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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,479 This programme contains strong language and discussions of suicide 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,519 Katie Simpson, aged 21, arrived on her own in an ambulance, 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,600 having attempted to take her own life. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,880 We were just hoping Katie was going to pull through. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,920 There was a view from policing that this was a suicide. 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,479 Katie Simpson was known as a fantastic rider. 7 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:36,999 All her friends were also connected to that horsey and equestrian word. 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,799 She always looked with a smile on her face. 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,279 She had everything to live for. 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,159 There were some who realised this was not as it seemed. 11 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,959 Something that was going on in her life that she had to keep a secret. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,559 I looked at some of the information that was available on suicides. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,639 Katie Simpson didn't fit the profile. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,279 There was a definite orchestrated campaign 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,880 to make sure that I couldn't investigate this. 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,479 It became most intense where I got a call to tell me, 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,519 "You're just trying to turn a suicide into murder. 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,759 "You're trying to make a name for yourself. You're a disgrace." 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,039 Every corner you turn, there's a big, flashing red flag 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,759 that this has been a murder, 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,239 and yet they continue to treat it as a suicide. 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,519 I had to find answers. 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,720 What has happened to Katie? 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,919 I remember when Katie was born, you know... 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,239 ...she was a beautiful wee baby, you know, like all babies, but... 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,600 ...she was, she was beautiful. 27 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,039 Katie Simpson was born in Armagh, in Middletown. 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,119 Her mother was Noeleen, father Jason. 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,039 She had an older sister, Christina, 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,439 and Rebecca, the other older sister. 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,279 She had a younger brother also. 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,439 They were all very close. 33 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,039 Loved going to the beach with her family 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,919 and surfing and things like that, 35 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,120 and carrying on in the water, in the sea. 36 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,119 The pictures and the images that we have of Katie 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,839 show that she was happiest when she was around horses 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,240 and that was the one great love of her life. 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,279 She was a really, really good show-jumper 40 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,720 and had a fantastic career ahead of her. 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,039 Katie, she was like a daredevil, you know? 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,519 Fearless. 43 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,480 She would have jumped any jump. 44 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,679 Wouldn't have mattered to her, she'd give it a go, 45 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,720 and just loved being near the horses. 46 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,959 Katie was a young woman full of hope for the future. 47 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,519 A good friend to many people who loved her 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,279 within that horsey circle. 49 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,439 She comes across as an infectious, 50 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,119 very, very loving person, trusting person. 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,720 She had so much to offer life. 52 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,679 It was a Monday morning, we were just in the house 53 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,039 and having breakfast... PHONE RINGS 54 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,759 ...and I got a phone call, which was very early, 55 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,039 so I thought, "What's wrong?" 56 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,039 So I answered and it was Daddy on the phone 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,759 telling me that Katie had apparently done something to herself, 58 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,759 and I said, "What do you mean?", and he says, "I don't know, 59 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,079 "but I think she's done something to harm herself 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,240 "and she's in the hospital now." 61 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,720 POLICE SIREN 62 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,679 Katie Simpson, aged 21, arrived on her own in an ambulance 63 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,440 at Altnagelvin Hospital, having attempted to take her own life. 64 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,360 Like, how could Katie have done this? I just didn't believe it. 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,319 On the 3rd of August, Katie had been found by Jonathan Creswell 66 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,000 and taken to hospital. 67 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,400 He had found his young sister-in-law hanging. 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,719 So me and my daughter went to the hospital... 69 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,880 ...and met Christina, my niece - Katie's sister. 70 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,519 She was just standing outside crying and everyone just hugged and I says, 71 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,000 "What happened?", and she says, "I don't know. She's hung herself." 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,359 I knew the police were there, but I didn't know that much at that stage. 73 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,320 You know, they were still working with Katie at that time. 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,319 Katie lived with her sister, Christina, 75 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,480 and Christina's partner at the time, Jonathan Creswell. 76 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,679 Creswell was in a relationship with Christina Simpson, Katie's sister, 77 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,440 and he had children to her and they all lived under the same house. 78 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,519 Creswell was very well known within the equestrian circle. 79 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,759 He was someone who was known on both sides of the Irish border 80 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,640 and even further afield. 81 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,519 When I was at shows and competitions, 82 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,519 it was usually Katie riding 83 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,279 and Jonny would have been warming her up, 84 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:39,240 and he was praising her and getting her ready to go into the ring. 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,239 Katie was Jonathan's protege. 86 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Jonathan was looking after her, 87 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:49,079 preparing her for a career as a jockey. 