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NARRATOR: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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ROBERT STACK: In
September of 1979,
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19-year-old Micki West
vanished without a trace.
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Exactly seven
years later, a note
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was found from someone
who claimed to have
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witnessed Micki's murder.
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But his identity
remains unknown.
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Between 1890 and 1920,
thousands of homeless children
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rode orphan trains to new
families in the Midwest.
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Today, many want to
find the brothers
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and sisters they never knew.
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In 1967, a five-year-old boy
fell into a rain-swollen creek
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in Nutley, New Jersey.
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Two months later,
his body was found
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in the river three miles away.
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In 1974, a New York banker
boarded a commuter train
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to take him home to New Jersey.
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During the train
ride, he vanished.
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Two months later,
his body was found
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on the bank of a nearby river.
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In 1976, a
14-year-old schoolgirl
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left her home on Staten Island
to look for a summer job.
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That afternoon, she disappeared.
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Two years later, her body was
found in an abandoned shipyard.
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What links these cases together
is Dorothy Allison, a housewife
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from Nutley, New Jersey.
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She predicted where all three
bodies would be found, what
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happened to the victims, and,
remarkably, in two cases,
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predicted when they
would be discovered.
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Dorothy Allison
and the authorities
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with whom she has worked
claim she has psychic powers.
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In my lifetime, this is the
most amazing thing that ever
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happened to me-- to see the
ultimate results of everything
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that she had said.
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It's as though I turned on a
TV station and got a picture.
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And this is what I get when
I get a vision of something
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or a place or a
person or anything.
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It's as though you're turning
on-- tuning in on a TV set.
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Dorothy Allison is
called almost daily
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by police detectives.
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And although she's
never paid for her work,
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she's been asked to help in
hundreds of investigations.
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In the next hour, we'll
follow Dorothy Allison
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on a current murder
investigation
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and explore two other
unsolved mysteries.
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I'll also tell you
how our viewers
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helped capture a murder suspect
and his teenage girlfriend.
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Join me.
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You may be able to
help solve a mystery.
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[theme music]
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On the morning of
September 11, 1979,
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in the small town of
St. Joseph, Missouri,
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a young woman named Micki
Jo West left for work.
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She was never seen
again Her friends
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and family suspect foul play.
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But her body has
never been found.
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I think I know what
happened to Micki.
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I think I know who did it.
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And I think I know
why they did it.
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We have a suspect that
we established the day
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after the disappearance.
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We've talked to
him several times.
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We know where he lives now.
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We know where we can reach him.
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We just simply have no evidence
against him at this point.
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I believe that this
person who's described
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as a number one suspect-- I
believe that he abducted her.
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And within two or three
hours of that time,
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I believe he killed her.
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ROBERT STACK: At the time
of her disappearance,
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Micki Jo West was 19 years old.
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She was an outgoing,
friendly girl,
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who worked as a nurse's aide at
the St. Joseph State Hospital.
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She was funny.
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She could make a bad
situation into a good one.
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When I had bad days, and I was
at my worst end, she'd come in.
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And everything would be
all right, because she'd
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say something funny.
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ROBERT STACK: Micki
became involved
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in the bitter marital dispute
of a friend of hers-- perhaps
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too involved.
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She began to receive threats.
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The last time I talked
to Micki on the phone,
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she was scared.
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She was afraid for her life.
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So she told me she
was going to carry
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a hammer to work with her.
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That next morning, she
got up and left her house
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and was on her way
to the bus stop.
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And that was the last that
anyone ever heard from her.
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At this point, the only case
we have is a missing person.
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We have no crime.
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We have a missing person.
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We have no body to
establish a murder case.
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Without a body, we cannot
convict anyone of murder.
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We have evidence that there
were threats made to Micki,
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that she was followed
by this person,
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that he had a motive to do this,
that he could have done this.
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We just need the body.
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ROBERT STACK: For seven years,
no new evidence was found.
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Then, in 1986, a delivery
man at a Kansas City
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shopping mall 75 miles
from where she disappeared
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found a letter.
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It was addressed to
the St. Joseph police.
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He opened it and read,
"I need your help.
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I was with--" and
here, we cannot mention
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the person's name--
"when he killed
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Micki Jo West and hid the body.
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I can kill myself now.
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Please help."
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This letter was unsigned.
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TIMOTHY SCHWEDER: About a
month later, on October 2nd,
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another note is found
in the same mall.
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A security guard who
worked in the mall
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found this note in
a hallway there.
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It was obviously the same
envelope, the same paper.
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Obviously, it was
the same person.
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It had the same message on it.
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And it, too, was delivered to
the police in Overland Park
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and then eventually
to our department.
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Both of the notes named
the man who has been
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and is now the prime suspect.
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The author in these notes said
that he was with the person who
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had killed her, that he
did not kill her himself,
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that he could not stand
this knowledge that he had,
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and that he needed help.
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They were both inside.
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And so far, we have not
come up with any solid leads
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as to who the author is.
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ROBERT STACK: Seven weeks later,
three more letters were found,
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this time in St. Joseph-- the
town where Micki was last seen.
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The first of these was
discovered in a shopping mall.
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The same day, another was
found at a local truck stop.
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Then, a janitor found another
letter in the same St.
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Joseph shopping mall.
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After the three notes
were found in St. Joseph,
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we had a total of five notes--
all established to be from
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the same author, all
saying the same message,
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naming the same suspect, but
getting us no closer to making
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the case or proving
the case against this
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person than we were before.
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We've explored the possibility
that the notes are a hoax.
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But we believe they're genuine
because of the details that he
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has given us about the
crime, because of the way
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they are written, because of
the feelings that they express.
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They just seem realistic.
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When we examined these
letters, it was obvious to us
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that the person who wrote them
was intimidated by the person
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who killed Micki Jo.
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These weren't letters
written by a stranger.
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They were written by
someone who was personally
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acquainted with the victim.
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There are deep-seated
feelings of guilt--
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not guilt because the
writer was personally
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responsible for
having killed Micki,
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but because he was
present when it happened
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and wasn't able to stop it.
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ROBERT STACK: On
January 13, 1988,
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nine years after
Micki's disappearance,
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another letter turned up at
a Kansas City Mall theater.
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It was addressed to the
police and a local TV station.
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Eight months later, a
reporter for the TV station,
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Thurman Mitchell,
received a letter
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addressed to him personally.
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TIMOTHY SCHWEDER:
In this letter,
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the author said that if
Thurman would come alone,
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he would show him
where Micki Jo West is.
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He said that he did
not want the reward,
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that he was not
interested in the reward.
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He said that he was not
himself involved in the crime,
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but that he needed help again.
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THURMAN MITCHELL (ON TV):
Because this latest letter
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was mailed to the station--
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TIMOTHY SCHWEDER: In response
to this letter that Mr. Mitchell
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received, he did a
news story asking
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this person to come forward
and contact him personally.
