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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:28,099 you 2 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:47,720 Reverend young on beauty today can you 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,790 think just think about the men whom you 4 00:00:49,790 --> 00:00:51,920 are going to encounter in an hour from 5 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,900 now less than an hour from now I really 6 00:00:56,900 --> 00:01:01,580 am going there without any expectations 7 00:01:01,580 --> 00:01:05,540 I'm going there to experience what God 8 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:08,869 has prepared for me for him for all of 9 00:01:08,869 --> 00:01:13,310 those involved and I don't preconceive 10 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:16,970 anything not today I will let that 11 00:01:16,970 --> 00:01:21,520 happen as it occurs as time gets there 12 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,090 we have a loving caring forgiving 13 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:31,700 merciful God and in time of joy and in 14 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:34,850 time of need and time of trial or 15 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:38,119 tribulation God is always there for us I 16 00:01:38,119 --> 00:01:41,420 want to make that presence to them and 17 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:44,420 technically when he's led to the gurney 18 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:47,330 but is your duty then after everything 19 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:49,970 is completed as far as the preparation 20 00:01:49,970 --> 00:01:54,050 then I walk over and I stand as he has 21 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:56,569 allowed me to stand I always ask 22 00:01:56,569 --> 00:01:58,789 permission to be able to stand at his 23 00:01:58,789 --> 00:02:01,940 feet and hold his ankle and I moved 24 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:04,789 toward that position and I placed my 25 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:08,240 hand on his ankle and then that's what 26 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:14,750 what I do until death occurs and if 27 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:15,739 there's no family 28 00:02:15,739 --> 00:02:17,870 interested in taking care of the body 29 00:02:17,870 --> 00:02:20,480 the condemned men would end up right 30 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,260 behind you 31 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:23,000 yes they end up here at the State 32 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,670 Cemetery and they're buried by the state 33 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:33,190 no names on the crosses only numbers 34 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:44,560 why does God allow capital punishment I 35 00:02:44,710 --> 00:02:48,280 don't know the answer 36 00:02:48,930 --> 00:02:51,120 I believe that there's always a purpose 37 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:57,870 why God allows things to happen God has 38 00:02:57,870 --> 00:03:02,030 created so many things in this world I 39 00:03:02,030 --> 00:03:05,939 play golf sometimes I love to be on the 40 00:03:05,939 --> 00:03:07,079 golf course 41 00:03:07,079 --> 00:03:10,829 because one thing I do I put my phone on 42 00:03:10,829 --> 00:03:13,650 a silent mode I go out there sometimes 43 00:03:13,650 --> 00:03:17,549 by myself with no distractions and I can 44 00:03:17,549 --> 00:03:20,010 see the beautiful grass I can see the 45 00:03:20,010 --> 00:03:22,169 squirrels from time to time running 46 00:03:22,169 --> 00:03:25,109 sometimes the deer running sometimes I 47 00:03:25,109 --> 00:03:27,599 look across the golf course and I see a 48 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:31,139 cow or a horse and and I and I stop and 49 00:03:31,139 --> 00:03:38,489 I acknowledge life life the things that 50 00:03:38,489 --> 00:03:41,310 God is created please describe an 51 00:03:41,310 --> 00:03:44,069 encounter with a squirrel an encounter 52 00:03:44,069 --> 00:03:46,139 with a squirrel I was driving the golf 53 00:03:46,139 --> 00:03:48,269 court and I was on the guy on the cart 54 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:51,060 path and I saw two squirrels they were 55 00:03:51,060 --> 00:03:52,979 chasing each other and as I was getting 56 00:03:52,979 --> 00:03:55,049 closer they were running across the cart 57 00:03:55,049 --> 00:03:57,060 path and I put on my brakes and they 58 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:58,889 stopped in the middle of the cart path 59 00:03:58,889 --> 00:04:01,349 and looked at me and I said how about 60 00:04:01,349 --> 00:04:04,109 this if I wouldn't have stopped I could 61 00:04:04,109 --> 00:04:05,849 have run over one of these squirrels 62 00:04:05,849 --> 00:04:08,849 there life would have ended and they 63 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:11,629 reminds me 64 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,350 the many people that I had been with and 65 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:25,120 their last breath of life and due to bad 66 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,460 choices and mistakes are in their life 67 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:35,490 their life is taken away in the moment 68 00:04:35,550 --> 00:04:40,780 so life is precious whether it's a 69 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:44,250 squirrel or a human being 70 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:48,670 so I will sometimes meditate on that 71 00:04:48,670 --> 00:04:53,650 experience make a little noise and the 72 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:55,750 squirrels will take off and continue 73 00:04:55,750 --> 00:05:00,780 their life but I cannot do that for 74 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:07,750 someone on the gurney I cannot stop the 75 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:12,750 process for them 76 00:05:15,210 --> 00:05:18,350 but I wish I could 77 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,330 you're not Wyeth yet shall we have to 78 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:45,500 wire you first 79 00:08:13,430 --> 00:08:16,410 Maggie Perry now from all of us the 80 00:08:16,410 --> 00:08:18,090 whole team here we would like to offer 81 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:23,870 our condolences your father passed away 82 00:08:23,870 --> 00:08:25,710 on the 10th 83 00:08:25,710 --> 00:08:28,980 my dad died 13 days ago 13 days in Japan 84 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:31,830 but you really died you are you are 85 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:34,260 scheduled to executions only eight days 86 00:08:34,260 --> 00:08:35,370 yes sir 87 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:38,940 how are you doing you know you know I'm 88 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:40,350 a Christian so you know I believe that 89 00:08:40,350 --> 00:08:42,210 no paradise awaits one way or the other 90 00:08:42,210 --> 00:08:44,100 so I tell people all the time I'm either 91 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:47,370 going home or home so I'm either going 92 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:49,730 home to the world our home to God so I 93 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:52,380 you know as the days get closer I can 94 00:08:52,380 --> 00:08:55,020 feel the pressure on my shoulders they 95 00:08:55,020 --> 00:08:56,580 call it clinical depression where I just 96 00:08:56,580 --> 00:08:58,260 start having less motivation to do 97 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:02,010 things less energy you get frustrated at 98 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:04,890 the system how can they not see you know 99 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:09,450 my situation is wrong you know I used to 100 00:09:09,450 --> 00:09:10,920 write all the time and have a lot of 101 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,450 energy and I just don't have it anymore 102 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:14,940 I just feel like I've been beaten down I 103 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:18,630 have the feeling that destiny in a way 104 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:22,020 has dealt you a very bad deck of cards 105 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:25,800 it does not exonerate you and and when I 106 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,410 talk to you it does not necessarily mean 107 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:31,650 that I have to like you but I respect 108 00:09:31,650 --> 00:09:33,690 you and you're a human being and I think 109 00:09:33,690 --> 00:09:36,600 human beings should not be executed as 110 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,530 simply as that right 111 00:12:03,070 --> 00:12:06,610 lieutenant this looks idyllic and safe 112 00:12:06,610 --> 00:12:09,079 well and you would think that this is a 113 00:12:09,079 --> 00:12:11,120 gated community obviously the houses 114 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,630 that are out here very large houses very 115 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:16,310 expensive houses and you would think 116 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:18,110 that this is this is a very quiet area 117 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:21,860 and you would I guess associate that 118 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:25,010 with security but this house right here 119 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:26,570 is actually the house where Sandra 120 00:12:26,570 --> 00:12:29,649 Stotler was murdered this is where 121 00:12:29,649 --> 00:12:33,050 Michael Perry and Jason Burkett parked 122 00:12:33,050 --> 00:12:35,149 out in the street and went in and 123 00:12:35,149 --> 00:12:38,060 murdered her at the time that we found 124 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:39,800 her she was actually baking cookies and 125 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,060 there was evidence of that there was 126 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:42,949 there was cookies out there was cookie 127 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:46,399 dough out so she was in the process of 128 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:47,649 that when she was killed 129 00:12:47,649 --> 00:12:51,769 but apparently the first plan was not 130 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:53,959 murder well and that was something that 131 00:12:53,959 --> 00:12:57,980 we were told that initially the the boys 132 00:12:57,980 --> 00:12:59,959 were all when I say boys 133 00:12:59,959 --> 00:13:02,329 Michael Perry Jason Burkett Adam Stotler 134 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:03,470 and Jeremy Richardson they were 135 00:13:03,470 --> 00:13:05,360 acquaintances through you know some 136 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,430 mutual friends they weren't really 137 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:08,899 friends themselves but they they were 138 00:13:08,899 --> 00:13:13,250 acquaintances and what we were told was 139 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:14,930 is that they came here with the 140 00:13:14,930 --> 00:13:17,810 intention of trying to get Adam Stotler 141 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:19,519 to allow them to stay the night my 142 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:20,600 telling them they didn't have a place to 143 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,779 stay and they were going to try to get 144 00:13:23,779 --> 00:13:25,880 the keys to the car and steal it that's 145 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,319 what they were after was the red Camaro 146 00:13:27,319 --> 00:13:31,160 that was in the garage upon going to the 147 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,959 door and talking to the mother and she 148 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:34,310 said that they were out the boys were 149 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:37,040 out and so they left and that's when 150 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,540 their plan changed that they were just 151 00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:41,360 going to kill her and take the car so 152 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,449 they went back up to the door and the 153 00:13:44,449 --> 00:13:46,130 garage was open and the door going into 154 00:13:46,130 --> 00:13:48,949 the house was open the Michael Perry by 155 00:13:48,949 --> 00:13:51,079 his own admission entered that garage 156 00:13:51,079 --> 00:13:52,940 door and went into the laundry room at 157 00:13:52,940 --> 00:13:54,440 the time that Jason Burkett knocked on 158 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,569 the front door and as their truck was 159 00:13:56,569 --> 00:13:57,889 out here and told him that the truck 160 00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:58,970 wouldn't start and they needed to call 161 00:13:58,970 --> 00:14:02,600 someone to come and assist them so she 162 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,889 let him in the house to use the 163 00:14:03,889 --> 00:14:05,420 telephone and while he was doing that 164 00:14:05,420 --> 00:14:06,920 Michael Perry stepped out of the laundry 165 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,870 room and knocked on the back garage door 166 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:11,779 which made her come and answer it and he 167 00:14:11,779 --> 00:14:13,360 stepped out from the laundry 168 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,010 from behind her and that's when he shot 169 00:14:15,010 --> 00:14:17,160 her 170 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,060 the actual garage door itself is open 171 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:25,490 when our deputies arrived on the scene 172 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,630 the master bedroom which is in the back 173 00:15:29,630 --> 00:15:31,460 part of the house behind the garage over 174 00:15:31,460 --> 00:15:34,430 here they went in and they took the top 175 00:15:34,430 --> 00:15:37,310 bedding in the blanket in the top sheet 176 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:40,070 and that's what they wrapped her in they 177 00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:41,690 brought her out put her in the truck and 178 00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:44,360 they drove her out to crater lake to 179 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,460 disposed of her body and told us it's 180 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:52,310 happening to seek drugs you know I don't 181 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:53,630 know that there was ever any direct 182 00:15:53,630 --> 00:15:55,730 evidence as far as you know drugs 183 00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:57,380 relating particularly to this case I 184 00:15:57,380 --> 00:16:00,050 mean honestly it was just you know they 185 00:16:00,050 --> 00:16:02,390 had a car you know this lady owned a car 186 00:16:02,390 --> 00:16:05,560 that they wanted so you know it was 187 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,240 unfortunately people died for a theft 188 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:32,350 other than it being dark this is pretty 189 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:35,080 much the way it was that night when we 190 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,410 came out here 191 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:50,129 you'll see all kinds of debris and trash 192 00:16:50,129 --> 00:16:53,370 here as I said this is a was pretty 193 00:16:53,370 --> 00:16:55,790 commonly used for a dumping ground 194 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:58,860 they've pulled lots of vehicles out of 195 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:00,930 Crater Lake we've had actually a few 196 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:03,449 other bodies that we that we've gotten 197 00:17:03,449 --> 00:17:04,789 out of Crater Lake 198 00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:08,309 this is crater lake here this little 199 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:10,740 area right here this is where the tire 200 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:12,419 treads and then in the dirt was actually 201 00:17:12,419 --> 00:17:16,949 here at the time that they first came 202 00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:19,140 down here they actually backed up to 203 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:20,819 that and tried to slam on their brakes 204 00:17:20,819 --> 00:17:23,100 hoping to eject the body in the water 205 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:25,409 and that didn't work so again that was 206 00:17:25,409 --> 00:17:27,270 just something that we heard I don't 207 00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:28,860 know that that's actually what happened 208 00:17:28,860 --> 00:17:31,740 but you could tell from there wasn't any 209 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:34,320 distinct tire wear in the ground you 210 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,630 could just tell that tires have been 211 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:39,870 spinning there so so it seemed to fit 212 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:41,460 the story but they ended up getting the 213 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,270 body and and carrying it out here and it 214 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:48,350 was just dropped in the water 215 00:18:54,609 --> 00:18:56,989 we didn't know when we processed the 216 00:18:56,989 --> 00:18:59,119 scene here and when we process the 217 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,849 thunder stalkers residents we still did 218 00:19:01,849 --> 00:19:03,200 not know that we had any other victims 219 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:10,309 other than her this is the gated 220 00:19:10,309 --> 00:19:13,549 community of Highland Ranch inside those 221 00:19:13,549 --> 00:19:15,950 gates is the house where Sandra Stotler 222 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:19,609 was murdered when Michael Perry and 223 00:19:19,609 --> 00:19:21,950 Jason Burkett came back here to get the 224 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:23,989 Camaro that they were after these gates 225 00:19:23,989 --> 00:19:26,330 were shut and locked so they didn't have 226 00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:29,210 access to it so they waited around and 227 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:31,429 parked until Adam Stotler and Jeremy 228 00:19:31,429 --> 00:19:34,729 Richardson returned home and that's when 229 00:19:34,729 --> 00:19:36,769 they got them to come out in the woods 230 00:19:36,769 --> 00:19:39,049 with them and and murdered them so that 231 00:19:39,049 --> 00:19:41,119 they could get basically the clicker to 232 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,460 come back and get access and you know 233 00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:45,499 into this gate so they go back to the 234 00:19:45,499 --> 00:19:47,299 house and take the Camaro so only 235 00:19:47,299 --> 00:19:49,339 because they didn't have the code here 236 00:19:49,339 --> 00:19:52,789 and it was closed at night two more 237 00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:55,879 young people had to die yes sir that's 238 00:19:55,879 --> 00:19:58,089 correct 239 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,169 