88 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,720 Teaching her. 89 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,919 We're here at Altnagelvin Hospital in Derry, 90 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,519 where Katie has been taken by the paramedics. 91 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,759 She's gone straight into A&E, 92 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,439 where they've worked on her in A&E before moving her quickly to ICU 93 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,199 because of the condition she was in. 94 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,719 My sister does believe that Katie was trying to tell her something 95 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,439 in the hospital. 96 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,440 My sister could feel it coming from her body. 97 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,679 We were all sitting in the relatives' room. 98 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,160 But the thing was, all the police just left. 99 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,919 Uniformed officers do not think there's anything untoward. 100 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,680 It's a young girl that has attempted to commit suicide. 101 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,839 It was so hard sitting outside the door, 102 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:42,080 feeling useless and helpless. 103 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 The facts was, Katie was lying in there in a coma. 104 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,439 It must have been shocking for the family. 105 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,679 You know, the last time they saw Katie 106 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,279 is jumping at a showjumping event in Lurgan, 107 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,199 to suddenly lying in a hospital, hooked up to a life support machine, 108 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,480 and not being able to breathe for herself or sustain life. 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,519 It was hard just saying, "Come on, Katie, wake up", 110 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,759 and, you know, "We miss you", and, you know, "They love you", 111 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,000 and, "We all love you", and... 112 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,080 ..."Just wake up." 113 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,880 We were just hoping Katie was going to pull through. 114 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,000 Katie was in a very serious condition. 115 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,439 I think there was a specialist had come that Friday - 116 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,519 maybe a brain specialist. 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,000 I think they knew that it wouldn't be long. 118 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,519 After numerous efforts had been made by the doctors and nurses, 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Katie died on the 9th of August. 120 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,880 You just felt lost... 121 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,640 ...and I just felt... 122 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,880 ...so much for my sister. 123 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,560 For my parents to lose their grandchild. 124 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,800 It was just unimaginable. 125 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,480 It was just a sad atmosphere. Just sadness in the air with everyone. 126 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,439 The cause of death was lack of oxygen to the brain 127 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,320 and then brain failure due to a lack of oxygen. 128 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,519 A lot of people were just treating this as a really terrible tragedy, 129 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,279 you know, that a young woman had lost her life 130 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,240 in this way so suddenly. 131 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,639 There was a view from policing that this was a suicide. 132 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,600 That Katie Simpson had taken her own life. 133 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,200 MACHINES BEEP 134 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,119 The nurses, from the day she came in, 135 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,000 were concerned there was something more to this. 136 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,520 Some had raised concerns about her injuries. 137 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,359 They were concerned by the bruising 138 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,000 and the general state of Katie's body. 139 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,240 It was then the wee doubts. 140 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,519 Where I was asking, "Where's your phone?" 141 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Like, what teenager doesn't have her phone? 142 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,720 Where did it go? 143 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,279 A couple of days after, my partner had said to me, 144 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 "I don't know, there's something not right here." 145 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,399 Some people, maybe, in the family were, like, "Oh, my goodness, 146 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,200 "was she not happy?", and, "Why did we not see it?" 147 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,919 She always looked with a smile on her face and happy and cheerful. 148 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,879 Why did she not come and tell us that she was in bad form? 149 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,400 She never looked in bad form. Like, we could have done something here. 150 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,399 She was happy. 151 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,839 Nobody said that it's suicide, but nobody was saying it wasn't. 152 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,479 It's the sort of thing where you... 153 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,440 It's so delicate, you don't want to say. 154 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,600 PHONE RINGS 155 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,319 On Tuesday, the 11th of August, 156 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,999 I got a call, it was just after lunch, around half one. 157 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,999 This woman introduced herself, said she was a journalist 158 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,600 and had remembered me from the last murder trial I worked on. 159 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,719 And she started to go through how this young lady 160 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,880 had been found hanging by her sister's partner. 161 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,079 She said people were concerned her phone was missing, 162 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,720 her laptop was missing. 163 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,719 They couldn't understand it. 164 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,999 They couldn't make sense of why Katie would take her own life. 165 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,399 She'd bought a new pair of riding boots, 166 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,999 she was out socialising with her friends, 167 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,999 she had all these events coming up, 168 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,479 her sister was due to give birth soon. 169 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,559 The way she was living her life, 170 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,960 she had everything, literally, to live for. 171 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,960 I worked in Armagh in the Murder Investigation Team. 172 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,640 I rang the Derry Major Investigation Team that would be investigating it. 173 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,479 I said were they aware of this incident 174 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,719 where Katie Simpson was alleged to have been found hanging. 