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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,690 --> 00:00:10,390 (regal fanfare playing) 2 00:00:12,860 --> 00:00:14,330 (sheep bleating) 3 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:26,410 Director: So, Viktor, what's your favourite British food? 4 00:00:48,670 --> 00:00:50,000 Do you feel safe here? 5 00:01:03,010 --> 00:01:04,680 (sinister music) 6 00:01:06,250 --> 00:01:09,920 Reporter: Now to an extraordinary story here in UK. 7 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:11,290 Reporter: Salisbury is at the centre 8 00:01:11,350 --> 00:01:12,790 of a major incident tonight 9 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:14,690 involving a former Russian spy. 10 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,700 Reporter: A quiet, small, sleepy city in southern England. 11 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,960 Reporter: Sergei Skripal, 12 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:22,670 a colonel in military intelligence, 13 00:01:22,730 --> 00:01:25,540 accused of spying for Britain's MI6. 14 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:30,410 Reporter: The lingering question, who did it? 15 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:34,780 (foreboding music) 16 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,010 Reporter: Moscow might deny it, but many point the finger 17 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,180 of blame squarely at Russia. 18 00:01:40,450 --> 00:01:42,850 Reporter: Mysterious case of a poisoned Russian agent 19 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,690 getting even stranger tonight. 20 00:01:44,750 --> 00:01:46,220 Reporter: Now it's murder. 21 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:48,860 Reporter: A counterfeit bottle of designer perfume, 22 00:01:48,930 --> 00:01:50,290 the suspected weapon. 23 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,100 Neil: There was enough poison in that tiny bottle 24 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,960 to kill 10,000 people. 25 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:58,530 Trump: The security council is called to order. 26 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,040 Reporter: What started in a placid cathedral town 27 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,040 has now led to the biggest diplomatic face-off in years. 28 00:02:05,110 --> 00:02:09,410 I give the floor to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. 29 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,350 Thank you. 30 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:12,150 (speaking in Russian) 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,280 (Viktor speaking) 32 00:02:23,730 --> 00:02:25,460 (sinister beat) 33 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:28,870 (birds singing) 34 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,270 (bells ringing distantly) 35 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:42,150 Meg: Salisbury's a small city. 36 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:47,380 Local people call it Smallsbury for that reason. 37 00:02:47,980 --> 00:02:50,250 (jaunty music) 38 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,860 I amongst many, many other people in Salisbury 39 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,260 have a favourite place to go and sit 40 00:02:57,330 --> 00:03:00,160 on one of the many benches down by the river. 41 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,640 The whole area is so magical. 42 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,410 Archive: Here in the heart of Wiltshire lies Salisbury. 43 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:21,020 Founded some 800 years ago, 44 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,290 this mediaeval city is most famous 45 00:03:23,350 --> 00:03:25,590 for its magnificent cathedral. 46 00:03:26,620 --> 00:03:31,030 Dominating the skyline, its spire, Britain's tallest, 47 00:03:31,090 --> 00:03:35,500 rising some 404ft soars heavenward. 48 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:38,330 (bells ringing) 49 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,210 Caller: Seven, four.... 50 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:47,210 Archive: Oh, how the locals love to ring those bells. 51 00:03:48,380 --> 00:03:50,750 Kelvin: I value normal life 52 00:03:50,810 --> 00:03:55,850 and Salisbury is a provincial corner of England. 53 00:03:56,050 --> 00:03:59,290 Big things don't tend to happen in places like that. 54 00:04:02,490 --> 00:04:04,330 (accordion playing) 55 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,730 (dramatic music) 56 00:05:31,910 --> 00:05:33,480 (suspenseful music) 57 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:48,430 It was my first kind of week as a radio reporter 58 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:50,670 at the local radio station. 59 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:54,170 When I got the job, they said, oh, you'll be getting to do 60 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,940 really local stories, 61 00:05:56,740 --> 00:05:58,440 you know, the giant vegetables, 62 00:05:58,510 --> 00:06:00,680 the village fair, the flower show. 63 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:04,780 And I thought, oh, that's great, a really good kind of way for me 64 00:06:04,850 --> 00:06:06,420 to learn what I'm doing. 65 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,390 (phone ringing) And then the phone rang, 66 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,020 and I...it just changed everything, really. 67 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:18,960 It was my news editor who had phoned me 68 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:23,830 and she said two people were having a medical incident 69 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:25,940 that the police are dealing with. 70 00:06:27,170 --> 00:06:28,600 Can you go and cover this? 71 00:06:29,910 --> 00:06:32,840 So I said to myself, don't worry. 72 00:06:34,110 --> 00:06:35,950 Nothing happens in Salisbury. 73 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:39,680 So, then I got down there. 74 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,580 First week on the job. 75 00:06:42,020 --> 00:06:45,490 You don't expect to see two people on a bench, 76 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:47,120 foaming at the mouth. 77 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:52,930 I've never seen anyone having a drug overdose before. 78 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:01,400 I can't even remember how to use a Dictaphone, 79 00:07:01,470 --> 00:07:03,140 it's been so long ago. 80 00:07:03,210 --> 00:07:05,370 Well, I'm now at the Maltings 81 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,480 where these two people were found collapsed. 82 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:09,280 They are now in a critical condition 83 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:11,180 at Salisbury District Hospital. 84 00:07:11,250 --> 00:07:13,420 (sirens wailing) 85 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Stephen: We'd had a really busy weekend. 86 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:19,620 I was looking after the intensive care unit by myself. 87 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,360 Things had quietened down a bit. 88 00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:27,000 I got a phone call from one of my colleagues who said, Steve, 89 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:30,230 there's two drug overdose patients coming in. 90 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,470 They both sound really unwell. 91 00:07:32,540 --> 00:07:34,500 Can you come and give me a hand? 92 00:07:34,570 --> 00:07:36,410 The two patients came in... 93 00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:38,270 (suspenseful music) 94 00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:41,380 ...and immediately this didn't look right. 95 00:07:41,710 --> 00:07:44,280 There was a guy in his 60s, 96 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:46,180 smartly dressed, a suit and jacket, 97 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,620 and a girl in her 30s. 98 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:52,190 They didn't look like your conventional 99 00:07:52,250 --> 00:07:54,320 recreational drug overdose patients. 100 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:56,260 Then I became aware of his name, 101 00:07:56,330 --> 00:07:59,630 Sergei Skripal, and I thought, this is a little bit odd, 102 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:01,430 you know, for Salisbury. 103 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,900 I started to initiate intensive care, 104 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,870 and Sergei is breathing, just. 105 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:10,210 He's not speaking. 106 00:08:10,270 --> 00:08:12,980 He's sitting bolt upright, almost like a statue. 107 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,050 -Producer: Eyes closed? -Eyes were open, 108 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:17,710 but he was absolutely rigid. 109 00:08:17,780 --> 00:08:20,950 It was the most bizarre presentation. 110 00:08:21,650 --> 00:08:24,950 And it suddenly began to dawn on me 111 00:08:25,020 --> 00:08:27,260 that something has poisoned these people. 112 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:34,700 At that moment, somebody came up to me and said, Dr Cockroft, 113 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,970 I've just googled Sergei Skripal 114 00:08:37,030 --> 00:08:40,040 and you're not going to believe what I've just found out. 115 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,770 So, I went and looked and there it was. 116 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:47,140 He had a Wikipedia page. 117 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,580 I thought, right, okay... 118 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:55,920 this is beginning to smell a bit fishy, this. 119 00:09:03,630 --> 00:09:06,260 Amber Rudd: When I first heard about this, I was in London... 120 00:09:06,330 --> 00:09:08,000 (suspenseful music) 121 00:09:08,060 --> 00:09:11,030 ...and I got a call from my office 122 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:14,000 telling me that an incident had taken place 123 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:16,770 and they had concerns about it. 124 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:21,540 You're not called on every incident as Home Secretary. 125 00:09:22,650 --> 00:09:25,880 You're called out for something of national significance. 126 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,090 Theresa May: The key role of a prime minister obviously 127 00:09:29,150 --> 00:09:31,490 is to ensure that you keep the country safe. 128 00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:35,120 And this attack took place in, in, if you like, 129 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:38,190 the heart of middle England. 130 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:40,400 Amber Rudd: And so we had a COBRA meeting. 131 00:09:41,060 --> 00:09:45,270 And the purpose of COBRA is to bring all the different people 132 00:09:45,330 --> 00:09:50,240 involved together so that decisions can be made. 133 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:54,180 Right from the start, it was clear to me 134 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,440 that this wasn't just a poisoning, 135 00:09:55,510 --> 00:09:57,750 but it was an attempted assassination. 136 00:10:01,020 --> 00:10:02,620 The target being Sergei Skripal, 137 00:10:02,690 --> 00:10:05,790 and given his background as a Russian intelligence officer... 138 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,860 there was only one entity, the Russian State, 139 00:10:09,930 --> 00:10:11,760 that was possibly responsible. 140 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,360 Amber Rudd: For a hostile state to do that 141 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:20,540 in a British town... city was extraordinary. 142 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:24,470 But I think really the dominant feeling was 143 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:27,680 concern about this lethal poison, 144 00:10:27,940 --> 00:10:31,610 because initially at COBRA, we didn't know what it was. 145 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:35,620 But two people had gone into a coma. 146 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:39,050 Mark: In the past, while carrying out assassinations, 147 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,360 the Russians have used a range of different poisons, 148 00:10:43,190 --> 00:10:45,560 and so we had a high degree of suspicion 149 00:10:45,630 --> 00:10:47,960 that the public was at risk. 150 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,900 Amber Rudd: The atmosphere in COBRA was tense. 151 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,570 Cabinet ministers had different views about how fast 152 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,270 we should go in terms of attributing 153 00:10:58,340 --> 00:11:00,410 and responding to Russia. 154 00:11:02,110 --> 00:11:04,380 Theresa May: When you're faced with something like this, 155 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:05,950 sometimes in today's world, 156 00:11:06,020 --> 00:11:09,450 the temptation is to say something immediately. 157 00:11:10,820 --> 00:11:13,660 Actually, you just have to take a deep breath and step back 158 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,690 and be very clear that there's a longer-term aim here, 159 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:22,570 which is making sure we absolutely hold them to account. 160 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:24,030 You just have to be a bit careful 161 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,840 and wait until you've absolutely got the evidence. 