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THURMAN MITCHELL (ON TV):
--about Micki Jo's death.
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We're asking that witness
to call the telephone number
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on the screen and talk to us.
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And we'll pass that
information on--
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ROBERT STACK: An on-air
appeal proved unsuccessful.
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Today, the letter writer
remains anonymous.
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The case of Micki Jo
West is still unsolved.
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The author of these notes
is the most important witness
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that we could have in this case.
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If he knows where she
is-- if he was there,
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and he will testify-- he
is absolutely crucial.
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I would just like to
ask him to come forward,
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and tell us what he knows.
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Or if he doesn't want to come
forward, write us a letter,
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and tell us where
she is in the letter.
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Or give us a phone call.
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Come forward in some way.
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We miss Micki.
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And it's been nine years.
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And we just want to know
what happened to her.
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[music playing]
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[theme music]
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ROBERT STACK: Last month,
we broadcast a story
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about Dave Davis from
Pittsford, Michigan-- a man
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accused of murdering his wife.
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On July the 23rd, 1980,
Davis and his wife Shannon
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were horseback riding on their
farm 80 miles outside Detroit.
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Davis claims that Shannon
lost control of her horse,
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fell, and struck her head.
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She was rushed to the
hospital, but doctors
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pronounced her dead on arrival.
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After a few days,
Shannon's parents
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found out that Davis had
taken out six large life
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insurance policies on Shannon.
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They had their
daughter's body exhumed.
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The results showed traces
of an animal tranquilizer,
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as well as two injection
marks-- one on her wrist,
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and one on her shoulder.
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Police found out
that Davis had indeed
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had access to the
animal tranquilizer
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through a deer hunting group.
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Just as his arrest seemed
imminent, Davis fled.
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He had not been seen since
October the 13th, 1981.
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FBI and different ones had
said, don't discount the fact
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that he may already be dead.
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But we felt like, no,
he's out there someplace.
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He was a rugged
outdoors individual.
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He was a survivor.
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ROBERT STACK: We broadcast
Davis's story twice.
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Within days of our
second broadcast,
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Dave Davis was captured.
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A viewer identified him as a
man named Davis Myer Bell, who
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was living on the tiny island
chain of American Samoa,
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2,000 miles south of Hawaii.
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Davis, alias Bell, was
arrested three days later.
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REPORTER: Any comment on the
charges against you, Mr. Davis?
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I didn't do it.
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REPORTER: Police say
your wife was poisoned.
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I didn't do it.
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ROBERT STACK: Police
learned that four years ago,
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Davis had fled to
American Samoa,
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where he lived in this house.
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Before that, he had lived in
Florida, Haiti, and Alaska,
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among other places.
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Two years ago, he married
a 20-year-old Samoan woman.
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He told her that his first wife
had died in a tragic accident.
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In American Samoa, Davis
obtained a job as a pilot
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for a small commercial airline.
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He was apprehended on his
way to work at the airport.
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Davis was extradited
to Honolulu, Hawaii.
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He admitted his identity and
voluntarily agreed to return
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to Michigan to stand trial.
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In return, federal
authorities dropped
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charges of unlawful flight.
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[music playing]
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[theme music]
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Around the turn of the century,
the streets of New York City
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were filled with starving
immigrant children who
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had no one to care for them.
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The city orphanages overflowed.
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School classes
and afternoon naps
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often took place outside,
even in the bitter cold.
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To alleviate the
crowded conditions,
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the Children's Aid
Society of New York
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came up with a unique plan.
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They began to put
orphans on trains bound
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for the South and
the Midwest, hoping
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they would be adopted by farm
families along the route.
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Between 1890 and
1929, scores of trains
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carried at least 150,000 orphans
into the heartland of America.
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Sadly, many of
them were separated
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from their brothers
and sisters, whom
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they would never see again.
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In 1910, two brothers
named Algie and Johnny
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rode in an orphan train.
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Along with a group
of other orphans,
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they headed for Arkansas,
hoping to be adopted.
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ALGIE BRALY: When we
left New York, none of us
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knew where we was going.
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But the guy that took us
knew where he was headed for.
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Fayetteville was
the destination.
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ROBERT STACK: When
Algie and Johnny's train
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arrived in
Fayetteville, Arkansas,
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prospective parents were waiting
to look the children over.
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The brothers hoped they would
be able to stay together.
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This stop-- Fayetteville!
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ALGIE BRALY: When you
stopped, why, they just
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lined us up beside the track.
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The one thing I remember, I
just wondered what they was
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going to do with me and Johnny.
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I had hoped that we'd both
be in some home together.
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People commence coming
and look at the kids.
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Some of them took them to
make farmers out of them
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or slaves out of them.
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Some people take them
'cause they loved them.
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MAN: How do you like this one?
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WOMAN: Oh, I like him.
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What's your name?
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Algie.
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MAN: Algie, you're
going to go with me.
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ROBERT STACK: When it came
time to make the decision,
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the couple who took Algie
only wanted one child.
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ALGIE BRALY: He took me and
didn't want to take Johnny.
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Well, they just pulled us apart.
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And I just tried,
but I couldn't.
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But I just know
they separated us.
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One fellow took Johnny,
and one took me.
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Finally, oh, it
took me a long time.
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I got over that.
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But still, it come to my mind
once in a while, where is he?
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Hadn't been for the
old man that raised me,
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I wouldn't have found--
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I know it.
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He took me around--
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ROBERT STACK: Happily, Algie
and Johnny, the brothers
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who were separated when
they rode the orphan train,
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have been reunited.
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I was treated good.
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ROBERT STACK: Tonight, we will
meet two other orphan train
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riders, Francis Murphy
and Sylvia Wemhoff,
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who have been unable to
find their lost siblings.
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In 1921, Sylvia Wemhoff,
whose last name then was Wolk,
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was taken out of a New
York City orphanage
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to ride an orphan
train to Nebraska.
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Her parents were dead, and she
left behind an older sibling
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about whom she knew nothing.
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Sylvie was three years old.
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And the children
on her train had
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been selected, sight unseen,
by members of churches
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in Columbus, Nebraska.
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Sylvia was a very small child
when she rode the orphan train.
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She was taken in a bit
of a different manner,
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because she was spoken
for ahead of time.
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On your papers, there's
a name and a number.
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The number will correspond
with the number here.
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MARY JOHNSON:
Numbers would be sewn
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onto the children's
garments with their name
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and the birth date.
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The corresponding
matching parent
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that had been found and located
by the foundling hospital
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would have a number
corresponding to the number.
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And when they got to
the train station,
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they would match the
number and take the child.
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WOMAN: Are you Sylvia?
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Would you like to
go home with me?
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MARY JOHNSON: And this was the
way Sylvia Wemhoff was chosen.
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ROBERT STACK:
Sylvia's last name was
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changed to Mick
when she was adopted
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by the John Mick family.