175 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,720 Her reply to me was, "Why are you looking at this? 176 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,439 "Can you not see that she hung herself last week? 177 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,999 "That's why we're not looking at it." 178 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,479 So when I saw this, I wanted to find out more information, 179 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,399 so I started looking at the police systems to see 180 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,280 what else I could find out about this incident. 181 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,239 This is the house where Jonathan Creswell, 182 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,800 Christina, Katie and Rose all lived together. 183 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,079 Rose de Montmorency-Wright, 184 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,999 who worked along with them in the equestrian industry. 185 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,639 She was an 18, 19-year-old at the time, 186 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,999 came from Newtownards, 187 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,960 living in a room with Katie Simpson. 188 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,639 Rose describes her relationship with Katie as good. 189 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,119 They were friends. 190 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,440 They shared a bedroom, they worked together. 191 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,200 It was a hard-working existence. 192 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,879 In this industry, there really isn't much money in it, 193 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,999 and you're working hand-to-mouth. 194 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,999 They were up early in the morning, out to train horses, 195 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,799 back in the afternoon, train horses in the evening. 196 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,479 It was long hours. 197 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,639 To the outsider, Christina and Katie appeared to be living 198 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,279 an idyllic life, 199 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,319 working with horses, 200 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,639 working in the outdoors, 201 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,440 in the fresh air, and a comfortable existence. 202 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,999 On the 3rd of August 2020, 203 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,639 Christina left first in the morning early to go to work. 204 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,079 When Christina left the house, she went into Katie's room, 205 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,799 saw Katie lying in the bed, didn't want to wake her. 206 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,239 Then Rose left, erm... 207 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,399 ...around half seven to go to work, 208 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,000 when she was meant to go to work with Katie. 209 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,360 Why she wasn't going to work, only Rose knows. 210 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,159 So, on the Monday morning, 211 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,639 Jonathan Creswell said that he got up, 212 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,640 got his kids ready, took them to his mother's... 213 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,479 ...and he was driving back to the house 214 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,519 where Katie was 215 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 and that he was on the phone to Hayley Robb. 216 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,999 Hayley Robb lived in Banbridge, 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,999 which is about 50, 60 miles away from Derry, 218 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,599 and she worked with Creswell. 219 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,879 Jonathan, on his way back from his mother, calls Hayley Robb, 220 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,999 and as he walked through the door, he shouts at Haley, 221 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,479 "Oh, no... Oh, no, Katie. No, Katie." 222 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,399 And then saying to Hayley that Katie's hung herself 223 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,839 and telling Hayley to call an ambulance. 224 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,960 Then the phone goes dead. 225 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,960 He goes in, sees Katie hanging from the banister. 226 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,799 He says he uses one hand to untie the clip on the strap, 227 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,079 get her down, get the strap from around her neck, 228 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,840 put her in the car. 229 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,479 We're on the Tirbracken Road, 230 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,680 which is a road that comes out of Gortnessy. 231 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,879 And this is the road where Creswell, 232 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,720 when he put Katie in the car, was travelling down. 233 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,999 He receives a call from Ambulance Control, 234 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,479 which tell him to pull in immediately, 235 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,999 to lay Katie flat and to begin CPR. 236 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,519 Ambulance Control remain on the phone, 237 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,240 giving him instructions until the paramedics arrive. 238 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,439 On this call, the Ambulance Service are asking him, "Is she breathing?", 239 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,999 and what to do, and you can hear Jonathan 240 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,200 perform CPR by going, "One, two, three, one, two, tree..." 241 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,680 The ambulance arrived and they took over. 242 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,999 They're trying to get a heart rhythm back. 243 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,879 They're working intensively on her. 244 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,719 They asked one of the police officers to drive the ambulance 245 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,999 because they needed to work on Katie in the back 246 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,879 and they needed to get her to the hospital as soon as they could. 247 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,960 They knew she was in a very bad state. 248 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,999 When the police arrived, 249 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,359 they put Creswell in the back of their police car. 250 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,999 The police officer asked him, 251 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,399 "What was your relationship with this girl?", 252 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,239 and he was saying it's his partner's sister, 253 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,680 he just came back and he found her hanging. 254 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,480 Police asked for the address. 255 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,879 He's confused, and he gives a different address 256 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,719 in Gortnessy Meadows. 257 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,360 SIREN 258 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Katie Simpson is placed in the back of the ambulance. 259 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,399 Police tell Jonathan Creswell to follow them. 260 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,999 The ambulance and police cars then leave 261 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,200 and travel towards the hospital. 262 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,879 The morning of the funeral, there was so many people on the streets 263 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,160 of Middletown and so many people coming out to pay their respects. 264 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,319 I think there was two or three car loads in all - 265 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,439 all the staff and everyone up together. 266 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,680 They're all sitting around her in coffin. 