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This programme contains strong
language and discussions of suicide
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Katie Simpson, aged 21,
arrived on her own in an ambulance,
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having attempted
to take her own life.
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We were just hoping Katie
was going to pull through.
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There was a view from policing
that this was a suicide.
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Katie Simpson was known
as a fantastic rider.
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All her friends were also connected
to that horsey and equestrian word.
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She always looked with
a smile on her face.
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She had everything to live for.
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There were some who realised
this was not as it seemed.
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Something that was going on in her
life that she had to keep a secret.
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I looked at some of the information
that was available on suicides.
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Katie Simpson didn't fit
the profile.
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There was a definite
orchestrated campaign
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to make sure that I couldn't
investigate this.
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It became most intense
where I got a call to tell me,
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"You're just trying to turn
a suicide into murder.
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"You're trying to make a name
for yourself. You're a disgrace."
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Every corner you turn,
there's a big, flashing red flag
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that this has been a murder,
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and yet they continue
to treat it as a suicide.
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I had to find answers.
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What has happened to Katie?
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I remember when Katie was born,
you know...
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...she was a beautiful wee baby,
you know, like all babies, but...
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...she was, she was beautiful.
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Katie Simpson was born in Armagh,
in Middletown.
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Her mother was Noeleen,
father Jason.
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She had an older sister,
Christina,
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and Rebecca,
the other older sister.
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She had a younger brother also.
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They were all very close.
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Loved going to the beach
with her family
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and surfing and things like that,
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and carrying on in the water,
in the sea.
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The pictures and the images
that we have of Katie
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show that she was happiest
when she was around horses
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and that was the one great love
of her life.
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She was a really, really good
show-jumper
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and had a fantastic career
ahead of her.
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Katie, she was like a daredevil,
you know?
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Fearless.
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She would have jumped any jump.
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Wouldn't have mattered to her,
she'd give it a go,
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and just loved being
near the horses.
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Katie was a young woman
full of hope for the future.
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A good friend to many people
who loved her
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within that horsey circle.
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She comes across as an infectious,
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very, very loving person,
trusting person.
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She had so much to offer life.
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It was a Monday morning,
we were just in the house
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and having breakfast...
PHONE RINGS
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...and I got a phone call,
which was very early,
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so I thought, "What's wrong?"
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So I answered and it was Daddy
on the phone
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telling me that Katie had apparently
done something to herself,
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and I said, "What do you mean?",
and he says, "I don't know,
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"but I think she's done something
to harm herself
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"and she's in the hospital now."
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POLICE SIREN
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Katie Simpson, aged 21,
arrived on her own in an ambulance
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at Altnagelvin Hospital, having
attempted to take her own life.
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Like, how could Katie have done
this? I just didn't believe it.
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On the 3rd of August, Katie had
been found by Jonathan Creswell
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and taken to hospital.
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He had found his young
sister-in-law hanging.
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So me and my daughter
went to the hospital...
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...and met Christina, my niece -
Katie's sister.
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She was just standing outside crying
and everyone just hugged and I says,
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"What happened?", and she says,
"I don't know. She's hung herself."
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I knew the police were there, but I
didn't know that much at that stage.
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You know, they were still working
with Katie at that time.
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Katie lived with her sister,
Christina,
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and Christina's partner at
the time, Jonathan Creswell.
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Creswell was in a relationship with
Christina Simpson, Katie's sister,
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and he had children to her and they
all lived under the same house.
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Creswell was very well known
within the equestrian circle.
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He was someone who was known on
both sides of the Irish border
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and even further afield.
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When I was at shows
and competitions,
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it was usually Katie riding
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and Jonny would have been
warming her up,
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and he was praising her and getting
her ready to go into the ring.
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Katie was Jonathan's protege.
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Jonathan was looking after her,
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preparing her for a career
as a jockey.
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Teaching her.
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We're here at Altnagelvin Hospital
in Derry,
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where Katie has been taken
by the paramedics.
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She's gone straight into A&E,
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where they've worked on her in A&E
before moving her quickly to ICU
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because of the condition
she was in.
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My sister does believe that Katie
was trying to tell her something
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in the hospital.
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My sister could feel it
coming from her body.
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We were all sitting in
the relatives' room.
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But the thing was,
all the police just left.
