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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,304 --> 00:00:05,942 What are they saying about Bush? 2 00:00:06,106 --> 00:00:07,551 Does he deserve reelection? 3 00:00:07,774 --> 00:00:11,051 And here are the numbers. Forty-five percent say yes... 4 00:00:11,278 --> 00:00:13,451 0,49 percent say no. 5 00:00:13,647 --> 00:00:15,786 Democrats, 84 percent say no. 6 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:18,190 Eighty-four percent of Republicans say yes. 7 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:22,162 Independents, 51 percent now say he does not deserve reelection. 8 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:25,030 - That's a red flag. - And what about for John Kerry? 9 00:00:25,225 --> 00:00:27,034 - Is that good news? - It should be. 10 00:00:27,227 --> 00:00:30,003 Look at John Kerry's numbers, Tom. Positive-negative. 11 00:00:30,197 --> 00:00:33,508 Positive 38 percent, negative 38 percent. 12 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:35,908 This thing is still a toss-up. 13 00:00:35,932 --> 00:00:44,032 Fixed & Synced by bozxphd.Enjoy The Flick 14 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:48,083 Mr. Hibey will see you now. 15 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:50,551 Thank ya... 16 00:00:50,851 --> 00:00:52,694 Ms. Mapes. 17 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:55,999 I'm Dick Hibey. What can I do for you? 18 00:00:56,189 --> 00:00:58,533 Oh, I think you know. 19 00:00:59,059 --> 00:01:01,699 - You knit? - You don't expect a woman like me... 20 00:01:01,895 --> 00:01:04,603 - to knit? - No. But it's good. It's helpful. 21 00:01:04,831 --> 00:01:07,744 Yeah. You mean it blunts my radical feminist agenda. 22 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:11,883 - Do you have a radical feminist agenda? - You meet a lot of radical leaders? 23 00:01:12,773 --> 00:01:15,049 Do you have a substance abuse problem? 24 00:01:15,208 --> 00:01:16,778 I'm working on developing one. 25 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:18,921 - I'm serious. - Oh, so am I. 26 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:21,251 You came to me. If you're not up for this... 27 00:01:21,448 --> 00:01:24,918 I've been in news for 20 years. Won two Emmys, broke Abu Ghraib... 28 00:01:25,118 --> 00:01:29,066 done jail time for not revealing sources. I have neither a feminist agenda... 29 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:32,362 nor a substance abuse problem. Though I'm gonna take a Xanax... 30 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:34,732 because this is really freaking me out. 31 00:01:36,363 --> 00:01:38,138 Get any water? 32 00:01:48,642 --> 00:01:50,212 - Thanks. - You have to be ready... 33 00:01:50,377 --> 00:01:53,654 - for questions like that. - I'm up for this. 34 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:00,795 There's an interesting recurring theme... 35 00:02:00,954 --> 00:02:02,661 - to the stories you cover. - Mm-hm. 36 00:02:02,889 --> 00:02:05,665 - People abusing their power. - I don't like bullies. 37 00:02:06,493 --> 00:02:07,836 Tell me about your work. 38 00:02:09,296 --> 00:02:11,674 You wanna know if I'm responsible for what happened. 39 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:14,642 - Aren't you? - Look, I did my job. Believe me. 40 00:02:14,835 --> 00:02:16,337 I don't have to believe you. 41 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:20,245 What matters is that they believe you. Now, tell me about your work. 42 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:26,925 I'm the producer. I find the story. 43 00:02:27,114 --> 00:02:30,618 I put the team together. I write and cut the piece. 44 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:32,819 I work at 60 Minutes. 45 00:02:33,020 --> 00:02:34,966 And what's that like? 46 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:38,859 Which one of you ordered the duck? 47 00:02:39,092 --> 00:02:40,696 - That would be Tom. - Napkin. 48 00:02:40,861 --> 00:02:42,863 - Thank you. Thank you. - Fatso. 49 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:46,443 - They're gonna run it this time? - They're gonna run it. 50 00:02:46,967 --> 00:02:50,278 - Because you said that last week. - They're gonna run it, Roger. 51 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:52,814 Hey, uh, you want me to paint it out like this? 52 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:57,216 Oh, Jesus, no, it makes his genitals look like they were attacked by mad cubists. 53 00:02:57,377 --> 00:02:58,447 Um... 54 00:02:58,612 --> 00:03:01,559 Maybe you could just kind of darken the area. 55 00:03:01,782 --> 00:03:03,318 Okay. Ahem. 56 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:04,719 Like that? 57 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:10,067 Okay, now it just looks like there's a black hole there. 58 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:12,197 From which no light can escape. 59 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:14,066 They're really gonna run it? 60 00:03:14,294 --> 00:03:15,671 Because Sy Hersh has this... 61 00:03:15,862 --> 00:03:18,866 and he's gonna write a story about how we've sat on it. 62 00:03:19,066 --> 00:03:23,071 Dana, can you tell Roger they're gonna run it, then hit him for me, will you'! 63 00:03:23,303 --> 00:03:25,010 I gotta go grab him. 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,919 Can you finish it? Mm-hm. 65 00:03:27,541 --> 00:03:31,489 He was the first journalist to report John F. Kennedy had been shot. 66 00:03:32,913 --> 00:03:37,726 He described the Zapruder film in detail to a nation... 67 00:03:38,218 --> 00:03:40,027 that was not allowed to see it. 68 00:03:40,487 --> 00:03:43,593 Became White House correspondent at the age of 33... 69 00:03:43,824 --> 00:03:46,168 chief London correspondent a year later... 70 00:03:46,359 --> 00:03:50,899 and brought the Vietnam War into American living rooms for the first time. 71 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:55,269 He covered the Russians in Afghanistan, the hostages in Iran... 72 00:03:55,502 --> 00:03:59,279 and in 1981, became anchor of the CBS Evening News. 73 00:03:59,506 --> 00:04:01,918 He's now anchored more nightly news broadcasts... 74 00:04:02,109 --> 00:04:05,215 than anyone else in U.S. history. 75 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:09,185 That's no! Bad for the son of a ditch-digger from Wharton, Texas. 76 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:12,590 Ladies and gentlemen, I give you my friend... 77 00:04:12,953 --> 00:04:17,095 and the reason I have this job, Dan Rather. 78 00:04:27,234 --> 00:04:30,078 Long enough to give us a great market share, I'll tell you. 79 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:33,808 - It's been a real pleasure. Real pleasure. - Hey, Andrew, I need him. 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,748 - Well, you're not taking him. - You say that, but here I am. 81 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:39,117 - You got him? - Mm-hm. In a hotel two blocks up. 82 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:42,052 - Let's go. - Dan, you can't leave your own party. 83 00:04:42,249 --> 00:04:44,820 - I got 50 affiliates and their wives... - I know. 84 00:04:45,051 --> 00:04:47,657 - Waiting to talk with you. Goddamn it. - I know. 85 00:04:47,888 --> 00:04:50,992 You wanna finish this off'? I've had three. 86 00:04:51,018 --> 00:04:51,793 Mary. 87 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:54,299 I'll take that for you, Mr. Hayward. 88 00:04:54,795 --> 00:04:55,830 You know? 89 00:04:56,062 --> 00:04:58,133 General. This is Dan Rather. 90 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:01,906 - General. - Sir. 91 00:05:02,102 --> 00:05:04,241 Thank you for doing this. 92 00:05:09,075 --> 00:05:10,520 Let's start from the beginning. 93 00:05:26,860 --> 00:05:29,932 Americans did this to an Iraqi prisoner. 94 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:33,270 According to the Army, the man was told to stand on a box... 95 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:36,346 his head covered with wires attached to his hands. 96 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:40,513 He was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted. 97 00:05:40,707 --> 00:05:42,948 It was this picture and dozens of others... 98 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:45,851 that prompted an investigation by the U.S. Army. 99 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,322 Yesterday, we asked General Mark Kimmitt... 100 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,291 deputy director of coalition operations in Iraq... 101 00:05:51,484 --> 00:05:52,622 what went wrong. 102 00:05:52,819 --> 00:05:55,732 Every day we love our soldiers, but frankly... 103 00:05:55,956 --> 00:05:58,800 some days we're not always proud of our soldiers. 104 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,000 The military says six American soldiers... 105 00:06:02,162 --> 00:06:03,362 have been charged so far... 106 00:06:03,496 --> 00:06:05,737 and could be court-martialed. Others higher... 107 00:06:05,899 --> 00:06:08,573 min the chain of command will likely be disciplined. 108 00:06:08,802 --> 00:06:12,750 I remember when you used to say "courage" at the end of every broadcast. 109 00:06:12,973 --> 00:06:15,977 - You remember that? - I remember. Do you remember'? 110 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:17,678 You must be very old. 111 00:06:17,878 --> 00:06:20,415 - Why'd you stop? - They made fun of him, that's why. 112 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:22,184 - No. - No, they did. 113 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:23,918 - Seriously. Imagine? - Oh, yeah. 114 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:26,096 Go on, give us a "courage," Dan. 115 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,356 - No, come on. Mary. - Come on, just one. 116 00:06:28,555 --> 00:06:30,034 - For me. - I don't think so. 117 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,260 - For me, for me. - Come on. 118 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:33,994 Just a little one. 119 00:06:36,263 --> 00:06:37,333 Cum-Ha, ha. 120 00:06:37,497 --> 00:06:40,103 - Come on, please. - Come on. 121 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:43,280 - You really want it? - I want it too, yeah. 122 00:06:43,503 --> 00:06:44,538 Courage. 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,852 - Well, it worked at one time. - It did. It did. 124 00:06:52,178 --> 00:06:55,682 Hey. Here's to a great story. 125 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:57,724 Yeah, once they finally ran it. 126 00:06:57,918 --> 00:06:59,022 - Yeah. - F.E.A. 127 00:06:59,219 --> 00:07:01,358 F.E.A. 128 00:07:03,723 --> 00:07:06,431 We're sitting here with Mommy. Thank you for being here. 129 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,400 No. Thank you for having me. 130 00:07:09,596 --> 00:07:12,941 Mommy, you were away for a long time again. 131 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:15,238 - Mm-hm. - What were you doing? 132 00:07:15,402 --> 00:07:17,439 I was in New York working on the news. 133 00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:19,645 And what does that entail? 134 00:07:19,873 --> 00:07:23,446 I was asking questions. Questions help reporters get to the truth. 135 00:07:23,643 --> 00:07:26,624 - Were you with the men with the cameras? - Mm-hm. 136 00:07:27,881 --> 00:07:29,053 Interesting. 137 00:07:31,284 --> 00:07:32,936 Can I have a new camera, please? 138 00:07:32,962 --> 00:07:35,314 We'll have to talk to your dad about that. 139 00:07:35,488 --> 00:07:37,946 I'm trying to get to the truth here, Mommy. 140 00:07:37,972 --> 00:07:38,585 Mm-hm. 141 00:07:38,758 --> 00:07:40,260 Answer the question. 142 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,899 I think this interview is over. 143 00:07:43,096 --> 00:07:45,303 - Okay. - Nice try. 144 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:47,172 President Bush said today... 145 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:49,507 he was disgusted by pictures of Iraqi prisoners... 146 00:07:49,669 --> 00:07:51,910 being abused by American soldiers. 147 00:07:52,105 --> 00:07:54,085 Caused a bit of a ruckus, didn't you? 148 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:57,812 Who, me? You didn't let Robbie watch it, did you? 149 00:07:58,178 --> 00:08:00,658 Yes, because I'm the worst parent of all time. 150 00:08:00,847 --> 00:08:03,020 And the damage to U. S. interests... 151 00:08:03,249 --> 00:08:05,855 in the rest of the world is hard to calculate, but... 152 00:08:06,019 --> 00:08:09,626 - You wanna take a walk? - Here's Martha Raddatz. 153 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:12,834 No, I think I have to work. 154 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:18,605 Mary, thanks for coming in. Look, no big preamble. 155 00:08:18,798 --> 00:08:21,642 We love you. We love what you've done. It's... 156 00:08:21,935 --> 00:08:25,109 Let's talk about the new season. What are you thinking? 157 00:08:25,305 --> 00:08:28,184 I might have something for the election. 158 00:08:28,808 --> 00:08:31,550 There's this Houston businessman named Bill White... 159 00:08:31,778 --> 00:08:35,385 who claims that he has documents that show the bin Laden family... 160 00:08:35,615 --> 00:08:37,219 were investors in Arbusto. 161 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:39,862 Arbusto? Bush's oil company? 162 00:08:40,053 --> 00:08:44,229 You know, could just be lots of sound and fury, but Vanity Fair is into it too. 163 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,532 You know, that whole time period for Bush is funky. 164 00:08:47,727 --> 00:08:48,797 Funky how? 165 00:08:48,995 --> 00:08:51,134 Well, I did some work on it back in 2000. 166 00:08:51,297 --> 00:08:53,573 - You know Ben Barnes? - No. 167 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,837 Oh, he's an old Texas pol. 168 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:59,210 Barnes says when he was the speaker of the Texas House... 169 00:08:59,406 --> 00:09:01,352 in '68 during Vietnam... 170 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:04,488 Sid Adger, this big oilman, comes into his office... 171 00:09:04,677 --> 00:09:06,884 and asks for help getting George Bush... 172 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,321 into the National Guard as a pilot. 173 00:09:09,516 --> 00:09:12,019 And Poppy Bush at this point is a congressman... 174 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,562 and Barnes figures he can use the connections. 175 00:09:14,754 --> 00:09:19,362 So he says that he called General Rose, who runs the Texas Air National Guard... 176 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,061 and gets Bush his slot. 177 00:09:21,828 --> 00:09:23,068 Barnes told you this? 178 00:09:23,263 --> 00:09:26,039 Off the record. He's been dining out on the story for years. 179 00:09:26,332 --> 00:09:29,006 I call Buck Staudt, Bush's squadron commander... 180 00:09:29,202 --> 00:09:33,514 and he starts screaming at me, saying how Barnes is full of shit... 181 00:09:33,706 --> 00:09:38,212 because everybody knows he's the one who got Bush into the Guard, not Barnes. 182 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:43,121 Anyway, while Bush is in the Guard, he meets this guy named James Bath. 183 00:09:43,349 --> 00:09:44,919 And they become running buddies. 184 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:48,895 And after they get out, Bath, with no résumé to speak of... 185 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:51,399 becomes chief financial representative... 186 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:54,128 for the bin Laden family's interests in Texas. 187 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,898 Bush starts up Arbusto, Bath writes him a $50,000 check. 188 00:09:58,098 --> 00:10:01,807 Which your guy, White, claims is bin Laden money? 189 00:10:04,237 --> 00:10:08,117 Okay. Okay, run it down. 190 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:12,154 But if we go with this, we gotta go early. We can't October surprise them. 191 00:10:12,378 --> 00:10:16,258 All right. If you're into this, I'd like to bring in some other people to help. 192 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:17,951 Who? 193 00:10:18,151 --> 00:10:19,721 Colonel Roger Charles. 194 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:24,667 Worked Abu Ghraib for us. Naval Academy grad. 195 00:10:24,891 --> 00:10:27,497 Two tours at Vietnam, then the Pentagon. 196 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:32,838 When he's not working for us, he's trying to get better armor for troops in Iraq. 197 00:10:33,566 --> 00:10:34,601 Who else? 198 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:36,838 Well, since Dana's on maternity leave... 199 00:10:37,003 --> 00:10:38,607 I'd like Lucy Scott to run point. 200 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:42,275 She's a CBS veteran, journalism professor in Dallas. 201 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:44,921 What about this man, Mike Smith? 202 00:10:45,111 --> 00:10:47,891 Mikey cut his teeth working for Molly Ivins. 203 00:10:47,917 --> 00:10:50,449 He was a researcher for us back in 2000. 204 00:10:50,617 --> 00:10:53,188 Last I heard, he was a stringer for People.com. .. 205 00:10:53,419 --> 00:10:56,593 “Sneaking into parties to find out who's sleeping with who. 206 00:10:56,789 --> 00:11:00,703 Now, when you say "sport-fucking," he was just putting it to her for fun... 207 00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:04,306 or he's like actively attempting to compete at it? 208 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:08,638 It is a crack team. 209 00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:10,439 Trust me. 210 00:11:15,308 --> 00:11:17,618 You really gonna do it this time? 211 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:20,322 Your evil corporate overlords will let you? 212 00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:22,049 Good to see you too, Mikey. 213 00:11:22,282 --> 00:11:24,819 CBS is talking about closing foreign bureaus... 214 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:27,658 moving into more of a bullshit infotainment direction. 215 00:11:28,621 --> 00:11:31,500 They won't touch the news division, as long as Dan's there. 216 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:35,298 Dan's not gonna be there forever. They'll find a way to get the old man out. 217 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:40,171 Why did he even get into journalism if he's not gonna do the tough stories? 