267 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,200 We all went together, in the yard. 268 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,879 She had horses there and you could just tell that she was 269 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600 loved by so many people. 270 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,199 That was really hard, 271 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,319 you know, to watch my sister bury her baby girl and... 272 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,160 So, so hard. 273 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Jonny Creswell, oh, he was, like, crying, 274 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,599 and his hands on his head 275 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,719 and "his Katie", like, 276 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,800 and, you know, "Lovely girl", "She's a lovely girl." 277 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,239 When I seen him distraught, I was, like, 278 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,239 well, yeah, they lived in the same house and things like that, 279 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,480 so I knew that would be natural - to be that upset. 280 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,479 He was sitting at the coffin and he's just rubbing 281 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,280 and petting her hair. 282 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,799 Jonny was one of the first people that you went and shook hands with 283 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,320 after Katie was buried. 284 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,439 A friend of ours had come down to the house 285 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,479 and voiced his concerns that he thought Jonny Creswell had 286 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,160 something to do with this - with Katie's death. 287 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,920 Paul Lusby is his name, and Paul was actually Jonathan Creswell's cousin. 288 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,079 Paul Lusby was involved in the horsey community in the Derry area. 289 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,479 He knew Katie, he knew Christina, 290 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,319 he knew all these individuals around the Derry Meadows area. 291 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,120 He knew himself that there was something suspicious about this. 292 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,680 He saw Creswell at the funeral, how he was acting. 293 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,440 Because it just didn't sit right with him either. 294 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,479 I felt I couldn't really say this to my sister 295 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,239 because she was in the middle of the worst nightmare of any parent. 296 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,400 And then for me to come and talk about... 297 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,639 Which could have been nonsense. 298 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,200 Erm, I wouldn't have done that to her. 299 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,319 We went into the police station 300 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,399 and just sort of were trying to say to them 301 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,440 we think maybe it wasn't suicide. 302 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,719 That maybe this man is dangerous 303 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,839 and he could harm somebody else. 304 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,999 They just had said to us at that stage, 305 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,360 if I remember right, that they would just pass it on. 306 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,999 From August, Katie was in the hospital. 307 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,599 We, as a family, the police have never come to us and spoke to us. 308 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,080 And then Anne and I got this first phone call... 309 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,960 ...and he introduced himself as James Brannigan. 310 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,639 The first thing he said is, "How are yous all?" 311 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,920 It just hit me, you know, like, "Wow. Somebody cares." 312 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,399 Somebody's asking a simple question like, "How are yous?" 313 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,000 Nobody official had ever asked that. 314 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,479 Paula was grateful that we were doing something about it. 315 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,960 We're going to investigate and we're going to get to the bottom of this. 316 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,479 When I started looking at this incident, 317 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,399 I was able to look at the log 318 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,039 of what investigation actions had taken place. 319 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,079 I was able to look at the autopsy photographs. 320 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,960 CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS 321 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,999 There was no ligature mark 322 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,600 and a small mark on the left side of her neck, a cut on her lip. 323 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,479 The pathologist, when I spoke to him, said that he had given 324 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,479 a cause of death as possible hanging 325 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,479 because of the information that he had. 326 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,999 During the autopsy, he asked police to ring the individual 327 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,999 who had found Katie, Jonathan Creswell. 328 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,239 If he had found Katie, he could say whether it was a self-hanging 329 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,960 or it was a strangulation. 330 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,999 As a result of this, the pathologist put the cause of death 331 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,079 as only possible hanging, 332 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,239 yet it's recorded on the police system as hanging 333 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,800 and there's nothing suspicious about the death. 334 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,559 The pathologist did not say that 335 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,160 and I don't know why somebody committed that to the log. 336 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,879 A detective was sent to the postmortem. 337 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,239 A detective will only usually be sent to a postmortem 338 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,479 if it's a suspicious death, 339 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,680 so was it suspicious or was it not suspicious? 340 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,199 Katie attended emergency departments on multiple occasions 341 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,479 over a two-year period 342 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,199 with some very, very serious injuries. 343 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,800 I believe on one occasion with a broken back. 344 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,839 But I also understand that Jonathan Creswell 345 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,360 also attended with her on each of those occasions. 346 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,759 Nurses told me how bizarre Creswell's behaviour was. 347 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,959 He was acting like he was Katie's partner 348 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,959 and they just felt uncomfortable 349 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 when Creswell was in and around Katie in the hospital. 350 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,199 All the nurses we spoke to remember this vividly, 351 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,199 of how Katie appeared. 352 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,199 The bruises, the lack of ligature mark, 353 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,959 the vaginal bleeding that didn't make sense to them 354 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,439 and the blood staining on her underwear. 