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ANNOUNCER: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): In 1970,
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Clarence Roberts was found
dead in a fire, or was he?
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10 years later, another
fire killed his wife.
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In the rubble, Clarence Roberts
was found for the second time.
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How could a man die twice?
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Pretty 16-year-old Jenny
Pratt hoped to become a model
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until tragically she
and her boyfriend
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were viciously attacked
on a deserted road.
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She was in a coma
for three months
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and still has no memory of
the attack or her attackers.
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In central Florida,
a clumsy robber has
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successfully held up 30 banks.
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The police call him "Fumbles."
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He is still at large.
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On a quiet Saturday morning,
Jack Quinn went to work
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and calmly walked
off at $1.3 million.
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He seems to have committed
the perfect crime.
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Perhaps tonight, you
can help catch him.
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[theme music]
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For every mystery,
there is someone
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somewhere who knows the truth.
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Tonight, we'll tell
you how our viewers
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helped capture a
Tennessee man accused
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of murdering two teenage girls.
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10 years ago, he fled to Canada.
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After our broadcast,
he's now in custody.
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Join me.
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You may be able to
help solve a mystery.
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[theme music]
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
During the spring of 1987,
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Jenny Pratt had hopes
of becoming a model.
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She was pretty and popular
and in her sophomore year
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at a Carlsbad,
California, high school.
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But what mattered
most to Jenny was
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her boyfriend, Curtis Croft.
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Jenny was only 16, and she was
deeply in love with Curtis.
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He drove a Porsche,
had plenty of money,
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and was a good-looking
California surfer.
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But Curtis' glamorous
facade had a darker side.
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DIANE STROM (VOICEOVER):
I didn't really, really
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know what was going on
until I'd say almost six
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months into the
relationship when she said,
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Mom, I have a boyfriend.
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He's 17 years old.
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And I said, OK, and he really
seemed like a pretty nice boy.
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In fact, he really did
a good job snowing me.
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He looked 17.
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And further on down
the road, I found out
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he had been in jail for drugs.
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And he was 24 years
old, and just bad
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news for a 16-year-old kid.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Against her parents' wishes,
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Jenny went out with Curtis on
the night of April the 25th,
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1987.
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He borrowed a
friend's motorcycle
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and promised Jenny
he would get her home
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before her midnight curfew.
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Jenny Pratt would never
arrive home that night.
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Jennifer Pratt was brutally
attacked that April night
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with my unusual weapon, a heavy
board, six and 1/2 feet long.
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The police believed
that her assailants
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may be local teenagers.
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But so far no one
in that community
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will speak out to identify them.
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We will not know
who attacked Jenny
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until someone has the courage
to step forward with the truth.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): At 1:00 AM
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on the night of the
incident, Jenny's parents
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received a telephone call.
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Their daughter had been
airlifted to a nearby hospital.
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DIANE STROM
(VOICEOVER): They said,
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your daughter's
been in an accident.
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I So is she OK?
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And they wouldn't
tell me anything.
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And they said, you
have to come down.
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She's in Scripps in La Jolla.
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I didn't even know where it was.
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GARY STROM: Neither one of
us realized why she would
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be going to Scripps Hospital.
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There's a hospital
five minutes away.
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Oh my gosh.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Scripps Medical Center
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in La Jolla, California,
is a renowned trauma
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center, which takes only
the most severe cases.
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Her name is Jenny Pratt.
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Can we see her?
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No, you can't
see her right now.
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The doctor's with her.
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Is she OK?
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I was asking a
million questions.
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But I wasn't
getting any answers.
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Finally, the nurse
said, the doctor
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would like to talk to us.
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And he took us off into
kind of a waiting room.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
doctor told Jenny's parents
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the worst possible news.
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Your daughter is brain-dead.
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And we don't expect her to
live but two more hours.
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Jenny had received
a very serious injury
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at the scene of the accident.
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The blow from the
board that struck her
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was great enough to
actually crush the skull.
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And that caused immediate
shutdown of her brain.
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DIANE STROM: And then
they said I could see her.
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And what I saw was horrible.
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Her hair was red
from all the blood.
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She was bleeding out of her
nose, her ears, her mouth.
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And she had tubes all over her.
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It was like her whole
body was just distorted.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Miraculously, Jenny Pratt
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survived.
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But she lapsed into a deep coma.
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Our first involvement
in the case was to examine
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the evidence that was
found at the crime scene,
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which consisted of the
two-by-four that was
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used to hit Jenny and Curtis.
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We examined that for
physical evidence
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and didn't find
any fingerprints.
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There was some
blood stains on it,
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which were photographed and
were determined to be Jenny's.
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Curtis was interviewed
that same day
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at the Carlsbad Police Station.
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His account of what
happened basically
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is that he was giving
Jennifer a ride home.
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They were driving down
Rancho Santa Fe Road, getting
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ready to make a left turn.
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I was just like going to
approach that intersection,
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going pretty slow.
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And all of a sudden,
something struck me.
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I just go, ow, what was that?
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It's like, it kind
of hurt really bad.
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And then the car, the
car went zooming by.
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And I went back, I turned
around to tell Jenny,
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I go someone threw something
at me or something.
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I don't know what happened.
Something hit me.
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I was like, you know, I
couldn't believe I got hurt.
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And she was out of it.
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And so I just go, oh my
god, what's happening.
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We believed it
was a case where
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a carload or a
truckload of juveniles
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had committed this crime.
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Curtis was giving
Jennifer a ride home.
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They had almost come
to a complete stop
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when he realized that he'd
been struck by a board
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and realized that Jenny
had been struck by a board
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and had slumped against him.
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At the same time, the white
pickup truck went by them
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at a high rate of speed.
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He had the impression that there
was a large group of juveniles
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in the back of the
pickup truck, that they
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were laughing as they went by.
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And his impression was
that the board came
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flying from the pickup truck.
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Quite frankly, we expected it
to be a crime that would have
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been solved just by
the nature of juveniles
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have a tendency to talk.
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We felt it was very possible
that in a short period of time,
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we would have identified
who the suspects were.
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But to this date, we have
yet to have anybody come up
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and supply us with
any direct knowledge
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of what happened that night.
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I understand
you're a friend of--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Jenny's parents
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hired private investigator
Louis Crisafi.
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He interviewed students
at Jenny's high school.
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Basically all I can tell you
is at that night that happened,
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it was not aimed at Jenny.