lieutenant Jason Burkett and Mikey Perry 240 00:20:05,169 --> 00:20:07,870 and bragged about what they had done 241 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:12,039 how clear evidence was that well because 242 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:14,049 it came from multiple people it wasn't 243 00:20:14,049 --> 00:20:16,299 just one we got reports from several 244 00:20:16,299 --> 00:20:17,950 people from the different hangouts that 245 00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:19,090 they had said that they had killed 246 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:22,919 people that's how they got the vehicles 247 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:13,910 it was pretty convincing I mean we 248 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,850 believed it although again we we didn't 249 00:21:16,850 --> 00:21:18,620 have evidence that we had of the bodies 250 00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:22,610 of the time only after Perry confessed 251 00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:25,190 he pointed you to the location of the 252 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:30,160 two young boys yes sir 253 00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:13,710 as soon as I found out my mother her 254 00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:15,510 body had been found that whole week is 255 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:16,440 just a blur 256 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,050 I was watching the news it was Monday 257 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:21,930 morning and I saw helicopters flying 258 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:23,880 over Ronny's truck stop here well we 259 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,810 live a mile and I had a glimmer of hope 260 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:29,730 I said Adam got away he's found his way 261 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:32,400 home because that's things that you'd 262 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520 get off to come to my house so I told my 263 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,780 husband I said get in the car we're 264 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:38,730 going down there because they showed the 265 00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:41,280 crime seeing the helicopters there my 266 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,410 brother's car was there on the news so 267 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:45,650 we went up to Ronnies truck stop and I 268 00:22:45,650 --> 00:22:47,910 saw all that stuff on the car and I'm 269 00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:49,380 like oh that's not out of his car he 270 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:51,110 doesn't have all this stuff on their 271 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:54,450 stuff meaning these stickers good and oh 272 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:57,210 yeah I see yeah I saw that I was like oh 273 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:59,690 that's not his car 274 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,970 and then I looked at the license plate 275 00:23:06,970 --> 00:23:11,380 the car was riddled with bullets and 276 00:23:11,380 --> 00:23:14,990 they had just chased them down and 277 00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:17,360 caught him at the apartment complex and 278 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,920 I was kind of trailing behind them and 279 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,180 they left to go to the hospital they 280 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:25,130 told me I was like please tell me 281 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:27,770 because Adam had been missing now since 282 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:29,480 Wednesday and it was now Monday and I 283 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,820 said please tell me was Adam with them 284 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:33,500 they said Adam got shot and they took 285 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,620 him to the hospital now Michael Perry is 286 00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:40,430 still saying he's out of them he got out 287 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:42,370 of jail he bonded out of jail 288 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,259 Perry just had his ID you believed your 289 00:23:57,259 --> 00:23:59,840 brother was safe only wounded because 290 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,190 you were told Adam was safe in shock but 291 00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:07,600 in hospital and you know I was like 292 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,450 thank God thank God so I started calling 293 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:12,710 the hospitals trying to figure out which 294 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:15,830 hospital he was at and I described him 295 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:18,230 and she's like I finally got a nurse who 296 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:19,370 would talked to me and she's like that's 297 00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:21,580 not the kid that's here at ma'am 298 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:26,870 but your head helps I mean substantial 299 00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:30,200 helps if your brother Adam was wounded 300 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,149 but safe alive into all of a sudden my 301 00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:36,860 world was ripped out of him underneath 302 00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:42,850 me everyone was gone 303 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,930 I called lieutenant Davidson and he told 304 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:51,490 me to come down the police station 305 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,700 and I told him I'm watching you on TV 306 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,570 right now just tell me if that's Adam 307 00:24:57,570 --> 00:25:00,010 and he said I really would like you to 308 00:25:00,010 --> 00:25:03,070 come down to the station and I said just 309 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:06,520 tell me and he said yeah it's Adam he 310 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,030 said it's Adam and my knees gave out and 311 00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:12,490 I never knew that your knees really went 312 00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:15,220 weak you know but that saying is true 313 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:16,960 weak in the knees my knees went weak and 314 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,470 I fell to the floor 315 00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:30,500 this is Lindsay lane this is where we 316 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,350 were directed on this road by Michael 317 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:35,600 Perry in his confession that we would 318 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,880 find two additional bodies of Adam 319 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,299 Stotler and Jeremy Richardson well we 320 00:25:44,299 --> 00:25:46,039 came down this road and that we split up 321 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:47,150 we went to the end of the road and we 322 00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:49,780 actually walked back this way and 323 00:25:49,780 --> 00:25:54,070 discovered Adams body 324 00:26:00,899 --> 00:26:02,909 they lured him into this area by telling 325 00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:04,320 them that there was a mutual friend of 326 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,789 theirs that had gotten hurt while they 327 00:26:05,789 --> 00:26:12,090 were hunting this house obviously was 328 00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:14,850 not here at the time you can see as this 329 00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:16,860 is coming out how it's coming around so 330 00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:19,620 it's gonna be somewhere about somewhere 331 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,450 in that concrete is gonna be about where 332 00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:24,379 his body was discovered 333 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,070 once we actually process the scene and 334 00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:36,960 we move the body once we move the body 335 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,220 there was a cigarette butt under it 336 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:40,799 which we collected and there was also 337 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,140 another cigarette butt closeby but the 338 00:26:43,140 --> 00:26:44,789 one that was under his body once we 339 00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:46,890 submitted it to the state lab for DNA it 340 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:48,409 had Micra Perry's DNA on it 341 00:26:48,409 --> 00:26:51,630 which means the body had pulled and had 342 00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:53,280 fallen on the cigarette after it was 343 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,970 already discarded on the ground the 344 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:59,070 other body was Jeremy Richardson and 345 00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:01,559 from where we actually found his body it 346 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,900 was so dense with trees we couldn't even 347 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,460 get into it I don't know how he got into 348 00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:07,530 it we couldn't hardly even get into it 349 00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:09,809 without taking machetes and cutting back 350 00:27:09,809 --> 00:27:15,750 some of the brush Jeremy he ran for some 351 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:17,610 distance while he was being shot at I 352 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:19,140 don't know if it was because he heard 353 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:21,059 the gunshots here and got startled or 354 00:27:21,059 --> 00:27:23,340 Jason pointed the shotgun at him and he 355 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:24,750 realized it before he was actually shot 356 00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:27,830 and he took off running 357 00:27:35,399 --> 00:27:40,149 Charles you lost your brother Jeremy do 358 00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:42,039 you remember the moment when you heard 359 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:48,039 about it I was in Georgia and I got a 360 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,070 phone call from my hand saying for me to 361 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:55,200 call home something bad had happened I 362 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,119 tried to call I didn't have no money at 363 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,149 the time my phone wouldn't let me call 364 00:28:01,149 --> 00:28:03,639 long distance so I tried to call collect 365 00:28:03,639 --> 00:28:06,849 my grandpa hung up on me he didn't want 366 00:28:06,849 --> 00:28:09,759 to he didn t want to pay two dollars to 367 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:11,200 talk to me to tell me my brother was 368 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,389 dead I had to actually give my aunt to 369 00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:19,450 call and find out what was going on and 370 00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:23,469 then she called me back and my first 371 00:28:23,469 --> 00:28:26,919 thought was cuz on the phone she says do 372 00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:29,829 you know Jason Burkett I said yeah she 373 00:28:29,829 --> 00:28:31,989 said well something's happened and your 374 00:28:31,989 --> 00:28:34,859 brother's dead and 375 00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:51,240 well my first thought was you know Jason 376 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,600 was just driving being stupid the way 377 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,950 you normally was and had raked and then 378 00:28:58,950 --> 00:29:01,410 she told me know that Jason shot my 379 00:29:01,410 --> 00:29:06,420 brother over a car I just felt up I felt 380 00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:14,630 up my uncle came and picked me up and uh 381 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:16,940 we just meant riding her out 382 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:23,040 did your father he was in prison no 383 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,840 serious well it was the first time he 384 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,640 was in jail for murder in prison for 385 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,990 murder 386 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:38,250 life sentence well no he he was doing 387 00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,470 his 15-year sentence first and then he 388 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:41,910 was out for about a year and then he 389 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:45,240 went and got a life sentence and he's 390 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,500 just getting up after that and you flew 391 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,140 in for the funeral yeah I flew in from 392 00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:58,380 the funeral the cop said uh I jump bond 393 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,320 and the cops were there to take me to 394 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,530 jail 395 00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:08,840 over my brother's can I tell him what it 396 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,230 was for I mean would it be okay to tell 397 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:13,520 him the you know it was a drug 398 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,580 possession so you took the trade time 399 00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:19,790 for your brother if you were arrested at 400 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:21,950 the funeral cops came in there there's 401 00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:26,440 six cops came in and identified me and 402 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,310 told me they were gonna take me to jail 403 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:32,150 right then I asked him you know at least 404 00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:34,940 stay for my brother's chainable and the 405 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:37,820 teardrops to choose what do they see 406 00:30:37,820 --> 00:30:38,960 buffet 407 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,940 I lost my my brother-in-law sister 408 00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:45,980 brother learned of your sister happy to 409 00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:49,340 her she was coming to my house and she 410 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:53,030 crossed the freeway and she got ran over 411 00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:58,970 of our car tell me about your brother 412 00:30:58,970 --> 00:31:01,690 Jeremy 413 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:13,730 Jeremy was 414 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:20,090 he was just a golden chop he was a good 415 00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:24,550 kid I trusted his friends 416 00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:34,470 he would get in trouble just just to to 417 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:36,690 have that attention but he wouldn't do 418 00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:38,910 nothing serious he would never do 419 00:31:38,910 --> 00:31:40,830 anything too serious he got in trouble 420 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,580 for making people laugh you know talking 421 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:46,740 during class you know stuff like that he 422 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:48,450 was a very sociable person everybody 423 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:54,330 loved him and everybody said that I was 424 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:55,679 one that was supposed to be dead before 425 00:31:55,679 --> 00:32:00,179 I was 21 and not jamming would you love 426 00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:03,470 to of course 427 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:11,240 he was lovely he was my best friend he 428 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,520 was my best friend bro he's all I had 429 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,800 you took care of him 430 00:32:22,179 --> 00:32:24,990 a child 431 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,870 it turns out the only thing I did was 432 00:32:27,870 --> 00:32:31,800 hurting I introduced them to the people 433 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,430 to kill them 434 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,980 he tell me all the time is meeting him 435 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:51,130 against the world I tell my wife the 436 00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:56,140 same thing no it's just me and him 437 00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:58,770 against the world 438 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,790 I believe from the time that we got the 439 00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:10,740 initial call until they were caught it 440 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:12,630 was within a week it was I believed five 441 00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:15,690 to seven days and you arrived at the 442 00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:18,690 scene where they were apprehended yes 443 00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:19,140 sir 444 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:24,000 can you describe some a hidden yes sir 445 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,660 it was 446 00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:26,970 there was a truck stop actually the 447 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:28,560 truck stops not there anymore but it was 448 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,810 a kind of the side parking lot of a 449 00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:33,210 truck stop and there was an abandoned 450 00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:34,770 warehouse and then on the other side of 451 00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:36,960 that an apartment complex so the entire 452 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,750 scene spanned from that parking lot all 453 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:43,730 the way well into the apartment complex 454 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,170 there was shotgun shells there was 455 00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:48,760 