:28,089 --> 00:55:33,070
all's it is is like I was led to believe
1021
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:36,260
that if I could take notes
1022
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:36,260
[Music]
1023
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,950
look I've never been involved in
1024
00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:40,720
anything like this this is an
1025
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:43,700
opportunity
1026
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:45,649
everybody knows the people who get
1027
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:49,640
involved in be big cases they become
1028
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:53,140
famous so why not me I wasn't gonna do
1029
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,140
anything they would
1030
00:55:54,620 --> 00:56:02,230
I don't know I'm sorry your honor
1031
00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:16,040
[Music]
1032
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:18,290
I'd like to stay really blew it man you
1033
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,240
know that was like he was spying on us
1034
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:22,460
okay
1035
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:25,430
Hey what did you get for us huh
1036
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:25,850
they're gonna throw us off right excuse
1037
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:35,690
me
1038
00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:36,759
yeah thanks get a bunch of strangers
1039
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:40,070
cooped up together
1040
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:45,260
you're doing great look how you
1041
00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:50,000
confronted Carl oh yeah that but I can't
1042
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:52,700
I mean you think it all through you know
1043
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,640
and you're smart but sometimes I just
1044
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:57,680
can't follow at all you have this much
1045
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,370
right to your thoughts as anyone else in
1046
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,790
that room
1047
00:56:58,370 --> 00:57:03,980
what thoughts I'm just confused all
1048
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:07,700
confused don't sell yourself short
1049
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:09,260
yeah I know but barely you know she
1050
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,560
she's got it all straight in her head
1051
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:14,230
and you you you can analyze these things
1052
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,910
Neverland Harris and all the others I
1053
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:20,680
just I just I can't do the kind of
1054
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:25,450
analyzation you're a good and decent man
1055
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,450
that's what being on a jury is about
1056
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:40,459
[Music]
1057
00:57:44,070 --> 00:57:47,229
[Music]
1058
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,770
[Music]
1059
00:57:55,930 --> 00:58:01,410
okay looks like you got a new Foreman
1060
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:03,940
maybe now we can get this thing settled
1061
00:58:01,410 --> 00:58:05,500
I'm Larry Millan I like to run a pretty
1062
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:07,390
tight ship and the first thing I think
1063
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,140
we got to do is get ourselves up to
1064
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:10,598
speed
1065
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:13,598
I'm not certain your as a foreman mr.
1066
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,760
Moran well this little Carl was and I'm
1067
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:18,190
his replacement we've made a mistake
1068
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:24,809
before we're not going to make it again
1069
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:24,809
I nominate Ellis Bell
1070
00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:33,330
oh come on there's only one person in
1071
00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:35,100
this room who has not best everybody
1072
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:44,279
else office sometime or not the come on
1073
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:49,440
let's do those fans thank you okay thank
1074
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:50,100
you hey yeah I just want to say one
1075
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,450
thing
1076
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:55,170
I'll shut up all of you have talked a
1077
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:57,330
lot about this
1078
00:58:55,170 --> 00:59:00,810
you all know where you stand I just want
1079
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:03,540
to tell you where I stand I'm married I
1080
00:59:00,810 --> 00:59:07,560
have two kids and on occasion I have
1081
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:09,990
cheated on my wife I know if it's okay
1082
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,770
to shoot a man for that I'm gonna help a
1083
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:19,259
lot of trouble anyone else have any
1084
00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:20,850
confessions they want to make I don't
1085
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:23,400
have confession but I do have a question
1086
00:59:20,850 --> 00:59:25,200
and since you seem to have some
1087
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:29,370
experience with infidelity I guess
1088
