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{\an8}This programme contains strong
language and discussions of suicide
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{\an8}The horsing community's so tight,
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{\an8}they couldn't make sense of
why Katie would take her own life.
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Katie Simpson was known as
a fantastic rider.
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She had everything to live for.
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Every corner you turn there's
a big flashing red flag.
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Jonathan Creswell had been convicted
in relation
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to domestic violence assaults.
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I was sexually assaulted when
I was 19 years old.
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Katie was terrified of Creswell.
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They protected him.
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This has been a murder.
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They continue to treat it as
a suicide.
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There was a definite
orchestrated campaign
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to make sure I couldn't
investigate this.
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She felt that she had to keep
a secret.
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Katie had started a relationship
with a man called Shane McCloskey.
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And this chance meeting...
...really lit the fuse...
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...ultimately started
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a domino effect which ends in
Katie's death.
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People need to know what happened
to Katie.
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Shane McCloskey was her
first boyfriend.
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The first time I ever met
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Katie I was one of
the Donegal Harriers Hunt.
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I thought there was no fear in her
and stuff
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because that horse that she was
hunting that day
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for sure didn't look easy.
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One word to describe,
he looked a bit wild.
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Katie, she could light up a room.
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She could have brought you around
to be, you know,
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laughing and not even realising that
you were laughing.
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Katie could get on with,
you know, everyone.
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Was always just a pleasure
to be around.
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I suppose that when we realised that
we were both going to give things
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a go, me and Katie,
we just thought, why not?
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On the 1st of August,
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Katie had gone out with a friend
for an evening in the Moy.
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Katie was just telling me
about her night out
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and what they done,
and who they met up with and,
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you know, that they had
a really good night.
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She was in great form.
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At around midnight that night,
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Shane had travelled from Derry
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to meet Katie at her mother's house.
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Shane then stayed the night
and left at 0600 the next morning.
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Katie then starts her event in
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the Meadows Equestrian Centre in
Lurgan.
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We kept in contact that morning.
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Around midday during that event,
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Katie sends a text to
Shane McCloskey saying...
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It was just more of
the fact of trying
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to get my story right,
like, I was in my own home,
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I wasn't up in Katie's,
I never seen Katie.
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That I wasn't there.
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And one of the messages I did
ask Katie,
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"Can we not just tell
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"the truth?" It was
just a straight, "No."
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One text that Shane sends
to Katie is...
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And Katie says...
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Shane agrees to lie for Katie
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and say that he was
with his father.
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She then continues,
"Just please can you delete them?"
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It's very confusing.
Maybe she doesn't like me,
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maybe... I don't know,
you start to over-think
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and you start to over-analyse
everything.
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I think Johnny Creswell thought he
owned Katie as part
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of his property.
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She was clearly in fear
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of Creswell finding out that she
had been in
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the company of another man.
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Because of what we'd uncovered
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the information against
Creswell was overwhelming.
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It exploded this case open
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for me that can re-elevate this case
to murder.
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It was approximately five months
after Katie had died.
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I was so emotional at the time.
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I'm just delighted we could
do something.
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This murder investigation was
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going to tell everybody what
happened to Katie.
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We could not tell anybody.
We couldn't,
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because we could not alert Creswell
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to what we were doing.
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Cos he may conceal or damage
evidence or intimidate witnesses.
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We couldn't highlight
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to people around Creswell
or even Katie's family,
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because the horsey community is
so tight and people would talk.
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One person got a sense we were
launching a murder investigation,
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everybody would know about it.
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I knew now the pressure was on.
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January, February,
and into early March,
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that was probably
the most stressful period.
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It was sleepless nights.
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I was receiving calls from officers
saying how I was making mistakes
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and how this was going
to make me look stupid in
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the long run.
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You're trying to make a
name for yourself.
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You were constantly thinking
about it.
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And that's where the doubt
was creeping in.
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Have I been wrong?
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Due to concerns I had in relation
to the postmortem,
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I requested Dr Bentley to review
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the photographs that were taken
during the postmortem.
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He was able to say that
Katie had been beaten with
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a rod type implement
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and this could be shown by
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the tramline bruising on
her legs and arms.
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Shane was able to say
she had no injuries,
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no bruises.
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Up until 0600 on the 2nd,
Katie has no injuries.
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When the murder investigation
had been officially launched,
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at that point, we were able
to get all
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the samples taken during
the postmortem to be now tested.
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As Katie's death was being
treated as a suicide,
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all forensic samples
that were taken from
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Katie during her postmortem
were not processed.
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They were just stored from that
point as no investigation
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was being carried out.
