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Looking like
a veritable movie star.
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Don't know how I got picked, Mr. Summers.
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Oh, you were our number one choice, Janet.
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See you out there.
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-Here, Ma.
-Excuse me, Jerry.
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Where do you want this?
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Oh, exam room. Thanks.
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I feel bad asking,
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but do you think
I could talk with Dr. Duntsch?
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Oh, he's real busy. Can I do something?
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It's more of a doctor-patient thing.
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Definitely don't want me
handling that stuff.
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-I'll talk to him.
-Thank you, Jerry.
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Will you make sure your mom's memorized
on what she's saying?
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I don't want her getting distracted
with lights, camera, action.
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Two reasons why patients normally present
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to their doctors
for pain related to the spine.
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The first is related
to the peripheral nervous system.
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That's called radiculopathy.
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Now, normally,
that type of pain is associated
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-with depression or with...
-Yo, Chris.
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-...degenerative changes in--
-Cut.
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Okay.
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Um, let's take a break.
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Knock out the patient's portion.
Come back.
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Good idea.
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Fuck me.
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I am so sorry.
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You're looking good. Feeling good?
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I thought it'd be more professional.
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Tell me what needs fixing,
Chrissy, anything.
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Kim's all over it.
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I know you're in the zone,
but Sarah wants to talk to you.
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Janet's daughter.
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Our patient?
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Oh, yeah, that's fine.
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Hey. Dr. Duntsch. How can I help you?
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Hi, Dr. Duntsch.
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Um, I noticed something in my mom's scar.
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Like, blue peeking out,
like a piece of sponge.
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So I got some tweezers and...
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Oh, wow. You should not have done that.
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Oh, my god. What did I do?
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No, it's just a stitch.
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It's fine, but...
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Look, you should call me
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before you go digging around
in there again, okay?
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-I did call a few times.
-Quiet on set.
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-You ready, Jenny?
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Should I tell my own story?
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Because this isn't my story.
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Janet, you look great today.
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Thank you so much for doing this.
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You did good.
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Yeah.
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Roll camera. And action.
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Dr. Duntsch is one great man.
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He is the best doctor I think
that you could ever go to,
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and if you're having
the problems that I had,
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you know, give him a call...
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because he'll fix you.
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No God damn way.
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-Mr. Duntsch...
-Doctor.
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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-Doctor.
-Dr. Duntsch,
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I don't think you appreciate
the position you're in.
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No, I don't.
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I do not appreciate
being locked up in a cage
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like a dog for a year and a half.
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And I certainly do not appreciate
you telling me
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that my best bet going forward
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is not just to fire your asses
and hire real lawyers,
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but to ask for a continuance.
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I need to find someone
to testify on your behalf.
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Put me on the stand.
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If anybody else tries
to describe what it is
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that I do or how I do it,
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they're just gonna end up
looking like a bunch of jerks.
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See, that right there is why
you can't take the stand.
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You're emotionally driven.
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And when you're emotional,
you can't control what you say.
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Try me.
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You are a drug-and-alcohol-addicted
surgeon
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who was too impaired to perform surgeries.
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Allegedly. None of that was--
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Like a drunk driver, which, by the way,
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-you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch.
-Doctor.
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No, you're no longer a doctor.
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-You had your license stripped.
-Temporarily.
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Not if we have anything to do with it.
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And how about that email?
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The one in which you're prepared
to become a cold-blooded killer.
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I never meant for that
to be taken literally--
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You wrote it.
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So it was just a coincidence
that you wrote that email to your lover,
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who also happens to be your assistant,
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just prior to killing or maiming
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-over 33 patients?
-It's not my fault!
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The anesthesiologists and the nurses
and the fat fucking patients...
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Fire me...
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but know whoever slides into this seat
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is gonna tell you
a version of the same thing.
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I am trying to keep you
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from spending the rest
of your life in prison.
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I don't want to.
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You've got my deposition,
and you've got my records.
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I don't have anything more to give.
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The judge ruled you have
to testify in front--
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How could the emails not be true?
He sent them to me.
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The defense has a right
to cross-examine you and confirm that.
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You know, I thought
the other side of the world
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was far enough.
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They don't want me there
because of the emails.
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They wanna know about us,
about our relationship.
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What are they gonna ask?
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If it were me,
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I would remind them as often as I could
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that you two were sleeping together
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to establish a conflict of interest.
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You mean to call me a whore
who can't be trusted?
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I know you're trying to leave
this all behind, Ms. Morgan,
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but there's only one way to do that.
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This is hostile.
She's being hostile.
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Do you need her to testify?
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I do if I wanna introduce that email.
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Can you prove your case without the email?
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Precedent-setting is precedent-setting,
Dr. Henderson.
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No one's ever done this before.
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Gotta assume every little bit helps.
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She's been through enough.
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What the hell are you talking about, Bob?
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She was in the O.R.
She was in the consult.
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She had to know what was going on.
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You ask me,
she hasn't been through enough.
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What about questioning his training
and, and the investments?
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And we have the hospitals
moving him around. What? What?
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We brought charges of elder abuse.
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The only way to prove that
is to prove that he was trained well
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and that he knew what he was doing,
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the whole time, he knew
he was going to harm her.
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Well, what about the drugs?
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That would be helpful, but--
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Fine, fantastic.
Drag Kayla Gibson in here.
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Unless Ms. Gibson knew he was high
and was with him
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in surgery that day, it's inadmissible.
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-This is ridiculous.
-No, it's not.
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You came to me to help you stop Duntsch.
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We have to choose.
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If he's our goal,
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then we have to focus on him and only him.
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State, call your first witness.
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-Drew Sweeney.
-Joe Padua.
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-Harold Brennan.
-Earl Burke.
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-Elaine Johnson.
-Henry Aldrich.
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-Cindy Tremblay.
-Stan Novak.
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Would you tell us
a little about yourself?
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I'm 41.
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I work for the Collin County
Medical Examiner's Office.
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I worked for a pool company.
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My wife, Shelley, was an
elementary education teacher.
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Dorothy and I were married 46 years.
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Two kids, nine grandkids.
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Commercial construction project manager.
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Started driving trucks in '98.
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Two children.
Both had better be in school right now.
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I'm an air conditioner contractor.
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What were your symptoms
prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch?
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Light back pain.
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Lower back pain.
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We were decorating
the Christmas tree,
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and Shelley missed a rung.
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Neck pain.
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Pain in the neck and, um, numb pinky.
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Numbness.
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-Tingling in my finger.
-Back pain.
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Hard to be a mom when
you can't pick anything up.
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Broke my back.
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Motorcycle accident.
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How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch?
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-My doctor.
-Family doctor.
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Website called Best Docs.
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Baylor Medical website. Five stars.
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Seemed like he knew
what he was talking about.
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He told us he was gonna fix her.
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That's all we needed to know.
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Arrogant.
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Told me he was the best in the metroplex.
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So it's the day of the surgery.
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I had second thoughts that day.
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My understanding
was my surgery was supposed
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to last a couple of hours.
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It took four.
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When you woke up from surgery,
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what was that like?
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A nightmare.
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I woke up in a nightmare,
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tubes coming out of everywhere.
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Feeding tubes, drain tubes.
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I couldn't move, and the pain...
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They were pumping me full of blood,
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and I didn't know why.
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I was sore. I hurt.
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-I was worse.
-Couldn't move,
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and my wife told me he'd found a tumor
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and had to abort the surgery.
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It turns out it was
a piece of my neck muscle.
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Every bone hurt.
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I was crying.
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I'm sober, so I, I can't take the meds.
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She never woke up.
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I went home. I laid around.
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Wasn't eating or drinking anything
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'cause of the sore throat.
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I remember being like I was a baby.
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You know, like a baby
who can't hold himself up.
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First thing that went through my mind,
"What's he done to me?"
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He looked at the incision
and said everything was fine.
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He kept repeating himself.
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He kept saying that what was wrong
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wasn't related to the surgery.
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I knew there was
something wrong with this guy.
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Sorry, man.
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You looked high as a kite.
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-Objection.
-Sustained.
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Has this changed your life?
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I walk with a limp.
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I have trouble with incontinence,
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erectile dysfunction.
