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A fatal
fall in the shower.
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A woman's life
cut short in an instant.
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Sitting there
talking to me two days earlier,
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and now she's dead.
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It was so sad and shocking.
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Was it truly
a tragic accident--
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He claims
that he goes into the bathroom.
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And there she is,
lying on the floor,
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bleeding with
a massive head wound.
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- or murder?
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Looking at it
as a forensic pathologist,
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she had head trauma,
and it was not
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consistent with an accident.
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This starts to raise
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some serious questions.
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Leslie Neulander was
born in the early 1950s and
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grew up on Long Island,
New York, before later
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moving north to Syracuse.
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Former local chief medical
examiner Mary Jumbelic
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met Leslie shortly after she
moved to the same neighborhood.
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Leslie Neulander was
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a prominent woman in the
community here in Syracuse.
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And our social
circles and business
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circles over overlapped.
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She belonged
to the same synagogue
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that my family belonged to.
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And we would see
each other at holiday
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events and other community
fundraising events in town.
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Leslie was
a devoted philanthropist.
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And she donated
her time to causes
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like the Jewish
Community Foundation,
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Syracuse University,
and loads of other charities.
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It
was always a joy
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to see her because she had such
a bubbly and kind personality.
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She just had a way about
her of making you laugh
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and feel at ease.
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And I always admired
that about her.
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In 1983,
Leslie had married
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prominent local
obstetrician and
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gynecologist Dr.
Robert Neulander.
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People
looked up to him
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greatly in the medical world.
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And she had been
a critical care nurse,
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but had given up her career
to raise her children.
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Bob had been married
previously and had two
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children from that marriage.
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And so she helped to raise
those children as well,
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and had a very full life.
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But on the morning
of September 17, 2012,
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a distressing call was made
from the Neulander family home
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to emergency services.
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On the other line was
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Leslie's 23-year-old daughter.
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Responders arrived
at just minutes later at 8:27.
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But unusually, they found
Leslie not in the bathroom
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but in the bedroom.
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And Robert was kneeling
down near her body,
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covered in blood,
with his daughter
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just screaming in distress.
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Robert
told paramedics
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that his wife had slipped
and fallen in the shower.
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The first
police officer
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arrived five minutes later.
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They secured the scene
and followed the trail of blood
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from the bathroom
to the bedroom, where
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the first responders were
working on Leslie's body,
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giving her CPR.
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Despite their best
efforts, she was pronounced
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dead at the scene at 8:42 AM.
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Shortly after Leslie
was pronounced dead,
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the police went
into the bathroom.
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They found the shower
still running.
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And in the bedroom, there
was blood everywhere.
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And a trail running in the
corridor between the bedroom
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and the bathroom.
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Robert explained that
he had moved Leslie
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from the bathroom, where she
had fallen into the bedroom,
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because he said, it was
easier and more comfortable
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for me to perform
CPR on her there.
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The movements that
Robert said he made
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checked out with
the patterns of blood
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that the police
found at the scene.
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This theory was
actually backed up
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on the 911 call,
where we can hear
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his daughter
pleading with Robert
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not to move her mom's body.
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One of the next
to arrive at the scene
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was the medical examiner,
Dr. Robert Stoppacher.
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Dr.
Stoppacher spoke very briefly
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to some of the officers,
but he was
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advised that she had slipped
and fallen in the shower.
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She had a massive wound
to the right side of her scalp.
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It was probably about 6 inches
long, maybe an inch wide.
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And based on that preliminary
examination, he looked at it
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and said, yeah, this head
wound is consistent with a slip
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and fall in the shower.
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In the shower itself,
there was a stone bench.
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If one were to hit their head
with sufficient force,
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it could cause
a serious injury.
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On the same afternoon,
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Dr. Robert Stoppacher conducted
an autopsy on Leslie's body.
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He found that she'd had
bleeding to the brain.
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Her skull had been
shattered in so many places.
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And she also had bruising
to her internal organs.
