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you
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Reverend young on beauty today can you
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think just think about the men whom you
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are going to encounter in an hour from
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now less than an hour from now I really
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am going there without any expectations
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I'm going there to experience what God
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has prepared for me for him for all of
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those involved and I don't preconceive
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anything not today I will let that
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happen as it occurs as time gets there
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we have a loving caring forgiving
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merciful God and in time of joy and in
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time of need and time of trial or
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tribulation God is always there for us I
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want to make that presence to them and
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technically when he's led to the gurney
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but is your duty then after everything
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is completed as far as the preparation
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then I walk over and I stand as he has
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allowed me to stand I always ask
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permission to be able to stand at his
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feet and hold his ankle and I moved
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toward that position and I placed my
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hand on his ankle and then that's what
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what I do until death occurs and if
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there's no family
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interested in taking care of the body
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the condemned men would end up right
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behind you
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yes they end up here at the State
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Cemetery and they're buried by the state
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no names on the crosses only numbers
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why does God allow capital punishment I
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don't know the answer
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I believe that there's always a purpose
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why God allows things to happen God has
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created so many things in this world I
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play golf sometimes I love to be on the
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golf course
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because one thing I do I put my phone on
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a silent mode I go out there sometimes
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by myself with no distractions and I can
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see the beautiful grass I can see the
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squirrels from time to time running
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sometimes the deer running sometimes I
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look across the golf course and I see a
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cow or a horse and and I and I stop and
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I acknowledge life life the things that
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God is created please describe an
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encounter with a squirrel an encounter
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with a squirrel I was driving the golf
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court and I was on the guy on the cart
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path and I saw two squirrels they were
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chasing each other and as I was getting
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closer they were running across the cart
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path and I put on my brakes and they
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stopped in the middle of the cart path
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and looked at me and I said how about
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this if I wouldn't have stopped I could
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have run over one of these squirrels
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there life would have ended and they
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reminds me
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the many people that I had been with and
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their last breath of life and due to bad
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choices and mistakes are in their life
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their life is taken away in the moment
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so life is precious whether it's a
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squirrel or a human being
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so I will sometimes meditate on that
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experience make a little noise and the
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squirrels will take off and continue
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their life but I cannot do that for
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someone on the gurney I cannot stop the
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process for them
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but I wish I could
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you're not Wyeth yet shall we have to
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wire you first
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Maggie Perry now from all of us the
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whole team here we would like to offer
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our condolences your father passed away
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on the 10th
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my dad died 13 days ago 13 days in Japan
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but you really died you are you are
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scheduled to executions only eight days
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yes sir
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how are you doing you know you know I'm
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a Christian so you know I believe that
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no paradise awaits one way or the other
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so I tell people all the time I'm either
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going home or home so I'm either going
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home to the world our home to God so I
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you know as the days get closer I can
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feel the pressure on my shoulders they
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call it clinical depression where I just
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start having less motivation to do
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things less energy you get frustrated at
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the system how can they not see you know
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my situation is wrong you know I used to
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write all the time and have a lot of
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energy and I just don't have it anymore
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I just feel like I've been beaten down I
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have the feeling that destiny in a way
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has dealt you a very bad deck of cards
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it does not exonerate you and and when I
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talk to you it does not necessarily mean
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that I have to like you but I respect
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you and you're a human being and I think
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human beings should not be executed as
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simply as that right
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lieutenant this looks idyllic and safe
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well and you would think that this is a
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gated community obviously the houses
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that are out here very large houses very
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expensive houses and you would think
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that this is this is a very quiet area
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and you would I guess associate that
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with security but this house right here
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is actually the house where Sandra
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Stotler was murdered this is where
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Michael Perry and Jason Burkett parked
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out in the street and went in and
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murdered her at the time that we found
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her she was actually baking cookies and
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there was evidence of that there was
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there was cookies out there was cookie
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dough out so she was in the process of
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that when she was killed
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but apparently the first plan was not
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murder well and that was something that
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we were told that initially the the boys
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were all when I say boys
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Michael Perry Jason Burkett Adam Stotler
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and Jeremy Richardson they were
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acquaintances through you know some
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mutual friends they weren't really
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friends themselves but they they were
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acquaintances and what we were told was
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is that they came here with the
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intention of trying to get Adam Stotler
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to allow them to stay the night my
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telling them they didn't have a place to
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stay and they were going to try to get
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the keys to the car and steal it that's
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what they were after was the red Camaro
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that was in the garage upon going to the
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door and talking to the mother and she
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said that they were out the boys were
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out and so they left and that's when
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their plan changed that they were just
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going to kill her and take the car so
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they went back up to the door and the
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garage was open and the door going into
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the house was open the Michael Perry by
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his own admission entered that garage
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door and went into the laundry room at
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the time that Jason Burkett knocked on
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the front door and as their truck was
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out here and told him that the truck
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wouldn't start and they needed to call
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someone to come and assist them so she
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let him in the house to use the
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telephone and while he was doing that
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Michael Perry stepped out of the laundry
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room and knocked on the back garage door
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which made her come and answer it and he
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stepped out from the laundry
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from behind her and that's when he shot
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her
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the actual garage door itself is open
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when our deputies arrived on the scene
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the master bedroom which is in the back
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part of the house behind the garage over
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here they went in and they took the top
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bedding in the blanket in the top sheet
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and that's what they wrapped her in they
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brought her out put her in the truck and
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they drove her out to crater lake to
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disposed of her body and told us it's
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happening to seek drugs you know I don't
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know that there was ever any direct
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evidence as far as you know drugs
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relating particularly to this case I
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mean honestly it was just you know they
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had a car you know this lady owned a car
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that they wanted so you know it was
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unfortunately people died for a theft
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other than it being dark this is pretty
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much the way it was that night when we
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came out here
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you'll see all kinds of debris and trash
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here as I said this is a was pretty
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commonly used for a dumping ground
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they've pulled lots of vehicles out of
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Crater Lake we've had actually a few
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other bodies that we that we've gotten
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out of Crater Lake
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this is crater lake here this little
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area right here this is where the tire
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treads and then in the dirt was actually
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here at the time that they first came
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down here they actually backed up to
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that and tried to slam on their brakes
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hoping to eject the body in the water
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and that didn't work so again that was
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just something that we heard I don't
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know that that's actually what happened
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but you could tell from there wasn't any
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distinct tire wear in the ground you
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could just tell that tires have been
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spinning there so so it seemed to fit
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the story but they ended up getting the
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body and and carrying it out here and it
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was just dropped in the water
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we didn't know when we processed the
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scene here and when we process the
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thunder stalkers residents we still did
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not know that we had any other victims
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other than her this is the gated
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community of Highland Ranch inside those
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gates is the house where Sandra Stotler
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was murdered when Michael Perry and
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Jason Burkett came back here to get the
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Camaro that they were after these gates
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were shut and locked so they didn't have
