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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:36,253 --> 00:00:37,559 Excuse me. 4 00:00:37,689 --> 00:00:38,995 Excuse me. If I could have your attention 5 00:00:39,126 --> 00:00:40,518 for just a moment. 6 00:00:40,649 --> 00:00:42,694 Uh, we're going to have to move the party inside 7 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:45,262 pretty soon. Rock 'nRoll Fag Bar is starting. 8 00:00:45,393 --> 00:00:48,265 So if anybody wants anything else to eat, grab it now. 9 00:00:48,396 --> 00:00:49,919 Take it inside. 10 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:51,442 We're getting some complaints from the neighbors, 11 00:00:51,573 --> 00:00:53,053 so we're going to go in and start partying... 12 00:00:53,183 --> 00:00:54,663 - Just like last year. - ...just like last year. 13 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:56,752 But The Weenies will be on in about an hour or so. 14 00:01:01,583 --> 00:01:03,759 Every man has a little bit of a woman inside of them, 15 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:06,762 and every woman has a little bit of a man. 16 00:01:06,892 --> 00:01:09,373 And the people who are well-adjusted 17 00:01:09,504 --> 00:01:11,114 are the ones who don't feel threatened by it. 18 00:01:11,245 --> 00:01:13,464 And the people that are repressing 19 00:01:13,595 --> 00:01:15,162 part of their desires 20 00:01:15,292 --> 00:01:17,555 are the ones that react most violently 21 00:01:17,686 --> 00:01:20,428 toward any kind of variation from the norm. 22 00:01:20,558 --> 00:01:24,475 And, there's a whole lot of repression in this country. 23 00:01:24,606 --> 00:01:27,130 We've got to be the most, I mean, repressed country 24 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:28,914 in the Western Hemisphere. 25 00:01:29,045 --> 00:01:31,003 It's just pathetic. 26 00:01:31,134 --> 00:01:34,572 So, do I think America's ready? No. 27 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:38,185 Here he is, Dean Johnson! 28 00:01:41,405 --> 00:01:43,625 Dean was, if nothing else, 29 00:01:43,755 --> 00:01:46,367 a complete original. 30 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:48,369 He took everything to a different level, 31 00:01:48,499 --> 00:01:49,631 and he still is. 32 00:01:49,761 --> 00:01:51,763 That's what's so crazy. 33 00:01:51,894 --> 00:01:53,635 The people don't even know it. 34 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:57,465 Dean was a musician. 35 00:01:57,595 --> 00:02:01,251 Dean was a lyricist. 36 00:02:01,382 --> 00:02:04,907 Dean was a stylist. 37 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:09,041 He was really defining how the East Village 38 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:12,697 gay considered themselves other. 39 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:16,353 He was kind of an AIDS activist, drag queen. 40 00:02:16,484 --> 00:02:18,486 He was doing original rap songs 41 00:02:18,616 --> 00:02:21,402 full of anger, full of wit. 42 00:02:21,532 --> 00:02:24,100 New York was the epicenter of the AIDS crisis, 43 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:27,799 and the East Village was the epicenter of New York. 44 00:02:28,583 --> 00:02:30,933 The 80s were not a time for openly gay rock stars. 45 00:02:31,063 --> 00:02:33,065 There are hardly even any now. 46 00:02:33,196 --> 00:02:35,720 This was at the height of heil Reagan and Bush, 47 00:02:35,851 --> 00:02:37,635 and AIDS was in full force 48 00:02:37,766 --> 00:02:39,898 and people were dropping like flies. 49 00:02:40,029 --> 00:02:43,728 People were afraid to be around gay people. 50 00:02:43,859 --> 00:02:45,774 It was very important for people to know 51 00:02:45,904 --> 00:02:49,256 that he was gay, and that this was gay music for gay people, 52 00:02:49,386 --> 00:02:52,128 and that it wasn't wimpy. 53 00:02:52,259 --> 00:02:53,912 We're here with Dean Johnson. 54 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:55,871 Hi! It's Dean Johnson. 55 00:02:56,001 --> 00:02:59,266 America, I love you. Mwah! 56 00:02:59,527 --> 00:03:02,443 ♪ You want the big Johnson ♪ 57 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:09,537 He's a very important person. 58 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:12,627 And it's very important to tell his story. 59 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:19,329 45-year-old Dean Johnson 60 00:03:19,460 --> 00:03:21,288 was one of the most well known people 61 00:03:21,418 --> 00:03:23,594 in Manhattan's gay community. 62 00:03:23,725 --> 00:03:25,553 So well-known was the six-foot-six 63 00:03:25,683 --> 00:03:27,032 party planner rock band, 64 00:03:27,163 --> 00:03:28,773 front man and porn actor 65 00:03:28,904 --> 00:03:30,775 that his death under mysterious circumstances 66 00:03:30,906 --> 00:03:34,823 in Washington, D.C., headlined the New York Post's Page Six 67 00:03:34,953 --> 00:03:36,825 gossip section this morning. 