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Harrison Ford.
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How can you not love the guy?
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{\an8}You probably
think of him as a star.
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- Han Solo.
- I thought he was
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so sexy and handsome.
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As a
Hollywood legend.
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He's the icon.
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All right, an icon.
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Oh God.
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He's a very interesting man.
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And he is.
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Who woulda thunk it?
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But no one
believed this ensemble actor
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could be a leading man.
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- This is our hero?
- Ow!
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- This guy?
- Few thought
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this former carpenter...
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I didn't even know how
long it took to bake a potato
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...could hold
much more than a hammer,
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let alone a movie franchise.
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Dr Jones.
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Yes.
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Harrison as a leading man.
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But the
history of Harrison...
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He had so much potential.
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...is
the story of a man
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who always knew what he wanted.
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I didn't want to do the same
thing over and over again.
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And always
worked to his own script.
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He say you Blade Runner.
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Tell him I'm eating.
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He didn't like to rehearse.
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- I love you.
- I know.
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He just ad-libbed that.
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From Han Solo...
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Harrison became the star.
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...to going solo.
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His success was
not by accident.
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From one big name...
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George Steven.
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...to the next,
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dodging all the
snakes in between.
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Is this a real snake?
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I think I'm the only actress
in town that has a snake.
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So join us.
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Hold onto your potatoes.
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For an adventure.
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It's not necessarily a
fun...
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...adventure.
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It's a wonderful story.
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With the man
who reinvented the genre.
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It wasn't a sure thing.
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And then
reinvented himself.
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Action star.
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I didn't kill my wife!
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And thinking, man.
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Harrison decided
that he wanted
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to actually learn how to fly.
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Get off my plane!
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I hear the plane, "Zzz."
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Crash.
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Air Force One
is down!
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I'll tell you a story
about Harrison that's true.
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As told
by the people in the room.
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What would be
the nice way to put it?
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Harrison might've
called him lurch.
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On set.
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He broke my fucking rib.
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I'm not doing this
piece of shit again.
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Behind the camera.
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He was acting all the way down
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to the crotch and
I was shooting.
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And on it.
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I was like, what the
fuck are you doing?
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What a lunatic!
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Does the word
asshole come into mind?
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What the fuck is
happening to my movie?
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One man.
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Get you
anything, Mr. Trainer?
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Coffee, tea, me?
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Almost 5
billion in box office.
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Holy mother of God.
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Across
nearly 50 years.
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He was not there to
just read the script.
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I told him to say that.
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So say it with us.
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Harrison Ford. Harrison
Ford. Harrison Ford.
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Because this is
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"Icons Unearthed:
Harrison Ford."
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Right from
the get-go,
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the young Harrison
Ford was ambitious,
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but realistic about acting.
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I had no discernible talent
for it, I think at first.
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But he definitely
came from the creative pedigree.
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{\an8}His parents were involved
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{\an8}in the advertising
business in Chicago.
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One quality that
would ultimately help Harrison
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with his acting ambitions,
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his desire to learn by doing.
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He was a hands-on
guy. He was a carpenter.
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{\an8}We all knew
Harrison as the guy
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{\an8}who'd finished our
kitchens and did carpentry.
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He did everything. He
did all kinds of stuff.
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He was even
briefly a cook on a yacht.
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I didn't even know how long
it took to bake a potato.
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Yo, he hadn't paid rent,
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when he was an
out-of-work actor.
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His first
lines in a film were short.
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Paging Mr. Ellis.
Paging Mr. Ellis.
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You wanna hear
my whole dialogue?
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Paging Mr. Ellis.
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And even
his short appearance...
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Room 607.
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...wouldn't
deter him from getting
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on the radar of just
the right people.
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{\an8}George Lucas gave him
his break, his big break.
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That was in
1973's American Graffiti.
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I wanted the job very badly.
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But when the studio
came back with their offer...
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I felt that what they were
offering me was just unfair.
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Well,
if it's not fair,
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someone should
check the numbers.
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They went over the entire
budget and they called me back
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and they offered me more money.
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Sorry if I scared you.
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And when I edited
American Graffiti,
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I was just enamored with
Harrison's performance.
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George's partner
in life and film, Marcia,
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had a knack for
spotting talents,
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and Ford was hard not to notice.
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I thought he
was so sexy and...
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So handsome and he
had so much potential.
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Hey, doll, why don't you
come on and ride with me.
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He made such an impression.
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You're gonna
appreciate me soon.
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After grappling
with a few minor roles
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{\an8}In Francis's
movie, The Conversation.
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Don't get involved
in this, Mr. Khan.
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And
Hi.
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struggling
to land a punch.
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I felt I never
had the opportunity
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to develop a technique which
finally began to serve me.
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But Harrison
quickly reunited with Lucas
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for the breakout
rule of a lifetime.
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Han Solo.
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I'm captain of the
Millennium Falcon.
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His big break is as Han Solo.
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Great kid! Don't get cocky!
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But as
for Star Wars, well,
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we've already
un-earthed that saga.
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Don't everybody
thank me at once.
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But if
you want the full story
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of how Harrison
picked up the blaster
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before a fedora,
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you can always
catch those episodes
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on your favorite
streaming services.
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But in the meantime,
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when the galactic opera
first hit theaters.
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We were in a crappy
hotel in Hawaii
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with George and Marcia,
and he got a telegram.
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I said, "You gotta watch
the news tonight, George."
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Tonight there
was a strange happening
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of lines around the block
from a movie
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that hasn't even opened yet.
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Star Wars
was a hit.
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Yee-ha!
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And
lucky for Harrison,
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Lucas had something
else up his sleeve
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and Steven Spielberg would
be the first to know.
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We were in Maui.
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And George told Steven about
this project that he had.
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But George didn't
just turn to Steven.
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He also confided in
Howard, a partner,
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going back to the early
days of Lucasfilm.
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George, they were talking
about taking old serials
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and putting them together.
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They wanted to do a cliffhanger
like episodic television.
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I'm sure that
voice came from here.
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Lucas wanted to
make a movie that reminded him
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of his first love of cinema.
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Like the old time
serials that we used
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{\an8}to see when we were kids.
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And as you know, a
serial is a cliffhanger.
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You see episode one and the
truck, a heroine is in it,
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and the truck drives off the
cliff and you think she's dead.
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Next week, episode two,
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just before it
drives off the cliff,
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she opens the door and
jumps out, she's safe.
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Old fashioned serials,
but all in one.
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The idea
was both old and new
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{\an8}and the serials had established
one thing George liked.
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We had an archetype
that had been created.
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The swashbuckling,
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occasionally vine swinging hero.
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{\an8}Steven was very, very
clear about the archetype
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of Indiana Jones.
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And
the archetype needed
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the right person behind it.
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Costume designer, Deborah
Landis fit the bill.
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I had a sketch
pad in front of me
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and I asked Steven to
draw Indiana Jones.
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And just like
that, Spielberg's sketched
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what would go on to
become one of the
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most iconic costumes
in Hollywood history.
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With his jacket and
his hat and the fedora.
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Of course, an archaeologist
carries a whip, doesn't he?
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Not.
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The costume had been worn
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by Charlton Heston in
at least two films.
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You hired me to pilot
your plane. Got that?
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So they had
their archetypal hero.
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The adventurer.
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And the
style of storytelling.
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An adventure picture.
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But Howard knew
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the most important
thing was still missing.
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What is it we're after?
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What is the treasure?
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What is the McGuffin?
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Whatever
the McGuffin,
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it was a man with
a different name.
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One of the local
filmmakers in San Francisco
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was Phil Kaufman.
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Who came
up with the McGuffin.
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Great McGuffin.
The Ark of the Covenant.
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The lost Ark?
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The Ark of the Covenant is
the McGuffin, so to speak.