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Swabs had been taken
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to obtain intimate samples
from Katie,
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particularly because she was
bleeding from an intimate area.
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It took three weeks
to get the results back.
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I then received an email
which shocked me.
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Jonathan Creswell's semen
has been found on
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Katie Simpson's vaginal swabs.
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When we established that
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Jonathan Creswell's semen
had been found on
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Katie Simpson's vaginal swabs,
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there was no reasonable situation
whereby this could occur.
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It was a turning point for us,
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because he had obviously been
asked at the time,
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when he was initially spoken to,
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if there was any relationship
between the two of them.
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And he had said no.
As interview coordinator,
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it was a good moment for
the investigation.
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It was something very positive.
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Jonathan Creswell is
a dangerous sociopath.
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He's a danger to women.
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He's violent towards women.
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You know you have to arrest him.
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There was no covert or overt
monitoring of Creswell at the time.
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We needed to find out where
he was staying.
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He was in a house in
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Briar Hill that his mother
lived in.
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On the morning of 2nd March, 2021,
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an operation is put into place
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to arrest Jonathan Creswell,
and search his premises,
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and then, bring him into custody.
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It would be really damaging if we
tried to arrest him and missed him,
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and then he'd be ahead of the game.
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{\an8}So, we had to make sure that
we got there extremely early.
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The closer and closer you get
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to now going open about what
you'll be doing is exciting.
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It is extremely intense when you go.
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It was 5am, and we hit the house.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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There was a huge delay
in somebody answering the door,
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even though we knew people
were in the house.
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This raised my suspicions.
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When we got in,
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I told him he was going
to be arrested for
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the murder of Katie Simpson.
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He was pretending to be shocked
and tearful.
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"No, not my Katie, not my Katie."
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He wasn't expecting this.
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Definitely wasn't expecting this.
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We have him in custody.
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That was an important hurdle
to get over.
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I rang Paula.
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Paula would come down
and get the kids.
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I went into the house, get the kids,
straight out the door,
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and then, when I was outside,
I spoke to Christina
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and gave her a hug,
and told her to be brave
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and everything will be OK.
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Finally got him arrested.
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It was a really,
really good feeling.
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Christina, Creswell's partner,
was not going to be harmed.
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You know, he'll never be
able to harm her.
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When I got him arrested,
it was like...
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It was hard.
Like, I fucking got you now,
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but the game wasn't over,
it was only beginning.
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There's a lot of tension in the air.
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You've worked for months at this,
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and this is it happening now,
and the clock is running.
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I'm already at the Strand Road
police station preparing
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for interviews.
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I had been able
to put together quite
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an extensive strategy
to include statements,
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telecoms information, CCTV,
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and would last for a number of days.
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Jonathan Creswell
was very much the lead
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and only suspect in this inquiry.
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So, Creswell comes into
the interview,
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along with his solicitor,
and he has his head down,
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he's quite sombre-looking.
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He's putting forward this idea
that this is a travesty of justice,
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and he has been wrongly arrested.
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He was happy to talk at the start,
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and to give it his version
of events.
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He immediately says he was in
a sexual relationship with Katie.
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Jonathan Creswell said
that his relationship with Katie
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had been going on for
a number of years,
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and that nobody else knew about it.
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Christina didn't know about it,
according to Jonathan.
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I was disappointed that
he had brought that out.
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It was a setback,
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because we had hoped
to hold back the presence of
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Jonathan Creswell's semen in Katie.
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Jonathan Creswell said that,
on Sunday,
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the 2nd of August, 2020,
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when they returned home that night,
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Katie and him had sex
in the bedroom.
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He said he loved her,
she was his soulmate.
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This destroyed
the trump card we had.
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Evidence of this intimate
relationship was now useless
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to us in the interview.
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The interview team then asked
Jonathan Creswell to draw out
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how Katie was hanging,
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and to draw out what he saw
when he entered the house.
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So, he drew the handrail,
the spindles...
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...and how the ligature was tied up.
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He said it was around one spindle
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and back over the rail, and down.
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He talked about Katie
kissing the wood -
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this was a reference to the bottom
of the spindles on the stairs,
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where he told us
Katie's face was positioned.
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So, for this to happen,
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you've the exact
measurements of Katie,
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and Creswell is saying
her head is here.
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There's no sign of a ligature mark,
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there's no sign of any damage
to any of the spindles.
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I got a ligature strap
the exact same size.
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Tried to do it as Creswell said -
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tie it over the banister,
tie it in a V-shape -
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but the noose would've only
come down to about here.
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The ligature wasn't long enough.
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It was out by about a foot.
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So, what he was describing
couldn't have happened.