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Uniformed officers do not think
there's anything untoward.
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It's a young girl that has
attempted to commit suicide.
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It was so hard sitting
outside the door,
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feeling useless and helpless.
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The facts was, Katie was
lying in there in a coma.
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It must have been shocking
for the family.
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You know, the last time
they saw Katie
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is jumping at a showjumping event
in Lurgan,
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to suddenly lying in a hospital,
hooked up to a life support machine,
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and not being able to breathe
for herself or sustain life.
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It was hard just saying,
"Come on, Katie, wake up",
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and, you know, "We miss you",
and, you know, "They love you",
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and, "We all love you", and...
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..."Just wake up."
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We were just hoping Katie
was going to pull through.
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Katie was in a very serious
condition.
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I think there was a specialist
had come that Friday -
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maybe a brain specialist.
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I think they knew that
it wouldn't be long.
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After numerous efforts had been
made by the doctors and nurses,
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Katie died on the 9th of August.
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You just felt lost...
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...and I just felt...
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...so much for my sister.
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For my parents
to lose their grandchild.
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It was just unimaginable.
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It was just a sad atmosphere. Just
sadness in the air with everyone.
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The cause of death was
lack of oxygen to the brain
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and then brain failure
due to a lack of oxygen.
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A lot of people were just treating
this as a really terrible tragedy,
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you know, that a young woman
had lost her life
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in this way so suddenly.
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There was a view from policing
that this was a suicide.
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That Katie Simpson
had taken her own life.
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MACHINES BEEP
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The nurses,
from the day she came in,
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were concerned there was
something more to this.
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Some had raised concerns
about her injuries.
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They were concerned by the bruising
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and the general state
of Katie's body.
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It was then the wee doubts.
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Where I was asking,
"Where's your phone?"
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Like, what teenager
doesn't have her phone?
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Where did it go?
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A couple of days after,
my partner had said to me,
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"I don't know,
there's something not right here."
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Some people, maybe, in the family
were, like, "Oh, my goodness,
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"was she not happy?",
and, "Why did we not see it?"
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She always looked with a smile on
her face and happy and cheerful.
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Why did she not come and tell us
that she was in bad form?
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She never looked in bad form. Like,
we could have done something here.
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She was happy.
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Nobody said that it's suicide,
but nobody was saying it wasn't.
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It's the sort of thing where you...
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It's so delicate,
you don't want to say.
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PHONE RINGS
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On Tuesday, the 11th of August,
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I got a call, it was just
after lunch, around half one.
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This woman introduced herself,
said she was a journalist
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and had remembered me from
the last murder trial I worked on.
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And she started to go through
how this young lady
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had been found hanging
by her sister's partner.
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She said people were concerned
her phone was missing,
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her laptop was missing.
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They couldn't understand it.
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They couldn't make sense of why
Katie would take her own life.
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She'd bought a new pair
of riding boots,
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she was out socialising
with her friends,
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she had all these events coming up,
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her sister was due
to give birth soon.
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The way she was living her life,
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she had everything, literally,
to live for.
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I worked in Armagh
in the Murder Investigation Team.
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I rang the Derry Major Investigation
Team that would be investigating it.
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I said were they aware
of this incident
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where Katie Simpson was alleged
to have been found hanging.
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Her reply to me was,
"Why are you looking at this?
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"Can you not see that she
hung herself last week?
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"That's why we're not
looking at it."
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So when I saw this, I wanted
to find out more information,
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so I started looking at
the police systems to see
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what else I could find out
about this incident.
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This is the house where
Jonathan Creswell,
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Christina, Katie and Rose
all lived together.
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Rose de Montmorency-Wright,
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who worked along with them
in the equestrian industry.
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She was an 18, 19-year-old
at the time,
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came from Newtownards,
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living in a room with Katie Simpson.
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Rose describes her relationship
with Katie as good.
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They were friends.
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They shared a bedroom,
they worked together.
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It was a hard-working existence.
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In this industry, there really
isn't much money in it,
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and you're working hand-to-mouth.
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They were up early in the morning,
out to train horses,
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back in the afternoon,
train horses in the evening.
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It was long hours.
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To the outsider, Christina and Katie
appeared to be living
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an idyllic life,
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working with horses,
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working in the outdoors,
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in the fresh air,
and a comfortable existence.