218 00:11:42,168 --> 00:11:43,476 How you doing, Mikey? 219 00:11:43,836 --> 00:11:45,907 Heh, heh... 220 00:11:46,072 --> 00:11:47,710 Um... 221 00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:50,413 I'm eating ramen three meals a day... 222 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,584 stealing cable. 223 00:11:54,414 --> 00:11:56,416 I could use a job. 224 00:11:58,851 --> 00:12:01,525 Come in, meet everybody. 225 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:07,369 Well, hell's bells, you brought me a hippy? 226 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,404 This is Mike Smith, we worked on this together in 2000. 227 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:13,373 - He has no social graces whatsoever. - That's true. 228 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:16,342 Your Arbusto tip, it's for shit. 229 00:12:16,536 --> 00:12:18,538 Bin Laden money never got near Bush. 230 00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:20,882 Okay. un... 231 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:22,280 What am I doing here? 232 00:12:23,176 --> 00:12:25,622 What you're looking at is George W. Bush's... 233 00:12:25,845 --> 00:12:27,950 entire Texas Air National Guard file. 234 00:12:28,181 --> 00:12:31,560 - You mean what's left of it, right? - That's affirmative. 235 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,458 Wait, wait, wait. 236 00:12:35,221 --> 00:12:37,701 You guys are doing a paper trail. 237 00:12:37,890 --> 00:12:40,461 Let me show you what we've got. 238 00:12:42,428 --> 00:12:45,068 It starts right here. 239 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:46,539 May 1968. 240 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:48,735 Bloodiest month of the Vietnam War. 241 00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:52,610 Bush is accepted into the Texas Air National Guard for pilot training. 242 00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:56,048 And if you believe Ben Barnes, he got Bush onto the waiting list. 243 00:12:56,242 --> 00:12:59,382 If there ever was a waiting list. Some say yes, some say no. 244 00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:02,651 Bush says he got in quickly because they were looking for pilots... 245 00:13:02,815 --> 00:13:05,921 which is bullshit with the pilots rotating back in from Vietnam. 246 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:07,462 And that's another thing. 247 00:13:07,654 --> 00:13:11,158 Training a National Guard pilot from start to finish, that's a huge rarity. 248 00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:13,234 - Why? - It's not cost-effective. 249 00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:14,837 Air National Guard jocks... 250 00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:18,167 they're former Air Force pilots who wanna maintain their ratings. 251 00:13:18,398 --> 00:13:21,311 Why spend a million bucks training some new pilot... 252 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:24,414 when you can get some guy the Air Force taught how to fly. 253 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:29,246 Only thing that makes Bush an attractive candidate is who he's connected to. 254 00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:31,854 Well, either way, he's in. 255 00:13:32,078 --> 00:13:34,684 He signs on for a six-year commitment. 256 00:13:34,914 --> 00:13:36,757 He does his pilot training at Moody... 257 00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:40,522 then he's assigned to the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron in Houston. 258 00:13:40,753 --> 00:13:43,495 Now, the record shows that he does really well here. 259 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:47,467 High marks at every rating period, until the spring of 1972... 260 00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:52,336 when he is suspended in writing for missing a routine physical. 261 00:13:52,532 --> 00:13:55,342 How does someone go from being a top-notch pilot... 262 00:13:55,535 --> 00:13:57,105 to not even taking a physical? 263 00:13:57,303 --> 00:14:01,308 Well, not only that, but he requests and he is granted... 264 00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:05,717 a reassignment to Alabama where he helps a friend on his senate campaign. 265 00:14:05,945 --> 00:14:08,949 Wait, so he disobeys an order and then they let him transfer? 266 00:14:09,148 --> 00:14:10,957 Oh, hey, it gets better. 267 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:13,960 From May 1972 to May 1973... 268 00:14:14,153 --> 00:14:18,624 the record shows there are no points registered on Bush's record. 269 00:14:18,825 --> 00:14:22,796 Points. They're like hours on a time card in the Guard. 270 00:14:22,995 --> 00:14:26,807 What it basically means is that Bush never even showed up. 271 00:14:26,999 --> 00:14:29,912 The Alabama commander, he has no recollection of him. 272 00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:32,412 No eyewitness can place him on that base. 273 00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:36,245 Find there is no paperwork to prove that he was ever there. 274 00:14:36,476 --> 00:14:39,480 So you're telling me that the president of the United Slates... 275 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,252 may have gone AWOL from the military for over a year? 276 00:14:43,483 --> 00:14:44,826 We have no proof of that. 277 00:14:47,153 --> 00:14:50,191 - What does the White House say? - That Bush served honorably... 278 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:52,700 and military records go missing all the time. 279 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:55,771 Military records do not go missing all the time. 280 00:14:55,995 --> 00:14:58,839 They're the military. They are good at shit. 281 00:14:59,031 --> 00:15:04,071 Now, the next time Bush appears on the official record is in July of 1973... 282 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:05,943 when he shows up for drills. 283 00:15:06,172 --> 00:15:09,346 And then in September of 1973... 284 00:15:09,542 --> 00:15:14,753 he requests and he is granted an early discharge. Why? 285 00:15:14,947 --> 00:15:19,293 So that he can attend Harvard Business School. 286 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,227 So he asks to quit nine months early and they just let him. 287 00:15:22,388 --> 00:15:25,028 So, what are the questions we're looking to answer? 288 00:15:25,224 --> 00:15:28,296 One, did Bush go into the Guard to avoid going to Vietnam? 289 00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:32,635 Not to be cynical, but who didn't try to get into the Guard to avoid 'Nam back then? 290 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:34,538 Me. 291 00:15:34,801 --> 00:15:37,975 Bush's trainer in the 147th said he wanted to go to Vietnam. 292 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:42,653 There's only one document that deals with that in the official record. 293 00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:47,381 On the question of desiring overseas transfer... 294 00:15:47,914 --> 00:15:48,949 Bush checked no. 295 00:15:49,148 --> 00:15:52,061 Bush's trainer said that must have been a mistake. 296 00:15:52,251 --> 00:15:56,063 - Because that's a question you get wrong. - Two, why did he skip his physical? 297 00:15:56,255 --> 00:15:59,998 Well, ifs not like he had a drug problem. He just liked the way it smelled. 298 00:16:00,226 --> 00:16:02,263 Okay, three. 299 00:16:02,462 --> 00:16:06,740 If someone did get him into the Guard, then who? 300 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,781 How the hell do we get them to go on the record? 301 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,779 Forty-one percent say... 302 00:16:12,939 --> 00:16:15,783 they want Mr. Bush reelected, while 51 percent don't. 303 00:16:15,942 --> 00:16:19,355 Is it that time of year again already... 304 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:25,120 when I have to fend off the advances of a beautiful woman such as yourself? 305 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:30,825 Governor, you got the president of the United States into the National Guard. 306 00:16:31,023 --> 00:16:34,436 I mean, my God, I find that very impressive. 307 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:37,507 Ha. It is impressive, isn't it? 308 00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:39,438 Come on TV, tell us all about it. 309 00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:42,375 Oh, we both knew if I ever said that... 310 00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:47,210 "about Texas' favorite son on camera, I'd be run out of Austin on a rail." 311 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,181 No, sorry, Mary. 312 00:16:49,375 --> 00:16:52,686 Johnny's gonna win this thing, anyway. 313 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,653 Barnes is still a no. Who's next? 314 00:16:57,116 --> 00:17:00,120 Colonel Jerry Killian. Bush's CO in the 111th. 315 00:17:00,319 --> 00:17:02,560 If anyone will know what really went on, he will. 316 00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:04,028 Small problem there. 317 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:06,396 - Which is? - Killian's dead. 318 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:07,727 Huh. 319 00:17:08,494 --> 00:17:11,202 - That's a pickle. - Who's next? 320 00:17:11,397 --> 00:17:12,535 General Buck Staudt. 321 00:17:12,732 --> 00:17:16,305 Former CO of Bush's 147th Interceptor Squadron. 322 00:17:16,502 --> 00:17:18,743 George was one of the best pilots I ever had. 323 00:17:18,971 --> 00:17:21,178 So Tm gonna respectfully invite you to go fuck yourself. 324 00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:24,649 General Bobby Hodges... 325 00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:28,587 succeeded Staudt as commander of the 147th, Killian's direct supervisor. 326 00:17:28,814 --> 00:17:30,487 My husband says... 327 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,011 no strings were pulled for him. 328 00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:34,392 Now, please stop calling our house. 329 00:17:36,722 --> 00:17:38,998 Maurice Udell, Bush's flight instructor. 330 00:17:39,191 --> 00:17:40,864 No strings were pulled for him. 331 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,460 I thought he'd be a great American and a great fighter pilot. 332 00:17:45,932 --> 00:17:47,377 Tom Honeycutt. 333 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:49,410 No strings were putted. 334 00:17:51,671 --> 00:17:52,877 Albert Lloyd. 335 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,272 No strings were putted. 336 00:17:55,541 --> 00:17:56,576 Motherf... 337 00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:00,521 Bill Hollowell. 338 00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:02,056 No strings were putted. 339 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:04,194 And even if they were, it's a non issue,. 340 00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:06,863 Hey! Hey! Move, you son of a bitch! 341 00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,273 It was like they were given talking points. 342 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:19,103 He was a great guy, no strings were pulled. 343 00:18:19,298 --> 00:18:22,768 Well, devil's advocate, Mary. What if no strings were pulled? 344 00:18:22,969 --> 00:18:25,279 You know who else was in the 147th? 345 00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:26,711 Lloyd Bentsen's son... 346 00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:29,477 John Connally's son, both of Sid Adger's sons... 347 00:18:29,709 --> 00:18:32,883 H.L. Hunt's grandson, the heirs to the Sakowitz fortune... 348 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,060 and half the starting line of the Dallas Cowboys. 349 00:18:36,248 --> 00:18:38,228 Yeah, I'm sure ifs just a coincidence. 350 00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:40,924 So, what's our next move? 351 00:18:42,922 --> 00:18:45,163 I have no idea. 352 00:18:46,092 --> 00:18:48,766 - I served with John Kerry. - I served with John Kerry. 353 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:52,408 Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam. 354 00:18:52,598 --> 00:18:53,770 He is lying about his record. 355 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,175 I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart... 356 00:18:57,403 --> 00:18:58,814 "because I treated him." 357 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,076 John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. 358 00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:02,874 I know, I was there, I saw what happened. 359 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:07,746 His account of what happened and what actually happened... 360 00:19:07,947 --> 00:19:10,518 are the difference between night and day. 361 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:12,286 Who is that? 362 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,294 My secret lover, go back to sleep. 363 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:17,593 Have you ever heard of Linda Starr? 364 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:18,958 Mm-hm. 365 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:22,696 She runs this website, it's like a Gearing house for anti-Bush stuff. 366 00:19:22,928 --> 00:19:27,001 She's hinting documents are gonna be leaked soon. 367 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:29,110 What kind of documents? 368 00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:32,138 Mary Mapes is on line two. 369 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:33,976 Thank you. 370 00:19:35,207 --> 00:19:37,483 - Mary. - I think we've got something. 371 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,782 Anti-Bush, Internet rabble-rouser. 372 00:19:39,979 --> 00:19:44,894 Oh, God, I talked to her for three hours, but she put me in touch with her source. 373 00:19:45,117 --> 00:19:47,324 A colonel who says he may have access... 374 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,126 to missing documents in Bush's purged Guard file. 375 00:19:50,289 --> 00:19:51,223 Sounds promising. 376 00:19:51,249 --> 00:19:53,887 I got Mike Smith talking to him right now. 377 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:56,904 - Milk? - Get a look at those documents. 378 00:19:57,129 --> 00:20:00,508 And do some background on the colonel, make sure he isn't nuts. 379 00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:06,343 Thank you. 380 00:20:06,672 --> 00:20:08,481 - Enjoy. - Thank you. 381 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:12,421 Ahem. No. I saw it. 382 00:20:12,812 --> 00:20:16,658 I saw it with my own two eyes. Those parts of Bush's file they didn't like... 383 00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:19,557 - they tossed in the wastebasket. - Do you have these? 384 00:20:19,752 --> 00:20:23,529 Bill tried to talk about this in 2000, someone ran us off the road one night. 385 00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:27,694 - I ain't scared of them. - Well, I am. I am scared. 386 00:20:28,194 --> 00:20:32,609 All right, uh, let's say I have the documents. 387 00:20:32,932 --> 00:20:36,903 Why should I show them to you? Why not one of the newspapers? 388 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:40,744 - Because nobody reads newspapers. - One of the other networks, then. 389 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:43,716 Don't know if you've noticed, there's not too many people... 390 00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:46,049 who actually do what we do anymore. 391 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,249 We're 60 Minutes. We're the gold standard. 392 00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:51,359 We can help you. 393 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,455 Look, you come on camera... 394 00:20:54,687 --> 00:20:56,633 No. No. No cameras. 395 00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:58,392 Our name stays out of this. 396 00:20:58,557 --> 00:21:01,094 They will destroy us for this, don't you understand? 397 00:21:01,293 --> 00:21:05,139 Nicki, listen. I know what ifs like to be bullied. 398 00:21:05,364 --> 00:21:08,709 To feel like they're too strong, and you're small and powerless. 399 00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:10,539 But you're not. 400 00:21:10,736 --> 00:21:12,738 And doing this will show them that. 401 00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:14,311 Now, I promise... 402 00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:17,146 we will protect you. 403 00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:53,186 - These are signed by Jerry Killian. - Yes, they are. 404 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:55,621 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 405 00:21:56,615 --> 00:21:58,816 The first one says that Bush made no attempt... 406 00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:01,828 to meet his training certification. 407 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:05,298 That is a big difference than just missing his physical. 408 00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,938 And the second one refers to his pilot position as critical. 409 00:22:09,128 --> 00:22:12,871 Well, Bush said he stopped flying because they no longer needed pilots. 410 00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:16,705 Mm-hm. But this document would prove that statement untrue. 411 00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:19,644 Can you think of anybody who'd wanna fool you with these... 412 00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:21,876 like a political dirty trick? 413 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:25,815 I can't think of anyone who would hate me that much. 414 00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:28,389 And do you have the originals of these? 415 00:22:28,614 --> 00:22:31,288 No. No, I was only given copies. 416 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:35,624 And don't ask me where I got them, I'm not gonna tell you anything else. 417 00:22:35,821 --> 00:22:38,995 You get your own experts if you want to, you have them look at them. 418 00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,000 We will. 419 00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:44,739 September 15th, we don't have a show. 420 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:46,841 CBS is running The Billy Graham Crusade. 