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As he finished drawing it,
he turned to his solicitor and said,
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"That's too short, isn't it?"
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I knew at that point
this was the lie.
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This is not how Katie was hanging,
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because he wouldn't be asking
his solicitor if it was too short.
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The interviewers they then asked
him about Katie's phone.
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Katie's phone was missing.
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It did cause me concerns,
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because phones hold so much data.
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But during our investigation,
we were able to see,
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from cell site analysis,
how Katie's phone moved,
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especially on the morning
of the 3rd of August,
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when she went to hospital.
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Katie's and Johnny's phone
travelled to his mother's house.
252
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We can see both phones coming
back to Gortnessy Meadows
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when he finds Katie.
254
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We don't believe Katie had
that phone at that time.
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We believe, on that morning,
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the phone is now with
Jonathan Creswell.
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We can then see
both phones are in the car,
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going to the Tirbracken Road
to meet the ambulance.
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At the Tirbracken Road,
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Katie's phone is either turned off,
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or has gone on flight mode.
262
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However, we can see that Katie's
phone then reconnects to the network
263
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when Katie's in the hospital.
264
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Katie cannot - and is not -
operating this phone.
265
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Somebody else has control
of Katie's phone at this point.
266
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The interviewers talked about
that and asked him.
267
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Johnny knew he was now cornered.
268
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He did not lose the phone at
the side of the road,
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as he told police.
270
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We are now showing Johnny
he had lied to us.
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This was huge.
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He looked to the solicitor
and asked if he could have a break.
273
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Jonathan Creswell returns after
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a short consultation with
his solicitor.
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He has something to tell them.
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He says, "I have Katie's phone."
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It was buried in a field where
he kept his horses.
278
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So, Jonathan draws a map for
the interviewers to show them
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exactly where the phone
can be located.
280
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This was huge for us.
281
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When we interrogated the phone
and see what the phone was doing
282
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at the time Katie was in
Creswell's car...
283
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...we could see when the
Ambulance Service rang Creswell
284
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and the duration of that call.
285
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When Creswell was on the phone
to a call handler,
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he advises him that he should pull
over to the side of the road
287
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to try and get Katie into
the recovery position
288
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and start doing CPR on her.
289
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,319
When he alleges he was doing
his best to give her
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life-saving treatment,
291
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he was, in actual fact,
on her phone.
292
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And put it onto flight mode.
293
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At a time when she was at
her most vulnerable,
294
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his priority was to put her phone
on the airplane mode, with a view
295
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that it couldn't be tracked,
296
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and that he could do anything
with it later on when he wanted.
297
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He did not want to save Katie.
298
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Katie's text messages, as well,
were assessed by the analyst.
299
00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,039
The messaging from Creswell
to Katie Simpson on the morning
300
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,919
of the 2nd of August, 2020,
301
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were quite nasty.
302
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They're horrific,
the way he talks to her.
303
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{\an8}He had messaged her and rang her,
304
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{\an8}and she hadn't answered.
305
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,759
The messages then
became more abusive.
306
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It ramped up, the longer
he couldn't get a hold of Katie.
307
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When he arrived at that horse show,
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he had been in a state
of complete anger,
309
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he'd been exchanging angry
text messages with Katie.
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Come early afternoon,
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a fear in Katie.
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00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,359
After those messages, there's
limited communication with Shane.
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I sent Katie a few messages,
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{\an8}and there were no replies
to them whatsoever.
315
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Creswell had ordered her then
to get into the car...
316
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,119
...and then, did not take in any way
what could be described as
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a direct route back to their home.
318
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,799
Creswell is now in possession
of Katie's phone,
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he's taken it off her.
320
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,439
We're able to track
Katie and Creswell's phone
321
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,040
from the show in Lurgan.
322
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,119
We can track the phones
moving in sync with the ANPR
323
00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,800
and the movement of the vehicles.
324
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,359
At one stage,
they crossed the border.
325
00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,799
We can only imagine this was
because Katie was being subjected
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00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,040
to an interrogation.
327
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320
They then travelled to
the horse yard.
328
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,439
Was this the place
where the attack started?
329
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,440
At an area known to Creswell
that he could get away with...
330
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,920
beating Katie or abusing,
or raping Katie?
331
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,839
{\an8}And you see it's quite secluded,
laneways and open fields
332
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,440
{\an8}where he could have taken Katie.
333
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,679
In Jonathan's interview,
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he says he went to a beauty spot
with Katie and...
335
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840
...where they had sexual intercourse.
336
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,920
We don't believe that - it's rape.
