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NARRATOR: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Tonight
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on "Unsolved Mysteries,"
18-year-old Lisa
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Marie Kimmel was brutally
stabbed in Casper, Wyoming.
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Yet for weeks after police
believe she was murdered,
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hundreds of people across
the Western United States
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claim they saw Lisa or her car.
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For over a hundred
years, fortune hunters
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have tried to find Arizona's
Lost Dutchman Mine.
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Many men have died trying.
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Today the gold could be
worth over $200 million.
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Also a story of love and murder
in a remote Louisiana bayou.
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And illicit romance led to one
man's death and a young woman's
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mysterious disappearance.
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From a murder discovered in
the swamps of Louisiana through
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a treasure lost in an
Arizona mountain range,
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our stories have one
thing in common--
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as yet, there is no solution.
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Perhaps you can help.
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Join me.
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You may be able to
help solve a mystery.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On a
little-used suspension bridge
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outside Casper,
Wyoming, residents
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reported seeing unexplained
lights in the early morning
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hours of March the 26th, 1988.
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Police theorize that an
unknown assailant, operating
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under cover of darkness, brought
his victim, a young girl of 18,
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to the bridge.
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After stabbing
her repeatedly, he
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threw her into the chill waters
of the North Platte River.
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The victim was later
identified as Lisa Marie
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Kimmel from Billings, Montana.
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She had been sexually assaulted
prior to being killed,
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in a manner that suggested
some kind of bizarre torture.
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The savage nature
of Lisa's murder
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is not the only perplexing
aspect of this case.
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Lisa was last seen alive
the night of March the 25th.
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Police believe
that she was killed
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a few hours later in the early
morning of March the 26th.
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But what complicates
the investigation
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is that nearly 1,000 people
claim they saw Lisa Marie
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Kimmel or her car during
a week when police
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believe she was already dead.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Lisa was 18 years old
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and worked as a
manager at a fast food
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restaurant in Denver, Colorado.
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On March the 25th, she left town
and headed for Cody, Wyoming
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to visit her boyfriend.
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Lisa's car, a black
1988 Honda CRX SI,
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carried the spunky
license plate Lil Miss.
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The plan was that she was
supposed to leave Denver
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and, some time after work,
and get to Cody to see
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me sometime late that evening.
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I talked to her about 4:30.
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And she was going to be
leaving in about a half hour,
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that she'd be in about midnight
or something like that.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): From Denver,
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Lisa had planned to
travel to Casper, Wyoming
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on Interstate 25.
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From Casper she would
take a two lane road
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to Ed Jaroch's house in Cody.
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After spending the
night there, she
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planned to go on to Billings,
Montana to visit her parents.
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Weather conditions were good, so
Lisa should have made the trip
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to Cody in eight or nine
hours, arriving at Ed's
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house late Friday night.
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However at 7 o'clock
Saturday morning,
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she still had not arrived.
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Ed Jaroch frantically
telephoned the highway patrols
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in three states.
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Two days later, the
Wyoming Highway Patrol
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reported they had
stopped Lisa for speeding
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about 60 miles south
of Casper on March 25,
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the night she disappeared.
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It was nearly 9:00 PM
Friday night, four hours
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after Lisa had left Denver.
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She was right on schedule.
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I was patrolling
southbound on March 25.
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I noted a small car northbound
at 88 miles an hour,
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according to my radar.
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I turned around and
pursued the car.
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I stopped her near
Moran Junction.
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Good evening miss.
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May I see your driver's license?
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ALAN LESCO (VOICEOVER):
She was well-kept,
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driving a nice car,
kind of person you'd
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like to have for a daughter.
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OK Miss Kimmel, I
had you on my radar
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back there at 88 miles an hour.
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Is there any particular
reason for your speed?
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I'm trying to
hurry to Billings.
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I've got a friend who's
going in for surgery.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This
was the last confirmed sighting
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of Lisa.
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Her signature on the citation
and a routine voice recording
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the policeman made
verify that it
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was definitely Lisa Marie Kimmel
who was stopped that night.
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As the week went
on, we realized
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the gravity of the situation.
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We knew that the outlook
was looking a little grim.
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But even at that, even if the
outcome wasn't as we'd hoped,
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we still needed to find her.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): On April
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the 2nd, one week
after she disappeared,
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Greg Bradford, a
mechanic who was spending
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his Saturday fishing, brought
the search for Lisa Marie
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to a sad end.
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GREG BRADFORD: When I
came up to just about
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this spot right here, and
I got a real bad feeling
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something was wrong.
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I felt that somebody died or
somebody was hurt real bad.
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It just kept coming over me.
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I couldn't shake it.
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So I just stepped up.
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When I stepped up off
the side of the bank,
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I looked over my shoulder and
I saw the lady in the water.
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I knew it was a
lady in the water,
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but your mind tells you it's not
true, you know, it's not real.
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And then I remember, when we
were driving up from Cheyenne,
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they said this young girl
was missing from Montana.
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So, I looked again and I said,
"Oh my God, it must be her."
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When we went out there,
the physical description
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matched Lisa.
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But at that point, because
of the condition of the body,
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we weren't sure until we'd
gotten her out of the water.
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We're not sure, at this
point, whether the body
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was placed in the river sometime
on the 25th of the 26th.
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The body just didn't show
any signs of decomposition
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because it was so cold.
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There was some stab
wounds in the chest area.
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She was sexually assaulted.
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She was found nearly
nude, but not quite.
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They made stab wounds in such a
manner that we feel are unique.
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And I can't tell you how
they were done to the body,
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but it would lead the
appearance that somebody
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took their time in doing this.
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It's hard to
understand why somebody
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would do something like
that to another human being.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Police scouted the area where
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Lisa's body was discovered.
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On an old highway bridge
one quarter of a mile away,
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they found blood
which was the same
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type as Lisa Marie Kimmel's.
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Because the bridge
is so inaccessible
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and so seldom used, police
believe the murderer
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may be someone local.
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Based on the eyewitness
accounts of unexplained lights
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on the bridge and an
analysis of other evidence,
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police believe the
time of Lisa's murder
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is the early morning of
Saturday, Match the 26th,
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approximately five hours after
she was stopped for speeding.
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Strangely, the next seven days,
hundreds of sightings of Lisa
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and her car, many
of them involving
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an unknown male
companion, were reported
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throughout the Northwestern
United States and Canada.
