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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,308 NARRATOR: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,408 --> 00:00:09,443 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:12,880 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:15,483 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,788 --> 00:00:22,756 ROBERT STACK: In September of 1979, 7 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:26,194 19-year-old Micki West vanished without a trace. 8 00:00:26,294 --> 00:00:28,229 Exactly seven years later, a note 9 00:00:28,329 --> 00:00:29,997 was found from someone who claimed to have 10 00:00:30,098 --> 00:00:31,665 witnessed Micki's murder. 11 00:00:31,765 --> 00:00:34,902 But his identity remains unknown. 12 00:00:35,002 --> 00:00:38,939 Between 1890 and 1920, thousands of homeless children 13 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:42,310 rode orphan trains to new families in the Midwest. 14 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:44,278 Today, many want to find the brothers 15 00:00:44,378 --> 00:00:46,180 and sisters they never knew. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,918 In 1967, a five-year-old boy fell into a rain-swollen creek 17 00:00:51,018 --> 00:00:53,754 in Nutley, New Jersey. 18 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:56,190 Two months later, his body was found 19 00:00:56,290 --> 00:00:59,827 in the river three miles away. 20 00:00:59,927 --> 00:01:03,997 In 1974, a New York banker boarded a commuter train 21 00:01:04,098 --> 00:01:06,334 to take him home to New Jersey. 22 00:01:06,434 --> 00:01:09,470 During the train ride, he vanished. 23 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:11,905 Two months later, his body was found 24 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:15,476 on the bank of a nearby river. 25 00:01:15,576 --> 00:01:19,046 In 1976, a 14-year-old schoolgirl 26 00:01:19,147 --> 00:01:22,916 left her home on Staten Island to look for a summer job. 27 00:01:23,016 --> 00:01:26,954 That afternoon, she disappeared. 28 00:01:27,054 --> 00:01:30,658 Two years later, her body was found in an abandoned shipyard. 29 00:01:33,761 --> 00:01:37,731 What links these cases together is Dorothy Allison, a housewife 30 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:39,700 from Nutley, New Jersey. 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,803 She predicted where all three bodies would be found, what 32 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:46,474 happened to the victims, and, remarkably, in two cases, 33 00:01:46,574 --> 00:01:49,277 predicted when they would be discovered. 34 00:01:49,377 --> 00:01:51,145 Dorothy Allison and the authorities 35 00:01:51,245 --> 00:01:55,749 with whom she has worked claim she has psychic powers. 36 00:01:55,849 --> 00:01:59,019 In my lifetime, this is the most amazing thing that ever 37 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:02,890 happened to me-- to see the ultimate results of everything 38 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:04,458 that she had said. 39 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:09,530 It's as though I turned on a TV station and got a picture. 40 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:12,099 And this is what I get when I get a vision of something 41 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,768 or a place or a person or anything. 42 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:18,939 It's as though you're turning on-- tuning in on a TV set. 43 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:20,908 Dorothy Allison is called almost daily 44 00:02:21,008 --> 00:02:22,643 by police detectives. 45 00:02:22,743 --> 00:02:24,512 And although she's never paid for her work, 46 00:02:24,612 --> 00:02:27,448 she's been asked to help in hundreds of investigations. 47 00:02:27,548 --> 00:02:29,550 In the next hour, we'll follow Dorothy Allison 48 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:31,652 on a current murder investigation 49 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:34,488 and explore two other unsolved mysteries. 50 00:02:34,588 --> 00:02:36,023 I'll also tell you how our viewers 51 00:02:36,123 --> 00:02:39,593 helped capture a murder suspect and his teenage girlfriend. 52 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:40,794 Join me. 53 00:02:40,894 --> 00:02:42,496 You may be able to help solve a mystery. 54 00:02:42,596 --> 00:02:45,966 [theme music] 55 00:03:33,281 --> 00:03:35,783 On the morning of September 11, 1979, 56 00:03:35,883 --> 00:03:38,719 in the small town of St. Joseph, Missouri, 57 00:03:38,819 --> 00:03:41,188 a young woman named Micki Jo West left for work. 58 00:03:43,857 --> 00:03:48,562 She was never seen again Her friends 59 00:03:48,662 --> 00:03:50,764 and family suspect foul play. 60 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:52,466 But her body has never been found. 61 00:03:55,803 --> 00:03:58,672 I think I know what happened to Micki. 62 00:03:58,772 --> 00:04:00,841 I think I know who did it. 63 00:04:00,941 --> 00:04:03,043 And I think I know why they did it. 64 00:04:03,143 --> 00:04:04,678 We have a suspect that we established the day 65 00:04:04,778 --> 00:04:06,447 after the disappearance. 66 00:04:06,547 --> 00:04:07,848 We've talked to him several times. 67 00:04:07,948 --> 00:04:08,982 We know where he lives now. 68 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:11,084 We know where we can reach him. 69 00:04:11,184 --> 00:04:14,021 We just simply have no evidence against him at this point. 70 00:04:14,121 --> 00:04:17,525 I believe that this person who's described 71 00:04:17,625 --> 00:04:20,294 as a number one suspect-- I believe that he abducted her. 72 00:04:20,394 --> 00:04:22,696 And within two or three hours of that time, 73 00:04:22,796 --> 00:04:25,833 I believe he killed her. 74 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:27,401 ROBERT STACK: At the time of her disappearance, 75 00:04:27,501 --> 00:04:30,070 Micki Jo West was 19 years old. 76 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:32,039 She was an outgoing, friendly girl, 77 00:04:32,139 --> 00:04:36,276 who worked as a nurse's aide at the St. Joseph State Hospital. 78 00:04:36,377 --> 00:04:37,445 She was funny. 79 00:04:37,545 --> 00:04:40,648 She could make a bad situation into a good one. 80 00:04:40,748 --> 00:04:44,785 When I had bad days, and I was at my worst end, she'd come in. 81 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:46,620 And everything would be all right, because she'd 82 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,189 say something funny. 83 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:50,591 ROBERT STACK: Micki became involved 84 00:04:50,691 --> 00:04:53,794 in the bitter marital dispute of a friend of hers-- perhaps 85 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:55,429 too involved. 86 00:04:55,529 --> 00:04:57,898 She began to receive threats. 87 00:04:57,998 --> 00:05:02,269 The last time I talked to Micki on the phone, 88 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:03,737 she was scared. 89 00:05:03,837 --> 00:05:04,872 She was afraid for her life. 90 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:06,106 So she told me she was going to carry 91 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:09,109 a hammer to work with her. 92 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:12,079 That next morning, she got up and left her house 93 00:05:12,179 --> 00:05:14,948 and was on her way to the bus stop. 94 00:05:15,048 --> 00:05:18,419 And that was the last that anyone ever heard from her. 95 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:22,423 At this point, the only case we have is a missing person. 96 00:05:22,523 --> 00:05:23,323 We have no crime. 97 00:05:23,424 --> 00:05:24,392 We have a missing person. 98 00:05:24,492 --> 00:05:27,861 We have no body to establish a murder case. 99 00:05:27,961 --> 00:05:33,434 Without a body, we cannot convict anyone of murder. 100 00:05:33,534 --> 00:05:35,869 We have evidence that there were threats made to Micki, 101 00:05:35,969 --> 00:05:38,138 that she was followed by this person, 102 00:05:38,238 --> 00:05:42,743 that he had a motive to do this, that he could have done this. 103 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:44,311 We just need the body. 104 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:53,587 ROBERT STACK: For seven years, no new evidence was found. 105 00:05:53,687 --> 00:05:56,957 Then, in 1986, a delivery man at a Kansas City 106 00:05:57,057 --> 00:06:00,494 shopping mall 75 miles from where she disappeared 107 00:06:00,594 --> 00:06:01,795 found a letter. 108 00:06:01,895 --> 00:06:04,465 It was addressed to the St. Joseph police. 109 00:06:04,565 --> 00:06:07,768 He opened it and read, "I need your help. 110 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,137 I was with--" and here, we cannot mention 111 00:06:10,237 --> 00:06:12,072 the person's name-- "when he killed 112 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:14,542 Micki Jo West and hid the body. 113 00:06:14,642 --> 00:06:16,477 I can kill myself now. 114 00:06:16,577 --> 00:06:18,011 Please help." 115 00:06:18,111 --> 00:06:19,146 This letter was unsigned. 116 00:06:22,916 --> 00:06:26,620 TIMOTHY SCHWEDER: About a month later, on October 2nd, 117 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,689 another note is found in the same mall. 118 00:06:28,789 --> 00:06:30,424 A security guard who worked in the mall 119 00:06:30,524 --> 00:06:32,760 found this note in a hallway there. 120 00:06:32,860 --> 00:06:35,696 It was obviously the same envelope, the same paper. 121 00:06:35,796 --> 00:06:36,830 Obviously, it was the same person. 122 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:38,699 It had the same message on it. 123 00:06:38,799 --> 00:06:40,834 And it, too, was delivered to the police in Overland Park 124 00:06:40,934 --> 00:06:43,303 and then eventually to our department. 125 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:47,207 Both of the notes named the man who has been 126 00:06:47,307 --> 00:06:49,710 and is now the prime suspect. 127 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:51,945 The author in these notes said that he was with the person who 128 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:55,483 had killed her, that he did not kill her himself, 129 00:06:55,583 --> 00:06:58,251 that he could not stand this knowledge that he had, 130 00:06:58,351 --> 00:06:59,753 and that he needed help. 131 00:06:59,853 --> 00:07:01,088 They were both inside. 