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:32,189
you're the one I should ask okay far
1089
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:37,080
away have you ever had a really big
1090
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:39,660
fight with your wife Pope Catholic you
1091
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,770
ever moved into a spare room yeah I have
1092
00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:43,950
been known to do that on occasion
1093
00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:47,580
where's this going counselor do you take
1094
00:59:43,950 --> 00:59:51,060
your things let me explain something
1095
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:52,799
together madam Foreman when you move out
1096
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:55,380
of your wife's bedroom it's a big deal I
1097
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:59,280
mean it's very dramatic you are making a
1098
00:59:55,380 --> 01:00:00,480
point so believe me if you go through an
1099
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,860
act like that you don't want to come
1100
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,430
crawling back in the morning looking for
1101
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:09,770
your socks yeah damn right you take your
1102
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:09,770
stuff don't you take your gun
1103
01:00:10,930 --> 01:00:16,379
the gun that you've threatened her with
1104
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:16,379
would you leave it in the closet
1105
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:25,270
no no of course I don't weigh all right
1106
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:27,340
she said she was confused maybe she went
1107
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:29,380
into his room what difference does it
1108
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:31,150
make possible but she seemed pretty
1109
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:33,070
clear about the closet even when she was
1110
01:00:31,150 --> 01:00:34,630
confused I don't understand
1111
01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:36,070
I mean did you just say that you
1112
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:39,610
couldn't have the gun in her closet
1113
01:00:36,070 --> 01:00:43,420
uh-huh when he moved out of their room
1114
01:00:39,610 --> 01:00:46,030
he would have taken his gun you're
1115
01:00:43,420 --> 01:00:48,250
saying he wouldn't have left his gun in
1116
01:00:46,030 --> 01:00:48,670
the closet but he did leave it in the
1117
01:00:48,250 --> 01:00:50,880
closet
1118
01:00:48,670 --> 01:00:53,470
that doesn't make any sense look Nolan
1119
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,750
he would have taken this gun when he
1120
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:57,939
moved out of the room right but now we
1121
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:59,440
know that he didn't take his gun so what
1122
01:00:57,940 --> 01:01:01,240
you think that means that must mean one
1123
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,250
out of two things either he never moved
1124
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:08,859
out of the room or it wasn't his guy so
1125
01:01:06,250 --> 01:01:10,510
then all that stuff about him bringing a
1126
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:13,870
gun home and threatening her with it
1127
01:01:10,510 --> 01:01:15,540
that isn't true can it's possible that
1128
01:01:13,870 --> 01:01:17,859
Larry here's theories on male behavior
1129
01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:19,509
aren't binding on everyone
1130
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:21,010
Yeah right it could be he threatened to
1131
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:23,410
kill her with a gun and then left it for
1132
01:01:21,010 --> 01:01:24,780
her in the closet
1133
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:28,359
[Applause]
1134
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:29,860
now look it could be that this man was
1135
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,110
just playing games with her head right I
1136
01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:34,300
mean that's what she said and if that's
1137
01:01:32,110 --> 01:01:36,640
right then what happened couldn't be
1138
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:39,310
helped that's what I keep telling you
1139
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,069
yes barrel but that is only one could be
1140
01:01:39,310 --> 01:01:45,070
it could also be that this woman just
1141
01:01:42,070 --> 01:01:47,100
wanted out of a lousy marriage and in no
1142
01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:48,340
way was she gonna pay him no alimony
1143
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,990
excuse me
1144
01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:55,060
yes Siobhan I had an uncle back home
1145
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:58,450
everybody said he ran around on his wife
1146
01:01:55,060 --> 01:02:01,000
but I lived with them and I knew the man
1147
01:01:58,450 --> 01:02:02,830
was a saint Oh what is this we're not
1148
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,260
talking about another country there was
1149
01:02:02,830 --> 01:02:08,470
a trial in this country we're the jury
1150
01:02:05,260 --> 01:02:10,390
the judge said Vicki drawing on our own
1151
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:11,919
personal experiences what experienced
1152
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:16,830
some Saint in the old country I don't
1153
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:19,740
want to hear about it he was a good man
1154
01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:22,640
that's all what I'm saying
1155
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:26,299
people say things about someone but
1156
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:29,660
