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that's it this is what they sent us and

shut this craft bunch of cops standing

around staring at each other with us Oh

Frankie biggest murder story since LJ

and we're shooting other crews

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that's good that's good keep that got

the audio on that

my captured like us

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okay what about the killer we got

anything on the killer

that's nice it's nice little ragged but

keep that that's nice it's great

okay now forward slowly I just okay

slowly okay freeze it there beautiful

zoom it man Jeff you're a genius what

else you got she got it at me for that

show okay back to the arrest

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she goes what about the body

beloved husband

good happier days Ernie thank a lot on

that you want irony or tragic tragedy

definitely haven't ready for a level

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wait

a speculator might be today is jury

selection which we will begin to give us

a sense of the way that way

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and they say this thing's gonna last

about a month a month in I have you know

they get me in on that say you must have

a fascinating life who can afford it

past this one that's my point

they left this one off for shooting a

guy just cuz he's getting a little

something on the side I'm gonna have to

live in another country if he found her

with a man and shot her that would be

okay right

well you got a look at what's involved

right I'm trying to say is we shouldn't

be talking oh yeah you heard anybody who

hasn't talked about this in the last

month that I have I understand but we

might be selected for the jury

I guess what you gotta ask yourself is

what do you do if your husband was

running around I'd do what she did in a

short minute no I'd like to anyway you

know something stop me hey more power to

it oh I'll say that much what about you

you'll never cheat on you never you know

that yes I do

how about you my husband's dead all

right

this is what they sent you saw you on TV

in that one look good

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look it is is my wife with another man

if I ever been with another woman look I

don't tell this stuff to my face excuse

me sir you want to just fill in the form

please fill in the form this in yourself

is personal will answer what you want to

discuss the rest with the judge I'm

going to talk to him boy this is between

me and my wife okay you don't pay me

enough for this kind of stuff we've got

to take a long hard look at women

married over ten years all our survey

say that's where we're getting our best

response probably wishing they'd done it

themselves I suspect that's precisely

what we're tapping into something else

when we ask the same subjects to rate

their marriage as one to ten at the

extremes we correlate very well with a

positive attitude toward our client well

which extremes high or low both very

good marriages very bad marriages

interesting huh Wayne come on in just

surveys this young ladies come up with

some very interesting demographics carry

on infidelity it gives us some very

tricky correlations that could cut

either way obviously the more we know

about these people the better as soon as

we start getting some names from the

jury pool I want neighbors talk to

beauticians and beauty parlors and

teachers of their children's schools

their husbands are running around

Seminole know what about men on the jury

the women jurors are gonna give us the

most options so far um I haven't well we

haven't been able to ice any man that

doesn't want to see me hanged well

locked up for the rest of your life but

yeah that's the general picture

is it alright if I sit here please lose

it thank you

the other thing that drives me crazy

about jury duty forget all these people

same room together and the one thing

they have in common they can't talk

about why don't we just go around the

table and introduce ourselves

my name is Fletcher Fletcher low I'm

Naomi Budden no.1 James I'm Alice Bell

uh I was wondering about was that in the

newspaper this morning they said they

might sequester us well I don't think

they mean us I think it means the jury

once they're selected uh I heard it

might be that place down on South Street

wait a second a hotel oh he's a good one

if it's a problem for you I'm sure you

could talk to somebody well how long are

we gonna be here well all I know is if I

get to stay in a hotel my wife's gonna

kill me

I haven't taken her anyplace in 10 years

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when I call your name please take your

coats and all your belongings and

precedes the door the officer there will

take you to court

Winston Barnes Alfred Choo Naomi Budden

Alice Bell

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look at number don't stare

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there's a fair likelihood when this

trial commences that the jury will be

sequestered our best estimate at this

time is that the trial will take about a

month so I need a show of hands from

those of you for whom this could prove

to be an undue burden

the evidence may show that the

defendant's husband was having an affair

would this affect your decision whether

she was guilty or not guilty of murder

mr. Weber no North tech if a man cheats

on his wife do you think that justifies

her killing him yes button no no I

wouldn't

mrs. Bell his marital fidelity important

to you yes it is so that if a man

cheated on his wife something happened

you might say that he had it coming I

wouldn't say so now juror number eight

college student very timid has trouble

making up her mind impressionable you're

saying bump her tough calls she seems to

take her cue from the woman in a

two-seat who's an interesting case tell

Isabel I don't give that much of a damn

about interesting what I'm saying is if

we get the one we get the other she

makes me nervous I like the way she

looked at me I trust her

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how many of you have watched when

AdWords show on television did you form

an opinion what she's like

mrs. Carlucci I think she's terrific I

would consider it a privilege to serve

on without words jury did you form an

opinion miss vinaigrette no not really

mr. Lowe well she seems kind of smart I

guess so you like her well III don't

usually watch that kind of show

sometimes it just comes on you want to

accept number three are you kidding

she kept looking at the defense table I

thought she was gonna ask if she could

take that with home with her what about

number seven snapped off her answers she

seems solid she's great

guaranteed they'll throw her off I'm not

sure about the black guy number nine not

kicking any men off this jury why not

mr. James have you read about this case

yeah no well that's alright we're not

contesting the fact that mrs. Attwood

shot her husband in fact it was mrs.

