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Yes, uh, we're going
to take over the world.
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When?
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Sooner than you might think.
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Welcome to Burning Man!
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Oh, we got people coming.
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-Welcome home.
-How are you?
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-Hello.
-Oh!
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Dust angels, please.
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Roll over.
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You gotta get
the full package here.
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That's it. Love the dust.
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You may now ring
the man's doorbell and tell him,
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"I'm here to burn!"
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Yell it out.
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I'm here to burn!
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Imagine that you are put upon
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a desert plane,
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a space which in itself
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is so vast and blank,
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that only your initiative
can make that a place.
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Imagine you're surrounded
by thousands of other people,
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that together you form a city,
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and that within
this teeming city,
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there is nothing
that's for sale.
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If you've seen an aerial shot
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of Black Rock City,
it's a beautiful clock shape.
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What people don't know
is that it's an actual city.
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There are roads, neighborhoods,
and community spaces,
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all designed to create
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spontaneous interactions
between people.
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Have you ever been in a city
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where you couldn't buy
or sell anything?
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When you give a gift
or receive a gift from someone,
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it creates an immediate
moral bond with them.
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That's, of course,
where community begins.
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This is an inhospitable,
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natural environment that
will kill you if you let it.
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We live in a consumer society
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and we're completely insulated
from the realities of nature
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in our own inner needs.
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There's nothing like living
through a catastrophe
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with other people
to bond you to them.
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That's the point.
We want that challenge.
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Why do some of the most
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talented, brightest,
most creative people
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come to our temporary city
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in the middle of the desert,
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work harder than
they normally do in their jobs,
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give up their scarce resources,
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and call our little dusty
city home?
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What are they getting here
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that they're not getting
in our year-round cities?
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People keep saying,
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"Well, what does
Burning Man mean?"
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Burning Man leads people
up to the threshold
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of what religious experience is.
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In fact, it gives them
the experience pretty largely.
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It is a city of imagination.
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And imagination
wants to be free and abundant.
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And we're creating joy.
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We're bringing connection.
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In the default world,
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people are more disconnected
and lonelier than ever.
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That's why people think
of Black Rock City as home.
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Four, three, two, one.
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Ignition.
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I don't think it's...
I've got enough... Hang on.
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Can I zip it all the way up?
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People were saying no.
Option down or up?
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It looked a little uptight
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when you got it
all the way up there.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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-I am a little uptight.
-I know.
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Hi, everyone...
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-Hello, people.
-thanks for joining us for a second time.
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We're so excited to share news
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about what's going on
behind the scenes
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at Burning Man Project.
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Without further ado,
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I'll hand it off to our CEO,
Marian Goodell.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Marian.
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We are on the road
to making a decision
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about whether we'll do
Black Rock City 2021.
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It takes a lot
of energy to do this.
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Go, no go, Burning Man.
I have no fucking idea.
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We've faced a number
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of existential crises
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over the years,
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and, and the COVID pandemic
has certainly been one of them.
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The deadly coronavirus
officially hitting the US.
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In 2020,
we didn't really have a choice.
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We had to cancel.
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And it was a...
it was a huge letdown.
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The theme for 2021
was the great unknown
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because we had no freaking idea
if we would do Burning Man
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that year or ever again.
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Honestly, you know,
I'd say that feelings
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were divided
in the organization.
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Do we want to be dealing
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with people with bad
COVID-19 symptoms
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in the middle of nowhere?
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Um, what feels successful?
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Is a successful event
that nobody died from COVID?
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What is the thing that we're
trying to prove by doing this?
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The answer to that
is to not do Black Rock City.
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The reality is, we could still
find ourselves in a situation
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where we don't have
enough money,
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and we'll have to let people go.
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And if we let the people
on this call right now go,
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I don't know that we can
fire up the engines again.
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That's still all true.
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Here I go,
first time back in the office.
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Today's an important day.
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We're going to announce
our decision
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about whether to do Burning Man
or not this year.
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I'm done waiting and wondering
and watching people be tortured
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as to whether we're doing it
or we're not doing it.
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Uh, we need to make a decision.
There's no good decisions.
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There's two bad
decisions to make.
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Marian's been CEO
of Burning Man since 2013,
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and I've been by her side,
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running it with her, ever since.
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Our board is evolving
into a new sort of board.
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We have a fair amount
of new board members,
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and we've not worked together
as a team all that much,
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certainly not with a crisis
like this before.
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They started asking
a lot of questions recently
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about whether
we're gonna survive.
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"Are the finances okay?"
"Am I doing my job?"
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"Is it gonna be safe?"
"Are we doing the right thing?"
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"Are we being responsible?"
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It's kind of becoming
pretty clear
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that it's a lift
that we're not ready for.
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What if we cancel the event?
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We need Burning Man
to survive the pandemic.
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And a lot of people
around the world feel that way.
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-Hi.
-Hey!
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Kimbal was a new board member.
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His brother, Elon,
had made a significant donation,
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and Kimbal
was representing that.
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And he's been coming
to Burning Man
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for over 25 years.
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My name's Kimbal.
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I'm very honored
to be here today with you guys.
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Welcome, Kimbal.
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You know,
I really struggle
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to describe
Burning Man to people.
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But the way I like
to describe it is,
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imagine the beach.
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Some people like it,
some people don't.
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But would you ever
say to someone
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who has never been to the beach,
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"You don't need
to go see the beach"?
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It is an experiment
that is never-ending.
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I think it means different
things to different people.
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For me, personally,
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it is this amazing
opportunity to...
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once a year,
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burn the past
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and start again.
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It's my religion.
It's my ritual.
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It's my spiritual calling.
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And I never miss it.
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Okay, so we're
gonna, uh, turn it over here
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to Marian and her team.
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It's so weird to not be
in front of a laptop, okay?
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Let's just say that's where
I feel weird for a moment.
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Okey-doke.
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So, the item at hand
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is Black Rock City
recommendation and discussion.
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Um, our recommendation is that
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there be no
Black Rock City of 2021,
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and, um, that we aim
all of our efforts
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for Black Rock City 2022.
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Kimbal, you want
to share just a little?
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That's just a bad idea.
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People will be depressed as hell
because of this announcement.
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So, be very thoughtful that
this will traumatize people.
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I found it depressing
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and lacking in vision.
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There is vision, and I've been
thinking about this
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-for quite some time.
-Yeah.
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Farhad?
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I think it's an
incredibly conservative decision.
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Um, and Burning Man is not...
That's not...
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That's not the image
of Burning Man.
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We are radically self-reliant,
we're civically responsible,
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we are a communal effort thing.
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30,000 people or more are gonna
gather in the desert.
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And as long as the 10
Principles are in place,
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Burning Man happens,
with or without us.
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It is really important
that we consider staff,
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the 10,000 folks that through
all of the surveys
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and all the work we're doing,
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there are 10,000 people
that help run
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all of the operations.
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That includes greeters,
that includes lamplighters,
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that includes airport, that
includes Burner Express bus,
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that includes the box office.
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And I'm touching on some of
the areas that when we surveyed,
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the box office was less
than 20% of the people
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wanted to come back.
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The airport was less than 20%.
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And these are volunteers.
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These are not paid people.
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There are gonna be 50 that...
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No, 500 competing events
on Labor Day weekend.
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And what we're basically
saying to the world is,
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"Go try something else
this weekend.
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Please, please go try
something else."
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That sounds crazy.
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The playa is the Vatican,
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and everything else is a church.
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I think, Marian,
you're not challenging yourself.
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I think you guys are, uh,
you're giving up,
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and you shouldn't be,
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and I'm disappointed.
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Burning Man was never
intended to be safe.
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And let's go have
some fun on the playa
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and let the cards fall
where they may.
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I think it'll be
the best burn ever.
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The first thing
I want to say,
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is it the same thing?
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Is it Burning Man
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if our international people
can't be there?
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-Is it Burning Man?
-Yes, it is.
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I don't think it is Burning Man.
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Can I stop
being interrupted?