but it doesn't it doesn't make it true
1157
01:02:26,299 --> 01:02:31,579
that doesn't mean anything now why don't
1158
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:32,930
we all just agree to shut up if we don't
1159
01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:35,720
have anything to say it's got something
1160
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:38,269
to do with what's going on here look at
1161
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,038
that what the hell is the matter with
1162
01:02:38,269 --> 01:02:44,029
you treating her like that
1163
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:46,940
Oh mr. tact talking it's not the same
1164
01:02:44,029 --> 01:02:49,220
thing why isn't it
1165
01:02:46,940 --> 01:02:50,779
because I don't have to be tactful I'm
1166
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:51,819
not trying to convince anyone of
1167
01:02:50,779 --> 01:02:55,130
anything
1168
01:02:51,819 --> 01:02:57,558
excuse me are you saying that we all
1169
01:02:55,130 --> 01:03:00,170
have to cater to yourself that's what it
1170
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:02,630
comes down to lady I'm even more solid
1171
01:03:00,170 --> 01:03:04,970
for murder one than I was before so you
1172
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:06,769
girls are gonna have to convince me or
1173
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:08,660
we're gonna be here one damn long time
1174
01:03:06,769 --> 01:03:11,598
maybe you're gonna have to convince us
1175
01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:12,519
girls if I want to do but I don't it's
1176
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:15,640
not my thing
1177
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:22,008
that is the most typical arrogant
1178
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:24,920
infuriating to shoot him what I would
1179
01:03:22,009 --> 01:03:26,499
vote on that one it's not funny
1180
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,450
I'm not sure she could hit him anyway
1181
01:03:26,499 --> 01:03:32,118
what are you talking about I mean when
1182
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:35,450
Atwood we're trying to get into her
1183
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:38,690
state of mind right well she said she
1184
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:41,950
was upset and shaking but she hit him
1185
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:46,880
right below the eye with only one shot
1186
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:48,859
he's not so hard it ain't easy you want
1187
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,579
to hit a bull's eye your arms gotta be
1188
01:03:48,859 --> 01:03:55,489
fully extended and steady it could take
1189
01:03:52,579 --> 01:03:58,519
me a whole clip you gotta be cool calm
1190
01:03:55,489 --> 01:04:00,890
and collected that's a very good point
1191
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:02,450
Fletcher no it's not it's irrelevant all
1192
01:04:00,890 --> 01:04:05,058
she had to do is point and shoot Oh
1193
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:06,769
could you do it she was only 15 feet
1194
01:04:05,059 --> 01:04:10,640
away so do it here
1195
01:04:06,769 --> 01:04:12,410
pick up the gun you shoot me what come
1196
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,440
on it's not loaded wait a minute I don't
1197
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:17,149
know any of them you don't touch it you
1198
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,430
think it's so easy come on put your
1199
01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:23,140
money where your damn mouth
1200
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:24,850
ah you idiot right here we go I'm in the
1201
01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:27,310
bed you come in the room I see you I put
1202
01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:30,730
up my hands you shoot come on go for it
1203
01:04:27,310 --> 01:04:33,820
this is stupid come on do it
1204
01:04:30,730 --> 01:04:33,820
[Music]
1205
01:04:36,269 --> 01:04:53,490
to me okay
1206
01:04:49,770 --> 01:04:58,190
so you shut the lamp you shot my knee
1207
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:58,189
you shot my girlfriend's pussycat but
1208
01:04:58,220 --> 01:05:05,288
you missed my head
1209
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,289
[Music]
1210
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:19,200
you okay yes so to kill him in one shot
1211
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:25,200
she hadn't heard she was doing it's like
1212
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:27,109
I said before she's a stone killer No
1213
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,180
[Music]
1214
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:33,750
on a Sally
1215
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:38,970
dr. Quintero said she was in a state of
1216
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:42,240
atomic ISM and when herself said she
1217
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:44,450
left her body you know it's like a car
1218
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,450
accident
1219
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:48,919
things happen in slow motion
1220
01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:58,879
and everything's very clear
1221
01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:58,880
[Music]
1222
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:13,349
murder first-degree miss Edgewood is not
1223
01:06:11,279 --> 01:06:19,859
telling us the truth is that
1224
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:22,579
first-degree murder first-degree you
1225
01:06:19,859 --> 01:06:22,578
know where I stand
1226
01:06:22,990 --> 01:06:26,950
I don't think anything's changed I'm
1227
01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:30,580
still with manslaughter
1228
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:34,279
I think it's first degree