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Nearly 3000 years,
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man has been searching
for the lost Ark.
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Where did Phil Kaufman
get that idea? His dentist.
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They
had their mission,
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but who was the hero on it?
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Did this guy even have a name?
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And George wanted to call
the hero Indiana Smith.
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It could so
easy have been Dr. Smith.
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But for one thing.
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I wanted to have a baby,
and I had the baby crazies.
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Except it became a
fur baby.
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Because George wasn't ready
for a family just yet.
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No, no, no.
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His career wasn't really,
you know, all that great.
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He said,
"But I'll get you a dog."
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So then I said, "Okay, Great."
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Then I call her "Indiana."
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And that's how
Indiana got her name.
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Which is
how Indiana got his name.
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Indiana Jones.
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He's named after the dog.
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Jones just rolled off of your
tongue better than Smith.
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George
Lucas had a great idea
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led by a character
named after a dog,
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but he was without
the one thing,
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he really needed to
realize his dream.
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So I remember sitting
out at the pool with George
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and George was saying,
"I gotta find a writer."
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"Where am I gonna go?"
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"How am I gonna get a writer?"
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"Who should I get for writing?"
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The answer to
that question is gonna start
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a career and kick off a
franchise at the same time.
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If there was one thing
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that has always been true in
Hollywood, it might be this.
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There has to be a story.
Story, story, story.
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George was
set on nearly every front,
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except when it came to a writer.
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Luckily, Empire Strikes
Back writer Lawrence Kasdan
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was ready to step in.
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{\an8}So Larry and
Steven and George met
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{\an8}and they discussed the plot.
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Kasdan
created a story big enough
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to film many a movie matinee.
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Larry went off
and wrote a draft,
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which was very, very good.
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Finally,
the film had a writer.
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- Yes.
- Script.
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- Yes.
- The money?
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Mmm.
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At last,
Indiana Jones had the writer
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and script George
had been waiting for.
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But could they
afford to make it?
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No.
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George didn't wanna fund
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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Lucas
wanted studio backing
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and planned to leverage
his Star Wars clout.
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I expect to be well paid.
I'm in it for the money.
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And he had a name
behind him with success.
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But
believe it or not,
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George's partner,
Spielberg wasn't coming in
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with the same box office
pedigree following
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a real American disaster.
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You're only as good
as your last picture.
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No,
not Pearl Harbor ,
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but Spielberg's movie about it.
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Steven had just done 1941 .
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Madness.
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1941 was a catastrophe
for going over budget.
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But Steven's
penchant for going over budget
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wouldn't be the deal breaker.
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The deal would be
the deal breaker.
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George said, you pay
for it and I own it.
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George Lucas owns the negative.
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He owns merchandising,
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he owns everything,
and he has control.
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We had four pictures
that Steranko the
artist conceptualized
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and I went out to
several of the studios
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with the four pictures
and the script.
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The first was Fox.
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Who would
say no to the director
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of the biggest
blockbuster of all time?
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Fox had done Star Wars .
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So Howard
and Co were not surprised
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by Fox Head, Alan
Ladd Jr's, reaction.
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And he said, "This
is a great picture."
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It was a yes.
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Mmm... No.
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Alan Ladd was basically
on his way out.
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He said, "I would say yes,
but I have no control here."
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Ultimately
Fox said no.
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But George
had other friends.
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Because George had done
American Graffiti at Universal.
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And I took it to Ned
Tannon, who I knew well.
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He
sounds approachable.
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{\an8}Ned Tannon.
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Monday morning he
handed me the script
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and he says,
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"Take the
Germans out of the picture."
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And I just looked at him.
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My brain is going,
"Take the Germans out?"
329
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And he said, "It won't
do well in Germany."
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If we refuse?
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It was difficult to understand
why studios were saying no,
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when you have George Lucas
and a Steven Spielberg.
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They were very
powerful filmmakers
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because their films
had made so much money.
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We were only asking
for $20 million.
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When films were
costing more than that.
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But Howard
had at least one last door
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that he could knock on.
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We went to Paramount.
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Paramount
head, Michael Eisner,
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was among the many
executives not thrilled
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about Lucas's terms.
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Eisner didn't like the deal
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and it had been the worst
deal ever offered him,
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or probably any studio.
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So
naturally he took it.
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And they said, yes.
348
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There's nothing to fear here.
349
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Sounds
too good to be true.
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That's what scares me.
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Paramount
wanted insurance
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for any potential booby
traps laid by the Lucas deal.
353
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So there was a catch.
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As long
as it was $20 million.
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Any overage is
paid by Lucasfilm,
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00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:53,374
because Steven did not
have a good track record
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about coming in on budget.
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{\an8}And avoiding
another 1941 scale disaster
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was all on Howard.
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00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:01,841
'Cause you break
everything down.
361
00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,886
Every car, every
airplane, every actor,
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00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:06,513
everything is detailed.
363
00:14:06,513 --> 00:14:08,473
But as Howard
crunched the numbers,
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00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:11,184
one idea for the
finale stood out
365
00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:14,020
and nearly threatened
to sink the entire film.
366
00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:18,858
The sequence of
boarding the submarine.
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00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:22,445
Originally, the submarine
goes underwater.
368
00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:25,031
A door opens up underwater
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00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:27,659
and arrives in a volcano.
370
00:14:27,659 --> 00:14:30,370
But a
volcano on this budget?
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Basically impossible to do.
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It was too expensive.
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And it changed.
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00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:37,168
With his own
money on the line for overages,
375
00:14:37,168 --> 00:14:40,296
George Lucas wasn't relying
on the bonds of friendship.
376
00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:43,508
Georgia had told Steven,
you shoot it like a B picture.
377
00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:47,387
George told Steven, if he
brings the picture in on budget,
378
00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:50,974
"I will give you
a $500,000 bonus."
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00:14:50,974 --> 00:14:53,268
Spielberg's
reputation for largess
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hung over the budget
for every department.
381
00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:58,022
Steven had said,
you know, Deborah,
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we're making a B movie.
383
00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,319
Okay, we're making
a B movie. I get it.
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00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,071
To keep
the studio at bay,
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00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:08,241
Howard saw fit to deploy
a little subterfuge.
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00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,910
Paramount said, how many
days are you gonna shoot it in?
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00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,620
And I told them 85.
388
00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,915
The real number was 73.
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00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:17,375
By
scheduling extra days
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00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,210
and hopefully shooting fewer,
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the production would appear
to be coming in under.
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00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,383
Steven knew of the 73,
and he liked that idea.
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00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:27,302
While Howard
was trying to work out how
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to pay for this film.
395
00:15:28,511 --> 00:15:30,388
{\an8}Howard was the enforcer.
396
00:15:30,388 --> 00:15:33,099
{\an8}He had this walk softly and
carry a big stick attitude.
397
00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,684
George and
Steven were still trying
398
00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:38,062
to work out who to
pay as in who to cast.
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00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:41,024
George and Steven
interviewed a lot of actors
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00:15:41,024 --> 00:15:42,609
to play Indiana.
401
00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,360
In a parallel
universe, Indiana Jones
402
00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,446
could have been the
actor Tim Matheson.
403
00:15:46,446 --> 00:15:49,032
Trust me, it'll
never get that far.
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00:15:49,032 --> 00:15:51,618
Or can
you imagine Nick Nolte?
405
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,037
Maybe you don't know what
the hell you're talking about.
406
00:15:54,162 --> 00:15:55,497
How
about Chevy Chase?
407
00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:58,208
A very qualified
acupuncturist.
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00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,960
In the end,
Lucas found his man.
409
00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:02,378
George came up to me once.
410
00:16:02,378 --> 00:16:03,546
He had a headshot of an actor.
411
00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:05,089
He said, "We found our Indiana."
