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The Dance of the Dragons
is fully kicked off.
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Everything just feels like it's times 10.
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It's like we grew the town.
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Well, Ryan said to me at one time,
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"It's much more 'Games of Thrones-y'."
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What am I allowed to say?
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I've never eaten so much Manchego.
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It gets messy.
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It's good to be back in the saddle.
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Okay, guys, we're rolling sound.
Please be quiet.
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And action!
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It's a bit of a dance, this.
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-What the hell?
-Well...
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It's gonna get hot.
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It was wonderful to see everyone.
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Nice to be back on set,
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to be aiming for something
that's bigger and better.
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Feels good, you know?
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I work with such amazing
and beautiful people.
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This is the best cast
that I've worked with.
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We're all such a unit.
I love them so much.
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-Is this BTS?
-Yes.
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Hi. Welcome.
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First day back was like that summer
when you leave school
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and then you come back
and all the boys have got, like,
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trousers that don't fit properly anymore,
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and all the girls are,
like, a foot taller.
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Just exactly like being in "Harry Potter."
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And it is your second year at school
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and you've got a better wand.
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It wasn't as if we'd been away, really.
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It felt kind of like we'd had
a couple of weeks off.
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It's like ya never left.
You know, it's like coming home.
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'Cause you walk and you go,
"Yeah, this is my house.
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I know this place."
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Felt like a long time coming.
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It's been great to be back with the gang.
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This is genuinely my favorite cast
I've ever worked with.
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The scale of season two has been
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above and beyond
my expectations, at least.
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Everything about it is massive.
It's like this room is massive.
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There's nothing in it that's small
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apart from some nuanced acting,
which is nice and small.
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Your imagination almost doesn't allow you
to think a set could be this big.
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It's bigger, it's badder.
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We've got more dragons.
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We've just taken it
to a 10 in every department.
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Dragon!
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Yeah. It's massive.
We had two main units.
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So you're shooting two movies,
every day, all at the same time.
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It's very similar to a big film,
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but the fundamental difference
is there are five directors.
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We've made the slightly crazy
but efficient choice
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to block shoot the entire season,
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which means we have two units
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shooting continuously,
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five different directing teams,
four different DPs.
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And that's how we started.
Then, now, we've got two units,
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plus a splinter unit,
plus an elements unit,
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and sometimes, units are splitting
into two to accomplish more things.
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My brain would short out and I would
just give up trying to grasp it all.
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It's huge and it's just
the level and the scale of the sets,
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the number of crew, the catering figures.
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There's no one unit
that seems to be having a easy time of it.
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For me, it's script beget plan,
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beget schedule, beget budget.
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When you work that system
and you have a collective,
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everybody is putting
every minute of every day
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into improving that narrative.
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As a director, you're not quite sure
what you're going to be handed,
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and you look for the things
and find the things
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that you know are gonna
be personally satisfying.
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And I got to go back to Winterfell.
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I didn't really ask why
'cause I was so happy to do it
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that I just went with it.
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Hearing that music and seeing Winterfell
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be revealed over the mountains
and then going to the Wall,
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it's hard not to get emotional,
even as a salty, old veteran like me.
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Walking on the Wall,
being surrounded by Starks,
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that was one of the best moments.
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It's such an iconic part
of this whole world.
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We definitely wanted
to be faithful to the look
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that had been established there,
but there are differences as well.
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Like, the grade for "House of the Dragon"
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is quite different to the grade
for "Game of Thrones,"
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but you still want the fans to
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get that little buzz of excitement as well
that we get from shooting it again.
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We definitely did not want
to reinvent the wheel
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with the Wall and Winterfell.
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That was such a sort of fond
memory for all the audience.
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We've tried to do justice to it
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and bring it back as they remember it.
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So it had to have that
"Game of Thrones" look,
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and we went back to see how they did it
and get that feel as closely as we could.
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That was necessary to hold within
the scriptures, if you like.
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Quite a part of that set,
actually, is digital,
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so we'd done all of those
drawings prior to shooting.
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The whole opening was
really heavily previs'd.
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You know, it's a huge wall.
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You need to make sure that
we kinda get a sense of that.
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And we do have some assets
that have been kept
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from "Game of Thrones"
that we can work with,
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but, of course,
you always develop on them.
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Visual effects moves quite quickly.
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There was the backlot set,
which is up on top of the Wall.
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It's so cleverly built,
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that most of what we're
seeing is just the sky
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until you go out on
the kind of outlook pieces
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and then that becomes our world.
