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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 891 01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:28,122 One day he comes home and says, 892 01:09:28,206 --> 01:09:29,957 "Can't bring that stuff home no more." 893 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:31,793 "Why?" Won't tell me. 894 01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:34,337 Then he'd get sick for weeks. 895 01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,215 The Teflon flu, the guys would call it. 896 01:09:37,965 --> 01:09:40,093 We knew something wasn't right. 897 01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,429 But this house, we bought it just by 898 01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:46,599 showing the bank my husband's DuPont ID. 899 01:09:46,683 --> 01:09:49,977 Put both our kids through college. Engineers. 900 01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:54,315 In this town, that doesn't come without a price. 901 01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:57,360 My brother Kenny didn't know that price. 902 01:09:57,527 --> 01:09:59,570 He joined DuPont at 19. 903 01:09:59,654 --> 01:10:01,989 Died on the operating table two years later. 904 01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,535 - Ulcerative colitis. - Just like Dan Schiller had. 905 01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:06,911 Who's Dan? 906 01:10:07,078 --> 01:10:09,706 A chemist at DuPont. Worked with my ex-husband. 907 01:10:10,164 --> 01:10:12,917 And Roger, what's his name? 908 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,502 Wilkins, the foreman. 909 01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:16,879 Steven Gellar. Randy Field. 910 01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:19,590 Randy's was kidney cancer. He survived. 911 01:10:19,674 --> 01:10:22,218 - His wife didn't. - No, June's was thyroid. 912 01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:23,886 It was supposed to be treatable. 913 01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,596 They didn't catch it in time. 914 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,932 But they caught it in their son. 915 01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:32,061 Were your children born healthy? 916 01:10:32,145 --> 01:10:34,188 - Yes. Yes, they were. - Good. 917 01:10:34,355 --> 01:10:38,276 But we wanted a third and couldn't. 918 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,569 I went to my doctor. 919 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,363 He says, "You need a hysterectomy. You need it right away." 920 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,408 I'm so sorry. 921 01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,076 Bad luck, I guess. 922 01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:50,163 I was 36. 923 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:52,790 Mr. Kiger, 924 01:10:52,874 --> 01:10:55,084 you think I could get a copy of that letter? 925 01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:09,557 What's wrong with your hand? 926 01:11:09,932 --> 01:11:12,101 Nothing. It's fine. 927 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,983 Whoa, Rob? 928 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,820 Rob, what are you doing? 929 01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:27,033 I mean, it's not enough to poison these people? 930 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,534 They gotta swindle them too? 931 01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:30,161 Okay, calm down. All right? 932 01:11:30,244 --> 01:11:31,954 DuPont wrote that letter! 933 01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:33,998 - Not the water authority. - How do you know that? 934 01:11:34,081 --> 01:11:36,709 You think I don't know what a DuPont letter looks like by now? 935 01:11:36,793 --> 01:11:38,127 Okay. Okay. 936 01:11:38,586 --> 01:11:39,754 I mean, Jesus! 937 01:11:39,837 --> 01:11:41,547 It's evil, Sarah. 938 01:11:41,631 --> 01:11:43,591 It's fucking evil! 939 01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,843 What's fack? 940 01:11:46,761 --> 01:11:47,887 Perfect. 941 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,722 It's nothing, sweetie. It's nothing. Oh, boy. 942 01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:51,474 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, honey. 943 01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:52,934 Can you give Charlie the bottle, please? 944 01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:55,561 - Where's his bottle? - It's in the bag. 945 01:11:55,645 --> 01:11:57,897 - What is all this? - It's from Grammer's. 946 01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:00,358 It was left in her mailbox. 947 01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:02,902 - "Medical claims, now and forever"? - Here, bud. 948 01:12:02,985 --> 01:12:04,445 - "Now and forever." - Is that that... 949 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:05,613 That... 950 01:12:06,364 --> 01:12:08,366 Medical monitoring. Is that... 951 01:12:10,034 --> 01:12:12,453 I thought you said that wasn't gonna pass? 952 01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,583 - Morning. - Guys. 953 01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,926 Our lead plaintiff is Mr. Joe Kiger. 954 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,596 Potential plaintiff, if the partnership approves. 955 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,015 Mr. Joe Kiger, a Phys Ed teacher 956 01:12:33,099 --> 01:12:35,226 from Parkersburg, West Virginia. 957 01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:39,814 On behalf of the 70,000 local residents, 958 01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,775 whose water DuPont knowingly poisoned 959 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,193 for the last 40 years. 960 01:12:44,277 --> 01:12:45,278 A class action? 961 01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:46,529 Let him finish. 962 01:12:46,612 --> 01:12:48,364 The Kigers were notified 963 01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:51,784 by their local water company that DuPont had found 964 01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:55,663 small concentrations of C-8 in their water supply, 965 01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,206 but not to worry 966 01:12:57,290 --> 01:13:00,668 because those concentrations were safe. 967 01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,671 Why? Because DuPont said so. 968 01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:10,303 This is what DuPont considers safe. 969 01:13:10,678 --> 01:13:13,180 That's something like one drop of water 970 01:13:13,264 --> 01:13:15,349 in an Olympic size swimming pool. 971 01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:17,935 In other words, even a trace of C-8 972 01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,937 renders water unsafe. 973 01:13:20,021 --> 01:13:22,356 But DuPont told the local water authority, 974 01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:23,482 "Don't worry. 975 01:13:23,566 --> 01:13:25,568 "Your wells have got even less than that." 976 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,737 - Except that was a lie. - A lie? 977 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:30,448 Yes. DuPont has been secretly testing 978 01:13:30,531 --> 01:13:31,866 these wells for decades. 979 01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,911 They knew they had contaminated those wells 980 01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:37,914 up to six times that level. 981 01:13:37,997 --> 01:13:40,666 And thanks to the Tennant case, now we know too. 982 01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:43,377 Hold on. This stuff is unregulated, right? 983 01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:45,004 I mean, as far as EPA's concerned, 984 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:47,131 it might as well be rose petals. 