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Can I stop being
interrupted, please?
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You asked a question.
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Okay, I'm not gonna...
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If I ask another question,
don't answer it.
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Okay. Fair enough.
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If you guys are all thinking
that anarchy
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and that cool, like,
renegade shit is Burning Man,
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-then you're missing the boat.
-Go, Harley, go!
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The thing about Burning Man
that's beautiful is,
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you can have that,
because you have people
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who trust each other
and love each other.
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And without the trust,
and without the love,
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and without the community,
you cannot have that anarchy,
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you cannot have that craziness.
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And that's what
this is all about.
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This is my 30th year.
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I feel like I get Burning Man.
I feel like I know what it is.
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I'm not sure everyone else does.
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The man must burn.
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The man must burn.
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I have joined this board
because the man must burn.
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It will burn.
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Black Rock City doesn't
just pop itself up in August.
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This is a $60 million event
that involves hundreds of people
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who part-time
or full-time, work here.
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Canceling again this year
would mean zero income
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for ticket sales
and massive layoffs.
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Outside of this boardroom,
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nobody knows
that Burning Man is canceled.
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Not even our staff.
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So, can you measure
that space now
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between Blue Oasis
and Donkey Show?
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Yeah, that's about 40 feet.
262
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I lead the team that decides
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where all the camps go.
264
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And, I mean, I think this is a
question I have for Trigger,
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but those two are...
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We have over 1,500 camps
to figure out.
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And, you know, when
you're planning a dinner party,
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when you're planning a wedding,
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like, who's gonna be able
to connect
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and have good conversations,
matters.
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these four cars up here,
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I think we're golden.
273
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Marian is gonna make
an announcement on Saturday.
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I don't know if Burning Man's
gonna be canceled this year,
275
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so I keep doing my job.
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That works, too.
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You've got
at least 10 feet there
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to get in and out,
back to this area,
279
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and this is where your fence...
280
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I grew up in San Francisco,
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and my parents
are immigrants from Burma.
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Burmese culture
is very conservative.
283
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I mean, from my experience
being gay,
284
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and coming out,
and, you know, it wasn't like,
285
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"Oh, great. Let's..."
286
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Full embrace. You know?
287
00:15:55,913 --> 00:15:58,290
I worked for the city
of San Francisco for a decade,
288
00:15:58,332 --> 00:15:59,709
and they were really
proud of that.
289
00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:02,086
They were like, "Oh, you work
for the city. Great."
290
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So, I do tell them
that I still work for a city.
291
00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:07,800
Uh, it's just not the city
they thought it was.
292
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There's no better place
to, like, find love
293
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and fall in love.
294
00:16:17,268 --> 00:16:20,563
And so, what I often say now
is I went for the art,
295
00:16:20,605 --> 00:16:22,607
but I go back for the people.
296
00:16:22,648 --> 00:16:25,067
I actually met my husband
at Burning Man.
297
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I was a little bit more nerdy,
298
00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:29,906
he was a little bit
more carefree.
299
00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:32,074
We were friends
for years before that,
300
00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:34,785
and Burning Man just allowed us
to really connect.
301
00:16:35,703 --> 00:16:38,223
I really hope Marian
makes a decision soon.
302
00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:39,808
It just feels like
an elephant in the room.
303
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As of right now,
304
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the Burning Man
community is building
305
00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:46,547
and planning
for a burn this year.
306
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My name is Lindsay.
307
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:57,433
For the first 88 days
of quarantine,
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I had no human contact
whatsoever.
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Hey, guys.
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Welcome back
to another exciting day
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of experimental psychology.
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It was just me and the dog
and an empty Zoom screen.
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I'm a professor of psychology,
but my passion is horse riding.
314
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People that I meet at school
or during school,
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00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:27,296
they would never know
that I ride horses
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or that I have horses.
317
00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:32,593
I compete in an equestrian
sport called reining.
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It's really fun, really cool.
319
00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,308
So, this is a lot
of horse trophies
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00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:41,352
that I've won over the years.
321
00:17:44,272 --> 00:17:46,190
My mom was the one
that got me into horses,
322
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and one of her favorite things
in the entire world
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00:17:48,943 --> 00:17:50,403
was just to watch me ride.
324
00:17:52,863 --> 00:17:56,242
She passed away in 2015.
325
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It was six weeks from the time
she was, uh, diagnosed
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00:18:01,372 --> 00:18:02,873
until she died.
327
00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,501
So, pretty abrupt
and unexpected.
328
00:18:05,543 --> 00:18:07,169
We were very close.
329
00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:09,380
We would talk all day,
every day.
330
00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:15,219
And now I'm here
in these four walls,
331
00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:18,848
wishing that she could just,
like, tell me what to do,
332
00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:20,433
or what decision to make.
333
00:18:20,474 --> 00:18:22,935
Like, I have so much shit
to do in life...
334
00:18:24,228 --> 00:18:26,272
Which is basically, you know,
what society is.
335
00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:28,208
It's like, go back to work,
get this done, get this done.
336
00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:30,568
Oh, you're sad? That sucks.
Like, go to work, cry...
337
00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:33,613
You know, go cry in...
in-in the car afterwards.
338
00:18:33,654 --> 00:18:34,864
Like...
339
00:18:34,905 --> 00:18:37,074
You kind of always
have to be on.
340
00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:42,788
When COVID first happened,
it got pretty depressing.
341
00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:46,542
So, during that time,
I got into VR.
342
00:18:49,420 --> 00:18:52,715
I had just started
dating someone.
343
00:18:52,757 --> 00:18:54,300
He had had VR headsets,
344
00:18:54,342 --> 00:18:57,887
so we would go and hang out,
and wander.
345
00:18:57,928 --> 00:19:00,056
It's kind of like
a Google Earth.
346
00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:03,934
And we'd go to different
locations that he had traveled.
347
00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:07,897
One of the places that he
showed me was Black Rock City.
348
00:19:07,938 --> 00:19:11,734
And that's how I discovered
Burning Man.
349
00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:15,112
In my mind, I thought it was
just people doing drugs
350
00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:17,114
and having sex in the desert.
351
00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,909
My perception of Burning Man
totally changed.
352
00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:24,413
When I discovered the burner
culture and lifestyle,
353
00:19:24,455 --> 00:19:27,958
that whole community
got me through the pandemic.
354
00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:30,836
I've never been
to Burning Man in person.
355
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:38,302
One of the things I learned
is that there's a temple,
356
00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:41,305
a place to grieve.
357
00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:44,350
Being at Burning Man
358
00:19:44,392 --> 00:19:48,270
and being able to take
some type of tribute or memorial
359
00:19:48,312 --> 00:19:53,859
to temple will be extremely
helpful to sort of find peace
360
00:19:53,901 --> 00:19:56,320
and, and kind of let go,
I guess.
361
00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:02,159
It's something
I really need right now.
362
00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:06,765
The Temple Burn
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00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:09,250
is completely different
than the Man Burn.
364
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:10,876
It's reverent.
365
00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:12,461
It's a spiritual moment.
366
00:20:12,503 --> 00:20:15,172
And it happens every year.
367
00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:23,222
People often go to the temple
368
00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:25,850
with messages to loved ones
that they want to let go
369
00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:27,852
or the energy
that they want to release.
370
00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:32,523
The temple was created
371
00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:34,316
by David Best
after a friend of his
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00:20:34,358 --> 00:20:36,569
passed away unexpectedly,
373
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:40,030
and he wanted to have
a place to grieve.
374
00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:41,741
Where do we go
to grieve these days?
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00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:44,493
If you give me
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00:20:44,535 --> 00:20:45,887
the most painful thing
in your life,
377
00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:47,705
I'll guarantee that
it won't come back.
378
00:20:48,372 --> 00:20:51,417
And how I guarantee that is,
I put it in a safe place.
379
00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,188
I wrote it
in the name of my mother,
380
00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:58,215
of my father, of my...
my best friend in high school
381
00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,884
who was kidnapped and murdered,
382
00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:02,803
along with the names
of thousands of other people.