337
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,439
Whether he physically forced it or
emotionally forced Katie to do it,
338
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,239
Katie felt she had no choice,
339
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,799
but it was a way to try pacifying.
340
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,800
That is rape, and that's horrendous
for any person to go through.
341
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,239
Leaving the show in Lurgan,
342
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,159
to getting to the house at
20 past, half past midnight,
343
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,519
that whole period, she was
in Creswell's control.
344
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,720
She could not call for help.
He had her phone.
345
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,000
Shane McCloskey sends Katie...
346
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,120
...asking, is she OK?
Is she home yet?
347
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,599
It was just a simple message
coming and going, er,
348
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,239
I think it was, "I'm OK",
or "Everything's OK."
349
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,679
A text reply comes back,
350
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,679
"Yeah, we're just home now."
351
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,639
This is not true because,
at that point,
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00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,880
the phones are in Claudy.
353
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,559
Shane then sends Katie another text,
354
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,799
"I thought you were annoyed with me
for what happened last night."
355
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,639
The text back from Katie's phone is,
356
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,559
"What do you mean
what happened last night?"
357
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,959
Shane replies,
358
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,440
"Because we slept together."
359
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,839
This now makes things
so much more dangerous.
360
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,439
Creswell knows Katie has spent
the night with Shane.
361
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,999
That was the turning point.
362
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,200
Creswell was no longer
in control of Katie.
363
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,959
As soon as we arrested
Jonathan Creswell,
364
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,079
there was a lot of people
we had to speak to.
365
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,199
{\an8}These were people that were
in and around Creswell
366
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,040
{\an8}and the centre of the investigation.
367
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,159
Namely Hayley Rob, Jill Robinson,
368
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,719
and Rose De Montmorency-Wright.
369
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,440
Rose shared a bedroom with Katie.
370
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,879
So, we start to look at evidence -
371
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,599
{\an8}if there is any evidence,
372
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,839
if they are more victim
than suspect -
373
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,640
but we keep an open mind.
374
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,359
I got a call that Christina and
Hayley wanted to see me.
375
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,079
With Creswell in custody,
they wanted to come forward
376
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,999
and provide the police
with information
377
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,200
they felt was relevant.
378
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,919
My impression of Hayley was
someone who was vulnerable,
379
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,959
but what she was telling me
was a shocking story.
380
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,719
She was also in
a relationship with Johnny.
381
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,399
This was... baffling to me.
382
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,000
But telling me how Johnny had
hit her in the past...
383
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,000
...how he's abusive to her.
384
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,079
You just got the sense from Hayley
385
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,400
that she was totally under
this guy's control...
386
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,160
...and that she would do anything
that this guy asked.
387
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,159
Christina, Jonathan's partner,
388
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,239
then started to divulge
what happened.
389
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,079
Johnny took the women in a car
down near the bridge in Derry.
390
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,279
Said he was going to say Katie
had fallen from a horse,
391
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,399
because he'd given her
a beating the night before.
392
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,279
This now meant that Rose De Mont,
Jill Robinson, and Hayley
393
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,799
was withholding information
394
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,159
and perverting the course
of justice.
395
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,399
Rose De Mont admitted
that Johnny had told her
396
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,960
that he had beaten Katie
the night before.
397
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,679
I said, "Why did you not
tell police this?"
398
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840
She said,
"I wanted to have his back."
399
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,599
And I never forget her saying
that in the interview,
400
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,479
"I wanted to have his back."
401
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,879
The uniformed officers
got CCTV footage
402
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,400
from the house next door.
403
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,079
Why, on the CCTV, was Hayley's car
404
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,999
and Creswell's car coming
back at the same time,
405
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,279
to 86 Gortnessy Meadows,
406
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,399
after Katie was put
in the ambulance?
407
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,839
One of the most significant
things at that point is
408
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,599
he gives the police
the wrong address.
409
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,680
And this was telling for
obvious reasons.
410
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,199
He needed to clean up the scene
of what faced him,
411
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,880
and what would have faced police.
412
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,759
I just asked Hayley,
"Had you arranged to come in at
413
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,879
"the same time as Johnny?"
414
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,399
And she goes, "Yeah, he rang me
to meet me somewhere."
415
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,000
They met at a junction, and he said,
"Follow me back to the house."
416
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,159
Johnny stripped off his clothes,
417
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,999
said he needed to have
a cold shower,
418
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,679
because he couldn't have the steam
in the house if the police came.
419
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,999
He told Hayley to put
his clothes in a bag,
420
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,159
and to clean blood from the stairs.
421
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,079
I showed her the footage of
her leaving the house
422
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,479
and carrying a bag, and placing it
in the boot of her car.
