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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:11,372 --> 00:01:12,673 Yes, sir. 2 00:01:12,706 --> 00:01:14,408 - Just pull down here. 3 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,322 West Virginia was in the midst 4 00:01:28,356 --> 00:01:32,526 of the largest drinking water crisis in recent US history. 5 00:01:33,927 --> 00:01:36,630 National news had been covering the chaos, 6 00:01:36,664 --> 00:01:39,667 but no one knew why this had happened. 7 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:41,569 - President Obama approved a disaster declaration 8 00:01:41,602 --> 00:01:42,870 for West Virginia. 9 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:45,839 Nine counties are dealing with a chemical spill 10 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:47,875 that contaminated the water supply. 11 00:01:47,908 --> 00:01:50,478 - Roughly 300,000 people in West Virginia 12 00:01:50,511 --> 00:01:52,313 have been without tap water. 13 00:01:52,346 --> 00:01:53,314 The rush for water was immediate. 14 00:01:53,347 --> 00:01:56,350 After that sold out, so did juice, soft drinks, 15 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:59,720 anything liquid, leaving customers scrambling for ice. 16 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:00,621 What are you gonna do 17 00:02:00,654 --> 00:02:01,555 about showering or cleaning or bathing? 18 00:02:01,589 --> 00:02:04,225 - Well, honey, you gonna melt this down. 19 00:02:04,258 --> 00:02:05,326 That's what you gonna do. 20 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:06,460 Like you did back in them old days. 21 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:07,461 Put 'em in a little tub. 22 00:02:07,495 --> 00:02:09,530 Put 'em in there, and just take a, you know, 23 00:02:09,563 --> 00:02:10,531 like a birdbath. 24 00:02:10,564 --> 00:02:11,832 700 people in the Charleston area 25 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:13,567 have called poison control centers. 26 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,436 - The smell was so strong 27 00:02:15,469 --> 00:02:18,472 that we had to actually cover our faces up. 28 00:02:18,506 --> 00:02:20,341 - I think there should be a thorough investigation 29 00:02:20,374 --> 00:02:23,277 of what happened and why this incident happened 30 00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:25,145 at Freedom Industries. 31 00:02:41,829 --> 00:02:44,398 - I'd say if they knew more about the chemical itself, 32 00:02:44,432 --> 00:02:47,401 that's probably what's got so many people 33 00:02:47,435 --> 00:02:49,370 scared to death now. 34 00:02:49,403 --> 00:02:52,340 Nobody knows that much about it. 35 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:54,708 The water company people, you'd think they coulda figured 36 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:58,612 out what's safe, what's not safe, before they fired them 37 00:02:58,646 --> 00:03:00,714 intakes up and polluted every water line 38 00:03:00,748 --> 00:03:02,583 throughout the valley. 39 00:03:08,456 --> 00:03:11,225 Yeah, you're coming up on it. 40 00:03:11,259 --> 00:03:14,362 It's got a hole rusted through it. 41 00:03:14,395 --> 00:03:17,931 See, they've got all this containment boom in here. 42 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:21,935 That's probably where it was breaking outta the wall. 43 00:03:21,969 --> 00:03:23,604 You'd think these people woulda cared more 44 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:28,309 and do more visual inspections to prevent something 45 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:29,977 like this from ever happening. 46 00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:33,281 They knew the water company was just down the road. 47 00:03:33,314 --> 00:03:35,783 It'll probably take 'em months, but they'll cut all them 48 00:03:35,816 --> 00:03:39,987 tanks up and haul it to scrap, make one big field out of it. 49 00:03:41,289 --> 00:03:42,556 As long as it's settin' there, 50 00:03:42,590 --> 00:03:44,525 the people is gonna remember it. 51 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:45,526 And that's the main thing. 52 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:47,895 They want it all to go away. 53 00:04:04,412 --> 00:04:06,914 - We've had the daughter to the hospital. 54 00:04:06,947 --> 00:04:10,017 She had a severe rash, and her neck started to swell, 55 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:12,553 and it doubled in size. 56 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:14,988 Is this your first trip to Charleston? 57 00:04:15,022 --> 00:04:16,590 - I haven't been to Charleston before, 58 00:04:16,624 --> 00:04:19,059 but I used to come to West Virginia when I was a kid. 59 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,495 We had family here, my uncle. 60 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:25,733 He passed away when I was 10. 61 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:29,437 I haven't been back here since, but I remember loving it. 62 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:32,039 He taught me how to shoot a bow and arrow, 63 00:04:32,072 --> 00:04:33,574 and played in streams. 64 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:36,410 It was kind of a novelty, being from California. 65 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:38,579 We don't get a lot of water. 66 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:41,515 I still can't believe you guys lived so close 67 00:04:41,549 --> 00:04:42,983 to Freedom Industries. 68 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:44,552 You mind if we go up there? 69 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,954 - Sure, we can go, if you like. 70 00:04:50,023 --> 00:04:51,459 Oh, there you go, there's the smell. 71 00:04:51,492 --> 00:04:53,327 - Yeah, you smell that now, do ya? 72 00:04:53,361 --> 00:04:54,528 Whoa. 73 00:04:54,562 --> 00:04:56,864 - This is a detergent for coal. 74 00:04:56,897 --> 00:04:58,632 The chemical that leaked out. 75 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:01,435 But you know, this is really just a drop in the bucket 76 00:05:01,469 --> 00:05:04,405 because we live in chemical valley. 77 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:09,443 You know, have you heard that term yet? 78 00:05:22,456 --> 00:05:24,625 Oh shit, I totally forgot. 79 00:05:28,596 --> 00:05:30,564 It seemed that within the chemical valley, 80 00:05:30,598 --> 00:05:34,034 Freedom Industries was a relatively small company. 81 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:35,569 Their primary business was buying, 82 00:05:35,603 --> 00:05:38,071 selling, and mixing chemicals. 83 00:05:38,105 --> 00:05:40,541 They hadn't talked to any reporters 84 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:44,077 since their last press conference the 85 00:05:44,111 --> 00:05:46,647 - Our intent is to be totally-- 86 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,681 Stay in front of the microphone. 87 00:05:47,715 --> 00:05:48,982 - Oh, okay. - Look at us. 88 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:49,950 - Okay. 89 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:52,453 Are there no systems in place 90 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:56,790 to alert you of a leak at your facility other than a smell? 91 00:05:56,824 --> 00:05:57,991 - At this moment in time, 92 00:05:58,025 --> 00:06:00,461 I think that's all we have time for, so thanks for coming. 93 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:01,495 Thanks for your time. 94 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:02,463 - Woah, woah, woah. - We have more questions. 95 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:03,597 Hey, hey, hey. 96 00:06:03,631 --> 00:06:05,566 It was a PR disaster, and it had a pronounced 97 00:06:05,599 --> 00:06:08,436 effect on the people I spoke to in town. 98 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:10,103 So, if this was a whodunit mystery-- 99 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:11,539 - There's no whodunit. 100 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:13,741 Freedom Industries did it. 101 00:06:14,908 --> 00:06:17,478 They are the sole culprit. 102 00:06:17,511 --> 00:06:19,447 So if this happens again in the future, 103 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,516 we would say that that other company was the sole culprit? 104 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:23,651 - Most certainly. 105 00:06:23,684 --> 00:06:25,553 Who are you gonna blame? 106 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:27,588 - It's just unconscionable that Freedom Industry could not 107 00:06:27,621 --> 00:06:30,524 have known about the leak, did not report the leak, 108 00:06:30,558 --> 00:06:32,793 and did not know how much the leak had happened. 109 00:06:32,826 --> 00:06:33,927 It's unconscionable to me. 110 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:38,131 My outrage and everybody else's outrage should be that. 111 00:06:54,047 --> 00:06:55,649 The water company and state officials 112 00:06:55,683 --> 00:06:59,520 waited more than six hours before informing the public. 113 00:06:59,553 --> 00:07:02,923 But ultimately, they had little choice. 114 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:05,959 The smell demanded an explanation. 115 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:08,529 Regarding the Freedom Industry site, 116 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:10,498 we will not be making any comments. 117 00:07:10,531 --> 00:07:14,067 Nor will it be permitting access to the site. 118 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:18,672 It didn't require an engineer to see 119 00:07:18,706 --> 00:07:21,542 that the tanks and walls were falling apart. 120 00:07:21,575 --> 00:07:23,511 But why was an industrial facility 121 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:25,746 even allowed to get this bad? 122 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:32,953 Was the story of Freedom Industries just a distraction? 123 00:07:36,890 --> 00:07:39,126 - We have enough regulations on the books, 124 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:41,061 and what the administration oughta be doing 125 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:42,963 is actually doing their jobs. 126 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:45,899 Why wasn't this plant inspected since 1991? 127 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,637 I am entirely confident that there are ample regulations 128 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,805 already on the books to protect the health 129 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:54,141 and safety of the American people. 130 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:57,578 Somebody ought to be held accountable here. 131 00:07:57,611 --> 00:08:00,614 - Well, a lot has been made over, 132 00:08:00,648 --> 00:08:03,050 well, DEP, you haven't been to the site since '92 133 00:08:03,083 --> 00:08:06,520 or maybe you've only been two times in the 2000s. 134 00:08:06,554 --> 00:08:11,224 And right, wrong, or indifferent, simply visiting 135 00:08:11,258 --> 00:08:14,962 those sites would not have prevented this problem. 136 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:17,197 The DEP, or Department of Environmental 137 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:20,901 Protection, regulates all of the industry in the state. 138 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,637 They're essentially the environmental policemen. 139 00:08:23,671 --> 00:08:25,673 Randy Huffman, he's in charge of it, 140 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:28,308 and he plays a major role in this story. 141 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:30,578 Let's say, in the instance of Freedom, 142 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:33,146 you had gone and inspected the tanks. 143 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,281 What would that have revealed? 144 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:37,818 - We would've probably walked the site, looked for the 145 00:08:37,851 --> 00:08:41,054 obvious, evidence of material leaking from the tanks, 146 00:08:41,088 --> 00:08:43,557 visible holes in the secondary containment. 147 00:08:43,591 --> 00:08:45,025 But there were visible holes. 148 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:45,893 - I, I, I, 149 00:08:46,894 --> 00:08:49,863 it's unfortunate, you know, assigning, trying, 150 00:08:49,897 --> 00:08:52,165 the blame is on Freedom. 151 00:08:52,199 --> 00:08:56,336 The blame is on the company for having tanks 152 00:08:56,369 --> 00:08:59,039 that were not up to any kind of standard. 153 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:01,675 I mean, I'm reluctant to say this on camera. 154 00:09:01,709 --> 00:09:03,611 I joked to somebody about this the other day. 155 00:09:03,644 --> 00:09:06,013 It takes cigarettes 30 or 40 years to kill ya. 156 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:09,817 I can't imagine that, you know, a couple days of MCHM, 157 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:11,819 well, but, that's not even, I just say that in jest 158 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:13,286 because it's not fair for me to say. 159 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,023 I'm not a health professional. 160 00:09:20,694 --> 00:09:24,832 - Hey, this is Dr. Gupta from the Health Department. 161 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:26,233 So, there is very limited information 162 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,268 on this chemical to begin with. 163 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:31,639 We're seeing people are suffering on the 164 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:33,874 I don't have a lot to offer them right now. 165 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:35,676 They have faith in me, and that's the reason 166 00:09:35,709 --> 00:09:37,611 they are calling me. 167 00:09:37,645 --> 00:09:39,847 You sent me an email about somebody calling 168 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,683 about their 97-year-old grandmother? 169 00:09:42,716 --> 00:09:44,618 Dr. Gupta runs the local health department. 170 00:09:44,652 --> 00:09:46,654 He also turns out to be the other 171 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:49,657 major player in this story. 172 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:51,391 For some reason, he was the only official 173 00:09:51,424 --> 00:09:53,894 who seemed concerned that this chemical 174 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,664 might have negative health effects. 175 00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,699 - I'm not keeping any registry at this point, 176 00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:00,333 and the reason for that is that 177 00:10:00,367 --> 00:10:02,302 we're not getting a lot of support from a lot of people. 178 00:10:02,335 --> 00:10:03,704 Resistance from people who don't want 179 00:10:03,737 --> 00:10:05,639 to know what's going on. 180 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:08,275 Obviously, the folks at state and federal level 181 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:11,178 are so strongly convinced that there are going 182 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:14,281 to be no long term impacts of this. 183 00:10:14,314 --> 00:10:15,548 I have not yet found the evidence 184 00:10:15,582 --> 00:10:20,220 on which they've based their, such strong convictions upon. 185 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,332 Spell your name for me and your correct title. 186 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:35,669 - Laura Jordan, L-A-U-R-A J-O-R-D-A-N. 187 00:10:35,703 --> 00:10:39,072 External Affairs Manager for West Virginia American Water. 188 00:10:39,106 --> 00:10:40,941 Is the water safe? 189 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:41,942 - Yes. 190 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:43,376 The water is safe to drink. 191 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,415 - I want to issue a challenge to all the experts 192 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,684 and officials that are testing our water 193 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:51,685 and tellin' us it's safe. 194 00:10:51,719 --> 00:10:53,320 Whatever they're tellin' us to do with the water, 195 00:10:53,353 --> 00:10:55,823 you do it first, and I'll be happy to follow. 196 00:10:55,856 --> 00:10:56,957 - It still smells like licorice. 197 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:58,792 I just poured this this morning straight from the tap. 198 00:10:58,826 --> 00:11:01,294 Even though the water still had an odor, 199 00:11:01,328 --> 00:11:04,431 officials were saying it was saying it was safe for use. 200 00:11:04,464 --> 00:11:07,735 - I want help for my daughter that's sick from this. 201 00:11:07,768 --> 00:11:09,002 This was thanks to a determination 202 00:11:09,036 --> 00:11:13,206 that had been made by the CDC or Centers for Disease Control 203 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,744 who said that one part of MCHM per one millions parts 204 00:11:16,777 --> 00:11:19,947 of water or one PPM was okay to drink. 