Atwood who calls the police

Your Honor is he testifying yes ask a

question mr. Franciscus and mr. James

the circumstances under which the

shooting occurred and the state of mind

of miss Atwood at the time are essential

elements in determining whether it's

first-degree murder second-degree murder

or manslaughter

now will you be able to follow the

courts instructions on that I'll try but

basically you think murder is murder

pretty much yeah so if the judge

instruct already said he would try to

follow the courts instructions your

honor approach

I guess I gave him something to think

about him don't say how the bias could

be clearer your honor he said he could

follow the court's orders he knows how

to answer the question that's all I mean

it's the Francis coz nothing precludes a

juror from having opinions as long as

they're not fixed opinions murder is

murder it sounds fixed to me you keep

your voice down he said he would follow

the courts instructions raise your right

hand

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do you and each of you solemnly swear

that you will well and truly try the

cause now pending before this court and

render it true and just verdict therein

according to the evidence and

instructions of the court so help you

God

I do

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let me tell you what this is and what

this isn't this is a murder trial and we

the prosecution have to prove to you

that on May 18th when at would the

defendant sitting right over there shot

and killed

Gregory Toland the man to whom she was

married for 10 years

the evidence will show that when at word

premeditated this murder she made a plan

she went ahead with this plan and she

knew what she was doing the law

recognizes that even in the taking of

life there are degrees to a crime one of

the sacred foundations our system of

justice is the principle before we can

decide what punishment an act deserves

we must attempt to learn what was in the

mind person who committed that act

you're gonna hear testimony about

Gregory Donald

about how little he cared for his

marriage vows he dismantled her

self-esteem he cut her off from her

family

he threatened humiliated and physically

degraded her Gregory Toland isn't on

trial here

when Atwood is Gregory tow pull that

trigger he's sold and he reaped it's

about murder premeditated cold-blooded

first-degree murder

and when you've all heard the evidence I

promise you you will know beyond any

doubt that when Atwood cannot be

convicted of murder

in non-technical terms it means a single

bullet penetrated the cheekbone just

below the left eye and entered the brain

where it produced massive and fatal

damage what death have been

instantaneous or instantaneous yes and

did the bullet that killed Gregory

Toland come from this unregistered

handgun that the police took from the

defendant state's exhibit 11 yes it did

she was standing with a uniformed

officer she approached me when I entered

the room she said my name is win Atwood

I shot my husband he's right in there in

their bedroom he was in the bed naked

dead oh yeah

naked in debt was there anyone else

present in the apartment

besides the defendant there was another

white female her name was Jane Carlyle

this was her apartment what was she

doing here sitting on the sofa she

appeared to be crying did the defendant

appear to be crying Oh ma'am she

appeared calm and would you say that you

and the defendant were close friends we

were very close friends so she confided

in you oh yes did she ever talk to you

about her marriage all the time what did

she tell you objection hearsay I've been

having an affair for years

there's Donatella when you hear an

objection don't answer the question and

live ruled and this is hearsay miss

Bosco I'm not offering this for the

truth of it just to show the defendants

state of mind all right

witnesses answer will stand but the jury

will not consider this statement in

determining the truth of whether or not

mr. Tolin was having an affair but only

in determining whether or not such a

statement was made to the witness by

defendant when the defendant told you

about her husband's infidelity which

time so she brought the subject up more

than once

lots of times did you ever offer her any

advice at these times she didn't ask for

it but I gave it I told her she should

divorce them and what if anything was

the defendants response to this she said

she wasn't gonna let him and his bimbo

girlfriend walk away with her for money

I'm correct and stating that you

consider yourself a friend of when at

work yes I do

does testifying against such a good

friend bother you at all I didn't

volunteer to do this mister Franciscus I

was subpoenaed and were you subpoenaed

when you gave this interview for next

week's edition of inside look magazine

how much were you paid for this

interview mrs. Donatello answer the

question please

I I believe it was ten thousand dollars

buy a lot of new friends for that

objection wrong all I'm saying is when

you get that kind of money for your

story you tell them what they want to

hear come on you know you're not

supposed to be discussing those like I

wasn't discussing testimony this is

testimony no it isn't all I said was if

somebody sells a story doesn't mean

they're gonna lie I don't think so a

minute never mind about that lady in

there what I want to know are they gonna

give us that kind of money for our

stories well they might but does it mean

you're gonna lie so what do you say

you're gonna concentrate on making money

instead of a fair verdict is that it did

I say that did I say anything like hello

can we please just chill out so we can

get out of here thank you

we had all those police bank guys and

you know the thief Reznick experts you

know being a a doorman doesn't give you

much expertise is that what you are

doesn't that get boring well it's a job

you know magnet crazy

the wife's begun hearing intruders

window five to ten years miss Belle you

can make your call now really you did

all eight this is a wonderful sweetheart

yeah well listen we'll think of

something really special to do when I

get back okay oh we did

Lorraine Bart did you wear your life

jacket no no I can't

this is something I just have to do I'll

call you every day

you take the care of daddy for me okay

well if you have to go hey god I love

you

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Scala when you started your relationship