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It was aimed for Curtis.
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And nobody really
knows who did it.
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I have a feeling
I know who did it.
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But no one's really
willing to say.
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There's no doubt
that there were
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people because of
Curtis' background that
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didn't like him.
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He was not a popular person.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In
1985, Curtis Croft had been
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convicted for dealing cocaine.
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After cooperating with
police investigators,
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he served less than
half of his sentence.
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SGT. JIM BYLER: He developed
the reputation as a snitch
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when he got himself in trouble.
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And young people, particularly
young people involved in drugs,
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tend to look down on somebody
who develops that reputation.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Police investigated
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a number of people who might
have wanted to hurt Curtis.
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[knocking]
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Hey, get out here.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
They learned that Curtis
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had confronted one of
his enemies on the night
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before the assault.
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CURTIS: You stole some
stuff from my apartment
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the other night.
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I didn't steal anything
from your apartment.
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CURTIS: Yeah, you did.
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You know exactly what
I'm talking about, too.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Jenny's parents
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believe that the boy
might have attacked
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Curtis and Jenny because of
Curtis' threats against him.
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CURTIS: I'll go to the cops
if I have to to get to you.
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Good.
I'll talk to them, too.
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Yeah, you're busted, man.
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- No, I don't think so.
- Yeah, you are.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The police investigation
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was stopped cold
when Curtis claimed
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he could not identify
the perpetrators
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on the night of the incident.
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He said the white pickup truck
was traveling at 55 miles,
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too fast for him to get a
look at Jenny's assailants.
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Louis Crisafi did
not believe Curtis.
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He attempted to
reconstruct the incident
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at two different speeds.
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LOUIS CRISAFI (VOICEOVER): And
we used the identical pickups,
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as far as the model
year and the size
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and the same type
of motorcycle and we
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used the same conditions.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The first reconstruction
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was done at 50 miles an hour.
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At that speed, it
seems almost certain
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that both Curtis and Jenny
would have been killed.
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They were traveling
exactly at 50.
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There is no way it
could have happened
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the way he said it did.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Moreover,
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in this reconstruction, the
board fell about 50 feet
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from the scene of the crime,
when in reality, police
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had found it only a
few feet from the spot
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where Jenny had been attacked.
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The second
reconstruction, played out
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at only 10 miles
an hour, inflicted
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injuries very similar to
the ones Curtis and Jenny
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actually received.
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LOUIS CRISAFI: This is a
perfect depiction of exactly--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
And this time, the board fell
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right next to the motorcycle.
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LOUIS CRISAFI: The
board wound up almost
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identical to where it was.
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We had reason to
believe that Curtis was
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not telling the whole truth.
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We went back to Curtis'
apartment and visited with him.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Crisafi
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felt that Curtis had seen the
people in the pickup truck,
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and he confronted him.
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Were you in a fight that
evening in the restaurant?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Finally, Curtis did name names.
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One of them was the same boy
he had fought with on the night
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before the attack.
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Well, they forced
me to tell it,
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like, it's like threatening
someone, you know.
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And they scared me into saying
that, and that wasn't right.
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OK, Curtis, you've
made some new statements
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to a private investigator.
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And I want to hear what
those statements were.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Later on, Curtis recanted,
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telling police he
had given them names
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because he felt pressured.
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I was a little nervous.
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The truck went by really fast,
and the people try to say,
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oh, maybe you saw someone.
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But I really didn't.
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And we've done lying
detector tests on me.
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I've passed
everything, you know.
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I've told the truth.
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I've always been there to help.
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I've never, you know,
not came around.
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I've always came to
everything he wanted me to do
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and cooperated with everything.
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We do believe that Curtis
did, in fact, see those people.
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Curtis continuously told us that
he has been threatened, that he
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has basically informed
on people before
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and was very, very frightened
that he would be killed.
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And he was already
being threatened
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not to talk in this case.
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And we have reason to
believe that what he's
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saying to that effect is true.
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You know, the real mystery
is it seems like the second we
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find somebody that's willing to
come forward and say something,
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somebody gets to them.
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And they either disappear
or they don't know anything.
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I honestly believe people
have been paid off, threatened,
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and if anybody does
try to come forward,
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the next day they
don't want to do it.
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You know, people's mind
don't change that fast.
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Hi, Jen, it's Mommy.
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How are you doing?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Three months after the attack,
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Jenny Pratt came
out of her coma.
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At first, she seemed incapable
of thought or action.
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But after 12 weeks, she
started physical therapy.
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This time, we're going
to take a step off--
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Seven months
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later, Jenny began to speak.
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A year later, she walked.
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It feels spaghetti.
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OK, spaghetti?
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Jen, I want you to try to
take a step with this leg.
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Keep the whole
foot on the ground.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Although Jenny's progress
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has been miraculous, her
brain damage is severe.
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And tragically, it is
probably irreversible.
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I don't think it's
possible that those events
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were stored in her memory.
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I don't think there's any
way they can be recalled.
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I think there's a
strong likelihood
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that she could be told things
that she would then repeat.
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But to remember those actual
events is virtually impossible.
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I've been wondering
back about why
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somebody was trying to kill me.
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And why was somebody mad at me?
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And what did I do to
them to hurt them?
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LOUIS CRISAFI: We need somebody
in the community with half
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the courage of Jennifer Pratt,
somebody who just knows the one
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missing link, the one thing
that'll tie this whole case
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together because I really
think that's all we're missing
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is that one small link.
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And someone out there has it.
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We've emphasized repeatedly
over the last year, year
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and a half, that we're primarily
interested in finding who
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threw the board that hit Jenny.
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If there is a group of
other people in the truck,
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they can come forward
without fear of prosecution.
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DIANE STROM: I see
a lot of hard work,
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needless work that had to be
done because some fool did this
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to her.
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A brain injury, you live with
that for the rest of your life.
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And I sometimes wonder
if it is living really.
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I'll always love Jenny, but
I sure miss the old Jenny.
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If anybody in this state
could tell me who hurted me,
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I would appreciate
that very badly.
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Because you don't know how bad
I would appreciate the feeling
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that somebody does
love me, and somebody
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really does care about me.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Last
October, we examined the case
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of Joe Shepherd, wanted by
the FBI and Tennessee police
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for the murders of 14-year-old
Kathy Clowers and 16-year-old
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Roxanne Woodson.