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On the 3rd of August 2020,
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Christina left first in the morning
early to go to work.
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When Christina left the house,
she went into Katie's room,
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saw Katie lying in the bed,
didn't want to wake her.
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Then Rose left, erm...
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...around half seven to go to work,
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when she was meant to
go to work with Katie.
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Why she wasn't going to work,
only Rose knows.
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So, on the Monday morning,
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Jonathan Creswell said
that he got up,
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got his kids ready,
took them to his mother's...
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...and he was driving back
to the house
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where Katie was
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and that he was on the phone
to Hayley Robb.
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Hayley Robb lived in Banbridge,
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which is about 50, 60 miles away
from Derry,
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and she worked with Creswell.
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Jonathan, on his way back from
his mother, calls Hayley Robb,
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and as he walked through the door,
he shouts at Haley,
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"Oh, no... Oh, no, Katie.
No, Katie."
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And then saying to Hayley
that Katie's hung herself
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and telling Hayley
to call an ambulance.
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Then the phone goes dead.
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He goes in, sees Katie hanging
from the banister.
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He says he uses one hand
to untie the clip on the strap,
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get her down, get the strap
from around her neck,
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put her in the car.
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We're on the Tirbracken Road,
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which is a road that comes
out of Gortnessy.
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And this is the road where Creswell,
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when he put Katie in the car,
was travelling down.
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He receives a call
from Ambulance Control,
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which tell him to pull in
immediately,
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to lay Katie flat and to begin CPR.
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Ambulance Control
remain on the phone,
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giving him instructions
until the paramedics arrive.
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On this call, the Ambulance Service
are asking him, "Is she breathing?",
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and what to do,
and you can hear Jonathan
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perform CPR by going,
"One, two, three, one, two, tree..."
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The ambulance arrived
and they took over.
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They're trying to get
a heart rhythm back.
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They're working intensively on her.
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They asked one of the police
officers to drive the ambulance
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because they needed to work
on Katie in the back
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and they needed to get her to
the hospital as soon as they could.
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They knew she was in
a very bad state.
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When the police arrived,
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they put Creswell in the back
of their police car.
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The police officer asked him,
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"What was your relationship
with this girl?",
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and he was saying
it's his partner's sister,
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he just came back
and he found her hanging.
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Police asked for the address.
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He's confused, and he gives
a different address
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in Gortnessy Meadows.
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SIREN
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Katie Simpson is placed
in the back of the ambulance.
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Police tell Jonathan Creswell
to follow them.
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The ambulance and police cars
then leave
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and travel towards the hospital.
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The morning of the funeral, there
was so many people on the streets
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of Middletown and so many people
coming out to pay their respects.
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I think there was two or three
car loads in all -
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all the staff and everyone
up together.
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They're all sitting around her
in coffin.
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We all went together, in the yard.
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She had horses there and you
could just tell that she was
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loved by so many people.
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That was really hard,
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you know, to watch my sister
bury her baby girl and...
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So, so hard.
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Jonny Creswell,
oh, he was, like, crying,
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and his hands on his head
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and "his Katie", like,
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and, you know, "Lovely girl",
"She's a lovely girl."
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When I seen him distraught,
I was, like,
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well, yeah, they lived in the same
house and things like that,
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so I knew that would be natural -
to be that upset.
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He was sitting at the coffin
and he's just rubbing
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and petting her hair.
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Jonny was one of the first people
that you went and shook hands with
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after Katie was buried.
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A friend of ours had
come down to the house
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and voiced his concerns that
he thought Jonny Creswell had
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something to do with this -
with Katie's death.
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Paul Lusby is his name, and Paul was
actually Jonathan Creswell's cousin.
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Paul Lusby was involved in the
horsey community in the Derry area.
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He knew Katie, he knew Christina,
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he knew all these individuals
around the Derry Meadows area.
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He knew himself that there was
something suspicious about this.
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He saw Creswell at the funeral,
how he was acting.
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Because it just didn't sit right
with him either.
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I felt I couldn't really say this
to my sister
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because she was in the middle of
the worst nightmare of any parent.
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And then for me to come
and talk about...
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Which could have been nonsense.
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Erm, I wouldn't have done that
to her.