1229
01:06:30,580 --> 01:06:34,279
[Music]
1230
01:06:35,099 --> 01:06:44,940
well before I was I was convinced she
1231
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:49,459
was abused but now I'm not so sure I'd
1232
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:52,319
have to say I'm leaning towards murder
1233
01:06:49,459 --> 01:06:55,948
that's definitely all and now woman's
1234
01:06:52,319 --> 01:07:00,329
story I don't think I could vote for
1235
01:06:55,949 --> 01:07:01,319
manslaughter now I don't know maybe
1236
01:07:00,329 --> 01:07:05,339
Alice is right
1237
01:07:01,319 --> 01:07:08,579
Oh can't you think for yourself I don't
1238
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:15,259
believe her story anymore that's for me
1239
01:07:08,579 --> 01:07:17,599
for myself okay nothing's changed for me
1240
01:07:15,259 --> 01:07:23,509
same with me
1241
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:23,509
manslaughter murder one
1242
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,080
okay
1243
01:07:54,120 --> 01:08:01,040
and get pretty rough in there can it at
1244
01:07:57,660 --> 01:08:01,040
least with rough I know where I stand
1245
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:06,240
it's not personal
1246
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:08,759
we're all just trying to do the right
1247
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,220
thing you know something when a woman
1248
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,770
gets messed over everybody turns honor
1249
01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:15,930
the women the first selfie you think is
1250
01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:17,490
going on in there look I'm not saying
1251
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:19,200
she has a right to kill anyone I'm
1252
01:08:17,490 --> 01:08:22,559
saying when a woman is pushed far enough
1253
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,000
sometimes she breaks and we can't judge
1254
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,280
people have suffered like that the way
1255
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,939
that we judge people haven't that's
1256
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,939
right yeah
1257
01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:36,020
but what if she hasn't what if she's
1258
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:41,240
lying barrel then that she's cheating
1259
01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:42,950
every single woman who is abused no okay
1260
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,439
maybe she didn't tell the whole truth
1261
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:48,410
about the gun no maybe she exaggerated a
1262
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:50,929
few other things but if she shot the man
1263
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:52,279
you know he gave her a good reason now
1264
01:08:50,930 --> 01:09:00,140
maybe you're prepared to forget that but
1265
01:08:52,279 --> 01:09:02,349
I am not hit her pattern let's get at
1266
01:09:00,140 --> 01:09:02,350
her
1267
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,929
okay let me ask you guys a question how
1268
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:12,390
can you just ignore what he did to her
1269
01:09:09,929 --> 01:09:14,100
oh man here we go again because you
1270
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:16,409
don't know if it's true how do you know
1271
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:18,630
it isn't how do you ever know for sure
1272
01:09:16,408 --> 01:09:20,608
if I had to guess um I'm not talking
1273
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:22,699
about guesses I'm talking about what you
1274
01:09:20,609 --> 01:09:24,989
know beyond a reasonable doubt
1275
01:09:22,698 --> 01:09:27,299
reasonable doubt do you really believe
1276
01:09:24,988 --> 01:09:29,040
that woman proved that she was so abused
1277
01:09:27,299 --> 01:09:30,600
she doesn't have to prove a thing the
1278
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,069
burden of proof is on the state she's
1279
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,770
right the judgment was very clear on
1280
01:09:32,069 --> 01:09:37,830
that oh that's a bunch of garbage the
1281
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:39,480
burden of proof is garbage no I mean
1282
01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:42,809
that they already proved that she offed
1283
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:45,448
him huh she even said so now she wants
1284
01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:47,040
to come to us say oh I had a reason well
1285
01:09:45,448 --> 01:09:49,830
she's damn well got to prove that I
1286
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,589
think we all have to decide whether the
1287
01:09:49,830 --> 01:09:54,390
abuse really happened because if she's
1288
01:09:52,589 --> 01:09:56,880
lying then she intended to kill him in
1289
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:59,250
its murder that's right but if she was
1290
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,600
so traumatized by him that she didn't
1291
01:09:59,250 --> 01:10:02,610
know what she was doing when she shot
1292
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,370
him then it's manslaughter so whose side
1293
01:10:02,610 --> 01:10:07,349
are you on not on anybody's side
1294
01:10:05,370 --> 01:10:08,880
just lay off her she's just doing what
1295
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:11,040
we're supposed to do so who are you now
1296
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,820
her big protector or something what's
1297
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,850
that supposed to mean
1298
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:16,469
come on guys let's not get into this you
1299
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:21,000
act like you don't even care whether she
1300
01:10:16,469 --> 01:10:22,739