162 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:28,740 (siren wailing) 163 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:32,470 Neil: In 2018, I was the national lead 164 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:34,610 for counterterrorism policing. 165 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,420 Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary of the day... 166 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:42,550 How can I put it? 167 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:44,520 "What are you doing about it, Basu?" 168 00:11:44,590 --> 00:11:46,920 You know, "the Prime Minister needs your help." 169 00:11:46,990 --> 00:11:47,620 (tense music) 170 00:11:47,690 --> 00:11:49,960 First, how quickly can you prove 171 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:52,830 this is an assassination plot? 172 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:56,670 Second, find out exactly what this poison is 173 00:11:57,630 --> 00:12:00,540 and tell me what kind of resources you need 174 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,800 from the rest of government 175 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:03,840 to help you bring this under control, 176 00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:06,780 which might involve using the military. 177 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:12,880 Meg: I heard a helicopter overhead. 178 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:16,850 Which is unusual. 179 00:12:18,420 --> 00:12:20,560 Emma: Then it was like, why are the military here? 180 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:23,290 Why are there, like, senior police officers here? 181 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:25,960 You know, this seems a bit of an overreaction to it being, 182 00:12:26,030 --> 00:12:28,160 you know, a drug overdose or, you know, 183 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:30,570 just a medical episode. 184 00:12:31,570 --> 00:12:33,600 What's really going on? 185 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:37,610 And I remember them looking very, very worried. 186 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,580 Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 187 00:12:43,650 --> 00:12:46,180 The focus at this moment in trying to establish 188 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:49,490 what has caused these people to become critically ill, 189 00:12:49,550 --> 00:12:51,490 and we currently do not believe there is any risk 190 00:12:51,550 --> 00:12:52,890 to the wider public. 191 00:12:54,460 --> 00:12:55,820 Thank you. 192 00:12:57,030 --> 00:12:59,090 Emma: You know, they were trying to reassure people 193 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,060 that everything's absolutely fine. 194 00:13:01,130 --> 00:13:02,560 But... 195 00:13:03,470 --> 00:13:05,030 clearly it wasn't. 196 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,670 So I'd be on the phone like, 197 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:11,070 "Yeah, I think we're gonna need backup here." 198 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:12,710 Go on, keep going... 199 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,580 And then, that tiny little story 200 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,580 suddenly exploded into this international news story. 201 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:20,380 The biggest story in the world. 202 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:23,450 Two people in the town of Salisbury in England 203 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,690 were admitted to hospital after being exposed 204 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:26,990 to an unknown substance. 205 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:29,060 Salisbury District Hospital is at the centre 206 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,390 of a major incident tonight involving a former Russian spy. 207 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:35,360 Nearly 200 British troops have been called in to help police 208 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:36,870 with the investigation. 209 00:13:38,830 --> 00:13:40,140 Reporter: Moscow might deny it, but many 210 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,440 point the finger of blame squarely at Russia. 211 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,040 Kelvin: No one expects terrible things 212 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:49,710 to happen in their community. 213 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:53,820 And this was a real incident in which the ugliness of the world 214 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,720 was suddenly on our doorstep. 215 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,120 Emma: There were journalists literally everywhere. 216 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:03,830 You know, CNN, you've got, you know, people from France 217 00:14:03,890 --> 00:14:05,790 just wandering around the city 218 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:07,860 trying to get a bit more information. 219 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:14,700 Which country? 220 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:16,170 That's the United States of America. 221 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,670 Okay then. What brings you here? 222 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:21,640 Well, I'm the foreign correspondent for ABC. 223 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:24,780 And what brings us here is you. 224 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:32,520 Newsreader: These images show the former Russian military 225 00:14:32,590 --> 00:14:34,890 intelligence colonel buying sausages 226 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,560 and lottery scratch cards from a shop close to his home. 227 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:40,630 (mysterious music) 228 00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:54,780 Meg: We were living next to this perfectly normal guy, 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,910 and turns out that he was a Russian spy. 230 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,450 You wouldn't dream it, would you? 231 00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:08,460 Mark: Unlike most people in Salisbury, 232 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,690 I knew rather a lot about Sergei Skripal. 233 00:15:12,730 --> 00:15:15,930 A couple of years before all of this happened, 234 00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:20,570 I wanted to write a book about defected Russian spies. 235 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:23,510 And strangely enough, 236 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:26,880 I didn't have to go through the intelligence services 237 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:29,750 or the Foreign Office to get to meet him. 238 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:35,350 He was living an open life. 239 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:40,390 He was on the electoral register under his own name. 240 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,230 So he clearly felt safe. 241 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:48,730 And when I went to meet Sergei in his home, 242 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,530 he was standing outside the house ready to greet me. 243 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:57,070 My impression of him was that 244 00:15:57,140 --> 00:16:00,280 he was a typical Soviet military guy 245 00:16:00,340 --> 00:16:01,980 or a typical Desantnik, 246 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,610 which is a paratrooper in Russian. 247 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:08,450 You know, big, physically self-confident. 248 00:16:10,890 --> 00:16:13,660 Sort of no nonsense, you know, plain speaking, 249 00:16:14,290 --> 00:16:16,390 deadpan sense of humour. 250 00:16:17,890 --> 00:16:21,430 The sort of person you wouldn't want to antagonise. 251 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,000 We went through the front door, and you know, 252 00:16:26,070 --> 00:16:27,300 being a journalist, you... 253 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:30,410 You just sort of take in the details, I suppose. 254 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:32,910 And curiously, 255 00:16:32,980 --> 00:16:36,810 he was sort of mid-construction with an Airfix kit 256 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,450 of HMS Victory, 257 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:42,080 which he told me he'd been to visit. 258 00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:44,020 (haunting Russian folk music) 259 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:47,290 I think the sort of enigma about Sergei, in this respect, 260 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,520 was that... 261 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,460 on the one hand, he wanted me to understand 262 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:54,600 that he had a love of English history, 263 00:16:55,900 --> 00:16:57,330 but on the other hand, 264 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,670 he remained a sort of patriotic Russian. 265 00:17:02,570 --> 00:17:06,040 He liked the songs and the old Soviet movies. 266 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:10,650 He even had Russian TV on when I arrived. 267 00:17:12,180 --> 00:17:16,750 I think these were all things that gave him a sort of happy, 268 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:18,250 nostalgic glow. 269 00:17:18,850 --> 00:17:23,630 I certainly think he would have regarded the things he did 270 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:25,660 as a Russian intelligence officer 271 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:29,870 with a lot of pride. 272 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,770 Another thing I noticed on the bookcase, 273 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,070 sort of directly ahead of me as I was talking to him 274 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:41,040 as we did our interviews, 275 00:17:42,180 --> 00:17:44,650 was a little resin model 276 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:49,320 of a very typical twee English country cottage. 277 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:53,020 The sort of thing you could buy in a souvenir shop. 278 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:57,760 And at the time, um, I noticed it, 279 00:17:57,830 --> 00:18:00,460 but I didn't really understand its significance. 280 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:03,530 But he explained later on, 281 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,700 just how big a part of his whole story 282 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:10,870 that English country cottage actually was. 283 00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:22,080 (suspenseful music) 284 00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:26,490 Reporter: Troops from Wiltshire 285 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,990 with training in chemical warfare 286 00:18:28,060 --> 00:18:31,760 and Royal Marines from Somerset have been sent to Salisbury. 287 00:18:32,730 --> 00:18:35,800 Reporter: Almost 700 investigators are at work. 288 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,230 We're not quite sure what's gonna happen 289 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:39,800 in the next couple of hours. 290 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:43,540 There's still very much more questions than answers. 291 00:18:45,770 --> 00:18:47,280 There was a lot of panic. 292 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:50,410 You know, why are there people walking around in hazmats? 293 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:55,050 Where is this chemical? What is it? 294 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:56,420 What could it do to you? 295 00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:58,650 Reporter: British soldiers in hazmat suits 296 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,290 search for possible contamination in the area 297 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:04,030 where former Russian spy Sergei Skripal 298 00:19:04,090 --> 00:19:07,200 and his daughter were found. 299 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:12,100 Suddenly, we had cordons, we had public health warnings. 300 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:14,870 We'd been told, "Don't pick up rubbish." 301 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:18,140 And so, there's considerable worry in the community. 302 00:19:18,610 --> 00:19:21,980 I think people felt we were a city under attack. 303 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:28,050 "A strange and unreal time." 304 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,250 "Did this really happen in our special city?" 305 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,590 "Living amongst spies?" 306 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:38,290 "Do we now look at everyone with suspicion?" 307 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:42,130 "Eerie silence." 308 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:47,640 "The ducks have gone, the rats moved in..." 309 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:53,010 "One day, normality will return." 310 00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:55,980 At least that's what I hope. 311 00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:05,420 Amber Rudd: The job of the Home Secretary 312 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:08,520 in the middle of all this is to reassure the public. 