412
00:16:05,089 --> 00:16:08,384
{\an8}Definitely not Harrison Ford.
413
00:16:08,718 --> 00:16:10,053
Tom Selleck.
414
00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:14,307
Tom Selleck was
set to play Indiana Jones.
415
00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,351
The team, can't
split up the team.
416
00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:18,478
{\an8}With the
leading man locked in,
417
00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:21,397
attention shifted
to finding his counterpart.
418
00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:24,234
{\an8}We also saw tons of people.
419
00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:26,444
They needed
someone with some fight in her.
420
00:16:26,569 --> 00:16:29,531
In the screenplay
she was a spitfire.
421
00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,366
They wanted an equal.
422
00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:33,326
Spielberg had
his eye on a young actress
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00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:36,079
who already had a
reputation as a spitfire.
424
00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:39,791
{\an8}He flew me out. I
auditioned with Tom Selleck.
425
00:16:39,791 --> 00:16:41,417
- Why start now?
- Just shut up!
426
00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:43,378
Shut up and listen to me.
427
00:16:43,378 --> 00:16:45,672
Sean had been
making waves on the East Coast.
428
00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:48,466
And I was working on
Jane Austen in Manhattan.
429
00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:50,260
I mean, once you found someone.
430
00:16:50,385 --> 00:16:53,012
And Steven asked
to see the footage
431
00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:54,806
that had been shot on me.
432
00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:59,185
Steven said to me that I was
"too raw" is what he called it.
433
00:16:59,185 --> 00:17:01,771
And so it came down
to Debra Winger.
434
00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:04,566
Debra Winger was
Steven's first choice.
435
00:17:04,566 --> 00:17:06,276
Who would not screen-test.
436
00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:08,444
The thought of it just
makes me wanna puke.
437
00:17:08,444 --> 00:17:10,113
- But--
- She wasn't available.
438
00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:11,614
That's all I need.
439
00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:14,325
Amy Irvin
was also in the frame.
440
00:17:14,451 --> 00:17:17,662
Amy Irving, you know
this beautiful young woman.
441
00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,497
But just
as casting focused
442
00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:21,082
on solving one problem.
443
00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,209
Who should play Marion?
444
00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:26,462
The solution to the
original casting conundrum
445
00:17:26,462 --> 00:17:28,089
turned back into a problem.
446
00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:30,258
Tom Selleck suddenly
was not available.
447
00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,051
A big one.
448
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,220
And all of a sudden
there was no Tom Selleck.
449
00:17:37,807 --> 00:17:39,517
Actor
Tom Selleck was set
450
00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:41,352
to become Indiana Jones.
451
00:17:41,352 --> 00:17:44,314
Sometimes everything
goes exactly as planned.
452
00:17:44,314 --> 00:17:45,398
{\an8}George came and
said, "You know what?
453
00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:47,400
{\an8}"We can't get Tom Selleck."
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00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,069
He was signed to Universal.
455
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,656
And he is contractually
obligated on Magnum P.I .
456
00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:55,700
And fate just
wouldn't do that to me.
457
00:17:55,825 --> 00:17:58,703
Yet Tom
Selleck had chosen a Ferrari
458
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:00,246
over a fedora.
459
00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:03,249
{\an8}And the producer
Glen Larson
460
00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:05,210
didn't wanna
release him.
461
00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:07,170
Universal
wasn't giving up
462
00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:11,090
TV's most famous mustache
because Selleck just happened
463
00:18:11,216 --> 00:18:13,092
to be caught up in a
much bigger battle.
464
00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:15,303
Lucasfilm and Fox...
465
00:18:15,303 --> 00:18:17,722
In fact, you
could say it was a Battlestar.
466
00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:21,643
...was suing Universal
or Battlestar Galactica,
467
00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:25,772
'cause they felt there
was a ripoff of Star Wars .
468
00:18:25,897 --> 00:18:27,440
But Howard
wasn't giving up.
469
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,400
With an actors strike looming,
470
00:18:29,526 --> 00:18:31,361
Raiders planned to
shoot in the UK,
471
00:18:31,361 --> 00:18:34,697
and that gave Howard
one last card to play.
472
00:18:34,697 --> 00:18:39,202
And we said, we're gonna be
shooting the film in London,
473
00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:42,539
not SAG, but under Equity.
474
00:18:42,539 --> 00:18:44,916
That would allow
Selleck to work in the UK
475
00:18:44,916 --> 00:18:46,584
while the strike hit LA.
476
00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:50,088
The answer was no.
Geez.
477
00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:52,799
So we still need
an Indiana Jones.
478
00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:54,592
With
Tom driving off into
479
00:18:54,592 --> 00:18:57,428
the Hawaiian sunset,
casting continued,
480
00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:00,849
and so did the no's coming
from the first choice talent.
481
00:19:00,849 --> 00:19:02,267
Danny DeVito.
482
00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:03,643
I'm Louie De Palma.
483
00:19:03,768 --> 00:19:06,271
Was the first
choice for Sallah.
484
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:07,480
We couldn't afford him.
485
00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,315
Don't you wish!
486
00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:12,318
Jonathan Rhys-Davies
was cast as Sallah.
487
00:19:13,069 --> 00:19:15,530
I knew the Germans
would hire you, Sallah.
488
00:19:15,530 --> 00:19:17,407
But the
producers were forced
489
00:19:17,407 --> 00:19:21,703
to take a punt on untested
talent like Alfred Molina.
490
00:19:22,954 --> 00:19:24,747
Poison is still
fresh three days.
491
00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:27,167
Ronald
Lacey was menacing.
492
00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:28,793
Good evening, Fraulein.
493
00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:30,420
Was the character Toht.
494
00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:32,463
Heil Hitler.
495
00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:34,465
But for
his chief of menace...
496
00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:36,759
I have the perfect man
for this kind of work.
497
00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,720
{\an8}...Spielberg
cast a favorite
498
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,182
{\an8}of one of his favorite
directors, Stanley Kubrick.
499
00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:44,934
My first film was
Barry Lyndon,
500
00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,186
the Stanley Kubrick.
501
00:19:46,311 --> 00:19:47,770
I am at your disposal.
502
00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:52,150
And Steven knows all his
films. It was a wonderful script
503
00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:55,820
and even had some humor as well.
504
00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:57,906
My feeling exactly.
505
00:19:57,906 --> 00:20:01,242
For the role
of Indiana's rival, Belloq,
506
00:20:02,285 --> 00:20:04,412
Steven trusted his instincts.
507
00:20:04,412 --> 00:20:06,539
I think he said there
was something untrustworthy
508
00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:08,500
{\an8}about my eyes.
509
00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,544
{\an8}The eyes headed
for British actor Paul Freeman.
510
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:14,506
I wasn't offended as
long as I got the job.
511
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,759
Casting
assistant, Marci Liroff
512
00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:19,344
{\an8}was still trying to put together
513
00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:21,346
{\an8}the right combination of leads.
514
00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:24,349
It was more like a
chemistry coupling.
515
00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:26,601
And to
concoct the perfect recipe--
516
00:20:26,601 --> 00:20:28,645
We had this big
wide open kitchen.
517
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:32,232
It was part of
Lucas Film's headquarters,
518
00:20:32,357 --> 00:20:33,900
known as the Egg Company.
519
00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:36,277
Great offices.
Beautiful offices.
520
00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:38,363
Perfect
for Marci's casting.
521
00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:41,866
I would couple a guy and
a gal and have them cook.
522
00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:43,576
We'd be watching
their chemistry.
523
00:20:43,701 --> 00:20:45,370
One of the
first cooks in the kitchen
524
00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:48,748
was a woman who had just
one movie under her belt.
525
00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:49,999
Hanging around with
a bunch of animals
526
00:20:49,999 --> 00:20:51,376
getting drunk every weekend.