with Gregory Tolan did you know that he

was married yes I did but you continued

the relationship anyway it was mutual

he'd been happily married I don't

imagine that would have happened did you

ever discuss marriage with Gregory told

him yes he your honor we're getting into

a delicate area here she had the

conversations there's nothing improper

about that counsel knows what I'm

talking about we have to discuss this is

there an objection I don't hear any

grounds how about probative inflammatory

hearsay you want an objection I'll give

you a dozen all right all right

bailiff we'll take a 10-minute recess

this stuff gets me I mean what's going

on that stuff secret honey if he's

talking to his girlfriend about getting

married then you've got to believe that

he's talking to his wife about getting a

divorce you're trying to suggest that

the man wanted to get out of the

marriage unless I misunderstood your

opening statement aren't you alleging

that's why she killed him exactly which

is why I knew why you can't permit it

your honor and we're gonna hardly

cross-examine the deceased on whether

these conversations took place or not

Cameron your client should have thought

of that before she killed them man

Franciscus is going to win this round no

way that lady lawyer isn't gonna let him

get away with nothing I bet you 50 bucks

first question back ain't about marriage

you are on huh what yes miss Carlyle I'm

gonna take you back to the night of the

murder in your own words please tell us

what happened well Gregg had already

gone to bed I was just coming out of the

bathroom when the doorbell rang I

answered the door and it was his wife

the defendant yes the defendant

we're not wood did you know her I know

who she was

we never met please continue she came in

I didn't even get a chance to say

anything Greg called

she pushed past me and headed for the

bedroom I ran after her I told her to

leave she didn't stop

she got to the bedroom door and I was

writing back of her

I never even saw her take out the gun

maybe she had an array in the whole time

are you alright fine

Gregg was just getting out of bed I

guess because of the commotion I could

see him I could see his face he saw her

and he met the same gun at the same time

he put his hands up he tried to duck it

happened so fast she shot him in the

face did miss Atwood say anything at the

time she said relax I was going to kill

you too but I won't

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and then she went to the phone and she

called the police

yeah yeah nice lady oppan I heard that a

nobody was talking to you I don't care

who you're talking to I want to hear it

again

no just because you got a problem don't

mean you can jump on me for it why don't

you just both sit down we have a long

way to go in time everyone will get a

chance to talk you just piss because

it's so damn clear that your pretty

little lady's a stone killer and you're

just gonna take the word of her

husband's girlfriend all right that's

enough

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all right everyone out don't finish your

lot somewhere else that was bad very bad

she was mighty convincing with the jury

about your husband wanting out of the

marriage what do you expect her to say

of course she's going to say something

like that how do you listen to me very

carefully

I'm not going to ask you anything now

but once you take the stand I will help

to help your answer who let the jury

know that if your husband ever talked to

that woman about marriage he was lying

he didn't want the divorce you did how

is that clear

yes

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you're an attorney specializing in the

field of divorce is that so mr. Rogers

yes I am may I approach this is defense

14 for identification Your Honor do you

recognize this volume it's my

appointment calendar directing your

attention to the afternoon of August

11th could you tell us what your two

o'clock appointment was I had an

appointment with Wynn Atwood and did

mrs. Atwood keep that appointment

yes she did no further questions your

witness mr. Otis when you saw the

defendant did she ask you what a divorce

settlement would cost her Your Honor I

respectfully decline to answer that

question on the grounds of

attorney-client privilege your honor

I was very careful not to break that

privilege runner mr. Francis does he is

your witness only to effect that she

consulted an attorney the state thinks

she didn't they can cross-examine on

that don't be absurd we moved to strike

all this man's testimony once I'm

inclined to agree with you

for technical reasons you are not to

concern yourselves with or speculate

about the testimony of mr. Otis which

has been stricken from the record there

are many forms of abuse I don't believe

that physical abuse is either the most

prevalent or the most destructive did

you in your professional capacity

examine when at word I conducted

numerous therapeutic interviews over the

last six months at the County Jail I

also administered a battery of tests did

you reach a conclusion a diagnosis yes

mrs. Atwood is unmistakeably a victim of

severe and chronic abuse and would this

abuse she experienced have affected her

ability to form rational judgments of to

make premeditated decisions yes

completely this woman was so weakened

she couldn't plan anything let alone

make any judgment that we would call

rational in moments of stress she would

be in a state of atomic ism like a

sleepwalker dr. Susan Trueblood who's

the chief theorist in the field has

pointed out that survivors of life abuse

closely resembles psychologically

survivors of prison camps

dr. Quintero what is your fee to testify

today for the defense my standard fee

twenty five hundred dollars a day and on

how many occasions have you testified in

a court of law on issues of

psychological abuse maybe 15 15 20 times

always for the defense well that's

because he's answered the question

doctor yes for the defense

the defendant looks very together

wouldn't you say

I don't think that I would use those

words but yes she puts up a good front

dr. Quintero this front included hosting

a television show in front of millions

of people every day wouldn't you say

that it's hard to believe that a woman

who could do that

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that's been playing the bull houses

