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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:10,634 Hi, this is Chris Carter, the writer and director of this episode - Triangle. 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,911 This was an overly ambitious episode actually, 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,275 and one that took a tremendous amount of extra planning 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,478 and extra care and extra work for everyone involved. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:32,398 It was filmed in long takes, oners, 6 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:37,349 that were put together artfully and made to look like real time. 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,197 So what you're seeing is actually edited film 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:51,198 that pretends to be in one continuous, long take through each act. 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,039 You can see where some of the edits are if you pay very careful attention, 10 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,594 but our attempt was to disguise them. 11 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,798 We begin here in the Sargasso Sea with the wreckage of a ship. 12 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,553 This was actually filmed in a tank. 13 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,428 And here's Agent Mulder lying face first in the water. 14 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:15,390 This was filmed in a tank that was used on the movie Titanic, 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,233 among other movies. 16 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,198 We're actually in the middle of a sort of desert here 17 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,158 but you wouldn't know that, 18 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,511 because we never actually rise... 19 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,558 the camera never rises above the water level. 20 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,192 This is stock footage of a stormy, stormy ocean 21 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,398 with Mulder - David Duchovny - being pulled out of the sea. 22 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,116 We're actually filming right off the edge of the Queen Mary here. 23 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,833 Just to give a little background, when I told the actors what we were doing, 24 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,435 they were game and they wanted to do it, 25 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,432 but they knew they'd have to learn their lines very well 26 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,274 because they'd be doing long takes as you see in this first take. 27 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,397 This is all continuous action. There is an edit in here. 28 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,792 But Mulder is hauled aboard the Queen Anne, which is the Queen Mary. 29 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,439 He is being brutalised by the British sailors who have found him in the sea 30 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,189 who believe he's a German spy, calling him Jerry. 31 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,996 There's an edit in this little area here 32 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,356 to get Mulder upright to answer the questions. 33 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,592 Now he's going to be hauled roughly 34 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,435 into the interior of the ship where, once again, we cut. 35 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,753 But this is all long, long single takes that took a lot of rehearsal 36 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,113 and, ultimately, a lot of very careful camerawork and focus pulling. 37 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:28,232 Dave LiJckenbach really was, for me, a kind of codirector on this whole episode. 38 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,592 He, as the Steadicam operator, 39 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,549 had the job of keeping the action framed in an interesting way. 40 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,349 As you're coming in this hallway, there was an edit in the darkness. 41 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,273 Another edit there on the swing pan. 42 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,113 Mulder brought into the hallway 43 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:59,276 and taken to Captain Yip Harburg's room, the British captain. 44 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,039 Some of these actors were British, and some were affecting British accents. 45 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:14,116 I think the lead actor here, Trevor, is actually Australian. 46 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:26,470 Madison Mason, who plays Yip Harburg, is an American affecting an English accent. 47 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,597 This was a really difficult scene for Bill Roe. 48 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,468 This one in particular, because we're 360° around the room, 49 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,076 and he's got to light it, and light it interestingly. 50 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,518 He lit it and then I questioned his lighting. 51 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,879 I thought it was too flat and I thought it wasn't what I was looking for. 52 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,599 He tore the lighting out and we started again. 53 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,514 It was very nervous-making because this was our first scene of the day 54 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,038 and I think it took us until about lunchtime to actually get a shot off, 55 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,078 That's very nervous-making in episodic television, 56 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,596 because you've really gotta be putting film in the camera 57 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,879 and getting prints if you want to get your work done. 58 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:20,588 So this was all a very anxiety-producing situation. 59 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,148 David Duchovny was spot-on. 60 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,472 He had his dialogue down perfectly and had to do this scene... 61 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,677 I think we ended up shooting this scene a half-dozen times 62 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,069 before we got it exactly right. 63 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,516 The camera needs to be a character here, looking back and forth, 64 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,628 anticipating the dialogue, pushing in, keeping the framing interesting. 