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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,959 They had everything going for them. 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,280 The whole world was their oyster. 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,159 You send your kids to college 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,040 and expect them to come back. 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,319 He entered the home and butchered those students. 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,960 That crime scene, I can still see it in my head. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,359 Moscow police department, 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,640 they sat me down and they said, we have a suspect. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,199 In the middle of the night. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,319 They kicked through the doors of a house, 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,440 and they arrested a man of 28 years old. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,960 This could be him. 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,800 He's not someone like the rest of us. 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,759 Knowing what he had done, 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,760 his face scares you. 16 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,079 It scared us that there wasn't much information 17 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,279 coming from the authorities, 18 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,039 because it left just too much room 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,279 for the community and students 20 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,399 to kind of ruminate about what could be happening. 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,439 We all felt incredibly heartbroken and scared, 22 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,360 and we wanted to make some sense of 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,640 how something like this could happen. 24 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,520 It was inconceivable. 25 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,800 We were terrified that there were going to be more. 26 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,119 That it wasn't going to stop at the four. 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,080 We were all on edge. 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,720 It's hard, just as a human being to... 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,759 not have those thoughts of, we might not find this person, 30 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,920 we might not be successful. 31 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,599 It really gets to a point where 32 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 those of us in the community start talking and we say, 33 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,079 we start wondering, 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,880 is this case going to go cold? 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,919 You know, we just haven't heard, 36 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,240 what if this person gets away with it? 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,080 It was terrifying. 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,679 But we did our best to, in those moments 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,839 when I know, me personally, when I have thoughts like that, 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,679 doubling down on my motivation 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,079 and my drive and my focus on what I needed to do 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,520 to continue down the path and get back to the mission. 43 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,999 On the scene, we're following the cars, 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,559 we're following some of the victimology, 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,800 we're following on tips. 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,199 Now we also have the labs working the DNA. 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,039 There was male DNA found on the knife sheath 48 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,520 that was in the bed with the victims. 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,239 The DNA originally is tested against the DNA databases, 50 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,920 and we do not have a match in the DNA databases. 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,079 There was no match to that DNA in CODIS, 52 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,479 which just means that 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,840 the subject has not been tested before the murders. 54 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,639 At that point, we decided to transfer that DNA 55 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,600 to the investigative genealogy team. 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,079 The FBI were saying that there's this thing 57 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,159 that's been developed now. 58 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,160 It's called DNA genealogy. 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,039 And there are these databases all throughout the world 60 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,480 that you can take this DNA sample to. 61 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,160 They'll create what's called a genome out of it, 62 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,159 and be able to give you a profile of who this person is. 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,079 Potentially, you could go do this, 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,159 and it might help point you in a direction 65 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,040 of who this DNA belongs to. 66 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,279 I was put in charge of transporting the DNA sample 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,119 that we got off of the sheath to Houston, Texas, 68 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,759 to a company called Othram, 69 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:13,079 where they were going to submit it in for DNA genealogy 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,480 to be able to hopefully figure out who this suspect was. 71 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,719 But it is a process. 72 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,080 It does take time for us to get the answers that we need. 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,079 Also, at the same time, 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,319 we kept investigating the Hyundai Elantra. 75 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,199 We knew we were looking for a newer model Hyundai Elantra, 76 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,680 White in colour. 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,439 The FBI, they gave us about a six-year period, though, 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,079 that we could be looking at. 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,159 Anywhere from 2013, all the way up to like 2018-ish. 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Fairly big span that initially we were looking at, 81 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,639 and we started looking at our databases, 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,239 trying to see if we could pull any of those 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,759 from those years that he gave us 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,920 for a white Hyundai Elantra to see if we had any in town. 85 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,159 So that we could start looking at the owners of those vehicles 86 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,280 and trying to see if we can make connections. 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,719 To try to see if we can narrow it down, 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,279 we had asked universities for parking permits. 89 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:11,719 We had looked at registered owners. 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,039 We had anything that popped up with local registrants, 91 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,719 we deep dove on them to find anything and that stuff. 92 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,680 We were trying to research all of those. 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,839 Moscow police, 94 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,719 the Idaho State Police and the FBI 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,319 all put out calls for information related to 96 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,039 white Hyundai Elantra's, who may have been in North Idaho 97 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,279 or have some association with Idahoans, 98 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,479 or may even be a rental, 99 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,279 or may, you know, nobody knows anything. 100 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,559 All over America, 101 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,919 people are looking for white Hyundai Elantra's. 