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They had a small farm
in Lindsay, Nebraska.
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And Sylvia, along with
another orphan-- a boy--
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was happily welcomed
into the family.
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When I was about
17, 18 years old,
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and I began to question my
Mother Mick whether I had
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any brothers or
sisters, and if so,
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I wonder if we could
ever get together.
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ROBERT STACK: After
years of searching,
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Sylvia located her
birth certificate.
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It showed that she was
born Stephanie Wolk,
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spelled W-O-L-K,
and that her mother,
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Pauline Vitovich from
Austria, already had
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a child when Sylvia was born.
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Sylvie was adopted when
she was three years old
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and today is 70.
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She is desperately trying to
locate her missing sibling,
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even though there is no way
to tell whether she is looking
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for a brother or a sister.
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The day after our broadcast,
Sylvia's search came to an end.
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She learned that her brother,
72-year-old Joseph Wolk,
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was living in New York City.
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Wolk's stepdaughter
had seen our broadcast
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and recognized the names on
Sylvia's birth certificate.
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On September 25,
Sylvia flew to New York
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and met her brother
Joseph for the first time.
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Joseph!
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Your sister Sylvia is here.
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How are you doing?
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I'm Sylvia.
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Sylvia.
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I'm so glad.
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I'm so happy.
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I'm so happy, too, to see you.
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We hugged each other.
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And we were just really
thrilled and happy that we
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finally, finally got together.
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I had heard I had a sister.
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And I was awfully pleased when I
saw her and thankful-- thankful
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to God.
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Yes, that's me on there.
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ROBERT STACK: Most brothers
and sisters grow up
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sharing their lives together.
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But for Sylvia and Joseph,
the love and memories
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are just beginning.
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The next man we will
meet is Francis Murphy.
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In 1928, when he was 11, he
too rode the orphan train.
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His baby sister,
Margaret, and his mother,
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who was too poor to take care
of him, were both left behind.
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FRANCIS MURPHY: When
I got on the train,
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I didn't really feel
that I was being
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wrenched away from somebody.
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I didn't know that
much about my mother,
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so that it wasn't a matter
of tearing me away from her,
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because I was away from
her all the time anyway.
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00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,144
It was a big adventure
more than anything else.
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00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:48,247
As a kid in New York,
you have to remember
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00:20:48,348 --> 00:20:51,451
that we didn't know the West.
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00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:53,219
And what we knew
was from the picture
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shows we saw of cowboys and
Indians and maybe engineers.
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00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:59,926
And going that
direction-- well, that
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00:21:00,026 --> 00:21:03,563
was the biggest thrill
that a kid in my time
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could really expect.
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ROBERT STACK:
Francis's excitement
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soon turned to sadness.
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00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:18,378
[inaudible]
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Hello, I'm Camille Mitchell
of the Children's Aid Society.
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I brought your boy.
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ROBERT STACK: At
stop after stop,
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potential adoptive parents
would be waiting to pick
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their child from the crowd.
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But not all the children
found new parents.
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00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:31,991
Can I get your
signature please?
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00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:34,226
Okay.
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ROBERT STACK: Francis, who had
boarded the train in New York
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with such high hopes,
began to realize
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that none of the families along
the train's route wanted him.
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CAMILLE MITCHELL: This
is your son, Luke.
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00:21:41,868 --> 00:21:42,635
MAN: Hi, Luke.
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00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:44,704
Welcome to our family.
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14 or 15 children
that were leaving.
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00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:52,078
And you got off the train
with their belongings.
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00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:55,114
And they told me, Francis,
you should stay on the train.
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MARY JOHNSON: And he would
see the crowd get smaller
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and smaller until finally
he was the only child left
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00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,788
on the train.
- Bye-bye.
435
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:02,722
Bye-bye.
436
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,592
Bye!
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00:22:05,692 --> 00:22:08,160
All aboard!
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00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:09,161
That's right, son.
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00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:12,064
[train horn blowing]
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ROBERT STACK: Francis
never was adopted.
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00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,239
He went from family to
family as a foster child.
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00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:29,449
In spite of his early hardships,
Francis's life turned out well.
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00:22:29,549 --> 00:22:32,519
He became a high school
teacher, married, and had five
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00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,387
children and six grandchildren.
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00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:40,727
Francis Murphy, who rode the
orphan train 60 years ago,
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developed heart disease in 1987.
447
00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:45,598
And sadly, he died
soon after we filmed
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his interview in November.
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Francis's wife and family
have continued his search,
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and they asked that we present
his story, despite the fact
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that he is gone.
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00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:56,909
They hope to unite the family
who still loves Francis
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00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,412
with the family he
never knew and wanted
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00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:02,048
so desperately to find.
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00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,984
It was extremely
important to Francis
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00:23:05,084 --> 00:23:07,119
to go ahead with this interview.
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00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:12,324
He had been looking forward
to it for literally months.
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00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:17,730
And just the hope that he would
find somebody, particularly
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00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:22,769
his sister, was important.
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00:23:22,869 --> 00:23:28,641
He didn't know much
about love growing up.
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00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:34,547
And he found out as he got older
and had a family of his own.
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00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,248
I think his finding
Margaret would
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00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:38,317
be an extension of that love.
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00:23:42,021 --> 00:23:46,759
It's still very
important to us that we
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00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:48,227
finish what he tried to do.
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00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:54,867
ROBERT STACK: Francis Murphy's
sister, Margaret, would
467
00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:58,237
be about 62 years old today.
468
00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:01,107
She was probably born in either
Yonkers or New York City,
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00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:03,876
and she may have been adopted.
470
00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:07,313
Francis and Margaret's mother
was Hilda Harding Murphy.
471
00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:09,415
Their grandparents
were John and Elizabeth
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00:24:09,516 --> 00:24:11,584
Harding from Nova Scotia.
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00:24:11,684 --> 00:24:13,653
Francis's father
was Martin Murphy.
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00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:28,935
[theme music]
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These are affidavits from police
departments around the country,
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00:24:37,076 --> 00:24:40,547
attesting to Dorothy
Allison's psychic powers.
477
00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:42,081
The use of psychics
in police work
478
00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:44,517
is almost always controversial.
479
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:46,285
Frequently, they're inaccurate.
480
00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:48,755
All too often, they
are charlatans.
481
00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:50,923
But there are a
few who do, indeed,
482
00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:54,493
seem to have a special gift--
the unexplainable ability
483
00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,764
to predict details still
locked in the future,
484
00:24:57,864 --> 00:25:01,267
an ability which, in itself,
is an unsolved mystery.
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00:25:07,106 --> 00:25:10,710
On December 3, 1967,
five-year-old Michael
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Kurcsics and his
older brother went
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00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:15,314
out to play at around 8:15 AM.
488
00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:18,851
As they were playing,
Michael lost his footing,
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00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:21,921
fell into a churning river,
was swept away, and drowned.