132 00:07:01,188 --> 00:07:03,423 And so far, we have not come up with any solid leads 133 00:07:03,524 --> 00:07:04,558 as to who the author is. 134 00:07:08,462 --> 00:07:11,499 ROBERT STACK: Seven weeks later, three more letters were found, 135 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:15,268 this time in St. Joseph-- the town where Micki was last seen. 136 00:07:15,368 --> 00:07:18,305 The first of these was discovered in a shopping mall. 137 00:07:18,405 --> 00:07:23,176 The same day, another was found at a local truck stop. 138 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:26,379 Then, a janitor found another letter in the same St. 139 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,382 Joseph shopping mall. 140 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:31,719 After the three notes were found in St. Joseph, 141 00:07:31,819 --> 00:07:34,788 we had a total of five notes-- all established to be from 142 00:07:34,888 --> 00:07:36,990 the same author, all saying the same message, 143 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:40,861 naming the same suspect, but getting us no closer to making 144 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,796 the case or proving the case against this 145 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:44,632 person than we were before. 146 00:07:44,732 --> 00:07:47,167 We've explored the possibility that the notes are a hoax. 147 00:07:47,267 --> 00:07:50,303 But we believe they're genuine because of the details that he 148 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:52,873 has given us about the crime, because of the way 149 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:57,511 they are written, because of the feelings that they express. 150 00:07:57,611 --> 00:07:59,046 They just seem realistic. 151 00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:04,852 When we examined these letters, it was obvious to us 152 00:08:04,952 --> 00:08:07,821 that the person who wrote them was intimidated by the person 153 00:08:07,921 --> 00:08:09,489 who killed Micki Jo. 154 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:11,058 These weren't letters written by a stranger. 155 00:08:11,158 --> 00:08:12,693 They were written by someone who was personally 156 00:08:12,793 --> 00:08:14,294 acquainted with the victim. 157 00:08:14,394 --> 00:08:16,897 There are deep-seated feelings of guilt-- 158 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:19,733 not guilt because the writer was personally 159 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:21,969 responsible for having killed Micki, 160 00:08:22,069 --> 00:08:24,437 but because he was present when it happened 161 00:08:24,538 --> 00:08:28,275 and wasn't able to stop it. 162 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:30,911 ROBERT STACK: On January 13, 1988, 163 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:33,480 nine years after Micki's disappearance, 164 00:08:33,581 --> 00:08:36,850 another letter turned up at a Kansas City Mall theater. 165 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:39,553 It was addressed to the police and a local TV station. 166 00:08:44,057 --> 00:08:46,727 Eight months later, a reporter for the TV station, 167 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:48,528 Thurman Mitchell, received a letter 168 00:08:48,629 --> 00:08:50,063 addressed to him personally. 169 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:53,801 TIMOTHY SCHWEDER: In this letter, 170 00:08:53,901 --> 00:08:56,770 the author said that if Thurman would come alone, 171 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,873 he would show him where Micki Jo West is. 172 00:08:59,973 --> 00:09:02,643 He said that he did not want the reward, 173 00:09:02,743 --> 00:09:04,077 that he was not interested in the reward. 174 00:09:04,177 --> 00:09:06,714 He said that he was not himself involved in the crime, 175 00:09:06,814 --> 00:09:08,215 but that he needed help again. 176 00:09:08,315 --> 00:09:09,950 THURMAN MITCHELL (ON TV): Because this latest letter 177 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:11,351 was mailed to the station-- 178 00:09:11,451 --> 00:09:13,153 TIMOTHY SCHWEDER: In response to this letter that Mr. Mitchell 179 00:09:13,253 --> 00:09:15,989 received, he did a news story asking 180 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:17,825 this person to come forward and contact him personally. 181 00:09:17,925 --> 00:09:19,526 THURMAN MITCHELL (ON TV): --about Micki Jo's death. 182 00:09:19,627 --> 00:09:21,595 We're asking that witness to call the telephone number 183 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:23,530 on the screen and talk to us. 184 00:09:23,631 --> 00:09:24,865 And we'll pass that information on-- 185 00:09:24,965 --> 00:09:27,668 ROBERT STACK: An on-air appeal proved unsuccessful. 186 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:30,771 Today, the letter writer remains anonymous. 187 00:09:30,871 --> 00:09:33,907 The case of Micki Jo West is still unsolved. 188 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:37,377 The author of these notes is the most important witness 189 00:09:37,477 --> 00:09:39,479 that we could have in this case. 190 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:43,316 If he knows where she is-- if he was there, 191 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:47,921 and he will testify-- he is absolutely crucial. 192 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:50,824 I would just like to ask him to come forward, 193 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:52,192 and tell us what he knows. 194 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:55,028 Or if he doesn't want to come forward, write us a letter, 195 00:09:55,128 --> 00:09:57,698 and tell us where she is in the letter. 196 00:09:57,798 --> 00:10:00,267 Or give us a phone call. 197 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,636 Come forward in some way. 198 00:10:02,736 --> 00:10:05,305 We miss Micki. 199 00:10:05,405 --> 00:10:08,141 And it's been nine years. 200 00:10:08,241 --> 00:10:09,943 And we just want to know what happened to her. 201 00:10:10,043 --> 00:10:13,280 [music playing] 202 00:10:20,854 --> 00:10:23,256 [theme music] 203 00:10:26,860 --> 00:10:28,328 ROBERT STACK: Last month, we broadcast a story 204 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:30,964 about Dave Davis from Pittsford, Michigan-- a man 205 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:34,401 accused of murdering his wife. 206 00:10:34,501 --> 00:10:37,905 On July the 23rd, 1980, Davis and his wife Shannon 207 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:41,608 were horseback riding on their farm 80 miles outside Detroit. 208 00:10:41,709 --> 00:10:44,577 Davis claims that Shannon lost control of her horse, 209 00:10:44,678 --> 00:10:48,148 fell, and struck her head. 210 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:50,417 She was rushed to the hospital, but doctors 211 00:10:50,517 --> 00:10:51,919 pronounced her dead on arrival. 212 00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:57,791 After a few days, Shannon's parents 213 00:10:57,891 --> 00:11:00,327 found out that Davis had taken out six large life 214 00:11:00,427 --> 00:11:02,662 insurance policies on Shannon. 215 00:11:02,763 --> 00:11:04,932 They had their daughter's body exhumed. 216 00:11:05,032 --> 00:11:07,935 The results showed traces of an animal tranquilizer, 217 00:11:08,035 --> 00:11:10,738 as well as two injection marks-- one on her wrist, 218 00:11:10,838 --> 00:11:13,173 and one on her shoulder. 219 00:11:13,273 --> 00:11:15,075 Police found out that Davis had indeed 220 00:11:15,175 --> 00:11:17,377 had access to the animal tranquilizer 221 00:11:17,477 --> 00:11:19,847 through a deer hunting group. 222 00:11:19,947 --> 00:11:22,382 Just as his arrest seemed imminent, Davis fled. 223 00:11:22,482 --> 00:11:27,154 He had not been seen since October the 13th, 1981. 224 00:11:27,254 --> 00:11:30,891 FBI and different ones had said, don't discount the fact 225 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:32,960 that he may already be dead. 226 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:36,964 But we felt like, no, he's out there someplace. 227 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:39,532 He was a rugged outdoors individual. 228 00:11:39,632 --> 00:11:41,735 He was a survivor. 229 00:11:46,473 --> 00:11:49,176 ROBERT STACK: We broadcast Davis's story twice. 230 00:11:49,276 --> 00:11:51,311 Within days of our second broadcast, 231 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,413 Dave Davis was captured. 232 00:11:53,513 --> 00:11:56,817 A viewer identified him as a man named Davis Myer Bell, who 233 00:11:56,917 --> 00:12:00,053 was living on the tiny island chain of American Samoa, 234 00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:02,555 2,000 miles south of Hawaii. 235 00:12:02,655 --> 00:12:06,659 Davis, alias Bell, was arrested three days later. 236 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,862 REPORTER: Any comment on the charges against you, Mr. Davis? 237 00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:10,831 I didn't do it. 238 00:12:10,931 --> 00:12:12,299 REPORTER: Police say your wife was poisoned. 239 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:13,733 I didn't do it. 240 00:12:18,638 --> 00:12:20,240 ROBERT STACK: Police learned that four years ago, 241 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:22,142 Davis had fled to American Samoa, 242 00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:24,077 where he lived in this house. 243 00:12:24,177 --> 00:12:27,647 Before that, he had lived in Florida, Haiti, and Alaska, 244 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:29,983 among other places. 245 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:33,120 Two years ago, he married a 20-year-old Samoan woman. 246 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:38,191 He told her that his first wife had died in a tragic accident. 247 00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:41,294 In American Samoa, Davis obtained a job as a pilot 248 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:43,463 for a small commercial airline. 249 00:12:43,563 --> 00:12:48,301 He was apprehended on his way to work at the airport. 250 00:12:48,401 --> 00:12:51,204 Davis was extradited to Honolulu, Hawaii. 251 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:54,241 He admitted his identity and voluntarily agreed to return 252 00:12:54,341 --> 00:12:56,309 to Michigan to stand trial. 253 00:12:56,409 --> 00:12:58,378 In return, federal authorities dropped 254 00:12:58,478 --> 00:13:00,413 charges of unlawful flight. 