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Up until this date
we've had over a thousand
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sightings of this
vehicle, a lot of them
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from law enforcement officers.
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But there's no pattern to them.
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That's the unfortunate part.
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There's no direction of travel.
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They went south.
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They went to the north.
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They went to the west.
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They just were everywhere.
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And we were deluged
with them at the point
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that we thought they
had gone to Canada.
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We had some sightings in Canada.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Composites
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were made of at least
17 men, but none of them
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seemed to resemble one another
closely enough to justify
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issuing a wanted poster.
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Three of these sightings
believed to be among the most
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reliable were reported
on the 26th and 27th
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of March, after police
believe Lisa Marie
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had already been murdered.
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One of them was in
Casper, just 20 minutes
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drive away from the
place her body was found.
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The other two sightings
were in Buffalo, Wyoming,
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two hours drive outside Casper.
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In none of the three
sightings did Lisa appear
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to be signaling for help.
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The Casper sighting
occurred on Sunday,
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March the 27th,
two days after Lisa
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had been stopped for speeding.
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Diana Houston was driving a
van through the downtown area
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of Caspar when she noticed the
personalized Lil Miss license
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plates, because
her roommate owned
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a puppy with the same name.
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DIANA HOUSTON (VOICEOVER):
It was Sunday afternoon,
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about a quarter to 2:00.
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And I saw a Montana
license plate on a vehicle.
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And being from Montana,
it got my eyes.
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So I looked.
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And the license
plate said Lil Miss.
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I went by.
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I saw somebody with
blond hair driving
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an had on a yellow sweater.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): 22 Hours
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earlier, Donna Kirkpatrick,
the County Sheriff's wife
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in Buffalo, reported
that she had seen
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Lisa wearing a pink sweater.
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DONNA KIRKPATRICK: Well
it was Saturday at noon.
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And I noticed a little
black sports car had pulled
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out right in front of me.
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And then I noticed
the license plate.
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It was a Montana license
plate with Lil Miss on it,
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L-I-L M-I-S-S. And at that
point I decided that I needed
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to see who was driving the car.
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I was most interested
to see if the car went
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with whoever was driving it.
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I am absolutely positive there
was a young gal driving it.
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I know the license plate.
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I know Montana license plates.
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I saw the plate on that car
at that time on that day.
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And there's not a
doubt in my mind.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Curiously, Lisa's parents
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are not sure that she
ever owned either a yellow
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or a pink sweater.
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And the highway patrolman
who stopped her for speeding,
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the last person to have
verifiable evidence that he saw
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Lisa alive, remembers
that she was wearing
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a black and white sweater.
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Could Lisa have
changed her clothes?
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Or do the eyewitnesses
see another young woman
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who resembled Lisa?
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Two hours after Donna
Kirkpatrick saw Lisa,
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another eyewitness also
saw her in Buffalo.
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This time, a mysterious
man was with Lisa.
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WITNESS (VOICEOVER): I
was busy at the register.
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But a car pulled up.
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And they said Lil Miss on
the Montana license plates
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on the front of it.
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And there were two
people in the vehicle.
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There was a very attractive
young lady at the wheel.
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The individual that was
with here was a small man,
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I would say 135 to 140 pounds.
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Dark hair, dark eyes,
rather large eyes.
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And he had very fine features.
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It wasn't button nosed
or anything like that.
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They were aquiline, I think,
is the word that the poets use.
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And he was swarthy complected.
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And he was small.
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He fit into the car.
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He didn't look out of place
or anything like that.
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A few minutes later when
I turned and looked again,
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the car had gone.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): If
the three sightings of Lisa
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Marie Kimmel are
reliable, they raise
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some disturbing questions.
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Was Lisa killed as
the police think
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she was, during the early
morning hours of March
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the 26th?
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If she was, who was the
woman seen driving Lisa's
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car in Casper in Buffalo?
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If Lisa was not
killed on the 26th,
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why was she in Buffalo, more
than two hours off the course
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of her planned journey?
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And if she was in jeopardy,
why did she not signal
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for help when she was sighted?
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[music playing]
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next,
the story of the legendary Lost
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Dutchman Mine.
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The clues are scarce.
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The stakes are high--
millions of dollars in gold.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The Superstition
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Mountains in Arizona
cover 160,000 acres
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of desolate, rugged terrain.
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According to legend,
these mountains
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contain the richest
deposits of gold
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in America, the Lost
Dutchman's Gold Mine.
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There are hundreds of stories
hinting at its location.
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But they're all tied to one
man, a German prospector
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named Jacob Waltz,
who was said to have
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discovered the mine in 1876.
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His nickname was The Dutchman.
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TOM KOLLENBORN: Jacob Waltz
was a student of mining,
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and he knew what he was doing.
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The old timers were very, very
astute to the fact of geology.
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They knew what they
were looking for.
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If you're going to go out
in these mountains anywhere
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and look for gold, you
really want to go to places
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where gold has been found.
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The Superstitions
would be an exception.
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You wouldn't go in there.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Waltz was one of the few
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who was prepared to prospect
in unpromising locations.
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And apparently, he was rewarded.
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15 Years later in 1881, when
Jacob Waltz was 80 years old,
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he decided to hide his mine.
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He is said to have dug a hole
six feet deep at the entrance
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to the mine.
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He then laid in two sold
layers of ironwood logs,
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filled the hole with dirt,
and topped it with stones
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from the surrounding area.
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The Dutchman bragged
that you could
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drive a pack train over
the entrance to the mine
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and never know it was there.
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For over 100 years, fortune
hunters have searched for Jacob
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Waltz's hidden treasure trove.
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Several months after
Waltz hid the mine,
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he contracted pneumonia and was
taken to the home of a friend,
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Julia Thomas in Phoenix.
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She tried to nurse
Jacob back to health.
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Before Jacob was
died, he told them
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that there was gold from the
mine stashed under his bed.
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Well I don't understand.
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And he said that's what I've
been living on all these years.
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He took out the box.
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They opened it.
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And their comment was,
"My God, that's rich.
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It's got to be just a pocket."
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And he said, "No, it isn't."
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He said, "It's a vein."
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He said, "There's
enough in sight
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to make millionaires
out of 20 men."