68 00:03:39,175 --> 00:03:41,221 So the phone rings. 69 00:03:41,351 --> 00:03:43,484 And... 70 00:03:43,614 --> 00:03:44,963 It's someone on the other end 71 00:03:45,094 --> 00:03:47,314 asking me if I know Dean Johnson. 72 00:03:48,010 --> 00:03:50,055 And I say, "Yeah, what's... what's up?" 73 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:51,796 And they're like, "Well, you know, he's here. 74 00:03:51,927 --> 00:03:53,885 He spent the night 75 00:03:54,016 --> 00:03:56,627 and can't wake him up." 76 00:03:56,758 --> 00:03:58,586 According to the New York Post article, 77 00:03:58,716 --> 00:04:01,328 Dean Johnson's friends say he had a history of drug use, 78 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,373 and he told at least one friend he came to D.C. 79 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:07,943 regularly to set up weird sex parties. 80 00:04:08,073 --> 00:04:10,989 The mystery around the whole thing was 81 00:04:11,555 --> 00:04:14,602 really heartbreaking to not have an answer. 82 00:04:17,779 --> 00:04:19,650 And I don't think we do now. 83 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:23,611 Really, if you were going to do a story of my life, 84 00:04:23,741 --> 00:04:24,960 you'd have to talk to everyone else 85 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:26,440 because I couldn't tell it to you. 86 00:04:27,963 --> 00:04:30,095 I just, too much burn out. 87 00:04:57,993 --> 00:05:02,737 Dean's diary, 1979 to 2004. 88 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:04,695 1979. 89 00:05:04,826 --> 00:05:07,785 "I arrive in NYC at NYU 90 00:05:07,916 --> 00:05:09,961 and practice being fabulous 91 00:05:10,092 --> 00:05:12,486 at Weinstein Dormitory Cafeteria." 92 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:18,883 Dean was one of the people that I remember, 93 00:05:19,014 --> 00:05:21,625 you know, from that early period 94 00:05:21,756 --> 00:05:23,410 in the East Village. 95 00:05:26,543 --> 00:05:28,763 It was really a neighborhood. 96 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:30,808 It was really community. 97 00:05:33,158 --> 00:05:35,335 The East Village back then 98 00:05:35,465 --> 00:05:37,946 was still burned out, 99 00:05:38,076 --> 00:05:39,774 it was still very scary. 100 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:45,823 But I loved it like that. 101 00:05:46,258 --> 00:05:48,957 I got a little apartment on, Avenue C, 102 00:05:49,087 --> 00:05:50,611 and I used to get robbed 103 00:05:50,741 --> 00:05:53,178 all the time and mugged and held up at gunpoint, 104 00:05:53,309 --> 00:05:56,094 and, and there were, like, people dying 105 00:05:56,225 --> 00:05:57,661 outside my apartment 106 00:05:57,792 --> 00:06:00,316 and just crazy, crazy shit. 107 00:06:03,014 --> 00:06:05,060 Past Houston was the most dangerous. 108 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:06,540 I mean, you would just run 109 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:09,760 to your friends' houses down there. 110 00:06:09,891 --> 00:06:11,719 I used to tell people, "Well, there's Soho, 111 00:06:11,849 --> 00:06:13,155 there's Noho 112 00:06:13,285 --> 00:06:15,200 And I live in Uh-oh. 113 00:06:17,855 --> 00:06:20,031 I was so swept up in just the magic 114 00:06:20,162 --> 00:06:22,730 of everything that I didn't even notice the danger. 115 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:25,297 You have an artistic scene 116 00:06:25,428 --> 00:06:28,736 because you have one third artists 117 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:33,218 to two thirds people living an artistic life. 118 00:06:34,089 --> 00:06:35,351 When I moved there, there were still hookers 119 00:06:35,482 --> 00:06:37,048 and heroin on the street. 120 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:39,616 And personally, I feel way more comfortable 121 00:06:39,747 --> 00:06:41,357 in a neighborhood when there's still hookers 122 00:06:41,488 --> 00:06:43,141 and heroin on the street. It doesn't make me feel unsafe. 123 00:06:43,272 --> 00:06:45,100 It makes me feel safe 124 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:47,494 'Cause I know that my people are out there. 125 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:51,498 You knew everybody on Avenue A, we were, 126 00:06:51,628 --> 00:06:53,195 you know, in each other's audiences 127 00:06:53,325 --> 00:06:55,545 and going to each other's events. 128 00:06:55,676 --> 00:06:57,286 The East Village was just wild. 129 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,157 I mean, it was just full of characters. 130 00:06:59,288 --> 00:07:01,203 I mean, everywhere you went, there was characters. 