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We went into the police station
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and just sort of were
trying to say to them
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we think maybe it wasn't suicide.
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That maybe this man is dangerous
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and he could harm somebody else.
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They just had said
to us at that stage,
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if I remember right,
that they would just pass it on.
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From August,
Katie was in the hospital.
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We, as a family, the police have
never come to us and spoke to us.
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And then Anne and I got
this first phone call...
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...and he introduced himself
as James Brannigan.
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The first thing he said is,
"How are yous all?"
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It just hit me, you know,
like, "Wow. Somebody cares."
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Somebody's asking a simple question
like, "How are yous?"
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Nobody official had ever asked that.
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Paula was grateful that we were
doing something about it.
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We're going to investigate and we're
going to get to the bottom of this.
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When I started looking
at this incident,
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I was able to look at the log
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of what investigation actions
had taken place.
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I was able to look at
the autopsy photographs.
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CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS
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There was no ligature mark
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and a small mark on the left side
of her neck, a cut on her lip.
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The pathologist, when I spoke
to him, said that he had given
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a cause of death as possible hanging
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because of the information
that he had.
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During the autopsy, he asked
police to ring the individual
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who had found Katie,
Jonathan Creswell.
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If he had found Katie, he could say
whether it was a self-hanging
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or it was a strangulation.
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As a result of this, the pathologist
put the cause of death
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as only possible hanging,
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yet it's recorded on
the police system as hanging
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and there's nothing suspicious
about the death.
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The pathologist did not say that
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and I don't know why somebody
committed that to the log.
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A detective was sent
to the postmortem.
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A detective will only usually
be sent to a postmortem
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if it's a suspicious death,
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so was it suspicious
or was it not suspicious?
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Katie attended emergency departments
on multiple occasions
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over a two-year period
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with some very, very serious
injuries.
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I believe on one occasion
with a broken back.
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But I also understand
that Jonathan Creswell
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also attended with her
on each of those occasions.
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Nurses told me how bizarre
Creswell's behaviour was.
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He was acting like
he was Katie's partner
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and they just felt uncomfortable
349
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when Creswell was in and around
Katie in the hospital.
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All the nurses we spoke to
remember this vividly,
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of how Katie appeared.
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The bruises,
the lack of ligature mark,
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the vaginal bleeding
that didn't make sense to them
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and the blood staining
on her underwear.
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They were physically upset
because the impact this had on them.
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I remember one nurse saying they
still remember the bed she was in
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in ICU.
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The nurses carrying that guilt.
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Like, "I knew there was something
wrong, and nothing was done."
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They literally did not wash Katie
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because they're waiting for the
forensic examination to take place,
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waiting for the police to come in.
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And they never arrived.
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A nurse had rang me
because she was a family friend.
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I told her to go to talk
to the detectives in Derry.
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She told them everything.
I was delighted.
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00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,439
I said, "Did you make a statement?",
and she said, "No."
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00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,199
The detective she met told her she
didn't need to make a statement.
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This was really concerning.
Why a detective is telling somebody
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with this information that they
didn't need to make a statement?
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My senior officers, my team,
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they were all flabbergasted
that nothing was happening.
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Even my Detective Chief Inspector
said, in his own words,
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"They're playing a dangerous game
up there."
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We just could not understand
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why they were refusing
to investigate.
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00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,760
It just didn't make sense.
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00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,839
I didn't know what else
I could do at this point.
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My own Chief Inspector told me that
there was emails being circulated
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00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,959
in Derry that I was not to be
included in any information
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in relation to
the Katie Simpson incident.
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00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,479
I was receiving calls from officers
383
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,959
when I was looking to discuss
practicalities
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00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,959
over things that had happened
to Katie on the day.
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00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,279
This really angered me.
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00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,839
There was a definite
orchestrated campaign
387
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,679
to make sure that I couldn't
investigate this,
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00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,199
but who was behind it and who was
controlling this, I didn't know,
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00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,720
and that was worrying.
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And it kind of just drove me on.
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It became most intense
where I got a call to tell me,
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"You're just trying to turn
a suicide into murder.
393
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,920
"You're trying to make
a name for yourself.
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"You're a disgrace."
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00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,520
At that point, I just hung up.
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00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,440
Jonathan Creswell, to his friends,
was known as Jonny.