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access to it so they waited around and
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parked until Adam Stotler and Jeremy
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Richardson returned home and that's when
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they got them to come out in the woods
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with them and and murdered them so that
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they could get basically the clicker to
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come back and get access and you know
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into this gate so they go back to the
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house and take the Camaro so only
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because they didn't have the code here
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and it was closed at night two more
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young people had to die yes sir that's
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correct
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lieutenant Jason Burkett and Mikey Perry
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and bragged about what they had done
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how clear evidence was that well because
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it came from multiple people it wasn't
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just one we got reports from several
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people from the different hangouts that
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they had said that they had killed
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people that's how they got the vehicles
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it was pretty convincing I mean we
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believed it although again we we didn't
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have evidence that we had of the bodies
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of the time only after Perry confessed
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he pointed you to the location of the
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two young boys yes sir
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as soon as I found out my mother her
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body had been found that whole week is
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just a blur
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I was watching the news it was Monday
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morning and I saw helicopters flying
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over Ronny's truck stop here well we
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live a mile and I had a glimmer of hope
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I said Adam got away he's found his way
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home because that's things that you'd
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get off to come to my house so I told my
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husband I said get in the car we're
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going down there because they showed the
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crime seeing the helicopters there my
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brother's car was there on the news so
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we went up to Ronnies truck stop and I
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saw all that stuff on the car and I'm
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like oh that's not out of his car he
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doesn't have all this stuff on their
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stuff meaning these stickers good and oh
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yeah I see yeah I saw that I was like oh
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that's not his car
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and then I looked at the license plate
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the car was riddled with bullets and
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they had just chased them down and
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caught him at the apartment complex and
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I was kind of trailing behind them and
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they left to go to the hospital they
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told me I was like please tell me
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because Adam had been missing now since
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Wednesday and it was now Monday and I
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said please tell me was Adam with them
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they said Adam got shot and they took
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him to the hospital now Michael Perry is
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still saying he's out of them he got out
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of jail he bonded out of jail
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Perry just had his ID you believed your
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brother was safe only wounded because
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you were told Adam was safe in shock but
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in hospital and you know I was like
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thank God thank God so I started calling
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the hospitals trying to figure out which
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hospital he was at and I described him
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and she's like I finally got a nurse who
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would talked to me and she's like that's
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not the kid that's here at ma'am
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but your head helps I mean substantial
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helps if your brother Adam was wounded
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but safe alive into all of a sudden my
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world was ripped out of him underneath
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me everyone was gone
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I called lieutenant Davidson and he told
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me to come down the police station
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and I told him I'm watching you on TV
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right now just tell me if that's Adam
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and he said I really would like you to
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come down to the station and I said just
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tell me and he said yeah it's Adam he
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said it's Adam and my knees gave out and
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I never knew that your knees really went
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weak you know but that saying is true
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weak in the knees my knees went weak and
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I fell to the floor
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this is Lindsay lane this is where we
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were directed on this road by Michael
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Perry in his confession that we would
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find two additional bodies of Adam
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Stotler and Jeremy Richardson well we
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came down this road and that we split up
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we went to the end of the road and we
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actually walked back this way and
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discovered Adams body
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they lured him into this area by telling
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them that there was a mutual friend of
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theirs that had gotten hurt while they
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were hunting this house obviously was
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not here at the time you can see as this
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is coming out how it's coming around so
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it's gonna be somewhere about somewhere
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in that concrete is gonna be about where
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his body was discovered
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once we actually process the scene and
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we move the body once we move the body
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there was a cigarette butt under it
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which we collected and there was also
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another cigarette butt closeby but the
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one that was under his body once we
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submitted it to the state lab for DNA it
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had Micra Perry's DNA on it
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which means the body had pulled and had
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fallen on the cigarette after it was
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already discarded on the ground the
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other body was Jeremy Richardson and
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from where we actually found his body it
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was so dense with trees we couldn't even
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get into it I don't know how he got into
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it we couldn't hardly even get into it
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without taking machetes and cutting back
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some of the brush Jeremy he ran for some
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distance while he was being shot at I
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don't know if it was because he heard
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the gunshots here and got startled or
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Jason pointed the shotgun at him and he
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realized it before he was actually shot
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and he took off running
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Charles you lost your brother Jeremy do
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you remember the moment when you heard
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about it I was in Georgia and I got a
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phone call from my hand saying for me to
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call home something bad had happened I
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tried to call I didn't have no money at
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the time my phone wouldn't let me call
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long distance so I tried to call collect
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my grandpa hung up on me he didn't want
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to he didn t want to pay two dollars to
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talk to me to tell me my brother was
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dead I had to actually give my aunt to
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call and find out what was going on and
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then she called me back and my first
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thought was cuz on the phone she says do
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you know Jason Burkett I said yeah she
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said well something's happened and your
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brother's dead and
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well my first thought was you know Jason
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was just driving being stupid the way
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you normally was and had raked and then
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she told me know that Jason shot my
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brother over a car I just felt up I felt
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up my uncle came and picked me up and uh
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we just meant riding her out
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did your father he was in prison no
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serious well it was the first time he
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was in jail for murder in prison for
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murder
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life sentence well no he he was doing
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his 15-year sentence first and then he
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was out for about a year and then he
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went and got a life sentence and he's
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just getting up after that and you flew
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in for the funeral yeah I flew in from
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the funeral the cop said uh I jump bond
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and the cops were there to take me to
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jail
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over my brother's can I tell him what it
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was for I mean would it be okay to tell
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him the you know it was a drug
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possession so you took the trade time
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for your brother if you were arrested at
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the funeral cops came in there there's
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six cops came in and identified me and
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told me they were gonna take me to jail
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right then I asked him you know at least
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stay for my brother's chainable and the
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teardrops to choose what do they see
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buffet
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I lost my my brother-in-law sister
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brother learned of your sister happy to
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her she was coming to my house and she
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crossed the freeway and she got ran over
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of our car tell me about your brother
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Jeremy
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Jeremy was
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he was just a golden chop he was a good
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kid I trusted his friends
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he would get in trouble just just to to
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have that attention but he wouldn't do
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nothing serious he would never do
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anything too serious he got in trouble
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for making people laugh you know talking
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during class you know stuff like that he
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was a very sociable person everybody
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loved him and everybody said that I was
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one that was supposed to be dead before
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I was 21 and not jamming would you love
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to of course
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he was lovely he was my best friend he
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was my best friend bro he's all I had
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you took care of him
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a child
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it turns out the only thing I did was
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hurting I introduced them to the people
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to kill them
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he tell me all the time is meeting him
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against the world I tell my wife the
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same thing no it's just me and him
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against the world
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I believe from the time that we got the
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initial call until they were caught it
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was within a week it was I believed five
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to seven days and you arrived at the
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scene where they were apprehended yes
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sir
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can you describe some a hidden yes sir
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it was
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there was a truck stop actually the
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truck stops not there anymore but it was
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a kind of the side parking lot of a
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truck stop and there was an abandoned
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warehouse and then on the other side of
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that an apartment complex so the entire
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scene spanned from that parking lot all
