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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:44,145 Looking like a veritable movie star. 2 00:00:44,211 --> 00:00:46,213 Don't know how I got picked, Mr. Summers. 3 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,182 Oh, you were our number one choice, Janet. 4 00:00:48,249 --> 00:00:49,316 See you out there. 5 00:00:49,383 --> 00:00:51,552 -Here, Ma. -Excuse me, Jerry. 6 00:00:51,619 --> 00:00:52,686 Where do you want this? 7 00:00:52,753 --> 00:00:54,722 Oh, exam room. Thanks. 8 00:00:55,489 --> 00:00:56,757 I feel bad asking, 9 00:00:56,824 --> 00:00:58,659 but do you think I could talk with Dr. Duntsch? 10 00:00:58,726 --> 00:01:01,095 Oh, he's real busy. Can I do something? 11 00:01:01,162 --> 00:01:02,696 It's more of a doctor-patient thing. 12 00:01:02,763 --> 00:01:04,432 Definitely don't want me handling that stuff. 13 00:01:04,498 --> 00:01:06,100 -I'll talk to him. -Thank you, Jerry. 14 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:08,302 Will you make sure your mom's memorized on what she's saying? 15 00:01:08,369 --> 00:01:10,805 I don't want her getting distracted with lights, camera, action. 16 00:01:12,406 --> 00:01:15,109 Two reasons why patients normally present 17 00:01:15,176 --> 00:01:17,778 to their doctors for pain related to the spine. 18 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:21,081 The first is related to the peripheral nervous system. 19 00:01:21,148 --> 00:01:22,650 That's called radiculopathy. 20 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:24,618 Now, normally, that type of pain is associated 21 00:01:24,685 --> 00:01:26,787 -with depression or with... -Yo, Chris. 22 00:01:26,854 --> 00:01:28,689 -...degenerative changes in-- -Cut. 23 00:01:30,491 --> 00:01:31,592 Okay. 24 00:01:32,426 --> 00:01:34,495 Um, let's take a break. 25 00:01:34,562 --> 00:01:36,730 Knock out the patient's portion. Come back. 26 00:01:36,797 --> 00:01:38,132 Good idea. 27 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,569 Fuck me. 28 00:01:42,503 --> 00:01:44,104 I am so sorry. 29 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:48,509 You're looking good. Feeling good? 30 00:01:52,279 --> 00:01:54,181 I thought it'd be more professional. 31 00:01:57,418 --> 00:01:59,453 Tell me what needs fixing, Chrissy, anything. 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,721 Kim's all over it. 33 00:02:02,756 --> 00:02:05,559 I know you're in the zone, but Sarah wants to talk to you. 34 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:07,761 Janet's daughter. 35 00:02:09,196 --> 00:02:10,331 Our patient? 36 00:02:10,397 --> 00:02:12,533 Oh, yeah, that's fine. 37 00:02:16,303 --> 00:02:17,838 Hey. Dr. Duntsch. How can I help you? 38 00:02:17,905 --> 00:02:19,673 Hi, Dr. Duntsch. 39 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:23,244 Um, I noticed something in my mom's scar. 40 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:27,715 Like, blue peeking out, like a piece of sponge. 41 00:02:27,781 --> 00:02:31,452 So I got some tweezers and... 42 00:02:33,187 --> 00:02:36,156 Oh, wow. You should not have done that. 43 00:02:36,223 --> 00:02:37,658 Oh, my god. What did I do? 44 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:39,460 No, it's just a stitch. 45 00:02:39,527 --> 00:02:40,528 It's fine, but... 46 00:02:40,594 --> 00:02:41,695 Look, you should call me 47 00:02:41,762 --> 00:02:43,831 before you go digging around in there again, okay? 48 00:02:43,898 --> 00:02:46,767 -I did call a few times. -Quiet on set. 49 00:02:46,834 --> 00:02:48,435 -You ready, Jenny? 50 00:02:48,502 --> 00:02:50,604 Should I tell my own story? 51 00:02:50,671 --> 00:02:52,673 Because this isn't my story. 52 00:02:54,308 --> 00:02:57,478 Janet, you look great today. 53 00:02:57,545 --> 00:02:59,547 Thank you so much for doing this. 54 00:03:04,585 --> 00:03:05,753 You did good. 55 00:03:09,957 --> 00:03:11,225 Yeah. 56 00:03:16,897 --> 00:03:20,467 Roll camera. And action. 57 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:25,472 Dr. Duntsch is one great man. 58 00:03:26,507 --> 00:03:30,578 He is the best doctor I think that you could ever go to, 59 00:03:31,312 --> 00:03:34,348 and if you're having the problems that I had, 60 00:03:34,415 --> 00:03:37,618 you know, give him a call... 61 00:03:38,819 --> 00:03:40,788 because he'll fix you. 62 00:03:49,263 --> 00:03:51,298 No God damn way. 63 00:03:51,365 --> 00:03:52,600 -Mr. Duntsch... -Doctor. 64 00:03:52,666 --> 00:03:54,335 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 65 00:03:54,401 --> 00:03:56,870 -Doctor. -Dr. Duntsch, 66 00:03:56,937 --> 00:03:58,606 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 67 00:03:58,672 --> 00:03:59,940 No, I don't. 68 00:04:00,641 --> 00:04:04,278 I do not appreciate being locked up in a cage 69 00:04:04,345 --> 00:04:06,680 like a dog for a year and a half. 70 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:08,616 And I certainly do not appreciate you telling me 71 00:04:08,682 --> 00:04:10,618 that my best bet going forward 72 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,020 is not just to fire your asses and hire real lawyers, 73 00:04:13,287 --> 00:04:14,588 but to ask for a continuance. 74 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:17,625 I need to find someone to testify on your behalf. 75 00:04:17,691 --> 00:04:19,493 Put me on the stand. 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,428 If anybody else tries to describe what it is 77 00:04:21,495 --> 00:04:23,497 that I do or how I do it, 78 00:04:23,564 --> 00:04:25,532 they're just gonna end up looking like a bunch of jerks. 79 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:28,836 See, that right there is why you can't take the stand. 80 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:30,571 You're emotionally driven. 81 00:04:30,638 --> 00:04:33,741 And when you're emotional, you can't control what you say. 82 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:47,421 Try me. 83 00:04:57,297 --> 00:05:00,067 You are a drug-and-alcohol-addicted surgeon 84 00:05:00,334 --> 00:05:02,469 who was too impaired to perform surgeries. 85 00:05:02,536 --> 00:05:03,837 Allegedly. None of that was-- 86 00:05:03,904 --> 00:05:06,740 Like a drunk driver, which, by the way, 87 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:08,776 -you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch. -Doctor. 88 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:10,944 No, you're no longer a doctor. 89 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:13,647 -You had your license stripped. -Temporarily. 90 00:05:13,714 --> 00:05:15,082 Not if we have anything to do with it. 91 00:05:15,349 --> 00:05:16,884 And how about that email? 92 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:19,887 The one in which you're prepared to become a cold-blooded killer. 93 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:21,422 I never meant for that to be taken literally-- 94 00:05:21,488 --> 00:05:22,589 You wrote it. 95 00:05:23,090 --> 00:05:26,727 So it was just a coincidence that you wrote that email to your lover, 96 00:05:26,794 --> 00:05:28,796 who also happens to be your assistant, 97 00:05:28,862 --> 00:05:30,631 just prior to killing or maiming 98 00:05:30,698 --> 00:05:32,533 -over 33 patients? -It's not my fault! 99 00:05:32,599 --> 00:05:36,470 The anesthesiologists and the nurses and the fat fucking patients... 100 00:05:44,611 --> 00:05:45,813 Fire me... 101 00:05:47,548 --> 00:05:49,750 but know whoever slides into this seat 102 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:51,885 is gonna tell you a version of the same thing. 103 00:05:51,952 --> 00:05:53,420 I am trying to keep you 104 00:05:53,487 --> 00:05:56,090 from spending the rest of your life in prison. 105 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:00,728 I don't want to. 106 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:03,564 You've got my deposition, and you've got my records. 107 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:04,865 I don't have anything more to give. 108 00:06:04,932 --> 00:06:07,000 The judge ruled you have to testify in front-- 109 00:06:07,067 --> 00:06:09,403 How could the emails not be true? He sent them to me. 110 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:12,940 The defense has a right to cross-examine you and confirm that. 111 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:24,551 You know, I thought the other side of the world 112 00:06:24,618 --> 00:06:25,719 was far enough. 113 00:06:31,592 --> 00:06:33,894 They don't want me there because of the emails. 114 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:39,466 They wanna know about us, about our relationship. 115 00:06:44,872 --> 00:06:46,740 What are they gonna ask? 116 00:06:48,041 --> 00:06:49,643 If it were me, 117 00:06:50,444 --> 00:06:52,780 I would remind them as often as I could 118 00:06:52,846 --> 00:06:54,848 that you two were sleeping together 119 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,650 to establish a conflict of interest. 120 00:06:56,717 --> 00:06:58,752 You mean to call me a whore who can't be trusted? 121 00:06:58,819 --> 00:07:01,989 I know you're trying to leave this all behind, Ms. Morgan, 122 00:07:02,055 --> 00:07:04,491 but there's only one way to do that. 123 00:07:07,594 --> 00:07:09,897 This is hostile. She's being hostile. 124 00:07:09,963 --> 00:07:11,431 Do you need her to testify? 125 00:07:11,498 --> 00:07:13,834 I do if I wanna introduce that email. 126 00:07:13,901 --> 00:07:16,003 Can you prove your case without the email? 127 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:18,772 Precedent-setting is precedent-setting, Dr. Henderson. 128 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:20,073 No one's ever done this before. 129 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:21,975 Gotta assume every little bit helps. 130 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:23,777 She's been through enough. 131 00:07:23,844 --> 00:07:25,546 What the hell are you talking about, Bob? 132 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:27,481 She was in the O.R. She was in the consult. 133 00:07:27,548 --> 00:07:28,916 She had to know what was going on. 134 00:07:28,982 --> 00:07:30,918 You ask me, she hasn't been through enough. 135 00:07:30,984 --> 00:07:33,787 What about questioning his training and, and the investments? 136 00:07:33,854 --> 00:07:35,989 And we have the hospitals moving him around. What? What? 137 00:07:36,056 --> 00:07:38,125 We brought charges of elder abuse. 138 00:07:38,192 --> 00:07:41,495 The only way to prove that is to prove that he was trained well 139 00:07:41,562 --> 00:07:42,763 and that he knew what he was doing, 140 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:45,532 the whole time, he knew he was going to harm her. 141 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:46,600 Well, what about the drugs? 142 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:47,935 That would be helpful, but-- 143 00:07:48,001 --> 00:07:50,003 Fine, fantastic. Drag Kayla Gibson in here. 144 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:52,773 Unless Ms. Gibson knew he was high and was with him 145 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,209 in surgery that day, it's inadmissible. 146 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:57,211 -This is ridiculous. -No, it's not. 147 00:07:57,477 --> 00:08:00,247 You came to me to help you stop Duntsch. 148 00:08:00,848 --> 00:08:02,082 We have to choose. 149 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:03,483 If he's our goal, 150 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:06,653 then we have to focus on him and only him. 151 00:08:08,856 --> 00:08:10,958 State, call your first witness. 152 00:08:11,024 --> 00:08:12,759 -Drew Sweeney. -Joe Padua. 153 00:08:12,826 --> 00:08:14,161 -Harold Brennan. -Earl Burke. 