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Police allege that
in both cases,
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Shepherd brutally
murdered his victims
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and then buried their
bodies in shallow graves.
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In 1978, Joe Shepherd
was officially
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charged with the two murders.
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On July 17 of that
same year while
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awaiting trial in the
Bradley County Jail,
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Joe Shepherd and two
other inmates escaped.
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Although his two
accomplices were
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recaptured the following week,
Joe Shepherd was never found.
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Update, London, Ontario,
Canada, a 10-year search
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for Joe Shepherd has ended.
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After the "Unsolved
Mysteries" show on October 5th,
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we received a phone call
from a local resident,
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saying that he
believed the guy called
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Shepherd was, in
fact, living in London
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under the name Joseph Tripp.
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We began an investigation.
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And when we had identified
him to our satisfaction
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as Shepherd, he was arrested.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
At the time of his arrest,
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Shepherd was living in a
government housing project
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in London, Ontario,
with his common law
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wife and their two children.
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It seems apparent that Mr.
Shepherd was in London, Canada,
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just within a matter
of days after he
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escaped from Bradley County.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Shepherd
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is currently in custody
on an immigration warrant,
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and is awaiting deportation
back to the United States.
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However, the US-Canadian
Extradition Treaty stipulates
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that he cannot be returned
to a state that plans
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to invoke the death penalty.
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JERRY ESTES: Now I can tell
you that it is my intention
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to seek the death
penalty on Mr. Shepherd,
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unless it would
prevent his extradition
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to the state of Tennessee.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Shepherd also faces
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seven other charges,
including rape,
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aggravated assault
against a police officer,
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and escape from jail.
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Next, the story of Jack
Quinn, trusted vice
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president of a security firm.
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He stole $1,300,000
in untraceable cash.
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[theme music]
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One Saturday morning,
Jack Quinn calmly
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walked off the job with
$1,315,000 in untraceable cash.
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He still remains at large.
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Jack Quinn was vice
president and general manager
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of federal protection services,
a company that provided
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security and armed
guards to banks
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and other financial
institutions.
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Every day, this company handled
millions of dollars in cash,
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and Quinn oversaw the
firm's security operation.
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At 8:00 AM on Saturday,
April 9, 1988, Jack Quinn
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arrived at his office.
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Few people were at
Federal's office
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that day, though a
supervisor Harry Goldberg
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was working that morning.
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Morning, Harry.
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Morning, Jack.
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I'm going to take
care of the morning run.
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HARRY GOLDBERG: OK.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): While Harry
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continued to work at his
desk, Quinn was busy, too.
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But he kept his
business to himself.
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From time to time,
Harry Goldberg
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would see Quinn in the vault,
but he noticed nothing unusual.
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HARRY GOLDBERG: I've
walked down the hall
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several times to pick
up coffee or whatever.
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And every time I'd go past
that window, I'd look in,
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see him sitting at the
desk, just as calm, cool,
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and collected as you'd
ever want to see him.
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I never suspected he would
be doing something like that.
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I don't even know
how he had the time.
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It would take him 20 minutes to
pack up the money, loose money.
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If it was loose and some
bags, it would take him
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maybe a half-hour, 45 minutes.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Somehow without being detected,
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Quinn spent much of the
morning in the vault,
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transferring the money
from bags to boxes.
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Outside, Quinn put the
money into the trunk
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of his company car.
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Quinn also put $107,000 into
the trunk of his personal car.
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He then asked Harry
Goldberg to follow him home.
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When he arrived, Quinn
dropped off his car
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and said goodbye to his wife.
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What's up?
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Nothing, I have to
get back to the office.
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I'll be about a half-hour or so.
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OK?
- Sure.
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See you.
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Bye-bye.
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Bye.
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JACK QUINN: How's
this car doing?
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Not too bad.
It could be better.
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What do you mean
it could be better?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Harry Goldberg
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drove Quinn back to the office.
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Quinn got into the company car
that now held over $1 million
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and headed to the airport.
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Police speculate that
he had transferred
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the money into suitcases.
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When he arrived at the
airport, he unloaded his car
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and vanished.
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JAMES CAVANAUGH (VOICEOVER): The
trail for Quinn stops at Palm
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Beach International Airport.
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The ticket in the car indicates
it was left there at 5:36
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PM on the night of the ninth.
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From that point, we have no
idea where Mr. Quinn has gone.
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Indications are he
did not take a plane.
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He did not rent a car.
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And he did not take a cab.
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Look, Jack dropped the car
keys off to me a while ago,
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and he said he'd be
back in half an hour.
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And that was five hours ago.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When her husband
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failed to come home, Quinn's
wife called his office.
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They had no idea where he
was or what he had done.
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The next morning,
she found $107,000
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in the trunk of their car.
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She turned it into the police.
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She also found a letter
that read in part,
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"I have done
something very wrong,
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and I can't stay and
face the consequences."
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The moneys that
Quinn left Federal
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Protection Service with that
Saturday night are untraceable.
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There are no prerecorded
serial numbers.
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There are no bait bills.
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The monies are of a
varied denomination
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and basically could
never be traced to him.
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Since the
investigation began, it
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appears that Quinn may have
been involved in several what we
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call defalcations,
missing money,
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mysterious disappearances
from the company prior
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to this culminating incident.
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There was an incident
approximately a month
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prior to his leaving, where his
wife had found a wad of money
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in the vehicle, his
personal vehicle,
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and it was unexplained.
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Whenever the wife
would find money, be it
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in the car, in the
house and so forth,
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Quinn would explain it away as
he had sold something, a gun,
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a car, it's old property
and that would explain
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his acclimation of money.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Quinn was known
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to appreciate the good life.
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He rented a 10-acre horse ranch.
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Friends wondered
how he could afford
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this extravagant lifestyle
on his $35,000 a year income.
491
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:36,188
CARL FULGENZI: Several
weeks prior to this theft,
492
00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:39,291
we learned that the IRS was
after Jack Quinn to settle
493
00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,994
a substantial amount of money.
494
00:22:42,094 --> 00:22:44,030
Jack did not have the money.
495
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,666
It's quite obvious to me that
the reason he pulled this job
496
00:22:46,766 --> 00:22:50,670
is because he had no other
way of satisfying the IRS,
497
00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:52,639
and he was going to lose
everything or possibly
498
00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:53,540
go to jail.