205 00:11:21,048 --> 00:11:23,450 This is the equivalent of squeezing one drop of MCHM 206 00:11:23,483 --> 00:11:25,753 into a 10 gallon fish tank. 207 00:11:26,386 --> 00:11:28,088 But here's what's strange. 208 00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:30,190 Only a few days later, they issued a statement 209 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:32,860 advising pregnant women to find an alternate 210 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:37,064 drinking water source due to a limited availability of data. 211 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:41,334 - I'm not saying the water's safe. 212 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,203 They're saying the water's safe. 213 00:11:43,236 --> 00:11:46,373 The water company's saying the water is safe. 214 00:11:46,406 --> 00:11:48,441 The CDC is saying the water is safe. 215 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:51,078 When people shower or use the water other ways, 216 00:11:51,111 --> 00:11:55,282 they're having self-reported associations with rashes, 217 00:11:56,183 --> 00:11:58,986 eye irritations, asthma attacks. 218 00:11:59,019 --> 00:12:02,289 We should be more forthright and say, 219 00:12:02,322 --> 00:12:06,526 we cannot tell you if this is not related to the chemical, 220 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,262 but we're sure gonna find out. 221 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,770 With its 15 million customers, 222 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:19,372 American Water is the biggest private water company 223 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,541 in the United States. 224 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,878 And their Charleston operation services the largest area 225 00:12:24,912 --> 00:12:28,916 on the East Coast, more than 2,500 square miles. 226 00:12:29,582 --> 00:12:33,253 And water here is some of the most expensive in the country. 227 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:37,490 But looking around, neither of these facts made any sense 228 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:39,927 because water was everywhere. 229 00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:44,932 Why were people paying so much money to pump 230 00:12:44,965 --> 00:12:49,136 water halfway across the state from a single source? 231 00:12:50,537 --> 00:12:51,504 Get out of that water. 232 00:12:51,538 --> 00:12:53,473 I ain't tellin' you no more. 233 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:56,476 - I've been drinkin' it since they lifted the do not use, 234 00:12:56,509 --> 00:12:58,478 but nobody else in the household will. 235 00:12:58,511 --> 00:13:01,281 We're supposed to trust these people to provide us 236 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:03,350 with clean, safe drinking water. 237 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,252 Then we got a creek right here that just had 108 238 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:07,520 gallons of slurry go down it. 239 00:13:07,554 --> 00:13:08,421 I'm all for coal. 240 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,925 I'm 100% for coal, 100% against Obama. 241 00:13:11,959 --> 00:13:13,393 I guess in a lot of ways I'm just fed up with things 242 00:13:13,426 --> 00:13:16,396 happenin' around here, but I can't go nowhere 'cause I don't 243 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:19,399 know how to do anything other than mine coal. 244 00:13:24,437 --> 00:13:26,106 - You used to never have a problem. 245 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:29,376 Then they put mines up here, mines up here and stuff, 246 00:13:29,409 --> 00:13:31,378 and all that sludge and whatever they use. 247 00:13:31,411 --> 00:13:32,245 - Slurry. 248 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:34,214 - Even into the aquifer it's dripping, 249 00:13:34,247 --> 00:13:38,518 and then for years they said, oh it smells funny. 250 00:13:38,551 --> 00:13:41,054 But it's okay to drink it. 251 00:13:41,088 --> 00:13:45,092 Half the people in this trailer park died from cancer. 252 00:13:45,125 --> 00:13:46,026 That's why they changed 253 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:46,994 all these - And the well ain't no good. 254 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:49,897 to city water. - To city water and the next 255 00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:51,431 thing you know, well, we're gettin' 256 00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:53,967 contaminated freakin' water. 257 00:14:09,917 --> 00:14:11,952 - Even your clothes will look like that. 258 00:14:15,688 --> 00:14:18,525 - This is what come out of the spigot. 259 00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:31,138 - I guess the water started back with the coal mines, 260 00:14:31,171 --> 00:14:33,373 which was about a mile down the road here, 261 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:36,143 which my grandfather worked in. 262 00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:39,312 And my dad worked in it, and I worked in it. 263 00:14:39,346 --> 00:14:41,949 The mines has done good up until just recently. 264 00:14:41,982 --> 00:14:43,583 You start lookin' back at some of the things 265 00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:47,287 that's happenin' to you or to other people, 266 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,521 and the sickness that's goin' on. 267 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:53,026 When I wake up in the morning, I think if I'm still living 268 00:14:54,161 --> 00:14:56,563 I think it's a great day. 269 00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,244 Besides coal, the other big industry here 270 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:14,714 is chemical, and it was still unclear if the industry 271 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:18,518 at large had played a role in this crisis. 272 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:27,394 Chemical alley is about a 25 mile stretch of the 273 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:29,529 Kanawha River that has tons of chemical 274 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,498 manufacturing facilities on it. 275 00:15:31,531 --> 00:15:34,501 For your all's knowledge, people see cameras, and they think 276 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:37,704 they kind of like, job security. 277 00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,107 So some people are friendly and welcoming of it, 278 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:43,310 but a lot of people aren't because it gets bad publicity. 279 00:15:43,343 --> 00:15:45,345 The plant's gonna shut down, and they're not 280 00:15:45,378 --> 00:15:48,215 gonna be able to feed their kids. 281 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,450 That's where the coal-fired power plant is 282 00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:52,552 that they have for that facility. 283 00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:55,555 This is where they dump all the toxic stuff, 284 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:57,090 and actually for a long time they didn't know 285 00:15:57,124 --> 00:15:59,292 what Union Carbide dumped. 286 00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:02,462 And I know this because I worked there. 287 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:06,466 When I was 16-years-old, there was an explosion 288 00:16:06,499 --> 00:16:10,303 at the Methomyl-Larvin unit in Institute. 289 00:16:10,337 --> 00:16:13,640 I tried to like tape up the windows and doors of my house 290 00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:16,509 like they told us to do in school, and by that time 291 00:16:16,543 --> 00:16:18,711 I was already exposed, so that incident 292 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:21,348 kind of just changed my life. 293 00:16:24,284 --> 00:16:25,118 Okay. 294 00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:29,756 We are learning new information 295 00:16:29,789 --> 00:16:33,293 about the second substance found in the West Virginia 296 00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,096 chemical spill, the chemical PPH. 297 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:39,599 - I know that many of you here would like an update 298 00:16:39,632 --> 00:16:43,303 on the new material that was found yesterday. 299 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,671 Part of my team here from DEP. 300 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:47,174 - Governor, thank you for-- 301 00:16:50,577 --> 00:16:52,812 - On the day of the spill, when we asked the question, 302 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:55,482 what's in the tank, the question that we asked 303 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,185 should have revealed this as well. 304 00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:01,154 By this, Randy means that what actually spilled 305 00:17:01,188 --> 00:17:04,724 was a mixture of chemicals, and 5.6% of it 306 00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:08,361 was this other chemical called PPH. 307 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,630 Imagine that this beverage is what spilled, 308 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:13,666 and they didn't find the lemon juice. 309 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:18,105 Both state and federal regulators were doing testing. 310 00:17:18,138 --> 00:17:20,340 How had this gone undetected? 311 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:28,281 - Mike might be able to answer the test results. 312 00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,617 - I just haven't seen the most recent test results. 313 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:31,551 So did Freedom Industries 314 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:34,287 have any records about PPH? 315 00:17:34,321 --> 00:17:36,223 - Well, they had their in document that what they were 316 00:17:36,256 --> 00:17:38,191 shipping in and shipping out, but it was pretty rough. 317 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:39,759 They also had three tanks of this material, 318 00:17:39,792 --> 00:17:42,162 and they were shipping in between tanks. 319 00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:46,366 Why did the DEP allow them to operate like this? 320 00:17:56,676 --> 00:17:59,312 So is your background in environmental science 321 00:17:59,346 --> 00:18:00,513 or anything like that? 322 00:18:00,547 --> 00:18:04,617 - I came out of college with a mining engineering degree. 323 00:18:04,651 --> 00:18:07,487 There were no jobs in the mining industry at the time. 324 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,588 This was the mid '80s. 325 00:18:08,621 --> 00:18:12,459 I came to work for what was the Department of Energy 326 00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:15,762 at the time in state government as a last resort. 327 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:20,367 We could regulate CO2 out of existence in this country, 328 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,571 and it's not going to have any measurable impact globally. 329 00:18:33,546 --> 00:18:35,582 Looking through the archives, Randy Huffman, 330 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:37,550 he had the kind of report card 331 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,786 that you hide from your parents. 332 00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:43,156 Loosening regulations, turning a blind eye to thousands 333 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:46,593 of miles of dirty streams, granting pollution waivers. 334 00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:50,863 The DEP had even gone so far as to sue their federal 335 00:18:50,897 --> 00:18:53,833 counterpart, the Environmental Protection Agency when the 336 00:18:53,866 --> 00:18:56,803 federal agency tried to enforce the clean water act. 337 00:18:56,836 --> 00:18:58,738 "This is 100% victory. 338 00:18:58,771 --> 00:19:00,473 "We won," said Randy Huffman. 339 00:19:00,507 --> 00:19:03,210 For a while, it was reported that the DEP simply 340 00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:05,545 didn't review the waster water pollution reports 341 00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:07,547 of companies around the state. 342 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,550 These added up to over 25,000 violations 343 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:12,919 of the Clean Water Act. 344 00:19:12,952 --> 00:19:14,821 "For whatever reason, we weren't getting it done," 345 00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:16,789 Huffman said, "It was a glitch, and they got 346 00:19:16,823 --> 00:19:18,958 "off track with it." 347 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:19,826 25,000. 348 00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:25,532 - I believe in the production of coal, 349 00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:29,402 it's value to our country, and I will continue 350 00:19:29,436 --> 00:19:32,639 to do everything that I can to fight the EPA 351 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:35,308 and its misguided attempts to cripple this industry. 352 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:38,345 After reviewing some of the past 353 00:19:38,378 --> 00:19:40,613 State of the State addresses given by the governor, 354 00:19:40,647 --> 00:19:43,616 it seems that fighting environmental regulation, 355 00:19:43,650 --> 00:19:46,519 well, that was something that brought Democrats 356 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:48,655 and Republicans together. 357 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:51,591 And this is how the states Democratic 358 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,626 US Senator won his seat. 359 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:56,963 - I'm Joe Manchin. 360 00:19:56,996 --> 00:20:01,301 I sued EPA, and I'll take dead aim at the Cap and Trade Bill 361 00:20:01,334 --> 00:20:03,836 because it's bad for West Virginia. 362 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:05,872 It seemed that the EPA's proposed emissions 363 00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:08,641 program was also bad for his coal business, 364 00:20:08,675 --> 00:20:11,611 a business that had earned him millions. 365 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,481 Now, at that time, he was the state's governor, 366 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:17,417 and here's what Joe Manchin did right 367 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,486 at the beginning of his term. 368 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:23,323 - The first official new sign of West Virginia's progress 369 00:20:23,356 --> 00:20:25,792 started going up today, which shows 370 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:28,528 the true beauty of West Virginia. 371 00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,498 It's a little hard to read, but he actually 372 00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:36,369 changed the slogan of the state to Open for Business. 373 00:20:36,403 --> 00:20:38,538 So I asked a retired employee from the DEP 374 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,974 if this translated into weaker enforcement. 375 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:45,512 - Yes, Joe Manchin, in my opinion, did initiate 376 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:49,449 a more lax environmental enforcement atmosphere 377 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:55,988 while he was in office and even it seems even until today. 378 00:20:56,022 --> 00:20:59,659 Joe Manchin had appointed Randy Huffman 379 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:02,762 nearly 10 years ago, and it seemed he was still doing 380 00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:06,433 the exact job that he'd been hired to do. 381 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:10,002 - They tell us all it's the flu. 382 00:21:10,036 --> 00:21:11,103 It's not the water at all. 383 00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,873 It's somethin' else, and they send us home like this. 384 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:16,343 And then you know, we go home and sit there and cry. 385 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:18,645 And it's wrong how they're doin' us. 386 00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:20,980 - It's not the hospital's job to make sure they ask 387 00:21:21,013 --> 00:21:23,383 questions every time somebody comes with a rash. 388 00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:24,384 They're too busy for that. 389 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:25,552 Their job's not surveillance. 390 00:21:25,585 --> 00:21:29,822 We need a program that will actually encourage people 391 00:21:29,856 --> 00:21:32,325 to come in, describe their symptoms. 392 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,628 That needs to be followed over several years. 393 00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:38,665 That's the way you prove connections, 394 00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:41,000 the chemical and other things. 