255 00:13:00,513 --> 00:13:03,851 [music playing] 256 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:11,191 [theme music] 257 00:13:15,228 --> 00:13:17,797 Around the turn of the century, the streets of New York City 258 00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:19,933 were filled with starving immigrant children who 259 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:23,603 had no one to care for them. 260 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:26,940 The city orphanages overflowed. 261 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,708 School classes and afternoon naps 262 00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,544 often took place outside, even in the bitter cold. 263 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:36,616 To alleviate the crowded conditions, 264 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:38,418 the Children's Aid Society of New York 265 00:13:38,518 --> 00:13:39,987 came up with a unique plan. 266 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:46,226 They began to put orphans on trains bound 267 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:48,361 for the South and the Midwest, hoping 268 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:51,164 they would be adopted by farm families along the route. 269 00:13:56,103 --> 00:13:59,339 Between 1890 and 1929, scores of trains 270 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:04,411 carried at least 150,000 orphans into the heartland of America. 271 00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:06,179 Sadly, many of them were separated 272 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:07,680 from their brothers and sisters, whom 273 00:14:07,780 --> 00:14:09,216 they would never see again. 274 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,389 In 1910, two brothers named Algie and Johnny 275 00:14:16,489 --> 00:14:18,725 rode in an orphan train. 276 00:14:18,825 --> 00:14:20,327 Along with a group of other orphans, 277 00:14:20,427 --> 00:14:22,629 they headed for Arkansas, hoping to be adopted. 278 00:14:27,334 --> 00:14:29,869 ALGIE BRALY: When we left New York, none of us 279 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,738 knew where we was going. 280 00:14:31,838 --> 00:14:35,408 But the guy that took us knew where he was headed for. 281 00:14:35,508 --> 00:14:37,310 Fayetteville was the destination. 282 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,319 ROBERT STACK: When Algie and Johnny's train 283 00:14:46,419 --> 00:14:48,155 arrived in Fayetteville, Arkansas, 284 00:14:48,255 --> 00:14:52,192 prospective parents were waiting to look the children over. 285 00:14:52,292 --> 00:14:55,795 The brothers hoped they would be able to stay together. 286 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,065 This stop-- Fayetteville! 287 00:14:58,165 --> 00:15:00,067 ALGIE BRALY: When you stopped, why, they just 288 00:15:00,167 --> 00:15:03,870 lined us up beside the track. 289 00:15:03,971 --> 00:15:06,940 The one thing I remember, I just wondered what they was 290 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,209 going to do with me and Johnny. 291 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:14,914 I had hoped that we'd both be in some home together. 292 00:15:15,015 --> 00:15:17,784 People commence coming and look at the kids. 293 00:15:17,884 --> 00:15:20,587 Some of them took them to make farmers out of them 294 00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:23,823 or slaves out of them. 295 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,561 Some people take them 'cause they loved them. 296 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:29,896 MAN: How do you like this one? 297 00:15:29,997 --> 00:15:32,232 WOMAN: Oh, I like him. 298 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:33,166 What's your name? 299 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,201 Algie. 300 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:37,170 MAN: Algie, you're going to go with me. 301 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:39,072 ROBERT STACK: When it came time to make the decision, 302 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:41,975 the couple who took Algie only wanted one child. 303 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:48,915 ALGIE BRALY: He took me and didn't want to take Johnny. 304 00:15:49,016 --> 00:15:50,483 Well, they just pulled us apart. 305 00:15:50,583 --> 00:15:52,719 And I just tried, but I couldn't. 306 00:15:52,819 --> 00:15:56,056 But I just know they separated us. 307 00:15:56,156 --> 00:15:58,591 One fellow took Johnny, and one took me. 308 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:06,166 Finally, oh, it took me a long time. 309 00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:07,567 I got over that. 310 00:16:07,667 --> 00:16:14,607 But still, it come to my mind once in a while, where is he? 311 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:17,110 Hadn't been for the old man that raised me, 312 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:18,145 I wouldn't have found-- 313 00:16:18,245 --> 00:16:19,112 I know it. 314 00:16:19,212 --> 00:16:20,347 He took me around-- 315 00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:22,049 ROBERT STACK: Happily, Algie and Johnny, the brothers 316 00:16:22,149 --> 00:16:24,451 who were separated when they rode the orphan train, 317 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:27,187 have been reunited. 318 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:30,157 I was treated good. 319 00:16:30,257 --> 00:16:32,225 ROBERT STACK: Tonight, we will meet two other orphan train 320 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:35,295 riders, Francis Murphy and Sylvia Wemhoff, 321 00:16:35,395 --> 00:16:37,864 who have been unable to find their lost siblings. 322 00:16:40,967 --> 00:16:45,338 In 1921, Sylvia Wemhoff, whose last name then was Wolk, 323 00:16:45,438 --> 00:16:47,374 was taken out of a New York City orphanage 324 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:48,941 to ride an orphan train to Nebraska. 325 00:16:52,545 --> 00:16:55,882 Her parents were dead, and she left behind an older sibling 326 00:16:55,982 --> 00:16:58,351 about whom she knew nothing. 327 00:16:58,451 --> 00:17:00,287 Sylvie was three years old. 328 00:17:00,387 --> 00:17:01,754 And the children on her train had 329 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,857 been selected, sight unseen, by members of churches 330 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:05,758 in Columbus, Nebraska. 331 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:12,699 Sylvia was a very small child when she rode the orphan train. 332 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,767 She was taken in a bit of a different manner, 333 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:18,605 because she was spoken for ahead of time. 334 00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:21,874 On your papers, there's a name and a number. 335 00:17:21,974 --> 00:17:25,078 The number will correspond with the number here. 336 00:17:25,178 --> 00:17:26,913 MARY JOHNSON: Numbers would be sewn 337 00:17:27,013 --> 00:17:28,981 onto the children's garments with their name 338 00:17:29,082 --> 00:17:30,750 and the birth date. 339 00:17:30,850 --> 00:17:32,819 The corresponding matching parent 340 00:17:32,919 --> 00:17:35,655 that had been found and located by the foundling hospital 341 00:17:35,755 --> 00:17:38,024 would have a number corresponding to the number. 342 00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:39,392 And when they got to the train station, 343 00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:41,060 they would match the number and take the child. 344 00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:42,362 WOMAN: Are you Sylvia? 345 00:17:42,462 --> 00:17:44,131 Would you like to go home with me? 346 00:17:44,231 --> 00:17:46,233 MARY JOHNSON: And this was the way Sylvia Wemhoff was chosen. 347 00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:51,571 ROBERT STACK: Sylvia's last name was 348 00:17:51,671 --> 00:17:53,206 changed to Mick when she was adopted 349 00:17:53,306 --> 00:17:57,144 by the John Mick family. 350 00:17:57,244 --> 00:18:00,747 They had a small farm in Lindsay, Nebraska. 351 00:18:00,847 --> 00:18:03,516 And Sylvia, along with another orphan-- a boy-- 352 00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:05,051 was happily welcomed into the family. 353 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:10,657 When I was about 17, 18 years old, 354 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:15,128 and I began to question my Mother Mick whether I had 355 00:18:15,228 --> 00:18:19,799 any brothers or sisters, and if so, 356 00:18:19,899 --> 00:18:21,168 I wonder if we could ever get together. 357 00:18:24,237 --> 00:18:25,438 ROBERT STACK: After years of searching, 358 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:27,940 Sylvia located her birth certificate. 359 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,210 It showed that she was born Stephanie Wolk, 360 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:33,980 spelled W-O-L-K, and that her mother, 361 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,783 Pauline Vitovich from Austria, already had 362 00:18:36,883 --> 00:18:38,418 a child when Sylvia was born. 363 00:18:41,421 --> 00:18:43,690 Sylvie was adopted when she was three years old 364 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:45,958 and today is 70. 365 00:18:46,058 --> 00:18:48,928 She is desperately trying to locate her missing sibling, 366 00:18:49,028 --> 00:18:51,298 even though there is no way to tell whether she is looking 367 00:18:51,398 --> 00:18:52,832 for a brother or a sister. 368 00:18:57,069 --> 00:18:59,839 The day after our broadcast, Sylvia's search came to an end. 369 00:18:59,939 --> 00:19:02,342 She learned that her brother, 72-year-old Joseph Wolk, 370 00:19:02,442 --> 00:19:04,110 was living in New York City. 371 00:19:04,211 --> 00:19:05,945 Wolk's stepdaughter had seen our broadcast 372 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:09,216 and recognized the names on Sylvia's birth certificate. 373 00:19:09,316 --> 00:19:11,384 On September 25, Sylvia flew to New York 374 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:16,122 and met her brother Joseph for the first time. 375 00:19:16,223 --> 00:19:18,558 Joseph! 376 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,527 Your sister Sylvia is here. 377 00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:25,932 How are you doing? 378 00:19:26,032 --> 00:19:27,734 I'm Sylvia. 379 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:29,068 Sylvia. 380 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,102 I'm so glad. 381 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:31,037 I'm so happy. 