was abused or not well I don't all I
1301
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,409
know is that she planned the whole thing
1302
01:10:22,739 --> 01:10:27,540
out like I can't know that you can't
1303
01:10:25,409 --> 01:10:29,280
know whether she intended to kill him no
1304
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:33,090
no no I don't have to know it
1305
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:36,599
not like if I saw it come on the judge
1306
01:10:33,090 --> 01:10:38,040
heat he had to work for it you know it's
1307
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,810
like when you see that the sidewalks wet
1308
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:43,500
but you didn't actually see it raining
1309
01:10:39,810 --> 01:10:46,290
infer that's it all right so here we go
1310
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:48,719
she gets herself a piece right I infer
1311
01:10:46,290 --> 01:10:51,179
she's got a mind to shoot him she puts
1312
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:52,860
it in her pocket I am first she's gonna
1313
01:10:51,179 --> 01:10:55,080
shoot him that off she gets in her car
1314
01:10:52,860 --> 01:10:57,330
she drives over to where this other lady
1315
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:00,090
lives I am first she's gonna shoot him
1316
01:10:57,330 --> 01:11:03,559
right now she goes in the bedroom she
1317
01:11:00,090 --> 01:11:07,320
shoots him bang right between the eyes I
1318
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,460
am for premeditation and that's murder
1319
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,940
one
1320
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:13,070
[Music]
1321
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:16,250
but why
1322
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:21,269
[Music]
1323
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:24,510
she wasn't abused why did she do it why
1324
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:25,260
would a woman who had she had risk
1325
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:27,330
everything
1326
01:11:25,260 --> 01:11:30,570
she can't want to give him a divorce Oh
1327
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:31,440
she'd rather risk going to prison I mean
1328
01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:34,200
think about it
1329
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:36,809
so she had to give him half of money big
1330
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:39,480
deal what is that compared to having
1331
01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:40,380
your life destroyed anyway she went to a
1332
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:42,839
divorce lawyer
1333
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:44,040
no Naomi we're not allowed to consider
1334
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,560
that testimony
1335
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,380
Horace is right judge said so we have to
1336
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:52,680
ignore that testimony he pretend you
1337
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:54,180
don't know something it's kind of weird
1338
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,020
I mean how could a woman like that kill
1339
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:58,410
her husband
1340
01:11:55,020 --> 01:12:00,600
there is only one reason because he
1341
01:11:58,410 --> 01:12:03,750
drove her crazy with Tara Tasha if she
1342
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:06,780
was so abused why didn't mr. Franciscus
1343
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:08,640
have any other family or a friend
1344
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:11,490
testified that they know something about
1345
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,710
didn't you listen to dr. Quintero when
1346
01:12:11,490 --> 01:12:15,540
you were abused like that you don't talk
1347
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:19,350
to anyone you're isolated because you're
1348
01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:24,090
so ashamed he kind of see it any way you
1349
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:27,270
want it's really confusing I had a
1350
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:30,930
friend she was beaten up a lot by her
1351
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:32,430
boyfriend and I didn't know but I knew
1352
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:33,930
you know you see that's what I'm talking
1353
01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:35,160
about right there I don't care how
1354
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:38,640
isolated you are
1355
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,500
somebody has got to know something maybe
1356
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,900
what you don't know is the secret hell
1357
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:49,290
she know we don't but listen this is
1358
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:51,870
where I'm coming from okay we people
1359
01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:53,310
have got to agree that we are not gonna
1360
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:56,309
kill each other you know what I'm saying
1361
01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:58,710
and is it's just basic it is basic to
1362
01:12:56,310 --> 01:13:01,080
being a human being am i right so if I
1363
01:12:58,710 --> 01:13:03,000
go to somebody now and I say hey I just
1364
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:06,930
killed the guy but you can't blame me
1365
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:09,120
cuz I was so messed up in my head that I
1366
01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:11,700
was no longer functioning person well
1367
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,830
honey then I have got to show that you
1368