cartridge casings where they had 456 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,560 exchanged fire with the officers that 457 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,930 were there it was wrecked vehicles and I 458 00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:56,520 mean there was just people everywhere 459 00:33:57,030 --> 00:34:00,240 and the police officer was run over yes 460 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,750 for his leg 461 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200 there was a vehicle wrecked out and all 462 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,419 the glass in the vehicle it shattered 463 00:34:09,419 --> 00:34:12,419 from the gunshots Burkett and period 464 00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:15,300 both sustained gunshot wounds belief 465 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,510 Jason Burkett was shot three times if 466 00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:20,399 I'm not mistaken and I'm not really 467 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:22,710 certain about Michael Perry but that 468 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:24,690 they both had wounds from gunshots and 469 00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:28,669 obviously glass cuts and scrapes 470 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,670 so there was a wild hot pursuit and you 471 00:34:58,670 --> 00:35:01,310 were in this wild chase did you actually 472 00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:04,430 open fire at them or what had happened I 473 00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:06,230 don't want to be too indiscreet but I 474 00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:08,420 think what I can tell you I pled guilty 475 00:35:08,420 --> 00:35:10,460 I've got 10 years done on a 15 year 476 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:12,040 sentence for it let's see 477 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,390 we were sleep we had been drinking the 478 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:16,490 night before we were sleeping in the car 479 00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:18,050 because we couldn't get to the motel 480 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:21,820 which was on the other side of a fence I 481 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,110 don't remember this other guy that was 482 00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:25,460 in the car with us I don't know how he 483 00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:27,410 got with us I don't know his name I 484 00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:29,690 don't know anything about him Michael 485 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:31,370 Perry and me were drinking and somehow 486 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:32,630 this guy got with us that night 487 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:36,830 I remember getting woke up and getting 488 00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:40,730 shot in the car I looked around Michael 489 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:42,350 Perry wasn't next to me with some other 490 00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:43,820 kid next to me but Perry was in the 491 00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:45,500 backseat and Perry tried to get out of 492 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:46,040 the car 493 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,710 in the back and then he shut the door I 494 00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:52,670 started the truck and I went to flee and 495 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:54,080 everybody says you shouldn't have ran 496 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,850 you shouldn't have ran I had just been 497 00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:59,150 shot and the only way for me not to get 498 00:35:59,150 --> 00:36:01,850 shot again was to get out of there and I 499 00:36:01,850 --> 00:36:03,920 wasn't thinking clearly I didn't know 500 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,710 about a murder I didn't know about what 501 00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:07,580 they were looking I didn't know the 502 00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:08,870 extent I didn't know they knew who I was 503 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:13,220 and when I drove off the officer was 504 00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:14,960 right in front of me I drove to the 505 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,550 right and he shot me through the door 506 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,140 right here in my arm 507 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:22,280 how badly were you wounded I was shot 508 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:22,850 right here 509 00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:25,040 can you show it tie in for me I was shot 510 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,620 right here in my wrist I was shot right 511 00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:28,640 here in my hand 512 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,540 my finger I was shot right here I was 513 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:34,820 shot right here and I was shot right 514 00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,030 here 515 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:39,820 right here I had a piece of the car door 516 00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:44,350 in my side Stan launched in your sight 517 00:36:44,350 --> 00:36:46,640 so how do you get through a metal 518 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,250 detector well it came out afterwards it 519 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,220 came out they come out of 520 00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:54,280 right here in my collarbone I had a 521 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,550 piece of the glass or the car door went 522 00:36:57,550 --> 00:37:03,790 inside I crashed into a building because 523 00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:06,160 I couldn't steer my Bloods all in the 524 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,290 truck they said well your DNA is on the 525 00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:11,050 gun my DNA is on everything in there 526 00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:13,200 I was shot my DNA was on Michael Perry 527 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,850 DNA was on every seat in there from 528 00:37:15,850 --> 00:37:18,870 being shot blood went everywhere 529 00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:25,360 whenever I crashed I jumped out and ran 530 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,920 I ran I ran in the building there was 531 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,360 cops shooting at the building where we 532 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,240 were crashed into they were shooting 533 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,840 from every direction the window in the 534 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,030 back of the buildings like this you 535 00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:42,340 can't get through it I shot one time 536 00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:44,650 with the gun through the window I 537 00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:46,570 probably shouldn't have done that but I 538 00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:48,370 was trapped and I was panic and I didn't 539 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:50,140 know what to do and when we got through 540 00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:53,130 there we ran to some apartments 541 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:56,410 you know I carry Perry Hathaway but I 542 00:37:56,410 --> 00:38:00,490 mean we got to the apartment you dealt 543 00:38:00,490 --> 00:38:02,920 with it like real tough men 544 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,020 I remember reading somewhere that 545 00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:08,410 Michael Perry shouted this is it put the 546 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:10,720 balls at the walls or something let's 547 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,520 both let's fight back 548 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:20,260 so I remember something I don't recall 549 00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:22,720 him saying it he could have said it too 550 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,060 much commotion too many bullets flying I 551 00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:26,260 didn't really understand what was 552 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,210 happening all I knew is where we were at 553 00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:30,970 we could not stay there yeah and he was 554 00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:32,440 screaming balls to the walls 555 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,660 they say well how can I say I don't want 556 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:40,720 to go into the details of of what 557 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,870 happened but faculty said three people 558 00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:45,730 were killed 559 00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:50,470 mm-hmm and you deny that you were even 560 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:55,090 close to the scene or how do you there's 561 00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:56,770 no longer a question there's no longer a 562 00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:58,510 question of my innocence that's question 563 00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:00,190 is out the door the question is what is 564 00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:02,740 anyone gonna do about it now I mean a 565 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,290 perfect example is you're here with 566 00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:06,700 these guys they show up at your hotel 567 00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,950 room in a car you're gonna assume that 568 00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:10,570 that car is you know these are your 569 00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:12,550 friends so when Jason shows up to pick 570 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,500 me up in a car I'm gonna assume it's 571 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,270 okay you get it you get arrested you 572 00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:17,380 come to find out he just murdered 573 00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:18,940 someone from that car you're gonna end 574 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:21,130 up on Texas death row you're gonna end 575 00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:22,840 up right here because you trusted one of 576 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,130 these guys to show up and pick you open 577 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:26,320 up in a real car it wasn't just stolen 578 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,350 but trusting in trays and was a bad 579 00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:31,540 choice anyway let's let's face it he was 580 00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:33,880 well you know some sort of a bad epilim 581 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,119 so so were you I was homeless starving 582 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,680 so and using drugs and stealing yummy 583 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,570 drugs he offered me a place to stay he 584 00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:46,480 offered me food so I chose I chose that 585 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,920 which I shouldn't have I regret it every 586 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,450 every minute now cherish every minute uh 587 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:54,340 cherish every minute make the most of it 588 00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:56,800 because uh you know they can they can 589 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,450 they can do you like me being the wrong 590 00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:59,920 situation at the wrong time there's no 591 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,090 telling where you end up you might want 592 00:40:01,090 --> 00:40:02,650 to get out of Texas as soon as possible 593 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:05,290 uh they might arrest you any any second 594 00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:07,380 huh 595 00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:47,920 I went over to my buddy's house there 596 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,500 was a guy that anyone to fight me and uh 597 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:54,819 he run upon me as I got out of the truck 598 00:40:54,819 --> 00:40:58,660 and uh I just kind of blew him off you 599 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,380 know me just go man go much business and 600 00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:03,849 everybody said he even saying he was 601 00:41:03,849 --> 00:41:05,109 gonna stab me when I got out of the 602 00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:07,240 truck you know it kind of pissed me off 603 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:12,039 so I went back found two dude and uh run 604 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:13,750 upon him and I was taking off my shirt 605 00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:15,309 and I threw him up threw my shirt up 606 00:41:15,309 --> 00:41:17,259 like that you know and throw it up over 607 00:41:17,259 --> 00:41:19,569 my elbow I was gonna take it off and 608 00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:21,849 when I did that he hit me right here 609 00:41:21,849 --> 00:41:24,220 with a screwdriver and screw drive about 610 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:26,470 that long and it was the Philips you 611 00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:28,539 know a little skinny long screwdrivers 612 00:41:28,539 --> 00:41:31,690 and uh something to the handle and after 613 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:33,849 that uh all the way to pay him I'll 614 00:41:33,849 --> 00:41:38,289 weigh the handles minutes probably prior 615 00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:41,980 right in there I went straight straight 616 00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:45,250 through under my arm into my chest you 617 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:47,200 know I know went to the hospital or 618 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,170 anything what did you feel you felt yeah 619 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:52,720 just uh I felt up though you know the 620 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,269 pressure of it when they hit that's all 621 00:41:55,269 --> 00:41:57,460 I felt I kind of jumped back out the way 622 00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:01,180 you know I looked and my buddy threw me 623 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,250 a knife and I looked down at the knife 624 00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:04,900 on the ground I was like you know I'm 625 00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,180 thinking to myself my head you know I'm 626 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:09,910 going to my kids today you know so I 627 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:12,099 didn't even pick it up and then my other 628 00:42:12,099 --> 00:42:13,660 buddy come out running out of the yard 629 00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:17,789 and I had to be at work in 30 minutes 630 00:42:17,789 --> 00:42:21,519 matter of fact of our roof I was roofing 631 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,029 the house with Jason's brother uh what 632 00:42:25,029 --> 00:42:27,940 is it Chris perk it when I was roofing 633 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:29,680 the house with a little Christmas not in 634 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,009 jail at that time now India went to 635 00:42:33,009 --> 00:42:35,830 hospital no 636 00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:37,540 the Navy was asking me if I need to go 637 00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:38,860 to the hospital or anything but it just 638 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:41,320 some white pus and a little bit of blood 639 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,420 come out and you know I thought I was 640 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:47,170 good everything I guess I am so I was 641 00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:49,620 lucky there 642 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,210 but you have never been in in real 643 00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:59,630 trouble with the law matter felony 644 00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:02,720 that's the only bad bad one hand but 645 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,829 you're a working man 646 00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:05,900 yes sir short yeah I ain't been in 647 00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:06,980 trouble for years 648 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:09,680 can I see your hands yeah maybe shook 649 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920 hands I noticed your calluses you're 650 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,810 working yeah in a paid job yep cars yes 651 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:18,320 sir 652 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,920 solid work yes sir in the tattoo in here 653 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:29,119 can't believe you had been with her when 654 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,930 you met Burkett nah not yet I've been 655 00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:36,079 with her for three years and I got a 17 656 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,630 month old baby whatever yeah they're 657 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:42,770 staying with her yeah now the tattoo is 658 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:43,310 forever 659 00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:46,930 the hairs forever and he's talked about 660 00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:50,530 but what happens if the relationship 661 00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:54,380 unravels what happens to Bailey get 662 00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:55,790 somewhere had to get Bailey sucks right 663 00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:58,089 there 664 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:10,090 can you talk about Jason Burkett how did 665 00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,010 you meet him how did you know him what 666 00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:14,890 do you know about him first time I've 667 00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:16,840 ever met him long seem like pretty