154 00:08:14,228 --> 00:08:16,597 -Elaine Johnson. -Henry Aldrich. 155 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:18,532 -Cindy Tremblay. -Stan Novak. 156 00:08:18,599 --> 00:08:20,634 Would you tell us a little about yourself? 157 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:22,502 I'm 41. 158 00:08:22,569 --> 00:08:25,973 I work for the Collin County Medical Examiner's Office. 159 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:27,574 I worked for a pool company. 160 00:08:27,641 --> 00:08:30,944 My wife, Shelley, was an elementary education teacher. 161 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:33,580 Dorothy and I were married 46 years. 162 00:08:33,647 --> 00:08:36,250 Two kids, nine grandkids. 163 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,886 Commercial construction project manager. 164 00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:40,754 Started driving trucks in '98. 165 00:08:40,821 --> 00:08:42,990 Two children. Both had better be in school right now. 166 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:44,892 I'm an air conditioner contractor. 167 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:48,095 What were your symptoms prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch? 168 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:49,196 Light back pain. 169 00:08:49,263 --> 00:08:50,597 Lower back pain. 170 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:52,232 We were decorating the Christmas tree, 171 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:53,700 and Shelley missed a rung. 172 00:08:53,767 --> 00:08:54,968 Neck pain. 173 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:57,304 Pain in the neck and, um, numb pinky. 174 00:08:57,571 --> 00:08:58,572 Numbness. 175 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:00,173 -Tingling in my finger. -Back pain. 176 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,276 Hard to be a mom when you can't pick anything up. 177 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:03,677 Broke my back. 178 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:05,279 Motorcycle accident. 179 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,781 How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch? 180 00:09:07,848 --> 00:09:09,216 -My doctor. -Family doctor. 181 00:09:09,283 --> 00:09:10,984 Website called Best Docs. 182 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,120 Baylor Medical website. Five stars. 183 00:09:13,186 --> 00:09:15,188 Seemed like he knew what he was talking about. 184 00:09:15,255 --> 00:09:17,057 He told us he was gonna fix her. 185 00:09:17,858 --> 00:09:19,293 That's all we needed to know. 186 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:20,661 Arrogant. 187 00:09:21,194 --> 00:09:23,230 Told me he was the best in the metroplex. 188 00:09:23,297 --> 00:09:26,300 So it's the day of the surgery. 189 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,602 I had second thoughts that day. 190 00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:30,604 My understanding was my surgery was supposed 191 00:09:30,671 --> 00:09:32,172 to last a couple of hours. 192 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:34,641 It took four. 193 00:09:34,708 --> 00:09:36,810 When you woke up from surgery, 194 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:38,111 what was that like? 195 00:09:38,178 --> 00:09:39,346 A nightmare. 196 00:09:40,314 --> 00:09:42,783 I woke up in a nightmare, 197 00:09:42,849 --> 00:09:44,785 tubes coming out of everywhere. 198 00:09:44,851 --> 00:09:47,321 Feeding tubes, drain tubes. 199 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:50,624 I couldn't move, and the pain... 200 00:09:50,691 --> 00:09:52,759 They were pumping me full of blood, 201 00:09:52,826 --> 00:09:54,227 and I didn't know why. 202 00:09:54,294 --> 00:09:56,763 I was sore. I hurt. 203 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,699 -I was worse. -Couldn't move, 204 00:09:58,765 --> 00:10:01,168 and my wife told me he'd found a tumor 205 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:03,303 and had to abort the surgery. 206 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:05,839 It turns out it was a piece of my neck muscle. 207 00:10:05,906 --> 00:10:07,274 Every bone hurt. 208 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:09,609 I was crying. 209 00:10:09,676 --> 00:10:12,145 I'm sober, so I, I can't take the meds. 210 00:10:12,212 --> 00:10:13,880 She never woke up. 211 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:16,216 I went home. I laid around. 212 00:10:16,283 --> 00:10:18,018 Wasn't eating or drinking anything 213 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,120 'cause of the sore throat. 214 00:10:20,187 --> 00:10:21,855 I remember being like I was a baby. 215 00:10:21,922 --> 00:10:23,857 You know, like a baby who can't hold himself up. 216 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:27,160 First thing that went through my mind, "What's he done to me?" 217 00:10:27,227 --> 00:10:30,330 He looked at the incision and said everything was fine. 218 00:10:30,397 --> 00:10:32,065 He kept repeating himself. 219 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:33,333 He kept saying that what was wrong 220 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,935 wasn't related to the surgery. 221 00:10:35,002 --> 00:10:36,837 I knew there was something wrong with this guy. 222 00:10:36,903 --> 00:10:37,938 Sorry, man. 223 00:10:38,005 --> 00:10:39,172 You looked high as a kite. 224 00:10:39,239 --> 00:10:40,907 -Objection. -Sustained. 225 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:42,709 Has this changed your life? 226 00:10:42,776 --> 00:10:44,277 I walk with a limp. 227 00:10:44,344 --> 00:10:46,913 I have trouble with incontinence, 228 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:48,382 erectile dysfunction. 229 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:49,783 I can't sing. 230 00:10:50,917 --> 00:10:51,918 Ah... 231 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:54,421 Not that I was ever a good singer, 232 00:10:54,688 --> 00:10:55,722 but... 233 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,725 that's just an everyday reminder. 234 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:00,694 She was the love of my life. 235 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:05,999 It's hard to get over a broken heart. 236 00:11:06,066 --> 00:11:07,968 Just living one day at a time, 237 00:11:08,035 --> 00:11:09,336 just like recovery. 238 00:11:09,403 --> 00:11:12,139 I can't play with my children like I used to. 239 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:14,975 I learned ways to control the pain, 240 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:17,844 mostly through prayer and meditation. 241 00:11:17,911 --> 00:11:21,181 I sit in a recliner, watch TV, 242 00:11:21,248 --> 00:11:24,751 a lot of medicine, antidepressants. 243 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,153 I miss her. 244 00:11:28,789 --> 00:11:29,890 She was... 245 00:11:30,991 --> 00:11:32,359 She was a very... 246 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,129 very good woman. 247 00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:39,766 And that's all I can say. 248 00:11:42,169 --> 00:11:44,738 Can you tell us how old you are? 249 00:11:44,805 --> 00:11:45,906 Seventy. 250 00:11:46,807 --> 00:11:49,409 And what did you do for a living? 251 00:11:50,444 --> 00:11:52,145 I was a teacher's aide, 252 00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:56,416 and then I worked in physical therapy for a bit. 253 00:11:57,317 --> 00:11:58,785 Ironic. 254 00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:03,290 What took you to Christopher Duntsch? 255 00:12:03,356 --> 00:12:06,293 I had back pain for years, 256 00:12:06,359 --> 00:12:11,064 and it radiated to the end of my foot. 257 00:12:11,131 --> 00:12:13,967 And I tried all the treatments. 258 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:17,070 Steroid shots, PT. 259 00:12:17,838 --> 00:12:19,272 Nothing worked. 260 00:12:19,339 --> 00:12:22,843 Before you met the defendant, had you had surgery? 261 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:25,011 Mm-hmm. Uh, 2008. 262 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,279 A laminectomy. 263 00:12:26,346 --> 00:12:30,317 It helped for a number of years, 264 00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:35,322 but it didn't last and then my pain management team 265 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:37,457 referred me to Dr. Duntsch. 266 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:41,261 How did you feel going into the surgery? 267 00:12:42,062 --> 00:12:45,432 Fine. Um... Good. 268 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:50,170 I walked into the hospital happy, 269 00:12:50,237 --> 00:12:54,307 and I was thinking, "This is gonna fix it." 270 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:58,078 And how did you feel when you woke up? 271 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,082 I was in pain. 272 00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:07,287 I was in pain, 273 00:13:08,822 --> 00:13:11,224 and no one could tell me what was wrong with me 274 00:13:11,291 --> 00:13:13,260 until Dr. Henderson. 275 00:13:13,927 --> 00:13:16,496 Uh, he said that he thought that 276 00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:20,100 the fusion was improperly placed, 277 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:24,104 and that, uh, something was pressing against a nerve. 278 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:27,107 He said he didn't want to wait 279 00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:31,044 to operate on me, so they rushed me in. 280 00:13:31,111 --> 00:13:34,581 What happened after Dr. Henderson operated on you? 281 00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:37,918 The pain was much better, and I could... 282 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,987 I could move my right foot a bit, 283 00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:42,856 but not my left. 284 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:47,160 So prior to surgery with Christopher Duntsch, 285 00:13:47,227 --> 00:13:51,464 you had pain, but you could still live life. 286 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:55,502 And now? 287 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:00,006 I wish I could go back to the days 288 00:14:00,073 --> 00:14:02,242 before I met Christopher Duntsch. 289 00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:16,223 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 290 00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:18,124 Randall Parker Kirby. 291 00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:21,494 I went to Rice undergrad. Baylor for medical school. 292 00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:24,898 Stayed at Baylor for my five-year general surgery residency 293 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:27,067 as well as my two-year vascular surgery fellowship. 294 00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:30,904 I have privileges at every major hospital in Dallas, 295 00:14:30,971 --> 00:14:33,240 including Baylor, Medical City Dallas, 296 00:14:33,306 --> 00:14:34,641 Medical City Children's, 297 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:38,478 Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian, 298 00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:41,448 and approximately 40 other smaller hospitals 299 00:14:41,514 --> 00:14:44,517 and outpatient surgery centers here in the metroplex. 300 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:49,055 My area of expertise is anterior spinal access. 