423
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,079
And I said, "What's in the bag?"
424
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,160
And she goes,
"That's Johnny's clothes."
425
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,359
She wanted to tell the police,
426
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,719
but I think it was more out
of fear she couldn't.
427
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,919
Not just from Johnny,
but from who was around her -
428
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,999
other people who were probably
putting her under pressure,
429
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,360
such as Jill Robinson.
430
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,959
Jill Robinson was an ex-girlfriend
of Jonathan Creswell.
431
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,279
She's slightly older,
and she continued to keep
432
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,640
her relationship with him.
433
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,359
She goes with Hayley
from Derry back to Omagh,
434
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,119
which is about 40 miles,
to wash the clothes.
435
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,079
Why take the clothes all the way
from Derry 40 miles to
436
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,839
another laundrette
to get them washed?
437
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,319
I can't imagine any circumstances
438
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,759
{\an8}where someone would ask me
to go and wash clothes
439
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,880
after a friend was covered
in bruises from head to toe.
440
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,359
We've arranged to bring
Jill Robinson into custody.
441
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,599
Jill maintained that
she had done nothing wrong.
442
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,919
She accepted that she had taken
these clothes to get them cleaned.
443
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,359
"That's what I would normally do
for Jonathan."
444
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,679
I believe that Jill Robinson
protected Jonathan Creswell.
445
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,120
She particularly liked him.
446
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,519
One of the other strands
of evidence against Jill Robinson
447
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,119
was that she had deleted
messages on her phone
448
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,879
the date that Katie went
into hospital.
449
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,839
The reason that she gave
for deleting them was that
450
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,399
it was to free up storage
on her phone.
451
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,799
However, there were messages
on the 3rd of August
452
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,159
to other people which she had kept.
453
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,319
There's a distinct difference
between two sets of women
454
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,520
in this investigation.
455
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,279
Both Jill and Rose,
on countless occasions, were asked,
456
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,839
"Are you under control?
457
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,239
"Are you in fear of
Jonathan Creswell?"
458
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,959
"No. No, never."
459
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,640
They were never in fear
of Jonathon Creswell.
460
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,480
After Katie had died,
Rose went to live with Jill.
461
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,479
And I find that speaks volumes.
462
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,239
That you've these two women,
463
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,199
who I believe were not controlled
by Jonathan Creswell,
464
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,159
were not scared
of Jonathan Creswell,
465
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,440
end up living together.
466
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,599
A file was sent to the PPS.
467
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,239
The PPS made the decision
to prosecute Hayley,
468
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,319
Jill, and Rose for their actions
469
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,320
after Katie had gone into hospital.
470
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,879
The evidence against
Creswell was overwhelming.
471
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,559
The senior prosecutor just put
his hands up and said,
472
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,879
"OK, you can charge him."
473
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,959
I couldn't believe it
when they said yes.
474
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,880
You just can't believe
you've done it.
475
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,279
I read out the charge, did he have
anything to say after the caution?
476
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,480
And he said, "No."
477
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,719
The public prosecution service
had agreed with me that
478
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,920
they believed Jonathan Creswell
had killed Katie Simpson.
479
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,440
But then, he tried to get bail.
480
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,000
The defence barristers were trying
to say this wasn't murder.
481
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,919
It was a largely
circumstantial case,
482
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,799
and it is very difficult
to keep somebody in custody
483
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,439
on a strong murder charge,
484
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760
let alone even
a circumstantial case.
485
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,799
Due to the amount of witnesses
that we need to protect,
486
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,719
and victims we need to protect,
487
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,800
we were gravely concerned when
Jonathan Creswell got bail.
488
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,279
It was such a shock.
489
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,319
Christina was living in my house,
490
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,680
so he was let out of prison.
491
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,439
And my niece had to take
two young children and flee,
492
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,159
and move to Armagh.
493
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,519
{\an8}Why does the woman that
has been abused
494
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,360
{\an8}have to get up and leave?
495
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,879
Jonathan now would have been free
to further intimidate
496
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,199
the females that he was controlling,
497
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,360
and conceal or damage
any other evidence.
498
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,759
Jonathan kind of turned against me.
499
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,119
He rang me.
500
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,959
He was just calling me
everything underneath the sun.
501
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,519
And I just kept saying, like,
"What's this about?" You know?
502
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,879
{\an8}He just kept telling me to shut
my fucking mouth, you know?
503
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,319
That was the word
he just kept repeating,
504
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,800
and I didn't do nothing wrong.
505
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,119
We were trying to get
Johnny's movements restricted
506
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,959
to certain counties.
507
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,919
The fact that Johnny was still out,
508
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,480
we had a real concern.