355 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,359 They were physically upset because the impact this had on them. 356 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,519 I remember one nurse saying they still remember the bed she was in 357 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,959 in ICU. 358 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,959 The nurses carrying that guilt. 359 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,679 Like, "I knew there was something wrong, and nothing was done." 360 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,759 They literally did not wash Katie 361 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,039 because they're waiting for the forensic examination to take place, 362 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,000 waiting for the police to come in. 363 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,560 And they never arrived. 364 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,599 A nurse had rang me because she was a family friend. 365 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,920 I told her to go to talk to the detectives in Derry. 366 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,359 She told them everything. I was delighted. 367 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,439 I said, "Did you make a statement?", and she said, "No." 368 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,199 The detective she met told her she didn't need to make a statement. 369 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,279 This was really concerning. Why a detective is telling somebody 370 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,320 with this information that they didn't need to make a statement? 371 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 My senior officers, my team, 372 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,560 they were all flabbergasted that nothing was happening. 373 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,439 Even my Detective Chief Inspector said, in his own words, 374 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,839 "They're playing a dangerous game up there." 375 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,959 We just could not understand 376 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,400 why they were refusing to investigate. 377 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,760 It just didn't make sense. 378 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,839 I didn't know what else I could do at this point. 379 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,959 My own Chief Inspector told me that there was emails being circulated 380 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,959 in Derry that I was not to be included in any information 381 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400 in relation to the Katie Simpson incident. 382 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,479 I was receiving calls from officers 383 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,959 when I was looking to discuss practicalities 384 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,959 over things that had happened to Katie on the day. 385 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,279 This really angered me. 386 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,839 There was a definite orchestrated campaign 387 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,679 to make sure that I couldn't investigate this, 388 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,199 but who was behind it and who was controlling this, I didn't know, 389 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,720 and that was worrying. 390 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,560 And it kind of just drove me on. 391 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,799 It became most intense where I got a call to tell me, 392 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,679 "You're just trying to turn a suicide into murder. 393 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,920 "You're trying to make a name for yourself. 394 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,639 "You're a disgrace." 395 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,520 At that point, I just hung up. 396 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,440 Jonathan Creswell, to his friends, was known as Jonny. 397 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,279 You knew that Jonny Creswell had a lot of girls in friendship. 398 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,559 There was Rose and Katie. 399 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920 They were all about showjumping together. 400 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,119 Jonny really liked going to shows and then everybody was patting him 401 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,279 on the back and saying, "God, you have a great bunch of girls there", 402 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,240 you know, "They're great at what they do", and, "Lucky you." 403 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,959 He was in demand as a trainer and so people were actually 404 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,959 queuing up in order to try and get him to take on their children 405 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240 and to take on their young daughters who aspired to greatness. 406 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,199 He had a number of skills and he had competed. 407 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,480 His name mattered to people in the equestrian industries. 408 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,639 Really what he was doing was grooming them. 409 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,160 Creswell was in quite a powerful position. 410 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920 I first met Jonny at a horse show. 411 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,959 This was my very first experience as a groom. 412 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,079 He came into the arena 413 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,920 and immediately came over to my boss at the time. 414 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,999 When he was talking to my boss, you know, 415 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,199 he kept looking at me, he kept smiling, 416 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,199 he had, like, a twinkle in his eye. 417 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,199 I thought he had really nice blue eyes, which makes me feel sick, 418 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000 even thinking back to it now. 419 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,160 What happened between Jonny and I happened literally... 420 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,280 ...the same day I met him. 421 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,959 It must have been around... 422 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,920 ...between 12 and one or so, maybe a little earlier. 423 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,039 I was just texting on my phone 424 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,560 and I heard someone say my name and I looked up. 425 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,759 And it was Jonny. 426 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,439 I thought, "Jesus, this is great", like. 427 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,439 This apparently very, you know, good rider 428 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,439 is chatting away to me, 429 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359 and I'm just this wee girl, like, I'm at a horse show, 430 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,439 like, why is he chatting to me? 431 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,959 I said, "Right, I'm going to head back to the lorry now and go to bed. 432 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,199 "Up early in the morning", or whatever. 433 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Literally, we were just walking out. 434 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280 He was all, "Come this way." I said, "The lorry's down here." 435 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,240 He just took me around the side of the arena and he assaulted me. 436 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,959 Kissing me, touching me everywhere, 437 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,160 hands down in my pants, my boobs, everything. 438 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,439 I remember seeing loads of Facebook posts 439 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,120 from my mutual friends on Facebook. 440 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,959 "Rest in peace, Katie." 441 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,960 I was in total shock. 