499
00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:56,776
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): There were
500
00:22:56,876 --> 00:23:00,547
reports that Quinn had been
conducting an ongoing affair.
501
00:23:00,647 --> 00:23:02,348
A month prior to
the theft, Quinn
502
00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:07,253
would leave home at 5:00 AM, yet
not arrive at work until 9:30.
503
00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:10,690
Police speculate he used the
time to see his girlfriend.
504
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:14,827
They also speculate that they
may have run away together.
505
00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:17,096
Whatever the reasons
for his disappearance,
506
00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:19,766
today Jack Quinn
is a wanted man.
507
00:23:19,866 --> 00:23:21,300
He is 48 years of age.
508
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,103
He is stocky with a
tendency to put on weight.
509
00:23:24,203 --> 00:23:27,006
He has thinning brown
hair, brown eyes,
510
00:23:27,106 --> 00:23:28,340
and is fluent in Spanish.
511
00:23:36,516 --> 00:23:39,519
Next, the story of two
fires in a tiny Indiana town
512
00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,187
called Nashville.
513
00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:43,289
They happened 10
years apart, yet
514
00:23:43,389 --> 00:23:45,024
the body of Clarence
Roberts seems
515
00:23:45,124 --> 00:23:47,359
to have been found both times.
516
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:52,331
Some people in Nashville
believe he is still alive.
517
00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:53,299
[theme music]
518
00:24:00,172 --> 00:24:04,310
Nashville, Indiana,
population 700.
519
00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:06,312
Located in the
American heartland,
520
00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:08,147
Nashville is like
a Norman Rockwell
521
00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:10,449
painting brought to life.
522
00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,384
Here, everyone
knows one another,
523
00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:15,722
so there are few street
addresses and fewer secrets.
524
00:24:15,822 --> 00:24:20,026
Nashville is a community in
the best sense of the word.
525
00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:22,194
Two of Nashville's most
illustrious citizens
526
00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,997
were Clarence and
Geneva Roberts.
527
00:24:25,097 --> 00:24:27,466
But in the fall of
1970, the couple
528
00:24:27,567 --> 00:24:30,503
became embroiled in a
firestorm of controversy,
529
00:24:30,603 --> 00:24:32,304
betrayal, and murder.
530
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:38,244
On the night of
November 18, 1970,
531
00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:40,780
a fire raged out of
control behind the Roberts'
532
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,682
fashionable home.
533
00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:45,384
And when the ashes
had cooled, a body
534
00:24:45,484 --> 00:24:48,454
was discovered and identified
as Clarence Roberts.
535
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:55,394
10 Years later,
another fire blazed.
536
00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:57,664
Two more bodies were discovered.
537
00:24:57,764 --> 00:25:01,400
One was Geneva Roberts,
and the other was again
538
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,637
identified as Clarence Roberts.
539
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,339
But how could a man die twice?
540
00:25:07,439 --> 00:25:10,577
Today the people of
Nashville still wonder what
541
00:25:10,677 --> 00:25:13,546
happened to Clarence Roberts.
542
00:25:13,646 --> 00:25:16,348
I talked to both detectives
that was on the second fire.
543
00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:19,852
And from what they told me, I'd
say it was definitely Clarence.
544
00:25:19,952 --> 00:25:21,888
I still think Clarence
died in the first fire.
545
00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:25,091
I don't think Clarence Roberts
died in the second fire.
546
00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,793
I just don't believe that.
547
00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:30,563
I think Clarence
is still alive.
548
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:33,232
I sure do.
549
00:25:33,332 --> 00:25:35,134
The mystery of
Clarence Roberts death
550
00:25:35,234 --> 00:25:37,570
still haunts those who knew him.
551
00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:40,807
In the 1960s, he embodied
the American dream.
552
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,910
A former sheriff, a board member
of the Nashville State Bank,
553
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:46,312
he seemed to have it all.
554
00:25:46,412 --> 00:25:49,015
But something went
wrong for Clarence.
555
00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:51,618
His dreams became twisted
into a nightmarish saga
556
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:55,755
that has gone on for 18 years
and still continues today.
557
00:25:58,658 --> 00:26:00,359
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In the 1960s,
558
00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:02,394
Clarence owned a
prosperous hardware store
559
00:26:02,494 --> 00:26:04,897
along with his brother Carson.
560
00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:08,467
Clarence was well-respected,
everyone's friend.
561
00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:11,370
CARSON ROBERTS: He and I worked
together for about 22 years.
562
00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:12,772
Clarence always seemed
to be pretty happy.
563
00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:15,174
He enjoyed working.
564
00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:16,375
Clarence was outgoing.
565
00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,278
He was friendly, always
made friends with people,
566
00:26:19,378 --> 00:26:21,080
and always got
along with people.
567
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:22,381
Well, I'll tell you what.
568
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,350
You probably want to use one
of these for the shelving.
569
00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,985
And I've got some good
[inaudible] in the back.
570
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:27,119
Clarence worked hard.
571
00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:30,857
He put a lot of hours
in when he was younger.
572
00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:34,560
Clarence, uh, he
would help anyone.
573
00:26:34,661 --> 00:26:38,631
He would help you or anybody
if he thought you was in need.
574
00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,132
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Clarence and Geneva
575
00:26:40,232 --> 00:26:43,035
had been married since 1941.
576
00:26:43,135 --> 00:26:45,504
Geneva came from a poor family.
577
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:49,876
But together, she and Clarence
rose in Nashville society.
578
00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:53,145
With four sons and a
successful family business,
579
00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:56,082
the Roberts seemed to
be the perfect couple.
580
00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,685
He soon reached the 33rd
degree of the Masons,
581
00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:02,521
a rank commemorated by this
ring, which he wore proudly.
582
00:27:06,693 --> 00:27:10,663
Clarence's appetite for the
good life began to consume him.
583
00:27:10,763 --> 00:27:12,799
He purchased three
luxury cars and an
584
00:27:12,899 --> 00:27:15,835
expensive and fashionable home.
585
00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:20,439
But behind this facade of
wealth were heavy debts.
586
00:27:20,539 --> 00:27:25,611
MRS. ROBERTS: Clarence
changed a lot, he really did.
587
00:27:25,712 --> 00:27:28,580
I really can't describe
how different he would be.
588
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:34,854
It's like, um, turning a light
on and turning a light off.