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,399 I'm down here in Boise, 103 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,519 I'm even like writing down licence plates 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,759 on white Hyundai Elantras. 105 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,639 And I'm submitting information to the FBI 106 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,319 through some database online that they, they made accessible. 107 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,599 I specifically, myself, saw two Hyundai Elantras 108 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,760 that seemed, quote, suspicious. 109 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,239 And I went on to the FBI portal 110 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,759 and submitted tips with their licence plate numbers. 111 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,279 Everybody was doing that. 112 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:04,839 Thousands and thousands of tips they were getting 113 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,360 about white Hyundai Elantra's had to be processed somehow. 114 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,879 So that's more information being dumped into the FBI 115 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,680 and just overwhelming the system. 116 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,519 Everybody's looking for this car. 117 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,839 This car, this car. 118 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,719 We got 20,000 of them just in Idaho and eastern Washington. 119 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,079 And we don't know 120 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,239 that the killer's from Idaho or eastern Washington. 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,599 So what happens if you expand that up? 122 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,079 Our suspect pool 123 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,120 is still in the hundreds of thousands of people. 124 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,519 As we looked through all these names, 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,719 not a single person, or was related to your vehicle type, 126 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,319 you're just hitting another dead end at that point 127 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,839 as we were still waiting for 128 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,240 the genealogy stuff to come through. 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,599 But then we got a phone call from Othram. 130 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,079 They said that they were able to get a really good, 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,199 strong genome out of it. 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,280 They put it into the two databases they had access to, 133 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,559 and they couldn't come up with a definitive suspect, 134 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,799 but they found certain lineage 135 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,959 that potentially could lead us to a potential suspect 136 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,959 if we continued maybe doing more investigation, 137 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,559 trying to contact more people in this line 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,359 to see if they could tell us who they were related to 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,440 and try and build out this family, big family tree. 140 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,399 It was at that time that the FBI was like, 141 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,399 well, we have our own genealogy department 142 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,360 that has other methods that they can use. 143 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,119 And it was made at that point, 144 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,639 a decision at that point to take 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,279 what Othram had done and created up to that point, 146 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,559 take it to the FBI, get it to them, 147 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,119 and then they would continue on 148 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,799 with trying to dig deeper into the genealogy part of it 149 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,840 to see if we can't eventually get back to a suspect. 150 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,279 So as they start putting the information in 151 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,919 and they start building out a family tree, 152 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,559 they were able to find an individual 153 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,559 who had a familial resemblance. 154 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,119 So not the suspect, 155 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,439 but somehow tied to or related to 156 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,760 this DNA that we found on the sheath. 157 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,799 And then they were able to build it down from there 158 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,799 and get closer and closer and closer 159 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,959 to somebody who they thought maybe the suspect could be, 160 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,239 because they can't 100% definitively say 161 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,359 this is the suspect 162 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,359 or this is the person who did this crime 163 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,000 because it's the same DNA. 164 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:36,199 So as they build that family tree, 165 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,440 they start looking at different traits. 166 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,319 They knew, based off of how they break down these DNA genomes 167 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,159 and how they build them out, 168 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,399 that this individual had 169 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,760 a very high percentage of Italian heritage in them. 170 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,960 It was above 80% of their lineage came from Italy. 171 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,759 They were like, okay, we found one individual 172 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,359 who the mom and the dad, both we felt, 173 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,399 had a high enough Italian heritage 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,319 that most likely their child would be the actual person 175 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,240 whose DNA this belongs to. 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,679 And that couple, they found that husband and wife 177 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:19,600 only had one son. 178 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,119 When it was December 20th, we were all sitting together 179 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,879 where we had the meeting with 180 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,000 what they refer to as the IG unit in the FBI. 181 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,760 We were having a call to see where they were at with it. 182 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,600 And it was at that point he's like, so I have a name for you. 183 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,519 We got the name of Bryan Kohberger 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,600 as a potential person of interest. 185 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,840 We all just, who is that? 186 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,800 This could be him. 187 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,079 Now we have a name. 188 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Now you can start to really investigate the person. 189 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,719 [tense 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,960 music] 191 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,079 This could be him. 192 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,719 Again, we still couldn't say for sure if it was, 193 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,439 but we have a name. 194 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,720 We have somebody that we can start looking at. 195 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,079 Bryan Kohberger. 196 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,640 He's 28 years old. 197 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,439 He's from Pennsylvania. 198 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,239 A Washington State University graduate student 199 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,200 studying criminology. 