985 01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:49,467 The EPA hasn't set a standard, that's true, 986 01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:51,218 but DuPont did. 987 01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:54,263 And all the law requires to win a case like this, 988 01:13:54,347 --> 01:13:56,599 is to show that DuPont exceeded 989 01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:59,226 what DuPont itself considers safe. 990 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:00,603 Self-regulation. 991 01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:02,605 - If what you're saying is right... - It is right. 992 01:14:02,688 --> 01:14:06,067 ...then why would DuPont tell this water district anything at all? 993 01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,610 Seems to me that they're being 994 01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:09,445 a good corporate citizen here. 995 01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:12,865 That's how long you have to file suit. 996 01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:14,575 One year from the moment 997 01:14:14,659 --> 01:14:17,203 you realize your water's been contaminated. 998 01:14:17,662 --> 01:14:21,749 This letter looks like it's telling people their water is safe. 999 01:14:21,832 --> 01:14:25,002 In fact, it's notifying them that it isn't. 1000 01:14:25,086 --> 01:14:26,754 DuPont has started the clock. 1001 01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:28,255 Smart. 1002 01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:29,966 We would've counseled that. 1003 01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:32,093 It was sent 11 months ago. 1004 01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,637 The moment they realized we knew. 1005 01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:37,515 In 30 days, they're home free. 1006 01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:40,184 So that's the proposed case in brief. 1007 01:14:40,267 --> 01:14:42,019 But there's something else to consider. 1008 01:14:42,103 --> 01:14:43,354 You think? 1009 01:14:43,646 --> 01:14:44,730 Rob. 1010 01:14:44,814 --> 01:14:47,733 C-8 bio-accumulates. It builds up inside of us. 1011 01:14:48,109 --> 01:14:50,403 Some class members who aren't sick today 1012 01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:53,114 will get sick tomorrow. 1013 01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,950 We need a way to protect them into the future. 1014 01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:58,077 Jesus, Tom! If you're even thinking about using medical monitoring... 1015 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,496 Hold on. Hold on. 1016 01:15:00,579 --> 01:15:04,208 Medical monitoring is a claim now permitted 1017 01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:05,501 in West Virginia courts. 1018 01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,545 - Oh, come on. - Let's hear him out. 1019 01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:10,297 It say if a company exposes a community 1020 01:15:10,381 --> 01:15:12,008 to something that makes them sick, 1021 01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:15,302 they must monitor the health of that community indefinitely. 1022 01:15:15,386 --> 01:15:19,265 Everybody get that? You're creating liability from mere exposure. 1023 01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:21,058 It's also unprecedented. 1024 01:15:21,142 --> 01:15:23,269 Exactly! Which is why not six months ago, 1025 01:15:23,352 --> 01:15:25,021 we fought tooth and nail against it. 1026 01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:27,815 And you lost. Our clients have the right 1027 01:15:27,898 --> 01:15:29,734 to avail themselves of the law. 1028 01:15:29,817 --> 01:15:32,319 Potential clients. 1029 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,491 Okay. 1030 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:41,412 I know you, Rob. I know your passion. 1031 01:15:42,163 --> 01:15:44,415 You got a great settlement for your farmer. 1032 01:15:44,498 --> 01:15:45,833 You should be proud of that. 1033 01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:50,379 And perhaps as the newest partner at this table, 1034 01:15:50,463 --> 01:15:52,006 I should be more circumspect. 1035 01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:56,177 But what he's proposing here is 1036 01:15:56,802 --> 01:15:59,055 nothing less than a shakedown 1037 01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:02,141 - of an iconic American company. - We do not represent DuPont. 1038 01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:04,310 No, you don't represent anyone. 1039 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:07,813 Is this what we have become? 1040 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:10,649 Plaintiff's attorneys. Ambulance chasers. 1041 01:16:10,733 --> 01:16:12,651 Why don't you just admit it? Rob, you wanna flip. 1042 01:16:12,735 --> 01:16:14,862 You wanna take everything that you know 1043 01:16:14,945 --> 01:16:17,364 about how chemical companies operate 1044 01:16:17,448 --> 01:16:19,909 and turn it against DuPont. Like an informant. 1045 01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:21,077 - That's enough. - Isn't that right? 1046 01:16:21,202 --> 01:16:22,536 - Okay! - Isn't that right? 1047 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:23,996 - Isn't that right? - Yes. 1048 01:16:24,538 --> 01:16:27,958 Okay, then, I... I say we take a vote 1049 01:16:28,042 --> 01:16:30,169 and determine whether or not 1050 01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:31,754 we continue in the tradition 1051 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:34,173 that has distinguished this firm from everyone else... 1052 01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:36,717 Okay, I'm running this meeting. Okay? 1053 01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:38,385 You got that? 1054 01:16:39,386 --> 01:16:41,055 Has anyone even read the evidence 1055 01:16:41,138 --> 01:16:42,223 this man has collected? 1056 01:16:43,432 --> 01:16:45,726 The willful negligence, the corruption? 1057 01:16:47,186 --> 01:16:48,187 Read it! 1058 01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,856 And then tell me we should be sitting on our asses! 1059 01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:55,528 That's the reason why Americans hate lawyers. 1060 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,365 This is the crap that fuels the Ralph Naders of the world. 1061 01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:02,159 We should want to nail DuPont. 1062 01:17:03,035 --> 01:17:04,995 All of us should! 1063 01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,289 American business is better than this, gentlemen. 1064 01:17:07,373 --> 01:17:10,000 And when it's not, we should hold them to it. 1065 01:17:10,084 --> 01:17:12,169 That's how you build faith in the system. 1066 01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:16,298 We're always arguing that companies are people. 1067 01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:20,803 Well, these people have crossed the line! 1068 01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:23,597 To hell with them! 1069 01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:28,811 It may come as a surprise 1070 01:17:28,894 --> 01:17:31,814 to corporate defense types like yourselves, 1071 01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,774 but there's more to the law than just flooding 1072 01:17:33,858 --> 01:17:35,442 the other side in papers. 1073 01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:38,737 From where I sit, you have to touch people. 1074 01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:41,407 These girls, they handle the calls 1075 01:17:41,490 --> 01:17:43,659 from the class action members. 1076 01:17:43,742 --> 01:17:46,203 And there's thousands of 'em on any given case. 1077 01:17:46,829 --> 01:17:49,915 And it's here that we come to know their pain. 1078 01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:51,542 Isn't that right, Hazel? 