since it first opened people have been

lining up this morning since 6 o'clock

for a chance to get into the courtroom

today you dressed what your client

understands even when your client is win

at least Freddy Franciscus doesn't have

any choice to beat the murder charge he

has to get the jury to see it from her

point of view right now that looks tough

but who knows Bob she may have some deep

dark secrets to reveal it's better be

good mateys you solemnly swear that the

testimony you're about to give will be

the truth the whole truth and nothing

but the truth so help you God

it did

would you say you were happily married

in the beginning we were in love and

what happened to change that my career

took off his floundered he was an

architect but he couldn't make it work

he had to close his firm

my show got an Emmy he started making

jokes about being mr. Atwoods

and then I found out he was having an

affair how did you find out I saw him

out with a girl at first he denied

everything even that he was there and

then he just blew up it was like an

eruption he screamed at me for hours

about the show and our sex life and then

what

he said that I was frigid and that I had

been from the start and that he didn't

holding his feelings in forever and then

he threw me down the bed and we had sex

did you consent to this he was my

husband I suppose I would have he was

very very upset you did consent I wasn't

asked after this incident did relations

with your husband change please you must

answer for the record yes in what way it

was like that from that on all the time

I had to go away we did the show from

London for a month

one night I called home and a woman

answered the phone our times this here

was back to in the morning a 2:00 in the

morning a woman answered the telephone

in your house in the bedroom was private

number there's no extension on that line

she put Greg on the phone he was

laughing

laughing

I said he had to stop seeing other women

and that we should see a marriage

counselor what was his reaction to that

he locked me in the bedroom he made me

call the studio and say I was sick he

took out the phone he kept me there for

a week he brought other women to the

house and he made me watch while they

had sex and then he

he made me have sex with him together

if my mother called or my sister he'd

stand it over me until I hung up the

phone and then he'd yell at me about

them he said I was too close to my

family I couldn't have anything to do

with him that they disturbed me too much

and did you obey Him yes eventually I

lost all contact with them and he became

quite alone

and you never considered a divorce yes I

did

by then I just wanted to get away I went

to see a lawyer

were you able to discuss this with your

husband yes I got up my courage and I

told him I wanted to divorce and what

did he say he didn't say anything he

left and when he came back he had a gun

I never brought it up again

so you were no longer having sexual

relations not often he moved out of the

bedroom he was sleeping guest room when

he was at home sometimes that wake up

and they'd be on top of me we'd have sex

and when he was finished you tell me how

much better Jane Carla was than me and

how could I expect a woman my age to

make him feel anything and then what

would happen and then they'd go into one

of us all-night rages except now it was

changing he started saying he couldn't

fight off the urge to kill me he began

telling me that we couldn't go on like

this

that it wasn't a stable situation that's

what he said a stable situation

and what did you take that to mean that

he was gonna kill me yeah one night I

couldn't stand being afraid anymore

so you'll know where you were going yes

I found out where she lived so it's true

you went there with the intention to

kill your husband no not at all well why

else would you bring a loaded gun I

don't know I just you just went there

with it on a whim I didn't think I

hadn't slept for a week I remember I

went to my closet and I got the gun out

to use it isn't that true I probably

felt that if I got the gun it would make

him understand that I meant it that he

had to let me go that this could not go

on that had had to stop or you would

stop it by killing him no I never wanted

to kill him it just happened

it just happened yes

I got to the door and she opened the

door and I was shaking there was as if I

was outside my body watching it or more

like my body was moving without me

I followed his voice and then I saw

he was in her bed

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and he was he was very surprised

and he was left

and then I heard this exposure

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you want to take a break miss applet now

I'm sorry

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if the gun went off and he was dead

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if you need anything have your Foreman

put it in writing some will be just

outside the door for as long as it takes

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it's okay unless you get right I mean

there's no particular who is our Foreman

for person

the judge said we're supposed to elect

someone who wants to bother with it

let's just make it the dude in the

number one chair yeah that's you pal you

know it's gonna come in handy that's not

how you elect someone all right so I

nominate uh Carl there what's his name

in the first chair hey second that this

is ridiculous this is something we

should talk about so you can elect some

lady that was crying in there when she

was understand no way Sisson about men

against women

I think barrel has a point I think Alice

should be foreperson or barrel are you

kidding she had her mind made up before

this thing even started I don't see what

gives you the right mr. Ramos that's

uncalled for

all right man I'm sorry to her yeah I'm

sorry I think we're gonna have enough to

argue about why don't we just let mr.

Weber be Foreman I mean he's in the

first chair and then I won't be a

victory for anyone I won't fight it but

if he can't let's just cross that bridge

and we get to it come on let's all sit

down I don't know why I'm saying this

sorry mr. Weber your purse and carry on

all right well that's a good idea

let's do it mrs. Bell says and everybody

um sir

it is imperative that we follow the

judges instructions therefore not guilty

is not an option since the defendant

admitted to the shooting we have to find

a guilty of something you better believe

it I think we should be orderly Carl and

I suggest that if someone has something

to say they should raise her well that's

a good idea and I think we should do

that all right

according to the judges instructions

then our choices would be between

first-degree murder second-degree murder

and voluntary manslaughter manslaughter

that's like nothing she'd probably get

off with time served

excuse me ieave yeah look she's been in

the joint almost a year right they gave

her two years you take off the good time

in a month or two she's gonna walk right

out of there

we're pretty saying wait a minute

according to the judge we are not

supposed to consider this thing hey come

on that's what this is all about either

the lady does sometime or she walks okay

they didn't go for lethal injection

that's the only question there is here

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no we said no raising our hands would be