301 00:14:49,122 --> 00:14:51,391 I work with most of the neurosurgical 302 00:14:51,458 --> 00:14:54,594 and orthopedic spine surgeons here in DFW. 303 00:14:54,661 --> 00:14:58,999 I open up the chest and the abdomen so they can correct 304 00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:01,668 whatever deformity they need to correct in the front. 305 00:15:01,935 --> 00:15:05,138 I perform between two to four 306 00:15:05,205 --> 00:15:07,274 of these operations per day. 307 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,542 Five... Call it six days a week. 308 00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:12,245 I do hernias, hmm, 309 00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:13,647 gallbladders, 310 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,349 blockages of the legs, and the neck arteries, anyone? 311 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,652 But my area of expertise 312 00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,054 and the, the chapters I've published 313 00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,023 have all been on anterior spine access. 314 00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:24,958 And were you called in on a case 315 00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:27,060 regarding a patient named Joe Padua? 316 00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:30,063 Yeah, he, uh, works with the company 317 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:31,298 that takes care of my pool. 318 00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:33,533 I was asked to come in, lend a hand. 319 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,368 Uh, it seemed nobody else was available. 320 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:37,704 -Available? -Nobody wanted to work with him. 321 00:15:37,971 --> 00:15:38,972 Objection. 322 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,340 The witness has no way of knowing that. 323 00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:41,541 Oh, I do. 324 00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:43,410 -Sustained. -Eh. 325 00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:47,047 Did you know Dr. Duntsch prior to this surgery? 326 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:50,016 I met him one time before we had a conversation. 327 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:53,720 I was scrubbing in on a case, and, uh, he tried to convince me 328 00:15:53,987 --> 00:15:57,090 that he was the best spine surgeon in town. 329 00:15:58,024 --> 00:16:00,460 I found the conversation disturbing. 330 00:16:00,527 --> 00:16:03,563 I mean, sure, most surgeons are superior sons of guns, 331 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,298 some would even say yours truly, 332 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,734 but this guy was next level. 333 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:10,403 I mean, he tried to tell me that all the surgeries in Dallas 334 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,238 were being performed incorrectly. 335 00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,343 And what did you observe during your operation with him? 336 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:19,212 An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1 337 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,582 is about the easiest procedure a spine surgeon can perform, 338 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,484 and he just struggled. 339 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:28,221 I mean, he was functioning at the level of a first or second-year resident. 340 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,624 Instead of using a scalpel to remove the disc, 341 00:16:31,691 --> 00:16:35,228 he just started grabbing at it with a double-action rongeur. 342 00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:40,100 All right, imagine, instead of using a pizza slicer 343 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,736 to divide and conquer your extra-large pepperoni, 344 00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:46,239 you went after it with a pair of lockjaw pliers. 345 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:48,174 Not appetizing, right? 346 00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:50,243 Did it appear to you 347 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:53,079 that there was more blood loss than there should be? 348 00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,748 When he was taking the disc out, 349 00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,449 he took off a bit of bone 350 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,486 from the bottom of the L5 vertebral body. 351 00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:03,189 In surgical parlance, he violated the endplate. 352 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:05,425 Very difficult to do in healthy bone. 353 00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:07,327 He did the same thing to the sacrum. 354 00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:09,429 When you start chewing into bone, 355 00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:10,630 you get a lot of bleeding. 356 00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:13,800 It's not easy to stop bleeding when it's coming from bone. 357 00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:17,270 You're just really not supposed to do that. 358 00:17:17,337 --> 00:17:19,572 What are you supposed to do? 359 00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,274 Curet off the cartilage. 360 00:17:21,775 --> 00:17:23,710 A curet is like a scraper. 361 00:17:23,777 --> 00:17:25,211 You scrape off all the cartilage 362 00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:28,615 so you can get a proper fusion, and then heal bone to bone. 363 00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:30,650 When did you leave the surgery? 364 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,454 Midway, I was called into a, a previously scheduled operation. 365 00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:36,356 -Grudgingly. -Grudgingly. 366 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:38,191 Why grudgingly? 367 00:17:43,763 --> 00:17:45,265 He was the neurosurgeon. 368 00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:46,699 He was in charge. 369 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:48,701 I did my job. 370 00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:53,673 I did my best to guide him... and then I left. 371 00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:57,844 In hindsight, I suppose I could have dragged him out of there. 372 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,548 If there's ever a next time, I will. 373 00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:08,822 -State passes. -Defense. 374 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:21,234 You stated that Dr. Duntsch was operating at the level 375 00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:24,204 of a first or second-year surgical resident. 376 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,439 How many years does a neurosurgical resident 377 00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,740 typically study? 378 00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:29,242 Six. 379 00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:31,711 And would that include his training? 380 00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:33,680 Or lack thereof. 381 00:18:35,882 --> 00:18:38,418 Or lack thereof. 382 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,422 Well said. 383 00:18:43,189 --> 00:18:44,624 Defense passes the witness. 384 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:47,527 We stand in recess until tomorrow. 385 00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:04,878 -We can shift the blame 386 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,546 to your training. 387 00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:12,218 My training was some of the best in the world. 388 00:19:12,285 --> 00:19:15,421 No, it was some of the worst. 389 00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:17,891 What are you talking about? 390 00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,193 We'll say you slipped through the cracks. 391 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,761 You were told you were good enough to graduate, 392 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:23,463 but you didn't have enough training hours. 393 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:25,765 Your financial ties to Skadden 394 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:28,201 and the rest of the investors blinded them to your... 395 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,536 -to your flaws. -Stop. 396 00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:30,837 The entire medical community 397 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:32,372 of Dallas should have recognized it. 398 00:19:32,438 --> 00:19:35,341 Instead, they simply moved you from hospital to hospital. 399 00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:38,745 You are erasing my legacy. 400 00:19:40,513 --> 00:19:41,648 Legacy? 401 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:45,585 Christopher, you're done. 402 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,888 -Fuck you. Fuck you. -You'll never practice medicine again. 403 00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,357 And why aren't you pushing back on any of their witnesses? 404 00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:52,659 How exactly would I do that, Chris? 405 00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,727 I don't know. That's your job, isn't it? 406 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:56,729 You break them down. You tell them they're wrong. 407 00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:59,499 You get them to admit... admit whatever it was 408 00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:01,534 that they lied to me about that messed up their surgery. 409 00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:04,370 -Chris-- -You do something to defend me. 410 00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:05,672 The only witness, 411 00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:07,440 the only defense that I have right now 412 00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:09,475 is gonna speak to your narcissism. 413 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,413 Our best bet is to prove 414 00:20:13,479 --> 00:20:15,281 that you never should have practiced medicine. 415 00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,517 Give me this. Please give me this, 416 00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,453 and we might be able to save you. 417 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:13,039 Thanks for being here today, Mr. Summers. 418 00:21:13,306 --> 00:21:16,542 Can you tell us how you know Mr. Duntsch? 419 00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:23,650 We were classmates. Went to high school together. 420 00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:25,585 Lost touch. 421 00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:28,888 Reconnected when he returned to medical school in Memphis. 422 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:32,492 What led you to have surgery with Mr. Duntsch? 423 00:21:32,558 --> 00:21:36,396 Sharp, stabbing-like sticking pain in my neck. 424 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,563 Numbness. 425 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,432 Did he explain the risks? 426 00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:41,334 He advised it was dangerous. 