1079 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:54,920 Yes. We hear it every day 1080 01:17:55,004 --> 01:17:58,174 and it's my job to make a jury feel that pain. 1081 01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:00,759 Not out of pity, but out of fear. 1082 01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,637 Whatever it is that happened to my client, 1083 01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:05,514 that juror has to think, 1084 01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,100 "That could happen to me." 1085 01:18:08,267 --> 01:18:09,685 You just keep hammering it. 1086 01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:11,937 One part per billion. One part per billion. 1087 01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,440 It's their own documents. Their own scientists. 1088 01:18:14,523 --> 01:18:15,566 Absolutely. 1089 01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:18,068 They set that standard, they have to live with it. 1090 01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,154 Yeah, I think we can relax, Rob, 1091 01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:23,490 though, there's no way they're gonna prevail with a motion to dismiss. 1092 01:18:23,574 --> 01:18:25,159 This is procedural. 1093 01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:27,411 It's nonsense. We'll get a trial today. 1094 01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:32,374 Okay, I'll catch you guys in there. 1095 01:18:35,961 --> 01:18:37,296 I wouldn't drink that. 1096 01:18:40,883 --> 01:18:41,884 Earl. 1097 01:18:44,011 --> 01:18:45,221 How ya doing? 1098 01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:47,431 Still here. 1099 01:18:49,266 --> 01:18:50,684 That's somethin', right? 1100 01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:53,604 Yes, that's something. 1101 01:18:54,563 --> 01:18:55,689 Good to see ya, Robbie. 1102 01:18:59,485 --> 01:19:00,736 Can't let 'em 1103 01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:03,447 shut you down. 1104 01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,910 I won't. I promise. 1105 01:19:08,702 --> 01:19:10,037 Whole world 1106 01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:13,415 needs to know. 1107 01:19:15,542 --> 01:19:18,254 They will, Earl. They will. 1108 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,217 Hey, Rob? It's time. 1109 01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:27,346 I have to go. 1110 01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:45,406 We are here on defendant's motion 1111 01:19:45,489 --> 01:19:49,118 to dismiss the case brought by Mr. Kiger, et al. 1112 01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:54,081 Now, which one of you is Mr. Wallace? 1113 01:19:54,832 --> 01:19:56,458 Edward Wallace, Your Honor, 1114 01:19:56,542 --> 01:19:59,086 on behalf of the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company, 1115 01:19:59,169 --> 01:20:00,629 better known as DuPont. 1116 01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:02,256 Yes, I've heard of it. 1117 01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:04,008 - Your motion. - Thank you. 1118 01:20:05,009 --> 01:20:08,887 Your Honor, we're here today because of a uniquely American invention. 1119 01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:10,639 Teflon. 1120 01:20:11,098 --> 01:20:13,809 Since 1961, Teflon has liberated housewives... 1121 01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,937 - No, no, no. - Excuse me. Homemakers... 1122 01:20:17,021 --> 01:20:19,315 This is a courtroom, Mr. Wallace. 1123 01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:21,150 Not the Home Shopping Network. 1124 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,279 Plaintiffs have alleged that DuPont 1125 01:20:25,362 --> 01:20:27,406 did not meet its own standard of safety 1126 01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:29,950 with regard to the level of C-8 1127 01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:31,327 in the local water supply. 1128 01:20:32,161 --> 01:20:33,579 That's irrelevant, Your Honor. 1129 01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:35,664 We ask you to dismiss on grounds 1130 01:20:35,748 --> 01:20:37,666 that the only standard that matters, 1131 01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:40,419 is the one that elected government deems safe. 1132 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:41,628 Not if it's unregulated. 1133 01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:43,797 It's government's job to make these determinations. 1134 01:20:43,881 --> 01:20:45,424 - Not any one company. - It's a trap. 1135 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:46,884 They can't revert back to... 1136 01:20:46,967 --> 01:20:48,093 I got it. 1137 01:20:48,177 --> 01:20:49,970 Is there a problem, Mr. Deitzler? 1138 01:20:50,054 --> 01:20:51,764 Apologies, Your Honor, 1139 01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:55,517 but DuPont has been hiding the dangers of this chemical 1140 01:20:55,601 --> 01:20:57,936 from the government for a while now. 1141 01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:00,481 And they're asking you to let them off the hook 1142 01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,858 because they've succeeded in their strategy. 1143 01:21:02,941 --> 01:21:05,027 Government doesn't regulate C-8. 1144 01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:06,153 Actually, that's not true. 1145 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:07,571 No, no. 1146 01:21:07,654 --> 01:21:09,698 The West Virginia's C-8 Working Group 1147 01:21:09,782 --> 01:21:11,283 has just issued a standard. 1148 01:21:11,950 --> 01:21:13,118 Here with us today, 1149 01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:14,953 is the governmental official who led that effort, 1150 01:21:15,496 --> 01:21:17,039 Dr. Mary Sue Kimball. 1151 01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:22,127 And, Dr. Kimball, as a senior member 1152 01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,463 of the State's Department of Environmental Protection, 1153 01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:26,090 isn't it, in fact, your duty, 1154 01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:27,925 - to protect the citizens of West Virginia... - Mr. Wallace. 1155 01:21:29,426 --> 01:21:30,552 I'll cut to the chase. 1156 01:21:32,221 --> 01:21:33,972 What is the level of C-8 in drinking water 1157 01:21:34,056 --> 01:21:36,225 that the State of West Virginia 1158 01:21:36,767 --> 01:21:38,519 has determined to be completely safe? 1159 01:21:38,602 --> 01:21:39,937 Watch it go from one part per billion to? 1160 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:41,021 - Five. - Ten? 1161 01:21:41,105 --> 01:21:42,773 150 parts per billion. 1162 01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:46,902 - Welcome to West Virginia. - The levels found in the wells 1163 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,988 of all six water districts represented in this suit, 1164 01:21:50,364 --> 01:21:52,366 do they fall below this maximum level? 1165 01:21:52,449 --> 01:21:53,450 Well below. 1166 01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:55,702 Nothing else, Your Honor. 1167 01:21:57,079 --> 01:21:58,747 Your witness, Mr. Deitzler. 1168 01:21:58,831 --> 01:22:00,290 Wait. Who's on the working group? 1169 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:01,708 DuPont, of course, and who else? 1170 01:22:01,792 --> 01:22:03,127 - Who did the water testing? - Mr. Deitzler? 1171 01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:04,878 - When was it done? - One moment, Judge. 1172 01:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,296 What was the sample size? 1173 01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:07,423 We should be able to see... 1174 01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:11,427 Going once, going twice... 