509
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,639
I was in my local supermarket,
and I was walking round
510
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,760
and bumped into him.
511
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,999
I don't think he recognised me
right away and he says,
512
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,759
"Oh, I'm sorry," and I says,
513
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,280
"Well, you will be sorry, cos -
you murdering bastard."
514
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,879
He was so arrogant, in a way,
515
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,519
where he looked me straight
in the eye and said
516
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320
"I never done anything wrong."
517
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,679
He walked off shouting at me.
518
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,960
I could hardly drive home,
I was just shaking.
519
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,719
With him being let out on bail,
520
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,279
I think they need to look at
521
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,039
how it affects the family,
the victims.
522
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Why let him out?
523
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,639
{\an8}On the first day of the trial,
524
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,200
{\an8}Katie's family were all there.
525
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,799
And it was a sort of
anxious feeling of,
526
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,279
"Are we ready, as a family,
to go through all this?
527
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,159
"To listen to all this?"
528
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,919
You just had to be strong and do it,
and just keeping in your mind
529
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,559
{\an8}that this was all for Katie,
530
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,639
{\an8}all to get him sentenced
the right way,
531
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,720
and do everything right by the law.
532
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,759
From the moment I saw that article,
533
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480
my life has been laser-focused
on this child.
534
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,719
{\an8}The past few years
since 2021 have been
535
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,400
like living in a horror movie.
536
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Just waiting for... answers.
537
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,279
I wanted validation that what
he did to me was wrong as well.
538
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,879
I was hoping and hoping,
and hoping that some other woman
539
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,279
was going to come out and say,
540
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,319
"Actually, this happened
to me, as well."
541
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,279
The only people who could
really understand why I was
542
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,799
so focused on it, and why I was
wishing for justice so hard
543
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,480
were the likes of James.
544
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,719
It's a tense day,
as what's going to happen.
545
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,559
It was the culmination of
a significant amount of work
546
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,119
by the major investigation team
over a number of years.
547
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,119
When he arrived,
he did not look like a man
548
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,559
who has been accused of murder.
549
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,360
Never looked at anybody,
not a worry in the world.
550
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,919
What's his defence angle
going to be?
551
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,240
What's his story?
552
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,280
I was aware his barristers
were urging him to plead guilty.
553
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,519
He had continued
to protest his innocence
554
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,760
{\an8}when he was not for entering
a plea bargain or pleading guilty.
555
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,319
At the start of the trial,
556
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Jonathan Creswell pleaded
not guilty.
557
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,599
{\an8}On the first day, when you heard all
the evidence being read out,
558
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,840
it was tough to listen to.
559
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,159
We now had the upper hand,
560
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,359
and he had no control over
what's going to happen
561
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,999
over the next number of weeks.
562
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,079
The prosecution said
on day one of that trial
563
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,199
that Katie was murdered after
Creswell flew into a jealous rage
564
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,280
and beat her to death.
565
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,079
In a nutshell,
the evidence that we had
566
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,720
against Creswell was overwhelming.
567
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,879
The cover-up that happened,
he changed his clothes,
568
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,040
had a shower...
569
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,000
...got somebody to clean the blood,
got his clothes washed...
570
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,079
...turning the phone onto
flight mode,
571
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,720
as he's pretending to do CPR.
572
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
The hiding of Katie's phone.
573
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:17,439
The very important evidence of the
drawing of the inside of the stairs
574
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,879
where it couldn't have happened in
the way that he had suggested.
575
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,880
That was pivotal.
576
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,119
And also, the witness statements
577
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,760
{\an8}from people who'd been involved,
who'd been around.
578
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,959
I was wishing that this trial was
going to see justice for Abby,
579
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,639
for Katie, for any woman or child
580
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,559
who has been at the hands of Johnny
581
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,399
that didn't speak out.
582
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,639
He was so confident.
583
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,559
Nobody left that court that day
thinking he was innocent.
584
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,879
And Johnny left
the court that day...
585
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080
...knowing that he wasn't
going to beat this.
586
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,479
I was asked to go and
give evidence on day two.
587
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Which was terrifying.
588
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,199
{\an8}You don't know what's
going to happen.
589
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,479
{\an8}And, like, you get there
that morning and...
590
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,439
...everybody's there,
591
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,039
the cameras, the photographers.
592
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,079
We travelled to the court.
593
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,039
When we arrived in,
we went into the relative's room,
594
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,719
and Katie's mother was crying.
595
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,839
She was upset.
596
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,119
I got a call from a police officer,
and her words were,
597
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,079
"Have you heard what's happened
to Johnny Creswell?"