382 00:19:31,137 --> 00:19:35,074 I'm so happy, too, to see you. 383 00:19:35,174 --> 00:19:36,976 We hugged each other. 384 00:19:37,076 --> 00:19:41,881 And we were just really thrilled and happy that we 385 00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,717 finally, finally got together. 386 00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:46,085 I had heard I had a sister. 387 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:52,425 And I was awfully pleased when I saw her and thankful-- thankful 388 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:53,760 to God. 389 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:56,796 Yes, that's me on there. 390 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:58,365 ROBERT STACK: Most brothers and sisters grow up 391 00:19:58,465 --> 00:19:59,532 sharing their lives together. 392 00:19:59,632 --> 00:20:02,435 But for Sylvia and Joseph, the love and memories 393 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:03,770 are just beginning. 394 00:20:07,106 --> 00:20:10,310 The next man we will meet is Francis Murphy. 395 00:20:10,410 --> 00:20:16,048 In 1928, when he was 11, he too rode the orphan train. 396 00:20:16,148 --> 00:20:18,084 His baby sister, Margaret, and his mother, 397 00:20:18,184 --> 00:20:21,020 who was too poor to take care of him, were both left behind. 398 00:20:24,491 --> 00:20:25,725 FRANCIS MURPHY: When I got on the train, 399 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:29,195 I didn't really feel that I was being 400 00:20:29,296 --> 00:20:31,631 wrenched away from somebody. 401 00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:33,766 I didn't know that much about my mother, 402 00:20:33,866 --> 00:20:38,237 so that it wasn't a matter of tearing me away from her, 403 00:20:38,338 --> 00:20:41,341 because I was away from her all the time anyway. 404 00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,144 It was a big adventure more than anything else. 405 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:48,247 As a kid in New York, you have to remember 406 00:20:48,348 --> 00:20:51,451 that we didn't know the West. 407 00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:53,219 And what we knew was from the picture 408 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,090 shows we saw of cowboys and Indians and maybe engineers. 409 00:20:58,190 --> 00:20:59,926 And going that direction-- well, that 410 00:21:00,026 --> 00:21:03,563 was the biggest thrill that a kid in my time 411 00:21:03,663 --> 00:21:05,097 could really expect. 412 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:15,141 ROBERT STACK: Francis's excitement 413 00:21:15,241 --> 00:21:16,476 soon turned to sadness. 414 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:18,378 [inaudible] 415 00:21:18,478 --> 00:21:21,180 Hello, I'm Camille Mitchell of the Children's Aid Society. 416 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,382 I brought your boy. 417 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:24,016 ROBERT STACK: At stop after stop, 418 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,319 potential adoptive parents would be waiting to pick 419 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:27,820 their child from the crowd. 420 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,189 But not all the children found new parents. 421 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:31,991 Can I get your signature please? 422 00:21:32,091 --> 00:21:34,226 Okay. 423 00:21:34,327 --> 00:21:36,329 ROBERT STACK: Francis, who had boarded the train in New York 424 00:21:36,429 --> 00:21:38,531 with such high hopes, began to realize 425 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:41,200 that none of the families along the train's route wanted him. 426 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:41,768 CAMILLE MITCHELL: This is your son, Luke. 427 00:21:41,868 --> 00:21:42,635 MAN: Hi, Luke. 428 00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:44,704 Welcome to our family. 429 00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:50,443 14 or 15 children that were leaving. 430 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:52,078 And you got off the train with their belongings. 431 00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:55,114 And they told me, Francis, you should stay on the train. 432 00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:56,849 MARY JOHNSON: And he would see the crowd get smaller 433 00:21:56,949 --> 00:22:00,219 and smaller until finally he was the only child left 434 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:01,788 on the train. - Bye-bye. 435 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:02,722 Bye-bye. 436 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,592 Bye! 437 00:22:05,692 --> 00:22:08,160 All aboard! 438 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:09,161 That's right, son. 439 00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:12,064 [train horn blowing] 440 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,737 ROBERT STACK: Francis never was adopted. 441 00:22:17,837 --> 00:22:20,239 He went from family to family as a foster child. 442 00:22:24,844 --> 00:22:29,449 In spite of his early hardships, Francis's life turned out well. 443 00:22:29,549 --> 00:22:32,519 He became a high school teacher, married, and had five 444 00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,387 children and six grandchildren. 445 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:40,727 Francis Murphy, who rode the orphan train 60 years ago, 446 00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:43,229 developed heart disease in 1987. 447 00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:45,598 And sadly, he died soon after we filmed 448 00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:47,667 his interview in November. 449 00:22:47,767 --> 00:22:50,537 Francis's wife and family have continued his search, 450 00:22:50,637 --> 00:22:52,839 and they asked that we present his story, despite the fact 451 00:22:52,939 --> 00:22:54,407 that he is gone. 452 00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:56,909 They hope to unite the family who still loves Francis 453 00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,412 with the family he never knew and wanted 454 00:22:59,512 --> 00:23:02,048 so desperately to find. 455 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:04,984 It was extremely important to Francis 456 00:23:05,084 --> 00:23:07,119 to go ahead with this interview. 457 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:12,324 He had been looking forward to it for literally months. 458 00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:17,730 And just the hope that he would find somebody, particularly 459 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:22,769 his sister, was important. 460 00:23:22,869 --> 00:23:28,641 He didn't know much about love growing up. 461 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:34,547 And he found out as he got older and had a family of his own. 462 00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:36,248 I think his finding Margaret would 463 00:23:36,348 --> 00:23:38,317 be an extension of that love. 464 00:23:42,021 --> 00:23:46,759 It's still very important to us that we 465 00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:48,227 finish what he tried to do. 466 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:54,867 ROBERT STACK: Francis Murphy's sister, Margaret, would 467 00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:58,237 be about 62 years old today. 468 00:23:58,337 --> 00:24:01,107 She was probably born in either Yonkers or New York City, 469 00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:03,876 and she may have been adopted. 470 00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:07,313 Francis and Margaret's mother was Hilda Harding Murphy. 471 00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:09,415 Their grandparents were John and Elizabeth 472 00:24:09,516 --> 00:24:11,584 Harding from Nova Scotia. 473 00:24:11,684 --> 00:24:13,653 Francis's father was Martin Murphy. 474 00:24:25,598 --> 00:24:28,935 [theme music] 475 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:36,976 These are affidavits from police departments around the country, 476 00:24:37,076 --> 00:24:40,547 attesting to Dorothy Allison's psychic powers. 477 00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:42,081 The use of psychics in police work 478 00:24:42,181 --> 00:24:44,517 is almost always controversial. 479 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:46,285 Frequently, they're inaccurate. 480 00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:48,755 All too often, they are charlatans. 481 00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:50,923 But there are a few who do, indeed, 482 00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:54,493 seem to have a special gift-- the unexplainable ability 483 00:24:54,594 --> 00:24:57,764 to predict details still locked in the future, 484 00:24:57,864 --> 00:25:01,267 an ability which, in itself, is an unsolved mystery. 485 00:25:07,106 --> 00:25:10,710 On December 3, 1967, five-year-old Michael 486 00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:12,745 Kurcsics and his older brother went 487 00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:15,314 out to play at around 8:15 AM. 488 00:25:15,414 --> 00:25:18,851 As they were playing, Michael lost his footing, 489 00:25:18,951 --> 00:25:21,921 fell into a churning river, was swept away, and drowned. 490 00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:31,631 Two hours before Michael's accident, at 5:56 AM, 491 00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:34,433 Dorothy Allison awoke from a horrific nightmare. 492 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:39,606 Her lucid and frightening dream predicted Michael's death. 493 00:25:39,706 --> 00:25:42,141 DOROTHY ALLISON: I saw this little boy in a pipe. 494 00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:44,043 His hands were like this in the dream. 495 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,679 They were clasped together, and they were very black. 496 00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:49,916 I didn't know why they were so black, because he was so white. 497 00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:52,685 I saw this tremendous illumination of light, 498 00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:57,724 almost as though he had been in, it seemed to me, like a vacuum. 499 00:26:01,493 --> 00:26:03,730 ROBERT STACK: For weeks, the authorities searched the river. 