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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,487 --> 00:00:04,237 (ominous instrumental music) 2 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:23,140 - This house was vacant. 3 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:27,797 It had trees and weeds that just covered the house, 4 00:00:27,797 --> 00:00:30,290 and you couldn't, you could barely see it. 5 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:31,607 And I just saw it and went in my head, 6 00:00:31,607 --> 00:00:33,733 that's a beautiful, beautiful home. 7 00:00:34,570 --> 00:00:36,640 Why did they let it go like that? 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,750 So, I had a friend who was a realtor 9 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:43,240 look into who owned it, if it was for sale. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,007 And a couple weeks after that, she got back to me and said, 11 00:00:47,007 --> 00:00:47,840 "It's vacant. 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,673 "The bank owns it. 13 00:00:48,673 --> 00:00:50,417 "It's gonna go up for auction. 14 00:00:50,417 --> 00:00:51,903 "I'll let you know." 15 00:00:51,903 --> 00:00:55,020 And we put the offer in that day. 16 00:00:55,020 --> 00:00:55,853 - [Steve] From what I understand, 17 00:00:55,853 --> 00:00:58,200 the condition of the home was pretty rough. 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,112 You guys. 19 00:00:59,112 --> 00:00:59,945 - [Stephanie] It was. 20 00:00:59,945 --> 00:01:00,778 It was very bad. 21 00:01:00,778 --> 00:01:02,040 Yeah, when we bought the house, gosh, 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,880 we had to replace probably 90% of the windows. 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,483 We had to put a new roof on. 24 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:09,430 There was three feet of water 25 00:01:09,430 --> 00:01:11,010 in the basement when we bought it. 26 00:01:11,010 --> 00:01:11,843 - [Steve] Wow. 27 00:01:11,843 --> 00:01:13,460 - There was no plumbing. 28 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:14,960 There were no light fixtures. 29 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,370 A couple bath tubs missing. 30 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:18,026 They were the cast iron. 31 00:01:18,026 --> 00:01:18,859 - Yeah, clawfoot. 32 00:01:18,859 --> 00:01:19,760 - Clawfoot tubs. 33 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,883 They were missing. 34 00:01:22,060 --> 00:01:25,500 It was just discarded, kind of, it was kind of sad. 35 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,420 - It was my wife's idea, Stephanie, to acquire the house. 36 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:30,630 I was more inclined, at the time 37 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:33,970 with where the economy was and opportunities 38 00:01:33,970 --> 00:01:36,300 in the township to acquire beautiful homes 39 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:39,420 for basically half price because of what was happening 40 00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:41,690 in the real estate market. 41 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:44,260 But I was overruled 'cause she had this 42 00:01:44,260 --> 00:01:47,230 ambition of taking on a project of this type 43 00:01:47,230 --> 00:01:49,830 and spearheading a renovation. 44 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:53,550 And with the help of some family members and such, 45 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:56,520 turning it into a home that she thought we'd enjoy. 46 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,430 So, we decided to buy the property, and the rest is history. 47 00:02:00,430 --> 00:02:02,530 - [Steve] So, you guys get into the house, 48 00:02:02,530 --> 00:02:04,460 and you start to rehab and start 49 00:02:04,460 --> 00:02:06,510 to gut it and all that stuff. 50 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:09,000 When did you realize, for the first time, 51 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,160 that something wasn't quite right? 52 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,200 - We heard somebody walking around upstairs 53 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,240 and walking down the stairs, and it wasn't just me. 54 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,700 - I was about 13 or 14 when we finally moved in 55 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,300 'cause it took a long time to redo this house. 56 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:26,327 And I did hear a lot of things like, 57 00:02:26,327 --> 00:02:28,760 and I saw things in the corner of my eye. 58 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,820 And I would see shadows. 59 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:33,310 Like, they were always like by the windows and stuff, 60 00:02:33,310 --> 00:02:35,520 and that happened a lot. 61 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,750 Like, you always felt like there's 62 00:02:37,750 --> 00:02:40,630 something or someone with you. 63 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:44,170 - I can feel people like watching me sometimes, 64 00:02:44,170 --> 00:02:47,240 just randomly when I'm doing something, anything. 65 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,570 Sometimes I hear keys playin' on the piano 66 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:52,560 like in the higher section 67 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,440 and when I'm just in my room doing something. 68 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,540 And I can sometimes hear footsteps around the house. 69 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:02,120 - I've experienced that myself, 70 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,400 where I'd be sitting in the family room, 71 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,690 which is the room below my office here, 72 00:03:06,690 --> 00:03:11,210 and the dog, Hector, would start barking at a wall. 73 00:03:11,210 --> 00:03:13,160 There have been instances where the cats 74 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,630 would park themselves in front of the stairwell 75 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:20,810 leading up to my office and just stare up the stairwell 76 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:22,570 and maybe start to hiss a little bit. 77 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:25,690 So, those are the types of things I've experienced. 78 00:03:25,690 --> 00:03:27,360 - It was weird from the start, you know. 79 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,970 It always just felt weird in here. 80 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:30,850 Even though my brother and I had different rooms, 81 00:03:30,850 --> 00:03:32,870 we'd share, end up sharin' a bed every night 82 00:03:32,870 --> 00:03:34,470 'cause it, we'd get freaked out. 83 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:37,070 I did get banging on this door all the time. 84 00:03:37,070 --> 00:03:39,143 I go out this door over here. 85 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,020 Around like 75% of the time, every night I'd, 86 00:03:45,020 --> 00:03:47,215 you know, most of the nights I'd hear just 87 00:03:47,215 --> 00:03:48,048 (door rattling) 88 00:03:48,048 --> 00:03:51,370 goin' like this, and I kinda got used to it 89 00:03:51,370 --> 00:03:53,600 'cause, you know, it didn't really. 90 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,503 Nothing really bad was like happening. 91 00:03:57,260 --> 00:03:59,417 But it still like freaked me out every night, 92 00:03:59,417 --> 00:04:02,260 and I'd wake up to it, and it'd freak me out. 93 00:04:02,260 --> 00:04:04,040 - Now, when you say 75% of the time, 94 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,760 I mean, you're saying almost every night 95 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,230 that you slept in here something would rattle that door. 96 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:09,360 - Yeah, all the time. 97 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,090 I moved out to my own house when I was 17 98 00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:12,600 because I didn't like living here. 99 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,560 - So, it literally drove you out of the house. 100 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,393 - Yeah. 101 00:04:15,393 --> 00:04:17,120 - 2 a.m., I'd be the only person up 102 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,600 coming downstairs goin' to the kitchen to make some food, 103 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,530 and I'd start hearing the piano start to play. 104 00:04:22,530 --> 00:04:25,790 And it wasn't like they were playing actual 105 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:26,740 songs or anything. 106 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:30,130 It was just note after note, not in any specific order. 107 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:32,297 And I don't know how that exactly was happening, 108 00:04:32,297 --> 00:04:35,510 but I could clearly see none of the keys were moving. 109 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:39,410 - The first thing we really noticed that was significant 110 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:42,910 when we moved in was when my daughter, 111 00:04:42,910 --> 00:04:45,083 who was three, four at the time, 112 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:50,100 got hysterical because there was some little boy in my room 113 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,280 that was looking out the window, 114 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,840 and he didn't have any feet, is what she said. 115 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:55,826 - [Steve] Do you recall the first 116 00:04:55,826 --> 00:04:58,030 paranormal experience that you had in this house? 117 00:04:58,030 --> 00:05:00,610 - Um, the first paranormal experience 118 00:05:00,610 --> 00:05:03,880 was when my sister was babysitting me, 119 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,620 and I was upstairs in my parents' room. 120 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:10,570 And I walked in there, and I saw a little boy. 121 00:05:10,570 --> 00:05:13,030 He was looking out the window, 122 00:05:13,030 --> 00:05:15,460 and then he turned towards me. 123 00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:17,780 And then, he just disappeared. 124 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:18,710 - And he definitely looked at you? 125 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:20,880 He was making it clear that he could see you? 126 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,713 - [Sabina] Yes. 127 00:05:21,713 --> 00:05:23,340 - [Steve] How did you respond to that? 128 00:05:23,340 --> 00:05:26,483 - Um, I screamed and just started running. 129 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:28,940 - I would've too. (Sabina laughing) 130 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:30,300 Why do you think the activity seems 131 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:33,410 to really center around your daughter? 132 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:36,540 That whatever's in this house gravitates to her, 133 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:38,770 and I guess children in general? 134 00:05:38,770 --> 00:05:39,980 - I believe there's a child here. 135 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:41,570 They both have seen a child. 136 00:05:41,570 --> 00:05:46,200 I think it's attracted to, they're children, they're fun. 137 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,210 And they're innocent, and they can see him. 138 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:53,120 - That's when we decided, we probably, 139 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,550 it probably wasn't a very good idea, 140 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:57,850 but we actually printed off the ouiji board 141 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:01,270 just on a piece of paper. 142 00:06:01,270 --> 00:06:03,710 And we used, I had a ring that I used to wear, 143 00:06:03,710 --> 00:06:06,360 and we just put a string on it. 144 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,360 And then, we asked a couple of questions. 145 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:13,880 We're like, "Is there anybody there?" 146 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,567 And, "Can you talk to us?" 147 00:06:15,567 --> 00:06:18,410 And they said, we got a "yes." 148 00:06:18,410 --> 00:06:21,120 We got, "yes," after a couple minutes. 149 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,210 And then, I asked them to spell their name. 150 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:25,630 Asked, "What, who, what's your name?" 151 00:06:25,630 --> 00:06:28,740 And it spelled out V-I-C. 152 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:31,420 My mom looked it up. 153 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:35,150 And she actually found out that a little boy 154 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:39,793 named Victor died in this house at six years old. 155 00:06:41,030 --> 00:06:43,980 And so, then everything sort of, kind of makes sense. 156 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:47,860 - Um, so, you know the Charlie, Charlie thing 157 00:06:47,860 --> 00:06:50,750 where, like, you ask Charlie questions, 158 00:06:50,750 --> 00:06:52,360 and it'd say yes or no? 159 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,300 - You know, actually, your brother 160 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:55,270 was tellin' me about that. 161 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:56,450 I've never heard of that. 162 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:58,167 So, tell me what that is. 163 00:06:58,167 --> 00:07:00,440 - Um, okay, so you get a piece of paper, 164 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,440 and then you draw, like, basically like an X on it. 165 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:10,510 And on the X you write two no's, and you write two yes's. 166 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,450 Then, you stack two pencils on top of each other, 167 00:07:15,450 --> 00:07:19,620 like laying down so it makes an X. 168 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:24,300 And then, you would ask yes or no questions to Charlie, 169 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:27,110 and it'd either respond with yes or no 170 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:29,770 by moving the pencils back and forth. 171 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:31,747 - And this actually worked? 172 00:07:31,747 --> 00:07:34,903 - Well, we said, "Victor, Victor, are you here?" 173 00:07:34,903 --> 00:07:36,686 and then, we would ask it a question, 174 00:07:36,686 --> 00:07:38,010 and, yeah, it actually worked. 175 00:07:38,010 --> 00:07:41,340 - It was literally moving whenever we asked it a question. 176 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:43,440 And then, we asked if there was more than one 177 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,930 ghost in here, and it moved to yes. 178 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:48,567 And then, it said, my mom asked it, 179 00:07:48,567 --> 00:07:49,400 "Are you here to hurt us?" 180 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,290 And it kinda like went to no for a second, 181 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:53,572 and then, boom, and it was on yes. 182 00:07:53,572 --> 00:07:55,640 My mom told me to go outside and burn it. 183 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,640 - There's something here that's not mean-spirited, 184 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:05,930 and I feel like there's something here that is. 185 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:10,160 One night, almost two o'clock in the morning, 186 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,260 our alarm system goes off, and my eldest son, 187 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:15,930 you know, has a friend over. 188 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:18,980 We have a refrigerator that has snacks in it in the garage, 189 00:08:18,980 --> 00:08:22,540 and I'm going, I'm assuming that, okay, 190 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:24,360 he's going to the garage to get snacks. 191 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,380 And he didn't think to turn the alarm off 192 00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:27,440 before he went out there. (suspenseful music) 193 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,673 - I got out here to see what's goin' on. 194 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:32,443 I grab a crutch. 195 00:08:32,443 --> 00:08:34,080 Me and my friend Ricky each grab a crutch 196 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,040 'cause we don't know what's goin' on. 197 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,320 The alarm system's goin' off. 198 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,450 My mom meets me right here at the door. 199 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:39,767 She's like, "What are you guys doin'? 200 00:08:39,767 --> 00:08:41,130 "Why do you guys have crutches in your hand?" 201 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:43,957 And we're like, "Well, we heard crying a little bit ago, 202 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:44,997 "and now there's a big bang. 203 00:08:44,997 --> 00:08:46,180 "The alarm system's goin' off." 204 00:08:46,180 --> 00:08:48,230 - So, you guys grabbed the crutches as like weapons? 205 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:49,700 - Yes, 'cause we didn't know if somebody 206 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:51,959 had broken into the house or anything. 207 00:08:51,959 --> 00:08:52,792 So, we come out here, and I'm like, 208 00:08:52,792 --> 00:08:54,060 "Where's Sabina at?" 209 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:55,220 - He's confused. 210 00:08:55,220 --> 00:08:57,370 His friend comes out behind him. 211 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:59,140 They're confused, and then all of a sudden 212 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:02,010 he looks at me, and he said, "Where's Sabina?" 213 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:05,770 And, you know, the alarm's going off, and it's loud. 214 00:09:05,770 --> 00:09:08,463 She should be awake, and she should be there with us. 215 00:09:10,688 --> 00:09:14,950 And so I go, and I run across to her room. 216 00:09:14,950 --> 00:09:17,693 And I pull the bed curtains back, and she is not there. 217 00:09:17,693 --> 00:09:20,180 It's like I'm living in a horror movie now. 218 00:09:20,180 --> 00:09:21,013 - And she screams. 219 00:09:21,013 --> 00:09:22,510 She lets out this blood-curdling scream. 220 00:09:22,510 --> 00:09:23,879 So, I'm, I'm thinkin' the worst. 221 00:09:23,879 --> 00:09:26,550 I'm thinkin' Sabina's like dead in there, 222 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:28,440 or like she's kidnapped or somethin'. 223 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,720 So, I go into the room. 224 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,340 I'm lookin' for Sabina. 225 00:09:32,340 --> 00:09:33,523 We go up into the room. 226 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:38,003 And, you know, we're lookin' for Sabina, 227 00:09:39,148 --> 00:09:40,970 and I look out this window that's right here. 228 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:43,440 - And then, I hear her scream 229 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,320 like blood-curdling scream, and she's outside. 230 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,210 I don't know how I got from her room to the door. 231 00:09:51,210 --> 00:09:53,350 Actually, I broke the screen tryin' to open it. 232 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:57,430 It's mid-July, and she is maybe 10 feet from the road. 233 00:09:57,430 --> 00:10:00,060 - So, she got outside without 234 00:10:00,060 --> 00:10:02,470 even being traced by the alarm. 235 00:10:02,470 --> 00:10:04,000 And when my mom came in here and screamed, 236 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,250 it still gives me goose bumps, 237 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:06,290 like thinkin' about her scream. 238 00:10:06,290 --> 00:10:08,050 I never heard my mom scream like that. 239 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:09,760 I ran outside as fast as I could. 240 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,530 I was doin' laps around the house with a crutch 241 00:10:11,530 --> 00:10:13,530 tryin' to see if there was somebody here. 242 00:10:13,530 --> 00:10:16,770 And, you know, we didn't, Sabina wasn't really like. 243 00:10:16,770 --> 00:10:18,040 She didn't really know what was goin' on. 244 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,280 - I scream out her name, and like that 245 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,610 she like turns around and then is just bawling. 246 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:28,570 And comes up onto the deck, and I pick her up. 247 00:10:28,570 --> 00:10:29,640 And she is like ice. 248 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,050 I mean, her skin, she is so cold. 249 00:10:33,050 --> 00:10:34,140 And this is mid-July. 250 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:36,770 I mean, we don't have air conditioning in this place. 251 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:39,830 And for her to feel like ice scared me. 252 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:43,730 I mean, I was, not only she's outside two in the morning, 253 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:45,903 she's nine years old. 254 00:10:46,908 --> 00:10:48,950 What the heck is she doin' out there? 255 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:53,950 And had my son not even said, "Where is she?" 256 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:55,840 how long would I have noticed? 257 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,320 10, 20, 30 seconds before I would have checked. 258 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,690 She would've been in the road. 259 00:11:00,690 --> 00:11:02,420 - [Sabina] That's weird that like I 260 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:04,533 knew perfectly what to do, 261 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:08,250 how to go do everything, unlock doors. 262 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:11,610 I, like, felt somebody was like there with me 263 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:13,210 guiding me through the whole thing. 264 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:16,750 I was like being possessed kind of. 265 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:18,310 - What do you do? 266 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:21,010 I mean, we're sleeping in the middle of the night, 267 00:11:21,010 --> 00:11:23,340 and she's not safe. 268 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:24,600 You think you're safe. 269 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,070 We have an alarm to keep you safe. 270 00:11:27,070 --> 00:11:29,860 And you're not safe from what's in the house, 271 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:31,442 and that's terrifying. 272 00:11:31,442 --> 00:11:34,775 (intense ominous music) 273 00:11:49,270 --> 00:11:53,130 I've only caught video of anything 274 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:54,700 in this house just the once. 275 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:58,030 I was upstairs making the bed, doin' the normal routines 276 00:11:58,030 --> 00:12:02,800 that I always do, and I heard some really strange noises. 277 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,720 I couldn't figure out what the heck it was, 278 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,640 and so I decided to just start recording 279 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,230 what I was hearing and what I was picking up. 280 00:12:11,230 --> 00:12:14,040 The first one, this was probably 281 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,790 five, six minutes after I started hearing something. 282 00:12:18,790 --> 00:12:20,363 I decided to start recording. 283 00:12:22,261 --> 00:12:23,810 (banging sound) 284 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:24,980 - [Steve] You can see the chandelier 285 00:12:24,980 --> 00:12:27,130 flickering right there with that sound too. 286 00:12:31,261 --> 00:12:33,946 (banging sound) 287 00:12:33,946 --> 00:12:37,842 - And you can hear there's some really loud banging sound, 288 00:12:37,842 --> 00:12:40,199 and like a door's opening. (door creaking) 289 00:12:40,199 --> 00:12:41,110 - [Steve] Wow. 290 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:42,610 - That's the door that opened. 