490
00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:31,631
Two hours before Michael's
accident, at 5:56 AM,
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00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:34,433
Dorothy Allison awoke
from a horrific nightmare.
492
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:39,606
Her lucid and frightening dream
predicted Michael's death.
493
00:25:39,706 --> 00:25:42,141
DOROTHY ALLISON: I saw
this little boy in a pipe.
494
00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:44,043
His hands were like
this in the dream.
495
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,679
They were clasped together,
and they were very black.
496
00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:49,916
I didn't know why they were so
black, because he was so white.
497
00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:52,685
I saw this tremendous
illumination of light,
498
00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:57,724
almost as though he had been in,
it seemed to me, like a vacuum.
499
00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:03,730
ROBERT STACK: For weeks, the
authorities searched the river.
500
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:08,300
But there was no trace
of Michael's body.
501
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,202
A month after
Michael disappeared,
502
00:26:10,302 --> 00:26:12,739
Dorothy went to the police
and insisted that someone
503
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:14,473
listen to her story.
504
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:20,246
I had a dream of this
little boy stuck in a pipe.
505
00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:21,648
ROBERT STACK: The
one brief newspaper
506
00:26:21,748 --> 00:26:25,417
article about the case did not
contain a picture of Michael.
507
00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:28,320
The police were startled when
Dorothy accurately described
508
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,489
the clothes he was wearing.
509
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,693
DOROTHY ALLISON: He had
on this green snowsuit.
510
00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:36,763
Underneath the snowsuit,
he had on a polo shirt
511
00:26:36,863 --> 00:26:37,730
with the stripes.
512
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:39,966
And underneath
that, an undershirt
513
00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:42,168
with a medal pinned to it.
514
00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:45,437
And also, he had his
shoes on the wrong feet.
515
00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:47,239
MAN: There was a
possibility that this
516
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:48,941
could have been a hoax.
517
00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,945
There's always that possibility.
518
00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:55,314
When she came up with
this description,
519
00:26:55,414 --> 00:26:58,150
I became overwhelmed,
because I knew this boy.
520
00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,086
I knew this family.
521
00:27:00,186 --> 00:27:02,554
It just got me to a point
where I had to know more
522
00:27:02,655 --> 00:27:04,456
about what she was dreaming.
523
00:27:04,556 --> 00:27:07,126
Maybe there was something more
that she couldn't remember now.
524
00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:09,896
Maybe just questioning her
would bring more of it out.
525
00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:14,967
But we were going to work
with her, because she got me.
526
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:17,169
She just got me.
527
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:19,939
When I started to talk
to Don, I kept telling him
528
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,709
that I saw the number 120,
but whatever that meant,
529
00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:24,043
I don't know.
530
00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,412
I also saw the number
eight and didn't
531
00:27:26,512 --> 00:27:28,347
know what that meant either.
532
00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:30,817
And I kept insisting
that his body would
533
00:27:30,917 --> 00:27:33,252
be found behind the school.
534
00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:34,186
I insisted on that.
535
00:27:39,926 --> 00:27:42,128
ROBERT STACK: As the search
for Michael continued,
536
00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:44,596
Dorothy's clues
began to mount up--
537
00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:49,668
the number eight, the school,
the parking lot behind an ITT
538
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:54,273
factory, lumber, gold
lettering on a window,
539
00:27:54,373 --> 00:28:01,047
and the number 120.
540
00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:04,851
MAN: She had mentioned a
number 120 the very first day
541
00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,518
that we were together.
542
00:28:06,618 --> 00:28:10,256
And we thought, well,
maybe it's an address.
543
00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:15,161
And in the area that we were
in initially, there was no 120.
544
00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:19,899
Then we thought, well, maybe
would be January 20-- the month
545
00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:21,333
and the day.
546
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:23,335
That came and went.
547
00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:27,273
No significance whatsoever,
but that 120 kept coming up--
548
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,242
and to me, especially, and
I couldn't understand why.
549
00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:32,144
By now, they were starting
to lose their patience.
550
00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:35,214
And Don [inaudible]
says, my god, I'm trying,
551
00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:36,983
but I don't know
what you're saying.
552
00:28:37,083 --> 00:28:40,319
I said, well, look, he will
be found on February 7.
553
00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:41,821
And then our troubles
will be over.
554
00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:44,156
You will know the story
of Michael Kurcsics.
555
00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:46,893
The day the boy
was found, it was
556
00:28:46,993 --> 00:28:50,062
1:20 in the afternoon
of February 7
557
00:28:50,162 --> 00:28:52,531
that I was told that
the baby was found.
558
00:28:59,305 --> 00:29:00,672
ROBERT STACK: The spot
where Michael's body
559
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:05,377
was found coincided with
several of Dorothy's clues.
560
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,180
Dorothy's vision of a number
eight was echoed by the fact
561
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,750
that Elementary School PS 8
stands on the riverbank nearby.
562
00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:16,956
Across the street
is a lumberyard.
563
00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:19,491
Next door is an office
building with gold letters
564
00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:20,392
on the window.
565
00:29:23,129 --> 00:29:26,098
Directly across the
river is a local ITT
566
00:29:26,198 --> 00:29:29,168
factory and its parking lot.
567
00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,337
And when Michael
was found, he was
568
00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:34,440
wearing exactly the same
clothes that Dorothy had dreamt.
569
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:36,876
And although his galoshes
were on the correct feet,
570
00:29:36,976 --> 00:29:40,279
his undershoes were
indeed on the wrong feet.
571
00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,452
We backtracked.
572
00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:48,787
And everything that
she was saying now
573
00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:51,090
fit into place,
just like a puzzle.
574
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:53,692
You pick up a piece, and
you toss it around until you
575
00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,728
link it and show the picture.
576
00:29:56,829 --> 00:29:58,097
It means nothing.
577
00:29:58,197 --> 00:30:00,833
But now, everything
seemed to fit in place.
578
00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:03,802
And we started-- I started to
kick myself for not knowing
579
00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:05,804
what she was talking about.
580
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:08,640
There have been
many, many times
581
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,642
that I struck out completely.
582
00:30:10,742 --> 00:30:14,413
And I really wanted to find
the child and got no answers.
583
00:30:14,513 --> 00:30:16,748
Till today, I don't know why.
584
00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:19,385
But there are several
cases where I never
585
00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:23,055
come up with anything, not even
one little clue that I know of.
586
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,528
ROBERT STACK: Dorothy Allison
has lived in New Jersey
587
00:30:29,628 --> 00:30:30,997
all her life.
588
00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:33,099
She has four children,
and her husband, Bob,
589
00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:34,766
is an engineer
for a construction
590
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:36,802
company in Manhattan.
591
00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:39,738
When Dorothy was 14, she
had the first indication
592
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,808
of her psychic abilities,
when she correctly predicted
593
00:30:42,909 --> 00:30:45,644
the death of her father.