the thing I think the secret ballot we

should abandon that it's a waste of

paper everybody's gonna have to really

say what they think at some point we

might as well start that right now I

think we'll go around the table you look

at a problem with that mrs. Bell would

you be good enough to start us on well

um I don't think it was first-degree

murder because I don't think that the

state proved that she premeditated her

intent to kill him and when she bring

the gun for then to turn the hedges

sister in I think she was pushed beyond

a breaking point and by the night of the

shooting she wasn't capable of forming

any meaningful intent so I I would say

it's manslaughter that's exactly the

point

manslaughter not guilty what what is

this no no baby not guilty is not an

option we covered that already we don't

have to obey the judge's instructions we

can follow our conscience that's not

true we took an oath according to the

evidence and the instructions of the

court it also said a true and just

verdict those might not be the same and

who decides that I'm sorry I have to

agree with horse we got to do what the

judge said a jury can do whatever it

wants its called jury nullification oh

she's a lawyer I'm not a lawyer sure as

hell ain't no judge not even a judge can

overturn our verdict come on why do you

think they gave us that power and what

we're gonna say that she didn't do

nothing mr. Ramos are you saying that we

can say that she didn't do nothing I'm

just pointing out that the judge does

not tell us everything I don't think

that we should be talking about this now

why not because we may get to a point

where it never even matters let's just

see where we stand first

exactly let's get back to the vote oh

wait that's true

well I kinda think what Alice said

before was right so manslaughter

that's right manslaughter there was no

intent not like somebody planning

something all right well I I'm the

foreman I'm going to abstain plus I have

made up my mind um mr. wolf well I just

hope this doesn't come down to a

boy-girl thing because move a dozen hi I

kind of agree with some women

manslaughter manslaughter we all crazy

she didn't plan nothing and she put one

right between his eyes

it's murder one no two ways I don't know

if things were as simple as Rafael says

there may be it's second degree murder

second degree how could be second degree

hearing I'm sure it was premeditated I

don't know I'm just not comfortable with

first but it is murder that's what I'm

saying

it's a second yeah I think it's sorry I

think it's immense lot

well I guess is my time like Carl I'm

not decided I am fairly certain that

it's not murder one oh god man these

ladies are dead but I'm pretty certain

that it could be murdered too but if I

had to vote right now

I couldn't vote for manslaughter so

where does that leave us

what's all that second we have one for

outright acquittal seven for

manslaughter one for first-degree two

per second and one undecided so what do

we do now mr. Weber

try to understand the issue this isn't

an issue it's a murder that's the whole

point it isn't you have to understand no

we don't have to understand nothing the

only thing we have to understand are the

facts I know it must be hard for you but

if you put yourself in her shoes

nobody's shopping for shoes here that's

pretty cool man

shopping for shoes don't be so strict

right it's all right

no it's not all right you're so smug and

superior we have to at least make an

effort to understand her state of mind

hey I don't give a damn about her state

of mind the only thing we're supposed to

understand are the facts that's a sort

of myopic idiocy I expect from him but

you could show a little more initiative

excuse me Farrell can I talk to you over

here for a minute

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you know when you talk to them like that

you only make them dig their heels in

deeper they're already dug in over their

heads are you gonna change it do you

really think that you can get through to

Raphael by talking to him like that

he'll come around when Horace and Noland

do you know what tough guys are like

it's not all write them over they're

talking by themselves about that I think

maybe we should have a smoking policy in

place she's right and the way the judge

explained the difference in the charges

is in her frame of mind oh man don't you

start that too I don't agree with him

that's not what I'm saying

but we have to examine what she was

thinking it's exactly what the defense

wants you to do they want you to forget

the facts yeah you know what they all

think they're abused now if we let this

one get away with it they're all gonna

have guns is that what you want is that

what this is about

hmm keeping our women in line

isn't it

we're just wasting time people she went

in there she killed him and that's

murderer

killing isn't necessarily murder don't

win your Nobel Peace Prize there okay no

one takes that coffee pot things it hits

me in the head I die that's murder not

if you've provoked her so badly it

drives her nuts and everyone else she

can't stand any more she picks up the

coffeepot she hits you over the head and

it accidentally kills you

that's manslaughter she should just make

him drink it that would do it

listen Nolan like this morning at

breakfast she decided that first chance

she got you alone beat you to death with

a coffee pot don't you get it that's

what state of mind means okay but you

can't ever know that what she meant to

do but it sounds as though you agreed

that her state of mind is important yeah

well great now you all right we want to

know what a state of mind was right

so let's reconstruct what happened from

her point of view and what we're gonna

get in touch with our inner feelings we

should get the floor plans the gun

everything okay it's the night of the

crime she's getting ready for bed she's

just had a shower so she's coming out of

the bathroom I'm trying not to think

about him okay about where he is oh man

this is so lame no it's not shut up I'm

thinking I'm all alone she looks in the

closet she's got this nice nightgown

only what if he comes home and sees her

in it that could set him off she's

thinking how he makes her hate being

pretty you're making this all up he's

got nothing to do with it yes it does

keep going and then she suddenly knows

she just can't take it anymore she just

has to make him understand that it has

to stop she goes to his room and gets

the gun

plus I'm I'm in a nice sort of days I

don't I was told a gun was in heracross

we don't remember that you know I don't

think the side conversations are

appropriate I think if somebody has

something to say that you say it's

almost in here okay thank you

actually I think that Yvonne has

something to say

she said the gun was in her closet I

remember that because I wondered then

why

his gun was in her closet maybe because

he put it in there what difference does

it make I don't know all right then

let's move on okay she can wait a minute

this is bothering me too

hey you know what maybe she said that

closet like so I got it from the closet

yeah I know I remember what she said she

said my closet

why else would you bring a loaded gun

answer I don't know I just questioned

you went there with it on a whim answer

I didn't think I hadn't slept for a week

I remember I went to my closet and I got

the gun app

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I understand any of this her closet his