383
00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,120
We build
this thing to put our sadness,
384
00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:12,104
the way that other people
utilize their church,
385
00:21:12,146 --> 00:21:13,981
or their community,
or what have you.
386
00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:18,778
He's created a sacred space,
387
00:21:18,819 --> 00:21:20,070
is really what he's done,
388
00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:23,741
and everyone has
instinctively honored that.
389
00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:27,870
We use fire
as a place for healing,
390
00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:30,790
not as a... a weapon.
391
00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:36,962
So many people struggling.
392
00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:43,093
There's a need
for a place for grief.
393
00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:07,076
Burning Man
was never intended to be safe,
394
00:22:07,117 --> 00:22:09,495
and... and that's frankly been
a part of the appeal.
395
00:22:10,204 --> 00:22:11,997
My projection is,
396
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:15,751
everything is gonna be back
to normal by the end of July.
397
00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:18,295
Uh, it could be the best
Burning Man ever.
398
00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:22,341
There is a huge
number of people out there
399
00:22:22,383 --> 00:22:24,301
that want to see
Black Rock City happen.
400
00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:28,264
I'm physically
and emotionally exhausted.
401
00:22:28,305 --> 00:22:29,866
I'd say this is probably
the hardest thing
402
00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:31,308
I've had to do.
403
00:22:32,476 --> 00:22:33,811
When Larry passed away,
404
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,521
he was the chairman
of the board,
405
00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:37,439
and our visionary.
406
00:22:37,481 --> 00:22:39,525
I want to introduce you all
to some of the people
407
00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:41,527
that helped create
this community.
408
00:22:41,569 --> 00:22:43,289
Marian ran
the communications team,
409
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,989
she helped start
the regional network,
410
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,615
government relations
and everything.
411
00:22:46,657 --> 00:22:48,826
And she was Larry's
girlfriend at the time, so...
412
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:51,787
Marian's unique
skills in... um, with money,
413
00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:55,541
and business and communication
seemed like reasons
414
00:22:56,125 --> 00:22:57,877
that she would make a good CEO.
415
00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:00,963
She was the executive arm
416
00:23:01,005 --> 00:23:03,007
of Larry's vision,
to some level.
417
00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:07,011
And with the void of the
spiritual leader of Burning Man,
418
00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:09,305
they naturally turned to Marian.
419
00:23:09,346 --> 00:23:12,683
And this wasn't
necessarily her role.
420
00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,897
What do I think Larry
would've thought about this?
421
00:23:18,731 --> 00:23:20,983
I've had a number
of different conversations
422
00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:22,359
with him in my head.
423
00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:26,864
We do our job
as planners this way.
424
00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,491
You had to come here and
you had to survive in nature.
425
00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:32,637
And when people go through that,
426
00:23:32,661 --> 00:23:34,330
it puts them in touch
with other people
427
00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:35,932
because you look
and you see your neighbor,
428
00:23:35,956 --> 00:23:37,917
and you know he's experiencing
the same thing.
429
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:45,215
If we can figure out
how you order a society
430
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:48,344
so that, like a Petri dish,
431
00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:50,054
a culture will grow in it.
432
00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:53,974
And that's where
we stop planning.
433
00:23:55,893 --> 00:23:57,937
Tell me how it began.
434
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,362
We're
in the worst economic mess
435
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:07,571
since the Great Depression.
436
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:09,531
Prices are going up.
437
00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:11,116
I see the lines get bigger
and bigger
438
00:24:11,158 --> 00:24:12,534
outside the unemployment office.
439
00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:14,054
It's the land for the rich,
440
00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:15,412
and the poor can go to hell.
441
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:18,540
Originally,
it was a small group
442
00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:20,268
in the underground culture
of San Francisco.
443
00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,961
Unlike now,
444
00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:23,295
it's hard to imagine,
445
00:24:23,337 --> 00:24:25,714
this city was, uh, in a deep
financial recession.
446
00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:28,217
All these old factories,
buildings,
447
00:24:28,258 --> 00:24:30,302
largely abandoned or destroyed.
448
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:33,389
And so, artists and pranksters,
it was really easy to access.
449
00:24:35,265 --> 00:24:36,725
The Cacophony Society
450
00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:38,727
was a network of free spirits,
451
00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:41,605
united in the pursuit
of experiences
452
00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:44,274
beyond the pale
of mainstream society.
453
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,568
They were devoted
to guerilla theater,
454
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:48,988
appropriating public places
for performances.
455
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:50,966
It's complete anarchy.
"A group of urban adventurers,"
456
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:52,217
is the way they bill themselves.
457
00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:54,326
We did ride the cable car
in the nude
458
00:24:54,368 --> 00:24:55,577
on Easter Sunday morning.
459
00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:56,972
What's the worst
that can happen?
460
00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,640
Are you gonna get arrested
in San Francisco?
461
00:24:58,664 --> 00:24:59,748
Probably not.
462
00:25:00,958 --> 00:25:02,793
I'm here
with my friendly weenies!
463
00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:05,587
We would create a whole
subculture about
464
00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:06,755
moving through the world
465
00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:08,632
in a way that
you were not a consumer.
466
00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:14,239
In a world where every value,
every transaction,
467
00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:17,099
every relationship
is a commodity transaction,
468
00:25:17,141 --> 00:25:20,019
there won't really be
much of anything.
469
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,147
This obsessive drive
towards profit.
470
00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:24,815
And making fun of corporations.
471
00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:27,526
Advertising has
us chasing cars and clothes,
472
00:25:27,568 --> 00:25:30,863
working jobs we hate so we can
buy shit we don't need.
473
00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:33,490
Fight Club was based
directly on Cacophony Society.
474
00:25:35,075 --> 00:25:36,452
And SantaCon as well.
475
00:25:40,164 --> 00:25:41,957
We were good
at logistics for events,
476
00:25:41,999 --> 00:25:44,501
especially outdoor,
illicit, show up, do it,
477
00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,295
get away before
the cops come events.
478
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,135
In 1986,
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00:25:53,177 --> 00:25:54,887
I was living in San Francisco.
480
00:25:55,471 --> 00:25:58,724
I'd had a very, very modest
landscaping business.
481
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,810
And I had a friend, Jerry James,
482
00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:03,312
who was a carpenter, you know,
483
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:04,664
and I called him one day
and said,
484
00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,065
"Let's burn a man on the beach."
485
00:26:07,191 --> 00:26:10,194
I think he may have asked me
to repeat my statement.
486
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:14,966
It happened to be the solstice.
487
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:17,284
It seemed like a,
a good time to celebrate.
488
00:26:19,536 --> 00:26:21,955
He wasn't much bigger than us.
489
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,876
But, uh, when we lit him up
with gasoline,
490
00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:28,712
he incandesced like a sun
brought down to earth.
491
00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:32,508
And I heard
about a bunch of people
492
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:35,844
who were gonna go to the beach
and burn a wooden man.
493
00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:37,888
And I said,
"This sounds very interesting."
494
00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:41,100
The moment it was lit,
495
00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:43,602
everybody on that beach
came running.
496
00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:48,023
What we had instantly created
was a community.
497
00:26:50,234 --> 00:26:52,945
It was a kind of Dada event
498
00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:56,532
of construction and destruction.
499
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:00,869
Larry's brilliance was seeing
500
00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:02,121
that light bulb moment,
501
00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:04,706
watching everybody's
faces in cultic fervor.
502
00:27:04,748 --> 00:27:06,875
This hugely powerful
symbolic connection
503
00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:07,960
to their psyche.
504
00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:09,044
It's very powerful.
505
00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:12,381
It was our response to the fire
506
00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:15,300
that made it significant,
that invested it with meaning.
507
00:27:19,847 --> 00:27:22,641
We were so impressed,
we decided that we'd come back
508
00:27:22,683 --> 00:27:23,976
and do it again.
509
00:27:24,017 --> 00:27:25,853
Everybody get together!