cool 668 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,630 guy you know so we hung out you know I 669 00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:21,220 introduced him to a few girls and 670 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:24,400 everything and then we used to go 671 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,480 hunting together one time he tried to 672 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,900 kill me I introduced him to these girls 673 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,140 and her dad knew had something going on 674 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:35,830 I don't know 675 00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:37,630 well anyway he thought I wanted to get 676 00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:39,370 with that girl and come over to another 677 00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:42,310 girl's house and rushed me with a gun 678 00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:44,140 well I had this girl tell me to come 679 00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:46,660 outside and I was eating supper and 680 00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:49,210 rushed me with a guy so we fought for 681 00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:52,660 about 45 minutes we're going to my head 682 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,810 in this girl's house I was a 22 caliber 683 00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:57,510 single-shot pistol 684 00:44:57,510 --> 00:45:02,020 yeah held del to my head banging me in 685 00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:05,260 the head with it we were fighting off to 686 00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:07,720 the house with the gun gotta lock myself 687 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,020 in his bedroom and he was gonna kick in 688 00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:12,490 the door so I just opened the door and 689 00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:14,890 let him in cuz imma tear this girl's 690 00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:18,550 dad's household you know out today and 691 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:20,110 we started fighting again and he pinned 692 00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:21,700 me on the bed and we pulled the trigger 693 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:25,290 well if the politico now I missed fire 694 00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:27,490 because the bullet come out the gun and 695 00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:29,910 you could tell or 22 bullet II was like 696 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:32,410 it's just that round flat piece on the 697 00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:32,950 bottom 698 00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:34,390 it was the firing pin ain't long enough 699 00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:37,890 it don't hit it and it don't move off 700 00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:40,600 but uh it hit it but I don't know why 701 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,370 didn't go off you've been lucky yeah 702 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:47,410 very lucky yeah I kind of blacked out 703 00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,710 there 704 00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:56,579 yeah real lucky and then I'm killing 705 00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,650 those people when I feel sorry for their 706 00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:01,099 families 707 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,980 me and my friend big Justin was up at 708 00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:11,580 the bar one time and he come up to these 709 00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:14,850 new cars hillman Perry you know we're 710 00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:16,080 like man we're juggling these new cars 711 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,660 that it's like all we was holding hands 712 00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:20,370 him when Perry was hold hands and 713 00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:22,700 scratched off a lottery ticket together 714 00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,320 and a one-nil took ours 715 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,420 well me and my buddy knew it wasn't 716 00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:28,950 right because they both felons you know 717 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:30,690 I mean ain't nobody gonna sell him ain't 718 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:33,060 he's won got a driver's license so you 719 00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,220 know and and the cars were like fully 720 00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:38,460 loaded CDs K boards and stuff like that 721 00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:41,550 in there you know so we knew something 722 00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:43,950 or something was up with it and he 723 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:46,770 started giving people joy rise up at the 724 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:48,980 bar 725 00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:55,760 Jason and Michael came up to the bar to 726 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,530 show off two new vehicles that they had 727 00:46:57,530 --> 00:47:02,000 purchased and at first we nobody really 728 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,160 understood they explained that they had 729 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,350 purchased a lottery ticket and that's 730 00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:07,670 how they got the money to buy the cars 731 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:10,550 and at that time it started getting a 732 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:11,590 little weird 733 00:47:11,590 --> 00:47:16,010 what didn't sound right about this the 734 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:17,540 amount of the lottery ticket was four 735 00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:19,100 thousand dollars they said they cashed 736 00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,560 it in the gas station that doesn't 737 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,140 usually happen the vehicles themselves 738 00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,640 didn't look like they just came off a 739 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,450 car lot 740 00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:28,760 you drove these cars I rode in them I 741 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,780 didn't drive them 742 00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,910 yeah they Jason and Michael were kind of 743 00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:34,640 given everybody test drives and I rode 744 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,940 in both vehicles the the red Camaro when 745 00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:43,510 I wrote in it they were showing off guns 746 00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:46,130 there was a 12-gauge shotgun and I don't 747 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:47,750 remember the other one but I did see 748 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:49,760 them in the trunk of the red Camaro that 749 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,480 night from what I heard rumors you know 750 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,790 they were initially planning on stealing 751 00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:58,370 a car of my roommate at the house I was 752 00:47:58,370 --> 00:48:00,320 staying at and that scared the hell out 753 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:00,680 of me 754 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,300 cuz that could have been me you know if 755 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:03,500 he would have decided to come and get 756 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,370 the car in my driveway where would I be 757 00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:10,100 I've managed to block it I've managed to 758 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,860 try to not deal with it and not think 759 00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:22,010 about it I guess being in the situations 760 00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:24,590 that I've been in just from being 761 00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:27,890 employed at that bar I have seen so many 762 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:30,950 awful things that I don't deal with them 763 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:35,330 I just kind of put them back Jason break 764 00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,210 about crimes he never bragged to me and 765 00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:40,910 my buddy big Justin we didn't know it 766 00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:44,420 happened you know there was they come 767 00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,980 got us from Justin's house to police 768 00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:48,140 tear and it took us up there and it was 769 00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:50,780 like y'all read the paper and I told him 770 00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:53,210 look I couldn't read and then they 771 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:55,310 didn't believe me and they looked at my 772 00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:58,030 record found out I can't read and then 773 00:48:58,030 --> 00:49:00,530 so they read the paper to me and told me 774 00:49:00,530 --> 00:49:03,070 what he had done 775 00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:08,340 do you read now dire so late you started 776 00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:11,450 to learn how to read ya learn Arief 777 00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:14,490 wonderful yes I think this is great 778 00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:17,510 achievement yeah it's awesome 779 00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:22,310 yeah I'm much more connected now yeah 780 00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:25,590 how does it feel not to be able to read 781 00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:27,390 you have to be much smarter than the 782 00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:29,190 others to understand the world anyway 783 00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:33,000 yeah it's kind of tough out there when 784 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,850 you can't read but I mean cuz I know is 785 00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:39,960 there some way I can read it for you but 786 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,600 uh I mean I learned how to read in jail 787 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,660 so I can write letters and read the 788 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:49,440 letters other than and I'm planning on 789 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,410 rolled back from where I learned I read 790 00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:56,820 there and you have to encode now oh yeah 791 00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:58,880 staying busy at the paint body shop 792 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,600 reading oh yeah writing not much writing 793 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:11,700 a lot of sanding I'm interested in your 794 00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,670 relationship with Michael Perry how did 795 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,480 you two beat out assisting happening and 796 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,510 mm I had a girlfriend 797 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:25,680 mm she had a friend named Miranda I 798 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,740 ended up going to jail and Miranda I 799 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:30,570 seen her on the side of the road arguing 800 00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:33,540 with Michael Perry and I said I pulled 801 00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:34,890 over and I said what's going on and she 802 00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:37,440 said he's living in my trunk and I can't 803 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,970 get him you know he can't live there no 804 00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:40,650 more my dad's seen him my dad got in a 805 00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,000 fight with him this morning he can't 806 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800 live there so he was living in the trunk 807 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,520 of a car 808 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,020 and I said well I don't know what to 809 00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,850 tell you if she asked me can he live 810 00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:50,460 with you and at that moment I sort of 811 00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:52,830 know he can't live with me and then I 812 00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:54,930 looked at him and she's like sad crying 813 00:50:54,930 --> 00:50:56,280 and she said please let him live with 814 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,890 you just for a month this was when we 815 00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:00,720 were living in the camper trailer and I 816 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,299 told him you can live with this 817 00:51:02,299 --> 00:51:04,429 get your stuff put it in my truck and 818 00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:09,489 come home and from that day on I fed him 819 00:51:09,489 --> 00:51:13,069 gave him money took care of him he was 820 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:16,640 like a like a little brother kid brother 821 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,979 that was pushed on him and when they 822 00:51:18,979 --> 00:51:21,439 he's older than me by a few months but I 823 00:51:21,439 --> 00:51:22,729 had to take care of him cuz he had 824 00:51:22,729 --> 00:51:25,459 nothing he had nobody little did I know 825 00:51:25,459 --> 00:51:27,949 he had very supportive family his mom 826 00:51:27,949 --> 00:51:30,679 and dad were both supportive he just 827 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:32,209 didn't want to follow rules he was just 828 00:51:32,209 --> 00:51:33,499 like me and didn't want to follow rules 829 00:51:33,499 --> 00:51:35,209 and that's why he ended up living with 830 00:51:35,209 --> 00:51:38,599 me because they said work and you can 831 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,789 live with us he didn't want to work and 832 00:51:40,789 --> 00:51:45,999 us sent on the outward bound to trip 833 00:51:46,299 --> 00:51:48,469 well you know I'm a city boy at heart 834 00:51:48,469 --> 00:51:50,299 you know I'm saying I'm really not into 835 00:51:50,299 --> 00:51:52,579 the nature and bugs and in the weather 836 00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:54,979 and you know so you know when East they 837 00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:58,279 sent me on a two-week canoe trip which 838 00:51:58,279 --> 00:52:00,559 sounds wonderful for me but yeah you 839 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,689 know you know I like to canoe but what 840 00:52:02,689 --> 00:52:04,039 was it wasn't the canoeing it was bad it 841 00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:05,989 was it is an Everglades I mean we're 842 00:52:05,989 --> 00:52:08,089 seeing alligators everywhere now my 843 00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:09,709 question is and I didn't realize that 844 00:52:09,709 --> 00:52:10,939 until I got here what happened if I 845 00:52:10,939 --> 00:52:12,019 would have fell out and got eaten by an 846 00:52:12,019 --> 00:52:14,239 alligator who would have been 847 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,039 responsible you know did my parents sign 848 00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:17,390 some type of waiver because there's 849 00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:19,459 alligators everywhere well a young man 850 00:52:19,459 --> 00:52:21,589 of 13 you better watch out and eat and 851 00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:28,999 handle the alligators you didn't we 852 00:52:28,999 --> 00:52:32,359 would canoe until like nighttime and 853 00:52:32,359 --> 00:52:33,469 pull in I guess they had certain 854 00:52:33,469 --> 00:52:36,259 designations marked and sometimes we'd 855 00:52:36,259 --> 00:52:37,609 pull in like at midnight there's bugs 856 00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:38,900 you can reach out and grab a handful of 857 00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:40,069 bugs and then they want us to cook 858 00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:42,349 dinner and you know I'm like man I can't 859 00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:44,299 and one of the things that the program 860 00:52:44,299 --> 00:52:47,059 was to teach you immediate they you know 861 00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:48,199 every action there's a there's a 862 00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,059 reaction so immediate consequences to 863 00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:51,289 your decisions and one of the things I 864 00:52:51,289 --> 00:52:52,429 learned is that if I don't pay attention 865 00:52:52,429 --> 00:52:54,589 to the lessons we had these bags for our 866 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:56,420 property and met a coelom right or there 867 00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:57,650 wouldn't be waterproof well I didn't 868 00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:59,509 listen and they fell in the water and 869 00:52:59,509 --> 00:53:01,400 all my stuff got wet so I didn't have my 870 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,229 own team and toilet paper anymore and I 871 00:53:03,229 --> 00:53:05,749 didn't like that so basically I was my 872 00:53:05,749 --> 00:53:07,369 typical stubborn self and I told me you 873 00:53:07,369 --> 00:53:08,329 know what I ain't doing this no more 874 00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:10,880 take me home but he we're not attacked 875 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,439 by Ellie K yeah we were attacked by 876 00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:13,690 monkeys No 877 00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:16,310 absolutely monkeys were jumping from one 878 00:53:16,310 --> 00:53:17,960 side to the trees on the other side we 879 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,760 were at and come trying to come over 880 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,730 there and they couldn't figure out where 881 00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,020 the monkeys came from but there was a 882 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:27,980 whole bunch of them a whole bunch I want 883 00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:29,210 to