65 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,316 There's a little cheap joke here about the White House. 66 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,669 This was during the Clinton scandal, the Monica Lewinsky scandal. 67 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,116 It's a cheap joke that probably doesn't work now. 68 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,793 David is left alone in the room 69 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,633 and all of a sudden... 70 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,632 He's confused about the time or the others are confused 71 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,350 because they're in the Devil's Triangle. 72 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,795 Suddenly he hears a message over the radio, 73 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:49,554 which is Neville Chamberlain declaring war against Germany. 74 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:58,952 ln hearing this, he realises that it's not that he has come onto the ship in 1998, 75 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,434 but that he has come onto the ship in 1939. 76 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,319 There's a whip pan here when Mulder hears something at the door 77 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:22,114 and all of a sudden, for the first time, we see that the characters... 78 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,399 There's a nice light change there too, which was very difficult to do. 79 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,835 This is continuous action. 80 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,153 We're going to see that people in The X-Files are actually showing up now 81 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,630 as characters, Nazi characters, 82 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:47,512 very similar to the characters that they play, in terms of their villainy, in the series. 83 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:52,833 This is a very edgy shot here. 84 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,990 Very, very dark. 85 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,234 Done with a double, actually. 86 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:06,158 Both Mulder and Spender here are doubled for this fight sequence. 87 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,758 Through some tricky camerawork here, in silhouette. 88 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:21,750 There's a cut right there. I have Mulder finding that indeed it's Jeffrey Spender 89 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,910 dressed as a Nazi. 90 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,396 I got a chance to use some of my favourite '40s music here too, or '30s and '40s music, 91 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,679 to transition scenes and it was kind of a thrill. 92 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,469 This was actually one of the less effective shots I did. 93 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:48,636 I had to sort of span time here a little bit, so it's a little bit of a pan across nothing, 94 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,077 while I get Mulder dressed or re-dressed 95 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,439 and bring in the Nazis coming down the corridors. 96 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,636 Beautifully lit and shot corridors. 97 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,599 Mulder enters in his Nazi uniform now, in disguise. 98 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,471 Corey Kaplan did such an amazing job - our production designer - on this episode. 99 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:19,599 She was able to take what was already there, which was quite beautiful, 100 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:27,189 and authenticate it, make it look as if it were a completely period ship. 101 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:33,435 It was not quite. There were some things, additions - lights, carpeting and so forth - 102 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:41,473 that actually made it look less like an actual period ship. 103 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:49,149 There are little visual references to The Wizard of 02 throughout, 104 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,916 including that billboard you saw, the poster board you saw behind Mulder. 105 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,596 Here he ducks in to the ballroom 106 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:02,309 as the Nazis... just eluding the Nazis who run past. 107 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:14,471 The camera as a character, Dave LiJckenbach pushing in through the curtains, a cut, 108 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,069 and we're in the ballroom. Still as if it's continuous time. 109 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,029 This was a very expensive scene, because there's so many extras. 110 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,159 Lighting took so much time, and costumes... 111 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:37,079 There are dancers here, but I had actually only about eight real expert dancers. 112 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,872 Everybody else had to be taught how to dance in the sort of period style. 113 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,592 Mulder sees this singer on stage and recognises her, as we'll recognise her later. 114 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:53,956 Oh, now who does he bump into? He bumps into Scully. 115 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,433 Now Mulder, dressed in a Nazi uniform, 116 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:05,950 running into the Scully lookalike who's never seen him before in her life. 117 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,516 This was very fun to shoot. 118 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,469 You can imagine, after five years of shooting Mulder and Scully as Mulder and Scully, 119 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:20,829 the chance to make them somebody else and to use that conceit 120 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,514 was a lot of fun, I think, for everybody. 121 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:32,269 The man who we will come later to realise is Thor's Hammer, 122 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:38,390 the scientist who knows about building an atomic weapon, 123 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,358 we'll see him later on in the X-Files office. 124 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,072 Mulder is once again challenged... 125 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,948 David is challenged physically here, in these scenes, 126 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,112 roughhoused, handled roughly. 