598
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,319
One of the officers came in
and told us that
599
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,920
he had took his own life.
600
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,799
The courts took that chance
and let an abuser,
601
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,879
a paedophile,
a murderer, out on bail.
602
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,880
And I was fucking angry.
Erm, really angry.
603
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,559
We've, as a family, felt it was
604
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,519
just one let down after the other.
605
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,199
I believe the judge
should have kept him in after
606
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,120
our opening statement that day.
607
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,479
Why was he not supervised,
or why was he not held
608
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,919
until this was over, you know?
609
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,399
We know that he left quite
a lengthy suicide note.
610
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,719
The details of that
have not been made public.
611
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,599
I believe Creswell hung himself.
612
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,199
And the one thing I would like
to see is his suicide note.
613
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,040
I would like to see what
he wrote in it.
614
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,159
I felt sick.
615
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,360
Must've cried for about
an hour long.
616
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,719
Because the fucking coward...
ruined our chance of justice.
617
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,879
It was probably one of the most...
618
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,839
...devastating days for everybody.
619
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,359
Everybody involved.
620
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,079
And some people say
they're happy that he's gone,
621
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,439
and they're glad he did it,
622
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,200
and they're glad he's dead.
But...
623
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,599
...not for us.
624
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,359
Not for the people who got hurt.
625
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,479
Not for us,
who never got the justice.
626
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,999
Everybody was robbed
by this bastard.
627
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,599
You know, there was no end,
and it just came to a stop.
628
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,600
There was no closure.
629
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,679
He needed control, and, as we see in
630
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,720
{\an8}his relationship with Katie,
he had lost control.
631
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,479
He had lost absolutely everything.
632
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839
The fact is that maybe
that was always his intention.
633
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,879
You know, finally, Katie was
going to get her story
634
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,880
put into the public.
635
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,359
The motive for Katie's death
was jealousy.
636
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,279
I think Creswell was
a very jealous, manipulative,
637
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,399
vindictive individual who struck out
when he didn't get his way.
638
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,319
Katie was a victim.
639
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,559
When she went against what
Jonathan Creswell wanted,
640
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,439
and decided to try and make a life
of her own with somebody else,
641
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080
she was punished - and punished
very severely for it.
642
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,199
The case closed - however,
all the women who pleaded guilty
643
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,759
to perverting the course of justice
and withholding information,
644
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,280
their sentencing had to be done.
645
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,519
{\an8}Jill Robinson was given
a custodial sentence of 16 months
646
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,559
{\an8}for perverting a course of justice,
647
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,559
{\an8}which was suspended for two years.
648
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,959
{\an8}Rose De Montmorency-Wright pleaded
guilty to withholding information,
649
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,199
{\an8}and she was sentenced
to eight months,
650
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,560
{\an8}suspended for two years.
651
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,519
{\an8}Hayley Robb was given
a custodial sentence of two years
652
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,999
{\an8}for perverting the course
of justice,
653
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,039
{\an8}which was suspended for two years,
654
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,039
{\an8}and she was given 12 months for
withholding information,
655
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,000
{\an8}which was also suspended
for two years.
656
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,400
They all got a suspended sentence.
657
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,479
He had got away
by murdering himself.
658
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,359
Now these three women were
standing in court.
659
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,600
They protected him.
660
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,839
And that was our last straw.
661
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,999
Should two of those women have
walked out of the court?
662
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,280
I don't think so.
663
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,199
This was a challenging case.
664
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,399
It was a team effort from a lot of
people who were all interested
665
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,080
in showing exactly
what Jonathan Creswell was.
666
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,079
James Brannigan sought
to fight for the truth,
667
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,719
{\an8}because he was an honest copper -
668
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,359
{\an8}and I hope that doesn't sound
too crass a term,
669
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,719
or flippant.
670
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,359
But he had a conscience
about his work.
671
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,439
He took his work seriously,
672
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,759
and from the moment he was first
engaged in the case,
673
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,039
he knew it was a murder.
674
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,199
He did everything in his power
that he could to rectify that
675
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,879
and remedy the case,
and put it back on track.
676
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,319
I would like to think that some good
has come from our investigation,
677
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,319
and that there is
an element of closure -
678
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,879
albeit Katie's family never got
to see Creswell face the music,
679
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,559
with regard to how he behaved and
what he had done to Katie.
680
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,959
But I would like to think that it
has shone a light on some behaviours
681
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,919
within the horse riding industry,
682
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,639
and that perhaps the next person
who behaves as Creswell did
683
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,360
may be called out a lot sooner.
684
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,839
If this happened -
if I got that phone call on
685
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,719
the 11th of August this year,
686
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,920
I'd do the same again.