527
00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:52,877
But it was a hit.
528
00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,255
{\an8}In Animal House,
I knew nothing.
529
00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:57,715
{\an8}I'd never met an actor
who had been in a film.
530
00:20:57,841 --> 00:21:00,844
I had never met a single human
being who had been in a film.
531
00:21:00,844 --> 00:21:03,555
And then I got a
call to audition.
532
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,889
It was gonna be a screen test.
533
00:21:04,889 --> 00:21:06,933
I'd never done a
screen test before.
534
00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:09,227
I've learned to hate you
in these last 10 years,
535
00:21:09,352 --> 00:21:10,895
but no matter how
much I hated you,
536
00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:13,231
I always knew someday you'd
come through this door.
537
00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,400
And I remember him
handing me the script
538
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,570
and seeing the title
Raiders of the Lost Ark
539
00:21:18,695 --> 00:21:21,239
and thinking, well, that's
not a very good title
540
00:21:21,364 --> 00:21:22,949
for a film.
541
00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:24,659
Karen
hated the title,
542
00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:26,619
but when it came
to her character.
543
00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:29,372
I loved Marion Ravenwood.
544
00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:32,792
I thought this is one of
the best introductions
545
00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:33,877
to a character.
546
00:21:34,002 --> 00:21:35,628
Must have slipped his mind.
547
00:21:35,753 --> 00:21:37,380
That kind of fierceness
548
00:21:37,505 --> 00:21:39,424
and a sort of independence.
549
00:21:41,551 --> 00:21:44,053
A strength of character and a,
550
00:21:44,053 --> 00:21:46,472
you know, what people
call feistiness.
551
00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:48,892
Nobody tells me what
to do in my place.
552
00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:50,935
Karen
seemed to be perfect.
553
00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:52,770
But remember this depended on...
554
00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:54,314
Chemistry.
555
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:55,732
But
chemistry with whom?
556
00:21:55,732 --> 00:21:57,650
We didn't have a leading man.
557
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,819
For Howard, it
was as simple as two words.
558
00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,489
Harrison Ford. Harrison
Ford. Harrison Ford.
559
00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:05,658
Harrison Ford would be
a perfect Indiana Jones.
560
00:22:05,658 --> 00:22:06,993
But
time was running out
561
00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:08,661
to convince
Spielberg and Lucas.
562
00:22:08,787 --> 00:22:10,788
So I arranged a
couple days later
563
00:22:10,914 --> 00:22:14,125
for Harrison, George,
Steven, and myself
564
00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:16,961
to meet when I suggested
why don't we have dinner?
565
00:22:16,961 --> 00:22:20,423
I wanted George,
and especially Steven,
566
00:22:20,423 --> 00:22:23,635
just to see Harrison
Ford, hear his voice.
567
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,761
Hello, Marion.
568
00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:26,554
Look into his face.
569
00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:28,723
Dinner was
scheduled and Harrison Ford
570
00:22:28,723 --> 00:22:30,600
was on the menu.
571
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,810
And I said, "Well, what'd
you think about Harrison?"
572
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,562
And there was silence.
573
00:22:34,562 --> 00:22:36,022
Spielberg
was about to make one
574
00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:38,691
of the biggest calls in
his directing career.
575
00:22:38,817 --> 00:22:40,610
And Steven said, "Look..."
576
00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:42,445
By not
making the call.
577
00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:46,449
"George, you pick
Indiana Jones
578
00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:48,910
"and I'll pick
the leading lady."
579
00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,788
Steven picked Karen Allen.
580
00:22:51,788 --> 00:22:54,666
I'm your Goddamn partner!
581
00:22:54,791 --> 00:22:56,960
And
George's picked for Indy?
582
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,629
George said, "Harrison Ford."
583
00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:03,716
{\an8}Steven called me and said,
"It's gonna be Harrison."
584
00:23:03,842 --> 00:23:06,469
{\an8}So in comes Harrison.
585
00:23:06,594 --> 00:23:08,847
{\an8}The news of
Harrison signing rippled
586
00:23:08,847 --> 00:23:09,973
through the production.
587
00:23:09,973 --> 00:23:11,516
We're devastated.
588
00:23:12,517 --> 00:23:14,435
Every woman in the office.
589
00:23:15,478 --> 00:23:18,648
Because Harrison shuffles in.
590
00:23:18,648 --> 00:23:22,068
He had a quality of diffidence,
591
00:23:22,193 --> 00:23:24,988
of shyness, introspection.
592
00:23:25,488 --> 00:23:28,658
This is our hero? This guy?
593
00:23:28,658 --> 00:23:31,744
{\an8}Harrison, as a
leading man? Who knew?
594
00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:33,496
Howard knew.
595
00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:37,083
If he isn't Indiana
Jones, tell me who is.
596
00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:39,169
It's not like he hadn't
been in other movies,
597
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:42,547
but always as ensemble actor.
598
00:23:42,547 --> 00:23:44,549
But there was
no time for naval gazing.
599
00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:48,428
The whole production
pivoted towards its leading man.
600
00:23:48,428 --> 00:23:49,554
- Jones.
- It was
601
00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:50,847
a whole new advert.
602
00:23:50,847 --> 00:23:52,056
Jones!
603
00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:53,683
The jackets that I made
604
00:23:53,683 --> 00:23:57,020
for Tom Selleck were
these crummy jackets,
605
00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:58,980
and we threw all of those out.
606
00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:02,734
And I had to remake all
of them for Harrison.
607
00:24:02,859 --> 00:24:04,736
Still, to be found,
608
00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:08,156
an even more crucial item
that needed to fit just right.
609
00:24:12,535 --> 00:24:13,995
With the
jacket scrapped,
610
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,789
the wardrobe team
faced a new dilemma.
611
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,124
Was the hat next?
612
00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:20,543
Harrison comes
in for his fitting.
613
00:24:20,543 --> 00:24:24,964
And we take these boxes and
I empty them at his feet.
614
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:28,134
He is now knee-deep in fedoras.
615
00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:31,095
He puts one on and he
puts another one on.
616
00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:33,765
Still
nothing sat just right.
617
00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:35,808
And I went to Herbert Johnson,
618
00:24:35,934 --> 00:24:40,146
and they had something called
their Australian model,
619
00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:42,816
which sort of looked okay.
620
00:24:42,816 --> 00:24:44,734
I essentially redesigned it.
621
00:24:44,734 --> 00:24:46,444
Harrison
Ford was very happy
622
00:24:46,569 --> 00:24:48,446
to talk about his look.
623
00:24:48,446 --> 00:24:50,907
Your appearance is
exactly the way I imagined.
624
00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:53,785
But when it
came to his character,
625
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:55,578
he was keeping mum.
626
00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:58,164
Coming from the theater
we rehearse a lot.
627
00:24:58,164 --> 00:25:00,125
We talk things through a lot.
628
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:02,126
We talk through scenes.
629
00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:06,005
I remember trying to talk a
little bit to him about the film
630
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:07,799
and the characters.
631
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:12,762
And he said to me, "I
don't talk to other actors
632
00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:17,517
"about the characters
and the story."
633
00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:20,603
So I had to make
a big adjustment.
634
00:25:20,603 --> 00:25:22,230
But
Harrison Ford was looking
635
00:25:22,355 --> 00:25:25,567
to make his own adjustments
to the film script.
636
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:29,612
{\an8}Steven wanted to have a
script conference with George.
637
00:25:29,737 --> 00:25:33,199
He wants Indiana Jones
to be an alcoholic.
638
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:37,620
I like some complication in
the characters that I play.
639
00:25:38,872 --> 00:25:40,248
And Steven, you know,
640
00:25:40,373 --> 00:25:41,833
has to listen to his
actors, of course.
641
00:25:41,958 --> 00:25:43,209
But I was against it.