313 00:20:08,590 --> 00:20:10,360 Whatever I was feeling, 314 00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:13,200 and a lot of it was pretty uncomfortable and concerned, 315 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:14,330 my job was to go out there 316 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,430 and tell them that we have got this. 317 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,770 They needn't be worried because we know what we're doing. 318 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,170 Can you guarantee the public their safety? 319 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,370 Of course, I can guarantee the public their safety. 320 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,080 You know, the public don't want to hear 321 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:28,480 we're not actually very sure what they this is 322 00:20:28,540 --> 00:20:30,310 or where it's come from or where else it could be. 323 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:32,950 They want to know that their government is on top of this 324 00:20:33,010 --> 00:20:36,420 and is going to keep them safe. And that's what you have to say. 325 00:20:36,490 --> 00:20:40,120 Didn't always feel that, but that was my job to convey it. 326 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:43,090 These are all questions I will want answered. 327 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,530 Producer: Keep calm and carry on. 328 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:46,460 Keep calm and carry on. 329 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:50,300 (helicopter whirring) 330 00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:55,270 Reporter: Well then, Joanna, just in the last half an hour, 331 00:20:55,340 --> 00:20:57,110 police officers, military personnel 332 00:20:57,170 --> 00:20:58,640 and specialist officers 333 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:00,380 have been getting kitted up with those 334 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,350 forensic suits and gas masks that we've been seeing. 335 00:21:03,410 --> 00:21:05,850 Neil: There was huge pressure to get it right, 336 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:08,420 but there is no playbook for this. 337 00:21:09,450 --> 00:21:11,750 We're looking for expert assassins. 338 00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:13,590 I'm not expecting them to leave their fingerprints 339 00:21:13,660 --> 00:21:16,320 or leave their DNA at a crime scene. 340 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:19,330 We were literally faced with two individuals 341 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:23,830 who had fallen seriously ill on a park bench in Salisbury. 342 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:26,700 So the park bench became a crime scene. 343 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:28,800 That was our start point. 344 00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:30,310 The first thing you're trying to do 345 00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:32,440 is trying to track every movement 346 00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:35,010 going back as long as you possibly can 347 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,650 before the park bench, 348 00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:39,410 'cause we want to know how the victims 349 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,020 came into contact with the poison. 350 00:21:42,850 --> 00:21:46,350 We knew they went to the restaurant to have a meal. 351 00:21:48,460 --> 00:21:51,130 Before that, we know they went to a pub, 352 00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:52,760 um, where they have a drink. 353 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,130 You're eventually getting to the car, 354 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:58,830 you're eventually going back to the house. 355 00:21:59,770 --> 00:22:03,100 Dean: We were gradually finding traces of the poison used, 356 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:06,680 and the highest detection rate was the door handle 357 00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:08,240 of their home address. 358 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:13,650 One theory is that they had sprayed it on the door handle, 359 00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:17,850 and when Sergei and Yulia came out and closed the door, 360 00:22:18,450 --> 00:22:20,360 that's the time when they were poisoned. 361 00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:23,490 (helicopter whirring) (distant sirens) 362 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:29,630 The next job is to find the perpetrators on CCTV. 363 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:35,540 Sadly, there was no CCTV, um, at Christie Miller Road. 364 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,810 So we had to collect hundreds of thousands of hours of footage 365 00:22:43,410 --> 00:22:45,610 from across Salisbury town centre. 366 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:49,680 But it was looking for a needle in a haystack. 367 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:52,890 What does a Russian agent look like? 368 00:22:57,630 --> 00:23:00,300 Christo: I think there's a general understanding 369 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,230 that there are spies around us, 370 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:04,930 but... 371 00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:09,240 Russian spies are literally everywhere. 372 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,870 (playful music) 373 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:15,080 I think there is a lack of understanding 374 00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:18,280 for most of the people of how dangerous it is. 375 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:25,490 It's not just snooping around, 376 00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:29,390 it's not just secret back-alley conversations and recruitment, 377 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:33,660 it's assassinations, it's explosions, 378 00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:34,900 it's sabotage, 379 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,330 it's poisoning the water systems of countries. 380 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,470 All of that actually does happen. 381 00:23:41,070 --> 00:23:42,300 Watch this. 382 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,540 Russian operatives, they literally have licence to kill. 383 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,710 There's a law in Russia that allows them to pursue 384 00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:54,750 enemies of the state that are deemed traitors. 385 00:23:56,150 --> 00:24:00,390 Putin calls Russians who change sides, rabid dogs, 386 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:03,730 he calls them animals, he calls them scum of the earth. 387 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:08,060 And they can go and work for their overlords in the West. 388 00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:11,830 But somebody who betrays the motherland 389 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,870 should be burned alive. 390 00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:17,140 (dramatic Russian music) And for new recruits, 391 00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:19,040 that becomes part of your fabric, 392 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:20,880 part of your mentality, 393 00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:23,080 and you'll be chasing enemies of the state, 394 00:24:23,140 --> 00:24:25,980 and you can kill them, and you should kill them... 395 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:30,290 because successful killers get an award. 396 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:33,890 That's why... 397 00:24:34,420 --> 00:24:36,290 hundreds of these young people... 398 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,530 become killers for their country. 399 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:48,770 (suspenseful music) 400 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:51,810 But then I discovered that actually, you can 401 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:57,980 expose espionage operations using breadcrumbs of data. 402 00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:02,580 Every person does that in their own life, 403 00:25:02,650 --> 00:25:04,650 leaves these breadcrumbs behind. 404 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:08,260 Every time you even look at your phone, you leave a trace. 405 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,530 Every time you buy a ticket to go into the subway, 406 00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:14,000 every time you buy lunch with your phone, 407 00:25:14,060 --> 00:25:15,760 every time you book a hotel, 408 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:17,800 you leave a digital trace behind. 409 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:21,570 And I thought, well, why don't we just use that digital trace 410 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,010 to try to expose names of spies involved in assassinations, 411 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:27,680 poisonings, 412 00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:31,780 but also to prove who gave them carte blanche 413 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,120 to go around the world and create havoc. 414 00:25:37,790 --> 00:25:40,760 How many Russian agents have you uncovered, do you think? 415 00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:44,430 Probably...definitely more than a thousand, 416 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:48,230 I would say in the range of 4 to 5,000. 417 00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:51,630 Christo Grozev, who identified the Russians involved 418 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:55,340 in poisoning Putin opposition leader, Alexei Navalny. 419 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,840 Christo was just placed on Russia's wanted list. 420 00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:00,640 I think it's a fatwa of some sort. 421 00:26:00,710 --> 00:26:04,810 I mean, it's like a message that to other journalists as well 422 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,510 that don't come and don't meddle into... 423 00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:08,150 Don't do investigations into Russia. 424 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:09,450 And yet you continue to do it. 425 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,950 Um, and you more than anyone know 426 00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:13,190 at what possible cost. 427 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,220 It's become a sort of an obsession, 428 00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:18,560 and if a day passes without me 429 00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:21,130 having found at least a couple of spies, 430 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,300 I would really, really feel a withdrawal. 431 00:26:26,270 --> 00:26:30,640 But what really drives me and a lot of my colleagues is 432 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:35,580 the cat-and-mouse nature of it and the game of it. 433 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,380 (playful music) 434 00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:40,820 And what is interesting is that 435 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,720 I started with the case of the Skripal poisonings. 436 00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:50,960 We wanted to be the first to crack it for the world to know. 437 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:54,730 And so the question was: who were the assassins? 438 00:26:57,270 --> 00:27:01,100 So we assumed that they would have been in Britain between 439 00:27:01,170 --> 00:27:03,670 March 2nd and March 5th. 440 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,470 So I'm like, hm, 441 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:10,380 if we were able to get all the passenger lists of all flights 442 00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:13,450 into London from Russia on these days... 443 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:17,350 maybe we can find these guys. 444 00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:21,090 And I found... 445 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:24,390 two passengers travelling together. 446 00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:26,290 And look at this, the passport numbers 447 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,700 are only three digits apart. 448 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,270 Two people sat next to each other with two passports 449 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:35,900 issued literally within an hour of one another. 450 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,540 That's not possible. 451 00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:41,340 That sort of thing doesn't naturally happen. 452 00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:44,180 And then the question was, are these real names 453 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:46,280 and real people, or are they fake? 454 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:48,550 It was just a breadcrumb of data, 455 00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:52,120 but that's literally where it all began for us. 456 00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:00,660 (helicopter whirring) 457 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,930 Reporter: Police say the man and his daughter 458 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,770 remain critically ill in hospital, 459 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:09,270 and the case is being treated as attempted murder. 