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:16,679
know I'm saying I have got to prove it
1369
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:19,559
honey because either he got pain she got
1370
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,960
pain pretty soon we all be shooting and
1371
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,620
killing each other because baby
1372
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,620
everybody got Hey
1373
01:13:28,060 --> 01:13:33,840
[Music]
1374
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:33,840
excuse me
1375
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I'm changing my verdict first-degree
1376
01:13:38,770 --> 01:13:41,010
murder
1377
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:52,240
[Music]
1378
01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:07,840
there's just the two of them left Berlin
1379
01:14:03,989 --> 01:14:10,259
the one with the kneading why don't we
1380
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,730
zero in on the one with the Knitting no
1381
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:14,309
in man I'm just trying to get us out of
1382
01:14:12,730 --> 01:14:18,730
here
1383
01:14:14,309 --> 01:14:21,219
this isn't result to reasonable
1384
01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:24,839
discussion excuse me gentlemen if you
1385
01:14:21,219 --> 01:14:24,840
care to join us we could get started
1386
01:14:39,409 --> 01:14:49,949
yesterday mr. Ramos Ramos Ramos said he
1387
01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:53,249
was in the minority and the rest of us
1388
01:14:49,949 --> 01:14:54,719
had to convince him things have moved
1389
01:14:53,249 --> 01:14:57,510
around a lot since then
1390
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:58,800
I think Braille and I should just sit
1391
01:14:57,510 --> 01:15:01,369
here and listen to what the rest you
1392
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,369
have to say
1393
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:12,769
okay I don't think a crack at the gunner
1394
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:14,750
closet not his gun the fact she was in
1395
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:17,570
control nailed him with one shot
1396
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:18,890
the mistress testified at what said she
1397
01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:24,259
was gonna kill her too
1398
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:26,960
I can't trust her word okay okay
1399
01:15:24,260 --> 01:15:28,550
when atwood testified she implied that
1400
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,590
her husband was sleeping with all kinds
1401
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:32,540
of women but when the mistress testified
1402
01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:34,310
she said that their relationship had
1403
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:36,500
been going on for like more than three
1404
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:37,370
years he has a mistress for three years
1405
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,230
and you make it sound like it's
1406
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:40,370
something good he did no no that's not
1407
01:15:39,230 --> 01:15:43,099
what I'm saying what I'm saying is they
1408
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:46,900
didn't cross-examine her they didn't ask
1409
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:49,760
her about other women yeah but she knew
1410
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:53,290
believe me when you cheat on your
1411
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:56,450
mistress she knows just like your wife
1412
01:15:53,290 --> 01:15:58,040
but the point is if the defense didn't
1413
01:15:56,450 --> 01:16:03,200
ask her is because they didn't want us
1414
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:04,760
to hear the answer so simple fact is he
1415
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:09,500
may not have been faithful to his wife
1416
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:11,270
but he was not as I say sleek around
1417
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:14,750
where are you protecting that man's
1418
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:18,080
reputation she was in that tramps
1419
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:21,110
apartment when he was shot she was a
1420
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:23,150
useless cheating deceiving hey what is
1421
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:26,019
it with you you haven't you don't you or
1422
01:16:23,150 --> 01:16:26,019
something what's your problem
1423
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:38,790
her husband's dead
1424
01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:51,090
oh geez hey I'm sorry I didn't mean I
1425
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:55,349
mean I didn't know hey look I'm sorry
1426
01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:59,730
okay well you talk to women you should
1427
01:16:55,350 --> 01:17:07,430
be ashamed they've been married for 27
1428
01:16:59,730 --> 01:17:07,429
years and I it's wrong well
1429
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:19,900
we were married 41 years I was 16 years
1430
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:23,889
old when I met him I never knew another
1431
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:28,179
man he was a good husband a good
1432
01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:30,360
provider we tried to have children but
1433
01:17:28,180 --> 01:17:35,010
didn't work so we settled into that just
1434
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:40,690
George and me that was all we needed
1435
01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:42,460
really in 41 years they never once gave
1436
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:44,200
me cause to doubt I'm just always
1437
01:17:42,460 --> 01:17:48,040