127 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:05,912 Taken outside... above decks and hauled through the rain. 128 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,753 The cameraman actually got up onto... 129 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,310 I had him rise up onto a platform here, 130 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,996 so we got a nice high angle that we wouldn't have achieved othenNise. 131 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:24,191 So every time we see this angle change, you'll see that there's another cut. 132 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,795 It requires some piece of machinery, piece of expertise, 133 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,599 that's all done in continuous action. 134 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,514 We hired some actual German actors for the Nazi roles, 135 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,433 so that their voices sounded authentic. 136 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,190 They spoke in that thick German accent. 137 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,159 We are actually in the wheelhouse of the Queen Mary right here 138 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,394 and the water pouring off the sides is ourwater. 139 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,268 We've created it with giant sprinkler systems. 140 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,718 What you're looking at, really, is take two of a very complicated sequence. 141 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,676 and the camera had to work just so. 142 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,550 I would have probably done this a few more times to get itjust the way I wanted it. 143 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,953 l have to say it turned out amazingly well, in spite of the fact I only got to do it twice, 144 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,717 because the wheelhouse started to leak with all the water we were pumping down on it. 145 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,954 The folks at the Queen Mary actually forced us to shut down. 146 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,751 So this was a stroke ofjust tremendous luck that we got what we got here. 147 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,791 You'll see in a moment the appearance of another X—Files... 148 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,668 Here's the Cigarette-Smoking Man, Bill Davis, 149 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,914 as the head Nazi here, 150 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:16,751 and the appearance of another man who we last expect to see in Nazi dress, 151 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,870 that being AD Skinner, who I thought was somewhat less recognisable with his hat on. 152 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,954 But we loved the gla... We gave him the little sort of Colonel Klink glasses. 153 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,073 This brings us to the end of an act. 154 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,958 Moving the episode now into the FBI. 155 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,270 For a lot of people this is their favourite act. 156 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,599 I think it moves really well. 157 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,236 There's the man Scully was dancing with, working at the FBI, 158 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,232 so everyone plays a dual role, or most everyone. 159 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:11,589 I think that the way the action moved here is... It worked. 160 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:18,353 The concept actually of keeping this moving as one continuous take worked, 161 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,877 and it worked because the Lone Gunmen knew their lines. 162 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,873 They'd spent the night before having a few beers and going over their lines, 163 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,758 so they were word-perfect. 164 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,877 Along with Scully, who had to move the action, 165 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,396 notjust by knowing her lines, but she actually marches... 166 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:44,237 She does a lot of very physical marching in and out of offices here 167 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:51,192 and has to maintain a tone and keep her energy up through each piece of the film, 168 00:15:52,400 --> 00:16:00,796 which all has to match, tonally, in an ever-rising and escalating sense of urgency. 169 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,440 Mulder and Scully are actually out of the X-Files during the larger story arc here, 170 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,469 so this is Scully's office for now, which is why we're not in the X-Files office. 171 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:31,636 The X-Files office is being manned by Agent Spender, who's Mulder's half-brother, 172 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,117 and a villain. 173 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,119 You've already seen him dressed in a Nazi uniform. 174 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,752 This is Arlene Pileggi, Mitch Pileggi's wife, playing Skinner's secretary. 175 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:51,119 Scully going to get help from Skinner, who we'vejust seen in Nazi dress, 176 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,714 who offers her no help at all. 177 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,548 Similarly as he's done, he seems like a villain here, 178 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,953 as he appeared to us on the ship with Mulder when we saw him at the end of the last act. 179 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,552 As we'll come to see, he is... 180 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,589 Well, he seems like he is an obstacle here. He will end up becoming an ally. 181 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,668 Janet Reno on the wall. 182 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,631 Dates the picture. She's no longer in herjob. 183 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,632 l have saved at home these notes. 184 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,314 Just kind of funny little memorabilia. 185 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:16,231 You'll see that Gillian writes a note in Spender's office - the X-Files office - later on. 186 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,834 I don't know why, ljust... 