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I can't sing.
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Ah...
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Not that I was ever a good singer,
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but...
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that's just an everyday reminder.
234
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She was the love of my life.
235
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It's hard to get over a broken heart.
236
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Just living one day at a time,
237
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just like recovery.
238
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I can't play with my children
like I used to.
239
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I learned ways to control the pain,
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mostly through prayer and meditation.
241
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I sit in a recliner, watch TV,
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a lot of medicine, antidepressants.
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I miss her.
244
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She was...
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She was a very...
246
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very good woman.
247
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And that's all I can say.
248
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Can you tell us
how old you are?
249
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Seventy.
250
00:11:46,807 --> 00:11:49,409
And what did you do
for a living?
251
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I was a teacher's aide,
252
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and then I worked
in physical therapy for a bit.
253
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Ironic.
254
00:12:00,954 --> 00:12:03,290
What took you to Christopher Duntsch?
255
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I had back pain for years,
256
00:12:06,359 --> 00:12:11,064
and it radiated to the end of my foot.
257
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And I tried all the treatments.
258
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Steroid shots, PT.
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Nothing worked.
260
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Before you met the defendant,
had you had surgery?
261
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Mm-hmm. Uh, 2008.
262
00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,279
A laminectomy.
263
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It helped for a number of years,
264
00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:35,322
but it didn't last and then
my pain management team
265
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referred me to Dr. Duntsch.
266
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How did you feel going into the surgery?
267
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Fine. Um... Good.
268
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I walked into the hospital happy,
269
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and I was thinking,
"This is gonna fix it."
270
00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:58,078
And how did you feel when you woke up?
271
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I was in pain.
272
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I was in pain,
273
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and no one could tell me
what was wrong with me
274
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until Dr. Henderson.
275
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Uh, he said that he thought that
276
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the fusion was improperly placed,
277
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and that, uh, something
was pressing against a nerve.
278
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He said he didn't want to wait
279
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to operate on me, so they rushed me in.
280
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What happened after
Dr. Henderson operated on you?
281
00:13:34,848 --> 00:13:37,918
The pain was much better, and I could...
282
00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,987
I could move my right foot a bit,
283
00:13:41,254 --> 00:13:42,856
but not my left.
284
00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:47,160
So prior to surgery
with Christopher Duntsch,
285
00:13:47,227 --> 00:13:51,464
you had pain,
but you could still live life.
286
00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:55,502
And now?
287
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I wish I could go back to the days
288
00:14:00,073 --> 00:14:02,242
before I met Christopher Duntsch.
289
00:14:13,486 --> 00:14:16,223
Would you please introduce yourself
to the jury?
290
00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:18,124
Randall Parker Kirby.
291
00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:21,494
I went to Rice undergrad.
Baylor for medical school.
292
00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:24,898
Stayed at Baylor for my five-year
general surgery residency
293
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as well as my two-year
vascular surgery fellowship.
294
00:14:27,534 --> 00:14:30,904
I have privileges at every
major hospital in Dallas,
295
00:14:30,971 --> 00:14:33,240
including Baylor, Medical City Dallas,
296
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Medical City Children's,
297
00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:38,478
Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian,
298
00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:41,448
and approximately
40 other smaller hospitals
299
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and outpatient surgery centers
here in the metroplex.
300
00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:49,055
My area of expertise
is anterior spinal access.
301
00:14:49,122 --> 00:14:51,391
I work with most of the neurosurgical
302
00:14:51,458 --> 00:14:54,594
and orthopedic spine surgeons here in DFW.
303
00:14:54,661 --> 00:14:58,999
I open up the chest and the abdomen
so they can correct
304
00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:01,668
whatever deformity they need
to correct in the front.
305
00:15:01,935 --> 00:15:05,138
I perform between two to four
306
00:15:05,205 --> 00:15:07,274
of these operations per day.
307
00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,542
Five... Call it six days a week.
308
00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:12,245
I do hernias, hmm,
309
00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:13,647
gallbladders,
310
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,349
blockages of the legs,
and the neck arteries, anyone?
311
00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:18,652
But my area of expertise
312
00:15:18,918 --> 00:15:21,054
and the, the chapters I've published
313
00:15:21,121 --> 00:15:23,023
have all been on anterior spine access.
314
00:15:23,089 --> 00:15:24,958
And were you called in on a case
315
00:15:25,025 --> 00:15:27,060
regarding a patient named Joe Padua?
316
00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:30,063
Yeah, he, uh, works with the company
317
00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:31,298
that takes care of my pool.
318
00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:33,533
I was asked to come in, lend a hand.
319
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,368
Uh, it seemed nobody else was available.
320
00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:37,704
-Available?
-Nobody wanted to work with him.
321
00:15:37,971 --> 00:15:38,972
Objection.
322
00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,340
The witness has no way of knowing that.
323
00:15:40,407 --> 00:15:41,541
Oh, I do.
324
00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:43,410
-Sustained.
-Eh.
325
00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:47,047
Did you know Dr. Duntsch
prior to this surgery?
326
00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:50,016
I met him one time
before we had a conversation.
327
00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:53,720
I was scrubbing in on a case,
and, uh, he tried to convince me
328
00:15:53,987 --> 00:15:57,090
that he was
the best spine surgeon in town.
329
00:15:58,024 --> 00:16:00,460
I found the conversation disturbing.
330
00:16:00,527 --> 00:16:03,563
I mean, sure, most surgeons
are superior sons of guns,
331
00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:05,298
some would even say yours truly,
332
00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:07,734
but this guy was next level.
333
00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:10,403
I mean, he tried to tell me
that all the surgeries in Dallas
334
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:12,238
were being performed incorrectly.
335
00:16:13,239 --> 00:16:16,343
And what did you observe
during your operation with him?
336
00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:19,212
An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1
337
00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,582
is about the easiest procedure
a spine surgeon can perform,
338
00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:24,484
and he just struggled.
339
00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:28,221
I mean, he was functioning at the level
of a first or second-year resident.
340
00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,624
Instead of using a scalpel
to remove the disc,
341
00:16:31,691 --> 00:16:35,228
he just started grabbing at it
with a double-action rongeur.
342
00:16:37,063 --> 00:16:40,100
All right, imagine, instead
of using a pizza slicer
343
00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,736
to divide and conquer
your extra-large pepperoni,
344
00:16:43,002 --> 00:16:46,239
you went after it
with a pair of lockjaw pliers.
345
00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:48,174
Not appetizing, right?
346
00:16:48,775 --> 00:16:50,243
Did it appear to you
347
00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:53,079
that there was more blood loss
than there should be?
348
00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,748
When he was taking the disc out,
349
00:16:55,014 --> 00:16:56,449
he took off a bit of bone
350
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,486
from the bottom of the L5 vertebral body.
351
00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:03,189
In surgical parlance,
he violated the endplate.
352
00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:05,425
Very difficult to do in healthy bone.
353
00:17:05,492 --> 00:17:07,327
He did the same thing to the sacrum.
354
00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:09,429
When you start chewing into bone,
355
00:17:09,496 --> 00:17:10,630
you get a lot of bleeding.
356
00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:13,800
It's not easy to stop bleeding
when it's coming from bone.
357
00:17:14,768 --> 00:17:17,270
You're just really not
supposed to do that.
358
00:17:17,337 --> 00:17:19,572
What are you supposed to do?
359
00:17:19,639 --> 00:17:21,274
Curet off the cartilage.
360
00:17:21,775 --> 00:17:23,710
A curet is like a scraper.
361
00:17:23,777 --> 00:17:25,211
You scrape off all the cartilage
362
00:17:25,278 --> 00:17:28,615
so you can get a proper fusion,
and then heal bone to bone.
363
00:17:28,681 --> 00:17:30,650
When did you leave the surgery?
364
00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,454
Midway, I was called into
a, a previously scheduled operation.
365
00:17:34,521 --> 00:17:36,356
-Grudgingly.
-Grudgingly.
366
00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:38,191
Why grudgingly?
367
00:17:43,763 --> 00:17:45,265
He was the neurosurgeon.
368
00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:46,699
He was in charge.
369
00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:48,701
I did my job.
370
00:17:48,768 --> 00:17:53,673
I did my best to guide him...
and then I left.