closet what difference does it make I

think we should get back to going

through it her state of mind yeah you

would look what I want to know is are we

supposed to talk about this closet but

no it is not necessary to insult

everyone okay it just so happens that

Yvonne was right

and you was wrong I wasn't insulting

nobody I just said it was a stupid point

no you're a stupid man I'm sick and

tired of him pushing everyone around

what is pushing anybody around except

for maybe this one with her

he makes me hate myself for being pretty

all right mister how come you never do

anything why do the foreman you just sit

there you let him fight like that where

am I supposed to go it's not my job

you're not even trying you just sit

there you write all the time

one with her make me hate pretty be Oh

mister fact didn't have his facts right

I'm allowed to take boobs Yvonne

heavily accented English old-fashioned

hairdo your love take notes if you're on

a jury you can take notes it's not about

the trial is it what are you doing I

mean what am i doing what are you

getting your stuff together for the big

bestseller is that it don't you start

picking on me is that what you are doing

there's not one person in this room who

hasn't thought the same thing as me and

that is the truth

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want my book here

sewer catchy it's the waiver I've had

the opportunity to examine your notebook

and I'd like you to explain the purpose

of these notes purpose I would I thought

they would help me help you in reaching

a verdict may I remind you mr. Weber

that you could face perjury charges if

you knowingly give false answers to this

court I know

all's it is is like I was led to believe

that if I could take notes

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look I've never been involved in

anything like this this is an

opportunity

everybody knows the people who get

involved in be big cases they become

famous so why not me I wasn't gonna do

anything they would

I don't know I'm sorry your honor

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I'd like to stay really blew it man you

know that was like he was spying on us

okay

Hey what did you get for us huh

they're gonna throw us off right excuse

me

yeah thanks get a bunch of strangers

cooped up together

you're doing great look how you

confronted Carl oh yeah that but I can't

I mean you think it all through you know

and you're smart but sometimes I just

can't follow at all you have this much

right to your thoughts as anyone else in

that room

what thoughts I'm just confused all

confused don't sell yourself short

yeah I know but barely you know she

she's got it all straight in her head

and you you you can analyze these things

Neverland Harris and all the others I

just I just I can't do the kind of

analyzation you're a good and decent man

that's what being on a jury is about

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okay looks like you got a new Foreman

maybe now we can get this thing settled

I'm Larry Millan I like to run a pretty

tight ship and the first thing I think

we got to do is get ourselves up to

speed

I'm not certain your as a foreman mr.

Moran well this little Carl was and I'm

his replacement we've made a mistake

before we're not going to make it again

I nominate Ellis Bell

oh come on there's only one person in

this room who has not best everybody

else office sometime or not the come on

let's do those fans thank you okay thank

you hey yeah I just want to say one

thing

I'll shut up all of you have talked a

lot about this

you all know where you stand I just want

to tell you where I stand I'm married I

have two kids and on occasion I have

cheated on my wife I know if it's okay

to shoot a man for that I'm gonna help a

lot of trouble anyone else have any

confessions they want to make I don't

have confession but I do have a question

and since you seem to have some

experience with infidelity I guess

you're the one I should ask okay far

away have you ever had a really big

fight with your wife Pope Catholic you

ever moved into a spare room yeah I have

been known to do that on occasion

where's this going counselor do you take

your things let me explain something

together madam Foreman when you move out

of your wife's bedroom it's a big deal I

mean it's very dramatic you are making a

point so believe me if you go through an

act like that you don't want to come

crawling back in the morning looking for

your socks yeah damn right you take your

stuff don't you take your gun

the gun that you've threatened her with

would you leave it in the closet

no no of course I don't weigh all right

she said she was confused maybe she went

into his room what difference does it

make possible but she seemed pretty

clear about the closet even when she was

confused I don't understand

I mean did you just say that you

couldn't have the gun in her closet

uh-huh when he moved out of their room

he would have taken his gun you're

saying he wouldn't have left his gun in

the closet but he did leave it in the

closet

that doesn't make any sense look Nolan

he would have taken this gun when he

moved out of the room right but now we

know that he didn't take his gun so what

you think that means that must mean one

out of two things either he never moved

out of the room or it wasn't his guy so

then all that stuff about him bringing a

gun home and threatening her with it

that isn't true can it's possible that

Larry here's theories on male behavior

aren't binding on everyone

Yeah right it could be he threatened to

kill her with a gun and then left it for

her in the closet

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now look it could be that this man was

just playing games with her head right I

mean that's what she said and if that's

right then what happened couldn't be

helped that's what I keep telling you

yes barrel but that is only one could be

it could also be that this woman just

wanted out of a lousy marriage and in no

way was she gonna pay him no alimony

excuse me

yes Siobhan I had an uncle back home

everybody said he ran around on his wife

but I lived with them and I knew the man

was a saint Oh what is this we're not

talking about another country there was

a trial in this country we're the jury

the judge said Vicki drawing on our own

personal experiences what experienced

some Saint in the old country I don't

want to hear about it he was a good man

that's all what I'm saying

people say things about someone but

but it doesn't it doesn't make it true

that doesn't mean anything now why don't

we all just agree to shut up if we don't

have anything to say it's got something

to do with what's going on here look at

that what the hell is the matter with

you treating her like that

Oh mr. tact talking it's not the same

thing why isn't it

because I don't have to be tactful I'm

not trying to convince anyone of

anything

excuse me are you saying that we all

have to cater to yourself that's what it

comes down to lady I'm even more solid

for murder one than I was before so you

girls are gonna have to convince me or

we're gonna be here one damn long time

maybe you're gonna have to convince us

girls if I want to do but I don't it's

not my thing

that is the most typical arrogant

infuriating to shoot him what I would

vote on that one it's not funny

I'm not sure she could hit him anyway

what are you talking about I mean when

Atwood we're trying to get into her

state of mind right well she said she

was upset and shaking but she hit him

right below the eye with only one shot

he's not so hard it ain't easy you want

to hit a bull's eye your arms gotta be

fully extended and steady it could take

me a whole clip you gotta be cool calm

and collected that's a very good point

Fletcher no it's not it's irrelevant all

she had to do is point and shoot Oh

could you do it she was only 15 feet

away so do it here

pick up the gun you shoot me what come

on it's not loaded wait a minute I don't

know any of them you don't touch it you

think it's so easy come on put your

money where your damn mouth

ah you idiot right here we go I'm in the

bed you come in the room I see you I put

up my hands you shoot come on go for it

this is stupid come on do it

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to me okay

so you shut the lamp you shot my knee

you shot my girlfriend's pussycat but

you missed my head

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you okay yes so to kill him in one shot