421 00:22:47,032 --> 00:22:48,568 What about the 22nd? 422 00:22:48,734 --> 00:22:51,237 Preempted again. Dr. Phil special. 423 00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:53,882 So our air date is decided by an unholy confluence... 424 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,383 between Billy Graham and Dr. Phil McGraw? 425 00:22:56,809 --> 00:22:59,813 - Jesus. - News doesn't pay the bills. 426 00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:01,556 There is one more option. 427 00:23:01,914 --> 00:23:05,157 - The 8th. - As in five days from now? 428 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,692 - If you don't think... - I need interviews. 429 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:13,359 I need to get the whole team to New York and I need... First, I need Dan. 430 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:14,731 Where is he? 431 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:18,898 Hurricane Frances is pounding the Florida coast... 432 00:23:19,098 --> 00:23:22,545 harder than a strongman trying to win a Kewpie doll at a carnival! 433 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,772 I'm gonna kill him. 434 00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:30,114 You may not have to. 435 00:23:30,609 --> 00:23:35,024 Maybe I can get him on a puddle jumper to Austin for the Strong interview. 436 00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,594 I got an e-mail from the colonel about the documents saying, "I feel better." 437 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:45,699 - Yeah? - A memorandum for record... 438 00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:47,529 is a memo to nobody, right'? 439 00:23:47,726 --> 00:23:49,535 So why does Killian file them? 440 00:23:49,695 --> 00:23:53,575 Well, Killian knows suspending a guy this protected is a big deal. 441 00:23:53,766 --> 00:23:57,771 He's trying to do the right thing here, but he needs a paper trail to insulate himself. 442 00:23:57,970 --> 00:24:01,816 Which means Bush's protection must've come from higher up than Killian. 443 00:24:02,975 --> 00:24:04,420 You're thinking Hodges? 444 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:08,217 He was Killian's direct supervisor. I'll call you back. 445 00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:19,743 You have reached the Hodges' residence. 446 00:24:19,758 --> 00:24:21,760 Please leave a message. 447 00:24:22,661 --> 00:24:24,902 General Hodges, Mary Mapes from 60 Minutes. 448 00:24:25,097 --> 00:24:27,475 I was wondering if you could give me a call back. 449 00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:29,737 Holy shit! 450 00:24:29,902 --> 00:24:34,351 Oh, ho, ho, you gotta see this. It's a video from a cell phone... 451 00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:37,019 at a Democratic fundraiser. 452 00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:39,565 Now... Thank you. Thank you. 453 00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:43,455 Now, let's talk about John Kerry and George Bush... 454 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:46,653 - Is that Ben Barnes? - And I'm not name-dropping. 455 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:51,464 You see, I got a young man named George Bush... 456 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,377 into the Air National Guard when I was... 457 00:24:53,525 --> 00:24:55,835 - . "lieutenant governor of Texas'" - Oh... 458 00:24:56,028 --> 00:24:58,770 Now, I'm not necessarily proud of that, but... 459 00:24:58,964 --> 00:25:00,671 Holy shit! 460 00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:05,542 I didn't know they were taping me. Did you see it? I looked like shit! 461 00:25:05,771 --> 00:25:10,117 - I thought you looked wonderful, Ben. - Oh, don't you start. 462 00:25:10,275 --> 00:25:13,449 The cat's already out of the bag and your man Kerry's 10 points down. 463 00:25:13,645 --> 00:25:17,491 We're airing this piece in five days. Are you in or not? 464 00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:20,959 - We got him! We got Barnes! - Burkett just called. 465 00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:24,157 - He's got more memos to hand off. - We need to find his source. 466 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:26,199 - Okay. - Be at the airport in the morning. 467 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:29,498 - I'll fax you when I get there. - Yes! 468 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:36,377 "Bush wasn't here during rating and I don't have any feedback..." 469 00:25:36,568 --> 00:25:43,144 "from 187th in Alabama. I will not rate. Austin is not happy either." 470 00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:46,752 "Bush was not here during rating period." 471 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:51,928 They're trying to get Killian to file a rating for Bush while he wasn't even on base. 472 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:55,729 This is proof he was AWOL. 473 00:26:00,526 --> 00:26:02,597 Who do I talk to first? 474 00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:06,833 Is there any doubt in your mind that these memos are genuine? 475 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:11,342 Well, they are compatible with the way business was done at that time. 476 00:26:11,537 --> 00:26:14,780 They are compatible with the man that I remember Jerry Killian being. 477 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,783 And what do you think Colonel Killian was trying to do? 478 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:20,684 I think he was trying to get a duty performed... 479 00:26:20,879 --> 00:26:25,225 and he was trying to protect himself because of the political environment. 480 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:29,797 So political considerations were a major force in the Guard? 481 00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:38,537 It verged on outright corruption, the favors that were done... 482 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:41,108 the power that was traded. 483 00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:44,139 From a moral and ethical standpoint... 484 00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:46,747 it was unconscionable. 485 00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:51,243 Let's go to New York. 486 00:27:00,385 --> 00:27:02,763 I didn't get a chance to introduce myself. 487 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:05,128 - Dan Rather. - No shit. 488 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,134 I mean, I'm Mike Smith. I'm familiar... 489 00:27:08,327 --> 00:27:11,501 I mean... I... I... I'm... Hello. 490 00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:15,737 You know, Mary tells me you're the one that calls me "the old man." 491 00:27:15,934 --> 00:27:21,077 Well, I... I really wish she hadn't shared that with you. 492 00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,454 Look, I appreciate the hard work you're doing on this. 493 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,251 Asking questions, that's important. 494 00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:31,826 Some people are gonna say it doesn't matter. 495 00:27:32,017 --> 00:27:34,964 One side or the other's always gonna say you're being partisan. 496 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,499 But you stop asking questions, that's when the American people lose. 497 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:41,330 Now, that may sound hokey, but I believe it. 498 00:27:41,627 --> 00:27:43,664 So keep it up. 499 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:48,208 Y- Yeah-Or no. Thank you. 500 00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:51,039 - You're welcome. - Heh. 501 00:27:53,338 --> 00:27:55,477 You know what's crazy? 502 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,381 Many things are crazy. 503 00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:02,649 Tell me specifically what you feel is crazy. 504 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:06,159 The fact that they kept this secret for so long. 505 00:28:09,655 --> 00:28:13,694 You do know why Mary didn't get this story done in 2000, don't you? 506 00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:15,236 Uh-uh. 507 00:28:19,631 --> 00:28:21,838 Mary's mother died... 508 00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:24,139 right in the middle of it. 509 00:28:24,736 --> 00:28:28,548 And then the story never got finished and the election happened. 510 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:33,246 An election that was decided by 537 votes. 511 00:28:33,912 --> 00:28:34,982 I think... 512 00:28:35,747 --> 00:28:38,694 that if Mary's mother hadn't died that summer... 513 00:28:38,884 --> 00:28:42,730 there's a real good chance that Al Gore would be president right now. 514 00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:48,902 And what about her father? 515 00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:55,075 Mary's father is a drunken piece of shit... 516 00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:58,441 who hated himself so much, he beat his own daughters. 517 00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:04,187 The more outspoken they were, she says, the harder he hit them. 518 00:29:04,376 --> 00:29:07,289 - So how do you think she fared? - She would get beat up... 519 00:29:07,512 --> 00:29:10,755 - for asking questions? - That's right. 520 00:29:11,617 --> 00:29:14,564 And this is what she does for a living? 521 00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:17,360 People are funny sometimes. 522 00:29:19,057 --> 00:29:22,527 It's part of what's between her and Dan, I think. 523 00:29:22,728 --> 00:29:25,265 Why they work so well together. 524 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:28,544 It's why they need each other. 525 00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:35,481 Fathers and daughters. 526 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,764 Whatever it takes. 527 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:53,163 Tell me about the document examiners. 528 00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:57,397 There are four. Marcel Matley is coming from San Francisco to do on-camera. 529 00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:00,099 Linda James in Texas wants to see the originals. 530 00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,404 - Yeah, we don't have them. - I told her. 531 00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,081 Jim Pierce in Los Angeles just started today... 532 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:08,274 and Emily Will in North Carolina wants you to call her. 533 00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:09,611 Right. Got it. 534 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:11,977 I mink you have a problem. 535 00:30:12,177 --> 00:30:14,282 I've been doing Internet research. 536 00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:18,325 President was in Alabama when these were written, they can't be true. 537 00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:21,953 Okay. Have you found anything wrong with the documents themselves? 538 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,863 - Well, no, but... - Do they appear forged in any way? 539 00:30:26,091 --> 00:30:28,128 - Without the originals... - That's okay. 540 00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,933 You just let me worry about the investigational side. 541 00:30:31,463 --> 00:30:33,966 I always work the whole thing. 542 00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:37,309 Look, do you know where these originated? 543 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:39,880 Establishing chain of custody would go a long way... 544 00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:42,018 "inward determining authenticity." 545 00:30:42,207 --> 00:30:44,448 Yeah, believe me, we're working on it. 546 00:30:44,643 --> 00:30:48,455 I give you the memos, you verify them, that was the deal. 547 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,490 You call the Kerry campaign for me yet? 548 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:52,787 They cannot lie down on this Swift Boat shit. 549 00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:58,491 If you could just confirm where you got the memos from, we would be home free. 550 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,534 - I told you I cannot go on the record. - I know. 551 00:31:01,727 --> 00:31:04,139 I know. You wouldn't have to. 552 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:08,004 You just give me the name. All right? That's all I need. 553 00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:12,543 George Conn. 554 00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:15,014 - Buddy of mine in the Guard. - Right. 555 00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:18,518 He was there for the scrubbing. But you call him, he will deny it. 556 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,816 - Thank you. - Goodbye. 557 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,061 You have reached the Conn residence. 558 00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:32,224 Please leave a message. 559 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,171 Colonel, this is Mary Mapes with 60 Minutes. 560 00:31:36,361 --> 00:31:39,205 Was wondering if you could give me a call at your convenience. 561 00:31:39,398 --> 00:31:43,869 It's regarding a story we're airing on Wednesday night. Thank you. 562 00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:45,605 - Matley's here. - Yeah. 563 00:31:45,837 --> 00:31:49,375 I would say, based on our available handwriting evidence... 564 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,952 yes, this is the same person. 565 00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:57,389 This signature on the June 24th document shows some conspicuous differences. 566 00:31:57,783 --> 00:32:00,889 But it also shows some inconspicuous... 567 00:32:01,086 --> 00:32:03,464 similarities to Colonel Killian's handwriting. 568 00:32:03,688 --> 00:32:06,225 Right, and why might differences like this exist? 569 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:09,065 The content of the memo is highly stressful... 570 00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:13,539 Killian telling a higher-up that he cannot rate Bush during his absence. 571 00:32:13,732 --> 00:32:18,147 This is enough to explain differences in the pen strokes. 572 00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,582 Would you excuse me a moment? 573 00:32:26,978 --> 00:32:29,618 It's like watching paint dry. What am I gonna do? 574 00:32:29,815 --> 00:32:32,819 That was in there somewhere. Think you can get the bite? 575 00:32:33,051 --> 00:32:36,225 - Did I have lint on my jacket? - Two bottles of whiskey. 576 00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:37,729 Okay. 577 00:32:41,726 --> 00:32:43,797 So, sir, are you saying... 578 00:32:43,962 --> 00:32:46,408 that if I present this to the American public... 579 00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:48,805 and say that to the best of our knowledge... 580 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,574 these documents are all signed by the same man, am I on solid ground? 581 00:32:56,341 --> 00:32:57,479 Yes. 582 00:32:57,676 --> 00:33:01,123 Matley's a yes. Jim Pierce is a yes. Emily Will's still working. 583 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,158 Linda James wants more documents, but she'll defer to Matley. 584 00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:07,626 Dates, contents of the Burkett memos mesh with the official record. 585 00:33:07,786 --> 00:33:11,427 And I'm having Graphics mock something up to show it visually. 586 00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:12,931 We don't have it yet. 587 00:33:13,525 --> 00:33:16,938 Somebody has got to confirm the content of those memos. 588 00:33:17,128 --> 00:33:18,801 Somebody who knew the players. 589 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,977 No one in the Guard is gonna step up. 590 00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:24,807 Look what happened to Burkett. You talk, you get your head handed to you. 591 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:26,607 Who were Killian's commanders? 592 00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:30,981 There's Buck Staudt, who figuratively and literally told me to go fuck myself... 593 00:33:31,176 --> 00:33:33,986 and Bobby Hodges, who I've left 18 messages for. 594 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:39,227 Fine, I'll do 19. 595 00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:51,238 You guys feel like pizza? 596 00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:56,737 I really feel like we should start thinking about pizza. 597 00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,648 Hello? 598 00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:11,217 - General Hodges? - Yeah. 599 00:34:11,516 --> 00:34:12,517 Uh... 600 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:16,028 This is Mary Mapes with 60 Minutes. 601 00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:19,996 I'd like to speak with you about some old memos... 602 00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:24,901 I've come across from the 187th Fighter Interceptor Squadron. 603 00:34:26,231 --> 00:34:29,178 They, uh, appear to... 604 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:33,372 from the personal files of Jerry Killian. 605 00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:38,950 Well, I'd like to read them to you, if that's okay'! 606 00:34:39,177 --> 00:34:40,918 All right. 607 00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:48,525 Okay. Uh, the first one is dated June 24, 1973. 608 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,260 And the subject is Bush, George W., first lieutenant. 609 00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:57,929 "Sir. I got a call from your staff concerning the evaluation..." 610 00:34:58,129 --> 00:35:00,575 of First Lieutenant Bush due this month. 611 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,974 His rater is Lieutenant Colonel Harris. 612 00:35:04,202 --> 00:35:08,617 Neither Lieutenant Colonel Harris or I feel we can rate First Lieutenant Bush... 613 00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:13,278 since he was not training with the 111th FIS since April 1972. 