460 00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:14,240 Amber Rudd: When I went to the hospital 461 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:16,440 to talk to the medical staff there... 462 00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:20,750 survival of the Skripals looked in doubt. 463 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:22,880 (tense music) 464 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:27,960 And the senior consultant in charge was tired, 465 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:31,530 to say the least, and was, you know, there were doctors, 466 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:33,230 medical people at their best, 467 00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:35,430 trying to keep these two people alive. 468 00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,630 Stephen: It was chaotic. It became more and more chaotic 469 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:39,970 as the week went on. 470 00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:44,840 Yulia and Sergei remained extremely unwell. 471 00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:49,510 They were in an induced coma and I... 472 00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:51,950 I honestly thought they were going to die. 473 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,620 They had very unusual symptoms, 474 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520 the slow heart rate, the low blood pressure, 475 00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:02,460 the slow respiratory rate, the pinpoint pupils. 476 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,460 There was no way this was a conventional poisoning. 477 00:29:06,490 --> 00:29:08,900 But this was something far, far darker. 478 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,730 (wind howling) 479 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,610 Newsreader: British police now believe 480 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840 that former Russian spy Sergei Skripal 481 00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:24,150 and his daughter Yulia 482 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,650 were poisoned with a nerve agent. 483 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:28,380 (sinister music) 484 00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:30,790 Amber Rudd: After it had been tested at Porton Down, 485 00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:33,690 they were able to explain that this had been 486 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,960 a poisoning of Novichok. 487 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,730 Reporter: Novichok is the name for a family of nerve agents 488 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:41,330 said to be the most deadly ever created. 489 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,330 It's a terrifying word, Novichok, 490 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,540 and then most of us were hearing it for the first time. 491 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,110 You learn about quite how lethal it is. 492 00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:56,680 Only a tiny amount was needed to potentially kill somebody. 493 00:29:57,910 --> 00:30:01,350 We were told it was sort of Russia's favourite agent, 494 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:03,250 Putin's, particularly. 495 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,160 Richard: Putin was sending a very clear message. 496 00:30:09,860 --> 00:30:14,500 You know, assassination has been part of Russian political life 497 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,700 since the Middle Ages. 498 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,870 I mean, it was used by the Tsars. 499 00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:24,240 And the interesting thing 500 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:27,780 is it's usually used against people 501 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,450 who the Russians would categorise as traitors. 502 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:36,420 I mean, that means in Russian eyes, spying for the West. 503 00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:40,460 I mean, when I was in MI6, 504 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,760 Russian military intelligence officers were extremely angry 505 00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:48,630 about the way that they had emerged from the Cold War. 506 00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:53,740 And the, sort of, breakup of the Soviet Empire. 507 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,670 You know, it was a good time to recruit Russians. 508 00:30:57,740 --> 00:30:58,840 (chuckles) 509 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:04,510 Mark: Putin has described the collapse of Soviet Union 510 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:07,920 as the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century. 511 00:31:08,550 --> 00:31:10,020 And in some ways, 512 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,320 I think Skripal would also have seen it as a great tragedy. 513 00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:18,990 It's one of those curious things, isn't it, 514 00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:24,330 about human nature that people can have the same starting point 515 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,700 but end up in very different places 516 00:31:26,770 --> 00:31:28,400 or mentalities about things. 517 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:30,970 Reporter: The ruble has lost another 10% of its value 518 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,310 against the dollar since the start of the year. 519 00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:36,340 Mark: In the mid-1990s, when everything in Russia 520 00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:39,710 was really going haywire, 521 00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:43,950 oligarchs gobbling up key sectors of industry. 522 00:31:46,450 --> 00:31:49,720 And so Putin has come to the conclusion 523 00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:54,630 that he's got to rebuild, in effect, the Soviet Union, 524 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:58,870 whereas Skripal has come to the conclusion 525 00:31:58,930 --> 00:32:00,770 that, no, it's gone, 526 00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:07,280 and that his primary interest is to make sure 527 00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:09,840 that he and his family are looked after. 528 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:20,520 And so MI6 gave him the opportunity to get out. 529 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,530 (bells tolling) 530 00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:36,500 Reporter: The historic city of Salisbury. 531 00:32:38,110 --> 00:32:40,780 Population around 50,000 532 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,480 and the location of the first chemical weapons attack 533 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:45,650 in this country. 534 00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:48,020 Good evening, ladies and gents. I'm Keir Pritchard, 535 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,580 the Chief Constable for Wiltshire... 536 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:51,650 Meg: At one of our public meetings, 537 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,320 we were told that a nerve agent had been used, 538 00:32:57,060 --> 00:33:01,400 and it was one of those moments where you think, 539 00:33:01,460 --> 00:33:04,300 "Well, that's actually quite serious." 540 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:07,440 The agent couldn't possibly still be out 541 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,840 there somewhere in Salisbury. 542 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,040 Apparently, it would have taken only a few drops to have killed, 543 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:17,650 I think it was 4,000 people. 544 00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:21,250 And then we were told exactly where it had come from. 545 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,820 Reporter: This afternoon, the UK released a statement 546 00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:27,720 saying they had pinpointed a Russian military research base 547 00:33:27,790 --> 00:33:30,530 as the place that produced the Novichok. 548 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:35,960 Theresa May: The intelligence made very clear 549 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:38,370 that Russia had been responsible for this. 550 00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:42,340 I mean, we have international laws and rules 551 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,970 about not using chemical weapons. 552 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:47,810 So there's that point in time where 553 00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:50,280 you have to start preparing for the worst. 554 00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:51,410 (press clamouring) 555 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,650 Will this government stand up to Russia 556 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:55,520 if a link is proved? 557 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,850 Amber Rudd: There were people who thought 558 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,260 we should treat this attack as an act of war. 559 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:06,860 (suspenseful music) 560 00:34:06,930 --> 00:34:09,760 And so the Prime Minister decided it was time 561 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:12,430 to call out Russia. 562 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:21,680 Order! 563 00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:23,580 Order! 564 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,550 Order! 565 00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:27,550 I say to members, Order! 566 00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:30,850 Members must calm down. 567 00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:35,560 It's as simple and incontestable as that. 568 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:36,820 (jeering) 569 00:34:36,890 --> 00:34:38,790 Statement, the Prime Minister. 570 00:34:39,060 --> 00:34:41,300 Hear, hear! 571 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,230 With permission, Mr Speaker, I would like to update the House 572 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,700 on the incident in Salisbury, and the steps we are... 573 00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:49,800 Amber Rudd: It was a very serious moment. 574 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,840 House was packed, and it was incredibly quiet. 575 00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:55,840 And you know, the House of Commons is usually... 576 00:34:55,910 --> 00:34:58,950 There's a lot of kind of shouting and name-calling 577 00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:00,450 and argy-bargy. 578 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,620 Not that day. 579 00:35:02,020 --> 00:35:05,250 As a nation that believes in justice and the rule of law, 580 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,290 it is essential that we proceed in the right way. 581 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,630 Led not by speculation, but by the evidence. 582 00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:12,860 Hear, hear. 583 00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:14,060 Amber Rudd: I was feeling 584 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:16,330 pretty uncomfortable and concerned. 585 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,630 Producer: Was Theresa feeling the same way? 586 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,170 Did she ever tell you about how she was feeling? 587 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:24,470 (laughs) No, the Prime Minister doesn't tell you her feelings. 588 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:28,640 It is now clear that Mr Skripal and his daughter were poisoned 589 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:31,010 with a military-grade nerve agent 590 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,510 of a type developed by Russia. 591 00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:37,450 This is part of a group of nerve agents known as Novichok. 592 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,450 The government has concluded that it is highly likely 593 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,020 that Russia was responsible for the act against 594 00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:45,290 Sergei and Yulia Skripal. 595 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,760 -Hear, hear! -Mr Speaker, 596 00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:49,730 this attempted murder using a weapons-grade nerve agent 597 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,570 in a British town was not just a crime against the Skripals. 598 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,300 It was an indiscriminate and reckless act 599 00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:59,440 against the United Kingdom, 600 00:35:59,510 --> 00:36:02,440 putting the lives of innocent civilians at risk. 601 00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:05,380 And we will not tolerate such a brazen attempt 602 00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:08,050 to murder innocent civilians on our soil. 603 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,990 I commend this statement to the House. 604 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,020 Order! Order! 