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Taking into account
Robert's version of events,
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Dr. Stoppacher
ruled that Leslie
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had died from
an accident, blunt force
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trauma due to a fall, and that
she'd slipped in the shower
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and banged her head
on the stone counter.
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News
of Leslie's tragic death
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began to spread through
the Neulander's close
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knit community.
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I had
just arrived home
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from Europe, where I
had been hospitalized
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and near death myself
from a small fall and
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subsequent infection.
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And so, two days later, when
I'm sitting in my recliner,
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still recovering.
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My son with me, he saw a post
on Facebook that was suggestive
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that Leslie had died.
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And so then there were a lot of
phone calls that went around.
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And so, finally, I got
hold of my husband,
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and he said, yes, it's true.
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You know, She fell
in the shower and she's dead.
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I felt shocked because she
had just been in the home
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two days earlier
and now she's dead.
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It was so sad and shocking,
but I just accepted
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that that is what happened.
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Although Leslie
Neulander's sudden death
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at her home had been ruled
an accident following
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a fall in the shower, police
followed standard protocol
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in cases of sudden death by
opening an investigation, which
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would come to the attention
of Onondaga County District
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Attorney William Fitzpatrick.
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I was
advised that Leslie Neulander
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had slipped and fell
in the shower, struck her head,
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and died.
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And that's unusual
for a healthy 60-year-old,
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but not unheard of.
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There's probably
2,500 people a year
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in the United
States, on average,
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die due to bathroom accidents.
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Most of them are elderly
people caused by heart attacks.
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But there wasn't
anything reported to me
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that indicated this
was suspicious.
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And, you know, the case
just kind of sat in limbo.
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While
the police carried out
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their investigation,
friends rallied
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around the Neulander family.
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After Leslie
died, and the next night,
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my husband went
to the home to visit.
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Bob stayed in his room.
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He didn't really come
out, so my husband just
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talked with the kids,
and the rabbi was there
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and they just had
a conversation.
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When he returned, he said
it was a little awkward
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that the kids
seemed uncomfortable
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when he would bring up how
close their parents were
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and how sad this was.
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And I just attributed
that to grief.
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On September 20, 2012,
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three days after Leslie's
death, friends and family
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gathered for her funeral.
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Through the days
that followed Leslie's death,
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including at a funeral,
at other social gatherings
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where her name would come
up, that the details were
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not clear.
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The only consistent story was
Leslie fell in the shower.
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And that is pretty much
what everyone knew.
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While
friends and family
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tried to move on from
Leslie's tragic passing,
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police continued to look
into the circumstances
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surrounding her death.
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Although
the medical examiner
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had ruled Leslie's
death as an accident,
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the police still carried
on their investigation.
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And they now wanted
to talk to their daughter
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about what she
had seen that day.
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Meanwhile,
following her illness,
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Mary tried to return
to normal life.
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Mark and I decided
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we would have
a Thanksgiving party
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to thank my friends for being
helpful during my recuperation.
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A friend of mine
approached me at the party
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and said she had information
that a close friend of Leslie
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had concerns about her death.
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She said, please, will
you talk with her?
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And so I agreed to do it.
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The friend had a lot to say
about Bob's infidelity,
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about Bob's financial
problems, his behavior
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on the day of Leslie's death.
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The friend talked
about how she was
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sure that Bob killed Leslie.
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And I was a bit stunned.
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From my perspective
as a medical examiner,
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it didn't carry the weight
of actual evidence or
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forensic data.
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After she finishes her
story, I say, well,
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why don't you go to the police
and give them your statement?
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So she called me
afterward and said,
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thank you for telling me to go.
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They're going to bring Bob
back in for questioning.
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I heard he already
has a lawyer.
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And while she's
telling me this,
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I'm thinking, how odd is that?
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If this was just a cold
piece of information,
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there's no way they
would be saying to her,
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we're going to bring Bob
back in for questioning and
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telling her about the lawyer.
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And so I thought, wow, there's
something already going on.
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And a few hours later,
Bob called the house.
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Mark took the call.
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They chat for a moment or two.
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And he gets off the phone
with Bob and says,
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well, good for him.
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He's going to Israel.
