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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:11,119 A fatal fall into a stream 2 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:14,039 in a remote British countryside. 3 00:00:14,199 --> 00:00:15,679 The police said 4 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:19,239 there had been some sort of an accident involving Natalie. 5 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:22,160 A young woman's life cut short in an instant. 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,439 Was it just a tragic accident? 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,280 Andrew Pearson gave an account, 8 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:37,799 he'd gone for a walk with Natalie, 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,799 and she'd fallen and slipped into a stream. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,399 Or murder? 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:43,719 All the police have at this point 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,759 is suspicions. 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,280 They've got questions. 14 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:50,359 But that is not enough to provide evidence of guilt. 15 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:15,560 Natalie Harker was born in North Yorkshire. 16 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:18,519 She lived with her mom and dad, John and Deborah, 17 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,640 and her brother Alistair. 18 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,079 Natalie was a loving, caring sister. 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,959 When we were younger we were inseparable. 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,120 My uncle used to call us the "gruesome twosome." 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,599 One day, me and Natalie were out playing in the fields 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,680 and the farm that we lived on. 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,359 And my sister dared me to sit on an ant hive. 24 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:39,480 So I did. 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,680 And then evidently got my ass bit. 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,680 This was typical of what me and Natalie would get up to. 27 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,200 We were like cats and dogs. 28 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:49,799 We were always scrapping, but we were always close. 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,319 A loving brother and sister. 30 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,560 Natalie was described as kind, hardworking, 31 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:58,959 loved by all of her friends and the community 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,040 that she lived in. 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,359 She was really popular. 34 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:04,599 She could talk to anyone about anything. 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,280 Everybody described her as a bright, happy, bubbly character 36 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:09,800 who would help anybody out. 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,599 In early 2018, Natalie 38 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,919 was living at home with her mom and dad 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,319 when she began dating an older man named 40 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:21,360 Andrew Pearson, who she'd met when they both worked 41 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,800 at a local supermarket. 42 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:27,120 And a few months after Andrew had quit his job, 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,520 he came back in the store and asked her to be his girlfriend, 44 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,840 and Natalie said yes. 45 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,840 Despite the 15 year age gap, it was 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,080 what would seem like a fairy tale relationship. 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,599 Natalie would talk in length about Andrew, that he was so 48 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,039 kind and how amazing he was. 49 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,680 By October 2019, 30-year-old Natalie 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,840 had left her job at the supermarket 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,599 and was working as a cleaner. 52 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:58,520 Natalie was a really hard-working person. 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,599 She worked two separate cleaning 54 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:03,240 jobs, one in the morning and one in the afternoon. 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,759 Natalie often worked on sociable hours, 56 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,800 but she always was really reliable 57 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,599 and would turn up on time every day for her shift. 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,759 On October 9, 2019, Natalie left her 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,120 parents' house at 4:30 AM to cycle to her 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,120 first cleaning job of the day. 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Natalie told her parents that she had a medical appointment 62 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:34,080 at 10:00 AM after she finished work, and she said that 63 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,800 she would be home after that. 64 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:40,960 But by 1:00 PM, there was no sign of Natalie. 65 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:44,800 Natalie's parents were becoming increasingly 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,080 concerned at this point. 67 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,520 They went out into the back garden, 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,159 they could see that her bicycle wasn't there 69 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:51,759 and they called her mobile phone, 70 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:53,479 it went straight to voicemail. 71 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,319 John and Deborah were worried that maybe Natalie 72 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:00,280 had got into some kind of accident, 73 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:01,680 and they went to where she was meant 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,599 to have had her appointment that day, 75 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:05,479 but Natalie had never shown. 76 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:09,840 At about 2:30 that day, I got a phone call from my dad 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,439 saying Natalie had gone missing, 78 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:12,719 didn't know where she'd gone. 79 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:15,120 And said, "you need to come home." 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,920 By this point, they thought something was seriously wrong. 81 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,319 They called 999 and within 10 minutes, 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,319 officers were at the house. 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,800 Detective Inspector Steve Menzies 84 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,680 of North Yorkshire Police was on duty that day. 85 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,959 So the first responders 86 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,399 arrived at Natalie's home. 87 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,639 Those officers did a risk assessment 88 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,040 to find out what Natalie's routines were, 89 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:40,800 who were her friends and family were, 90 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:43,920 and to find out whether she was suffering any issues. 91 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:46,600 Natalie would normally finish her work about o'clock AM 92 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:47,720 in the morning. 93 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:49,680 She would then cycle back home and 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,959 rest before her second shift. 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,399 It was established that Natalie hadn't arrived at work 96 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,240 and she certainly hadn't arrived home. 97 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:00,279 The police launched 98 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:02,519 an urgent missing persons inquiry, 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,879 and they asked the family to share 100 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,160 some recent pictures of Natalie, which they 101 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:07,800 then shared on social media. 102 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,160 To help with their search, the police 103 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:13,480 really needed to piece together what Natalie 104 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:16,560 had done in the hours before her disappearance, 105 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,720 particularly the route that she had taken to work. 106 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:22,480 Natalie would normally use the main road. 107 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,399 However, a few months before, she'd fallen off her bike 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,920 and injured her ankle and she was really scared 109 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:29,160 that she might fall into the road 110 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:30,879 where there might be passing traffic. 111 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,560 So she chose to use a cycle route close by, which 112 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,160 bypassed much of the road. 113 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,199 The cycle path is quite narrow, and on an October morning 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,800 it was really, really dark. 115 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:43,920 It was unlit, it was cold. 116 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:47,639 It was wet and it was shrouded by trees and bushes. 117 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,160 As detectives began to build a picture 118 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:56,079 of Natalie's movements earlier that morning, at 4:43 PM, 119 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,360 over 3 hours since Natalie's parents had reported her 120 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:03,040 missing, North Yorkshire Police received a distressing 121 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,720 999 call from Andrew Pearson. 