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the way well into the apartment complex
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there was shotgun shells there was
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cartridge casings where they had
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exchanged fire with the officers that
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were there it was wrecked vehicles and I
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mean there was just people everywhere
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and the police officer was run over yes
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for his leg
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there was a vehicle wrecked out and all
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the glass in the vehicle it shattered
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from the gunshots Burkett and period
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both sustained gunshot wounds belief
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Jason Burkett was shot three times if
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I'm not mistaken and I'm not really
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certain about Michael Perry but that
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they both had wounds from gunshots and
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obviously glass cuts and scrapes
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so there was a wild hot pursuit and you
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were in this wild chase did you actually
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open fire at them or what had happened I
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don't want to be too indiscreet but I
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think what I can tell you I pled guilty
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I've got 10 years done on a 15 year
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sentence for it let's see
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we were sleep we had been drinking the
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night before we were sleeping in the car
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because we couldn't get to the motel
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which was on the other side of a fence I
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don't remember this other guy that was
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in the car with us I don't know how he
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got with us I don't know his name I
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don't know anything about him Michael
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Perry and me were drinking and somehow
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this guy got with us that night
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I remember getting woke up and getting
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shot in the car I looked around Michael
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Perry wasn't next to me with some other
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kid next to me but Perry was in the
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backseat and Perry tried to get out of
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the car
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in the back and then he shut the door I
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started the truck and I went to flee and
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everybody says you shouldn't have ran
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you shouldn't have ran I had just been
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shot and the only way for me not to get
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shot again was to get out of there and I
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wasn't thinking clearly I didn't know
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about a murder I didn't know about what
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they were looking I didn't know the
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extent I didn't know they knew who I was
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and when I drove off the officer was
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right in front of me I drove to the
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right and he shot me through the door
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right here in my arm
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how badly were you wounded I was shot
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right here
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can you show it tie in for me I was shot
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right here in my wrist I was shot right
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here in my hand
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my finger I was shot right here I was
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shot right here and I was shot right
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here
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right here I had a piece of the car door
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in my side Stan launched in your sight
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so how do you get through a metal
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detector well it came out afterwards it
519
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,220
came out they come out of
520
00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:54,280
right here in my collarbone I had a
521
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,550
piece of the glass or the car door went
522
00:36:57,550 --> 00:37:03,790
inside I crashed into a building because
523
00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:06,160
I couldn't steer my Bloods all in the
524
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,290
truck they said well your DNA is on the
525
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:11,050
gun my DNA is on everything in there
526
00:37:11,050 --> 00:37:13,200
I was shot my DNA was on Michael Perry
527
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,850
DNA was on every seat in there from
528
00:37:15,850 --> 00:37:18,870
being shot blood went everywhere
529
00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:25,360
whenever I crashed I jumped out and ran
530
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,920
I ran I ran in the building there was
531
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,360
cops shooting at the building where we
532
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,240
were crashed into they were shooting
533
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,840
from every direction the window in the
534
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,030
back of the buildings like this you
535
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:42,340
can't get through it I shot one time
536
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:44,650
with the gun through the window I
537
00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:46,570
probably shouldn't have done that but I
538
00:37:46,570 --> 00:37:48,370
was trapped and I was panic and I didn't
539
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:50,140
know what to do and when we got through
540
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:53,130
there we ran to some apartments
541
00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:56,410
you know I carry Perry Hathaway but I
542
00:37:56,410 --> 00:38:00,490
mean we got to the apartment you dealt
543
00:38:00,490 --> 00:38:02,920
with it like real tough men
544
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,020
I remember reading somewhere that
545
00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:08,410
Michael Perry shouted this is it put the
546
00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:10,720
balls at the walls or something let's
547
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,520
both let's fight back
548
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:20,260
so I remember something I don't recall
549
00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:22,720
him saying it he could have said it too
550
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,060
much commotion too many bullets flying I
551
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:26,260
didn't really understand what was
552
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,210
happening all I knew is where we were at
553
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:30,970
we could not stay there yeah and he was
554
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:32,440
screaming balls to the walls
555
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,660
they say well how can I say I don't want
556
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:40,720
to go into the details of of what
557
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,870
happened but faculty said three people
558
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:45,730
were killed
559
00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:50,470
mm-hmm and you deny that you were even
560
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:55,090
close to the scene or how do you there's
561
00:38:55,090 --> 00:38:56,770
no longer a question there's no longer a
562
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:58,510
question of my innocence that's question
563
00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:00,190
is out the door the question is what is
564
00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:02,740
anyone gonna do about it now I mean a
565
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,290
perfect example is you're here with
566
00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:06,700
these guys they show up at your hotel
567
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,950
room in a car you're gonna assume that
568
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:10,570
that car is you know these are your
569
00:39:10,570 --> 00:39:12,550
friends so when Jason shows up to pick
570
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,500
me up in a car I'm gonna assume it's
571
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:16,270
okay you get it you get arrested you
572
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:17,380
come to find out he just murdered
573
00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:18,940
someone from that car you're gonna end
574
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:21,130
up on Texas death row you're gonna end
575
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:22,840
up right here because you trusted one of
576
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,130
these guys to show up and pick you open
577
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:26,320
up in a real car it wasn't just stolen
578
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,350
but trusting in trays and was a bad
579
00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:31,540
choice anyway let's let's face it he was
580
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:33,880
well you know some sort of a bad epilim
581
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,119
so so were you I was homeless starving
582
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,680
so and using drugs and stealing yummy
583
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,570
drugs he offered me a place to stay he
584
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:46,480
offered me food so I chose I chose that
585
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,920
which I shouldn't have I regret it every
586
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,450
every minute now cherish every minute uh
587
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:54,340
cherish every minute make the most of it
588
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:56,800
because uh you know they can they can
589
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,450
they can do you like me being the wrong
590
00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:59,920
situation at the wrong time there's no
591
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,090
telling where you end up you might want
592
00:40:01,090 --> 00:40:02,650
to get out of Texas as soon as possible
593
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:05,290
uh they might arrest you any any second
594
00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:07,380
huh
595
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:47,920
I went over to my buddy's house there
596
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,500
was a guy that anyone to fight me and uh
597
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:54,819
he run upon me as I got out of the truck
598
00:40:54,819 --> 00:40:58,660
and uh I just kind of blew him off you
599
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,380
know me just go man go much business and
600
00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:03,849
everybody said he even saying he was
601
00:41:03,849 --> 00:41:05,109
gonna stab me when I got out of the
602
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:07,240
truck you know it kind of pissed me off
603
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:12,039
so I went back found two dude and uh run
604
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:13,750
upon him and I was taking off my shirt
605
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:15,309
and I threw him up threw my shirt up
606
00:41:15,309 --> 00:41:17,259
like that you know and throw it up over
607
00:41:17,259 --> 00:41:19,569
my elbow I was gonna take it off and
608
00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:21,849
when I did that he hit me right here
609
00:41:21,849 --> 00:41:24,220
with a screwdriver and screw drive about
610
00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:26,470
that long and it was the Philips you
611
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:28,539
know a little skinny long screwdrivers
612
00:41:28,539 --> 00:41:31,690
and uh something to the handle and after
613
00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:33,849
that uh all the way to pay him I'll
614
00:41:33,849 --> 00:41:38,289
weigh the handles minutes probably prior
615
00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:41,980
right in there I went straight straight
616
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:45,250
through under my arm into my chest you
617
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:47,200
know I know went to the hospital or
618
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,170
anything what did you feel you felt yeah
619
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:52,720
just uh I felt up though you know the
620
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,269
pressure of it when they hit that's all
621
00:41:55,269 --> 00:41:57,460
I felt I kind of jumped back out the way
622
00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:01,180
you know I looked and my buddy threw me
623
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,250
a knife and I looked down at the knife
624
00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:04,900
on the ground I was like you know I'm
625
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,180
thinking to myself my head you know I'm
626
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:09,910
going to my kids today you know so I
627
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:12,099
didn't even pick it up and then my other
628
00:42:12,099 --> 00:42:13,660
buddy come out running out of the yard
629
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:17,789
and I had to be at work in 30 minutes
630
00:42:17,789 --> 00:42:21,519
matter of fact of our roof I was roofing
631
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,029
the house with Jason's brother uh what
632
00:42:25,029 --> 00:42:27,940
is it Chris perk it when I was roofing
633
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:29,680
the house with a little Christmas not in
634
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,009
jail at that time now India went to
635
00:42:33,009 --> 00:42:35,830
hospital no
636
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:37,540
the Navy was asking me if I need to go
637
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:38,860
to the hospital or anything but it just
638
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:41,320
some white pus and a little bit of blood
639
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,420
come out and you know I thought I was
640
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:47,170
good everything I guess I am so I was
641
00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:49,620
lucky there
642
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,210
but you have never been in in real
643
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:59,630
trouble with the law matter felony
644
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:02,720
that's the only bad bad one hand but
645
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,829
you're a working man
646
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:05,900
yes sir short yeah I ain't been in
647
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:06,980
trouble for years
648
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:09,680
can I see your hands yeah maybe shook
649
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920
hands I noticed your calluses you're
650
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,810
working yeah in a paid job yep cars yes
651
00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:18,320
sir
652
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,920
solid work yes sir in the tattoo in here
653
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:29,119
can't believe you had been with her when
654
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,930
you met Burkett nah not yet I've been
655
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:36,079
with her for three years and I got a 17
656
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,630
month old baby whatever yeah they're
657
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:42,770
staying with her yeah now the tattoo is
658
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:43,310
forever
659
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:46,930
the hairs forever and he's talked about
660
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:50,530
but what happens if the relationship
661
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:54,380
unravels what happens to Bailey get
662
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:55,790
somewhere had to get Bailey sucks right
663
00:43:55,790 --> 00:43:58,089
there
664
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:10,090
can you talk about Jason Burkett how did
665
00:44:10,090 --> 00:44:12,010
you meet him how did you know him what
666
00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:14,890
do you know about him first time I've
667
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:16,840