187 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:26,076 She had to write it on camera, so when we wrapped the scene I took the note 188 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,995 and I've kept it as one of my little pieces of the show. 189 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,549 That was a tricky camera move there. 190 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:41,112 The cameraman needed to get out of the office behind Gillian and get in front of her, 191 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,716 so we needed to create some obstacles which we made human obstacles. 192 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,110 Now, these elevator scenes are very tricky, 193 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,352 because the cameraman has to get inside with Scully, in the elevator, 194 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,193 so he's gotta squeeze in, keeping his framing. 195 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,710 The focus puller here... 196 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,870 He is... If the... 197 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:09,511 This is a trick. There was a out there and I chose to have Scully step on the woman's toe 198 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,277 to hide the fact that she is now completely separated from that last scene that she did. 199 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:20,559 So, being in the elevator and getting out of it were shot as two different scenes. 200 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,717 The focus puller has a really difficultjob here, 201 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,951 because each time the camera moves in and out 202 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:37,194 and the subject matter changes its focus plane, 203 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,756 the focus puller has to be exact. 204 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,594 If he's not, we get out-of-focus shots and we can't use those. 205 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,672 So not only do the actors and the cameraman have to be great 206 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,878 but the focus puller here has to be perfect, 207 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,470 and he was an incredible amount of the time. 208 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,349 Scully can get help from no one. 209 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,310 She sees that now she has even betrayed Mulder's whereabouts 210 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,715 and his plan, or what he has done, 211 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,349 to her superior and her arch nemesis, the Cigarette-Smoking Man, 212 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,549 who we've already seen as the evillest of the Nazis on board the Queen Anne... 213 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,034 in World War II. 214 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,154 Scully going to the cellphone. 215 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,308 Running for the elevator and... 216 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:57,158 For the first time in a long time, (chuckles) 217 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,550 she can't get out on her cellphone. 218 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,553 Seems like that cellphone works everywhere but in the FBI elevator of all places. 219 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,474 There's a out here. 220 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,075 Every time Scully gets in and out of the elevator we have to cut, 221 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,958 because we've gotta be in a new place. 222 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,512 We're in the X-Files basement here, the X-Files office, 223 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,674 with Spender, who's proven himself to be a weasel, as Scully says. 224 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,154 He's no help at all but she browbeats him. 225 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,752 This is a nice moment that Chris Owens created, looking off, creating a moment, 226 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:46,188 so he's notjust watching Scully's action but he's thinking. 227 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,713 It was nice to be able to come off Scully to Chris Owens. 228 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,032 He makes a moment of something that was really not a moment at all, 229 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,032 which was important when the camera is always watching. 230 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:01,237 There's no editorial, no chance to cut around anything. 231 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:07,316 There's only what the camera sees in linear time. 232 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,758 In the elevator scenes coming up, Scully moving in and out... 233 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,868 Here will be another out As the camera focuses on the doors, we hold on the split 234 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,679 and there... you can see a slight move there if you notice it, 235 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,718 a slight camera adjustment which is another cut. 236 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,314 We're in another scene. 237 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,630 The elevator's actually stationary. It does not move, although it appears to move. 238 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,110 So while Scully's inside, often when the doors are opening, 239 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,513 or at least twice while the doors are opening, Scully comes out, pops back in. 240 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,116 Then when the doors close, we're still in real time. 241 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,589 Now the crew is out, scrambling like crazy. 242 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,708 Set Dec is out re-dressing the same hallway as another hallway 243 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,679 and this, actually, was really funny. 244 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,870 We're in the same hallway now. 245 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,511 Different extras, different furniture, different everything. 246 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,673 Often we went too fast and we caught the crew with pictures in their hand, 247 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,228 moving furniture. 248 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,914 It was like a farce. 