200 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,279 So he was right across the state line, 201 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,160 just seven miles away at WSU. 202 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,799 As we dug deeper into his vehicle, 203 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,879 that individual owned a white Hyundai Elantra 204 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,640 within the six-year time period we were looking for. 205 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,719 I received a text from Moscow Police Chief James Fry 206 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,639 asking me if I could meet with him 207 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,839 at the Moscow Police Department. 208 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,519 At the time, I just thought I was going to be 209 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,319 another law enforcement briefing. 210 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,360 And so I showed up at Moscow PD 211 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,519 and we walked into a room 212 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,399 and it was full of all of the investigative team. 213 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,639 I think there were 30 or more people in that room, 214 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,999 and I was the only other law enforcement person. 215 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,759 So it was not just another law enforcement briefing 216 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,999 I knew, now there's some kind of connection to Pullman. 217 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,399 And they said, we have a suspect, 218 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,799 and the suspect is a graduate student 219 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,399 at Washington State University 220 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,280 living in graduate student housing. 221 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,519 And his name is Bryan Kohberger. 222 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,919 And when they told me the name, 223 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,599 it rang a bell, but I didn't immediately 224 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,679 remember why it rang a bell. 225 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,319 And it took me about 30s or so, 226 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,520 and I said, "I've talked to Bryan Kohberger before." 227 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,679 I interviewed him for a research assistant position 228 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,880 at Pullman Police Department in April. 229 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,359 I have his resume. 230 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,520 I have his cover letter. 231 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,760 Their ears definitely perked up. 232 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,960 Prior to being chief of WSU, he was chief of Pullman PD. 233 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,879 And he remembered getting a essay from Bryan Kohberger, 234 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,280 applying to be an intern at the police department. 235 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,319 He vividly remembered the essay 236 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,839 talking about how small police departments 237 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,559 don't have the training, the skills, 238 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,080 and that's what Bryan wanted to bring to the agency. 239 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,799 When I interviewed Bryan Kohberger in April, 240 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,319 he was just an applicant. 241 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,720 He was kind of an odd guy. 242 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,559 Not enough really, to be a what I would call a red flag to say, 243 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:23,440 wow, this guy is going to go out and do something horrible. 244 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,359 But just that, you know, this guy is just odd. 245 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,359 His personality is a little bit off. 246 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,960 Probably can't relate well to people. 247 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,559 He's a loner. 248 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:34,999 He didn't have a lot of friends. 249 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,199 He didn't have a girlfriend. 250 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,640 He didn't fit in. 251 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,479 It was a great decision to select who I selected 252 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,559 because she did so good, 253 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,040 but also not selecting Bryan Kohberger. 254 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,479 I knew he'd be a PhD student 255 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,079 coming to Washington State University, 256 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,359 but probably wouldn't have any interaction with him ever again, 257 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,920 and it was in the past. 258 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,199 Now his name comes up again, 259 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,559 not only comes up again, 260 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:00,480 but comes up as a quadruple homicide suspect. 261 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,999 And he was in the criminology program. 262 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,279 He was studying crime, 263 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,920 so there's an irony there. 264 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,799 It was quite a, quite a moment. 265 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,119 It was surreal. 266 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,320 I mean, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. 267 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,399 They asked me not to say a word to anyone, 268 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,680 and so I didn't. 269 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,519 They obviously were very concerned about 270 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,999 information leaking, 271 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,959 and not necessarily that it was going to be intentional, 272 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,159 but it could be an inadvertent leak that could 273 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,560 jeopardise an investigation of crime of this magnitude. 274 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,119 They already knew that he lived at Steptoe Village Apartments 275 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,600 on campus. 276 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,839 And then I found out that he did have a student office 277 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,240 on campus, as many PhD students do. 278 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,480 We found his apartment over at, at WSU. 279 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,880 His apartment is raided. 280 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,280 There's no DNA from any of the victims. 281 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,199 The only way for that to have happened 282 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,320 is if Kohberger had meticulously thought out his getaway. 283 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,119 He wasn't there. 284 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,679 His vehicle wasn't there, 285 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,160 so he didn't know where he was at that point in time. 286 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,119 We started trying to locate him. 287 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Where is he at? 288 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,120 We speak to local police. 289 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,359 At that point we find out before the murders, 290 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,679 a Washington state officer pulled him over 291 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,879 on Washington State University campus 292 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,040 for pulling into an intersection on a red light. 293 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,360 That body cam footage happens before the murders. 294 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,520 There was a killer among us, 295 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,480 somewhere, killer on the loose. 296 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,120 It was terrifying. 297 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,640 We needed to make the arrest on Bryan Kohberger. 298 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:32,400 But the investigative genealogy is not legally probable cause 299 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,599 you have to get a direct DNA match 300 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,360 to the DNA found by court accepted processes. 