ever met him long seem like pretty cool
668
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,630
guy you know so we hung out you know I
669
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:21,220
introduced him to a few girls and
670
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:24,400
everything and then we used to go
671
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,480
hunting together one time he tried to
672
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,900
kill me I introduced him to these girls
673
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,140
and her dad knew had something going on
674
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:35,830
I don't know
675
00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:37,630
well anyway he thought I wanted to get
676
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:39,370
with that girl and come over to another
677
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:42,310
girl's house and rushed me with a gun
678
00:44:42,310 --> 00:44:44,140
well I had this girl tell me to come
679
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:46,660
outside and I was eating supper and
680
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:49,210
rushed me with a guy so we fought for
681
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:52,660
about 45 minutes we're going to my head
682
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,810
in this girl's house I was a 22 caliber
683
00:44:55,810 --> 00:44:57,510
single-shot pistol
684
00:44:57,510 --> 00:45:02,020
yeah held del to my head banging me in
685
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:05,260
the head with it we were fighting off to
686
00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:07,720
the house with the gun gotta lock myself
687
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,020
in his bedroom and he was gonna kick in
688
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:12,490
the door so I just opened the door and
689
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:14,890
let him in cuz imma tear this girl's
690
00:45:14,890 --> 00:45:18,550
dad's household you know out today and
691
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:20,110
we started fighting again and he pinned
692
00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:21,700
me on the bed and we pulled the trigger
693
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:25,290
well if the politico now I missed fire
694
00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:27,490
because the bullet come out the gun and
695
00:45:27,490 --> 00:45:29,910
you could tell or 22 bullet II was like
696
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:32,410
it's just that round flat piece on the
697
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:32,950
bottom
698
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:34,390
it was the firing pin ain't long enough
699
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:37,890
it don't hit it and it don't move off
700
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:40,600
but uh it hit it but I don't know why
701
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,370
didn't go off you've been lucky yeah
702
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:47,410
very lucky yeah I kind of blacked out
703
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:49,710
there
704
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:56,579
yeah real lucky and then I'm killing
705
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,650
those people when I feel sorry for their
706
00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:01,099
families
707
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,980
me and my friend big Justin was up at
708
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:11,580
the bar one time and he come up to these
709
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:14,850
new cars hillman Perry you know we're
710
00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:16,080
like man we're juggling these new cars
711
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,660
that it's like all we was holding hands
712
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:20,370
him when Perry was hold hands and
713
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:22,700
scratched off a lottery ticket together
714
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,320
and a one-nil took ours
715
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,420
well me and my buddy knew it wasn't
716
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:28,950
right because they both felons you know
717
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:30,690
I mean ain't nobody gonna sell him ain't
718
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:33,060
he's won got a driver's license so you
719
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,220
know and and the cars were like fully
720
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:38,460
loaded CDs K boards and stuff like that
721
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:41,550
in there you know so we knew something
722
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:43,950
or something was up with it and he
723
00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:46,770
started giving people joy rise up at the
724
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:48,980
bar
725
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:55,760
Jason and Michael came up to the bar to
726
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,530
show off two new vehicles that they had
727
00:46:57,530 --> 00:47:02,000
purchased and at first we nobody really
728
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,160
understood they explained that they had
729
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,350
purchased a lottery ticket and that's
730
00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:07,670
how they got the money to buy the cars
731
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:10,550
and at that time it started getting a
732
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:11,590
little weird
733
00:47:11,590 --> 00:47:16,010
what didn't sound right about this the
734
00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:17,540
amount of the lottery ticket was four
735
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:19,100
thousand dollars they said they cashed
736
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:21,560
it in the gas station that doesn't
737
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,140
usually happen the vehicles themselves
738
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:25,640
didn't look like they just came off a
739
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,450
car lot
740
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:28,760
you drove these cars I rode in them I
741
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,780
didn't drive them
742
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:31,910
yeah they Jason and Michael were kind of
743
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:34,640
given everybody test drives and I rode
744
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,940
in both vehicles the the red Camaro when
745
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:43,510
I wrote in it they were showing off guns
746
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:46,130
there was a 12-gauge shotgun and I don't
747
00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:47,750
remember the other one but I did see
748
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:49,760
them in the trunk of the red Camaro that
749
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,480
night from what I heard rumors you know
750
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,790
they were initially planning on stealing
751
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:58,370
a car of my roommate at the house I was
752
00:47:58,370 --> 00:48:00,320
staying at and that scared the hell out
753
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:00,680
of me
754
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,300
cuz that could have been me you know if
755
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:03,500
he would have decided to come and get
756
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,370
the car in my driveway where would I be
757
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:10,100
I've managed to block it I've managed to
758
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,860
try to not deal with it and not think
759
00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:22,010
about it I guess being in the situations
760
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:24,590
that I've been in just from being
761
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:27,890
employed at that bar I have seen so many
762
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:30,950
awful things that I don't deal with them
763
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:35,330
I just kind of put them back Jason break
764
00:48:35,330 --> 00:48:38,210
about crimes he never bragged to me and
765
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:40,910
my buddy big Justin we didn't know it
766
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:44,420
happened you know there was they come
767
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,980
got us from Justin's house to police
768
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:48,140
tear and it took us up there and it was
769
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:50,780
like y'all read the paper and I told him
770
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:53,210
look I couldn't read and then they
771
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:55,310
didn't believe me and they looked at my
772
00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:58,030
record found out I can't read and then
773
00:48:58,030 --> 00:49:00,530
so they read the paper to me and told me
774
00:49:00,530 --> 00:49:03,070
what he had done
775
00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:08,340
do you read now dire so late you started
776
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:11,450
to learn how to read ya learn Arief
777
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:14,490
wonderful yes I think this is great
778
00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:17,510
achievement yeah it's awesome
779
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:22,310
yeah I'm much more connected now yeah
780
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:25,590
how does it feel not to be able to read
781
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:27,390
you have to be much smarter than the
782
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:29,190
others to understand the world anyway
783
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:33,000
yeah it's kind of tough out there when
784
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,850
you can't read but I mean cuz I know is
785
00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:39,960
there some way I can read it for you but
786
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,600
uh I mean I learned how to read in jail
787
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,660
so I can write letters and read the
788
00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:49,440
letters other than and I'm planning on
789
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,410
rolled back from where I learned I read
790
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:56,820
there and you have to encode now oh yeah
791
00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:58,880
staying busy at the paint body shop
792
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,600
reading oh yeah writing not much writing
793
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:11,700
a lot of sanding I'm interested in your
794
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,670
relationship with Michael Perry how did
795
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,480
you two beat out assisting happening and
796
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,510
mm I had a girlfriend
797
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:25,680
mm she had a friend named Miranda I
798
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,740
ended up going to jail and Miranda I
799
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:30,570
seen her on the side of the road arguing
800
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:33,540
with Michael Perry and I said I pulled
801
00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:34,890
over and I said what's going on and she
802
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:37,440
said he's living in my trunk and I can't
803
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,970
get him you know he can't live there no
804
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:40,650
more my dad's seen him my dad got in a
805
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:42,000
fight with him this morning he can't
806
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,800
live there so he was living in the trunk
807
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,520
of a car
808
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,020
and I said well I don't know what to
809
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,850
tell you if she asked me can he live
810
00:50:47,850 --> 00:50:50,460
with you and at that moment I sort of
811
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:52,830
know he can't live with me and then I
812
00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:54,930
looked at him and she's like sad crying
813
00:50:54,930 --> 00:50:56,280
and she said please let him live with
814
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,890
you just for a month this was when we
815
00:50:58,890 --> 00:51:00,720
were living in the camper trailer and I
816
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,299
told him you can live with this
817
00:51:02,299 --> 00:51:04,429
get your stuff put it in my truck and
818
00:51:04,429 --> 00:51:09,489
come home and from that day on I fed him
819
00:51:09,489 --> 00:51:13,069
gave him money took care of him he was
820
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:16,640
like a like a little brother kid brother
821
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,979
that was pushed on him and when they
822
00:51:18,979 --> 00:51:21,439
he's older than me by a few months but I
823
00:51:21,439 --> 00:51:22,729
had to take care of him cuz he had
824
00:51:22,729 --> 00:51:25,459
nothing he had nobody little did I know
825
00:51:25,459 --> 00:51:27,949
he had very supportive family his mom
826
00:51:27,949 --> 00:51:30,679
and dad were both supportive he just
827
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:32,209
didn't want to follow rules he was just
828
00:51:32,209 --> 00:51:33,499
like me and didn't want to follow rules
829
00:51:33,499 --> 00:51:35,209
and that's why he ended up living with
830
00:51:35,209 --> 00:51:38,599
me because they said work and you can
831
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,789
live with us he didn't want to work and
832
00:51:40,789 --> 00:51:45,999
us sent on the outward bound to trip
833
00:51:46,299 --> 00:51:48,469
well you know I'm a city boy at heart
834
00:51:48,469 --> 00:51:50,299
you know I'm saying I'm really not into
835
00:51:50,299 --> 00:51:52,579
the nature and bugs and in the weather
836
00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:54,979
and you know so you know when East they
837
00:51:54,979 --> 00:51:58,279
sent me on a two-week canoe trip which
838
00:51:58,279 --> 00:52:00,559
sounds wonderful for me but yeah you
839
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,689
know you know I like to canoe but what
840
00:52:02,689 --> 00:52:04,039
was it wasn't the canoeing it was bad it
841
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:05,989
was it is an Everglades I mean we're
842
00:52:05,989 --> 00:52:08,089
seeing alligators everywhere now my
843
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:09,709
question is and I didn't realize that
844
00:52:09,709 --> 00:52:10,939
until I got here what happened if I
845
00:52:10,939 --> 00:52:12,019
would have fell out and got eaten by an
846
00:52:12,019 --> 00:52:14,239
alligator who would have been
847
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,039
responsible you know did my parents sign
848
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:17,390
some type of waiver because there's
849
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:19,459
alligators everywhere well a young man
850
00:52:19,459 --> 00:52:21,589
of 13 you better watch out and eat and
851
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:28,999
handle the alligators you didn't we
852
00:52:28,999 --> 00:52:32,359
would canoe until like nighttime and
853
00:52:32,359 --> 00:52:33,469
pull in I guess they had certain
854
00:52:33,469 --> 00:52:36,259
designations marked and sometimes we'd
855
00:52:36,259 --> 00:52:37,609
pull in like at midnight there's bugs
856
00:52:37,609 --> 00:52:38,900
you can reach out and grab a handful of
857
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:40,069
bugs and then they want us to cook
858
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:42,349
dinner and you know I'm like man I can't
859
00:52:42,349 --> 00:52:44,299
and one of the things that the program
860
00:52:44,299 --> 00:52:47,059
was to teach you immediate they you know
861
00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:48,199
every action there's a there's a
862
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,059
reaction so immediate consequences to
863
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:51,289
your decisions and one of the things I
864
00:52:51,289 --> 00:52:52,429
learned is that if I don't pay attention
865
00:52:52,429 --> 00:52:54,589
to the lessons we had these bags for our
866
00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:56,420
property and met a coelom right or there
867
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:57,650
wouldn't be waterproof well I didn't
868
00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:59,509
listen and they fell in the water and
869
00:52:59,509 --> 00:53:01,400
all my stuff got wet so I didn't have my
870
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,229
own team and toilet paper anymore and I
871
00:53:03,229 --> 00:53:05,749
didn't like that so basically I was my
872
00:53:05,749 --> 00:53:07,369
typical stubborn self and I told me you
873
00:53:07,369 --> 00:53:08,329
know what I ain't doing this no more
874
00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:10,880
take me home but he we're not attacked
875
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,439
by Ellie K yeah we were attacked by
876
00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:13,690
monkeys No
877
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:16,310
absolutely monkeys were jumping from one
878
00:53:16,310 --> 00:53:17,960
side to the trees on the other side we
879
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,760
were at and come trying to come over
880
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,730
there and they couldn't figure out where
881
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,020
the monkeys came from but there was a
882
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:27,980