371
00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:57,844
In hindsight, I suppose I could
have dragged him out of there.
372
00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,548
If there's ever a next time, I will.
373
00:18:06,252 --> 00:18:08,822
-State passes.
-Defense.
374
00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:21,234
You stated that Dr. Duntsch
was operating at the level
375
00:18:21,301 --> 00:18:24,204
of a first or second-year
surgical resident.
376
00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:26,439
How many years does
a neurosurgical resident
377
00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:27,740
typically study?
378
00:18:27,807 --> 00:18:29,242
Six.
379
00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:31,711
And would that include his training?
380
00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:33,680
Or lack thereof.
381
00:18:35,882 --> 00:18:38,418
Or lack thereof.
382
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,422
Well said.
383
00:18:43,189 --> 00:18:44,624
Defense passes the witness.
384
00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:47,527
We stand in recess until tomorrow.
385
00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:04,878
-We can shift the blame
386
00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:06,546
to your training.
387
00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:12,218
My training was some
of the best in the world.
388
00:19:12,285 --> 00:19:15,421
No, it was some of the worst.
389
00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:17,891
What are you talking about?
390
00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:20,193
We'll say you slipped
through the cracks.
391
00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,761
You were told you were
good enough to graduate,
392
00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:23,463
but you didn't have enough training hours.
393
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:25,765
Your financial ties to Skadden
394
00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:28,201
and the rest of the investors
blinded them to your...
395
00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,536
-to your flaws.
-Stop.
396
00:19:29,602 --> 00:19:30,837
The entire medical community
397
00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:32,372
of Dallas should have recognized it.
398
00:19:32,438 --> 00:19:35,341
Instead, they simply moved you
from hospital to hospital.
399
00:19:35,408 --> 00:19:38,745
You are erasing my legacy.
400
00:19:40,513 --> 00:19:41,648
Legacy?
401
00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:45,585
Christopher, you're done.
402
00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,888
-Fuck you. Fuck you.
-You'll never practice medicine again.
403
00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,357
And why aren't you pushing back
on any of their witnesses?
404
00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:52,659
How exactly would I do that, Chris?
405
00:19:52,725 --> 00:19:54,727
I don't know. That's your job, isn't it?
406
00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:56,729
You break them down.
You tell them they're wrong.
407
00:19:56,796 --> 00:19:59,499
You get them to admit...
admit whatever it was
408
00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:01,534
that they lied to me about
that messed up their surgery.
409
00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:04,370
-Chris--
-You do something to defend me.
410
00:20:04,437 --> 00:20:05,672
The only witness,
411
00:20:05,738 --> 00:20:07,440
the only defense that I have right now
412
00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:09,475
is gonna speak to your narcissism.
413
00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,413
Our best bet is to prove
414
00:20:13,479 --> 00:20:15,281
that you never should
have practiced medicine.
415
00:20:15,348 --> 00:20:17,517
Give me this. Please give me this,
416
00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,453
and we might be able to save you.
417
00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:13,039
Thanks for being here today, Mr. Summers.
418
00:21:13,306 --> 00:21:16,542
Can you tell us how you know Mr. Duntsch?
419
00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:23,650
We were classmates.
Went to high school together.
420
00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:25,585
Lost touch.
421
00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:28,888
Reconnected when he returned
to medical school in Memphis.
422
00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:32,492
What led you to have surgery
with Mr. Duntsch?
423
00:21:32,558 --> 00:21:36,396
Sharp, stabbing-like
sticking pain in my neck.
424
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,563
Numbness.
425
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,432
Did he explain the risks?
426
00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:41,334
He advised it was dangerous.
427
00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:43,770
He promised to take care of me.
428
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:48,508
What did you do the night
before the surgery?
429
00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,018
Watched a game.
430
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,821
Basketball.
431
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:04,857
Then I went to bed around00.
432
00:22:04,924 --> 00:22:08,695
May... maybe more like30.
433
00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:13,666
What's the first thing
you remember after the surgery?
434
00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,103
I could barely move.
435
00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:22,508
I just kind of started freaking out,
436
00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:24,043
hollering.
437
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,545
Wanting to know what was going on.
438
00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,947
And did Chris come and talk to you?
439
00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:32,051
Not at first, but eventually.
440
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,122
And then they took me in
for a second surgery,
441
00:22:36,389 --> 00:22:38,391
and when I got out,
I couldn't move at all.
442
00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:41,794
Do you remember making
a statement in the ICU
443
00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:44,697
that you and Chris
were doing cocaine together
444
00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:46,132
the night prior to surgery?
445
00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:56,075
I wanted to see him.
446
00:22:56,876 --> 00:23:01,047
He wasn't coming around,
and I... I was mad.
447
00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:03,616
I made it up.
448
00:23:04,450 --> 00:23:06,052
He was my doctor.
449
00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,455
I wanted to know why I couldn't move.
450
00:23:09,522 --> 00:23:10,823
He was in charge.
451
00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:13,593
He, he wouldn't come see me.
452
00:23:15,027 --> 00:23:16,729
And he was your friend?
453
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,835
Let the record show
the witness nodded.
454
00:23:23,536 --> 00:23:25,738
He was your best friend?
455
00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:29,709
Let the record show the witness nodded.
456
00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:33,146
And he abandoned you?
457
00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,653
The State passes the witness.
458
00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:51,430
I'm terribly sorry
for what happened to you.
459
00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:58,771
You and Chris played
football together, yes?
460
00:23:58,838 --> 00:23:59,972
That's right.
461
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,176
And did you have some victories
462
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,578
and some not-so-great games?
463
00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:08,681
Yeah.
464
00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:10,850
And how did Chris deal with those games?
465
00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:12,785
Did he always go in
466
00:24:12,852 --> 00:24:15,087
and always try to do his best?
467
00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:17,557
Yeah.
468
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:22,528
Were you aware that he was
in a fellowship program
469
00:24:22,595 --> 00:24:24,764
studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
470
00:24:24,831 --> 00:24:26,032
Yes.
471
00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:28,768
And from your understanding,
was it very important,
472
00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:31,003
what he was doing for Dr. Skadden?
473
00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:34,006
Yeah.
474
00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:36,509
And things like doing surgeries
475
00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:40,179
while he was there
under Skadden's supervision,
476
00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:43,683
that was important to becoming
a successful surgeon?
477
00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:44,917
Yeah.
478
00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:48,054
Did you ever see Chris
get out of obligations
479
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,822
that he had at school?
480
00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:52,959
I felt that way sometimes.
481
00:24:53,025 --> 00:24:55,094
Can you give us an example of that?
482
00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,564
Like, something that you saw
or that made you think that?
483
00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:02,101
I can just remember
maybe making a phone call to a doctor,
484
00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,670
maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor,
485
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:08,241
to say that he had stuff
to do for DiscGenics.
486
00:25:09,108 --> 00:25:10,810
And I can remember them
487
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:14,580
let him out whatever he had to do.
488
00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,616
When you would find out that Dr. Skadden
489
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:18,818
and/or some other doctor
would just excuse him
490
00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:22,021
from doing things at school
in lieu of staying in the lab,
491
00:25:22,088 --> 00:25:23,689
I mean, did you think that was a problem?
492
00:25:23,756 --> 00:25:25,558
I, I never knew that, you know,
what was happening,
493
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:26,926
and so I...
494
00:25:27,894 --> 00:25:30,630
I, I don't know what he was missing
or where he was going.
495
00:25:30,696 --> 00:25:33,532
-So I... I don't know.
-Okay.
496
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,169
Well, did you ever meet
any one of his classmates
497
00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:40,206
or anyone who went to the University
of Tennessee Med School,
498
00:25:40,273 --> 00:25:41,974
and talk to them about the rigors
499
00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:44,944
of completing medical school
and completing that fellowship?
500
00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:47,280
I don't remember.
501
00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:49,916
You don't remember anyone saying that...
502
00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:52,285
he only got through medical school
503
00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:53,886
because Skadden liked him?
504
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:56,222
I heard that after, you know,
505
00:25:56,289 --> 00:25:58,257
something similar to that
since my surgery.
506
00:25:58,324 --> 00:26:01,661
Do you remember who that was
that told you that or is that...