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
As his end drew near,
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The Dutchman gave
Julia and Rhinehart
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Petrasch a local miner, clues
to the location of the mine.
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Take the old-- the
old northwest corner
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of the Superstition Mountains.
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Take-- take the trail in.
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And he left a number of
clues, but several times he
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said, "I've almost got
to show you where it is
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or you'll never find
it, because you've got
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to know exactly where it is."
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Waltz died
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before he could give
them a map that showed
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exactly where the mine lay.
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Even though there are hundreds
of maps in existence today,
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none of them came
from Jacob Waltz.
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The only direction that Julia
and the Petrasch brothers
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had when they ventured
into the mountains
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were the verbal cues Waltz
had given on his deathbed.
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CLAY WORST (VOICEOVER):
He said, "The setting
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sun shines into the
entrance to my mine
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and glitters on the gold."
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So it must have
faced to the west.
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He said, "You take
the first gorge
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on the south side from the
west end of the range."
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He said that "you can see
Weavers Needle to the south
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from above my mine."
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Julia and the Petrasches
were so anxious to get
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in the mountains, they
actually went in mid-summer
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when the mountains were hotter
than hell in a [inaudible].
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And it must have been a real
ordeal, for all of them.
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They went in there
for almost five weeks.
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They came out without any gold.
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And this was noted in "The
Arizona Republican" in 1892.
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In fact they called it "a
queer quest" in search of gold.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Julia had invested
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everything she owned
into this expedition,
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but she returned penniless.
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Julia Thomas never attempted
to return to the Superstition
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Mountains again.
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Rhinehart Petrasch was accused
by his brother Herman of not
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paying attention
at Jacob's bedside,
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writing the clues
down incorrectly.
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They never spoke again.
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Rhinehart continued
to search sporadically
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over the next 50 years.
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When his eyesight began
to fail, Rhinehart
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realized he would never find
the mine and took his own life.
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For over a century,
treasure hunters
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have occasionally
claimed that they have
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clues to Waltz's lost mine.
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And a few of them may
even have found it.
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But curiously, they
all died before they
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could tell their tale.
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When we return,
the story of Walt
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Gassler, who five years ago
claimed he'd found the mine.
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On his last trip
to the mountains,
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he lost his life before he could
reveal his secret location.
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The Lost Dutchman's
Gold Mine is
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one of the greatest
living legends
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of the American Southwest.
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Some people say that
it's just that, a legend.
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On the other hand,
government studies
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indicate that there's a large
quantity of gold located
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somewhere in the Superstitions.
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It is said that this
matchbox was made
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from the high grade ore
that Jacob Waltz had
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in his possession when he died.
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The ore is so rich that if
the mine were found today,
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it could be worth
over $200 million.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Almost 100 years
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later, a modern
day treasure hunter
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claimed he had found the mine.
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His name was Walt Gassler,
head chef at the Biltmore
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Hotel in Phoenix.
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Using clues handed down from
Jacob's deathbed description,
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Gassler has spent
most of his free time
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looking for the famous ore.
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- Bob Corbin Walt.
- Walt Gassler.
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Nice to meet you.
Have a seat.
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Thank you.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When his health began to fail,
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he contacted two
other prospectors.
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What you got?
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): One of them
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was Bob Corbin, the
attorney general of Arizona.
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This is a map to the
area where I have my camp.
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BOB CORBIN (VOICEOVER): He
wanted to get together with me
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so that we could
perhaps go with him
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and continue looking for
the mine with his directions
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after he had died.
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And he gave me his
notes, as well as
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a map as to where his
camp was and where
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he believed the mine to be.
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That's a good location.
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It could be there.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Two months later,
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Gassler called
Bob's partner, Tom
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Kollenborn, a local historian.
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Gassler was excited and
claimed that he had finally
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located The Dutchman's mine.
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TOM KOLLENBORN
(VOICEOVER): Walt Gassler
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call me on Sunday evening.
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He said, "I'm going to the mine.
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I know exactly where it is.
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You and Corbin have to go."
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I just can't possibly
break away in the morning.
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I could if you'd just give
me a little bit of notice.
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I'd sure want to go in with you.
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TOM KOLLENBORN
(VOICEOVER): He said,
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no, I can't wait any longer.
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I'm going to to it.
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And I'll-- I'll-- I'll
see you when I get back.
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But I'm leaving in the morning.
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TOM KOLLENBORN
(VOICEOVER): Walt Gassler
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was convinced that the
mine existed from the clues
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that he had.
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Some of those clues
he would not reveal.
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And the next morning, his
wife took him out to the trail
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and dropped him off.
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See you in three days.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Walt hiked
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alone into the Superstitions,
never to be seen alive again.
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Three days later he was found
dead by ranch hand Don Shade.
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An autopsy proved he had
died of a heart attack.
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I don't have a license
to talk like a coroner.
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I thought he was dead,
probably, two to three days.
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00:21:31,658 --> 00:21:33,993
He looked to me like
a nice little old man
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that found a lovely place
to give up the ghost.
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- Tom Kollenborn?
- Yes?
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I'm Roland Gassler.
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How are you doing Roland?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
One month after Walt's death,
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Tom Kollenborn had a
surprising visitor.
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TOM KOLLENORN (VOICEOVER):
This man came over to my house.
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And he said he was Roland
Gassler, Walt Gassler's son.
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And we were talking
a few minutes.
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And he said, "Well, you know my
dad found The Lost Dutchman's
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in the Superstitions.
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And he got out a piece
of gold, showed it to me.
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Boy, that stuff
really looks good.
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TOM KOLLENBORN
(VOICEOVER): It looked
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very similar to the
gold that allegedly
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came out of The Dutchman Mine.
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Where'd this come from?
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Came right straight
out of my dad's backpack.
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Bob Corbin told me that you had
a map that belonged to my dad.
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I wonder if you'd
let me have that?
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TOM KOLLENBORN: Well I don't
have the map anymore Roland.
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But I do have your
dad's manuscript.
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Yes, that is my dad's.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Apparently Walt
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really had found the lost mine.
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And his son Roland
planned to use the map
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and notes to retrace
his father's steps.
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Well I knew that
you'd be interested,
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and I want to thank you for
being cooperative on this.
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OK.
Well, all right.
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- Well, see you later.