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And now I'm sitting
there thinking,
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oh, gosh, I think he will just
go to Israel and not come back.
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It set off a red
flag for me because I
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was looking at those two
pieces of information
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and they were
highly concerning.
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He's supposed to give
another statement to police.
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He's leaving the country.
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And why do the police
want another statement?
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The fact that the police were
grateful the friend came in and
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provided her own observations
meant that the police are still
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concerned about this case.
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So I became concerned
at that point.
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Unbeknownst to Mary,
the district attorney's office
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was about to reopen
the investigation
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into Leslie's death.
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Initial reports
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were that this was
a slip-and-fall accident,
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and there wasn't anything that
was brought to my attention
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initially that
indicated that this was
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a homicide worth looking into.
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And then came an anonymous
letter to my office
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that piqued my interest.
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It focused
on the financial aspects
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of the Neulanders,
the fact that they were
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living in separate bedrooms.
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Not only pointed that
out, but pointed out
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that Leslie was going
to sign a lease arrangement
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that day, which is
something that I
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certainly was not aware of.
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Whoever he or she
was, was concerned
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that Neulander had
a serious financial motive
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to kill Leslie.
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Now, he or she might not have
said that in such overt terms,
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but that was the clear
import of the letter
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that this was not an accident,
that this was a homicide.
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That kind of spurred a renewed
interest, certainly by me,
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in considering bringing
in Mr. Neulander
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for a further interview.
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Just
as the district attorney
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resumed the investigation
into Leslie's death,
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Leslie's friend and former
medical examiner,
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Mary Jumbelic, got in touch.
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I had worked for
years with William Fitzpatrick.
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And even though I hadn't spoken
to him, probably at that point
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in, you know,
for years, I called him
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because I just
wanted to alert him
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that someone the police
is looking at
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is going to leave the country.
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I telephone Fitz, and I
said I was calling
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about a friend of mine.
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Before I could say
anything further,
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he said, Leslie
London Neulander.
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It was
a good guess on my part.
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I did not know why
Mary was calling me.
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I did not know that she was
very close to Bob and Leslie.
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I hadn't really seen
everything at that point,
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because we were still in the
embryonic stages of recharging
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this homicide investigation.
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But the crucial thing
that I said to Mary was,
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would you look at the file?
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I realized that something
about the cause and the manner
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of death were not settled.
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The only thing I
knew was that Leslie
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had fallen in the shower.
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I didn't know what
her injuries were.
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I didn't know if she
had a heart attack.
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I didn't know anything.
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But I had a drive to try to
help and answer the questions.
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That is what I spent my life
doing, looking at the dead
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and speaking for them
and trying to understand
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what happened to them.
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And so then I said, yes,
I'll look at the file.
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That's
when things really took off.
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And it became a full-throttled
homicide investigation.
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Following
an anonymous tip off,
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District Attorney
William Fitzpatrick
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had reopened the investigation
into Leslie's death.
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Had she slipped and fallen
in the shower, as her husband,
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Bob claimed, or had
she been murdered?
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Hoping for a second
opinion, William
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sent the case file to former
medical examiner Mary Jumbelic.
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I focused really
quickly on Leslie herself.
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Because that is my area
of expertise, the examination
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of the deceased.
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And so I focused
on her body position,
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the wounds I could see, what
I could see at the scene,
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and all the details that I
could learn from the autopsy.
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The photographs
were very graphic.
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It was shocking to see
my friend in the photographs,
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but even more shocking to see
the trauma to her body.
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Leslie's right side of her
head was bleeding extensively
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with a massive
open wound there,
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and the skull was
caved in partly.
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Looking like two blows
to the head, at least.
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And in addition to that,
she had injuries on her face
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and on her neck.
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She had bruising on her arms.
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She had injuries on her
fingers with bruising.
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The type of wound that
she had, the amount
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of fracturing of the skull,
and the other injuries
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that are present on the body
all point to inflicted injury,
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as opposed to just
tripping and falling.
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But other
details documented
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at the scene of Leslie's
death also raised
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questions about Bob's story.