291 00:12:44,071 --> 00:12:46,530 (banging sound) 292 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:49,400 And the banging is actually on that door 293 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,117 that you're hearing now. 294 00:12:51,117 --> 00:12:53,315 (banging sound) 295 00:12:53,315 --> 00:12:54,970 And you can kinda tell when it's in the hall, 296 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:56,800 and then when it's on the door. 297 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,103 This went on for at least two hours. 298 00:13:05,696 --> 00:13:08,446 (knocking sound) 299 00:13:13,544 --> 00:13:14,377 (door slamming) 300 00:13:14,377 --> 00:13:16,035 And then, the door finally closes. 301 00:13:16,035 --> 00:13:16,868 - [Steve] Wow. 302 00:13:16,868 --> 00:13:18,200 That just completely shuts on its own. 303 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,060 - Yeah, and then the light goes on in this room, 304 00:13:22,060 --> 00:13:23,931 and it kinda looks like someone's walking 305 00:13:23,931 --> 00:13:25,513 in front of the door. 306 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:32,350 So, that was, at some point I'm going, 307 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:34,370 is there actually somebody in my house 308 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:37,670 that I'm not aware of? 309 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:38,900 - [Steve] Right there, you can totally see 310 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:40,720 that something blocks out the light. 311 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,938 And now, you can see the light again. 312 00:13:41,938 --> 00:13:42,771 - [Stephanie] Right. 313 00:13:42,771 --> 00:13:43,820 - [Steve] I mean, yeah, you can totally see that. 314 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:45,430 I mean, something is moving under the door. 315 00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:47,223 It's interfering with the light. 316 00:13:50,723 --> 00:13:53,390 (banging sound) 317 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,743 - Then, it started banging on that door. 318 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:59,380 So, it went from the door that opened 319 00:13:59,380 --> 00:14:01,213 and closed to the bathroom. 320 00:14:02,903 --> 00:14:04,932 - [Steve] That's incredible. 321 00:14:04,932 --> 00:14:07,599 (banging sound) 322 00:14:15,135 --> 00:14:17,802 (banging sound) 323 00:14:37,203 --> 00:14:41,033 - So, I can't explain that one. 324 00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:44,190 And this was the last one. 325 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:46,040 After I came out, I decided to turn on the light 326 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,283 to see if I could see anything. 327 00:14:51,111 --> 00:14:54,179 And I just figured I'd continue recording. 328 00:14:54,179 --> 00:14:56,350 (banging sound) 329 00:14:56,350 --> 00:14:59,590 And this one is where I finally decided I had enough 330 00:15:00,830 --> 00:15:03,580 because you can hear somebody walking across the floor. 331 00:15:05,083 --> 00:15:08,333 (floorboards creaking) 332 00:15:26,988 --> 00:15:30,071 (door creaking open) 333 00:15:31,937 --> 00:15:34,687 (knocking sound) 334 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:05,940 And so, after that I decided I had enough, 335 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:08,830 and I needed to go somewhere else 336 00:16:08,830 --> 00:16:09,810 for the rest of the day 337 00:16:09,810 --> 00:16:11,710 until I picked my kids up from school. 338 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:19,740 (eerie music) 339 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:23,420 - Man, that was an incredible amount of information. 340 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:25,700 I feel so bad for that little girl Sabina, 341 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,250 for the whole family, for that matter. 342 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:30,140 It's amazing that Stephanie actually 343 00:16:30,140 --> 00:16:33,710 caught cell phone video evidence to show us. 344 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:35,890 I mean, we all know what a rarity that is 345 00:16:35,890 --> 00:16:38,210 where the homeowner actually captures 346 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:40,750 something on video to show us. 347 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:42,070 And that video was amazing. 348 00:16:42,070 --> 00:16:44,640 I mean, you could hear those footsteps 349 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,650 going right in front of her down the hallway 350 00:16:46,650 --> 00:16:50,040 approaching Sabina's room, opening the door. 351 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,710 I just can't believe Stephanie actually went 352 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:55,580 into the room after it and the bathroom. 353 00:16:55,580 --> 00:16:57,890 She's definitely got a lot of guts, you know? 354 00:16:57,890 --> 00:17:01,320 Being home alone like that, and kinda 355 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,730 chasin' the thing around the house. 356 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:05,874 This case is definitely a lot more imminent 357 00:17:05,874 --> 00:17:07,893 than I had originally thought. 358 00:17:09,657 --> 00:17:11,579 (cell phone ringing) 359 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:13,279 It's actually Stephanie right now. 360 00:17:14,930 --> 00:17:15,763 Hey, Stephanie. 361 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:19,053 Good, good, everything okay? 362 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,233 Ah, yeah, yeah. 363 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:26,490 Do you mind if I put this on speaker? 364 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:28,790 We're actually documenting in the car right now, 365 00:17:28,790 --> 00:17:31,140 and I, is it okay if I put you on speakerphone? 366 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:33,153 Okay. 367 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,059 Stephanie, you there? 368 00:17:38,059 --> 00:17:38,892 - [Stephanie] Yeah. 369 00:17:38,892 --> 00:17:39,725 - Okay. - Can you hear me? 370 00:17:39,725 --> 00:17:40,944 - Yeah, I can hear you. 371 00:17:40,944 --> 00:17:42,365 - [Stephanie] Oh, okay, yeah. 372 00:17:42,365 --> 00:17:43,420 Yeah, the reason I was calling 373 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:46,493 because I know that when we were talking earlier, 374 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,763 there was something I was kind of hesitant to talk about. 375 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:53,727 I'm not sure how relevant it would be, 376 00:17:53,727 --> 00:17:55,170 but I guess I was thinkin' about it 377 00:17:55,170 --> 00:17:57,070 and sayin' it's probably something 378 00:17:57,070 --> 00:17:58,470 that you might need to know. 379 00:18:00,630 --> 00:18:02,150 So, if you had a minute yet, I'd like 380 00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:06,550 to just tell you about another, I guess, issue we had 381 00:18:06,550 --> 00:18:10,603 when we were renovating the outside of the house. 382 00:18:12,375 --> 00:18:15,473 When we were trying to level our land here 383 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:20,540 slowly because there were a lot of holes and low spots, 384 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:21,880 and we were getting a lot of water. 385 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,170 So, we brought someone in with a Bobcat, 386 00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:28,890 and we were, you know, taking the high spots 387 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:31,270 and pushing them into the low spots. 388 00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:32,607 Only when we're doing that, we uncovered 389 00:18:32,607 --> 00:18:37,607 a large stone slab that was buried under the ground. 390 00:18:39,031 --> 00:18:39,864 - Okay. 391 00:18:39,864 --> 00:18:42,580 - [Stephanie] And, um, you know, we didn't think much of it, 392 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:46,640 and we broke the stone slab up and moved it. 393 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,170 And underneath that, we 394 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:55,460 found a few bones that seemed to be of the human nature. 395 00:18:56,290 --> 00:18:58,880 And a partial insole of a shoe 396 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,800 and a couple things that just didn't seem 397 00:19:04,739 --> 00:19:07,814 like they were animal bones, you know what I mean? 398 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,877 - Yeah, yeah, I definitely. 399 00:19:09,877 --> 00:19:11,443 What'd you guys do with the, 400 00:19:11,443 --> 00:19:13,363 with the remains, with the bones? 401 00:19:14,410 --> 00:19:15,580 - [Stephanie] You know, at the time, 402 00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:19,160 we just kind of, you know what, 403 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,887 this looks like it maybe should be 404 00:19:22,887 --> 00:19:24,650 a spot we just don't touch. 405 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:27,880 We put it back in the ground and buried everything back up. 406 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,230 The biggest bone that we found 407 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:32,370 that was more of an indicator of human, 408 00:19:32,370 --> 00:19:34,290 we found like a finger bone. 409 00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:37,530 And, you know, it, animals are shaped, I know, differently 410 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:39,140 because they walk on all fours. 411 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:41,833 This was clearly not an animal bone. 412 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:45,570 - And you said there was like a large cement slab that. 413 00:19:45,570 --> 00:19:46,440 - [Stephanie] It was not cement. 414 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,420 It was stone. 415 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:48,400 - Stone, okay, yeah. 416 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,410 So, definitely again another indicator 417 00:19:50,410 --> 00:19:52,860 of how old that, that grave would be. 418 00:19:52,860 --> 00:19:53,940 Makes you wonder if it was an old 419 00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:57,230 family cemetery on the property or? 420 00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:58,063 - [Stephanie] Yeah, I know. 421 00:19:58,063 --> 00:19:59,552 Given the age of the house, you know, 422 00:19:59,552 --> 00:20:02,710 we thought about, at the time did they just 423 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:05,410 bury grandma and grandpa in the backyard? 424 00:20:05,410 --> 00:20:07,540 - Kinda makes you wonder if that's, 425 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,910 I mean, did you notice any change in activity 426 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:12,749 after you guys found those bones? 427 00:20:12,749 --> 00:20:14,110 - [Stephanie] (sighing) You know, I can't 428 00:20:14,110 --> 00:20:16,209 say that we did or didn't because when we found that 429 00:20:16,209 --> 00:20:20,170 we had, we weren't quite living in the house yet. 430 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:21,170 - Okay. 431 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:23,140 - [Stephanie] We were still renovating. 432 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:24,900 It was before we moved in. 433 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:27,330 - Alright, so, it may or may not have contributed to that. 434 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:28,450 Wow. 435 00:20:28,450 --> 00:20:29,870 - [Stephanie] Right. 436 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:32,210 But, yeah, I don't know how significant that really is, 437 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:34,797 but I just thought that you probably should know. 438 00:20:34,797 --> 00:20:36,270 - Did you guys call the authorities 439 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:37,809 when you located the bones? 440 00:20:37,809 --> 00:20:39,670 - [Stephanie] We did not because we just said, 441 00:20:39,670 --> 00:20:40,503 okay, we found 'em. 442 00:20:40,503 --> 00:20:41,336 We'll bury 'em. 443 00:20:41,336 --> 00:20:43,290 We'll just pretend like it didn't happen. 444 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:45,640 - Wow, that really makes me wonder 445 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,760 if that could be the contribution 446 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,600 of this other thing that's in your house 447 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,913 obviously besides the child spirit, Victor. 448 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:56,610 - [Stephanie] Right. 449 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:58,370 I mean, they could be. 450 00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:59,343 I'm just not sure. 451 00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:02,755 But, yeah, it's definitely something I, 452 00:21:02,755 --> 00:21:05,350 after thinking about it, I thought you should probably know. 453 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:06,410 - Okay, definitely. 454 00:21:06,410 --> 00:21:07,710 We'll, we'll have to, you know, 455 00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:09,380 we'll factor that in to the research, 456 00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:13,143 and we'll get over there as soon as we possibly can. 457 00:21:13,143 --> 00:21:13,976 - [Stephanie] Alright. 458 00:21:13,976 --> 00:21:14,929 - Okay. 459 00:21:14,929 --> 00:21:15,780 All right, well, thanks for lettin' me know. 460 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,670 And, again, if you can think of anything else at all 461 00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:20,770 or any more details about the bones in the yard, 462 00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:22,380 feel free to call me or text me, okay? 463 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:23,980 - [Stephanie] Alright, absolutely. 464 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:24,970 - Okay. 465 00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:25,803 - [Stephanie] You have a good night. 466 00:21:25,803 --> 00:21:26,636 - Alright, you too. 467 00:21:26,636 --> 00:21:27,469 - [Stephanie] Bye bye. 468 00:21:27,469 --> 00:21:28,302 - Bye. 469 00:21:28,302 --> 00:21:29,135 (cell phone beeping) 470 00:21:29,135 --> 00:21:31,910 Wow, I mean, literally we're right 471 00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:33,900 in the middle of talking about how chaotic 472 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:38,900 and crazy this case is, and then she calls and says that. 473 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,610 I mean, to me, there's no question 474 00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:43,550 that finding those bones, a body in the yard, 475 00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:46,490 and then, for all we know there could be multiple bodies. 476 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:49,370 You know, maybe that's an old cemetery, who knows? 477 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:51,120 Tomorrow's gonna be the first day. 478 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,540 Bring in T.D. McRoy. 479 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:54,870 Start to get that footage for the Iroquois technology, 480 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:57,843 and let's just jump right into this investigation. 481 00:21:59,973 --> 00:22:02,473 (eerie music) 482 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:11,160 - [T.D.] So, we definitely have 483 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,083 joined forces with our research. 484 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:17,750 Us CPI's as doin' the scientific side 485 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:20,910 with the Iroquois technology and the dynamic filtration, 486 00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:24,150 and Haunted Saginaw doin' the research side. 487 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:26,010 And we're bringin' this information together. 488 00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:28,140 This is the first step tonight 489 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:29,653 of movin' to that next level. 490 00:22:30,592 --> 00:22:33,592 (suspenseful music) 491 00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:39,200 - So, of course, this is the second floor of the home. 492 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,220 This is Sabina's room, which is the youngest daughter. 493 00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:44,620 And what is in this house seems to be 494 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,370 very centered around her. 495 00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:50,233 - Well, just at a glance, clearly I haven't been in there. 496 00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:56,420 But a young teenage girl's room is very cluttered often. 497 00:22:56,780 --> 00:23:00,010 These entities seem to love clutter. 498 00:23:00,010 --> 00:23:02,980 It gives them a place to hide, you know what I mean? 499 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:06,030 Because they're all about camouflage. 500 00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:08,324 I mean, they're the masters of it. 501 00:23:08,324 --> 00:23:11,230 You know, we have things in nature 502 00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:13,650 that are able to camouflage themself. 503 00:23:13,650 --> 00:23:15,650 Clearly, animals do it all the time. 504 00:23:15,650 --> 00:23:18,750 But in this next dimension, let's just call it, 505 00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:21,080 people are able to camouflage. 506 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040 - Have you ever been with a paranormal 507 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,050 investigation team to actually acquire 508 00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:29,890 specific footage for Iroquois technology? 509 00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:32,470 I mean, we did that Finn Road, but remotely. 510 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:34,240 You know, you told us what you wanted. 511 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,073 We filmed it. 512 00:23:35,073 --> 00:23:36,310 We sent it to you. 513 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:39,644 This time you're here, actually, physically here. 514 00:23:39,644 --> 00:23:40,477 - [T.D.] Right. 515 00:23:40,477 --> 00:23:41,910 - We could use that to our advantage. 516 00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:43,910 Adam's gonna be the one to film this. 517 00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:47,580 Is there any specific way that you want to film this 518 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:49,850 to get the most result you possibly can? 519 00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:52,440 'Cause we're really, really desperate 520 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,370 to find out what's in this house 521 00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:55,680 and what's affecting this family, 522 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,260 especially this little girl. 523 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:59,990 - Well, to answer your first part of your question, 524 00:23:59,990 --> 00:24:02,547 have we ever been out to an investigation? 525 00:24:02,547 --> 00:24:03,690 The answer is no. 526 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:05,820 I'm not really comfortable with bein' here. 527 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:08,180 I was scared that I would actually see somethin'. 528 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:11,860 And, honestly, I don't wanna see anything. 529 00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:13,440 - I can sense you're very nervous. 530 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,970 - Oh, I'm completely nervous. 531 00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:16,880 - Do you have any specific instruction 532 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,210 with how you want him to film? 533 00:24:18,210 --> 00:24:20,260 And then, we're just gonna go ahead and do a walk through. 534 00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:22,150 - Yeah, I mean, if you can just kind of follow me, 535 00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:25,260 and, you know, and I can kinda tell you how it would work. 536 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:26,840 Basically, we always start on the 537 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,110 right side of a room when you come in. 538 00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:31,720 So, and even though you're heading 539 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,890 to the right side of the room, 540 00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:35,020 you wanna work your way around. 541 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:37,830 But you always want to have the camera pointed 542 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:38,900 to the center of the room. 543 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,770 So, you come in, and you pan around. 544 00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,370 And once you start comin' to the center of the room. 545 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:47,070 Right, you pan back to the center, 546 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:49,593 and then you will walk your way around. 547 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,335 And always pause when you get to an area 548 00:24:54,335 --> 00:24:57,020 that is blocked off, like a corner, 549 00:24:57,020 --> 00:24:59,650 some place that has three side to it. 550 00:24:59,650 --> 00:25:02,960 You always wanna pan that area, hit that, 551 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,380 and then continue on. 552 00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:09,110 One, two, three sides, pause, hit that, 553 00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:11,000 and continue on over. 554 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,330 You do the same thing here. 555 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:17,890 You always count one, two, three, pause, pan. 556 00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:19,970 So, you continue around the room, 557 00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:21,630 and when you get back towards the doorway, 558 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:24,893 you wanna work your way back towards the center again. 559 00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:30,030 And then, when you come out, back your way out of that room. 560 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:32,840 Because what happens is, when we come up the steps, 561 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760 they all wanna see what's goin' on. 562 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,990 And what's interesting is they don't, 563 00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:41,470 they look with a different set of eyes than we do. 564 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:45,300 They no longer have a visual cortex 565 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,890 that's in the back of our heads. 566 00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:48,730 With this vision, they don't have 567 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:51,090 to use their eyes to look around corners. 568 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:54,740 They do it because it's human nature to do that. 569 00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:56,810 - And this is from all your years of experience. 570 00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:57,910 You've seen this. 571 00:25:57,910 --> 00:26:00,350 You know how it is they try to avoid detection. 572 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,630 - Yeah, this room, I'm almost positive 573 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:04,020 that we'll get somethin' out of this room, 574 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:07,910 just because, once again, you see, not a messy room. 575 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:10,050 We just, had just, it just has a lot of clutter. 576 00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:11,309 - There's so many places to hide here. 577 00:26:11,309 --> 00:26:13,990 - Absolutely, and, listen, they don't. 578 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:15,716 We're not gonna run them out of here. 579 00:26:15,716 --> 00:26:16,549 - [Steve] Right. 580 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:18,040 - So, they'll just hide. 581 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,023 And camouflage. 