- OK, bye.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Two months
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later as Tom was
finishing a slide lecture,
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he was approached by another
stranger who claimed he
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was Roland Gassler, Walt's son.
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00:22:48,735 --> 00:22:49,636
Mr. Kollenborn?
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Yes?
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00:22:50,637 --> 00:22:51,904
Hi, I'm Roland Gassler.
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I've been wanting to meet
you for a long time now.
487
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,542
Well I've sure met several
Roland Gasslers lately.
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Walt Gassler--
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TOM KOLLENBORN (VOICEOVER):
And I think my jaw
490
00:22:57,644 --> 00:22:58,811
dropped 10 foot to the ground.
491
00:22:58,911 --> 00:23:00,212
It wasn't the same guy.
492
00:23:00,312 --> 00:23:02,148
I said, "I oughta ask you for a
driver's license or something."
493
00:23:02,248 --> 00:23:03,450
I said, "You're
the second Roland
494
00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:07,219
Gassler I run into in the
last couple of months."
495
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:08,721
Sure looks like
you're Roland Gassler.
496
00:23:08,821 --> 00:23:09,656
Yes sir.
497
00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:12,391
After meeting two
Roland Gasslers,
498
00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:15,595
I wondered who was
really Roland Gassler?
499
00:23:15,695 --> 00:23:17,296
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Who was the first man who
500
00:23:17,396 --> 00:23:19,966
claimed to be Roland Gassler?
501
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:23,035
It appeared that he was an
imposter who needed Walt's map
502
00:23:23,135 --> 00:23:25,738
so he could search for himself.
503
00:23:25,838 --> 00:23:28,407
But how had he gotten hold
of the gold ore sample?
504
00:23:28,508 --> 00:23:29,609
It came right
straight out of--
505
00:23:29,709 --> 00:23:30,977
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When Walt died,
506
00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:32,445
the sheriff's report
listed a backpack
507
00:23:32,545 --> 00:23:34,013
among Walt's belongings.
508
00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:36,716
But the real Roland
Gassler never received.
509
00:23:36,816 --> 00:23:39,786
Don Shade, the man
who found Walt's body,
510
00:23:39,886 --> 00:23:42,321
also remembered
seeing the backpack.
511
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:45,191
And he said that there was
a stranger in the area.
512
00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:46,926
DON SHADE (VOICEOVER):
There was another man
513
00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:49,161
in the area at the time.
514
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:53,132
When Tom Kollenborn later gave
us a description of the man
515
00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:56,669
that came to him and
showed him some gold,
516
00:23:56,769 --> 00:24:01,541
it jibed up with a man
that we saw in here.
517
00:24:01,641 --> 00:24:03,510
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Some
believe that the fake Roland
518
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:06,479
Gassler may have been in the
mountains when Walt died,
519
00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:09,682
and stolen the backpack
with his precious ore.
520
00:24:09,782 --> 00:24:11,417
I'd like to belief
Walt found it.
521
00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:13,620
He spent so many
years looking for it.
522
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,155
And the last thing he would have
done in his life before he died
523
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:17,056
would have found the mine.
524
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:20,059
I'd like to believe that.
525
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,794
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When Jacob Waltz died,
526
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:24,697
he left a trunk of
ore, a list of clues,
527
00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,534
and a legend of lost treasure
which has captured the dreams
528
00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:29,636
of three generations.
529
00:24:29,736 --> 00:24:31,838
I have good reason to
believe that The Dutchman's
530
00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:33,740
legend could be true.
531
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,743
I've seen the ore that was
under his bed when he died.
532
00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:39,846
I've seen the assay report on
it at a jewelry store in Phoenix
533
00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:41,814
which did exist at that time.
534
00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:44,183
And at today's gold
prices, that ore would be
535
00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:47,253
worth over $2.2 million a ton.
536
00:24:47,353 --> 00:24:49,488
It's the richest gold ore
I've ever seen in my life,
537
00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:51,591
and I've seen a lot of gold ore.
538
00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:54,861
This could have been
Gassler's trick in the trail,
539
00:24:54,961 --> 00:24:56,228
because he's been up here on--
540
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:58,097
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
Department of the Interior
541
00:24:58,197 --> 00:25:00,299
reclassified the Superstition
Mountains as a federally
542
00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:02,969
owned wilderness area.
543
00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:05,705
And if the mine were found,
all the gold would have to be
544
00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:08,507
surrendered to the government.
545
00:25:08,608 --> 00:25:12,478
But this does not deter Tom
Kollenborn and Bob Corbin.
546
00:25:12,579 --> 00:25:15,247
For them, the search for
the Lost Dutchman Mine
547
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,449
is a fascinating
mystery and a tradition
548
00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:20,186
that keeps alive one of
the most enduring legends
549
00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:21,688
of the American Southwest.
550
00:25:24,991 --> 00:25:27,126
In a moment, the story
of two lovers who
551
00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:29,929
met secretly deep in
the swamps of Louisiana.
552
00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:33,633
30 years ago, their illicit
romance ended in murder.
553
00:25:33,733 --> 00:25:37,069
[gun shot]
554
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:54,854
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The Louisiana bayou country--
555
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:57,690
surrounded by human swampland
lies Lake Pontchartrain,
556
00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:00,693
just west of New Orleans.
557
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:06,766
November 24, 1956, at 9:00 AM
on a chill Saturday morning,
558
00:26:06,866 --> 00:26:08,968
a local hunter and his
young son unintentionally
559
00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:11,203
surprised a pair of
lovebirds in an isolated
560
00:26:11,303 --> 00:26:14,506
area known as Frenier Beach.
561
00:26:14,607 --> 00:26:15,608
What are they doing Daddy?
562
00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:16,508
Never you mind.
563
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:17,409
Let's go.
564
00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:24,817
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The next morning,
565
00:26:24,917 --> 00:26:29,321
the two passed by the same spot
and made a grisly discovery.
566
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:30,690
The man they had
surprised the day
567
00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:32,692
before lay dead
of a gunshot wound
568
00:26:32,792 --> 00:26:34,927
in the front seat of the car.
569
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:37,296
The woman was
nowhere to be seen.
570
00:26:37,396 --> 00:26:39,398
The victim was
identified as Thomas
571
00:26:39,498 --> 00:26:44,136
Hotard, a 46-year-old
engineer from nearby Laplace.