589
00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:36,522
That was Clarence who
turned the light off.
590
00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:41,961
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): To finance
591
00:27:42,061 --> 00:27:45,031
his extravagant lifestyle,
Clarence sold his hardware
592
00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:47,599
business and gambled
everything on two property
593
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:50,469
investments, an
apartment building
594
00:27:50,569 --> 00:27:53,039
and several grain elevators.
595
00:27:53,139 --> 00:27:55,107
These investments failed.
596
00:27:55,207 --> 00:27:58,210
And by the fall of
1970, Clarence Roberts
597
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,280
knew he was in serious trouble.
598
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:04,050
MRS. ROBERTS: For all the
money that he was losing,
599
00:28:04,150 --> 00:28:07,119
everything going down the drain,
he was going for a millionaire
600
00:28:07,219 --> 00:28:09,055
or broke.
601
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:10,322
And he was ending up broke.
602
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:13,459
He was trying to pull out of it.
603
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,227
CLARENCE ROBERTS: Yeah,
Warren, I can see that you've
604
00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:16,628
come after the cars.
605
00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:18,664
Or go the guys, getting ready
to jump in and drive them away.
606
00:28:18,765 --> 00:28:20,666
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In October, 1970,
607
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:23,936
one month before the first
fire, Clarence and Geneva
608
00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:26,405
stood by as Sheriff
Warren Roberts,
609
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:29,175
Clarence's own brother,
repossessed two
610
00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:30,076
of his vehicles.
611
00:28:33,579 --> 00:28:35,081
CLARENCE ROBERTS: Thanks a lot.
612
00:28:35,181 --> 00:28:36,749
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Clarence and Geneva were
613
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:42,321
left desolate and desperate.
614
00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:44,423
BOB WHITE: He wasn't the
Clarence that I had always
615
00:28:44,523 --> 00:28:45,724
been used to being around.
616
00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:47,026
He was down.
617
00:28:47,126 --> 00:28:50,997
He was really depressed, and
I feel that he was suicidal.
618
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,467
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): At 6:20 PM
619
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:58,504
on the night of
November 18, 1970,
620
00:28:58,604 --> 00:29:00,606
firemen arrived to
find the garage barn
621
00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:02,041
of the Robert's home ablaze.
622
00:29:02,141 --> 00:29:03,242
FIREFIGHTER: Over
there, over there.
623
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:04,643
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The heat
624
00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:06,946
was so intense that they stood
helplessly by as the structure
625
00:29:07,046 --> 00:29:07,847
burned to the ground.
626
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:21,227
When the fire had cooled,
they made a grisly discovery.
627
00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:22,761
FIREFIGHTER: Chief,
come back here.
628
00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:24,396
I think we got a body.
629
00:29:24,496 --> 00:29:25,798
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
A body burned
630
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,567
beyond recognition laid
beneath the rubble,
631
00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:31,871
a half-melted
shotgun by its side.
632
00:29:31,971 --> 00:29:34,907
The body was so badly burned,
it was difficult to identify
633
00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:36,909
it as human.
634
00:29:37,009 --> 00:29:39,678
Jack Bond, the county
coroner, feared
635
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,748
that Clarence Roberts had
finally paid his debts
636
00:29:42,849 --> 00:29:44,216
by taking his own life.
637
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:48,654
JACK BOND: When we
found the body, why
638
00:29:48,754 --> 00:29:50,923
we thought he'd shot himself.
639
00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:53,359
There wasn't much
doubt in our minds
640
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,195
that he just got too many
worries ahead of him,
641
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,764
and he committed suicide.
642
00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,100
So when we got back down
to the funeral home,
643
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,137
why we started
looking for shots,
644
00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:08,340
and we couldn't find any.
645
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:13,079
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The police
646
00:30:13,179 --> 00:30:15,547
wondered how Clarence's suicide
could have been accomplished
647
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:18,550
without a gunshot wound.
648
00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:22,054
Detective Don Kuster
sifted through the debris.
649
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:26,092
Hidden in the ashes, he found
Clarence's Masonic ring.
650
00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:29,996
Despite the intense heat,
it was virtually undamaged.
651
00:30:30,096 --> 00:30:31,097
DET.
652
00:30:31,197 --> 00:30:33,199
SGT. DON KUSTER: The
ring, when it was found,
653
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:35,567
was in excellent shape.
654
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,636
The ring definitely
had no damage as far
655
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,371
as melting or anything on it.
656
00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:42,108
There's no way that ring
could have withstood
657
00:30:42,208 --> 00:30:45,311
the heat of that fire like
it did and not even have
658
00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:48,580
a damaged part on it at all
659
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,051
I definitely think
the ring was a plant.
660
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:54,053
It just, it had to be.
661
00:30:54,153 --> 00:30:56,588
It had to be.
662
00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:58,624
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): This
was only the first of a series
663
00:30:58,724 --> 00:31:00,826
of unusual discoveries.
664
00:31:00,927 --> 00:31:03,963
Investigators learned that
only months before the fire,
665
00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:07,466
Clarence had purchased several
insurance policies on his life,
666
00:31:07,566 --> 00:31:08,867
totaling close to $1 million.
667
00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:16,042
In addition, a test showed that
the body found in the blaze
668
00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:18,244
had type AB blood.
669
00:31:18,344 --> 00:31:22,181
Clarence's blood
type was B. If it
670
00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:24,283
wasn't the body of
Clarence Roberts,
671
00:31:24,383 --> 00:31:25,851
then who died in the fire?
672
00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:31,890
Two days before the blaze,
Clarence was spotted in a bar
673
00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:34,426
in the nearby community
of Morgantown,
674
00:31:34,526 --> 00:31:36,062
befriending a vagrant.
675
00:31:36,162 --> 00:31:37,463
DET.
676
00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:41,000
SGT. DON KUSTER: He'd been seen
on the 17th of November, 1970,
677
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,670
and from the witness, he
was described as about 5' 7"
678
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:45,871
to 5' 9".
679
00:31:45,972 --> 00:31:48,507
And he was about the
same age as Clarence.
680
00:31:48,607 --> 00:31:51,343
And Clarence was with him,
but he didn't know his name.
681
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:52,878
I've got some
grass needs cutting,
682
00:31:52,979 --> 00:31:55,781
a little brush needs
trimming out at the house.
683
00:31:55,881 --> 00:31:57,549
Would you be interested?