594
00:30:45,744 --> 00:30:48,114
Since the Michael
Kurcsics investigation,
595
00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:51,083
most of Dorothy's cases
have been homicides.
596
00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:53,085
Many of the victims
have been children.
597
00:30:55,955 --> 00:30:57,423
DOROTHY ALLISON: I've
often thought to myself,
598
00:30:57,523 --> 00:30:58,891
why does this happen to me?
599
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,093
Why not somebody else?
600
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,396
Because it has been very hard
on me emotionally, physically.
601
00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:07,566
And it has not been a happy
thing for me at all times.
602
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,607
ROBERT STACK: On
December 20, 1974,
603
00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:17,944
a New York banker--
John DeMars--
604
00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:19,578
left his Manhattan
office to ride
605
00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:20,947
the train home to New Jersey.
606
00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:25,751
He was happily married
with two young children
607
00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:27,586
and habitually called
his wife if he was going
608
00:31:27,686 --> 00:31:29,721
to be even five minutes late.
609
00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,891
But on this day, when his
train stopped at Nutley,
610
00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:35,294
John DeMars was not on board.
611
00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,163
He had simply vanished.
612
00:31:39,798 --> 00:31:40,832
SAL LUBERTAZZI:
Our first thoughts
613
00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,834
were maybe he embezzled money.
614
00:31:42,935 --> 00:31:46,172
But we didn't find anything
wrong with the bank.
615
00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:48,674
Maybe he ran away
with another girl.
616
00:31:48,774 --> 00:31:50,742
We found out that
that wasn't true.
617
00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:52,011
We just couldn't
find this fella,
618
00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:54,413
so I went to see Dorothy.
619
00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:57,749
I said, Dorothy, I'm looking
for a male adult that's been
620
00:31:57,849 --> 00:32:00,186
missing for more than 24 hours.
621
00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:02,989
Her first words were to
me was, he's drowned.
622
00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:04,556
I said, he fell off the train.
623
00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:07,693
He said, how could he fall
off the train in the water?
624
00:32:07,793 --> 00:32:08,660
I says, nope.
625
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,296
I said, you received
misinformation.
626
00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:11,863
He fell off the train.
627
00:32:11,964 --> 00:32:13,199
He's in water.
628
00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:16,668
So I says, well, can you
give me any other clues
629
00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:19,071
as to where I would find Him
630
00:32:19,171 --> 00:32:22,708
I said, I see a row of tires,
a little park where children
631
00:32:22,808 --> 00:32:25,177
go down a hill on their sleds.
632
00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:28,114
I see a fire engine
that children play on.
633
00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,716
And I see this man
in this water here.
634
00:32:30,816 --> 00:32:35,187
Then she told me that
she sees a bow and arrow.
635
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:36,655
Now, where do you
find a bow and arrow?
636
00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:39,825
I thought she was crazy.
637
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:42,061
Hey, good job.
638
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,596
ROBERT STACK: Two months after
the disappearance, a father
639
00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:46,632
and his teenage son
were target shooting
640
00:32:46,732 --> 00:32:50,036
with a bow and arrow on a bluff
overlooking the Passaic River.
641
00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,242
One of the arrows
missed the target
642
00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,611
and landed a few feet from
the body of John DeMars.
643
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,984
The body was found
on February 22.
644
00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:10,489
Dorothy had mentioned
the number 222.
645
00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:12,558
Nearby was a park
where rows of tires
646
00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:16,562
had been arranged
to make a sled run.
647
00:33:16,662 --> 00:33:20,966
The question remained-- how did
John DeMars, a train passenger,
648
00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:24,736
drown in the Passaic River?
649
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,705
The authorities
theorize that DeMars
650
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:29,075
dozed off on the way home.
651
00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:30,876
The train made an
unscheduled stop
652
00:33:30,976 --> 00:33:33,279
on the Passaic River Bridge.
653
00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:35,881
The conductor opened the
doors to let another passenger
654
00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:37,749
off the back of the train.
655
00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:40,919
John DeMars, still
half asleep, thought
656
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,621
he had reached his station.
657
00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:48,260
He stepped out into space and
fell into the river below.
658
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,961
Chills go up and
down your spine.
659
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:51,430
Believe me.
660
00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:52,598
You look around.
661
00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:54,066
You look at your notebook.
662
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:57,236
All these notes that you
wrote down three months ago,
663
00:33:57,336 --> 00:34:01,240
and everything that she
had said was exactly there.
664
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,375
Everything that she had said.
665
00:34:03,475 --> 00:34:05,477
How Dorothy can
do these things--
666
00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:06,678
I don't understand psychics.
667
00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:08,780
I don't know how
Dorothy's mind works.
668
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,217
All I know, if Dorothy
told me, Ellen,
669
00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:13,285
go outside and cross
the street, I would
670
00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:15,020
go out and cross the street.
671
00:34:15,121 --> 00:34:18,690
Because I don't know
what she's seeing for me.
672
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:20,326
ROBERT STACK: Ellen
Jacobson and her husband,
673
00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:22,394
Bill, became
involved with Dorothy
674
00:34:22,494 --> 00:34:39,178
after their daughter
disappeared from home in 1976.
675
00:34:39,278 --> 00:34:42,648
On May 15, 14-year-old
Susan Jacobson
676
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:45,384
left her Staten Island
home to interview for a job
677
00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:49,121
at a local ice cream parlor.
678
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:50,789
When Susan didn't
return for dinner,
679
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:53,058
her parents
contacted the police.
680
00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:04,069
BILL JACOBSON: We were basically
told that our daughter was 14,
681
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:07,072
she had a boyfriend,
and she ran away.
682
00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:09,975
Point-blank, that was it.
683
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:14,079
And there's nothing they can
do, because if she ran away,
684
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:17,483
they don't have manpower to go
and look for 14-year-old girls
685
00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:19,351
who run away.
686
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:20,252
So we had nothing.
687
00:35:27,092 --> 00:35:28,494
ROBERT STACK: Two weeks
later, the Jacobsons
688
00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:30,829
asked Dorothy to help.
689
00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:35,100
She immediately went to Staten
Island with her husband, Bob.
690
00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:36,802
Dorothy knew nothing
about the case
691
00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:40,939
and had never met the Jacobsons.
692
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,242
ELLEN JACOBSON: When Dorothy
came, she was so down to earth,
693
00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:46,178
it was impossible to believe.
694
00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:49,681
I had visions of,
oh, a gypsy woman.
695
00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:53,018
I had some visions of somebody
laying out a deck of cards
696
00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:56,222
and reading cards to
me or reading my hand.
697
00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,157
And Dorothy's first
reaction when I came in
698
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:00,226
is, where's the coffee?
699
00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,994
Put the coffee pot on.
700
00:36:03,094 --> 00:36:06,665
Ellen, what does
2562 mean to you?