442 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,279 But somebody had posted their condolences for Katie 443 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,639 and in the post they said, 444 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,640 "My thoughts go out to Jonny and the family." 445 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160 But what the fuck had Jonny got to do with Katie? 446 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,359 Florentyna Anderson contacted me. 447 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,759 I remember talking to her and her describing 448 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,839 how Creswell had attacked her. 449 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040 It is about this physical control... 450 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,279 ...and power that he believes he has over women. 451 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,759 I just wanted to be accepted 452 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,959 in the horsey world at that age because it was my first show. 453 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520 It was my first chance at being a groom. 454 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,279 And I played it off like I wasn't affected, 455 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,679 like, by him just groping me everywhere, 456 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,279 and I just felt so gross. 457 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,199 You know, pure slobbery and being pressed up against 458 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920 and the feeling of his icky gut, and... 459 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920 I just wanted to not... 460 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,920 ...cause a scene because I didn't know him. 461 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,920 But, yeah, it's kind of like your lifetime bubble being burst... 462 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,959 ...and having to migrate your career path 463 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,279 and your mindset to a totally different direction, 464 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,200 which is quite hard when it's been your entire life. 465 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,279 Working with horses wasn't for me, 466 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560 and I don't work with horses any more. 467 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,439 Creswell had attacked her at Millstreet Show, 468 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,879 which is in Cork in the South of Ireland, in the Republic of Ireland. 469 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,759 As it was a different jurisdiction, a different country, 470 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640 we couldn't investigate it here. 471 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,800 I was on a mission to find out what had happened to Katie. 472 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,439 I went out and met a very close friend of Katie. 473 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,959 I spent a number of hours with them, and what they painted for me 474 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,639 was a shocking picture of how this individual, Jonathan Creswell, 475 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920 was controlling Katie Simpson. 476 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,680 They were explaining how Katie was this bubbly... 477 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,959 ...lovely young girl, up to mischief, just like a normal young girl, 478 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560 but as soon as Creswell turned up, her demeanour totally changed. 479 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,199 I was under no illusion leaving that house 480 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,359 that I had to find answers. 481 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,679 They weren't saying, "He's killed her", 482 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920 but, "What has happened to Katie?" 483 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,599 James Brannigan and I have worked together for a long time 484 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,759 and he had a number of suspicions about this case, 485 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,239 so we had a chat about what he believed at that time 486 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,959 were some of the issues surrounding this investigation. 487 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,679 I didn't give him my thoughts or opinions. 488 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240 I wanted him to look at it independently. 489 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,359 I do think that there were some within the PSNI 490 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,199 who realised that this was not as it seemed. 491 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,559 There was intelligence coming forward 492 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,359 to connect Jonathan Creswell to a previous conviction 493 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,199 for serious assault. 494 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680 That wasn't picked up on the police computer record system. 495 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,079 Instead, we were told that one officer found 496 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,199 a news article when he googled Creswell's name. 497 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640 Jonathan Creswell had a criminal record. 498 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,599 Every corner you turn, there's a big, flashing red flag. 499 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,199 And it was a serious attack 500 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,199 on his previous partner, Abigail Lyle. 501 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,680 This has been a murder and yet they continue to treat it as a suicide. 502 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,079 CHEERING 503 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,239 Abi Lyle was Creswell's partner. 504 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,559 She's a very famous show-jumper. 505 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,919 She's someone who had great success in the Olympics. 506 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000 He was physically abusive to her on numerous occasions. 507 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,639 I spoke to the domestic violence officer who had dealt with the case. 508 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,079 And to hear it from the police point of view of what this individual did 509 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,159 painted a shocking picture of who this individual was 510 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,040 and what he was capable of. 511 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,279 I watched the video that Abigail Lyle had done 512 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,639 where she was detailing the attack 513 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880 that Jonathan Creswell did on Abigail Lyle. 514 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,960 During this attack, she was dragged into a forest on one occasion... 515 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,799 ...beaten repeatedly. 516 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Jonathan was threatening to bury her in the forest. 517 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,639 On another occasion, he filled a bath full of bleach 518 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440 and threatened to put Abigail in the bleach. 519 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,039 When it came to court, he knew he was going to go to prison, 520 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,159 and if he pleaded guilty, the PPS then agreed to set 521 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,919 some of the charges aside, 522 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,919 or "left them on the books", as the term is called. 523 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,919 He spent, I believe, six months in prison 524 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360 for the assault on Abigail Lyle. 525 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,919 Creswell came out of prison, and when he came out of prison 526 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799 there was actually a party held in his honour to celebrate 527 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,719 his homecoming, and he just slotted back into his working life 528 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,200 as normal, as if none of this had ever happened. 