614 00:35:13,478 --> 00:35:17,949 His recent activity is outside the rating period. 615 00:35:18,216 --> 00:35:21,925 "Advise me how we are supposed to handle this." 616 00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:28,097 Okay, um, the... 617 00:35:28,293 --> 00:35:34,244 This one is August 18, 1973 and the subject titled CYA... 618 00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:37,436 which I believe means "cover your ass"? 619 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:43,679 Okay. "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush." 620 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:46,912 I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job. 621 00:35:47,112 --> 00:35:51,618 Harris gave me a message today from Group regarding Bush's OETR... 622 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,160 and Staudt is pushing to sugarcoat it. 623 00:35:54,352 --> 00:35:57,299 Bush wasn't here during rating period... 624 00:35:57,489 --> 00:36:00,368 and I don't have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. 625 00:36:00,592 --> 00:36:02,594 I will not rate. 626 00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:06,264 Austin is not happy today either. 627 00:36:06,464 --> 00:36:08,944 Harris took the call from Group today. 628 00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:12,513 I'll backdate but won't rate. 629 00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,116 "Harris agrees." 630 00:36:17,308 --> 00:36:22,519 Sir, are these memos familiar to you? 631 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:24,516 They are. 632 00:36:26,384 --> 00:36:31,129 But using someone's personal notes, that's going overboard. 633 00:36:31,322 --> 00:36:35,168 You're trying 10 make news, create a story here where there ism one. 634 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,206 No, sir, we're not trying to create anything. 635 00:36:41,299 --> 00:36:43,006 Hold on a minute. Hold. 636 00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:45,480 We have it. 637 00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:48,975 Tell me the truth... 638 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:51,484 and the whole truth about what happened... 639 00:36:51,643 --> 00:36:55,056 with George W. Bush and the draft and the National Guard. 640 00:36:56,381 --> 00:37:01,694 Sid Adger, a friend of the Bush family, came to see me... 641 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,265 and he asked me if I would recommend... 642 00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:08,528 George W. Bush for the Air National Guard. 643 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,400 And I did. 644 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:13,538 I'm concerned about the sheer amount of story we have. 645 00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:17,236 You know, what if we split it? You know, run Barnes tomorrow... 646 00:37:17,435 --> 00:37:19,779 and the documents on the Sunday broadcast. 647 00:37:20,004 --> 00:37:23,952 Sunday's show won't give us the real estate. Where are we with the rest of it? 648 00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:26,619 Well, I just got an e-mail from Emily Will. 649 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:29,121 She has some concerns about the superscript thing. 650 00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:31,918 Superscript? It's the raised "th" after the 111. 651 00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:35,929 She was worried that function wasn't available on military typewriters in the '70s. 652 00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:39,034 But I spoke to Matley, he said they were available then... 653 00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,363 so Emily said she'd defer to him. 654 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:42,697 Good, all right. 655 00:37:42,894 --> 00:37:46,068 Uh, White House will have someone for on-camera in the morning. 656 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,473 I can't send Dan because of the storm. 657 00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:52,580 That fucking hurricane hates me. 658 00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:56,617 Well, I don't think that I had the right... 659 00:37:56,808 --> 00:37:59,379 to have the power that I had. 660 00:37:59,577 --> 00:38:04,253 To choose who was gonna go to Vietnam and who was not gonna go to Vietnam. 661 00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:07,953 That's a power in some instances when I look at those names... 662 00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:12,329 of maybe determining life or death, and that's not a power I wanna have. 663 00:38:12,657 --> 00:38:17,265 Too strong or not, to say you're ashamed of it now? 664 00:38:17,462 --> 00:38:22,411 Oh, I think that that would be an appropriate thing. 665 00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:26,577 I'm very, very sorry. 666 00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:32,978 What's it running? 667 00:38:33,178 --> 00:38:36,591 It's 60 minutes, at least three over. 668 00:38:36,781 --> 00:38:39,819 Some of the document stuffs a little slow, you can trim there. 669 00:38:40,018 --> 00:38:43,488 How about flipping it, open with Barnes, then do the documents? 670 00:38:43,688 --> 00:38:45,258 Keep it chronological. 671 00:38:45,456 --> 00:38:47,493 - Mmhm. - You've got three hours. 672 00:38:47,692 --> 00:38:49,672 Right. 673 00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:52,273 Now, this signature, on the June 24th document... 674 00:38:52,463 --> 00:38:54,602 shows some conspicuous differences. 675 00:38:54,799 --> 00:38:57,370 But it also shows some inconspicuous... 676 00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,639 No. Go back. It's still too long. 677 00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:03,183 - Go back to the bit where he's... - You've gotta lose Matley. 678 00:39:03,374 --> 00:39:05,684 We're 40 seconds over, and he's a shit interview. 679 00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:07,448 The meshing graphic doesn't work. 680 00:39:07,645 --> 00:39:11,320 It shows where the new documents fall in with the originals. If we lose that... 681 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:14,019 Poorly. Look, we're out of time. 682 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:16,699 It's your call. What do you wanna do? 683 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,894 Cut it. 684 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,044 - We need to output in two minutes. - I know. 685 00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:38,149 If we don't start outputting, we're not gonna have a show. 686 00:39:39,844 --> 00:39:43,087 - Lock it and start outputting. - If there's a computer hiccup... 687 00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:46,557 - Tom, I worship you, but shut the fuck up. - Heh. Okay. All right. 688 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:49,556 Eighteen new castaways... 689 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:51,401 will face their toughest challenge yet. 690 00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:56,197 Vanuatu premieres Thursday at 8, 7 Central. Only on CBS. 691 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,840 Somebody's gonna get burned. 692 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,909 The military records of the two men running for president... 693 00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:10,382 have become pan' of the political arsenal in this campaign. 694 00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:13,112 A tool for building up or blowing up... 695 00:40:13,344 --> 00:40:17,952 each candidate's credibility as America's next commander-in-chief. 696 00:40:18,182 --> 00:40:22,187 While Senator Kerry has been targeted for what he did in combat in Vietnam... 697 00:40:22,387 --> 00:40:25,800 President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam... 698 00:40:26,024 --> 00:40:30,268 by landing a much sought-after spot in the Texas Air National Guard... 699 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:35,943 and then, apparently, failing to meet some of his obligations in the Guard. 700 00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:40,446 Did then Lieutenant Bush fulfill all his military commitments? 701 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:44,780 And just how did he land that coveted slot in the Guard in the first place? 702 00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:47,081 Tonight, we have new documents... 703 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:50,487 and new information on the presidents military service. 704 00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:53,489 And the first interview with the man who says... 705 00:40:53,718 --> 00:40:56,392 he pulled the strings to get young George W. Bush... 706 00:40:56,587 --> 00:40:58,260 into the Texas Air National Guard. 707 00:42:20,738 --> 00:42:24,049 The president's time in the National Guard reemerged today. 708 00:42:24,242 --> 00:42:27,485 He enlisted in Texas, transferred is Alabama... 709 00:42:27,678 --> 00:42:31,558 - and got out early to attend... - This is what our business has become. 710 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:35,754 Reporting on reporting. I mean, why go to the trouble of breaking news... 711 00:42:35,987 --> 00:42:40,663 when all you have to do is just talk about other people breaking news, huh? 712 00:42:41,192 --> 00:42:44,173 Thirty minutes from now, someone somewhere is gonna be doing... 713 00:42:44,362 --> 00:42:48,674 a story about this guy doing a story about us. 714 00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:50,634 You know what? They're all gonna get Peabodys. 715 00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:53,943 This one mattered. 716 00:42:56,441 --> 00:42:59,217 It was great. Even the kid liked it. 717 00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:00,684 Oh, really? 718 00:43:00,878 --> 00:43:03,358 Yeah. Yeah, you're a hell of a reporter, babe. 719 00:43:05,416 --> 00:43:07,623 All right, well, I'll be home tomorrow. 720 00:43:07,852 --> 00:43:09,297 Okay, fly safe. 721 00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:12,260 - All right, I love you. - Bye. 722 00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,800 - Hey, Mary? - Mm-hm? 723 00:43:50,962 --> 00:43:53,568 Um, what's going on? Because these... 724 00:43:53,764 --> 00:43:58,076 These blogs are saying the memos can be re-created exactly in Microsoft Word. 725 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:02,777 - Who's saying this? - Well, it's a conservative website, but... 726 00:44:03,841 --> 00:44:06,947 "Every one of these memos is in proportionally spaced font." 727 00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:09,318 It's probably Palatino or Times New Roman. 728 00:44:09,914 --> 00:44:12,758 In 1972, typewriters used monospaced fonts. 729 00:44:12,917 --> 00:44:15,363 Proportionally spaced fonts did not come into use... 730 00:44:15,586 --> 00:44:18,430 until the introduction of personal computers. 731 00:44:18,623 --> 00:44:21,126 They were not widespread until the '90s. Before then... 732 00:44:21,292 --> 00:44:25,934 you needed typesetting equipment. That wasn't used for personal memos. 733 00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,767 I'm saying these documents are forgeries... 734 00:44:28,966 --> 00:44:32,846 run through a copier for 15 generations... 735 00:44:33,137 --> 00:44:35,640 "to make them look old." 736 00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:39,644 Okay. 737 00:44:48,619 --> 00:44:50,496 Mary? 738 00:44:51,155 --> 00:44:53,396 What the hell is going on? 739 00:44:54,058 --> 00:44:57,699 "Spacing is not just similar, it is identical in every respect." 740 00:44:57,862 --> 00:45:01,674 Notice that the date lines up perfectly, the line breaks are in the same places... 741 00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:06,337 all letters line up with the same letters above and below. 742 00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,642 And the kerning is exactly the same. 743 00:45:08,839 --> 00:45:12,082 And I did not change a single thing from Word's defaults. 744 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:18,920 "Margins, type size, tab stops, etcetera, are all using the default settings." 745 00:45:20,351 --> 00:45:22,661 What the hell are we gonna do? 746 00:45:23,754 --> 00:45:25,256 Due respect, did you fuck up? 747 00:45:25,423 --> 00:45:30,031 We had four document examiners and not one said the memos weren't real. 748 00:45:30,361 --> 00:45:32,739 Did any of them try typing them into Microsoft Word? 749 00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:35,070 I don't know, I'm not a document examiner. 750 00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:39,373 But I'm assuming their job is to make sure these things weren't whipped up. 751 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,916 - Just because guys on the Internet... - It's not just the guys on the Internet. 752 00:45:44,108 --> 00:45:45,712 ABC News is going after this. 753 00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,254 - Nightline. - You mean they're going after Dan? 754 00:45:48,446 --> 00:45:49,447 Yes. 755 00:45:49,614 --> 00:45:50,894 Tell them about the superscript. 756 00:45:51,082 --> 00:45:53,722 It's the "th" that pops up after you type a number. 757 00:45:53,918 --> 00:45:56,956 - Like 111th. - Yeah. I know what it is. What about it? 758 00:45:57,188 --> 00:46:00,533 Bloggers are saying it's a big red flag this was done on a computer. 759 00:46:00,725 --> 00:46:03,638 They say it didn't exist on typewriters in the 1970s. 760 00:46:03,794 --> 00:46:05,314 - Well... - One of the examiners... 761 00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:07,602 did raise that concern as well. 762 00:46:08,065 --> 00:46:09,408 Emily Will. 763 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,979 Yeah, but Matley said they did have them, and she deferred to him. 764 00:46:13,204 --> 00:46:15,377 They will kill us on that alone. 765 00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:19,612 - I don't understand, what do they want? - They want us to say we're wrong. 766 00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:21,153 Because if we're wrong... 767 00:46:21,379 --> 00:46:25,259 all the questions we've asked about the president's service go away. 768 00:46:25,583 --> 00:46:27,722 Look. Okay. 769 00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:30,126 We have the document examiners, okay? 770 00:46:30,321 --> 00:46:32,892 Bob Strong, who worked at Guard headquarters... 771 00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:36,469 says the memos are written in the vernacular of the Guard at the time. 772 00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:39,836 And we have Bobby Hodges, Killian's commanding officer... 773 00:46:39,997 --> 00:46:41,670 who confirmed both the content... 774 00:46:41,899 --> 00:46:44,778 and that they reflected Killian's state of mind at the time. 775 00:46:44,969 --> 00:46:46,573 We have this story. 776 00:46:46,771 --> 00:46:48,079 Well, make sure. 777 00:46:48,406 --> 00:46:49,908 Reconfirm with everybody. 778 00:46:50,107 --> 00:46:54,146 And find us another goddamn "th" in the official record. 779 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:03,996 We need to find that "th." 780 00:47:08,959 --> 00:47:11,496 - Hi. - Yo. 781 00:47:14,298 --> 00:47:17,438 - You heard? - Yeah, yeah. It's bullshit. 782 00:47:17,635 --> 00:47:19,308 Pardon my French. 783 00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:23,280 People have attacked me for 30 years, it's not about to start bothering me now. 784 00:47:23,474 --> 00:47:25,010 Now, are you okay? 785 00:47:25,943 --> 00:47:27,980 We're gonna be in a fight here, Dan. 786 00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:32,855 - I still got a few good ones left in me. - Did you get your contract sewn up yet? 787 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:36,361 I got the head of the news division his job, I'm gonna be fine. 788 00:47:36,721 --> 00:47:38,860 You gonna give me something to hit back with? 789 00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:40,960 Yes, sir. 790 00:47:41,625 --> 00:47:45,835 The blast went off at 10:30 local time at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta... 791 00:47:46,030 --> 00:47:49,011 killing nine people and wounding 180. 792 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,340 Jemaah Islamiah, the Southeast Asian terrorist group... 793 00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:54,709 claimed responsibility for the attack. 794 00:47:54,905 --> 00:47:57,886 "but several document experts contacted by ABC News..." 795 00:47:58,075 --> 00:48:02,251 have raised serious questions about the authenticity of these new documents. 796 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,724 They point to the typeface, spacing and perfectly even imprint of the letters... 797 00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:11,093 that look more like the creation of a computer than a typewriter. 798 00:48:11,322 --> 00:48:14,235 And there's this, the little superscript “th. “. 799 00:48:14,425 --> 00:48:17,736 That's something very few typewriters could do in 1972. 800 00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,209 You have reached the Hodges' residence. 801 00:48:21,365 --> 00:48:22,571 Please leave a message. 802 00:48:24,001 --> 00:48:25,036 General Hodges... 803 00:48:25,236 --> 00:48:29,241 this is Mary Mapes. We need to get in touch again. Can you call me? 804 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,942 Thank you. 805 00:48:36,447 --> 00:48:38,950 Avoid Vietnam has followed him... 806 00:48:39,116 --> 00:48:41,027 since he ran for governor of Texas... 807 00:48:41,218 --> 00:48:42,754 wand Mr. Bush has always denied it. 808 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,026 I enjoyed it and I enjoyed my service... 809 00:48:48,025 --> 00:48:49,629 Nothing. 810 00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:54,202 You done with these? 811 00:48:54,365 --> 00:48:55,969 - Never were mine. - Okay. 812 00:48:57,201 --> 00:49:00,444 That he was a person who did n... 813 00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:02,743 Staudt was already out of the Guard. 814 00:49:03,774 --> 00:49:05,219 What are you talking about? 815 00:49:05,409 --> 00:49:09,050 The CYA memo, dated August 18, 1973. 816 00:49:09,246 --> 00:49:14,889 "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush." 817 00:49:15,219 --> 00:49:17,665 Staudt left the Guard in 1972. 