1175 01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:15,431 Dr. Kimball, who were the members of this cabal 1176 01:22:15,514 --> 01:22:17,141 you call the C-8 working group? 1177 01:22:17,224 --> 01:22:18,684 Objection. 1178 01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:20,561 Cool it, Mr. Deitzler. 1179 01:22:22,104 --> 01:22:23,439 Go ahead, Dr. Kimball. 1180 01:22:23,897 --> 01:22:25,315 Agency officials, 1181 01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:29,069 representatives of the scientific community, um, stakeholders. 1182 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:30,904 Stakeholders? Which stakeholders? 1183 01:22:30,988 --> 01:22:34,450 Oh, wait, let me guess. It rhymes with bouffant? 1184 01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:37,369 DuPont is a stakeholder. Yes. 1185 01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:38,620 So, I see. 1186 01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:40,956 So, don't you find it peculiar that on the eve 1187 01:22:41,457 --> 01:22:43,125 of a class action lawsuit, 1188 01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:46,712 where DuPont might be considered liable 1189 01:22:46,795 --> 01:22:49,298 for poisoning this community, 1190 01:22:49,381 --> 01:22:52,217 they get you to come in here suddenly 1191 01:22:52,301 --> 01:22:56,096 and reverse decades of their so-called heralded science? 1192 01:22:57,222 --> 01:22:59,183 That's false. I don't work for DuPont. 1193 01:22:59,266 --> 01:23:00,517 I didn't say you did. 1194 01:23:01,351 --> 01:23:03,479 But now you bring it up, we'll check back in a month. 1195 01:23:03,562 --> 01:23:05,272 - Your Honor... - You honestly, was gonna plan on 1196 01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:10,194 telling this community that they can drink 150 times more C-8? 1197 01:23:10,277 --> 01:23:11,987 I mean, come on, people, bottoms up. 1198 01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,071 Honestly, Judge... 1199 01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:15,324 All right, Mr. Deitzler, enough. 1200 01:23:16,575 --> 01:23:18,076 We'll be unveiling the new standard 1201 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,620 at an upcoming public hearing. 1202 01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:23,207 Unveiling. Oh, that sounds like a party. 1203 01:23:24,041 --> 01:23:25,042 We'll be there! 1204 01:23:31,048 --> 01:23:33,800 Their safety standards thing, that's all a sham. 1205 01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:35,636 Thanks to the Judge's decision, 1206 01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,638 we will have our day in court. 1207 01:23:37,721 --> 01:23:38,931 Yes, we will! 1208 01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:41,350 Because if the state of West Virginia 1209 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:43,310 won't stop the DuPont Corporation 1210 01:23:43,393 --> 01:23:45,646 from literally poisoning its citizens, 1211 01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:49,066 then we, the citizens, will stop them ourselves. 1212 01:23:51,193 --> 01:23:53,487 Good evening and welcome to 20/20. 1213 01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:57,866 Well, it coats the pots you cook with so the food doesn't stick. 1214 01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:01,078 It protects the carpet your baby crawls on. 1215 01:24:01,161 --> 01:24:02,955 I miss carpet. 1216 01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,249 ...your skin lotion, even your makeup. 1217 01:24:05,332 --> 01:24:07,209 We're talking about Teflon. 1218 01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:10,295 And tonight our 20/20 investigation uncovers 1219 01:24:10,379 --> 01:24:14,550 alarming information about this much-used material. 1220 01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:17,177 It is very alarming, Barbara. I cook with Teflon. 1221 01:24:17,261 --> 01:24:20,389 I didn't know until I watched this report that you're about to see, 1222 01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:22,182 that if Teflon gets hot enough... 1223 01:24:22,266 --> 01:24:24,059 ...millions of people have in their homes. 1224 01:24:24,142 --> 01:24:25,435 Teflon has become such a familiar... 1225 01:24:25,519 --> 01:24:28,689 ...Substance that is also used in clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses. 1226 01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:32,109 ...already found in the blood of most Americans. 1227 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:38,407 ...millions of homes across Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface... 1228 01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:40,576 The Environmental Protection Agency 1229 01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:45,581 this morning announced it has opened a priority review of the chemical C-8, 1230 01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:48,292 currently the subject of a class action lawsuit 1231 01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:50,252 against the chemical giant DuPont. 1232 01:24:50,335 --> 01:24:51,336 Joe! 1233 01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:56,466 Joe! Oh, my Lord! Joe, just wait! 1234 01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:59,553 Wait for the fire department, please, honey! 1235 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,930 Please don't go crazy! 1236 01:25:02,014 --> 01:25:03,890 ...have triggered a mass panic amongst Chinese consumers. 1237 01:25:03,974 --> 01:25:06,727 ...just throw away your non-stick pans, many experts... 1238 01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,021 Are your pans making you sick? 1239 01:25:09,104 --> 01:25:10,814 That's the question being asked... 1240 01:25:10,897 --> 01:25:14,067 ...kitchen implements coated in Teflon. 1241 01:25:14,693 --> 01:25:17,696 The house was empty. It belongs to my father. 1242 01:25:18,071 --> 01:25:20,157 I don't know how it could've started. 1243 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,491 His name Kiger? 1244 01:25:23,118 --> 01:25:25,245 Think someone might have got the wrong house? 1245 01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:36,965 All of this hullabaloo is just silly. 1246 01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:41,094 Teflon is completely safe for cooking. 1247 01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:43,972 That is why we founded the Cook Healthy campaign, 1248 01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:45,599 to set the record straight. 1249 01:25:45,724 --> 01:25:50,646 And besides being completely safe, it is also... 1250 01:25:57,903 --> 01:25:59,112 Copy that. 1251 01:26:02,115 --> 01:26:03,492 All the way down. 1252 01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:09,307 We're now on the record. 1253 01:27:09,391 --> 01:27:13,270 This is the videotaped deposition of Charles O. Holliday, Jr., 1254 01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:16,314 taken by the plaintiffs in the matter of Kiger et al 1255 01:27:16,398 --> 01:27:19,609 v. the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company. 1256 01:27:19,693 --> 01:27:21,403 Raise your right hand. 1257 01:27:22,112 --> 01:27:24,823 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 1258 01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:26,032 I do. 1259 01:27:27,451 --> 01:27:29,411 Uh, please state your name. 1260 01:27:30,203 --> 01:27:31,955 Charles O. Holliday, Jr. 1261 01:27:32,372 --> 01:27:35,751 And are you presently employed? 1262 01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:37,836 Yes. 1263 01:27:38,295 --> 01:27:40,338 What is your position? 1264 01:27:41,298 --> 01:27:44,551 I'm the chairman and chief executive officer of the DuPont Company. 1265 01:27:45,886 --> 01:27:50,515 In DuPont's most recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, 1266 01:27:50,599 --> 01:27:55,020 you state, "Based on over 50 years of industry experience 1267 01:27:55,103 --> 01:27:57,355 "and extensive scientific study, 1268 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,443 "DuPont believes there is no evidence that PFOA causes 1269 01:28:01,526 --> 01:28:05,947 "any adverse human health effects or harms the environment." 