whole bunch of them a whole bunch I want
883
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:29,210
to get out and get one but they said
884
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:32,110
they have diseases right
885
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:08,060
so best-case scenario if you are granted
886
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:12,730
parole in 2041 how old would you be then
887
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:15,410
does this ever occur to you do you want
888
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:18,920
to think about it be 59 60
889
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,630
I was 19 I have to do 40 years from 1950
890
00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:34,009
when it came to the face after your
891
00:54:34,009 --> 00:54:36,289
trial was over for punishment face your
892
00:54:36,289 --> 00:54:40,880
father showed up in court can you
893
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,809
describe the scene I knew he was coming
894
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:46,519
and I knew what he was going to testify
895
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,940
to but to hear him justify it's like I
896
00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:52,670
was born with neuroblastoma I had 18
897
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:54,769
surgeries about the time I was five and
898
00:54:54,769 --> 00:54:57,769
I I don't know a lot about it because
899
00:54:57,769 --> 00:54:59,930
it's something that I try to shy away
900
00:54:59,930 --> 00:55:03,529
from I knew he was gonna testify to my
901
00:55:03,529 --> 00:55:06,079
raising and I was a in pain all the time
902
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,759
and he watched me cried sleep and it was
903
00:55:10,759 --> 00:55:12,829
difficult because I've seen him cry I
904
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:15,349
mean if you ever see my dad six foot six
905
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:18,039
six foot seven 300 pounds big old guy
906
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,779
they brought him in from from prison
907
00:55:20,779 --> 00:55:23,140
came in from still incarcerated
908
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:25,519
he's right across the street on the
909
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,960
others unit mr. Burkett how are you
910
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:39,019
doing just fine how fine you are in here
911
00:55:39,019 --> 00:55:43,819
for how many years 40 40 years eight
912
00:55:43,819 --> 00:55:45,529
felony counts is that correct
913
00:55:45,529 --> 00:55:49,309
yes that's pretty serious yes and you
914
00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:52,430
spent some time before this for the
915
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:55,309
sentence in jail is that correct yes sir
916
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:58,819
yeah I've been in prison five times how
917
00:55:58,819 --> 00:56:01,999
many years already two years there's a
918
00:56:01,999 --> 00:56:03,859
five-year sentence a 30-year sentence
919
00:56:03,859 --> 00:56:07,729
and in this 40 that's a lot yes sir
920
00:56:07,729 --> 00:56:13,069
what went wrong drugs and alcohol can
921
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:15,400
you explain well
922
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,680
I started using drugs when I was about
923
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:23,470
13 drinking and drugging and Salomon
924
00:56:23,470 --> 00:56:26,589
manufacturing some stealing and
925
00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:28,210
burglarizing going along with it to
926
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:31,539
support the habit and always end up back
927
00:56:31,539 --> 00:56:32,940
in prison
928
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:36,309
that's one insignificant moment when
929
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:40,150
chasing your son was found guilty for
930
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:41,130
capital murder
931
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:44,319
triple homicide during the sentencing
932
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:46,599
phase you appeared in court can you
933
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:55,619
describe what you said to the jury well
934
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,869
let explain to him what prison life was
935
00:56:58,869 --> 00:57:03,720
about and explain explain to him that I
936
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,490
didn't think killing him was going to
937
00:57:06,490 --> 00:57:11,020
bring back those people or really suck
938
00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:13,480
you know do anything to correct what
939
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,789
happened and I asked the jury to you
940
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:20,619
know please you know don't kill my son
941
00:57:20,619 --> 00:57:26,770
just please don't kill my son they never
942
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:29,829
had a chance he didn't have a father I
943
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:32,230
told him that you know he did I was
944
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:34,779
never there and his mother was a you
945
00:57:34,779 --> 00:57:35,980
know single mother with four children
946
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:41,529
and and she had handicaps she's on
947
00:57:41,529 --> 00:57:43,569
disability most of that time she was
948
00:57:43,569 --> 00:57:47,049
living on disability and so they they
949
00:57:47,049 --> 00:57:48,549
really didn't they lived off food stamps
950
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:53,020
and you know HUD housing and that type
951
00:57:53,020 --> 00:57:59,230
of thing and he really he really had a
952
00:57:59,230 --> 00:58:04,390
real poor life growing up I just asked
953
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,970
him not to kill my son it wasn't his
954
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:07,390
fault
955
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:09,970
I wished I could I wish that I could
956
00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:12,339
take the time his time I wish I could
957
00:58:12,339 --> 00:58:14,950
cause I feel like it's my fault
958
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:19,540
I really do I feel like it's
959
00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:22,700
I'm as much as fault as he is because if
960
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,160
I'd have been there it quite possibly
961
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,680
maybe not but but it might possibly been
962
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,350
different he had a better chance you
963
00:58:30,350 --> 00:58:31,930
know he'd had a whole lot better chance
964
00:58:31,930 --> 00:58:33,830
if I'd have been there helping his
965
00:58:33,830 --> 00:58:37,580
mother raised him but I wasn't the jury
966
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:40,280
got up to leave and the door was right
967
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,880
here to my right and as the door closed
968
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,000
behind them I heard two ladies break
969
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,700
down I'm I'm real emotional and I'm
970
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,280
crying through the whole thing but as
971
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,990
they went through that door in the door
972
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:57,530
closed I heard two ladies break down
973
00:58:57,530 --> 00:59:04,250
crying they broke down and then when it
974
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:06,500
was all over and his lawyer come talk to
975
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:09,500
me he said I remember that his words he
976
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:14,300
said you got him you're safe too you go
977
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:18,070
I said what do you mean he said you got
978
00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:21,050
that's where that's what safe there was
979
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:24,020
two votes it was ten to two and there
980
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:28,550
was two votes that voted not to kill him
981
00:59:28,550 --> 00:59:30,560
and I think those were the two ladies
982
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,160
right there and they're the ones that
983
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,720
saved his life but you can be proud of
984
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,380
this moment
985
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:48,980
that's some help too god help me he did
986
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:51,410
I asked God to help me and I think he
987
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:53,619
did
988
00:59:55,369 --> 00:59:59,749
I didn't deserve any help for him he may
989
00:59:59,749 --> 01:00:03,710
not deserve the help but we got it from
990
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:06,039
someplace
991
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:13,170
the hardest part was to look at a friend
992
01:00:13,170 --> 01:00:15,000
to look at me and I seen that he was
993
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,610
sincere that he really was sorry for no
994
01:00:17,610 --> 01:00:18,920
what he had done throughout my childhood
995
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,330
and he had been in prison I don't blame
996
01:00:21,330 --> 01:00:23,460
him for it but I've seen right there
997
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:25,260
that he understood that it did affect us
998
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:27,870
and I cried that one day that was it the
999
01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:30,240
whole child even after conviction the
1000
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,040
only thing that hurt me was my dad
1001
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:38,790
whenever I went back and testified his
1002
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:40,560
brother went back and testified to his
1003
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,640
brother was in prison Chris and and and
1004
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,850
we mean Chris what came back to the
1005
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:51,090
Diagnostics together and then and I'm
1006
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:53,220
embarrassed but all three it was we had
1007
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:56,190
Thanksgiving together correct me and
1008
01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:59,520
Chris and Jason over at the Diagnostics
1009
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:06,960
unit you know you know they they think
1010
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,940
that's kind of cool but I as a father I
1011
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:10,320
thought that was pretty embarrassing to
1012
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,850
be sitting there in prison with my son's
1013
01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:14,220
older if they mean cos they're a did yes
1014
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:14,640
sir
1015
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,830
did me and Jason went on over to the
1016
01:01:16,830 --> 01:01:18,930
next place together handcuffed together
1017
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:21,060
in the bus and that's something that
1018
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:22,920
I've never in my life would ever dreamed
1019
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,530
dreamed of that would have happened that
1020
01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:30,600
that same little baby that was you you
1021
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,280
have to hold him down and take bone
1022
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,350
marrow test out of the same little six
1023
01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:37,140
pound baby described feeling to me when
1024
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:40,080
you're handcuffed together with your own
1025
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,440
son in the same bus scene can you
1026
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,610
describe that no not really
1027
01:01:46,610 --> 01:01:50,690
try to describe us
1028
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,690
well I don't know I just felt like a
1029
01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:56,710
total failure
1030
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:59,950
total failure there's a father and you
1031
01:01:59,950 --> 01:02:03,820
could feel his head cooked in this head
1032
01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:06,430
and his right hand and we were sitting
1033
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:10,180
there and you know I was just it was
1034
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:12,100
just total failure that's what I felt
1035
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:16,180
like I felt like crap you know and I
1036
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:17,740
used a different word to the jury and
1037
01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:21,640
that's me and that's what I meant you
1038
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,070
know he had trash for a father and and
1039
01:02:24,070 --> 01:02:26,500
then here I was sitting with with my
1040
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:30,550
baby son on a prison bus and I mean I
1041
01:02:30,550 --> 01:02:31,930
don't think it I don't think it gets
1042
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:34,750
much lower than that you know you just
1043
01:02:34,750 --> 01:02:37,110
don't
1044
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,400
knowing me or him neither one will ever
1045
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,740
you know get out again I just got a
1046
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:49,590
3-year set off again about a week ago so
1047
01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:52,090
when they're near him I'll never get out
1048
01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:56,500
again and to me he ever kept out again I
1049
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:57,310
don't think so
1050
01:02:57,310 --> 01:02:59,320
he comes up for parole the first time in
1051
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,780
in 1942 the first 40 years after his
1052
01:03:04,780 --> 01:03:10,050
conviction yes sir 1941 I'm sorry yes
1053
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:17,620
20:41 your century back I'm sorry
1054
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:20,790
well doesn't matter it's time myself
1055
01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:23,470
time is probably different for you in
1056
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:26,130
here yes
1057
01:04:22,030 --> 01:04:24,580
this is actually the vehicle that was in
1058
01:04:24,580 --> 01:04:26,920
Sandra Stotler garage this was the
1059
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,130
vehicle that Michael Perry and Jason
1060
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:33,070
Burkett was was after three people died
1061
01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:36,010
for this car a car that was in their
1062
01:04:36,010 --> 01:04:38,500
possession for less than 72 hours I
1063
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:43,780
believe within a couple of years I mean
1064
01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:46,359
this vehicle was just trashed the inside
1065
01:04:46,359 --> 01:04:48,070
of it because there was actually a tree
1066
01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:49,780
that it rooted and had come up through
1067
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:51,099
the center of it and it tore the
1068
01:04:51,099 --> 01:04:53,560
floorboard up and whenever we actually
1069
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,950
had to move it the over to this lot it
1070
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:58,210
was a little bit difficult because of
1071
01:04:58,210 --> 01:05:01,480
that a tree grew inside the tree grew up
1072
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,640
from the bottom up into Sun and up into
1073
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:04,680
the car
1074
01:05:09,229 --> 01:05:13,529
why did they die I asked myself that
1075
01:05:13,529 --> 01:05:19,499
question every day I mean for a vehicle
1076
01:05:19,499 --> 01:05:24,390
you know I I don't know I don't know
1077
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:26,160
people die everyday over giving people a
1078
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,670
dirty look or you know $2.00 people
1079
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:32,339
brought each other and I don't know I
1080
01:05:32,339 --> 01:05:34,519
don't know why they died the greed of
1081
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:37,920
these two boys I don't know I don't I
1082
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,289
don't have an answer can you speak about
1083
01:05:40,289 --> 01:05:46,170
a family of victims nobody seems to
1084
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:51,869
address that side and I don't how do you
1085
01:05:51,869 --> 01:05:54,900
live with all this I didn't for a while
1086
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:58,079
I'm starting to live again but basically
1087
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,910
I just shut down Montgomery County has a
1088
01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:08,309
victims assistance program but when you
1089
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:09,989
when your whole family is ripped from
1090
01:06:09,989 --> 01:06:12,690
you you you know you're kind of like
1091
01:06:12,690 --> 01:06:14,609
what's the point what's the point of
1092
01:06:14,609 --> 01:06:16,079
living anymore I don't have a family to
1093
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,059
share it with and I know I have to live
1094
01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:19,619
it for my children to raise my children
1095
01:06:19,619 --> 01:06:21,180
I don't want them to have a miserable
1096
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:23,880
life or have a depressed mother all the
1097
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,229
time but for about four years I didn't
1098
01:06:28,229 --> 01:06:33,449
go anywhere stay in the house take the
1099
01:06:33,449 --> 01:06:35,009
phone out of the home I don't like to
1100
01:06:35,009 --> 01:06:37,199