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It's a pretty contained set
once we're in it,
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from a dramatic point of view.
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You know, we're adding the Northern view,
which, you know, we all love and fear.
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What does it keep out?
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Death.
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To get it right was important,
so we used all the references
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that we could from the original build.
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We thought we'd try
and give it what it deserved
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in givin' it an icy feel to it,
which we did with wax.
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It's amazing how much fake snow and stuff
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can really make you
get in the mood for it.
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There was a couple of times
where me and Tom,
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who plays Cregan,
were trying to do our lines
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and, you know, you just get
a couple of snow up the nose
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'cause it's just snow everywhere.
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I wanted my snow to be a little bit whiter
because their wall is older.
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So, I wanted it to be newer.
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You have to stipulate like,
"I want icicles,
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I want bit there and a bit there,"
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and you go down
and tweak it durin' the day.
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And then we will dress it with, like--
make it sparkly and all that kinda stuff.
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What we have on the van there is
a Krendl that's an agitator.
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So we put the product in there,
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the agitator kinda
breaks it up and stuff for us.
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Got a water tank
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that pumps the water down
to this nozzle here.
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Paper will come through then as well.
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Test the water.
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Good.
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So we got a 300-liter drum,
tanks there as well that we use, so.
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I'll probably use one or two of them,
depending on how big the dress is.
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The main changes really
have been different people
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have moved into different spaces
with the change of regime.
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There was a thinking in how
we distribute those apartments.
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Obviously, when Helaena became the Queen,
she would inherit the Queen's apartments.
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When it was Alicent's reign,
it was quite monastic
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and minimal to support her character.
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And now, Helaena,
who is much more dreamlike
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and of the natural world,
has actually scrawled
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what we could respectfully
call "graffiti" on the walls
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to illustrate her thoughts,
her thinking process.
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Just as any writer or artist
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might make notes in a book
or a sketchbook.
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Helaena sees and perceives
the world in a different way
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and cultivates different things
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out of day-to-day interaction
than perhaps you and I would.
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She has graffitied her walls
with her dreams,
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and we think it really imbued the place
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with a great deal of character for her.
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Helaena was fantastic.
Her character was engaging.
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You know, the fact that her anxiety
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and her walls of graffiti and graphics
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sort of exposes the life
that she's going through
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and her only way of escapism.
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I introduced these
really beautiful cabinets,
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which I bought in India, actually,
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they were high up
in this kind of, like, room
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that I wasn't allowed to go to,
covered in dust and dirt.
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And the people were saying,
"You can't go up there."
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And I was like, "I've spotted four
of these cabinets, and I want them."
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When you tilt them open,
they're really pretty
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with all the lovely
butterflies and insects.
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Just so many insects.
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I got to work with these crickets
in these little wooden cages.
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They were making quite
a few escapes, actually,
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which was quite fun.
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Just loads of embroidery,
like, so many spiders and owls and bats
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and kind of just
creepy, cool Helaena things.
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We had this dilemma,
well, where do we place Alicent?
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And it seemed that there
was a kind of nice irony
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that she would end up
in Rhaenyra's apartment.
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Interesting scene as that's where
Rhaenyra lost her virginity.
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And then that's where
she's having sex with Cole.
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They both had sex with Cole
in the same room.
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Sweet irony.
It's all very, very messy.
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The Red Keep is a very incestuous place.
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The Princess Rhaenyra
is brazen and relentless,
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a spider who stings
and sucks her prey dry.
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We changed a little bit of the furniture,
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but we wanted it to be apparent
there was a constant memory
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of Rhaenyra being in this room,
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so we kept the architecture
and the position of furniture.
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In Aegon's apartment,
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we decided that that would
pretty much stay the same.
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He wasn't the man who was interested
in decoration or furniture,
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so he just moved in.
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Gone are all the histories and books
because Aegon thinks he doesn't need that.
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Him wearing the crown
is enough for him to rule.
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There is a new sheriff in town,
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and Aegon's reign as king
is very different than Viserys,
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and the way that Viserys obsessed about
history and legacy
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is not something that is on Aegon's mind.
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-Your Grace.
-Good day.
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Because, in the Council Chamber,
most of the camera angles
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are looking towards the big window,
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looking out across the view,
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we ended up, first season,
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with a lot of visual effects,
which, obviously, is very costly,
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so we decided to go
a slightly old-fashioned route
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and put a scenically painted
backing in there
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by this brilliant artist
called Steve Mitchell.