301 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,959 So we have a name, 302 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,479 which is, basically we have to treat as a lead. 303 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,959 It can't, it can't be used as evidentiary purposes. 304 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,199 So we have to get a DNA sample 305 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,399 to confirm and get a positive match to the DNA 306 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,240 on the knife sheath from that individual. 307 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,000 And so we had to locate Bryan Kohberger. 308 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,479 As we run him through the databases, 309 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,279 we see that prior to us receiving his name, 310 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,359 within days that he had travelled back east 311 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:15,960 from Washington State University. 312 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,079 We were able to learn that he was stopped 313 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,839 travelling from Washington State University 314 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,279 back to Pennsylvania, where he lived. 315 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,279 When Kohberger decided to drive, 316 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,159 uh, to drive home to Pennsylvania for the break, 317 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,599 his father flew out from Pennsylvania and, 318 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,399 uh, met him out here and drove back with him. 319 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,199 While driving through Indiana, 320 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,759 he was pulled over for following too close 321 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,440 to the vehicle in front of him. 322 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,039 Brian looked pretty suspicious 323 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,720 during those police stops. 324 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,639 His eyes were really wide 325 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,839 and he was trying not to make eye contact. 326 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,879 It kind of seemed like he was trying 327 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,720 to hide his face a little bit. 328 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,239 Is there a parent out there who could ever believe 329 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,960 that their child could do something like this? 330 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,319 The nice part about working with 331 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,119 the Federal Bureau of Investigation is 332 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,520 they have agents all over the United States. 333 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,279 So we were able to use them 334 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,799 and the local Pennsylvania State Police 335 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,479 to be able to go to his parent's house, 336 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,679 where we were able to then positively put his vehicle at 337 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,520 and show that he was now at home. 338 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,719 When they got his car from Pennsylvania. 339 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,159 It had been completely, meticulously detailed, 340 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,559 to the point where they describe it as 341 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,720 having almost been taken apart inside. 342 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,999 Very clearly scrubbed hard 343 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,040 to get rid of DNA. 344 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,039 The next steps after that 345 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,079 was trying to see if we can get a DNA sample 346 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,040 from somebody in that residence. 347 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,080 That would either be a positive match or a really close match 348 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,200 to the DNA off of the sheath again. 349 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,279 The agents and state police were able to pull 350 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,000 what's called a trash pull. 351 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,639 When you take your garbage and you put it on your kerb, 352 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,639 you are now abandoning that property. 353 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,479 So it becomes a point where we as law enforcement 354 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,959 can actually go grab your garbage. 355 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,560 We don't need a search warrant for it. 356 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,759 We can go get your garbage and go take it and process it. 357 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,759 So that's what we did. 358 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,919 We did a trash pull. 359 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,599 We went and grabbed the garbage off of 360 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,960 in front of their house, 361 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,839 took it back to 362 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,479 one of the police departments there in Pennsylvania 363 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:30,880 where they went through it. 364 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,559 We had our investigators on the phone 365 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,239 FaceTiming with these investigators over there, 366 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,559 looking at the evidence to try and pick out 367 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,759 what is it that we want to try and test 368 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,719 that we feel will have the best opportunity 369 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080 to provide us with a DNA sample. 370 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600 So they went and picked a bunch of different items. 371 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,440 Those items were brought to us back here in Idaho 372 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,600 and handed them off to the Idaho State Lab. 373 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,919 One of those items was a Q-Tip that had wax on. 374 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,599 It provided us with a male DNA sample 375 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,640 that 100% had to be the father of our suspect. 376 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,199 And we knew at that point in time that 377 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Brian was at the house. 378 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,920 It was his dad's house. 379 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,119 So we knew that Brian was the individual 380 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,599 who killed these four students. 381 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,879 In the middle of the night, 382 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,079 they kicked through the doors of a house in Pennsylvania 383 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,440 all the way across the country, 384 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,280 almost 3000 miles away from Moscow, 385 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240 and they arrested Bryan Kohberger. 386 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,239 It's December 30th, eight in the morning, 387 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,439 phone goes off, miss a call. 388 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,319 It's my supervisor, oh, call her back. 389 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,359 Going off, going off, going off, I answer. 390 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:12,759 "They're having a press conference. 391 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,039 What do you think it means?" 392 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,319 They have someone. 393 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,479 I get to City Hall, I walk in, the police officers are there, 394 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,759 they're all dressed to the nines. 395 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600 They're beaming, smiling. 396 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,159 Never seen them happier. 397 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,360 I'm like, this is really something. 