1270 01:28:06,031 --> 01:28:08,158 You signed that legal filing, correct? 1271 01:28:08,241 --> 01:28:10,994 I don't recall the exact statement, but that sounds right to me. 1272 01:28:11,077 --> 01:28:15,123 Are you aware that DuPont has, in its own files, 1273 01:28:15,207 --> 01:28:20,212 studies dating back to the 1970s that say just the opposite? 1274 01:28:20,504 --> 01:28:23,423 That PFOA, or C-8, as it's called, 1275 01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:26,593 has potentially life-threatening effects on human health? 1276 01:28:26,676 --> 01:28:29,596 I'm not familiar with the exact studies we may have in our files. 1277 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,974 Then I'll take you through them. Uh, Exhibit 9. 1278 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:41,775 Uh, you were just handed Exhibit 9. 1279 01:28:42,108 --> 01:28:46,196 - Uh, do you see the date March 13th, 1979? - Yes. 1280 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,032 - Do you see the DuPont logo at the top? - Yes. 1281 01:28:49,157 --> 01:28:52,869 - Do you see this word here, highlighted? - Yes. 1282 01:28:52,953 --> 01:28:55,622 - Would you read it for me, please? - "Receptors." 1283 01:28:56,456 --> 01:29:00,085 Do you know what that word refers to, receptors? 1284 01:29:00,627 --> 01:29:03,547 Um, in this context, I do not. 1285 01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:05,257 It means human beings. 1286 01:29:05,757 --> 01:29:07,843 DuPont refers to the men and women 1287 01:29:07,926 --> 01:29:11,680 that your company exposed to C-8 as receptors. 1288 01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:16,393 And in these receptors, your scientists found, 1289 01:29:16,476 --> 01:29:20,730 "significantly higher incidents of allergic endocrine 1290 01:29:20,814 --> 01:29:22,691 "and metabolic disorders." 1291 01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:27,404 As well as, "excess risk of developing liver disease." 1292 01:29:27,487 --> 01:29:29,489 - Do you see that? - Yes. 1293 01:29:31,157 --> 01:29:34,619 Moreover, you have infertility at Teflon. 1294 01:29:34,703 --> 01:29:36,955 Occurrences of leukemia. 1295 01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:39,332 You have excess of cancers. 1296 01:29:39,416 --> 01:29:41,459 Bladder, kidney, oral, pharynx. 1297 01:29:41,543 --> 01:29:44,045 Next paragraph. 78. 1298 01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:46,673 Do you see that heading? Do you see that date? Do you see that? 1299 01:29:46,756 --> 01:29:49,259 Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53. 1300 01:29:49,342 --> 01:29:51,428 I'd like to move on to birth defects. 1301 01:29:51,511 --> 01:29:52,679 We've gone almost seven hours. 1302 01:29:52,762 --> 01:29:55,640 Mr. Holliday, you're aware that in 1981 1303 01:29:55,724 --> 01:29:59,477 3M notified DuPont that it had conducted studies on rats. 1304 01:29:59,561 --> 01:30:00,979 And these studies showed 1305 01:30:01,062 --> 01:30:04,900 that sustained C-8 exposure can cause facial deformities? 1306 01:30:04,983 --> 01:30:06,735 I'm not aware of a study by 3M. 1307 01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:11,406 How about DuPont's own studies that showed the same thing in humans? 1308 01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:18,288 That's DuPont's pregnancy study from 1981. 1309 01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:20,165 Does that look like a DuPont document to you? 1310 01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:21,333 It looks to be. 1311 01:30:23,376 --> 01:30:27,047 Are you aware that DuPont has denied that any such study 1312 01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:29,591 ever even took place? 1313 01:30:30,884 --> 01:30:33,553 I'm not familiar with specific statements we've made about that. 1314 01:30:33,637 --> 01:30:37,307 Seven pregnant women, all DuPont employees, 1315 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,434 all from the Teflon line. 1316 01:30:40,226 --> 01:30:42,312 Do you see this here? 1317 01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:46,816 "Child, four months, one nostril, 1318 01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,110 - "eye defect." - Yes. 1319 01:30:49,194 --> 01:30:52,405 Two of the seven women, nearly 30%, gave birth 1320 01:30:52,489 --> 01:30:56,368 to babies that had the exact facial deformities that your company 1321 01:30:56,451 --> 01:30:58,703 - already knew about. - We're done here. 1322 01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:01,998 Sir. 1323 01:31:03,375 --> 01:31:05,210 His parents named him Bucky. 1324 01:31:08,922 --> 01:31:10,298 Bucky Bailey. 1325 01:31:12,175 --> 01:31:14,552 This is your receptor. 1326 01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:24,396 Now we're done. 1327 01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:05,121 The Environmental Protection Agency has levied the largest fine 1328 01:33:05,205 --> 01:33:09,042 in agency history against the chemical giant, DuPont. 1329 01:33:09,501 --> 01:33:14,130 The EPA concluded the company failed to report the health dangers of C-8 1330 01:33:14,214 --> 01:33:16,800 used in the manufacture of Teflon. 1331 01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:21,054 Dupont will pay the EPA 16.5 million. 1332 01:33:22,347 --> 01:33:26,351 It earns a billion dollars in profits from Teflon each year. 1333 01:33:33,483 --> 01:33:34,818 To recap, 1334 01:33:34,901 --> 01:33:38,113 we've agreed that DuPont will clean local water supplies. 1335 01:33:38,196 --> 01:33:41,783 Install infiltration systems in all six water districts. 1336 01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:46,412 Additionally, DuPont will pay 70 million in cash to the Class. 1337 01:33:46,496 --> 01:33:48,706 Three days' revenue on the Teflon line. 1338 01:33:49,874 --> 01:33:53,753 Which leaves our most challenging issue. Medical monitoring. 1339 01:33:53,837 --> 01:33:56,923 We've agreed to establish an independent science panel 1340 01:33:57,006 --> 01:34:01,553 comprised of three scientists who have no relationship to either side. 1341 01:34:02,387 --> 01:34:05,849 This independent panel will study the members of this Class 1342 01:34:05,932 --> 01:34:09,769 to determine whether C-8 exposure has led to increased incidents 1343 01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:11,855 of disease in this region. 1344 01:34:12,647 --> 01:34:15,483 If the panel finds that there are probable scientific links 1345 01:34:15,567 --> 01:34:18,987 to a particular disease, the health of everyone in the Class 1346 01:34:19,070 --> 01:34:22,991 will be monitored for that disease in perpetuity 1347 01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:26,494 at DuPont's cost, up to 235 million. 1348 01:34:26,578 --> 01:34:29,372 And any Class member who develops that disease 1349 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:32,125 can sue DuPont for damages. 1350 01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:34,127 However... 1351 01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:38,631 If the science panel fails to establish probable scientific links, 1352 01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:40,508 then this case is over. 1353 01:34:40,592 --> 01:34:44,137 No monitoring. No lawsuits. No exceptions. 1354 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:48,600 Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now officially in the hands of science. 1355 01:34:49,934 --> 01:34:54,397 Well, wouldn't have pegged you as a Mai Tai guy. 1356 01:34:55,273 --> 01:34:57,734 - It's festive. - Wouldn't have pegged you for that either. 