507
00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:04,664
Uh, I heard it from a friend
who heard it from another friend,
508
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,132
and he made a comment
509
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:10,603
that, uh, Chris was able
to circumvent the program.
510
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:14,206
Did they attribute
that circumventing to Dr. Skadden
511
00:26:14,273 --> 00:26:17,043
-or some other doctor or both?
-I don't know. I don't... I don't know.
512
00:26:17,109 --> 00:26:18,911
-Okay.
-I don't... I don't know.
513
00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,179
Okay, you said you understood--
514
00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:21,847
I think what they attributed to
is the fact
515
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,115
that they had companies with them.
516
00:26:23,182 --> 00:26:25,651
Well, that was the next thing
I was gonna ask you about.
517
00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,121
You said they had companies with him.
518
00:26:29,188 --> 00:26:31,891
They gave all the funds
to those companies.
519
00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:33,292
Right.
520
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,127
For him to do the research, right?
521
00:26:35,861 --> 00:26:36,862
Right.
522
00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:39,332
Okay, and it was very important
523
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:42,268
that research be successful
to those companies.
524
00:26:42,335 --> 00:26:43,369
Is that correct?
525
00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:46,806
Yeah.
526
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,375
Now, when Chris moved here,
527
00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:54,046
did he cut off all work
with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics?
528
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:55,247
Not that I know of.
529
00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:56,983
So Chris came to Dallas,
530
00:26:57,049 --> 00:27:00,119
and he worked at the Minimally
Invasive Spine Institute.
531
00:27:00,186 --> 00:27:01,687
-Is that correct?
-Yeah.
532
00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:03,889
And while he was working there,
533
00:27:03,956 --> 00:27:05,257
he was being pursued
534
00:27:05,324 --> 00:27:08,127
by Amy Piel at Baylor-Plano.
Is that correct?
535
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:11,764
Well, she was interested in having
a successful clinic on the property.
536
00:27:11,831 --> 00:27:14,400
Mm-hmm. All to herself.
537
00:27:15,234 --> 00:27:18,304
Because if he was with Missy,
538
00:27:19,038 --> 00:27:22,174
she wasn't getting all the fees
that he would generate.
539
00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:26,379
Yeah.
540
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,981
So...
541
00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:31,984
...both the chair of his fellowship,
542
00:27:32,852 --> 00:27:34,887
the person responsible for his training,
543
00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:37,123
and one of the largest hospitals
544
00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:41,160
in the Dallas-Fort Worth area
had financial reasons
545
00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:45,297
for ensuring that Christopher Duntsch
was successful.
546
00:27:50,736 --> 00:27:52,171
I'd say so.
547
00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,410
Defense passes the witness.
548
00:27:58,711 --> 00:27:59,812
Redirect.
549
00:28:01,981 --> 00:28:05,818
Did Christopher ever visit you
after the surgery?
550
00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:08,354
After you returned home to Memphis?
551
00:28:10,122 --> 00:28:11,190
Once.
552
00:28:11,791 --> 00:28:13,159
He came to visit.
553
00:28:14,427 --> 00:28:16,729
What did you talk about?
554
00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:21,300
His baby, his practice.
555
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,103
Nothing in depth.
556
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:26,472
Did he ask about you?
557
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,776
About what was
happening in your life?
558
00:28:33,746 --> 00:28:34,847
No.
559
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:40,753
Ms. McClung said that she was sorry
560
00:28:40,820 --> 00:28:42,288
for what happened to you,
561
00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:45,357
even though she has
no connection to your surgery.
562
00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:49,929
Has Christopher ever said he was sorry?
563
00:28:56,469 --> 00:28:57,803
No.
564
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:04,376
Final question, Mr. Summers.
565
00:29:06,145 --> 00:29:07,379
He's here now.
566
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:11,117
Is there anything you want to say to him?
567
00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,119
-Objection.
-Sustained.
568
00:29:18,257 --> 00:29:19,425
I love you.
569
00:29:20,025 --> 00:29:23,162
The jury will disregard
that last statement.
570
00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:26,098
The State has no
further questions.
571
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:39,078
Would you please introduce yourself
to the jury?
572
00:29:39,145 --> 00:29:40,846
Major Kimberly Morgan.
573
00:29:40,913 --> 00:29:42,314
United States Air Force.
574
00:29:42,381 --> 00:29:44,550
And are you currently
out on deployment
575
00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:46,785
in a location you cannot disclose?
576
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:48,454
Yes, ma'am, due to security.
577
00:29:48,521 --> 00:29:52,057
Are you familiar with a person
named Christopher Duntsch?
578
00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:53,159
Yes, ma'am.
579
00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:56,162
I ran the office at his clinic
and assisted in surgery.
580
00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:58,898
Can you tell us
what the defendant was like?
581
00:29:58,964 --> 00:29:59,965
His demeanor?
582
00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:02,201
Caring, kind,
583
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,503
always very nice to the patients.
584
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,238
He took time to listen to them.
585
00:30:06,305 --> 00:30:09,108
And did that change over the course
586
00:30:09,175 --> 00:30:11,043
of the time you were with him?
587
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:12,144
Yes...
588
00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:16,515
after the event in February 2012.
589
00:30:16,582 --> 00:30:17,983
The event?
590
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,820
Jerry Summers' surgery.
591
00:30:25,457 --> 00:30:28,160
Mr. Summers wasn't able to use his limbs,
592
00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:31,163
was having difficulty breathing,
593
00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,301
and then he talked about
how he and Dr. Duntsch
594
00:30:35,367 --> 00:30:37,970
were doing cocaine
the night before the surgery.
595
00:30:38,037 --> 00:30:40,539
You were ordered
to take a drug test?
596
00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:44,243
Myself and Dr. Duntsch.
I, I took it right away that day.
597
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:47,112
-Did the defendant?
-Eventually.
598
00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:50,416
It came back clean,
and Baylor reinstated his privileges.
599
00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:54,520
Shelley Brennan would be
the last patient you assisted on?
600
00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:57,856
Yes.
601
00:30:57,923 --> 00:31:00,426
What do you remember about her surgery?
602
00:31:11,237 --> 00:31:12,972
It's a simple surgery.
603
00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:16,575
In one day, home the next.
604
00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:24,350
This is an email
from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net
605
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,085
to Kimberly Morgan.
606
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:28,587
The subject is "Occam's Razor."
607
00:31:28,654 --> 00:31:33,459
"Kim, unfortunately, you cannot understand
608
00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:37,162
that I really am building an empire,
609
00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:39,999
and I am so far outside the box
610
00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:43,502
that the Earth is small
and the Sun is bright.
611
00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:47,273
Anyone close to me thinks
that I'm likely
612
00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:50,209
-something between God, Einstein..."
-God, Einstein.
613
00:31:50,276 --> 00:31:51,977
and the Antichrist...
614
00:31:52,044 --> 00:31:54,413
Because how can I do anything that I want
615
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,115
across any discipline boundary
616
00:31:56,181 --> 00:31:59,118
like it's a playground
and never ever lose?
617
00:31:59,184 --> 00:32:00,519
Unfortunately,
618
00:32:00,586 --> 00:32:02,655
despite the fact that I am winning,
619
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:05,024
it is not happening fast enough.
620
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:07,059
What is the problem, Kim?
621
00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:09,928
It is simply that everyone else is human,
622
00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:13,299
and there's nothing I can do about it.
623
00:32:13,365 --> 00:32:16,201
So I pick and choose my humans
624
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:18,170
and try to help them.
625
00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:22,441
You, my child,
626
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:26,645
are the only one standing
between me and the other side.
627
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:32,051
I am ready to leave the love and kindness
628
00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:34,520
and goodness and patience
629
00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:37,523
that I mixed
with everything else that I am
630
00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:40,392
and become a cold-blooded killer.
631
00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:44,363
The sad fact is,
I could go faster, do better,
632
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,498
catch more honor and respect
633
00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:49,101
by fucking everybody in the brain,
634
00:32:49,168 --> 00:32:50,736
emotionally and mentally controlling them
635
00:32:51,003 --> 00:32:53,172
in a manner that borders on abuse,
636
00:32:53,238 --> 00:32:55,407
taking no prisoners,
637
00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:57,343
sending everyone in my way,
638
00:32:57,409 --> 00:33:00,446
especially that fucks with me, to hell
639
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:03,482
for the simple fact
that they thought they could.