249 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:14,119 That hallway changed three times during the course of that scene, 250 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,832 all running in continuous time. 251 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:27,918 This was, coming up, one of the most difficult scenes for the cameraman, 252 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,993 when we jump out into the FBI parking garage 253 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,719 and the Lone Gunmen pull up in their van. 254 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,636 The cameraman actually has to get in the van with them, 255 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,950 sit down, 256 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,750 and we see Agent Spender running behind. 257 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,838 The choreography of this, the timing, 258 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,832 and the camera difficulty are... 259 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,755 ltjust was a superior effort by everyone to actually make this work in the time we had. 260 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,756 You're now in the bowels of the Queen Maiy, 261 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,558 being led along, Mulder being pushed along with the British soldiers, 262 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,270 being led by the Nazi soldiers into the engine room. 263 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,148 This was really a tight squeeze for Dave LuCkenbach. 264 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,791 It was one of the first scenes that we shot, maybe actually the first scene, 265 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,316 and the difficulty scared us all. 266 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,030 Getting this scene, making sure the camera functioned as a character here, 267 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:49,240 pushed into the action, made it feel alive and interesting throughout, 268 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,920 in such close quarters, was daunting. 269 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,118 And when we didn't get a shot off until lunch... 270 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,949 Everyone having to get their lines right, the camerawork being right, 271 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,319 the lighting being right, the introduction of new characters into the scene, 272 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,311 the timing of that, 273 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,633 it all was, for television, bucking the odds 274 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,191 that we could actually do what we wanted to do in the time that we had to do it. 275 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,794 We couldn't fail. We couldn't make... 276 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,079 We could make mistakes, but only very few, because we needed to get the work done. 277 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,833 Now the plot thickens 278 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,388 as the traitor is revealed. 279 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:13,236 Mulder has now given the Nazis the information they need. 280 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,719 Mulder has a trick up his sleeve, he believes, 281 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,315 knowing where they are, in the Devil's Triangle. 282 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,595 He was going to try to speak... 283 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,753 You'll see another out there, through the steam. 284 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,230 He's going to try to speak, or talk sense to, the man at the wheel, 285 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,630 who we'll recognise as AD Kersh, James Pickens, 286 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,752 giving me his best Rastafarian accent. 287 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,193 This was a really fun scene to shoot - 288 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,990 these angry mob crowd scenes - 289 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,154 because it always felt like it filled the frame and it kept everything intense, 290 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,592 but it also felt at the same time, when you got into these tight corners, 291 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,434 like you couldn't move the camera as much as you wanted to. 292 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,273 Mulder here, trying to intervene. 293 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,638 The Queen Mary was this incredible resource. 294 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,076 We had moved from Vancouver where we had been for five years. 295 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,436 We were all very nervous about the look of the show, 296 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,795 and if it could still be scary enough, 297 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,759 if we'd have enough atmosphere, which Vancouver had so much of. 298 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,638 What we found and what we learned real quickly 299 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,636 was that there were so many resources available that we didn't have in Vancouver, 300 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,508 in terms of location and things like the Queen Mary. 301 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:07,039 So this was one of the first episodes we did coming back from Vancouver to Los Angeles. 302 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,272 It was just a treat to be able to get all this production value. 303 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,071 Something we couldn't have gotten in Vancouver. 304 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,149 See those whip pans and the cuts that are hidden there. 305 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,669 Tight corners again for the cameraman, 306 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,949 having to scoot down very, very narrow passageways. 307 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,430 Using the darkness here as places to cut. 308 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,432 Through the first three acts there were 17 edits. 309 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,514 So there were only really 17 shots through the first three-quarters of the picture, 310 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,878 and then there were more in the last act, 311 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,951 because there are some camera tricks and things that required extra cuts. 312 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,918 But I think there were a total of... 313 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,994 There may have been... It's either 34 cuts in the whole picture, or 17 plus 34. 314 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,630 Back in the ballroom here, 315 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,511 with Agent Spender, or his Nazi counterpart. 