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She was laying
on the floor of her bedroom,
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face up, and had been scooched
into an area between the end
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table and the bed.
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So not a really ideal
position for CPR.
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But why a physician
would choose
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to carry an injured
person, who potentially
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could have a neck injury,
60 feet to perform CPR?
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Certainly, it's
suggestive of a concern.
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But in addition
to that, there were
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blood trails going all the way
from the bed to the shower.
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And not much per se
in the shower itself,
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even though that was
the purported area of the fall.
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The manner of death
being called an accident
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didn't capture what
really happened to Leslie.
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That she had head trauma,
certainly, but was
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not consistent with a fall.
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She had been struck in the
head, and it was a homicide.
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00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,960
Mary took her
findings to William,
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and he requested
a search warrant
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for the Neulander's home.
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Around six months
after Leslie's death,
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Mary, William,
and forensic pathologist
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Dr. Baden visited
the house, which they were
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now viewing as a crime scene.
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The house
had been sold,
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but the new owners
hadn't moved in yet.
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And the second floor
was still untouched.
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And we wanted
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to focus on the area
in the bedroom
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where Dr. Neulander claims he
took Leslie after he removed
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her body from the shower.
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00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,400
Most of the blood on the wall
had been cleaned away,
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but several things of
incredible importance remained.
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So we ripped up the carpet,
and there's a little rubber
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undercarriage to the carpet.
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That was completely
soaked with blood.
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And then when we
lifted that up,
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the floorboard, completely
soaked with blood.
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It should have been
a minimal amount of blood
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because she had no pulse.
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In fact, there was a massive
amount of blood completely
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inconsistent with his story.
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What that indicates to me is
that while she's alive and
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has a pulse and is
bleeding, her head
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is somewhere in that vicinity.
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The other amazing
thing that we were
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00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,480
able to get from that
examination was the headboard.
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Now, it is very, very difficult
to see any physical evidence
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on the board because it's
a cloth-like material
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and it's very, very dark.
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And then when we examined
that, there were several dozen
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blood spatters from Leslie.
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The new
evidence discovered
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at the Neulanders home was sent
away for forensic analysis.
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I
knew Leslie's death
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wasn't an accident
when I looked
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at the pictures of her body.
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The scene was corroborative
with the findings there.
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This is a homicide.
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This is not a fall from
standing height accident.
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Six months
after Leslie's death,
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her case was now a full-blown
murder investigation,
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but her death certificate
remained an issue.
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It would
be very difficult to ask a jury
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to convict someone beyond a
reasonable doubt of a homicide
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00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:52,359
when your medical
examiner says, hold on,
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00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:54,119
she died as a result
of an accident.
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00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:57,559
William and Mary
presented their findings
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to the medical examiner,
Dr. Stoppacher,
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to ask if he would reconsider
the manner of Leslie's death.
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00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,039
We discussed
our difference of opinion
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00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,079
and discussed
the science behind it,
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00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,319
and talked about
wounding patterns and
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00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,480
what happens to the brain in a
fall versus blows to the head.
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And at the end of that, I
think the medical examiner
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felt they needed more.
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00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,519
They needed more information.
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00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,240
They needed more opinion
in order to budge
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00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,680
from the concept of the fall.
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00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,039
So we decided
that the expertise
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00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,599
of a neuropathologist,
and particularly
403
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:43,839
a forensic neuropathologist,
would be useful to elucidate
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00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640
this difference of opinion.
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00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,319
In December
2013, while William awaited
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00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,920
the forensic
neuropathologist report,
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00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,400
he approached Bob's
lawyer with a request
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00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,119
for a formal interview.
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00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,480
Robert said
that he had nothing to hide,
410
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,599
so he voluntarily sat
down for an interview
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00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,839
with officers
and the district attorney.
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00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,480
During the questioning,
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00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119
he admitted that there was
difficulty in their marriage.
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00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240
William soon turned
his questioning to the day
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00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,839
that Leslie died.
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00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,240
He says
that he got up that morning,
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00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,759
that he went jogging.