818 00:49:17,888 --> 00:49:20,095 So how the fuck can he still be pressuring? 819 00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:24,773 Listen, when a commanding officer... 820 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:29,274 - No, the bloggers are having a field day. - When a general leaves his posting... 821 00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:32,277 and goes to work for Quantico on the same base... 822 00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:36,577 he still wields an enormous amount of influence. It doesn't matter when he left. 823 00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:38,776 - Back me up, Roger. - She's right. 824 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,947 Yeah. Right, well, uh... 825 00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:46,259 Forgive me if I don't think everyone is gonna see it the same way you do. 826 00:49:56,827 --> 00:49:57,862 This is bad. 827 00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:05,545 No, when they start asking to talk to our source... 828 00:50:05,769 --> 00:50:07,680 then it'll be bad. 829 00:50:08,339 --> 00:50:10,842 They're coming for us, Roger. 830 00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:33,899 Mm... 831 00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:42,011 I've got one. 832 00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:43,810 What? 833 00:50:44,008 --> 00:50:49,082 I have a superscript "th" here. Ha-ha-ha. 834 00:50:49,313 --> 00:50:51,190 Josh! 835 00:50:54,351 --> 00:50:57,161 Call Dan, tell him we just got in the fight. 836 00:50:57,354 --> 00:50:58,924 So can the experts say... 837 00:50:59,089 --> 00:51:01,399 George, positively that these weren't typed... 838 00:51:01,592 --> 00:51:04,072 and couldn't have been made in the early '70s? 839 00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:07,004 They say all the clues indicate that. They're not making... 840 00:51:07,197 --> 00:51:11,441 an absolute 100 percent guarantee, and CBS is still standing by its story. 841 00:51:11,602 --> 00:51:14,742 And in fact, they're also pointing to another source... 842 00:51:14,939 --> 00:51:16,612 a Colonel Robert Hodges... 843 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,411 “who was an immediate superior of Mr. Killian,. 844 00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:22,557 They say they read these documents to Colonel Hodges. 845 00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:25,920 He said, "Sounds like what Killian was telling me at the time." 846 00:51:26,116 --> 00:51:27,857 Hodges is not speaking to anyone yet. 847 00:51:28,018 --> 00:51:31,431 Because we can't get him on the fucking phone! 848 00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:34,896 Those raising questions about the documents... 849 00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,936 have focused on something called superscript. 850 00:51:38,128 --> 00:51:41,735 A key that automatically types a raised "th." 851 00:51:41,932 --> 00:51:47,075 Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the 1970s, but some did. 852 00:51:47,738 --> 00:51:51,652 In fact, other Bush military records released by the White House itself... 853 00:51:51,875 --> 00:51:53,821 show the same superscript. 854 00:51:54,044 --> 00:51:56,957 Here's one from 1968. 855 00:51:57,448 --> 00:51:58,791 Some analysts outside CBS... 856 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:02,829 say they believe the typeface on these memos is New Times Roman... 857 00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,966 which they claim was not available in the 1970s. 858 00:52:06,156 --> 00:52:09,569 But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style... 859 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,502 says it has been available since 1931. 860 00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:15,836 Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley... 861 00:52:16,066 --> 00:52:18,603 analyzed the documents for CBS News. 862 00:52:18,802 --> 00:52:20,645 He says he believes they are real... 863 00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:24,342 but is concerned about exactly what is being examined... 864 00:52:24,575 --> 00:52:27,613 by some of the people now questioning the documents. 865 00:52:27,811 --> 00:52:31,452 Because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced. 866 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:35,791 And the documents being analyzed outside of CBS had been photocopied... 867 00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:38,125 faxed, scanned and downloaded... 868 00:52:38,322 --> 00:52:42,099 and are far removed from the documents CBS started with. 869 00:52:42,292 --> 00:52:46,365 Matley did this interview with us prior to Wednesday's broadcast. 870 00:52:46,597 --> 00:52:50,943 We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features... 871 00:52:51,135 --> 00:52:54,139 to determine whether it's the same person or not. 872 00:52:54,338 --> 00:52:57,285 So I have no problem identifying them. 873 00:52:57,474 --> 00:53:00,785 I would say based on our available handwriting evidence... 874 00:53:00,978 --> 00:53:03,982 yes, this is the same person. 875 00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:08,152 Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence. 876 00:53:08,352 --> 00:53:11,026 We talked to him again today by satellite. 877 00:53:12,122 --> 00:53:16,468 Are you surprised questions come about these? We're not, but are you surprised? 878 00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:21,506 I knew going in this was dynamite, one way or the other,. 879 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:27,047 And I knew that potentially this could do far more damage to me professionally... 880 00:53:27,237 --> 00:53:28,875 than benefit me. 881 00:53:29,073 --> 00:53:31,314 And... And I knew that. 882 00:53:31,508 --> 00:53:35,513 But... But we seek the truth. That's what we do. 883 00:53:35,979 --> 00:53:39,017 You're supposed to put yourself out, seek the truth... 884 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:41,560 and take what comes from it. 885 00:53:42,252 --> 00:53:44,232 Fax he CBS Evening News... 886 00:53:44,421 --> 00:53:45,991 Dan Rather reporting. 887 00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,669 Good night. 888 00:53:48,025 --> 00:53:50,198 And we're clear. 889 00:53:54,598 --> 00:53:57,738 - I told you I had it in me. - I'm calling Andrew right now. 890 00:53:57,935 --> 00:53:59,846 - F.E.A. - No kidding. 891 00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:02,347 - What'd you think? - I think you parked it. 892 00:54:03,407 --> 00:54:05,614 Bobby Hodges is on the phone. 893 00:54:08,879 --> 00:54:12,918 General Hodges? This is Mary Mapes. I've got Dan Rather on the line with me. 894 00:54:13,117 --> 00:54:14,596 Why is The Washington Post... 895 00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,732 describing me as your trump card in this? 896 00:54:17,521 --> 00:54:19,023 Did you tell them that, Dan? 897 00:54:19,223 --> 00:54:20,725 I did not, sir. 898 00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:25,270 It says a highly placed CBS source referred to me as your trump card. 899 00:54:25,462 --> 00:54:28,705 Well, sir, that was not me and it was not Dan. 900 00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:32,369 Well, good, because I'm not. I've seen all the coverage. 901 00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:35,778 And I have to say I think these memos are fake. 902 00:54:36,306 --> 00:54:37,717 You...? Excuse me? 903 00:54:37,908 --> 00:54:40,548 I do not believe Jerry Killian wrote those memos. 904 00:54:40,744 --> 00:54:42,417 Sir, when we spoke on... 905 00:54:43,714 --> 00:54:46,820 September 6th... I'm sorry, I'm just going through my notes. 906 00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:50,896 When we spoke, you said the content of the memos was familiar to you. 907 00:54:51,054 --> 00:54:52,590 - Is that correct? - Yes. 908 00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:56,670 And that they reflected Colonel Killian's mind-set at the time. 909 00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:58,396 And they do. 910 00:54:58,796 --> 00:55:01,902 Bu! I hadn't physically seen them. 911 00:55:02,666 --> 00:55:06,614 So, what physically about the memos makes you now doubt their authenticity? 912 00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:09,580 Jerry's family says he didn't write them. 913 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:10,775 Uh... 914 00:55:10,941 --> 00:55:13,751 General, the thrust of our story was about what happened... 915 00:55:13,911 --> 00:55:17,620 with the president's Guard service. Now, if as you say... 916 00:55:17,815 --> 00:55:20,261 Colonel Killian really did feel this way... 917 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:24,262 and the things described in the memos are true... 918 00:55:24,421 --> 00:55:26,298 we'd like to talk to you about that. 919 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:29,767 I'm just telling you I now believe the memos are forgeries. 920 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,633 Forget the memos, sir. 921 00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:36,778 Is what we presented about President Bush accurate? 922 00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:42,444 - I don't wanna get in the middle of this. - Get him to go on camera. 923 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:46,617 Would you be willing if I came to see you to talk to me on camera? 924 00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:47,880 No, Dan, I'm sorry. 925 00:55:48,111 --> 00:55:50,318 Maybe after the election. 926 00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:53,154 - General, if you... - Look, the family says they're fake. 927 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:56,820 And I'm supporting the family, okay? I'm sorry. 928 00:55:59,690 --> 00:56:01,636 Shit! 929 00:56:01,825 --> 00:56:04,533 All right, what are we doing about Hodges recanting? 930 00:56:04,728 --> 00:56:06,571 We say we respect General Hodges... 931 00:56:06,797 --> 00:56:09,403 and believed him the first time we spoke with him. 932 00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,140 Uh, ABC is reaching out to two of our examiners. 933 00:56:13,337 --> 00:56:17,217 Emily Will and Linda James. They say they never authenticated the memos. 934 00:56:17,741 --> 00:56:18,981 Of course they didn't. 935 00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:20,712 - Why? - They... 936 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,254 They... They couldn't. 937 00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:28,391 Well, because they're copies. 938 00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:31,896 There's no original ink or paper to, you know, test. 939 00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:35,366 No one can say with 100 percent certainty they're real or forgeries. 940 00:56:35,525 --> 00:56:37,098 That's why they can attack us. 941 00:56:37,124 --> 00:56:39,692 Except on the Internet, they are certain... 942 00:56:39,863 --> 00:56:43,037 - Those are lousy wannabe analysts. - We get lousy analysts of our own. 943 00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:46,578 Our story was about whether Bush's connections got him into the Guard... 944 00:56:46,737 --> 00:56:49,047 and covered for him when he missed commitments. 945 00:56:49,206 --> 00:56:50,879 Research we found backs that up. 946 00:56:51,074 --> 00:56:54,715 The documents, they were a small part. They were not the point of the story. 947 00:56:54,912 --> 00:56:57,791 It doesn't matter what the point of the story was. We have to... 948 00:56:57,948 --> 00:57:00,019 - They do not get to do this. - Do what? 949 00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:04,597 They do not get to smack us just for asking a fucking question. 950 00:57:14,898 --> 00:57:16,878 Monday morning... 951 00:57:18,135 --> 00:57:20,581 I want analysts backing us up. 952 00:57:21,738 --> 00:57:23,046 Let's go. 953 00:59:04,975 --> 00:59:06,852 - Hey. - Hey. 954 00:59:07,911 --> 00:59:09,219 When did you get in? 955 00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:12,123 I was worried there might be cameras at the airport. 956 00:59:12,149 --> 00:59:13,784 Didn't want Robbie to see that. 957 00:59:14,151 --> 00:59:15,824 God, what are you doing in here? 958 00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,329 - Working. - Why don't you take a break? 959 00:59:19,523 --> 00:59:21,662 I'll go get dressed, we can take a walk. 960 00:59:21,858 --> 00:59:25,897 No, I don't need to take a fucking walk. I wanna sit here and do this, okay? 961 00:59:27,731 --> 00:59:30,575 This... Okay. 962 00:59:48,752 --> 00:59:50,527 I'm sorry. 963 00:59:51,855 --> 00:59:55,064 - It's okay. - No, it's not. 964 00:59:55,258 --> 00:59:59,468 It's just-No matter what I say, no matter what I do, I'm gonna get hit. 965 01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:04,369 This... 966 01:00:04,868 --> 01:00:06,745 This is not that. 967 01:00:10,073 --> 01:00:13,714 When my dad would start in on me, I would think: 968 01:00:14,911 --> 01:00:16,549 "I am not gonna cry." 969 01:00:16,746 --> 01:00:18,657 I am not gonna ask him to stop. 970 01:00:18,882 --> 01:00:22,056 "I'm not gonna give him the satisfaction of seeing how much it hurts." 971 01:00:22,219 --> 01:00:23,823 And he would just go in harder. 972 01:00:24,054 --> 01:00:28,730 And I would think, "Someday, I am gonna fight you." 973 01:00:29,659 --> 01:00:32,333 And I never did. 974 01:00:38,835 --> 01:00:40,508 Now. 975 01:00:42,772 --> 01:00:44,911 You have to fight now. 976 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:51,751 Everything that's in those documents that people are saying can't be done... 977 01:00:51,948 --> 01:00:55,361 as you said, 32 years ago, is just totally false. 978 01:00:55,585 --> 01:00:59,192 Not true. Like I said, proportional spacing was available. 979 01:00:59,422 --> 01:01:02,426 Superscripts was available as a custom feature. 980 01:01:02,626 --> 01:01:06,506 Go back to the beginning of the list. I think that's useful, don't you, Roger? 981 01:01:08,198 --> 01:01:10,007 Word's come down from Andrew. 982 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,941 They wanna talk to your source. 983 01:01:12,536 --> 01:01:15,483 Well, what if my source doesn't wanna talk to them? 984 01:01:15,672 --> 01:01:17,151 Then you'll convince him. 985 01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,947 You're good at convincing people to do things, aren't you, Mary'? 986 01:01:23,847 --> 01:01:26,851 I just want you to know how important your support has been... 987 01:01:27,017 --> 01:01:28,621 throughout this entire process. 988 01:01:28,818 --> 01:01:31,560 Call your fucking source, Mary. 989 01:01:35,392 --> 01:01:37,030 Now... 990 01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:38,900 it's bad. 991 01:01:39,129 --> 01:01:41,370 - You said he wouldn't have to. - I know, just... 992 01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:44,910 You'd verify the documents and he wouldn't have to do anything else. 993 01:01:45,135 --> 01:01:47,911 Well, it didn't work out that way, did it? 994 01:01:48,305 --> 01:01:52,344 Oh, I'm sorry, Nicki. I'm just... I'm ti... I'm just tired. 995 01:01:53,410 --> 01:01:55,014 Bill did nothing wrong. 996 01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:56,589 No one's saying he did. 997 01:01:56,813 --> 01:01:59,487 I just need to get him on the phone with my boss... 998 01:01:59,683 --> 01:02:01,356 and tell him what he told me. 999 01:02:06,223 --> 01:02:08,829 It would mean a lotto Dan. 1000 01:02:09,926 --> 01:02:11,906 Would you, please? 1001 01:02:15,332 --> 01:02:18,609 Bill, this is Andrew Heyward, I'm the president of CBS News. 1002 01:02:18,835 --> 01:02:20,475 Is Dan there? 1003 01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:22,741 I'm here, colonel. 1004 01:02:22,939 --> 01:02:25,283 Well, I heard Hodges turned tail on you. Heh. 1005 01:02:25,508 --> 01:02:27,954 All these guys run from it. 1006 01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:30,954 You know I got health problems. 1007 01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:35,196 I had heard that, which is why I don't wanna take up too much of your time. 1008 01:02:35,385 --> 01:02:38,298 I was wondering if you could fill me in on a few things. 1009 01:02:38,521 --> 01:02:39,556 Shoot. 1010 01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:42,430 Well, how you came to be in possession of the documents. 1011 01:02:42,626 --> 01:02:45,232 You told Mary it was from a man named George Conn? 1012 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:49,308 Well, she was bugging me so much about it, I had to tell her something. 1013 01:02:51,801 --> 01:02:53,712 So that's not accurate? 1014 01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:57,112 - No, sir, it is not. - Fucking... 1015 01:02:57,307 --> 01:03:00,311 Would you mind telling us what really happened? 1016 01:03:00,543 --> 01:03:02,386 "I got a sail in March from a guy."... 1017 01:03:02,579 --> 01:03:04,820 who said a woman named Lucy Ramirez... 1018 01:03:05,048 --> 01:03:06,959 wanted to get in contact with me. 1019 01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:10,791 He told me to call the Houston Holiday Inn between 7 and 10... 1020 01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:13,263 wand ask for a specific... 1021 01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:15,129 so I did. 1022 01:03:15,325 --> 01:03:18,397 This woman told me she was supposed to be a go-between... 1023 01:03:18,595 --> 01:03:22,065 a person to deliver a package of documents to me. 1024 01:03:22,265 --> 01:03:24,836 And I was supposed to copy the documents... 1025 01:03:25,068 --> 01:03:29,244 and then burn the originals, which were also copies, and the envelope. 1026 01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:32,087 - Bullshit. - Destroy the DNA evidence... 1027 01:03:32,108 --> 01:03:34,145 of where they come from, you see? 1028 01:03:34,344 --> 01:03:35,789 Yeah, of course. 1029 01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:38,482 "So she says," When are you gonna be in Houston next? 1030 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,629 I tell her, "We're coming to the livestock show in a few weeks." 1031 01:03:41,951 --> 01:03:43,692 We sell Simmental cattle. 1032 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,527 The show is en excellent way to advertise our bull semen. 