1357 01:34:57,817 --> 01:35:00,570 We have something to celebrate. Yeah? 1358 01:35:00,653 --> 01:35:01,738 Do we? 1359 01:35:03,072 --> 01:35:06,868 Look, how do we know that the panel's gonna prove 1360 01:35:06,951 --> 01:35:09,579 that DuPont made all these people sick? 1361 01:35:10,330 --> 01:35:12,832 I'm no scientist, but even I know you'd need 1362 01:35:12,916 --> 01:35:15,752 huge amounts of medical data, not to mention 1363 01:35:15,835 --> 01:35:17,503 thousands of blood samples and... 1364 01:35:17,587 --> 01:35:19,839 From people who don't trust us. 1365 01:35:19,923 --> 01:35:23,218 "Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with some needles. You won't mind, will ya?" 1366 01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:26,804 I know these people, you know. 1367 01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:30,058 They're gonna take the money and run. 1368 01:35:30,141 --> 01:35:31,267 Wouldn't you? 1369 01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:36,022 I think they want more than just the money. I think they... 1370 01:35:36,981 --> 01:35:39,525 They wanna know if they're gonna get sick or not. 1371 01:35:39,609 --> 01:35:42,612 Or if they have C-8 in their blood, and what that's gonna do 1372 01:35:42,695 --> 01:35:45,114 to them and their families. 1373 01:35:46,366 --> 01:35:48,868 So, we're just gonna trust that they show up? 1374 01:35:48,952 --> 01:35:52,413 - Trust, but verify. - What does that mean, Rob? 1375 01:35:53,706 --> 01:35:56,751 Well, come in for an exam. 1376 01:35:56,834 --> 01:36:00,213 Um, give us a blood sample. 1377 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,966 Then, we'll give you your check. 1378 01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:07,929 On second thought, make mine a Mai Tai. 1379 01:36:08,012 --> 01:36:09,013 All around, please. 1380 01:36:10,431 --> 01:36:12,558 - Rob Bilott. - Yeah. 1381 01:36:12,684 --> 01:36:14,852 Where'd you pull that out of? 1382 01:36:15,061 --> 01:36:17,563 Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us. 1383 01:36:17,647 --> 01:36:20,733 That's why scientists need to know if the chemical C-8 1384 01:36:20,817 --> 01:36:22,318 causes any health problems. 1385 01:36:22,402 --> 01:36:26,197 Starting today, you can help by completing a health questionnaire and having... 1386 01:36:29,242 --> 01:36:31,035 Oh, come on! 1387 01:36:31,119 --> 01:36:32,912 ...medical van's downtown. Well, how about you? 1388 01:36:32,996 --> 01:36:37,000 - You gonna get your blood tested? - Nah. I hate needles. 1389 01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:39,127 It's $400, buddy. 1390 01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:40,920 Really? 1391 01:36:41,004 --> 01:36:43,131 Got your attention, didn't I? 1392 01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:15,204 Okay. Okay. All right. All right. 1393 01:37:15,788 --> 01:37:17,498 Yeah. That'll work. 1394 01:37:17,582 --> 01:37:19,250 We bring them back here. 1395 01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:22,879 Draw the blood, hand them a check. 1396 01:37:22,962 --> 01:37:25,214 - $400? - Each. 1397 01:37:25,298 --> 01:37:27,133 Lots of money around here. 1398 01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:29,052 How many you brought with you today, Miss LUAnn? 1399 01:37:29,135 --> 01:37:31,512 My husband, and my three kids, and me. 1400 01:37:31,596 --> 01:37:33,056 $2,000. 1401 01:37:33,139 --> 01:37:35,975 - Not too shabby right before Christmas. - Yup. 1402 01:37:36,976 --> 01:37:39,062 But you ain't gonna find nothing. 1403 01:37:39,145 --> 01:37:42,231 DuPont's good people. You'll see. 1404 01:37:45,985 --> 01:37:47,445 Gigi, Gigi, Gigi! 1405 01:37:47,528 --> 01:37:50,531 It's your turn to put the angel on the top. 1406 01:37:51,032 --> 01:37:53,409 - You do it, sweetie. - Gigi's too pooped. 1407 01:37:53,493 --> 01:37:56,454 Why don't you get your Uncle Ben to give you a boost? 1408 01:37:56,537 --> 01:37:59,499 - Ooh. - Mom, you okay? 1409 01:37:59,582 --> 01:38:00,583 Yeah. 1410 01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:02,168 Seriously, it's huge. 1411 01:38:02,251 --> 01:38:04,170 They're gonna be making you partner this year. I know it. 1412 01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:06,130 Well, they'd better. I mean... 1413 01:38:06,381 --> 01:38:08,007 Mommy, come see! 1414 01:38:08,091 --> 01:38:09,175 Hey, baby, did you hang that ornament? 1415 01:38:09,258 --> 01:38:11,260 - Rob, can you get that? - Let me see. 1416 01:38:11,344 --> 01:38:12,553 Okay, I'm coming. 1417 01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,558 Hello? 1418 01:38:17,642 --> 01:38:20,019 - Rob, you sitting down for this? - Larry, what's wrong? 1419 01:38:20,103 --> 01:38:23,523 - Sixty-nine thousand. - Sixty-nine thousand what? 1420 01:38:23,606 --> 01:38:26,734 Sixty-nine thousand people got tested. Sixty-nine thousand! 1421 01:38:26,818 --> 01:38:28,945 Do you realize how much data this is? 1422 01:38:29,028 --> 01:38:30,363 It's what we needed, Rob! This is it! 1423 01:38:30,446 --> 01:38:32,949 - Oh, my God. - You were right all along, my friend. 1424 01:38:33,032 --> 01:38:34,450 - Merry Christmas! - Thank you! 1425 01:38:34,534 --> 01:38:36,035 - You bet. - Thank you! 1426 01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:37,412 Talk real soon. 1427 01:38:39,122 --> 01:38:41,082 - Hey, who was that? - You won't believe it. 1428 01:38:41,165 --> 01:38:43,793 - Daddy, guess what I just did? - What? What'd you just do? 1429 01:38:43,876 --> 01:38:45,711 I put the angel on the top. 1430 01:38:45,795 --> 01:38:47,171 - Yeah? - Uncle Ben lifted me. 1431 01:38:47,255 --> 01:38:49,882 He did? Like this? Oh! 1432 01:38:49,966 --> 01:38:53,761 - Merry Christmas, everyone! - Merry Christmas! 1433 01:39:08,568 --> 01:39:13,114 We are gathered here today in the memory of Wilbur Earl Tennant. 1434 01:39:13,614 --> 01:39:16,492 "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. 1435 01:39:17,076 --> 01:39:19,745 "He makes me lie down in green pastures. 1436 01:39:20,246 --> 01:39:25,084 "He leads me besides still waters. He restoreth my soul. 1437 01:39:25,168 --> 01:39:28,671 "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, 1438 01:39:28,754 --> 01:39:30,923 "I will fear no evil..." 1439 01:40:03,498 --> 01:40:05,124 Quick, everybody. Mustard or ketchup? 1440 01:40:05,208 --> 01:40:07,376 Teddy, for the tenth time, that's my ketchup. 1441 01:40:07,460 --> 01:40:10,463 - Charlie, don't start. - What? It's mine. I got it. 1442 01:40:10,546 --> 01:40:13,216 - He's got his own, okay? - You're that lawyer. 1443 01:40:13,591 --> 01:40:14,759 Finish up. 1444 01:40:16,385 --> 01:40:20,139 My brother's Dale Lamb. You took his blood. Said you'd help him. 1445 01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:23,434 Yeah, I did. We're... We're working on it. I promise. 1446 01:40:23,518 --> 01:40:24,852 He's dead. 1447 01:40:26,604 --> 01:40:28,397 Testicular cancer. 1448 01:40:30,441 --> 01:40:33,069 Left three little boys younger than yours. 1449 01:40:38,282 --> 01:40:40,493 But you enjoy your family. 1450 01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:44,080 Okay. Everybody up. 1451 01:40:44,163 --> 01:40:45,831 - I'm not finished. - I said up. 1452 01:41:24,704 --> 01:41:28,249 Well, Darlene can't even leave the house without being harassed! 1453 01:41:29,542 --> 01:41:33,212 First, they blame us for suing DuPont, 1454 01:41:33,296 --> 01:41:36,757 and now they hate on us 'cause they ain't seen nothing from it! 1455 01:41:36,841 --> 01:41:39,844 - I'm sorry, Joe... - Well, that ain't good enough! 1456 01:41:40,094 --> 01:41:43,639 And they wonder why in the hell it takes four damn years 1457 01:41:43,723 --> 01:41:47,184 to read a lousy blood sample, and I don't blame 'em! 1458 01:41:47,602 --> 01:41:51,731 We trusted you, Rob. We put our faith in you. 1459 01:41:51,814 --> 01:41:54,191 - I know, Joe. I'm so... - All right? 1460 01:41:58,654 --> 01:42:02,742 Isn't there just some kind of a progress report? 1461 01:42:02,825 --> 01:42:06,078 Anything that I can share with these folks? 1462 01:42:06,162 --> 01:42:08,664 I mean, they... They have been waiting. 1463 01:42:08,748 --> 01:42:10,166 I'm sorry, Mr. Bilott. 1464 01:42:10,249 --> 01:42:12,001 The Panel is still in the process of 1465 01:42:12,084 --> 01:42:14,003 analyzing complex data and modeling 1466 01:42:14,086 --> 01:42:16,839 from thousands of samples and medical histories. 