316 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,991 And the Cigarette-Smoking Man speaking his best German, 317 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,275 which he practised very hard for me. 318 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,874 Holding his cigarette... 319 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,472 as he always does. Smoking a cigarette. 320 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,471 These scenes are shot with very wide-angle lenses. 321 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,872 The camera is actually very, very close to the actors' faces, 322 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:17,036 because you wanna encompass in these shots as much of this ballroom as possible, 323 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,078 which had been dressed so beautifully. 324 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,993 This man who is shot here, a stuntman, 325 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,950 was the boyfriend of one of the assistant editors on the show, 326 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,629 who just happened to fit the bill for a white-haired gent, 327 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,998 who is the first passenger to be killed by the merciless Nazis. 328 00:31:52,840 --> 00:32:01,714 This is just... The amazing effort and attention to detail 329 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,273 that the production folks, the art people on the show - 330 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,318 Sandy Getzler, in this case, the art director - 331 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,713 were able to accomplish on a limited budget with limited time. 332 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,113 This ballroom will actually change over and become a decrepit version of itself 333 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,668 in a later scene. 334 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,556 Spender and Scully in a sort of allusion 335 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,355 to the earlier scene where Scully had told Spender what to do. 336 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,471 Now Spender, as the Nazi, not bending to Scully's browbeating. 337 00:32:53,080 --> 00:33:01,510 Mulder, here, in a little lift from one of my favourite movies, Schindler's List, 338 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,355 points to the dead man as the person the Nazis were looking for, 339 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,510 but it doesn't work. 340 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,114 Nice try. 341 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,792 This was an evening shot of the Queen Mary 342 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,950 which turned out so beautiful. 343 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,919 We just lucked out with the clouds and the sky. 344 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,073 We're on a boat running beside... 345 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,871 actually running beside the Queen Mary and having it all lit up, as you see. 346 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,030 We weren't able to empty the Queen Mary, 347 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,349 so if you look carefully you can see that there are tourists or diners on board, 348 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,034 eating in the restaurants there. 349 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,868 Now the use of split screen, which actually are cuts in themselves, 350 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,239 but they make the action appear continuous with the sliding wipes. 351 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,519 It's a very effective use of an optical to continue the sense of real time. 352 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,474 All the extras here are in period costume. 353 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,279 Period jewellery, if possible. 354 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,673 The makeup and wardrobe and hair departments all worked overtime 355 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,039 and had extra staff, extra personnel in to make sure everyone looked authentic. 356 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,033 These are actually some of the most beautiful scenes in the picture, 357 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,511 as you get a chance to see not just the environment, 358 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,434 but the extras so clearly. 359 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,037 There was a out there, one of the more clunky cuts in the picture, with the Nazis crossing. 360 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,990 There were framing problems. It was one of the too-obvious tricks, for me. 361 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,275 They actually had a spotlight in the ballroom which came in handy for this scene. 362 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,716 It actually gave it an atmosphere that I had not imagined, 363 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,109 so we lucked into that. 364 00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:01,477 It was a great thrill to stage these fight scenes, to figure how to put the cuts in them, 365 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,475 and get the woman hitting the man over the head with the bottle. 366 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,151 To keep the fighting interesting it had to look realistic, 367 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:16,155 and yet it was all staged fighting which sometimes doesn't look realistic. 368 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,195 Once again, the use of the wipe here - the optical wipe across - 369 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,034 to get us back to Scully and the Lone Gunmen 370 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,469 who have now boarded the Queen Anne. 371 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,198 We are imagining this is in... that they have boarded the same ship as Mulder. 372 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,355 It looks in every way like the same ship as the one Mulder has boarded. 373 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,474 But we'll see that they've actually boarded a ghost ship. 374 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,028 Mulder's nowhere to be found. 375 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,915 l'd imagined Mulder and Scully crawling on the floor with a lot more action around them. 376 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,597 | just couldn't figure out how to stage it because I didn't have the extras or scope. 377 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,638 So it actually turned out a little bit briefer 378 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,315 and not quite as effective as I had imagined it. 379 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,039 Now the tricks will start. 