131 00:07:01,333 --> 00:07:03,510 I mean, every single person had a look and a story, 132 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,033 and nobody had any money, 133 00:07:05,163 --> 00:07:06,948 but they all had a look. 134 00:07:07,078 --> 00:07:09,994 You could be anything that you wanted to be. 135 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:13,389 And the more eccentric 136 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,999 your choice was, 137 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:17,045 the more space was given to you. 138 00:07:17,175 --> 00:07:18,699 Really. 139 00:07:18,829 --> 00:07:21,919 And the more out there you became, 140 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:23,399 the more people would be like, 141 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:25,314 "You know what? That's an important person 142 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:27,098 in this community." 143 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,538 Pat, he's wearing the muscle Dean tank. 144 00:07:31,668 --> 00:07:35,672 Fernando is wearing the butch Dean Muscle 145 00:07:35,803 --> 00:07:39,284 And of course, Matt is wearing Dean on acid. 146 00:07:40,372 --> 00:07:41,852 I was working one night graveyard shift, 147 00:07:41,983 --> 00:07:43,506 and Dean come in and I said, "Man, 148 00:07:43,637 --> 00:07:45,552 who is that big bald guy?" He looked like the guy. 149 00:07:45,682 --> 00:07:47,684 The dude in The Hills Have Eyes, you know. 150 00:07:47,815 --> 00:07:49,120 And then so I said, "Oh, that's Dean Johnson, 151 00:07:49,251 --> 00:07:50,774 the gay party promoter." 152 00:07:50,905 --> 00:07:52,036 I said, "Boy, that is literally the biggest queer 153 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:54,038 I've ever seen in my life." 154 00:07:54,778 --> 00:07:56,737 The bald head, the hoop earrings, 155 00:07:56,867 --> 00:08:00,262 the little black dress, combat boots. 156 00:08:00,392 --> 00:08:01,524 It was sexy. 157 00:08:01,655 --> 00:08:03,091 We're here with Sinead O'Connor. 158 00:08:05,267 --> 00:08:07,095 You know, he knew he was never going to leave 159 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,620 CBGB's or the pyramid, and have someone go whistle at him 160 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:12,230 like he was a woman. 161 00:08:12,361 --> 00:08:14,929 It was an FU to be, like, in a stretch dress 162 00:08:15,059 --> 00:08:17,801 with drop earrings on and be his size. 163 00:08:18,410 --> 00:08:21,022 I loved his look just because it was so completely different 164 00:08:21,152 --> 00:08:23,590 than what was kind of happening 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,114 in most of the drag circles of New York. 166 00:08:26,244 --> 00:08:27,507 When I first saw Dean, I was like, 167 00:08:27,637 --> 00:08:29,509 "Oh, that bitch isn't even trying. 168 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:35,253 This is just a big old fucking man with a baritone." 169 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:38,909 And there was something so threatening about it. 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,824 Lipstick, a boner and heels. 171 00:08:45,176 --> 00:08:47,875 At the time, things were really rigid, 172 00:08:48,005 --> 00:08:51,487 segregated, gay or straight. 173 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:54,011 It was less queer. But Dean was always queer. 174 00:08:54,142 --> 00:08:55,752 Dean was always queer. 175 00:08:56,448 --> 00:08:58,842 Dean was always, like, gender fucked. 176 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:40,492 When I was, I was probably three. 177 00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:42,103 And so Dean would have been six. 178 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:44,105 And mother heard this gasp, you know, like... 179 00:09:44,235 --> 00:09:45,715 you know, coming from upstairs, 180 00:09:45,846 --> 00:09:47,151 and was wondering what the hell is going on. 181 00:09:47,282 --> 00:09:48,762 So she was like, "Dean, what's going on up there?" 182 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:50,720 And he came to the top of the stairs. 183 00:09:50,851 --> 00:09:53,636 He goes, "I'm trying to teach Beth about show business, 184 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:55,246 or at least everything I know." 185 00:09:55,377 --> 00:09:56,987 You know. 186 00:09:57,988 --> 00:09:59,555 From the day he was born, he was, you know, 187 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:01,209 in the show business. 188 00:10:03,037 --> 00:10:05,866 So Dean grew up in a small New England town. 189 00:10:05,996 --> 00:10:08,695 He had one sibling, Beth. 190 00:10:08,825 --> 00:10:13,308 His father was a Presbyterian minister 191 00:10:13,438 --> 00:10:15,832 and his mother was a psychologist. 