687
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,359
You were the first person
to ever phone from the police
688
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,359
the whole organisation.
Was I? yeah.
689
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,839
To ever phone any member
of the family.
690
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,799
On the phone that day, you said,
691
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,799
"How are yous?"
692
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,679
Like that was... unreal.
693
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,800
Nobody had asked how we were.
694
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,599
It's not a week goes by where we
don't talk about Katie in the yard,
695
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,879
like, and there's pictures of her up
in the cabin there and stuff.
696
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,359
{\an8}And, like every week you get away,
697
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,399
{\an8}we bought a horse,
we named her My Girl Katie,
698
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,840
and that was named after her.
699
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,759
{\an8}Yeah, it was Katie's life,
700
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,439
{\an8}and Katie had so much to give.
701
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,360
She had so much more.
702
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,679
Your fight for the truth is
because right is right,
703
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,279
and wrong is wrong.
704
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,079
You know, Katie doesn't
have a voice now.
705
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,559
The more awareness of abuse
and coercive control,
706
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,520
it needs to be talked about more.
707
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,599
If it helps somebody else...
708
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,760
...it's all worth it.
709
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,159
Maybe that's something, as I say,
the police in Derry need to look at.
710
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,119
You know, why did it take
a team from a different district
711
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,119
to come in and do their job?
712
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,279
There's so much evidence here.
713
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,239
The shocking thing I think about -
714
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,919
all that evidence was available
on the 9th of August. Yeah.
715
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,479
And it was all...
there for them on that day. Yeah.
716
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,160
There were so many red flags.
717
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Why did they miss all that?
718
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,479
The Chief Constable John Butcher
rightly confirmed that the PSNI
719
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
had failed the Simpson family.
720
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,639
In the aftermath of the release
of the Police Ombudsman's report,
721
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,839
he was rightly critical of
722
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,440
the previous policing
decision-making in this case.
723
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,160
The policing investigation let
the Simpson family down badly.
724
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,439
But there has been blame attached
to the equestrian world,
725
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,039
and I have to agree with that.
726
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,359
Jonathan Creswell was given
free rein to access
727
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,720
young girls through ponies.
728
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:59,959
When I checked through to see
what statements were made by anyone
729
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:02,879
in any position of authority
within the equestrian world
730
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,039
to call out what happened here,
731
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,719
with the notable exception
of one or two persons,
732
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,640
otherwise, the equestrian
world has been silent.
733
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,959
Well, I commend James Brannigan
for his efforts.
734
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,359
From a policing perspective,
735
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,479
he stuck his head above the parapet
- and he paid a price for that.
736
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,919
I just think the police force
have lost a good man,
737
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,920
a good detective.
738
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,519
Over the course of my career,
739
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,359
I've received a number
of threats against my life.
740
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,919
Doing this case has changed my life,
it's changed my career.
741
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,840
I've had to leave the job
I love so much.
742
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,839
I've found it very hard
to forget about this,
743
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,680
and how it affected me in the job.
744
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,919
Both inside and outside the police,
745
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,879
James Brannigan continues to fight
for the Simpson family.
746
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,799
I want to have some legacy from
what's happened to Katie -
747
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,719
and in that, I'm setting up
a charity which is going
748
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,480
to focus on hidden homicides.
749
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,639
What it's going to do is,
for families who find themselves
750
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,239
in the same position as us,
751
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,599
even if it's just one member
of the family feels
752
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,359
that it's not suicide,
it may not be.
753
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,719
What they'll do is
they'll go to the charity,
754
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,240
and the charity will direct them
on the right path.
755
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,359
James, I just can't
thank you enough.
756
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,359
And that's from the bottom
of our heart.
757
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,279
I'm just glad for you and...
the rest of family that
758
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,079
you know Katie didn't kill herself.
759
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,280
That's it. Yeah.
760
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,240
Thank you.
SHE CHUCKLES TEARFULLY
761
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,759
People need to know
what happened to Katie.
762
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,319
People need to know what to do
763
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,079
if their loved ones are in
this situation.
764
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,239
People need to know what to do
if they feel police aren't acting,
765
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,840
and make sure this never happens
again to any other person.
766
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,199
That everything that Katie and
her family went through
767
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,400
isn't in vain.
768
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,880
This is worth doing.
769
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,439
I'd like Katie to be remembered
as a beautiful daughter,
770
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,960
a beautiful sister,
a beautiful granddaughter, niece.
771
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,800
She was full of fun,
full of devilment...
772
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,960
...and just a beautiful,
beautiful girl. Mm-hm.
773
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,720
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