122 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:52,240 Following Andrew's 999 call to report 123 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:55,639 that Natalie had died after falling into a stream, 124 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,519 officers arrived at the scene. 125 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,160 They found Andrew Pearson. 126 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,120 He then directed them down the cycle path to a gate, 127 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:04,920 where he pointed across the field 128 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:06,639 and said that Natalie's body was in a tent 129 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,399 within the wooded area. 130 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,399 Meanwhile, Natalie's family 131 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,160 were still frantically searching 132 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,319 for their missing loved one. 133 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,879 I said to my mom and my dad, "I want to go out 134 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,120 and see if I can find her." 135 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:20,519 Mom came with me. 136 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,879 We drove around for about 10, 15 137 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,399 minutes, looking in all the places 138 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,199 we thought she maybe was. 139 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,560 And I said to mom we'll go and see 140 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,600 if she's fallen off the bike. 141 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:32,480 So we went down to the lane where 142 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:34,639 Natalie would sometimes go. 143 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,720 On the way back from work, then walked down the lane, 144 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:39,120 heard a load of sirens. 145 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:40,639 Thought the police are coming. 146 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:44,879 So we ran out to be greeted by Andrew Pearson and 147 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:46,000 two police officers. 148 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:51,840 The police said that Andrew had called 149 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,519 and said that there had been some sort of an accident 150 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,919 involving Natalie. 151 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,799 Andrew was jumping around hysterically saying, 152 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,120 "this is the family, this is the family." 153 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:04,679 The police said, "stand over there, please. 154 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Andrew's found Natalie." 155 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,120 In that moment, we had no idea what was going on. 156 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:13,159 Both me and mom heard the air ambulance coming over 157 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,759 and thought she was being saved. 158 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,759 While Alistair and his mom Deborah 159 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:20,440 awaited news on Natalie, officers 160 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,039 followed Andrew's directions into the woodland 161 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,799 where he claimed he had been camping. 162 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,039 Officers came across a thicket 163 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,879 of wooded area, brambles, bushes, overhanging trees 164 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,720 and they scrambled down that towards a stream. 165 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,000 Officers managed to get across the stream but the other side, 166 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:41,559 and they came across Andrew Pearson's tent, which 167 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,320 was a highly camouflaged tent, which was underneath a tree 168 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,320 canopy, which made it really difficult to be 169 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,720 found in the first instance. 170 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,759 Inside the tent, Natalie's naked body was found 171 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:54,240 underneath the sleeping bag. 172 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:58,279 Officers could see straight away that she 173 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,480 had some severe bruising towards her upper torso and 174 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:02,799 her neck area. 175 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,080 When the police came back 176 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,679 from hunting around for Natalie, 177 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,080 they told us to sit in the back of a police car 178 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,279 and wait for my father to come down. 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,519 In that moment, we didn't know what was going on. 180 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,360 The police said nothing to us. 181 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:17,600 When my father arrived, a police person 182 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:19,679 came up and said, "we found a body 183 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,559 and we believe it's Natalie." 184 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,960 After North Yorkshire Police discovered the body 185 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,159 of 30-year-old Natalie Harker inside a tent on October 9, 186 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,399 2019, they proceeded to question Andrew Pearson, 187 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,559 who had called emergency services, 188 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,519 claiming his girlfriend's death had been 189 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,879 a tragic accident after she'd slipped 190 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:46,679 and fallen into a stream. 191 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,919 Andrew Pearson gave an account 192 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,320 they'd met on the cycle path. 193 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,080 He'd gone for a walk with Natalie, and during that walk, 194 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,919 she'd fallen and slipped into a stream. 195 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,159 He then stated that he'd pulled Natalie from the stream, 196 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,440 given a CPR, and then dragged her to a tent 197 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,519 that he'd pitched nearby in some woods. 198 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,559 Andrew told the officers whilst in the tent, 199 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,120 she was awfully cold and wet, so he took her clothes 200 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:12,639 off to try and get her warm. 201 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:14,840 Pearson says that he fell unconscious 202 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,240 from the pain of his back injury, and when he woke, 203 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,000 he found Natalie dead. 204 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,600 And he said that the only thing that woke him up 205 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:26,200 was a call from a friend in America. 206 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,480 This was some 12 hours after Natalie had 207 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:30,440 cycled to work that morning. 208 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Her body was now found naked in a tent 209 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,120 with some severe injuries. 210 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Natalie's brother Alistair and their parents 211 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,559 were waiting at the scene when detectives confirmed 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,759 they'd found Natalie. 213 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,440 Mom and dad both cried. 214 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,919 During this time, we're very, very angry. 215 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,720 I felt numb all day and every day for about a week after. 216 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:56,799 Nothing added up in our heads. 217 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,440 Why would Natalie have gone down 218 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,600 into the woods at 5:30 in the morning with it being dark? 219 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:06,000 I thought it was very, very strange behavior for Natalie. 220 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,720 It's, of course, going to be very unusual for a family to be 221 00:12:08,879 --> 00:12:11,519 live at the scene itself. 222 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,960 The family stumbling across the death of a loved one 223 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,799 is going to be so distressing, so confusing, 224 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,200 and there's not going to be any answers 225 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,000 to the millions of questions that flood 226 00:12:21,159 --> 00:12:22,399 their mind in that moment. 227 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,360 An investigation into Natalie's death 228 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:29,320 was immediately launched, led by Detective 229 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,720 Inspector Steve Menzies, who began 230 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,320 to scrutinize Andrew's story. 231 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,639 But Andrew Pearson claimed to have met Natalie down 232 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:40,919 this dark, dingy cycle path. 233 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,440 In actual fact, the route from her home address 234 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,559 went down the main road and there were several places where 235 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,679 Andrew Peterson could have met Natalie in a well-lit area, 236 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,639 but he chose to meet her down this cycle path. 237 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:57,000 As the investigation got underway, 238 00:12:57,159 --> 00:12:59,279 it wasn't long before his team uncovered 239 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,480 a crucial piece of evidence. 