1467 01:42:16,964 --> 01:42:20,092 I'm so sorry. Could you hold a moment? 1468 01:42:30,269 --> 01:42:32,438 Charlie, don't pick at your food. 1469 01:42:34,148 --> 01:42:35,399 What's a hooker? 1470 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,111 Where did you learn that? 1471 01:42:39,195 --> 01:42:41,947 He told me that Mary Magdalene was a hooker. 1472 01:42:43,699 --> 01:42:46,869 - What? She was. - You're supposed to say prostitute. 1473 01:42:46,952 --> 01:42:49,372 And then she found God 1474 01:42:49,455 --> 01:42:52,249 and became one of Jesus's most fervent disciples. 1475 01:42:53,959 --> 01:42:55,336 See? I was just teaching him the Bible. 1476 01:42:55,961 --> 01:42:58,422 I can't today. So everybody up. 1477 01:42:59,048 --> 01:43:00,549 Everybody up! 1478 01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,602 - Can we still afford it? - What? 1479 01:43:12,561 --> 01:43:13,854 Catholic school. 1480 01:43:29,662 --> 01:43:31,706 My brother's back in rehab. Did you know that? 1481 01:43:34,667 --> 01:43:37,670 - No, I'm sorry. - Today's... 1482 01:43:39,338 --> 01:43:41,799 Today's Mom's first day at chemo. 1483 01:43:42,425 --> 01:43:43,426 I forgot. 1484 01:43:43,509 --> 01:43:46,262 'Cause it's not about your case, Rob. 1485 01:43:46,512 --> 01:43:47,722 Car! 1486 01:43:47,805 --> 01:43:49,098 - Gosh. - Okay. Jimmies. 1487 01:43:55,104 --> 01:43:58,858 Teddy forged my signature, and Tony's quitting football. Tony. 1488 01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:00,943 But how would you know about that, right? 1489 01:44:01,026 --> 01:44:03,112 Because all you see, all that you... 1490 01:44:03,195 --> 01:44:06,699 You... The boys have ever seen is you, obsessing about this... 1491 01:44:11,203 --> 01:44:12,913 Have I ever complained? 1492 01:44:16,667 --> 01:44:19,545 Say something, for God's sakes, Rob! 1493 01:44:19,628 --> 01:44:21,589 - No. - No? 1494 01:44:21,672 --> 01:44:23,466 - No. - No. 1495 01:44:24,508 --> 01:44:26,552 Because I knew that you needed something. 1496 01:44:26,635 --> 01:44:29,388 Some connection... Something. 1497 01:44:29,472 --> 01:44:30,473 And... 1498 01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:31,891 So I took it on. 1499 01:44:33,058 --> 01:44:37,021 But if you want to start accounting, if you want to start with, 1500 01:44:37,104 --> 01:44:39,148 "Oh, can we afford," then... 1501 01:44:42,485 --> 01:44:44,195 I don't know, Rob. 1502 01:44:45,154 --> 01:44:47,907 Can the boys afford a father who can't string two words together? 1503 01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:50,534 Can our marriage afford 13 years of... 1504 01:44:50,618 --> 01:44:52,495 Thirteen years of this? 1505 01:44:55,164 --> 01:44:58,751 How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it? About our lives? 1506 01:45:02,922 --> 01:45:04,256 Of course not. 1507 01:45:06,008 --> 01:45:08,219 I'll tell Mom you asked about her. 1508 01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:14,558 What in God's name is that Panel doing? Why are we still getting bills? 1509 01:45:14,934 --> 01:45:17,186 Overhead. Uh... 1510 01:45:17,269 --> 01:45:18,354 Local counsel. 1511 01:45:18,437 --> 01:45:21,023 - Harry's call center... - $1,000 an hour. 1512 01:45:21,106 --> 01:45:23,442 That... That was a technical expert. 1513 01:45:23,526 --> 01:45:27,738 We needed to do filings when DuPont started lobbying Washington... 1514 01:45:27,822 --> 01:45:29,532 That's Washington's problem, not ours. 1515 01:45:29,615 --> 01:45:31,283 That's why you got them involved. Your memo. 1516 01:45:31,367 --> 01:45:34,119 It was just a fine, Tom. It's a fine. Sixteen million. 1517 01:45:34,203 --> 01:45:37,039 It's... It's nothing for these people. It's pocket change. 1518 01:45:37,122 --> 01:45:39,500 Yes, but if they get charged with criminal concealment, game over. 1519 01:45:39,625 --> 01:45:42,253 - You said DOJ was investigating. - Not anymore. 1520 01:45:42,378 --> 01:45:44,213 - What? - They dropped the investigation. 1521 01:45:44,338 --> 01:45:46,841 - They dropped... What? - They dropped it. No reason given. 1522 01:45:49,677 --> 01:45:53,514 Tom, our government is captive to DuPont. 1523 01:45:53,973 --> 01:45:56,809 This case, it's the only hope we have. 1524 01:45:56,892 --> 01:45:59,311 They know that, and they're trying to make it as expensive 1525 01:45:59,395 --> 01:46:02,189 as they can to force you to make me stop. 1526 01:46:04,358 --> 01:46:06,235 - Just tell me how much longer. - I... 1527 01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:10,781 I... I can't. I... wish I could. 1528 01:46:12,366 --> 01:46:13,659 - Tom, I... - Are you okay? 1529 01:46:13,742 --> 01:46:15,286 Um, I'm fine. I'm just... 1530 01:46:15,369 --> 01:46:19,748 Rob, I'm a Managing Partner now. I have a firm to run. 1531 01:46:20,249 --> 01:46:24,086 I know. And Tom, I think there could be a huge payout here... 1532 01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,546 You think I'm in this for money? 1533 01:46:26,338 --> 01:46:27,464 - No, I... - You think I am... 1534 01:46:27,548 --> 01:46:32,011 Letting you drag this firm's reputation through a meat grinder 1535 01:46:32,094 --> 01:46:33,721 for some kind of plaintiff's payoff? 1536 01:46:36,181 --> 01:46:38,893 I... I don't know why you're doing it. 1537 01:46:43,147 --> 01:46:45,441 Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry, 1538 01:46:45,524 --> 01:46:48,110 but you're gonna have to take another pay cut. 1539 01:46:48,193 --> 01:46:51,113 Tom, that's... That's my fourth pay cut. 1540 01:46:51,196 --> 01:46:54,158 I... I'm down to a third now. 1541 01:46:54,241 --> 01:46:56,493 You don't have any clients. No one will take your calls. 1542 01:46:58,203 --> 01:47:02,458 What am I supposed to do here? Now, I'm on your side, but... 1543 01:47:02,791 --> 01:47:03,792 Rob? 1544 01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:07,129 Amy? Amy! 1545 01:47:07,212 --> 01:47:09,214 - Kathleen! - Get some help! 1546 01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:10,758 - Kathleen! - Get some help! 1547 01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,135 Rob! Rob! 1548 01:47:23,354 --> 01:47:25,564 Looks like we should, uh, cancel 1549 01:47:25,648 --> 01:47:28,776 my 4:00 with Jerry and... 1550 01:47:28,859 --> 01:47:31,445 I don't know. We're waiting to find out. 1551 01:47:31,528 --> 01:47:32,613 It was, uh... 1552 01:47:35,783 --> 01:47:38,452 Make... Make sure that, uh, Jerry knows that... 1553 01:47:39,787 --> 01:47:41,330 I... I have to go. 1554 01:47:42,206 --> 01:47:43,707 - Mrs. Bilott? - Yes. 1555 01:47:43,791 --> 01:47:47,002 We think your husband's most likely experienced a TIA. 1556 01:47:47,086 --> 01:47:49,296 A transient ischemic attack. 1557 01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:53,801 Blood is briefly cut off to the brain, mimicking the symptoms of a stroke. 1558 01:47:55,302 --> 01:47:59,306 Uh, excuse me. A TIA? This wasn't short. 1559 01:47:59,515 --> 01:48:01,892 It... It kept going on. 1560 01:48:01,976 --> 01:48:03,310 What about poison? 1561 01:48:03,936 --> 01:48:05,270 I'm sorry? 1562 01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:08,023 Could someone be poisoning him? 1563 01:48:08,107 --> 01:48:11,443 No, Mrs. Bilott. This is neurological. 1564 01:48:12,111 --> 01:48:13,737 You just said it wasn't a stroke. 1565 01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:15,614 Well, not this time. 1566 01:48:15,698 --> 01:48:17,241 - What does that mean? - Well, it means that 1567 01:48:17,366 --> 01:48:19,368 - he needs to never miss his medication. - Mmm-hmm. 1568 01:48:19,451 --> 01:48:22,621 And needs to reduce all sources of stress in his life. 1569 01:48:22,955 --> 01:48:25,290 He's under enormous pressure at work. 1570 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,211 Well, that needs to change. But he's a young man. 1571 01:48:29,294 --> 01:48:30,671 He shouldn't be having these incidences. 1572 01:48:32,381 --> 01:48:34,341 He's sedated, but you can see him. 1573 01:48:34,466 --> 01:48:37,720 - I'll check in on him tomorrow. - Thank you. Thank you. 1574 01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:47,896 I'll give you some privacy. 