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And if you go right up close to it,
it seems to be just a blur of splodges.
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And then when you step back
to where the camera is,
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it just comes into focus
as a view across King's Landing.
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It's a technique that's
been used for many years,
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and it's persuading people
that it's still a good way
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to do a in-camera view out of a window.
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A lot of times in the series,
we're looking at maps as top shots
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looking down at the table,
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and often, because of that,
they don't get serviced, in a way.
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We just thought it was
interesting to see the map
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in a y-axis space versus an x-axis space.
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So it was just a more interesting
visual way to dramatize the war
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and got people up and moving around a bit.
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Those council sessions
can be challenging to shoot
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because everybody's
sitting down, sipping wine.
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I was trying to pitch that the map that
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Otto Hightower brings
in the Small Council Chamber
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is something that sits on the table
and is potentially being put together
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as, like, pieces of ivory.
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And the first time I showed it to Ryan,
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his initial reaction was, "Yes, I love it,
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but, please, can you make it
like World War II map?"
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We've had our concept artist working on
making it a standing-up map.
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All of these areas of Westeros
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are gonna be split into
separate sets of ivory based on, like,
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the geographical elements of Westeros.
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They expect to march quickly,
meeting little resistance until they reach
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the Riverlands.
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We just talked a little bit,
the early days of design,
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had a little input, and then she did
a beautiful job of evolving that
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and made it into
the stunning piece that it is.
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It's an amazing bit of dressing.
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It's an amazing action prop
is what it actually is,
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biggest one that Ellie
or I have been involved in.
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Logistically, there's a lotta times
it has to move
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and there's a lotta manpower
involved in doin' it.
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It was a lump.
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It was made for real
and it was very heavy.
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The Red Keep had a 400% extension.
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The general consensus was,
from legacy players,
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the courtyard was small.
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The number of scenes, season one
didn't justify that scale of build,
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so this season, we've been able to do it
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and it links directly into
the King's Landing streets,
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which we had done digitally last year.
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And it's really given scale and depth
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to that run of street.
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One of the magical things about Jim's sets
is that once you're on them,
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you can forget you're on a set.
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You can walk around for a good 10 minutes
before you see a scaffolding tube.
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It makes it possible to do so much
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without mounting the incredible costs
that come along with filming on location.
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So far, we've done
our King's Landing scenes
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in a beautiful medieval town
in Spain called Cáceres.
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The problem with shooting
in beautiful cities
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like Cáceres and Trujillo
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is these are World Heritage Sites,
so you can't throw horse crap
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and mud all over the street
and set things on fire.
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If you wanna do that kind of thing,
you have to build your set.
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So, what we did this year is we expanded
our King's Landing backlot set.
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Nice.
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It had been my ambition on this season
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to build part of King's Landing,
so the point was to make it
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seamlessly connect to the real place.
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Hopefully, we've done that
with the look and the style.
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I'm told you bear
a mislike for the Hightowers.
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Fuck the Hightowers.
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The boldest thing that
I think we did there
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was decide to give the last
10 minutes of the episode
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over to these two characters
that we had never met before.
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Knowing that you're watching
"Game of Thrones"
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and you don't know what
is going to come from you,
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from where, hopefully, is the fun
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and the horror for the audience
that's yet to come.
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I was also given to understand
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that you possess a unique
knowledge of the Red Keep.
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Maegor's tunnels.
Great big rat's nest, it is.
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I know them better than
the shape of my own co--
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We have all these monumental sets.
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We have Dragonstone,
we've got the Red Keep,
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and we've got Driftmark.
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But the most intense reaction
the crew had to a set
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was when we shot the sewer
for "Blood and Cheese."
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I'd never really thought
about Maegor's tunnels,
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but we had to explore them,
we had to represent them.
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Jim Clay did an amazing job
of building some mini sets,
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and then sort of incorporating
into the larger set of the Red Keep.
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It's always great to do
a sewer for an art department.
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Mike Dawson put in the water
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and it was absolutely flowing
like a mad river.
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The sewer is probably my favorite set,
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my easiest set,
the prettiest set, I think.
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I know it's a sewer.
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We wanna delay
that first fluid dump, mate,
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just until they're
slightly deeper in there.
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We didn't get much of a brief on that.
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They were just plowing
through the water and I thought,
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"I'm gonna go to town on this."
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They're all mad men.
It was incredible and kind of horrible.