get out and get one but they said 884 00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:32,110 they have diseases right 885 00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:08,060 so best-case scenario if you are granted 886 00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:12,730 parole in 2041 how old would you be then 887 00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:15,410 does this ever occur to you do you want 888 00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:18,920 to think about it be 59 60 889 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,630 I was 19 I have to do 40 years from 1950 890 00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:34,009 when it came to the face after your 891 00:54:34,009 --> 00:54:36,289 trial was over for punishment face your 892 00:54:36,289 --> 00:54:40,880 father showed up in court can you 893 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,809 describe the scene I knew he was coming 894 00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:46,519 and I knew what he was going to testify 895 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,940 to but to hear him justify it's like I 896 00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:52,670 was born with neuroblastoma I had 18 897 00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:54,769 surgeries about the time I was five and 898 00:54:54,769 --> 00:54:57,769 I I don't know a lot about it because 899 00:54:57,769 --> 00:54:59,930 it's something that I try to shy away 900 00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:03,529 from I knew he was gonna testify to my 901 00:55:03,529 --> 00:55:06,079 raising and I was a in pain all the time 902 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,759 and he watched me cried sleep and it was 903 00:55:10,759 --> 00:55:12,829 difficult because I've seen him cry I 904 00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:15,349 mean if you ever see my dad six foot six 905 00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:18,039 six foot seven 300 pounds big old guy 906 00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,779 they brought him in from from prison 907 00:55:20,779 --> 00:55:23,140 came in from still incarcerated 908 00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:25,519 he's right across the street on the 909 00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,960 others unit mr. Burkett how are you 910 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:39,019 doing just fine how fine you are in here 911 00:55:39,019 --> 00:55:43,819 for how many years 40 40 years eight 912 00:55:43,819 --> 00:55:45,529 felony counts is that correct 913 00:55:45,529 --> 00:55:49,309 yes that's pretty serious yes and you 914 00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:52,430 spent some time before this for the 915 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:55,309 sentence in jail is that correct yes sir 916 00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:58,819 yeah I've been in prison five times how 917 00:55:58,819 --> 00:56:01,999 many years already two years there's a 918 00:56:01,999 --> 00:56:03,859 five-year sentence a 30-year sentence 919 00:56:03,859 --> 00:56:07,729 and in this 40 that's a lot yes sir 920 00:56:07,729 --> 00:56:13,069 what went wrong drugs and alcohol can 921 00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:15,400 you explain well 922 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,680 I started using drugs when I was about 923 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:23,470 13 drinking and drugging and Salomon 924 00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:26,589 manufacturing some stealing and 925 00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:28,210 burglarizing going along with it to 926 00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:31,539 support the habit and always end up back 927 00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:32,940 in prison 928 00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:36,309 that's one insignificant moment when 929 00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:40,150 chasing your son was found guilty for 930 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:41,130 capital murder 931 00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:44,319 triple homicide during the sentencing 932 00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,599 phase you appeared in court can you 933 00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:55,619 describe what you said to the jury well 934 00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,869 let explain to him what prison life was 935 00:56:58,869 --> 00:57:03,720 about and explain explain to him that I 936 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,490 didn't think killing him was going to 937 00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:11,020 bring back those people or really suck 938 00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:13,480 you know do anything to correct what 939 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,789 happened and I asked the jury to you 940 00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:20,619 know please you know don't kill my son 941 00:57:20,619 --> 00:57:26,770 just please don't kill my son they never 942 00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:29,829 had a chance he didn't have a father I 943 00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:32,230 told him that you know he did I was 944 00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:34,779 never there and his mother was a you 945 00:57:34,779 --> 00:57:35,980 know single mother with four children 946 00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:41,529 and and she had handicaps she's on 947 00:57:41,529 --> 00:57:43,569 disability most of that time she was 948 00:57:43,569 --> 00:57:47,049 living on disability and so they they 949 00:57:47,049 --> 00:57:48,549 really didn't they lived off food stamps 950 00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:53,020 and you know HUD housing and that type 951 00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:59,230 of thing and he really he really had a 952 00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:04,390 real poor life growing up I just asked 953 00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,970 him not to kill my son it wasn't his 954 00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:07,390 fault 955 00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:09,970 I wished I could I wish that I could 956 00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:12,339 take the time his time I wish I could 957 00:58:12,339 --> 00:58:14,950 cause I feel like it's my fault 958 00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:19,540 I really do I feel like it's 959 00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:22,700 I'm as much as fault as he is because if 960 00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,160 I'd have been there it quite possibly 961 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,680 maybe not but but it might possibly been 962 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,350 different he had a better chance you 963 00:58:30,350 --> 00:58:31,930 know he'd had a whole lot better chance 964 00:58:31,930 --> 00:58:33,830 if I'd have been there helping his 965 00:58:33,830 --> 00:58:37,580 mother raised him but I wasn't the jury 966 00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:40,280 got up to leave and the door was right 967 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,880 here to my right and as the door closed 968 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,000 behind them I heard two ladies break 969 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,700 down I'm I'm real emotional and I'm 970 00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,280 crying through the whole thing but as 971 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,990 they went through that door in the door 972 00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:57,530 closed I heard two ladies break down 973 00:58:57,530 --> 00:59:04,250 crying they broke down and then when it 974 00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:06,500 was all over and his lawyer come talk to 975 00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:09,500 me he said I remember that his words he 976 00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:14,300 said you got him you're safe too you go 977 00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:18,070 I said what do you mean he said you got 978 00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:21,050 that's where that's what safe there was 979 00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:24,020 two votes it was ten to two and there 980 00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:28,550 was two votes that voted not to kill him 981 00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:30,560 and I think those were the two ladies 982 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160 right there and they're the ones that 983 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,720 saved his life but you can be proud of 984 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,380 this moment 985 00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:48,980 that's some help too god help me he did 986 00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:51,410 I asked God to help me and I think he 987 00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:53,619 did 988 00:59:55,369 --> 00:59:59,749 I didn't deserve any help for him he may 989 00:59:59,749 --> 01:00:03,710 not deserve the help but we got it from 990 01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:06,039 someplace 991 01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:13,170 the hardest part was to look at a friend 992 01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:15,000 to look at me and I seen that he was 993 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,610 sincere that he really was sorry for no 994 01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:18,920 what he had done throughout my childhood 995 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,330 and he had been in prison I don't blame 996 01:00:21,330 --> 01:00:23,460 him for it but I've seen right there 997 01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:25,260 that he understood that it did affect us 998 01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:27,870 and I cried that one day that was it the 999 01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:30,240 whole child even after conviction the 1000 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,040 only thing that hurt me was my dad 1001 01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:38,790 whenever I went back and testified his 1002 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:40,560 brother went back and testified to his 1003 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,640 brother was in prison Chris and and and 1004 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,850 we mean Chris what came back to the 1005 01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:51,090 Diagnostics together and then and I'm 1006 01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:53,220 embarrassed but all three it was we had 1007 01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:56,190 Thanksgiving together correct me and 1008 01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:59,520 Chris and Jason over at the Diagnostics 1009 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:06,960 unit you know you know they they think 1010 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,940 that's kind of cool but I as a father I 1011 01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:10,320 thought that was pretty embarrassing to 1012 01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,850 be sitting there in prison with my son's 1013 01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:14,220 older if they mean cos they're a did yes 1014 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:14,640 sir 1015 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,830 did me and Jason went on over to the 1016 01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:18,930 next place together handcuffed together 1017 01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:21,060 in the bus and that's something that 1018 01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:22,920 I've never in my life would ever dreamed 1019 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,530 dreamed of that would have happened that 1020 01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:30,600 that same little baby that was you you 1021 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,280 have to hold him down and take bone 1022 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,350 marrow test out of the same little six 1023 01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:37,140 pound baby described feeling to me when 1024 01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:40,080 you're handcuffed together with your own 1025 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,440 son in the same bus scene can you 1026 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,610 describe that no not really 1027 01:01:46,610 --> 01:01:50,690 try to describe us 1028 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,690 well I don't know I just felt like a 1029 01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:56,710 total failure 1030 01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:59,950 total failure there's a father and you 1031 01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:03,820 could feel his head cooked in this head 1032 01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:06,430 and his right hand and we were sitting 1033 01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:10,180 there and you know I was just it was 1034 01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:12,100 just total failure that's what I felt 1035 01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:16,180 like I felt like crap you know and I 1036 01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:17,740 used a different word to the jury and 1037 01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:21,640 that's me and that's what I meant you 1038 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,070 know he had trash for a father and and 1039 01:02:24,070 --> 01:02:26,500 then here I was sitting with with my 1040 01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:30,550 baby son on a prison bus and I mean I 1041 01:02:30,550 --> 01:02:31,930 don't think it I don't think it gets 1042 01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:34,750 much lower than that you know you just 1043 01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:37,110 don't 1044 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,400 knowing me or him neither one will ever 1045 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,740 you know get out again I just got a 1046 01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:49,590 3-year set off again about a week ago so 1047 01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:52,090 when they're near him I'll never get out 1048 01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:56,500 again and to me he ever kept out again I 1049 01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:57,310 don't think so 1050 01:02:57,310 --> 01:02:59,320 he comes up for parole the first time in 1051 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,780 in 1942 the first 40 years after his 1052 01:03:04,780 --> 01:03:10,050 conviction yes sir 1941 I'm sorry yes 1053 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:17,620 20:41 your century back I'm sorry 1054 01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:20,790 well doesn't matter it's time myself 1055 01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:23,470 time is probably different for you in 1056 01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:26,130 here yes 1057 01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,580 this is actually the vehicle that was in 1058 01:04:24,580 --> 01:04:26,920 Sandra Stotler garage this was the 1059 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,130 vehicle that Michael Perry and Jason 1060 01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:33,070 Burkett was was after three people died 1061 01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:36,010 for this car a car that was in their 1062 01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:38,500 possession for less than 72 hours I 1063 01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:43,780 believe within a couple of years I mean 1064 01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:46,359 this vehicle was just trashed the inside 1065 01:04:46,359 --> 01:04:48,070 of it because there was actually a tree 1066 01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:49,780 that it rooted and had come up through 1067 01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,099 the center of it and it tore the 1068 01:04:51,099 --> 01:04:53,560 floorboard up and whenever we actually 1069 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,950 had to move it the over to this lot it 1070 01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:58,210 was a little bit difficult because of 1071 01:04:58,210 --> 01:05:01,480 that a tree grew inside the tree grew up 1072 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,640 from the bottom up into Sun and up into 1073 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:04,680 the car 1074 01:05:09,229 --> 01:05:13,529 why did they die I asked myself that 1075 01:05:13,529 --> 01:05:19,499 question every day I mean for a vehicle 1076 01:05:19,499 --> 01:05:24,390 you know I I don't know I don't know 1077 01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:26,160 people die everyday over giving people a 1078 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,670 dirty look or you know $2.00 people 1079 01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:32,339 brought each other and I don't know I 1080 01:05:32,339 --> 01:05:34,519 don't know why they died the greed of 1081 01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:37,920 these two boys I don't know I don't I 1082 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,289 don't have an answer can you speak about 1083 01:05:40,289 --> 01:05:46,170 a family of victims nobody seems to 1084 01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:51,869 address that side and I don't how do you 1085 01:05:51,869 --> 01:05:54,900 live with all this I didn't for a while 1086 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:58,079 I'm starting to live again but basically 1087 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,910 I just shut down Montgomery County has a 1088 01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:08,309 victims assistance program but when you 1089 01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:09,989 when your whole family is ripped from 1090 01:06:09,989 --> 01:06:12,690 you you you know you're kind of like 1091 01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:14,609 what's the point what's the point of 1092 01:06:14,609 --> 01:06:16,079 living anymore I don't have a family to 1093 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,059 share it with and I know I have to live 1094 01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:19,619 it for my children to raise my children 1095 01:06:19,619 --> 01:06:21,180 I don't want them to have a miserable 1096 01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:23,880 life or have a depressed mother all the 1097 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,229 time but for about four years I didn't 1098 01:06:28,229 --> 01:06:33,449 go anywhere stay in the house take the 1099 01:06:33,449 --> 01:06:35,009 phone out of the home I don't like to 1100 01:06:35,009 --> 01:06:37,199 talk to people I've I figured if I don't 1101 01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:38,999 