1575 01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:52,651 Anything you need, call me. 1576 01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:58,741 I need you to stop making him feel like a failure. 1577 01:49:05,205 --> 01:49:09,084 I appreciate the stress that your family must be going through. 1578 01:49:09,168 --> 01:49:12,629 Please don't talk to me like I'm the wife. 1579 01:49:16,383 --> 01:49:19,595 Did Rob ever tell you about moving around as a kid? 1580 01:49:20,387 --> 01:49:21,930 I... 1581 01:49:22,014 --> 01:49:24,725 Ten times before senior year. 1582 01:49:24,808 --> 01:49:26,852 No friends, no ties, no... 1583 01:49:26,935 --> 01:49:29,480 Just him, his sister, his folks. 1584 01:49:31,565 --> 01:49:33,817 Then I came along and you came along and... 1585 01:49:36,278 --> 01:49:38,489 Taft, it's not just a job. 1586 01:49:38,572 --> 01:49:41,492 To him it's... It's home. 1587 01:49:45,245 --> 01:49:47,790 And he was willing to risk all that 1588 01:49:48,082 --> 01:49:50,626 for a stranger who needed his help. 1589 01:49:52,127 --> 01:49:57,132 Now, you and I may not know what that is, 1590 01:49:59,343 --> 01:50:01,261 but it's not failure. 1591 01:50:35,587 --> 01:50:39,842 Lord, you have searched my heart 1592 01:50:40,259 --> 01:50:45,264 And you know when I sit and when I stand 1593 01:50:45,764 --> 01:50:48,976 Your hand is upon me 1594 01:50:49,059 --> 01:50:52,521 Protecting me from death 1595 01:50:52,688 --> 01:50:57,818 Keeping me from harm 1596 01:50:59,736 --> 01:51:05,909 Oh, Lord, I know you are near 1597 01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:15,252 Standing always at 1598 01:51:15,335 --> 01:51:18,505 My side 1599 01:51:45,741 --> 01:51:48,035 Hey, do you know the score? 1600 01:51:49,328 --> 01:51:53,040 The game? Sorry, my radio's busted. 1601 01:51:54,666 --> 01:51:55,959 Sorry. 1602 01:51:56,251 --> 01:51:58,212 Don't worry about it. It'll be a surprise. 1603 01:51:58,503 --> 01:52:00,172 Bucky, come on. We'll be late. 1604 01:52:02,007 --> 01:52:03,050 Have a good one. 1605 01:53:45,527 --> 01:53:47,863 Hey, Rob, Bill Leary. We haven't met. 1606 01:53:48,363 --> 01:53:50,115 I'm the new comptroller out of Indianapolis. 1607 01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,744 Listen, we need to talk about these unbilled hours and these unreimbursed... 1608 01:54:10,427 --> 01:54:12,888 - Hello? - Mr. Bilott? 1609 01:54:13,513 --> 01:54:14,681 Yes? 1610 01:54:14,765 --> 01:54:17,934 I guess I should start by apologizing for taking... 1611 01:54:18,352 --> 01:54:20,604 well, seven years to call you. 1612 01:54:20,687 --> 01:54:22,689 - Who is this? - Oh, yes, of course. 1613 01:54:22,814 --> 01:54:26,568 - It's Dr. Karen Frank from the... - Science Panel? 1614 01:54:27,944 --> 01:54:31,740 Again, I'm so sorry to have kept you waiting this long, Mr. Bilott. 1615 01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:34,868 - But there was just so much data... - Please, Doctor, please, 1616 01:54:35,202 --> 01:54:36,203 can you... 1617 01:54:36,286 --> 01:54:38,497 Would just please tell me what's happened? 1618 01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,291 What's happening? What you've found out? 1619 01:54:41,375 --> 01:54:44,711 Yes. You gave us an unprecedented amount of data. 1620 01:54:45,295 --> 01:54:48,298 The largest epidemiological study in human history. 1621 01:54:49,049 --> 01:54:53,136 It's irrefutable. We have linked sustained exposure to C-8 1622 01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:56,765 to six categories of serious illness. 1623 01:55:01,645 --> 01:55:04,815 Kidney cancer, testicular cancer... 1624 01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:08,151 thyroid disease, preeclampsia... 1625 01:55:08,235 --> 01:55:10,987 high cholesterol, ulcerative colitis. 1626 01:55:12,322 --> 01:55:16,118 3,635 people in the Class already have these diseases. 1627 01:55:17,035 --> 01:55:18,829 Many more will develop them. 1628 01:55:20,831 --> 01:55:24,167 Thanks to you the entire Class will be monitored... 1629 01:55:24,251 --> 01:55:27,546 and those who get sick can seek restitution. 1630 01:55:29,297 --> 01:55:32,801 You did a good thing here, Mr. Bilott. You did good. 1631 01:55:35,512 --> 01:55:37,097 Thank you. 1632 01:57:30,126 --> 01:57:33,547 Rob? What happened? 1633 01:57:38,009 --> 01:57:39,469 Rob? 1634 01:57:41,721 --> 01:57:43,473 DuPont, they're reneging. 1635 01:57:45,809 --> 01:57:48,103 - Which part? - All of it. 1636 01:57:49,104 --> 01:57:50,647 They're tearing up our agreement. 1637 01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:52,566 Rejecting the Science Panel. 1638 01:57:52,649 --> 01:57:55,986 They're gonna fight every claim in court. 1639 01:57:56,069 --> 01:57:59,573 Thousands of claims. People, sick people, they'll give up. 1640 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,575 They can't fight DuPont! 1641 01:58:02,033 --> 01:58:04,786 How can they go back on... 1642 01:58:04,911 --> 01:58:06,997 - Sarah. - They can't go back on everything. 1643 01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,373 They're a titan of industry. 1644 01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:09,708 They can do whatever the hell they want. 1645 01:58:09,791 --> 01:58:10,959 Nothing else matters. 1646 01:58:11,042 --> 01:58:12,586 They can fight you all they want. 1647 01:58:12,669 --> 01:58:14,337 It doesn't take away from what you've done! 1648 01:58:14,421 --> 01:58:17,674 Of course, it does. That's exactly what it does! 1649 01:58:19,217 --> 01:58:21,344 They want to show the world that it's no use fighting. 1650 01:58:21,428 --> 01:58:24,222 Look, everybody, even he can't crack the maze 1651 01:58:24,306 --> 01:58:25,473 and he's helped build it! 1652 01:58:26,474 --> 01:58:28,351 The system is rigged! 1653 01:58:29,644 --> 01:58:31,521 They want us to think it'll protect us, 1654 01:58:31,605 --> 01:58:32,689 but that's a lie. 1655 01:58:32,772 --> 01:58:34,691 We protect us. We do. 1656 01:58:34,941 --> 01:58:36,067 Nobody else. 1657 01:58:37,986 --> 01:58:40,697 Not the companies. Not the scientists. 1658 01:58:40,780 --> 01:58:42,532 Not the government. Us. 1659 01:58:45,994 --> 01:58:49,164 A farmer with a 12th grade education told me that. 1660 01:58:51,458 --> 01:58:55,837 On day one, he knew and I thought he was crazy. 1661 01:59:03,178 --> 01:59:04,804 Isn't that crazy? 1662 01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,102 No. 1663 02:00:16,668 --> 02:00:18,294 All rise. 1664 02:00:18,503 --> 02:00:19,921 The honorable Timothy Burg... 1665 02:00:20,004 --> 02:00:23,466 United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio presiding. 1666 02:00:23,550 --> 02:00:26,136 This court is now in session pursuant to the adjournment. 1667 02:00:26,219 --> 02:00:27,929 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 1668 02:00:28,012 --> 02:00:30,390 All persons having business with this honorable court 1669 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,518 draw near, give their attention and they shall be heard. 1670 02:00:33,601 --> 02:00:36,354 God save the United States and this honorable court. 1671 02:00:36,438 --> 02:00:38,022 Please be seated. 1672 02:00:38,106 --> 02:00:40,525 And we're here this morning for a jury trial. 1673 02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:45,613 So, 3,535 claims. 1674 02:00:46,156 --> 02:00:48,408 At a rate of four or five cases a year, 1675 02:00:48,491 --> 02:00:50,493 we can all expect to be here till... 1676 02:00:51,578 --> 02:00:54,706 Well, the year 2890. If we're lucky. 1677 02:00:55,582 --> 02:00:56,875 Guess we'd better get started. 1678 02:00:57,542 --> 02:00:59,461 Mrs. Johnson, is your attorney present? 1679 02:01:00,754 --> 02:01:01,755 Good morning, Your Honor. 1680 02:01:01,838 --> 02:01:03,047 Rob Bilott for the plaintiff. 1681 02:01:03,798 --> 02:01:05,884 Oh, still here, huh? 1682 02:01:06,843 --> 02:01:07,844 Still here. 1683 02:02:04,903 --> 02:02:09,903 OCR'd and corrected by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org61225

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