1033 01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:51,669 So the first day at the show, a dark-skinned fella comes up... 1034 01:03:51,861 --> 01:03:54,467 mend hands me an envelope and walks away. 1035 01:03:54,631 --> 01:03:56,201 Inside are those memos. 1036 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,476 I burned the rest like he said,. 1037 01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:00,841 Done and done. 1038 01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:06,882 And was this the same man who talked to you on the phone? 1039 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,320 No idea, Maybe. 1040 01:04:10,513 --> 01:04:14,655 And you didn't tell Mary all this before because... 1041 01:04:14,984 --> 01:04:18,397 Well, I-I said I'd keep it quiet. 1042 01:04:18,621 --> 01:04:22,068 Mary did a good job on this. Don't judge her too harshly. 1043 01:04:22,292 --> 01:04:23,635 Thanks, Bill. 1044 01:04:25,628 --> 01:04:28,131 Well, Bill, this is, uh... 1045 01:04:28,998 --> 01:04:30,705 This is pretty amazing stuff. 1046 01:04:31,201 --> 01:04:35,911 I wonder if you'd be willing to come down and sit and talk about it for us. 1047 01:04:36,139 --> 01:04:38,813 Help clear the air for everyone. 1048 01:04:39,008 --> 01:04:41,921 I don't know. What do you mink, Dan? 1049 01:04:42,312 --> 01:04:46,988 I think they can't hit us any harder than they already are, colonel. 1050 01:04:47,484 --> 01:04:51,261 I'd go on the record and tell the truth. 1051 01:04:51,421 --> 01:04:53,230 Be done with it. 1052 01:04:58,828 --> 01:05:00,102 Okay. 1053 01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:03,768 My office will make the necessary arrangements. 1054 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,503 - Thank you for your time. - Goodbye. 1055 01:05:12,275 --> 01:05:13,396 We need him on the air soon. 1056 01:05:13,443 --> 01:05:15,423 Yep. 1057 01:05:22,018 --> 01:05:24,294 Mary, will you hang back a sec? 1058 01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:35,440 With Burkett, there needs to be a line of questioning about his motives. 1059 01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:39,444 His political leanings, his views on the president, why he lied. 1060 01:05:39,636 --> 01:05:42,776 People will cover how we cover this. We need to inoculate ourselves. 1061 01:05:42,939 --> 01:05:45,715 Thou shalt always protect the company. 1062 01:05:47,277 --> 01:05:49,382 I want Dan to survive this. 1063 01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:52,954 Why wouldn't he survive this? 1064 01:05:56,653 --> 01:06:01,398 If Dan feels like this is corporate positioning, he won't do it. 1065 01:06:01,591 --> 01:06:03,502 He won't for me. 1066 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,906 He will for you. 1067 01:06:18,174 --> 01:06:19,295 He's on oxygen, so... 1068 01:06:19,409 --> 01:06:22,253 Uhoh. The vultures are here. Oh, Jesus. 1069 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:24,991 Dan! Dan! 1070 01:06:25,181 --> 01:06:26,751 - Mary, comment? - Excuse us, folks. 1071 01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:27,986 Over here. Right here. 1072 01:06:28,418 --> 01:06:31,059 - Excuse us. Pardon me, ma'am. - Dan, a comment, please. 1073 01:06:31,187 --> 01:06:32,427 Dan! 1074 01:06:32,622 --> 01:06:33,930 Excuse us. Dan! 1075 01:06:34,123 --> 01:06:36,933 You broadcasted those fake memos. You feel duped? 1076 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:40,137 Can you confirm the memos were typed on a word processor? 1077 01:06:41,264 --> 01:06:43,335 How would you feel about betraying the people? 1078 01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:44,706 Mary! 1079 01:06:44,934 --> 01:06:47,938 Who the fuck are you people? 1080 01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:50,810 You know anybody? 1081 01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:54,854 Yeah, if you could just see if you can stop it, okay? Just get them to pull it. 1082 01:06:55,044 --> 01:06:56,853 - Colonel. - Yeah. All right. Bye. 1083 01:06:57,046 --> 01:07:00,050 - Where are the Burketts? - Upstairs, getting ready. 1084 01:07:00,450 --> 01:07:01,895 Dan? 1085 01:07:02,118 --> 01:07:04,189 We need to ask why he lied to us, okay? 1086 01:07:04,387 --> 01:07:06,526 We need to make sure we get that. 1087 01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:16,374 I just wanted to come say hello before we get things going. 1088 01:07:16,566 --> 01:07:19,069 Oh, thank you, Dan. I appreciate that. 1089 01:07:19,302 --> 01:07:21,213 - How do you do, ma'am? - Hello there. 1090 01:07:21,404 --> 01:07:24,977 Now, look, these things are fairly easy. We're just gonna sit and talk. 1091 01:07:25,174 --> 01:07:26,346 .Okay-.Okay- 1092 01:07:26,543 --> 01:07:30,355 Now, I will ask you about why you misled us. I don't want you to be surprised. 1093 01:07:30,513 --> 01:07:32,584 No, I was expecting that. 1094 01:07:32,815 --> 01:07:35,728 - I'm happy to set the record straight. - Great. 1095 01:07:35,919 --> 01:07:41,198 Now, if you need to stop, need a glass of water or anything, that's just fine. Okay? 1096 01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:44,099 Okay, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna get my war paint on. 1097 01:07:44,327 --> 01:07:46,213 That's the worst part of this job, makeup. 1098 01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:46,764 Ha, ha. 1099 01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:49,107 The sound's ready when you are. 1100 01:07:49,766 --> 01:07:52,542 It's gonna be fine, Nicki. Okay? 1101 01:07:55,572 --> 01:07:57,779 Unh. Yep. Unh. 1102 01:07:58,007 --> 01:08:00,954 But you told us a different story. 1103 01:08:01,210 --> 01:08:04,191 To protect the people who gave me the documents. 1104 01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:06,291 Did they ask you to do this? 1105 01:08:06,516 --> 01:08:08,621 They wanted me to burn everything. 1106 01:08:09,352 --> 01:08:13,425 They didn't want people to know that they were the source on this. 1107 01:08:13,623 --> 01:08:15,796 This man and this mystery woman. 1108 01:08:16,025 --> 01:08:19,700 That's right. Can I please have some water? 1109 01:08:19,896 --> 01:08:21,876 Oh, of course. 1110 01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:25,537 We need a better bite on this. 1111 01:08:25,735 --> 01:08:30,150 So maybe instead of, "Did they ask you to do this?" say, "Did they ask you to lie?" 1112 01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:34,118 Yeah. 1113 01:08:34,711 --> 01:08:36,952 Yeah. Okay. 1114 01:08:39,248 --> 01:08:43,128 Ahem. Now, we're gonna go back for a moment. 1115 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:44,389 Okay. 1116 01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:50,066 This man and this mystery woman, did they ask you to lie to us? 1117 01:08:50,259 --> 01:08:54,799 They didn't want me to say how I got the documents. 1118 01:08:54,998 --> 01:08:56,636 I see. 1119 01:08:56,833 --> 01:09:00,645 - I see. So that's why you misled us? - Yes. 1120 01:09:00,837 --> 01:09:05,115 Your producer was pushing me to find out where I got the memos from. 1121 01:09:11,014 --> 01:09:12,425 I see. 1122 01:09:12,615 --> 01:09:15,528 So then, that's why you lied to us? 1123 01:09:16,252 --> 01:09:17,629 Yes. 1124 01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:19,424 And I know it caused some... 1125 01:09:20,857 --> 01:09:22,859 Some problems. Excuse me. 1126 01:10:02,532 --> 01:10:04,012 - Whenever you're ready. - Yeah. 1127 01:10:04,067 --> 01:10:05,705 Okay. 1128 01:10:07,704 --> 01:10:10,913 You said you knew that these memos would cause a problem? 1129 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:15,020 I knew it did, but I didn't know it at the time. 1130 01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:18,852 I see. Now, again... 1131 01:10:19,082 --> 01:10:22,894 why didn't you tell us the truth when you gave us those memos? 1132 01:10:23,853 --> 01:10:25,332 To protect people, Dan. 1133 01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:31,263 People who were trying to tell the truth about what really happened back then. 1134 01:10:33,162 --> 01:10:37,042 And do you believe those documents are telling the truth? 1135 01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,838 Yes. Yes, I do. 1136 01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:42,876 I see. I see, So... 1137 01:10:47,944 --> 01:10:50,447 - We already have that. - I need to make sure we... 1138 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,956 No, we've got it. I'm moving on. 1139 01:11:05,795 --> 01:11:07,297 He's a good guy, you know. 1140 01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:09,601 You think I enjoyed that? 1141 01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,906 We should cut something for the news... 1142 01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,582 get it out immediately. Andrew agrees. 1143 01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:19,083 F.E.A. 1144 01:11:20,643 --> 01:11:23,954 You know, you guys and Dan always say that. What the hell does it mean? 1145 01:11:25,548 --> 01:11:26,583 It's open. 1146 01:11:34,557 --> 01:11:36,230 Excuse me. 1147 01:11:38,294 --> 01:11:39,329 How's Bill? 1148 01:11:41,664 --> 01:11:44,736 Oh, don't you dare ask how Bill is. 1149 01:11:44,901 --> 01:11:48,849 Bill is sick. He's a sick man. You don't give a damn about him. 1150 01:11:49,405 --> 01:11:52,614 You just spent two hours trying to destroy him. 1151 01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:55,289 You made him crawl on camera. 1152 01:11:55,478 --> 01:11:58,425 You made him say again and again that he lied. 1153 01:11:58,614 --> 01:12:01,618 And that still wasn't enough for you. You wanted more. 1154 01:12:01,784 --> 01:12:04,492 You wanted to blame him for all the things you did wrong... 1155 01:12:04,654 --> 01:12:06,292 putting this story together. 1156 01:12:06,489 --> 01:12:09,936 You wanna wrap it in a neat package, say "it's Bill Burkett's fault." 1157 01:12:10,126 --> 01:12:12,265 Well, it's not, and you know it. 1158 01:12:12,461 --> 01:12:14,498 You promised when we came here to do this... 1159 01:12:14,697 --> 01:12:18,543 that we would get a fair shake, and we got nothing from you but lies. 1160 01:12:18,768 --> 01:12:21,510 - Nicki... - You may think I am some stupid hick... 1161 01:12:21,704 --> 01:12:23,945 who doesn't know a damn thing... 1162 01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:27,019 and you're so smart and such a big shot. 1163 01:12:27,210 --> 01:12:28,553 But I keep my promises... 1164 01:12:28,778 --> 01:12:31,281 and I don't destroy people to protect myself. 1165 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,984 I don't destroy people and humiliate them... 1166 01:12:35,484 --> 01:12:39,455 and then pretend I give a goddamn about how they are. 1167 01:12:40,456 --> 01:12:44,495 To answer your question, Bill is not good. 1168 01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:46,901 But then, you knew that already. 1169 01:13:18,527 --> 01:13:19,767 We need to talk. 1170 01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,582 What are the chances you have something alcoholic in there? 1171 01:13:34,543 --> 01:13:36,420 Better than average. 1172 01:13:42,919 --> 01:13:44,921 How long have we known each other? 1173 01:13:45,121 --> 01:13:47,226 Oh, Jesus, is it that bad? 1174 01:13:49,859 --> 01:13:52,430 They're gonna start an investigation. 1175 01:13:53,195 --> 01:13:56,369 And CBS wants to appoint an independent panel... 1176 01:13:56,565 --> 01:13:59,273 to take a look at how the story was put together. 1177 01:13:59,802 --> 01:14:01,804 And I'm gonna announce it. 1178 01:14:02,471 --> 01:14:03,950 Tomorrow. 1179 01:14:05,908 --> 01:14:10,789 I'm gonna apologize for the story, on air. 1180 01:14:12,214 --> 01:14:13,955 Andrew asked you to apologize? 1181 01:14:16,419 --> 01:14:18,399 He didn't ask. 1182 01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:24,428 - Dan, that's... It's surrender. - Ever since Burkett changed his story... 1183 01:14:24,627 --> 01:14:27,904 Andrew feels that CBS cant afford the risk to its reputation... 1184 01:14:28,097 --> 01:14:29,440 Oh, God. He knew. 1185 01:14:29,598 --> 01:14:32,670 Even before we went down there. Just wanted to get Burkett on tape. 1186 01:14:32,835 --> 01:14:34,678 Mary, you gotta promise me something. 1187 01:14:35,504 --> 01:14:36,949 Stop worrying about me. 1188 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:38,846 Yeah, well, that's not gonna happen. 1189 01:14:39,075 --> 01:14:41,351 You gotta protect yourself now. 1190 01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:44,783 We all do. 1191 01:14:50,086 --> 01:14:52,157 Thank you for the drink. 1192 01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:06,609 New, news about CBS News... 1193 01:15:06,802 --> 01:15:10,147 wand the questions surrounding documents we aired on this broadcast... 1194 01:15:10,339 --> 01:15:13,684 and on the Wednesday edition of 60 Minutes on September the 8th. 1195 01:15:14,844 --> 01:15:18,018 The documents purported to show George W. Bush received... 1196 01:15:18,214 --> 01:15:22,560 "preferential treatment during his years in the Texas Air National Guard." 1197 01:15:22,785 --> 01:15:26,289 At the time, CBS News and this reporter... 1198 01:15:26,489 --> 01:15:29,129 fully believed the documents were genuine. 1199 01:15:29,392 --> 01:15:31,998 Tonight, after further investigation... 1200 01:15:32,194 --> 01:15:35,573 we can no longer vouch for their authenticity. 1201 01:15:40,703 --> 01:15:43,240 I'm sorry this was your first story here. 1202 01:15:45,908 --> 01:15:49,981 Well, I was thinking next week... 1203 01:15:50,579 --> 01:15:53,185 we just have Dan shoot the president. 1204 01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:55,658 Cause a lot less drama. 1205 01:16:00,689 --> 01:16:05,069 Hey, uh... Hey, Mary, USA Today wants to know if you put Burkett in touch... 1206 01:16:05,261 --> 01:16:08,242 with the Kerry campaign in exchange for documents. 1207 01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:14,771 I know what this is about. Josh, do you remember when I told you... 1208 01:16:15,004 --> 01:16:19,043 Burkett wanted to give the Kerry campaign advice on the Swift Boat stuff? 1209 01:16:20,042 --> 01:16:22,181 Remember, I wanted to do a bullshit check... 1210 01:16:22,378 --> 01:16:24,858 after he said he spoke with Howard Dean. 1211 01:16:25,047 --> 01:16:28,688 And you said that I could contact the Kerry people to check. 1212 01:16:28,884 --> 01:16:31,387 Then Burkett wanted me to give him his phone number... 1213 01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:33,760 and you said I could, so... 1214 01:16:33,956 --> 01:16:36,869 So... So I did. Do you... 1215 01:16:37,026 --> 01:16:38,733 Do you not remember any of this? 1216 01:16:40,629 --> 01:16:42,074 I must not have been clear. 1217 01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:46,076 You must have misunderstood what it was you could do. 1218 01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,908 Oh, Jesus Christ, this is, uh... 1219 01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:52,612 This is unbelievable. I mean, what the fuck else is gonna happen? 1220 01:16:52,808 --> 01:16:54,947 - Be... Betsy... - No. 1221 01:16:55,377 --> 01:16:59,052 You know what, Mary? Maybe it's best if you just went home. 1222 01:17:18,067 --> 01:17:19,842 The failure of CBS News... 1223 01:17:20,069 --> 01:17:23,778 to properly, fully scrutinize the documents and their source... 1224 01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:28,922 led to our airing the documents when we should have not done so. 1225 01:17:29,445 --> 01:17:34,190 Xi was a mistake. CBS News deeply regrets it. 1226 01:17:34,416 --> 01:17:39,832 Also, I want to say, personally and directly, I am sorry. 1227 01:17:40,523 --> 01:17:44,972 CBS has hired the firm of Kirkpatrick & Lockhart Nicholson Graham... 1228 01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:47,607 to conduct a review panel. 1229 01:17:48,264 --> 01:17:49,937 You paper-trailed them. 1230 01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,868 Of course. 1231 01:17:52,101 --> 01:17:56,049 They're a big firm, got about a thousand lawyers headquartered in Seattle. 1232 01:17:56,272 --> 01:17:59,048 They specialize in internal investigations. 1233 01:17:59,275 --> 01:18:03,348 They're the same ones that Bush brought in last year to rip apart WorldCom. 1234 01:18:03,546 --> 01:18:04,991 We're as bad as them? 1235 01:18:05,181 --> 01:18:07,855 - Oh, it gets worse. - The panel... 1236 01:18:08,851 --> 01:18:13,527 will be co-chaired by K & L partner Richard Thornburgh. 1237 01:18:13,722 --> 01:18:17,169 He's the former governor of Pennsylvania, first appointed... 1238 01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:19,566 as a U.S. attorney under Richard Nixon. 1239 01:18:19,795 --> 01:18:23,333 Ran for Congress twice. Defeated both times by Democrats. 1240 01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,638 His second campaign was run by Karl Rove. 1241 01:18:26,835 --> 01:18:27,870 Yup. 1242 01:18:28,037 --> 01:18:29,482 But the crown jewel in his résumé... 1243 01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:33,381 is the time served as U.S. attorney general from '88 to '91 1244 01:18:33,576 --> 01:18:37,023 under former president George H.W. Bush. 1245 01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:39,022 Jesus. 1246 01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:41,251 Who goes in first? 1247 01:18:41,684 --> 01:18:43,721 First Dan, then me... 1248 01:18:43,919 --> 01:18:48,061 then Lucy, the colonel, then you. 1249 01:18:48,257 --> 01:18:49,531 You're the grand finale. 1250 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,033 And why? Why is that? 1251 01:18:51,227 --> 01:18:54,003 Because they wanna have as much as they can on you... 1252 01:18:54,196 --> 01:18:56,335 when they sit you down in that chair. 1253 01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,112 Holy shit. 1254 01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,244 Yeah, I'm sorry. She's not speaking to reporters. 1255 01:19:07,843 --> 01:19:10,847 - It's Heyward. - If they put someone else on, hang up. 1256 01:19:11,614 --> 01:19:14,561 They can't fire you if they don't have a witness on the line. 1257 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:18,220 - Thanks for the pep talk. Andrew. - Mary. 1258 01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:21,731 We've hired a private detective to go back over everything. 1259 01:19:22,091 --> 01:19:25,265 I need you to hand over your notes, your e-mails, everything. 1260 01:19:25,461 --> 01:19:28,237 Listen, I was thinking, if we could find the typewriter... 1261 01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:30,740 Stop working on the story. 