684
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:58,617
Yeah.
685
00:31:58,717 --> 00:31:59,751
CLARENCE ROBERTS:
Well, get in the car.
686
00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,020
And we'll go up-- come on.
687
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,588
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
As they were leaving,
688
00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:06,425
the man collapsed from
some unknown cause.
689
00:32:06,525 --> 00:32:07,826
DET.
690
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,795
SGT. DON KUSTER: Clarence said
he'd take him to the hospital.
691
00:32:09,895 --> 00:32:12,064
And Clarence left with him.
692
00:32:12,164 --> 00:32:14,366
And later on, I
checked the hospitals
693
00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,635
within a 300-mile
radius and this man
694
00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:17,869
was not admitted to a hospital.
695
00:32:22,874 --> 00:32:25,311
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two
theories divided Nashville.
696
00:32:25,411 --> 00:32:27,946
One that Clarence
had killed himself,
697
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:30,382
and second that he murdered
the vagrant in order
698
00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:33,819
to collect the insurance money.
699
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,455
It is even claimed he
watched from the woods
700
00:32:36,555 --> 00:32:39,525
as the flames destroyed
the evidence of his crime.
701
00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:44,063
BOB WHITE: Suicidal, yes.
702
00:32:44,163 --> 00:32:46,432
But to commit murder, no way.
703
00:32:46,532 --> 00:32:48,667
I can't believe he could
have any part of that.
704
00:32:48,767 --> 00:32:54,140
It must be hard, be beyond
my wildest imagination
705
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,808
to think that Clarence Roberts
could ever have been involved
706
00:32:56,908 --> 00:32:59,645
with anything like that.
707
00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:03,315
Definitely, definitely
he was capable of it.
708
00:33:08,054 --> 00:33:09,088
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Clarence
709
00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,690
was either dead or missing.
710
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,060
And Geneva Roberts
was left alone.
711
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,961
Her fortune changing
dramatically
712
00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:18,964
from riches back to rags.
713
00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:21,967
She was forced to move
to the outskirts of town.
714
00:33:22,068 --> 00:33:25,104
And her claims to the insurance
money were repeatedly denied.
715
00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:32,178
Geneva was not alone in
maintaining that Clarence
716
00:33:32,278 --> 00:33:34,180
had died in the first fire.
717
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,150
John Pless, a prominent
pathologist, agreed with her.
718
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:42,188
DR. JOHN PLESS: It wasn't until
1978 that the attorneys came
719
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,590
to me to review the
reports of the experts
720
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,925
who'd examined the evidence.
721
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:51,563
And in the process, I was able
to prove to myself and to a lot
722
00:33:51,663 --> 00:33:56,068
of other people that the body
that was found in that garage
723
00:33:56,168 --> 00:33:58,036
was Clarence.
724
00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,672
And I testified at the
time of the civil trial
725
00:34:00,772 --> 00:34:02,774
against the insurance
companies that I
726
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:07,012
felt it was highly probable
that it was Clarence Roberts.
727
00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,914
Mrs. Roberts, you
have lost your case
728
00:34:09,014 --> 00:34:10,582
against the insurance company.
729
00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:13,185
You have only the
recourse of an appeal.
730
00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:15,554
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Despite Dr. Pless' testimony,
731
00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:18,924
Geneva lost all of her appeals.
732
00:34:19,024 --> 00:34:20,459
DR. JOHN PLESS: The
people that I was involved
733
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:24,496
with in that trial were
decimated emotionally
734
00:34:24,596 --> 00:34:26,765
by the judge's ruling.
735
00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:32,871
I couldn't realize why the judge
had made the ruling he had.
736
00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:34,173
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
These denials
737
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,608
took their toll on Geneva.
738
00:34:36,708 --> 00:34:38,410
Withdrawing from her
friends and neighbors,
739
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:42,281
she became the subject
of local gossip.
740
00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:44,250
In order to make
ends meet, Geneva
741
00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:48,354
had to take a job in the
kitchen of a local restaurant.
742
00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:50,189
Then the rumors began.
743
00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:53,392
Local shopkeepers said that they
had sold her large quantities
744
00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:57,363
of beer, surprising, considering
Geneva was a diabetic
745
00:34:57,463 --> 00:34:59,598
and seldom drank beer.
746
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:02,734
Some said Geneva was
not alone, and neighbors
747
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,337
began to report seeing
someone on the grounds
748
00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,273
of Geneva's home.
749
00:35:07,373 --> 00:35:11,076
We had developed information
that a man had been
750
00:35:11,177 --> 00:35:13,812
seen behind Geneva's residence.
751
00:35:17,249 --> 00:35:19,185
The man acted very
strangely and never
752
00:35:19,285 --> 00:35:20,952
let anyone get close to him.
753
00:35:21,052 --> 00:35:22,988
And he always seemed
to duck away from them
754
00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:25,157
and head back toward
the house immediately.
755
00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:32,731
Myself and some other officers
set up a surveillance.
756
00:35:32,831 --> 00:35:34,400
We were down there
for approximately
757
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:36,535
three days and three nights.
758
00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,905
We were photographing
everyone coming and going
759
00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:42,774
in and around Geneva's house.
760
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:44,210
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
They saw nothing,
761
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,278
but they knew who
they were looking for.
762
00:35:46,378 --> 00:35:47,513
DET.
763
00:35:47,613 --> 00:35:49,248
DAVE ANDERSON: I'm sure
that was probably Clarence.
764
00:35:49,348 --> 00:35:54,085
I think he had perhaps run
out of places to go, you know.
765
00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:58,123
And he had come back
to staying with Geneva.
766
00:35:58,224 --> 00:36:02,428
He was the mysterious man that
was seen behind her house.
767
00:36:02,528 --> 00:36:04,763
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A
local reporter, Helen Ayers,
768
00:36:04,863 --> 00:36:06,865
had grown friendly with Geneva.
769
00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:11,237
She felt that Geneva was
hiding something or someone.
770
00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,138
HELEN AYERS: I stopped at her
house probably four or five
771
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,540
different times.
772
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,908
And she always met
me at the back porch
773
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:19,411
and would never invite me in.
774
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:20,679
And most people do.
775
00:36:20,779 --> 00:36:22,648
I mean, around here, it's
just a matter of courtesy
776
00:36:22,748 --> 00:36:24,716
to ask you to step inside.