240 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,240 So when the forensic examination took place 241 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:06,600 with the tent, it was found that Natalie's clothing was 242 00:13:06,759 --> 00:13:08,799 folded neatly in a zipped storage 243 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,480 compartment within the tent. 244 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:12,960 However, I would have expected from Andrew Peterson's account 245 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,399 that had he taken Natalie's clothing off to get her warm, 246 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,519 that clothing would have been in a bundle, 247 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,519 not stored in a storage compartment neatly folded. 248 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:23,639 But that wasn't the only discovery 249 00:13:23,799 --> 00:13:25,200 that set off alarm bells. 250 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:29,919 A number of items were found within Andrew Pearson's tent. 251 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,639 A lot of survival items, dried food, axes, knives. 252 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:36,720 But worryingly, what was found was some gaffer tape, 253 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:38,039 which was very suggestive of a gag 254 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,200 having been used on Natalie. 255 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,480 Officers immediately became very suspicious of the account 256 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:45,559 that Andrew had given. 257 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,919 Based upon that information, officers 258 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,960 determined that Andrew Pearson should be arrested 259 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,440 on suspicion of murder. 260 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,200 You're under arrest on suspicion of murder, OK? 261 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,320 You understand? 262 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,440 All right. 263 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,000 I'm just going to put some cuffs on you at the moment, OK? 264 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:04,200 He is using a higher pitched voice. 265 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,279 He is sort of trying to show off some body language 266 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,120 of being really quite timid. 267 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,919 And I have to question whether that is his natural reaction 268 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,279 or whether that's quite intentional. 269 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,399 Pearson looks very distressed. 270 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,879 He looks very shocked. 271 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:23,360 None of that naturally indicates guilt on its own. 272 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:24,960 What it could be is that he stumbled 273 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,120 across a really awful scene, and 274 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:30,440 he's distraught at the loss of Natalie. 275 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,919 Or it could be a tactic to try and garner some sympathy 276 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,559 from those arresting him 277 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,120 Following his arrest, Andrew was taken 278 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,600 to Harrogate Police Station. 279 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:44,039 I felt a lot of anger towards Andrew 280 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,720 when I'd found out he'd been arrested because I thought 281 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,240 he was a kind, decent person, and that he 282 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:51,360 wouldn't have hurt Natalie. 283 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:54,559 It's hard to describe, but it's sort 284 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,440 of a numb feeling in your head that you 285 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,559 just can't process anything. 286 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,320 The police now just had 24 hours 287 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,440 to either charge Andrew Pearson or to let him walk free. 288 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,399 They were desperately hoping he could expand on 289 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:13,440 that first 999 call he made. 290 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,080 I would have thought 291 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,559 that, given Andrew Pearson's original account that Natalie 292 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,679 had fallen to this stream and that this 293 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,360 was a complete accident leading to her death, 294 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:24,519 having then been arrested on suspicion of murder, 295 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:26,279 that he would have been very keen to give 296 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,840 an account interview. 297 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,120 However, in the police interview, 298 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:32,120 Andrew almost disengaged from the police officers 299 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,399 and refused to answer any questions. 300 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:35,840 That became really suspicious for me 301 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,559 as the senior investigating officer. 302 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:42,320 It's a real contrast from that first 999 call where 303 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,440 he is desperate for help to now somebody that looks really 304 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,679 disengaged with helping the police understand 305 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,519 what's just happened to somebody 306 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:52,759 who he claims that he loves. 307 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,200 It's relatively common that when someone has experienced 308 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,840 a significant trauma, that they go through a period of shock 309 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,759 and that can be an immediate shock, or it can be prolonged. 310 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:05,600 And that can lead to displays of various different behaviors, 311 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:07,919 including a kind of panic response 312 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,600 where actually they entirely withdraw. 313 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,480 You can also imagine if this is a case of someone innocent 314 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,120 who's been arrested and is being questioned as if they had 315 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,919 something to do with this death, that alone 316 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,480 would be really traumatizing. 317 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,320 It can make you, you know, totally withdraw into yourself. 318 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,399 It could really make you question how safe you are. 319 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:33,080 Whilst naturally you might think 320 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 that if someone's girlfriend has had an accident 321 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,639 and died in front of them, that they would be trying to provide 322 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:42,039 as much information and context as 323 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,240 possible to an investigation. 324 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,399 But you also have to remember that trauma can do really 325 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:49,399 unusual things to a person. 326 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,879 There's even conditions like selective mutism, 327 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:55,279 where people struggle to communicate at all verbally. 328 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,000 And so what Pearson is doing here, 329 00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:01,080 whilst maybe looks unusual, is not 330 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,039 entirely unheard of and cannot be enough 331 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,599 to evidence their guilt. 332 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:08,640 While police struggled to get information 333 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:11,680 from Andrew, a forensic post-mortem was being 334 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,480 carried out on Natalie's body. 335 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:15,960 Natalie had suffered 336 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,400 some external/internal bruising to her upper torso 337 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:21,880 and to her neck, but Andrew Pearson's account 338 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:23,839 was that he had given CPR to Natalie 339 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,160 at the point of taking her from the stream and at the tent. 340 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,119 So that could partially account for some of the injuries 341 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:30,240 that Natalie had received. 342 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,079 Police would have to wait for the post-mortem report 343 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,440 to find out if it would provide further information about how 344 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,279 Natalie died and whether she had fallen into the stream, 345 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,599 as Andrew claimed, or if she had been pushed to her death. 346 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,200 All the police have at this point 347 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:48,400 is suspicions. 348 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,119 They've got questions, but that is not 349 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:53,359 enough to provide evidence of guilt. 350 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:55,480 And so they need a lot more information 351 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,799 before they can start truly answering 352 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,359 any of those questions. 353 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:01,240 They're going to be looking for alibis. 354 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,039 They're going to be looking at the timelines. 355 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,039 They're going to be looking at the crime scene. 