395 00:21:43,636 --> 00:21:44,871 Two weeks ago. 396 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,973 It should have been done. 397 00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:50,410 - You know, I'm not interested in writing tickets 398 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:51,611 or assessing fines. 399 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,680 I don't need to collect money from people just because. 400 00:21:53,713 --> 00:21:57,049 Give the benefit of the doubt to organizations, 401 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,652 and assume people aren't out there trying to break 402 00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:02,455 the law, but they would like to comply. 403 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:04,757 And give 'em a shot at it. 404 00:22:04,791 --> 00:22:07,627 - Do you though, that like that ideology lets 405 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,598 companies like Freedom through the cracks? 406 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,765 - No, I don't. 407 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:13,866 - Maybe you can correct this. 408 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:17,704 In the five years before 2008, something like 25,000 409 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:19,872 violations of the Clean Water Act occurred, 410 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:22,141 but you know, fines were never issued. 411 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:25,378 - Ah, yeah, 35,000 is not that many. 412 00:22:27,514 --> 00:22:28,948 So I'll say that. 413 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:32,619 This is a whole lot more complicated than something 414 00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:35,922 that you can just put in a sound bite and say, here's 35,000 415 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:39,859 violations for which there never was a penalty. 416 00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:52,171 Nearly three weeks had gone by, 417 00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:56,809 and yet for some reason, the water still had a smell. 418 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,745 So people didn't trust it. 419 00:22:58,778 --> 00:23:01,514 And they also didn't trust the state or federal officials 420 00:23:01,548 --> 00:23:04,884 who were saying that the water was safe to drink. 421 00:23:04,917 --> 00:23:05,885 - It's three weeks. 422 00:23:05,918 --> 00:23:07,019 We haven't been told anything. 423 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,422 - You're trying to force feed us underneath the table. 424 00:23:10,857 --> 00:23:13,560 - Purging is not working. 425 00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:16,429 American Water didn't even bother to show up. 426 00:23:16,463 --> 00:23:20,099 There was only one official there to take all of the heat. 427 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,703 How often do you do it? 428 00:23:23,736 --> 00:23:27,139 Do you do it every month, every year, once a week. 429 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:28,240 It was hard to tell if Randy Huffman 430 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:31,578 was playing dumb or he really didn't know anything. 431 00:23:31,611 --> 00:23:33,480 - I'm not aware of any full spectrum testing 432 00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:34,947 that's been done. 433 00:23:34,981 --> 00:23:36,616 I wouldn't make any judgments on that at all. 434 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:37,850 No evidence that we've seen. 435 00:23:37,884 --> 00:23:38,918 I'm just not aware of 'em. 436 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:41,621 I'm sure it'll reveal something we didn't know. 437 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:43,790 I apologize, but I'm not familiar with the protocols 438 00:23:43,823 --> 00:23:48,160 at all that the water company used to do their sampling. 439 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:49,629 I have a question. 440 00:23:49,662 --> 00:23:51,197 - Freedom's been ordered to remove the tanks. 441 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:54,200 No, there will not be another tank farm on that site. 442 00:23:54,233 --> 00:23:57,737 Nobody else is gonna be there. 443 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,672 - We need to understand the basics of this. 444 00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:01,841 We are the first human beings this chemical 445 00:24:01,874 --> 00:24:03,910 has ever been experimented on. 446 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,713 It's tested on rats and some of the other lab animals. 447 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:09,882 I vehemently disagree with any official anywhere 448 00:24:09,916 --> 00:24:12,652 who's saying well, this is flu, or this is something else 449 00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,523 'cause it's not. 450 00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:17,890 - Don't let anyone around you convince you 451 00:24:17,924 --> 00:24:20,192 that you don't see and you aren't experiencing 452 00:24:20,226 --> 00:24:22,261 what you're experiencing. 453 00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:26,633 Dr. Gupta has really stepped up, and I have yet in 22 years 454 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:30,837 of work seen a health official do that, so thank you. 455 00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:33,706 - We're working closely with the legislature 456 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:35,675 on some specific rules. 457 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,144 - Here's the thing. 458 00:24:38,177 --> 00:24:41,881 Regulation without enforcement is pointless. 459 00:24:45,852 --> 00:24:46,719 - It was brutal. 460 00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,989 It might have been the worst experience 461 00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,593 that I've had in this job. 462 00:24:53,626 --> 00:24:55,662 The police escorted me to my truck 'cause they were 463 00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:58,631 concerned for my safety. 464 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,132 I wasn't, but they were. 465 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:02,068 I think they just wanted somethin' to do. 466 00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:04,704 While Randy and his agency may be responsible 467 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:07,006 for a lot of problems in the state, 468 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,909 as it turns out, the inspection of above ground 469 00:25:09,942 --> 00:25:12,712 storage tanks wasn't one of them. 470 00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:15,314 - I could send inspectors to that site every day. 471 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,283 I'm not gonna know that that hole is gettin' ready 472 00:25:17,316 --> 00:25:20,720 to rust the rest of the way through and leak the material. 473 00:25:20,753 --> 00:25:22,822 What we need to prevent this problem 474 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,791 is something that we don't have. 475 00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:27,960 Some kind of policy decision by Congress 476 00:25:27,994 --> 00:25:31,631 or by our state legislatures at some point was made. 477 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:32,632 One thing was for sure. 478 00:25:32,665 --> 00:25:35,034 The politicians didn't want any of this blame 479 00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:36,803 coming back to them. 480 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,171 I've heard there's a lot of political corruption 481 00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:41,741 and that lobbyists wield a lot of influence here. 482 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,110 - That would be more so in Washington than here. 483 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,779 The idea of regulation as in ensuring the safety 484 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:50,883 of storage tanks, we always assumed that that was in place. 485 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,052 That's the type of regulation everyone wants. 486 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:55,254 But when it came to making this law, 487 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:58,658 Chris also had a little extra motivation. 488 00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:00,727 - I mean, I've been drinking all day. 489 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,862 I had just gotten out of the shower right before our date. 490 00:26:02,895 --> 00:26:05,732 I thought about the baby and what was gonna happen. 491 00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:09,769 He used to take 45 minute showers. 492 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:11,303 I used to get clean. 493 00:26:11,337 --> 00:26:13,940 - I don't feel comfortable with my biggest organ 494 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,143 being exposed to somethin' that they know nothing about. 495 00:26:17,176 --> 00:26:21,347 I don't feel comfortable with my daughter's or my husband's. 496 00:26:23,415 --> 00:26:25,618 Across the state, there was a contest 497 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:28,254 to determine the best drinking water in the world. 498 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:31,190 I wanted to see how this water that had been declared 499 00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:35,261 safe for use stacked up against the competition. 500 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:38,698 - You tell me. 501 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,867 - It's really incredible. 502 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,136 I mean, it's like a big bottle of licorice. 503 00:26:44,170 --> 00:26:46,973 On odor I would score it as low as I could. 504 00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:51,177 The people who test this say it's acceptable to drink? 505 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,912 Is that right? - That's what they say. 506 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:57,116 - Let me smell it again because that's atrocious. 507 00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:57,984 Oh. 508 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,854 - I would love to give you our Beverly Hills 90H20 water, 509 00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:04,390 the first sommelier crafted water in the world. 510 00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:06,726 - Yes. 511 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:07,927 - I tried to get it entered here, 512 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,195 but they wouldn't accept it. 513 00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,763 - Too bad. 514 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,965 The first, oh, my grandmother always said, 515 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:16,903 and she survived two world wars, when water has an odor, 516 00:27:16,936 --> 00:27:18,838 don't drink it. 517 00:27:18,871 --> 00:27:20,339 This has. 518 00:27:20,372 --> 00:27:23,275 - I will tell you this is the best trade I've ever made. 519 00:27:23,309 --> 00:27:24,844 - Yeah, I think so, too, yeah. 520 00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,912 I think so, too. 521 00:27:25,945 --> 00:27:29,081 And I will trade this with a trash can. 522 00:27:31,951 --> 00:27:33,185 Everyone's upset about their water bill. 523 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:34,186 You know that, right? 524 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:35,121 I know they are. 525 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:35,955 Can you at least give us a break? 526 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,357 - You can smell MCHM in water below 527 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:40,993 the protective health limit. 528 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,394 As a water company-- 529 00:27:43,429 --> 00:27:44,463 - I'm sleepin' great. 530 00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:47,099 - Give the people in this valley some confidence. 531 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:49,101 - We have to follow what's given to us 532 00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:51,037 as health-based guidance. 533 00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:54,106 It is a fear-based issue because people can smell it. 534 00:27:54,140 --> 00:27:56,008 - I'm understanding that not one of you up here 535 00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:58,477 are willing to say unequivocally, it's safe, 536 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,379 and I would assume that you would have 537 00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:04,083 to have zero parts per billion, trillion, no nothing. 538 00:28:04,116 --> 00:28:06,819 - We monitor for 100 contaminants at various times 539 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,455 throughout the year, and if anyone thinks that every 540 00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:12,258 water treatment system has absolutely zero of all 541 00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,762 of these chemicals or compounds, they're mistaken. 542 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:17,797 There are limits set. 543 00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,503 - Water utilities simply don't have the information 544 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,740 on how to remove 50,000 chemicals in the water. 545 00:28:27,774 --> 00:28:28,674 - Right. 546 00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,409 - So the Environmental Protection Action 547 00:28:30,442 --> 00:28:31,277 sets those standards. 548 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:33,245 There's little information available. 549 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,248 That's just surprising to me, which is why we got involved. 550 00:28:36,282 --> 00:28:39,752 I'm not here to convince you the water is safe. 551 00:28:39,786 --> 00:28:41,387 I'm here to figure out if it is. 552 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,355 Dr. Andy Whelton had just arrived 553 00:28:43,389 --> 00:28:45,124 with a team of students. 554 00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,493 He's an independent scientist and a water protection 555 00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,763 strategist who used to work in the military. 556 00:28:50,797 --> 00:28:52,832 - There's simply not a lot of data associated 557 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:57,136 with what chemicals are in waterways and water sources. 558 00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:00,773 In fact, the EPA only requires water companies 559 00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:04,510 to test for 76 chemicals, and since MCHM wasn't 560 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:09,548 on this list, it was legal for it to be in the water. 561 00:29:09,581 --> 00:29:13,319 But MCHM has an extremely rare quality. 562 00:29:13,352 --> 00:29:16,856 You can smell it in parts per billion. 563 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:18,858 It's like putting one drop of MCHM 564 00:29:18,891 --> 00:29:22,161 into a 10,000 gallon fish tank. 565 00:29:22,194 --> 00:29:24,430 - In the drinking water industry, we're looking 566 00:29:24,463 --> 00:29:26,866 for that one device that can tell us everything. 567 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,535 Because it doesn't exist, we have to rely 568 00:29:29,568 --> 00:29:32,071 on multiple devices to tell us a little bit 569 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,274 of information about the water that we're looking at. 570 00:29:35,307 --> 00:29:37,309 But aren't there more than 80,000 571 00:29:37,343 --> 00:29:38,945 chemicals used in commerce? 572 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:40,179 - Right, and because they-- 573 00:29:40,212 --> 00:29:42,348 So you're saying there's no way to test for them? 574 00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:45,351 - There is no tri-quarter to determine which of the 575 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:47,219 80,000 chemicals is present. 576 00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:49,555 Because there was an odor, that was exactly 577 00:29:49,588 --> 00:29:51,490 how it was detected. 578 00:29:51,523 --> 00:29:55,161 So imagine, without the smell, the chemical 579 00:29:55,194 --> 00:29:57,429 would have gone unnoticed. 580 00:29:57,463 --> 00:30:00,967 People would have drank MCHM without knowing. 581 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,836 Just insist on leaving your complaint 582 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,938 and your intent not to pay. 583 00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,874 The CDC would never have had to determine 584 00:30:07,907 --> 00:30:11,510 that one part per million was safe. 585 00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:13,479 - A lot of things just didn't make sense. 586 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:17,249 How did the CDC come up with the screening levels? 