582 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,950 Let me go this way. 583 00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:29,990 So, when I came up here to look around earlier, 584 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,370 I didn't wanna look at much 585 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,210 because I'm not a ghost hunter. 586 00:26:36,210 --> 00:26:37,180 You know, I'm a researcher, 587 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:40,160 and as a researcher, I like my job. 588 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,373 I like that task. 589 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,170 As a kid, I mean, Scooby Doo scared me. 590 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:50,820 So, you can imagine to come to a real ghost house. 591 00:26:50,820 --> 00:26:55,820 So, a hallway like this is good to catch 'em in because why? 592 00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:01,630 It's long, and it's a good place for them to travel between. 593 00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:03,480 For some reason, they like hallways. 594 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,480 And sometimes a hallway will be just that, 595 00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:09,670 a place to get away. 596 00:27:09,670 --> 00:27:10,687 So, but thank you. 597 00:27:10,687 --> 00:27:12,650 - [Steve] Ah, for sure, for sure. 598 00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:14,460 We'll get that footage to you right away. 599 00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:16,680 - Yep, let me know how it happens. 600 00:27:29,662 --> 00:27:32,162 (eerie music) 601 00:27:37,877 --> 00:27:40,544 (ominous music) 602 00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:50,270 - I thought of something that I don't believe 603 00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:53,310 I told you originally, something that we found 604 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,760 about a year after we bought the house. 605 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,930 We were going to be putting some new GFIs in our bathroom, 606 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:05,390 and when trying to locate the power source, 607 00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:07,840 we weren't able to originally find it 608 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,213 looking in the basement. 609 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,020 There was no way to access under the bathroom. 610 00:28:15,020 --> 00:28:16,360 So, we found this closet. 611 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,510 There was some linoleum on the floor here. 612 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:22,980 And we pulled it up, and we found this access right here. 613 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:26,793 And when we pulled it up, 614 00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:32,030 we found just this big hole. 615 00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:34,660 We think maybe it was used as a cistern 616 00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:36,650 for the original house. 617 00:28:36,650 --> 00:28:39,960 My two sons, when they were probably eight or nine, 618 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,600 they climbed down in here and came across a man's shoe. 619 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,670 We thought that was odd. 620 00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:45,740 It shouldn't be down there. 621 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:48,500 And a couple minutes later, they pull up a woman's shoe, 622 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,720 and that was when we decided, 623 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,000 you know what, maybe you should just 624 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,980 get out of there and stop diggin'. 625 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:56,310 We don't want you to be findin' 626 00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:58,390 anything else that may be down there. 627 00:28:58,390 --> 00:29:00,109 - And this can't be accessed through the basement 628 00:29:00,109 --> 00:29:01,014 or any other part of the house? 629 00:29:01,014 --> 00:29:02,090 - You can't, no, nope. 630 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:05,010 You can't access it from outside, inside. 631 00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:07,190 The only way you can access some plumbing 632 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:10,140 and some of the electrical is through this panel, 633 00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:13,060 and to completely cover it up, it's kind of odd. 634 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:15,500 - And after the bizarre discoveries from your children, 635 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,010 you pretty much told them no more. 636 00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:18,960 - Yeah, no more, and, yeah, we closed it up. 637 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,640 And nobody's been down there since. 638 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,450 And that was like 10 years ago. 639 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:25,520 How or why all of this would be down here. 640 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,997 - [Steve] Yeah, that doesn't quite add up, does it? 641 00:29:26,997 --> 00:29:28,490 - [Stephanie] No, it doesn't. 642 00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:30,690 - [Steve] I think that needs to be explored. 643 00:29:34,731 --> 00:29:37,731 (mellow rock music) 644 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:58,152 - So, I'm gettin' ready to go underneath the house 645 00:30:58,152 --> 00:31:01,140 in what the family describes as a cistern 646 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:03,940 that they found while trying to upgrade 647 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:06,090 the electrical in the first floor bathroom. 648 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:09,370 When they lifted the floor, lifted this flooring up, 649 00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:11,140 they found an access hole. 650 00:31:11,140 --> 00:31:12,930 The kids went down into the space. 651 00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:15,780 Evidently, at some point, they found some shoes, 652 00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:19,820 and having found the bones in the yard prior to that, 653 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:23,200 they were leery about lettin' the kids go back down there. 654 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,510 Stephanie told them not to do that anymore. 655 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:28,500 So, we're gonna go check it out. 656 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,081 We think it's very odd to the case and might have something, 657 00:31:32,081 --> 00:31:33,930 it might yield some evidence for us. 658 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,737 So, I'm gettin' ready to go down and check it out. 659 00:31:50,764 --> 00:31:53,431 (ominous music) 660 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:57,213 - See? 661 00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:01,500 As soon as we got to this hallway, he stopped. 662 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:04,280 I could not get his attention off of these stairs. 663 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,650 I was here for a few minutes, and then I notice 664 00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:09,310 the temperature just completely dropped. 665 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:11,020 I could probably almost see my breath. 666 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:13,240 - [Steve] And his focus was right down these stairs? 667 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,073 - [Jamie] Yes. 668 00:32:14,073 --> 00:32:15,060 - Was there any other type of sounds? 669 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:17,850 Or was there anything that went in conjunction with this or? 670 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:22,310 - It kinda sounded like someone was down on the landing 671 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:27,310 area down there, like shuffling type of scratching sound, 672 00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:30,200 but other than that, not really. 673 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,610 - My name is Steve. 674 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:33,050 This is my friend Jamie. 675 00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:35,660 We have a special guest here tonight, Archer. 676 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:38,320 Were you gonna come up and maybe pay him a visit? 677 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,210 Maybe pet the dog? 678 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:40,960 Is that what you were tryin' to do? 679 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,913 It's okay. 680 00:32:43,823 --> 00:32:45,690 (suspenseful music) 681 00:32:45,690 --> 00:32:48,490 Can you come up the stairs here and communicate with us? 682 00:32:51,474 --> 00:32:54,057 (Adam sighing) 683 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,043 - Wow, look at all the old paint cans and broken glass. 684 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,453 This is insane. 685 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,090 I'm gonna set my camera down. 686 00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:11,623 Check this out some. 687 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:20,260 Some old paper, let's check that out. 688 00:33:24,527 --> 00:33:27,230 "Fire on Brockway Street, accident." 689 00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:28,313 No date on it. 690 00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:32,933 This here. 691 00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,117 "Carbon tetrachloride. 692 00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:39,597 "Poison, danger." 693 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,360 - We are friends of the family that currently own the house, 694 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,070 Tom and Stephanie Braley. 695 00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:47,320 We're gonna be spending a lot of hours here, 696 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400 many, many days. 697 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,130 So, if you're curious about who we are and what we're doing, 698 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:55,803 you could simply communicate with us, try to contact us. 699 00:33:59,870 --> 00:34:02,020 Can you tell me your name please? 700 00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:03,920 We introduced ourselves. 701 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,810 Who are we trying to contact? 702 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:07,073 Who are we speaking with? 703 00:34:08,539 --> 00:34:10,913 - Look at this, pruning shears. 704 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:13,790 These are newer. 705 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:15,760 Stephanie said it'd been over 10 years 706 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,190 since somebody's been down here. 707 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:19,023 Bizarre. 708 00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:24,390 Just a lot of old, broken glass. 709 00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:25,523 This is crazy. 710 00:34:33,078 --> 00:34:34,528 I think I found the old shoe. 711 00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:36,923 It's old leather. 712 00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:40,463 It has to be 70, 80 years old. 713 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:46,530 Oh, look at that. 714 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,130 Scratches all over the wall. 715 00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:51,360 - You know, it's not very nice 716 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,360 to rattle this door and do this kind of thing 717 00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:01,990 because the people that are in there are trying to sleep. 718 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,870 And it scares them. 719 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,730 Are you trying to cause turmoil? 720 00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:13,060 - These scratches all run up and down. 721 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:14,153 They're all vertical. 722 00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:17,510 I wonder if these pruning shears. 723 00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:25,480 Oh, they've been there a while too. 724 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,030 Pruning shears don't make that. 725 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,640 They're about two and a half feet off the, off the floor. 726 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,473 Two feet. 727 00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:42,970 They're not consistent with an animal though. 728 00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:44,570 They're not. 729 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:45,597 There's no pattern to it. 730 00:35:45,597 --> 00:35:47,520 You know, there's no three or four. 731 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,743 There's no paw or claw that's makin' that. 732 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,863 I wonder if it's glass. 733 00:35:56,505 --> 00:35:57,338 Oh. 734 00:35:58,581 --> 00:36:01,331 (scraping sound) 735 00:36:04,416 --> 00:36:07,333 (glass clattering) 736 00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:09,363 Oh, my God. 737 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:13,033 I wonder if somebody was locked down here. 738 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,180 These soup cans, is that how somebody ate? 739 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:20,470 Why are all these soup cans down here? 740 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:23,150 I wonder if this is why this was sealed up. 741 00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:26,050 If the previous owners here had sealed this up 742 00:36:26,050 --> 00:36:27,360 because they found it. 743 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,500 Because maybe they were experiencing some of the same things 744 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:32,540 in this house, and if they thought that this was 745 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:35,380 a source of some of it, if they sealed it up, 746 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:37,260 it'd go away, right? 747 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:38,163 - Who are you? 748 00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:42,863 You need to identify yourself right now. 749 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,860 What do you want with this family? 750 00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:50,173 With this house? 751 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:52,460 Are you Victor? 752 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,560 Are you the little boy that Sabina's seen? 753 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,633 (door clattering) 754 00:37:07,517 --> 00:37:08,807 Holy shit. 755 00:37:08,807 --> 00:37:10,057 - [Jamie] Dude. 756 00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:13,060 - I hate to think what we're gonna find, 757 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:15,770 but I think we owe it to the investigation 758 00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:17,890 to uncover what we can. 759 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:21,470 As much as I don't want to, it's time to start diggin'. 760 00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:23,460 I'm gonna reposition this camera here. 761 00:37:26,653 --> 00:37:29,653 (suspenseful music) 762 00:37:32,536 --> 00:37:35,369 (shovel scraping) 763 00:37:49,205 --> 00:37:51,052 What is that? 764 00:37:51,052 --> 00:37:53,885 (shovel scraping) 765 00:37:59,923 --> 00:38:01,006 What is that? 766 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,503 What do you suppose this is? 767 00:38:06,575 --> 00:38:07,680 - You know, I was pretty apprehensive 768 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,400 about bringing Archer here tonight, 769 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560 but I've lived in haunted places before. 770 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,610 And unfortunately for him, seeing spirits is nothing new. 771 00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:19,590 I figured I would just start by walking around the house 772 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,610 and seeing if he hit on any specific areas. 773 00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:26,440 He went crazy when we got to the servant stairs 774 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:27,620 in the back of the house. 775 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:29,120 As soon as we got back there, 776 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,920 he would not take his eyes off the bottom 777 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,500 of those stairs and the landing around it. 778 00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,520 Animals in general have a sixth sense 779 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,250 when it comes to these types of things. 780 00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:41,510 And even if you and I can't see it, they can. 781 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:43,190 And it's there, and it's real. 782 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:44,840 And now that we're out of the area, 783 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,399 Archer is definitely relieved to say the least. 784 00:38:48,399 --> 00:38:49,340 (shovel scraping) 785 00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:52,142 - I'm finding a lot of the same thing in this spot here. 786 00:38:52,142 --> 00:38:54,357 It's all this slag and stuff, 787 00:38:54,357 --> 00:38:56,750 and I think we've found what we're gonna find there. 788 00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:59,820 I think, I think what we need to do is 789 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,667 take what we found up and show Steve, 790 00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:04,323 and see where we go from here. 791 00:39:29,952 --> 00:39:31,030 (gentle piano music) 792 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:32,750 So, Steve, what we found down there, 793 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:34,610 it was really, really bizarre. 794 00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:36,800 There's no pattern to it to suggest 795 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,260 that it's an animal paw or claw. 796 00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:42,710 It's really quite random, but all at the same height 797 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:44,160 all the way across the wall. 798 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,360 - So, that's fairly low. 799 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,210 - It is very low. 800 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:49,680 And it's hard to think of, but I think 801 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,083 there was a kid locked in there. 802 00:39:52,083 --> 00:39:54,400 - You think there was a child locked down there? 803 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,810 - I, I really think that there 804 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,617 was a child locked down in there. 805 00:39:57,617 --> 00:39:59,350 - So, what supports that exactly? 806 00:39:59,350 --> 00:40:02,060 That's extremely interesting and very creepy. 807 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:06,440 - Being a full grown adult, to get to that level to do that, 808 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,570 I took a piece of glass that was on the floor, 809 00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:10,190 and I made a scratch in the wall. 810 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,080 It resembled that, but it was very uncomfortable 811 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,950 for me to get to that level. 812 00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:17,250 It'd be more consistent to me 813 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:21,940 that somebody smaller would have been making that mark. 814 00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:24,280 And it almost made me wonder, you know, 815 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,830 with all the soup cans and cans 816 00:40:26,830 --> 00:40:29,950 with different kinds of food. 817 00:40:29,950 --> 00:40:31,741 - I see where you're goin' with that. 818 00:40:31,741 --> 00:40:33,450 - Is (sighing). 819 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:34,990 - That's disturbing. 820 00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:37,250 - It, you know, makes my skin crawl. 821 00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:40,470 - We need to enhance these pictures, 822 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:42,520 get 'em blown up, really kinda study them. 823 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,820 Tom and Stephanie definitely need to see this. 824 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:49,823 (gentle piano music) 825 00:40:50,951 --> 00:40:53,618 (ominous music) 826 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:57,310 So, after you had showed us the hole located in the closet, 827 00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:59,260 we decided to send Adam down there. 828 00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:01,970 There was a lot of very interesting things. 829 00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:03,310 I want you to take a look at these 830 00:41:03,310 --> 00:41:07,593 photographs of the walls of the hole. 831 00:41:07,593 --> 00:41:09,570 And tell me what you see. 832 00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:11,140 - Oh, my God. 833 00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:14,300 There are scratches everywhere, like gashes. 834 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:15,240 Are they both the same? 835 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,073 - Yes. 836 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:21,310 - There are scratches all over the place. 837 00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:23,440 - So, you know, the first thought, I guess, 838 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,200 one would have is could it have been 839 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,100 a rodent, a raccoon, possum, whatever, 840 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,530 some type of animal that could somehow get in there? 841 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:31,830 - Oh, well, yeah, when you look at some of these, 842 00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:33,455 it looks like that could have been. 843 00:41:33,455 --> 00:41:34,288 - Right. 844 00:41:34,288 --> 00:41:35,770 - But when you see these ones, I mean, 845 00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:37,490 these are clearly not a rodent 846 00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:39,860 because they're, some are sideways. 847 00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:41,590 Some are up and down. 848 00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:42,700 - And there's no consistency. 849 00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:43,953 - There's zero consistency. 850 00:41:43,953 --> 00:41:45,536 - A paw or claw. - Like this, it's just, 851 00:41:45,536 --> 00:41:46,980 looks like somebody just. 852 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:48,560 - Right, especially this area here. 853 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,430 - Yeah, this one looks like what you'd 854 00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:52,960 see a little kid drawing with crayons. 855 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,996 - It's funny you would say that. 856 00:41:53,996 --> 00:41:56,750 Beyond these items here, there was dozens 857 00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:59,050 and dozens and dozens of food cans. 858 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:00,730 Was somebody kept there? 859 00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:02,840 - That would be, that would be horrifying to think 860 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,560 that somebody was put down in that 861 00:42:05,530 --> 00:42:07,080 as a punishment or anything. 