356 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,880 Things like phone records, anything 357 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:11,119 that can indicate where Andrew was before and during the event 358 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:12,559 of Natalie's death. 359 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,759 With Andrew Pearson still in custody, 360 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480 police decided to look into his cell phone, which 361 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,839 had been seized during his arrest, 362 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,319 to see if it could provide any clues as to how Natalie died. 363 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,160 Andrew Pearson was asked for his PIN number 364 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:31,799 to access that phone. 365 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,119 He refused to give that PIN number, even though he was told 366 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,680 it could be an offense and he could be prosecuted for not 367 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,039 providing the PIN number. 368 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,079 Again, that raised even more suspicion 369 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,759 as to why Andrew Pearson wasn't assisting the police. 370 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,039 I believed at that point that that phone could be really 371 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,880 key to our investigation. 372 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:50,319 It was really key that that phone forensically 373 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,519 examined as soon as possible to try and provide some evidence 374 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,720 to support the investigation. 375 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,799 While Andrew was still in custody, 376 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,920 the post-mortem results came in. 377 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:03,720 At this stage of the investigation, 378 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,519 the Crown Prosecution Service would have 379 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,240 asked for a cause of death. 380 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,319 Unfortunately, the forensic post-mortem 381 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,200 was inconclusive at that time. 382 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,359 The initial post-mortem examination 383 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,680 confirmed that Natalie had several broken ribs, 384 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,559 consistent with Andrews account, 385 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,319 that he administered CPR, but was not able to confirm 386 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,079 a definitive cause of death. 387 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,119 The forensic pathologist 388 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:30,319 needed some more investigations conducted, 389 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,880 which included histology, toxicology, and 390 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:35,920 also to check for isotopes that may 391 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:37,960 have been in Natalie's body. 392 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,079 Isotopes are unique to different bodies of water, 393 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,480 and obviously, if Natalie had been in the stream, 394 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,240 I would expect isotopes from the stream 395 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,160 to be Natalie's system. 396 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,039 The police were still no closer 397 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,240 to discovering if this had been a terrible accident, 398 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,519 and Natalie had fallen into the stream, as Andrew claimed, 399 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,119 or if she had been pushed. 400 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,279 I was left in a very difficult position. 401 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,519 Andrew Pearson's account was partly 402 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,160 supported by the forensic pathology report. 403 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:09,400 However, more investigation needed doing. 404 00:20:09,559 --> 00:20:11,000 Those investigations were going to take 405 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,799 days, weeks, and months. 406 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,599 For myself and the investigation team, 407 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:17,279 it was really frustrating that we were not 408 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,240 in a position to charge Andrew Pearson with Natalie's murder. 409 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,599 We were now left in a position where 410 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:24,279 I had to bail him with safeguarding conditions 411 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,079 until those investigations could take place. 412 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,680 In October 2019, Andrew Pearson 413 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:40,079 was arrested for the suspected murder of his girlfriend, 414 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,559 Natalie Harker. 415 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,680 You're under arrest on suspicion of murder, OK? 416 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:46,240 You understand? 417 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,079 I'm just going to put some cuffs on you at the moment. 418 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,680 But when questioned, he wouldn't talk. 419 00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:52,720 And with no clear cause of death, 420 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,960 police were forced to release him on bail. 421 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,319 Behind the scenes, detectives raced to uncover the truth. 422 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Had Natalie slipped and fallen into the stream, 423 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,160 as Pearson claimed, or had Andrew pushed her to her death? 424 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,359 It was a really tense time for the investigation team 425 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,359 and for myself as a senior investigating officer. 426 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:15,160 We knew that we'd potentially had a really dangerous man 427 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:18,000 on bail, albeit with safeguarding conditions, 428 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,359 that we had to work really hard to get back into custody. 429 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:23,279 At this point, all the police had to go 430 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,720 on where their suspicions. 431 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,119 But of course, that is not enough. 432 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,559 They needed hard evidence and they 433 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,079 wanted to try and piece together a timeline, really, 434 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,680 from locations, phone records as a way of trying to establish 435 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,680 the facts of what happened. 436 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,759 We all felt a lot of anger when we found out 437 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,799 that the police had released him, 438 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,559 because we all had a feeling that he'd maybe done it. 439 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,200 We were all worried as to how or 440 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,400 what Andrew was going to do when he was 441 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:50,960 released from police custody. 442 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240 While police awaited further postmortem tests and 443 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,799 the forensic results from Andrew's cell phone, 444 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,200 detectives began digging into Natalie 445 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,079 and Andrew's relationship. 446 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400 What we discovered was that within a few weeks or 447 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:09,839 months of Andrew Pearson, Natalie Harker becoming 448 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,119 involved in a relationship, Andrew lost his job 449 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:16,039 and he spent most of his time gaming on games consoles, 450 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,519 and he became more and more dependent on Natalie. 451 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,240 While Natalie was securing the finances with two jobs, 452 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,599 she would pester him to try and get a job, 453 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:26,720 but he refused to do so and even 454 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,799 told a friend that he wouldn't be 455 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,839 told by Natalie to get a job. 456 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,039 Natalie got sick and tired of always 457 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,759 having to pay for the cinema, meals out, days out, 458 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,440 and things like that as he never had any money. 459 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,759 As police continue to question friends and 460 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,839 family about their relationship, 461 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,200 some concerning information came to light. 462 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,240 We found out that Andrew Pearson started 463 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,640 to separate Natalie from her friends and family, 464 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:55,640 and he became very controlling over Natalie. 465 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,279 He determined when she could see 466 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,359 people who she could see and really 467 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:00,960 controlled a lot of her life. 468 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,480 Natalie's friends definitely noticed a change in her. 469 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,799 They said that she changed her personality the way 470 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,359 that she dressed, and just became 471 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:14,200 a lot more disengaged from her social life, her church, 472 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,920 which she had been really heavily involved 473 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:17,519 with in the community. 