701
00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:08,334
ELLEN JACOBSON: She
immediately asked me what
702
00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:11,303
the number 2562 would mean.
703
00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:15,874
And I said, well, I could
turn it into February 5, 1962.
704
00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:18,844
I said, that's my
daughter's birthday.
705
00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,079
She said to me, how
about the number 408?
706
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,315
What does that mean?
I'm in total shock.
707
00:36:23,415 --> 00:36:24,516
I don't know what
she's looking for.
708
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:26,385
I said, 408.
She said, maybe it's 405.
709
00:36:26,485 --> 00:36:30,556
I said, my daughter
Susan was born that time.
710
00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:31,690
She said, what's "mar"?
711
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:33,759
I said, excuse me She
says, what's "mar" mean?
712
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:35,026
I said, what do you mean, "mar"?
713
00:36:35,126 --> 00:36:37,629
She says, M-A-R. I
want to see M-A-R.
714
00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:40,532
And I said, please, let's
go to the police department,
715
00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:43,535
because the vision that I got
right then and there was that
716
00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:46,772
her daughter had been strangled
by the boyfriend and that
717
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,507
she was at this
place with this big
718
00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:50,709
M-A-R written in red letters.
719
00:36:50,809 --> 00:36:52,043
So I went to the
police department
720
00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:53,912
and tried to explain,
but to no avail.
721
00:36:56,982 --> 00:36:58,016
ROBERT STACK: The
authorities were
722
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,286
unwilling to work
with a psychic,
723
00:37:00,386 --> 00:37:02,621
so Bill Jacobson
decided to investigate
724
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:07,626
the many clues that Dorothy
had come up with on his own.
725
00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:10,929
BILL JACOBSON: It was an
abandoned car, the letters
726
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:17,703
M-A-R, smell of oil, two
sets of dual church steeples,
727
00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:20,506
dual smokestacks,
swamps, marshes.
728
00:37:23,509 --> 00:37:26,412
We searched the vast
amount of Staten Island.
729
00:37:26,512 --> 00:37:30,181
And the confusion of it
is that you don't know
730
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:34,185
distance and time, and you can't
tell past, present, and future.
731
00:37:38,324 --> 00:37:43,395
Eventually, we got into a
place that is called Downback.
732
00:37:43,495 --> 00:37:47,165
In this area is an
abandoned shipyard
733
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:49,968
that was apparently
active in World War I,
734
00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,338
and we found a rock.
735
00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:55,741
And on this rock were painted,
in red letters, the letters
736
00:37:55,841 --> 00:38:15,727
M-A-R. All the clues that
she had given me helped me
737
00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:20,432
by way of getting me
to the area of ground
738
00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:22,100
where Susan was
eventually found.
739
00:38:25,837 --> 00:38:29,307
When I saw the M-A-R,
I was astounded.
740
00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:33,244
And I felt it had
to be the area.
741
00:38:33,345 --> 00:38:34,813
Have to call Dorothy.
742
00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,181
Have to get her over here.
743
00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:38,384
Have to show her what I found.
744
00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:42,588
When Dorothy saw the M-A-R on
a rock, she said, this is it.
745
00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,322
This is where your daughter is.
746
00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:46,091
Now we need the cops.
747
00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:50,028
We need the dogs.
748
00:38:50,128 --> 00:38:51,430
We need the bloodhounds.
749
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:54,633
We need to drag through
the swamps and the marshes.
750
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:56,968
But we had none of that.
751
00:38:57,068 --> 00:39:00,906
We searched as much as
we could by ourselves.
752
00:39:01,006 --> 00:39:03,975
We felt that we had
done a good search.
753
00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,444
Unfortunately, we never
found my daughter.
754
00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,823
ROBERT STACK: 22 months
later, three boys
755
00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:20,492
were out muskrat hunting
in the precise area
756
00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:22,794
where Bill had
searched, just 100
757
00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:25,531
yards from the M-A-R letters.
758
00:39:25,631 --> 00:39:27,933
They discovered the
remains of Susan Jacobson,
759
00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:30,201
concealed in two oil drums.
760
00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:35,674
BILL JACOBSON: From the
place where Susan was found,
761
00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:39,411
you could see-- almost
all at the same time--
762
00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:43,381
dual church steeples, the
smokestacks, the abandoned car,
763
00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:49,187
the rock with the letters M-A-R.
Susan was found in an oil drum,
764
00:39:49,287 --> 00:39:51,256
which is a smell of oil.
765
00:39:51,356 --> 00:39:55,026
And Dorothy had also said
that Susan was in water,
766
00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:55,927
but she didn't drown.
767
00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,466
ROBERT STACK: The autopsy
revealed that Susan had been
768
00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:03,034
strangled and her body
dumped at the bottom
769
00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:06,237
of the water-filled hole.
770
00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:09,374
Dempsey Hawkins,
Susan's boyfriend,
771
00:40:09,475 --> 00:40:12,177
was arrested, tried, and
convicted of her murder.
772
00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,316
ELLEN JACOBSON: Dorothy knew
that my daughter was murdered.
773
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:21,019
She admitted to us, maybe nine
months after my daughter's
774
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,055
disappearance, to the fact
that who did the murder,
775
00:40:24,155 --> 00:40:26,958
she named the person to us.
776
00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:31,630
And everything that she said--
she said how she was murdered
777
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:34,299
and where-- and what
Dorothy said came true.
778
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,473
In the three
cases we have seen,
779
00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:44,175
Dorothy's success
has been astonishing.
780
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:45,443
But keep in mind
that over the years,
781
00:40:45,544 --> 00:40:47,679
Dorothy has worked on
hundreds of investigations
782
00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,315
And in many, she was unable
to come up with information
783
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:52,217
that helped the authorities.
784
00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,720
In a moment, we'll follow
Dorothy on a current murder
785
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:58,023
investigation to see
exactly what she does
786
00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:01,326
and how she does it.
787
00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:04,295
Last March, we looked for a case
where we could examine Dorothy
788
00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:06,464
Allison's psychic gifts.
789
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:08,433
We found a homicide in
Hagerstown, Maryland,
790
00:41:08,534 --> 00:41:10,468
where the police
are at a dead end.
791
00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:13,572
They agreed we could ask Dorothy
to assist on the case and film
792
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:16,274
the investigation
as it happened.
793
00:41:16,374 --> 00:41:18,309
As you'll see, Dorothy
came up with the name
794
00:41:18,409 --> 00:41:20,145
of a possible suspect.
795
00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:23,982
But for legal reasons, we have
chosen to disguise this name.
796
00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:26,652
We gave Dorothy absolutely
no information on the case.
797
00:41:26,752 --> 00:41:28,854
She didn't know the name
of the victim or the state
798
00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:30,055
where it happened.
799
00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,823
She didn't even know
it was a murder case.