605 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,060 Mark: Of course, attributing these attacks was important, 606 00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:22,660 but I felt we needed to go further, 607 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:26,900 um, and actually impose significant sanctions. 608 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,640 Amber Rudd: Our ambassador was dispatched... 609 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,840 ...military-grade nerve agent... 610 00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:33,140 Amber Rudd: ...because whatever we did, 611 00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:36,110 it had to be done in unity with other countries, 612 00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:42,580 but we didn't know how each country would actually respond. 613 00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:43,720 (tense music) 614 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,050 Trump: Getting along with Russia 615 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,420 would be a good thing, 616 00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:47,390 not a bad thing. 617 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:49,790 And just about everybody agrees to that, 618 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:51,790 except very stupid people. 619 00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:54,130 It was really challenging, 620 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,660 partly because of Russian disinformation. 621 00:36:56,730 --> 00:37:02,000 They say we have actual facts that you did it. 622 00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:06,340 Okay, if you have facts, come to us, put the facts on the table. 623 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:09,340 There's something in the psyche of the Russian state 624 00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:12,080 which long pre-dates the Putin regime... 625 00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:15,720 President Putin, is Russia behind the poisoning? 626 00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:18,650 Mark: ...in which lying 627 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,290 and everyone knowing that you're lying is a sign of power, 628 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,630 because you can lie and you aren't held accountable for it. 629 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:26,690 (speaking in Russian) 630 00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:42,680 I thought it was grotesque seeing these people mocking us, 631 00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:46,480 telling these colourful lies. 632 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:48,820 It caused a certain amount of confusion. 633 00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:51,520 (speaking in Russian) 634 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,600 (laughter) 635 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,870 Richard: I don't think anyone really anticipated 636 00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:17,810 how far relations between Russia and the West would go belly up. 637 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,110 (ominous music) 638 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:24,080 Putin's attitude to the West had changed. 639 00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:29,590 (speaking in Russian) 640 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:42,500 Well, my last visit to Moscow was... 641 00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:46,710 probably the beginning of 2004. 642 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:50,740 Tony Blair asked my advice, 643 00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:54,750 whether the UK couldn't have a different relationship 644 00:38:54,820 --> 00:38:56,480 with this Russian leader. 645 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,520 And I was certainly one of the people that said to Blair, 646 00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:07,330 "Well, why not give it a try?" 647 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,370 You know, we were quite keen, 648 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,670 and I mean, we, I'm talking almost generally about the West, 649 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:17,200 to try and have a different relationship 650 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:19,440 with a different sort of Russian leader. 651 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:25,510 I don't think we initially saw him 652 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:29,680 as this autocrat he's become. 653 00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:50,570 (suspenseful music) 654 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:37,010 The investigation was still working at incredible pace. 655 00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:41,380 Neil: Our whole team had been working night and day on this. 656 00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:43,420 Going through it frame by frame, 657 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,890 tens of thousands of hours 658 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:47,590 of closed-circuit television footage. 659 00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:50,260 And then I remember getting the call from Dean 660 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,790 and going into Dean's office. 661 00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:56,760 He said, I've got a photograph of the suspect in the case. 662 00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:01,540 Dean: They came into the country on false identities. 663 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,770 On the Sunday, 4th of March, 664 00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:07,610 the suspects travelled down to Salisbury, 665 00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:09,910 they walked around the town centre 666 00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:13,180 and then, for a short period of time, 667 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,650 their movements are not captured by CCTV, 668 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,050 but we're confident they went to the home address of Sergei, 669 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:21,690 placed Novichok on the door handle. 670 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,090 They then left and immediately flew out of the country 671 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,400 via Heathrow Airport, returning to Moscow in Russia. 672 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:35,170 Neil: So we're sitting there thinking how brilliant it was 673 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,240 to have images of these people. 674 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,180 Dean: The key outstanding issue, though, was the Novichok. 675 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880 How did it get into the country, and where was it now? 676 00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:46,810 Neil: We were pretty sure 677 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,120 they've discarded the Novichok in Salisbury. 678 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,750 It could've been in the park, it could've been in the bin, 679 00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,860 it could've been thrown in the river. 680 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,530 And I was getting paranoid that somebody else was gonna 681 00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:02,100 potentially fall seriously ill or...or die. 682 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,640 Charlie: I had just moved into my place. 683 00:43:13,310 --> 00:43:15,110 (mysterious music) 684 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:20,050 It was a place that houses people that need to be rehoused. 685 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:22,980 And I was happy as punch to move in. 686 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,650 I was planning for Dawn to move in. 687 00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:31,160 I'd known her for 16 months, 688 00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:34,800 so we'd probably been an item for a year of that. 689 00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:38,970 And she was a very, very kind, loving person. 690 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,200 Yeah, we were quite happy together. 691 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,240 (horn tooting) 692 00:43:46,310 --> 00:43:51,550 I used to go around Salisbury and get things for the house. 693 00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:55,880 There's a few charity places. 694 00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:59,850 They would always leave unwanted stuff out the back. 695 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,960 (eerie music) 696 00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:05,290 They're very large bins, you could climb in them, 697 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,760 they were that big. 698 00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:10,230 That's where I'd find most of my things, yeah. 699 00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:14,770 It did carry a bit of a stigma being seen in a bin... 700 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,900 (chuckles) 701 00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:18,670 ...but, uh, it reaped its rewards. 702 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,480 Very occasionally, I'd find jewellery and give it to Dawn. 703 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:34,190 She often made comments about getting her an engagement ring, 704 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,660 so I would always dig to the bottom 705 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:41,860 just in case I'd find that... that ring. 706 00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:48,500 And then one time, I couldn't believe it. 707 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,280 Right at the bottom was a very expensive-looking perfume. 708 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,680 I didn't give it to Dawn immediately, it just sat around. 709 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,120 I was waiting for the right time. 710 00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:19,330 Reporter: It had been feared that neither Sergei Skripal 711 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,200 nor his daughter Yulia would ever recover 712 00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:24,200 from the nerve agent attack. 713 00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:26,310 But now, after a month in a coma 714 00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:28,240 in Salisbury District Hospital, 715 00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:30,010 there was this announcement. 716 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,880 (speaking in Russian) 717 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:43,420 I didn't realise she was going to come on the television. 718 00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:47,160 And I became slightly emotional. 719 00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:48,860 (haunting music) 720 00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:53,600 When I last saw her, she was desperately unwell. 721 00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,370 Was trying pull at the tube that was in her trachea, 722 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,010 and she was terrified. 723 00:46:00,710 --> 00:46:03,610 But during that time, I was talking to her, 724 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,250 uh, reassuring her that she was safe. 725 00:46:06,310 --> 00:46:09,280 And meanwhile, Sergei next door, he was, 726 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:11,690 "When I get out of here, I'm going to kill these... 727 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:13,190 you know, I know who's done this. 728 00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:14,290 I'll kill the fuckers." 729 00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:15,520 Sergei, you can't say that! 730 00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:17,990 You know, everything he said was being recorded. 731 00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:21,700 At any one time, there were four police officers 732 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,100 who were clearly very heavily armed, 733 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,630 and there was always a people carrier 734 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:29,070 with other police officers in the car park. 735 00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:32,670 And it was like that until they were discharged. 736 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:36,280 Reporter: Sergei Skripal's home 737 00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:39,050 is still a closely guarded crime scene, 738 00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:41,250 As to where he and his daughter are now, 739 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,850 well, that's a secret. 740 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,220 It's a mystery, you know, no one knows... 741 00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:47,450 he got poisoned, he was in hospital, 742 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,820 and then he disappeared. 743 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,690 I'd imagine Yulia 744 00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:54,900 is leading more of a normal life than her father. 