474 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,640 During the course of the relationship, 475 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:24,160 Pearson becomes increasingly reliant on Natalie financially, 476 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:26,319 emotionally, and then on top of that, 477 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,559 he starts restricting her freedom of movement. 478 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,599 And you often see that in relationships 479 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,279 that involve coercive control, people 480 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,599 do this to isolate their partner 481 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,799 intentionally so they can have greater control over them. 482 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,839 Pearson is clearly insecure about the fact 483 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,920 that he's not bringing anything to this relationship. 484 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:47,920 And so by coercively controlling, 485 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:51,720 by manipulating her, he's able to feel some power when 486 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,880 he's actually probably feeling quite powerless 487 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:55,839 in the rest of his life. 488 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,759 18 months into her relationship 489 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,160 with Andrew, Natalie had turned to her family for advice. 490 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,279 Natalie had come to me, mom, and dad, 491 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,559 and spoken to us about she wasn't feeling 492 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,559 happy in the relationship, so the three of us and Natalie all 493 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,200 decided if she wasn't happy in her marriage to call it quits. 494 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:19,799 She text Pearson saying the relationship 495 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,880 was over, to not get in contact with her again, 496 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,119 and it had taken a lot for her to get to this point. 497 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,039 She was really optimistic, looking forward 498 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,160 to a fresh start in life. 499 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,799 At the start, we thought that Andrew had taken 500 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,279 the break up really well. 501 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,680 It was only afterwards we discovered that he hadn't. 502 00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:42,720 Pearson bombarded Natalie's phone with text messages. 503 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200 He refused to accept her decision 504 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,680 and he wasn't going to take no for an answer. 505 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:50,839 He would get friends and family to message her. 506 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,680 He would send her messages on social media 507 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:57,039 and actually bump into her to and from her workplace. 508 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,799 Natalie is understandably trying to fully 509 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,599 disengage at this point. 510 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:03,960 She's not responding to any of the messages, 511 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,759 and you can understand why this needs to sort 512 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,960 of be a cut and dry moment. 513 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,640 People normally go through high emotional stress periods, 514 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,279 and then it sort of just starts to fade out. 515 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,799 That's the normal way of a breakup. 516 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,160 But in the case of Andrew Pearson, 517 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:21,880 this does the opposite because this 518 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,119 isn't so much about the breakup or the loss of love. 519 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,559 For him, this is the loss of control. 520 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,200 And so now, not having even the ability to raise a response 521 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,240 from Natalie, that's going to be infuriating to someone 522 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,359 like Andrew Pearson. 523 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,599 When Andrew's tactics failed to win Natalie back, 524 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,000 he posted a message on social media. 525 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:46,960 In that message, he 526 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,279 portrayed Natalie to be the bad person, a person who 527 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,640 was stringing him along, using him, 528 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,880 and that he was a perfect gentleman in that relationship. 529 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,960 What he was trying to do, in my view, 530 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,440 was to soil Natalie's name so that if he couldn't have her, 531 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,599 nobody else would want her. 532 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:08,000 Andrew Pearson is clearly narcissistic. 533 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,200 He has these extreme senses of grandiosity, 534 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,440 and so someone like that being broken up with 535 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,799 shakes them to their core, because what 536 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,599 our internal feelings of inadequacy, 537 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:22,440 it brings them to the surface. 538 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,640 And anyone who exposes that inadequacy 539 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,279 is immediately an enemy to someone like Pearson. 540 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,920 What he's doing at this point is just 541 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:35,319 another way of him trying to assert control over her, 542 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,799 over the narrative of their relationship, 543 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,839 and positioning himself as the victim. 544 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,039 When Natalie didn't respond to the message, 545 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,799 Andrew's behavior took a turn for the worse. 546 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,400 Andrew Pearson's attitude towards Natalie 547 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,000 completely changed. 548 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,440 He now escalated to sending a really nasty text messages 549 00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,759 to upset her and to blame her for the breakup 550 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,359 of the relationship. 551 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,319 Andrew was saying that he was going 552 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,279 to reveal that Natalie had been sleeping around 553 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,920 during their relationship. 554 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:07,640 I could not get my head around why 555 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,640 anybody, let alone somebody that claimed to love them, 556 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,200 would do that. 557 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,200 Made me really, really angry. 558 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,599 This resulted on the 18th of September, 559 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:21,720 Natalie sending Andrew Pearson a message saying that 560 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,039 the relationship was finished and pleading with him to leave 561 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,400 her alone, not to contact her, and 562 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:29,720 not to turn up at her at work. 563 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,799 In the aftermath of the breakup, 564 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Natalie tried to move on with her life. 565 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:37,640 Friends of Natalie saw a real positive change 566 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,319 in her whole demeanor having ended the relationship 567 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,319 with Andrew Pearson. 568 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,440 She was wearing makeup. 569 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:43,960 She was doing more things socially. 570 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,759 She was going to church more, going to church events. 571 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,839 But Andrew continued to harass her. 572 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,200 She mentioned to a number of people, friends, 573 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,480 people from church, work colleagues, 574 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,000 that Andrew Pearson was concerning her 575 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,319 by turning up unexpectedly at her workplace 576 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,640 or bumping into her when she was going to or from work. 577 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,079 It was really apparent that his behavior 578 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240 was escalating quite dangerously 579 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,359 to stalking behavior. 580 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,039 Natalie told her family and friends 581 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480 that she thought when she cut off contact, 582 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,119 this would all just go away. 583 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,960 But Pearson was really relentless. 584 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,680 He would not leave Natalie alone 585 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,720 and she was getting frightened. 586 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,480 She told friends that she never knew what he was capable of 587 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,359 and that he had a really volatile personality. 588 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,720 After Natalie had finished with them, 589 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,039 she'd said to me, "what do I do if I see Andrew?" 