510
00:27:27,312 --> 00:27:29,398
♪ We are stronger ♪
511
00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:31,108
♪ Than before ♪
512
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:34,236
In 1990,
we showed up on Baker Beach
513
00:27:34,278 --> 00:27:36,405
with about 900 people,
514
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:38,949
and this four-story wooden man.
515
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:41,577
This is Larry down at the beach.
Can you hear me?
516
00:27:41,618 --> 00:27:45,164
John, Michael and I carried
the project on our shoulders.
517
00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:47,666
Me and Cacophony,
we were event organizers.
518
00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,269
And that was the conjoining
of the two groups.
519
00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:50,419
That was a group effort.
520
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:51,753
Slow! Slow!
521
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:54,131
And the police came,
and they said,
522
00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:56,091
"Where's your permit?
You don't have a permit."
523
00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:57,926
We didn't have a permit.
We were outlaws.
524
00:27:57,968 --> 00:28:00,113
The most liberal city
within the United States,
525
00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:01,597
being San Francisco says,
526
00:28:01,638 --> 00:28:02,681
"That's too crazy for us.
527
00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:04,141
You can't do that here anymore."
528
00:28:04,183 --> 00:28:06,161
It's an art project.
It's responsible people.
529
00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:09,438
Well, we would be willing to put
it out without any kind of fuss.
530
00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:10,915
Larry Harvey
made a deal with them.
531
00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:13,859
He said, "Okay, let us have
a party around the man,
532
00:28:13,901 --> 00:28:14,943
but we won't burn him."
533
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,948
Thank you, we appreciate it.
534
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:23,493
We did not burn
the man on Baker Beach in 1990.
535
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,167
So, a few weeks later,
536
00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:32,377
Larry Harvey,
John Law and myself,
537
00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:34,796
we decided to take
the Burning Man
538
00:28:34,838 --> 00:28:37,507
to the Black Rock Desert
in Nevada.
539
00:28:40,177 --> 00:28:41,946
I love that place.
I mean, you don't understand.
540
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,972
I fucking love that place.
It's awesome.
541
00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:49,061
It was really a fantasy tableau
that you could,
542
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,314
as an architect
in your own mind, create.
543
00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:54,983
It was a blank slate.
You could imagine anything.
544
00:28:55,025 --> 00:28:57,152
And I took a stick,
545
00:28:57,194 --> 00:28:59,363
and I drew a line on the ground.
546
00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:02,658
And I said,
"On the other side of this line,
547
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:04,243
everything will be different."
548
00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:08,330
This was a great
piece of nothing
549
00:29:08,372 --> 00:29:12,042
in which anything that was
was more intensely so.
550
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:17,005
With a few prompts,
551
00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:18,924
you could invent
a whole world around yourself,
552
00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:20,486
and there was nothing
to contradict it.
553
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:30,060
We were great friends
554
00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:31,955
in the middle of the most
surreal place you could imagine
555
00:29:31,979 --> 00:29:33,289
with absolutely
nothing around us,
556
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:34,398
and no people anywhere.
557
00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:35,691
It was fabulous.
558
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,575
Release your fear!
559
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:48,912
Come and be free just for,
even for a short period of time
560
00:29:48,954 --> 00:29:50,539
before we go back
to our real lives.
561
00:30:02,426 --> 00:30:03,802
There he goes!
562
00:30:14,271 --> 00:30:16,148
Ray, let's take a look
563
00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,859
and figure out what else
we need to get to get ready.
564
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:21,111
Okay.
565
00:30:21,153 --> 00:30:23,780
The first time I told my wife
I was going to Burning Man,
566
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:25,449
I think she asked me
what it was.
567
00:30:26,116 --> 00:30:28,410
Then I think she looked it up,
read about it.
568
00:30:28,452 --> 00:30:30,412
"Burn life."
That sounds interesting.
569
00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:33,332
Ray probably has always
had a bucket list.
570
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,417
It used to be
running of the bulls.
571
00:30:36,126 --> 00:30:37,937
That was the thing.
He wanted to run the bulls.
572
00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:40,756
Well, I vetoed that one
because I did some research,
573
00:30:40,797 --> 00:30:42,924
and found out life insurance
does not pay
574
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:44,885
if you die while
you're the running bulls.
575
00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:48,597
Maybe we should just Google
"Burning Man packing list."
576
00:30:48,638 --> 00:30:49,782
Come on, man.
577
00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:52,142
What? Well, you can't
run out to Walmart,
578
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:54,102
you gotta make sure
you got everything.
579
00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:55,854
Go back up there, at the top.
580
00:30:55,896 --> 00:30:57,206
-Moisturizer.
-Mm-hmm.
581
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,940
Porta Potty-safe
toilet paper.
582
00:30:58,982 --> 00:31:00,626
-See, that's something.
-Mm-hmm, okay.
583
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:03,445
Birth control, condoms.
584
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:04,839
You better not need
no birth control.
585
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:05,864
Back... Back up.
586
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:07,282
So, okay.
587
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:08,533
We gotta think about clothes
588
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:09,886
and how many clothes
you want to take.
589
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:12,788
Are you gonna be primitive
and basic?
590
00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:14,057
Or are you gonna be extravagant?
591
00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:15,290
I don't know.
592
00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:16,708
I might have a tutu,
593
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,210
'cause people are supposed to.
594
00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:19,562
You're supposed
to have a tutu?
595
00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:20,855
Yeah, I think we
gotta get a tutu.
596
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,482
Man, I saw a cute one
in Target the other day.
597
00:31:22,506 --> 00:31:23,799
I didn't know you needed one.
598
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,635
No, it doesn't have
to be really cute. We don't...
599
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,970
Reina! Raylan!
Come here for a minute.
600
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:30,305
Yeah?
601
00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:34,851
Reina, sit here. Raylan, here.
602
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,019
Okay.
603
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:37,396
So y'all heard Daddy talk about
604
00:31:37,437 --> 00:31:38,730
this Burning Man thing, right?
605
00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:40,315
-Mm-hmm.
-Y'all know what it is?
606
00:31:40,357 --> 00:31:42,025
-No.
-Not really.
607
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:44,027
They build this big city
608
00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:45,695
in the middle of the desert,
609
00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:48,800
and people hang out there
for a week, pretty much.
610
00:31:48,824 --> 00:31:51,159
So, they, like...
There's no money exchanged.
611
00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:53,912
It's like bartering,
or just giving.
612
00:31:54,538 --> 00:31:56,706
Decommodification.
613
00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:00,043
So, it's like extreme Christmas.
614
00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:01,336
Extreme...
615
00:32:01,378 --> 00:32:03,046
-Okay.
-It sounds weird.
616
00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:04,506
-It sounds weird?
-Yeah.
617
00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:06,383
A good kind of weird,
or a bad kind of weird?
618
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:08,176
A weird kind of weird.
619
00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:09,928
-What about you?
-It's weird to think
620
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:12,013
that Fa is going
to something like this.
621
00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:13,181
Why?
622
00:32:13,223 --> 00:32:15,934
Well, 'cause, like, he's old.
623
00:32:15,976 --> 00:32:17,853
Dude.
624
00:32:20,564 --> 00:32:23,859
I am a retired combat veteran.
625
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,402
And I was a paratrooper.
626
00:32:26,903 --> 00:32:28,881
You know, I'm the only Black
person who lives out here.
627
00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:30,073
Only Black family.
628
00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:32,826
We've been out here
for 18 years.
629
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,706
I'm surrounded
by the most conservative,
630
00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:41,418
bigoted, racist, homophobic...
631
00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:44,921
And that's what I deal with
on a daily basis.
632
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,885
I grew up in a ghetto.
633
00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:53,054
I went from zero to barely
graduating high school,
634
00:32:53,096 --> 00:32:55,974
and going my whole
working adult life
635
00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:58,602
as a blue-collar
infantry paratrooper,
636
00:32:58,643 --> 00:33:02,481
to three graduate degrees,
later on a Fulbright Fellow.