398 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,760 And they announce we have arrested Bryan Kohberger 399 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,479 It was just this complete rush of relief 400 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,959 and excitement of, 401 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,439 okay, we have him in custody. 402 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,840 We have our suspect. 403 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,519 This is a huge sigh of relief for the community 404 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,720 because even though this person isn't convicted yet, 405 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,679 this is progress after a time in silence, 406 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,839 after such a long time in fear. 407 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,119 That night, I'm in town, 408 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,439 I stay in town. 409 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,199 I'm like, maybe I should just go out to the bar, 410 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,279 see how people are feeling. 411 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,799 I walk into the Corner Club. 412 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,120 It may as well have already been New Year's Eve. 413 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159 Everybody in Moscow is connected to this. 414 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,599 They know someone who knows someone who knows someone. 415 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,160 You want to have someone who can answer for it, 416 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,679 but then you're also, 417 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,399 It's shocking to, to have that name 418 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,359 to know, wow, this real person who lived, 419 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,040 you know, only a couple miles away 420 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920 did this violent, just horrible murder. 421 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,800 After knowing what he had done, 422 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,120 his face scares you. 423 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,239 His eyes really freaked me out. 424 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,839 They're very wide. 425 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,760 Every image and video that I've seen of him, he's just stoned. 426 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,679 He is going to be extradited back to Idaho 427 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240 and face charges for these crimes. 428 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,239 And I mean, they put a helmet on his ass. 429 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,839 When they got him out of that plane, 430 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,359 they put a helmet on him 431 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,959 because they knew that there's plenty of good old boys here 432 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,319 that were ready to take care of that. 433 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,400 I mean, you're landing in Idaho. 434 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,480 Big trouble. 435 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,720 They're bringing them to us so we can interview him. 436 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,040 That... 437 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,679 wave of relief just washed over me. 438 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,199 It's like we have him. 439 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,240 He could no longer hurt anyone. 440 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,040 The excitement was just overwhelming for me. 441 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,359 They initially started to just have a conversation, 442 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,119 as we typically do with potential suspects, 443 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,079 to, to kind of get a baseline 444 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,720 as to the way that they speak, and some of their mannerisms. 445 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 And initially, 446 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:08,119 the suspect was more or less willing to talk about things 447 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:09,359 like his schooling 448 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,519 and how he had ended up back in Pennsylvania 449 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,999 and how he was a WSU student, things like that. 450 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,600 Kohberger asked our investigators multiple times, 451 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,159 what is this all about? 452 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,839 Why are we here? What are we talking about? 453 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,199 And when our investigators more or less said, 454 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,559 we're here to talk to you about an incident 455 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,119 that occurred in Moscow. 456 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,919 That was the point at which he invoked his right to counsel 457 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040 and refused to speak any further with the investigators. 458 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,919 He didn't want to cooperate in our investigation. 459 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240 He never provided us with any answers. 460 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,439 We couldn't get a confession from him 461 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920 that he committed this crime outright. 462 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,199 So just that reassurance, more reassurance to us 463 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,600 that we do have the right person. 464 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,759 After that is when we really try to understand 465 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,119 everything we could about him, 466 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,400 who he was, what his history was. 467 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,679 Part of that is trying to figure out why 468 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160 anyone would want to do this. 469 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,000 We learned that he was known to be a bit socially awkward. 470 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,479 He seemed to put pressure on people 471 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,959 by staring at them. 472 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,839 He invaded their space. 473 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,399 He cut off rooms so that you couldn't exit. 474 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,119 If he wanted to know something from you, 475 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,680 he would approach and sort of hover. 476 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,559 He was not very good 477 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,119 in talking with members of the opposite sex. 478 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,079 His program allowed him to be a teaching assistant, 479 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,199 which essentially in PhD programs 480 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,599 means you are a teacher. 481 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,439 He was teaching coursework 482 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,359 in criminology and criminal justice, 483 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,359 and his students were often creeped out by him, 484 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:49,800 especially the women. 485 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,119 He wasn't very successful 486 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,240 in establishing relationships. 487 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,519 There were many people that came forward to say that he was 488 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,279 just a strange individual, very off-putting, 489 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,199 who thought very, very highly of themselves, 490 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,800 more or less narcissistic 491 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,599 and would be very demeaning to others 492 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,920 based off of his level of education versus theirs. 493 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,399 He had a lot of interest in 494 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,719 people who had committed heinous crimes, 495 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,320 serial killers and the like. 496 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,639 He wrote a paper on behaviours 497 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,239 after sending surveys out to a bunch of people who had, 498 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,119 who had killed people and asking them questions. 499 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,039 Is there something you would have done different? 