745 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,570 You know, you do think, where did he end up? 746 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,520 (haunting Russian folk music) 747 00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:34,460 (indistinct shouting and cheering) 748 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,410 (cheering) 749 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:06,890 (suspenseful music) 750 00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:17,400 Mark: Basically, Sergei's posting to Madrid 751 00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:19,470 produced a moment of opportunity. 752 00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:24,540 MI6 had been looking at him for a while. 753 00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:28,880 Often these targets for cultivation, 754 00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:32,350 it's through things like interception of communications. 755 00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:33,250 Hello? 756 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,460 They hear them on the phone moaning. 757 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,790 They haven't got enough money, or 758 00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:39,390 they don't like what's going on at home politically. 759 00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:42,130 "I'm disgusted with the collapse of Soviet power." 760 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,700 - (speaking in Russian) -But there's no point 761 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,000 crying over spilt milk. 762 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:47,130 (speaking in Russian) 763 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,640 And it's really every man and woman 764 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,170 for themselves. 765 00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:55,510 So the officer who was sent to cultivate Skripal 766 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,140 was posing as a businessman. 767 00:49:59,050 --> 00:50:00,350 (speaking in Russian) 768 00:50:00,410 --> 00:50:04,520 They had multiple meetings, various contacts. 769 00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:09,220 Restaurants, and once or twice I think they went to nightclubs, 770 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,790 and Skripal felt they were becoming actual friends. 771 00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,230 I've heard it described by a former MI6 officer 772 00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:23,770 as, you know, a seduction in which you're using 773 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,680 all your intelligence and guile and charm and persuasiveness... 774 00:50:32,350 --> 00:50:35,650 to get someone to make the worst mistake of their lives. 775 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,720 Uh, in other words, to turn traitor, in Russian terms. 776 00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:44,320 (speaking in Russian) 777 00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:48,430 This MI6 officer, he brought presents. 778 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,430 And one of the presents he brought 779 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:56,270 was this little resin model of a typical English country cottage. 780 00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:59,170 And clearly, to him... 781 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:00,270 (poignant music) 782 00:51:00,340 --> 00:51:01,980 ...meant a great deal. 783 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,140 (speaking in Russian) 784 00:51:04,210 --> 00:51:05,710 In some ways, I suppose 785 00:51:05,780 --> 00:51:08,580 it sort of symbolised his dream of oldie England 786 00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:11,650 or Little England, or however you want to put it. 787 00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:17,490 Richard: The myth of England is quite powerful. 788 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:24,600 A lot of the best spies are attracted by the myth. 789 00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:26,430 Producer: What is the myth? 790 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,800 Well, it's been created over time. 791 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:32,740 It's a combination of fact and fiction. 792 00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:34,610 (jaunty music) 793 00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:37,640 (cheering) 794 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,880 (background laughter) 795 00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:48,990 Richard: This country can offer something 796 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:50,720 which is pretty unique. 797 00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:53,490 -Producer: The brand is good? -Well, the brand is bloody good. 798 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,530 Excuse my language, but... (chuckles) 799 00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:01,430 You don't spy unless there's a damn good reason for it. 800 00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:06,270 It's a massive risk for them to take. 801 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,640 (wind whistling) 802 00:52:21,690 --> 00:52:23,760 (brooding music) 803 00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:27,630 The information MI6 got from him was technicolour. 804 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,100 You know, this was not just a vivid picture 805 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,770 of the internal structure and machinations 806 00:52:33,830 --> 00:52:36,300 of Russian intelligence services, 807 00:52:36,940 --> 00:52:38,670 it was the whole thing. 808 00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:35,660 John: Putin is a man who requires loyalty 809 00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:40,670 in order to stay in the exalted position that he has. 810 00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:44,740 It's about instilling fear. 811 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,810 If anybody ever betrays him, 812 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,510 they will never be forgiven. 813 00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:56,520 In a sense, it's a sign of his own weakness. 814 00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:57,880 (foreboding music) 815 00:53:57,950 --> 00:54:00,220 It's not as if he's deeply unpopular 816 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,060 amongst the Russian people, 817 00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:08,460 but those close to him know the level of corruption around him. 818 00:54:12,030 --> 00:54:15,070 And know how brutal he is. 819 00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:20,670 And many of them despise Putin's leadership 820 00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:22,940 and know that Russia could actually do better 821 00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:24,710 with a different type of leader. 822 00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:31,450 It takes incredible bravery and courage for individuals 823 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,250 to decide that they're going to buck their own system 824 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,390 and they're going to follow their values. 825 00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:38,630 (foreboding music intensifies) 826 00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:43,330 You know the risks associated... 827 00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:47,570 and you still do it. 828 00:54:50,740 --> 00:54:52,410 If you're risking your life for something, 829 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:55,280 you rarely risk your life just for a bit more money. 830 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:59,450 It has to be something more fundamental than that. 831 00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:10,290 Mark: At a certain point, 832 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,560 the spy hunters in Moscow, 833 00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:18,100 they got these indications that there were some leaks. 834 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,800 (suspenseful music) 835 00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:23,500 Russian intelligence had been watching Sergei for a while. 836 00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:29,540 One of the things you'd have to say about Sergei Skripal 837 00:55:31,340 --> 00:55:33,810 is that he didn't have a very finely developed sense 838 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,280 of when he was in danger, 839 00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:41,520 right up until, you know, the time when he was lifted. 840 00:55:43,690 --> 00:55:45,190 (banging) 841 00:55:45,260 --> 00:55:46,590 (indistinct shouting) 842 00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:55,370 (speaking in Russian) 843 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:14,650 (applause) 844 00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:25,330 John: If your upbringing is in a country like Russia, 845 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,570 then you know what the price of betraying your country is. 846 00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,570 Sergei Skripal was sentenced to 13 years of hard labour 847 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680 in one of Russia's brutal prison camps, 848 00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:42,550 and of course, many people who go into those labour camps 849 00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:44,380 aren't expected to survive. 850 00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:49,720 And the only way of getting them out 851 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,660 is offering the Russians something that they badly want 852 00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:56,530 in return for something which you would rather like. 853 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,170 (siren wailing) 854 00:56:59,230 --> 00:57:00,870 Luckily for Skripal, 855 00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:03,070 in the early months of 2010, 856 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:06,440 an opportunity came. (hopeful music) 857 00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:08,470 Speculation is reaching fever pitch 858 00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:11,180 that the biggest spy swap since the end of the Cold War 859 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:12,810 is about to take place. 860 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,380 Reporter: An American official says CIA chief Leon Panetta 861 00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:17,980 personally worked out the deal. 862 00:57:18,050 --> 00:57:22,420 Leon Panetta, my US Counterpart, called me and said, 863 00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:27,630 "We have caught and arrested a network of sleeper agents, 864 00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:30,000 Russian spies, who were deeply embedded 865 00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:31,800 inside the American system. 866 00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:36,440 The Russians really want these people back, 867 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,870 and we're going to obviously negotiate terms for that. 868 00:57:39,940 --> 00:57:41,640 "Is there anybody on your side 869 00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:44,240 who you'd like to see extracted from Russia?" 870 00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:46,580 And so I said, "Yes." 871 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,420 Reporter: A few hours earlier, the swap itself 872 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,420 occurred at Vienna Airport. 873 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:57,220 Reporter: 10 Russian agents who confessed to spying in America 874 00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:59,360 have arrived in Moscow, and four Russians 875 00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:01,090 who'd confessed to spying for the West 876 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,800 have arrived in Britain. 877 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,100 Mark: At that time... 878 00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:10,970 the relationship between Putin and the West 879 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,910 was good enough for Sergei to consider his own safety 880 00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:20,580 to be pretty much airtight. 881 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:23,280 He definitely did not consider 882 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:28,720 that an assassination unit would be turning up on his doorstep. 883 00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:34,790 (bells ringing distantly) 884 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:57,750 Emma: It did actually feel like things 885 00:58:57,820 --> 00:58:59,590 were getting back to normal. 886 00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:02,990 We couldn't be sure that we were safe but... 887 00:59:03,590 --> 00:59:07,330 the police, they seemed so chilled about it. 888 00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:09,760 You know, if the future king and queen of England 889 00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:12,930 are in Salisbury, you know, speaking to people, 890 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,570 it's surely over by this point, isn't it? 891 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,200 (suspenseful music) 892 00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:22,710 Meg: Everything calmed down, 893 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,010 we got the city back, 894 00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:28,750 the ducks returned, 895 00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:33,750 and it was just a joy. 896 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,190 I think everyone was happy to celebrate being safe again. 