637
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:07,903
The challenge for me is...
is mostly psychological.
638
00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:10,822
I mean, after you've served
in combat...
639
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:13,950
those moments come up.
640
00:33:14,701 --> 00:33:15,869
I've got to face it.
641
00:33:18,121 --> 00:33:20,665
I need something that really
shakes things up at this point.
642
00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,469
You know,
the Burning Man Organization
643
00:33:32,511 --> 00:33:34,596
doesn't actually
put on Burning Man.
644
00:33:35,388 --> 00:33:37,516
Everything is created
by the participants.
645
00:33:39,851 --> 00:33:42,354
We started a thing
called a theme camp.
646
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:46,483
We got... Our whole city is
organized around theme camps,
647
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:49,778
20, 30, 100, 200 people
working together
648
00:33:49,819 --> 00:33:52,614
to produce some kind of gift
made through art
649
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:55,075
that they offer
to a civic society.
650
00:33:55,909 --> 00:34:00,121
There are camps
that offer everything,
651
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:04,292
and all of it is given as part
of their gift to the city.
652
00:34:12,007 --> 00:34:14,219
This place is built
by all of us.
653
00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:16,804
Every person who comes here
contributes something.
654
00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:18,806
And so, it's easy
to start to have
655
00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:21,810
this strong sense of ownership
656
00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:23,353
of what Burning Man is.
657
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,550
I'm Marisa Lenhart.
658
00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:38,702
I have been going
to Burning Man since 1999,
659
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:40,245
and I manage Thunderdome.
660
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:44,373
My friends ran a nightclub
in San Francisco
661
00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:46,102
called Death Guild,
a goth industrial nightclub,
662
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:51,047
and they went to bring
non-rave music,
663
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,174
non-techno music to Burning Man.
664
00:34:57,387 --> 00:34:58,763
When Thunderdome came in '99,
665
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,449
it was the biggest dome
that had ever been built.
666
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:03,184
Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen!
667
00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:06,938
When people think
of Burning Man iconography,
668
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,107
they think "Mad Max"
and they think "Thunderdome."
669
00:35:09,149 --> 00:35:10,459
I think they just hold
a lot of weight.
670
00:35:10,483 --> 00:35:12,902
Two men enter, one man leaves!
671
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:15,238
Two men enter, one man leaves!
672
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,632
What happens
at the Thunderdome?
673
00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:18,426
Consensual violence
happens at the Thunderdome.
674
00:35:25,415 --> 00:35:28,418
We let people battle
people that they know.
675
00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:31,480
We will have people
who think that they're enemies.
676
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:32,982
They're actually angry
with each other.
677
00:35:33,006 --> 00:35:36,426
And there is nobody
who leaves that experience,
678
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:39,262
and doesn't hug, and isn't
closer than they were before.
679
00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:40,597
It's incredible.
680
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:46,144
After Burning Man put out their
survey to gauge participation,
681
00:35:46,186 --> 00:35:48,372
Thunderdome wrote a statement
to explain our decision
682
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:49,731
not to attend
the event this year,
683
00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:51,316
whether or not it happens.
684
00:35:52,442 --> 00:35:54,444
"Death Guild Thunderdome
will not be attending.
685
00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:57,072
"Burning Man
at Black Rock City this year.
686
00:35:57,113 --> 00:35:59,407
"We wanted to make
this crew statement prior to
687
00:35:59,449 --> 00:36:01,076
"and not as a reaction to
688
00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:03,912
"any decision or announcement
from Burning Man Project.
689
00:36:03,953 --> 00:36:05,556
"Risking lives and participating
690
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:08,667
"in a non-essential event that
is already lacking in diversity
691
00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,418
"is unacceptable to us.
692
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,922
"Black Rock City 2021,
if it happens,
693
00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:16,508
risks being the whitest,
richest event ever."
694
00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:19,111
-Oh, my God.
-"And we can't in good conscience participate."
695
00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:20,679
Okay.
696
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:24,265
I don't even want to talk
about Thunderdome.
697
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:25,934
Bunch of pussies.
698
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:28,269
I'm personal friends with her,
or I was.
699
00:36:28,311 --> 00:36:31,189
I kind of would like
to have been given a heads-up.
700
00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:34,693
I'm getting all these
text messages from friends.
701
00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:36,403
"Can you tell me
where you're at?"
702
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,321
There are definitely some risks,
703
00:36:38,363 --> 00:36:40,824
um, in not doing the event,
for sure.
704
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:43,493
Um, one risk, for sure,
705
00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:46,621
is that people would show up
on the playa anyway,
706
00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:50,291
and that could be serious stuff,
like people with guns,
707
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,502
driving too fast,
that aren't even burners,
708
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,129
that wanna come out and party
709
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,010
in the Black Rock desert
for Labor Day weekend,
710
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,817
and they haven't been able
to do it for 25 years.
711
00:36:57,841 --> 00:36:59,081
Like, that's a real part of it.
712
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:04,848
If things go sideways while
people have shown up out there,
713
00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,642
um, the more we're gonna
have to mop it up
714
00:37:07,684 --> 00:37:10,353
to make it to 2022, absolutely.
715
00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:15,859
Since 1990,
716
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,696
we have gotten a permit from
the Bureau of Land Management.
717
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:22,198
And that relationship
has had ups and downs.
718
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,285
But this is a typical thing that
the BLM does for its safety?
719
00:37:25,785 --> 00:37:27,912
-No. It's not typical.
-No? Is it... But...
720
00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:30,039
This is a... not a typical event.
721
00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,767
No, no, no, no.
722
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:33,877
We pay them
a permit fee every year.
723
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:38,173
Um, in 2019, our fees
I think totaled, uh...
724
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:39,716
$4.5 million.
725
00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:46,866
They keep taking so much money
that we can't put it
726
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:48,892
to the sorts of things
we'd like to put it to.
727
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:50,685
We're just paying them,
essentially.
728
00:37:50,727 --> 00:37:52,187
Now, we're at the point
where we...
729
00:37:52,228 --> 00:37:53,372
we deal with Washington, D.C.,
730
00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:56,107
and we have expensive lobbyists.
731
00:37:58,777 --> 00:38:00,278
A gentleman told me
732
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,572
that the federal government
was messing with Burning Man,
733
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:04,532
and that Larry Harvey
and Marian,
734
00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:07,035
um, were coming to D.C.
735
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:09,054
to try and see if there's...
they could get any support
736
00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:10,371
for being left alone.
737
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,415
And I said, "Well,
I'm familiar with Burning Man,
738
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,709
haven't been, but I would be
delighted to be helpful."
739
00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:16,795
And they said, "You know,
you guys ought to come out
740
00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,379
to Burning Man at some point."
741
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:20,548
And I said, "I've always
been interested in it,
742
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:24,427
since I started hearing
about it, and, uh, we'll come."
743
00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:28,389
I think shaking hands
is a perfectly acceptable way
744
00:38:28,431 --> 00:38:29,557
of greeting people,
745
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,559
and hugging people
you've never met before
746
00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:32,977
is a little different.
747
00:38:33,019 --> 00:38:34,479
It was great fun.
748
00:38:34,521 --> 00:38:36,981
Just a wonderful
collection of people.
749
00:38:37,023 --> 00:38:38,149
And, it was...
750
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:39,418
I just decided
at the time, I'm...
751
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:40,777
I'm coming back regularly.
752
00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:43,738
Grover Norquist next
on two topics:
753
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:45,323
the middle-class squeeze
754
00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:48,052
and also for Grover,
the Burning Man.
755
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:50,578
I wanted to finish off, though,
by asking you,
756
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:51,847
you just got back
from Burning Man.
757
00:38:51,871 --> 00:38:53,140
Can you just tell me
about... a bit about that?
758
00:38:53,164 --> 00:38:55,166
Did you think
that the anti-tax message
759
00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:56,501
went over better with people
760
00:38:56,543 --> 00:38:58,270
who were tripping
on magic... magic mushrooms?