shooting off my mouth you know I didn't
1438
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:53,460
mean nothing year and a half ago he had
1439
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:53,460
a stroke it's very bad
1440
01:17:53,850 --> 01:18:03,470
all he can do is light look into my eyes
1441
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,470
thank God he had another and he was gone
1442
01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:13,469
but I still had that to hold on to I
1443
01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:13,470
still had those 41 years
1444
01:18:14,260 --> 01:18:22,770
mr. Mouse you know what I found out he
1445
01:18:19,450 --> 01:18:24,290
was running around you want to know when
1446
01:18:22,770 --> 01:18:25,450
[Music]
1447
01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:27,210
at his funeral
1448
01:18:25,450 --> 01:18:31,190
[Music]
1449
01:18:27,210 --> 01:18:31,190
she came to his funeral woman
1450
01:18:31,539 --> 01:18:40,759
because she loved him she said because
1451
01:18:36,860 --> 01:18:42,110
he loved her she said she hated all
1452
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,630
these years and she didn't want to hide
1453
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:47,139
it anymore
1454
01:18:43,630 --> 01:18:47,850
as if she had some rights here what
1455
01:18:47,140 --> 01:18:49,990
right
1456
01:18:47,850 --> 01:18:54,220
what right did she have to take away
1457
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:59,130
those 41 years and what could I do to
1458
01:18:54,220 --> 01:18:59,130
her she was dipped
1459
01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:10,659
[Music]
1460
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:10,659
yeah
1461
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:17,319
[Music]
1462
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:24,850
it's murder
1463
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:30,590
[Music]
1464
01:19:24,850 --> 01:19:32,080
god help it's what I would have done but
1465
01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:35,239
it's still murder
1466
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,239
[Music]
1467
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,830
doesn't it bother you that she lied
1468
01:19:42,670 --> 01:19:46,660
about the gun some that she was telling
1469
01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:48,190
the truth about the relationship none of
1470
01:19:46,660 --> 01:19:49,870
her friends know anything about it I
1471
01:19:48,190 --> 01:19:51,339
told you when people are treated like
1472
01:19:49,870 --> 01:19:53,980
that they don't want anyone to know
1473
01:19:51,340 --> 01:19:56,410
Beryl you've been had you just don't
1474
01:19:53,980 --> 01:19:59,860
want to hear no you've been had all of
1475
01:19:56,410 --> 01:20:02,320
you men can do whatever they want we're
1476
01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:04,690
supposed to take it some drunken slob
1477
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,240
beats his wife to death that's sudden
1478
01:20:04,690 --> 01:20:08,549
anger whatever the lawyers call it but
1479
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,530
when she can't stand it anymore
1480
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:13,540
crouching in a corner terrified waiting
1481
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:15,820
that makes what she does
1482
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:19,740
premeditated and she goes to jail for
1483
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:23,259
the rest of her life I am sick of it and
1484
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:27,370
this is my chance to put it right this
1485
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:29,800
isn't a political trial Oh God of course
1486
01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:32,320
it is and what's the political message
1487
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:35,980
you're trying to send you can only push
1488
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:39,880
a woman so far how's that fine I can see
1489
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:43,120
that if her story's true it is and if
1490
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:45,640
you don't buy that then we go into that
1491
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:48,760
court and we tell the judge we are a
1492
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,860
hung jury it's fine bitch don't listen
1493
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,910
to anything anyway ade Bailey sit down
1494
01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:53,910
and watch your mouth
1495
01:20:59,249 --> 01:21:04,570
you just remember from the very
1496
01:21:02,079 --> 01:21:06,909
beginning I've been where you people are
1497
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:10,239
just getting to yes but for all the
1498
01:21:06,909 --> 01:21:12,280
wrong reasons we have all been sitting
1499
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:14,489
here struggling to find the truth while
1500
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,659
you had your mind made up from the start
1501
01:21:14,489 --> 01:21:18,159
and even though we've come to the same
1502
01:21:16,659 --> 01:21:30,070
verdict as you does not make your
1503
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:32,339
behavior acceptable it's alright we're
1504
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:32,340
fine
1505
01:21:33,780 --> 01:21:44,940
I want to know something Beryl is this a
1506
01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:47,010
crusade with you are you sticking with
1507
01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:50,549
not guilty because some women are abused
1508
01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:55,070
no because she was and if she wasn't I
1509
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:55,070
just want to know where we stand
1510
01:21:58,140 --> 01:22:03,890
if she was making it up and it is murder