500 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:08,300 But there was no trace of Michael's body. 501 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,202 A month after Michael disappeared, 502 00:26:10,302 --> 00:26:12,739 Dorothy went to the police and insisted that someone 503 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:14,473 listen to her story. 504 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:20,246 I had a dream of this little boy stuck in a pipe. 505 00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:21,648 ROBERT STACK: The one brief newspaper 506 00:26:21,748 --> 00:26:25,417 article about the case did not contain a picture of Michael. 507 00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:28,320 The police were startled when Dorothy accurately described 508 00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,489 the clothes he was wearing. 509 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:33,693 DOROTHY ALLISON: He had on this green snowsuit. 510 00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:36,763 Underneath the snowsuit, he had on a polo shirt 511 00:26:36,863 --> 00:26:37,730 with the stripes. 512 00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:39,966 And underneath that, an undershirt 513 00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:42,168 with a medal pinned to it. 514 00:26:42,268 --> 00:26:45,437 And also, he had his shoes on the wrong feet. 515 00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:47,239 MAN: There was a possibility that this 516 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:48,941 could have been a hoax. 517 00:26:49,041 --> 00:26:52,945 There's always that possibility. 518 00:26:53,045 --> 00:26:55,314 When she came up with this description, 519 00:26:55,414 --> 00:26:58,150 I became overwhelmed, because I knew this boy. 520 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,086 I knew this family. 521 00:27:00,186 --> 00:27:02,554 It just got me to a point where I had to know more 522 00:27:02,655 --> 00:27:04,456 about what she was dreaming. 523 00:27:04,556 --> 00:27:07,126 Maybe there was something more that she couldn't remember now. 524 00:27:07,226 --> 00:27:09,896 Maybe just questioning her would bring more of it out. 525 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:14,967 But we were going to work with her, because she got me. 526 00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:17,169 She just got me. 527 00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:19,939 When I started to talk to Don, I kept telling him 528 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,709 that I saw the number 120, but whatever that meant, 529 00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:24,043 I don't know. 530 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,412 I also saw the number eight and didn't 531 00:27:26,512 --> 00:27:28,347 know what that meant either. 532 00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:30,817 And I kept insisting that his body would 533 00:27:30,917 --> 00:27:33,252 be found behind the school. 534 00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:34,186 I insisted on that. 535 00:27:39,926 --> 00:27:42,128 ROBERT STACK: As the search for Michael continued, 536 00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:44,596 Dorothy's clues began to mount up-- 537 00:27:44,697 --> 00:27:49,668 the number eight, the school, the parking lot behind an ITT 538 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:54,273 factory, lumber, gold lettering on a window, 539 00:27:54,373 --> 00:28:01,047 and the number 120. 540 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:04,851 MAN: She had mentioned a number 120 the very first day 541 00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,518 that we were together. 542 00:28:06,618 --> 00:28:10,256 And we thought, well, maybe it's an address. 543 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:15,161 And in the area that we were in initially, there was no 120. 544 00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:19,899 Then we thought, well, maybe would be January 20-- the month 545 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:21,333 and the day. 546 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:23,335 That came and went. 547 00:28:23,435 --> 00:28:27,273 No significance whatsoever, but that 120 kept coming up-- 548 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:30,242 and to me, especially, and I couldn't understand why. 549 00:28:30,342 --> 00:28:32,144 By now, they were starting to lose their patience. 550 00:28:32,244 --> 00:28:35,214 And Don [inaudible] says, my god, I'm trying, 551 00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:36,983 but I don't know what you're saying. 552 00:28:37,083 --> 00:28:40,319 I said, well, look, he will be found on February 7. 553 00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:41,821 And then our troubles will be over. 554 00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:44,156 You will know the story of Michael Kurcsics. 555 00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:46,893 The day the boy was found, it was 556 00:28:46,993 --> 00:28:50,062 1:20 in the afternoon of February 7 557 00:28:50,162 --> 00:28:52,531 that I was told that the baby was found. 558 00:28:59,305 --> 00:29:00,672 ROBERT STACK: The spot where Michael's body 559 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:05,377 was found coincided with several of Dorothy's clues. 560 00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:08,180 Dorothy's vision of a number eight was echoed by the fact 561 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,750 that Elementary School PS 8 stands on the riverbank nearby. 562 00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:16,956 Across the street is a lumberyard. 563 00:29:17,056 --> 00:29:19,491 Next door is an office building with gold letters 564 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:20,392 on the window. 565 00:29:23,129 --> 00:29:26,098 Directly across the river is a local ITT 566 00:29:26,198 --> 00:29:29,168 factory and its parking lot. 567 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,337 And when Michael was found, he was 568 00:29:31,437 --> 00:29:34,440 wearing exactly the same clothes that Dorothy had dreamt. 569 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:36,876 And although his galoshes were on the correct feet, 570 00:29:36,976 --> 00:29:40,279 his undershoes were indeed on the wrong feet. 571 00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,452 We backtracked. 572 00:29:46,552 --> 00:29:48,787 And everything that she was saying now 573 00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:51,090 fit into place, just like a puzzle. 574 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:53,692 You pick up a piece, and you toss it around until you 575 00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,728 link it and show the picture. 576 00:29:56,829 --> 00:29:58,097 It means nothing. 577 00:29:58,197 --> 00:30:00,833 But now, everything seemed to fit in place. 578 00:30:00,933 --> 00:30:03,802 And we started-- I started to kick myself for not knowing 579 00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:05,804 what she was talking about. 580 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:08,640 There have been many, many times 581 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,642 that I struck out completely. 582 00:30:10,742 --> 00:30:14,413 And I really wanted to find the child and got no answers. 583 00:30:14,513 --> 00:30:16,748 Till today, I don't know why. 584 00:30:16,849 --> 00:30:19,385 But there are several cases where I never 585 00:30:19,485 --> 00:30:23,055 come up with anything, not even one little clue that I know of. 586 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,528 ROBERT STACK: Dorothy Allison has lived in New Jersey 587 00:30:29,628 --> 00:30:30,997 all her life. 588 00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:33,099 She has four children, and her husband, Bob, 589 00:30:33,199 --> 00:30:34,766 is an engineer for a construction 590 00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:36,802 company in Manhattan. 591 00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:39,738 When Dorothy was 14, she had the first indication 592 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,808 of her psychic abilities, when she correctly predicted 593 00:30:42,909 --> 00:30:45,644 the death of her father. 594 00:30:45,744 --> 00:30:48,114 Since the Michael Kurcsics investigation, 595 00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:51,083 most of Dorothy's cases have been homicides. 596 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:53,085 Many of the victims have been children. 597 00:30:55,955 --> 00:30:57,423 DOROTHY ALLISON: I've often thought to myself, 598 00:30:57,523 --> 00:30:58,891 why does this happen to me? 599 00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,093 Why not somebody else? 600 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,396 Because it has been very hard on me emotionally, physically. 601 00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:07,566 And it has not been a happy thing for me at all times. 602 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,607 ROBERT STACK: On December 20, 1974, 603 00:31:15,707 --> 00:31:17,944 a New York banker-- John DeMars-- 604 00:31:18,044 --> 00:31:19,578 left his Manhattan office to ride 605 00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:20,947 the train home to New Jersey. 606 00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:25,751 He was happily married with two young children 607 00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:27,586 and habitually called his wife if he was going 608 00:31:27,686 --> 00:31:29,721 to be even five minutes late. 609 00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,891 But on this day, when his train stopped at Nutley, 610 00:31:32,992 --> 00:31:35,294 John DeMars was not on board. 611 00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,163 He had simply vanished. 612 00:31:39,798 --> 00:31:40,832 SAL LUBERTAZZI: Our first thoughts 613 00:31:40,933 --> 00:31:42,834 were maybe he embezzled money. 614 00:31:42,935 --> 00:31:46,172 But we didn't find anything wrong with the bank. 615 00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:48,674 Maybe he ran away with another girl. 616 00:31:48,774 --> 00:31:50,742 We found out that that wasn't true. 617 00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:52,011 We just couldn't find this fella, 618 00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:54,413 so I went to see Dorothy. 619 00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:57,749 I said, Dorothy, I'm looking for a male adult that's been 620 00:31:57,849 --> 00:32:00,186 missing for more than 24 hours. 