640
00:33:06,185 --> 00:33:08,287
What I am being as what I am,
641
00:33:10,089 --> 00:33:11,457
one of a kind,
642
00:33:13,192 --> 00:33:17,763
a motherfucker stone-cold killer.
643
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:24,103
I'll pass my witness, Your Honor.
644
00:33:25,637 --> 00:33:28,774
I don't think it's morning
where you are, but good morning.
645
00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:34,346
Now, the State is making
a big deal out of this email
646
00:33:34,413 --> 00:33:36,115
they just read.
647
00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:39,184
Did you know Christopher liked poetry?
648
00:33:39,251 --> 00:33:40,686
I found out later.
649
00:33:40,753 --> 00:33:44,523
But you're not surprised
by his, his flowery language.
650
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:47,126
I mean, he sent emails
like that one quite often, didn't he?
651
00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,227
Yes.
652
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:51,630
Do you think Dr. Duntsch
was a cold-blooded killer?
653
00:33:52,297 --> 00:33:53,298
No.
654
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,268
Now, it's no secret
that you and Dr. Duntsch
655
00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:58,737
had an intimate relationship.
656
00:33:58,804 --> 00:34:00,773
We know that involves sex,
657
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,308
but was there an emotional element?
658
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:04,410
Meaning?
659
00:34:04,476 --> 00:34:06,779
Well, among the people
in his life,
660
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:09,348
based on everything you saw
661
00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:12,084
working with him day in and day out,
662
00:34:12,151 --> 00:34:13,385
sleeping with him,
663
00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:15,421
you thought you were pretty close?
664
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:16,688
I thought so.
665
00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:18,457
Close enough that perhaps
666
00:34:18,524 --> 00:34:21,760
you didn't allow yourself
to see the truth?
667
00:34:22,428 --> 00:34:23,495
The truth?
668
00:34:24,263 --> 00:34:26,098
About his abilities.
669
00:34:26,165 --> 00:34:27,699
I don't understand.
670
00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:29,635
Was he a good surgeon?
671
00:34:32,204 --> 00:34:34,206
That's outside my area of expertise.
672
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,508
You were in his office.
You were in the O.R.
673
00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:38,177
You don't have a professional opinion?
674
00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:39,411
No.
675
00:34:40,212 --> 00:34:42,214
Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan,
676
00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:44,450
did you ever work with Dr. Duntsch again?
677
00:34:44,516 --> 00:34:46,151
-No.
-Why not?
678
00:34:46,218 --> 00:34:47,319
I didn't wanna...
679
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,155
be in that environment anymore.
680
00:34:50,222 --> 00:34:52,591
That environment?
What environment?
681
00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:01,233
Unhealthy... you know?
682
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,302
You mean the environment in which patients
683
00:35:03,368 --> 00:35:04,670
were being maimed and killed?
684
00:35:04,736 --> 00:35:06,572
-Objection.
-Sustained.
685
00:35:06,638 --> 00:35:08,407
Just one more question.
686
00:35:08,474 --> 00:35:13,445
If you believed that Dr. Duntsch
wanted to hurt patients,
687
00:35:13,512 --> 00:35:15,681
you certainly would go
and tell somebody about that,
688
00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:17,149
wouldn't you?
689
00:35:22,387 --> 00:35:23,722
Yes, ma'am.
690
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,293
Pass the witness.
691
00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:32,731
Stay safe, Ms. Morgan,
wherever you've gone.
692
00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:48,547
How are you feeling?
693
00:35:50,516 --> 00:35:53,552
If they ask me questions
about Duntsch's training,
694
00:35:53,619 --> 00:35:56,188
I can't promise you what I'm going to say.
695
00:35:58,223 --> 00:35:59,291
Yeah.
696
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:04,863
If we can't present our entire case,
697
00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:07,466
the good, bad, everything,
698
00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:10,335
if we can't lay it all out and still win,
699
00:36:10,402 --> 00:36:11,537
then we shouldn't win.
700
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,240
You take that call.
701
00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:16,842
Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec.
702
00:36:17,576 --> 00:36:18,777
Dr. Henderson.
703
00:36:20,445 --> 00:36:23,348
If they ask, answer how you want.
704
00:36:26,285 --> 00:36:27,319
Thank you.
705
00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,357
Yeah, I'm here.
706
00:36:57,382 --> 00:36:59,751
We asked you here
to give your opinion
707
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,955
on four different cases
the defendant performed.
708
00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:06,692
What surgery did the defendant
recommend for Jerry Summers?
709
00:37:06,758 --> 00:37:10,896
An anterior cervical fusion
at C3-4 and C4-5.
710
00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:14,466
What was the outcome
of Mr. Summer's surgery?
711
00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:17,235
He was rendered a quadriplegic.
712
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,672
Would you walk us through it?
713
00:37:20,739 --> 00:37:22,374
There was a lot of bleeding.
714
00:37:22,441 --> 00:37:23,809
-Suction.
-Suction.
715
00:37:25,844 --> 00:37:27,980
Sponge. Give me a sponge.
716
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:30,682
How many CCs were lost?
717
00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:34,720
A typical loss is somewhere
718
00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:37,289
between 25 and 200 CCs.
719
00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:40,626
Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs.
720
00:37:40,692 --> 00:37:43,862
What accounts
for that amount of blood loss?
721
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:45,964
Injuring a major structure.
722
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,265
Pituitary.
723
00:37:47,332 --> 00:37:50,469
He removed the disc
from C3-4 and C4-5,
724
00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:52,371
as he was supposed to do,
725
00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,472
and then he removed
726
00:37:53,538 --> 00:37:55,974
a tremendous amount of bone
on the left side.
727
00:37:57,542 --> 00:38:00,345
Over a third of the vertebral body.
728
00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:03,749
And in doing so,
he lacerated the vertebral artery.
729
00:38:08,353 --> 00:38:12,457
The defendant chose
to go back in for a second surgery.
730
00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,059
What procedure did he perform?
731
00:38:14,326 --> 00:38:15,527
Double action.
732
00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:19,631
A laminectomy in order
to relieve pressure on the spine.
733
00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:21,667
But by removing excessive bone
734
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:23,869
from both the front and the back,
735
00:38:23,935 --> 00:38:25,871
you're compromising the entire structure.
736
00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:28,306
In layman's terms?
737
00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:32,944
His head was barely attached to his spine.
738
00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:38,850
Let's move on
to Shelley Brennan.
739
00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:41,386
The surgery Duntsch recommended,
740
00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,755
was that a surgery
that would fix her issue?
741
00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:44,856
Yes.
742
00:38:44,923 --> 00:38:48,060
What was the outcome
of Mrs. Brennan's operation?
743
00:38:48,326 --> 00:38:49,428
She died.
744
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,330
Is that normal for this type of procedure?
745
00:38:52,397 --> 00:38:55,734
Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000.
746
00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:59,371
The pituitary rongeur went through
747
00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:02,474
the ligament in the front
and lacerated the iliac vessels
748
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:04,676
that lie directly on the side.
749
00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,779
-So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding?
-Heavily.
750
00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,514
Would there have been blood
751
00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:11,783
visible in the operative site?
752
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:13,085
Uh, sometimes, yes.
753
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,454
It doesn't appear
to have been the case here,
754
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,489
but they should have noticed
a drop in her blood pressure.
755
00:39:17,556 --> 00:39:22,527
Should a neurosurgeon know
that a drop in blood pressure
756
00:39:22,594 --> 00:39:24,496
means there's a bleed somewhere?
757
00:39:24,563 --> 00:39:27,833
It's a fundamental rule,
758
00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:29,434
but the likelihood of them
759
00:39:29,501 --> 00:39:32,404
being able to address the issue is small.
760
00:39:32,471 --> 00:39:35,407
They'd call in a vascular surgeon
for assistance.
761
00:39:36,141 --> 00:39:37,709
But he didn't do that.
762
00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:41,980
No.
763
00:39:43,615 --> 00:39:44,783
Dorothy Burke.