500 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,199 How did you feel at the moment you killed this person? 501 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,359 Questions like that. 502 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,639 I get your studying these individuals 503 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,359 and you're trying to research them, 504 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,919 whether as a psychologist or criminologist, 505 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,039 or you're trying to figure out 506 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,800 why would somebody commit these crimes. 507 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,959 But it's just odd, 508 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,999 at least to me It was odd of 509 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,999 some of his questionings of the way he was going about it. 510 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,999 His master's degree in Pennsylvania 511 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800 was under the tutelage of an expert in serial killers. 512 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,679 He travels all the way to Washington State to get his PhD 513 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,119 in criminology and criminal justice, 514 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,920 and he's studying serial killers, 515 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720 and the murders happen in Moscow. 516 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,239 We also were able to learn 517 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,639 that he had bought the same Ka-bar knife, 518 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,000 and knife sheath off Amazon, 519 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,879 just a couple of months before he moved 520 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240 out here to Pullman, Washington. 521 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,959 According to co-workers, digital footprints 522 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,999 and his cell phone pings, 523 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,559 he had been in or around the area of the King Road house 524 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,999 23 times before the killings on King Road. 525 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,719 All of those times that he visited 526 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,199 were very late in the evening 527 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,560 or early morning, sometime between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m... 528 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,279 At the time of the murders, his phone had been turned off. 529 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,280 Never had been in the area that night. 530 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,319 That thwarts us. 531 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,839 We now know, based primarily on digital forensics. 532 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,999 that Bryan Kohberger left his apartment shortly after 2:30 AM 533 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,879 and he drove from Pullman, Washington to Moscow, 534 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,480 and security cameras track that. 535 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560 His cell phone data tracks with that. 536 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,920 He turns off his phone shortly before 3 a.m., 537 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,400 and he starts to prowl the area around 1122 King Road. 538 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,119 We know, 539 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,559 because we can follow that all the way from security cameras. 540 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,319 People complain about a surveillance state 541 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,359 that we're living in in America and overseas. 542 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,399 People complain all the time about surveillance states. 543 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,959 In this instance, thank God for the surveillance state, 544 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,119 because surveillance state issues 545 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,679 are what caught Bryan Kohberger, essentially. 546 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,159 They can track all that data. 547 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,519 He took off from his apartment. 548 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,639 He came to Moscow, 549 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880 he circled the house multiple times. 550 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,440 And after 4 a.m., he parked that car 551 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,879 somewhere in the vicinity of that house. 552 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,839 It's off camera, that's where he parked, 553 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,839 and entered that house through the second floor, 554 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,439 sliding glass door 555 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,399 Dressed all in black 556 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,279 with a balaclava pulled down. 557 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080 He went upstairs to Kaylee and Maddie's room 558 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,080 and butchered those girls. 559 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,319 We don't know how long that took. 560 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800 But in short order, he came downstairs, 561 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640 encountered Xana Kernodle, 562 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960 had a struggle with her in which she was also butchered, 563 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,600 and after which 564 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,559 he went into the room and murdered a sleeping Ethan. 565 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,519 He then exited past Dylan Mortensen 566 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,880 on his way out. 567 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,360 According to Dylan, made eye contact, saw her, 568 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,399 but did nothing about that. 569 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,720 We don't know why. 570 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,039 But he exited through the sliding glass door 571 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,959 he had come in. 572 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,600 Went back to his vehicle and we see the vehicle speeding off 573 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,240 around 4:20. 574 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,199 Seen leaving the King Road house 575 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,439 at such a high rate of speed, 576 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,360 he almost loses control of the vehicle. 577 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,479 He took a circular route back to Pullman, 578 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,039 avoiding town and cameras. 579 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,959 He went through the sort of desolate countryside 580 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480 south and then up back to Pullman. 581 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,239 His phone is then back on. 582 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,919 We know he's back at the apartment 583 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680 based on cell phone pinging. 584 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,239 And shortly after returning, 5 or 6 a.m., 585 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,480 he takes a selfie. 586 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,119 Police find that selfie on his phone 587 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,640 and he's giving a thumbs up to the camera. 588 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,559 He's standing in his bathroom in front of the shower, 589 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,039 and he looks freshly scrubbed. 590 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,519 His skin is pink. 591 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,159 Most of us only understand the behaviours of serial killers 592 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,559 or mass killers, 593 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,119 or would be serial killers 594 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,000 based on what we see on television. 595 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,159 But what we see on television 596 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,839 is usually written by experts on serial killers 597 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,880 and what we see in Bryan Kohberger 598 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,399 very eerily matches that. 599 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,119 his skin in that selfie is very clearly scrubbed hard, 600 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,639 to get rid of DNA or other kinds of evidence. 