572
00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:46,105
Authorities later determined
that the woman who
573
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:50,109
had been with him the day before
was 31-year-old Audrey Moate,
574
00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:53,145
a divorced mother of three.
575
00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:56,916
She has not been
seen for 32 years.
576
00:26:57,016 --> 00:26:58,550
JACK DEMPSEY: This was
probably the largest
577
00:26:58,651 --> 00:27:00,820
case that ever hit the area.
578
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,254
It was all over New Orleans.
579
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:04,123
It was all over Baton Rouge.
580
00:27:04,223 --> 00:27:06,092
Everybody was talking
about, and they all wanted
581
00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:07,159
to know, where's the woman?
582
00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:08,527
Where did she disappear?
583
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:09,862
Why did you disappear?
584
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:10,763
Did they kill her?
585
00:27:10,863 --> 00:27:11,898
Did they bury her body?
586
00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:13,399
Did they throw her in a lake?
587
00:27:13,499 --> 00:27:15,367
Three months
before this happened,
588
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:18,337
my mother told my grandmother
that "if anything happens
589
00:27:18,437 --> 00:27:21,307
to me, take the kids and
get as far away from here
590
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:22,508
as possible."
591
00:27:22,608 --> 00:27:25,377
Why would a 30-year-old--
31-year-old woman
592
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:32,318
in 1956 in a environmentally
crime-free area say this?
593
00:27:32,418 --> 00:27:35,654
Three decades ago, the case of
Thomas Hotard and Audrey Moate
594
00:27:35,755 --> 00:27:38,390
was one of the most publicized
and sensational stories
595
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:40,626
in modern Louisiana history.
596
00:27:40,727 --> 00:27:42,328
The case still
provokes discussions
597
00:27:42,428 --> 00:27:44,797
among the old
timers in the area.
598
00:27:44,897 --> 00:27:47,033
Most of those involved in
the initial investigation
599
00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,501
have since passed
away, but the mystery
600
00:27:49,601 --> 00:27:51,904
of the incident at
Frenier Beach has remained
601
00:27:52,004 --> 00:27:55,674
to baffle the next generation.
602
00:27:55,775 --> 00:27:58,177
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
newspaper obituaries in 1956
603
00:27:58,277 --> 00:28:02,081
described Thomas Hotard as a
quiet, hardworking family man,
604
00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:05,051
active in the church
and with the Boy Scouts.
605
00:28:05,151 --> 00:28:07,419
He worked for a local
chemical company.
606
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,489
It was here in 1952 that
he met Audrey Moate.
607
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:19,866
Audrey was originally
divorced mother
608
00:28:19,966 --> 00:28:22,802
15 years younger than Hotard.
609
00:28:22,902 --> 00:28:24,403
In addition to
their work, the two
610
00:28:24,503 --> 00:28:25,738
shared an interest in scouting.
611
00:28:25,838 --> 00:28:28,340
They were often seen
together in town organizing
612
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,643
their troop's activities.
613
00:28:31,744 --> 00:28:33,645
DEKKI MOATE: My
mother was a woman
614
00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:35,247
that was way ahead of her time.
615
00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:38,851
She was a single
parent in '56, and she
616
00:28:38,951 --> 00:28:43,823
was a kind of woman that was
very loving, very giving.
617
00:28:43,923 --> 00:28:45,958
Perhaps she's the best
friend I ever had.
618
00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:52,131
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Even
though Thomas was married,
619
00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:54,000
he and Audrey fell in love.
620
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:57,569
But their romance was
a deeply held secret.
621
00:28:57,669 --> 00:29:00,306
Audrey told her family that
she had to work every Saturday,
622
00:29:00,406 --> 00:29:02,174
but it was a lie.
623
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:05,878
For two years Thomas Hotard
kept the same schedule,
624
00:29:05,978 --> 00:29:08,480
telling his wife that he
too was working on Saturday.
625
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:10,817
Unbeknownst to both
their families,
626
00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:15,988
Hotard and Audrey spent
these stolen days together.
627
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:16,989
Good now.
628
00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:18,490
Where have you been?
629
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:21,928
DEKKI MOATE: I remember, we
used to go on picnics together.
630
00:29:22,028 --> 00:29:23,129
He taught me how
to develop film.
631
00:29:23,229 --> 00:29:26,198
He was there on my birthdays.
632
00:29:26,298 --> 00:29:27,399
I thought they were friends.
633
00:29:27,499 --> 00:29:30,569
I didn't realize
they were lovers.
634
00:29:30,669 --> 00:29:32,338
I found out later when I
read the newspaper accounts.
635
00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:35,374
But I just thought
they were friends.
636
00:29:35,474 --> 00:29:37,176
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
On Saturday, November 25
637
00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:41,347
Thomas and Audrey met in the
plaza around 7:30 AM, then
638
00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:43,582
drove together to their
secluded lover's lane
639
00:29:43,682 --> 00:29:45,217
at the edge of
Lake Pontchartrain.
640
00:29:45,317 --> 00:29:46,585
[music playing]
641
00:29:46,685 --> 00:29:50,356
(SINGING) Speed and slow.
642
00:29:50,456 --> 00:29:53,125
Rock a body to and fro.
643
00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:54,827
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Ironically, that Saturday
644
00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:57,129
was Audrey's birthday.
645
00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:58,297
It was a special day.
646
00:29:58,397 --> 00:30:00,332
And it was to end in tragedy.
647
00:30:00,432 --> 00:30:02,869
Police later estimated
that by morning's end,
648
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:05,404
Thomas Hotard had
been shot to death,
649
00:30:05,504 --> 00:30:09,808
and Audrey Moate had
vanished, apparently forever.
650
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:13,012
(SINGING) Oh honey,
finally we can make it
651
00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:15,181
if we take it sweet and slow.
652
00:30:26,392 --> 00:30:27,659
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When the hunter
653
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,196
made his grim discovery
the next morning,
654
00:30:30,296 --> 00:30:32,831
he went straight to Percy
Hebert, the sheriff of St. John
655
00:30:32,932 --> 00:30:35,167
the Baptist Parish.
656
00:30:35,267 --> 00:30:37,136
Hebert was the first
to arrive at the scene.