192 00:10:18,139 --> 00:10:19,880 He talked about, you know, his father being 193 00:10:20,010 --> 00:10:21,708 a very conservative, normal, 194 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:23,840 you know, "Happy Days" type of household, you know, 195 00:10:23,971 --> 00:10:25,625 and I think that's one of the reasons 196 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:27,757 that probably fueled him to want to rage really hard 197 00:10:27,888 --> 00:10:30,325 and just go wild in every direction. 198 00:10:30,847 --> 00:10:32,806 My father would mumble and be very quiet. 199 00:10:32,936 --> 00:10:34,895 And then when he would preach, he was very clear 200 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:36,853 and very loud. And Dean was sort of the same way, 201 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:38,899 you know, he wasn't real loud in his life, 202 00:10:39,029 --> 00:10:41,858 but when he performed, he became this persona. 203 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:49,447 My mother's presents, you want to see what they are? 204 00:11:49,578 --> 00:11:52,233 A picture of me on the dunes when I was eight years old. 205 00:11:52,363 --> 00:11:53,974 My favorite stickers from childhood. 206 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:55,671 They say, "War is not healthy for children 207 00:11:55,802 --> 00:11:57,107 and other living things." 208 00:11:57,238 --> 00:11:58,805 I used to put them all over my room. 209 00:11:58,935 --> 00:12:01,633 And my very first little fork. 210 00:12:01,764 --> 00:12:03,200 Isn't that cute? 211 00:12:03,331 --> 00:12:04,985 All from mom. 212 00:12:05,115 --> 00:12:07,117 My mother is extremely sentimental, 213 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:10,120 but it's the thought that counts. 214 00:12:10,251 --> 00:12:11,861 Plus soap. She always steals soap 215 00:12:11,992 --> 00:12:13,471 from the hotels and gives them to me. 216 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:22,611 I met Dean, 217 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:25,222 uh, in 1979. 218 00:12:25,353 --> 00:12:26,746 We were freshmen at NYU, 219 00:12:26,876 --> 00:12:29,096 and we all lived pretty much 220 00:12:29,226 --> 00:12:33,404 within the same two floors of Weinstein's dormitory. 221 00:12:33,535 --> 00:12:35,537 It was impossible not to meet him. 222 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:39,367 He was tall. 223 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:43,588 I'd say he was pretty shy. 224 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:46,026 We had the same circle of friends. 225 00:12:46,156 --> 00:12:48,245 It was a buzzy kind of dorm. 226 00:12:49,246 --> 00:12:53,120 Jean-Michel Basquiat used to sneak in, do his graffiti. 227 00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:54,338 Samo. 228 00:12:54,469 --> 00:12:56,297 The desk clerk was Mr. Rick 229 00:12:56,427 --> 00:12:58,778 who's in a Beastie Boys song. 230 00:13:00,388 --> 00:13:02,346 I kind of went out with the boyfriend 231 00:13:02,477 --> 00:13:04,174 of Bridget Fonda. 232 00:13:07,047 --> 00:13:08,918 "Had sex in the dormitory rec room 233 00:13:09,049 --> 00:13:10,354 behind the bleachers 234 00:13:10,485 --> 00:13:12,095 while Rick Rubin and the Beastie Boys 235 00:13:12,226 --> 00:13:14,184 were rehearsing in the same room 236 00:13:14,315 --> 00:13:16,621 and didn't know we were there. 237 00:13:16,752 --> 00:13:19,102 Saw Richard Lloyd of Television perform 238 00:13:19,233 --> 00:13:22,279 high on dope in his pajamas at Hurrah. 239 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:25,195 Madonna is working the coat check." 240 00:13:26,196 --> 00:13:28,895 It was always something's about to happen. 241 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:31,767 Just a bunch of kids who had been outcast with, 242 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,596 as it turned out, great talent and wit 243 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:37,686 and, a snarkiness that we shared, 244 00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:40,297 maybe, all of us, but, uh, 245 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:42,212 but no agendas. 246 00:13:44,258 --> 00:13:46,782 I met Dean at NYU 247 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:50,873 in 1980, and actually, while we were at NYU 248 00:13:51,004 --> 00:13:55,269 living in the dorms, Dean shot the porno movie Daddy Dearest, 249 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:59,621 which, you know, come on, that was fucking intense. 250 00:13:59,751 --> 00:14:02,450 Insane. I mean, that's how that's how bombastic 251 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:04,844 and radical Dean was. 252 00:14:05,409 --> 00:14:08,325 "I shot a porno movie called Daddy Dearest. 253 00:14:08,456 --> 00:14:12,155 Dear Daddy, my name is Brad. 254 00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:14,984 I go to school at NYU. 255 00:14:15,115 --> 00:14:20,424 I'm 20 years old, horny, and I need a daddy. 