380 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,109 Mulder and Scully are here in '39 trying to elude the Nazis 381 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,112 and it looks like they are dead meat here. 382 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,394 Until a shot is fired, but no one's been hit but the Nazi. 383 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,359 And now Skinner, who's helped Scully in the FBI, 384 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:05,232 has revealed himself as a traitor to the Nazis, helping Mulder and Scully get away. 385 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,713 Gillian's dress was specially designed, actually, 386 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,397 an original design by Christine Peters, who was the wardrobe designer on the episode. 387 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:28,313 I'd seen an MTV video by the band Semisonic. 388 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,952 It was a clever use of split screen with people moving through the split screens. 389 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:41,191 So that was, for me, an inspiration for this scene 390 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:49,870 where both Scullys pass by one another and have a sense of one another, 391 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,795 but how could they when they seem to be in two different time periods? 392 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:09,475 All the staging and the switching here from period to period 393 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,348 is done by stopping the camera, starting the camera, 394 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,876 holding, freezing the frame. Optical tricks. 395 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,915 Scully and the Lone Gunmen go to the ballroom 396 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,549 which we recognise from the hallway, hopefully... 397 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,473 Thinking we're going to walk into the ongoing fight. 398 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,110 But slowly revealing... 399 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:48,389 that... it is 1998 and this is indeed a ghost ship. 400 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,270 The changeover from the ballroom you've just seen, with the fight going on - 401 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,158 a beautifully-appointed ballroom to this - 402 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,678 that had to take place in the course of hours while we did other work that night. 403 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:09,108 That was the art department's hardest challenge on the show... doing things... 404 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,957 It's almost like we were producing a play and needed to move the scenery around 405 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,554 while the actors were on stage. 406 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,033 This was a really fun scene to shoot. 407 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,558 Both David and Gillian were excellent in it, and Gillian has to... 408 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,599 Not only do they kiss, which Mulder and Scully have never done to this point, 409 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,797 but Scully's got to land a punch on Mulder. 410 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,634 When she threw that punch, I actually thought she had hit him. 411 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,234 It seemed so effective. 412 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,555 And it looks very effective here, on film. 413 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,710 Whoa. 414 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,071 What a lot of people have been waiting for here. 415 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,990 Camera swings over and finds the stuntman. 416 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:23,036 We've switched out Mulder to the stuntman, jumping 70-odd feet 417 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,157 into the water beside the Queen Mary. 418 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:30,358 The split screen now - we are in the tank where we began the picture. 419 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,749 That same tank. 420 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,916 With a camera now, slowly, with bubbles that we've added into the tank, 421 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,434 slowly rising to the surface 422 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,599 to find the same floating body that we saw in the beginning. 423 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,319 And the boat that we've added to the tank and the crew aboard that boat - 424 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,757 that we are on... actually in the tank or afloat on the tank - 425 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,354 pulling Mulder out of the water. 426 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,198 This is the only time cut in the picture... 427 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,468 where we cut from one time to another. 428 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:33,877 This leads us to a long oner. 429 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,551 A single take in Mulder's hospital room 430 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,553 where there's a few more allusions to The Wizard of Oz. 431 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:52,709 And the reintroduction of the players. 432 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,594 This is one of the few shots that was not operated by Dave LuCkenbach. 433 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,353 This was actually done off a crane. 434 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:05,359 Mulder and Scully have not the most tender exchange, but sweet. 435 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,548 As we come around to Mulder... 436 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,552 he delivers his line 437 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,829 that we may have always imagined he'd speak one day, but he has never spoken. 438 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,992 lt's met with rolling eyes. 439 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,675 As we come around, though, 440 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:38,632 we see that he's got the black eye to prove it was all true. 441 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,828 The episode was nominated for several awards. 442 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,679 It won an Emmy for sound editing. 443 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,878 It was nominated for a writing Emmy and for a directing Emmy. 39631

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