529 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,239 He was so celebrated even then... 530 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,480 ...because of his persona. 531 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,120 He really gave off the impression that he could do no wrong. 532 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,919 "Poor me, poor me. This bad, bad woman put me in prison. 533 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,560 "I did nothing wrong." 534 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,399 He gave off this air and grace of sheer confidence 535 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,559 and that he was the best and that he could talk to anybody. 536 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,360 He could get a horse to do anything. 537 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,399 He continued to be revered, he continued to have access 538 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239 to very young women and there didn't seem to be any attempts 539 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,880 to try and stop him. 540 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,679 James Brannigan was concerned it wasn't being properly investigated. 541 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,159 He believed a major investigation team should be looking into it. 542 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,240 He had concerns that it wasn't receiving proper attention. 543 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,159 I looked at some of the information that was available on suicides 544 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,040 and Katie Simpson didn't fit the profile. There was no suicide note. 545 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,399 James and I discussed who we would want to speak to first. 546 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,039 But at that time they weren't calling it a murder. 547 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,720 We were just investigating the death of Katie Simpson. 548 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,239 We asked two detectives from the Major Investigation Team 549 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,559 and two detectives from CID in Derry to meet with Jonathan Creswell 550 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,880 and Christina Simpson on Monday night at half seven. 551 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,159 I'd made it perfectly clear to them that we needed two statements taken, 552 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160 one from Christina, one from Jonny. 553 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,919 When the officers spoke to Jonathan and Christina, they rang me back. 554 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,399 Christina gave an account to police 555 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,919 with regard to the living situation, who was in the house, 556 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,399 and gave us more background. 557 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,319 He just continued to tell the same version of events. 558 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,239 He claims that he went to drop his children off, and that when he 559 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,120 came back, he walked through the door and found Katie hanging. 560 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,880 Creswell also painted a picture that Katie was depressed. 561 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,799 Both Christina and Jonathan's version of events 562 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,319 were quite similar - 563 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,399 that they had been concerned for Katie over the last number of weeks. 564 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,919 She had been acting erratically 565 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,880 and believed that she was going to do something like commit suicide. 566 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,639 From the outset, one of the main questions 567 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880 we had to have answered was, "Where was Katie's phone?" 568 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,919 It would be of great value. It may have given information. 569 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,639 Had Katie been googling suicide? Who was she in contact? 570 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,240 If she was frightened. 571 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,919 Creswell put forward an idea that he initially wanted to lay her down 572 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600 in the back of the car and threw all the items out onto the road. 573 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,159 So I had spoken at length to paramedics and I'd asked them, 574 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239 "Was there any items thrown across the road or out of the car 575 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,160 "when you attended to Katie?", and they had said there wasn't. 576 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,919 Jonny had said to the officers that Katie's Find my iPhone 577 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,680 had been turned off. 578 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,639 Why would Jonathan, 579 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,599 the partner of Katie's sister, 580 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,639 want to know where Katie was located? 581 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,600 It just didn't make sense. 582 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,639 Jonathan Creswell would have been asked about his relationship 583 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,159 with Katie. 584 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,159 They said there was no relationship between the two. 585 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,840 Jonanthan Creswell is her brother-in-law. 586 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,079 What I was disturbed, or what concerned me, 587 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,400 when I spoke to these officers is that no statement had been taken. 588 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,919 Why were the police in Derry acting like this 589 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,519 and who had told these officers not to take a statement 590 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600 from Christina, from Jonny? 591 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,399 There was considerable institutional and hierarchical resistance 592 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,359 to a changed narrative on the Katie Simpson case. 593 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,159 SIREN 594 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,919 So when an officer comes forward and challenges senior officers 595 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,919 over their set views on things 596 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,519 and how an investigation has been proceeding, 597 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,959 that can create a lot of internal hostility, tensions, 598 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,799 and can create, I suppose, 599 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360 potentially, a level of dysfunctionality. 600 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,159 We wanted to speak to Rose de Montmorency-Wright, 601 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,759 who lived in the address. 602 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,120 We wanted to speak to Hayley Robb, who was a close friend of the group. 603 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,559 Hayley Robb said she was travelling from Banbridge, 604 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,719 was arranging to meet Jonathan Creswell to go and clip horses. 605 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:39,000 She is the person that contacted the Ambulance Service. 606 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,879 Jonathan rings Hayley and keeps her on the phone 607 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,639 for the whole journey back from his mother. 608 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,719 She explains to us that she didn't know why he was keeping her 609 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,640 on the phone as they were going to see each other very soon. 610 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,599 So Hayley calls an ambulance, 611 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,719 so our query is why did he not contact the Ambulance Service? 612 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,560 Why is this woman contacting the Ambulance Service? 