256 00:14:20,555 --> 00:14:22,209 "It was fun for a minute, 257 00:14:22,339 --> 00:14:25,821 but by the second day of the shoot, I was bored. 258 00:14:25,952 --> 00:14:28,693 Some poor girl from my father's church in New England 259 00:14:28,824 --> 00:14:32,697 saw the ad in the paper and thought it was a real movie." 260 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:37,180 She showed up for the opening and had to sit through 261 00:14:37,311 --> 00:14:39,356 two hours of my butthole, 262 00:14:39,487 --> 00:14:42,055 spread 20ft across the screen." 263 00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:46,842 Fuck me, daddy. 264 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:48,278 Yeah, Daddy Dearest. 265 00:14:48,409 --> 00:14:49,584 That's a classic, have you seen it? 266 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,197 In today's terminology, 267 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,939 Dean is a perfect example of someone that was sex positive. 268 00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:58,898 Sex was his thing. 269 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:02,597 He built movements around that and organized around that. 270 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:04,555 We had joy in being outside 271 00:15:04,686 --> 00:15:07,689 the system of heteronormativity. 272 00:15:07,819 --> 00:15:09,691 He helped crack that shit open. 273 00:15:13,782 --> 00:15:15,436 Stonewall happens in 69. 274 00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:17,351 And obviously there was gay liberation 275 00:15:17,481 --> 00:15:21,442 or a gay rights movement before that. 276 00:15:21,572 --> 00:15:24,314 But it's really the beginning of the flowering of it. 277 00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:27,100 And, and so, the whole 70s was, 278 00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:30,625 was this eruption of the availability of sex. 279 00:15:30,755 --> 00:15:34,846 Bathhouses proliferated, back rooms in bars, 280 00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:36,936 you know, all sorts of ways that people 281 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:39,373 could get together and have sex. 282 00:15:42,593 --> 00:15:46,162 Dark rooms are part of queer history. 283 00:15:46,293 --> 00:15:48,817 There was a time where there was actually a necessity 284 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,427 for these places. 285 00:15:50,558 --> 00:15:53,648 These were where we could find our folks 286 00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:55,780 and the only places we felt comfortable 287 00:15:55,911 --> 00:15:57,043 connecting with them. 288 00:15:57,173 --> 00:15:59,654 Which is why public queer spaces 289 00:15:59,784 --> 00:16:03,614 for sex are part of who we are. 290 00:16:03,745 --> 00:16:07,575 They were a necessity, but it's also kind of 291 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:11,144 a dark, seedy, sexy turn on as well. 292 00:16:13,929 --> 00:16:16,758 Yeah, he a lot of sex. Dean had a lot of sex. 293 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:19,717 Sex with multiple people in a day. 294 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,893 That was part of his routine. 295 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:23,417 So he'd go to the gym, 296 00:16:23,547 --> 00:16:26,507 got maybe asked to leave or something. 297 00:16:26,637 --> 00:16:29,989 And then there would be, like, the cable guy came over 298 00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:32,208 and he had sex with a cable guy, 299 00:16:32,339 --> 00:16:36,517 and then it would be somebody out at night. 300 00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:40,912 He was particularly interested in sex clubs 301 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:44,699 in the context of nightlife. 302 00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:47,658 He writes about being at the piers 303 00:16:47,789 --> 00:16:49,791 when he was young. 304 00:16:49,921 --> 00:16:51,749 When he went to NYU, 305 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,838 he discovered the piers. 306 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,102 1980. 307 00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,627 "I was with this cute French guy 308 00:16:59,757 --> 00:17:02,238 and he took me into these huge, empty buildings 309 00:17:02,369 --> 00:17:05,589 that were full of guys walking around, cruising, 310 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:10,377 and then sex would start and a crowd would gather. 