777
00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:26,718
But she never did that.
778
00:36:26,818 --> 00:36:28,254
And it kind of made
me suspect there
779
00:36:28,354 --> 00:36:30,155
might be a man living in there.
780
00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:31,056
[greetings]
781
00:36:32,891 --> 00:36:36,795
I interviewed Clarence's sister,
who lived in the adjacent yard
782
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,163
there.
783
00:36:38,264 --> 00:36:42,568
And she said that she could
hear Geneva talking to this man.
784
00:36:42,668 --> 00:36:46,938
And she said it definitely
was not Clarence's voice.
785
00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,307
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Nobody knows
786
00:36:48,407 --> 00:36:52,678
for certain what Geneva Roberts
was trying to hide or whom.
787
00:36:52,778 --> 00:36:56,214
Her reclusive life went on
uneventfully until the night
788
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:59,150
of November 18, 1980.
789
00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:01,152
[sound of flames crackling]
790
00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:02,120
[sirens]
791
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:12,964
DET.
792
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:16,167
DAVE ANDERSON: When my
office called and explained
793
00:37:16,268 --> 00:37:18,770
that it was Geneva's
house on fire,
794
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:22,541
and that they thought Geneva
was still inside the house,
795
00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:25,076
I went right to the fire scene.
796
00:37:25,176 --> 00:37:31,617
And the fire was still burning
very intensely at that time.
797
00:37:31,717 --> 00:37:35,887
After the fire was extinguished,
why, we just stayed behind
798
00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,524
and I'm not even sure why.
799
00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:42,694
I just wanted to look further,
as did, I'm sure, the firemen.
800
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:47,966
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Sifting
801
00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:49,801
through the ashes,
searchers found
802
00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:52,203
the body of Geneva Roberts.
803
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:55,607
Hours later, they made
another shocking discovery.
804
00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:56,608
DET.
805
00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,377
DAVE ANDERSON:
Geneva's body had been
806
00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:03,148
removed to the funeral home, and
the fire had been extinguished.
807
00:38:03,248 --> 00:38:06,151
The house was
totally demolished.
808
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:08,320
So we'd gone through the
rubble, and a fireman
809
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:12,758
had located a second body in
another part of the house.
810
00:38:12,858 --> 00:38:19,465
And I was just so certain that
it would be that of Clarence.
811
00:38:19,565 --> 00:38:20,599
DR. JOHN PLESS: I
didn't even have
812
00:38:20,699 --> 00:38:21,967
to have the comparison films.
813
00:38:22,067 --> 00:38:25,036
I knew the bony configuration
of Clarence Roberts
814
00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:29,274
so well that I recognized him
immediately by his chest X-ray.
815
00:38:32,077 --> 00:38:34,980
Now I knew that I was going
to have a difficult time
816
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,718
to tell all my friends
and neighbors in the world
817
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:45,023
that Clarence was dead
for the second time.
818
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,794
It just, um, turned
out to be Clarence.
819
00:38:48,894 --> 00:38:52,030
And I was very pleased
with that, that this
820
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:54,600
might be coming to an end.
821
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,236
Little did I know that
it was just starting.
822
00:38:58,336 --> 00:39:01,407
This was definitely a set
fire caused by an accelerant.
823
00:39:01,507 --> 00:39:04,242
It looks like someone
just came in the back door
824
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,678
and poured all the
way around the walls.
825
00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:08,046
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The second fire
826
00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:09,781
was a clear-cut case of arson.
827
00:39:09,881 --> 00:39:10,882
DET.
828
00:39:10,982 --> 00:39:13,084
DAVE ANDERSON: We could
follow very clearly
829
00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:17,322
these burn patterns
from Geneva's bed
830
00:39:17,423 --> 00:39:19,958
into the adjacent room
where Clarence's body was
831
00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:24,730
located and then down a
hallway and out the back door
832
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:26,732
of that house.
833
00:39:26,832 --> 00:39:31,169
So we determined right
there that at least
834
00:39:31,269 --> 00:39:32,804
Geneva had been murdered.
835
00:39:35,607 --> 00:39:42,548
We're sure that turpentine
was used to ignite this fire.
836
00:39:42,648 --> 00:39:43,515
We know that.
837
00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:47,318
We simply don't
know who started it,
838
00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:49,988
whether it was Clarence
that started the fire
839
00:39:50,088 --> 00:39:53,024
or that of a third party.
840
00:39:53,124 --> 00:39:55,627
I subscribe to the
theory of a third party.
841
00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,566
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Investigators have no clue
842
00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,868
as to who set the second fire.
843
00:40:02,968 --> 00:40:06,104
But they believe they have
identified the victim.
844
00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:07,038
DET.
845
00:40:07,138 --> 00:40:08,940
DAVE ANDERSON:
Oh, I'm absolutely
846
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,577
convinced that
the second victim,
847
00:40:11,677 --> 00:40:14,813
the victim in the second fire,
is that of Clarence Roberts.
848
00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:16,748
There's just no
doubt in my mind.
849
00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:19,851
There's not a doubt
in my mind at all.
850
00:40:19,951 --> 00:40:23,755
I still would like to know
who the second body was.
851
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:26,057
Because I still can't
believe it's Clarence.
852
00:40:26,157 --> 00:40:29,495
The pathologist says it is.
853
00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,096
But I still don't,
me personally, I
854
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:34,800
don't believe that the
second fire was Clarence.
855
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,536
I'm absolutely convinced
that Clarence Roberts died
856
00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:40,472
in the second fire,
and that some person,
857
00:40:40,572 --> 00:40:45,243
possibly a derelict,
died in the first fire.
858
00:40:45,343 --> 00:40:50,582
And when I say absolutely,
I mean that this is not only
859
00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:53,451
a reasonable medical
certainty, but would
860
00:40:53,552 --> 00:40:54,686
be beyond a shadow of a doubt.
861
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,695
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Today in this small cemetery,
862
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:06,397
the mystery of Clarence
Roberts lies buried,
863
00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:10,902
still defying explanation
after almost 20 years.
864
00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,605
Who was the man
in the first fire?
865
00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,708
Who set the second fire and why?
866
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:20,178
Who was the mysterious
figure seen at Geneva's home,
867
00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:22,714
and why did she
hide his identity?
868
00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:27,285
And the key question,
where's Clarence Roberts?
869
00:41:27,385 --> 00:41:29,387
Is he in this grave?