613 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,639 The first suspicion was raised to me 614 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200 when Hayley Robb contacted the police. 615 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,159 Hayley told the police that a woman called Jill Robinson had rang her 616 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,039 to remind her to tell police that Katie had been trampled by a horse, 617 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,360 and this is where the bruises were meant to have come from. 618 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,919 Katie died from suicide, allegedly. 619 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,399 What has that got to do with her being trampled by a horse? 620 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,480 And why is this woman not telling the police herself? 621 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,959 Jill Robinson was an ex-girlfriend of Jonathan Creswell. 622 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,319 She's slightly older and was someone who was involved more in the sort of 623 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,719 training aspect of those horses and someone who, even when Creswell 624 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,399 was convicted of domestic violence against Abi Lyle, 625 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200 she continued to keep a relationship with him. 626 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,559 When I pulled up in the yard, I got out to talk to Jill and I said, 627 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,399 "I believe you saw Katie being trampled by a horse." 628 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,319 She says, "No, I never saw it but I know where it happened. 629 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,279 "I could see on the grass where she'd been trampled." 630 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,880 And I said, "Was there an imprint of Katie's face on the ground?" 631 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,360 Then she says, "Come over here"... 632 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,799 ...and takes myself and my colleague into a horse box and she goes, 633 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,520 "Look how tight it is in here. You could easily get bruises." 634 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,799 And I just turned around to her and said, 635 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,160 "Why are you trying to put bruises on Katie? She died from suicide." 636 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,599 She was very keen to promote a narrative 637 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,959 which included Katie getting injured by a horse. 638 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,959 We weren't convinced that that was how the injury occurred. 639 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,199 Chris Faloon had been a jockey and he worked with Katie. 640 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,999 I knew to contact Chris. 641 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,479 Chris told me she would never have fallen from a horse. 642 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,799 She's too good of a horsewoman. She wouldn't be trampled by a horse. 643 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,759 And he was so adamant about this, how foolish this could be, 644 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,639 but he said he would still find out, 645 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,199 and he rang his friends who were at the show in Lurgan 646 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,880 and he came back to me and said, "No, she never fell from a horse." 647 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,919 Part of Jonathan Creswell's demeanour 648 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,399 in terms of all of the women he engaged with, 649 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,159 he came across as a man who had a way with words, 650 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,120 and he used that to his advantage. 651 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,639 Creswell had a reputation as someone who was sexually inappropriate 652 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,280 with a lot of the young women who were in his charge. 653 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,319 There was a certain amount of unease in the Simpson family 654 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,600 when Creswell and Christina started being in a relationship. 655 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,799 My sister and Katie's dad, they tried everything 656 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,279 to get her away from him but, teenage girls, it's hard. 657 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,639 Jonathan Creswell had been convicted 658 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,120 in relation to domestic violence assaults on Abigail Lyle. 659 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,079 My understanding is that Jill Robinson took Christina 660 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080 up to prison to visit Jonathan Creswell. 661 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,399 Christina would have been a juvenile at the time, 662 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120 whereas Jonny was in his late teens, early 20s. 663 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,919 The view, I think, that was taken in the equestrian world, 664 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,399 that all of these women were just silly little girls 665 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,360 who gaggled around Creswell and that no-one really cared. 666 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,919 But in many cases they were being coerced 667 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,520 and threatened in violence and Katie was terrified of Creswell. 668 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,239 Katie had started a relationship with a man called Shane McCloskey, 669 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,159 who lived in Derry. 670 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,239 It's very strange to me that she felt that 671 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,239 she had to keep that quiet, that she had to keep it secret. 672 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,240 Katie contacted Shane and asked Shane to come down. 673 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,559 They both left in separate cars. 674 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,120 When Shane was driving through Omagh, he was seen by another woman. 675 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,559 And this chance meeting really lit the fuse. 676 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,120 Ultimately started a domino effect... 677 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,280 ...which ends in Katie's death. 678 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,919 OK. 679 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,520 Shane McCloskey interview, take one. 680 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,160 If one person got a sense we were launching murder investigation... 681 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,559 ...everybody would know about it. 682 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,799 Creswell thought he owned Katie as part of his property. 683 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120 What happened in the house that morning? 684 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,319 She was clearly in fear of Creswell finding out 685 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,640 that she had been in the company of another man. 686 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,759 He was just calling me everything underneath the sun. 687 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,800 Telling me to shut my fucking mouth. 688 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,559 I knew now the pressure was on. 689 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640 There's so much evidence here. 690 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,159 They protected him. 691 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,999 I was wishing to see justice for Katie. 692 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,839 This is it happening now and the clock is running. 693 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,039 We travelled to the court and Katie's mother was crying. 694 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,360 People need to know what happened to Katie. 695 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,720 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 59558

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