311 00:17:10,507 --> 00:17:12,770 Frenchie took me into this one room 312 00:17:12,901 --> 00:17:15,947 and we started having sex. 313 00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:17,949 A huge crowd gathered to watch, 314 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,169 and it was the first time I ever had sex 315 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,606 in front of an audience. 316 00:17:22,737 --> 00:17:25,261 He started to get a little self-conscious. 317 00:17:25,392 --> 00:17:28,395 I was loving it. 318 00:17:28,525 --> 00:17:31,311 Then he took me up to the roof. 319 00:17:31,441 --> 00:17:32,747 And everywhere you looked 320 00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:34,749 there were naked men sunbathing, 321 00:17:34,879 --> 00:17:37,969 laughing, playing, sucking cock. 322 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:41,016 It was like a gay paradise. 323 00:17:43,845 --> 00:17:46,413 We fucked in the sun and the circle line 324 00:17:46,543 --> 00:17:47,849 tooted its horn at us 325 00:17:47,979 --> 00:17:49,546 as they cruised by up the Hudson. 326 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:55,074 The tourists looked happy." 327 00:17:59,165 --> 00:18:00,731 Everybody was fucking all the time. 328 00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:03,908 And, it was such a trivial thing. 329 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,997 You could literally just walk down the street 330 00:18:06,128 --> 00:18:07,782 and the person next to you could be like, 331 00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:10,654 you know, "Let's fuck!" 332 00:18:10,785 --> 00:18:13,048 Dean and I crossed swords a couple of times. 333 00:18:15,311 --> 00:18:18,619 And he's a beautiful man, I'll tell you that much. 334 00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:21,361 Dean embodied liberation. 335 00:18:21,491 --> 00:18:24,407 I mean, not only because of the sexuality 336 00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:28,019 and the partying, but because it was wonderful 337 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:31,501 to be a seven foot bald queen 338 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:35,810 in silver lamé platform stilettos. 339 00:19:44,226 --> 00:19:45,836 "My roommate walked in this morning 340 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:47,751 with a copy of The Village Voice 341 00:19:47,882 --> 00:19:49,971 and said, 'There's a new cancer 342 00:19:50,101 --> 00:19:52,060 that only kills Gays.'" 343 00:19:58,022 --> 00:19:59,328 Scientists at the National Centers 344 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:01,200 for Disease Control in Atlanta, 345 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:03,637 today released the results of a study 346 00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:05,160 which shows that the lifestyle 347 00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:07,380 of some male homosexuals 348 00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:10,818 has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer. 349 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:12,689 The cause of the Acquired Immune 350 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,387 Deficiency Syndrome, or AIDS, 351 00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:17,651 is unknown, and there is no known cure. 352 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:20,175 It is not only the name for a disease, 353 00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:22,438 it is another name for fear. 354 00:20:23,352 --> 00:20:26,355 You know, originally it was called the gay cancer. 355 00:20:26,486 --> 00:20:29,010 Everybody thought that they were going to get infected 356 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,099 because you were gay. 357 00:20:32,622 --> 00:20:35,364 Back then AIDS was a death sentence 358 00:20:35,973 --> 00:20:38,454 It was devastating watching your friends die. 359 00:20:38,585 --> 00:20:40,195 It was just, you know, in their early 20s. 360 00:20:40,326 --> 00:20:43,764 I have friends that didn't make it to 30. 361 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:47,289 They called it the gay cancer that it came from monkeys. 362 00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:50,031 And Haiti. My mom lost it 363 00:20:50,161 --> 00:20:51,598 when they said Haiti, 364 00:20:51,728 --> 00:20:52,642 because she's like, "See, they're still trying 365 00:20:52,773 --> 00:20:53,904 to blame it on black people." 366 00:20:54,035 --> 00:20:55,645 You know, I mean, well, yeah. 367 00:20:57,038 --> 00:20:58,692 It's almost unimaginable 368 00:20:58,822 --> 00:21:01,651 how much homophobia there was in the culture. 369 00:21:01,782 --> 00:21:03,697 The vast majority of homosexuals 370 00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:05,786 were in the closet at the time, 371 00:21:05,916 --> 00:21:08,789 and there was this incredible discrimination. 