she hadn't heard she was doing it's like

I said before she's a stone killer No

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on a Sally

dr. Quintero said she was in a state of

atomic ISM and when herself said she

left her body you know it's like a car

accident

things happen in slow motion

and everything's very clear

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murder first-degree miss Edgewood is not

telling us the truth is that

first-degree murder first-degree you

know where I stand

I don't think anything's changed I'm

still with manslaughter

I think it's first degree

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well before I was I was convinced she

was abused but now I'm not so sure I'd

have to say I'm leaning towards murder

that's definitely all and now woman's

story I don't think I could vote for

manslaughter now I don't know maybe

Alice is right

Oh can't you think for yourself I don't

believe her story anymore that's for me

for myself okay nothing's changed for me

same with me

manslaughter murder one

okay

and get pretty rough in there can it at

least with rough I know where I stand

it's not personal

we're all just trying to do the right

thing you know something when a woman

gets messed over everybody turns honor

the women the first selfie you think is

going on in there look I'm not saying

she has a right to kill anyone I'm

saying when a woman is pushed far enough

sometimes she breaks and we can't judge

people have suffered like that the way

that we judge people haven't that's

right yeah

but what if she hasn't what if she's

lying barrel then that she's cheating

every single woman who is abused no okay

maybe she didn't tell the whole truth

about the gun no maybe she exaggerated a

few other things but if she shot the man

you know he gave her a good reason now

maybe you're prepared to forget that but

I am not hit her pattern let's get at

her

okay let me ask you guys a question how

can you just ignore what he did to her

oh man here we go again because you

don't know if it's true how do you know

it isn't how do you ever know for sure

if I had to guess um I'm not talking

about guesses I'm talking about what you

know beyond a reasonable doubt

reasonable doubt do you really believe

that woman proved that she was so abused

she doesn't have to prove a thing the

burden of proof is on the state she's

right the judgment was very clear on

that oh that's a bunch of garbage the

burden of proof is garbage no I mean

that they already proved that she offed

him huh she even said so now she wants

to come to us say oh I had a reason well

she's damn well got to prove that I

think we all have to decide whether the

abuse really happened because if she's

lying then she intended to kill him in

its murder that's right but if she was

so traumatized by him that she didn't

know what she was doing when she shot

him then it's manslaughter so whose side

are you on not on anybody's side

just lay off her she's just doing what

we're supposed to do so who are you now

her big protector or something what's

that supposed to mean

come on guys let's not get into this you

act like you don't even care whether she

was abused or not well I don't all I

know is that she planned the whole thing

out like I can't know that you can't

know whether she intended to kill him no

no no I don't have to know it

not like if I saw it come on the judge

heat he had to work for it you know it's

like when you see that the sidewalks wet

but you didn't actually see it raining

infer that's it all right so here we go

she gets herself a piece right I infer

she's got a mind to shoot him she puts

it in her pocket I am first she's gonna

shoot him that off she gets in her car

she drives over to where this other lady

lives I am first she's gonna shoot him

right now she goes in the bedroom she

shoots him bang right between the eyes I

am for premeditation and that's murder

one

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but why

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she wasn't abused why did she do it why

would a woman who had she had risk

everything

she can't want to give him a divorce Oh

she'd rather risk going to prison I mean

think about it

so she had to give him half of money big

deal what is that compared to having

your life destroyed anyway she went to a

divorce lawyer

no Naomi we're not allowed to consider

that testimony

Horace is right judge said so we have to

ignore that testimony he pretend you

don't know something it's kind of weird

I mean how could a woman like that kill

her husband

there is only one reason because he

drove her crazy with Tara Tasha if she

was so abused why didn't mr. Franciscus

have any other family or a friend

testified that they know something about

didn't you listen to dr. Quintero when

you were abused like that you don't talk

to anyone you're isolated because you're

so ashamed he kind of see it any way you

want it's really confusing I had a

friend she was beaten up a lot by her

boyfriend and I didn't know but I knew

you know you see that's what I'm talking

about right there I don't care how

isolated you are

somebody has got to know something maybe

what you don't know is the secret hell

she know we don't but listen this is

where I'm coming from okay we people

have got to agree that we are not gonna

kill each other you know what I'm saying

and is it's just basic it is basic to

being a human being am i right so if I

go to somebody now and I say hey I just

killed the guy but you can't blame me

cuz I was so messed up in my head that I

was no longer functioning person well

honey then I have got to show that you

know I'm saying I have got to prove it

honey because either he got pain she got

pain pretty soon we all be shooting and

killing each other because baby

everybody got Hey

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excuse me

I'm changing my verdict first-degree

murder

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there's just the two of them left Berlin