1262 01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:40,750 Well, all work on the Bush-Guard story has officially ceased. 1263 01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,483 I can't imagine why. 1264 01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:50,252 Hey, what are you looking at, buddy? 1265 01:19:50,452 --> 01:19:51,988 The men with the cameras. 1266 01:19:55,991 --> 01:19:58,335 Are they friends of yours? 1267 01:20:06,502 --> 01:20:07,947 No. 1268 01:20:08,137 --> 01:20:09,275 Take him upstairs. 1269 01:20:12,675 --> 01:20:15,246 In other news, CBS' internal investigation... 1270 01:20:15,444 --> 01:20:19,449 into their story on George W. Bush's National Guard service begins today... 1271 01:20:19,648 --> 01:20:22,686 with the review panel convening at Black Rock. 1272 01:20:27,856 --> 01:20:31,133 I left my wallet in a cab. I'm supposed to be in front of the panel. 1273 01:20:31,327 --> 01:20:32,465 You can't be here. 1274 01:20:32,661 --> 01:20:35,608 - Excuse me? - You're not allowed in the building. 1275 01:20:35,798 --> 01:20:38,506 I'm not allowed in the building according to who? 1276 01:20:38,701 --> 01:20:41,773 Management. You have to go, now. 1277 01:20:43,038 --> 01:20:44,142 Uh... 1278 01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:47,116 Okay, do you understand what's happening here? 1279 01:20:47,309 --> 01:20:49,789 I understand you're leaving. 1280 01:20:51,313 --> 01:20:55,022 Our... Your parent company is currently lobbying... 1281 01:20:55,217 --> 01:20:58,721 a Republican-controlled Congress for deregulation and tax breaks... 1282 01:20:58,954 --> 01:21:02,561 that could potentially save them hundreds of millions of dollars. 1283 01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:06,172 And we just aired a report that could cost those same Republicans... 1284 01:21:06,328 --> 01:21:09,207 - the presidency. - Security to the 10th floor now. 1285 01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:13,373 You think Viacom might need the administration on their side? 1286 01:21:13,569 --> 01:21:16,675 You think they might be desperate to make it up to him right now? 1287 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:20,581 Make up for CBS running stories on Abu Ghraib, the president, and Vietnam... 1288 01:21:20,809 --> 01:21:24,347 and all the other shit that isn't part of your scheduled programming? 1289 01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:28,722 Of course everyone wants it to disappear. There's a fucking election at stake! 1290 01:21:29,351 --> 01:21:31,922 You're supposed to question everything. That's your job. 1291 01:21:32,087 --> 01:21:36,092 We are supposed to question everything, and, what, you won't even question this? 1292 01:21:37,092 --> 01:21:39,368 - Are you done? - Am I done? 1293 01:21:39,561 --> 01:21:41,871 Know when the FCC repealed cross-ownership laws... 1294 01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:45,739 a single company could own 45 percent of the national market share? 1295 01:21:46,068 --> 01:21:48,844 Forty-five percent of the national market share. 1296 01:21:49,037 --> 01:21:51,415 People fucking flipped. They lost their shit. 1297 01:21:51,607 --> 01:21:54,417 They actually sat down and wrote their local congressmen. 1298 01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:57,284 So in the 2003 appropriations bill, guess what... 1299 01:21:57,513 --> 01:22:00,084 Congress overturned it. Woo-hoo! 1300 01:22:00,449 --> 01:22:03,453 Hooray for democracy, right? 1301 01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:06,029 Nope. The president wouldn't sign it. 1302 01:22:06,221 --> 01:22:09,759 Bush threatened to veto the bill unless a compromise was found at 39 percent. 1303 01:22:09,958 --> 01:22:11,028 And why 39 percent? 1304 01:22:11,193 --> 01:22:14,902 That's the exact percent Viacom wouldn't have to sell off any of their stations. 1305 01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:17,873 The president of the United States was ready to take down... 1306 01:22:18,033 --> 01:22:22,641 the entire federal budget so that Viacom wouldn't lose any money! 1307 01:22:29,478 --> 01:22:31,082 You're right. 1308 01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:34,653 Yeah, we're... We're all evil. 1309 01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:37,055 And you're the... You're the... 1310 01:22:37,252 --> 01:22:39,129 plucky, misunderstood hero. 1311 01:22:39,888 --> 01:22:42,960 It's not that you guys fucked up a story. No, no, it's... It's... 1312 01:22:43,125 --> 01:22:45,765 It's a conspiracy, right? 1313 01:22:50,098 --> 01:22:52,408 They're gonna screw you too, you know. 1314 01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:11,492 Hey, I never got to ask you. 1315 01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,762 Why did you get into journalism? 1316 01:23:16,325 --> 01:23:18,168 Curiosity. 1317 01:23:20,762 --> 01:23:22,207 That's it? 1318 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:25,542 That's everything. 1319 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:30,984 Why'd you get into it? 1320 01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:35,044 You. 1321 01:23:38,046 --> 01:23:41,994 Mr. Rather, the panel is ready for you. 1322 01:23:55,130 --> 01:23:59,135 It's even worse than we thought. They asked if you bullied staff or sources. 1323 01:23:59,301 --> 01:24:02,009 If you physically intimidated people to get what you want. 1324 01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:04,377 I hope you told them I beat the shit out of you. 1325 01:24:04,540 --> 01:24:07,885 Mary, they... It's... This isn't a joke, okay? 1326 01:24:08,076 --> 01:24:10,215 They asked about your politics. 1327 01:24:10,412 --> 01:24:14,417 The deck is stacked, okay? The game's rigged. Between this... 1328 01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:18,254 talk radio and your father, ifs a fucking lynching. 1329 01:24:19,021 --> 01:24:20,227 What about my father? 1330 01:24:22,324 --> 01:24:25,203 Nothing. I... Don't... it's... Forget it. 1331 01:24:25,394 --> 01:24:27,374 What about my father, Mike? 1332 01:24:28,030 --> 01:24:30,032 Look, I'm sorry, I thought you knew. 1333 01:24:32,568 --> 01:24:35,242 I'm ashamed of what my daughter has become. 1334 01:24:35,437 --> 01:24:36,438 You are? 1335 01:24:36,772 --> 01:24:38,843 She's a typical liberal. 1336 01:24:39,007 --> 01:24:41,214 She went into journalism with an ax to grind... 1337 01:24:41,376 --> 01:24:44,050 mend that was to promote radical feminism. 1338 01:24:44,379 --> 01:24:47,758 So would you say this is a pattern of hers? 1339 01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:49,224 Oh, sure. 1340 01:24:49,384 --> 01:24:51,955 You know, when I heard this was a 60 Minutes story... 1341 01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,294 I figured she would be the producer of the show. 1342 01:24:55,457 --> 01:24:57,869 She and that Dan Rather have been working on this... 1343 01:24:58,026 --> 01:25:02,202 ever since Bush was elected. She should really be looking at George... 1344 01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:14,750 Hello? 1345 01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:17,220 You can't talk to the press anymore, Don. 1346 01:25:17,379 --> 01:25:19,552 - Who is this? - You know who this is. 1347 01:25:19,715 --> 01:25:21,558 Just for once in your life, be decent. 1348 01:25:21,717 --> 01:25:23,594 I'm expressing my opinion. 1349 01:25:23,752 --> 01:25:26,289 I thought you reporters were a“ about that. 1350 01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:29,459 Okay, well, if you don't stop talking to the press... 1351 01:25:29,625 --> 01:25:32,231 I'll fly up there myself and break your fucking arms. 1352 01:25:32,394 --> 01:25:33,998 - How about that? - Is that him? 1353 01:25:34,963 --> 01:25:37,671 - Here, let me talk to him. - Mar. 1354 01:25:37,899 --> 01:25:39,572 - Mark, just give me the phone. - Mar. 1355 01:25:39,735 --> 01:25:41,646 Just give me the phone, Mark. 1356 01:25:43,005 --> 01:25:45,485 - Daddy? - Yes. 1357 01:25:50,445 --> 01:25:52,755 Daddy, please stop. 1358 01:25:54,282 --> 01:25:57,752 Well, since you asked, I will. 1359 01:25:57,953 --> 01:25:59,330 Oh... 1360 01:26:23,178 --> 01:26:25,454 I can't anymore. 1361 01:26:26,815 --> 01:26:29,989 - Yes, you can. - No. I don't want to. 1362 01:26:30,152 --> 01:26:33,361 They can have my career. I don't care. 1363 01:26:33,889 --> 01:26:37,166 God, I never should have asked the question. 1364 01:26:38,193 --> 01:26:41,037 So, what, they're right, you're wrong? 1365 01:26:41,396 --> 01:26:43,398 Guess so. 1366 01:26:47,369 --> 01:26:51,647 And, um, what about Dan? 1367 01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,651 That's not fair. 1368 01:26:53,809 --> 01:26:56,255 "It's a shame what that woman did to Dan Rather." 1369 01:26:56,411 --> 01:26:58,049 - That's what they're saying. - Don't. 1370 01:26:58,213 --> 01:27:02,059 "How he's going to go down? Well, it's just a disgrace." 1371 01:27:02,851 --> 01:27:05,559 And Robert'll get to see you quit, that'll be good for him. 1372 01:27:05,721 --> 01:27:07,098 Oh, fuck you. 1373 01:27:07,255 --> 01:27:09,064 Listen to me. Listen. 1374 01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:11,500 You gotta make your case to the panel, honey. 1375 01:27:11,693 --> 01:27:13,331 You have to fight. 1376 01:27:13,495 --> 01:27:15,907 - Even if the system's rigged? - The system is rigged. 1377 01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:18,066 It always has been. You know that. 1378 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,210 You still have to tell them what happened. 1379 01:27:23,538 --> 01:27:25,074 Why? 1380 01:27:28,844 --> 01:27:31,051 Because that's what we do. 1381 01:27:46,428 --> 01:27:50,240 So do you believe me? 1382 01:27:51,733 --> 01:27:54,213 Do you believe I did my job? 1383 01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:57,103 I told you it doesn't matter what I believe. 1384 01:27:57,129 --> 01:27:58,141 It does to me. 1385 01:27:59,141 --> 01:28:01,212 If you'd like someone else to represent you... 1386 01:28:01,376 --> 01:28:03,652 Why don't you just tell me why I shouldn't? 1387 01:28:05,881 --> 01:28:08,885 - What do you want out of this? - Excuse me? 1388 01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:11,792 Do you wanna get into a debate about journalism with them... 1389 01:28:11,953 --> 01:28:15,298 - or do you wanna keep your job? - I can't do both? 1390 01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:17,902 Not at this point, no. 1391 01:28:18,794 --> 01:28:21,070 You're the primary breadwinner, is that correct? 1392 01:28:25,333 --> 01:28:26,812 Yes. 1393 01:28:26,968 --> 01:28:29,414 And your son is 7. 1394 01:28:30,739 --> 01:28:33,982 This isn't a trial, this is a hunt. 1395 01:28:34,142 --> 01:28:36,588 This is about assignation of blame, who is at fault. 1396 01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,156 Because somebody has to be. 1397 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:40,759 Debate that with them, and you're done. 1398 01:28:40,982 --> 01:28:43,189 You have one chance here. 1399 01:28:43,451 --> 01:28:46,364 Among all the conservative lawyers on that panel... 1400 01:28:46,521 --> 01:28:49,092 there is one former journalist co-chairing it. 1401 01:28:49,257 --> 01:28:52,795 Lou Boccardi, the former head of the Associated Press. 1402 01:28:52,961 --> 01:28:56,499 He's the one man who can maybe understand what happened. 1403 01:28:56,665 --> 01:29:01,011 You convince him, maybe he can turn the others. 1404 01:29:01,369 --> 01:29:03,781 But if you antagonize them... 1405 01:29:04,172 --> 01:29:06,550 if you bait them, if you fight them... 1406 01:29:06,708 --> 01:29:08,016 you will lose. 1407 01:29:11,146 --> 01:29:13,217 You're fucking hired. 1408 01:29:18,386 --> 01:29:20,957 You're going to cooperate in every way. 1409 01:29:21,690 --> 01:29:24,671 Follow every request and instruction. 1410 01:29:24,826 --> 01:29:26,396 There is no standard here. 1411 01:29:26,561 --> 01:29:30,805 No books full of journalistic laws, no written codes. 1412 01:29:30,999 --> 01:29:32,910 There is just opinion,. 1413 01:29:33,134 --> 01:29:35,705 And we have to sway it. 1414 01:29:53,154 --> 01:29:54,724 That's Thornburgh. 1415 01:29:55,991 --> 01:29:58,597 - Which one's the journalist? - He's just there. 1416 01:30:04,499 --> 01:30:06,604 Ms. Mapes, thanks for coming in. Mm-hm. 1417 01:30:06,768 --> 01:30:10,238 I'm Larry Lanpher. I'm lead council along with Mike Missal here. 1418 01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:11,748 Pleasure. 1419 01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:13,851 I notice there's no stenographer. 1420 01:30:14,042 --> 01:30:16,249 Well, this is an internal investigation. 1421 01:30:16,411 --> 01:30:19,255 We're just gonna take some notes as we go along. 1422 01:30:19,748 --> 01:30:21,785 So there'll be no official record? 1423 01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:24,188 It's fine. 1424 01:30:24,552 --> 01:30:27,726 Would you like to take a bathroom break before we begin? 1425 01:30:27,889 --> 01:30:29,800 You sure? 1426 01:30:29,958 --> 01:30:31,130 I'm not that delicate. 1427 01:30:33,295 --> 01:30:36,105 - I'd like one. - Okay. 1428 01:30:36,298 --> 01:30:38,107 Start again in two minutes, everyone. 1429 01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:46,949 I want you to stay calm in there. 1430 01:30:47,108 --> 01:30:49,714 - Don't I look calm? - Not even a little. 1431 01:30:50,412 --> 01:30:52,756 Now, they're gonna try to catch you off balance. 1432 01:30:52,914 --> 01:30:55,394 When they ask you a question, answer it. 1433 01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:58,128 Tell them what time it is, not how to build a clock. 1434 01:30:58,286 --> 01:31:00,323 - But... - Don't fight. 1435 01:31:01,323 --> 01:31:02,825 Okay? 1436 01:31:05,226 --> 01:31:06,899 Okay. 1437 01:31:07,395 --> 01:31:08,396 Don't fight. 1438 01:31:20,909 --> 01:31:23,116 I'd like to talk a little bit about language. 1439 01:31:23,611 --> 01:31:25,420 Absolutely. 1440 01:31:25,613 --> 01:31:28,651 This is a printout of e-mails sent back and forth by your group... 1441 01:31:28,817 --> 01:31:30,138 during the investigation. Mm-hm. 1442 01:31:30,318 --> 01:31:33,299 In this one to Mike Smith, what did the two of you mean... 1443 01:31:33,455 --> 01:31:37,665 when you referred to a piece of "tasty brisket"? 1444 01:31:39,527 --> 01:31:42,872 That referred to a piece of information Mike uncovered... 1445 01:31:43,031 --> 01:31:46,103 working on a documentary for the Germans. 1446 01:31:46,701 --> 01:31:49,204 A piece of information against the president? 1447 01:31:51,306 --> 01:31:55,220 I think specifically, it referred to Bush losing his nerve while flying. 1448 01:31:55,443 --> 01:31:58,981 Which you did not mention in the report you aired on 60 Minutes. 1449 01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:01,524 I didn't think we had it nailed down. 1450 01:32:01,683 --> 01:32:03,185 Would it be accurate to say... 1451 01:32:03,351 --> 01:32:06,560 you were looking for anything negative about the president? 1452 01:32:06,721 --> 01:32:09,497 I'd say it's accurate we were looking for any information... 1453 01:32:09,657 --> 01:32:12,160 on his time in the Guard that hadn't come to light. 1454 01:32:12,394 --> 01:32:14,396 And that's what made it tasty? 1455 01:32:14,562 --> 01:32:17,543 Not because it reflected poorly on the president? 1456 01:32:17,699 --> 01:32:22,148 It was tasty because it had the potential to be newsworthy. 1457 01:32:22,303 --> 01:32:25,375 Look, Mike and I are friends, so we use shorthand. 1458 01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:27,213 Sarcasm, jokes. You know. 1459 01:32:27,409 --> 01:32:29,480 Is that common in your industry? 1460 01:32:29,844 --> 01:32:30,879 I suppose. 1461 01:32:31,046 --> 01:32:34,858 When dealing with matters as serious as this, ifs common to make jokes? 1462 01:32:36,051 --> 01:32:40,056 I can assure you, we take our work very, very seriously. 1463 01:32:40,255 --> 01:32:41,757 Hm. 1464 01:32:41,923 --> 01:32:44,733 I also wanted to ask you about this e-mail... 1465 01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:50,343 from Roger Charles where he says he feels better about the documents... 1466 01:32:50,498 --> 01:32:52,535 Mmhm. Because of their formatting. 1467 01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:55,772 Colonel Charles originally thought the documents were fake? 1468 01:32:56,237 --> 01:32:57,614 I don't believe so. 1469 01:32:57,939 --> 01:33:01,580 Then... Then... Then why would he say he feels better? 1470 01:33:02,744 --> 01:33:06,123 Because it seemed that what our source was telling us was true. 1471 01:33:06,281 --> 01:33:11,594 I have to disagree. Even the subject line in the e-mail is "I feel better"... 1472 01:33:11,753 --> 01:33:14,461 with three exclamation points. 1473 01:33:14,622 --> 01:33:17,228 It seems Colonel Charles initially had doubts. 1474 01:33:20,361 --> 01:33:23,137 I think you'd have to ask Colonel Charles. 1475 01:33:23,932 --> 01:33:26,708 Hm. Mm-hm. 1476 01:33:27,368 --> 01:33:33,148 But also, um, I would say that he was coming from the place of not being sure... 1477 01:33:33,308 --> 01:33:37,222 if the memos were real or not, and then becoming confident that they were. 1478 01:33:37,412 --> 01:33:38,948 Really? 1479 01:33:39,714 --> 01:33:43,127 Forgive me for saying, but your testimony so far doesn't bear that out. 1480 01:33:43,284 --> 01:33:44,763 - How so? - Excuse me. 1481 01:33:44,919 --> 01:33:46,830 This isn't testimony, remember? 1482 01:33:47,288 --> 01:33:49,598 If it was impossible to authenticate the memos... 1483 01:33:49,757 --> 01:33:53,432 doesn't it stand to reason that you initially assumed the memos were real... 1484 01:33:53,595 --> 01:33:56,974 - rather than the other way around? - I wouldn't say that. 1485 01:33:57,332 --> 01:33:58,811 Well, what would you say? 1486 01:33:59,634 --> 01:34:02,672 It seems you assumed the memos were real from the outset... 1487 01:34:02,904 --> 01:34:06,113 and you looked to make sure that nothing disproved that. 1488 01:34:06,274 --> 01:34:11,417 Essentially, you took the position that the president was guilty until proven innocent. 1489 01:34:12,113 --> 01:34:14,855 We took several steps to vet these memos. 1490 01:34:15,083 --> 01:34:16,323 Mm-hm. Such as? 1491 01:34:17,185 --> 01:34:18,585 - Well... - There were only... 1492 01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:20,691 two signatures, only two sets of initials. 1493 01:34:20,855 --> 01:34:23,461 Hardly enough comparison for a handwriting match. 1494 01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:27,038 And you said yourself that no carbon or ink tests could be performed. 