862 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,913 - Right. 863 00:42:07,913 --> 00:42:09,320 - 'Cause I can only imagine. 864 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,320 I mean, there is no way to get in or out 865 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,750 other than that hole so it would be like complete darkness. 866 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:17,020 - [Steve] Pitch black. 867 00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,420 - [Stephanie] And with all the broken glass and, 868 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:23,112 that would just be horrifying. 869 00:42:23,112 --> 00:42:26,112 (suspenseful music) 870 00:42:28,695 --> 00:42:31,362 (ominous music) 871 00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:41,381 (eerie piano music) 872 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:23,633 - [Steve Gonsalves] So, you had 873 00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:26,110 said this is the son's bedroom. 874 00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:28,090 - Yep, this was the oldest son's bedroom. 875 00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:29,910 Actually, I believe both sons at one point 876 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:32,020 had stayed up here in this house, 877 00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:35,510 and what's super interesting is this here is an addition. 878 00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:37,120 It's right over the garage actually. 879 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,120 And this door here, they would say that 70 to 75% 880 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:45,633 of every night that they slept in here, this door. 881 00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:51,153 They would have it closed. 882 00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:53,639 And they would hear this. 883 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,120 (door rattling) 884 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,090 Just something shaking it, shaking it. 885 00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:58,700 And then, sometimes they would say 886 00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,530 it sounded like something would run up and slam against it. 887 00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:02,600 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 888 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,500 And they were terrified of this. 889 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:06,680 - [Steve Gonsalves] Now, is this a violent shaking? 890 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,370 Or is it, and did they see any of this action? 891 00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:12,670 - Yes, they would say that they would hear the doorknob, 892 00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:14,790 and sometimes when this light was on out here, 893 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,000 they would see what looked like feet moving back and forth. 894 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,480 For the longest time, they would 895 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,030 run out there and try to catch it. 896 00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:22,790 The eldest son, when we interviewed him, 897 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:25,400 he said he actually moved out because of this. 898 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,720 And over here, him and his younger brother 899 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,620 were playing video games here one night. 900 00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:30,920 TV right here. 901 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,030 And they kept hearing crying outside. 902 00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:36,210 So, they would pause the game, kinda listen for a minute. 903 00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:37,810 Wouldn't here it, go back to playing. 904 00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:38,700 They heard it again. 905 00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,040 Well, about five minutes later, there's this huge bang 906 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,638 that kinda shakes the house, 907 00:44:43,638 --> 00:44:45,060 and then the alarm system goes off. 908 00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:48,370 So, they grab what they could find as makeshift weapons. 909 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:49,493 They come back here, 910 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:54,400 open up the door, and as they're getting ready 911 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,350 to go out here, the mom comes running in. 912 00:44:56,350 --> 00:44:58,070 And she thinks they set off the alarm. 913 00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:59,640 And after a few minutes, they realize 914 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,810 that the youngest daughter, Sabina, hadn't come out. 915 00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:03,200 They wanna go check on her. 916 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,660 And they run into the bedroom, 917 00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:07,010 open the curtains to her bed, and she's gone. 918 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:08,560 They get outside, and she's walking 919 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,880 right out into the street. 920 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,010 So, the mom screams her name, and she kinda freezes up. 921 00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:15,950 They get out to the road, and they stop her. 922 00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:17,620 And even though it's mid-July, 923 00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:18,740 the weather's super hot. 924 00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:19,960 That's why the windows were open 925 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,290 that they could hear the scream. 926 00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:23,920 They grab onto her, and she's ice cold. 927 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,350 They believe that in this house 928 00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:27,310 there are two specific entities. 929 00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:28,740 One of them is the child spirit 930 00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:30,100 of a little boy named Victor. 931 00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:32,570 After they tried to use spirit boards 932 00:45:32,570 --> 00:45:35,120 and things of that nature to try and contact Victor, 933 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,250 something else changed in the house. 934 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:39,900 All of a sudden, you know, the doors are slamming. 935 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,260 More aggression, completely different vibe. 936 00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:44,510 But at the same time, Victor remains. 937 00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:47,010 So, they believe possibly they opened up something 938 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,210 by trying to communicate. 939 00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:50,380 You know, maybe there's something that wasn't good, 940 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:52,930 or malicious, was taking her out, 941 00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,730 and perhaps something else in the house 942 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:56,280 was trying to alert the family. 943 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,420 - You know what would be pretty awesome? 944 00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:09,433 We should put the REM pod on the other side of the door. 945 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,890 So, imagine if that started shaking. 946 00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:15,333 At the same time, the REM pod started going off. 947 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,440 That would be quite a nice piece of evidence 948 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,890 to let us know that there was something 949 00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:23,800 related to energy on the other side of the door. 950 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,000 - Yeah, we can try that. 951 00:46:57,183 --> 00:46:58,016 Did you feel somethin'? 952 00:46:58,016 --> 00:46:59,050 - I did, yeah. 953 00:46:59,050 --> 00:47:00,273 I did actually. 954 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:09,449 It was kinda bizarre actually. 955 00:47:09,449 --> 00:47:12,949 (object rolling on floor) 956 00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:15,853 - [Steve] Where would that even come from? 957 00:47:15,853 --> 00:47:19,393 - I don't know what that was or where that came from. 958 00:47:25,506 --> 00:47:28,173 - It looks like a little marble. 959 00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:32,500 - Well, where did this come from? 960 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,980 I didn't see this anywhere. 961 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:35,813 - I didn't either, and what's weird is 962 00:47:35,813 --> 00:47:38,680 it didn't sound like it fell and bounced. 963 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,930 It kinda sounded like it just kinda came rolling. 964 00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:43,130 - All of a sudden, all of the sudden, exactly. 965 00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:44,330 It just started rolling. 966 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:46,530 How'd that even happen? 967 00:47:55,416 --> 00:47:56,600 (ominous music) 968 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,330 I was investigating the son's room with Mr. Shippy, 969 00:47:59,330 --> 00:48:03,210 and we decided to try to see what could 970 00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:06,210 possibly explain the fact that the door 971 00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:09,550 is shaking and slamming and what not. 972 00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:11,380 And not much can really explain that 973 00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:14,290 because the amount of force they're claiming to see. 974 00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:16,330 So, as we're messing with that door 975 00:48:16,330 --> 00:48:19,320 and trying to figure it out, I felt, 976 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,800 to me what felt like some string behind my neck, 977 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,270 maybe hitting it or a piece of cotton or something. 978 00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:28,640 I don't really know how to explain it. 979 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,500 So, I just started to lean back 980 00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,980 to see if I could feel the sensation that I was feeling. 981 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:37,890 And just then, a small marble started 982 00:48:37,890 --> 00:48:40,530 rolling straight forward, which was strange 983 00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:42,350 because if it had fallen to the floor, 984 00:48:42,350 --> 00:48:44,160 I most certainly would have heard that. 985 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,130 And we all would have heard that distinct sound 986 00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:47,681 of it hitting the floor and maybe even 987 00:48:47,681 --> 00:48:52,681 bouncing a little bit, but it was literally just the roll. 988 00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:56,516 (REM pod alert sounding) 989 00:49:04,809 --> 00:49:07,476 (ominous music) 990 00:49:10,857 --> 00:49:13,890 So, this would be, I guess, where Victor would walk up. 991 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:15,470 Are they just thinking that's what happened, 992 00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:17,470 or is she recalling that's what happened? 993 00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:19,070 - [Steve] No, she recalls that's what happened. 994 00:49:19,070 --> 00:49:20,803 - [Steve Gonsalves] She recalls that's what happened. 995 00:49:20,803 --> 00:49:21,686 - Absolutely. 996 00:49:21,686 --> 00:49:24,000 She became very terrified of her own bedroom 997 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,550 and would see the little boy come into the room 998 00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:29,930 and stand basically right beside the bed. 999 00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:31,510 And she would just roll over or pull 1000 00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:34,580 the covers over her face, you know, very afraid. 1001 00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:36,230 And this went on several times. 1002 00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:38,210 Again, once they started to use the spirit board, 1003 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:39,910 and things changed, they would hear 1004 00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:43,840 really heavy footsteps coming up the hallway. 1005 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,460 And then, she would cover her face, you know, very fearful. 1006 00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:48,700 So, she knew by, of course, the sound 1007 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,050 and just the whole demeanor of it, 1008 00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:51,400 that it was something different. 1009 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,330 And then, the family basically out of desperation 1010 00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:57,020 ask the bishop from the local Catholic church to come here. 1011 00:49:57,020 --> 00:50:00,520 So, he comes up here, performs an entire blessing 1012 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,480 on the room, all the different corners, 1013 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,640 the dresser, and does what he does. 1014 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,810 And then puts, you know, the family at ease essentially. 1015 00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:11,410 Then, when he leaves, the family walks him out, 1016 00:50:11,410 --> 00:50:12,480 and they come up here. 1017 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,350 They go to put her to bed, and everything you see here, 1018 00:50:15,350 --> 00:50:17,790 all of her dolls, all these pictures, 1019 00:50:17,790 --> 00:50:20,440 mirrors, everything is all knocked down. 1020 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,170 So, they think everything's fine, everything's peaceful. 1021 00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:24,530 Let's put Sabina to bed. 1022 00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:26,280 Come up here, and then they have to see this. 1023 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,113 - [Steve Gonsalves] Everything is down. 1024 00:50:27,113 --> 00:50:30,140 - So, needless to say, the peace of mind left very quickly. 1025 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,440 - There's so many layers. 1026 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,920 It's like an onion, you know. 1027 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,610 You really have to peel them all back 1028 00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:38,670 and really get to the essence of what is going on 1029 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:40,530 'cause there's so many variables. 1030 00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:42,680 You know, maybe Victor was getting her out of here 1031 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,700 so that she wasn't dealing with what he interprets 1032 00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,240 as the other, you know, spirits 1033 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,700 who are after him or whatever. 1034 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:50,533 Who knows? 1035 00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:51,400 - [Steve] Yeah, trying to warn the girl, 1036 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,900 trying to warn the family. 1037 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:54,440 That's the thing is there's. - You never know. 1038 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,810 - So much to this case. 1039 00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:57,960 There's a body in the yard. 1040 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,670 There is several confirmed deaths in the house. 1041 00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:04,450 It all. (pounding sound) 1042 00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:05,783 - What was that? 1043 00:51:26,158 --> 00:51:29,408 (floorboards creaking) 1044 00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:32,113 Hello? 1045 00:51:34,502 --> 00:51:37,169 (ominous music) 1046 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:41,070 We're investigating in Sabina's room 1047 00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:44,080 and just talking about how they communicated 1048 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,800 with Victor or supposedly communicated with Victor 1049 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,700 through a spirit board or a ouija board of some sort. 1050 00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:54,090 And as we're discussing that and what 1051 00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:56,750 Victor's intentions may have been, 1052 00:51:56,750 --> 00:52:00,400 we started to hear some loud banging sounds. 1053 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,850 And, you know, what could that be? 1054 00:52:01,850 --> 00:52:04,020 Could it have been footsteps? 1055 00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,250 Could it have been just some sort of, you know, 1056 00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,110 banging to get our attention? 1057 00:52:08,110 --> 00:52:10,510 I'm not too sure, but it was loud. 1058 00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:11,410 It was distinct. 1059 00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:14,030 It was reverberating within the wood 1060 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:17,060 of this structure here in the house. 1061 00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:18,360 And so, Steve and I, of course, 1062 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,660 went immediately towards these sounds, 1063 00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:24,730 and once we got to the crest of the stairs 1064 00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:27,560 there looking down the staircase, 1065 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,470 we heard what sounded like some shuffling 1066 00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:33,650 or movement or as if something was, you know, 1067 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:35,810 approaching and sort of stopped. 1068 00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:37,260 It was pretty interesting. 1069 00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:40,800 We didn't get much more after that, 1070 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,690 but just that in and of itself. 1071 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,090 You know, what could that be? 1072 00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:45,340 Something was alerting us. 1073 00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:48,150 Something was trying to get our attention, 1074 00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:51,213 and we need to figure out what that is. 1075 00:52:57,140 --> 00:52:58,190 - [Steve] What is it? 1076 00:53:05,168 --> 00:53:07,251 (crying) 1077 00:53:13,876 --> 00:53:16,481 (ominous music) 1078 00:53:16,481 --> 00:53:18,490 - So, while we were up here in the second floor 1079 00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:22,190 doing my interview for the investigation we'd just done, 1080 00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:27,190 we heard some crying or sobbing or moaning of some sort 1081 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,340 coming from downstairs. 1082 00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:29,180 It was pretty awesome. 1083 00:53:29,180 --> 00:53:30,130 It was pretty loud. 1084 00:53:31,272 --> 00:53:33,890 And so, we decided to split up. 1085 00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:37,404 Have one investigator go downstairs, that's Steve Shippy. 1086 00:53:37,404 --> 00:53:39,530 You know, that puts somebody closer to the source, 1087 00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:44,020 but also keeps somebody up here where we were 1088 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:46,910 just in case that's what triggered the sound. 1089 00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:48,450 Then, having somebody down there 1090 00:53:48,450 --> 00:53:50,710 that can be closer to it and hear it 1091 00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:53,623 and analyze it will be valuable as well. 1092 00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:00,908 - Why does it seem that every time we are 1093 00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:05,560 in Sabina's room something seems to happen? 1094 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,110 Why do we hear footsteps? 1095 00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:09,190 We've heard voices. 1096 00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:10,373 We've heard crying. 1097 00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:14,263 Is going into her room, is it, does it bother you? 1098 00:54:16,340 --> 00:54:18,940 Does it bother you that Steve is in there right now? 1099 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,210 - Is there something about Sabina that draws you to her? 1100 00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:26,713 Or is it this room? 1101 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,920 Do you not like people in this room, 1102 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,403 or do you not like people around Sabina? 1103 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:40,843 Oh. 1104 00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:54,270 - There's been a lot of intrigue to your lure to Sabina. 1105 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,483 Is it protection? 1106 00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:59,893 Or is there another reason? 1107 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:02,333 - [Steve Gonsalves] EMF is going 1108 00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:04,870 a little, a little bonkers up here. 1109 00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:06,040 - [Steve] I got a K-II meter here. 1110 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,363 I can turn this one on. 1111 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:13,730 - [Steve Gonsalves] It's still all under a 1.0, but it's 1112 00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:15,813 still going from .2 to .7. 1113 00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:19,070 This is a bit out of the ordinary. 1114 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,583 - Are you here with us tonight? 1115 00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:34,450 Are you watching what we're doing? 1116 00:55:36,490 --> 00:55:38,103 Wondering where Sabina went? 1117 00:55:42,365 --> 00:55:43,198 - [Steve Gonsalves] Do you like it 1118 00:55:43,198 --> 00:55:44,393 better when Sabina's here? 1119 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,890 - Maybe you're not even worried about Sabina. 1120 00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:52,223 Is it Victor that you're more concerned with? 1121 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,030 We'd like to know what you're crying. 1122 00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:57,640 I feel like you were definitely 1123 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,683 trying to get our attention with that. 1124 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,070 Are you sad that Sabina's gone, that the family's gone? 1125 00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:11,983 Or does it have nothing to do with this family at all? 1126 00:56:15,047 --> 00:56:18,297 (floorboards creaking) 1127 00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:23,070 - Are you coming up to see me? 1128 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,410 I'm in Sabina's room. 1129 00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:30,133 That's the upstairs bedroom. 