get close to anybody I don't know you 1102 01:06:38,999 --> 01:06:40,739 know I won't get hurt again I don't know 1103 01:06:40,739 --> 01:06:44,819 I just I just shut down really my 1104 01:06:44,819 --> 01:06:49,309 grandmother shut down our lives are 1105 01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:55,130 empty very empty very empty 1106 01:06:59,109 --> 01:07:02,060 that's Adam that was his fix yes he was 1107 01:07:02,060 --> 01:07:06,700 16 there was a last school picture 1108 01:07:18,550 --> 01:07:21,580 my mother my brother was my best friend 1109 01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:25,810 he was he was only 16 um 1110 01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:28,670 it is true that he is not my real 1111 01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,800 brother my sister whoops got pretty when 1112 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,340 she was 16 and my parents adopted him 1113 01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:36,560 and they were actually out of town the 1114 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,510 day he was born so I was the first one 1115 01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:42,440 to hold him and I just I had this 1116 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,000 feeling his whole life that something 1117 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,710 was gonna happen to him and I remember 1118 01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:47,540 calling my mother and saying you know 1119 01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:48,860 what's Adam doing where's Adam you need 1120 01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:50,210 to make sure y'all just moved up to Ohio 1121 01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:51,500 and make sure you're watching them and 1122 01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:52,940 my mom was like I've raised five 1123 01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:54,740 children I can take care of them and 1124 01:07:54,740 --> 01:07:58,190 when you get 16 I knew he was he was 1125 01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:59,930 good he was safe he was a man he'd be 1126 01:07:59,930 --> 01:08:03,140 able to take care of himself now he was 1127 01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:04,070 such a great kid 1128 01:08:04,070 --> 01:08:05,660 he was in love for the first time in his 1129 01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:21,080 life and one thing that sticks out for 1130 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,330 me 1131 01:08:22,330 --> 01:08:26,450 my mom always protected me one thing 1132 01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:29,990 that I remember I was supposed to get 1133 01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:32,840 married well I did get married September 1134 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,310 16th 1995 but my dad Mel he was a 1135 01:08:37,310 --> 01:08:39,260 preacher and he was supposed to marry me 1136 01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:41,960 and Kenneth he died six months before 1137 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,780 the wedding he was hit by a train and my 1138 01:08:44,780 --> 01:08:49,070 older brother and aunt a family dog and 1139 01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:53,420 uh so we got I refused to get married in 1140 01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:55,490 a church so we got married on the boat 1141 01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,380 in Lake Conroe right as I was walking 1142 01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:59,600 out that I want to walking out the door 1143 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,910 to go down the aisle my mother pinned my 1144 01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:05,540 dad's wedding ring inside my dress right 1145 01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:07,100 over my heart and she said I didn't want 1146 01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:10,160 your dad to miss this and you know that 1147 01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,500 just you loved her yes I know she was 1148 01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:18,470 saying so much pain that day but she hid 1149 01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:22,760 it because I was so happy she had her 1150 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,650 pain for me you know she's she's made it 1151 01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:30,040 through the day 1152 01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:36,650 our family's just so incomplete so 1153 01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:43,010 incomplete you know sometimes my kids 1154 01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:46,040 will ask me things oh I wonder what my 1155 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,470 mom you know there's things at all times 1156 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:50,090 of day and night I want to call an ass 1157 01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:53,810 Kirk it took me forever to realize she 1158 01:09:53,810 --> 01:09:56,150 was really gone because I would want to 1159 01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:58,100 pick up the phone and call her and is 1160 01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:03,970 this why you got rid of her film yes I I 1161 01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:09,350 did not want another phone call telling 1162 01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:12,830 me it's somebody else am I feeling it 1163 01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:17,860 I can't even list phone calls anymore I 1164 01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:22,000 couldn't handle him anymore so I just 1165 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:27,080 cut myself off from the world I can't I 1166 01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,210 can't have a phone I just don't like you 1167 01:10:29,210 --> 01:10:30,530 know firing anymore cuz all I never 1168 01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:34,970 brought me it was bad news the worst the 1169 01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:39,050 works is that yeah you had to face it 1170 01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:40,780 yeah 1171 01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:43,780 well you know it's just I mean not only 1172 01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:46,920 did I lose my mother and my father and 1173 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,680 my brother to tragic circumstances I 1174 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,450 mean my grandfather had a stroke my 1175 01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:54,970 uncle hung himself my other uncle had a 1176 01:10:54,970 --> 01:10:57,460 heroin overdose my step-brother shot 1177 01:10:57,460 --> 01:10:59,800 himself because he had pancreatic cancer 1178 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,260 my real father died in his sleep all 1179 01:11:02,260 --> 01:11:04,180 this was in six years a six year period 1180 01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:09,720 I lost everyone in my family everybody 1181 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,190 mr. Burkett if you'll close the eyes and 1182 01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:59,429 you think about a different life and it 1183 01:11:59,429 --> 01:12:04,170 could start all over how would you raise 1184 01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:08,390 the children well 1185 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,100 it's hard to answer something that 1186 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,040 you've never done and you know 1187 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,800 embarrassing embarrassing to say that 1188 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,650 but but I know when I was like I would 1189 01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:26,200 like to them have did what I had a 1190 01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,510 scholarship to the University of Texas 1191 01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:32,200 in 1973 in football and I quit school in 1192 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,120 my senior year quit football and quit 1193 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,990 school and lost then and and I wish I 1194 01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:40,660 could go back to right there yes go back 1195 01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:42,580 to right there and no you have the 1196 01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:45,280 children then I had the children and I 1197 01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,070 and I would have a hook I would have 1198 01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:51,310 done everything in my power to to help 1199 01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:55,030 them finish school like I did and I 1200 01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:57,490 always tell them don't be like me well I 1201 01:12:57,490 --> 01:13:00,160 wish I wish I would have been something 1202 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,840 they could have been and I wish they 1203 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,970 could have finished school I wish we 1204 01:13:03,970 --> 01:13:05,770 could have played baseball like I did 1205 01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:07,930 when I was little little in Little 1206 01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:09,490 League I wish that we could have played 1207 01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:10,270 baseball 1208 01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:13,270 two of them did for like one time I wish 1209 01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:15,460 we could have played baseball and I 1210 01:13:15,460 --> 01:13:16,780 wished I could've went to their football 1211 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:22,630 games and I raised a steer in in school 1212 01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:24,880 for FFA I wish they could have did that 1213 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,740 we lived in the country that's what I 1214 01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:30,760 wish we could go back all of us and go 1215 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,490 to school school events I got to watch 1216 01:13:33,490 --> 01:13:35,350 one of my son's play the horn one time 1217 01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:37,660 in school and that's the stuff that I 1218 01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:41,590 remember that's the good stuff and this 1219 01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:43,860 all wouldn't have happened 1220 01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:04,410 you 1221 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,900 I want to say this on the record I'm not 1222 01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:18,730 saying that my husband was a Boy Scout 1223 01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:20,590 I'm not saying that Jason Burkett did 1224 01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:22,449 absolutely had no knowledge and was like 1225 01:14:22,449 --> 01:14:24,550 selling cookies or raising money for 1226 01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:28,420 camp when that happened I'm saying that 1227 01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:33,159 Jason did not kill one two or three 1228 01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:33,730 people 1229 01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:36,909 Sandra Jeremy and Adam were not killed 1230 01:14:36,909 --> 01:14:42,909 by Jason and you asked your husband you 1231 01:14:42,909 --> 01:14:46,540 asked Jason point-blank can you tell me 1232 01:14:46,540 --> 01:14:48,310 what what happened because he wanted to 1233 01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:51,340 make sure what did you ask him 1234 01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:54,880 I've asked Jason multiple times to tell 1235 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,560 me everything that I need to know I said 1236 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,630 Jason Jason doesn't have a whole lot of 1237 01:14:58,630 --> 01:15:00,969 money so we do most of his stuff pro se 1238 01:15:00,969 --> 01:15:03,449 which is where we file it ourselves and 1239 01:15:03,449 --> 01:15:06,130 me and his father have pretty much done 1240 01:15:06,130 --> 01:15:09,820 his appeal and I've always asked him I 1241 01:15:09,820 --> 01:15:11,949 need to know everything you can tell me 1242 01:15:11,949 --> 01:15:15,010 don't you get home and that's basically 1243 01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:16,630 how we start our conversations and Jason 1244 01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:20,110 will recall things and it you know more 1245 01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:21,940 and more it's like been a snowball that 1246 01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:23,830 I picked up exactly what I think 1247 01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:27,690 happened yeah India told he was innocent 1248 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:31,060 yes and you do believe him 1249 01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:34,870 I do believe him I like I said I believe 1250 01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:37,630 that Jason had involvement I don't 1251 01:15:37,630 --> 01:15:38,860 believe he killed three people 1252 01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:43,449 I wrote Jason for maybe two years before 1253 01:15:43,449 --> 01:15:45,310 I went to meet him because really I 1254 01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:46,540 could do most of the stuff through the 1255 01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:48,550 mail and one day I was talking to his 1256 01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:51,460 mother and she said something to the 1257 01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:53,469 effect of you'll never guess what Jason 1258 01:15:53,469 --> 01:15:55,510 said to me today and I said what and she 1259 01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:57,909 said he told me that he was in love with 1260 01:15:57,909 --> 01:16:02,340 you and I said that's crazy 1261 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:05,710 and I remember to give it like the 1262 01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:07,780 priest story I was with my best friend 1263 01:16:07,780 --> 01:16:09,340 and when I hung up I said my best 1264 01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:12,489 friend's cat I was like cat Jason 1265 01:16:12,489 --> 01:16:14,560 Burkett's in love with me she goes 1266 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,820 that's probably pretty good cuz you're 1267 01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:18,610 in love with him too and I said what are 1268 01:16:18,610 --> 01:16:20,020 you talking about having an idiot you 1269 01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:20,290 know 1270 01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:23,170 and she said dude when is the last time 1271 01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:25,600 you've been on a date when's lost and we 1272 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:26,500 haven't spent a Saturday 1273 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,970 night with Jason Burkett's court 1274 01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:30,700 paperwork I was like hey that smells 1275 01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:33,340 nice but I ended up driving I lived in 1276 01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:35,140 Nebraska time I ended up driving from 1277 01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:38,170 Omaha to Abilene because I wanted him to 1278 01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:40,570 tell me himself and he was out the 1279 01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:42,970 Robertson unit you were two days into 1280 01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:47,020 night strange yes I drove it it seemed 1281 01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:49,450 like unless - I drove a night I got 1282 01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:51,400 there and I remember I just asked him 1283 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,600 like that was the first thing I said I 1284 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,490 was like hot we've never seen each other 1285 01:16:54,490 --> 01:16:56,890 in our lives but hi your mom told me 1286 01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:58,930 that you're in love with me but I didn't 1287 01:16:58,930 --> 01:17:00,460 say it I wanted to be coy so I said your 1288 01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:01,960 mom told me you told her something and 1289 01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,120 visit I said what did you tell her and 1290 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,510 he said I need stamps and I was like I 1291 01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:09,040 wouldn't be an Abilene cuz you need 1292 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,080 stamps right what are you don't play 1293 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,270 games with me and he goes oh that part 1294 01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:15,120 where I said I was in love with you and 1295 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,680 then I dropped the phone cuz I was 1296 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,060 nervous and I didn't know what to say 1297 01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:20,980 and I kind of fumbled through that whole 1298 01:17:20,980 --> 01:17:22,570 visit because I didn't immediately go I 1299 01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:24,700 love you too I wasn't you know like a 1300 01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:27,460 movie I was very nervous I'm not that 1301 01:17:27,460 --> 01:17:28,960 girl that falls in love with an inmate 1302 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,860 and I was like okay I'm just gonna be 1303 01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:35,410 cool with it and then when I left the 1304 01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:38,020 day I met Jason there was a rainbow and 1305 01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:39,850 I'm not this is true it's in our letters 1306 01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:41,440 there was a rainbow that went from one 1307 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,900 gate side of the gate to the other side 1308 01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:46,330 of the gate and I thought that was the 1309 01:17:46,330 --> 01:17:49,090 most miraculous sign that this is this 1310 01:17:49,090 --> 01:17:50,650 is the boy that I'm supposed to be with 1311 01:17:50,650 --> 01:17:52,800 him this is he isn't innocent because 1312 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,530 how many times you see a whole rainbow 1313 01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:59,860 and when we saw a whole rainbow and my 1314 01:17:59,860 --> 01:18:01,450 friends with me he saw the rainbow - I 1315 01:18:01,450 --> 01:18:04,150 have a witness and when Jason when I got 1316 01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:06,610 