587 00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:19,251 We all have the same question. 588 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:21,353 Is my water really safe? 589 00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:25,557 I value and trust the opinions of the CDC and the EPA. 590 00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:29,395 - Thank you very much, Governor. 591 00:30:29,428 --> 00:30:30,863 Is your water safe? 592 00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:34,901 What I can say is that you can use your water 593 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:36,602 however you like. 594 00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:39,538 - We had expected them to come in, and ease people's fears. 595 00:30:39,571 --> 00:30:41,908 Instead, they just threw a little gasoline on the fire. 596 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:46,245 - There are no studies on humans for this substance. 597 00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:47,579 - After the water use ban has been lifted, 598 00:30:47,613 --> 00:30:49,581 if we're still smelling the water in the way we are, 599 00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,384 there is some amount of chemical somewhere. 600 00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:54,053 - The CDC has set a screening level. 601 00:30:54,086 --> 00:30:57,123 Doesn't mean there is potentially zero in there. 602 00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,524 - You know, they gave us a one part per million. 603 00:30:58,557 --> 00:30:59,926 Then they came to town and wouldn't say 604 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,560 that it was safe to drink. 605 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:04,997 The Centers for Disease Control everybody relies on. 606 00:31:05,031 --> 00:31:09,001 And at that point, everybody was sort of dumbfounded. 607 00:31:09,035 --> 00:31:11,070 So for some reason the most important 608 00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:14,240 health agency in the entire world was no longer willing 609 00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:16,108 to use the word, safe. 610 00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:19,011 - In refusing to declare the water safe, I think we're 611 00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:21,413 setting ourselves up in the future for something 612 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,983 that we may not be proud of. 613 00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,457 - This is an independent project. 614 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:33,592 We're pleased to have you, and we appreciate your help. 615 00:31:33,625 --> 00:31:35,261 Dr. Whelton. 616 00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:39,231 - As far as the testing phase, we go out tomorrow. 617 00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:42,034 Dr. Whelton went from working on his own dime 618 00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:44,937 to working for the governor. 619 00:31:44,971 --> 00:31:48,975 It was now his job to do what the CDC could not. 620 00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,654 Eastman Chemical, they make about nine billion 621 00:32:02,688 --> 00:32:04,656 dollars every year. 622 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,526 They're the original creator of MCHM, 623 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,597 which means they're required to create a Safety Data Sheet. 624 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,732 Tells you all these symptoms it affects. 625 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:15,534 It's the only information that's available 626 00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:18,304 to the public and to emergency responders. 627 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:20,706 - The people in my world, that's what we rely on. 628 00:32:20,739 --> 00:32:22,441 We go out on a truck wreck or something, 629 00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,411 and there's a tank leaking, we gotta look at a data sheet. 630 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,545 That's all we have. 631 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,381 But if you look at a data sheet for MCHM, 632 00:32:29,415 --> 00:32:32,985 nearly every field reads no data available 633 00:32:33,019 --> 00:32:36,588 including most important symptoms and effects. 634 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:40,592 However, there was one useful piece of information, 635 00:32:40,626 --> 00:32:44,997 the average amount of MCHM it takes to kill a rat. 636 00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:48,334 - Any time you talk about what levels are safe 637 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:52,004 for people to expose to, that's a big deal. 638 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,007 But how the CDC determined what amount 639 00:32:55,041 --> 00:32:56,608 was acceptable is kind of shocking. 640 00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:02,448 Without knowing if MCHM causes cancer or reproductive harm 641 00:33:02,481 --> 00:33:04,716 the CDC decided what amount was safe 642 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:08,687 from this piece of information, how much Eastman Chemical 643 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,057 says it takes to kill a rat. 644 00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,194 This would explain why the CDC told pregnant women 645 00:33:15,227 --> 00:33:17,663 not to drink the water. 646 00:33:17,696 --> 00:33:21,667 It seemed that they didn't know what the effects might be. 647 00:33:37,749 --> 00:33:40,186 - These are studies that are done in secrecy. 648 00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:42,554 They're not available to the public 649 00:33:42,588 --> 00:33:43,822 or the regulators to review. 650 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:46,825 - Companies have had trade secrets for as long 651 00:33:46,858 --> 00:33:50,596 as they've been in business so that the competition 652 00:33:50,629 --> 00:33:53,799 wouldn't have access to their information. 653 00:33:53,832 --> 00:33:54,766 But you don't have to look far 654 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,867 to find an example. 655 00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,638 According to the Safety Data Sheet of PPH, the second 656 00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:03,609 chemical on the spill, it's identity was withheld as a trade 657 00:34:03,642 --> 00:34:07,079 secret, but this is actually the norm. 658 00:34:07,113 --> 00:34:08,780 There's a government accountability report 659 00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:12,684 that revealed 95% of new chemicals contain 660 00:34:12,718 --> 00:34:16,522 some information claimed as confidential. 661 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:17,389 95%. 662 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:23,362 But MCHM was no longer confidential because Eastman 663 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,232 Chemical had released the studies. 664 00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:30,136 At least one thing stood out. 665 00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,738 There was a note from a lead researcher. 666 00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:35,707 It said that their first study of MCHM 667 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:40,279 had bad rats, so the results were of limited value. 668 00:34:40,312 --> 00:34:44,783 And the rats had exhibited something called hematuria. 669 00:34:44,816 --> 00:34:48,154 It turns out the rats were peeing blood. 670 00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:53,592 Was it normal to blame undesirable results on the rats? 671 00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:07,306 What what do you mean? 672 00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,446 So you're a lawyer. 673 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,814 Who are you suing? 674 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:16,848 - Everybody. 675 00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,552 The clinical finding in the lab notes 676 00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,854 that was never put in any report 677 00:35:22,888 --> 00:35:26,158 was not that there was just hematuria 678 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:31,230 but that in some of the rats, the blood was actually 679 00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,765 green that was in the urine. 680 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:35,834 - Where was this study because I didn't see it? 681 00:35:35,867 --> 00:35:38,770 - Well, you couldn't find that by looking at the study. 682 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:42,208 You'd have to sue Eastman and get into the discovery 683 00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:45,344 process and then get their lab notes. 684 00:35:52,784 --> 00:35:53,919 Are you looking for a spot? 685 00:35:53,952 --> 00:35:55,321 - Yeah, let's go. 686 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,489 Hold onto your everything here. 687 00:36:03,762 --> 00:36:04,963 Here you go. 688 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,365 People joke with me all the time. 689 00:36:06,398 --> 00:36:08,200 They know that I fish, and they'll say, oh, 690 00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:11,303 you catch any three-eyed fish out there? 691 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,972 Oh, you catch some deformed ones every once in a while, 692 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,106 but fish are just like people. 693 00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,409 Any time I'm in this area, there's always 694 00:36:17,443 --> 00:36:18,710 that like sweet smell. 695 00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:19,711 Can you smell it? 696 00:36:19,745 --> 00:36:20,512 - Yeah. 697 00:36:20,546 --> 00:36:23,249 I forget what they make down there. 698 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:24,583 But they're permitted to dump a certain 699 00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:25,851 amount in here, right? 700 00:36:25,884 --> 00:36:26,652 That's how it works? 701 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,220 - Yeah, they're permitted to dump 702 00:36:28,254 --> 00:36:29,555 a certain amount of certain things. 703 00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:31,523 You know, I don't know. 704 00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:34,760 No, they test their outfalls. 705 00:36:34,793 --> 00:36:37,763 They test what's in the outfalls, and then they report 706 00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:39,965 that to us once a quarter. 707 00:36:42,468 --> 00:36:43,369 That's a good question. 708 00:36:43,402 --> 00:36:46,004 How do I know if they're tellin' the truth? 709 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,940 We've never, ever had that kind of problem 710 00:36:48,974 --> 00:36:50,976 'cause they typically will contract that out 711 00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:54,346 to a third party to come in and do the sampling, 712 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,715 and then prepare the report. 713 00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,819 We'll look at their reports. 714 00:37:02,821 --> 00:37:05,291 Later that night, I went to the EPA's website 715 00:37:05,324 --> 00:37:07,593 to see how many facilities his agency 716 00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,728 had actually inspected. 717 00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:14,400 Only 11, less than any other state, but while I was here 718 00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:17,703 I saw something that surprised me. 719 00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:21,540 There were huge numbers of violations in every state. 720 00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:23,975 The national average for facilities dumping more 721 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,679 than they're supposed to was 38%. 722 00:37:27,713 --> 00:37:30,982 West Virginia was actually below the national average. 723 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:35,521 The Clean Water Act requires a fine of not less 724 00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:39,391 than 2,500 dollars or more than 25,000 dollars 725 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:44,463 per day of violation, so how much are companies 726 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:46,798 actually being fined in total? 727 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:50,736 Here's the average total fine in West Virginia. 728 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:53,038 California was the highest. 729 00:37:53,071 --> 00:37:57,309 But in many states, the fine wasn't even above 730 00:37:57,343 --> 00:38:01,580 the required daily minimum of 2,500 dollars. 731 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:05,884 In Illinois, the fine is less than a parking ticket. 732 00:38:05,917 --> 00:38:08,520 It made sense why weak enforcement might be happening 733 00:38:08,554 --> 00:38:11,089 in West Virginia, but I couldn't understand 734 00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:15,594 why it seemed to be happening everywhere else. 735 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:18,597 - It's not a giant, but it's fish. 736 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,935 It was the last day of the legislative calendar, 737 00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:25,771 and they were holding a vote on what was now 738 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,740 colloquially known as the tank bill. 739 00:38:28,774 --> 00:38:30,876 If it passed, it would be the strongest piece 740 00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,745 of environmental legislation the state had seen 741 00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,913 in a generation. 742 00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:38,484 - Environmental pollution's really not a problem 743 00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:41,920 when it doesn't affect you, but what happens if it does? 744 00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,889 - This sounds like a real fiimby issue. 745 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:47,092 it's in my back yard. 746 00:38:47,125 --> 00:38:50,696 - Concerned citizens comin' to the capitol to voice 747 00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:53,599 their opinion on the water situation in Charleston. 748 00:38:53,632 --> 00:38:56,935 Well, I was told I wasn't allowed to sit 749 00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,804 on the floor, so I'm gonna sit up 750 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,105 in the gallery with the people. 751 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:03,509 - 59 days since our water was poisoned. 752 00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,912 This is the exclamation point on the end 753 00:39:06,945 --> 00:39:11,583 of our success in dealing with the water crisis this year. 754 00:39:11,617 --> 00:39:12,851 - The question now is on passage of the bill. 755 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:13,919 All those in favor will vote green. 756 00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,120 All those opposed will vote red. 757 00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:16,121 Prepare the machine. 758 00:39:25,431 --> 00:39:26,832 Near the stroke of midnight, 759 00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:29,568 the tank bill passed unanimously. 760 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:34,773 Incredibly, West Virginia had just become the first state 761 00:39:34,806 --> 00:39:37,142 to enact this type of a law. 762 00:39:39,044 --> 00:39:40,045 It was down to the wire, 763 00:39:40,078 --> 00:39:41,947 but the process isn't done. 764 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:44,015 It is for this legislative session, 765 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,684 but there's next year as well. 766 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,819 - It now goes from words to actual work 767 00:39:47,853 --> 00:39:50,889 that my department has to do. 768 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,157 So there are a lot of tanks out there, 769 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:56,528 and there's a lot of stuff in this bill that has to be done. 770 00:39:57,228 --> 00:39:58,430 No. 771 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:08,874 - Before I have questions, but today, 772 00:40:08,907 --> 00:40:10,175 based on the evidence, the information, 773 00:40:10,208 --> 00:40:12,177 the chemical levels of people's homes, 774 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:14,680 the water is safe to drink. 775 00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,884 The water no longer had a smell, 776 00:40:18,917 --> 00:40:22,888 and Dr. Whelton made his announcement to an empty room. 777 00:40:26,725 --> 00:40:29,995 It was fall of 20014, and the DEP had finished inspecting 778 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:32,498 storage tanks across the state. 