800
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:39,831
Dorothy was contacted by
Sergeant Keith Wattenschaidt
801
00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:42,568
of the Maryland State
Police, who was in charge
802
00:41:42,668 --> 00:41:43,802
of the ongoing investigation.
803
00:41:43,902 --> 00:41:44,936
DOROTHY ALLISON
(ON PHONE): Hello?
804
00:41:45,036 --> 00:41:46,104
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT (ON
PHONE): Mrs. Allison?
805
00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:47,205
Yes.
806
00:41:47,305 --> 00:41:48,106
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT (ON
PHONE): How are you?
807
00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:49,374
Fine, thank you.
How are you?
808
00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:51,276
ROBERT STACK: Knowing absolutely
nothing about the case,
809
00:41:51,376 --> 00:41:53,011
Dorothy drew up a list
of clues the night
810
00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,681
before Detective
Wattenschaidt's call
811
00:41:55,781 --> 00:41:58,083
and then dictated the list
in several conversations
812
00:41:58,183 --> 00:41:59,150
the next day.
813
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,552
DOROTHY ALLISON (ON
PHONE): What we should
814
00:42:00,652 --> 00:42:02,588
do is be looking for
a janitor in a school,
815
00:42:02,688 --> 00:42:05,757
somebody that worked
in school as a janitor.
816
00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:10,596
I feel this was some kind of
kidnap, abduction of some kind
817
00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:12,698
or something like that.
818
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:15,366
I also feel that I'm
dealing with a suspect
819
00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:19,537
who has suicidal tendencies and
something wrong with the feet.
820
00:42:19,638 --> 00:42:22,307
The numbers one and seven
were very important.
821
00:42:22,407 --> 00:42:27,078
Whether it's 71 or 17,
I don't know just yet.
822
00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:28,647
ROBERT STACK: The clues
were random images that
823
00:42:28,747 --> 00:42:30,816
might relate to the
victim, the murder,
824
00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:32,618
friends, or even the police.
825
00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:34,552
DOROTHY ALLISON (ON
PHONE): I feel also
826
00:42:34,653 --> 00:42:39,090
that this person wears
glasses and sometimes a wig
827
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:40,859
to look different.
828
00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:41,960
A wig?
829
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:43,028
DOROTHY ALLISON (ON PHONE): Yes.
830
00:42:43,128 --> 00:42:44,195
Uh-huh.
831
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,765
When I was talking to
Dorothy on the telephone,
832
00:42:46,865 --> 00:42:48,767
she mentioned about
a police officer,
833
00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:52,804
possibly in disguise, wearing a
beard that he now doesn't have
834
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:56,608
and a wig or hairpiece
of that nature.
835
00:42:56,708 --> 00:42:59,611
That kind of keyed upon me,
because I'm a policeman.
836
00:42:59,711 --> 00:43:01,012
I don't feel I'm in disguise.
837
00:43:01,112 --> 00:43:04,349
But I am in plainclothes.
838
00:43:04,449 --> 00:43:05,550
I wear a hairpiece.
839
00:43:05,651 --> 00:43:07,953
And I just took a
beard off two days ago.
840
00:43:08,053 --> 00:43:09,387
I was on vacation.
841
00:43:09,487 --> 00:43:13,191
And she could have been keying
in on me, which is possible.
842
00:43:18,563 --> 00:43:19,865
ROBERT STACK: Dorothy
flew to Hagerstown
843
00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:23,669
with her husband, Bob, to meet
with Detective Wattenschaidt.
844
00:43:23,769 --> 00:43:25,737
Immediately after
they landed, Dorothy
845
00:43:25,837 --> 00:43:27,172
had a name for the authorities.
846
00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:28,073
DOROTHY ALLISON: I've got--
847
00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:29,574
Mrs. Allison, how are you?
848
00:43:29,675 --> 00:43:30,776
DOROTHY ALLISON: How are you?
849
00:43:30,876 --> 00:43:31,977
I'm Sergeant Wattenschaidt.
of the state police.
850
00:43:32,077 --> 00:43:33,645
- I know.
- How was your flight?
851
00:43:33,745 --> 00:43:34,612
Great.
852
00:43:34,713 --> 00:43:35,947
Listen, I wrote
some notes for you.
853
00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:37,015
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Did you
come up with anything else?
854
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,116
Yeah, well, I have
a name here for you.
855
00:43:38,216 --> 00:43:38,884
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT:
Beautiful, beautiful.
856
00:43:38,984 --> 00:43:39,985
OK.
857
00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:41,286
And I also have some
other things that I got.
858
00:43:41,386 --> 00:43:42,921
It's kind of scribbled.
859
00:43:43,021 --> 00:43:45,223
But there's a name for you, OK?
860
00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:47,558
It's either-- Chuck
is a nickname.
861
00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:50,395
And then it's either Bernstein
or Goldstein-- the last name.
862
00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:51,596
Uh-huh, the last name.
863
00:43:51,697 --> 00:43:53,198
When it comes to psychics,
if you looked at them
864
00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:56,101
in a general sense, I
would tell you I think
865
00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:57,635
they're a bunch of baloney.
866
00:43:57,736 --> 00:44:00,605
But I'm keeping an open mind
towards Dorothy Allison,
867
00:44:00,706 --> 00:44:04,743
because I want to solve
this case very badly.
868
00:44:04,843 --> 00:44:06,177
ROBERT STACK: For
four years, police
869
00:44:06,277 --> 00:44:08,947
have been unable to solve
the case of Lori Zimmerman,
870
00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:12,217
a 15-year-old schoolgirl,
who, in April 1984,
871
00:44:12,317 --> 00:44:16,788
left her aunt's house
and simply disappeared.
872
00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:20,091
Eight days later, Lori's
partially naked body was found
873
00:44:20,191 --> 00:44:22,894
in the forest 12 miles away.
874
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:25,931
She had been beaten
and suffocated.
875
00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:30,468
The coroner found a foreign
object lodged in her throat .
876
00:44:30,568 --> 00:44:33,471
DOROTHY ALLISON: I feel that
she was in front of a library
877
00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:36,307
when she met these two
brothers or two cousins
878
00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:39,911
or twin friends of hers right
from her own neighborhood.
879
00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:41,046
She did meet somebody there.
880
00:44:41,146 --> 00:44:43,081
Their name could be [bleep].
881
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:45,083
ROBERT STACK: Within minutes
of leaving the airport,
882
00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:47,986
more thoughts and images
flooded Dorothy's mind.
883
00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:49,187
DOROTHY ALLISON: I
feel that she had
884
00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:53,091
been raped and then murdered.
885
00:44:53,191 --> 00:44:54,292
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh.
886
00:44:54,392 --> 00:44:56,795
I know that if I had to
see her, I don't know why,
887
00:44:56,895 --> 00:44:58,063
but I get a feeling
she has something
888
00:44:58,163 --> 00:44:59,898
the matter with her head,
as though somebody hit her
889
00:44:59,998 --> 00:45:02,667
with something near her head.