home I had a letter waiting for me and I 1317 01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:08,890 said did you see the rainbow at the 1318 01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:11,980 gates of the prison he went from one 1319 01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:13,660 side my side on the outside to the 1320 01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:15,810 inside 1321 01:18:30,849 --> 01:18:34,239 I believe in me you know I know what I 1322 01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:36,670 know what happened back in 2001 I know 1323 01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:38,590 that I wasn't a part of it and I believe 1324 01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:41,650 strongly in in my faith in my attorneys 1325 01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:43,300 and in the outcome but at the same time 1326 01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:44,710 I don't even recognize these walls I 1327 01:18:44,710 --> 01:18:45,969 don't pay attention to this because if 1328 01:18:45,969 --> 01:18:46,869 you do you're gonna lose your mind 1329 01:18:46,869 --> 01:18:48,280 you're gonna you're gonna go you're 1330 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:49,840 gonna you're gonna lose your mind I'm 1331 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,280 recently another guy just killed himself 1332 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,790 the other day and he left a note saying 1333 01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:56,380 that y'all have to live around all this 1334 01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:59,829 craziness and I'm gone and that's 1335 01:18:59,829 --> 01:19:01,329 because he was focusing on it but I 1336 01:19:01,329 --> 01:19:02,980 don't I don't focus on it 1337 01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:06,340 you know I just I just distract myself I 1338 01:19:06,340 --> 01:19:07,929 stay busy I work on my case I have a 1339 01:19:07,929 --> 01:19:10,420 great family a lot of supporters that 1340 01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:13,090 help me so um I have enough distractions 1341 01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:14,650 if I didn't have enough distraction I 1342 01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:17,530 might be in a different position at how 1343 01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:19,719 does time occur to you know in your 1344 01:19:19,719 --> 01:19:22,829 situation Wow and so that's a good thing 1345 01:19:22,829 --> 01:19:27,130 it really varies but you know because I 1346 01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:29,020 like I'll forget I'll literally forget 1347 01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:30,940 and then I'll look at my calendar I'll 1348 01:19:30,940 --> 01:19:32,590 hear someone say something about Hannah 1349 01:19:32,590 --> 01:19:34,840 and I'll sit back and I'll just stare at 1350 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,280 the wall and I'll be like man say eight 1351 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,679 days seven days six days or whatever and 1352 01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:41,770 it's like it's just I I must not be 1353 01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:43,239 comprehending the fact that it's that 1354 01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:44,920 close because you know it's hard for me 1355 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,780 to say you know what I got talked to be 1356 01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:48,579 you know in the eight days these people 1357 01:19:48,579 --> 01:19:50,440 want to murder me and it's just 1358 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,989 something that it's hard for me too hard 1359 01:19:52,989 --> 01:19:54,010 for me to believe that the state of 1360 01:19:54,010 --> 01:19:58,050 Texas wants to murder me in eight days 1361 01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:01,780 in West case in area you know exactly 1362 01:20:01,780 --> 01:20:05,409 what is going to happen on July 1st yeah 1363 01:20:05,409 --> 01:20:08,619 an execution you will be transported to 1364 01:20:08,619 --> 01:20:11,320 Huntsville right the walls in bits of 1365 01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,139 this house yes sir and you will be 1366 01:20:14,139 --> 01:20:17,469 checked by a medical examiner I don't 1367 01:20:17,469 --> 01:20:19,000 know no no medical people can be 1368 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,610 involved I think they have to check you 1369 01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:24,219 that you are fit to be executed it's one 1370 01:20:24,219 --> 01:20:27,010 of them it might be it's one of these 1371 01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:29,139 absurdities if you're unconscious for 1372 01:20:29,139 --> 01:20:31,960 example you cannot be executed yeah if 1373 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,550 you're stark mad yeah that is true if 1374 01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:38,530 you're bleeding from a gunshot wound 1375 01:20:38,530 --> 01:20:39,640 they would not 1376 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:44,770 put you onto the gurney all right 1377 01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:46,180 they gotta treat me first and then kill 1378 01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:50,560 me yeah that's that's kind of crazy to 1379 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:57,880 think about right yeah I just I just 1380 01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,500 can't allow myself to think like I can't 1381 01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,760 even picture myself laying on a gurney 1382 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,130 but if it happens I'll have to deal with 1383 01:21:03,130 --> 01:21:05,500 it huh you know I have to deal with it 1384 01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,840 and I'll be able to watch over my mom 1385 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,720 from heaven with a clear conscience and 1386 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,000 be at peace you know like I said for a 1387 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,040 long time my life has been unhappy so 1388 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,880 finally I can find me some peace huh and 1389 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,330 you're at peace with yourself now took a 1390 01:21:22,330 --> 01:21:25,480 long time yes absolutely did took a long 1391 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:28,060 time to realize what a man was I was act 1392 01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:29,140 there acting like a child 1393 01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:31,060 act like a child when I got here at 1394 01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,990 first but uh I'm confident in Who I am 1395 01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:40,570 now Mac you parry 1396 01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:44,490 I wish you all the best yes thank you I 1397 01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:47,140 don't know what's gonna happen at we're 1398 01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:50,080 gonna see we're gonna find out I'll find 1399 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,710 out on Monday 1400 01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:15,970 they knew what I was telling them no 1401 01:22:15,970 --> 01:22:18,790 true I mean I'm not gonna tell 1402 01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:21,760 you anything but I'm gonna tell you 1403 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,940 everything snow hat back here 1404 01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:27,070 four o'clock guys gonna come in here and 1405 01:22:27,070 --> 01:22:30,220 they're gonna fingerprint you shortly 1406 01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,680 after that I was gonna lie to you to 1407 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,890 take a shower and then we're gonna put 1408 01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:38,410 you in Free World clothes that you get 1409 01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:40,390 you dress in Free World clothes free 1410 01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:42,310 wore clothes would be too close you and 1411 01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:46,420 I would wear if I had six like whatever 1412 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:48,280 your your request for the last meal 1413 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,810 they'll bring it in 1414 01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:51,820 you know you'll sit there and eat your 1415 01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:55,390 last meal during that time if you need 1416 01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:59,560 anything else just ask you know need 1417 01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,280 some more geez Ponce or whatever else we 1418 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,100 got back here just ask their own day 1419 01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,200 sometimes it has strange requests you 1420 01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,240 know within reason I'm gonna get it for 1421 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,880 you requests or one one man I sure like 1422 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,860 to smoke a doobie right now well that's 1423 01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:25,600 not gonna happen you know the guy with 1424 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,580 the key he opens the door 1425 01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:29,440 it's Winston's adorable there's another 1426 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,210 correction also behind him and another 1427 01:23:31,210 --> 01:23:35,080 behind me soon as he does he follows me 1428 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,660 in then the other correction officers 1429 01:23:37,660 --> 01:23:39,910 followed right in behind them so to be 1430 01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:41,680 two in front of in front of they mate 1431 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,360 and then the other three right behind 1432 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:43,840 him 1433 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,780 I tell him jump up on the gurney or so 1434 01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:48,820 then our automatic only a few steps from 1435 01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:53,020 this end if I would say no more than ten 1436 01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:56,670 steps at that much 1437 01:23:56,670 --> 01:24:00,390 I would immediately go rancid 1438 01:24:00,390 --> 01:24:02,429 occurrences I always took care of the 1439 01:24:02,429 --> 01:24:05,370 left leg so as soon as he laid down I 1440 01:24:05,370 --> 01:24:07,949 took their left leg the other person was 1441 01:24:07,949 --> 01:24:10,080 in front with me would take care of the 1442 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,160 right the three didn't fell in behind 1443 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,080 one would take care of the the right arm 1444 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,070 I will take care of the left arm and the 1445 01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:23,160 other one would be there in case they 1446 01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,219 may once he legs down if he had a 1447 01:24:26,219 --> 01:24:28,530 response to tried to get back to up his 1448 01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:30,449 job was to hold to hold his shoulders 1449 01:24:30,449 --> 01:24:33,510 down you know you know what you're up 1450 01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:37,290 there you're up there you know within 1451 01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:39,690 that time us four people would have him 1452 01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:42,540 done probably within about 15 seconds 1453 01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:45,690 he'd be strapped down that couldn't cuz 1454 01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:47,460 we all knew exactly where straps were 1455 01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:50,820 what was possible that time to the 1456 01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:56,239 process we trained on it 1457 01:24:56,590 --> 01:24:59,780 so last time you're gonna see I'm gonna 1458 01:24:59,780 --> 01:25:02,239 see him where his eyes open because 1459 01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,449 after the execution is done and the 1460 01:25:04,449 --> 01:25:07,070 process went and then they told the 1461 01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:12,320 doctor in to pronounce him dead you 1462 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,239 netted about at least my job begins 1463 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,120 again because I have to go back in there 1464 01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,420 and that's that's awful 1465 01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:23,000 also kind of difficult because here you 1466 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,850 sit with this individual eight to ten 1467 01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:32,300 hours all day long and now the last 1468 01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:34,850 thing you're doing is removing those 1469 01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:38,120 straps the stress had to be roof and put 1470 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,710 them on another gurney for the funeral 1471 01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:44,060 home and then you thought he didn't 1472 01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:45,949 think about none of this why are you 1473 01:25:45,949 --> 01:25:49,190 doing this the procedure there are none 1474 01:25:49,190 --> 01:25:53,060 of this you don't keep you don't put 1475 01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:55,580 those emotions out there do you did you 1476 01:25:55,580 --> 01:26:01,640 did the job go home you did tell many 1477 01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:08,810 executions roughly they was over 125 120 1478 01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:10,640 somewhere over hundred twenty there was 1479 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,890 a bunch was that to the point or 1480 01:26:12,890 --> 01:26:14,929 especially after I'd sometimes I 1481 01:26:14,929 --> 01:26:17,900 promoted to captain in 90 where we're 1482 01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:22,460 doing two a week that was getting 1483 01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:28,090 tiresome in what happened to you then I 1484 01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:34,580 back when they when they brought in 1485 01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:37,520 taller face I stayed back there with her 1486 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,290 now definitely there was the first 1487 01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:45,830 female there we were fixes to execute 1488 01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:51,110 I remember one thing so vividly that it 1489 01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:53,929 was an hour before and I was standing 1490 01:26:53,929 --> 01:26:56,060 there in the chaplain Center and she 1491 01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:57,860 looked at me she knows Thank You captain 1492 01:26:57,860 --> 01:26:59,150 Allen for everything you've done 1493 01:26:59,150 --> 01:27:04,909 oh so you're welcome you know I saw like 1494 01:27:04,909 --> 01:27:07,639 he'll say and what else what else I'm 1495 01:27:07,639 --> 01:27:09,110 gonna say 1496 01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:14,170 you down another hour which we went 1497 01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:16,909 precision everything went just wave was 1498 01:27:16,909 --> 01:27:20,000 supposed to you know she was pronounced 1499 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,440 dead and went back in there and I took 1500 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,989 the girl took straps off put her you 1501 01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:25,699 know journey and this dog we locked 1502 01:27:25,699 --> 01:27:28,219 everything up and one of our business 1503 01:27:28,219 --> 01:27:31,340 and and everything was fine I had a 1504 01:27:31,340 --> 01:27:33,710 little shop in the back it was six 1505 01:27:33,710 --> 01:27:35,600 o'clock and the news come on over the 1506 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,119 radio and started again and for some 1507 01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:43,190 reason just out of the blue I heard it 1508 01:27:43,190 --> 01:27:49,010 they triggered me seeing her hurt and I 1509 01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,409 start shaking oh what's wrong and then 1510 01:27:51,409 --> 01:27:56,960 it was it was it was a shake it was a 1511 01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,690 shake like I couldn't why am i shaking 1512 01:27:59,690 --> 01:28:02,210 it and then I was just see my I was 1513 01:28:02,210 --> 01:28:06,980 sweaty and in tears also and this this 1514 01:28:06,980 --> 01:28:11,780 is hurt I remembered her and it's two 1515 01:28:11,780 --> 01:28:13,760 days afterwards I remembered her 1516 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,739 execution hers wasn't no different 1517 01:28:15,739 --> 01:28:20,449 anybody else but it was hers and then I 1518 01:28:20,449 --> 01:28:24,469 started actually visualizing the other 1519 01:28:24,469 --> 01:28:29,150 inmates as you asked me did you look at 1520 01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:31,280 in their eyes I wonder if I could see 1521 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,409 them I could actually see him in the 1522 01:28:33,409 --> 01:28:37,760 holding cell again you know one right 1523 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,630 after another and it seemed like it was 1524 01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:46,100 just my wife what's wrong with you and I 1525 01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:49,250 don't know and he talked somebody and 1526 01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:51,020 the first person I could think of was 1527 01:28:51,020 --> 01:28:54,739 Terrell Chaplin picking any time over 1528 01:28:54,739 --> 01:28:57,350 house and we said how old Swain and I 1529 01:28:57,350 --> 01:29:01,850 started coming down tonight what's wrong 1530 01:29:01,850 --> 01:29:04,820 and I told him and then I looked at 1531 01:29:04,820 --> 01:29:08,080 careless I can't do no more that's it 1532 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,770 I'm done I can't I can't go back there 1533 01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:13,690 anymore 1534 01:29:13,690 --> 01:29:17,150 could it be that you thought that this 1535 01:29:17,150 --> 01:29:20,210 was not yourself but maybe it was a real 1536 01:29:20,210 --> 01:29:21,430 self 1537 01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:27,890 that moment has real possibility that's 1538 01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:32,290 really deep inside of just came out 1539 01:29:32,290 --> 01:29:37,700 that's a good very I mean that's coming 