621 00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:02,989 Her first words were to me was, he's drowned. 622 00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:04,556 I said, he fell off the train. 623 00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:07,693 He said, how could he fall off the train in the water? 624 00:32:07,793 --> 00:32:08,660 I says, nope. 625 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,296 I said, you received misinformation. 626 00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:11,863 He fell off the train. 627 00:32:11,964 --> 00:32:13,199 He's in water. 628 00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:16,668 So I says, well, can you give me any other clues 629 00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:19,071 as to where I would find Him 630 00:32:19,171 --> 00:32:22,708 I said, I see a row of tires, a little park where children 631 00:32:22,808 --> 00:32:25,177 go down a hill on their sleds. 632 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:28,114 I see a fire engine that children play on. 633 00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,716 And I see this man in this water here. 634 00:32:30,816 --> 00:32:35,187 Then she told me that she sees a bow and arrow. 635 00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:36,655 Now, where do you find a bow and arrow? 636 00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:39,825 I thought she was crazy. 637 00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:42,061 Hey, good job. 638 00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,596 ROBERT STACK: Two months after the disappearance, a father 639 00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:46,632 and his teenage son were target shooting 640 00:32:46,732 --> 00:32:50,036 with a bow and arrow on a bluff overlooking the Passaic River. 641 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:56,242 One of the arrows missed the target 642 00:32:56,342 --> 00:32:59,611 and landed a few feet from the body of John DeMars. 643 00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,984 The body was found on February 22. 644 00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:10,489 Dorothy had mentioned the number 222. 645 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:12,558 Nearby was a park where rows of tires 646 00:33:12,658 --> 00:33:16,562 had been arranged to make a sled run. 647 00:33:16,662 --> 00:33:20,966 The question remained-- how did John DeMars, a train passenger, 648 00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:24,736 drown in the Passaic River? 649 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,705 The authorities theorize that DeMars 650 00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:29,075 dozed off on the way home. 651 00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:30,876 The train made an unscheduled stop 652 00:33:30,976 --> 00:33:33,279 on the Passaic River Bridge. 653 00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:35,881 The conductor opened the doors to let another passenger 654 00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:37,749 off the back of the train. 655 00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:40,919 John DeMars, still half asleep, thought 656 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:42,621 he had reached his station. 657 00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:48,260 He stepped out into space and fell into the river below. 658 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,961 Chills go up and down your spine. 659 00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:51,430 Believe me. 660 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:52,598 You look around. 661 00:33:52,698 --> 00:33:54,066 You look at your notebook. 662 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:57,236 All these notes that you wrote down three months ago, 663 00:33:57,336 --> 00:34:01,240 and everything that she had said was exactly there. 664 00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,375 Everything that she had said. 665 00:34:03,475 --> 00:34:05,477 How Dorothy can do these things-- 666 00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:06,678 I don't understand psychics. 667 00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:08,780 I don't know how Dorothy's mind works. 668 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,217 All I know, if Dorothy told me, Ellen, 669 00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:13,285 go outside and cross the street, I would 670 00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:15,020 go out and cross the street. 671 00:34:15,121 --> 00:34:18,690 Because I don't know what she's seeing for me. 672 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:20,326 ROBERT STACK: Ellen Jacobson and her husband, 673 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:22,394 Bill, became involved with Dorothy 674 00:34:22,494 --> 00:34:39,178 after their daughter disappeared from home in 1976. 675 00:34:39,278 --> 00:34:42,648 On May 15, 14-year-old Susan Jacobson 676 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:45,384 left her Staten Island home to interview for a job 677 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:49,121 at a local ice cream parlor. 678 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:50,789 When Susan didn't return for dinner, 679 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:53,058 her parents contacted the police. 680 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:04,069 BILL JACOBSON: We were basically told that our daughter was 14, 681 00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:07,072 she had a boyfriend, and she ran away. 682 00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:09,975 Point-blank, that was it. 683 00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:14,079 And there's nothing they can do, because if she ran away, 684 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:17,483 they don't have manpower to go and look for 14-year-old girls 685 00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:19,351 who run away. 686 00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:20,252 So we had nothing. 687 00:35:27,092 --> 00:35:28,494 ROBERT STACK: Two weeks later, the Jacobsons 688 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:30,829 asked Dorothy to help. 689 00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:35,100 She immediately went to Staten Island with her husband, Bob. 690 00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:36,802 Dorothy knew nothing about the case 691 00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:40,939 and had never met the Jacobsons. 692 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,242 ELLEN JACOBSON: When Dorothy came, she was so down to earth, 693 00:35:43,342 --> 00:35:46,178 it was impossible to believe. 694 00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:49,681 I had visions of, oh, a gypsy woman. 695 00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:53,018 I had some visions of somebody laying out a deck of cards 696 00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:56,222 and reading cards to me or reading my hand. 697 00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,157 And Dorothy's first reaction when I came in 698 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:00,226 is, where's the coffee? 699 00:36:00,326 --> 00:36:02,994 Put the coffee pot on. 700 00:36:03,094 --> 00:36:06,665 Ellen, what does 2562 mean to you? 701 00:36:06,765 --> 00:36:08,334 ELLEN JACOBSON: She immediately asked me what 702 00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:11,303 the number 2562 would mean. 703 00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:15,874 And I said, well, I could turn it into February 5, 1962. 704 00:36:15,974 --> 00:36:18,844 I said, that's my daughter's birthday. 705 00:36:18,944 --> 00:36:21,079 She said to me, how about the number 408? 706 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:23,315 What does that mean? I'm in total shock. 707 00:36:23,415 --> 00:36:24,516 I don't know what she's looking for. 708 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:26,385 I said, 408. She said, maybe it's 405. 709 00:36:26,485 --> 00:36:30,556 I said, my daughter Susan was born that time. 710 00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:31,690 She said, what's "mar"? 711 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:33,759 I said, excuse me She says, what's "mar" mean? 712 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:35,026 I said, what do you mean, "mar"? 713 00:36:35,126 --> 00:36:37,629 She says, M-A-R. I want to see M-A-R. 714 00:36:37,729 --> 00:36:40,532 And I said, please, let's go to the police department, 715 00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:43,535 because the vision that I got right then and there was that 716 00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:46,772 her daughter had been strangled by the boyfriend and that 717 00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:48,507 she was at this place with this big 718 00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:50,709 M-A-R written in red letters. 719 00:36:50,809 --> 00:36:52,043 So I went to the police department 720 00:36:52,143 --> 00:36:53,912 and tried to explain, but to no avail. 721 00:36:56,982 --> 00:36:58,016 ROBERT STACK: The authorities were 722 00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,286 unwilling to work with a psychic, 723 00:37:00,386 --> 00:37:02,621 so Bill Jacobson decided to investigate 724 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:07,626 the many clues that Dorothy had come up with on his own. 725 00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:10,929 BILL JACOBSON: It was an abandoned car, the letters 726 00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:17,703 M-A-R, smell of oil, two sets of dual church steeples, 727 00:37:17,803 --> 00:37:20,506 dual smokestacks, swamps, marshes. 728 00:37:23,509 --> 00:37:26,412 We searched the vast amount of Staten Island. 729 00:37:26,512 --> 00:37:30,181 And the confusion of it is that you don't know 730 00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:34,185 distance and time, and you can't tell past, present, and future. 731 00:37:38,324 --> 00:37:43,395 Eventually, we got into a place that is called Downback. 732 00:37:43,495 --> 00:37:47,165 In this area is an abandoned shipyard 733 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:49,968 that was apparently active in World War I, 734 00:37:50,068 --> 00:37:52,338 and we found a rock. 735 00:37:52,438 --> 00:37:55,741 And on this rock were painted, in red letters, the letters 736 00:37:55,841 --> 00:38:15,727 M-A-R. All the clues that she had given me helped me 737 00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:20,432 by way of getting me to the area of ground 738 00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:22,100 where Susan was eventually found. 