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00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,279
He came back, prepared a cup
of coffee for his wife.
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00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,680
He
cleaned up from jogging,
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00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,559
then began to make
a small breakfast,
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00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,359
then goes back upstairs.
422
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,200
The shower is still running.
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00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,200
Now she's been in there,
according to him, at least
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35 minutes at that point.
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00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,319
He claims that he goes into the
bathroom to see if she's OK.
426
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000
This
is a doctor of 30 years.
427
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,799
What's the first thing you
would do if you had never
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00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,839
even seen a medical school?
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00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,160
There's a phone 5
feet away from them
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00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,440
on the counter
of the bathroom sink.
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00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:46,680
Pick up the phone.
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00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,079
Call 911.
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00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Instead, he leaves her there.
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00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:53,640
He does a cursory check
to see if she's alive.
435
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,680
Claims that she's breathing.
436
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,119
Goes about 90 feet further
into the house to get
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00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,559
his daughter to call 911.
438
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,400
Bob claimed
he then carried
439
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,319
Leslie from the bathroom into
the bedroom to continue CPR.
440
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,839
I then
simply slid over to him
441
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
a number of photographs.
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00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,039
And said, Dr. Neulander,
can you explain this?
443
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,400
Can you explain the blood?
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00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:25,920
And he looked at me,
and he said, no, I can't.
445
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,559
Despite Bob's
calm, matter-of-fact account
446
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,079
of the events surrounding
Leslie's death,
447
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,519
William wasn't
convinced by his story.
448
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:39,480
My theory that he attacked her
449
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,480
in the bedroom and left her,
probably to die on the floor
450
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960
while he's trying
to figure out what to do.
451
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,880
This is not
a premeditated crime.
452
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:53,640
He did not plot this out.
453
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000
This was a rage homicide.
454
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,119
Something snapped.
455
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:01,920
They argued about something.
456
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,200
Whatever it was,
it set him off.
457
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,240
And then he's faced
with an opportunity.
458
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,480
Now, what do I do?
459
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,480
The only thing I can say
to describe that wound
460
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640
is that she fell in the shower.
461
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,079
But if Bob had
murdered Leslie in the bedroom,
462
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,960
the one thing
that didn't add up
463
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:25,599
was why the bed sheets
weren't covered in blood.
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00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,720
Before questioning Bob,
police had interviewed
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00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,519
the Neulander's housekeeper.
466
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,480
The housekeeper says,
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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240
I changed the sheets
on Friday, and
468
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Leslie was killed on a Monday.
469
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:43,519
She looks
at the photos and says,
470
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400
those are not the sheets that
I put on the bed on Friday.
471
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,839
And she says, by the way,
there's a pillow missing.
472
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,559
There's only three
pillows there.
473
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,839
So when he was asked
about the pillows,
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00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,640
oh, we didn't have
a pillow in a guest room,
475
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,039
and we needed
a pillow for that.
476
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,759
Well, who is that for?
477
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Well, people were coming over.
478
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,599
Oh, yeah, people were coming
over after she was dead.
479
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:15,880
The pillow was missing
before she was dead, Doc,
480
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:17,279
what are you talking about?
481
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:20,799
There's no question in my mind
that the original sheets
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00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,839
that she left on that bed
Friday were on that bed
483
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,480
Monday morning when
Leslie was assaulted.
484
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,720
And then soaked with
blood, he removed
485
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,720
the sheets, removed the pillow
that probably had blood on it
486
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,119
as well, removed
the murder weapon.
487
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,440
And then while he went
for his supposed jog,
488
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:43,079
he was actually going out
to dispose of those items.
489
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:49,519
With missing bed
sheets and no murder weapon,
490
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,559
investigators couldn't
determine what
491
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
had been used to kill Leslie.
492
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,559
And with her death
still ruled accidental,
493
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960
police remained unable
to charge Bob with her murder.
494
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Then, 18 months
after Leslie's death,
495
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,039
came the news they've
been waiting for.