talk to people I've I figured if I don't
1101
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:38,999
get close to anybody I don't know you
1102
01:06:38,999 --> 01:06:40,739
know I won't get hurt again I don't know
1103
01:06:40,739 --> 01:06:44,819
I just I just shut down really my
1104
01:06:44,819 --> 01:06:49,309
grandmother shut down our lives are
1105
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:55,130
empty very empty very empty
1106
01:06:59,109 --> 01:07:02,060
that's Adam that was his fix yes he was
1107
01:07:02,060 --> 01:07:06,700
16 there was a last school picture
1108
01:07:18,550 --> 01:07:21,580
my mother my brother was my best friend
1109
01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:25,810
he was he was only 16 um
1110
01:07:25,810 --> 01:07:28,670
it is true that he is not my real
1111
01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:30,800
brother my sister whoops got pretty when
1112
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,340
she was 16 and my parents adopted him
1113
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:36,560
and they were actually out of town the
1114
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,510
day he was born so I was the first one
1115
01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:42,440
to hold him and I just I had this
1116
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,000
feeling his whole life that something
1117
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,710
was gonna happen to him and I remember
1118
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:47,540
calling my mother and saying you know
1119
01:07:47,540 --> 01:07:48,860
what's Adam doing where's Adam you need
1120
01:07:48,860 --> 01:07:50,210
to make sure y'all just moved up to Ohio
1121
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:51,500
and make sure you're watching them and
1122
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:52,940
my mom was like I've raised five
1123
01:07:52,940 --> 01:07:54,740
children I can take care of them and
1124
01:07:54,740 --> 01:07:58,190
when you get 16 I knew he was he was
1125
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:59,930
good he was safe he was a man he'd be
1126
01:07:59,930 --> 01:08:03,140
able to take care of himself now he was
1127
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:04,070
such a great kid
1128
01:08:04,070 --> 01:08:05,660
he was in love for the first time in his
1129
01:08:05,660 --> 01:08:21,080
life and one thing that sticks out for
1130
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,330
me
1131
01:08:22,330 --> 01:08:26,450
my mom always protected me one thing
1132
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:29,990
that I remember I was supposed to get
1133
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:32,840
married well I did get married September
1134
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,310
16th 1995 but my dad Mel he was a
1135
01:08:37,310 --> 01:08:39,260
preacher and he was supposed to marry me
1136
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:41,960
and Kenneth he died six months before
1137
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,780
the wedding he was hit by a train and my
1138
01:08:44,780 --> 01:08:49,070
older brother and aunt a family dog and
1139
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:53,420
uh so we got I refused to get married in
1140
01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:55,490
a church so we got married on the boat
1141
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,380
in Lake Conroe right as I was walking
1142
01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:59,600
out that I want to walking out the door
1143
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,910
to go down the aisle my mother pinned my
1144
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:05,540
dad's wedding ring inside my dress right
1145
01:09:05,540 --> 01:09:07,100
over my heart and she said I didn't want
1146
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:10,160
your dad to miss this and you know that
1147
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,500
just you loved her yes I know she was
1148
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:18,470
saying so much pain that day but she hid
1149
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:22,760
it because I was so happy she had her
1150
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,650
pain for me you know she's she's made it
1151
01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:30,040
through the day
1152
01:09:32,590 --> 01:09:36,650
our family's just so incomplete so
1153
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:43,010
incomplete you know sometimes my kids
1154
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:46,040
will ask me things oh I wonder what my
1155
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,470
mom you know there's things at all times
1156
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:50,090
of day and night I want to call an ass
1157
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:53,810
Kirk it took me forever to realize she
1158
01:09:53,810 --> 01:09:56,150
was really gone because I would want to
1159
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:58,100
pick up the phone and call her and is
1160
01:09:58,100 --> 01:10:03,970
this why you got rid of her film yes I I
1161
01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:09,350
did not want another phone call telling
1162
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:12,830
me it's somebody else am I feeling it
1163
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:17,860
I can't even list phone calls anymore I
1164
01:10:17,860 --> 01:10:22,000
couldn't handle him anymore so I just
1165
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:27,080
cut myself off from the world I can't I
1166
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,210
can't have a phone I just don't like you
1167
01:10:29,210 --> 01:10:30,530
know firing anymore cuz all I never
1168
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:34,970
brought me it was bad news the worst the
1169
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:39,050
works is that yeah you had to face it
1170
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:40,780
yeah
1171
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:43,780
well you know it's just I mean not only
1172
01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:46,920
did I lose my mother and my father and
1173
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,680
my brother to tragic circumstances I
1174
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,450
mean my grandfather had a stroke my
1175
01:10:52,450 --> 01:10:54,970
uncle hung himself my other uncle had a
1176
01:10:54,970 --> 01:10:57,460
heroin overdose my step-brother shot
1177
01:10:57,460 --> 01:10:59,800
himself because he had pancreatic cancer
1178
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,260
my real father died in his sleep all
1179
01:11:02,260 --> 01:11:04,180
this was in six years a six year period
1180
01:11:04,180 --> 01:11:09,720
I lost everyone in my family everybody
1181
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,190
mr. Burkett if you'll close the eyes and
1182
01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:59,429
you think about a different life and it
1183
01:11:59,429 --> 01:12:04,170
could start all over how would you raise
1184
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:08,390
the children well
1185
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,100
it's hard to answer something that
1186
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,040
you've never done and you know
1187
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,800
embarrassing embarrassing to say that
1188
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,650
but but I know when I was like I would
1189
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:26,200
like to them have did what I had a
1190
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,510
scholarship to the University of Texas
1191
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:32,200
in 1973 in football and I quit school in
1192
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,120
my senior year quit football and quit
1193
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,990
school and lost then and and I wish I
1194
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:40,660
could go back to right there yes go back
1195
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:42,580
to right there and no you have the
1196
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:45,280
children then I had the children and I
1197
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,070
and I would have a hook I would have
1198
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:51,310
done everything in my power to to help
1199
01:12:51,310 --> 01:12:55,030
them finish school like I did and I
1200
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:57,490
always tell them don't be like me well I
1201
01:12:57,490 --> 01:13:00,160
wish I wish I would have been something
1202
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,840
they could have been and I wish they
1203
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,970
could have finished school I wish we
1204
01:13:03,970 --> 01:13:05,770
could have played baseball like I did
1205
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:07,930
when I was little little in Little
1206
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:09,490
League I wish that we could have played
1207
01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:10,270
baseball
1208
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:13,270
two of them did for like one time I wish
1209
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:15,460
we could have played baseball and I
1210
01:13:15,460 --> 01:13:16,780
wished I could've went to their football
1211
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:22,630
games and I raised a steer in in school
1212
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:24,880
for FFA I wish they could have did that
1213
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,740
we lived in the country that's what I
1214
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:30,760
wish we could go back all of us and go
1215
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,490
to school school events I got to watch
1216
01:13:33,490 --> 01:13:35,350
one of my son's play the horn one time
1217
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:37,660
in school and that's the stuff that I
1218
01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:41,590
remember that's the good stuff and this
1219
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:43,860
all wouldn't have happened
1220
01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:04,410
you
1221
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,900
I want to say this on the record I'm not
1222
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:18,730
saying that my husband was a Boy Scout
1223
01:14:18,730 --> 01:14:20,590
I'm not saying that Jason Burkett did
1224
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:22,449
absolutely had no knowledge and was like
1225
01:14:22,449 --> 01:14:24,550
selling cookies or raising money for
1226
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:28,420
camp when that happened I'm saying that
1227
01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:33,159
Jason did not kill one two or three
1228
01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:33,730
people
1229
01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:36,909
Sandra Jeremy and Adam were not killed
1230
01:14:36,909 --> 01:14:42,909
by Jason and you asked your husband you
1231
01:14:42,909 --> 01:14:46,540
asked Jason point-blank can you tell me
1232
01:14:46,540 --> 01:14:48,310
what what happened because he wanted to
1233
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:51,340
make sure what did you ask him
1234
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:54,880
I've asked Jason multiple times to tell
1235
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,560
me everything that I need to know I said
1236
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,630
Jason Jason doesn't have a whole lot of
1237
01:14:58,630 --> 01:15:00,969
money so we do most of his stuff pro se
1238
01:15:00,969 --> 01:15:03,449
which is where we file it ourselves and
1239
01:15:03,449 --> 01:15:06,130
me and his father have pretty much done
1240
01:15:06,130 --> 01:15:09,820
his appeal and I've always asked him I
1241
01:15:09,820 --> 01:15:11,949
need to know everything you can tell me
1242
01:15:11,949 --> 01:15:15,010
don't you get home and that's basically
1243
01:15:15,010 --> 01:15:16,630
how we start our conversations and Jason
1244
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:20,110
will recall things and it you know more
1245
01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:21,940
and more it's like been a snowball that
1246
01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:23,830
I picked up exactly what I think
1247
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:27,690
happened yeah India told he was innocent
1248
01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:31,060
yes and you do believe him
1249
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:34,870
I do believe him I like I said I believe
1250
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:37,630
that Jason had involvement I don't
1251
01:15:37,630 --> 01:15:38,860
believe he killed three people
1252
01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:43,449
I wrote Jason for maybe two years before
1253
01:15:43,449 --> 01:15:45,310
I went to meet him because really I
1254
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:46,540
could do most of the stuff through the
1255
01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:48,550
mail and one day I was talking to his
1256
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:51,460
mother and she said something to the
1257
01:15:51,460 --> 01:15:53,469
effect of you'll never guess what Jason
1258
01:15:53,469 --> 01:15:55,510
said to me today and I said what and she
1259
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:57,909
said he told me that he was in love with
1260
01:15:57,909 --> 01:16:02,340
you and I said that's crazy
1261
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:05,710
and I remember to give it like the
1262
01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:07,780
priest story I was with my best friend
1263
01:16:07,780 --> 01:16:09,340
and when I hung up I said my best
1264
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:12,489
friend's cat I was like cat Jason
1265
01:16:12,489 --> 01:16:14,560
Burkett's in love with me she goes
1266
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:15,820
that's probably pretty good cuz you're
1267
01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:18,610
in love with him too and I said what are
1268
01:16:18,610 --> 01:16:20,020
you talking about having an idiot you
1269
01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:20,290
know
1270
01:16:20,290 --> 01:16:23,170
and she said dude when is the last time
1271
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:25,600
you've been on a date when's lost and we
1272
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:26,500
haven't spent a Saturday
1273
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,970
night with Jason Burkett's court
1274
01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:30,700
paperwork I was like hey that smells
1275
01:16:30,700 --> 01:16:33,340
nice but I ended up driving I lived in
1276
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:35,140
Nebraska time I ended up driving from
1277
01:16:35,140 --> 01:16:38,170
Omaha to Abilene because I wanted him to
1278
01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:40,570
tell me himself and he was out the
1279
01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:42,970
Robertson unit you were two days into
1280
01:16:42,970 --> 01:16:47,020
night strange yes I drove it it seemed
1281
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:49,450
like unless - I drove a night I got
1282
01:16:49,450 --> 01:16:51,400
there and I remember I just asked him
1283
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,600
like that was the first thing I said I
1284
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,490
was like hot we've never seen each other
1285
01:16:54,490 --> 01:16:56,890
in our lives but hi your mom told me
1286
01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:58,930
that you're in love with me but I didn't
1287
01:16:58,930 --> 01:17:00,460
say it I wanted to be coy so I said your
1288
01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:01,960
mom told me you told her something and
1289
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,120
visit I said what did you tell her and
1290
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,510
he said I need stamps and I was like I
1291
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:09,040
wouldn't be an Abilene cuz you need
1292
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,080
stamps right what are you don't play
1293
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,270
games with me and he goes oh that part
1294
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:15,120
where I said I was in love with you and
1295
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,680
then I dropped the phone cuz I was
1296
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,060
nervous and I didn't know what to say
1297
01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:20,980
and I kind of fumbled through that whole
1298
01:17:20,980 --> 01:17:22,570
visit because I didn't immediately go I
1299
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:24,700
love you too I wasn't you know like a
1300
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:27,460
movie I was very nervous I'm not that
1301
01:17:27,460 --> 01:17:28,960
girl that falls in love with an inmate
1302
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,860
and I was like okay I'm just gonna be
1303
01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:35,410
cool with it and then when I left the
1304
01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:38,020
day I met Jason there was a rainbow and
1305
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:39,850
I'm not this is true it's in our letters
1306
01:17:39,850 --> 01:17:41,440
there was a rainbow that went from one
1307
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,900
gate side of the gate to the other side
1308
01:17:43,900 --> 01:17:46,330
of the gate and I thought that was the
1309
01:17:46,330 --> 01:17:49,090
most miraculous sign that this is this
1310
01:17:49,090 --> 01:17:50,650
is the boy that I'm supposed to be with
1311
01:17:50,650 --> 01:17:52,800
him this is he isn't innocent because
1312
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,530
how many times you see a whole rainbow
1313
01:17:55,530 --> 01:17:59,860
and when we saw a whole rainbow and my
1314
01:17:59,860 --> 01:18:01,450
friends with me he saw the rainbow - I
1315
01:18:01,450 --> 01:18:04,150
have a witness and when Jason when I got
1316
01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:06,610
home I had a letter waiting for me and I
1317
01:18:06,610 --> 01:18:08,890
said did you see the rainbow at the
1318
01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:11,980
gates of the prison he went from one
1319