601 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,839 And he's looking at the camera and he's giving a thumbs up 602 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,599 in what is possibly one of the creepiest things you'll see 603 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,199 in retrospect, 604 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040 knowing now what he had just committed. 605 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,039 We found the person who did this, 606 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960 and we have him in custody. 607 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,999 Our job is, I wouldn't say over, 608 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,039 but it's more towards the end of the culmination 609 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,279 of our portion of it. 610 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,759 So when it transitions into the trial, 611 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,639 that is us just working as best we can 612 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,399 with the prosecuting office 613 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,839 to prepare for their portion of the trial 614 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,520 and the case to take it before a jury. 615 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,759 They worked absolutely tirelessly and were very, very 616 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680 well prepared and ready to take this case to trial. 617 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,079 They charged him with four counts of first degree murder 618 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,679 and one felony burglary charge for breaking into the house 619 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,319 In Idaho we have the death penalty. 620 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,199 Idaho is so serious about the death penalty 621 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,039 then, rather than these intravenous drugs 622 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,839 that are very difficult to come by, 623 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120 Idaho recently decided to go back to firing squad. 624 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,800 Very easy to find a gun in Idaho, so... 625 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,800 Kohberger was facing the death penalty. 626 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,200 I worked on this case from April through August of '25. 627 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,639 Bill Thompson, 628 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,959 the elected prosecutor prosecuting this case, 629 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,839 gave me a call and asked if I would join him 630 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,200 in prosecuting the case. 631 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,599 Kohberger maintained his innocence, 632 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,199 was in jail awaiting trial. 633 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,679 We have trial set for August. 634 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,599 Lots of pre-trial motions and arguments 635 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,079 and evidentiary issues to work through still. 636 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,319 Um, what I did is I went to Moscow 637 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,839 and just sat in a conference room 638 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,319 and digested the case materials as best I could, 639 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,759 which was hard to do, given what that evidence is 640 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040 in terms of what I had to see. 641 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,559 But of course, that's what I signed up for 642 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,039 and I was motivated more and more every hour of every day 643 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,640 to get this case tried and get the right result. 644 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,919 So we have all this evidence, we have the CCTV footage, 645 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,960 we have forensic DNA that places him at the scene. 646 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680 All this evidence starts adding up to trial. 647 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,999 His defence team is delay, delay, delay. 648 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,160 They tried to delay the court case as long as they could. 649 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,279 Bryan Kohberger and his lawyer 650 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,559 were submitting appeals to the court 651 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560 and trying to prevent this case from going to trial. 652 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,519 He was this criminology student trying to play the system. 653 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,399 He kind of thought he was like a Ted Bundy of sorts, 654 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,639 who, you know, he had the knowledge or thought he did, 655 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600 and he thought that he would get away with this. 656 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,080 He was appealing to have his case dismissed. 657 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,840 He thought he could get away with it. 658 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,119 They also tried to move it from Moscow. 659 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,279 They said, we have to move it somewhere else. 660 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,839 Everybody in town knows everybody. 661 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,039 We're not going to get a fair trial here. 662 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,999 So they do. 663 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,279 They move it all the way to Boise. 664 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,359 Kohberger maintains his innocence. 665 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,880 I'm innocent. I didn't do it. 666 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,359 He was facing a very real possibility 667 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,399 that if he was found guilty that he was going to be killed. 668 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,400 Then it leaks that Kohberger is taking a plea deal. 669 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,279 The defence approached us at the beginning of July 670 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,959 and asked if there was any way for the case to be resolved, 671 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,079 short of the death penalty. 672 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,879 The only outcome is Kohberger pleading guilty to 673 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,439 all four first degree murders, 674 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,799 as well as the burglary, 675 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,359 and agreeing to waive his appeal rights 676 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,040 so that the case would essentially end at sentencing. 677 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,520 That was the only potential option that was ever considered. 678 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,720 Ultimately, it was offered and accepted. 679 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,039 What's best about it is that 680 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,999 he's not dragging anyone into court. 681 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,760 He's not claiming innocence. 682 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,239 He's not doing anything to disparage the victim's memory 683 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,559 or retraumatize these families. 684 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,960 His role is over. 685 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,759 I was in the courtroom at that time. 686 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,280 The emotion that I could feel in the room was very strong. 687 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,159 You could feel the tension that was there waiting for him 688 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,079 to finally say, yes, I did it. 689 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,919 I did take the life of Ethan 690 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,440 and Xana and Kaylee and Maddie. 691 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,959 To be in there and see the families weeping. 692 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,679 Being in the same room as the person 693 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040 admitting to killing their children. 694 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:00,880 Horrific. 