427 00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:43,770 He promised to take care of me. 428 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:48,508 What did you do the night before the surgery? 429 00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,018 Watched a game. 430 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,821 Basketball. 431 00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:04,857 Then I went to bed around00. 432 00:22:04,924 --> 00:22:08,695 May... maybe more like30. 433 00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:13,666 What's the first thing you remember after the surgery? 434 00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,103 I could barely move. 435 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:22,508 I just kind of started freaking out, 436 00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:24,043 hollering. 437 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,545 Wanting to know what was going on. 438 00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,947 And did Chris come and talk to you? 439 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:32,051 Not at first, but eventually. 440 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,122 And then they took me in for a second surgery, 441 00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:38,391 and when I got out, I couldn't move at all. 442 00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:41,794 Do you remember making a statement in the ICU 443 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:44,697 that you and Chris were doing cocaine together 444 00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:46,132 the night prior to surgery? 445 00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:56,075 I wanted to see him. 446 00:22:56,876 --> 00:23:01,047 He wasn't coming around, and I... I was mad. 447 00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:03,616 I made it up. 448 00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:06,052 He was my doctor. 449 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,455 I wanted to know why I couldn't move. 450 00:23:09,522 --> 00:23:10,823 He was in charge. 451 00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:13,593 He, he wouldn't come see me. 452 00:23:15,027 --> 00:23:16,729 And he was your friend? 453 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,835 Let the record show the witness nodded. 454 00:23:23,536 --> 00:23:25,738 He was your best friend? 455 00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:29,709 Let the record show the witness nodded. 456 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:33,146 And he abandoned you? 457 00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,653 The State passes the witness. 458 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:51,430 I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. 459 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:58,771 You and Chris played football together, yes? 460 00:23:58,838 --> 00:23:59,972 That's right. 461 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,176 And did you have some victories 462 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,578 and some not-so-great games? 463 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:08,681 Yeah. 464 00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:10,850 And how did Chris deal with those games? 465 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:12,785 Did he always go in 466 00:24:12,852 --> 00:24:15,087 and always try to do his best? 467 00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:17,557 Yeah. 468 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:22,528 Were you aware that he was in a fellowship program 469 00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:24,764 studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 470 00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:26,032 Yes. 471 00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:28,768 And from your understanding, was it very important, 472 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,003 what he was doing for Dr. Skadden? 473 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:34,006 Yeah. 474 00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:36,509 And things like doing surgeries 475 00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:40,179 while he was there under Skadden's supervision, 476 00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:43,683 that was important to becoming a successful surgeon? 477 00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:44,917 Yeah. 478 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:48,054 Did you ever see Chris get out of obligations 479 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,822 that he had at school? 480 00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:52,959 I felt that way sometimes. 481 00:24:53,025 --> 00:24:55,094 Can you give us an example of that? 482 00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,564 Like, something that you saw or that made you think that? 483 00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:02,101 I can just remember maybe making a phone call to a doctor, 484 00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,670 maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor, 485 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:08,241 to say that he had stuff to do for DiscGenics. 486 00:25:09,108 --> 00:25:10,810 And I can remember them 487 00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:14,580 let him out whatever he had to do. 488 00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,616 When you would find out that Dr. Skadden 489 00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:18,818 and/or some other doctor would just excuse him 490 00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:22,021 from doing things at school in lieu of staying in the lab, 491 00:25:22,088 --> 00:25:23,689 I mean, did you think that was a problem? 492 00:25:23,756 --> 00:25:25,558 I, I never knew that, you know, what was happening, 493 00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:26,926 and so I... 494 00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:30,630 I, I don't know what he was missing or where he was going. 495 00:25:30,696 --> 00:25:33,532 -So I... I don't know. -Okay. 496 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,169 Well, did you ever meet any one of his classmates 497 00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:40,206 or anyone who went to the University of Tennessee Med School, 498 00:25:40,273 --> 00:25:41,974 and talk to them about the rigors 499 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,944 of completing medical school and completing that fellowship? 500 00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:47,280 I don't remember. 501 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,916 You don't remember anyone saying that... 502 00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:52,285 he only got through medical school 503 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:53,886 because Skadden liked him? 504 00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:56,222 I heard that after, you know, 505 00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:58,257 something similar to that since my surgery. 506 00:25:58,324 --> 00:26:01,661 Do you remember who that was that told you that or is that... 507 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:04,664 Uh, I heard it from a friend who heard it from another friend, 508 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,132 and he made a comment 509 00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:10,603 that, uh, Chris was able to circumvent the program. 510 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:14,206 Did they attribute that circumventing to Dr. Skadden 511 00:26:14,273 --> 00:26:17,043 -or some other doctor or both? -I don't know. I don't... I don't know. 512 00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:18,911 -Okay. -I don't... I don't know. 513 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,179 Okay, you said you understood-- 514 00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:21,847 I think what they attributed to is the fact 515 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,115 that they had companies with them. 516 00:26:23,182 --> 00:26:25,651 Well, that was the next thing I was gonna ask you about. 517 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,121 You said they had companies with him. 518 00:26:29,188 --> 00:26:31,891 They gave all the funds to those companies. 519 00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:33,292 Right. 520 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,127 For him to do the research, right? 521 00:26:35,861 --> 00:26:36,862 Right. 522 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:39,332 Okay, and it was very important 523 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,268 that research be successful to those companies. 524 00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:43,369 Is that correct? 525 00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:46,806 Yeah. 526 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,375 Now, when Chris moved here, 527 00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:54,046 did he cut off all work with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics? 528 00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:55,247 Not that I know of. 529 00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:56,983 So Chris came to Dallas, 530 00:26:57,049 --> 00:27:00,119 and he worked at the Minimally Invasive Spine Institute. 531 00:27:00,186 --> 00:27:01,687 -Is that correct? -Yeah. 532 00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:03,889 And while he was working there, 533 00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,257 he was being pursued 534 00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,127 by Amy Piel at Baylor-Plano. Is that correct? 535 00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:11,764 Well, she was interested in having a successful clinic on the property. 536 00:27:11,831 --> 00:27:14,400 Mm-hmm. All to herself. 537 00:27:15,234 --> 00:27:18,304 Because if he was with Missy, 538 00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:22,174 she wasn't getting all the fees that he would generate. 539 00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:26,379 Yeah. 540 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,981 So... 541 00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:31,984 ...both the chair of his fellowship, 542 00:27:32,852 --> 00:27:34,887 the person responsible for his training, 543 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:37,123 and one of the largest hospitals 544 00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:41,160 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area had financial reasons 545 00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:45,297 for ensuring that Christopher Duntsch was successful. 546 00:27:50,736 --> 00:27:52,171 I'd say so. 547 00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,410 Defense passes the witness. 548 00:27:58,711 --> 00:27:59,812 Redirect. 549 00:28:01,981 --> 00:28:05,818 Did Christopher ever visit you after the surgery? 550 00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:08,354 After you returned home to Memphis? 551 00:28:10,122 --> 00:28:11,190 Once. 552 00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:13,159 He came to visit. 553 00:28:14,427 --> 00:28:16,729 What did you talk about? 554 00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:21,300 His baby, his practice. 555 00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,103 Nothing in depth. 