590 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,839 And I said to her, "all you need to do is if you see him, 591 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,960 walk away, go to somewhere where there's lots of people, 592 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:45,200 and you'll be all right." 593 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:47,000 At this point, I felt very angry 594 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,559 towards Andrew, as I didn't know why he 595 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,079 wouldn't leave Natalie alone. 596 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,319 And now Natalie 597 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,000 has fully cut contact with Andrew, 598 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,039 he is now escalating his behavior even further 599 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,680 because this is just another step of his control 600 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,400 being challenged. 601 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,960 He's obsessing over the end of this relationship, 602 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,559 this loss of control. 603 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,519 And so this is his way of trying to strike fear into her. 604 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,240 And it's working. 605 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,359 We didn't know at the time that Andrew 606 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,759 was stalking Natalie and turning up at her workplace. 607 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,839 Natalie was a very independent person. 608 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,079 She didn't tell us about what was going on 609 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,720 as she felt that we were going to start not letting her go out 610 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,480 on a bike and taking her to places, 611 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,160 and that would have taken her independence away. 612 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,079 We now had a really good understanding 613 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680 of Andrew Pearson's behavior towards Natalie, 614 00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:42,880 and he developed a motive to harm Natalie. 615 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,160 Natalie was so concerned about Andrew Pearson's behavior 616 00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,119 that she warned him that she would report him to the police 617 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,000 if he didn't leave her alone. 618 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,519 Unfortunately, she never did. 619 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680 Despite the damning testimony 620 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,440 police had gathered about Andrew's controlling and 621 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,599 threatening behavior, it wasn't enough to prove 622 00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,839 that he had murdered Natalie. 623 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,640 But then came a major breakthrough in the case. 624 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:09,279 The forensic examination managed to get 625 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,960 into Andrew Pearson's phone. 626 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,000 What we discovered were a series 627 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,039 of photographs that had been deleted, 628 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,880 but were managed to be recovered. 629 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,079 And that showed that Andrew Pearson 630 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,759 had been plotting some week or so before Natalie's death. 631 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,920 Evidence showed that he'd been photographing up the cycle 632 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:30,720 path, down the cycle path, which 633 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000 gave alternate views of what he could see 634 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,240 and what Natalie could see as she was cycling down the path. 635 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,759 They photographed the gateway, the field, the barbed wire 636 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,720 fence, through the wooded area, over the stream, 637 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,880 and up to the area where Andrew Pearson would 638 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:47,519 eventually pitch his tent. 639 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,640 The discovery of the photographs 640 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:51,400 taken from Andrew Pearson's phone 641 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,880 was a key missing piece of the investigation. 642 00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,839 These photos just go to show exactly how obsessive Pearson 643 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,519 was becoming, because this is now someone who is not just 644 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000 mentally stewing on this breakup 645 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,240 and becoming internally frustrated. 646 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,960 This is someone who's now actively planning ways to scare 647 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:13,039 and potentially hurt their ex-partner. 648 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000 These pictures are evidence that Pearson's initial account 649 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,480 of what occurred that he just had 650 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,799 a chance meeting with Natalie along the path 651 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,400 is total nonsense. 652 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,960 These pictures prove that this is premeditated, 653 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,839 this is planned, and Pearson can no longer be believed. 654 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,720 The phone data also provided critical information 655 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,799 about Andrew's whereabouts in the days 656 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,440 leading up to Natalie's death. 657 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,720 Further evidence gained from the phone 658 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,559 was cell site evidence. 659 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,599 We can show that the morning before Natalie was murdered, 660 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,359 he'd been in the field or at the gate, 661 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,599 watching when Natalie cycled past on her way to work, 662 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,720 so he knew exactly the time that she would pass. 663 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,279 Almost a dry run for the events that would take 664 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,960 place the following day. 665 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,039 This showed that, contrary to what Andrew Pearson had stated, 666 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,359 where he said that he'd been camping out in the days 667 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,000 before he met Natalie on that cycle path. 668 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,720 In actual fact, he hadn't. 669 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,200 The night before Natalie was murdered, 670 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,240 he was actually at home in bed. 671 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,279 We could also evidence from his phone 672 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,839 that Andrew Pearson had set his alarm that morning, so he could 673 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,640 get down to the scene and be there 674 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,319 in preparation when Natalie cycled down that cycle path. 675 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,279 This was not a chance meeting with Natalie. 676 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,480 This data shows that this is clearly 677 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240 someone who has methodically mapped out exactly 678 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,720 what he intends to happen. 679 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,920 And it's really sinister. 680 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,400 It's really chilling. 681 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,359 It's very telling of his mental state at that moment. 682 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,440 This is someone out to attack, out to assert their control. 683 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,279 As police continue to build their case, 684 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,519 another key piece of evidence surfaced 685 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,079 from the morning Natalie died. 686 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,559 Further examination of Andrew Pearson's mobile 687 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,119 telephone showed that it was powered 688 00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,319 down at 7:12 AM that morning. 689 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,119 Andrew Pearson claims that when he got back to the tent 690 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,279 and having taken Natalie's clothing off, 691 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,920 he collapsed his unconscious for a number 692 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,599 of hours due to severe back pain that he suffered. 693 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,599 Even though Andrew Pearson had powered down 694 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,680 his mobile telephone, another device in his possession 695 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:15,599 showed that he was actually moving 696 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:16,920 around the field at a point where 697 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:18,680 he claims to be unconscious. 698 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,039 This just demonstrated that Andrew Pearson's account 699 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,599 was completely untrue. 700 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,039 But what police would discover next would be 701 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,559 the most damning evidence yet. 702 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,559 The next inconsistency in Andrew Pearson's account 703 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,680 was that he claimed, having gone unconscious next 704 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,839 to Natalie, he woke up because he 705 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,359 received a call on his mobile telephone 706 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,279 from a friend in America. 