the one with the kneading why don't we

zero in on the one with the Knitting no

in man I'm just trying to get us out of

here

this isn't result to reasonable

discussion excuse me gentlemen if you

care to join us we could get started

yesterday mr. Ramos Ramos Ramos said he

was in the minority and the rest of us

had to convince him things have moved

around a lot since then

I think Braille and I should just sit

here and listen to what the rest you

have to say

okay I don't think a crack at the gunner

closet not his gun the fact she was in

control nailed him with one shot

the mistress testified at what said she

was gonna kill her too

I can't trust her word okay okay

when atwood testified she implied that

her husband was sleeping with all kinds

of women but when the mistress testified

she said that their relationship had

been going on for like more than three

years he has a mistress for three years

and you make it sound like it's

something good he did no no that's not

what I'm saying what I'm saying is they

didn't cross-examine her they didn't ask

her about other women yeah but she knew

believe me when you cheat on your

mistress she knows just like your wife

but the point is if the defense didn't

ask her is because they didn't want us

to hear the answer so simple fact is he

may not have been faithful to his wife

but he was not as I say sleek around

where are you protecting that man's

reputation she was in that tramps

apartment when he was shot she was a

useless cheating deceiving hey what is

it with you you haven't you don't you or

something what's your problem

her husband's dead

oh geez hey I'm sorry I didn't mean I

mean I didn't know hey look I'm sorry

okay well you talk to women you should

be ashamed they've been married for 27

years and I it's wrong well

we were married 41 years I was 16 years

old when I met him I never knew another

man he was a good husband a good

provider we tried to have children but

didn't work so we settled into that just

George and me that was all we needed

really in 41 years they never once gave

me cause to doubt I'm just always

shooting off my mouth you know I didn't

mean nothing year and a half ago he had

a stroke it's very bad

all he can do is light look into my eyes

thank God he had another and he was gone

but I still had that to hold on to I

still had those 41 years

mr. Mouse you know what I found out he

was running around you want to know when

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at his funeral

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she came to his funeral woman

because she loved him she said because

he loved her she said she hated all

these years and she didn't want to hide

it anymore

as if she had some rights here what

right

what right did she have to take away

those 41 years and what could I do to

her she was dipped

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yeah

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it's murder

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god help it's what I would have done but

it's still murder

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doesn't it bother you that she lied

about the gun some that she was telling

the truth about the relationship none of

her friends know anything about it I

told you when people are treated like

that they don't want anyone to know

Beryl you've been had you just don't

want to hear no you've been had all of

you men can do whatever they want we're

supposed to take it some drunken slob

beats his wife to death that's sudden

anger whatever the lawyers call it but

when she can't stand it anymore

crouching in a corner terrified waiting

that makes what she does

premeditated and she goes to jail for

the rest of her life I am sick of it and

this is my chance to put it right this

isn't a political trial Oh God of course

it is and what's the political message

you're trying to send you can only push

a woman so far how's that fine I can see

that if her story's true it is and if

you don't buy that then we go into that

court and we tell the judge we are a

hung jury it's fine bitch don't listen

to anything anyway ade Bailey sit down

and watch your mouth

you just remember from the very

beginning I've been where you people are

just getting to yes but for all the

wrong reasons we have all been sitting

here struggling to find the truth while

you had your mind made up from the start

and even though we've come to the same

verdict as you does not make your

behavior acceptable it's alright we're

fine

I want to know something Beryl is this a

crusade with you are you sticking with

not guilty because some women are abused

no because she was and if she wasn't I

just want to know where we stand

if she was making it up and it is murder

okay

look I'm sorry for Mickey will go

through this what you don't seem to get

is what women experience it is like

being in a concentration camp

just like that psychologist said the one

dr. Quintero quoted dr. Susan Trueblood

and I don't understand why you can't see

that how did you remember that

her name she was on TV she's like this

huge woman she was on Oprah

when Atwood on Donahue I think the woman

whose theories Quintero's work is based

on was on the win at wood shelf about a

year ago and Donna you before he was

canceled what did she say on when Edward

well it was about the tragedy of wife

abuse one woman ran over her husband and

dr. Trueblood said I don't know whatever

dr. Quintero said you know like

self-esteem and all that sleepwalking

stuff I like that that's why I heard it

she talked to her barrel she would have

had her books done the research she

would have known exactly what to say

maybe when she did that show it was a

chance to understand more about what she

was going through barrel if she could

understand that meant she was rational

she wasn't lost in despair she had

alternatives I think you know that

I can't betray every woman not this is

one very specific woman lied

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as the jury reached a verdict yes your

honor we have as to the charge of murder

in the first degree I'll say we find the

defendant guilty as charged

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Ellis Bell is this your verdict yes it

is

Fletcher Lowe is this your verdict yes

yes it is

Naomi button is this your verdict yes

Raphael Ramos is this your verdict

yeah yes

Noland James is this your verdict

that's my verdict he's gone mahalik is

this your verdict yes Horace the Fanus

is this your verdict yes it is

first-degree murder

guilty Lawrence Milan is this your

verdict murder first-degree yes

Gladys McKenzie is this your verdict

is it is Beryl Granger is this your

verdict yes

Stephani true is this your verdict

that's right yeah Evelyn Harris is this

your verdict

first degree murder yes

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well it was totally crazy everybody was

smiling and stuff

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so people were really had weird

attitudes if it wasn't for me

they were gonna

free but arrested the story

I was hard you know I felt for a bit

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hey Alice hey maybe I'll see you

sometime

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yeah maybe

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