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00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,279
You knew that Jonny Creswell
had a lot of girls in friendship.
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00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,559
There was Rose and Katie.
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00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920
They were all about
showjumping together.
400
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,119
Jonny really liked going to shows
and then everybody was patting him
401
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,279
on the back and saying, "God, you
have a great bunch of girls there",
402
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,240
you know, "They're great at
what they do", and, "Lucky you."
403
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,959
He was in demand as a trainer
and so people were actually
404
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,959
queuing up in order to try and
get him to take on their children
405
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240
and to take on their young daughters
who aspired to greatness.
406
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,199
He had a number of skills
and he had competed.
407
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,480
His name mattered to people
in the equestrian industries.
408
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,639
Really what he was doing
was grooming them.
409
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,160
Creswell was in quite
a powerful position.
410
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
I first met Jonny at a horse show.
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00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,959
This was my very first experience
as a groom.
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He came into the arena
413
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and immediately came over
to my boss at the time.
414
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,999
When he was talking to my boss,
you know,
415
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he kept looking at me,
he kept smiling,
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00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,199
he had, like, a twinkle in his eye.
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00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,199
I thought he had really nice blue
eyes, which makes me feel sick,
418
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,000
even thinking back to it now.
419
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,160
What happened between Jonny and I
happened literally...
420
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,280
...the same day I met him.
421
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,959
It must have been around...
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00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,920
...between 12 and one or so,
maybe a little earlier.
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I was just texting on my phone
424
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,560
and I heard someone say my name
and I looked up.
425
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,759
And it was Jonny.
426
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,439
I thought,
"Jesus, this is great", like.
427
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,439
This apparently very,
you know, good rider
428
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,439
is chatting away to me,
429
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359
and I'm just this wee girl,
like, I'm at a horse show,
430
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,439
like, why is he chatting to me?
431
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,959
I said, "Right, I'm going to head
back to the lorry now and go to bed.
432
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,199
"Up early in the morning",
or whatever.
433
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Literally, we were just walking out.
434
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280
He was all, "Come this way."
I said, "The lorry's down here."
435
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,240
He just took me around the side
of the arena and he assaulted me.
436
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,959
Kissing me, touching me everywhere,
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00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,160
hands down in my pants,
my boobs, everything.
438
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,439
I remember seeing loads
of Facebook posts
439
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,120
from my mutual friends on Facebook.
440
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,959
"Rest in peace, Katie."
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00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,960
I was in total shock.
442
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,279
But somebody had posted their
condolences for Katie
443
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,639
and in the post they said,
444
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,640
"My thoughts go out to Jonny
and the family."
445
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160
But what the fuck had Jonny
got to do with Katie?
446
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,359
Florentyna Anderson contacted me.
447
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,759
I remember talking to her
and her describing
448
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,839
how Creswell had attacked her.
449
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040
It is about this physical control...
450
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,279
...and power that he believes
he has over women.
451
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,759
I just wanted to be accepted
452
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,959
in the horsey world at that age
because it was my first show.
453
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520
It was my first chance
at being a groom.
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00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,279
And I played it off like
I wasn't affected,
455
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,679
like, by him just groping me
everywhere,
456
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,279
and I just felt so gross.
457
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,199
You know, pure slobbery
and being pressed up against
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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,920
and the feeling of his icky gut,
and...
459
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,920
I just wanted to not...
460
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,920
...cause a scene
because I didn't know him.
461
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,920
But, yeah, it's kind of like
your lifetime bubble being burst...
462
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,959
...and having to migrate
your career path
463
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,279
and your mindset to
a totally different direction,
464
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,200
which is quite hard
when it's been your entire life.
465
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,279
Working with horses wasn't for me,
466
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560
and I don't work with horses
any more.
467
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,439
Creswell had attacked her
at Millstreet Show,
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00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,879
which is in Cork in the South of
Ireland, in the Republic of Ireland.
469
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,759
As it was a different jurisdiction,
a different country,
470
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
we couldn't investigate it here.
471
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,800
I was on a mission to find out
what had happened to Katie.
472
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,439
I went out and met
a very close friend of Katie.
473
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,959
I spent a number of hours with them,
and what they painted for me
474
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,639
was a shocking picture of how
this individual, Jonathan Creswell,
475
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920
was controlling Katie Simpson.