764
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:48,086
Mrs. Burke had a previous
anterior cervical fusion
765
00:39:48,153 --> 00:39:50,489
at C5-6 and C6-7
766
00:39:50,555 --> 00:39:53,058
that resolved her symptoms for a time,
767
00:39:53,125 --> 00:39:55,694
but she began experiencing
neck and shoulder pain
768
00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,530
that had nothing to do
with her prior surgery.
769
00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:02,400
Dr. Duntsch diagnosed
a disc protrusion at C4-5
770
00:40:02,467 --> 00:40:05,771
and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level.
771
00:40:05,837 --> 00:40:09,541
He sliced through
the vertebral artery again.
772
00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:20,051
We've been talking a lot
about the vertebral artery.
773
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:22,954
Is it common for it
to be hit during surgery?
774
00:40:23,021 --> 00:40:24,189
Exceptionally rare.
775
00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:26,525
-How many times have you hit it?
-Never.
776
00:40:26,591 --> 00:40:29,795
And what happened
to Mrs. Burke after her surgery?
777
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:31,663
Her heart rate elevated.
778
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:33,165
She couldn't open her eyes.
779
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,935
No verbal response
to questioning or commands.
780
00:40:37,002 --> 00:40:40,572
And what does that indicate
to anyone in the medical field?
781
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:43,642
An impending disaster.
782
00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:46,511
What should Mr. Duntsch have done
783
00:40:46,578 --> 00:40:48,880
as soon as he was informed
of that information?
784
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:51,149
Physically examine the patient.
785
00:40:51,216 --> 00:40:53,819
Order appropriate studies. Scans.
786
00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:56,054
They were ordered by the ICU physician,
787
00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:58,190
which showed she was brain dead.
788
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:05,697
Where was Dr. Duntsch?
789
00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:07,766
He was operating on Madeline Beyer.
790
00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:10,735
Had the defendant focused
on Dorothy Burke
791
00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:12,504
rather than Madeline Beyer,
792
00:41:12,571 --> 00:41:14,239
would she still be alive today?
793
00:41:14,506 --> 00:41:17,609
Based on what I know
of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery,
794
00:41:17,676 --> 00:41:20,245
Mrs. Burke was dead the moment
she agreed for him to operate.
795
00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:21,746
Objection.
796
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:22,881
Sustained.
797
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:26,918
Madeline Beyer?
798
00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:30,555
Mrs. Beyer is the reason
I'm sitting here today.
799
00:41:31,923 --> 00:41:35,227
I, I tried... to fix her.
800
00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:38,196
One of the screws
was violating the spinal canal,
801
00:41:38,263 --> 00:41:41,600
damaging dura and nerve roots.
802
00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:43,802
How do you know
when you've hit the dura?
803
00:41:43,869 --> 00:41:46,104
Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out.
804
00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:50,508
I found evidence of three
attempted screw placements
805
00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:53,578
on the left side where he put no screws.
806
00:41:55,146 --> 00:41:57,115
The most disturbing part was,
807
00:41:57,182 --> 00:42:00,552
the entire reason he was operating
808
00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:02,187
was to remove the disc,
809
00:42:02,254 --> 00:42:04,089
and he didn't touch it.
810
00:42:04,155 --> 00:42:05,857
What did he take out?
811
00:42:05,924 --> 00:42:08,660
A large piece of the psoas muscle.
812
00:42:09,127 --> 00:42:11,763
He made a portal through that muscle
813
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:14,199
and stuffed an implant in there.
814
00:42:14,266 --> 00:42:15,800
-Cage.
815
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:17,636
Is a trained neurosurgeon
816
00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:19,137
going to know the difference
817
00:42:19,204 --> 00:42:21,706
between bone and muscle?
818
00:42:21,773 --> 00:42:23,074
-Yes.
-Mallet.
819
00:42:23,141 --> 00:42:25,110
Would a trained
neurosurgeon know
820
00:42:25,176 --> 00:42:28,113
that by malpositioning
the interbody device,
821
00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:30,782
he was reasonably certain
to cause her injury?
822
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:32,017
Yes.
823
00:42:32,083 --> 00:42:34,552
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
824
00:42:34,619 --> 00:42:37,122
that if he malpositioned
the pedicle screws,
825
00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:38,890
he was reasonably certain
826
00:42:38,957 --> 00:42:40,926
to cause her serious bodily injury?
827
00:42:40,992 --> 00:42:42,294
Yes.
828
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,263
Would a trained neurosurgeon
have been aware
829
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:47,332
that if he amputated the nerve root,
830
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:48,800
he was reasonably certain
831
00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:51,102
to cause her serious bodily injury?
832
00:42:51,169 --> 00:42:52,337
Yes.
833
00:42:52,604 --> 00:42:54,940
The way the surgical tools
were used
834
00:42:55,006 --> 00:42:56,341
in Madeline Beyer's case,
835
00:42:56,608 --> 00:42:59,911
do you think they were used
in a manner that was capable
836
00:42:59,978 --> 00:43:02,714
of causing death or serious bodily injury?
837
00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:07,752
Yes.
838
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:10,288
We pass the witness.
839
00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,162
Dr. Henderson,
840
00:43:17,228 --> 00:43:19,631
Ms. Shughart made quite the point
841
00:43:19,698 --> 00:43:23,134
that a trained neurosurgeon
842
00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:24,936
should have done this or done that.
843
00:43:25,904 --> 00:43:29,341
You're aware Christopher
has both an MD and a PhD
844
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,209
from the University of Tennessee.
845
00:43:31,276 --> 00:43:32,310
I am.
846
00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:36,281
U.T. isn't some
fly-by-night medical school.
847
00:43:36,348 --> 00:43:40,285
It's not like one of those in,
in Guadalajara or Granada, is it?
848
00:43:40,352 --> 00:43:42,287
No, it's in Memphis.
849
00:43:42,354 --> 00:43:45,657
Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden?
850
00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:47,158
Does he have a good reputation?
851
00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:49,027
I do, and he does.
852
00:43:49,094 --> 00:43:50,962
And what was he responsible for
853
00:43:51,029 --> 00:43:52,998
in Christopher Duntsch's training?
854
00:43:53,064 --> 00:43:56,768
After Dr. Duntsch
finished his residency at U.T.,
855
00:43:56,835 --> 00:43:59,671
he came under the tutelage of Dr. Skadden
856
00:43:59,738 --> 00:44:00,872
for a fellowship training
857
00:44:00,939 --> 00:44:03,274
in minimally invasive spine surgery.
858
00:44:03,341 --> 00:44:05,777
Were you familiar
with the fact that Dr. Duntsch
859
00:44:05,844 --> 00:44:08,413
was doing medical cancer research
on the side
860
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,383
and that Dr. Skadden
was involved in that research?
861
00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:12,884
I wasn't at the time, no.
862
00:44:12,951 --> 00:44:16,688
Should any doctor under any circumstances
863
00:44:16,755 --> 00:44:21,092
have their surgical training hours
disrupted by research?
864
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:22,260
Absolutely not.
865
00:44:22,327 --> 00:44:25,430
So a neurosurgical resident or fellow
866
00:44:25,697 --> 00:44:27,832
can't just skip those hours.
867
00:44:27,899 --> 00:44:30,301
The supervisor has to sign off,
no matter the excuse.
868
00:44:30,368 --> 00:44:31,369
Correct.
869
00:44:31,436 --> 00:44:34,406
Do the doctors in charge
of the program have to sign off
870
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:36,141
that they're qualified to go and operate?
871
00:44:36,207 --> 00:44:37,275
Yes.
872
00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:39,444
Did Dr. Skadden write letters
873
00:44:39,711 --> 00:44:41,980
of recommendation for Dr. Duntsch?
874
00:44:42,047 --> 00:44:43,748
Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch
875
00:44:43,815 --> 00:44:47,085
was a satisfactory surgeon
in his fellowship.
876
00:44:47,152 --> 00:44:50,321
Well, had Dr. Skadden heard
what was happening in Texas?
877
00:44:50,388 --> 00:44:52,190
Yes, because he had mentioned
878
00:44:52,257 --> 00:44:54,459
poor outcomes at Baylor when filling out
879
00:44:54,726 --> 00:44:56,795
a credentialing form at Forest Park.