739 00:38:25,837 --> 00:38:29,307 When I saw the M-A-R, I was astounded. 740 00:38:29,408 --> 00:38:33,244 And I felt it had to be the area. 741 00:38:33,345 --> 00:38:34,813 Have to call Dorothy. 742 00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,181 Have to get her over here. 743 00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:38,384 Have to show her what I found. 744 00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:42,588 When Dorothy saw the M-A-R on a rock, she said, this is it. 745 00:38:42,688 --> 00:38:44,322 This is where your daughter is. 746 00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:46,091 Now we need the cops. 747 00:38:49,127 --> 00:38:50,028 We need the dogs. 748 00:38:50,128 --> 00:38:51,430 We need the bloodhounds. 749 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:54,633 We need to drag through the swamps and the marshes. 750 00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:56,968 But we had none of that. 751 00:38:57,068 --> 00:39:00,906 We searched as much as we could by ourselves. 752 00:39:01,006 --> 00:39:03,975 We felt that we had done a good search. 753 00:39:04,075 --> 00:39:05,444 Unfortunately, we never found my daughter. 754 00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,823 ROBERT STACK: 22 months later, three boys 755 00:39:17,923 --> 00:39:20,492 were out muskrat hunting in the precise area 756 00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:22,794 where Bill had searched, just 100 757 00:39:22,894 --> 00:39:25,531 yards from the M-A-R letters. 758 00:39:25,631 --> 00:39:27,933 They discovered the remains of Susan Jacobson, 759 00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:30,201 concealed in two oil drums. 760 00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:35,674 BILL JACOBSON: From the place where Susan was found, 761 00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:39,411 you could see-- almost all at the same time-- 762 00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:43,381 dual church steeples, the smokestacks, the abandoned car, 763 00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:49,187 the rock with the letters M-A-R. Susan was found in an oil drum, 764 00:39:49,287 --> 00:39:51,256 which is a smell of oil. 765 00:39:51,356 --> 00:39:55,026 And Dorothy had also said that Susan was in water, 766 00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:55,927 but she didn't drown. 767 00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,466 ROBERT STACK: The autopsy revealed that Susan had been 768 00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:03,034 strangled and her body dumped at the bottom 769 00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:06,237 of the water-filled hole. 770 00:40:06,337 --> 00:40:09,374 Dempsey Hawkins, Susan's boyfriend, 771 00:40:09,475 --> 00:40:12,177 was arrested, tried, and convicted of her murder. 772 00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:18,316 ELLEN JACOBSON: Dorothy knew that my daughter was murdered. 773 00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:21,019 She admitted to us, maybe nine months after my daughter's 774 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,055 disappearance, to the fact that who did the murder, 775 00:40:24,155 --> 00:40:26,958 she named the person to us. 776 00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:31,630 And everything that she said-- she said how she was murdered 777 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:34,299 and where-- and what Dorothy said came true. 778 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:41,473 In the three cases we have seen, 779 00:40:41,573 --> 00:40:44,175 Dorothy's success has been astonishing. 780 00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:45,443 But keep in mind that over the years, 781 00:40:45,544 --> 00:40:47,679 Dorothy has worked on hundreds of investigations 782 00:40:47,779 --> 00:40:50,315 And in many, she was unable to come up with information 783 00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:52,217 that helped the authorities. 784 00:40:52,317 --> 00:40:54,720 In a moment, we'll follow Dorothy on a current murder 785 00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:58,023 investigation to see exactly what she does 786 00:40:58,123 --> 00:41:01,326 and how she does it. 787 00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:04,295 Last March, we looked for a case where we could examine Dorothy 788 00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:06,464 Allison's psychic gifts. 789 00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:08,433 We found a homicide in Hagerstown, Maryland, 790 00:41:08,534 --> 00:41:10,468 where the police are at a dead end. 791 00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:13,572 They agreed we could ask Dorothy to assist on the case and film 792 00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:16,274 the investigation as it happened. 793 00:41:16,374 --> 00:41:18,309 As you'll see, Dorothy came up with the name 794 00:41:18,409 --> 00:41:20,145 of a possible suspect. 795 00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:23,982 But for legal reasons, we have chosen to disguise this name. 796 00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:26,652 We gave Dorothy absolutely no information on the case. 797 00:41:26,752 --> 00:41:28,854 She didn't know the name of the victim or the state 798 00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:30,055 where it happened. 799 00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,823 She didn't even know it was a murder case. 800 00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:39,831 Dorothy was contacted by Sergeant Keith Wattenschaidt 801 00:41:39,931 --> 00:41:42,568 of the Maryland State Police, who was in charge 802 00:41:42,668 --> 00:41:43,802 of the ongoing investigation. 803 00:41:43,902 --> 00:41:44,936 DOROTHY ALLISON (ON PHONE): Hello? 804 00:41:45,036 --> 00:41:46,104 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT (ON PHONE): Mrs. Allison? 805 00:41:46,204 --> 00:41:47,205 Yes. 806 00:41:47,305 --> 00:41:48,106 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT (ON PHONE): How are you? 807 00:41:48,206 --> 00:41:49,374 Fine, thank you. How are you? 808 00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:51,276 ROBERT STACK: Knowing absolutely nothing about the case, 809 00:41:51,376 --> 00:41:53,011 Dorothy drew up a list of clues the night 810 00:41:53,111 --> 00:41:55,681 before Detective Wattenschaidt's call 811 00:41:55,781 --> 00:41:58,083 and then dictated the list in several conversations 812 00:41:58,183 --> 00:41:59,150 the next day. 813 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,552 DOROTHY ALLISON (ON PHONE): What we should 814 00:42:00,652 --> 00:42:02,588 do is be looking for a janitor in a school, 815 00:42:02,688 --> 00:42:05,757 somebody that worked in school as a janitor. 816 00:42:05,857 --> 00:42:10,596 I feel this was some kind of kidnap, abduction of some kind 817 00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:12,698 or something like that. 818 00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:15,366 I also feel that I'm dealing with a suspect 819 00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:19,537 who has suicidal tendencies and something wrong with the feet. 820 00:42:19,638 --> 00:42:22,307 The numbers one and seven were very important. 821 00:42:22,407 --> 00:42:27,078 Whether it's 71 or 17, I don't know just yet. 822 00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:28,647 ROBERT STACK: The clues were random images that 823 00:42:28,747 --> 00:42:30,816 might relate to the victim, the murder, 824 00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:32,618 friends, or even the police. 825 00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:34,552 DOROTHY ALLISON (ON PHONE): I feel also 826 00:42:34,653 --> 00:42:39,090 that this person wears glasses and sometimes a wig 827 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:40,859 to look different. 828 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:41,960 A wig? 829 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:43,028 DOROTHY ALLISON (ON PHONE): Yes. 830 00:42:43,128 --> 00:42:44,195 Uh-huh. 831 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:46,765 When I was talking to Dorothy on the telephone, 832 00:42:46,865 --> 00:42:48,767 she mentioned about a police officer, 833 00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:52,804 possibly in disguise, wearing a beard that he now doesn't have 834 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:56,608 and a wig or hairpiece of that nature. 835 00:42:56,708 --> 00:42:59,611 That kind of keyed upon me, because I'm a policeman. 836 00:42:59,711 --> 00:43:01,012 I don't feel I'm in disguise. 837 00:43:01,112 --> 00:43:04,349 But I am in plainclothes. 838 00:43:04,449 --> 00:43:05,550 I wear a hairpiece. 839 00:43:05,651 --> 00:43:07,953 And I just took a beard off two days ago. 840 00:43:08,053 --> 00:43:09,387 I was on vacation. 841 00:43:09,487 --> 00:43:13,191 And she could have been keying in on me, which is possible. 842 00:43:18,563 --> 00:43:19,865 ROBERT STACK: Dorothy flew to Hagerstown 843 00:43:19,965 --> 00:43:23,669 with her husband, Bob, to meet with Detective Wattenschaidt. 844 00:43:23,769 --> 00:43:25,737 Immediately after they landed, Dorothy 845 00:43:25,837 --> 00:43:27,172 had a name for the authorities. 846 00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:28,073 DOROTHY ALLISON: I've got-- 847 00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:29,574 Mrs. Allison, how are you? 848 00:43:29,675 --> 00:43:30,776 DOROTHY ALLISON: How are you? 849 00:43:30,876 --> 00:43:31,977 I'm Sergeant Wattenschaidt. of the state police. 850 00:43:32,077 --> 00:43:33,645 - I know. - How was your flight? 851 00:43:33,745 --> 00:43:34,612 Great. 852 00:43:34,713 --> 00:43:35,947 Listen, I wrote some notes for you. 853 00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:37,015 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Did you come up with anything else? 854 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,116 Yeah, well, I have a name here for you. 855 00:43:38,216 --> 00:43:38,884 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Beautiful, beautiful. 856 00:43:38,984 --> 00:43:39,985 OK. 857 00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:41,286 And I also have some other things that I got. 858 00:43:41,386 --> 00:43:42,921 It's kind of scribbled. 