496
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,720
The neuropathology report,
497
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,759
an evaluation
of the brain, indicated
498
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,519
it was inflicted
injury, allowed
499
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,519
the medical examiner to be
able to change the death
500
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,160
certificate to homicide.
501
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,799
The size
the wound, combined
502
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,240
with the discovery
of distinctive bruising
503
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,839
on the opposite side
of Leslie's brain,
504
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,839
was consistent with
being hit by an object,
505
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240
not with a fall from
standing height.
506
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,400
Based on
the accumulation of evidence,
507
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,039
Dr. Stoppacher changed,
not the cause of death,
508
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,519
but the manner of death.
509
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Cause of death was still
a massive blow to the head,
510
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,599
but the manner of death
was now listed as homicide.
511
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,160
That was it.
512
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,400
There were no more avenues
of escape for Dr. Neulander.
513
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,119
Three
days later, on June 23,
514
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,160
Dr. Robert Neulander is charged
with second degree murder
515
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:03,880
and tampering with
physical evidence.
516
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,839
On March 16, 2015,
2 and 1/2 years after Leslie
517
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Neulander was found dead at her
home in Syracuse, New York,
518
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,240
her husband, Dr.
Robert Neulander,
519
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,920
went on trial for her murder.
520
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,599
Big
trials are part theater,
521
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,039
and no one knew that
better than Bob Neulander.
522
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,599
Every day we would watch
this litany of him walking
523
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,920
down the courthouse hallway.
524
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,440
And he'd have his
daughter, his son,
525
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,599
or, in some instances,
Leslie's sister,
526
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,200
consoling him as he walked.
527
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,920
It might look unusual
528
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,400
that the family
of the victim are
529
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,279
seemingly siding with
the accused perpetrator.
530
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
But you've got
to remember, at this time,
531
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,680
the family do not have all
the evidence that Mary has
532
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:03,359
or that the DA office have.
533
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,480
They have not been subject
to all of that information yet.
534
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,839
And so at the moment,
naturally,
535
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,799
a family going through
a traumatic period
536
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,039
are rallying together.
537
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,640
You've also got to remember
from the perspective
538
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,720
of the children, they've just
lost their mother in really
539
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,599
traumatic circumstances.
540
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,079
And if they believe that
their father did this,
541
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480
they're also, in a way,
losing their father.
542
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,680
So you can understand
why people group together
543
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,359
in this moment,
because they're just
544
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,559
trying to protect
the little sort of normality
545
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,000
of their family unit.
546
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,640
The prosecution
argued that Leslie's death
547
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,200
was no bathroom accident.
548
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:46,680
Instead, that she was murdered
in the bedroom by her husband,
549
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:49,200
as proven by forensic evidence.
550
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,039
There's
blood spatter on the wall
551
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,799
and on the ceiling
from an object
552
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640
being struck on Leslie's head.
553
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,279
And then when it comes
back for another strike,
554
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,799
it gets cast off
on the wall, in the ceiling.
555
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,359
There are blood droplets
556
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:12,000
on the lampshade, on the clock
radio, on family photos,
557
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,519
on the headboard,
on the blinds to, say,
558
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,840
nothing of the blood
in the bathroom.
559
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,760
Here's the explanation
they come up with.
560
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,880
So he went out for a jog,
came home, showered up,
561
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:35,559
put his pajamas on, and then
put another pajama top on,
562
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,320
for some reason.
563
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,000
And when he was
carrying Leslie,
564
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,119
that top became
saturated with blood.
565
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,039
He took the shirt off because
it was uncomfortable for him.
566
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:56,599
And this blood cast off
and spattered at various points
567
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,000
throughout the bedroom.
568
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,360
Secondarily, when
the EMTs got there,
569
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,880
as they removed
their gloves, they removed
570
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,079
them slingshot fashion.
571
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,599
And that spattered a lot
of blood throughout as well.
572
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,800
Now there's two significant
difficulties with both
573
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,400
of those explanations.
574
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,480
Number one, no one saw
him with a second shirt.
575
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,000
The second thing is
that the EMTs were all
576
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,079
very professional,
and they are trained
577
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,920
on how to remove
a glove to avoid
578
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,880
exactly this type of issue.