1495 01:34:27,262 --> 01:34:30,937 In fact, two of the four analysts you hired said they had strong reservations... 1496 01:34:31,099 --> 01:34:32,635 about the memos' authenticity. 1497 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,805 Much of the formatting and terminology used is consistent with the period... 1498 01:34:37,005 --> 01:34:38,348 - as is... - That's debatable. 1499 01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:41,385 Consistent with the period, as is the content of the memos... 1500 01:34:41,543 --> 01:34:45,184 which was verified by several sources, including those close to Killian. 1501 01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:48,350 Um, then, uh, what about this? 1502 01:34:48,516 --> 01:34:49,654 Um... 1503 01:34:51,219 --> 01:34:52,823 "OETR"? 1504 01:34:54,222 --> 01:34:57,635 Is this one of the terminologies that's consistent with the period? 1505 01:34:57,792 --> 01:34:59,203 Mm-hm. I believe so. 1506 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:03,308 - What does that stand for? - Officer Effectiveness Training Report. 1507 01:35:03,464 --> 01:35:07,344 Actually, the correct acronym is OER. 1508 01:35:07,502 --> 01:35:11,211 Officer Effectiveness Report. No T. 1509 01:35:12,073 --> 01:35:15,577 Isn't it true that "Officer Effectiveness Training Report" doesn't appear... 1510 01:35:15,743 --> 01:35:19,418 anywhere on any official document, and this is a phrase that you created... 1511 01:35:19,581 --> 01:35:22,994 to explain this incorrect abbreviation in your memos? 1512 01:35:23,151 --> 01:35:25,654 - That is not true. - It isn't? 1513 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,595 - I would not do something like that. - Then prove it. 1514 01:35:49,577 --> 01:35:52,421 Official document, top of the page. 1515 01:35:52,714 --> 01:35:54,022 Um... 1516 01:35:54,182 --> 01:35:55,422 Tab 21. 1517 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,196 - Mike? - Of course. 1518 01:36:05,627 --> 01:36:07,129 Oh. 1519 01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:09,402 I see that. 1520 01:36:09,564 --> 01:36:11,441 I'm sorry, my mistake. 1521 01:36:23,444 --> 01:36:25,287 Clearly, you did well. 1522 01:36:25,446 --> 01:36:28,791 They're gonna regroup, call you back in next month. 1523 01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:30,293 Next month? 1524 01:36:30,451 --> 01:36:34,422 They've decided to delay announcing the panel's findings till after the election. 1525 01:36:35,957 --> 01:36:38,062 Don't look so glum. Just keep your head down. 1526 01:36:38,226 --> 01:36:39,637 You'll make it out of this. 1527 01:36:44,399 --> 01:36:47,676 I'm looking forward to sen/ing this country for four more years. 1528 01:36:48,069 --> 01:36:50,481 I wanna thank you for your hard work in the campaign. 1529 01:36:50,638 --> 01:36:54,984 I told you that the other day and you probably thought I was seeking votes. 1530 01:36:56,911 --> 01:36:59,687 But now that you voted, I really meant it. 1531 01:36:59,914 --> 01:37:01,985 I appreciate the hard work of the press corps. 1532 01:37:02,150 --> 01:37:05,620 We all put in long hours. You're away from your families for a long period. 1533 01:37:05,787 --> 01:37:08,131 But the country's better off when we have... 1534 01:37:08,289 --> 01:37:10,667 a vigorous and free press covering our elections. 1535 01:37:10,958 --> 01:37:12,437 And thanks for your work. 1536 01:37:12,593 --> 01:37:16,166 Without over-pandering, I'll answer a few questions. 1537 01:37:16,364 --> 01:37:17,672 Hunt? 1538 01:37:17,832 --> 01:37:20,210 Mr. President. Thank you. 1539 01:37:20,368 --> 01:37:24,783 As you look at your second term, how much is the war in Iraq going to cost? 1540 01:37:24,939 --> 01:37:28,853 Do you intend is send more troops or bring troops home'? 1541 01:37:29,010 --> 01:37:31,320 And in the Middle East more broadly... 1542 01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,188 do you agree with Tony Blair that revitalizing the Middle East... 1543 01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:40,732 peace process is the single most pressing political issue facing me world? 1544 01:37:41,122 --> 01:37:42,829 Now that I've got the will of the people... 1545 01:37:42,990 --> 01:37:47,200 I'm going to start enforcing the one-question rule. 1546 01:37:47,729 --> 01:37:49,003 Thai was three questions. 1547 01:37:52,633 --> 01:37:54,544 I'll star? With Tony Blair's comments. 1548 01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:56,903 I agree with him that the Middle East peace is a very... 1549 01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:07,582 Hello. 1550 01:38:09,884 --> 01:38:13,525 Mary, it's Dan plus three. 1551 01:38:13,688 --> 01:38:17,261 Well, I'm working on a Chardonnay Xanax cocktail... 1552 01:38:17,425 --> 01:38:19,701 - if it makes you feel any better. - Heh. 1553 01:38:19,861 --> 01:38:23,434 Did you know that 60 Minutes was the first news program... 1554 01:38:23,598 --> 01:38:25,544 to ever make money? 1555 01:38:26,234 --> 01:38:29,704 Before that, all news divisions operated at a financial loss. 1556 01:38:32,006 --> 01:38:36,546 You know, when the government gave the networks the airwaves... 1557 01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:39,452 it was with the stipulation that... 1558 01:38:39,614 --> 01:38:43,357 they'd be used in some capacity for the public good. 1559 01:38:43,551 --> 01:38:45,360 And that... That was the news. 1560 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,023 They... They made their money elsewhere on the schedule. 1561 01:38:48,222 --> 01:38:51,431 But reporting the news was a duty. It was... 1562 01:38:51,793 --> 01:38:52,965 It was a trust. 1563 01:38:54,429 --> 01:38:58,036 You know when Don Hewitt started 60 Minutes, it was in 1968... 1564 01:38:58,232 --> 01:39:01,145 it built to enormous ratings. God, it was... 1565 01:39:01,369 --> 01:39:03,315 God, I! Was wonderful. 1566 01:39:03,471 --> 01:39:08,284 I mean, people were really watching the news. I mean, they cared. 1567 01:39:08,810 --> 01:39:11,484 And, God, we figured out a way to give it to them. 1568 01:39:11,646 --> 01:39:13,592 I was there, Mary. 1569 01:39:14,315 --> 01:39:18,730 I was there the day they figured out that news could make money. 1570 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,065 Hm,. 1571 01:39:21,589 --> 01:39:24,433 After a while it dawned on them, "How come the evening news..." 1572 01:39:24,592 --> 01:39:26,936 isn't a profit center too? 1573 01:39:27,094 --> 01:39:30,234 "Why aren't the morning shows earning more?" 1574 01:39:31,899 --> 01:39:35,437 If you interview Survivor contestants instead of survivors of the genocide... 1575 01:39:35,603 --> 01:39:38,015 your ad rates go up. 1576 01:39:40,908 --> 01:39:45,323 Pretty soon we won't even run down our own stories because it's too expensive. 1577 01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:46,515 We'll just... 1578 01:39:48,282 --> 01:39:53,027 We'll just pay someone else to do it, then we'll read them on the air for show. 1579 01:39:56,324 --> 01:39:59,305 It was a public trust once. 1580 01:39:59,994 --> 01:40:02,304 I swear to you it was. 1581 01:40:04,665 --> 01:40:06,770 How you doing, Dan? 1582 01:40:09,937 --> 01:40:11,712 I'm stepping down as anchor. 1583 01:40:17,011 --> 01:40:18,285 When'? 1584 01:40:19,780 --> 01:40:21,691 After inauguration. 1585 01:40:26,554 --> 01:40:28,534 Oh, Dan. 1586 01:40:30,191 --> 01:40:31,568 You didn't cause this, Mary. 1587 01:40:32,026 --> 01:40:35,132 Well, you're a shitty liar, you know that? 1588 01:40:40,067 --> 01:40:41,569 Why didn't you ask me? 1589 01:40:42,036 --> 01:40:45,415 Because God knows everybody else did when the shit hit the fan. 1590 01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:47,519 Why didn't you? 1591 01:40:48,142 --> 01:40:49,712 Ask you what? 1592 01:40:49,977 --> 01:40:53,151 Why didn't you ask me if the documents were real? 1593 01:40:55,249 --> 01:40:57,422 Because I knew I didn't need to. 1594 01:41:00,388 --> 01:41:01,423 Hey. 1595 01:41:01,589 --> 01:41:04,593 When you go back in there, you hold your head up, you understand? 1596 01:41:06,193 --> 01:41:07,866 Yes, Dan. 1597 01:41:08,763 --> 01:41:10,868 Okay. F.E.A. 1598 01:41:14,268 --> 01:41:16,407 F.E.A. 1599 01:41:49,770 --> 01:41:51,613 You're doing great. 1600 01:41:52,473 --> 01:41:54,817 Another half hour, and you're done. 1601 01:41:57,378 --> 01:41:58,584 What does that mean? 1602 01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:06,227 Fuck 'em all. 1603 01:42:11,092 --> 01:42:14,005 Well, I'm glad we have clarification on that. 1604 01:42:14,161 --> 01:42:17,665 - Good. - Well, if there's nothing else... 1605 01:42:17,898 --> 01:42:20,105 Thank you, gentlemen, for the day. 1606 01:42:23,471 --> 01:42:26,941 Aren't you gonna ask me about my politics'? 1607 01:42:28,476 --> 01:42:30,114 Excuse me? 1608 01:42:30,311 --> 01:42:34,589 You asked other people what I believe, so aren't you gonna ask me'? 1609 01:42:35,483 --> 01:42:36,518 What are you doing? 1610 01:42:37,118 --> 01:42:41,828 Well, wouldn't you say most of the people you work with consider you a liberal? 1611 01:42:44,859 --> 01:42:48,671 Do you mean, "Am I now or have I ever been a liberal?" 1612 01:42:59,206 --> 01:43:02,016 it's a legitimate question. 1613 01:43:02,643 --> 01:43:03,644 Is it? 1614 01:43:03,844 --> 01:43:05,289 Well, you brought it up. 1615 01:43:06,313 --> 01:43:09,294 No, you did, when you asked all of my co-workers. 1616 01:43:09,717 --> 01:43:10,821 So I'll tell you. 1617 01:43:11,018 --> 01:43:14,363 I don't believe in labels. I think most people have a mixture of views... 1618 01:43:14,522 --> 01:43:16,297 That's not what we're talking about. 1619 01:43:16,457 --> 01:43:18,494 Then what are you talking about, Larry? 1620 01:43:18,693 --> 01:43:21,833 We are talking about you bringing your politics into your reporting. 1621 01:43:21,996 --> 01:43:24,738 - I did nothing of the kind. - Nothing? Really? 1622 01:43:24,899 --> 01:43:27,743 Is that why when Barnes told you he got Bush into the Guard... 1623 01:43:27,902 --> 01:43:29,643 you believed him without question? 1624 01:43:29,804 --> 01:43:33,342 That when Bill Burkett, an outspoken Bush critic and admitted liar... 1625 01:43:33,574 --> 01:43:37,488 brought you memos, you assumed their authenticity and didn't source them? 1626 01:43:37,678 --> 01:43:41,524 That when not one but two of the four document examiners... 1627 01:43:41,716 --> 01:43:43,662 expressed doubts the memos were real... 1628 01:43:43,818 --> 01:43:45,991 you pushed that aside and rushed this on air? 1629 01:43:46,153 --> 01:43:49,066 Or why you personally contacted the John Kerry campaign... 1630 01:43:49,223 --> 01:43:52,204 on behalf of Bill Burkett, a man who has dedicated himself... 1631 01:43:52,359 --> 01:43:54,361 to smearing the president? 1632 01:43:54,562 --> 01:43:55,870 Tell me, Mary. 1633 01:43:56,030 --> 01:43:59,944 Where exactly does politics not enter into this? 1634 01:44:00,568 --> 01:44:03,344 Or are you just that bad at your job? 1635 01:44:04,171 --> 01:44:06,777 Do you know what it would take to fake these memos? 1636 01:44:06,941 --> 01:44:09,251 .Mary.. No, this is important. 1637 01:44:09,410 --> 01:44:12,948 It would require the forger to have an in-depth knowledge... 1638 01:44:13,114 --> 01:44:17,358 of the 1971 Air Force manual, including rules... 1639 01:44:17,518 --> 01:44:19,964 and regulations and abbreviations. 1640 01:44:20,121 --> 01:44:22,761 He'd have to know Bush's official record front to back... 1641 01:44:22,923 --> 01:44:25,369 to make sure none of the memos conflicted with it. 1642 01:44:25,526 --> 01:44:28,700 He'd have to know all the players in the Texas Air National Guard... 1643 01:44:28,863 --> 01:44:32,401 at the time... Not just their names, but their attitudes, their opinions... 1644 01:44:32,566 --> 01:44:34,603 “including how they related to one another. 1645 01:44:34,769 --> 01:44:37,807 He'd have to know Colonel Killian kept personal memos like this... 1646 01:44:37,972 --> 01:44:39,815 for himself in the first place. 1647 01:44:39,974 --> 01:44:42,614 He'd have to know how Killian felt at the time... 1648 01:44:42,777 --> 01:44:46,953 particularly about his superiors and then First Lieutenant Bush. 1649 01:44:47,114 --> 01:44:50,755 He would have to know or learn all of this... 1650 01:44:50,918 --> 01:44:54,957 in order to fool us as you assume he did. 1651 01:44:55,122 --> 01:44:56,567 Now... 1652 01:44:57,224 --> 01:44:59,670 do you really think that a man... 1653 01:44:59,827 --> 01:45:02,831 who takes this kind of time and precision... 1654 01:45:02,997 --> 01:45:06,342 then goes and types these up on Microsoft Word? 1655 01:45:13,574 --> 01:45:19,149 Our story was about whether Bush fulfilled his service. 1656 01:45:19,313 --> 01:45:22,260 Nobody wants to talk about that. They wanna talk about fonts... 1657 01:45:22,416 --> 01:45:24,418 and forgeries and conspiracy theories. 1658 01:45:24,585 --> 01:45:28,499 Because that's what people do these days if they don'! Like a story. 1659 01:45:28,656 --> 01:45:30,363 They point and scream. 1660 01:45:30,524 --> 01:45:33,130 They question your politics, your objectivity. Hell... 1661 01:45:33,294 --> 01:45:34,534 your basic humanity. 1662 01:45:34,762 --> 01:45:38,335 And they hope to God the truth gets lost in the scrum. 1663 01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:40,273 And when it is finally over... 1664 01:45:40,434 --> 01:45:43,472 and they have kicked and shouted so loud... 1665 01:45:43,637 --> 01:45:46,982 we can't even remember what the point was. 1666 01:45:48,209 --> 01:45:50,780 But you didn't prove it. 1667 01:45:52,847 --> 01:45:57,193 You didn't prove Ben Barnes got the president into the Guard. 1668 01:45:57,484 --> 01:46:00,055 You didn't prove the memos are real. 1669 01:46:00,287 --> 01:46:03,564 The burden of proof is on you. 1670 01:46:03,791 --> 01:46:07,068 By that standard, The Times would never have run the Pentagon Papers. 1671 01:46:07,228 --> 01:46:09,333 The Post wouldn't have listened to Deep Throat... 1672 01:46:09,496 --> 01:46:13,706 - Ben Barnes is hardly Deep Throat. - He's confessed to abusing his power... 1673 01:46:13,868 --> 01:46:16,576 to keep some of the richest, privileged sons of Texas... 1674 01:46:16,737 --> 01:46:19,047 from getting their asses blown off in Vietnam. 1675 01:46:19,206 --> 01:46:20,810 Ms. Mapes. 1676 01:46:21,542 --> 01:46:24,079 Don't you think it's possible, just possible... 1677 01:46:24,812 --> 01:46:26,758 that some of those fine, young... 1678 01:46:26,981 --> 01:46:29,359 privileged men, as you call them... 1679 01:46:29,583 --> 01:46:35,261 got into the National Guard on their own merit? 1680 01:46:45,332 --> 01:46:48,609 No, sir. No, I do not. 1681 01:47:07,922 --> 01:47:09,458 You had to do it, didn't you? 1682 01:47:10,457 --> 01:47:13,734 In the immortal words of Popeye, "I am what I am." 1683 01:47:14,595 --> 01:47:17,906 Well. I would have gone with "To thine own self be true"... 1684 01:47:18,065 --> 01:47:19,942 but Popeye works. 1685 01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:23,309 They'll have their findings in a few weeks. I'll call you when I hear. 1686 01:47:23,470 --> 01:47:26,747 All right. Thanks. 1687 01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:31,451 Hey, Mary. 1688 01:47:33,047 --> 01:47:34,822 I believe you. 1689 01:47:46,894 --> 01:47:51,104 But I think he needs a helmet. Have you got a helmet? 1690 01:47:51,265 --> 01:47:55,771 - Uh... A helmet? - He needs a helmet. 1691 01:47:56,570 --> 01:47:59,278 - Oh, he hasn't got a head. - Dang it. 1692 01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,853 - Can you find a head? - Um... 1693 01:48:03,811 --> 01:48:04,846 No. 1694 01:48:07,081 --> 01:48:11,689 - Unless you want to chop his head... - Chop his head off? Maybe. 1695 01:48:18,592 --> 01:48:20,037 Hello'? 1696 01:48:20,194 --> 01:48:23,664 Mary, the report is out and it's very bad. Uh... 1697 01:48:24,598 --> 01:48:26,544 I'm putting Jonathan Anschultz on the fine. 1698 01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:28,771 - Jonathan, can you hear me? - Yeah. 1699 01:48:29,036 --> 01:48:32,347 Mary, as I said, the report's bad. You're being terminated. 1700 01:48:34,041 --> 01:48:37,784 It's not something I would've chosen to do under the circumstances, but... 1701 01:50:36,296 --> 01:50:37,639 Hippie scum. 1702 01:50:38,599 --> 01:50:40,670 Jarhead fuck. 1703 01:50:44,404 --> 01:50:45,940 If you ever need a reference... 1704 01:50:46,273 --> 01:50:47,616 What, you can... 1705 01:50:47,774 --> 01:50:50,414 tell them how we destroyed modern journalism together? 1706 01:50:57,751 --> 01:50:59,697 I'll see you around. 1707 01:51:04,491 --> 01:51:06,994 We've shared a lot in the 24 years... 1708 01:51:07,161 --> 01:51:09,664 , we've been meeting here each evening. 1709 01:51:10,197 --> 01:51:15,306 And before I say good night, this night, I need to say thank you. 1710 01:51:15,702 --> 01:51:19,673 Thank you to the thousands of wonderful professionals at CBS News... 1711 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,615 past and present... 1712 01:51:21,808 --> 01:51:25,346 with whom it's been my honor to work over these years. 1713 01:51:26,647 --> 01:51:29,628 And a deeply felt thanks to all of you... 1714 01:51:29,783 --> 01:51:33,526 who have let us into your homes night after night. 1715 01:51:33,787 --> 01:51:38,497 It has been a privilege, and one never taken lightly. 1716 01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:44,700 To a nation still nursing a broken heart for what happened here in 2001... 1717 01:51:44,865 --> 01:51:47,641 and especially those who found themselves closest... 1718 01:51:47,801 --> 01:51:49,803 "in the events of September the 11th." 1719 01:51:51,138 --> 01:51:56,053 To our soldiers, our sailors, our airmen and Marines in dangerous places. 1720 01:51:56,877 --> 01:52:00,017 And to those who have endured the tsunami. 1721 01:52:00,180 --> 01:52:03,024 And to all who have suffered natural disasters... 1722 01:52:03,183 --> 01:52:06,187 and who must find the will to rebuild. 1723 01:52:06,653 --> 01:52:11,033 To the oppressed and to those whose let it is to struggle... 1724 01:52:11,191 --> 01:52:14,934 in financial hardship or in failing health. 1725 01:52:16,363 --> 01:52:17,899 To my fellow journalists... 1726 01:52:18,332 --> 01:52:22,781 in places where reporting the truth means risking all. 1727 01:52:23,403 --> 01:52:26,282 And to each of you... 1728 01:52:27,241 --> 01:52:28,743 courage. 1729 01:52:29,943 --> 01:52:33,390 For the CBS Evening News, Dan Rather reporting. 1730 01:52:34,881 --> 01:52:36,451 Good night. 1731 01:54:14,047 --> 01:54:16,823 - My God. Heh. - Heh. 1732 01:54:19,286 --> 01:54:21,163 You wanna go for a walk? 1733 01:54:21,321 --> 01:54:22,823 Yeah. 1734 01:54:22,847 --> 01:54:38,847 Hope it helped -> bozxphd 145570

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