707 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,559 However, the evidence showed that having powered up his 708 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,440 mobile telephone at 3:06 PM in the afternoon, 709 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:46,759 he actually tried to make a video 710 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,440 call to a friend in America. 711 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,480 This video call was either rejected or not connected. 712 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,319 Andrew Pearson then sends a text to his friend in America 713 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,039 saying, "goodbye, I've killed Natalie. 714 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960 I'm going to hand myself in." 715 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,279 Even though Andrew Pearson had deleted the iPhone message 716 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,440 in an effort to destroy the evidence, 717 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,719 the forensic examiners were able to recover the message. 718 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,800 The iPhone message led to his friend 719 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960 in America phoning Andrew Pearson. 720 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:18,960 Then followed a long telephone conversation, 721 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,599 during which Andrew Pearson tells 722 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,960 him that Natalie had fallen into the stream and had died. 723 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,960 The friend tells Andrew Pearson to contact the police. 724 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,760 As the senior investigating officer for this investigation, 725 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,559 this was a massive breakthrough. 726 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,039 This suggested to me that this was 727 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,719 a pre-planned, premeditated kidnap 728 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:38,960 and murder of Natalie Harker. 729 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,440 Investigators were finally 730 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,440 able to piece together what happened 731 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,159 on the day Natalie died. 732 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,840 Had she fallen to her death, as Pearson suggested? 733 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000 Or was she murdered? 734 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,480 Based now on all this new evidence, 735 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,119 I believe that Andrew Pearson had 736 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,559 waited down that cycle path. 737 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,559 And when she cycled towards him, 738 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,039 he jumped out, dragged Natalie off the bike, 739 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,320 and then forced her over the fence, across the field, 740 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,760 through the thicket to the stream. 741 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,480 I believe, at some point, Andrew Pearson 742 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,960 had tried to drown Natalie in the stream. 743 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,199 He's then taken to his tent where 744 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239 he stripped of her clothing. 745 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,199 Once in his tent, I believe Andrew Pearson 746 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,239 has powered down his phone to try and hide his location. 747 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,280 From the point of the kidnap of Natalie at 4:45 AM to the 999 748 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,760 call is some 12 hours. 749 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,559 I believe that Andrew Pearson had 750 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,480 to remain in the tent with Natalie's body 751 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,119 because he was disturbed by some men working in the woods. 752 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,039 That meant he couldn't emerge from the tent 753 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:41,960 for fear of being seen. 754 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,599 With all of the evidence from the breakup of the relationship 755 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,639 between Andrew Pearson and Natalie, 756 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,119 from the evidence of Andrew Pearson stalking Natalie 757 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,639 to the mobile telephone, which showed 758 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,480 the movements of Andrew Pearson, 759 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,440 I felt it was a really strong position 760 00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,960 to re-arrest Andrew Pearson for the offense of kidnap 761 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,239 and murder of Natalie Harker. 762 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,880 By late October 2019, Andrew Pearson was out on bail, 763 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,400 claiming that Natalie had died after slipping 764 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,760 and falling into a stream. 765 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,239 But behind the scenes, detectives 766 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,920 were building a case, one that pointed 767 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,159 not to a tragic accident, but to murder. 768 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440 Police now had evidence which included the photographs 769 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,159 of the cycle path, messages which Pearson 770 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,679 had deleted from his friend in America, 771 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,960 and also evidence from his devices 772 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,119 which showed that he'd been on the move 773 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,639 when he claimed he'd been unconscious. 774 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,760 And the police also had the evidence of their breakup 775 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,119 as the motive. 776 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920 So all the jigsaw pieces were there for them 777 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,519 to re-arrest and charge Pearson with the kidnapping 778 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:54,679 and murder of Natalie. 779 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,039 I deployed officers 780 00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,280 early one morning to go to his family home 781 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,599 to make that arrest. 782 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,199 Those officers told me he'd made 783 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,760 no reaction to that arrest. 784 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,039 When I found out that Andrew had 785 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,400 been re-arrested on charges of murder, 786 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,239 I felt very, very happy. 787 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,599 I thought to myself, "they've got the--" 788 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,360 Andrew was taken to Harrogate Police Station 789 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,480 and interviewed by detectives who 790 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,159 presented the overwhelming evidence they had against him 791 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,480 that they believed proved Pearson had 792 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,559 pushed Natalie to her death. 793 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,639 He continued to be disengaged 794 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,400 from the interviewing officers, and failed to respond to any 795 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:34,920 of the questions posed to him. 796 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,639 Despite all this new evidence that was put to him, 797 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,480 this continued to demonstrate to me that Andrew Pearson 798 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,119 was guilty of this offense. 799 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,280 Following those final interviews with Andrew Pearson, 800 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,239 we approached the Crown Prosecution Service 801 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,760 asking for charges of kidnap and murder of Natalie Harker. 802 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,119 Those were authorized and Andrew Pearson was charged 803 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,239 and remanded into custody. 804 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,800 In the months that followed, 805 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,159 police continued to build their case 806 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,679 to try and prove that Andrew had kidnapped and 807 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719 killed Natalie in cold blood. 808 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:11,320 But there was still no definitive cause of death 809 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,320 until the forensic pathologist's 810 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,960 full report finally came in. 811 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,960 The evidence showed that Natalie Harker 812 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,800 had died as a result of neck injuries, and the fact 813 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,400 that both her mouth and nose had been submerged under water. 814 00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,199 Natalie's cause of death was a result 815 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,360 of strangulation and drowning. 816 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,079 To identify the location 817 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,159 where Natalie was murdered, an isotope analysis 818 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,039 of the water in her lungs had also 819 00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:41,119 been carried out and examined. 820 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,719 The isotopes within Natalie's system matched 821 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,039 those from the stream close to where Andrew Pearson 822 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:47,199 had pitched his tent. 823 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,639 The pathology results concluded 824 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,320 there was no evidence of a brain injury, 825 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,639 despite Andrew's claim that she had fallen into the stream. 