642
00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:45,753
I just didn't see
it in this movie.
643
00:25:45,753 --> 00:25:46,796
Not
for the first time
644
00:25:46,921 --> 00:25:49,007
in George Lucas's career--
645
00:25:49,007 --> 00:25:50,967
Marcia speaks up.
646
00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:53,136
The movie is about
an archaeologist
647
00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:54,721
who's a college professor.
648
00:25:56,055 --> 00:25:57,891
Hired by the federal government.
649
00:25:57,891 --> 00:25:59,976
This is all
strictly confidential.
650
00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:02,604
To find this Ark of
the Covenant before
the Nazis get it.
651
00:26:02,604 --> 00:26:04,731
I'm gonna blow
up the Ark, Rene.
652
00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:07,567
And you think they're
gonna hire an alcoholic?
653
00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,110
I don't know.
Whatever I said worked.
654
00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:11,571
Because Harrison did not
get to play an alcoholic.
655
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,116
While
Indiana was sober...
656
00:26:15,116 --> 00:26:16,993
Whiskey!
657
00:26:16,993 --> 00:26:18,161
...the fee paid
to Harrison Ford was enough
658
00:26:18,161 --> 00:26:20,079
to drive any producer to drink.
659
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,290
Why? Are you willing
to offer more?
660
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,667
Well now Harrison
is locked in.
661
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:29,214
Harrison is being paid more
than our original budget.
662
00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:33,927
$20 million to do
the movie, period.
663
00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:35,762
At half
a million dollars,
664
00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:38,640
Ford was getting five
times what was budgeted.
665
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,892
So now I have
to take things out
666
00:26:40,892 --> 00:26:43,186
of various other departments.
667
00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:47,106
And here was this miniature
plane with four engines.
668
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:48,900
It was a model for
669
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,194
a full-sized German flying
wing and building it
670
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,947
was costing even more
than Harrison Ford.
671
00:26:53,947 --> 00:26:57,283
It's a million dollars. I
don't have it in the budget.
672
00:26:57,408 --> 00:26:58,618
He says, "What do you
have in the budget?"
673
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:00,119
I said, "700,000."
674
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,873
He picks it up, grabs
it like this, and he...
675
00:27:03,873 --> 00:27:07,252
And he breaks wings and
outer two engines off.
676
00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:10,213
And he says, "Now
how expensive is it?"
677
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,757
And I said, "It's
in the budget."
678
00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:14,300
Cameras
were all set to roll
679
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,720
in June of 1980 on the
west coast of France.
680
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,598
Finally, Harrison Ford
was all dressed up
681
00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:22,892
with somewhere to go, until--
682
00:27:23,017 --> 00:27:25,270
George and I were
walking the sets
683
00:27:25,395 --> 00:27:27,313
before the Monday shoot.
684
00:27:27,439 --> 00:27:31,276
And George said, "Oh, I
haven't seen Harrison's jacket,
685
00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:32,986
"the leather jacket."
686
00:27:32,986 --> 00:27:36,948
So I brought it in my
own luggage from London.
687
00:27:36,948 --> 00:27:38,700
And she says, "Oh,
it's right here."
688
00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:40,994
And he says, "That's
not what I want."
689
00:27:42,287 --> 00:27:44,831
"Find a store and buy
me a bomber jacket."
690
00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:46,624
But if
it was that easy,
691
00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,626
you wouldn't need
costume designers.
692
00:27:48,751 --> 00:27:53,173
It wasn't a jacket that
you could buy off the rack.
693
00:27:53,298 --> 00:27:55,633
Instead,
Deborah made it work.
694
00:27:55,633 --> 00:27:57,844
I designed it and
I custom-made it.
695
00:27:57,844 --> 00:27:59,929
Like a fine wine.
696
00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:02,348
It was all about
the aging process.
697
00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:05,310
I literally aged
it the night before
698
00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:08,021
we shot at La Rochelle
in the submarine.
699
00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:11,649
And that's the one we
opened the picture with.
700
00:28:11,775 --> 00:28:12,859
It's lovely.
701
00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:14,694
And Harrison wasn't
702
00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:17,197
the only cast member dealing
with costume troubles.
703
00:28:17,322 --> 00:28:18,781
It's beautiful.
704
00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,034
Belloq gives Marion
the white dress.
705
00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:22,952
I would very much
like to see you in it.
706
00:28:22,952 --> 00:28:24,621
That's not a dress that Marion
707
00:28:24,621 --> 00:28:26,664
would ever have
chosen for herself.
708
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:27,957
She puts it on.
709
00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:29,709
All right.
710
00:28:29,709 --> 00:28:33,713
All I knew at the time
is I hate this dress.
711
00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:35,298
Yeah, she, yeah.
712
00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:38,092
Every time I put
it on, I was like...
713
00:28:38,092 --> 00:28:40,386
She was not having
that ballgown.
714
00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:43,139
I have a big bow on my butt.
715
00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:51,815
It was like this big fruffly
thing and I was just like, ugh.
716
00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:52,982
Ha! Ha!
717
00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:55,819
Karen's struggle
with Marion's dress,
718
00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:56,986
went straight to the top.
719
00:28:56,986 --> 00:28:59,364
Nobody cared what I thought.
720
00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:01,407
It was made very clear to me.
721
00:29:01,407 --> 00:29:04,244
It was
Lucas's call on the dress.
722
00:29:04,244 --> 00:29:09,415
George was the creative
eye for the costumes.
723
00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:13,002
He was immovable.
724
00:29:13,002 --> 00:29:14,295
And it worked for the character,
725
00:29:14,295 --> 00:29:16,756
actually for me to
hate that dress.
726
00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:18,925
Production
designer Norman Reynolds
727
00:29:18,925 --> 00:29:21,427
quickly found out he had
a much bigger problem
728
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:22,762
than a frumpy dress.
729
00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:24,430
My cabin is theirs.
730
00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:27,183
Norman Reynolds
found the Bantu Wind
731
00:29:27,308 --> 00:29:30,061
and he found out
that the Egyptians
732
00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:32,730
who owned the boat
had just painted it
733
00:29:32,730 --> 00:29:35,400
to make it look sparkling clean.
734
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,112
That's exactly opposite
of what everybody wanted.
735
00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:41,781
And Norman was
going crazy saying,
736
00:29:41,781 --> 00:29:44,075
"What happened to my boat?"
737
00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:47,370
So we got a crew out there
and aged the boat down.
738
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,873
The boat was
just one big ticket item
739
00:29:49,873 --> 00:29:52,459
threatening to blow out the
art department's budget.
740
00:29:52,459 --> 00:29:55,044
- What's happening?
- We have most
important friends.
741
00:29:55,044 --> 00:29:58,715
The submarine we had
researched was built
742
00:29:58,715 --> 00:30:00,216
for Das Boot.
743
00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:02,510
But getting
a submarine secondhand
744
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:04,345
definitely helped
keep costs down.
745
00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:05,847
{\an8}It was actually
not a submarine,
746
00:30:05,847 --> 00:30:08,141
it was a submarine
based on barges.
747
00:30:08,141 --> 00:30:09,767
Whatever it was,
748
00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:12,145
it was seaworthy,
but only to a point.
749
00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:15,064
Got in a small
motorboat to be taken out
750
00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:17,317
{\an8}to this model submarine,
which was bobbing
751
00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:20,445
{\an8}around in the waves and
was very unseaworthy.
752
00:30:20,445 --> 00:30:22,864
So it was moving the whole time.
753
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:24,491
They said, you
can't take it out
754
00:30:24,491 --> 00:30:26,951
in swells over 12 feet high.
755
00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:29,329
And actually the swells
were higher than 12 feet.
756
00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:31,748
Several people got seasick.