1511
01:22:00,890 --> 01:22:03,890
okay
1512
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:15,540
look I'm sorry for Mickey will go
1513
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:18,360
through this what you don't seem to get
1514
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:20,540
is what women experience it is like
1515
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:22,860
being in a concentration camp
1516
01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:25,290
just like that psychologist said the one
1517
01:22:22,860 --> 01:22:27,269
dr. Quintero quoted dr. Susan Trueblood
1518
01:22:25,290 --> 01:22:28,920
and I don't understand why you can't see
1519
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:34,110
that how did you remember that
1520
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:37,800
her name she was on TV she's like this
1521
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:41,670
huge woman she was on Oprah
1522
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,440
when Atwood on Donahue I think the woman
1523
01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:45,900
whose theories Quintero's work is based
1524
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:48,570
on was on the win at wood shelf about a
1525
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:52,700
year ago and Donna you before he was
1526
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:52,700
canceled what did she say on when Edward
1527
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:58,530
well it was about the tragedy of wife
1528
01:22:55,410 --> 01:23:01,950
abuse one woman ran over her husband and
1529
01:22:58,530 --> 01:23:04,410
dr. Trueblood said I don't know whatever
1530
01:23:01,950 --> 01:23:06,510
dr. Quintero said you know like
1531
01:23:04,410 --> 01:23:12,019
self-esteem and all that sleepwalking
1532
01:23:06,510 --> 01:23:12,020
stuff I like that that's why I heard it
1533
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:18,510
she talked to her barrel she would have
1534
01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:21,019
had her books done the research she
1535
01:23:18,510 --> 01:23:23,250
would have known exactly what to say
1536
01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:26,250
maybe when she did that show it was a
1537
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:28,740
chance to understand more about what she
1538
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:32,660
was going through barrel if she could
1539
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:35,480
understand that meant she was rational
1540
01:23:32,660 --> 01:23:39,530
she wasn't lost in despair she had
1541
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:39,530
alternatives I think you know that
1542
01:23:46,510 --> 01:23:59,660
I can't betray every woman not this is
1543
01:23:55,540 --> 01:24:10,530
one very specific woman lied
1544
01:23:59,660 --> 01:24:17,430
[Music]
1545
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:20,309
as the jury reached a verdict yes your
1546
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:24,960
honor we have as to the charge of murder
1547
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:28,400
in the first degree I'll say we find the
1548
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,400
defendant guilty as charged
1549
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:37,860
[Music]
1550
01:24:39,389 --> 01:24:44,179
Ellis Bell is this your verdict yes it
1551
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:48,500
is
1552
01:24:44,179 --> 01:24:51,050
Fletcher Lowe is this your verdict yes
1553
01:24:48,500 --> 01:24:56,810
yes it is
1554
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:56,810
Naomi button is this your verdict yes
1555
01:24:57,710 --> 01:25:04,730
Raphael Ramos is this your verdict
1556
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:09,860
yeah yes
1557
01:25:04,730 --> 01:25:09,860
Noland James is this your verdict
1558
01:25:09,949 --> 01:25:19,379
that's my verdict he's gone mahalik is
1559
01:25:14,429 --> 01:25:22,790
this your verdict yes Horace the Fanus
1560
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:25,810
is this your verdict yes it is
1561
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:29,150
first-degree murder
1562
01:25:25,810 --> 01:25:32,750
guilty Lawrence Milan is this your
1563
01:25:29,150 --> 01:25:38,049
verdict murder first-degree yes
1564
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:38,050
Gladys McKenzie is this your verdict
1565
01:25:38,469 --> 01:25:44,850
is it is Beryl Granger is this your
1566
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:44,849
verdict yes
1567
01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:55,750
Stephani true is this your verdict
1568
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:58,469
that's right yeah Evelyn Harris is this
1569
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:58,469
your verdict
1570
01:25:59,469 --> 01:26:04,199
first degree murder yes
1571
01:26:05,130 --> 01:26:09,640
[Music]
1572
01:26:17,070 --> 01:26:22,540
well it was totally crazy everybody was
1573
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:23,960
smiling and stuff
1574
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:25,820
[Music]
1575
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:33,350
so people were really had weird
1576
01:26:25,820 --> 01:26:34,750
attitudes if it wasn't for me
1577
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:40,530
they were gonna
1578
01:26:34,750 --> 01:26:40,530
free but arrested the story
1579
01:26:44,430 --> 01:26:53,159
I was hard you know I felt for a bit
1580
01:26:47,810 --> 01:27:00,310
[Music]
1581
01:26:53,159 --> 01:27:01,190
hey Alice hey maybe I'll see you
1582
01:27:00,310 --> 01:27:03,349
sometime
1583
01:27:01,190 --> 01:27:06,400
[Music]
1584
01:27:03,349 --> 01:27:22,870
yeah maybe
1585
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:22,870
[Music]
1586
01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:28,830
[Applause]
1587
01:27:25,700 --> 01:27:28,830
[Music]
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