870
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,489
Some family members
are doubtful,
871
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:35,927
and they protested when this
headstone was put in place.
872
00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:39,931
Whoever it is that rests
beneath this Midwestern Earth
873
00:41:40,031 --> 00:41:41,432
will never tell his tale.
874
00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:46,171
Next, a Florida
bank robber who has
875
00:41:46,271 --> 00:41:48,540
successfully robbed 30 banks.
876
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,408
The police call him "Fumbles."
877
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:52,010
You'll see why in a moment.
878
00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:56,381
[theme music]
879
00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:04,990
Since July 12, 1984,
a robber wearing gloves
880
00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,292
and a baseball cap has
held up nearly 30 banks
881
00:42:07,392 --> 00:42:08,694
throughout Florida.
882
00:42:08,794 --> 00:42:10,862
But as we will see,
this felon has succeeded
883
00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:12,664
almost in spite of himself.
884
00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:16,301
But the authorities
know him as "Fumbles."
885
00:42:16,401 --> 00:42:17,535
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): This robber
886
00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,470
hits small suburban
banks, usually
887
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:21,907
in outdoor shopping malls.
888
00:42:22,007 --> 00:42:25,443
Besides a cap and gloves, he has
another distinctive trademark.
889
00:42:28,947 --> 00:42:32,651
LARRY CURTIN: He was given the
nickname early on of "Fumbles"
890
00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:35,854
because in the first
robbery, when he came in,
891
00:42:35,954 --> 00:42:39,324
he got inside the bank, drew
the weapon, held it in his hand,
892
00:42:39,424 --> 00:42:41,426
and proceeded to trip and fall.
893
00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:43,461
The gun went out of his hand.
894
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:45,063
And he had to kind
of scrabble and pick
895
00:42:45,163 --> 00:42:47,398
it back up, at
which time he then
896
00:42:47,498 --> 00:42:49,668
proceeded with the robbery.
897
00:42:49,768 --> 00:42:51,202
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In a second robbery,
898
00:42:51,302 --> 00:42:55,841
"Fumbles" even had trouble
keeping his mask in place.
899
00:42:55,941 --> 00:42:58,243
LARRY CURTIN: Approximately
a month later, he
900
00:42:58,343 --> 00:43:00,846
dropped some of the money
on the way out of the bank,
901
00:43:00,946 --> 00:43:02,748
had to stop, pick
it up, and then
902
00:43:02,848 --> 00:43:04,415
proceed with his getaway plans.
903
00:43:07,886 --> 00:43:09,454
This is a robbery.
904
00:43:09,554 --> 00:43:10,656
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The police
905
00:43:10,756 --> 00:43:12,157
admit to a certain
amount of amusement
906
00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:14,092
at their adversary's clumsiness.
907
00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:18,664
His 30 armed robberies
are no laughing matter.
908
00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,900
DONNA ROSE: I think I
was rather in shock.
909
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,870
I had never been robbed before.
- Hurry up.
910
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:27,172
DONNA ROSE: I did think
about my children.
911
00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:28,974
Who's going to raise my
children because they
912
00:43:29,074 --> 00:43:31,943
were very young at the time.
913
00:43:32,043 --> 00:43:36,782
About two nights later, in bed
in the middle of the night,
914
00:43:36,882 --> 00:43:39,250
and I was lying there alone,
and my two children were,
915
00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:43,889
one was in a crib and one was in
her bed, I thought, oh my god.
916
00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:51,196
TELLER: He pulled a gun, walked
up to me, put it in my face,
917
00:43:51,296 --> 00:43:53,431
and said, don't do
anything stupid.
918
00:43:53,531 --> 00:43:54,332
Don't do anything stupid.
919
00:43:58,003 --> 00:44:01,673
TELLER: He put a paper
sack on the counter,
920
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:03,174
told me to put the money in it.
921
00:44:07,412 --> 00:44:09,915
I put all the money in
it, gave it back to him.
922
00:44:10,015 --> 00:44:13,251
He turned around and
walked out the door.
923
00:44:13,351 --> 00:44:18,656
I was mad, and then I was
scared because I realized
924
00:44:18,757 --> 00:44:21,126
that he could have hurt me.
925
00:44:21,226 --> 00:44:22,694
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Update, the "Fumbles"
926
00:44:22,794 --> 00:44:24,429
robber has been captured.
927
00:44:24,529 --> 00:44:27,265
Within minutes of our broadcast,
a Clearwater, Florida, police
928
00:44:27,365 --> 00:44:29,367
department received a call
from one of our viewers
929
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:31,803
who recognized
"Fumbles" as Ross James
930
00:44:31,903 --> 00:44:36,441
Preston, a 23-year-old
student living in Clearwater.
931
00:44:36,541 --> 00:44:41,246
On May 24, 1989, FBI agents,
Clearwater police officers,
932
00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,081
and Pinellas County
Sheriff's deputies
933
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:47,552
arrested Preston while he was
test driving a pickup truck.
934
00:44:47,652 --> 00:44:51,356
A search by warrant was made
of the vehicle Mr. Preston was
935
00:44:51,456 --> 00:44:54,059
driving when he was arrested.
936
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,930
Inside the vehicle were found
a ball cap with the letters
937
00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:01,299
CAT on the cap.
938
00:45:01,399 --> 00:45:05,737
Also found were a pair of
gardening gloves and a pair
939
00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:09,274
of sunglasses and a jacket.
940
00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,210
These were very
similar to items which
941
00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:15,546
were observed being
worn by the bank
942
00:45:15,646 --> 00:45:18,683
robber we called "Fumbles."
943
00:45:18,784 --> 00:45:20,018
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
On August 2nd,
944
00:45:20,118 --> 00:45:21,953
Ross James Preston
admitted to committing
945
00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:23,688
33 armed bank robberies.
946
00:45:23,789 --> 00:45:26,257
But as part of a plea bargain,
he was charged with only seven
947
00:45:26,357 --> 00:45:27,492
of the hold-ups.
948
00:45:27,592 --> 00:45:30,395
He has since been sentenced
to 25 years in prison.
949
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:47,345
For every mystery,
there is someone
950
00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:49,647
somewhere who knows the truth.
951
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,249
Perhaps that
someone is watching.
952
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:53,051
Perhaps it's you.
953
00:45:53,151 --> 00:45:55,186
[theme music]
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