897 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,330 We had such an enjoyable time, very special. 898 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,700 Kelvin: It was a magnificent day. 899 00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:51,570 And in this church... 900 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,510 (distant singing) 901 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,780 ...we also had a ceremony of going out into the Maltings, 902 00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,450 where it had all taken place. 903 01:00:00,410 --> 01:00:02,750 It was a way of saying, actually, this is our city, 904 01:00:02,820 --> 01:00:05,450 and, uh, we have our values. 905 01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:12,460 This water of new life, I symbolically cleanse our city. 906 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,060 (cheering and laughing) 907 01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:19,770 Emma: The cleansing of the city of Novichok 908 01:00:19,830 --> 01:00:21,800 was quite a thing to see. 909 01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:23,470 (ominous music) 910 01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:28,140 But there was part of me that thought, "This is not over yet." 911 01:00:46,090 --> 01:00:48,790 It was just a normal Saturday. 912 01:00:49,230 --> 01:00:53,300 We were just watching a bit of daytime TV, 913 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,100 and... 914 01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:02,910 I decided to give Dawn the perfume which I'd found. 915 01:01:02,980 --> 01:01:05,140 (foreboding music) 916 01:01:05,210 --> 01:01:09,350 She'd sprayed it, and gave it a sniff, 917 01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:11,320 then applied it on her wrists. 918 01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:14,150 But it was strange. 919 01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:17,390 A perfume with no smell. 920 01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:23,300 A short while after that, she said she felt peculiar. 921 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,340 She left to go to the bathroom and I, um, heard a clonk. 922 01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:33,840 I went in the bathroom, 923 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,840 and she wouldn't... wouldn't respond. 924 01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:39,910 Yeah, it's... 925 01:01:42,550 --> 01:01:43,950 Sorry, yeah. 926 01:01:46,990 --> 01:01:48,220 Yeah. 927 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,060 (suspenseful music) 928 01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:57,200 Phoned 999, 929 01:01:58,830 --> 01:02:00,800 before I become ill myself. 930 01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:06,410 Neil: Paramedics had been called to the house. 931 01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:08,610 Salisbury police seemed very confused. 932 01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:10,380 They've immediately jumped to the conclusion 933 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,950 that this is just a couple of drug addicts, 934 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,850 which is a terrible assumption 935 01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:18,880 because she wasn't a drug addict. 936 01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:20,120 She was a... 937 01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:22,290 you know, a loving mum of three. 938 01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:26,330 It was the worst-case scenario. 939 01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:31,030 Reporter: The nerve agent incident 940 01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:32,830 that's cast a shadow over Salisbury 941 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,570 has taken a serious turn for the worst. 942 01:02:36,370 --> 01:02:38,270 Now it's murder. 943 01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:43,080 It was just the hugest shock. 944 01:02:43,810 --> 01:02:47,750 Reporter: Dawn Sturgess died following exposure to Novichok. 945 01:02:48,580 --> 01:02:52,720 Emma: I was the first person at the scene where she was found. 946 01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:54,320 I just burst into tears. 947 01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:58,520 This woman, you know, this innocent woman... 948 01:02:59,060 --> 01:03:01,890 It could've been me. It could've been any of us. 949 01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:06,730 I also felt incredibly sorry for Charlie because he loved her, 950 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,440 and he effectively felt responsible for killing her. 951 01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:13,840 It was just the world's greatest tragedy. 952 01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:19,750 Reporter: A counterfeit bottle of designer perfume 953 01:03:19,810 --> 01:03:21,050 brought from Moscow, 954 01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:22,880 the suspected weapon. 955 01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:26,790 There was enough volume of Novichok 956 01:03:26,850 --> 01:03:31,160 in that tiny perfume tester bottle to kill 10,000 people. 957 01:03:32,060 --> 01:03:35,290 Which, to me, made it a weapon of mass destruction. 958 01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:37,900 I dunno about you, but I tend to think of 959 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,170 intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads 960 01:03:41,230 --> 01:03:43,040 as weapons of mass destruction. 961 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:46,310 Not a Nina Ricci perfume tester bottle. 962 01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:48,210 Journalist: Should the public have been alerted sooner 963 01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:49,840 to potential dangers? 964 01:03:52,010 --> 01:03:54,110 Theresa May: What I felt was a... 965 01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:57,750 not just a profound sense of sympathy 966 01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:00,920 um, and concern for her friends and family 967 01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:02,790 and obviously for her partner, 968 01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:04,520 (indistinct dialogue) 969 01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:10,630 ...but also immense anger at the Russian agents who did this 970 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,070 and a steely determination that we were going to get them. 971 01:04:17,470 --> 01:04:20,040 And I've got a prime minister, a national security advisor, 972 01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:22,810 a cabinet secretary and an entire cabinet going, 973 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,480 "We need to say something." 974 01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:27,350 So, the press conference was called 975 01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:30,880 largely to say we've done everything we possibly can do. 976 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,620 Both suspects are approximately 40 years old. 977 01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:36,360 They are both Russian nationals, 978 01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:39,130 and they were travelling on Russian passports. 979 01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:40,560 (tense music) 980 01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:43,830 It is likely that they were travelling under aliases, 981 01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:45,660 and these are not their real names. 982 01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:48,770 Reporter: Police have determined that the pair left 983 01:04:48,830 --> 01:04:50,400 soon after the attack 984 01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:52,410 and that neither of them were known 985 01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:55,210 to British intelligence authorities. 986 01:04:57,180 --> 01:05:00,010 Christo: So here we're looking at this press release, 987 01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:05,220 which showed clearly nobody knew the real names 988 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,050 behind these fake identities. 989 01:05:08,250 --> 01:05:09,420 We see it as a puzzle, 990 01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:12,320 and we have to start with the data we have. 991 01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:16,730 Two faces, two fake names, a rough age. 992 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,930 So that's a puzzle we have to fit all of these few clues 993 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,510 into a world of what, 200 million people living in Russia. 994 01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:33,950 And then suddenly, Putin comes into the whole story 995 01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:36,350 and makes a statement. 996 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,390 (speaking in Russian) 997 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,130 Christo: And he goes and says, 998 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:50,160 "I think these are very law-abiding, good citizens." 999 01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:52,060 "There's nothing criminal about them, 1000 01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:53,870 but let them speak about themselves, 1001 01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:55,370 let them come forward." 1002 01:05:56,670 --> 01:05:59,870 (speaking in Russian) 1003 01:06:01,970 --> 01:06:04,110 (mysterious music) 1004 01:06:05,340 --> 01:06:07,110 So we stop in our tracks and say, 1005 01:06:07,180 --> 01:06:09,420 "Well, this is becoming bigger than we thought." 1006 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,180 "Why don't we just wait and see what gets published?" 1007 01:06:12,590 --> 01:06:16,220 And the next day, Russia Today airs the famous interview 1008 01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:17,690 with the two of them. 1009 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,890 (speaking in Russian) 1010 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,040 Christo: The whole world was waiting to see 1011 01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:39,680 what the hell this could be. 1012 01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:42,210 They must have a really strong case. 1013 01:07:05,470 --> 01:07:09,010 Well, it's still as cringeworthy as anything I've seen. 1014 01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:11,840 I've never seen anything more cringy. 1015 01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:26,530 Christo: You just have to look at the 1016 01:07:26,590 --> 01:07:28,190 ridiculousness around their face 1017 01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:30,660 to know that that is just a lie. 1018 01:07:31,060 --> 01:07:33,130 (mysterious music) 1019 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,700 Christo: And so we started trying to contact 1020 01:07:35,770 --> 01:07:39,270 former military officers from Russia, 1021 01:07:39,340 --> 01:07:41,070 asking a simple question. 1022 01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,510 If these are people in their early 40s, 1023 01:07:43,580 --> 01:07:46,010 and they are professional military spies, 1024 01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:50,180 where would they have studied their trade craft, their skills? 1025 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,520 And we received two answers from two different people 1026 01:07:55,590 --> 01:07:57,560 that converged on the same thing. 1027 01:07:57,890 --> 01:08:00,360 There were only two elite schools that was mentioned 1028 01:08:00,430 --> 01:08:03,800 as a sort of breeding ground for spies. 1029 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,000 One of them was the Far Eastern military institute. 1030 01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:10,270 Why don't you look there? 1031 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,910 So we started digging into it. 1032 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,840 And then the evidence came in the form of a Facebook page 1033 01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:18,840 of a former graduate, 1034 01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:23,880 and he's literally photographing everything as he walks around. 1035 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,190 And then he goes to something 1036 01:08:26,250 --> 01:08:28,620 that is called the Wall of Honour. 1037 01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:30,420 And there in the blurriness, 1038 01:08:30,490 --> 01:08:35,460 we saw a silhouette of somebody with a Hero of Russia award, 1039 01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:38,060 who looks so much like one of our spies. 1040 01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:40,530 But then we zoomed in, we enhanced the photo, 1041 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,370 and there was no doubt that this is our guy. 1042 01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:46,410 But the name under the photo was Anatoliy Chepiga. 1043 01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:51,080 This meant that Boshirov was in fact Anatoliy Chepiga. 