1130 00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:37,713 EMF just started fluctuating, 1131 00:56:39,727 --> 00:56:41,330 .2 to 1.1. 1132 00:56:45,064 --> 00:56:48,314 (floorboards creaking) 1133 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,660 - [Steve] Steve, you're not movin' around 1134 00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:53,060 right now up there, are you? 1135 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:56,170 - No, but just as you say that, 1136 00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:58,873 I just heard movement behind me. 1137 00:57:00,170 --> 00:57:01,753 - Are you up there right now? 1138 00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,593 Can you make somethin' move? 1139 00:57:12,326 --> 00:57:15,576 (floorboards creaking) 1140 00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:31,390 - Literally, I started hearing shuffling 1141 00:57:31,390 --> 00:57:33,663 or some sort of movement behind me, 1142 00:57:34,610 --> 00:57:38,820 and I turned my head to look in that direction. 1143 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:41,510 And then, you literally asked at that second, 1144 00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:43,600 am I moving around up here? 1145 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,490 - [Steve] Yeah, down here it sounded like somebody 1146 00:57:45,490 --> 00:57:47,970 was kinda quietly walking, and I didn't know 1147 00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:49,900 if you'd gotten up to maybe see something. 1148 00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,220 So, - No. 1149 00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:52,710 - [Steve] I waited just a moment, 1150 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:53,810 but it didn't sound like you. 1151 00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:56,283 I didn't hear your chair creak or anything else. 1152 00:58:02,786 --> 00:58:05,453 (ominous music) 1153 00:58:07,688 --> 00:58:10,688 (eerie piano music) 1154 00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,150 - [Steve Gonsalves] After just being here for one night, 1155 00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:18,310 you know, it's hard to draw any conclusions 1156 00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:20,280 or really say anything other than, 1157 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,340 you know, we did have some experiences. 1158 00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:25,770 I did hear footsteps walking right in front of me. 1159 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:28,550 So, if I had another, say, three or four days here 1160 00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:31,273 or a week here, who knows what we would uncover? 1161 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:47,090 - Jamie, are you ready? 1162 00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:49,510 Josh? 1163 00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:50,343 Let's go. 1164 00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:57,850 Victor, we have two very, very important 1165 00:58:57,850 --> 00:59:01,080 messages to deliver to you tonight. 1166 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,850 Please come toward the sound of my voice 1167 00:59:03,850 --> 00:59:06,233 and join us here in this room. 1168 00:59:13,261 --> 00:59:16,094 (paper crinkling) 1169 00:59:19,587 --> 00:59:22,237 "Victor, first of all, I would like 1170 00:59:22,237 --> 00:59:25,057 "to thank you for sharing your home with us. 1171 00:59:25,057 --> 00:59:27,417 "It must be very hard to have different people 1172 00:59:27,417 --> 00:59:30,167 "coming and going from your home all the time. 1173 00:59:30,167 --> 00:59:32,547 "Being so young when you passed away, 1174 00:59:32,547 --> 00:59:35,107 "that is something I cannot imagine. 1175 00:59:35,107 --> 00:59:38,027 "The extreme emotions that both you and your family 1176 00:59:38,027 --> 00:59:41,047 "went through must have been overwhelming and horrific. 1177 00:59:41,047 --> 00:59:43,247 "Did you not want to leave your family? 1178 00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:45,477 "Is that why you still remain here? 1179 00:59:45,477 --> 00:59:48,277 "Or do you have some unfinished business? 1180 00:59:48,277 --> 00:59:50,370 "Whatever the reason, you are here. 1181 00:59:50,370 --> 00:59:53,317 "Whether it's out of fear or confusion, 1182 00:59:53,317 --> 00:59:54,967 "my heart breaks for you. 1183 00:59:54,967 --> 00:59:58,347 "You have stayed and watched your loved ones move on, 1184 00:59:58,347 --> 01:00:01,517 "grow old, and ultimately pass on. 1185 01:00:01,517 --> 01:00:04,077 "So, in closing, I just want you to know 1186 01:00:04,077 --> 01:00:08,107 "that no one here hates you or wishes that you would leave. 1187 01:00:08,107 --> 01:00:11,527 "We just wish that you would find peace. 1188 01:00:11,527 --> 01:00:12,707 "Love, Stephanie." 1189 01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:27,363 This letter, Victor, is from Sabina. 1190 01:00:35,052 --> 01:00:37,885 (paper crinkling) 1191 01:00:40,177 --> 01:00:42,827 "Victor, hi, this is me, Sabina. 1192 01:00:42,827 --> 01:00:44,147 "I know you're just young 1193 01:00:44,147 --> 01:00:46,077 "and just a little boy in this house, 1194 01:00:46,077 --> 01:00:48,797 "but I think you should try to find your parents. 1195 01:00:48,797 --> 01:00:52,067 "I think they miss you, and you probably miss them too. 1196 01:00:52,067 --> 01:00:53,947 "I hope you can find your family 1197 01:00:53,947 --> 01:00:57,217 "and be happy, happier than you are now. 1198 01:00:57,217 --> 01:01:00,057 "Good luck, Sabina." 1199 01:01:10,810 --> 01:01:14,230 Victor, as you can see and hear, 1200 01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:16,250 the family that lives here now, 1201 01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:18,930 they care about you, very much. 1202 01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:21,200 They don't know why you still remain, 1203 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,290 but the fact is you do. 1204 01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:26,910 Stephanie and Sabina said that they tried to contact you, 1205 01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:30,560 and they feel that you tried to communicate with them. 1206 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,123 And perhaps something stopped you. 1207 01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:46,393 Charlie, no. 1208 01:01:48,810 --> 01:01:52,233 Victor, Victor, are you here with us tonight? 1209 01:01:56,380 --> 01:02:01,283 Is somebody else, someone like you in this house? 1210 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,450 Come on, Victor, you can communicate with us. 1211 01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:10,980 All you have to do is move these pencils. 1212 01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:13,583 Move the pencil to yes or no. 1213 01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:18,773 We really, really wanna help you, 1214 01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:23,597 to get you with your family and the people that love you 1215 01:02:23,597 --> 01:02:25,323 and the people that you love. 1216 01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:30,740 When Sabina and her mother were 1217 01:02:30,740 --> 01:02:34,790 playing this game with you, they had asked the question, 1218 01:02:34,790 --> 01:02:38,010 are there others here besides you? 1219 01:02:38,010 --> 01:02:41,480 They said that the pencils started going to yes 1220 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,470 and then struggled back down and go back and forth. 1221 01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:47,913 Was somebody trying to stop you from answering? 1222 01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:00,473 Did you hear that? 1223 01:03:00,473 --> 01:03:01,983 That was like rumbling. 1224 01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:06,580 Victor, please, whoever's trying to stop you 1225 01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:09,970 from answering the question, don't listen to them. 1226 01:03:09,970 --> 01:03:11,613 Do not be afraid of them. 1227 01:03:14,780 --> 01:03:16,303 Victor, are you here? 1228 01:03:29,691 --> 01:03:32,858 (piano chord playing) 1229 01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:43,903 Victor? 1230 01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:47,373 That's it. 1231 01:03:47,373 --> 01:03:49,673 You can communicate with us just like this. 1232 01:03:51,210 --> 01:03:52,433 Can you hit it again? 1233 01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:57,210 Hit it for yes. 1234 01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:59,640 Victor, are you alone, or is there 1235 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,528 somebody else here with you? 1236 01:04:01,528 --> 01:04:03,110 (noise from above) 1237 01:04:03,110 --> 01:04:03,943 Upstairs. 1238 01:04:10,739 --> 01:04:13,406 (beeping sound) 1239 01:04:24,385 --> 01:04:27,552 (alarm clock beeping) 1240 01:04:45,633 --> 01:04:48,300 (ominous music) 1241 01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:19,653 - I'm very aware of something that's more, 1242 01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:25,510 a little bit darker, and the energy that I keep feeling 1243 01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:29,480 is that they're not real happy 1244 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,180 that there's this childlike loving energy that's here. 1245 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,870 - So, this is obviously Sabina's room. 1246 01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:46,680 Tell me what, what you're feeling. 1247 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,750 - My hair is totally standing on end, 1248 01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:52,530 like anxiety, and I can't breathe in here. 1249 01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:55,890 When I walked in here, not only is the anxiety high, 1250 01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:58,070 but it's almost like it's dead energy. 1251 01:05:58,070 --> 01:05:59,500 It's dead air. 1252 01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:01,590 - When we were comin' up the servant stairs, 1253 01:06:01,590 --> 01:06:03,440 I noticed you kind of faltered 1254 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,572 for a minute and didn't say anything. 1255 01:06:05,572 --> 01:06:06,740 What was going on there? 1256 01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:10,570 - I hit that top step, and I was leaning forward. 1257 01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:13,300 And suddenly, it was almost like something 1258 01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:17,270 pushed me backwards, and I literally started losing my. 1259 01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:19,570 Like, I almost fell all the way down the stairs. 1260 01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:21,070 That wasn't an accident. 1261 01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:23,040 That wasn't me being clumsy. 1262 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,200 That wasn't an accident. 1263 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,030 Something was trying to stop me at the top of those stairs. 1264 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:29,180 - What do you think it is? 1265 01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:31,280 I mean, we know there's a child spirit in this house. 1266 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,360 I mean, at this point, (banging sound) 1267 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:33,400 what was that? 1268 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,372 - Did you just hear that? 1269 01:06:34,372 --> 01:06:36,510 - Yes, that came from that way. 1270 01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:37,970 - That was a loud thump. 1271 01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:39,680 It sounds like somebody just walked 1272 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,610 through the door and let it slam. 1273 01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:43,040 - You might wanna stand over here 1274 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,296 and be able to keep your line of sight that way. 1275 01:06:45,296 --> 01:06:47,160 - Ah, yeah, because this is gettin' 1276 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,030 even crazier by the minute here. 1277 01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:50,670 So, I'm gonna tell you. 1278 01:06:50,670 --> 01:06:52,650 We've got the, we've got the child spirit, 1279 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:54,260 and it's a loving spirit. 1280 01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:58,570 What I ran into, or what tried to push me down the stairs, 1281 01:06:58,570 --> 01:07:00,850 and what I feel in here, (thumping sound) 1282 01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:01,803 which is. 1283 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,110 - That shoe came off the rack. 1284 01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:06,410 Are you guys getting that? 1285 01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:11,340 That just came right off there right next to T. 1286 01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:12,470 - He's here. 1287 01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:14,110 He's standing in the doorway, 1288 01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:16,530 and he stopped right in his tracks. 1289 01:07:16,530 --> 01:07:17,363 (floorboards creaking) 1290 01:07:17,363 --> 01:07:21,146 He's trying not to be noticed, and he stopped in his tracks. 1291 01:07:21,146 --> 01:07:23,263 - Are you getting any kind of idea 1292 01:07:23,263 --> 01:07:26,310 of what we're dealing with, what kind of spirit? 1293 01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:27,780 Male, female? - He's a. 1294 01:07:27,780 --> 01:07:28,890 He's definitely male. 1295 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:30,730 Tall, lanky, angry. 1296 01:07:30,730 --> 01:07:32,440 He doesn't like the kids playing. 1297 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,080 He doesn't like the happiness. 1298 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,870 He doesn't like that the daughter interacting 1299 01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:40,220 with the young child. 1300 01:07:40,220 --> 01:07:41,570 He's innocent. 1301 01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:43,950 This, he's not happy. 1302 01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:44,820 He doesn't like it. 1303 01:07:44,820 --> 01:07:47,210 He reminds me of an old, disgruntled man 1304 01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:49,590 that, you know, shut up, you little kids. 1305 01:07:49,590 --> 01:07:51,780 Be quiet, don't talk so loud. 1306 01:07:51,780 --> 01:07:52,613 Don't play. 1307 01:07:52,613 --> 01:07:55,330 He's just, he's not nice whatsoever. 1308 01:07:55,330 --> 01:07:57,220 - Do you think he's dangerous at this point? 1309 01:07:57,220 --> 01:07:59,280 - I would say that he borders 50/50. 1310 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,340 His patience wears thin real easy. 1311 01:08:03,340 --> 01:08:05,670 And the energy, it's, it can be like 1312 01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:10,510 kind of a brutal energy, a harsh, brutal energy 1313 01:08:10,510 --> 01:08:12,250 of just anger. 1314 01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:15,440 You know, somebody that is bitter, by themselves, 1315 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,453 doesn't have a. 1316 01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:21,380 The light just went. 1317 01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:22,213 - You okay? 1318 01:08:24,301 --> 01:08:25,940 (Adam sighing) 1319 01:08:25,940 --> 01:08:26,773 Are you alright? 1320 01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,513 - [Kelly] Adam, I swear you were 1321 01:08:29,513 --> 01:08:31,806 just now gettin' ready to pass out. 1322 01:08:31,806 --> 01:08:33,520 - And this light just burned out at the same time. 1323 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,690 - [Kelly] And it totally just burned out. 1324 01:08:34,690 --> 01:08:36,460 - Right here, get this. (Adam exhaling) 1325 01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:38,149 What did you feel? 1326 01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:38,982 - [Josh] You need to sit down? 1327 01:08:38,982 --> 01:08:40,612 - Yeah, sit, here, sit down for a quick second. 1328 01:08:40,612 --> 01:08:41,945 - Holy mackerel. 1329 01:08:44,707 --> 01:08:46,193 - [Steve] Here, we got this. 1330 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,730 Can you hold that for me? 1331 01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:50,563 - [Kelly] Yep. 1332 01:08:50,563 --> 01:08:51,396 - [Steve] What happened? 1333 01:08:51,396 --> 01:08:53,533 - I was watching in the screen. 1334 01:08:55,950 --> 01:09:00,930 And somethin', somethin' came through the screen. 1335 01:09:00,930 --> 01:09:03,217 Something black came right across the front of my, 1336 01:09:03,217 --> 01:09:05,293 between me and the screen. 1337 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,400 - We're getting a little too close to the truth. 1338 01:09:10,350 --> 01:09:13,460 This is what exactly what he's letting me feel 1339 01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:18,060 is that we're getting a little too close to the truth, 1340 01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:19,920 and he doesn't want it. 1341 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,960 He doesn't want it explained. 1342 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,800 - I asked you a moment ago if this thing was dangerous, 1343 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,350 and you were kind of on the fence. 1344 01:09:26,350 --> 01:09:28,286 - He's building energy. 1345 01:09:28,286 --> 01:09:29,950 - [Steve] What did you see exactly? 1346 01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:32,033 - It was, excuse me. 1347 01:09:33,808 --> 01:09:37,790 Right between where I'm holding the camera, 1348 01:09:37,790 --> 01:09:40,787 right between me and the camera, it almost like. 1349 01:09:40,787 --> 01:09:42,030 (noise like a moan) 1350 01:09:42,030 --> 01:09:43,321 - What the hell was that? 1351 01:09:43,321 --> 01:09:44,850 - [Adam] What is that? 1352 01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:47,340 - That was a disembodied voice. 1353 01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:48,433 That was a groan. 1354 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,677 Ah, you know what, 1355 01:09:53,710 --> 01:09:55,510 from the closet. 1356 01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:56,507 - [Steve] It was like a wailing. 1357 01:09:56,507 --> 01:10:00,557 - I'm gonna tell ya, it's gaining momentum. 1358 01:10:00,557 --> 01:10:02,380 - I mean, you were almost pushed down the stairs, 1359 01:10:02,380 --> 01:10:06,280 and then this happens to Adam just moments later. 1360 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,610 - You need to be very cautious 1361 01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:12,080 because I really feel like he's going to 1362 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,603 start hitting on each person individually, 1363 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,230 little by little by little, 1364 01:10:18,230 --> 01:10:20,830 almost like plucking off the prey. 1365 01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:24,587 You need to really, really be careful with this one. 1366 01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:39,180 So, immediately when coming up the stairs, 1367 01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:42,820 not only was I, I feel like I was totally attacked. 1368 01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:45,780 Something was trying to prevent me, 1369 01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:49,520 if not trying to push me backwards down the stairs. 1370 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,740 So, with that, I automatically became rattled, 1371 01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:54,830 and then we walk into this room. 1372 01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:58,130 This room, the energy is heavy, 1373 01:10:58,130 --> 01:11:00,570 almost as if you can't breathe. 1374 01:11:00,570 --> 01:11:05,180 Totally overwhelmed, and just a high anxiety. 1375 01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:07,760 So, as we're standing there, next thing you know, 1376 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,040 the shoe drops out of nowhere. 1377 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,900 There was no way that that shoe 1378 01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:13,380 would have just automatically have 1379 01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:15,510 fallen off the shelf by itself. 1380 01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:16,870 Why not before? 1381 01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:18,320 Why not after? 1382 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,763 No, there was something going on 1383 01:11:20,763 --> 01:11:22,940 that was trying to get our attention. 1384 01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:25,240 So, we've got several things going on here. 1385 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,020 Then, next thing you know, the camera man, 1386 01:11:28,020 --> 01:11:30,360 like something almost knocked him down. 1387 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,580 He gets, you know, completely, ghostly white 1388 01:11:34,580 --> 01:11:36,810 and thinks he's gonna pass out. 1389 01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:38,580 What the hell was that? 1390 01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:41,150 We hear this loud bang downstairs. 1391 01:11:41,150 --> 01:11:44,330 Something is clearly trying to alert us. 1392 01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:48,180 Not only is it there, but it's gaining momentum. 1393 01:11:48,180 --> 01:11:49,780 - [Adam] It's pulling on my arm. 1394 01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:56,770 - You guys, this is crazy. 1395 01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:58,222 This is crazy. 1396 01:11:58,222 --> 01:12:00,610 - [Steve] It's, there's, his hand is like freezing cold. 1397 01:12:00,610 --> 01:12:04,593 - He, he doesn't want the truth to be told. 1398 01:12:08,139 --> 01:12:09,622 This is crazy. 1399 01:12:09,622 --> 01:12:10,872 - What are you? 1400 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,680 So, what happened upstairs in Sabina's room, 1401 01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,980 I've never felt like that before. 1402 01:12:24,980 --> 01:12:27,220 I've never felt like, it felt 1403 01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:29,283 like something passed through me. 1404 01:12:30,650 --> 01:12:32,630 There were moments leading up to that 1405 01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:36,180 for about a minute and a half that I don't recall. 1406 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:40,510 I lost all track of what was going on. 1407 01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:44,110 So, we continued from the bedroom out into the hallway 1408 01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:46,910 to talk to Kelly some more about what happened in the room. 1409 01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:50,310 I could feel a hand on my wrist pulling. 1410 01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:51,950 It didn't just pull my hand away. 1411 01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:53,397 It pulled my hand behind me. 1412 01:12:53,397 --> 01:12:55,760 And it was such a strong pull 1413 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,840 that I actually lost my balance 1414 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,890 and fell backwards onto the step. 1415 01:12:59,890 --> 01:13:01,710 I was being pulled by something 1416 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,610 that was a stronger force than myself. 1417 01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:08,840 It's a scary thing, and I really am fearful 1418 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,433 for what's gonna happen goin' forward. 1419 01:13:18,462 --> 01:13:21,129 (ominous music) 1420 01:13:34,433 --> 01:13:36,520 - The master bedroom here is extremely important 1421 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,860 as this was the specific location 1422 01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:41,870 where the very first sighting of an apparition, 1423 01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:44,430 a ghost, was witnessed by a member of the family. 