476
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,680
They were explaining how Katie
was this bubbly...
477
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,959
...lovely young girl, up to mischief,
just like a normal young girl,
478
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560
but as soon as Creswell turned up,
her demeanour totally changed.
479
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,199
I was under no illusion
leaving that house
480
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,359
that I had to find answers.
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00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,679
They weren't saying,
"He's killed her",
482
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920
but, "What has happened to Katie?"
483
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,599
James Brannigan and I have worked
together for a long time
484
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,759
and he had a number of suspicions
about this case,
485
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,239
so we had a chat about
what he believed at that time
486
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,959
were some of the issues
surrounding this investigation.
487
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,679
I didn't give him my thoughts
or opinions.
488
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
I wanted him to look at it
independently.
489
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,359
I do think that there were some
within the PSNI
490
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,199
who realised that this
was not as it seemed.
491
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,559
There was intelligence
coming forward
492
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,359
to connect Jonathan Creswell
to a previous conviction
493
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,199
for serious assault.
494
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680
That wasn't picked up on
the police computer record system.
495
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,079
Instead, we were told
that one officer found
496
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,199
a news article when he googled
Creswell's name.
497
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Jonathan Creswell
had a criminal record.
498
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,599
Every corner you turn,
there's a big, flashing red flag.
499
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,199
And it was a serious attack
500
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,199
on his previous partner,
Abigail Lyle.
501
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,680
This has been a murder and yet they
continue to treat it as a suicide.
502
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,079
CHEERING
503
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,239
Abi Lyle was Creswell's partner.
504
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,559
She's a very famous show-jumper.
505
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,919
She's someone who had great success
in the Olympics.
506
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000
He was physically abusive to her
on numerous occasions.
507
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,639
I spoke to the domestic violence
officer who had dealt with the case.
508
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,079
And to hear it from the police point
of view of what this individual did
509
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,159
painted a shocking picture
of who this individual was
510
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,040
and what he was capable of.
511
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,279
I watched the video
that Abigail Lyle had done
512
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,639
where she was detailing the attack
513
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880
that Jonathan Creswell
did on Abigail Lyle.
514
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,960
During this attack, she was dragged
into a forest on one occasion...
515
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,799
...beaten repeatedly.
516
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600
Jonathan was threatening
to bury her in the forest.
517
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,639
On another occasion,
he filled a bath full of bleach
518
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,440
and threatened to put Abigail
in the bleach.
519
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,039
When it came to court, he knew
he was going to go to prison,
520
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,159
and if he pleaded guilty,
the PPS then agreed to set
521
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,919
some of the charges aside,
522
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,919
or "left them on the books",
as the term is called.
523
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,919
He spent, I believe,
six months in prison
524
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,360
for the assault on Abigail Lyle.
525
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,919
Creswell came out of prison,
and when he came out of prison
526
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,799
there was actually a party held
in his honour to celebrate
527
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,719
his homecoming, and he just
slotted back into his working life
528
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,200
as normal, as if none of this
had ever happened.
529
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,239
He was so celebrated even then...
530
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:47,480
...because of his persona.
531
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,120
He really gave off the impression
that he could do no wrong.
532
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,919
"Poor me, poor me. This bad,
bad woman put me in prison.
533
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,560
"I did nothing wrong."
534
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,399
He gave off this air and grace
of sheer confidence
535
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,559
and that he was the best
and that he could talk to anybody.
536
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,360
He could get a horse to do anything.
537
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,399
He continued to be revered,
he continued to have access
538
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239
to very young women and there
didn't seem to be any attempts
539
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,880
to try and stop him.
540
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,679
James Brannigan was concerned it
wasn't being properly investigated.
541
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,159
He believed a major investigation
team should be looking into it.
542
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,240
He had concerns that it wasn't
receiving proper attention.
543
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,159
I looked at some of the information
that was available on suicides
544
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,040
and Katie Simpson didn't fit the
profile. There was no suicide note.
545
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,399
James and I discussed who we
would want to speak to first.
546
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,039
But at that time
they weren't calling it a murder.
547
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,720
We were just investigating
the death of Katie Simpson.
548
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,239
We asked two detectives from
the Major Investigation Team
549
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,559
and two detectives from CID in Derry
to meet with Jonathan Creswell
550
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,880
and Christina Simpson
on Monday night at half seven.