01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:13,660
side my side on the outside to the
1320
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:15,810
inside
1321
01:18:30,849 --> 01:18:34,239
I believe in me you know I know what I
1322
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:36,670
know what happened back in 2001 I know
1323
01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:38,590
that I wasn't a part of it and I believe
1324
01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:41,650
strongly in in my faith in my attorneys
1325
01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:43,300
and in the outcome but at the same time
1326
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:44,710
I don't even recognize these walls I
1327
01:18:44,710 --> 01:18:45,969
don't pay attention to this because if
1328
01:18:45,969 --> 01:18:46,869
you do you're gonna lose your mind
1329
01:18:46,869 --> 01:18:48,280
you're gonna you're gonna go you're
1330
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:49,840
gonna you're gonna lose your mind I'm
1331
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,280
recently another guy just killed himself
1332
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,790
the other day and he left a note saying
1333
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:56,380
that y'all have to live around all this
1334
01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:59,829
craziness and I'm gone and that's
1335
01:18:59,829 --> 01:19:01,329
because he was focusing on it but I
1336
01:19:01,329 --> 01:19:02,980
don't I don't focus on it
1337
01:19:02,980 --> 01:19:06,340
you know I just I just distract myself I
1338
01:19:06,340 --> 01:19:07,929
stay busy I work on my case I have a
1339
01:19:07,929 --> 01:19:10,420
great family a lot of supporters that
1340
01:19:10,420 --> 01:19:13,090
help me so um I have enough distractions
1341
01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:14,650
if I didn't have enough distraction I
1342
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:17,530
might be in a different position at how
1343
01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:19,719
does time occur to you know in your
1344
01:19:19,719 --> 01:19:22,829
situation Wow and so that's a good thing
1345
01:19:22,829 --> 01:19:27,130
it really varies but you know because I
1346
01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:29,020
like I'll forget I'll literally forget
1347
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:30,940
and then I'll look at my calendar I'll
1348
01:19:30,940 --> 01:19:32,590
hear someone say something about Hannah
1349
01:19:32,590 --> 01:19:34,840
and I'll sit back and I'll just stare at
1350
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,280
the wall and I'll be like man say eight
1351
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,679
days seven days six days or whatever and
1352
01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:41,770
it's like it's just I I must not be
1353
01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:43,239
comprehending the fact that it's that
1354
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:44,920
close because you know it's hard for me
1355
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,780
to say you know what I got talked to be
1356
01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:48,579
you know in the eight days these people
1357
01:19:48,579 --> 01:19:50,440
want to murder me and it's just
1358
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,989
something that it's hard for me too hard
1359
01:19:52,989 --> 01:19:54,010
for me to believe that the state of
1360
01:19:54,010 --> 01:19:58,050
Texas wants to murder me in eight days
1361
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:01,780
in West case in area you know exactly
1362
01:20:01,780 --> 01:20:05,409
what is going to happen on July 1st yeah
1363
01:20:05,409 --> 01:20:08,619
an execution you will be transported to
1364
01:20:08,619 --> 01:20:11,320
Huntsville right the walls in bits of
1365
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,139
this house yes sir and you will be
1366
01:20:14,139 --> 01:20:17,469
checked by a medical examiner I don't
1367
01:20:17,469 --> 01:20:19,000
know no no medical people can be
1368
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,610
involved I think they have to check you
1369
01:20:21,610 --> 01:20:24,219
that you are fit to be executed it's one
1370
01:20:24,219 --> 01:20:27,010
of them it might be it's one of these
1371
01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:29,139
absurdities if you're unconscious for
1372
01:20:29,139 --> 01:20:31,960
example you cannot be executed yeah if
1373
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,550
you're stark mad yeah that is true if
1374
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:38,530
you're bleeding from a gunshot wound
1375
01:20:38,530 --> 01:20:39,640
they would not
1376
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:44,770
put you onto the gurney all right
1377
01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:46,180
they gotta treat me first and then kill
1378
01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:50,560
me yeah that's that's kind of crazy to
1379
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:57,880
think about right yeah I just I just
1380
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,500
can't allow myself to think like I can't
1381
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:00,760
even picture myself laying on a gurney
1382
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,130
but if it happens I'll have to deal with
1383
01:21:03,130 --> 01:21:05,500
it huh you know I have to deal with it
1384
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,840
and I'll be able to watch over my mom
1385
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,720
from heaven with a clear conscience and
1386
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,000
be at peace you know like I said for a
1387
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,040
long time my life has been unhappy so
1388
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,880
finally I can find me some peace huh and
1389
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,330
you're at peace with yourself now took a
1390
01:21:22,330 --> 01:21:25,480
long time yes absolutely did took a long
1391
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:28,060
time to realize what a man was I was act
1392
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:29,140
there acting like a child
1393
01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:31,060
act like a child when I got here at
1394
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:34,990
first but uh I'm confident in Who I am
1395
01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:40,570
now Mac you parry
1396
01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:44,490
I wish you all the best yes thank you I
1397
01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:47,140
don't know what's gonna happen at we're
1398
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:50,080
gonna see we're gonna find out I'll find
1399
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,710
out on Monday
1400
01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:15,970
they knew what I was telling them no
1401
01:22:15,970 --> 01:22:18,790
true I mean I'm not gonna tell
1402
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:21,760
you anything but I'm gonna tell you
1403
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:23,940
everything snow hat back here
1404
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:27,070
four o'clock guys gonna come in here and
1405
01:22:27,070 --> 01:22:30,220
they're gonna fingerprint you shortly
1406
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:32,680
after that I was gonna lie to you to
1407
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,890
take a shower and then we're gonna put
1408
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:38,410
you in Free World clothes that you get
1409
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:40,390
you dress in Free World clothes free
1410
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:42,310
wore clothes would be too close you and
1411
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:46,420
I would wear if I had six like whatever
1412
01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:48,280
your your request for the last meal
1413
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,810
they'll bring it in
1414
01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:51,820
you know you'll sit there and eat your
1415
01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:55,390
last meal during that time if you need
1416
01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:59,560
anything else just ask you know need
1417
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,280
some more geez Ponce or whatever else we
1418
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,100
got back here just ask their own day
1419
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,200
sometimes it has strange requests you
1420
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,240
know within reason I'm gonna get it for
1421
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,880
you requests or one one man I sure like
1422
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,860
to smoke a doobie right now well that's
1423
01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:25,600
not gonna happen you know the guy with
1424
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,580
the key he opens the door
1425
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:29,440
it's Winston's adorable there's another
1426
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,210
correction also behind him and another
1427
01:23:31,210 --> 01:23:35,080
behind me soon as he does he follows me
1428
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,660
in then the other correction officers
1429
01:23:37,660 --> 01:23:39,910
followed right in behind them so to be
1430
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:41,680
two in front of in front of they mate
1431
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,360
and then the other three right behind
1432
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:43,840
him
1433
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,780
I tell him jump up on the gurney or so
1434
01:23:46,780 --> 01:23:48,820
then our automatic only a few steps from
1435
01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:53,020
this end if I would say no more than ten
1436
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:56,670
steps at that much
1437
01:23:56,670 --> 01:24:00,390
I would immediately go rancid
1438
01:24:00,390 --> 01:24:02,429
occurrences I always took care of the
1439
01:24:02,429 --> 01:24:05,370
left leg so as soon as he laid down I
1440
01:24:05,370 --> 01:24:07,949
took their left leg the other person was
1441
01:24:07,949 --> 01:24:10,080
in front with me would take care of the
1442
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,160
right the three didn't fell in behind
1443
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,080
one would take care of the the right arm
1444
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,070
I will take care of the left arm and the
1445
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:23,160
other one would be there in case they
1446
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,219
may once he legs down if he had a
1447
01:24:26,219 --> 01:24:28,530
response to tried to get back to up his
1448
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:30,449
job was to hold to hold his shoulders
1449
01:24:30,449 --> 01:24:33,510
down you know you know what you're up
1450
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:37,290
there you're up there you know within
1451
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:39,690
that time us four people would have him
1452
01:24:39,690 --> 01:24:42,540
done probably within about 15 seconds
1453
01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:45,690
he'd be strapped down that couldn't cuz
1454
01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:47,460
we all knew exactly where straps were
1455
01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:50,820
what was possible that time to the
1456
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:56,239
process we trained on it
1457
01:24:56,590 --> 01:24:59,780
so last time you're gonna see I'm gonna
1458
01:24:59,780 --> 01:25:02,239
see him where his eyes open because
1459
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,449
after the execution is done and the
1460
01:25:04,449 --> 01:25:07,070
process went and then they told the
1461
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:12,320
doctor in to pronounce him dead you
1462
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,239
netted about at least my job begins
1463
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,120
again because I have to go back in there
1464
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,420
and that's that's awful
1465
01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:23,000
also kind of difficult because here you
1466
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,850
sit with this individual eight to ten
1467
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:32,300
hours all day long and now the last
1468
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:34,850
thing you're doing is removing those
1469
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:38,120
straps the stress had to be roof and put
1470
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,710
them on another gurney for the funeral
1471
01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:44,060
home and then you thought he didn't
1472
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:45,949
think about none of this why are you
1473
01:25:45,949 --> 01:25:49,190
doing this the procedure there are none
1474
01:25:49,190 --> 01:25:53,060
of this you don't keep you don't put
1475
01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:55,580
those emotions out there do you did you
1476
01:25:55,580 --> 01:26:01,640
did the job go home you did tell many
1477
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:08,810
executions roughly they was over 125 120
1478
01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:10,640
somewhere over hundred twenty there was
1479
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,890
a bunch was that to the point or
1480
01:26:12,890 --> 01:26:14,929
especially after I'd sometimes I
1481
01:26:14,929 --> 01:26:17,900
promoted to captain in 90 where we're
1482
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:22,460
doing two a week that was getting
1483
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:28,090
tiresome in what happened to you then I
1484
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:34,580
back when they when they brought in
1485
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:37,520
taller face I stayed back there with her
1486
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,290
now definitely there was the first
1487
01:26:41,290 --> 01:26:45,830
female there we were fixes to execute
1488
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:51,110
I remember one thing so vividly that it
1489
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:53,929
was an hour before and I was standing
1490
01:26:53,929 --> 01:26:56,060
there in the chaplain Center and she
1491
01:26:56,060 --> 01:26:57,860
looked at me she knows Thank You captain
1492
01:26:57,860 --> 01:26:59,150
Allen for everything you've done
1493
01:26:59,150 --> 01:27:04,909
oh so you're welcome you know I saw like
1494
01:27:04,909 --> 01:27:07,639
he'll say and what else what else I'm
1495
01:27:07,639 --> 01:27:09,110
gonna say
1496
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:14,170
you down another hour which we went
1497
01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:16,909
precision everything went just wave was
1498
01:27:16,909 --> 01:27:20,000
supposed to you know she was pronounced
1499
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,440
dead and went back in there and I took
1500
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,989
the girl took straps off put her you
1501
01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:25,699
know journey and this dog we locked
1502
01:27:25,699 --> 01:27:28,219
everything up and one of our business
1503
01:27:28,219 --> 01:27:31,340
and and everything was fine I had a
1504
01:27:31,340 --> 01:27:33,710
little shop in the back it was six
1505
01:27:33,710 --> 01:27:35,600
o'clock and the news come on over the
1506
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,119
radio and started again and for some
1507
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:43,190
reason just out of the blue I heard it
1508
01:27:43,190 --> 01:27:49,010
they triggered me seeing her hurt and I
1509
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,409
start shaking oh what's wrong and then
1510
01:27:51,409 --> 01:27:56,960
it was it was it was a shake it was a
1511
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,690
shake like I couldn't why am i shaking
1512
01:27:59,690 --> 01:28:02,210
it and then I was just see my I was
1513
01:28:02,210 --> 01:28:06,980
sweaty and in tears also and this this
1514
01:28:06,980 --> 01:28:11,780
is hurt I remembered her and it's two
1515
01:28:11,780 --> 01:28:13,760
days afterwards I remembered her
1516
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,739
execution hers wasn't no different
1517
01:28:15,739 --> 01:28:20,449
anybody else but it was hers and then I
1518
01:28:20,449 --> 01:28:24,469
started actually visualizing the other
1519
01:28:24,469 --> 01:28:29,150
inmates as you asked me did you look at
1520
01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:31,280
in their eyes I wonder if I could see
1521
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,409
them I could actually see him in the
1522
01:28:33,409 --> 01:28:37,760
holding cell again you know one right
1523
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,630
after another and it seemed like it was
1524
01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:46,100
just my wife what's wrong with you and I
1525
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:49,250
don't know and he talked somebody and
1526
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:51,020
the first person I could think of was
1527
01:28:51,020 --> 01:28:54,739
Terrell Chaplin picking any time over
1528
01:28:54,739 --> 01:28:57,350
house and we said how old Swain and I
1529
01:28:57,350 --> 01:29:01,850
started coming down tonight what's wrong
1530
01:29:01,850 --> 01:29:04,820
and I told him and then I looked at
1531
01:29:04,820 --> 01:29:08,080
careless I can't do no more that's it
1532
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,770
I'm done I can't I can't go back there
1533
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:13,690
anymore
1534
01:29:13,690 --> 01:29:17,150
could it be that you thought that this
1535
01:29:17,150 --> 01:29:20,210
was not yourself but maybe it was a real
1536
01:29:20,210 --> 01:29:21,430
self
1537
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:27,890
that moment has real possibility that's
1538
01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:32,290
really deep inside of just came out
1539
01:29:32,290 --> 01:29:37,700
that's a good very I mean that's coming
1540
01:29:37,700 --> 01:29:40,910