657
00:30:40,439 --> 00:30:42,074
Hotard had been killed
by a single shot
658
00:30:42,174 --> 00:30:45,044
from the 16 gauge shotgun,
fired at point blank range
659
00:30:45,144 --> 00:30:48,547
through a side window.
660
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:50,616
At first Sheriff Hebert
thought that the missing
661
00:30:50,716 --> 00:30:55,087
woman had probably killed
Hotard in a lover's spat.
662
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:57,924
However, once he began to
investigate the crime scene,
663
00:30:58,024 --> 00:31:02,528
he made some
unusual discoveries.
664
00:31:02,628 --> 00:31:04,997
Scattered on the ground
were the partial contents
665
00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:07,566
of a woman's purse.
666
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:10,669
Inside the car he found the
car keys still in the ignition,
667
00:31:10,769 --> 00:31:14,640
and women's clothes
crumpled on the floorboard.
668
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:17,243
From the articles of clothing
that were found in the car,
669
00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:18,610
the only thing she
could have been wearing
670
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:20,379
was a bra and a slip.
671
00:31:20,479 --> 00:31:24,583
Her sweater, her underwear, her
stockings, her shoes, skirt,
672
00:31:24,683 --> 00:31:26,885
all of that was in the car.
673
00:31:26,986 --> 00:31:29,055
The car had the bed
made down in it.
674
00:31:29,155 --> 00:31:31,090
In other words, it was one of
those old Nashes that had a bed
675
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,892
that could be folded down.
676
00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:35,327
The evidence indicates
that they were
677
00:31:35,427 --> 00:31:40,332
probably in the act of making
love when the murder occurred.
678
00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:42,168
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): It
appeared that the woman had
679
00:31:42,268 --> 00:31:44,703
tried to flee, spilling
the contents of her purse
680
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:46,572
in the process.
681
00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:49,308
50 yards from Hotard's
car, Hebert found
682
00:31:49,408 --> 00:31:52,711
a pair of footprints
made by small bare feet,
683
00:31:52,811 --> 00:31:54,746
probably Audrey's.
684
00:31:54,846 --> 00:31:58,450
Just behind them was a
print of a man's heavy boot.
685
00:31:58,550 --> 00:32:00,452
Five feet away was an
area where it appeared
686
00:32:00,552 --> 00:32:05,357
a scuffle had taken place, and a
set of car keys was discovered.
687
00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:07,960
There was no other physical
evidence, and no indication
688
00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:10,862
that the murderer
had an accomplice.
689
00:32:10,963 --> 00:32:14,866
Significantly, the woman's
purse itself was never found.
690
00:32:14,967 --> 00:32:17,603
It was not until 10 hours
later that the authorities
691
00:32:17,703 --> 00:32:20,706
decided the missing woman
definitely was Audrey Moate.
692
00:32:31,117 --> 00:32:34,786
At 7:30 that same Saturday
night, Sheriff Hebert
693
00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:37,123
found Audrey's car
parked next to the cafe
694
00:32:37,223 --> 00:32:38,190
where she had met Hotard.
695
00:32:42,361 --> 00:32:46,298
The keys found at the crime
scene fit the ignition.
696
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:49,501
In a box on the back seat,
he found the verses of a song
697
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:52,004
from a musical, "The
King and I," hand-written
698
00:32:52,104 --> 00:32:54,473
by Audrey on a small file card.
699
00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:57,776
It read like an obituary for
her secret, lost love affair.
700
00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:02,581
We kissed in the shadows.
701
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:04,883
We hide from the moon.
702
00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:08,054
Our meetings are few
and over too soon.
703
00:33:08,154 --> 00:33:12,291
We speak in whispers,
afraid to be heard.
704
00:33:12,391 --> 00:33:15,827
When people are near,
we speak not a word.
705
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:21,933
JACK DEMPSEY: This
was quite a scandal.
706
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:25,437
It was quite a shock to this
sleepy little town of Laplace
707
00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,639
back in 1956.
708
00:33:27,739 --> 00:33:29,808
Everybody was buzzing,
was talking about it.
709
00:33:29,908 --> 00:33:32,611
They all had their own
theory of what happened.
710
00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:36,014
They all had idea of who could
have committed the murder.
711
00:33:36,115 --> 00:33:39,418
They all had an idea of
where Audrey Moate was.
712
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,887
And they all wanted
to help the sheriff
713
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,690
because they saw a woman
answering that description
714
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:45,891
going door to door.
715
00:33:45,991 --> 00:33:48,427
And all kinds of
confusion, believe me.
716
00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:51,930
Confusion reigned
supreme about that time.
717
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,400
[phone ringing]
718
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:55,934
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
On December 6,
719
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:57,703
two weeks after
the disappearance,
720
00:33:57,803 --> 00:34:01,607
Audrey's former mother-in-law
received a strange phone call.
721
00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:03,609
Perhaps Audrey was still alive.
722
00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:04,510
Hello?
723
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:05,944
WOMAN (ON PHONE): Mom?
724
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:06,978
Audrey?
725
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:08,747
WOMAN (ON PHONE):
Mom, I'm in trouble.
726
00:34:08,847 --> 00:34:09,715
Audrey, is that you?
727
00:34:09,815 --> 00:34:10,849
WOMAN (ON PHONE): I need help.
728
00:34:10,949 --> 00:34:12,784
Audrey?
729
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:13,919
Audrey?
730
00:34:14,019 --> 00:34:14,820
Audrey?
731
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:17,989
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Then a waitress
732
00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:20,126
in New Orleans reported
that she had seen Audrey
733
00:34:20,226 --> 00:34:21,827
in her restaurant
around the same time
734
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:23,829
that Mrs. Moate
received the phone call.
735
00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:24,730
Here you go.
736
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:26,064
Will be there anything else hun?
737
00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,099
No.
738
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,134
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The waitress
739
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:29,135
said she recognized
Audrey from seeing
740
00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:31,437
her picture in the paper.
741
00:34:31,537 --> 00:34:35,574
Audrey appeared to be very tired
and her clothes were shabby.
742
00:34:35,674 --> 00:34:37,809
Audrey then left the
restaurant when she realized
743
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:39,945
the waitress was watching her.
744
00:34:40,045 --> 00:34:42,681
This is the last reported
sighting of Audrey Moate.