761
00:38:58,294 --> 00:38:59,921
I think it helps, yeah.
762
00:38:59,963 --> 00:39:01,273
The stereotype for Burning Man
763
00:39:01,297 --> 00:39:03,132
is definitely
that it's very liberal,
764
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,593
but I think when you
scratch the surface
765
00:39:05,635 --> 00:39:07,345
and depending on
who you talk to,
766
00:39:07,387 --> 00:39:09,514
it can be seen
as fairly libertarian.
767
00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:13,101
Nobody expects
Grover Norquist to be here.
768
00:39:13,142 --> 00:39:14,310
But he is here.
769
00:39:14,811 --> 00:39:16,771
He's well-read, like Larry,
770
00:39:16,813 --> 00:39:19,190
talking about
Victorian literature
771
00:39:19,232 --> 00:39:20,441
and magic,
772
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:22,777
and the two of them
couldn't stop talking.
773
00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:25,864
And all of it was about
creativity and free thinking.
774
00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:28,133
I don't know how many
people have come up to me,
775
00:39:28,157 --> 00:39:29,951
"You and I are
the only Republicans here."
776
00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:31,494
I said, "Yes,
you're the 14th person"
777
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:32,856
who's said that today."
778
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:38,293
We still don't know whether
Burning Man is on this year,
779
00:39:38,334 --> 00:39:40,336
but here's what I usually bring.
780
00:39:42,005 --> 00:39:44,841
Very nicely made cigars,
Cuban tobacco,
781
00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:46,467
made in the United States.
782
00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,970
Um, and people
love those as gifts.
783
00:39:49,012 --> 00:39:50,805
People put a lot of time
and effort
784
00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:52,515
into some of the, um,
785
00:39:53,683 --> 00:39:55,852
Burning Man jewelry
that they have.
786
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,062
And I have... This is kinda
my collection of stuff
787
00:39:58,104 --> 00:39:59,814
that I, I got there.
788
00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:01,649
And I hold on to it
to keep in mind
789
00:40:01,691 --> 00:40:04,903
if I could ever do something
half as cool.
790
00:40:06,446 --> 00:40:09,490
"Radical inclusion does not
include Trump enablers."
791
00:40:09,532 --> 00:40:10,825
Somebody had those.
792
00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:14,203
Um, it's kind of
contradictory, but, uh...
793
00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:19,310
The first year I was there,
794
00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:23,421
um, I stood next to, uh, Larry
when it burned.
795
00:40:29,218 --> 00:40:32,055
I trust that Marian is going
to make the right decision.
796
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:38,227
People are doing a great deal of
work just to get to Burning Man.
797
00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:48,029
The beauty of an art car,
798
00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:50,740
or as a mobile stage,
is that it's, it's fleeting.
799
00:40:52,909 --> 00:40:55,787
Just the fact that you have
the freedom to go anywhere
800
00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:57,705
and make it happen,
801
00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,916
there's something
very beautiful about it.
802
00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:01,310
You know, something
very fulfilling
803
00:41:01,334 --> 00:41:03,252
that you cannot get
anywhere else.
804
00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:08,091
I grew up in Mexico City,
and I became an entrepreneur.
805
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:11,219
I came to Burning Man
for the first time in 2012,
806
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:13,972
and I was really impressed
by the creativity,
807
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:19,602
in how, like, there is nothing
to stop any idea of emerging.
808
00:41:19,644 --> 00:41:22,230
I came back to Mexico
from Burning Man, and I said,
809
00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:24,732
"You know what? I want to make
one of these cool,
810
00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:28,069
self-sustained, like, stages
that you see at Burning Man."
811
00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:32,448
The first year that we brought
the car was 2012,
812
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:35,719
and I think, uh, that the
beauty about Burning Man is,
813
00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:38,496
you meet so many people
that want to just collaborate.
814
00:41:38,538 --> 00:41:39,890
And since that year,
815
00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:42,291
you know, we had like
lots of photographers,
816
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:45,461
engineers, architects,
all wanting to contribute.
817
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:50,758
So this is just a sum of a lot
of people's work,
818
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,135
right?
819
00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,306
In the early days
of Burning Man,
820
00:41:57,348 --> 00:42:00,101
there were people
who came out to Burning Man,
821
00:42:00,143 --> 00:42:02,603
who, for whatever
personal reason they had,
822
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:07,066
had decided to make
their cars into pieces of art.
823
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:09,610
And it really inspired
a lot of people
824
00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:13,781
to think of their vehicles
as a, um,
825
00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:15,700
a canvas for their
personal expression.
826
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:17,869
And then the second wave,
827
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:20,371
you started seeing people
do bigger things.
828
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:22,790
And some of the vehicles
became well known,
829
00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,251
not so much for their art,
830
00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,670
but for their music.
831
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:34,927
There's Robot Heart,
that has a big following.
832
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:39,390
There's Mayan Warrior,
833
00:42:39,432 --> 00:42:40,933
a really impressive vehicle
834
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:43,561
that also has an incredible
light laser show.
835
00:42:44,687 --> 00:42:46,314
I've seen ones that,
836
00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:48,316
more than a million dollars
went into them.
837
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,069
And ones that probably
took maybe
838
00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:52,779
a few hundred dollars
to put together.
839
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:55,364
Another way
to look at Burning Man
840
00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:56,699
is a giant sandbox,
841
00:42:57,241 --> 00:42:59,702
and everybody
brings toys to play.
842
00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:02,997
There's something
very beautiful,
843
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:04,373
something very fulfilling,
844
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:06,375
that you cannot get
anywhere else.
845
00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:09,813
♪ Our broken mind embassy ♪
846
00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:12,340
I think it's one of
the most irresponsible things
847
00:43:12,381 --> 00:43:14,217
I've done in my life,
financially.
848
00:43:14,884 --> 00:43:17,095
But one of the cores
of Burning Man
849
00:43:17,136 --> 00:43:18,638
is the gifting economy.
850
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,140
We do this as a gift.
851
00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:37,406
We work hard all year
852
00:43:37,448 --> 00:43:39,176
to get our art car ready
for Burning Man,
853
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,621
but we still don't know whether
it's going to happen or not.
854
00:43:43,663 --> 00:43:46,249
Acavallo was Quill's life's work.
855
00:43:51,087 --> 00:43:53,047
It's shaped somewhat
like a boat.
856
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:57,051
Started out as six
life-sized steel horses
857
00:43:57,093 --> 00:44:00,221
that go up and down
and shoots fire out of the top.
858
00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:05,393
It's a big bouncing jungle gym
859
00:44:05,434 --> 00:44:08,479
for adults to be sexy and play.
860
00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:14,068
The whole thing is built
by hand from scratch,
861
00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:17,780
made from dreams and sacrifice.
862
00:44:23,327 --> 00:44:25,955
Quill Hyde and I first met
when we were teenagers.
863
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,082
We were pretty isolated.
864
00:44:28,124 --> 00:44:30,751
Just two hippie kids
trying to make it in New York.
865
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,088
After graduating
from Columbia Engineering,
866
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:38,050
and working in theatrical
automation for 10 years,
867
00:44:39,051 --> 00:44:41,971
I was looking for something
life-changing and different.
868
00:44:42,722 --> 00:44:43,806
A spark.
869
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,435
The first year I went
to Burning Man,
870
00:44:47,476 --> 00:44:50,938
there were these kids
who had like a chair
871
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:54,317
on the back of a giraffe
with a ghillie suit,
872
00:44:54,358 --> 00:44:55,443
and there were computers...
873
00:44:55,484 --> 00:44:56,962
and, uh, it was very like...
874
00:44:56,986 --> 00:45:00,448
And I thought, "Quill has
to come to this thing,"
875
00:45:00,489 --> 00:45:03,326
'cause he was doing automation
for Broadway shows in New York.
876
00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:05,036
Things popping up
and out of stages.
877
00:45:05,077 --> 00:45:07,288
And it was a perfect marriage
for his engineering
878
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:08,456
and his art brain.