1540 01:29:37,700 --> 01:29:40,910 from that point on I mean I've had a 1541 01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:44,360 different outlook in life if executions 1542 01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,880 was the law then I was going to make 1543 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,430 sure there was done professionally with 1544 01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:54,190 integrity after Karla and I was a pro 1545 01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:58,580 capital punishment after Karla Fame 1546 01:29:58,580 --> 01:30:01,820 after all this until this day eleven 1547 01:30:01,820 --> 01:30:08,600 years later no sir I don't nobody has 1548 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,100 the right to tell you another life I 1549 01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:15,620 don't care if it's the law and it's so 1550 01:30:15,620 --> 01:30:18,880 easy to change the law 1551 01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:47,640 I don't want to sound like a evil person 1552 01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,410 but I'm so glad I went to the execution 1553 01:30:50,410 --> 01:30:53,320 I really am I thought with my with 1554 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,170 myself about going I reserved this the 1555 01:30:56,170 --> 01:31:00,940 seat so I could be there but I'm glad I 1556 01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:02,590 went I'm really glad I went 1557 01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:05,710 it really did something to me yeah what 1558 01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:11,020 did he do I don't know I don't know what 1559 01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:14,770 I don't know what happened but I 1560 01:31:14,770 --> 01:31:17,230 immediately after the execution I felt 1561 01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:20,320 like a that's saying a huge weight had 1562 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,230 been lifted I actually could take a deep 1563 01:31:23,230 --> 01:31:29,280 breath my heart didn't take as much 1564 01:31:29,739 --> 01:31:32,860 I remember walking in and thinking this 1565 01:31:32,860 --> 01:31:35,349 looks like a boy I hadn't built this 1566 01:31:35,349 --> 01:31:40,679 huge monster evil you know murdering 1567 01:31:40,679 --> 01:31:43,929 monster in my head and he he was just a 1568 01:31:43,929 --> 01:31:47,980 boy he was just a boy lighting all that 1569 01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:50,309 gurney 1570 01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:02,300 when I walked in he looked at me and he 1571 01:32:02,300 --> 01:32:04,099 looked away and he did a double-take 1572 01:32:04,099 --> 01:32:06,320 same thing Jason Burkett did in court I 1573 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,780 look like my mom I look a lot like my 1574 01:32:08,780 --> 01:32:13,820 mother and what did you say he forgave 1575 01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:19,369 us he forgave us yeah and I was upset 1576 01:32:19,369 --> 01:32:21,739 when I walked in and I was crying 1577 01:32:21,739 --> 01:32:23,659 you know we're holding my whole family 1578 01:32:23,659 --> 01:32:26,630 we didn't want to see someone die you 1579 01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:28,729 know that no one should have to do go 1580 01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:31,219 through that but we were there for my 1581 01:32:31,219 --> 01:32:34,190 mother you know when my brother and we 1582 01:32:34,190 --> 01:32:36,380 were crying and when he said he forgave 1583 01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:38,869 us put what for the atrocity brought 1584 01:32:38,869 --> 01:32:41,530 against him 1585 01:32:49,790 --> 01:32:53,830 and then he said he's ready to go I 1586 01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:59,660 heard his mother cry and they gave him 1587 01:32:59,660 --> 01:33:05,000 the injection he gasped for air four 1588 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:21,470 times I watched his shirt don't you know 1589 01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:22,700 it's heart being on shirt 1590 01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:26,540 I watched it till it stopped then it 1591 01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,240 stopped at 6:14 one tear fell down as I 1592 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:33,550 one tear and he was gone 1593 01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:43,880 and it was over and prospect of someone 1594 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,680 who is going to be locked away for life 1595 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,550 without parole would that satisfy you as 1596 01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:52,190 yes so it would be definitely an 1597 01:33:52,190 --> 01:33:58,070 alternative because death penalty sounds 1598 01:33:58,070 --> 01:34:00,260 a little bit too much like Old Testament 1599 01:34:00,260 --> 01:34:04,580 the wrath of God Jesus probably would 1600 01:34:04,580 --> 01:34:10,940 not have been at that look at us but 1601 01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:15,640 some people just don't deserve to live 1602 01:34:16,570 --> 01:34:19,490 can I say something please I know I'm 1603 01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:23,950 July the furthest my name they executed 1604 01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:29,030 Michael and I knew Michael pretty well 1605 01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:31,700 yeah and I kept up with I have another 1606 01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:34,490 four kind of clipping and website thing 1607 01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:36,950 I have on him and Jason I have like a 1608 01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:39,890 whole Locker box full so I know as much 1609 01:34:39,890 --> 01:34:42,830 about him as is anybody in my in Mike 1610 01:34:42,830 --> 01:34:45,740 Michael was just just like Jason they 1611 01:34:45,740 --> 01:34:49,250 were both young and whatever they did or 1612 01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:51,370 didn't do I don't know I wasn't there 1613 01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:55,700 but Michael was just was just a young 1614 01:34:55,700 --> 01:34:58,069 young kid and 1615 01:34:58,069 --> 01:35:02,269 and I know he I know when they executed 1616 01:35:02,269 --> 01:35:04,760 him I know how I know his less words and 1617 01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,149 everything else and and and I know I 1618 01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:09,519 know 1619 01:35:09,519 --> 01:35:14,599 by executing Michael I don't think it 1620 01:35:14,599 --> 01:35:17,030 brought any of those people back and I 1621 01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:19,729 don't think it deterred anything I don't 1622 01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:21,399 think it deterred anybody out there 1623 01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:23,839 much-publicized as it was he did not 1624 01:35:23,839 --> 01:35:25,909 deter anything and I really did not 1625 01:35:25,909 --> 01:35:27,619 believe that it solved anything by 1626 01:35:27,619 --> 01:35:30,979 taking another life and it hurt me but 1627 01:35:30,979 --> 01:35:32,929 when he went when it come time for his 1628 01:35:32,929 --> 01:35:35,089 execution I knew it was gonna be about 1629 01:35:35,089 --> 01:35:37,969 six o'clock it's six early a few minutes 1630 01:35:37,969 --> 01:35:40,789 after 6:00 p.m. and I was on my knees at 1631 01:35:40,789 --> 01:35:44,659 my bump in for Michael praying for 1632 01:35:44,659 --> 01:35:50,629 Michael and a feeling come over me about 1633 01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:52,969 ten five or ten minutes after 6:00 a 1634 01:35:52,969 --> 01:35:56,329 feeling come over me that's very very 1635 01:35:56,329 --> 01:35:59,149 hard to explain it was like I felt the 1636 01:35:59,149 --> 01:36:03,769 loss of what used to be my son's best 1637 01:36:03,769 --> 01:36:04,309 friend 1638 01:36:04,309 --> 01:36:07,760 I felt I felt that I felt that pain 1639 01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:13,669 whenever they killed him but I just wish 1640 01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:15,409 those family the family members would 1641 01:36:15,409 --> 01:36:18,139 know that I'm like that I am I heard for 1642 01:36:18,139 --> 01:36:21,319 their loss that's very importantly 1643 01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:23,389 Michael never never that's what upset 1644 01:36:23,389 --> 01:36:25,579 them because Michael never tried to 1645 01:36:25,579 --> 01:36:27,799 reach out to them I wish I could and say 1646 01:36:27,799 --> 01:36:30,249 I'm sorry 1647 01:37:39,929 --> 01:37:42,879 Melissa let me address one thing among 1648 01:37:42,879 --> 01:37:45,939 death row inmates there's such a 1649 01:37:45,939 --> 01:37:50,349 phenomenon like death row groupies the 1650 01:37:50,349 --> 01:37:54,939 same way rock stars have groupies and 1651 01:37:54,939 --> 01:37:57,609 you have seen women like that I have 1652 01:37:57,609 --> 01:37:59,589 seen women like that in fairness I've 1653 01:37:59,589 --> 01:38:01,209 also have seen women who are married to 1654 01:38:01,209 --> 01:38:04,149 death row inmates and truly committed 1655 01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:06,939 relationships that I believe are not 1656 01:38:06,939 --> 01:38:08,679 disingenuous and I believe come from 1657 01:38:08,679 --> 01:38:11,050 their heart you know some people are 1658 01:38:11,050 --> 01:38:12,729 just supposed to be together whether 1659 01:38:12,729 --> 01:38:15,459 there's a cage and lawmen between you I 1660 01:38:15,459 --> 01:38:18,129 believe that I mean I do believe that 1661 01:38:18,129 --> 01:38:19,989 there's a fair amount of women who want 1662 01:38:19,989 --> 01:38:22,119 attention who my media coverage to seek 1663 01:38:22,119 --> 01:38:25,030 out infamous men I mean like Scott 1664 01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:26,919 Peterson gets a hundred letters a day on 1665 01:38:26,919 --> 01:38:28,449 death row in California that's 1666 01:38:28,449 --> 01:38:30,959 ridiculous he murdered his pregnant wife 1667 01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:33,729 yes I said correct that case yeah a 1668 01:38:33,729 --> 01:38:35,439 good-looking man does that you know 1669 01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:40,379 however Jason is not an ugly man either 1670 01:38:40,379 --> 01:38:43,149 describe him to us please like 1671 01:38:43,149 --> 01:38:44,789 physically yes 1672 01:38:44,789 --> 01:38:48,489 you only have touched his hand describe 1673 01:38:48,489 --> 01:38:53,409 his hands to us they're a lot bigger 1674 01:38:53,409 --> 01:38:56,589 than mine right there are tiny hands he 1675 01:38:56,589 --> 01:38:59,559 always Jason he holds hands funny and he 1676 01:38:59,559 --> 01:39:01,989 always holds my hand like that as 1677 01:39:01,989 --> 01:39:04,239 opposed to intertwine so he holds on to 1678 01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,179 me and I just know that his hands were 1679 01:39:07,179 --> 01:39:11,289 massive because he wears a ring size 11 1680 01:39:11,289 --> 01:39:14,219 our wedding rings it's an 11 and a half 1681 01:39:14,219 --> 01:39:17,619 and I were a four so you can totally cup 1682 01:39:17,619 --> 01:39:19,859 my hand 1683 01:39:21,929 --> 01:39:24,219 where are you allowed to touch each 1684 01:39:24,219 --> 01:39:24,749 other 1685 01:39:24,749 --> 01:39:29,999 hardly each other exchanged rings 1686 01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:35,270 I still can't get a ring and you were 1687 01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:38,540 separated by a glass wall just like this 1688 01:39:38,540 --> 01:39:41,420 right here except for we had a phone and 1689 01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:42,920 it was solid right here it's not aglow 1690 01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,030 but when she comes for visits are you 1691 01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:50,270 allowed to hug her I am now after we 1692 01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:52,190 married I'm allowed to hug her I'm 1693 01:39:52,190 --> 01:39:53,810 allowed to give her a kiss before and 1694 01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:55,970 after visit we're allowed to hold hands 1695 01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:59,030 on the table and have contacted but of 1696 01:39:59,030 --> 01:40:01,520 course of course with the guards present 1697 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,690 as close as you are to me and you would 1698 01:40:05,690 --> 01:40:08,750 like to have children yes how would that 1699 01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:12,170 happen how what sort of option is there 1700 01:40:12,170 --> 01:40:15,680 I want 50 children she wants to saw man 1701 01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,360 we have to work on this 1702 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,690 I want children for different reasons I 1703 01:40:20,690 --> 01:40:23,500 want children with her specifically 1704 01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:25,790 because I love her I want to be with her 1705 01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:27,860 I want to give her something she'll 1706 01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:32,030 always have with me I'm under the 1707 01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:34,070 impression seeing you now that you 1708 01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:38,450 became pregnant only a few days after we 1709 01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:42,530 met your husband um you guys spent him 1710 01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:45,560 on the 18th of October I think so yeah 1711 01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,300 something like yeah I believe my baby 1712 01:40:47,300 --> 01:40:52,880 was made on the 23rd October right after 1713 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:58,670 we saw a house there to 24th you went 1714 01:40:58,670 --> 01:41:03,500 into action first speak 1715 01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:08,540 and the father of the baby is legally 1716 01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:12,190 will be chasing yes it is chasing 1717 01:41:12,190 --> 01:41:15,020 biologically legally I can't every 1718 01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:17,690 single sense since you are not allowed 1719 01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:21,860 to do more than touching hands how do 1720 01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:25,700 you become pregnant there's a mystery 1721 01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:28,910 yeah it's kind of a mystery um there is 1722 01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:30,200 people involved that I don't wanna 1723 01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:35,030 mention no we would not imply any anyone 1724 01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:40,070 but I have to speculate s such a thing 1725 01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:44,150 like contraband entering prisons like 1726 01:41:44,150 --> 01:41:47,690 let's say drugs cellphones illegal 1727 01:41:47,690 --> 01:41:51,200 messages there seems to be something the 1728 01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:52,340 other way round 1729 01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:55,670 contraband from the prison to the 1730 01:41:55,670 --> 01:42:00,140 outside and you became pregnant oh can 1731 01:42:00,140 --> 01:42:03,320 be formulated like this we we prefer to 1732 01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,300 say that I was artificially inseminated 1733 01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:23,150 do you have a name for the boy I love we 1734 01:42:23,150 --> 01:42:27,199 came up with Eastern Eastern Aran 1735 01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,600 okay shows I think there's a face can 1736 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,300 you point it out it's right there if you 1737 01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:35,480 actually can see it close enough you can 1738 01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:39,250 tell my baby has my strong job 1739 01:42:51,429 --> 01:42:53,679 you live on through your children and 1740 01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,439 the love that you put into them projects 1741 01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,320 to the world my parents are both gone 1742 01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,300 and I had this big hole in my heart and 1743 01:43:01,300 --> 01:43:04,570 I realized that what you do is you take 1744 01:43:04,570 --> 01:43:08,840 all of that love and you give it back 1745 01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:13,449 I mean nothing else matters 1746 01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:46,910 I actually have this shirt tacked up on 1747 01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:49,400 my walk can they see the shrimp can you 1748 01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,970 turn it around 1749 01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,760 I just make sure and somebody told me 1750 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:02,260 about the the live your - and that's 1751 01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:06,250 really after all this that I went 1752 01:44:06,250 --> 01:44:07,600 through and quitting everything I've 1753 01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,990 heard the stores telling me of a few - 1754 01:44:10,990 --> 01:44:12,580 how do you how do you gonna live your 1755 01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:15,130 dash and then they don't understand what 1756 01:44:15,130 --> 01:44:16,930 are you talking about - and this one's 1757 01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:20,080 your tombstone you get your birth date 1758 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,050 and you got the day that you decease and 1759 01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:24,850 you get that little dash in the middle 1760 01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:27,850 that's your life right there that's 1761 01:44:27,850 --> 01:44:29,830 wrong that's everything between from 1762 01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:31,660 your tummy is born from the time you die 1763 01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:34,600 how are you gonna live your - and that's 1764 01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,960 where I'm at now I'm going to live my - 1765 01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,440 and made sure that everything tried to 1766 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:43,680 make everything right for the family 1767 01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:48,520 everybody hold still and watch the birds 1768 01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:53,080 and you knew once you get up in Mt life 1769 01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,390 like that and once you feel good about 1770 01:44:55,390 --> 01:44:57,760 your life you understand you do start 1771 01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,150 watching what the birds do you know what 1772 01:45:01,150 --> 01:45:02,410 the Ducks are don't like the 1773 01:45:02,410 --> 01:45:06,510 hummingbirds why there's so many of them 1774 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,100 you 1775 01:47:04,730 --> 01:47:06,790 you 134887

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