745
00:34:46,418 --> 00:34:49,921
DEKKI MOATE: I couldn't let
myself believe she was gone.
746
00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:53,459
I kept thinking she'd
walk through the door.
747
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,229
I couldn't relate to Mr.
Hotard being dead, at all.
748
00:34:57,329 --> 00:34:59,165
That didn't register.
749
00:34:59,265 --> 00:35:02,100
But my mother not coming
back, I-- I thought
750
00:35:02,201 --> 00:35:04,136
everyone was lying to me.
751
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:05,137
I just couldn't accept it.
752
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,074
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
As the years went by,
753
00:35:09,175 --> 00:35:11,777
the sensational story slipped
slowly from the headlines,
754
00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:15,481
and eventually disappeared
from the newspapers.
755
00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:18,116
The murder of Thomas Hotard
and the disappearance of Audrey
756
00:35:18,217 --> 00:35:22,120
Moate soon became an obscure
footnote in Louisiana folklore,
757
00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:24,823
until the case was
suddenly revived
758
00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:28,059
more than 20 years later.
759
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,796
In 1980, a sick
and ailing old man
760
00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:35,367
told his family that he knew
what happened to Audrey Moate.
761
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:38,237
You remember that Hotard
fellow, what got killed
762
00:35:38,337 --> 00:35:41,473
in the swamp, that big search
for everybody, looking around,
763
00:35:41,573 --> 00:35:44,776
never did find out who killed
him, and that Moate women,
764
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:48,013
what they never found?
765
00:35:48,113 --> 00:35:49,915
There ain't nothing
in that swamp
766
00:35:50,015 --> 00:35:52,751
that goes on that I don't know.
767
00:35:52,851 --> 00:35:54,586
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Several months before he die,
768
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:57,889
Ernst Acosta made a
startling confession.
769
00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:00,659
He claimed that his common
law wife at the time, Caroline
770
00:36:00,759 --> 00:36:05,431
Schlesser had murdered both
Thomas Hotard and Audrey Moate,
771
00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:07,366
and that he had helped
dispose of the bodies.
772
00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:08,967
And they were aggravating her.
773
00:36:09,067 --> 00:36:11,169
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Caroline died in 1979.
774
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:15,241
And it was Caroline who
had shot both those two.
775
00:36:15,341 --> 00:36:19,378
[train whistle]
776
00:36:19,478 --> 00:36:20,912
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Acosta and Schlesser
777
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:23,782
lived on the edge of the
swamp, less than a mile from
778
00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:26,285
the Frenier Beach murder site.
779
00:36:26,385 --> 00:36:28,487
Both had surly reputations.
780
00:36:28,587 --> 00:36:30,722
And Acosta was known to
sit in his front yard
781
00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:32,891
and take pot shots at
any passers-by that
782
00:36:32,991 --> 00:36:36,562
strayed too close to the house.
783
00:36:36,662 --> 00:36:40,165
MARVILLE CARONNA: My father
was a very mean person.
784
00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:43,302
He had no respect for nobody.
785
00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:47,339
And if you would come up to
him and ask him anything,
786
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,074
he wouldn't answer you.
787
00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:54,012
He would grab the gun, show
it to you, and then tell you,
788
00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:56,147
"What the hell you want?"
789
00:36:56,248 --> 00:37:01,119
And then if he didn't like what
you wanted, or what you said,
790
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:05,324
he would tell you,
"Hit the road Jack."
791
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,726
Caroline was in the same manner.
792
00:37:07,826 --> 00:37:12,498
She slept with a gun underneath
her pillow at all times.
793
00:37:12,598 --> 00:37:16,735
And she was another person
that the gun would come first.
794
00:37:16,835 --> 00:37:18,136
I always go in town--
795
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,638
MARVILLE CARONNA (VOICEOVER):
She would ask questions later.
796
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,773
Because next week I
don't want them kids here.
797
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:22,674
I don't want them around.
798
00:37:22,774 --> 00:37:23,975
I don't want them underfoot.
799
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,644
ERNST ACOSTA: You don't want
them kids here next week?
800
00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:27,012
No, I don't want them.
801
00:37:27,112 --> 00:37:29,247
MARVILLE CARONNA (VOICEOVER):
They were the perfect pair.
802
00:37:29,348 --> 00:37:32,318
They were two of a kind.
803
00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:33,552
And they loved guns.
804
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,397
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Marville Caronna
805
00:37:45,497 --> 00:37:47,366
claims to know of at
least two occasions
806
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:50,969
where Hotard and Audrey
came to the house.
807
00:37:51,069 --> 00:37:54,072
Both times they apparently
argued with Caroline,
808
00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:57,743
but no one knows why.
809
00:37:57,843 --> 00:37:59,177
MARVILLE CARONNA
(VOICEOVER): My father
810
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:04,616
said that they knew something
about Mrs. Caroline Schlesser.
811
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:06,117
What you want here Hotard?
812
00:38:06,217 --> 00:38:07,519
We don't want any trouble.
813
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,054
MARVILLE CARONNA (VOICEOVER):
What they knew, I do not know.
814
00:38:09,154 --> 00:38:10,422
We ain't go nothing
to talk about boy.
815
00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:11,623
THOMAS HOTARD: Now
Miss Caroline--
816
00:38:11,723 --> 00:38:12,991
MARVILLE CARONNA (VOICEOVER):
According to him,
817
00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:18,163
Mrs. Moate was related to Mrs.
Schlesser some kind of way.
818
00:38:18,263 --> 00:38:19,064
All right, make sure.
819
00:38:19,164 --> 00:38:20,899
This is the last time boy.
820
00:38:20,999 --> 00:38:22,734
Come on.
821
00:38:22,834 --> 00:38:24,436
And you better
watch your manners.
822
00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:26,338
And don't talk that
trash talk in my house.
823
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:27,539
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The night
824
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,708
before the body was found,
Marville says her father
825
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:32,378
was away visiting his children.
826
00:38:32,478 --> 00:38:35,113
Apparently Caroline phoned
him, and he rushed home.
827
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:37,383
[wolf howl]
828
00:38:46,358 --> 00:38:48,394
Acosta told his daughter
that both Hotard
829
00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:49,961
and Moate had
actually been killed
830
00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:52,898
by Caroline in the house.