779 00:40:32,531 --> 00:40:35,567 They found 1,100 were in such bad shape, 780 00:40:35,601 --> 00:40:38,069 they had to be decommissioned. 781 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:38,937 1,100. 782 00:40:40,806 --> 00:40:43,074 Was it this bad around the country? 783 00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,143 Maybe unregulated chemicals had been spilling 784 00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:48,947 with regularity, chemicals that you couldn't smell, 785 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:52,250 and if that's the case, then Freedom Industries 786 00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,653 was just horribly unlucky. 787 00:40:56,988 --> 00:40:59,525 Four former Freedom officers have been indicted 788 00:40:59,558 --> 00:41:01,192 by a federal grand jury. 789 00:41:01,226 --> 00:41:05,564 It's alleged the defendants violated the Clean Water Act. 790 00:41:05,597 --> 00:41:07,899 According to the FBI, Southern lied 791 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,234 about his role with the company 792 00:41:09,267 --> 00:41:11,002 prior to being named president. 793 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:13,705 He now faces 30 years in prison. 794 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:20,912 - Dr. Gupta. 795 00:41:20,946 --> 00:41:21,880 Hey, how are ya? 796 00:41:21,913 --> 00:41:22,681 - It had been a full year since the crisis. 797 00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:25,617 Congratulations on your new role. 798 00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:26,552 - Thank you very much. 799 00:41:26,585 --> 00:41:28,153 - Dr. Gupta was now in charge of health 800 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,921 for the entire state. 801 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,591 Now, does this mean you're part of state government? 802 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:35,093 yes. 803 00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,061 What's that like? 804 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:40,566 Things seemed good, almost better than good. 805 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:43,635 That is until I sat him down for his interview. 806 00:41:43,669 --> 00:41:44,736 Something was off. 807 00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:48,807 - Of course, we've had since multiple developments, 808 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,242 positive developments, and I think we've been able 809 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,813 to strengthen a number of things across in the state. 810 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:58,116 We're working to further strengthen over the next year 811 00:41:58,149 --> 00:42:01,687 or two many more things that we have been even over 812 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,891 and above, on top of prior what we've done before. 813 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:10,862 Perhaps he couldn't speak freely 814 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:14,866 because there was a government handler in the room. 815 00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:33,118 Right, right. 816 00:42:33,151 --> 00:42:35,120 You're not completely under the control of-- 817 00:42:35,153 --> 00:42:36,287 - There you go. 818 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:37,222 - The powers that be. 819 00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:38,123 - There you go. 820 00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:39,157 - Andy, I'm sorry. 821 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,994 What exactly are you trying to say about MCHM? 822 00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:52,871 Does that mean that MCHM is twice as toxic 823 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,006 as what Eastman reported? 824 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:15,894 That throws the whole system into question. 825 00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:22,267 If the science was this wrong with one chemical, 826 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,003 science that's usually confidential, 827 00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:27,272 what were the odds that companies were fabricating 828 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:30,141 safety data on a far larger scale? 829 00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:34,345 And how are they getting away with it? 830 00:43:34,379 --> 00:43:37,949 - The water doesn't smell like licorice anymore. 831 00:43:37,983 --> 00:43:40,852 And people have resumed their normal lives. 832 00:43:40,886 --> 00:43:43,354 Lobbyists have had a year to really plot and plan. 833 00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,891 They were very, very quiet last year, 834 00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:47,759 and that was strategic. 835 00:43:47,793 --> 00:43:49,761 Perhaps this meant that there was an opportunity 836 00:43:49,795 --> 00:43:52,197 to see who really controls chemical policies 837 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:54,232 and the safety of water. 838 00:43:55,066 --> 00:43:57,168 So what's up with the tank bill? 839 00:43:57,202 --> 00:43:59,004 - So a year goes by. 840 00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:02,040 Now, people are saying well, maybe we should 841 00:44:02,073 --> 00:44:04,375 go back and revisit it. 842 00:44:04,409 --> 00:44:07,145 It basically undoes all that was done last year, 843 00:44:07,178 --> 00:44:09,715 and it makes any kind of a regulatory framework 844 00:44:09,748 --> 00:44:11,983 for tanks irrelevant and meaningless. 845 00:44:12,017 --> 00:44:13,919 - Who are the groups then that are behind this? 846 00:44:13,952 --> 00:44:17,122 - Nobody wants their name on the bill. 847 00:44:17,989 --> 00:44:21,960 You can almost figure it out when you look 848 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:25,831 at the legislation and see who benefits most from it. 849 00:44:25,864 --> 00:44:26,898 That tells you a lot. 850 00:44:26,932 --> 00:44:31,102 The bill specifically said just because your oil 851 00:44:32,771 --> 00:44:35,040 and gas related means you're exempt. 852 00:44:35,073 --> 00:44:37,876 There was no other scientific research behind it. 853 00:44:37,909 --> 00:44:40,245 - Do you think that what happened last year 854 00:44:40,278 --> 00:44:41,913 changed you at all? 855 00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:42,914 - Yeah, I think so. 856 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:46,785 It changed not just me, maybe it was just me. 857 00:44:46,818 --> 00:44:48,453 Maybe my perspective is what's changed, 858 00:44:48,486 --> 00:44:52,991 but it got some people at the table, citizen activists. 859 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,461 Their idea is not to change this philosophical change 860 00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,064 in the world, but it's about dealing with practical 861 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,968 issues such as keeping your water clean. 862 00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:03,802 Yes, sir. 863 00:45:03,835 --> 00:45:04,803 Yes, sir. 864 00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:06,037 1:15, I'll see you up there. 865 00:45:06,071 --> 00:45:10,108 You guys just missed the governor walking out. 866 00:45:10,141 --> 00:45:12,978 - Do you mind taking a camera with you? 867 00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:14,980 Then you just hit this on the side. 868 00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:16,514 - And it videos. 869 00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:19,885 There had been a massive train derailment. 870 00:45:19,918 --> 00:45:22,988 At least 18 tankers had spilled oil into the river. 871 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:27,192 It seemed like a bad time to try to undo last year's bill. 872 00:45:29,094 --> 00:45:31,897 So my understanding is that there is an effort to remove 873 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,133 at least 99% of all the tanks from needing to be inspected. 874 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:38,203 - There's such a huge influx of so many lobbyist groups 875 00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,906 behind individual members. 876 00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:44,910 Until I learn more about it, I can't speak to what the bill 877 00:45:44,943 --> 00:45:48,013 completely will do, but it doesn't look good. 878 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:49,480 The lobbyists hovered around 879 00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:51,883 the center of the capitol. 880 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,888 Are you guys oil and gas, or are you something else? 881 00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:57,889 - I'm city. 882 00:45:57,923 --> 00:45:58,990 - You are filming us right now. 883 00:45:59,024 --> 00:45:59,791 Hi. 884 00:45:59,825 --> 00:46:01,793 You can cut it please, thank you. 885 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:05,997 - I represent a series of businesses, oil and gas, 886 00:46:06,031 --> 00:46:08,900 manufacturing, larger employers. 887 00:46:10,035 --> 00:46:11,436 So were you involved in drafting 888 00:46:11,469 --> 00:46:12,971 the legislation at all? 889 00:46:13,004 --> 00:46:13,972 - No. 890 00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:15,073 Who would that be? 891 00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:17,275 - That's a great question. 892 00:46:21,546 --> 00:46:24,415 And I have not seen her here today. 893 00:46:24,449 --> 00:46:26,384 Even the Democratic Senator who created 894 00:46:26,417 --> 00:46:29,921 the original tank bill was now supporting the gutting of it. 895 00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,090 I read through the piece of legislation that there's 896 00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,059 no third party inspection. 897 00:46:34,092 --> 00:46:35,160 There's no anything. 898 00:46:35,193 --> 00:46:37,028 - You assume that everybody are telling the truth, 899 00:46:37,062 --> 00:46:39,397 but every once in a while, the IRS will audit you. 900 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:43,869 - If I cheat on my taxes, 300,000 people 901 00:46:43,902 --> 00:46:47,272 - So this was a bill that was introduced by industry folks. 902 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:48,573 Speaking of industry folks, 903 00:46:48,606 --> 00:46:51,076 what did Rebecca Randolph send you? 904 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:52,077 - Oh, I don't know. 905 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,078 You can have it. 906 00:46:53,111 --> 00:46:55,546 - 100 years of the West Virginia Manufacturer's, 907 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,115 oh, Swiss chocolates. 908 00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,249 Oh, that's nice. 909 00:46:58,283 --> 00:47:00,285 - Aren't they the most powerful of all the lobbyists? 910 00:47:00,318 --> 00:47:03,221 - Private Coal Association also has a lot of say. 911 00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,290 - Any way you need to contact her, it's right here. 912 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:07,859 Maybe I'll keep this one. 913 00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:11,162 The derailment had forced American Water to shut down 914 00:47:11,196 --> 00:47:13,531 one of its treatment plants. 915 00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:17,002 It refused all of my interview requests, 916 00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,070 so it was a rare opportunity to find out 917 00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:22,007 their stance on these changes. 918 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,075 - I think that any attempts right now to try to weaken 919 00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:27,345 water protections, especially with events like this 920 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:30,115 and last year's event being so fresh in people's mind, 921 00:47:30,148 --> 00:47:34,152 I can't imagine anyone being on board with that. 922 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,055 The Manufacturers' Association is a coalition 923 00:47:37,088 --> 00:47:41,292 of businesses who lobby for their shared interests. 924 00:47:41,326 --> 00:47:45,496 It includes chemical companies like DuPont, Dow, and Bayer. 925 00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:50,635 But there was one name on this list I didn't expect. 926 00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,005 It seemed that the water company was putting their 927 00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,009 bottom line before the safety of their only product. 928 00:48:04,115 --> 00:48:05,050 You have a new job. 929 00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:06,651 You have nine other people working for you, 930 00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:09,120 and the stakes are really high, so in you're 931 00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:11,089 in a very different political environment. 932 00:48:11,122 --> 00:48:14,059 But why not try and protect this regulation? 933 00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:17,662 - There's plenty of folks out there that can do that. 934 00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:20,165 I cannot afford to do it. 935 00:48:20,198 --> 00:48:21,699 Here's my responsibility and my role, 936 00:48:21,732 --> 00:48:24,069 and I intend to fully do that. 937 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,505 It's very important that we keep scientific evidence 938 00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,608 in front and center of every policy-making 939 00:48:30,641 --> 00:48:33,611 and not go in reverse because that's exactly 940 00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:38,016 what some of the times the other side is trying to do. 941 00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:51,429 - We've got a lab just had to shut down because they had 942 00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:55,166 a lab person admit to fabricating results, 943 00:48:57,168 --> 00:48:59,971 fabricating the same analytical data you're talking about 944 00:49:00,005 --> 00:49:02,007 that they're supposed to self report. 945 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,075 They were doing tests for a lot of coal companies 946 00:49:04,109 --> 00:49:05,176 and other folks. 947 00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:08,146 I don't know who the ones were for 948 00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:10,081 that they actually fabricated. 949 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,250 I don't know the specifics on that. 950 00:49:12,283 --> 00:49:14,052 But the bottom line it doesn't matter is it brings 951 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:18,256 into question the integrity of the whole operation. 952 00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,027 - So you gonna run for governor in two years. 953 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,196 - I'm gonna run from the capitol, not to the capitol. 954 00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:27,098 I was trying to find 955 00:49:27,132 --> 00:49:28,699 Rebecca Randolph obviously today. 956 00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:29,534 She wasn't in. 957 00:49:29,567 --> 00:49:30,501 Do you think she'll be in tomorrow? 958 00:49:30,535 --> 00:49:33,304 There's a bill up at two o'clock. 959 00:49:33,338 --> 00:49:34,305 Like a stakeholder's meeting? 960 00:49:34,339 --> 00:49:37,608 Yeah, I know she'll be here for that. 961 00:49:37,642 --> 00:49:39,077 - So right behind me in the corner over there 962 00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:41,012 a stakeholders meeting is going on. 963 00:49:41,046 --> 00:49:43,081 And I don't know who all's involved in this, 964 00:49:43,114 --> 00:49:45,783 but we've been told that Rebecca from the Manufacturer's 965 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,086 Association is there along with anyone 966 00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,156 who is considered a stakeholder to the state. 967 00:49:57,528 --> 00:49:59,397 I'm just gonna go in. 968 00:50:07,272 --> 00:50:11,109 - So it's similar to the language on page 18, 969 00:50:11,142 --> 00:50:13,078 but a little bit different. 970 00:50:13,111 --> 00:50:14,045 I couldn't believe it. 971 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,115 Every major lobbying group was in that room 972 00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:20,585 rewriting the tank bill in front of me. 973 00:50:20,618 --> 00:50:23,321 - I mean, I hear everyone on how they're already 974 00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:25,290 regulated and maybe that's good enough. 975 00:50:25,323 --> 00:50:27,825 What else could have been done to minimize the risk 976 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:30,561 in the Freedom thing and to me, it goes back 977 00:50:30,595 --> 00:50:33,498 to certification and inspection process. 