757
00:30:31,748 --> 00:30:34,959
Finally, on set
and climbing into her role,
758
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:37,003
Karen discovered
she had enrolled
759
00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:38,922
in an actor's finishing school,
760
00:30:39,047 --> 00:30:41,090
and Harrison Ford
was her teacher.
761
00:30:41,216 --> 00:30:44,177
{\an8}I learned a lot from
him because he had a lot
762
00:30:44,177 --> 00:30:46,513
of experience
working technically
763
00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:49,140
in front of a camera,
which I did not.
764
00:30:49,265 --> 00:30:50,517
Now maybe 'cause
she was nervous,
765
00:30:50,517 --> 00:30:52,477
she didn't understand
what to do.
766
00:30:52,602 --> 00:30:56,147
I'd only done three films and
a miniseries for television.
767
00:30:56,147 --> 00:30:59,442
So I was very new to this world.
768
00:30:59,442 --> 00:31:01,986
Steven worked
very hard with her.
769
00:31:01,986 --> 00:31:04,280
And many times Steven would sit
770
00:31:04,405 --> 00:31:07,325
at that little table
where they were drinking
771
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:09,494
and he would say,
you pick up the glass
772
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:11,329
and you drink it
and you do this.
773
00:31:11,329 --> 00:31:14,332
That introduction
was tough for her.
774
00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:17,335
Just by watching
Harrison work,
775
00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:22,048
I was learning a lot about
that relationship, thank God.
776
00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,008
But Karen
would still find ways
777
00:31:24,008 --> 00:31:26,386
to bring her own
experience to the film.
778
00:31:26,386 --> 00:31:28,847
In the original
script, as I remember,
779
00:31:28,847 --> 00:31:32,308
the suggestion was that Marion
780
00:31:32,433 --> 00:31:37,480
does have some sort of
romantic liaison with Belloq.
781
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,191
Marion, you are beautiful.
782
00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:43,862
I kept thinking this
scene doesn't work.
783
00:31:43,987 --> 00:31:46,322
Karen immediately
marched over to her director.
784
00:31:46,448 --> 00:31:49,868
And I kept sort
of annoying Steven
785
00:31:49,868 --> 00:31:51,870
by sort of pointing this out.
786
00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:53,121
And he knew Karen and I
787
00:31:53,121 --> 00:31:54,998
are both theater
actors originally.
788
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:56,916
"Well, if you guys can come up
789
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,418
"with something better,
we'll shoot it."
790
00:31:58,543 --> 00:32:00,128
And we're perfectly happy
791
00:32:00,128 --> 00:32:01,379
to rehearse it and go
away and improvise.
792
00:32:01,379 --> 00:32:02,463
You pour.
793
00:32:02,589 --> 00:32:04,090
This was all
794
00:32:04,215 --> 00:32:06,050
a seasoned theater
actress needed to hear.
795
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:09,053
And we came up with this idea,
796
00:32:09,053 --> 00:32:11,514
she's now gonna get him drunk.
797
00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:15,185
And she's gonna escape.
798
00:32:15,185 --> 00:32:18,646
Steven was delighted
with what we'd shown him.
799
00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:20,148
It's great. We'll
do it that way.
800
00:32:20,148 --> 00:32:22,317
Didn't ask us
to alter anything.
801
00:32:22,317 --> 00:32:24,277
Harrison
wasn't one for devising
802
00:32:24,277 --> 00:32:26,029
like his co-stars,
803
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:28,198
but he was about to
inject a touch of himself
804
00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:32,118
into one of cinema's
most unforgettable props.
805
00:32:34,162 --> 00:32:36,456
As the crew geared up
to shoot an action scene
806
00:32:36,456 --> 00:32:38,249
for Indiana Jones,
807
00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:40,502
the leading man had a
spark of inspiration.
808
00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:42,378
Marion!
809
00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:46,966
{\an8}We're about to shoot
the Arab with the sword.
810
00:32:48,301 --> 00:32:50,053
{\an8}They rehearsed the fight,
811
00:32:50,053 --> 00:32:52,263
{\an8}and then overnight,
Harrison got really ill
812
00:32:52,388 --> 00:32:53,973
{\an8}with dysentery.
813
00:32:53,973 --> 00:32:55,600
And when he arrived on
set, he couldn't do it.
814
00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:57,310
Throughout the entire picture,
815
00:32:57,310 --> 00:33:00,939
I take my whip out and
I fight the bad guys.
816
00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:06,111
And he said, "Why don't
I just shoot the fucker?"
817
00:33:06,111 --> 00:33:10,115
And Steven says, "All right,
we shoot the shorter version."
818
00:33:12,325 --> 00:33:16,412
And then George said, "Wait,
well what happened to the scene
819
00:33:16,412 --> 00:33:19,624
"with the Arab fighting
Indiana Jones?"
820
00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:23,294
We go back and we shoot
what's in the script.
821
00:33:23,419 --> 00:33:26,131
Now Steven seems to be wondering
822
00:33:26,256 --> 00:33:28,591
if that was the right
direction to go.
823
00:33:28,591 --> 00:33:30,426
The actors
certainly had agency
824
00:33:30,426 --> 00:33:32,136
on Spielberg's set.
825
00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:34,931
Indy, why does the floor move?
826
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:36,975
But there
were other performers
827
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,935
who would have their say too.
828
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:40,436
Then we did the snake pit.
829
00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:42,313
Snakes.
830
00:33:42,439 --> 00:33:44,149
Why did it have to be snakes?
831
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:46,609
It wasn't the most
relaxing set in the world.
832
00:33:46,609 --> 00:33:47,944
Asps.
833
00:33:47,944 --> 00:33:49,320
There were pythons on the set
834
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,406
that were quite aggressive.
835
00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:53,950
And dangerous.
836
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:55,410
How dangerous?
837
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:56,536
Very dangerous.
838
00:33:58,371 --> 00:33:59,956
You go first.
839
00:33:59,956 --> 00:34:03,042
We needed an ambulance
out the stage door
840
00:34:03,168 --> 00:34:05,086
and on the stage, a gurney
841
00:34:05,211 --> 00:34:08,089
with a hypodermic
needle actually injected
842
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:09,382
into the serum.
843
00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:10,633
I told you it
would be all right.
844
00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,218
If you get it quick enough
845
00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:14,220
I guess you can save
somebody's life.
846
00:34:14,345 --> 00:34:16,472
But who wants to go there?
847
00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:19,017
Dangerous
animals were the warm-up.
848
00:34:19,017 --> 00:34:22,228
What happened next could
have been catastrophic.
849
00:34:22,353 --> 00:34:27,233
When Harrison swings into the
water to get on the biplane,
850
00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:31,321
the biplane takes off
with Harrison Ford.
851
00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,448
You could hear the zzz...
852
00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:37,202
I hear the plane crash
853
00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,245
and my heart crashed with it.
854
00:34:39,245 --> 00:34:40,914
I couldn't get down the river
855
00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:44,501
and all I could do was
to yell to our security,
856
00:34:44,501 --> 00:34:47,378
get down there and
see what happened.
857
00:34:48,338 --> 00:34:49,631
And then it was all silent.
858
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,385
And then on a walkie-talkie,
"Everything's okay.
859
00:34:54,385 --> 00:34:55,720
"Harrison is laughing."
860
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:59,015
He was laughing.
861
00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:01,935
{\an8}They pushed the door open,
pushing a door open on a plane,
862
00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,688
{\an8}doing 9,000 miles an hour
acts as a wind break.
863
00:35:05,814 --> 00:35:07,690
Just pulled the
lever on the engine
864
00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:09,943
and just went straight
into the mangoes.
865
00:35:10,068 --> 00:35:11,736
That was my worst day.
866
00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:15,156
May have been my worst day of
all the pictures I've done.
867
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,534
Thankfully,
principal photography
was wrapped.