556 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:26,472 Did he ask about you? 557 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,776 About what was happening in your life? 558 00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:34,847 No. 559 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:40,753 Ms. McClung said that she was sorry 560 00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,288 for what happened to you, 561 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:45,357 even though she has no connection to your surgery. 562 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:49,929 Has Christopher ever said he was sorry? 563 00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:57,803 No. 564 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,376 Final question, Mr. Summers. 565 00:29:06,145 --> 00:29:07,379 He's here now. 566 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:11,117 Is there anything you want to say to him? 567 00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,119 -Objection. -Sustained. 568 00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:19,425 I love you. 569 00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:23,162 The jury will disregard that last statement. 570 00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,098 The State has no further questions. 571 00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,078 Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 572 00:29:39,145 --> 00:29:40,846 Major Kimberly Morgan. 573 00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:42,314 United States Air Force. 574 00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:44,550 And are you currently out on deployment 575 00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:46,785 in a location you cannot disclose? 576 00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:48,454 Yes, ma'am, due to security. 577 00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:52,057 Are you familiar with a person named Christopher Duntsch? 578 00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:53,159 Yes, ma'am. 579 00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:56,162 I ran the office at his clinic and assisted in surgery. 580 00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:58,898 Can you tell us what the defendant was like? 581 00:29:58,964 --> 00:29:59,965 His demeanor? 582 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:02,201 Caring, kind, 583 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,503 always very nice to the patients. 584 00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,238 He took time to listen to them. 585 00:30:06,305 --> 00:30:09,108 And did that change over the course 586 00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:11,043 of the time you were with him? 587 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:12,144 Yes... 588 00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,515 after the event in February 2012. 589 00:30:16,582 --> 00:30:17,983 The event? 590 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,820 Jerry Summers' surgery. 591 00:30:25,457 --> 00:30:28,160 Mr. Summers wasn't able to use his limbs, 592 00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:31,163 was having difficulty breathing, 593 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,301 and then he talked about how he and Dr. Duntsch 594 00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,970 were doing cocaine the night before the surgery. 595 00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:40,539 You were ordered to take a drug test? 596 00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:44,243 Myself and Dr. Duntsch. I, I took it right away that day. 597 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:47,112 -Did the defendant? -Eventually. 598 00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:50,416 It came back clean, and Baylor reinstated his privileges. 599 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:54,520 Shelley Brennan would be the last patient you assisted on? 600 00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:57,856 Yes. 601 00:30:57,923 --> 00:31:00,426 What do you remember about her surgery? 602 00:31:11,237 --> 00:31:12,972 It's a simple surgery. 603 00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:16,575 In one day, home the next. 604 00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:24,350 This is an email from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net 605 00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,085 to Kimberly Morgan. 606 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,587 The subject is "Occam's Razor." 607 00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:33,459 "Kim, unfortunately, you cannot understand 608 00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:37,162 that I really am building an empire, 609 00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:39,999 and I am so far outside the box 610 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,502 that the Earth is small and the Sun is bright. 611 00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:47,273 Anyone close to me thinks that I'm likely 612 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:50,209 -something between God, Einstein..." -God, Einstein. 613 00:31:50,276 --> 00:31:51,977 and the Antichrist... 614 00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:54,413 Because how can I do anything that I want 615 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,115 across any discipline boundary 616 00:31:56,181 --> 00:31:59,118 like it's a playground and never ever lose? 617 00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:00,519 Unfortunately, 618 00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:02,655 despite the fact that I am winning, 619 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:05,024 it is not happening fast enough. 620 00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:07,059 What is the problem, Kim? 621 00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:09,928 It is simply that everyone else is human, 622 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:13,299 and there's nothing I can do about it. 623 00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:16,201 So I pick and choose my humans 624 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:18,170 and try to help them. 625 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:22,441 You, my child, 626 00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:26,645 are the only one standing between me and the other side. 627 00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:32,051 I am ready to leave the love and kindness 628 00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:34,520 and goodness and patience 629 00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:37,523 that I mixed with everything else that I am 630 00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:40,392 and become a cold-blooded killer. 631 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:44,363 The sad fact is, I could go faster, do better, 632 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,498 catch more honor and respect 633 00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:49,101 by fucking everybody in the brain, 634 00:32:49,168 --> 00:32:50,736 emotionally and mentally controlling them 635 00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,172 in a manner that borders on abuse, 636 00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:55,407 taking no prisoners, 637 00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:57,343 sending everyone in my way, 638 00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,446 especially that fucks with me, to hell 639 00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:03,482 for the simple fact that they thought they could. 640 00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:08,287 What I am being as what I am, 641 00:33:10,089 --> 00:33:11,457 one of a kind, 642 00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:17,763 a motherfucker stone-cold killer. 643 00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:24,103 I'll pass my witness, Your Honor. 644 00:33:25,637 --> 00:33:28,774 I don't think it's morning where you are, but good morning. 645 00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:34,346 Now, the State is making a big deal out of this email 646 00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:36,115 they just read. 647 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:39,184 Did you know Christopher liked poetry? 648 00:33:39,251 --> 00:33:40,686 I found out later. 649 00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:44,523 But you're not surprised by his, his flowery language. 650 00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:47,126 I mean, he sent emails like that one quite often, didn't he? 651 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,227 Yes. 652 00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:51,630 Do you think Dr. Duntsch was a cold-blooded killer? 653 00:33:52,297 --> 00:33:53,298 No. 654 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,268 Now, it's no secret that you and Dr. Duntsch 655 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:58,737 had an intimate relationship. 656 00:33:58,804 --> 00:34:00,773 We know that involves sex, 657 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,308 but was there an emotional element? 658 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:04,410 Meaning? 659 00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:06,779 Well, among the people in his life, 660 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:09,348 based on everything you saw 661 00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:12,084 working with him day in and day out, 662 00:34:12,151 --> 00:34:13,385 sleeping with him, 663 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,421 you thought you were pretty close? 664 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:16,688 I thought so. 665 00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:18,457 Close enough that perhaps 666 00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:21,760 you didn't allow yourself to see the truth? 667 00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:23,495 The truth? 668 00:34:24,263 --> 00:34:26,098 About his abilities. 669 00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,699 I don't understand. 670 00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:29,635 Was he a good surgeon? 671 00:34:32,204 --> 00:34:34,206 That's outside my area of expertise. 672 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,508 You were in his office. You were in the O.R. 673 00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:38,177 You don't have a professional opinion? 674 00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:39,411 No. 675 00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:42,214 Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan, 676 00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:44,450 did you ever work with Dr. Duntsch again? 677 00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:46,151 -No. -Why not? 678 00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:47,319 I didn't wanna... 679 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,155 be in that environment anymore. 680 00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:52,591 That environment? What environment? 681 00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:01,233 Unhealthy... you know? 682 00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,302 You mean the environment in which patients 683 00:35:03,368 --> 00:35:04,670 were being maimed and killed? 684 00:35:04,736 --> 00:35:06,572 -Objection. -Sustained. 685 00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,407 Just one more question. 