978 00:50:34,732 --> 00:50:37,135 I mean, where do you guys see the issue 979 00:50:37,168 --> 00:50:38,136 with what we're already covering though? 980 00:50:38,169 --> 00:50:39,737 - Had that been going on for some period of time, 981 00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:43,774 years, that leak would've never happened. 982 00:50:43,808 --> 00:50:45,243 Randy seemed to be putting up 983 00:50:45,276 --> 00:50:47,145 a pretty good fight. 984 00:50:53,118 --> 00:50:54,719 - The more hazardous or dangerous it is, 985 00:50:54,752 --> 00:50:57,122 then it needs to be included in level one. 986 00:50:57,155 --> 00:50:58,856 - We don't think that's workable for us. 987 00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,825 - We're already covered under 988 00:51:00,858 --> 00:51:03,561 adequate stringent regulations. 989 00:51:03,594 --> 00:51:05,863 - That's not gonna work, guys. 990 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:06,897 I'm just tellin' y'all. 991 00:51:06,931 --> 00:51:07,765 We'll go back to a groundwork for an exemption 992 00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:10,168 to coal mining operation and individual. 993 00:51:10,201 --> 00:51:11,636 I think we've done all the damage 994 00:51:11,669 --> 00:51:12,637 we can do today. 995 00:51:13,904 --> 00:51:14,972 There you have it. 996 00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:18,843 That's a how a law is weakened beyond recognition. 997 00:51:18,876 --> 00:51:21,812 But where had these changes come from in the first place? 998 00:51:21,846 --> 00:51:23,414 Rebecca? 999 00:51:23,448 --> 00:51:24,815 Hi, Cullen Hoback. 1000 00:51:24,849 --> 00:51:25,750 - Oh, hi. 1001 00:51:25,783 --> 00:51:26,917 - I've been trying to get a hold of you. 1002 00:51:26,951 --> 00:51:28,819 Were you relevant in terms of crafting the bill itself? 1003 00:51:28,853 --> 00:51:31,389 - I mean, we had some input. 1004 00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:34,459 Candidly what I'm gonna tell you on camera, 1005 00:51:34,492 --> 00:51:37,362 I mean, is that our folks will be the first ones 1006 00:51:37,395 --> 00:51:39,397 to get in line to do what's necessary 1007 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:42,767 when considering protection of the resource 1008 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,402 that we're trying to protect. 1009 00:51:44,435 --> 00:51:46,137 - Are you going to work to change the bill 1010 00:51:46,171 --> 00:51:47,838 from its current form to make it so it covers more 1011 00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,907 of the tanks that are out there? 1012 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:53,378 'Cause like right now it just literally undoes last year. 1013 00:51:53,411 --> 00:51:57,215 - I don't, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. 1014 00:52:13,464 --> 00:52:15,600 It was once again the last day of session, 1015 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:18,403 and they were about to vote on changing the tank bill. 1016 00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:25,943 The bill had been undone with little fanfare. 1017 00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:30,381 Another Freedom Industries was primed to happen again. 1018 00:52:30,415 --> 00:52:31,616 Senator Hall? 1019 00:52:31,649 --> 00:52:32,617 - Yes. 1020 00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:35,220 Are you the lead sponsor on SB423? 1021 00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:36,221 - Yes, I was. 1022 00:52:36,254 --> 00:52:39,390 - Did you write the bill, or-- 1023 00:52:39,424 --> 00:52:40,391 - No, I didn't write. 1024 00:52:40,425 --> 00:52:41,626 I mean, the attorneys wrote it. 1025 00:52:41,659 --> 00:52:44,595 Whose attorneys wrote it? 1026 00:52:44,629 --> 00:52:45,963 - Well, shoot, I mean, it was done, 1027 00:52:45,996 --> 00:52:48,599 I can't even tell ya. 1028 00:52:48,633 --> 00:52:51,869 The Manufacturer's Association, I don't know. 1029 00:52:51,902 --> 00:52:52,937 I don't know who did it. 1030 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:54,905 - But surely someone came to you with the bill, 1031 00:52:54,939 --> 00:52:59,510 and they said, would you be the lead sponsor on this? 1032 00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:01,879 - People from the Manufacturer's Association did. 1033 00:53:01,912 --> 00:53:04,682 What's your interest in knowing who gave me the bill? 1034 00:53:04,715 --> 00:53:07,452 - Well, I've just been following the water crisis 1035 00:53:07,485 --> 00:53:08,519 from the beginning. 1036 00:53:08,553 --> 00:53:09,520 - Okay. 1037 00:53:09,554 --> 00:53:10,488 - And so because the bill-- 1038 00:53:10,521 --> 00:53:11,922 - Well, let me tell you what I tell people. 1039 00:53:11,956 --> 00:53:13,724 Somebody else got a speeding ticket, 1040 00:53:13,758 --> 00:53:15,226 and everybody else got a fine. 1041 00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:16,927 That's the way I view it. 1042 00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:18,429 That's it. 1043 00:53:18,463 --> 00:53:21,666 You know, it just gave an opportunity 1044 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,602 for people to come in and just cause all sorts 1045 00:53:24,635 --> 00:53:28,273 of regulatory problems for us that weren't necessary. 1046 00:53:28,306 --> 00:53:30,875 So I'm happy 473 passed. 1047 00:53:30,908 --> 00:53:33,378 I'm glad my name is on the top. 1048 00:53:33,411 --> 00:53:34,445 - It's not a bad bill. 1049 00:53:34,479 --> 00:53:35,913 It's a good bill. 1050 00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:36,914 The guy didn't even know the number 1051 00:53:36,947 --> 00:53:38,416 of his own bill. 1052 00:53:38,449 --> 00:53:39,950 It's 423, not 473. 1053 00:53:41,819 --> 00:53:44,255 Maybe it's because he didn't write the bill. 1054 00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:46,991 It was the Manufacturer's Association. 1055 00:53:47,024 --> 00:53:49,794 Maybe he should be fist-bumping them. 1056 00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:54,031 Industry wasn't just undermining laws that protect water. 1057 00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:57,268 They were literally writing them. 1058 00:53:57,302 --> 00:54:00,771 Just how far did this kind of control reach? 1059 00:54:03,308 --> 00:54:07,512 Did you see what hit the news the other day, right? 1060 00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:22,427 - Well, I mean, I know I was bathing in it 1061 00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:24,929 for those two and a half months. 1062 00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:33,504 Hi. 1063 00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:36,040 Come here. 1064 00:54:36,073 --> 00:54:37,207 Let's get a snack. 1065 00:54:37,241 --> 00:54:38,543 Did you look at the stuff that the National 1066 00:54:38,576 --> 00:54:40,678 Toxicology Program released? 1067 00:54:40,711 --> 00:54:42,380 - I didn't. 1068 00:54:42,413 --> 00:54:44,749 Well, one thing they ended up saying about MCHM 1069 00:54:44,782 --> 00:54:48,018 is that it could cause reproductive harm. 1070 00:54:49,086 --> 00:54:51,389 - His muscle development was a little off, but-- 1071 00:54:51,422 --> 00:54:52,890 The symptoms associate with that 1072 00:54:52,923 --> 00:54:54,459 are developmental. 1073 00:54:54,492 --> 00:54:57,662 - Yeah, that's crazy actually. 1074 00:54:57,695 --> 00:54:58,829 That's weird. 1075 00:54:58,863 --> 00:55:03,000 But he's fine now, but he was about six months behind 1076 00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:07,872 in muscle development for a while, so. 1077 00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,575 - You know, we were worried, and we of course 1078 00:55:10,608 --> 00:55:12,977 had that in the back of our mind that, 1079 00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:14,545 there was no medical monitoring. 1080 00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:16,046 There was no doctor visits that happened 1081 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,049 every single year to check in or anything like that 1082 00:55:19,083 --> 00:55:21,686 to show, I guess, a conclusion. 1083 00:55:30,595 --> 00:55:32,062 On your data? 1084 00:55:32,096 --> 00:55:35,800 The study proving MCHM was twice as toxic? 1085 00:55:56,086 --> 00:55:57,922 But why would the CDC go out of their way 1086 00:55:57,955 --> 00:56:00,591 to hide the truth about MCHM? 1087 00:56:01,492 --> 00:56:03,027 It didn't make sense. 1088 00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:31,021 January of 2016, it's when the international spotlight 1089 00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:33,023 turned towards the lead contamination 1090 00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:36,561 in the drinking water of Flint, Michigan. 1091 00:56:36,594 --> 00:56:39,997 - It used to be cars were made in Flint, 1092 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,868 and you couldn't drink the water in Mexico. 1093 00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:46,671 Now, the cars are made in Mexico, 1094 00:56:47,872 --> 00:56:51,108 and you can't drink the water in Flint. 1095 00:56:52,543 --> 00:56:54,745 It makes you feel bad as a parent to know 1096 00:56:54,779 --> 00:56:58,549 that you've been poisoning your child all this time. 1097 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,050 Why are you worrying? 1098 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:00,918 - Because. 1099 00:57:03,020 --> 00:57:06,857 - I'm afraid it's not gonna be fixed. 1100 00:57:06,891 --> 00:57:08,759 - We're gonna have problems with kids in special education 1101 00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:12,630 services, cognition, behavioral problems, focusing. 1102 00:57:12,663 --> 00:57:14,231 It was a shot in the dark, 1103 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:16,567 but maybe this contamination held the key 1104 00:57:16,601 --> 00:57:19,136 to opening up this story. 1105 00:57:19,169 --> 00:57:21,839 - A lot of people in Flint have lead pipe like this 1106 00:57:21,872 --> 00:57:24,509 going from the water main that runs down the street 1107 00:57:24,542 --> 00:57:26,010 into their homes. 1108 00:57:26,043 --> 00:57:27,077 Scientists from Virginia Tech came up 1109 00:57:27,111 --> 00:57:28,879 to test the water in Flint. 1110 00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:31,516 - The corrosive water actually ate up every 1111 00:57:31,549 --> 00:57:33,651 metallic pipe in the system. 1112 00:57:33,684 --> 00:57:35,052 Government officials it turns out, 1113 00:57:35,085 --> 00:57:36,086 did know about the lead. 1114 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,089 - We are fully cooperating with investigations 1115 00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:41,726 and will hold those individuals accountable. 1116 00:57:41,759 --> 00:57:45,129 Unlike MCHM, lead doesn't have an odor. 1117 00:57:45,162 --> 00:57:48,265 This had enabled officials to cover this up 1118 00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,100 for over two years. 1119 00:57:56,841 --> 00:57:58,776 But I had a hard time that officials 1120 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:01,011 would knowingly poison 8,000 kids 1121 00:58:01,045 --> 00:58:03,848 just to save a few bucks on water. 1122 00:58:09,286 --> 00:58:13,057 - The parts per billion in her house was over 13,000. 1123 00:58:13,090 --> 00:58:14,725 13,000. 1124 00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:16,260 I've never seen a level that high. 1125 00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:20,097 And the state removed her house from the sampling protocol. 1126 00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:22,099 Like, where are the red flags that were going off 1127 00:58:22,132 --> 00:58:23,067 in people's brains? 1128 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,736 Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha is one of 1129 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:29,173 two main people that brought this contamination to light. 1130 00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:31,075 She looked at the blood results of more than 1131 00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:32,242 1,700 children from Flint. 1132 00:58:32,276 --> 00:58:34,945 - So we were attacked. 1133 00:58:34,979 --> 00:58:37,915 The state said I was causing near hysteria. 1134 00:58:37,948 --> 00:58:40,217 That their numbers were not consistent with our numbers. 1135 00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:42,152 When the state tells you you're wrong, it's hard 1136 00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:43,087 not to second-guess yourself. 1137 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,122 They have a team of 50 epidemiologists. 1138 00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,757 You're supposed to sample from homes 1139 00:58:46,791 --> 00:58:47,925 that have lead plumbing. 1140 00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:50,094 They sampled from homes that didn't have lead plumbing, 1141 00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:52,129 so there was a lot of kind of manipulations 1142 00:58:52,162 --> 00:58:56,100 of how the water lead levels were being done. 1143 00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:59,704 So it continued the almost two years of denial, denial. 1144 00:58:59,737 --> 00:59:01,171 There's a problem. 1145 00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:03,040 I was reminded of the CDC refusing 1146 00:59:03,073 --> 00:59:05,109 Dr. Whelton's results. 1147 00:59:05,142 --> 00:59:09,580 Why were these agencies covering up the facts? 1148 00:59:09,614 --> 00:59:11,716 What's strange is that it didn't even seem like 1149 00:59:11,749 --> 00:59:13,317 the politicians were in on it. 1150 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:17,087 Here's the governor of Michigan testifying before Congress. 1151 00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:19,223 - We'd go back to the experts over and over again. 1152 00:59:19,256 --> 00:59:21,792 We were told the water was safe. 1153 00:59:21,826 --> 00:59:23,160 That was wrong. 1154 00:59:23,193 --> 00:59:24,995 It wasn't just one department. 1155 00:59:25,029 --> 00:59:26,731 As it continued on, we got information not only 1156 00:59:26,764 --> 00:59:29,133 from the DEQ but the Department of Health 1157 00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:30,635 and Human Services that they didn't see 1158 00:59:30,668 --> 00:59:32,336 elevated levels in blood. 1159 00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:34,171 These departments that he's describing, 1160 00:59:34,204 --> 00:59:36,641 they're analogs to the ones that Randy Huffman 1161 00:59:36,674 --> 00:59:38,208 and Dr. Gupta run. 1162 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:40,110 - Here's my briefing from the night before, 1163 00:59:40,144 --> 00:59:42,079 and it's information from both those departments 1164 00:59:42,112 --> 00:59:44,214 dismissing people. 1165 00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:47,117 I get so mad that I never should have believed them. 1166 00:59:47,151 --> 00:59:49,086 So we had cases where it took outside experts. 1167 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,087 That's tragic. 1168 00:59:51,221 --> 00:59:52,289 - So this is scary. 1169 00:59:52,322 --> 00:59:56,160 You've got reproductive toxins, some cancer hazards. 1170 00:59:56,193 --> 00:59:57,895 Well, at least they're labeled. 1171 00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:58,763 - Yeah. 1172 00:59:58,796 --> 01:00:01,999 DC prepared me and my team for Flint. 1173 01:00:04,068 --> 01:00:07,171 Dr. Marc Edwards, outside expert 1174 01:00:07,204 --> 01:00:08,939 in Flint, number two. 1175 01:00:08,973 --> 01:00:11,041 It turns out this wasn't even the first time 1176 01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:14,078 he had gone toe to toe with federal agencies 1177 01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:15,913 over lead in drinking water. 1178 01:00:15,946 --> 01:00:19,316 - I had fought a 12 year battle in Washington DC 1179 01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:23,387 exposing government science agency corruption. 1180 01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:26,290 The Center for Disease Control, the USEPA, 1181 01:00:26,323 --> 01:00:28,392 the environmental policemen we pay to protect us 1182 01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:31,662 were actually the environmental criminals. 1183 01:00:31,696 --> 01:00:33,831 I mean, I know longer trust the CDC. 1184 01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:34,765 Why? 1185 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:37,802 Because the upper levels of CDC is proving 1186 01:00:37,835 --> 01:00:40,671 themselves untrustworthy to me. 1187 01:00:40,705 --> 01:00:44,709 The amount of harm in Washington DC is 30 times worse 1188 01:00:44,742 --> 01:00:46,811 than what happened in Flint, Michigan. 1189 01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:49,146 They poisoned thousands of children, 1190 01:00:49,179 --> 01:00:52,683 covered it up for about seven years. 1191 01:00:52,717 --> 01:00:56,120 I had to betray some of my best friends, people I went 1192 01:00:56,153 --> 01:00:59,189 to graduate school with, who were working with the EPA 1193 01:00:59,223 --> 01:01:02,159 and creating fabricated reports. 1194 01:01:04,461 --> 01:01:06,063 Is it lobbyists? 