890
00:45:02,768 --> 00:45:05,370
I'm getting something
on the head.
891
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:07,505
MAN: Her jaw was
broke in two places.
892
00:45:07,605 --> 00:45:11,109
But that, of course,
wasn't the cause of death.
893
00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:12,878
I get more of a
suffocation feeling.
894
00:45:12,978 --> 00:45:13,779
I know I can't breathe.
895
00:45:13,879 --> 00:45:15,080
There's something hot.
896
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,715
Whatever it is, I feel a lot
of heat around this girl.
897
00:45:17,816 --> 00:45:18,616
Tremendous amounts of heat.
898
00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,689
No, I think I'm
getting a feeling
899
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:28,559
of what actually-- There's a
choking going on in her throat,
900
00:45:28,659 --> 00:45:29,460
too.
901
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,395
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh.
902
00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:32,597
She's choking on something.
903
00:45:32,697 --> 00:45:39,737
And this is during the attack,
you know, that she is choking.
904
00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:41,339
I think you know what I'm
getting at, don't you?
905
00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:44,475
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Not
as a force on the throat,
906
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:45,977
but it's more of a
choking technique.
907
00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:47,178
Exactly.
908
00:45:47,278 --> 00:45:50,181
As though you were gurgling
on something, right?
909
00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:52,583
That type of
situation, I'm getting.
910
00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:53,852
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT:
There's no way
911
00:45:53,952 --> 00:45:56,754
that Dorothy Allison would
have known about an object
912
00:45:56,855 --> 00:45:59,891
being in the victim's throat.
913
00:45:59,991 --> 00:46:02,127
She related that it
didn't seem to her
914
00:46:02,227 --> 00:46:04,495
to be a choking of the
hands around a throat,
915
00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:07,966
but as a choking of
some type of object down
916
00:46:08,066 --> 00:46:09,167
inside the victim's throat.
917
00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:11,803
And I was very surprised
that she keyed in on this,
918
00:46:11,903 --> 00:46:15,473
because this is a point
in the investigation
919
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,375
that we did not make public.
920
00:46:17,475 --> 00:46:21,112
She definitely, absolutely
walked down the street.
921
00:46:21,212 --> 00:46:23,381
And she goes as
far as the library.
922
00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:26,284
And then she is picked
up in this yellow car
923
00:46:26,384 --> 00:46:27,652
that I described to
you-- a real old car.
924
00:46:27,752 --> 00:46:28,786
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh.
925
00:46:28,887 --> 00:46:30,355
Well, here's the library
right here on the left.
926
00:46:30,455 --> 00:46:32,557
ROBERT STACK: After 24
hours in Hagerstown,
927
00:46:32,657 --> 00:46:33,859
Dorothy had come
up with literally
928
00:46:33,959 --> 00:46:36,194
dozens of possible clues.
929
00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:38,796
Many seemed unrelated
to the case.
930
00:46:38,897 --> 00:46:41,699
Others would seem misdirected--
Keith Wattenschaidt's
931
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,534
hairpiece, for instance.
932
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:45,971
And the janitor Dorothy
mentioned may have been Lori's
933
00:46:46,071 --> 00:46:48,739
stepfather-- not a suspect.
934
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,609
The individual she named at
the airport-- Chuck Goldstein
935
00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:54,980
or Bernstein-- is
also not a suspect,
936
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,884
though, according to Dorothy,
he may have some information.
937
00:46:58,984 --> 00:47:03,254
But some of Dorothy's clues did
seem connected to the crime.
938
00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:06,357
For example, Dorothy had seen
the numbers one and seven.
939
00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:08,459
She learned that Lori
had been laid to rest
940
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,797
at the cemetery in plot 17.
941
00:47:12,898 --> 00:47:14,900
Dorothy had mentioned
the name Cleveland.
942
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,436
The last street sign before the
crime scene was at a turnoff
943
00:47:18,536 --> 00:47:20,171
called Cleveland Town Road.
944
00:47:23,041 --> 00:47:26,011
Dorothy had talked
about an old church.
945
00:47:26,111 --> 00:47:28,179
Half a mile from where
the body was found,
946
00:47:28,279 --> 00:47:32,517
there was indeed an old church.
947
00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:34,886
All these clues might
be coincidences,
948
00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:38,423
but they might also be part of
a mosaic that, once assembled,
949
00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:41,292
will create a picture of what
happened to Lori Zimmerman.
950
00:47:41,392 --> 00:47:43,895
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: The
people who found the body--
951
00:47:43,995 --> 00:47:44,795
they were coming back--
952
00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:46,064
ROBERT STACK: At
the crime scene,
953
00:47:46,164 --> 00:47:47,765
Dorothy experienced
the strongest
954
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,236
sensation that she'd felt
during the entire investigation.
955
00:47:51,336 --> 00:47:53,404
But as far as
that name [bleep],
956
00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:55,440
I feel that-- I feel
him stronger than
957
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:57,642
anybody right now in this area.
958
00:47:57,742 --> 00:48:01,412
I feel that he's the one
who took the girl here.
959
00:48:01,512 --> 00:48:02,948
And the reason he
murdered her was
960
00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:05,483
because she was
reluctant to let him
961
00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,285
do whatever he wanted to do.
962
00:48:07,385 --> 00:48:10,421
So she screamed out
loud, and he panicked.
963
00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:13,524
And I believe that he hit
her on the head-- you know,
964
00:48:13,624 --> 00:48:14,559
the head area.
965
00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:17,562
I believe that he
killed her that way.
966
00:48:17,662 --> 00:48:19,197
But I do believe that
[bleep] is the man
967
00:48:19,297 --> 00:48:21,266
that murdered this girl.
968
00:48:21,366 --> 00:48:24,435
And I think you should
start looking for him.
969
00:48:24,535 --> 00:48:25,603
KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: OK.
970
00:48:25,703 --> 00:48:28,039
In fact, I'd be positive
that he is the one.
971
00:48:31,876 --> 00:48:33,178
Detective
Wattenschaidt has run
972
00:48:33,278 --> 00:48:35,413
the name that Dorothy mentioned
through the police computers.
973
00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:38,883
But there are no known
suspects by that name.
974
00:48:38,984 --> 00:48:41,953
In total, she came up
with 50 different clues.
975
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:43,388
Only when the crime
is solved will
976
00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:45,056
we know how many of
Dorothy's visions
977
00:48:45,156 --> 00:48:48,559
are really connected to the
murder of Lori Zimmerman.
978
00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:51,796
[theme music]
979
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,834
For every mystery,
there is someone
980
00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:59,137
somewhere who knows the truth.
981
00:48:59,237 --> 00:49:01,039
Perhaps that
someone is watching.
982
00:49:01,139 --> 00:49:01,939
Perhaps it's you.
983
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,276
[theme music]
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