1044 01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:55,350 We had a moment of jubilation, but where's the other one? 1045 01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:01,150 We had some minor clues of who this might be, 1046 01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:06,590 but ultimately, we came across a leaked car registration database 1047 01:09:06,830 --> 01:09:09,160 and that showed that the guy we knew, 1048 01:09:09,230 --> 01:09:11,960 Chepiga, had actually sold a car 1049 01:09:12,030 --> 01:09:15,800 to somebody called Alexander Mishkin. 1050 01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:18,500 And they were registered to the same address 1051 01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:19,810 at a dormitory in Moscow 1052 01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:22,340 belonging to Russian military intelligence. 1053 01:09:24,940 --> 01:09:27,280 So we thought maybe this Mishkin guy, 1054 01:09:27,350 --> 01:09:30,550 the guy with the car, is the one we're looking for. 1055 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,890 But we needed to be really sure. 1056 01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:37,060 Then we had discovered that he grew up 1057 01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:39,960 and was born in this tiny village called Loyga. 1058 01:09:44,060 --> 01:09:45,530 And we sent somebody to Loyga. 1059 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,730 Surely we can find somebody who can point him out to us 1060 01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,540 and recognise him on a photo. 1061 01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:56,110 It was a match, 100%. 1062 01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:59,680 Petrov was Alexander Mishkin. 1063 01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:06,390 But the biggest takeaway of that visit to Loyga was that, 1064 01:10:06,450 --> 01:10:07,590 like Chepiga, 1065 01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:11,490 Mishkin also had received the medal of Hero of Russia. 1066 01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:19,700 The thing is that award is only bestowed 1067 01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:20,900 by the President of Russia. 1068 01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:22,570 (dramatic Russian folk music) 1069 01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:25,640 That meant that both Mishkin and Chepiga 1070 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,610 has shaken hands with Putin. 1071 01:10:28,670 --> 01:10:31,780 There was no way Putin would not have known who they are. 1072 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:34,210 (line ringing) 1073 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,150 I remember I got a call from a journalist to say, 1074 01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:40,550 "You've been asking for the evidence, here it is." 1075 01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:41,590 (suspenseful music) 1076 01:10:41,650 --> 01:10:44,060 So now we know exactly who's done this. 1077 01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:47,090 There's no doubt that something like this would have had to have 1078 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,190 been sanctioned by Putin himself. 1079 01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:51,700 Morning. 1080 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,370 There is overwhelming evidence 1081 01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:56,640 that the Novichok was brought to Salisbury 1082 01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:59,200 by Russian GRU officers. 1083 01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:05,340 I am sure that in conducting this attack on Sergei Skripal, 1084 01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:07,950 they must have been acting on instructions 1085 01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:10,180 received from their superiors. 1086 01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:12,450 And I've concluded 1087 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,620 that the operation to assassinate Sergei Skripal 1088 01:11:15,690 --> 01:11:18,790 must have been authorised at the highest level. 1089 01:11:21,790 --> 01:11:24,130 Indeed, by President Putin. 1090 01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:35,340 Now our allies could be 100% sure that it was Russia, 1091 01:11:35,410 --> 01:11:36,580 that they'd done it deliberately. 1092 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:44,250 The 8,362nd meeting of the Security Council 1093 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,590 is called to order. 1094 01:11:47,290 --> 01:11:48,450 Thank you, Mr President. 1095 01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:51,560 The United Kingdom has presented detailed evidence 1096 01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:54,630 clearly laid out in charges of attempted murder 1097 01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:57,200 and the use and possession of a chemical weapon 1098 01:11:57,260 --> 01:11:59,730 against two agents of the Russian state. 1099 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,070 And we will continue to take the necessary steps 1100 01:12:02,130 --> 01:12:04,440 to ensure our collective security. 1101 01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:08,310 I said to President Trump and to other world leaders, 1102 01:12:08,710 --> 01:12:11,610 if we let them do this without a reaction, 1103 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,750 then they will think they are able to do it elsewhere. 1104 01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:16,620 Reporter: 16 EU member states 1105 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,650 have announced the expulsion of Russian diplomats. 1106 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,890 Outside the EU, Ukraine expelled 13 diplomats. 1107 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,130 But the biggest batch of expulsions comes from the US, 1108 01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:28,290 where the White House announced 1109 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,260 60 officials would have to leave, 1110 01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:32,630 including a dozen based at the UN. 1111 01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:36,570 And it was the biggest expulsion of Russian intelligence officers 1112 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,170 around the world that had ever been seen. 1113 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,410 Amber Rudd: Putin only respects strength. 1114 01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:46,780 The only way to respond to him is to stand up to him. 1115 01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:50,150 And we mustn't be frightened of doing that. 1116 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,350 And we must guard NATO's borders literally with our lives. 1117 01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:08,770 Christo: The case of the Skripal poisonings 1118 01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:11,370 never finished for me and my colleagues. 1119 01:13:14,610 --> 01:13:17,280 It just became the beginning of a whole new series 1120 01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:18,940 of investigations. 1121 01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:26,150 Anyway, so I'll show you some specific data a bit later. 1122 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:27,990 (tense music) 1123 01:13:28,050 --> 01:13:29,760 -Hey, man. -How are you? 1124 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:34,060 The last trip taken by him 1125 01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:37,460 travelling on military planes undercover. 1126 01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:40,600 We continued tracking. 1127 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,270 We found they're still living in Russia 1128 01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:45,470 and they're still very much active. 1129 01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:47,040 These are Mishkin's two daughters. 1130 01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:51,340 This daughter was literally born on the day they left Salisbury. 1131 01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:52,680 -No. -Yes. 1132 01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:55,580 I know them better than anyone. 1133 01:13:55,650 --> 01:13:58,280 I certainly know their life better than their wives do. 1134 01:13:58,350 --> 01:14:00,420 We have their medical records, 1135 01:14:00,490 --> 01:14:02,320 car insurance databases, 1136 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:03,960 driver's licenses. 1137 01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:07,260 We even hacked traffic cameras. 1138 01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:11,460 And look at him, he's got like a new fancy beard. 1139 01:14:11,860 --> 01:14:13,300 By tracking them, 1140 01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:18,570 we uncovered a whole new unit run by these guys. 1141 01:14:20,110 --> 01:14:21,940 Nickname: Sabotage University. 1142 01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,080 Turns out they're training the new generation 1143 01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:29,720 of freelance killers. 1144 01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:31,580 (police sirens) 1145 01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:35,620 People from the street with no prior military background, 1146 01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:37,690 criminals from different countries... 1147 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,660 (shouting) 1148 01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:45,660 ...being trained to conduct acts of sabotage... 1149 01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:48,400 Stay still! Stay still! 1150 01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:50,740 ...and assassinations. 1151 01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:57,110 The knowledge of what they're doing today 1152 01:14:57,810 --> 01:15:00,980 allows us to predict what might be happening next. 1153 01:15:02,410 --> 01:15:04,420 There's comes a point where you have to tell the world 1154 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:05,920 what you've found. 1155 01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:07,190 Christo, thanks for joining us. 1156 01:15:07,250 --> 01:15:08,290 Hi. 1157 01:15:08,350 --> 01:15:10,320 We'll be going live in one minute. 1158 01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:11,990 Very good, thank you. 1159 01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:16,130 John: Everybody reads about the plots that get through, 1160 01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:19,330 but no one reads about the plots that are disrupted. 1161 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,000 And there are thousands, if not tens of thousands 1162 01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:24,200 of people now going about their daily lives 1163 01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:27,440 who would have been killed had it not been for the people 1164 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:29,840 who have helped Western intelligence agencies. 1165 01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:37,080 Okay, Christo, going live in 3, 2, and we're live. 1166 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,320 Christo, thanks so much for being with us. 1167 01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:44,420 These are new, blood-curdling discoveries 1168 01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:47,460 that we find today about what these teams are doing, 1169 01:15:47,890 --> 01:15:50,260 all the way from connected crimes, as they call it, 1170 01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:52,730 like killing people, targeting people, 1171 01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:54,470 to disruption, 1172 01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:57,540 to disinformation projects around the world. 1173 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:01,940 I guess what this also does is as well reminds the public 1174 01:16:02,010 --> 01:16:04,440 that this is sort of an ever-present danger. 1175 01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:06,040 -Totally agree. -Okay. 1176 01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:07,350 All the best with your work, Christo. 1177 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:09,680 Thank you. Have a great day. Thanks. Bye. 1178 01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:13,650 Good. 1179 01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:15,490 (sighs) 1180 01:16:22,190 --> 01:16:24,360 (pensive music) 1181 01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:36,310 Meg: What had happened here was so surreal. 1182 01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:43,150 It took a while to sort of work out, what does it mean to me? 1183 01:16:44,150 --> 01:16:48,050 It was like fiction, but it was real. 1184 01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:49,750 Tragic. 1185 01:16:55,730 --> 01:16:59,500 It doesn't sound like it's something that happens 1186 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,770 in your town. 1187 01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:09,070 Emma: You do wonder what happened to Sergei Skripal. 1188 01:17:12,010 --> 01:17:14,680 Is he still here? Does he still come here? 1189 01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:16,620 (jaunty music) 1190 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,480 I mean, I have friends who claim to have seen him 1191 01:17:19,550 --> 01:17:21,720 at the cemetery, 1192 01:17:21,790 --> 01:17:24,220 where his wife is buried. 1193 01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:30,230 (wind whistling) 1194 01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:59,320 ♪ I hear the thunder roar 1195 01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,460 (dramatic Russian folk music) 95446

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