579
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,480
In addition to that, they
also indicated, we hardly
580
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,679
had any blood on our gloves
that we noticed
581
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,280
because she wasn't bleeding.
582
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:44,360
The prosecution
also argued that Leslie's head
583
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,840
injuries were not caused
by an impact in the shower
584
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,639
as Bob had claimed.
585
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,159
On the right
side of the head,
586
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,280
the skull injury
is caved in partly
587
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,519
in a pattern that is not
consistent with hitting
588
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,119
the edge of a marble bench.
589
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,320
In addition, it appears
there's two blows
590
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,760
on that side of the head.
591
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,360
So both of those
things don't line up
592
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:13,000
with the stone bench theory.
593
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,400
If you leave aside
594
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,400
the medical evidence,
the blood spatter,
595
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,559
I thought the most
significant part was calling
596
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,920
the daughter to the stand.
597
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,480
The daughter
was called as a witness.
598
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:31,880
And the 911 call was
played in the courtroom.
599
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,960
What was
chilling in the courtroom
600
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,920
was that the family
is there listening
601
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,159
to the daughter's 911 call.
602
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440
And it's just
heartbreaking because you
603
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:01,840
can feel the pain that the
daughter feels when she first
604
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,039
sees her mother being
carried by her father,
605
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,039
and the terror in her voice,
the sadness, the angst.
606
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,199
The problem was
that perception of events
607
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,079
just didn't stack
up to the facts.
608
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,079
One of the most
crucial pieces of evidence
609
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,719
for the prosecution was the
moment Leslie's daughter placed
610
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,800
the 911 call on hold,
leaving her mother's office
611
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,559
to head toward
the bathroom, where
612
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,440
she claimed Leslie was lying.
613
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,719
When quizzed
about the 12-second
614
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,119
gap between switching
phones, her story fell apart.
615
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,599
Her story had
616
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,639
changed significantly
at trial in this very,
617
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,599
very important regard.
618
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,079
Yes, I went into the room
with a bidet and the toilet,
619
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,599
and I picked up the phone.
620
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,639
But it wasn't working,
so I dropped that phone.
621
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,800
I then assisted
my father in removing
622
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,199
my mother from the shower.
623
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,519
We then took her
a couple of feet.
624
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,760
We laid her down
outside of the bathroom.
625
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,599
My dad began to perform CPR.
626
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,199
It didn't seem
to be successful,
627
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:31,000
so we moved her again
further into the bedroom
628
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,639
and dropped her just
short of the bed.
629
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,440
I then went,
remembering that the 911
630
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,559
operator was still on hold.
631
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,880
I picked up the phone, and I
don't remember what I said,
632
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,760
but I can hear the tape
and I understand that.
633
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,519
None of that is
remotely possible.
634
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,599
You cannot do everything that
she claims that she did in 12
635
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,719
seconds, which was the amount
of time between the 911
636
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,199
operator being put on hold.
637
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:05,559
And the, oh, my god,
638
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,679
there's blood everywhere,
resumption of that call.
639
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,880
It would have taken
conservatively a minute
640
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,440
to do everything that
she claims that she
641
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,639
did do in that 12 seconds.
642
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,119
Her statement
643
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,960
has some really contradictory
points the evidence
644
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,760
can prove a false.
645
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,199
But you also have to remember
that she has witnessed
646
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,679
something really
traumatic, you know,
647
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,960
her mother dying
in heinous circumstances.
648
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,480
And so trauma can
do really strange
649
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,280
things to a person's memory.
650
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,320
So it might not be that she
intentionally misleading
651
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,280
or proposing false information.
652
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,360
It might just be
that, actually, she
653
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:44,519
can't remember exact details.
654
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,199
After she
testified, the case was done.
655
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,800
After two weeks
of hearing evidence,
656
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,760
the jury retired to deliberate.
657
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,320
The worst part of a trial
658
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,719
is waiting for a verdict.
659
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,519
And you always
feel the same way.
660
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,280
You put your heart
and soul into the case.