879
00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:11,209
That's what Quill needed.
880
00:45:12,501 --> 00:45:13,502
Art spark.
881
00:45:15,922 --> 00:45:17,798
I was looking
for something else,
882
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,717
and I found it at Burning Man.
883
00:45:19,759 --> 00:45:21,510
It takes tools to make stuff.
884
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:23,137
And dogs.
885
00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:26,182
But he also had
that, like, "win mentality,"
886
00:45:26,849 --> 00:45:30,120
so he decided
to "win" Burning Man.
887
00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:31,824
That's what it takes
to make stuff.
888
00:45:32,688 --> 00:45:34,815
Quill decides
to build the biggest art car
889
00:45:34,857 --> 00:45:36,150
on the playa.
890
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:39,070
I just wanted
to share...
891
00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:41,155
an art car idea.
892
00:45:41,197 --> 00:45:43,991
The carousel
popped out of his mind.
893
00:45:48,204 --> 00:45:49,705
That's a horse.
894
00:45:53,626 --> 00:45:55,086
Look at that.
895
00:45:56,921 --> 00:45:58,839
Easy, man.
896
00:45:59,382 --> 00:46:02,802
That desire to create
art for Burning Man,
897
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:06,222
I had to restructure my whole
life to make that possible.
898
00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:09,725
And that included the move back
to my hometown in Washington.
899
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:12,853
We were able to, like,
have the space to work on art
900
00:46:12,895 --> 00:46:14,855
that we could never find
in New York.
901
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:17,900
I pursued my career
902
00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:19,068
in silk painting.
903
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:22,905
I've worn my dresses
at Burning Man,
904
00:46:23,656 --> 00:46:25,741
I've outfitted camps.
905
00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:27,743
I make scarves for people.
906
00:46:28,577 --> 00:46:30,705
This is not just
a playground for artists.
907
00:46:30,746 --> 00:46:32,123
It's our life support system,
908
00:46:32,164 --> 00:46:34,875
and we've been waiting
for two years to return.
909
00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:37,461
This is what I love to do.
910
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,756
Prioritizing the art
over everything else.
911
00:46:41,632 --> 00:46:43,735
The org is supposed
to make an announcement
912
00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:44,885
any day now,
913
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:47,221
and, um, I really hope
it happens.
914
00:46:47,263 --> 00:46:48,389
Fingers crossed.
915
00:46:57,106 --> 00:46:58,399
I'd say this is probably
916
00:46:58,441 --> 00:47:00,276
the hardest thing
I've had to do.
917
00:47:02,111 --> 00:47:03,904
The grief that's gonna
get compounded
918
00:47:03,946 --> 00:47:06,574
on all the excitement that
people have had
919
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:08,409
in looking forward
to Black Rock City.
920
00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:10,786
There'll be like grief,
upon grief, upon grief.
921
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:19,604
I think this is the first
time we're meeting in person.
922
00:47:19,628 --> 00:47:21,106
Did you get any shots yet?
923
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:22,649
-I got two.
-Are you clear?
924
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:24,473
I have one more week
before I'm clear.
925
00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,136
So you can stand
as far away as you need to.
926
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:30,782
Later today,
Marian will announce
927
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:32,391
whether Black Rock City
is happening.
928
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:37,188
Not being able to tell
the staff is really torture.
929
00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:41,400
It's very difficult
to sit and wait.
930
00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:46,757
Apparently,
they're going to make
931
00:47:46,781 --> 00:47:48,008
some sort of announcement today,
932
00:47:48,032 --> 00:47:49,825
but I have been watching
my computer screen
933
00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:50,868
all fucking day
934
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:52,661
and still no updates.
935
00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:57,458
Here.
Here's my Burning Man stuff.
936
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,293
Found it. One thing.
937
00:48:02,171 --> 00:48:03,565
It's like the whole place
938
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:05,549
is like a Burning Man camp,
you know?
939
00:48:05,591 --> 00:48:07,968
Yeah, it's because
my entire life
940
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:09,261
has become Burning Man.
941
00:48:10,096 --> 00:48:12,598
Did you see my director's chair?
Aren't I fancy? Huh?
942
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,396
Isn't that good?
943
00:48:18,437 --> 00:48:20,398
I come from a fairly
well-to-do family,
944
00:48:20,439 --> 00:48:23,317
and when I was, uh,
about 11 or 12,
945
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:25,945
we lost most of our...
our finances,
946
00:48:26,445 --> 00:48:27,988
and things changed
very, very quickly.
947
00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:30,699
I wanted so deeply
to find a place
948
00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:32,868
where, like, I didn't feel
like I had less than,
949
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:37,248
or I was less than,
or I was, um, weak and small.
950
00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:39,333
And so I made myself
as big as fucking possible.
951
00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:44,755
A lot of people live this
sheltered cicada shell life,
952
00:48:44,797 --> 00:48:46,674
where their true self is hidden,
953
00:48:46,715 --> 00:48:48,259
very, very small,
deep inside of them.
954
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:52,054
And Burning Man is the only
place that they can shed that.
955
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,515
Let's go. Let's go, let's go,
let's go, let's go. Let's go!
956
00:48:54,557 --> 00:48:55,766
Let's go.
957
00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:58,352
Burning Man has provided me
the knowledge
958
00:48:58,394 --> 00:49:01,188
that there was a place for me,
and that there was a world
959
00:49:01,230 --> 00:49:03,399
that didn't have to be
the world I saw.
960
00:49:03,441 --> 00:49:05,526
-Where are you from?
-Uh, D.C. Washington, D.C.
961
00:49:05,568 --> 00:49:06,777
-I'm from D.C.!
-Nuh-uh!
962
00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:08,362
-Big hi!
-Hi!
963
00:49:08,404 --> 00:49:10,406
Hi, habibi. Ah!
964
00:49:11,407 --> 00:49:12,843
It really wasn't until
965
00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:15,286
I convinced my family
to go to Burning Man,
966
00:49:15,327 --> 00:49:18,539
that there was an incredible
reversal of roles.
967
00:49:18,581 --> 00:49:21,917
When I took my mother,
my sister, her sister,
968
00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:26,046
my... her... my aunt, my nephew,
my sister's husband,
969
00:49:26,088 --> 00:49:29,216
um, and I took them
all together as virgins.
970
00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,969
And I did it because I felt like
971
00:49:32,011 --> 00:49:34,597
they would never understand me
until I showed them Burning Man.
972
00:49:35,181 --> 00:49:36,390
-Mama...
-Faster.
973
00:49:36,432 --> 00:49:37,742
...have you had
a nice burn?
974
00:49:37,766 --> 00:49:38,893
I've had a great burn,
975
00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:41,395
and I've met wonderful
people, like John.
976
00:49:41,437 --> 00:49:42,873
My mother, who is 70,
977
00:49:42,897 --> 00:49:45,000
she met a guy on Plenty of Fish
that was also a burner.
978
00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:47,735
So they made a date
at Burning Man to meet up.
979
00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:49,236
They had the best time,
980
00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:51,155
and they've been together
ever since.
981
00:49:52,448 --> 00:49:53,949
Yeah!
982
00:49:54,617 --> 00:49:57,620
The thing that she said to me
was that, like, she didn't know
983
00:49:57,661 --> 00:49:59,497
that she had adventures
left in her life.
984
00:49:59,538 --> 00:50:03,751
It gave my mother her life back,
and it restored her soul.
985
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,669
Mom, are you having a good time?
986
00:50:05,711 --> 00:50:07,254
I am!
987
00:50:07,296 --> 00:50:08,815
You know,
I might make fun of Marian.
988
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:10,508
I might make fun
of other burners.
989
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:13,010
But I have nothing
but eternal gratitude
990
00:50:13,052 --> 00:50:16,096
to anybody who makes
that place possible
991
00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:18,599
because it provided
that experience for my mother.
992
00:50:18,641 --> 00:50:19,642
It's just a miracle.