831
00:38:52,998 --> 00:38:54,299
He claimed that
he and a neighbor
832
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,968
carried Hotard's body
back to Frenier Beach
833
00:38:57,068 --> 00:39:00,138
and placed it in the car.
834
00:39:00,238 --> 00:39:03,775
They then tied Audrey's body
to an old Civil War cannon
835
00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:04,876
and dumped it in the swamp.
836
00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:08,747
DEKKI MOATE
(VOICEOVER): I told him,
837
00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:11,182
I said "Daddy, how
could you all have
838
00:39:11,282 --> 00:39:14,920
killed Mrs. Moate
and Mr. Hotard?",
839
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:19,525
because Mr. Hotard
was killed in the car.
840
00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:22,828
He said, "Believe what
you want to believe.
841
00:39:22,928 --> 00:39:27,065
I'm telling you what happened."
842
00:39:27,165 --> 00:39:29,635
I brought Miss Caronna
to the sheriff's office,
843
00:39:29,735 --> 00:39:33,304
and she was given a lie
detector test on everything
844
00:39:33,405 --> 00:39:34,706
that she said.
845
00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:36,107
And she passed it.
846
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:39,377
It said that she was
telling the truth.
847
00:39:39,478 --> 00:39:40,779
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Wayne Norwood
848
00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,482
joined the sheriff's department
of St. John the Baptist Parish
849
00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:45,717
in 1983.
850
00:39:45,817 --> 00:39:47,753
He heard about the
Hotard-Moate case
851
00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,121
and became intrigued by it.
852
00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,991
For the past five years, he
has conducted an unofficial
853
00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:56,327
investigation on his own time.
854
00:39:56,428 --> 00:39:58,630
Right on the other
side of the track right
855
00:39:58,730 --> 00:40:00,466
at the edge of the swamp
is where the old Acosta
856
00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:01,767
house used to be.
857
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:04,936
And according to Miss
Marville, about where you see
858
00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:09,140
the big cypress stump is about
where the cannon used to sit.
859
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,577
And we hope to go
back in there a little
860
00:40:11,677 --> 00:40:14,345
later on when the water goes
down and do some more diving.
861
00:40:14,446 --> 00:40:16,448
Hopefully we'll
find something then.
862
00:40:16,548 --> 00:40:17,816
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Wayne Norwood
863
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,786
is convinced Audrey's body was
indeed thrown into the swamp
864
00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:22,654
tied to a cannon.
865
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:26,157
And he has combed the area
with a metal detector.
866
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:28,660
But he believes Acosta
may have worked the truth
867
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,229
when he told his daughter
the other crucial details
868
00:40:31,329 --> 00:40:33,965
of that night.
869
00:40:34,065 --> 00:40:37,002
WAYNE NORWOOD: Mr.
Acosta said that his wife
870
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:39,137
had actually done the
killing and that he
871
00:40:39,237 --> 00:40:41,372
had helped hide the body.
872
00:40:41,473 --> 00:40:44,275
But this is one of the
things that I disagree with.
873
00:40:44,375 --> 00:40:49,347
I think that this was his way
of telling what had happened
874
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:52,150
but not letting the
kids know that he
875
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:55,721
actually did the murder, just
relieving his conscience.
876
00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:57,756
I think this was
his way of doing it.
877
00:41:02,561 --> 00:41:07,265
I would imagine since he watched
the area back there real close
878
00:41:07,365 --> 00:41:09,768
and he run hunters
off all the time
879
00:41:09,868 --> 00:41:12,337
that he had to know what was
going on because people had
880
00:41:12,437 --> 00:41:15,106
seen this automobile,
and a man and woman,
881
00:41:15,206 --> 00:41:19,511
park back there every
Saturday just like clockwork.
882
00:41:28,386 --> 00:41:31,289
My theory is that he
had been watching them.
883
00:41:31,389 --> 00:41:33,959
And this particular time
that he was watching them,
884
00:41:34,059 --> 00:41:36,662
and probably got excited.
885
00:41:36,762 --> 00:41:38,429
And I think it was a sex crime.
886
00:42:02,153 --> 00:42:04,690
It had to be sheer panic.
887
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:07,492
It had to be intense fear.
888
00:42:07,593 --> 00:42:12,430
I mean, to watch your lover
get his head blown off,
889
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:15,266
and then fear for your
own life, I'm sure.
890
00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:23,975
WAYNE NORWOOD: He only
lived about a mile
891
00:42:24,075 --> 00:42:26,044
from the murder scene.
892
00:42:26,144 --> 00:42:30,415
There were no tire marks,
according to the investigation.
893
00:42:30,515 --> 00:42:36,187
And, he only had to take her
about a mile to the house.
894
00:42:36,287 --> 00:42:38,123
So this would be why
there was no tracks
895
00:42:38,223 --> 00:42:39,925
and a quick disappearance.
896
00:42:48,967 --> 00:42:50,035
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The scene
897
00:42:50,135 --> 00:42:51,703
of the crime has
changed considerably
898
00:42:51,803 --> 00:42:55,707
since that tragic
Saturday morning in 1956.
899
00:42:55,807 --> 00:42:59,645
The actual spot where Thomas
Hotard died is now 100 yards
900
00:42:59,745 --> 00:43:03,581
offshore, reclaimed by the
waters of Lake Pontchartrain.
901
00:43:03,682 --> 00:43:05,516
And Audrey Moate?
902
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:08,319
Her fate remains a mystery
hidden in the murky
903
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:09,955
swamp surrounding the lake.
904
00:43:13,191 --> 00:43:14,525
DEKKI MOATE (VOICEOVER):
I think it's always
905
00:43:14,626 --> 00:43:19,931
going to be in the back
of my mind, in my heart,
906
00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:23,601
to want to know what happened.
907
00:43:23,702 --> 00:43:28,573
I hope that whatever
happened, that it
908
00:43:28,674 --> 00:43:31,710
was correct, that
she didn't suffer,
909
00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:34,846
that she wasn't
put through a lot.
910
00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:36,915
But I need to know.
911
00:43:56,401 --> 00:43:58,536
For every mystery
there is someone,
912
00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:00,706
somewhere who knows the truth.
913
00:44:00,806 --> 00:44:02,040
Perhaps that someone
was watching.
914
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:05,043
Perhaps it's you.
915
00:44:05,143 --> 00:44:08,680
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