661
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,159
In some cases, you feel
more confident than others.
662
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,400
I was nervous because juries
are very earnest,
663
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,719
and they try very hard
to do the right thing.
664
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,519
But it doesn't always come
out as a forensic professional
665
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,280
might think it would.
666
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,079
After three
days of deliberation,
667
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,000
the jury returned
their verdicts.
668
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:34,840
They found Robert Neulander
guilty of second degree murder
669
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,239
and tampering with evidence.
670
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,400
Everybody
in this case was resolute.
671
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,400
They knew that he did it,
and they felt comfortable
672
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:42,400
with their verdict.
673
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:43,719
And I felt great.
674
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,400
I was just
professionally satisfied
675
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:47,800
that justice was done.
676
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,360
Four months
later, he appeared in court.
677
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:56,280
And Robert Neulander was
sentenced to 20 years to life.
678
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,920
Bob was
facing incarceration
679
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,719
for the rest of his life.
680
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,760
But his defense team appealed
and argued for a retrial,
681
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,000
citing serious
juror misconduct.
682
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:13,159
An alternate
juror pointed out
683
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,719
that they believed 1
of the 12 actual jurors
684
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,599
had been involved in something.
685
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,440
So the judge
ordered examination
686
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:21,840
of this juror's phone.
687
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,800
This investigation found that
this juror had sent over 7,000
688
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,440
messages during this
three-week period
689
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:36,199
to family and friends talking
about the criminal trial.
690
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,880
And this was
in direct violation
691
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,000
of the judge's
instructions for jurors
692
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,159
not to discuss the case
with outside sources
693
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880
or to get information
from anywhere else.
694
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,039
And these messages included
one from her father,
695
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,800
saying, make sure
he is found guilty.
696
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,840
And she failed to disclose
this to the court.
697
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,679
The outcome of all of this
was that in June 2018,
698
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,800
the conviction was vacated.
699
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000
It was annulled as if the trial
and conviction never happened.
700
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,679
Robert was
released on $1 million
701
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,119
bail until the retrial
could take place.
702
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,679
They hired
a very good guy, very good
703
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,880
lawyer out of New York City.
704
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,599
And we began to prepare
for trial number two.
705
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,039
On February
28, 2022, almost
706
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:32,880
10 years after Leslie's
death, the retrial began.
707
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,679
I thought
another group of jurors
708
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880
presented with these
same information
709
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:39,760
would see it the same way.
710
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,920
But, again, you
never know until it's
711
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:44,480
all the way through the trial.
712
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:46,519
The jury, to our amazement,
713
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,599
five hours after they
retired, they came back
714
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,280
in with a verdict of guilty.
715
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,320
And I feel great about that.
716
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400
When I
heard the verdict of guilty
717
00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:00,280
for the second trial, it was
just, oh, thank goodness.
718
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,559
I hope the family can try
to move on in some way now.
719
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,559
Because they
really are carrying
720
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,239
a huge burden with them.
721
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,840
On May 2, 2022,
Bob was sentenced to 20 years
722
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,360
to life for the second time.
723
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,960
Thanks, not only
to the prosecution team,
724
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,440
but also Leslie's friend,
former medical examiner
725
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:24,559
Mary Jumbelic.
726
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,760
I took
Leslie's message--
727
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,199
look what happened to me.
728
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,400
And I gave it to people
who needed to hear that.
729
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,679
And, yes, I do
feel proud of it,
730
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,079
but I also feel like
it was a fulfilling of,
731
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,760
you know, what has
always been my calling,
732
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,639
which was to do
that for the dead.
733
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,679
I remember Leslie
for her lightheartedness
734
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,280
and her kindness and her humor.
735
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,039
But I remember
her in death, too,
736
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,800
because it has helped other
women who maybe are trapped
737
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,400
in situations with
spouses or have
738
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,199
experienced domestic violence.
739
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,880
She was important
in the community,
740
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,400
but she was just important
on a personal level
741
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:18,920
of how she made others feel.
742
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:24,920
And I think those that knew
her should think of that
743
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:26,480
and remember her.
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