1424 01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:46,430 Here on the floor in front of us. 1425 01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:48,960 All of these toys that we have brought here 1426 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,450 are our attempt to try to get Victor to come out here 1427 01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:54,960 and possibly interact with some of these, 1428 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,260 as these items go back to a specific time period, 1429 01:13:58,260 --> 01:14:00,713 which would have been during his life. 1430 01:14:01,650 --> 01:14:03,763 Victor, are you here with us this evening? 1431 01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:08,670 We have a gift, or several gifts, for you. 1432 01:14:08,670 --> 01:14:10,670 Would you like to come in here and play? 1433 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,630 Can you tell me, perhaps, why you 1434 01:14:19,630 --> 01:14:23,010 were looking out this window? 1435 01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:24,230 Was there something out there 1436 01:14:24,230 --> 01:14:27,083 that maybe caught your attention? 1437 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,283 Maybe you were just watching the cars go by. 1438 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,400 Perhaps, watching the people on the sidewalk 1439 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,963 go up and down Brockway. 1440 01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:41,700 When you turned to look at Sabina, 1441 01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:43,620 I kinda think that maybe you did that 1442 01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:48,520 to let her know that, indeed, you could see her. 1443 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,070 Maybe you felt a connection 1444 01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,543 because the two of you were closer in age. 1445 01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:59,343 Maybe you just wanted to, to get her attention. 1446 01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:04,690 It's amazing when I think about it though. 1447 01:15:04,690 --> 01:15:07,970 Like, for a girl that was four or five years old 1448 01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:11,470 to describe something that was translucent 1449 01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:15,000 and no feet floating, which was classic, classic 1450 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,340 apparition sightings, it gives me chills. 1451 01:15:17,340 --> 01:15:19,080 It really does, especially standing 1452 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,350 right here where he was at. 1453 01:15:22,350 --> 01:15:23,990 I mean, at the end of the day, 1454 01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:28,990 for anybody, child, adult, that would be terrifying. 1455 01:15:29,287 --> 01:15:32,548 (door slamming) 1456 01:15:32,548 --> 01:15:33,381 Go. 1457 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:50,243 That was open. 1458 01:15:50,243 --> 01:15:51,403 That was the door. 1459 01:16:00,500 --> 01:16:01,373 Victor? 1460 01:16:13,712 --> 01:16:16,379 (Steve sighing) 1461 01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:18,653 Victor, are you here? 1462 01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:26,883 Please don't be afraid. 1463 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,563 Did you slam the door? 1464 01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:34,683 Were my questions upsetting you? 1465 01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:40,823 Please don't stop communicating with us. 1466 01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:49,150 Oh, my heart's goin' right through my chest. 1467 01:16:49,150 --> 01:16:52,173 That was a pretty loud slam for being a child spirit. 1468 01:16:55,647 --> 01:16:58,152 (dramatic music) (shoes squeaking) 1469 01:16:58,152 --> 01:16:59,080 What's goin' on? 1470 01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:59,913 What's wrong? 1471 01:17:00,821 --> 01:17:04,350 - [Jamie] (breathing hard) It felt like some. 1472 01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:05,550 Check my hair back here. 1473 01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:09,730 Is there a scratch or anything? 1474 01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:10,920 It felt like something. - It's red. 1475 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,750 - [Jamie] Pulled my hair, or, it hurts. 1476 01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:15,423 - [Steve] Here, take this, take this. 1477 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,340 Give me the flashlight. 1478 01:17:20,340 --> 01:17:21,173 Turn around. 1479 01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:22,616 - [Jamie] Do I have a mark or anything? 1480 01:17:22,616 --> 01:17:23,787 - [Steve] Just turn around. 1481 01:17:23,787 --> 01:17:24,740 Let me see. 1482 01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:25,840 Move your hair please. 1483 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,250 - [Jamie] It's like right here somewhere. 1484 01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:30,720 - [Steve] Hold on. 1485 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,793 It's not focusing. 1486 01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:37,872 Um, yeah, there's some, there's somethin' there. 1487 01:17:37,872 --> 01:17:38,891 - [Jamie] What? 1488 01:17:38,891 --> 01:17:41,103 - [Steve] It's, it's not, it's, ah, here. 1489 01:17:42,090 --> 01:17:43,840 - [Jamie] What is it? 1490 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:44,823 Is it bleeding? 1491 01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:46,910 - [Steve] I don't know that it's bleeding, 1492 01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:49,940 but there's definitely a spot there. 1493 01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:51,230 Oh, my God. 1494 01:17:51,230 --> 01:17:52,130 What did you feel? 1495 01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:55,210 - I was just recording you, and it felt 1496 01:17:55,210 --> 01:17:57,670 like something rushed up behind me 1497 01:17:57,670 --> 01:18:00,190 and then pulled my hair. 1498 01:18:00,190 --> 01:18:02,990 And next thing I knew, my neck felt like it was on fire. 1499 01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:05,700 - [Steve] This is not a child spirit. 1500 01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:06,533 - [Jamie] No. 1501 01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:08,333 - Look at the height. 1502 01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:09,830 I mean, you're almost what, six feet tall, 1503 01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:11,220 and it scratched the back of your neck 1504 01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:13,040 or whatever or burned it. 1505 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,633 Who is up here with us? 1506 01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:16,633 Who are you? 1507 01:18:18,267 --> 01:18:21,350 (gentle eerie music) 1508 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,986 Are you alright? 1509 01:18:36,986 --> 01:18:38,336 - (breathing hard) I'm just a little freaked out right now. 1510 01:18:38,336 --> 01:18:39,332 - [Steve] Let me see it under the light. 1511 01:18:39,332 --> 01:18:40,223 Let me see it under the light. 1512 01:18:45,420 --> 01:18:47,153 Aw, man, that's bad. 1513 01:18:48,919 --> 01:18:52,740 That looks more like a, a burn than a scratch. 1514 01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:54,980 Jamie, you don't have to finish this investigation 1515 01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:56,700 right now if you don't want to. 1516 01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,202 Do you wanna go downstairs, or do you wanna? 1517 01:18:59,202 --> 01:19:00,870 (suspenseful music) 1518 01:19:00,870 --> 01:19:01,868 - No. 1519 01:19:01,868 --> 01:19:05,170 (REM pod alert sounding) 1520 01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:10,170 - Master bedroom. 1521 01:19:13,029 --> 01:19:14,253 - [Jamie] Oh, my God. 1522 01:19:14,253 --> 01:19:15,086 - Victor? 1523 01:19:26,851 --> 01:19:29,518 (ominous music) 1524 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,840 Victor, we'd like to play a game with you tonight. 1525 01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:54,210 I'm pretty sure you're familiar with me by now. 1526 01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:57,220 My name is Steve, as I've said before. 1527 01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:02,210 This is my good friend Jamie, Josh, and Tim. 1528 01:20:02,210 --> 01:20:04,580 We're gonna play hide and seek. 1529 01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:06,710 All of us are gonna split up and chose 1530 01:20:06,710 --> 01:20:09,120 a different room to go sit and wait for you. 1531 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,350 Please do not be afraid of us. 1532 01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:12,650 We know you've shown yourself 1533 01:20:12,650 --> 01:20:16,570 to several members of the family, specifically Sabina. 1534 01:20:16,570 --> 01:20:19,410 Tonight we're simply here just to play with you, 1535 01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:23,640 interact with you, and perhaps find out why you're here. 1536 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,673 So, tonight, this is all about you. 1537 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,319 Now, let's play. 1538 01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:31,030 All of you guys, be careful. 1539 01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:32,610 Let's split up, and let's go. 1540 01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:35,250 As soon as something happens, if it does, 1541 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:39,123 get on that radio and call for backup, okay? 1542 01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:41,203 Let's do it. 1543 01:21:09,245 --> 01:21:12,162 (recorder beeping) 1544 01:21:13,330 --> 01:21:17,623 - This is Jamie in the back hallway of the Brockway mansion. 1545 01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:20,203 Hide and seek investigation. 1546 01:21:26,460 --> 01:21:27,523 Hey, Victor? 1547 01:21:29,450 --> 01:21:32,010 I don't think I need to introduce myself. 1548 01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:34,370 We've been here many nights 1549 01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:37,060 and have investigated many hours. 1550 01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:39,710 You probably know more about us than we think you do. 1551 01:21:40,570 --> 01:21:43,870 I really hope you don't mind us being here every night. 1552 01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:46,470 I know you're probably not used to this routine 1553 01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:51,470 and the fact that the family's been gone, especially Sabina. 1554 01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:56,060 I know that you are very attached to her. 1555 01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:58,813 - I had the honor of meeting the new owners, 1556 01:21:59,780 --> 01:22:01,650 Tom and Stephanie. 1557 01:22:01,650 --> 01:22:03,160 He told me that you have a fondness 1558 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,970 for their youngest daughter, Sabina. 1559 01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:08,270 He said that she was the first one to see you. 1560 01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:10,957 I'd like to see you. 1561 01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:15,310 They really put a lot of money and care 1562 01:22:15,310 --> 01:22:16,933 into renovating this place. 1563 01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:19,363 I hope that pleases you. 1564 01:22:20,490 --> 01:22:24,410 I hope that doesn't upset you by making it 1565 01:22:24,410 --> 01:22:26,110 different from what you're used to 1566 01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:29,153 'cause they genuinely love this place. 1567 01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,490 - Victor, if you're out there, come over 1568 01:22:32,490 --> 01:22:35,060 towards where my light is in the hallway here. 1569 01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:36,780 Got this device here. 1570 01:22:36,780 --> 01:22:39,298 It's like a toy. 1571 01:22:39,298 --> 01:22:40,131 You could come over. 1572 01:22:40,131 --> 01:22:43,370 You could touch it, and it'll light up. 1573 01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:46,090 It makes all kinda cool noises. 1574 01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:48,640 And it'll let me know if you're standin' out there. 1575 01:22:49,670 --> 01:22:52,460 I think I hear you creepin' around out there. 1576 01:22:52,460 --> 01:22:53,490 Come in here. 1577 01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:54,810 Come find me. 1578 01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:58,210 You do, you win the game of hide and seek. 1579 01:22:58,210 --> 01:23:00,420 - This is Steve, second floor, 1580 01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:03,833 hide and seek investigation of the Brockway mansion. 1581 01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:09,103 Victor, 1582 01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:13,930 this is a huge, huge house. 1583 01:23:13,930 --> 01:23:18,930 So many different rooms, corridors, multiple staircases. 1584 01:23:21,610 --> 01:23:23,000 I thought it would only be fitting 1585 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,703 that we'd play a game of hide and seek with you. 1586 01:23:26,940 --> 01:23:29,560 I'm sure you played hide and seek 1587 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,763 many times in this huge, beautiful, old house. 1588 01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:36,770 What's you favorite place to hide? 1589 01:23:42,130 --> 01:23:45,920 - You know, Victor, I was here with Steve 1590 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,030 when he was talkin' to the family about you, 1591 01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:50,683 hearing all their stories. 1592 01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:57,770 And when he asked them what they hoped we'd accomplish 1593 01:23:57,770 --> 01:24:00,663 by being here, they just wanted us to help you. 1594 01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:03,750 They don't wanna hear you crying. 1595 01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:06,653 They don't want you to be lonely or scared. 1596 01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:11,410 Stephanie told us a story that happened 1597 01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:13,250 before they even moved in. 1598 01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:15,203 They were just doing renovations, 1599 01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:17,490 and one of the very first things 1600 01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:20,290 that ever happened was they heard you crying 1601 01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:21,960 all throughout the house. 1602 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,493 And Stephanie, being a mother, 1603 01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,100 it really breaks her heart to know 1604 01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:29,890 that that's going on here. 1605 01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:33,350 She just really wants to help you, and so do we. 1606 01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:36,000 - I flew here all the way from a place called Denver. 1607 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,743 It's 1200 miles away. 1608 01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:44,520 But I'm originally from Saginaw, just like you. 1609 01:24:46,150 --> 01:24:47,933 I'm only here for tonight. 1610 01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:54,520 And it would be nice to meet you. 1611 01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:59,263 I hope it's me that you come visit. 1612 01:25:02,657 --> 01:25:05,907 (floorboards creaking) 1613 01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:11,933 Victor? 1614 01:25:14,405 --> 01:25:15,273 Is that you? 1615 01:25:17,603 --> 01:25:19,363 God, I really hope that's Victor. 1616 01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:24,240 - Victor, if you are here, and you can hear me, 1617 01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,010 I need to know if it was indeed you 1618 01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:31,290 that was communicating with Stephanie and Shelby 1619 01:25:33,850 --> 01:25:36,040 when they were using the spirit board 1620 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,450 trying to communicate with you specifically. 1621 01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:46,073 Was it you spelling out V-I-C? 1622 01:26:25,626 --> 01:26:28,340 - You know, Victor, I'm really sorry 1623 01:26:28,340 --> 01:26:32,970 that I'm sitting here talking about all this sad stuff 1624 01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:37,290 because I know we're here tonight to have fun. 1625 01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:38,930 We're here to play a game. 1626 01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:39,763 In fact, 1627 01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:45,683 I brought you something. 1628 01:26:59,030 --> 01:27:00,173 Easter's coming up. 1629 01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,893 So, I brought you an Easter basket. 1630 01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:09,670 I made the Easter basket myself. 1631 01:27:09,670 --> 01:27:12,520 I tried to pick out things that I thought you might like. 1632 01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,393 There's toys, chocolate, 1633 01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:19,653 even a stuffed rabbit. 1634 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,313 I've never made an Easter basket for anyone before. 1635 01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:27,340 Pretty soon I'll get to make one for my niece Lana. 1636 01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:30,143 It's her first Easter this year. 1637 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,770 But this Easter basket, 1638 01:27:34,770 --> 01:27:36,720 this is the first one I have ever made. 1639 01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:39,263 Just do me a favor, Victor, 1640 01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:43,310 don't tell the other guys I did this 1641 01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:46,770 'cause technically this is cheating. 1642 01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:47,603 - Victor? 1643 01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:51,373 I really hope it's me you come to find. 1644 01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:57,453 I traveled a real long way just to meet you. 1645 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,830 I sure would love to tell my friends back in Colorado 1646 01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:05,890 that it was me you came to see. 1647 01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:06,790 - [Josh] Hey, Tim? 1648 01:28:08,430 --> 01:28:09,270 - [Tim] What? 1649 01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:10,720 - [Josh] Got a phone charger? 1650 01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:12,473 - No. 1651 01:28:13,651 --> 01:28:15,600 You scared the shit out of me. 1652 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:16,433 - [Josh] Sorry. 1653 01:28:29,060 --> 01:28:32,990 - Victor, if there's anything you can tell us 1654 01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:38,420 about the man or the monster 1655 01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:40,220 that is in this house 1656 01:28:40,220 --> 01:28:45,220 that's scaring you, leading Sabina out into the street 1657 01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:48,670 in the middle of the night, that could help us 1658 01:28:48,670 --> 01:28:52,820 remove him, identify him. 1659 01:28:52,820 --> 01:28:56,200 So, please, if there's anything you can say, 1660 01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,713 if you can give us a verbal response, we can help you. 1661 01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:05,410 - You know, Victor, I really thought 1662 01:29:05,410 --> 01:29:07,430 this Easter basket was gonna work. 1663 01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:10,050 I thought it was me you were gonna come and find. 1664 01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:13,793 I've got candy, little green army men. 1665 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:17,713 I've even got a toy fire truck. 1666 01:29:19,470 --> 01:29:21,283 You can roll it around on the floor. 1667 01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:23,540 Push it back and forth. 1668 01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,703 You just gotta come in here. 1669 01:29:35,994 --> 01:29:38,425 (Jamie sighing) (dog barking) 1670 01:29:38,425 --> 01:29:41,842 (REM pod alert sounding) 1671 01:29:47,647 --> 01:29:50,314 (banging sound) 1672 01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:02,920 - Victor, we really, really wanna communicate with you. 1673 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,010 - [Jamie] Guys, I've got activity down here. 1674 01:30:06,010 --> 01:30:08,743 He just walked right past me, through me. 1675 01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:11,013 (walkie talkie beeping) 1676 01:30:11,013 --> 01:30:11,913 - Where is it now? 1677 01:30:12,990 --> 01:30:14,500 - [Jamie] He went through the door behind me. 1678 01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:15,630 He's in the living room. 1679 01:30:15,630 --> 01:30:17,527 - Do you have visual confirmation? 1680 01:30:17,527 --> 01:30:18,390 (walkie talkie beeping) 1681 01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:21,384 - [Jamie] The stairs leading up to Tom's office. 1682 01:30:21,384 --> 01:30:24,801 (walkie talking beeping) 1683 01:30:26,948 --> 01:30:29,448 (soft crying) 1684 01:30:30,734 --> 01:30:33,317 (door opening) 1685 01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,910 (Steve exhaling) 1686 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:41,193 - Jamie, it was just the cat. 1687 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,864 Oh, my God. 1688 01:30:43,864 --> 01:30:47,785 (REM pod alert sounding) 1689 01:30:47,785 --> 01:30:49,920 (door slamming) 1690 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,730 Everybody up to the office now. 1691 01:30:51,730 --> 01:30:53,033 Hurry up. 1692 01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:55,350 (walkie talkie beeping) 1693 01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:56,533 What is your name? 1694 01:30:57,550 --> 01:30:59,883 Because I know you are not Victor. 1695 01:31:00,830 --> 01:31:04,270 Victor didn't slam that door with that kind of force. 1696 01:31:04,270 --> 01:31:08,010 Whoever you are, you're not intimidating me. 1697 01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:10,603 Leave this family alone. 1698 01:31:12,987 --> 01:31:13,898 - [Josh] What's goin' on? 1699 01:31:13,898 --> 01:31:16,300 - Josh, listen, when Jamie got on the radio 1700 01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:19,420 and said that she heard. (footsteps pounding) 1701 01:31:19,420 --> 01:31:20,910 When you said that you heard something 1702 01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:24,190 coming up the stairwell here, that was only the cat, okay? 1703 01:31:24,190 --> 01:31:26,100 - [Jamie] No, no, that was not the cat. 1704 01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:29,080 That's, what I heard sounded like 1705 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,500 heavy boot steps coming up the stairs. 1706 01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,840 - Okay, well, the cat came popping out of there. 1707 01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,340 It ran right down the hallway, okay, 1708 01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:38,180 but a few moments later when I went 1709 01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:40,930 to sit back down to continue the EVP session, 1710 01:31:40,930 --> 01:31:43,460 the K-II meter in the doorway goes off. 1711 01:31:43,460 --> 01:31:45,130 I turn my attention to it. 1712 01:31:45,130 --> 01:31:48,500 The door right there behind you slams shut. 1713 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,240 That was not Victor, not with that kind of force. 1714 01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,350 I'm telling you right now. (quiet eerie music) 1715 01:31:52,350 --> 01:31:53,860 No more splitting up. 1716 01:31:53,860 --> 01:31:56,470 From now on, we gotta stick in pairs 1717 01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:58,360 or stick together, however. 1718 01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,730 This is starting to get dangerous. 1719 01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:00,730 Do you understand? 1720 01:32:00,730 --> 01:32:01,563 - I agree. 1721 01:32:01,563 --> 01:32:02,660 - Where the hell is Tim? 1722 01:32:02,660 --> 01:32:03,540 - [Jamie] He's back down in the command center 1723 01:32:03,540 --> 01:32:04,940 grabbing another camera. 