686 00:35:08,474 --> 00:35:13,445 If you believed that Dr. Duntsch wanted to hurt patients, 687 00:35:13,512 --> 00:35:15,681 you certainly would go and tell somebody about that, 688 00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:17,149 wouldn't you? 689 00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:23,722 Yes, ma'am. 690 00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,293 Pass the witness. 691 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:32,731 Stay safe, Ms. Morgan, wherever you've gone. 692 00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:48,547 How are you feeling? 693 00:35:50,516 --> 00:35:53,552 If they ask me questions about Duntsch's training, 694 00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:56,188 I can't promise you what I'm going to say. 695 00:35:58,223 --> 00:35:59,291 Yeah. 696 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:04,863 If we can't present our entire case, 697 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:07,466 the good, bad, everything, 698 00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:10,335 if we can't lay it all out and still win, 699 00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:11,537 then we shouldn't win. 700 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,240 You take that call. 701 00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:16,842 Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec. 702 00:36:17,576 --> 00:36:18,777 Dr. Henderson. 703 00:36:20,445 --> 00:36:23,348 If they ask, answer how you want. 704 00:36:26,285 --> 00:36:27,319 Thank you. 705 00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,357 Yeah, I'm here. 706 00:36:57,382 --> 00:36:59,751 We asked you here to give your opinion 707 00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,955 on four different cases the defendant performed. 708 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:06,692 What surgery did the defendant recommend for Jerry Summers? 709 00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:10,896 An anterior cervical fusion at C3-4 and C4-5. 710 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:14,466 What was the outcome of Mr. Summer's surgery? 711 00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:17,235 He was rendered a quadriplegic. 712 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,672 Would you walk us through it? 713 00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:22,374 There was a lot of bleeding. 714 00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:23,809 -Suction. -Suction. 715 00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:27,980 Sponge. Give me a sponge. 716 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:30,682 How many CCs were lost? 717 00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:34,720 A typical loss is somewhere 718 00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:37,289 between 25 and 200 CCs. 719 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:40,626 Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs. 720 00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:43,862 What accounts for that amount of blood loss? 721 00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,964 Injuring a major structure. 722 00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,265 Pituitary. 723 00:37:47,332 --> 00:37:50,469 He removed the disc from C3-4 and C4-5, 724 00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:52,371 as he was supposed to do, 725 00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,472 and then he removed 726 00:37:53,538 --> 00:37:55,974 a tremendous amount of bone on the left side. 727 00:37:57,542 --> 00:38:00,345 Over a third of the vertebral body. 728 00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:03,749 And in doing so, he lacerated the vertebral artery. 729 00:38:08,353 --> 00:38:12,457 The defendant chose to go back in for a second surgery. 730 00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,059 What procedure did he perform? 731 00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:15,527 Double action. 732 00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:19,631 A laminectomy in order to relieve pressure on the spine. 733 00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:21,667 But by removing excessive bone 734 00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:23,869 from both the front and the back, 735 00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:25,871 you're compromising the entire structure. 736 00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:28,306 In layman's terms? 737 00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:32,944 His head was barely attached to his spine. 738 00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:38,850 Let's move on to Shelley Brennan. 739 00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:41,386 The surgery Duntsch recommended, 740 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,755 was that a surgery that would fix her issue? 741 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:44,856 Yes. 742 00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:48,060 What was the outcome of Mrs. Brennan's operation? 743 00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,428 She died. 744 00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,330 Is that normal for this type of procedure? 745 00:38:52,397 --> 00:38:55,734 Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000. 746 00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:59,371 The pituitary rongeur went through 747 00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:02,474 the ligament in the front and lacerated the iliac vessels 748 00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:04,676 that lie directly on the side. 749 00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,779 -So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding? -Heavily. 750 00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,514 Would there have been blood 751 00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:11,783 visible in the operative site? 752 00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:13,085 Uh, sometimes, yes. 753 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,454 It doesn't appear to have been the case here, 754 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,489 but they should have noticed a drop in her blood pressure. 755 00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:22,527 Should a neurosurgeon know that a drop in blood pressure 756 00:39:22,594 --> 00:39:24,496 means there's a bleed somewhere? 757 00:39:24,563 --> 00:39:27,833 It's a fundamental rule, 758 00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,434 but the likelihood of them 759 00:39:29,501 --> 00:39:32,404 being able to address the issue is small. 760 00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:35,407 They'd call in a vascular surgeon for assistance. 761 00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:37,709 But he didn't do that. 762 00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:41,980 No. 763 00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:44,783 Dorothy Burke. 764 00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:48,086 Mrs. Burke had a previous anterior cervical fusion 765 00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:50,489 at C5-6 and C6-7 766 00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:53,058 that resolved her symptoms for a time, 767 00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:55,694 but she began experiencing neck and shoulder pain 768 00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,530 that had nothing to do with her prior surgery. 769 00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:02,400 Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a disc protrusion at C4-5 770 00:40:02,467 --> 00:40:05,771 and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level. 771 00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:09,541 He sliced through the vertebral artery again. 772 00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:20,051 We've been talking a lot about the vertebral artery. 773 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:22,954 Is it common for it to be hit during surgery? 774 00:40:23,021 --> 00:40:24,189 Exceptionally rare. 775 00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:26,525 -How many times have you hit it? -Never. 776 00:40:26,591 --> 00:40:29,795 And what happened to Mrs. Burke after her surgery? 777 00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:31,663 Her heart rate elevated. 778 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:33,165 She couldn't open her eyes. 779 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,935 No verbal response to questioning or commands. 780 00:40:37,002 --> 00:40:40,572 And what does that indicate to anyone in the medical field? 781 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:43,642 An impending disaster. 782 00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:46,511 What should Mr. Duntsch have done 783 00:40:46,578 --> 00:40:48,880 as soon as he was informed of that information? 784 00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:51,149 Physically examine the patient. 785 00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:53,819 Order appropriate studies. Scans. 786 00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:56,054 They were ordered by the ICU physician, 787 00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:58,190 which showed she was brain dead. 788 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:05,697 Where was Dr. Duntsch? 789 00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:07,766 He was operating on Madeline Beyer. 790 00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:10,735 Had the defendant focused on Dorothy Burke 791 00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:12,504 rather than Madeline Beyer, 792 00:41:12,571 --> 00:41:14,239 would she still be alive today? 793 00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,609 Based on what I know of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery, 794 00:41:17,676 --> 00:41:20,245 Mrs. Burke was dead the moment she agreed for him to operate. 795 00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:21,746 Objection. 796 00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:22,881 Sustained. 797 00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:26,918 Madeline Beyer? 798 00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:30,555 Mrs. Beyer is the reason I'm sitting here today. 799 00:41:31,923 --> 00:41:35,227 I, I tried... to fix her. 800 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:38,196 One of the screws was violating the spinal canal, 801 00:41:38,263 --> 00:41:41,600 damaging dura and nerve roots. 802 00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,802 How do you know when you've hit the dura? 803 00:41:43,869 --> 00:41:46,104 Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out. 804 00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:50,508 I found evidence of three attempted screw placements 805 00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:53,578 on the left side where he put no screws. 806 00:41:55,146 --> 00:41:57,115 The most disturbing part was, 807 00:41:57,182 --> 00:42:00,552 the entire reason he was operating 808 00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:02,187 was to remove the disc, 809 00:42:02,254 --> 00:42:04,089 and he didn't touch it. 810 00:42:04,155 --> 00:42:05,857 What did he take out? 811 00:42:05,924 --> 00:42:08,660 A large piece of the psoas muscle. 812 00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:11,763 He made a portal through that muscle 813 00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:14,199 and stuffed an implant in there. 814 00:42:14,266 --> 00:42:15,800 -Cage. 815 00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:17,636 Is a trained neurosurgeon 816 00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:19,137 going to know the difference 817 00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:21,706 between bone and muscle? 