868
00:35:17,534 --> 00:35:20,411
{\an8}But visual effects
supervisor, Richard Edlund,
869
00:35:20,537 --> 00:35:22,747
{\an8}still needed to find
himself some Nazis.
870
00:35:22,747 --> 00:35:25,416
I had to cast
Marin County Nazis.
871
00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,086
That
wasn't so easy in 1981.
872
00:35:28,086 --> 00:35:31,965
This was for the wrath of God
sequence, because remember--
873
00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,591
We could only
shoot the long shots.
874
00:35:33,591 --> 00:35:36,469
So I wound up having to
shoot all of the closeups
875
00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:38,471
of the Nazis getting.
876
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:42,267
Also on
Richard's to-do list,
877
00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:45,311
a small matter of making
sure the Nazis lost face.
878
00:35:45,436 --> 00:35:46,437
{\an8}The deaths.
879
00:35:47,313 --> 00:35:49,607
{\an8}Our deaths.
880
00:35:49,607 --> 00:35:51,276
Shut your eyes, Marion.
881
00:35:51,401 --> 00:35:52,735
Don't look at it no
matter what happens.
882
00:35:52,735 --> 00:35:55,405
I think I had probably
the biggest closeup
883
00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:57,073
in the whole movie.
884
00:35:57,073 --> 00:35:58,658
Not quite
the biggest closeup,
885
00:35:58,658 --> 00:36:00,452
but certainly unforgettable.
886
00:36:00,452 --> 00:36:02,662
I can't quite remember
what happened to my head.
887
00:36:02,787 --> 00:36:04,414
I was going, he's gonna...
888
00:36:04,414 --> 00:36:05,790
Here's a reminder.
889
00:36:05,915 --> 00:36:07,083
Do I melt?
890
00:36:07,083 --> 00:36:08,126
Blow up.
891
00:36:08,126 --> 00:36:09,711
{\an8}I know Wolf melts.
892
00:36:11,296 --> 00:36:13,173
We didn't know what any
893
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:14,674
of the special
effects were gonna be.
894
00:36:14,674 --> 00:36:16,467
Steven would stand there going,
895
00:36:16,593 --> 00:36:19,137
and now you know their faces
are melting or whatever.
896
00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:21,347
Of course,
the real melting moment
897
00:36:21,347 --> 00:36:23,683
was saved for the nastiest Nazi.
898
00:36:23,808 --> 00:36:26,603
Yes, Ronald Lacey.
It was pretty gross.
899
00:36:26,603 --> 00:36:28,146
Thanks to some
900
00:36:28,146 --> 00:36:29,647
excellent practical
makeup effects.
901
00:36:29,647 --> 00:36:31,483
This is the analog era.
902
00:36:31,483 --> 00:36:33,651
Chris Walas was
a great sculptor
903
00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:37,363
and he basically
sculpted a head made
904
00:36:37,489 --> 00:36:41,493
with colored layers, then
shot it with heat guns,
905
00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:45,038
time lapse every two seconds
of frame, we'd shoot a frame.
906
00:36:45,038 --> 00:36:47,540
And it just worked
out really great.
907
00:36:47,665 --> 00:36:49,334
That was the end
of the schedule.
908
00:36:49,334 --> 00:36:51,169
And we basically, that
was the last thing we did.
909
00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:53,296
And we finished on
time and on budget.
910
00:36:53,421 --> 00:36:55,507
Spielberg had achieved
911
00:36:55,507 --> 00:36:57,342
a first in his young career.
912
00:36:57,342 --> 00:37:01,596
Steven got a $500,000 bonus
913
00:37:01,721 --> 00:37:03,806
and George told Steven
914
00:37:03,806 --> 00:37:07,727
to put it towards
USCs building program.
915
00:37:07,852 --> 00:37:11,397
And that is why
the scoring stage
916
00:37:11,397 --> 00:37:14,192
at USC has Spielberg's
name on it.
917
00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,319
Everything
was now finally in the can,
918
00:37:16,319 --> 00:37:18,404
and Spielberg hit
the edit suite.
919
00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:21,157
After several weeks
when he had a rough cut,
920
00:37:21,282 --> 00:37:23,660
Steven brings the film
up for the first time
921
00:37:23,785 --> 00:37:27,247
for George and I and
Marcia to look at it.
922
00:37:27,247 --> 00:37:31,126
I watched it and
then the lights came on
923
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:34,379
and I thought, that's weird.
924
00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,256
Something
didn't sit right for Marcia
925
00:37:36,256 --> 00:37:37,715
and it wasn't Indy's fedora.
926
00:37:37,841 --> 00:37:39,884
The whole movie's
about Indy and Marion
927
00:37:39,884 --> 00:37:42,470
{\an8}and he's saving her and they're
having all these adventures
928
00:37:42,595 --> 00:37:44,722
{\an8}and you're gonna leave
her tied up on the stick.
929
00:37:44,848 --> 00:37:46,432
The
rough cut left Marion
930
00:37:46,432 --> 00:37:48,518
right about here because...
931
00:37:48,643 --> 00:37:52,897
That scene outside the
building with Marion and Indy.
932
00:37:52,897 --> 00:37:54,691
- You don't look very happy.
- Fools.
933
00:37:54,691 --> 00:37:56,192
Wasn't in the movie.
934
00:37:56,192 --> 00:37:57,610
Steven said, we
didn't need that.
935
00:37:57,735 --> 00:37:59,237
"We don't need it.
We didn't shoot it."
936
00:37:59,362 --> 00:38:00,738
{\an8}I think that would've
been very strange
937
00:38:00,738 --> 00:38:03,241
{\an8}to end the film with her
just tied to the stake.
938
00:38:03,366 --> 00:38:06,411
And I stood up and
I said, I'm sorry,
939
00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:08,454
but I do have a comment.
940
00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,540
But you can't leave Marion
tied to the stick.
941
00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:11,624
Indy!
942
00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:12,792
Marcia had a point.
943
00:38:12,917 --> 00:38:15,712
Marcia understands story.
944
00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:20,592
George and Steven start
thinking about it.
945
00:38:20,592 --> 00:38:21,718
George,
"Well, I'll shoot it."
946
00:38:21,718 --> 00:38:22,802
George says, "I'll shoot it."
947
00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:24,596
"I'll shoot it second unit."
948
00:38:24,596 --> 00:38:27,223
And so
rather than ending here--
949
00:38:27,223 --> 00:38:30,768
George shot the
tag of the picture
950
00:38:30,894 --> 00:38:34,147
with our two leading
characters on the stairs.
951
00:38:34,272 --> 00:38:36,316
They have
their finale on film.
952
00:38:36,316 --> 00:38:39,235
There was just one last
piece to set in place.
953
00:38:39,235 --> 00:38:43,198
Well, after we heard
the first main score.
954
00:38:43,198 --> 00:38:46,493
♪ Indiana Jones theme ♪
955
00:38:46,618 --> 00:38:48,411
George leans over past me
956
00:38:48,536 --> 00:38:51,498
and he says to Steven,
"Sounds like Hogan's Heroes."
957
00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:54,793
♪ Hogans Heroes theme ♪
958
00:38:55,668 --> 00:38:56,961
Not the same.
959
00:38:56,961 --> 00:38:58,797
It's nowhere the same.
960
00:38:58,797 --> 00:39:00,840
Steven did not comment.
961
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,509
Maybe
he was fuming.
962
00:39:02,509 --> 00:39:04,594
No other comment.
963
00:39:04,594 --> 00:39:06,304
Well, at
least the next scene
964
00:39:06,429 --> 00:39:08,348
would restore his
faith in the film.
965
00:39:10,308 --> 00:39:13,353
Steven says, "Well, I thought
it worked better this way."
966
00:39:14,687 --> 00:39:15,897
A little bit of silence.