551
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,159
I'd made it perfectly clear to them
that we needed two statements taken,
552
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160
one from Christina, one from Jonny.
553
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,919
When the officers spoke to Jonathan
and Christina, they rang me back.
554
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,399
Christina gave an account
to police
555
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,919
with regard to the living situation,
who was in the house,
556
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,399
and gave us more background.
557
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,319
He just continued to tell
the same version of events.
558
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,239
He claims that he went to drop his
children off, and that when he
559
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,120
came back, he walked through
the door and found Katie hanging.
560
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,880
Creswell also painted a picture
that Katie was depressed.
561
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,799
Both Christina and Jonathan's
version of events
562
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,319
were quite similar -
563
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,399
that they had been concerned for
Katie over the last number of weeks.
564
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,919
She had been acting erratically
565
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,880
and believed that she was going to
do something like commit suicide.
566
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,639
From the outset,
one of the main questions
567
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,880
we had to have answered was,
"Where was Katie's phone?"
568
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,919
It would be of great value.
It may have given information.
569
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,639
Had Katie been googling suicide?
Who was she in contact?
570
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,240
If she was frightened.
571
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,919
Creswell put forward an idea that
he initially wanted to lay her down
572
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,600
in the back of the car and threw
all the items out onto the road.
573
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,159
So I had spoken at length to
paramedics and I'd asked them,
574
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,239
"Was there any items thrown
across the road or out of the car
575
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,160
"when you attended to Katie?",
and they had said there wasn't.
576
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,919
Jonny had said to the officers
that Katie's Find my iPhone
577
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,680
had been turned off.
578
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,639
Why would Jonathan,
579
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,599
the partner of Katie's sister,
580
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,639
want to know where Katie
was located?
581
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,600
It just didn't make sense.
582
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,639
Jonathan Creswell would have been
asked about his relationship
583
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,159
with Katie.
584
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,159
They said there was no relationship
between the two.
585
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Jonanthan Creswell
is her brother-in-law.
586
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,079
What I was disturbed,
or what concerned me,
587
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,400
when I spoke to these officers is
that no statement had been taken.
588
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,919
Why were the police in Derry
acting like this
589
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,519
and who had told these officers
not to take a statement
590
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600
from Christina, from Jonny?
591
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,399
There was considerable institutional
and hierarchical resistance
592
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,359
to a changed narrative
on the Katie Simpson case.
593
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,159
SIREN
594
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,919
So when an officer comes forward
and challenges senior officers
595
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,919
over their set views on things
596
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,519
and how an investigation
has been proceeding,
597
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,959
that can create a lot of internal
hostility, tensions,
598
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,799
and can create, I suppose,
599
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
potentially, a level
of dysfunctionality.
600
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,159
We wanted to speak to
Rose de Montmorency-Wright,
601
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,759
who lived in the address.
602
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,120
We wanted to speak to Hayley Robb,
who was a close friend of the group.
603
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,559
Hayley Robb said she was travelling
from Banbridge,
604
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,719
was arranging to meet Jonathan
Creswell to go and clip horses.
605
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:39,000
She is the person that contacted
the Ambulance Service.
606
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,879
Jonathan rings Hayley
and keeps her on the phone
607
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,639
for the whole journey
back from his mother.
608
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,719
She explains to us that she didn't
know why he was keeping her
609
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,640
on the phone as they were going to
see each other very soon.
610
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,599
So Hayley calls an ambulance,
611
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,719
so our query is why did he not
contact the Ambulance Service?
612
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,560
Why is this woman contacting
the Ambulance Service?
613
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,639
The first suspicion was raised to me
614
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200
when Hayley Robb
contacted the police.
615
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,159
Hayley told the police that a woman
called Jill Robinson had rang her
616
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,039
to remind her to tell police that
Katie had been trampled by a horse,
617
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,360
and this is where the bruises
were meant to have come from.
618
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,919
Katie died from suicide, allegedly.
619
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,399
What has that got to do with her
being trampled by a horse?
620
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,480
And why is this woman not
telling the police herself?
621
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,959
Jill Robinson was an ex-girlfriend
of Jonathan Creswell.