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A medieval sewer.
I can imagine better places to spend time.
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We were like, "How are we gonna build
this tank effectively,
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quickly, portable?"
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So, we ended up buying
these concrete blocks that slot together
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and we built up a wall around it.
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We designed it so that
we had big pumps on one end
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makin' a flow down through the canal.
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And then I put in tip tanks, so it looks
like people are flushing water down.
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And there was multiple layers,
so you get, like, cascades.
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Then we opened it up for Malcolm
to come in with all these guys,
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and they built on top of it.
We didn't have one single leak.
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Which is very unusual
for any tank anywhere.
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That's massive, fully functioning pumps
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in there turnin' the water around.
It actually recycled water.
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They brought the tank in,
then we built the set inside
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using the tunnel from season one
with the water.
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The way the special effects
done their side of it,
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it looked fantastic.
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I remember turning it on
for the first time
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and everything was working
really, really good.
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And I thought,
"I'm gonna get a gold star here."
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I called Alan up and said,
"Would you like to come and see it?"
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And he just walked in. He went, "Ooh..."
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And that was good.
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And then, the production office
rang me up and they said,
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"Can we come and see the sewer set?"
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So we was turning it on
for, like, a guided tour.
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I think we were taking more people in it
than the "Harry Potter" tour at one point.
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I was really thrilled.
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We're shooting right here
for the sewer entrance.
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I mean, when they said,
"You're in a sewer,"
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I thought, "Okay, I'm gonna be up to here
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"in a swimming pool,
and there'll be green screens
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all around me, and they'll get it done."
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And then I get there,
and they've built a sewer.
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The water's waist-high,
carrying a dog and a torch.
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It's like, we're in a hangar
20 minutes from where I live.
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And here I am at the Red Keep.
Yeah. It's just-- It's bonkers.
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Okay, send the water, please, Tommy.
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I think PJ was excited
about doing these big spaces
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lit only by a torch.
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You know, we all watched
"The Third Man" again
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'cause anybody who shoots in a tunnel
has to go back and watch "The Third Man."
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It was great imagery, I think.
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That was a lot of fun.
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We got to chase these two guys,
follow these two guys,
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lead these two guys
through all these spaces,
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tramping through a sewer
with running sewer water
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and see parts of the Red Keep
we'd never seen before.
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It's just a DP's dream.
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The design team on this
have just surpassed themselves.
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We rarely double up on angles
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because of the opportunities
this set gives us.
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Because their mission is about subterfuge.
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They're trying to be secret,
but, obviously, the castle is dark
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and the space they're going through
is dark, so they're carrying the torch.
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The interplay of the firelight
bouncing off walls
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makes it really magical.
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I really wanted to lean into that,
so we kept the lighting of the set itself
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to a bare minimum,
so that as they move through spaces,
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you had a sense that you
were moving through the space.
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You never had a sense that you knew
where they were heading.
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You were discovering where they were going
as they discovered it.
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In terms of getting into character,
you don't really have to do very much.
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I don't have to say to myself,
"Okay, you're in a castle.
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Deliver--" Like, all that's done.
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We need to get our head and get out.
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We had to just not think of it as, like,
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we're going into film the most,
like, horrifying thing.
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Another heartwarming moment
from George R. R. Martin, everybody.
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This shot involved
a lot of different methods
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of moving the camera,
going backwards at speed,
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up and down stairs, spinning around,
trying to capture the performance
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from fear at the same time.
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Yeah, this certainly had its challenges.
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And by the time we come around,
we want him to be that--
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that far away from us.
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So she's going faster and faster.
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So when we come around, she's, you know--
we're seeing her head to toe there.
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She's-- We're-- She's getting--
She's going faster than us.
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-Yes.
-And we want it to be believable.
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Then when we come around here
and she's that far away from us.
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Yeah.
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SFX did an amazing job
making it look very atmospheric
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with all the rain
and the wind inside the stage.
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We got 10,000 liters
of water sittin' outside,
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ready to pump into the stage.
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We have to make sure that the landing area
for the water is sealed.
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We've got a membrane down,
we've got some sort of management
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so we can get some pumps in.
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And then, ultimately, it just
comes down to a lotta squeegees,
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a lotta labor, and some pumps
just pumpin' it out the door.
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It's a small piece of a large puzzle.
I think it's gonna look epic.
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That journey at the end of episode one,
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it's my hope that that
kind of lives in infamy
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through "House of the Dragon"
and its legacy.
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