1195 01:01:06,096 --> 01:01:07,197 Is it the politicians who appoint them? 1196 01:01:07,231 --> 01:01:11,802 - Well, how could the Catholic church do what it did? 1197 01:01:13,237 --> 01:01:15,973 Make it in your interest to engage in unethical behavior 1198 01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:18,408 to cover up problems, and if you can get away with it, 1199 01:01:18,442 --> 01:01:20,077 you will do that. 1200 01:01:21,011 --> 01:01:22,747 Ultimately, there was a Congressional hearing 1201 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,015 where they were chastised publicly, 1202 01:01:25,049 --> 01:01:27,117 but no one was ever held accountable. 1203 01:01:27,151 --> 01:01:29,053 It seemed history was repeating itself. 1204 01:01:29,086 --> 01:01:31,889 Here's the head of the EPA at the Congressional 1205 01:01:31,922 --> 01:01:33,891 hearing about Flint. 1206 01:01:33,924 --> 01:01:37,394 Has anybody been fired? 1207 01:01:37,427 --> 01:01:39,129 That's a question. 1208 01:01:39,163 --> 01:01:40,130 - No, sir. 1209 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,968 - No, sir. 1210 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:47,004 - EPA covered this up every step of the way. 1211 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:51,742 They will protect their reputation above all else. 1212 01:01:51,776 --> 01:01:53,744 - Oversight was our responsibility. 1213 01:01:53,778 --> 01:01:56,346 We took that seriously, and we conducted it. 1214 01:01:56,380 --> 01:01:58,215 Does that mean I don't have regrets? 1215 01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:00,517 - One heroic employee there, he wrote a memo 1216 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:03,921 that said EPA should exert emergency powers. 1217 01:02:03,954 --> 01:02:06,323 But in response, he was told that they weren't 1218 01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:09,059 sure Flint was the kind of community they wanted 1219 01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:11,228 to go out on a limb for. 1220 01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:15,532 And so this EPA official was ignored over and over again. 1221 01:02:15,565 --> 01:02:18,302 He was so fed up that after 27 years of working 1222 01:02:18,335 --> 01:02:21,138 for the EPA, he had this to say. 1223 01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:23,073 "People trying to do the right thing are constantly 1224 01:02:23,107 --> 01:02:26,176 "being subjected to intense scrutiny as if we were 1225 01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:28,145 "doing something wrong. 1226 01:02:28,178 --> 01:02:30,781 "It's all of this, don't find anything bad crap 1227 01:02:30,815 --> 01:02:34,118 "at EPA that's the reason I desperately want to leave. 1228 01:02:34,151 --> 01:02:36,020 "EPA is a cesspool." 1229 01:02:37,421 --> 01:02:40,090 This would explain why in the months after Flint 1230 01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:43,193 when other communities tested their water systems, 1231 01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:46,897 it turned out that Flint was just the tip of the iceberg. 1232 01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:49,033 - Pittsburghers are likely drinking water laced 1233 01:02:49,066 --> 01:02:50,200 with toxic lead. 1234 01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:52,402 - Chicago parks shut off hundreds of drinking fountains. 1235 01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:54,204 The water in Garfield, Texas. 1236 01:02:54,238 --> 01:02:55,973 - 10% of Portland homes. 1237 01:02:56,006 --> 01:02:58,809 - All drinking fountains at Ohio's most important 1238 01:02:58,843 --> 01:03:00,344 and historic building. 1239 01:03:00,377 --> 01:03:02,179 According to an investigation 1240 01:03:02,212 --> 01:03:04,849 conducted by Reuters, nearly 3,000 areas 1241 01:03:04,882 --> 01:03:09,053 had lead poisoning rates far higher than in Flint. 1242 01:03:12,256 --> 01:03:14,191 - And then you ask the question, well, if they're 1243 01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:17,394 doing that for lead in water, what else are they hiding? 1244 01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:20,230 - How can we trust any of the science 1245 01:03:20,264 --> 01:03:23,600 that's coming out of the EPA, if this is the culture there? 1246 01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:24,835 - That's the reality. 1247 01:03:24,869 --> 01:03:25,870 You cannot. 1248 01:03:25,903 --> 01:03:28,072 It seemed that the EPA and CDC were 1249 01:03:28,105 --> 01:03:32,276 too busy protecting their own reputations to be trusted. 1250 01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:36,480 If Dr. Edwards was right, it's what I'd been missing. 1251 01:03:41,418 --> 01:03:44,254 - The fact is most whistle blowers regret it. 1252 01:03:44,288 --> 01:03:47,157 I was at the top of the game at EPA. 1253 01:03:47,191 --> 01:03:50,094 In my case, the EPA funded the University of Georgia 1254 01:03:50,127 --> 01:03:53,097 to publish 20 years of fake data to counteract 1255 01:03:53,130 --> 01:03:56,400 research I published at UGA documenting 1256 01:03:57,434 --> 01:03:59,403 adverse health affects. 1257 01:03:59,436 --> 01:04:04,141 - How are you sure the data was being falsified, made up? 1258 01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:07,344 - The scientists admitting under oath the data were faked 1259 01:04:07,377 --> 01:04:10,047 and that they believed people were getting sick. 1260 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,251 In one case, a federal judge ruled the data were fabricated. 1261 01:04:15,085 --> 01:04:19,256 The CDC is doing exactly the same thing that EPA is doing. 1262 01:04:20,624 --> 01:04:23,994 The most astounding part of that is that even 1263 01:04:24,028 --> 01:04:28,198 when the CDC and EPA admit their data are fake 1264 01:04:28,232 --> 01:04:30,935 and they're caught, they still will not remove it 1265 01:04:30,968 --> 01:04:32,502 from the scientific literature. 1266 01:04:32,536 --> 01:04:36,406 Political appointees go through the revolving door 1267 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,342 between government and industry. 1268 01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:41,345 They're washing each other's hands. 1269 01:04:41,378 --> 01:04:44,281 Who runs independent tests outside 1270 01:04:44,314 --> 01:04:47,017 of these agencies to ensure the drinking water is safe? 1271 01:04:47,051 --> 01:04:48,218 - That's the scary thing. 1272 01:04:48,252 --> 01:04:49,419 Almost no one. 1273 01:04:52,622 --> 01:04:54,458 There are other chemicals going into the 1274 01:04:54,491 --> 01:04:58,228 water that are not being tested, not being reported. 1275 01:04:58,262 --> 01:05:00,030 And there is a method for figuring out 1276 01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,031 what those chemicals are. 1277 01:05:01,065 --> 01:05:04,201 - It's wicked expensive to do chemical testing. 1278 01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:05,169 If you're looking to find something, 1279 01:05:05,202 --> 01:05:07,471 you need to know what you're looking for. 1280 01:05:07,504 --> 01:05:09,273 And that's a huge undertaking. 1281 01:05:15,279 --> 01:05:16,446 The plan was to test near major 1282 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,482 industrial sites in the river. 1283 01:05:18,515 --> 01:05:21,251 If we found any chemicals at a high concentration, 1284 01:05:21,285 --> 01:05:24,621 we would test for that same chemical in taps downstream. 1285 01:05:24,654 --> 01:05:27,291 It was impossible to test for everything, 1286 01:05:27,324 --> 01:05:31,561 so we picked chemicals that were the most likely suspects. 1287 01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:52,616 So have you been drinking the water? 1288 01:05:52,649 --> 01:05:56,220 - I haven't since the whole thing started. 1289 01:05:56,253 --> 01:05:59,256 You know, you have one bout with rare cancer, 1290 01:05:59,289 --> 01:06:01,625 and you're real careful after that. 1291 01:06:01,658 --> 01:06:05,262 I have a son in law who works for DuPont. 1292 01:06:05,295 --> 01:06:08,198 Yeah, we're right down from it now. 1293 01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:10,100 Yeah, I'm real curious 1294 01:06:10,134 --> 01:06:12,169 what they're puttin' in the water. 1295 01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:13,403 - I am, too. 1296 01:06:13,437 --> 01:06:14,271 I am, too. 1297 01:06:28,318 --> 01:06:29,319 All right. 1298 01:06:29,353 --> 01:06:30,120 What's that, Rick? 1299 01:06:30,154 --> 01:06:31,055 There's a boat coming towards us? 1300 01:06:31,088 --> 01:06:32,789 We can fill these up on the way. 1301 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:34,291 - All right, let's get out of here. 1302 01:06:39,529 --> 01:06:42,232 Two months later, the scientist that I'd been 1303 01:06:42,266 --> 01:06:45,802 working with at USGS or United States Geological Survey 1304 01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:48,505 sent me an email with the results. 1305 01:06:48,538 --> 01:06:51,075 His response was surprising. 1306 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,311 There was no smoking gun. 1307 01:06:54,344 --> 01:06:56,780 They found very little of the chemicals that they expected 1308 01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:57,947 to be in the river. 1309 01:06:57,981 --> 01:07:01,251 And we had done our testing near what should have been 1310 01:07:01,285 --> 01:07:02,786 the release points. 1311 01:07:02,819 --> 01:07:05,222 Either we had done something wrong, 1312 01:07:05,255 --> 01:07:06,390 or they really weren't releasing 1313 01:07:06,423 --> 01:07:09,559 all that much into the river. 1314 01:07:09,593 --> 01:07:13,397 However, there was something that I didn't understand. 1315 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:16,333 In the lab report, there are all of these unidentified 1316 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,068 tiny little peaks. 1317 01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:22,839 What was the big thing that you uncovered? 1318 01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:25,475 - People in towns and cities across America 1319 01:07:25,509 --> 01:07:29,279 were getting sick that lived next to where 1320 01:07:29,313 --> 01:07:33,350 land application of sewage sludge was occurring. 1321 01:07:33,383 --> 01:07:36,320 See, material that settles out at sewage treatment plants 1322 01:07:36,353 --> 01:07:40,324 is mostly human feces mixed with industrial waste, 1323 01:07:40,357 --> 01:07:42,259 and it's free fertilizer. 1324 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,331 Some of it's sold at Home Depot and other outlets. 1325 01:07:47,364 --> 01:07:51,568 Every chemical that could possibly cause harm 1326 01:07:51,601 --> 01:07:54,304 to human health is there. 1327 01:07:54,338 --> 01:07:58,275 So I went about to document these illnesses and deaths 1328 01:07:58,308 --> 01:08:01,645 and found out that they were linked to an EPA policy. 1329 01:08:01,678 --> 01:08:06,216 In the early '70s passed the Clean Water Act. 1330 01:08:06,250 --> 01:08:10,187 That made a very expensive industry to pollute 1331 01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:14,258 our rivers and lakes, so once their lobbyists got involved 1332 01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:18,428 and they got in bed with EPA and vice versa, 1333 01:08:18,462 --> 01:08:21,765 what they wanted was, there's no clean soil act. 1334 01:08:21,798 --> 01:08:25,902 Let's just dump all this on land, not regulate it, 1335 01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:27,871 and make it free for us. 1336 01:08:27,904 --> 01:08:30,707 That's what happened in 1993. 1337 01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,477 That was the first Clinton administration. 1338 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,346 The agency was reorganized science-wise, 1339 01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:38,415 so it became very political at that point. 1340 01:08:38,448 --> 01:08:39,916 - So industry is basically flushing 1341 01:08:39,949 --> 01:08:42,386 chemicals down the drain? 1342 01:08:42,419 --> 01:08:43,853 - Now, they don't have to build a pipe 1343 01:08:43,887 --> 01:08:46,390 to the river and pay for it. 1344 01:08:46,423 --> 01:08:48,625 They flush it down the toilet. 1345 01:08:48,658 --> 01:08:51,428 - That would explain why when I tested the river, 1346 01:08:51,461 --> 01:08:53,830 it was cleaner than I expected. 1347 01:08:53,863 --> 01:08:58,568 - Yeah, it's now going everywhere we 1348 01:08:58,602 --> 01:09:02,772 school playgrounds, parks, golf courses, farms, forests. 1349 01:09:05,242 --> 01:09:08,578 It rains, so it runs off into creeks and streams. 1350 01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:10,447 It goes into the rivers and lakes. 1351 01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,651 - I have to admit it sounds a little far-fetched to me. 1352 01:09:16,786 --> 01:09:18,622 - Well, you see what happened in Flint. 1353 01:09:18,655 --> 01:09:22,892 The mere fact that scientists cannot publish data 1354 01:09:22,926 --> 01:09:25,829 that shows what the government's doing and what 1355 01:09:25,862 --> 01:09:29,766 universities are doing, that explains all this. 1356 01:09:32,802 --> 01:09:35,805 - How old are the people who died? 1357 01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,376 - From small children to elderly people. 1358 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,215 Looking back at the data from the river, 1359 01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:46,750 it now made sense. 1360 01:09:46,783 --> 01:09:50,420 All of these little peaks, they represented chemicals. 1361 01:09:50,454 --> 01:09:54,224 Instead of there being huge amounts of just a few chemicals, 1362 01:09:54,258 --> 01:09:57,927 there were small amounts of hundreds, if not thousands. 1363 01:09:57,961 --> 01:10:00,664 And they couldn't be identified because we didn't 1364 01:10:00,697 --> 01:10:03,233 know what to look for. 1365 01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:05,835 Very little research is being done in this field. 1366 01:10:05,869 --> 01:10:09,306 However, there were a number of studies that had looked 1367 01:10:09,339 --> 01:10:12,642 for low levels of drugs appearing in rivers. 1368 01:10:12,676 --> 01:10:16,880 Drugs that people consume and then flush down the drain. 1369 01:10:16,913 --> 01:10:21,285 Antidepressants, steroids, antibiotics, even meth, 1370 01:10:23,420 --> 01:10:27,291 every drug researchers had looked for was in the river 1371 01:10:27,324 --> 01:10:30,394 in the parts per billion range. 1372 01:10:30,427 --> 01:10:33,297 And when they tested fertilizer made from sewage sludge, 1373 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:36,266 in many cases the drugs were there, too, 1374 01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,436 but at exponentially higher levels. 1375 01:10:39,469 --> 01:10:41,471 This research was indisputable. 1376 01:10:41,505 --> 01:10:42,839 It had been replicated by multiple 1377 01:10:42,872 --> 01:10:45,241 agencies across the globe. 1378 01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:47,811 Dr. Lewis was right. 1379 01:10:47,844 --> 01:10:50,680 Clearly these peaks were not all benign. 1380 01:10:50,714 --> 01:10:54,784 If these chemicals were all appearing in river samples, 1381 01:10:54,818 --> 01:10:58,988 then were they getting into our drinking water as well? 1382 01:11:00,557 --> 01:11:01,525 Some of your chemicals 1383 01:11:01,558 --> 01:11:03,026 are starting to come off. 1384 01:11:03,059 --> 01:11:04,894 - Each of those peaks is a chemical? 1385 01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:08,332 - This whole area underneath here is probably 1386 01:11:08,365 --> 01:11:12,068 200 different chemicals are coming off right now. 1387 01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,070 - This sample was from my own 1388 01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:16,306 tap water in California. 1389 01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:22,746 It turns out that there is a way to identify 1390 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:24,814 some of the peaks. 1391 01:11:24,848 --> 01:11:27,384 The sample can be run against a huge database of chemicals, 1392 01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:30,320 and sometimes you can find a match. 1393 01:11:32,088 --> 01:11:34,624 So we tested downstream of the chemical valley. 1394 01:11:34,658 --> 01:11:38,395 If we did find a chemical of concern, I believed 1395 01:11:38,428 --> 01:11:42,432 that Dr. Gupta and possibly Randy Huffman would help us 1396 01:11:42,466 --> 01:11:47,103 proving that regulators can put science before politics. 1397 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,081 Now, there were other chemicals found. 1398 01:11:58,114 --> 01:11:59,816 This is the one that I thought was 1399 01:11:59,849 --> 01:12:01,084 the most concerning of the bunch. 1400 01:12:01,117 --> 01:12:03,753 It says one, one, two, two tetrachloroethane. 1401 01:12:03,787 --> 01:12:06,356 It has a quality match of 96 that we found 1402 01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:07,824 in four of the five locations. 1403 01:12:07,857 --> 01:12:10,727 It's three to four times more toxic than MCHM. 1404 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,762 California considers it to be a carcinogen. 1405 01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:15,399 A little less than one part per billion. 