from that point on I mean I've had a
1541
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:44,360
different outlook in life if executions
1542
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,880
was the law then I was going to make
1543
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,430
sure there was done professionally with
1544
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:54,190
integrity after Karla and I was a pro
1545
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:58,580
capital punishment after Karla Fame
1546
01:29:58,580 --> 01:30:01,820
after all this until this day eleven
1547
01:30:01,820 --> 01:30:08,600
years later no sir I don't nobody has
1548
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,100
the right to tell you another life I
1549
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:15,620
don't care if it's the law and it's so
1550
01:30:15,620 --> 01:30:18,880
easy to change the law
1551
01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:47,640
I don't want to sound like a evil person
1552
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,410
but I'm so glad I went to the execution
1553
01:30:50,410 --> 01:30:53,320
I really am I thought with my with
1554
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,170
myself about going I reserved this the
1555
01:30:56,170 --> 01:31:00,940
seat so I could be there but I'm glad I
1556
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:02,590
went I'm really glad I went
1557
01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:05,710
it really did something to me yeah what
1558
01:31:05,710 --> 01:31:11,020
did he do I don't know I don't know what
1559
01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:14,770
I don't know what happened but I
1560
01:31:14,770 --> 01:31:17,230
immediately after the execution I felt
1561
01:31:17,230 --> 01:31:20,320
like a that's saying a huge weight had
1562
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,230
been lifted I actually could take a deep
1563
01:31:23,230 --> 01:31:29,280
breath my heart didn't take as much
1564
01:31:29,739 --> 01:31:32,860
I remember walking in and thinking this
1565
01:31:32,860 --> 01:31:35,349
looks like a boy I hadn't built this
1566
01:31:35,349 --> 01:31:40,679
huge monster evil you know murdering
1567
01:31:40,679 --> 01:31:43,929
monster in my head and he he was just a
1568
01:31:43,929 --> 01:31:47,980
boy he was just a boy lighting all that
1569
01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:50,309
gurney
1570
01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:02,300
when I walked in he looked at me and he
1571
01:32:02,300 --> 01:32:04,099
looked away and he did a double-take
1572
01:32:04,099 --> 01:32:06,320
same thing Jason Burkett did in court I
1573
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,780
look like my mom I look a lot like my
1574
01:32:08,780 --> 01:32:13,820
mother and what did you say he forgave
1575
01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:19,369
us he forgave us yeah and I was upset
1576
01:32:19,369 --> 01:32:21,739
when I walked in and I was crying
1577
01:32:21,739 --> 01:32:23,659
you know we're holding my whole family
1578
01:32:23,659 --> 01:32:26,630
we didn't want to see someone die you
1579
01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:28,729
know that no one should have to do go
1580
01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:31,219
through that but we were there for my
1581
01:32:31,219 --> 01:32:34,190
mother you know when my brother and we
1582
01:32:34,190 --> 01:32:36,380
were crying and when he said he forgave
1583
01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:38,869
us put what for the atrocity brought
1584
01:32:38,869 --> 01:32:41,530
against him
1585
01:32:49,790 --> 01:32:53,830
and then he said he's ready to go I
1586
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:59,660
heard his mother cry and they gave him
1587
01:32:59,660 --> 01:33:05,000
the injection he gasped for air four
1588
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:21,470
times I watched his shirt don't you know
1589
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:22,700
it's heart being on shirt
1590
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:26,540
I watched it till it stopped then it
1591
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,240
stopped at 6:14 one tear fell down as I
1592
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:33,550
one tear and he was gone
1593
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:43,880
and it was over and prospect of someone
1594
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,680
who is going to be locked away for life
1595
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,550
without parole would that satisfy you as
1596
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:52,190
yes so it would be definitely an
1597
01:33:52,190 --> 01:33:58,070
alternative because death penalty sounds
1598
01:33:58,070 --> 01:34:00,260
a little bit too much like Old Testament
1599
01:34:00,260 --> 01:34:04,580
the wrath of God Jesus probably would
1600
01:34:04,580 --> 01:34:10,940
not have been at that look at us but
1601
01:34:10,940 --> 01:34:15,640
some people just don't deserve to live
1602
01:34:16,570 --> 01:34:19,490
can I say something please I know I'm
1603
01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:23,950
July the furthest my name they executed
1604
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:29,030
Michael and I knew Michael pretty well
1605
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:31,700
yeah and I kept up with I have another
1606
01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:34,490
four kind of clipping and website thing
1607
01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:36,950
I have on him and Jason I have like a
1608
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:39,890
whole Locker box full so I know as much
1609
01:34:39,890 --> 01:34:42,830
about him as is anybody in my in Mike
1610
01:34:42,830 --> 01:34:45,740
Michael was just just like Jason they
1611
01:34:45,740 --> 01:34:49,250
were both young and whatever they did or
1612
01:34:49,250 --> 01:34:51,370
didn't do I don't know I wasn't there
1613
01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:55,700
but Michael was just was just a young
1614
01:34:55,700 --> 01:34:58,069
young kid and
1615
01:34:58,069 --> 01:35:02,269
and I know he I know when they executed
1616
01:35:02,269 --> 01:35:04,760
him I know how I know his less words and
1617
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,149
everything else and and and I know I
1618
01:35:08,149 --> 01:35:09,519
know
1619
01:35:09,519 --> 01:35:14,599
by executing Michael I don't think it
1620
01:35:14,599 --> 01:35:17,030
brought any of those people back and I
1621
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:19,729
don't think it deterred anything I don't
1622
01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:21,399
think it deterred anybody out there
1623
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:23,839
much-publicized as it was he did not
1624
01:35:23,839 --> 01:35:25,909
deter anything and I really did not
1625
01:35:25,909 --> 01:35:27,619
believe that it solved anything by
1626
01:35:27,619 --> 01:35:30,979
taking another life and it hurt me but
1627
01:35:30,979 --> 01:35:32,929
when he went when it come time for his
1628
01:35:32,929 --> 01:35:35,089
execution I knew it was gonna be about
1629
01:35:35,089 --> 01:35:37,969
six o'clock it's six early a few minutes
1630
01:35:37,969 --> 01:35:40,789
after 6:00 p.m. and I was on my knees at
1631
01:35:40,789 --> 01:35:44,659
my bump in for Michael praying for
1632
01:35:44,659 --> 01:35:50,629
Michael and a feeling come over me about
1633
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:52,969
ten five or ten minutes after 6:00 a
1634
01:35:52,969 --> 01:35:56,329
feeling come over me that's very very
1635
01:35:56,329 --> 01:35:59,149
hard to explain it was like I felt the
1636
01:35:59,149 --> 01:36:03,769
loss of what used to be my son's best
1637
01:36:03,769 --> 01:36:04,309
friend
1638
01:36:04,309 --> 01:36:07,760
I felt I felt that I felt that pain
1639
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:13,669
whenever they killed him but I just wish
1640
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:15,409
those family the family members would
1641
01:36:15,409 --> 01:36:18,139
know that I'm like that I am I heard for
1642
01:36:18,139 --> 01:36:21,319
their loss that's very importantly
1643
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:23,389
Michael never never that's what upset
1644
01:36:23,389 --> 01:36:25,579
them because Michael never tried to
1645
01:36:25,579 --> 01:36:27,799
reach out to them I wish I could and say
1646
01:36:27,799 --> 01:36:30,249
I'm sorry
1647
01:37:39,929 --> 01:37:42,879
Melissa let me address one thing among
1648
01:37:42,879 --> 01:37:45,939
death row inmates there's such a
1649
01:37:45,939 --> 01:37:50,349
phenomenon like death row groupies the
1650
01:37:50,349 --> 01:37:54,939
same way rock stars have groupies and
1651
01:37:54,939 --> 01:37:57,609
you have seen women like that I have
1652
01:37:57,609 --> 01:37:59,589
seen women like that in fairness I've
1653
01:37:59,589 --> 01:38:01,209
also have seen women who are married to
1654
01:38:01,209 --> 01:38:04,149
death row inmates and truly committed
1655
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:06,939
relationships that I believe are not
1656
01:38:06,939 --> 01:38:08,679
disingenuous and I believe come from
1657
01:38:08,679 --> 01:38:11,050
their heart you know some people are
1658
01:38:11,050 --> 01:38:12,729
just supposed to be together whether
1659
01:38:12,729 --> 01:38:15,459
there's a cage and lawmen between you I
1660
01:38:15,459 --> 01:38:18,129
believe that I mean I do believe that
1661
01:38:18,129 --> 01:38:19,989
there's a fair amount of women who want
1662
01:38:19,989 --> 01:38:22,119
attention who my media coverage to seek
1663
01:38:22,119 --> 01:38:25,030
out infamous men I mean like Scott
1664
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:26,919
Peterson gets a hundred letters a day on
1665
01:38:26,919 --> 01:38:28,449
death row in California that's
1666
01:38:28,449 --> 01:38:30,959
ridiculous he murdered his pregnant wife
1667
01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:33,729
yes I said correct that case yeah a
1668
01:38:33,729 --> 01:38:35,439
good-looking man does that you know
1669
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:40,379
however Jason is not an ugly man either
1670
01:38:40,379 --> 01:38:43,149
describe him to us please like
1671
01:38:43,149 --> 01:38:44,789
physically yes
1672
01:38:44,789 --> 01:38:48,489
you only have touched his hand describe
1673
01:38:48,489 --> 01:38:53,409
his hands to us they're a lot bigger
1674
01:38:53,409 --> 01:38:56,589
than mine right there are tiny hands he
1675
01:38:56,589 --> 01:38:59,559
always Jason he holds hands funny and he
1676
01:38:59,559 --> 01:39:01,989
always holds my hand like that as
1677
01:39:01,989 --> 01:39:04,239
opposed to intertwine so he holds on to
1678
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,179
me and I just know that his hands were
1679
01:39:07,179 --> 01:39:11,289
massive because he wears a ring size 11
1680
01:39:11,289 --> 01:39:14,219
our wedding rings it's an 11 and a half
1681
01:39:14,219 --> 01:39:17,619
and I were a four so you can totally cup
1682
01:39:17,619 --> 01:39:19,859
my hand
1683
01:39:21,929 --> 01:39:24,219
where are you allowed to touch each
1684
01:39:24,219 --> 01:39:24,749
other
1685
01:39:24,749 --> 01:39:29,999
hardly each other exchanged rings
1686
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:35,270
I still can't get a ring and you were
1687
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:38,540
separated by a glass wall just like this
1688
01:39:38,540 --> 01:39:41,420
right here except for we had a phone and
1689
01:39:41,420 --> 01:39:42,920
it was solid right here it's not aglow
1690
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,030
but when she comes for visits are you
1691
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:50,270
allowed to hug her I am now after we
1692
01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:52,190
married I'm allowed to hug her I'm
1693
01:39:52,190 --> 01:39:53,810
allowed to give her a kiss before and
1694
01:39:53,810 --> 01:39:55,970
after visit we're allowed to hold hands
1695
01:39:55,970 --> 01:39:59,030
on the table and have contacted but of
1696
01:39:59,030 --> 01:40:01,520
course of course with the guards present
1697
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,690
as close as you are to me and you would
1698
01:40:05,690 --> 01:40:08,750
like to have children yes how would that
1699
01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:12,170
happen how what sort of option is there
1700
01:40:12,170 --> 01:40:15,680
I want 50 children she wants to saw man
1701
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,360
we have to work on this
1702
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:20,690
I want children for different reasons I
1703
01:40:20,690 --> 01:40:23,500
want children with her specifically
1704
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:25,790
because I love her I want to be with her
1705
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:27,860
I want to give her something she'll
1706
01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:32,030
always have with me I'm under the
1707
01:40:32,030 --> 01:40:34,070
impression seeing you now that you
1708
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:38,450
became pregnant only a few days after we
1709
01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:42,530
met your husband um you guys spent him
1710
01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:45,560
on the 18th of October I think so yeah
1711
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,300
something like yeah I believe my baby
1712
01:40:47,300 --> 01:40:52,880
was made on the 23rd October right after
1713
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:58,670
we saw a house there to 24th you went
1714
01:40:58,670 --> 01:41:03,500
into action first speak
1715
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:08,540
and the father of the baby is legally
1716
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:12,190
will be chasing yes it is chasing
1717
01:41:12,190 --> 01:41:15,020
biologically legally I can't every
1718
01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:17,690
single sense since you are not allowed
1719
01:41:17,690 --> 01:41:21,860
to do more than touching hands how do
1720
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:25,700
you become pregnant there's a mystery
1721
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:28,910
yeah it's kind of a mystery um there is
1722
01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:30,200
people involved that I don't wanna
1723
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:35,030
mention no we would not imply any anyone
1724
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:40,070
but I have to speculate s such a thing
1725
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:44,150
like contraband entering prisons like
1726
01:41:44,150 --> 01:41:47,690
let's say drugs cellphones illegal
1727
01:41:47,690 --> 01:41:51,200
messages there seems to be something the
1728
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:52,340
other way round
1729
01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:55,670
contraband from the prison to the
1730
01:41:55,670 --> 01:42:00,140
outside and you became pregnant oh can
1731
01:42:00,140 --> 01:42:03,320
be formulated like this we we prefer to
1732
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,300
say that I was artificially inseminated
1733
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:23,150
do you have a name for the boy I love we
1734
01:42:23,150 --> 01:42:27,199
came up with Eastern Eastern Aran
1735
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:29,600
okay shows I think there's a face can
1736
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,300
you point it out it's right there if you
1737
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:35,480
actually can see it close enough you can
1738
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:39,250
tell my baby has my strong job
1739
01:42:51,429 --> 01:42:53,679
you live on through your children and
1740
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,439
the love that you put into them projects
1741
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,320
to the world my parents are both gone
1742
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,300
and I had this big hole in my heart and
1743
01:43:01,300 --> 01:43:04,570
I realized that what you do is you take
1744
01:43:04,570 --> 01:43:08,840
all of that love and you give it back
1745
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:13,449
I mean nothing else matters
1746
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:46,910
I actually have this shirt tacked up on
1747
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:49,400
my walk can they see the shrimp can you
1748
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,970
turn it around
1749
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,760
I just make sure and somebody told me
1750
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:02,260
about the the live your - and that's
1751
01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:06,250
really after all this that I went
1752
01:44:06,250 --> 01:44:07,600
through and quitting everything I've
1753
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,990
heard the stores telling me of a few -
1754
01:44:10,990 --> 01:44:12,580
how do you how do you gonna live your
1755
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:15,130
dash and then they don't understand what
1756
01:44:15,130 --> 01:44:16,930
are you talking about - and this one's
1757
01:44:16,930 --> 01:44:20,080
your tombstone you get your birth date
1758
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,050
and you got the day that you decease and
1759
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:24,850
you get that little dash in the middle
1760
01:44:24,850 --> 01:44:27,850
that's your life right there that's
1761
01:44:27,850 --> 01:44:29,830
wrong that's everything between from
1762
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:31,660
your tummy is born from the time you die
1763
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:34,600
how are you gonna live your - and that's
1764
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,960
where I'm at now I'm going to live my -
1765
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:41,440
and made sure that everything tried to
1766
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:43,680
make everything right for the family
1767
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:48,520
everybody hold still and watch the birds
1768
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:53,080
and you knew once you get up in Mt life
1769
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,390
like that and once you feel good about
1770
01:44:55,390 --> 01:44:57,760
your life you understand you do start
1771
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,150
watching what the birds do you know what
1772
01:45:01,150 --> 01:45:02,410
the Ducks are don't like the
1773
01:45:02,410 --> 01:45:06,510
hummingbirds why there's so many of them
1774
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,100
you
1775
01:47:04,730 --> 01:47:06,790
you
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