967
00:39:21,277 --> 00:39:23,905
During the first
viewing of Indiana Jones,
968
00:39:23,905 --> 00:39:26,908
George's reaction to
seeing his street fight
969
00:39:26,908 --> 00:39:29,828
turned into gun play,
had Steven worried.
970
00:39:29,828 --> 00:39:31,704
Little bit of silence
and Steven says,
971
00:39:31,704 --> 00:39:34,415
"Well, I thought it worked
better this way."
972
00:39:34,541 --> 00:39:36,376
Worried
because George Lucas
973
00:39:36,376 --> 00:39:37,919
still had final cut.
974
00:39:37,919 --> 00:39:40,630
George puts back the fight
975
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:44,467
and Steven says, "I think
it works better without."
976
00:39:44,467 --> 00:39:46,845
Time to
break another stalemate.
977
00:39:46,845 --> 00:39:49,347
He says, "We'll have
two screenings, one right
978
00:39:49,347 --> 00:39:51,599
"after each other with
a different audience.
979
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,811
"One with the shortened version
and the longer version."
980
00:39:54,811 --> 00:39:58,731
Raiders was
test screened in May of 1981.
981
00:39:58,857 --> 00:40:00,900
Sitting at the very
back of the theater.
982
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,237
And the first is the
Steven Spielberg version.
983
00:40:05,447 --> 00:40:08,575
And the audience
screams and goes crazy.
984
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,202
And George turned
to Steven and says,
985
00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:14,330
"Well, I guess that one works
better than the other one."
986
00:40:14,330 --> 00:40:16,458
We never had the
second screening.
987
00:40:16,583 --> 00:40:18,418
But even
with all the hype,
988
00:40:18,543 --> 00:40:21,880
the marketing had audiences
more confused than convinced.
989
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,467
We did our own teaser trailer
and gave it to Paramount.
990
00:40:26,467 --> 00:40:28,761
For
nearly 3000 years,
991
00:40:28,887 --> 00:40:31,681
man has searched for the
Lost Ark of the Covenant.
992
00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:35,810
It was just the ark
and some voiceover.
993
00:40:35,935 --> 00:40:39,397
It is protected
by forces beyond imagination.
994
00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:44,486
So it was suggested by
Paramount that we run it
995
00:40:44,486 --> 00:40:48,448
with a real audience
at the Chinese theater.
996
00:40:48,448 --> 00:40:51,868
And at the end,
they don't like it.
997
00:40:51,993 --> 00:40:54,788
To many people, it was
baffling. What's that?
998
00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:58,541
So we will go back and
change it, which we did.
999
00:41:00,710 --> 00:41:02,629
And the mixed
reaction to the trailer
1000
00:41:02,629 --> 00:41:05,340
posed even bigger questions.
1001
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:06,841
It wasn't a sure thing.
1002
00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:10,762
{\an8}It was cutting a new
old genre. Cliffhanger.
1003
00:41:10,887 --> 00:41:12,806
{\an8}One cliffhanger after another.
1004
00:41:12,806 --> 00:41:14,599
Would an audience accept that?
1005
00:41:14,724 --> 00:41:16,017
Did they want, you know,
1006
00:41:16,142 --> 00:41:18,561
something deeper and
more substantial?
1007
00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:20,355
Shoot it like a B picture.
1008
00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:22,023
But did
that mean George
1009
00:41:22,148 --> 00:41:24,400
and Steven had just
made Harrison Ford
1010
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,402
into an overpaid B actor?
1011
00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:29,656
Always as ensemble actor.
1012
00:41:31,616 --> 00:41:32,784
Son of a bitch.
1013
00:41:32,909 --> 00:41:33,952
That
unknown quantity
1014
00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,037
would not be unknown for long.
1015
00:41:36,037 --> 00:41:37,831
You're about to become
a permanent addition
1016
00:41:37,831 --> 00:41:39,791
to this archaeological find.
1017
00:41:39,791 --> 00:41:41,626
Following
Raiders' release that June...
1018
00:41:41,626 --> 00:41:44,587
And I remember
the numbers came in.
1019
00:41:44,712 --> 00:41:46,673
...within three days,
1020
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:48,758
all those questions
were answered.
1021
00:41:48,758 --> 00:41:50,677
We were astounded on Friday
1022
00:41:50,677 --> 00:41:52,929
and even more amazed on Saturday
1023
00:41:53,054 --> 00:41:56,683
and very happy on Sunday.
1024
00:41:56,808 --> 00:41:58,476
Raiders
of the Lost Ark
1025
00:41:58,476 --> 00:42:01,813
netted nearly 390
million worldwide
1026
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:05,024
from its meager
$20 million budget.
1027
00:42:05,024 --> 00:42:07,318
Adjusted for inflation
would be over
1028
00:42:07,443 --> 00:42:09,112
a billion dollars today.
1029
00:42:09,112 --> 00:42:11,698
And despite
Universal's concerns.
1030
00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:13,616
It won't do well in Germany.
1031
00:42:13,616 --> 00:42:16,035
The crowds in
Deutschland had no quarrels.
1032
00:42:16,035 --> 00:42:18,454
You Americans,
you are all the same.
1033
00:42:18,454 --> 00:42:20,081
And for Deborah,
1034
00:42:20,081 --> 00:42:22,041
it had been a long road of
doubt and second guessing.
1035
00:42:22,041 --> 00:42:23,793
This is our hero?
1036
00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,503
But when she
saw the final product,
1037
00:42:25,503 --> 00:42:27,797
all the pieces
suddenly made sense.
1038
00:42:27,797 --> 00:42:30,550
Steve wanted to
be Indiana Jones.
1039
00:42:30,675 --> 00:42:33,887
George Lucas wants
to be Indiana Jones.
1040
00:42:33,887 --> 00:42:36,723
They all wanted to
be Indiana Jones.
1041
00:42:36,723 --> 00:42:40,810
Why, every man on the planet
wants to be Indiana Jones.
1042
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:44,814
And every woman wants to
be with Indiana Jones.
1043
00:42:44,814 --> 00:42:47,901
But only one
guy was Indiana Jones.
1044
00:42:48,026 --> 00:42:50,570
- He's vulnerable.
- It hurts.
1045
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:53,406
- He's competent.
- Stay out of the light.
1046
00:42:53,406 --> 00:42:54,949
He's trustworthy.
1047
00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:56,576
I am already missing you.
1048
00:42:56,576 --> 00:42:58,077
He's kind.
1049
00:42:58,077 --> 00:42:59,996
Man of many talents.
1050
00:42:59,996 --> 00:43:01,748
And
most importantly,
1051
00:43:01,748 --> 00:43:04,125
for audiences around the world.
1052
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:06,377
They really fell in
love with Harrison Ford.
1053
00:43:06,503 --> 00:43:08,755
Harrison
Ford had arrived.
1054
00:43:08,755 --> 00:43:11,466
This is now Harrison
as the absolute.
1055
00:43:11,466 --> 00:43:13,593
This is his movie,
top to bottom.
1056
00:43:13,593 --> 00:43:15,094
And
yet his next picture
1057
00:43:15,094 --> 00:43:16,679
would be a sudden departure
1058
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,849
into even more
uncertain territory.
1059
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:22,060
Ridley's a little bit
of a, what's the word?
1060
00:43:22,185 --> 00:43:23,186
An artist.
1061
00:43:24,062 --> 00:43:26,397
He and Harrison have
a lot of conflicts.
1062
00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:28,149
I think I went to Ridley
1063
00:43:28,149 --> 00:43:30,652
and I said, "What the
fuck is he doing?"
1064
00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:32,904
And suddenly, Blade
Runner was in deep trouble.
1065
00:43:32,904 --> 00:43:34,864
Absolutely a bomb.
79000
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