880
00:44:56,861 --> 00:44:59,731
Do you have any idea why he
wouldn't have explicitly told
881
00:44:59,798 --> 00:45:02,333
these hospitals not to hire Dr. Duntsch?
882
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,270
Dr. Skadden said that he had
to write recommendations
883
00:45:05,336 --> 00:45:08,073
based on what he'd witnessed
in his program.
884
00:45:08,139 --> 00:45:11,009
He couldn't speak to whatever
was happening in Texas.
885
00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:14,412
He didn't write any more recommendations
for Mr. Duntsch after we spoke.
886
00:45:14,479 --> 00:45:17,148
Has there ever been an instance
887
00:45:17,749 --> 00:45:22,187
in which a doctor was sued
for not writing a recommendation?
888
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:23,254
Yes.
889
00:45:24,422 --> 00:45:26,324
Well, that's frightening,
is it not?
890
00:45:26,858 --> 00:45:28,126
It is to me.
891
00:45:28,493 --> 00:45:31,129
So Skadden had to sign off on him,
892
00:45:31,196 --> 00:45:33,498
or he wouldn't have been able
to get their credentials?
893
00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:34,799
Correct.
894
00:45:34,866 --> 00:45:37,268
I mean, Baylor wouldn't let
somebody just walk in off the street,
895
00:45:37,335 --> 00:45:38,369
start doing neurosurgery.
896
00:45:38,436 --> 00:45:41,005
Well, I also assumed they would
have reported
897
00:45:41,072 --> 00:45:43,741
the outcomes of his surgeries
to the authorities.
898
00:45:43,808 --> 00:45:45,076
As a matter of fact,
899
00:45:45,143 --> 00:45:48,379
they didn't say anything negative
to anybody.
900
00:45:49,481 --> 00:45:52,851
Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker.
901
00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:56,921
Do you think the corporate level
of the hospital
902
00:45:56,988 --> 00:45:59,524
was more interested in making money
903
00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:02,060
than in protecting their patients?
904
00:46:11,836 --> 00:46:14,005
Yes, I do.
905
00:46:14,072 --> 00:46:17,509
I think everyone was
more interested in making money
906
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:19,144
and protecting themselves
907
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,779
rather than protecting their patients.
908
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:28,520
Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson.
909
00:46:29,821 --> 00:46:31,055
No more questions.
910
00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:33,791
I'd like to add something.
911
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,327
Redirect.
912
00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:39,197
Anything you'd like to add?
913
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:44,102
Everyone knows the first tenet
914
00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:48,039
of the "Hippocratic Oath",
"First, do no harm".
915
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:51,342
But there are others.
916
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:55,446
"I will respect
the hard-won scientific gains
917
00:46:55,513 --> 00:46:58,850
of the physicians
in whose steps I've walked."
918
00:46:59,450 --> 00:47:00,518
He did not.
919
00:47:01,186 --> 00:47:03,922
"I will apply,
for the benefit of the sick,
920
00:47:03,988 --> 00:47:05,857
all majors which are required,
921
00:47:05,924 --> 00:47:08,993
avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment
922
00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:11,563
and therapeutic nihilism."
923
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:12,897
He did not.
924
00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:16,267
"I will not be ashamed to say I know not,
925
00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:18,836
nor will I fail to call them my colleagues
926
00:47:18,903 --> 00:47:21,172
when the skills of another are needed
927
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,041
for a patient's recovery."
928
00:47:24,876 --> 00:47:26,010
He did not.
929
00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:32,884
Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries
930
00:47:32,951 --> 00:47:34,552
in the manner that he performed them,
931
00:47:34,619 --> 00:47:36,854
I never would have allowed myself
932
00:47:36,921 --> 00:47:39,490
into an operating room again.
933
00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:42,560
Any one of them.
934
00:47:45,263 --> 00:47:46,598
Not ever again.
935
00:47:59,611 --> 00:48:04,249
The State flooded you
with every possible patient they could,
936
00:48:04,315 --> 00:48:08,253
but Madeline Beyer's case
is the case the State chose
937
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,289
to go to trial on, so let's focus there.
938
00:48:11,356 --> 00:48:14,459
Now, according to the state,
Dr. Duntsch didn't head
939
00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:17,328
into Madeline Beyer's surgery to fix her.
940
00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,497
He wanted to hurt her,
941
00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:22,100
but that's not what the evidence shows.
942
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:24,369
The evidence shows he was
943
00:48:24,435 --> 00:48:27,538
a suboptimal surgeon.
944
00:48:28,439 --> 00:48:31,009
Now, are we trying to blame the hospitals?
945
00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:33,311
No. Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden?
946
00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:36,114
No, but the State asked
time and time again,
947
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:40,151
what would a well-trained surgeon do?
948
00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:42,253
I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you?
949
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,922
He got on the phone,
called Skadden, and said,
950
00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:46,624
"Hey, we got this guy here.
951
00:48:46,691 --> 00:48:49,427
It says he graduated
from your medical school,
952
00:48:49,494 --> 00:48:50,995
went to your fellowship,
953
00:48:51,062 --> 00:48:53,398
and I need you to stop recommending him."
954
00:48:53,464 --> 00:48:54,599
And Skadden replied,
955
00:48:54,666 --> 00:48:58,303
"Yes, he did train at my fellowship.
956
00:48:58,369 --> 00:49:00,238
But I don't know what to do."
957
00:49:01,172 --> 00:49:03,141
Because Skadden has figured out,
958
00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:06,577
"I screwed up. I let him out."
959
00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:08,212
I mean, Jerry Summers told you,
960
00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:10,715
he let him out of surgeries
961
00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:13,351
in order to do research.
962
00:49:13,418 --> 00:49:17,021
Now, you don't get to punish Dr. Skadden.
963
00:49:17,088 --> 00:49:18,723
You don't get to punish Baylor.
964
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,125
You don't get to punish Dallas Medical,
965
00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:24,462
but you have the right to know
what they didn't do.
966
00:49:24,529 --> 00:49:26,564
They didn't report him.
967
00:49:27,632 --> 00:49:29,300
They didn't challenge him.
968
00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:31,569
They didn't tell him that he was
969
00:49:31,636 --> 00:49:36,074
a suboptimal surgeon
who needs to find other work.
970
00:49:36,541 --> 00:49:39,544
If you're a teacher
and the children don't do well,
971
00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:43,448
your principal tells you
you're a suboptimal teacher.
972
00:49:43,514 --> 00:49:45,083
If you're a mechanic
973
00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:47,585
and the cars you're working on
keep breaking down,
974
00:49:47,652 --> 00:49:50,421
you're told you're a suboptimal mechanic.
975
00:49:50,488 --> 00:49:53,491
If you're a pilot and you can't land,
976
00:49:54,692 --> 00:49:57,195
well, you're told
you can't do this anymore.
977
00:49:58,429 --> 00:50:00,264
Well, Baylor does the opposite.
978
00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:04,235
They allow him to resign.
979
00:50:04,302 --> 00:50:07,205
And then they send a clearing letter
to Dallas Medical,
980
00:50:07,271 --> 00:50:09,574
who hires him and then watches
981
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,610
as three surgeries in as many days go bad.
982
00:50:12,677 --> 00:50:13,711
And what do they do?
983
00:50:14,612 --> 00:50:15,680
Nothing.
984
00:50:17,515 --> 00:50:21,552
They don't report him
to the National Practitioner's Data Bank
985
00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:23,354
or the Texas Medical Board.
986
00:50:23,421 --> 00:50:24,555
They allow this
987
00:50:24,622 --> 00:50:28,526
poorly-trained suboptimal surgeon
988
00:50:28,593 --> 00:50:30,061
to move on.
989
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,533
The system broke down
from the very beginning.
990
00:50:37,435 --> 00:50:40,204
Now, I don't envy your jobs.
991
00:50:40,271 --> 00:50:42,140
Both sides have their own perceptions
992
00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:44,175
of, of what happened,
993
00:50:44,242 --> 00:50:47,578
but you're the sole judges of the facts.
994
00:50:48,246 --> 00:50:50,715
Render your verdict according to the law,
995
00:50:50,782 --> 00:50:52,650
not according to emotions
996
00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:55,420
or sympathies or sending a message.