1724 01:32:04,940 --> 01:32:06,260 - Alright, well, let's not leave him alone. 1725 01:32:06,260 --> 01:32:08,510 Just pop out this SD cards real quick. 1726 01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:10,960 Everybody meet in the command center, okay? 1727 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,371 Be careful. 1728 01:32:12,371 --> 01:32:15,371 (quiet eerie music) 1729 01:32:24,609 --> 01:32:26,430 (ominous music) 1730 01:32:26,430 --> 01:32:29,360 So, the reason I wanted to talk to you guys in my office 1731 01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,350 before we get to the location tonight is we know 1732 01:32:32,350 --> 01:32:36,570 that whatever's in that house is always listening. 1733 01:32:36,570 --> 01:32:38,210 It's always watching. 1734 01:32:38,210 --> 01:32:40,490 And obviously I'm not talking about Victor. 1735 01:32:40,490 --> 01:32:42,740 What we encountered last night, 1736 01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:44,720 which you encountered in that hallway, 1737 01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,480 what came up the stairs, what slammed the door on me, 1738 01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:48,710 was not Victor. 1739 01:32:48,710 --> 01:32:51,460 Now, Josh, I believe when you were 1740 01:32:51,460 --> 01:32:52,850 in the room that you were in, 1741 01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:54,670 and you were hearing the little footsteps. 1742 01:32:54,670 --> 01:32:56,780 And you thought you were seeing a little shadow, 1743 01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:59,120 I think you were about to encounter Victor. 1744 01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:00,990 Or should I say you did encounter Victor? 1745 01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:03,160 Now, what you dealt with in the hallway, 1746 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,950 do you believe that was Victor? 1747 01:33:04,950 --> 01:33:05,860 - Not at all. 1748 01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:07,220 - And what did it feel like? 1749 01:33:07,220 --> 01:33:12,220 - It was a very heavy, heavy feeling 1750 01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:16,350 that was very angry when it passed through me. 1751 01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:19,200 - I mean, whatever's there is angry. 1752 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,070 It is negative, and we're running out of time. 1753 01:33:23,070 --> 01:33:24,800 We need to find out what this thing is, 1754 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,540 and I don't know that we can get rid of it. 1755 01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:27,930 I think it's at least our job 1756 01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:31,130 to try to find out what it is, who it is, 1757 01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:32,880 what attachment there is to the house, 1758 01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,180 and how the hell to get rid of the damn thing. 1759 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,010 Anyway, the reason I wanted to talk to you guys here 1760 01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:43,060 is because tonight I'm gonna try something, okay? 1761 01:33:43,060 --> 01:33:46,560 When we try to contact Victor, it always comes out. 1762 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,050 So, we're gonna go there tonight 1763 01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:51,890 under the guise that we're trying to contact Victor, 1764 01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:56,560 knowing that Victor's not the one that's going to come out. 1765 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,090 But I need to tell you guys this right now. 1766 01:33:59,090 --> 01:34:01,810 What's gonna happen tonight, you have to trust me. 1767 01:34:01,810 --> 01:34:03,540 I don't wanna talk about it right now, 1768 01:34:03,540 --> 01:34:06,170 and I definitely don't wanna talk about it in the house. 1769 01:34:06,170 --> 01:34:08,300 I've got a plan we're gonna put in motion. 1770 01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:09,970 We need to draw this thing out 1771 01:34:09,970 --> 01:34:12,170 and try to get some kind of conclusion 1772 01:34:12,170 --> 01:34:14,350 to what we're dealing with. 1773 01:34:14,350 --> 01:34:16,635 Alright, let's get goin'. 1774 01:34:16,635 --> 01:34:19,635 (suspenseful music) 1775 01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:31,007 (ominous music) 1776 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:45,670 Jamie, are you rolling? 1777 01:34:45,670 --> 01:34:46,850 - [Jamie] Yes. 1778 01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:51,080 - Victor, last night we played a game, 1779 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,733 a game of hide and seek. 1780 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,240 But then it dawned on me today when I got up, 1781 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,830 we never finished. 1782 01:34:57,830 --> 01:35:02,040 It is your turn to hide, and the three of us 1783 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:03,583 will be the seekers. 1784 01:35:04,690 --> 01:35:06,430 We know that you know this home 1785 01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:08,910 way better than we could ever imagine. 1786 01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:10,760 So, it's gonna be a challenge. 1787 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:15,730 So, right now, run off to your favorite spot in the house. 1788 01:35:15,730 --> 01:35:18,180 Pick your best hidin' place, 1789 01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:20,533 and perhaps one of us will find you. 1790 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,130 Alright, guys, I want you to head out right here. 1791 01:35:24,130 --> 01:35:25,400 Go and search the property. 1792 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:26,850 Check the out buildings. 1793 01:35:26,850 --> 01:35:28,653 See if maybe you can find Victor. 1794 01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:30,773 - [Jamie] Outside? 1795 01:35:30,773 --> 01:35:32,180 - Yeah, I'm gonna take the house. 1796 01:35:32,180 --> 01:35:34,023 You guys go right out here, come on. 1797 01:35:37,690 --> 01:35:39,412 Just go ahead and head out the front door. 1798 01:35:39,412 --> 01:35:40,245 - But? 1799 01:35:40,245 --> 01:35:41,078 - I got it. 1800 01:35:41,078 --> 01:35:41,911 Everything's fine. 1801 01:35:43,172 --> 01:35:45,755 (Josh sighing) 1802 01:35:49,660 --> 01:35:51,277 Let me know if you find him. 1803 01:35:57,233 --> 01:35:58,629 (lock snapping) 1804 01:35:58,629 --> 01:36:01,296 (ominous music) 1805 01:36:04,797 --> 01:36:07,913 (pounding on front door) 1806 01:36:07,913 --> 01:36:10,577 (pounding on front door) 1807 01:36:10,577 --> 01:36:12,083 All right, Victor, 1808 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:16,338 ready or not. 1809 01:36:16,338 --> 01:36:18,136 (knocking) 1810 01:36:18,136 --> 01:36:19,750 (knocking) 1811 01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:20,713 Here I come. 1812 01:36:23,237 --> 01:36:25,860 (knocking) 1813 01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:27,053 You'd better be hiding. 1814 01:36:29,057 --> 01:36:31,307 (knocking) 1815 01:36:34,420 --> 01:36:38,193 And I bet you I know exactly where to start first. 1816 01:36:49,832 --> 01:36:52,499 (door creaking) 1817 01:36:53,810 --> 01:36:54,643 - Damn it. 1818 01:36:56,939 --> 01:36:58,180 I don't get it. 1819 01:36:58,180 --> 01:37:02,020 Yesterday he's telling us, everybody needs to stay together. 1820 01:37:02,020 --> 01:37:03,500 Always be partnered up. 1821 01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:05,380 Nobody's allowed to go off on their own 1822 01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:08,190 with all the investigating going the way it's been recently. 1823 01:37:08,190 --> 01:37:10,360 And here he goes all by himself, 1824 01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:11,610 locks the door (sighing). 1825 01:37:13,368 --> 01:37:14,853 It's just a bad idea. 1826 01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:17,473 I'm callin' him. 1827 01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:23,460 (floorboards creaking) 1828 01:37:23,460 --> 01:37:25,160 - [Steve] Are you in here, Victor? 1829 01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:40,933 I know this is one of your favorite rooms. 1830 01:38:30,374 --> 01:38:33,291 (curtain swishing) 1831 01:38:39,682 --> 01:38:40,515 - [Steve's Voicemail] You've reached Steve 1832 01:38:40,515 --> 01:38:41,847 with Haunted Saginaw. - Really? 1833 01:38:41,847 --> 01:38:44,020 - [Steve's Voicemail] Paranormal Investigation. 1834 01:38:44,020 --> 01:38:46,794 Please leave a detailed message after the beep, 1835 01:38:46,794 --> 01:38:49,410 and I'll get back with you at my earliest convenience. 1836 01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:50,243 Thank you. 1837 01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:52,913 - [Josh] I'm gonna try a different door. 1838 01:39:08,871 --> 01:39:10,653 - [Steve] Ah, creepy ass house. 1839 01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,893 I thought for sure you would've been up here. 1840 01:39:19,730 --> 01:39:23,563 All the reports of sightings and activity in this room. 1841 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,123 I know how fond you are of Sabina, Victor. 1842 01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:33,177 Why don't you come on out? 1843 01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,443 Alright, 1844 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,703 one by one, every room in this house, 1845 01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:49,193 I'm gonna come and find you. 1846 01:39:57,780 --> 01:40:02,273 I know it seemed kind of rude locking my friends out, 1847 01:40:03,610 --> 01:40:05,993 but I just want it to be you and I tonight. 1848 01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:08,713 It's fun, isn't it? 1849 01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:20,270 Come out, come out, wherever you are. 1850 01:40:23,671 --> 01:40:26,671 (doorknob rattling) 1851 01:40:34,203 --> 01:40:37,203 (doorknob rattling) 1852 01:40:43,969 --> 01:40:44,886 - Aw, fuck. 1853 01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:47,580 There's a door on the other side. 1854 01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:49,963 - [Steve] Victor? 1855 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:52,880 Are you in here? 1856 01:40:55,575 --> 01:40:58,242 (door creaking) 1857 01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:10,567 (door creaking) 1858 01:41:24,926 --> 01:41:27,593 (Steve sighing) 1859 01:41:30,110 --> 01:41:33,503 If I were a kid, where would I hide? 1860 01:41:52,939 --> 01:41:56,939 Man, you sure picked a good hiding spot, Victor. 1861 01:42:10,423 --> 01:42:11,256 Victor. 1862 01:42:11,256 --> 01:42:14,626 (curtain swishing) 1863 01:42:14,626 --> 01:42:17,293 (Steve sighing) 1864 01:42:34,163 --> 01:42:36,663 (dog whining) 1865 01:42:39,406 --> 01:42:40,490 (dog whining) 1866 01:42:40,490 --> 01:42:42,200 What the hell is that? 1867 01:42:43,385 --> 01:42:46,657 (dog whining) 1868 01:42:46,657 --> 01:42:47,603 The dog. 1869 01:43:12,067 --> 01:43:13,317 You're shaking. 1870 01:43:15,230 --> 01:43:16,323 Are you down here? 1871 01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:21,840 It's okay, Hector. 1872 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,520 It's okay, dog. 1873 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:24,353 It's okay. 1874 01:43:31,580 --> 01:43:32,713 What do you guys see? 1875 01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:36,613 Come on out and show yourself. 1876 01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:49,370 What do you see? 1877 01:43:50,792 --> 01:43:51,625 What? 1878 01:43:59,363 --> 01:44:02,530 (floorbaord creaking) 1879 01:44:40,996 --> 01:44:41,829 (dog barking) 1880 01:44:41,829 --> 01:44:42,662 What is your name? 1881 01:44:46,510 --> 01:44:47,953 Who are you? 1882 01:44:51,060 --> 01:44:54,420 The family was not trying to contact you 1883 01:44:54,420 --> 01:44:56,060 using the spirit board. 1884 01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:58,920 I don't care if they didn't properly close out. 1885 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:03,410 They want to end communication with you now. 1886 01:45:03,410 --> 01:45:05,580 They want to close now. 1887 01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:07,980 Leave this house. 1888 01:45:07,980 --> 01:45:09,873 Leave this property. 1889 01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:13,360 Do you understand? 1890 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,483 Go, go away. 1891 01:45:17,930 --> 01:45:22,240 You're not welcome here, not wanted here. 1892 01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:24,170 This it it. 1893 01:45:24,170 --> 01:45:25,603 Leave this house. 1894 01:45:28,460 --> 01:45:30,430 Quit tormenting (dog barking) 1895 01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:32,083 that little child, Victor. 1896 01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,583 Quit terrifying Sabina. 1897 01:45:47,220 --> 01:45:48,053 Go. 1898 01:45:48,937 --> 01:45:51,854 (pounding on door) 1899 01:46:03,156 --> 01:46:06,156 (suspenseful music) 1900 01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:39,610 - Okay, Steve, you know what happened. 1901 01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:40,783 You end up sendin' me, 1902 01:46:40,783 --> 01:46:42,850 I think you sent us like four different clips. 1903 01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:45,010 So, we started in the basement. 1904 01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:48,260 So, we'll go right here and start. 1905 01:46:48,260 --> 01:46:51,180 We call this one the basement mist. 1906 01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:53,680 And what happens is, let me set it up. 1907 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,180 You end up walkin' around a corner, 1908 01:46:56,180 --> 01:46:58,430 and Iroquois gets a hit. 1909 01:46:58,430 --> 01:47:00,930 So, we go back, run it through again. 1910 01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:01,763 You go around a corner. 1911 01:47:01,763 --> 01:47:02,596 We don't see anything. 1912 01:47:02,596 --> 01:47:03,429 We run it through again. 1913 01:47:03,429 --> 01:47:05,760 We get another hit in the same location. 1914 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,310 So, we'll go ahead and play it. 1915 01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:33,410 So, right there we see this mist, okay? 1916 01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:34,860 Doesn't look like much to us. 1917 01:47:37,460 --> 01:47:39,943 So, we use our dynamic filtration on it. 1918 01:47:43,820 --> 01:47:46,260 And when you look, you can actually see, 1919 01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:49,450 very faintly, see what looks like 1920 01:47:49,450 --> 01:47:53,750 maybe a female that has, stickin' her head out. 1921 01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:55,226 It's hard to see. 1922 01:47:55,226 --> 01:47:57,680 We thought this was important to put in there 1923 01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,060 because the Iroquois technology has the ability 1924 01:48:01,060 --> 01:48:04,110 to show some of the most incredible images 1925 01:48:04,110 --> 01:48:05,420 that the world's ever seen. 1926 01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:09,060 But it also has the ability to show 1927 01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:11,560 images that are a little faint. 1928 01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,140 We just want you to know, and everybody to know, 1929 01:48:15,140 --> 01:48:17,960 everything that Iroquois technology hits on 1930 01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,390 is not gonna be this, you know, 1931 01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:22,690 smoking gun of an apparition. 1932 01:48:22,690 --> 01:48:25,000 So, we just wanna make sure people understand. 1933 01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,930 This is scientific research, but we'll always, 1934 01:48:27,930 --> 01:48:30,230 we'll try to bring you the best that we have. 1935 01:48:30,230 --> 01:48:31,720 The playmate (sighing). 1936 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,220 This one's pretty interesting. 1937 01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:38,850 This is the upstairs bedroom. 1938 01:48:38,850 --> 01:48:40,900 So, let's go ahead and play it. 1939 01:48:40,900 --> 01:48:41,733 Fascinating. 1940 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,900 So, we just go through the first time. 1941 01:48:54,340 --> 01:48:55,970 And then, we'll go back, and we'll hit the, 1942 01:48:55,970 --> 01:48:57,773 hit it with the Iroquois technology. 1943 01:49:13,506 --> 01:49:14,830 So, we hit in that area. (ominous music) 1944 01:49:14,830 --> 01:49:17,200 So, immediately it doesn't look that bad to us, 1945 01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:20,070 but you'll see for a second that it's dark there. 1946 01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:23,030 Now, we apply the dynamic filtration, 1947 01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:28,030 and right there you can see that the face comes out. 1948 01:49:28,340 --> 01:49:31,330 You got the left eye, the right eye, 1949 01:49:31,330 --> 01:49:33,540 the nose kind of pointing right here. 1950 01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:36,230 Our final conclusion is that is a little boy 1951 01:49:36,230 --> 01:49:39,503 we think mixed in with some other people. 1952 01:49:42,130 --> 01:49:45,010 Alright, um, (sighing) this guy 1953 01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:47,620 that we're gettin' ready to show you, he is 1954 01:49:47,620 --> 01:49:52,620 with a little boy, and he's standin' behind the little boy. 1955 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:57,920 Entities that stand in front of children 1956 01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:02,180 are someone who is protective of those children, 1957 01:50:02,180 --> 01:50:05,390 but human nature always remains the same. 1958 01:50:05,390 --> 01:50:08,940 Parents, adults stand in front of children. 1959 01:50:08,940 --> 01:50:11,030 They don't stand behind 'em. 1960 01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:14,990 The only, we only see that if we think 1961 01:50:14,990 --> 01:50:19,513 the adult is somehow manipulating or using the child. 1962 01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:24,990 This gentleman that we're gonna show you 1963 01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:28,313 is behind the little boy that we just showed you before. 1964 01:50:29,210 --> 01:50:34,210 And in 14 years of research, that is a problem. 1965 01:50:42,910 --> 01:50:44,240 Can you see him okay? 1966 01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:45,190 - [Steve] Oh, yeah. 1967 01:50:46,150 --> 01:50:50,360 - I didn't tell you this, but when I was here 1968 01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:54,000 last time, I was sitting right over there in that chair. 1969 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,360 You guys were in the kitchen, 1970 01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,183 and I was in this room by myself. 1971 01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,220 And I looked over at the corner over here 1972 01:51:01,220 --> 01:51:03,330 where the bookshelves and the fireplace is, 1973 01:51:03,330 --> 01:51:08,230 and I saw a head and shoulders 1974 01:51:08,230 --> 01:51:09,453 directly in front of me. 1975 01:51:10,530 --> 01:51:13,990 I had only seen these images on my computer, 1976 01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:17,450 but here I was face to face with his shadow. 1977 01:51:17,450 --> 01:51:20,340 And I'm lookin', I'm like, is that a shadow? 1978 01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:21,400 This is the problem. 1979 01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:26,210 When I was staring at it, that shadow is a veiling glare. 1980 01:51:26,210 --> 01:51:29,250 These entities look just like you and me. 1981 01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:32,210 Whenever you see a shadow, they are creating that 1982 01:51:32,210 --> 01:51:35,430 because they don't want you to know who they are. 1983 01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:36,883 But this is what I saw. 1984 01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,660 I saw the face, and I saw the white coming through. 1985 01:51:41,660 --> 01:51:43,890 He wanted me to see him. 1986 01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:45,760 He did that on purpose. 1987 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,150 - You couldn't be more correct 1988 01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:51,160 when you say that it's certainly not protecting 1989 01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:52,670 the child spirit in this house. 1990 01:51:52,670 --> 01:51:56,760 It's definitely oppressing that spirit, 1991 01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,780 and it's also a danger to the family. 1992 01:52:00,780 --> 01:52:03,170 - [T.D.] Do you know about this guy? 1993 01:52:03,170 --> 01:52:04,290 - Oh, yeah. 1994 01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:05,990 We definitely know about this guy. 1995 01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:09,240 The family when they first moved into the house, 1996 01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,740 they started renovations, and almost immediately 1997 01:52:11,740 --> 01:52:14,530 they were hearing crying and weeping. 1998 01:52:14,530 --> 01:52:16,280 It sounded like a child. 1999 01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:17,800 The mother of the home, Stephanie, 2000 01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,980 would travel around trying to find 2001 01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:21,760 where the sound was coming from. 2002 01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,060 It was completely omni-directional. 2003 01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:25,020 She would go one way. 2004 01:52:25,020 --> 01:52:26,170 She'd go another. 2005 01:52:26,170 --> 01:52:28,160 It would still be the same volume 2006 01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,930 regardless of where she went. 2007 01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:32,480 Not long after that, this little spirit 2008 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:34,910 started to appear to the youngest daughter, 2009 01:52:34,910 --> 01:52:36,750 to other people in the family. 2010 01:52:36,750 --> 01:52:39,180 Hand prints on the mirror like a small child. 2011 01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:41,300 This continued and continued. 2012 01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:42,650 And then, when the youngest daughter 2013 01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:44,560 had physically seen the boy, 2014 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:47,570 then they were adamant to find out who is this kid 2015 01:52:47,570 --> 01:52:49,590 that is haunting the home, what's happening? 2016 01:52:49,590 --> 01:52:52,400 So, they started doing research on the home. 2017 01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,920 They get some death records, other materials, 2018 01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:56,900 but then unfortunately at some point, 2019 01:52:56,900 --> 01:53:00,010 they had the idea to use a spirit board 2020 01:53:00,010 --> 01:53:02,610 and try and contact the spirit 2021 01:53:02,610 --> 01:53:04,640 to find out who it was. 2022 01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,900 So, it started to spell out V-I-C 2023 01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:10,610 and continued to spell out V-I-C. 2024 01:53:10,610 --> 01:53:13,200 Well, for a moment they were thinking perhaps 2025 01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:14,890 it was trying to spell out Victoria. 2026 01:53:14,890 --> 01:53:16,440 And then, they thought there was another spirit 2027 01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:19,100 in the home until the death records finally came in 2028 01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:22,130 and a Victor, - Holy. 2029 01:53:22,130 --> 01:53:25,170 - Yeah, a Victor passed away here in the home. 2030 01:53:25,170 --> 01:53:27,170 So, that's what V-I-C was. 2031 01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:28,003 - A young boy? 2032 01:53:28,003 --> 01:53:28,836 - A young boy. 2033 01:53:28,836 --> 01:53:29,669 - Like what we just saw? 2034 01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:30,561 What I just showed you? 2035 01:53:30,561 --> 01:53:32,130 - Yes, and where you found it is 2036 01:53:32,130 --> 01:53:34,310 where it's been seen multiple times. 2037 01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:36,200 In Sabina's room. 2038 01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:40,650 She has sensed him standing by the bed near her many times. 