818 00:42:21,773 --> 00:42:23,074 -Yes. -Mallet. 819 00:42:23,141 --> 00:42:25,110 Would a trained neurosurgeon know 820 00:42:25,176 --> 00:42:28,113 that by malpositioning the interbody device, 821 00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:30,782 he was reasonably certain to cause her injury? 822 00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:32,017 Yes. 823 00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:34,552 Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 824 00:42:34,619 --> 00:42:37,122 that if he malpositioned the pedicle screws, 825 00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:38,890 he was reasonably certain 826 00:42:38,957 --> 00:42:40,926 to cause her serious bodily injury? 827 00:42:40,992 --> 00:42:42,294 Yes. 828 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,263 Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 829 00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:47,332 that if he amputated the nerve root, 830 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:48,800 he was reasonably certain 831 00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,102 to cause her serious bodily injury? 832 00:42:51,169 --> 00:42:52,337 Yes. 833 00:42:52,604 --> 00:42:54,940 The way the surgical tools were used 834 00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:56,341 in Madeline Beyer's case, 835 00:42:56,608 --> 00:42:59,911 do you think they were used in a manner that was capable 836 00:42:59,978 --> 00:43:02,714 of causing death or serious bodily injury? 837 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:07,752 Yes. 838 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,288 We pass the witness. 839 00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,162 Dr. Henderson, 840 00:43:17,228 --> 00:43:19,631 Ms. Shughart made quite the point 841 00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:23,134 that a trained neurosurgeon 842 00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:24,936 should have done this or done that. 843 00:43:25,904 --> 00:43:29,341 You're aware Christopher has both an MD and a PhD 844 00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,209 from the University of Tennessee. 845 00:43:31,276 --> 00:43:32,310 I am. 846 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:36,281 U.T. isn't some fly-by-night medical school. 847 00:43:36,348 --> 00:43:40,285 It's not like one of those in, in Guadalajara or Granada, is it? 848 00:43:40,352 --> 00:43:42,287 No, it's in Memphis. 849 00:43:42,354 --> 00:43:45,657 Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 850 00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:47,158 Does he have a good reputation? 851 00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:49,027 I do, and he does. 852 00:43:49,094 --> 00:43:50,962 And what was he responsible for 853 00:43:51,029 --> 00:43:52,998 in Christopher Duntsch's training? 854 00:43:53,064 --> 00:43:56,768 After Dr. Duntsch finished his residency at U.T., 855 00:43:56,835 --> 00:43:59,671 he came under the tutelage of Dr. Skadden 856 00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:00,872 for a fellowship training 857 00:44:00,939 --> 00:44:03,274 in minimally invasive spine surgery. 858 00:44:03,341 --> 00:44:05,777 Were you familiar with the fact that Dr. Duntsch 859 00:44:05,844 --> 00:44:08,413 was doing medical cancer research on the side 860 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,383 and that Dr. Skadden was involved in that research? 861 00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:12,884 I wasn't at the time, no. 862 00:44:12,951 --> 00:44:16,688 Should any doctor under any circumstances 863 00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:21,092 have their surgical training hours disrupted by research? 864 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:22,260 Absolutely not. 865 00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:25,430 So a neurosurgical resident or fellow 866 00:44:25,697 --> 00:44:27,832 can't just skip those hours. 867 00:44:27,899 --> 00:44:30,301 The supervisor has to sign off, no matter the excuse. 868 00:44:30,368 --> 00:44:31,369 Correct. 869 00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:34,406 Do the doctors in charge of the program have to sign off 870 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:36,141 that they're qualified to go and operate? 871 00:44:36,207 --> 00:44:37,275 Yes. 872 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:39,444 Did Dr. Skadden write letters 873 00:44:39,711 --> 00:44:41,980 of recommendation for Dr. Duntsch? 874 00:44:42,047 --> 00:44:43,748 Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch 875 00:44:43,815 --> 00:44:47,085 was a satisfactory surgeon in his fellowship. 876 00:44:47,152 --> 00:44:50,321 Well, had Dr. Skadden heard what was happening in Texas? 877 00:44:50,388 --> 00:44:52,190 Yes, because he had mentioned 878 00:44:52,257 --> 00:44:54,459 poor outcomes at Baylor when filling out 879 00:44:54,726 --> 00:44:56,795 a credentialing form at Forest Park. 880 00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:59,731 Do you have any idea why he wouldn't have explicitly told 881 00:44:59,798 --> 00:45:02,333 these hospitals not to hire Dr. Duntsch? 882 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,270 Dr. Skadden said that he had to write recommendations 883 00:45:05,336 --> 00:45:08,073 based on what he'd witnessed in his program. 884 00:45:08,139 --> 00:45:11,009 He couldn't speak to whatever was happening in Texas. 885 00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:14,412 He didn't write any more recommendations for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke. 886 00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:17,148 Has there ever been an instance 887 00:45:17,749 --> 00:45:22,187 in which a doctor was sued for not writing a recommendation? 888 00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:23,254 Yes. 889 00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,324 Well, that's frightening, is it not? 890 00:45:26,858 --> 00:45:28,126 It is to me. 891 00:45:28,493 --> 00:45:31,129 So Skadden had to sign off on him, 892 00:45:31,196 --> 00:45:33,498 or he wouldn't have been able to get their credentials? 893 00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:34,799 Correct. 894 00:45:34,866 --> 00:45:37,268 I mean, Baylor wouldn't let somebody just walk in off the street, 895 00:45:37,335 --> 00:45:38,369 start doing neurosurgery. 896 00:45:38,436 --> 00:45:41,005 Well, I also assumed they would have reported 897 00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:43,741 the outcomes of his surgeries to the authorities. 898 00:45:43,808 --> 00:45:45,076 As a matter of fact, 899 00:45:45,143 --> 00:45:48,379 they didn't say anything negative to anybody. 900 00:45:49,481 --> 00:45:52,851 Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker. 901 00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:56,921 Do you think the corporate level of the hospital 902 00:45:56,988 --> 00:45:59,524 was more interested in making money 903 00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:02,060 than in protecting their patients? 904 00:46:11,836 --> 00:46:14,005 Yes, I do. 905 00:46:14,072 --> 00:46:17,509 I think everyone was more interested in making money 906 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:19,144 and protecting themselves 907 00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,779 rather than protecting their patients. 908 00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:28,520 Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson. 909 00:46:29,821 --> 00:46:31,055 No more questions. 910 00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:33,791 I'd like to add something. 911 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,327 Redirect. 912 00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:39,197 Anything you'd like to add? 913 00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:44,102 Everyone knows the first tenet 914 00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:48,039 of the "Hippocratic Oath", "First, do no harm". 915 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:51,342 But there are others. 916 00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:55,446 "I will respect the hard-won scientific gains 917 00:46:55,513 --> 00:46:58,850 of the physicians in whose steps I've walked." 918 00:46:59,450 --> 00:47:00,518 He did not. 919 00:47:01,186 --> 00:47:03,922 "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, 920 00:47:03,988 --> 00:47:05,857 all majors which are required, 921 00:47:05,924 --> 00:47:08,993 avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment 922 00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:11,563 and therapeutic nihilism." 923 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:12,897 He did not. 924 00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:16,267 "I will not be ashamed to say I know not, 925 00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:18,836 nor will I fail to call them my colleagues 926 00:47:18,903 --> 00:47:21,172 when the skills of another are needed 927 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,041 for a patient's recovery." 928 00:47:24,876 --> 00:47:26,010 He did not. 929 00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:32,884 Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries 930 00:47:32,951 --> 00:47:34,552 in the manner that he performed them, 931 00:47:34,619 --> 00:47:36,854 I never would have allowed myself 932 00:47:36,921 --> 00:47:39,490 into an operating room again. 933 00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:42,560 Any one of them. 934 00:47:45,263 --> 00:47:46,598 Not ever again. 935 00:47:59,611 --> 00:48:04,249 The State flooded you with every possible patient they could, 936 00:48:04,315 --> 00:48:08,253 but Madeline Beyer's case is the case the State chose 937 00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,289 to go to trial on, so let's focus there. 938 00:48:11,356 --> 00:48:14,459 Now, according to the state, Dr. Duntsch didn't head 939 00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:17,328 into Madeline Beyer's surgery to fix her. 940 00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,497 He wanted to hurt her, 941 00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:22,100 but that's not what the evidence shows. 942 00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:24,369 The evidence shows he was 943 00:48:24,435 --> 00:48:27,538 a suboptimal surgeon. 944 00:48:28,439 --> 00:48:31,009 Now, are we trying to blame the hospitals? 945 00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:33,311 No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden? 946 00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:36,114 No, but the State asked time and time again, 947 00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:40,151 what would a well-trained surgeon do? 948 00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:42,253 I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you? 949 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,922 He got on the phone, called Skadden, and said, 950 00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:46,624 "Hey, we got this guy here. 951 00:48:46,691 --> 00:48:49,427 It says he graduated from your medical school, 952 00:48:49,494 --> 00:48:50,995 went to your fellowship, 953 00:48:51,062 --> 00:48:53,398 and I need you to stop recommending him." 954 00:48:53,464 --> 00:48:54,599 And Skadden replied, 955 00:48:54,666 --> 00:48:58,303 "Yes, he did train at my fellowship. 