622
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,319
She's slightly older and was someone
who was involved more in the sort of
623
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,719
training aspect of those horses
and someone who, even when Creswell
624
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,399
was convicted of domestic violence
against Abi Lyle,
625
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
she continued to keep
a relationship with him.
626
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,559
When I pulled up in the yard, I got
out to talk to Jill and I said,
627
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,399
"I believe you saw Katie
being trampled by a horse."
628
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,319
She says, "No, I never saw it
but I know where it happened.
629
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,279
"I could see on the grass
where she'd been trampled."
630
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,880
And I said, "Was there an imprint
of Katie's face on the ground?"
631
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Then she says, "Come over here"...
632
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,799
...and takes myself and my colleague
into a horse box and she goes,
633
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,520
"Look how tight it is in here.
You could easily get bruises."
634
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,799
And I just turned around
to her and said,
635
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,160
"Why are you trying to put bruises
on Katie? She died from suicide."
636
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,599
She was very keen to promote
a narrative
637
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,959
which included Katie
getting injured by a horse.
638
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,959
We weren't convinced that
that was how the injury occurred.
639
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,199
Chris Faloon had been a jockey
and he worked with Katie.
640
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,999
I knew to contact Chris.
641
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,479
Chris told me she would never
have fallen from a horse.
642
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,799
She's too good of a horsewoman.
She wouldn't be trampled by a horse.
643
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,759
And he was so adamant about this,
how foolish this could be,
644
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,639
but he said he would still find out,
645
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,199
and he rang his friends
who were at the show in Lurgan
646
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,880
and he came back to me and said,
"No, she never fell from a horse."
647
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,919
Part of Jonathan Creswell's
demeanour
648
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,399
in terms of all of the women
he engaged with,
649
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,159
he came across as a man
who had a way with words,
650
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,120
and he used that to his advantage.
651
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,639
Creswell had a reputation as someone
who was sexually inappropriate
652
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,280
with a lot of the young women
who were in his charge.
653
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,319
There was a certain amount of unease
in the Simpson family
654
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,600
when Creswell and Christina
started being in a relationship.
655
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,799
My sister and Katie's dad,
they tried everything
656
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,279
to get her away from him
but, teenage girls, it's hard.
657
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,639
Jonathan Creswell had been convicted
658
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,120
in relation to domestic violence
assaults on Abigail Lyle.
659
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,079
My understanding is that
Jill Robinson took Christina
660
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
up to prison to visit
Jonathan Creswell.
661
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,399
Christina would have been
a juvenile at the time,
662
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120
whereas Jonny was in his
late teens, early 20s.
663
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,919
The view, I think, that was taken
in the equestrian world,
664
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,399
that all of these women
were just silly little girls
665
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,360
who gaggled around Creswell
and that no-one really cared.
666
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,919
But in many cases
they were being coerced
667
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,520
and threatened in violence and
Katie was terrified of Creswell.
668
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Katie had started a relationship
with a man called Shane McCloskey,
669
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,159
who lived in Derry.
670
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,239
It's very strange to me
that she felt that
671
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,239
she had to keep that quiet,
that she had to keep it secret.
672
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,240
Katie contacted Shane
and asked Shane to come down.
673
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,559
They both left in separate cars.
674
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,120
When Shane was driving through
Omagh, he was seen by another woman.
675
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,559
And this chance meeting
really lit the fuse.
676
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,120
Ultimately started
a domino effect...
677
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,280
...which ends in Katie's death.
678
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,919
OK.
679
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Shane McCloskey interview,
take one.
680
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,160
If one person got a sense we were
launching murder investigation...
681
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,559
...everybody would know about it.
682
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Creswell thought he owned Katie
as part of his property.
683
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,120
What happened in the house
that morning?
684
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,319
She was clearly in fear
of Creswell finding out
685
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,640
that she had been in the company
of another man.
686
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,759
He was just calling me
everything underneath the sun.
687
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,800
Telling me to shut my fucking mouth.
688
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,559
I knew now the pressure was on.
689
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640
There's so much evidence here.
690
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,159
They protected him.
691
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,999
I was wishing to see justice
for Katie.
692
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,839
This is it happening now
and the clock is running.
693
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,039
We travelled to the court
and Katie's mother was crying.
694
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,360
People need to know
what happened to Katie.
695
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,720
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