2039 01:53:40,650 --> 01:53:42,130 It's very attached to her, and I think 2040 01:53:42,130 --> 01:53:44,040 it's because when she moved in here, 2041 01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,250 they were similar in age. 2042 01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:48,130 But then once they used the spirit board, 2043 01:53:48,130 --> 01:53:50,700 something else was introduced in the home. 2044 01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:52,430 The activity started to change. 2045 01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:55,900 You know, slamming doors, more aggressive behavior. 2046 01:53:55,900 --> 01:54:00,200 They believe that this individual, this thing, 2047 01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,330 led Sabina out in the middle of the night 2048 01:54:02,330 --> 01:54:04,100 and was leading her to the road. 2049 01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:06,134 And you see how busy this road is here. 2050 01:54:06,134 --> 01:54:07,540 - Right. 2051 01:54:07,540 --> 01:54:08,850 - She wasn't sleepwalking. 2052 01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:10,264 She was aware the whole time. 2053 01:54:10,264 --> 01:54:12,681 (loud thump) 2054 01:54:16,650 --> 01:54:18,690 Did that come from up here? 2055 01:54:18,690 --> 01:54:19,840 Was that on this floor? 2056 01:54:22,930 --> 01:54:23,791 Give me it. 2057 01:54:23,791 --> 01:54:24,741 Give me the camera. 2058 01:54:25,985 --> 01:54:28,985 (suspenseful music) 2059 01:54:32,420 --> 01:54:34,363 - What the was that? 2060 01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,523 Holy freak. 2061 01:54:45,715 --> 01:54:48,382 (ominous music) 2062 01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,480 - I saw something a couple days ago, 2063 01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:02,730 you know, when you guys were here. 2064 01:55:02,730 --> 01:55:04,350 You had just left. 2065 01:55:04,350 --> 01:55:06,930 That I thought that you guys might find interesting. 2066 01:55:06,930 --> 01:55:09,560 If you wanna come this way, I'll show you. 2067 01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:10,570 You know how you guys left. 2068 01:55:10,570 --> 01:55:12,370 It was pretty late. 2069 01:55:12,370 --> 01:55:14,620 And about five minutes after you left, 2070 01:55:14,620 --> 01:55:18,333 I was in here sitting on the chair. 2071 01:55:19,403 --> 01:55:23,283 I was gonna text my mom and tell her I was on my way. 2072 01:55:24,770 --> 01:55:25,910 I was just sitting here. 2073 01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:30,810 And I kept hearing something upstairs. 2074 01:55:30,810 --> 01:55:32,820 My daughter was asleep on the couch. 2075 01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:37,373 And so, after hearing it for about a minute, 2076 01:55:37,373 --> 01:55:39,880 I got up and went over there to see 2077 01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:42,830 if I could hear it better, and I was actually 2078 01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:46,350 able to record the very end of what I heard 2079 01:55:46,350 --> 01:55:49,580 since I had already had my hand, my phone in my hand. 2080 01:55:49,580 --> 01:55:53,040 So, I can actually show you what I got on tape 2081 01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,410 if you guys would like to see that. 2082 01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:55,310 - That'd be great. 2083 01:55:58,150 --> 01:56:00,660 - This is actually what I heard. 2084 01:56:00,660 --> 01:56:02,970 At first, I thought I was hearing maybe the printer 2085 01:56:02,970 --> 01:56:07,044 or something trying to go, but when I got closer. 2086 01:56:07,044 --> 01:56:09,720 (creaking sound) 2087 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,383 You could hear the very end. 2088 01:56:13,630 --> 01:56:16,593 Of that, and for me. 2089 01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:21,710 - [Steve] So, is that the staircase, or? 2090 01:56:21,710 --> 01:56:24,400 - Well, at first I thought, oh, my gosh, 2091 01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:25,830 that's the door opening. 2092 01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:27,850 So, that really freaked me out. 2093 01:56:27,850 --> 01:56:29,610 It took me a few minutes to get up 2094 01:56:29,610 --> 01:56:32,090 enough courage to actually go up there. 2095 01:56:32,090 --> 01:56:33,930 And then, when I went to, I found out 2096 01:56:33,930 --> 01:56:36,230 the door was closed, so I went to open it. 2097 01:56:36,230 --> 01:56:38,510 And then, I thought it was the floor 2098 01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:41,180 because the top step is really creaky. 2099 01:56:41,180 --> 01:56:44,590 The next day my daughter and I were here, 2100 01:56:44,590 --> 01:56:46,690 and I let her listen to it. 2101 01:56:46,690 --> 01:56:51,400 And she said, "Ah, no, that's dad's chair in his office." 2102 01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,760 So, we went up, and I sat in his chair 2103 01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:56,630 and moved around a little bit. 2104 01:56:56,630 --> 01:57:00,810 And it is actually his chair that you hear 2105 01:57:00,810 --> 01:57:03,800 and not the door or the floor. 2106 01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:04,990 - [Steve] And you're sure of that? 2107 01:57:04,990 --> 01:57:07,270 - Yeah, I mean, I can actually go ahead 2108 01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:10,278 and just show you what it sounds like. 2109 01:57:10,278 --> 01:57:11,506 - [Steve] Yeah, that'd be great. 2110 01:57:11,506 --> 01:57:14,550 - And you guys can hear if it sounds like that to you. 2111 01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:15,460 - [Steve] You wanna head up there with her? 2112 01:57:15,460 --> 01:57:17,070 And I'll stay down here and hear 2113 01:57:17,070 --> 01:57:18,611 if it sounds the same to me. 2114 01:57:18,611 --> 01:57:19,861 - [Jamie] Sure. 2115 01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:22,116 - [Steve] And you were recording right here 2116 01:57:22,116 --> 01:57:23,119 at the bottom of these stairs? 2117 01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:26,786 - Yeah, I was at the bottom of these stairs. 2118 01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:37,843 This would be the chair, and if you sit in it, 2119 01:57:38,770 --> 01:57:40,760 and you lean back, it's not too bad. 2120 01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:42,301 But when you go to get out, 2121 01:57:42,301 --> 01:57:43,890 (chair creaking) 2122 01:57:43,890 --> 01:57:46,885 I mean, you can hear, it's pretty much. 2123 01:57:46,885 --> 01:57:49,190 (chair creaking) 2124 01:57:49,190 --> 01:57:50,536 - [Steve] That's the same sound. 2125 01:57:50,536 --> 01:57:51,776 - The same sound. 2126 01:57:51,776 --> 01:57:53,979 - [Steve] It's exactly the same. 2127 01:57:53,979 --> 01:57:58,979 - So, that's what I actually heard the other night, 2128 01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:01,850 and it was literally not even 2129 01:58:01,850 --> 01:58:03,603 five minutes after you guys left. 2130 01:58:05,260 --> 01:58:06,665 It's kind of, it was like, 2131 01:58:06,665 --> 01:58:08,410 it felt like it was trying to taunt me, 2132 01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:12,110 scare me intentionally, right after you guys left. 2133 01:58:12,110 --> 01:58:15,110 (suspenseful music) 2134 01:58:19,650 --> 01:58:20,640 - [Steve] So, why do you think it would 2135 01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:23,743 choose that location in the house, I mean, Tom's office? 2136 01:58:25,380 --> 01:58:29,290 - You know, at the time I really didn't think much of it. 2137 01:58:29,290 --> 01:58:31,880 It wasn't until actually a couple days 2138 01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:36,880 after I saw the image that we saw of. 2139 01:58:37,420 --> 01:58:38,940 - [Steve] Okay, from the Iroquois technology? 2140 01:58:38,940 --> 01:58:40,110 - Yes. 2141 01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:44,410 After seeing that, a couple days after that, 2142 01:58:44,410 --> 01:58:47,870 I kept thinking, gosh, it looks like somebody. 2143 01:58:47,870 --> 01:58:50,700 Why does, who is that? 2144 01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:55,160 2:30 in the morning I sit up, and I go, oh, my gosh. 2145 01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:56,930 I know who this is. 2146 01:58:56,930 --> 01:59:01,550 And when I just thought about the timing 2147 01:59:01,550 --> 01:59:03,140 from when everything started 2148 01:59:04,700 --> 01:59:07,370 and all the things that led up to that. 2149 01:59:07,370 --> 01:59:08,830 We had a friend in the family 2150 01:59:08,830 --> 01:59:11,113 that we kinda had a falling out, 2151 01:59:12,060 --> 01:59:14,560 and we never really got to reconcile 2152 01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:15,833 before they passed away. 2153 01:59:19,500 --> 01:59:21,250 That's who I think it is. 2154 01:59:21,250 --> 01:59:23,750 - So, the image looked that much like this person? 2155 01:59:24,630 --> 01:59:26,953 - Yes, to me, it did. 2156 01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:32,450 And, yeah, like I said, we never got to reconcile. 2157 01:59:32,450 --> 01:59:36,220 There was some, you know, bad feelings 2158 01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:37,573 at the time they passed. 2159 01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:40,840 And that was right about the same time 2160 01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:44,940 shortly before things started to get really weird here. 2161 01:59:44,940 --> 01:59:47,390 - The activity that's been taking place, 2162 01:59:47,390 --> 01:59:49,040 does that, I mean, does that also 2163 01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,725 have any hallmarks of this person? 2164 01:59:50,725 --> 01:59:52,932 I mean, now that you're putting it together? 2165 01:59:52,932 --> 01:59:55,320 - Well, yeah, yeah, I mean. 2166 01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:58,450 The people that it seems to be going after 2167 01:59:58,450 --> 02:00:02,100 are the people that they had a problem with. 2168 02:00:02,100 --> 02:00:06,090 And, you know, you know, really 2169 02:00:06,940 --> 02:00:10,950 focusing on our daughter kind of says, 2170 02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:13,950 we're gonna mess with the one thing that's important to you. 2171 02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:18,623 It sounds like that's something that they would do. 2172 02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:21,340 - Wow. 2173 02:00:21,340 --> 02:00:22,870 I mean, I'm kinda speechless right now. 2174 02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:25,290 That pretty much changes the direction 2175 02:00:25,290 --> 02:00:26,610 of everything we've been looking into. 2176 02:00:26,610 --> 02:00:28,780 We thought perhaps through the spirit board, 2177 02:00:28,780 --> 02:00:31,850 through the grave dug up outside. 2178 02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:33,580 - That was actually what we had thought, 2179 02:00:33,580 --> 02:00:35,113 or I had thought for a while, 2180 02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:39,590 but after seeing the, the Iroquois image, 2181 02:00:39,590 --> 02:00:41,230 then going back through the timing 2182 02:00:41,230 --> 02:00:43,810 of when everything started, it actually 2183 02:00:43,810 --> 02:00:46,380 makes the most sense to me 2184 02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:49,823 because the timing is almost perfect. 2185 02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:56,120 - Well, we had, we had something planned tonight 2186 02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:58,470 that I was gonna do alone, but I'm almost 2187 02:00:58,470 --> 02:01:00,300 wondering with this revelation 2188 02:01:00,300 --> 02:01:02,453 if maybe you would join me with it. 2189 02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:05,800 It's kinda hard to explain, but would you? 2190 02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:08,163 - (chuckling) Okay, it depends what it is. 2191 02:01:09,810 --> 02:01:12,011 - [Steve] Why don't we show her actually? 2192 02:01:12,011 --> 02:01:13,320 - [Jamie] Yeah. 2193 02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,212 - [Steve] Yeah, here, come with me. 2194 02:01:15,212 --> 02:01:16,882 - [Stephanie] Okay. 2195 02:01:16,882 --> 02:01:19,382 (eerie music) 2196 02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:30,210 - Stephanie, first of all, thanks 2197 02:01:30,210 --> 02:01:32,290 for agreeing to sit here and do this with me. 2198 02:01:32,290 --> 02:01:33,810 I had already planned on doing this, 2199 02:01:33,810 --> 02:01:36,410 but when you revealed the information 2200 02:01:36,410 --> 02:01:37,860 that you revealed to us tonight, 2201 02:01:37,860 --> 02:01:40,060 I think you're gonna be the key here. 2202 02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:42,160 Obviously, we don't know the person 2203 02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:43,720 which you're speaking about or exactly 2204 02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:45,150 what the circumstances are. 2205 02:01:45,150 --> 02:01:49,400 But if you are that sure after seeing that image 2206 02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,900 that it is that person, and perhaps the grievances, 2207 02:01:52,900 --> 02:01:54,490 or the vendetta, there match 2208 02:01:54,490 --> 02:01:56,400 some of the actions in the house, 2209 02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:57,530 I feel like you're key. 2210 02:01:57,530 --> 02:02:00,923 So, I guess we can go ahead and start with that one there. 2211 02:02:12,510 --> 02:02:16,400 Victor, while we were setting up in here, 2212 02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:19,070 Stephanie had thought she saw 2213 02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:21,570 somebody around your height peeking in the hallway 2214 02:02:21,570 --> 02:02:23,513 around a semi-open door. 2215 02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:26,800 And moments ago, I thought I had seen something 2216 02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:30,060 over here peeking behind this other easel. 2217 02:02:30,060 --> 02:02:32,740 So, if you're here with us, that's great 2218 02:02:32,740 --> 02:02:36,970 because we have a message from Stephanie here 2219 02:02:36,970 --> 02:02:38,430 who would like to speak with you 2220 02:02:38,430 --> 02:02:42,740 and really tell you her feelings and her family's feelings 2221 02:02:42,740 --> 02:02:44,763 about you being here in this house. 2222 02:02:47,770 --> 02:02:50,010 - Well, first, you know, nobody here 2223 02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:52,580 hates you or anything like that. 2224 02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:55,690 I mean, obviously, we have, you've done things 2225 02:02:55,690 --> 02:02:59,450 that have startled Sabina especially. 2226 02:02:59,450 --> 02:03:04,170 We prefer you to be with your family. 2227 02:03:04,170 --> 02:03:07,730 I just know that, you know, if he were my son, 2228 02:03:07,730 --> 02:03:11,010 I would definitely want him to come to wherever I was. 2229 02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:14,710 I would love for him to just go to be with his family. 2230 02:03:14,710 --> 02:03:16,620 I would think that would make him so much happier 2231 02:03:16,620 --> 02:03:21,240 than being here with us since, you know, 2232 02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,170 we don't really know him. 2233 02:03:23,170 --> 02:03:25,620 - We really feel it's time for you to go 2234 02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:27,570 and be with others that are like you 2235 02:03:27,570 --> 02:03:29,010 because I promise you there'll be 2236 02:03:29,010 --> 02:03:31,640 way more people there than there are here. 2237 02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:34,840 Family, friends, there's a lot more 2238 02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:38,040 than the 6000 plus square feet in this home. 2239 02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,070 All that being said, when it comes to Victor, 2240 02:03:41,070 --> 02:03:45,260 you don't feel the same about what else is in this house. 2241 02:03:45,260 --> 02:03:49,660 - No, no, not at all. (gentle piano music) 2242 02:03:49,660 --> 02:03:51,253 - So, if you would like to. 2243 02:03:52,284 --> 02:03:55,951 (somber instrumental music) 2244 02:04:02,506 --> 02:04:04,020 - [Steve] It's disturbing to even look at. 2245 02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:05,643 - Yes, yes, it is. 2246 02:04:07,090 --> 02:04:07,923 Oh. 2247 02:04:10,090 --> 02:04:12,980 - You know, to me, the image is, 2248 02:04:12,980 --> 02:04:14,200 it is disturbing. 2249 02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:19,200 It's scary, but I can't imagine what you go through 2250 02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:22,785 because you know who that looks like to you. 2251 02:04:22,785 --> 02:04:25,380 And you've basically matched it, you know, 2252 02:04:25,380 --> 02:04:29,200 identically with photos of said individual 2253 02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:32,343 with the composite of this. 2254 02:04:32,343 --> 02:04:34,543 So, how does this make you feel? 2255 02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:38,320 - It's disappointing. 2256 02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:39,153 I don't know. 2257 02:04:39,153 --> 02:04:43,550 You would think in death you would want to be at peace. 2258 02:04:43,550 --> 02:04:48,550 Instead you would go somewhere and create unrest 2259 02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:54,133 for other people and not let yourself find that peace. 2260 02:04:55,260 --> 02:04:59,640 And it's, it's disappointing that it would choose 2261 02:05:00,551 --> 02:05:05,340 to use Sabina as the main tool. 2262 02:05:07,410 --> 02:05:08,820 Sabina is young. 2263 02:05:08,820 --> 02:05:10,890 She doesn't understand. 2264 02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:15,070 As a parent, I'm sure, as a parent you know 2265 02:05:15,070 --> 02:05:18,840 that it wouldn't matter what anybody did to you. 2266 02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:19,673 You could deal with it. 2267 02:05:19,673 --> 02:05:22,230 But when they start messin' with your kids, 2268 02:05:22,230 --> 02:05:26,100 why would you choose to come and disturb 2269 02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:30,480 and just be so angry still 2270 02:05:31,380 --> 02:05:36,050 instead of going and crossing over and finding peace. 2271 02:05:36,050 --> 02:05:38,190 Everything is in the past now. 2272 02:05:38,190 --> 02:05:41,400 We don't hold any grudges, any vengeance. 2273 02:05:41,400 --> 02:05:45,410 I'm not angry about anything that transpired. 2274 02:05:45,410 --> 02:05:47,860 Sometimes people say things and do things 2275 02:05:47,860 --> 02:05:49,810 that they regret later. 2276 02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:52,440 Sometimes, you know, you don't get 2277 02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:55,823 the chance to say, I'm sorry. 2278 02:05:59,750 --> 02:06:04,750 And you hope that they in their last moments forgave you, 2279 02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:06,937 and it doesn't feel like that happened. 2280 02:06:06,937 --> 02:06:11,080 You know, to think that something would take my child 2281 02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:15,173 and possibly harm them like that. 2282 02:06:18,750 --> 02:06:21,023 I can't imagine somebody being that angry. 2283 02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:24,840 - I think we both know that whatever else 2284 02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:27,820 is in this house is always watching. 2285 02:06:27,820 --> 02:06:29,660 It always is aware. 2286 02:06:29,660 --> 02:06:34,380 Would you care to try to maybe address the room if you will 2287 02:06:34,380 --> 02:06:39,183 and really let it know how you feel and where you stand? 2288 02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,630 - Okay, well, I guess the first thing 2289 02:06:43,630 --> 02:06:46,330 that you need to know is we don't, 2290 02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:49,120 we don't harbor any ill will. 2291 02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:49,953 Things happen. 2292 02:06:49,953 --> 02:06:50,786 People say things. 2293 02:06:50,786 --> 02:06:51,890 People do things. 2294 02:06:51,890 --> 02:06:56,720 We don't have any animosity, any ill will, 2295 02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:58,450 or anything, even for the things 2296 02:06:58,450 --> 02:07:01,180 that have happened since then. 2297 02:07:01,180 --> 02:07:02,860 You're angry, I get it. 2298 02:07:02,860 --> 02:07:05,410 And you need, you need to go. 2299 02:07:05,410 --> 02:07:07,650 You need to go, cross over. 2300 02:07:07,650 --> 02:07:09,590 You need to go find peace. 2301 02:07:09,590 --> 02:07:12,070 You need to leave the family alone. 2302 02:07:12,070 --> 02:07:13,820 You can't stay here. 2303 02:07:13,820 --> 02:07:15,340 Sabina deserves better. 2304 02:07:15,340 --> 02:07:18,210 We deserve better, and you deserve better. 2305 02:07:18,210 --> 02:07:20,283 So, you just need to go. 2306 02:07:22,190 --> 02:07:23,450 - Listening to what you just said, 2307 02:07:23,450 --> 02:07:26,470 it seems that you're very adamant 2308 02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:28,160 about this, which you should be. 2309 02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:30,800 And I know that there is some anger there, 2310 02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:34,150 but I also hear that there's forgiveness there. 2311 02:07:34,150 --> 02:07:36,930 - Well, it's not so much, it's anger, but not really. 2312 02:07:36,930 --> 02:07:37,763 It's not anger. 2313 02:07:39,404 --> 02:07:43,900 It's, it's scares the heck out of Sabina, you know? 2314 02:07:43,900 --> 02:07:47,820 I just want her to able to go to sleep in her room 2315 02:07:47,820 --> 02:07:50,820 and not have to be scared about where 2316 02:07:50,820 --> 02:07:52,610 she's gonna end up by morning. 2317 02:07:52,610 --> 02:07:55,140 I mean, that's not fair to her. 2318 02:07:55,140 --> 02:07:56,740 And so, it's not so much anger. 2319 02:07:56,740 --> 02:08:00,450 It's just fear for my child. 2320 02:08:00,450 --> 02:08:03,170 - For anybody watching this out there 2321 02:08:03,170 --> 02:08:06,910 that is skeptical of the paranormal, 2322 02:08:06,910 --> 02:08:10,420 of ghosts being real, what would you say to them? 2323 02:08:10,420 --> 02:08:11,973 - That was me. 2324 02:08:13,273 --> 02:08:14,943 I was the skeptic. 2325 02:08:16,620 --> 02:08:19,310 When you experience it, it's a whole different, 2326 02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:21,410 it's a whole different ball game. 2327 02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:23,290 - So, where do we go from here? 2328 02:08:23,290 --> 02:08:27,780 We're gonna be out of this house tonight. 2329 02:08:27,780 --> 02:08:29,500 We've been here for weeks, you know, 2330 02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:31,330 with the preliminary investigation 2331 02:08:31,330 --> 02:08:33,220 and all the nights of investigating. 2332 02:08:33,220 --> 02:08:35,920 How do you feel knowing that we're gonna leave, 2333 02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:40,700 and you guys are gonna, you know, come back to the house? 2334 02:08:40,700 --> 02:08:42,530 - You know, it's a little apprehensive. 2335 02:08:42,530 --> 02:08:45,403 I know Sabina's not super excited. 2336 02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:51,190 You know, after seeing that, you know, 2337 02:08:51,190 --> 02:08:56,063 just the image alone for her was enough to, to terrify her. 2338 02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:59,913 But, you know, hopefully, 2339 02:09:02,190 --> 02:09:05,120 they reflected and said, you know, 2340 02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:07,113 maybe it is my time to go. 2341 02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:09,833 That's what our hope is. 2342 02:09:11,900 --> 02:09:14,100 - Well, we're always one phone call away. 2343 02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:16,750 I guess in closing, for anybody out there 2344 02:09:16,750 --> 02:09:19,670 that is dealing with something like you guys 2345 02:09:19,670 --> 02:09:22,550 are dealing with, what word of advice would you give 2346 02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:25,823 to an individual or a family living with a haunting? 2347 02:09:27,210 --> 02:09:29,660 - When you get something like this, 2348 02:09:29,660 --> 02:09:33,110 my best advice is try to find somebody to help you 2349 02:09:34,780 --> 02:09:38,633 get it, get rid of it because it doesn't get better. 2350 02:09:40,290 --> 02:09:42,920 Ignoring it doesn't make it go away. 2351 02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,420 Pretending it's not there doesn't make it go away. 2352 02:09:46,580 --> 02:09:49,030 Find somebody that will help you make it go away. 2353 02:09:53,727 --> 02:09:56,394 (ominous music) 2354 02:10:04,331 --> 02:10:06,831 (eerie music) 2355 02:10:31,878 --> 02:10:35,295 (intense dramatic music) 168696

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