826 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,400 All of the forensic evidence 827 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:01,119 and the evidence gained from the scene 828 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,239 didn't show that Natalie had fallen into the stream. 829 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,960 My belief is Andrew Pearson dragged Natalie to that stream 830 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:09,920 and tried to drown her. 831 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,719 Armed with evidence that Andrew 832 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,719 had pushed Natalie underwater and drowned her, 833 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719 police received further devastating details 834 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,760 about Pearson's actions on the day Natalie died. 835 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,199 So the initial post-mortem report suggested 836 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,559 that there had been some sexual activity that had taken place. 837 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,000 Pearson raping Natalie 838 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,360 is just another way that he is yet again trying 839 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,800 to assert control over her because he 840 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,280 is physically, in that moment, dominating her. 841 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,599 And I think this is just another element where you're 842 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,760 seeing how insidious and how controlling this person 843 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,199 really is. 844 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,719 Pearson was in the tent with Natalie for hours. 845 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,480 And this was a person who he claimed to have loved. 846 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,880 At Teesside Crown Court in November 2020, 847 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,719 almost a year after his arrest, Andrew Pearson 848 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,559 stood trial for the murder of Natalie Harker. 849 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,920 We're in the courtroom. 850 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,079 We heard the 999 call that Andrew had made. 851 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,400 And I remember thinking to myself, "you little-- 852 00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,639 how dare you make yourself look like a victim?" 853 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,719 Despite all of this overwhelming evidence, 854 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,519 the fact of the mobile telephone, 855 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,760 the fact of the history, all of the forensic evidence, 856 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,840 Andrew Pearson continued to deny the fact that he kidnapped 857 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,840 and murdered Natalie Harker. 858 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,400 In court, he stuck by the story that they'd met together. 859 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:38,079 They'd walked across the field, they'd had sex in the field, 860 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,400 and then she'd fallen into the stream by accident, 861 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,159 following which he dragged her to the tent. 862 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,119 The jury to sit through and listen to all of the evidence, 863 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,599 first from the prosecution and then the defense. 864 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,079 It was harrowing evidence. 865 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,760 But not only the jury. 866 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,920 Natalie Harker's family had to sit through the evidence, too. 867 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,880 So it was really tough for them. 868 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:58,360 When we were in the courtroom listening 869 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,679 to all the evidence brought against Andrew, 870 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,840 I kept looking over at him and I 871 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,039 saw absolutely no emotion whatsoever, 872 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:11,559 no remorse, no anything, just a blank expression. 873 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,360 Going into the trial, I felt really confident 874 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,119 in the investigation that team had conducted. 875 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,159 The evidence was overwhelming. 876 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,280 However, it's a jury trial. 877 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,000 The jury have to listen to both the prosecution case and 878 00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:25,880 the defense case, and then have to make up 879 00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:27,679 their own minds based on the evidence 880 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,400 as to what they believe. 881 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,920 The jury heard evidence for over three weeks in this trial, 882 00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,360 yet they took just three hours to return a verdict. 883 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,880 Andrew Pearson was found guilty 884 00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,440 and sentenced to life in prison with a minimum 885 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,079 of 25 years for the kidnap and murder of Natalie Harker. 886 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,639 When the jury came back 887 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,840 with a guilty verdict, it was a massive relief 888 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,360 both to the investigation team and Natalie's family. 889 00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,199 When we heard the verdict, I was at home 890 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,760 with my mother and my father rang me and said, 891 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,079 "they've got him." 892 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,599 And I jumped up and I said, "we've finally 893 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,320 got justice for Natalie. 894 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,559 They've got the little bastard." 895 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,480 Both my mom and dad were feeling very, very happy, 896 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,159 as was sad but we were all still 897 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,599 very numb and very hollow. 898 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,800 At no point through this whole process, 899 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,719 from Andrew Pearson being arrested 900 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,719 to the point he was sentenced by a judge, 901 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920 did he show any remorse for the kidnap 902 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:24,639 and murder of Natalie Harker. 903 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,559 As a murder detective, I have investigated lots of murders. 904 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,039 However, this was quite striking in the fact 905 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,039 that Andrew Pearson sought revenge on Natalie. 906 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,039 Andrew Pearson controlled the relationship 907 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:37,280 with Natalie Harker. 908 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,880 However, once she got that control back, 909 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,039 he couldn't cope with that. 910 00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:46,639 This was a matter of power, revenge against Natalie Harker. 911 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,599 This is just such a tragic and upsetting case. 912 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,639 You have this young woman that was trying 913 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,000 to leave this relationship with such an abusive man, 914 00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,280 and you just hope that the verdict 915 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,360 gave her family a real sense of justice and closure. 916 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,960 In the years following 917 00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:12,320 Natalie Harker's death, her memory 918 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,679 lives on through her friends and family. 919 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,360 We got a commemorative bench 920 00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,000 in Natalie's favorite place, the church. 921 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:23,559 It's a lovely place to go and sit and 922 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,880 contemplate Natalie, just think about how 923 00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:30,480 much of a lovely young lady she was, how happy and kind 924 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,079 she was, all the friends she's left behind, 925 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,760 and the family that she's left behind. 926 00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:41,880 I'll go and visit the bench on Natalie's birthday 927 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,199 or the anniversary of when she was killed, 928 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,039 and think about how bright, beautiful, 929 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,760 and amazing of a sister she really was. 930 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,960 When me and my wife Amanda got married, 931 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,719 Natalie would have been a big part of this. 932 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,840 But with the life being so cruelly taken, 933 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:06,159 we decided that we'd have some photos taken by a memorial 934 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,199 bench so that it felt like she was part of the day 935 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,440 and part of our lives. 936 00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,960 She was a kind, loving human being with so 937 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,039 much love and life to give. 938 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,840 And that's how I'd like my sister to be remembered. 75616

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