956 00:48:58,369 --> 00:49:00,238 But I don't know what to do." 957 00:49:01,172 --> 00:49:03,141 Because Skadden has figured out, 958 00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:06,577 "I screwed up. I let him out." 959 00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:08,212 I mean, Jerry Summers told you, 960 00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:10,715 he let him out of surgeries 961 00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:13,351 in order to do research. 962 00:49:13,418 --> 00:49:17,021 Now, you don't get to punish Dr. Skadden. 963 00:49:17,088 --> 00:49:18,723 You don't get to punish Baylor. 964 00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,125 You don't get to punish Dallas Medical, 965 00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:24,462 but you have the right to know what they didn't do. 966 00:49:24,529 --> 00:49:26,564 They didn't report him. 967 00:49:27,632 --> 00:49:29,300 They didn't challenge him. 968 00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:31,569 They didn't tell him that he was 969 00:49:31,636 --> 00:49:36,074 a suboptimal surgeon who needs to find other work. 970 00:49:36,541 --> 00:49:39,544 If you're a teacher and the children don't do well, 971 00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:43,448 your principal tells you you're a suboptimal teacher. 972 00:49:43,514 --> 00:49:45,083 If you're a mechanic 973 00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:47,585 and the cars you're working on keep breaking down, 974 00:49:47,652 --> 00:49:50,421 you're told you're a suboptimal mechanic. 975 00:49:50,488 --> 00:49:53,491 If you're a pilot and you can't land, 976 00:49:54,692 --> 00:49:57,195 well, you're told you can't do this anymore. 977 00:49:58,429 --> 00:50:00,264 Well, Baylor does the opposite. 978 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:04,235 They allow him to resign. 979 00:50:04,302 --> 00:50:07,205 And then they send a clearing letter to Dallas Medical, 980 00:50:07,271 --> 00:50:09,574 who hires him and then watches 981 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,610 as three surgeries in as many days go bad. 982 00:50:12,677 --> 00:50:13,711 And what do they do? 983 00:50:14,612 --> 00:50:15,680 Nothing. 984 00:50:17,515 --> 00:50:21,552 They don't report him to the National Practitioner's Data Bank 985 00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:23,354 or the Texas Medical Board. 986 00:50:23,421 --> 00:50:24,555 They allow this 987 00:50:24,622 --> 00:50:28,526 poorly-trained suboptimal surgeon 988 00:50:28,593 --> 00:50:30,061 to move on. 989 00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,533 The system broke down from the very beginning. 990 00:50:37,435 --> 00:50:40,204 Now, I don't envy your jobs. 991 00:50:40,271 --> 00:50:42,140 Both sides have their own perceptions 992 00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:44,175 of, of what happened, 993 00:50:44,242 --> 00:50:47,578 but you're the sole judges of the facts. 994 00:50:48,246 --> 00:50:50,715 Render your verdict according to the law, 995 00:50:50,782 --> 00:50:52,650 not according to emotions 996 00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:55,420 or sympathies or sending a message. 997 00:50:55,486 --> 00:50:58,222 It's about whether or not the State has proven to you 998 00:50:58,289 --> 00:51:01,325 that a crime was committed. 999 00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:03,694 It was a failure. 1000 00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:08,766 It was a human failure, 1001 00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:12,103 a systemic failure, 1002 00:51:14,705 --> 00:51:16,574 but it wasn't a crime. 1003 00:51:18,709 --> 00:51:21,846 On July 25th, 2012, 1004 00:51:22,113 --> 00:51:25,416 Christopher Duntsch went into surgery with Madeline Beyer, 1005 00:51:25,483 --> 00:51:27,351 an elderly individual. 1006 00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:29,120 He crippled her. 1007 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,691 Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled. 1008 00:51:33,758 --> 00:51:35,693 Nerves shredded. 1009 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,196 Leaking dural sacs. 1010 00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:40,598 Muscles hacked into. 1011 00:51:40,665 --> 00:51:42,266 These things happened. 1012 00:51:43,167 --> 00:51:45,603 But was it intentional? 1013 00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:48,573 How do you know what he intended? 1014 00:51:49,707 --> 00:51:54,378 You look at what he does before, during, and after. 1015 00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:58,883 He lied, about "this is normal pain." 1016 00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:00,651 "This is something new." 1017 00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:03,120 "I didn't do this to you." 1018 00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:05,723 "It's simply swelling, Jerry." 1019 00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:08,159 "Surgery went fine, Madeline." 1020 00:52:08,226 --> 00:52:10,495 "It's the surgical team's fault." 1021 00:52:10,561 --> 00:52:14,799 "Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold." 1022 00:52:17,869 --> 00:52:19,303 Look at them. 1023 00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:24,876 Look at the faces of the lives that were ruined. 1024 00:52:25,543 --> 00:52:28,446 We didn't bring them to you to have you convict him 1025 00:52:28,513 --> 00:52:30,581 based on sympathy. 1026 00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,518 We bring them to you so that you can know 1027 00:52:33,584 --> 00:52:36,287 everything the defendant knew. 1028 00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:39,290 How many patients should it take 1029 00:52:39,357 --> 00:52:43,261 before you know that what you're doing is hurting people? 1030 00:52:44,795 --> 00:52:45,830 One... 1031 00:52:47,532 --> 00:52:48,566 two... 1032 00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:51,636 three? 1033 00:52:52,236 --> 00:52:55,773 You make your best friend a quadriplegic? 1034 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,441 Four, you kill? 1035 00:52:58,175 --> 00:52:59,610 Five, you kill? 1036 00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:02,914 Should I list all 33? 1037 00:53:03,314 --> 00:53:05,650 I want to call them tragedies, 1038 00:53:06,317 --> 00:53:09,687 but that implies no one could have seen them coming. 1039 00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:12,657 These were assaults. 1040 00:53:14,225 --> 00:53:16,961 We're here talking about Madeline Beyer. 1041 00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:19,664 I know you don't have a doubt 1042 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:21,499 that when Christopher Duntsch 1043 00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:23,434 went into Madeline Beyer's surgery, 1044 00:53:23,501 --> 00:53:27,271 he was reasonably certain he was going to hurt her. 1045 00:53:28,406 --> 00:53:30,274 That's the standard of knowing. 1046 00:53:30,341 --> 00:53:33,611 Not that you know 100%, 1047 00:53:33,678 --> 00:53:35,780 but that you're reasonably certain. 1048 00:53:36,814 --> 00:53:40,985 The defense is implying it was his training. 1049 00:53:41,252 --> 00:53:43,554 He was trained for 17 years 1050 00:53:43,621 --> 00:53:45,690 prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer. 1051 00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:48,593 Trained at the University of Tennessee. 1052 00:53:48,659 --> 00:53:50,595 Trained at Semmes-Murphey. 1053 00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:52,630 Institutions with doctors 1054 00:53:52,697 --> 00:53:55,666 who would not put their reputations on the line 1055 00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,603 by recommending a poorly trained surgeon. 1056 00:54:02,673 --> 00:54:04,408 Don't blame his training. 1057 00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:06,877 Blame him. 1058 00:54:07,511 --> 00:54:09,614 Don't blame the system. 1059 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,315 Blame him. 1060 00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:14,785 He went into all those operations. 1061 00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:19,957 He put the scalpels to those patients' backs. 1062 00:54:20,024 --> 00:54:22,693 He kept going. 1063 00:54:23,694 --> 00:54:25,396 All these people. 1064 00:54:26,998 --> 00:54:28,933 If you're a human 1065 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,901 who values life, 1066 00:54:30,968 --> 00:54:32,703 who understands suffering... 1067 00:54:34,338 --> 00:54:36,607 You heard Dr. Henderson. 1068 00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:39,410 One botched surgery, just one, 1069 00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:44,048 and he never would have entered the operating room ever again. 1070 00:54:45,616 --> 00:54:47,585 If you don't stop him, 1071 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,023 Christopher Duntsch will leave this courthouse, 1072 00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:55,860 leave this city, this state, 1073 00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:58,462 maybe even this country, 1074 00:54:59,897 --> 00:55:02,633 and he will find a corner of the world 1075 00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,871 that allows him to continue hurting people. 1076 00:55:10,007 --> 00:55:13,511 Only you can tell him no more. 1077 00:55:22,453 --> 00:55:24,055 They don't understand. 1078 00:55:25,856 --> 00:55:28,392 All I wanna do is go back to my research. 1079 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,028 You gotta tell 'em, Dad. 1080 00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:34,365 I will never practice surgery again. 1081 00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:37,435 If they let me, uh, I can still do good. 1082 00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:39,336 -I can still help. -Just stop. 1083 00:55:39,403 --> 00:55:40,438 Okay? 1084 00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:42,973 It's time to stop. 1085 00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:53,718 We had these hardwood floors when you were little. 1086 00:55:55,619 --> 00:55:58,856 Active, always active. 1087 00:55:58,923 --> 00:56:00,424 So energetic. 1088 00:56:01,625 --> 00:56:02,960 You were so strong. 1089 00:56:03,794 --> 00:56:07,498 You would push the furniture around across these floors. 1090 00:56:09,066 --> 00:56:11,969 You never played with toys. It was always the furniture. 1091 00:56:13,704 --> 00:56:15,840 And how many times did I ask you 1092 00:56:15,906 --> 00:56:17,908 to stop it with the furniture? 1093 00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,445 But you wouldn't stop. 1094 00:56:23,547 --> 00:56:25,082 You wouldn't stop. 1095 00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:33,691 Maybe jail's the best thing for you, my boy. 1096 00:56:40,831 --> 00:56:42,900 You were less dull than I thought you'd be. 1097 00:56:46,003 --> 00:56:47,705 You're too kind, Randy. 1098 00:56:48,472 --> 00:56:51,842 Probably blown the whole case, but, uh, nice job. 1099 00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,015 We could have done more. 1100 00:56:58,082 --> 00:56:59,617 We should have done it more. 1101 00:57:00,684 --> 00:57:02,720 This is gonna happen again, you know. 1102 00:57:03,721 --> 00:57:05,689 Suppose we could do something. 1103 00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:08,058 I suppose we should. 1104 00:57:09,627 --> 00:57:10,928 Jury's back. 1105 00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,098 All right, well, we got time for some hoops. 1106 00:57:14,165 --> 00:57:15,833 -I wish. 1107 00:57:16,801 --> 00:57:18,102 We gonna win? 1108 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:26,644 I don't know. 1109 00:57:33,884 --> 00:57:35,119 I'm sorry. 1110 00:57:37,788 --> 00:57:39,023 You did great. 81418

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