1406 01:12:15,432 --> 01:12:17,133 But what I'm really trying to understand is like, 1407 01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:19,135 is this a big deal or not? 1408 01:12:19,168 --> 01:12:21,371 - These are small numbers, but they're significant 1409 01:12:21,405 --> 01:12:23,440 numbers to my mind, you know. 1410 01:12:23,473 --> 01:12:25,074 This is coming out of the water plant. 1411 01:12:25,108 --> 01:12:29,379 - I didn't realize those were drinking water samples. 1412 01:12:29,413 --> 01:12:30,313 That's a huge deal. 1413 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:34,384 So the analytics were done by USGS labs? 1414 01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:35,385 Yeah. 1415 01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:36,886 They do great science. 1416 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,455 - The lead chemist who did this research, 1417 01:12:38,488 --> 01:12:40,857 he has 130 scientific papers published. 1418 01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:43,493 He felt very confident that this chemical was there. 1419 01:12:43,527 --> 01:12:45,094 - One of the guys who used to work for me, 1420 01:12:45,128 --> 01:12:47,731 he's a PhD chemist, he seems to think it's real. 1421 01:12:47,764 --> 01:12:50,467 I mean, I expected to be unconvinced. 1422 01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:51,401 I did, too. 1423 01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:52,769 - I'm convinced. 1424 01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:55,505 It's real. 1425 01:12:56,172 --> 01:12:57,907 Have we gone upstream? 1426 01:12:57,941 --> 01:12:59,443 We didn't find any high concentrations 1427 01:12:59,476 --> 01:13:01,545 of this in our river testing. 1428 01:13:01,578 --> 01:13:03,947 But it could be leaching out of soil. 1429 01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:06,483 It doesn't mean it was dumped. 1430 01:13:06,516 --> 01:13:07,917 - That doesn't mean it's still not a crisis 1431 01:13:07,951 --> 01:13:10,053 because if it's happened this time, it's happened 1432 01:13:10,086 --> 01:13:12,188 in the past, and it will happen again in the future. 1433 01:13:12,221 --> 01:13:15,191 If you had buy-in from state agencies, tell the public 1434 01:13:15,224 --> 01:13:18,194 about this, that would be good if they'd play. 1435 01:13:18,227 --> 01:13:19,629 - Yeah, but Jeff McIntyre's the president 1436 01:13:19,663 --> 01:13:22,198 of West Virginia American Water. 1437 01:13:22,231 --> 01:13:25,134 I think you need to give it a shot. 1438 01:13:25,168 --> 01:13:26,936 So I sent an email to the key players 1439 01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,204 in American Water. 1440 01:13:28,237 --> 01:13:29,673 I hadn't heard back. 1441 01:13:29,706 --> 01:13:31,040 It looks like reception's locked. 1442 01:13:31,074 --> 01:13:32,442 That's weird. 1443 01:13:32,476 --> 01:13:34,911 It's the middle of a work day. 1444 01:13:34,944 --> 01:13:35,779 Okay. 1445 01:13:37,013 --> 01:13:40,216 I am here to speak to either Laura Jordan or Jeff McIntyre 1446 01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:44,420 about some data regarding a chemical in the water. 1447 01:13:45,489 --> 01:13:47,457 They're behind closed doors. 1448 01:13:47,491 --> 01:13:50,159 Can you have one of them give me a call back? 1449 01:13:50,193 --> 01:13:52,128 All right, I just need to be able to share this data 1450 01:13:52,161 --> 01:13:54,531 with somebody who can look at it 1451 01:13:54,564 --> 01:13:56,065 and make an informed decision. 1452 01:13:59,969 --> 01:14:01,771 So these concentrations pretty much match 1453 01:14:01,805 --> 01:14:03,172 what we found in the river. 1454 01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:04,841 - So you found it in taps, too. 1455 01:14:04,874 --> 01:14:06,009 - Yeah, correct. 1456 01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:08,878 We weren't able to pinpoint a source, so I'm thinking 1457 01:14:08,912 --> 01:14:10,580 maybe it's due to rainfall. 1458 01:14:10,614 --> 01:14:12,682 - You didn't sample in the Ohio River. 1459 01:14:12,716 --> 01:14:13,783 - No, I haven't done that yet. 1460 01:14:13,817 --> 01:14:15,719 That would be something that'd be really good to do, 1461 01:14:15,752 --> 01:14:17,253 especially after everything thaws. 1462 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:18,387 - We just don't know. 1463 01:14:18,421 --> 01:14:21,157 We just gotta do some research and see what we find 1464 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,727 and if we can find anything. 1465 01:14:24,594 --> 01:14:27,196 You have any plans to share this information 1466 01:14:27,230 --> 01:14:30,834 with our state health department, Bureau 1467 01:14:30,867 --> 01:14:34,671 I mean, they regulate drinking water. 1468 01:14:34,704 --> 01:14:36,940 - Well, I sent Dr. Gupta all of the data. 1469 01:14:36,973 --> 01:14:39,809 He hasn't made time yet, so. 1470 01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:40,677 - Okay. 1471 01:14:42,746 --> 01:14:44,180 A big event was planned in the shadow 1472 01:14:44,213 --> 01:14:47,684 of the capitol to celebrate safe water. 1473 01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,089 Dr. Gupta and the president of West Virginia 1474 01:14:53,122 --> 01:14:56,626 American Water were both keynote speakers. 1475 01:14:57,961 --> 01:15:01,230 - How much information is to be shared? 1476 01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:08,037 When we don't know something, 1477 01:15:08,071 --> 01:15:09,238 I will tell you we don't know it. 1478 01:15:09,272 --> 01:15:10,774 Thank you for having me today. 1479 01:15:20,083 --> 01:15:23,987 - Yeah, but what's the minimum detection limit? 1480 01:15:25,254 --> 01:15:27,156 That's really important. 1481 01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:29,659 All I know with a very high degree of certainty 1482 01:15:29,693 --> 01:15:31,294 is that it was in the water two months ago. 1483 01:15:31,327 --> 01:15:33,296 Like, if you had someone from your department 1484 01:15:33,329 --> 01:15:35,031 go and run tests-- 1485 01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,773 I mean, I sent you all the data. 1486 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:51,948 But if the chemical is in fact there, 1487 01:15:51,981 --> 01:15:55,619 then it's something that requires a degree of speed. 1488 01:15:55,652 --> 01:15:57,854 Do you think that the public should at least 1489 01:15:57,887 --> 01:16:01,625 have the ability to make a decision about this 1490 01:16:01,658 --> 01:16:03,660 from the available data? 1491 01:16:06,362 --> 01:16:08,598 It would only be carefully disseminated information 1492 01:16:08,632 --> 01:16:12,802 that explains exactly what we know and what we don't know. 1493 01:16:21,344 --> 01:16:22,311 Thank you, Dr. Gupta. 1494 01:16:22,345 --> 01:16:24,914 - I do think people have a right to know if any 1495 01:16:24,948 --> 01:16:28,184 substances are going to end up in their drinking water. 1496 01:16:28,217 --> 01:16:32,055 I think people do have a right to know that up front 1497 01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:33,623 whether these substances are classified 1498 01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:36,660 as hazardous or non-hazardous. 1499 01:16:36,693 --> 01:16:38,161 In the coming days, his department 1500 01:16:38,194 --> 01:16:40,263 would look for any holes they could find in our data 1501 01:16:40,296 --> 01:16:43,366 implying that we had somehow added this chemical 1502 01:16:43,399 --> 01:16:45,835 into the samples ourselves. 1503 01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:49,305 Behind the scenes, officials had already cast so much doubt, 1504 01:16:49,338 --> 01:16:53,009 the local press seemed nervous to run the story. 1505 01:16:53,042 --> 01:16:55,378 It was hard to blame them as it reminded me of something 1506 01:16:55,411 --> 01:16:57,280 Dr. Edwards had said. 1507 01:16:57,313 --> 01:17:02,051 - You have to fight this on your own because who else 1508 01:17:02,085 --> 01:17:03,820 wants to pay a price? 1509 01:17:05,388 --> 01:17:08,391 I had exhausted every option except for one. 1510 01:17:08,424 --> 01:17:09,392 Can I hold that for one sec? 1511 01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:10,426 - Yeah. 1512 01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:11,795 - While we wait for those answers to come in, 1513 01:17:11,828 --> 01:17:13,963 I have an announcement to make. 1514 01:17:13,997 --> 01:17:17,801 So four months ago, I went the Kanawha River, 1515 01:17:17,834 --> 01:17:19,235 and I took samples. 1516 01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:20,870 It was an audience full of health department 1517 01:17:20,904 --> 01:17:22,772 and water company employees. 1518 01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:25,842 I hoped that maybe they would respond to facts. 1519 01:17:25,875 --> 01:17:27,844 These tests came back at a range of 1520 01:17:27,877 --> 01:17:31,080 between .5 and .85 parts per billion. 1521 01:17:31,114 --> 01:17:33,282 These levels are not considered to be safe 1522 01:17:33,316 --> 01:17:35,384 in eight states in this country. 1523 01:17:35,418 --> 01:17:37,286 This should warrant further investigation 1524 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,888 by your state officials. 1525 01:17:38,922 --> 01:17:39,889 Thank you. 1526 01:17:43,426 --> 01:17:45,795 - So I think it's kind of reprehensible to come up 1527 01:17:45,829 --> 01:17:48,832 and make a statement when you think you're sure, 1528 01:17:48,865 --> 01:17:50,433 but I can tell you I am sure. 1529 01:17:50,466 --> 01:17:52,401 And there is no concern with the Huntington water supply 1530 01:17:52,435 --> 01:17:54,871 relating to that chemical. 1531 01:17:54,904 --> 01:17:57,907 Imagine if officials had waited two months 1532 01:17:57,941 --> 01:18:00,176 after the original spill. 1533 01:18:00,209 --> 01:18:02,912 They wouldn't have found anything. 1534 01:18:02,946 --> 01:18:06,415 Not to mention that the soil was now frozen. 1535 01:18:07,817 --> 01:18:10,219 To my knowledge, no testing by the regulatory 1536 01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:12,355 agencies was ever done. 1537 01:18:17,126 --> 01:18:18,895 The carcinogen I had brought attention to 1538 01:18:18,928 --> 01:18:21,330 in West Virginia, it was just the one chemical 1539 01:18:21,364 --> 01:18:24,901 that we could detect, and it was unregulated. 1540 01:18:24,934 --> 01:18:27,270 So legally it could be in the water. 1541 01:18:27,303 --> 01:18:29,505 But there were still thousands of chemicals 1542 01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:32,408 that the system couldn't find a match for, 1543 01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:35,044 chemicals you couldn't smell. 1544 01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:38,214 And we don't know if they're harmful or not 1545 01:18:38,247 --> 01:18:40,884 because the studies are all confidential, 1546 01:18:40,917 --> 01:18:45,021 and the science could be fake like it was with MCHM. 1547 01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:47,090 Besides, who's going to look for something 1548 01:18:47,123 --> 01:18:50,259 that they don't want to find? 1549 01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:52,495 Changing culture, both industry 1550 01:18:52,528 --> 01:18:54,363 and government is a tough thing. 1551 01:18:54,397 --> 01:18:55,598 It's not easy. 1552 01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:58,034 I mean, I'm absolutely working to change the culture within 1553 01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:01,337 our side of it, and it's not that easy. 1554 01:19:05,441 --> 01:19:08,845 We can exonerate ourselves in our own minds anyway 1555 01:19:08,878 --> 01:19:10,847 if there's a villain. 1556 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,083 That's why it's so easy to be a victim. 1557 01:19:14,117 --> 01:19:17,220 - Science is based completely on trust. 1558 01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:19,522 If scientists and engineers aren't trustworthy, 1559 01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:21,958 the public will turn against us. 1560 01:19:21,991 --> 01:19:24,127 And I think it's already happening. 1561 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,395 And they will turn to other sources of authority 1562 01:19:26,429 --> 01:19:29,365 who are historically less reliable. 1563 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:33,202 You could enter a new Dark Age. 1564 01:19:36,906 --> 01:19:38,541 - Failed environmental leadership has contributed 1565 01:19:38,574 --> 01:19:40,944 to two of the worst government-created environmental 1566 01:19:40,977 --> 01:19:43,346 disasters in decades, which have undermined 1567 01:19:43,379 --> 01:19:45,581 the American people's faith in the agency. 1568 01:19:45,614 --> 01:19:48,151 This is why I believe Trump nominated attorney general, 1569 01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:49,552 Pruitt, to serve as the administrator 1570 01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:51,487 of the Environmental Protection Agency. 1571 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,925 - Mr. Pruitt, you have sued the EPA 19 times to stop 1572 01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:59,395 clean air and water protections. 1573 01:19:59,428 --> 01:20:02,866 Do you believe there is any safe level of lead-- 1574 01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:04,834 - Senator, that's something I've not reviewed 1575 01:20:04,868 --> 01:20:06,335 nor know about. 1576 01:20:06,369 --> 01:20:09,338 I've not looked at the scientific research on that. 1577 01:20:09,372 --> 01:20:12,942 In 2017, Scott Pruitt, the new head of the EPA 1578 01:20:12,976 --> 01:20:15,511 began dismantling his own agency. 1579 01:20:16,512 --> 01:20:21,017 - We are going to end the EPA intrusion into your lives. 1580 01:20:21,050 --> 01:20:23,987 He fired nearly everyone on the independent 1581 01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:26,289 scientific advisory board. 1582 01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:30,393 Then began removing scientific research from public view. 1583 01:20:30,426 --> 01:20:34,030 - This is a wholesale wiping out of historical record. 1584 01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,332 The science that's we've developed and the actions 1585 01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,301 we've taken and why we took them. 1586 01:20:38,334 --> 01:20:41,337 You can disagree with many of those actions. 1587 01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:45,108 But what you can't do is simply deny history. 1588 01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:56,285 It was the culmination of regulators 1589 01:20:56,319 --> 01:21:00,556 behaving unethically, of politicians leveraging science 1590 01:21:03,026 --> 01:21:07,530 for their own benefit, of the public losing trust 1591 01:21:07,563 --> 01:21:11,334 in a broken system, but science isn't broken, 1592 01:21:14,203 --> 01:21:17,907 which means the system can be rebuilt. 1593 01:21:17,941 --> 01:21:22,111 But until that happens, it's probably best you remember 1594 01:21:23,512 --> 01:21:27,516 that we're all downstream of something. 1595 01:21:34,057 --> 01:21:36,592 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1596 01:21:38,061 --> 01:21:40,629 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1597 01:21:41,564 --> 01:21:44,333 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1598 01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:03,319 * Feel our flesh as we misbehave 1599 01:22:05,989 --> 01:22:09,458 * Drifting in the undertone 1600 01:22:10,994 --> 01:22:13,596 * Before you go 1601 01:22:13,629 --> 01:22:16,499 * It's safe now 1602 01:22:17,666 --> 01:22:21,537 * The water's just fine 1603 01:22:21,570 --> 01:22:25,608 * We close our eyes now 1604 01:22:25,641 --> 01:22:29,245 * I'm blind, and you are 1605 01:22:29,278 --> 01:22:31,114 - Sir are you gonna plead guilty? 1606 01:22:31,147 --> 01:22:33,549 * Oh, oh, oh 1607 01:22:33,582 --> 01:22:36,519 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1608 01:22:37,486 --> 01:22:41,124 * Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1609 01:22:56,405 --> 01:22:59,775 * Your body and breath will now keep me 1610 01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:03,512 * Breathing past midnight 1611 01:23:09,052 --> 01:23:11,720 - You've gotta stop politicizing either side 1612 01:23:11,754 --> 01:23:14,523 and get back to the science. 1613 01:23:18,761 --> 01:23:21,464 - That was all right. 1614 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:24,233 * Oh, oh, oh, oh 1615 01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:27,336 - Each of these individuals attempted to bury 1616 01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:31,474 or cover up the Michigan Department of 1617 01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:35,678 and the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services. 1618 01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:39,415 * Oh, oh, oh 1619 01:23:40,649 --> 01:23:43,252 * Oh, oh, oh 1620 01:23:44,753 --> 01:23:47,556 * On the shore 1621 01:23:48,424 --> 01:23:51,294 * To you I call 1622 01:23:52,495 --> 01:23:55,464 * We cannot fall 1623 01:24:04,573 --> 01:24:10,446 * Hide 'til spring time 1624 01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:18,321 * Sing 128580

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