859 00:43:43,021 --> 00:43:45,223 But there's a name for you, OK? 860 00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:47,558 It's either-- Chuck is a nickname. 861 00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:50,395 And then it's either Bernstein or Goldstein-- the last name. 862 00:43:50,495 --> 00:43:51,596 Uh-huh, the last name. 863 00:43:51,697 --> 00:43:53,198 When it comes to psychics, if you looked at them 864 00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:56,101 in a general sense, I would tell you I think 865 00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:57,635 they're a bunch of baloney. 866 00:43:57,736 --> 00:44:00,605 But I'm keeping an open mind towards Dorothy Allison, 867 00:44:00,706 --> 00:44:04,743 because I want to solve this case very badly. 868 00:44:04,843 --> 00:44:06,177 ROBERT STACK: For four years, police 869 00:44:06,277 --> 00:44:08,947 have been unable to solve the case of Lori Zimmerman, 870 00:44:09,047 --> 00:44:12,217 a 15-year-old schoolgirl, who, in April 1984, 871 00:44:12,317 --> 00:44:16,788 left her aunt's house and simply disappeared. 872 00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:20,091 Eight days later, Lori's partially naked body was found 873 00:44:20,191 --> 00:44:22,894 in the forest 12 miles away. 874 00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:25,931 She had been beaten and suffocated. 875 00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:30,468 The coroner found a foreign object lodged in her throat . 876 00:44:30,568 --> 00:44:33,471 DOROTHY ALLISON: I feel that she was in front of a library 877 00:44:33,571 --> 00:44:36,307 when she met these two brothers or two cousins 878 00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:39,911 or twin friends of hers right from her own neighborhood. 879 00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:41,046 She did meet somebody there. 880 00:44:41,146 --> 00:44:43,081 Their name could be [bleep]. 881 00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:45,083 ROBERT STACK: Within minutes of leaving the airport, 882 00:44:45,183 --> 00:44:47,986 more thoughts and images flooded Dorothy's mind. 883 00:44:48,086 --> 00:44:49,187 DOROTHY ALLISON: I feel that she had 884 00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:53,091 been raped and then murdered. 885 00:44:53,191 --> 00:44:54,292 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh. 886 00:44:54,392 --> 00:44:56,795 I know that if I had to see her, I don't know why, 887 00:44:56,895 --> 00:44:58,063 but I get a feeling she has something 888 00:44:58,163 --> 00:44:59,898 the matter with her head, as though somebody hit her 889 00:44:59,998 --> 00:45:02,667 with something near her head. 890 00:45:02,768 --> 00:45:05,370 I'm getting something on the head. 891 00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:07,505 MAN: Her jaw was broke in two places. 892 00:45:07,605 --> 00:45:11,109 But that, of course, wasn't the cause of death. 893 00:45:11,209 --> 00:45:12,878 I get more of a suffocation feeling. 894 00:45:12,978 --> 00:45:13,779 I know I can't breathe. 895 00:45:13,879 --> 00:45:15,080 There's something hot. 896 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,715 Whatever it is, I feel a lot of heat around this girl. 897 00:45:17,816 --> 00:45:18,616 Tremendous amounts of heat. 898 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:24,689 No, I think I'm getting a feeling 899 00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:28,559 of what actually-- There's a choking going on in her throat, 900 00:45:28,659 --> 00:45:29,460 too. 901 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,395 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh. 902 00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:32,597 She's choking on something. 903 00:45:32,697 --> 00:45:39,737 And this is during the attack, you know, that she is choking. 904 00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:41,339 I think you know what I'm getting at, don't you? 905 00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:44,475 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Not as a force on the throat, 906 00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:45,977 but it's more of a choking technique. 907 00:45:46,077 --> 00:45:47,178 Exactly. 908 00:45:47,278 --> 00:45:50,181 As though you were gurgling on something, right? 909 00:45:50,281 --> 00:45:52,583 That type of situation, I'm getting. 910 00:45:52,683 --> 00:45:53,852 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: There's no way 911 00:45:53,952 --> 00:45:56,754 that Dorothy Allison would have known about an object 912 00:45:56,855 --> 00:45:59,891 being in the victim's throat. 913 00:45:59,991 --> 00:46:02,127 She related that it didn't seem to her 914 00:46:02,227 --> 00:46:04,495 to be a choking of the hands around a throat, 915 00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:07,966 but as a choking of some type of object down 916 00:46:08,066 --> 00:46:09,167 inside the victim's throat. 917 00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:11,803 And I was very surprised that she keyed in on this, 918 00:46:11,903 --> 00:46:15,473 because this is a point in the investigation 919 00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,375 that we did not make public. 920 00:46:17,475 --> 00:46:21,112 She definitely, absolutely walked down the street. 921 00:46:21,212 --> 00:46:23,381 And she goes as far as the library. 922 00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:26,284 And then she is picked up in this yellow car 923 00:46:26,384 --> 00:46:27,652 that I described to you-- a real old car. 924 00:46:27,752 --> 00:46:28,786 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: Uh-huh. 925 00:46:28,887 --> 00:46:30,355 Well, here's the library right here on the left. 926 00:46:30,455 --> 00:46:32,557 ROBERT STACK: After 24 hours in Hagerstown, 927 00:46:32,657 --> 00:46:33,859 Dorothy had come up with literally 928 00:46:33,959 --> 00:46:36,194 dozens of possible clues. 929 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:38,796 Many seemed unrelated to the case. 930 00:46:38,897 --> 00:46:41,699 Others would seem misdirected-- Keith Wattenschaidt's 931 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,534 hairpiece, for instance. 932 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:45,971 And the janitor Dorothy mentioned may have been Lori's 933 00:46:46,071 --> 00:46:48,739 stepfather-- not a suspect. 934 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,609 The individual she named at the airport-- Chuck Goldstein 935 00:46:51,709 --> 00:46:54,980 or Bernstein-- is also not a suspect, 936 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,884 though, according to Dorothy, he may have some information. 937 00:46:58,984 --> 00:47:03,254 But some of Dorothy's clues did seem connected to the crime. 938 00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:06,357 For example, Dorothy had seen the numbers one and seven. 939 00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:08,459 She learned that Lori had been laid to rest 940 00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,797 at the cemetery in plot 17. 941 00:47:12,898 --> 00:47:14,900 Dorothy had mentioned the name Cleveland. 942 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,436 The last street sign before the crime scene was at a turnoff 943 00:47:18,536 --> 00:47:20,171 called Cleveland Town Road. 944 00:47:23,041 --> 00:47:26,011 Dorothy had talked about an old church. 945 00:47:26,111 --> 00:47:28,179 Half a mile from where the body was found, 946 00:47:28,279 --> 00:47:32,517 there was indeed an old church. 947 00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:34,886 All these clues might be coincidences, 948 00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:38,423 but they might also be part of a mosaic that, once assembled, 949 00:47:38,523 --> 00:47:41,292 will create a picture of what happened to Lori Zimmerman. 950 00:47:41,392 --> 00:47:43,895 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: The people who found the body-- 951 00:47:43,995 --> 00:47:44,795 they were coming back-- 952 00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:46,064 ROBERT STACK: At the crime scene, 953 00:47:46,164 --> 00:47:47,765 Dorothy experienced the strongest 954 00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,236 sensation that she'd felt during the entire investigation. 955 00:47:51,336 --> 00:47:53,404 But as far as that name [bleep], 956 00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:55,440 I feel that-- I feel him stronger than 957 00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:57,642 anybody right now in this area. 958 00:47:57,742 --> 00:48:01,412 I feel that he's the one who took the girl here. 959 00:48:01,512 --> 00:48:02,948 And the reason he murdered her was 960 00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:05,483 because she was reluctant to let him 961 00:48:05,583 --> 00:48:07,285 do whatever he wanted to do. 962 00:48:07,385 --> 00:48:10,421 So she screamed out loud, and he panicked. 963 00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:13,524 And I believe that he hit her on the head-- you know, 964 00:48:13,624 --> 00:48:14,559 the head area. 965 00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:17,562 I believe that he killed her that way. 966 00:48:17,662 --> 00:48:19,197 But I do believe that [bleep] is the man 967 00:48:19,297 --> 00:48:21,266 that murdered this girl. 968 00:48:21,366 --> 00:48:24,435 And I think you should start looking for him. 969 00:48:24,535 --> 00:48:25,603 KEITH WATTENSCHAIDT: OK. 970 00:48:25,703 --> 00:48:28,039 In fact, I'd be positive that he is the one. 971 00:48:31,876 --> 00:48:33,178 Detective Wattenschaidt has run 972 00:48:33,278 --> 00:48:35,413 the name that Dorothy mentioned through the police computers. 973 00:48:35,513 --> 00:48:38,883 But there are no known suspects by that name. 974 00:48:38,984 --> 00:48:41,953 In total, she came up with 50 different clues. 975 00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:43,388 Only when the crime is solved will 976 00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:45,056 we know how many of Dorothy's visions 977 00:48:45,156 --> 00:48:48,559 are really connected to the murder of Lori Zimmerman. 978 00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:51,796 [theme music] 979 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,834 For every mystery, there is someone 980 00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:59,137 somewhere who knows the truth. 981 00:48:59,237 --> 00:49:01,039 Perhaps that someone is watching. 982 00:49:01,139 --> 00:49:01,939 Perhaps it's you. 983 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,276 [theme music] 78352

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