997
00:50:55,486 --> 00:50:58,222
It's about whether or not
the State has proven to you
998
00:50:58,289 --> 00:51:01,325
that a crime was committed.
999
00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:03,694
It was a failure.
1000
00:51:05,563 --> 00:51:08,766
It was a human failure,
1001
00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:12,103
a systemic failure,
1002
00:51:14,705 --> 00:51:16,574
but it wasn't a crime.
1003
00:51:18,709 --> 00:51:21,846
On July 25th, 2012,
1004
00:51:22,113 --> 00:51:25,416
Christopher Duntsch went into
surgery with Madeline Beyer,
1005
00:51:25,483 --> 00:51:27,351
an elderly individual.
1006
00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:29,120
He crippled her.
1007
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,691
Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled.
1008
00:51:33,758 --> 00:51:35,693
Nerves shredded.
1009
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,196
Leaking dural sacs.
1010
00:51:38,262 --> 00:51:40,598
Muscles hacked into.
1011
00:51:40,665 --> 00:51:42,266
These things happened.
1012
00:51:43,167 --> 00:51:45,603
But was it intentional?
1013
00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:48,573
How do you know what he intended?
1014
00:51:49,707 --> 00:51:54,378
You look at what he does
before, during, and after.
1015
00:51:55,413 --> 00:51:58,883
He lied, about "this is normal pain."
1016
00:51:59,150 --> 00:52:00,651
"This is something new."
1017
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:03,120
"I didn't do this to you."
1018
00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:05,723
"It's simply swelling, Jerry."
1019
00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:08,159
"Surgery went fine, Madeline."
1020
00:52:08,226 --> 00:52:10,495
"It's the surgical team's fault."
1021
00:52:10,561 --> 00:52:14,799
"Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold."
1022
00:52:17,869 --> 00:52:19,303
Look at them.
1023
00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:24,876
Look at the faces
of the lives that were ruined.
1024
00:52:25,543 --> 00:52:28,446
We didn't bring them to you
to have you convict him
1025
00:52:28,513 --> 00:52:30,581
based on sympathy.
1026
00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,518
We bring them to you so that you can know
1027
00:52:33,584 --> 00:52:36,287
everything the defendant knew.
1028
00:52:36,821 --> 00:52:39,290
How many patients should it take
1029
00:52:39,357 --> 00:52:43,261
before you know that what
you're doing is hurting people?
1030
00:52:44,795 --> 00:52:45,830
One...
1031
00:52:47,532 --> 00:52:48,566
two...
1032
00:52:50,535 --> 00:52:51,636
three?
1033
00:52:52,236 --> 00:52:55,773
You make your best friend a quadriplegic?
1034
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,441
Four, you kill?
1035
00:52:58,175 --> 00:52:59,610
Five, you kill?
1036
00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:02,914
Should I list all 33?
1037
00:53:03,314 --> 00:53:05,650
I want to call them tragedies,
1038
00:53:06,317 --> 00:53:09,687
but that implies no one
could have seen them coming.
1039
00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:12,657
These were assaults.
1040
00:53:14,225 --> 00:53:16,961
We're here talking about Madeline Beyer.
1041
00:53:17,862 --> 00:53:19,664
I know you don't have a doubt
1042
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:21,499
that when Christopher Duntsch
1043
00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:23,434
went into Madeline Beyer's surgery,
1044
00:53:23,501 --> 00:53:27,271
he was reasonably certain
he was going to hurt her.
1045
00:53:28,406 --> 00:53:30,274
That's the standard of knowing.
1046
00:53:30,341 --> 00:53:33,611
Not that you know 100%,
1047
00:53:33,678 --> 00:53:35,780
but that you're reasonably certain.
1048
00:53:36,814 --> 00:53:40,985
The defense is implying
it was his training.
1049
00:53:41,252 --> 00:53:43,554
He was trained for 17 years
1050
00:53:43,621 --> 00:53:45,690
prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer.
1051
00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:48,593
Trained at the University of Tennessee.
1052
00:53:48,659 --> 00:53:50,595
Trained at Semmes-Murphey.
1053
00:53:50,661 --> 00:53:52,630
Institutions with doctors
1054
00:53:52,697 --> 00:53:55,666
who would not put
their reputations on the line
1055
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,603
by recommending a poorly trained surgeon.
1056
00:54:02,673 --> 00:54:04,408
Don't blame his training.
1057
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:06,877
Blame him.
1058
00:54:07,511 --> 00:54:09,614
Don't blame the system.
1059
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,315
Blame him.
1060
00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:14,785
He went into all those operations.
1061
00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:19,957
He put the scalpels
to those patients' backs.
1062
00:54:20,024 --> 00:54:22,693
He kept going.
1063
00:54:23,694 --> 00:54:25,396
All these people.
1064
00:54:26,998 --> 00:54:28,933
If you're a human
1065
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,901
who values life,
1066
00:54:30,968 --> 00:54:32,703
who understands suffering...
1067
00:54:34,338 --> 00:54:36,607
You heard Dr. Henderson.
1068
00:54:36,674 --> 00:54:39,410
One botched surgery, just one,
1069
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:44,048
and he never would have entered
the operating room ever again.
1070
00:54:45,616 --> 00:54:47,585
If you don't stop him,
1071
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,023
Christopher Duntsch
will leave this courthouse,
1072
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:55,860
leave this city, this state,
1073
00:54:56,627 --> 00:54:58,462
maybe even this country,
1074
00:54:59,897 --> 00:55:02,633
and he will find a corner of the world
1075
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,871
that allows him
to continue hurting people.
1076
00:55:10,007 --> 00:55:13,511
Only you can tell him no more.
1077
00:55:22,453 --> 00:55:24,055
They don't understand.
1078
00:55:25,856 --> 00:55:28,392
All I wanna do is go back to my research.
1079
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,028
You gotta tell 'em, Dad.
1080
00:55:31,095 --> 00:55:34,365
I will never practice surgery again.
1081
00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:37,435
If they let me, uh, I can still do good.
1082
00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:39,336
-I can still help.
-Just stop.
1083
00:55:39,403 --> 00:55:40,438
Okay?
1084
00:55:41,038 --> 00:55:42,973
It's time to stop.
1085
00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:53,718
We had these hardwood floors
when you were little.
1086
00:55:55,619 --> 00:55:58,856
Active, always active.
1087
00:55:58,923 --> 00:56:00,424
So energetic.
1088
00:56:01,625 --> 00:56:02,960
You were so strong.
1089
00:56:03,794 --> 00:56:07,498
You would push the furniture
around across these floors.
1090
00:56:09,066 --> 00:56:11,969
You never played with toys.
It was always the furniture.
1091
00:56:13,704 --> 00:56:15,840
And how many times did I ask you
1092
00:56:15,906 --> 00:56:17,908
to stop it with the furniture?
1093
00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:21,445
But you wouldn't stop.
1094
00:56:23,547 --> 00:56:25,082
You wouldn't stop.
1095
00:56:28,919 --> 00:56:33,691
Maybe jail's the best thing
for you, my boy.
1096
00:56:40,831 --> 00:56:42,900
You were less dull than
I thought you'd be.
1097
00:56:46,003 --> 00:56:47,705
You're too kind, Randy.
1098
00:56:48,472 --> 00:56:51,842
Probably blown the whole case,
but, uh, nice job.
1099
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,015
We could have done more.
1100
00:56:58,082 --> 00:56:59,617
We should have done it more.
1101
00:57:00,684 --> 00:57:02,720
This is gonna happen again, you know.
1102
00:57:03,721 --> 00:57:05,689
Suppose we could do something.
1103
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:08,058
I suppose we should.
1104
00:57:09,627 --> 00:57:10,928
Jury's back.
1105
00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,098
All right, well,
we got time for some hoops.
1106
00:57:14,165 --> 00:57:15,833
-I wish.
1107
00:57:16,801 --> 00:57:18,102
We gonna win?
1108
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:26,644
I don't know.
1109
00:57:33,884 --> 00:57:35,119
I'm sorry.
1110
00:57:37,788 --> 00:57:39,023
You did great.
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