993
00:50:22,686 --> 00:50:25,189
I think a lot of people are
gonna lose their fucking minds
994
00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:27,191
if they don't go
to Burning Man this year.
995
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:34,799
-Nice to meet you.
-When you have moment,
996
00:50:34,823 --> 00:50:35,884
can we put a microphone on you?
997
00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:37,034
Oh, yes.
998
00:50:37,076 --> 00:50:38,076
Alright!
999
00:50:41,914 --> 00:50:42,998
Alright.
1000
00:50:44,542 --> 00:50:45,834
What do we got there?
1001
00:50:53,008 --> 00:50:54,486
It has an auto gain control...
1002
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:56,804
This is gonna
be a 10-minute piece, people.
1003
00:50:56,845 --> 00:50:58,514
-Great.
-Not long.
1004
00:51:06,355 --> 00:51:08,065
Oh, my God.
1005
00:51:15,614 --> 00:51:17,074
I'm gonna fuck up.
1006
00:51:17,116 --> 00:51:18,701
I can see it now.
1007
00:51:20,494 --> 00:51:22,580
Yeah, Stuart, the problem
with me not doing it,
1008
00:51:22,621 --> 00:51:24,501
it feels like a chick...
I, like, chickened out.
1009
00:51:25,708 --> 00:51:27,501
Oh, my God. This is so hard.
1010
00:51:27,543 --> 00:51:29,420
Check one, two.
1011
00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:37,011
You gonna have your scarf on?
1012
00:51:37,052 --> 00:51:39,221
Is someone
actually saying right now
1013
00:51:39,263 --> 00:51:40,681
that I shouldn't do the video?
1014
00:51:40,723 --> 00:51:42,516
That's what I said yesterday.
1015
00:51:44,643 --> 00:51:46,663
Should I not be doing this?
1016
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,403
Fuck.
1017
00:51:57,448 --> 00:51:58,449
Hi.
1018
00:51:59,825 --> 00:52:01,869
We have some exciting things
to talk about.
1019
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,579
For 2021,
1020
00:52:03,621 --> 00:52:06,624
we know the need for community
has never been stronger.
1021
00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:09,251
And building community
is what burners do best.
1022
00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:13,088
We also recognize that
the pandemic is not over.
1023
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:15,382
But we've made
a difficult decision,
1024
00:52:15,424 --> 00:52:17,426
based on the best
information available to us.
1025
00:52:17,468 --> 00:52:19,386
We have decided
to focus our energy
1026
00:52:19,428 --> 00:52:22,097
on building
Black Rock City 2022.
1027
00:52:22,806 --> 00:52:25,100
It's too important
to do half-assed,
1028
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:27,269
so we're doubling down
on next year.
1029
00:52:27,311 --> 00:52:30,731
We recognize your need
to be in community,
1030
00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:32,876
and your desires.
1031
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:35,944
So, we suggest
that you create community.
1032
00:52:35,986 --> 00:52:38,572
Take this moment,
gather together.
1033
00:52:38,614 --> 00:52:41,909
We're gonna celebrate
Burn Week online.
1034
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:43,911
-Oh, lame.
-And offline.
1035
00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:45,120
So lame.
1036
00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:49,249
Oh, 2019.
1037
00:52:49,291 --> 00:52:51,835
The last burn we'll ever know.
1038
00:52:51,877 --> 00:52:53,504
That's not true.
1039
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,674
No, we're not
canceling Burning Man.
1040
00:52:58,634 --> 00:53:00,302
We're just not
doing Black Rock City.
1041
00:53:01,804 --> 00:53:04,807
Remember, we will always
burn the man.
1042
00:53:06,392 --> 00:53:08,244
Several of us came together,
1043
00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:11,855
and we raised $13 million
of philanthropic capital
1044
00:53:11,897 --> 00:53:16,110
to help the org
put the Man on in 2021.
1045
00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:19,405
You asked us to help,
we helped...
1046
00:53:20,656 --> 00:53:22,866
and then the...
you broke the promise.
1047
00:53:23,325 --> 00:53:25,494
And so that...
That really carried
1048
00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:28,330
such disappointment in my heart.
1049
00:53:29,373 --> 00:53:30,833
It... It really hurt.
1050
00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:33,687
The Bureau of Land Management
1051
00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:36,046
has said public lands
will be available all summer.
1052
00:53:36,088 --> 00:53:37,381
Sick.
1053
00:53:37,423 --> 00:53:40,050
So, wherever you are
in the world,
1054
00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:41,844
take the 10 Principles with you.
1055
00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:44,138
Show up as a responsible burner.
1056
00:53:44,179 --> 00:53:46,640
-Yes.
-Remember, leaving no trace.
1057
00:53:46,682 --> 00:53:48,851
In my very humble opinion,
1058
00:53:48,892 --> 00:53:51,145
she's clearly telling
the Burning Man community
1059
00:53:51,186 --> 00:53:53,021
that the land is open.
1060
00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,649
It is up to you to be the best
little burner you can be.
1061
00:53:55,691 --> 00:53:58,235
Leave no trace,
bring the 10 Principles,
1062
00:53:58,277 --> 00:54:00,779
and go to fucking
Burning Man without them.
1063
00:54:01,613 --> 00:54:03,174
For the second year in a row,
1064
00:54:03,198 --> 00:54:04,700
Burning Man is canceled.
1065
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:06,261
But that is not stopping
1066
00:54:06,285 --> 00:54:07,804
some people from trying to throw
1067
00:54:07,828 --> 00:54:10,998
their own unofficial party
in the Nevada Desert.
1068
00:54:13,792 --> 00:54:16,545
Sheriff's office has a message
for those people:
1069
00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:17,713
"Don't."
1070
00:54:17,755 --> 00:54:20,507
Burners, they are
trying to stop us.
1071
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:22,342
All I know is that I'm going
1072
00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:23,945
because it's gonna be
radically inclusive
1073
00:54:23,969 --> 00:54:25,554
and radically fuckin' awesome.
1074
00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:26,865
And if things go wrong,
they'll go wrong
1075
00:54:26,889 --> 00:54:28,015
and we'll take care of it.
1076
00:54:28,056 --> 00:54:29,266
In my heart, it tells me
1077
00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:30,684
it's probably gonna be
more towards
1078
00:54:30,726 --> 00:54:32,186
the shit-show side of things,
1079
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:34,354
'cause there are some people
who want it to go back
1080
00:54:34,396 --> 00:54:35,689
to what it was back in the '90s,
1081
00:54:35,731 --> 00:54:39,026
before it became
such a structured festival.
1082
00:54:39,067 --> 00:54:40,569
Back in the old days,
1083
00:54:40,611 --> 00:54:41,695
we'd shoot guns.
1084
00:54:43,071 --> 00:54:44,257
Mobile shooting ranges,
1085
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:45,759
wanting to blow things up
on the playa.
1086
00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:47,576
Last time this chaos happened,
1087
00:54:47,618 --> 00:54:49,703
it was a huge disaster.
1088
00:54:49,745 --> 00:54:51,121
We'd go up there and drove
1089
00:54:51,163 --> 00:54:52,664
across the playa, fucking,
1090
00:54:53,415 --> 00:54:55,542
shooting guns out the windows,
drinking wine,
1091
00:54:55,584 --> 00:54:57,211
and on mushrooms.
1092
00:54:57,252 --> 00:54:59,087
I thought, this is the most
American thing
1093
00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:00,714
you could possibly do.
1094
00:55:00,756 --> 00:55:02,716
But in 1996,
1095
00:55:02,758 --> 00:55:04,593
horrible shit
happened repeatedly.
1096
00:55:04,635 --> 00:55:06,136
Tents were on fire.
1097
00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:07,888
You cannot have anarchists
1098
00:55:07,930 --> 00:55:09,389
and chaos with 10,000 people.
1099
00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:10,909
It was an apocalypse.
1100
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:12,559
If people try to do the burn
1101
00:55:12,601 --> 00:55:15,229
at this scale, without us,
1102
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:16,730
people could die in the desert.
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