695 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,960 It was a bit surreal to see this... 696 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,720 I guess, human being that really didn't have any human qualities 697 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,479 that took away the lives of four innocent people. 698 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,359 I don't consider him to be a human like the rest of us. 699 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,960 He said he did it. 700 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,800 And that's all any of us know. 701 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,479 We don't know where the murder weapon is. 702 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,119 We don't know why he did it. 703 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,960 We don't know if he even knew these people. 704 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,719 We know nothing about his motivation. 705 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,519 We know nothing, and we never will. 706 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,639 Having dealt with these types of individuals, 707 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,079 they get this urge, 708 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:58,359 they find a target or something that triggers something, 709 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,160 and they feel that build up until they act on it. 710 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,999 It could have been as simple as 711 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,639 he passed one of them on the street, 712 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,999 and that triggered something in him, 713 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,880 and he followed them home. 714 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,839 Through cell analysis, we've shown that he was in the area 715 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,999 of that house numerous times, 716 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,160 starting as early as July of '22. 717 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,839 Did he set his schooling and his life and everything up 718 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,359 criminology to fill this need to learn the best how to do it? 719 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,959 Or the opposite side did his schooling and all this stuff 720 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,440 lead him to a curiosity of doing it? 721 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,719 He changes his plea to guilty. 722 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,040 Then two weeks later, he's actually sentenced. 723 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,959 He's actually sentenced to four consecutive life sentences 724 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,480 without the possibility of parole. 725 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,959 In time you will be forgotten to the wind. 726 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,479 No visitors, 727 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,320 nothing more than initials on an unmarked tombstone. 728 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,600 I'll leave in closing one last thing. 729 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,520 You picked the wrong family. 730 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,400 were not yours to take. 731 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,440 They were not yours to study, to stop or to silence. 732 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,480 I will call you what you are. 733 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,679 Sociopath. 734 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,279 Psychopath. 735 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,600 Murderer. 736 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,120 Or are you exactly what you always feared? 737 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,800 Nothing. 738 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,039 He's now in Idaho Maximum Security Institution. 739 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,479 We call it MSI. 740 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,239 But he's in a supermax prison, tiny little cell, 741 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,959 and he's barely more than 30 years old. 742 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,279 He's gonna spend how long in there? 743 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080 60 years in a box thinking about what he's done. 744 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,880 Who cares? 745 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,840 Bryan Kohberger is nothing but a heartless killer. 746 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,039 And I wish he could have gotten the death sentence. 747 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,039 Um, this is the next best thing, 748 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,360 is having him in prison for the rest of his life. 749 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,199 This is the best way that we can help 750 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,119 is to make sure that people get held accountable 751 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,199 for their actions. 752 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,319 I know that doesn't, doesn't fix it. 753 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560 It doesn't heal the wounds. 754 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:17,680 It never will. 755 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,039 It's the best we can do. 756 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,359 One of the biggest things about 757 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,479 both Kaylee and Madison 758 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,120 is that they were like sisters. 759 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,399 And I mean, you see these pictures of them 760 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,999 when they were so young 761 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,519 together and just always together 762 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,239 throughout every stage of life. 763 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,360 Xana and Ethan had found the perfect match in each other, 764 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,159 the perfect couple. 765 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,760 And they were so in love. 766 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,720 It's just unbelievable to think that this had happened. 767 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,039 The last post Kaylee had made before the murders 768 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,080 was a photo of all of them that became super famous. 769 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,439 How lucky she was to be living with those, those people, 770 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,719 that group of people. 771 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,879 I only do that when I'm talking about my family, 772 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,519 when I say how lucky I am to have a family. 773 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,919 But to them, posting those things, 774 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,599 it was about their friend group 775 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,399 that, that tight-knit knot that was in that house at 1122. 776 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,479 They've demolished the King Road house. 777 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,799 The owner of the house gave it to the university. 778 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,679 The university decided, we are tearing it down. 779 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,599 We're just going to demolish it. 780 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,919 We're going to get rid of it. 781 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200 It really helped with the closure of this case. 782 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:50,240 Moscow will always be changed because of this. 783 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,239 I think ultimately, 784 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,719 the spirit of the university 785 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,999 and the fact that it is a college town, 786 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,480 it will bounce back. 787 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,440 But I think there will always be kind of a heaviness 788 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600 surrounding the place, unfortunately. 789 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,919 We've really tried to heal 790 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,559 and move on the best we can, 791 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,959 while trying to honour and respect 792 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640 the memory of these victims. 793 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,799 It's important to remember the victims for who they were 794 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,720 and their dreams, not just the way they died. 795 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,559 We're never going to forget those four students. 63113

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