372 00:21:11,748 --> 00:21:13,750 There was still this kind of 1950s 373 00:21:13,881 --> 00:21:15,361 biblical attitude 374 00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,885 about how we were kind of the... the things 375 00:21:18,015 --> 00:21:20,104 that didn't matter in the world because we weren't producing 376 00:21:20,235 --> 00:21:23,978 families or having two car garages. 377 00:21:24,108 --> 00:21:26,372 This was happening to a very specific 378 00:21:26,502 --> 00:21:29,244 part of the population. 379 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:30,941 You know, it was gay people. 380 00:21:31,072 --> 00:21:33,770 It was injection drug users. 381 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:36,991 It was people of color. 382 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:38,427 These guys had been thrown out of their homes 383 00:21:38,558 --> 00:21:39,994 anyway. 384 00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:42,736 And then they got sick and died, 385 00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:44,825 and their Christian parents said, 386 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:50,352 "That's what they get for being homosexuals." 387 00:21:50,483 --> 00:21:52,093 People really thought, "Well, I'm going to be dead 388 00:21:52,223 --> 00:21:53,616 in a few years." 389 00:21:53,747 --> 00:21:55,879 It was such a climate of fear. 390 00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:58,491 It made you want to live every day like it was your last. 391 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:07,804 "I moved to a studio on Ludlow Street, 392 00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:11,895 where I lived for the next ten years for $300 a month." 393 00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:14,333 We dropped out of NYU together. 394 00:22:14,463 --> 00:22:16,422 We left and went to Lower East Side, 395 00:22:17,205 --> 00:22:18,859 and that's when shit, you know, hit the fan, 396 00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:20,948 and became fun. 397 00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:30,566 We were both bald. 398 00:22:30,697 --> 00:22:32,220 That was part of our shtick. 399 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,746 We went around being bald friends together. 400 00:22:36,877 --> 00:22:39,009 "My friend Perry shaved her head 401 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:40,750 and I thought it looked so cool, 402 00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:43,144 so I shaved mine too. 403 00:22:43,274 --> 00:22:45,364 The next day, the housing police arrested me 404 00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:47,627 for being bald. 405 00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:49,368 I like being bald. 406 00:22:49,498 --> 00:22:52,153 Now I never have to worry about how my hair looks. 407 00:22:52,283 --> 00:22:54,677 I'm keeping it this way from now on." 408 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,767 Perry was kind of like the girl version, 409 00:22:57,898 --> 00:22:59,595 if that even makes any sense, 410 00:22:59,726 --> 00:23:02,903 because, well, they were both so androgynous, you know? 411 00:23:03,033 --> 00:23:04,644 She was boyish for a girl, 412 00:23:04,774 --> 00:23:07,081 but she was kind of like the female counterpart 413 00:23:07,211 --> 00:23:08,691 to his image. 414 00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:14,044 He was one of the first sort of famous people 415 00:23:14,175 --> 00:23:16,743 that I became friendly with. 416 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,616 You know, a New York nightlife celebrity was just the same 417 00:23:20,747 --> 00:23:25,273 as Divine or Deborah Harry or Cher or Elton John to me. 418 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:27,231 You know, they were all stars. 419 00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:43,683 ♪ A kissy, kissy, kissy, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 420 00:24:16,019 --> 00:24:17,543 1984. 421 00:24:19,588 --> 00:24:21,503 "A bunch of kids from the Pyramid 422 00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:23,984 went to Tompkins Square Park late last night, 423 00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:25,464 and put on a show. 424 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,555 They want to start doing it every year 425 00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:32,253 and calling it Wigstock." 426 00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:34,473 ♪ I did it every day ♪ 427 00:24:34,603 --> 00:24:37,519 ♪ But every night I would deposit ♪ 428 00:24:37,650 --> 00:24:40,827 ♪ The suit and tie Into the closet ♪ 429 00:24:40,957 --> 00:24:43,960 ♪ Wearing trousers, What a bore ♪ 430 00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:45,440 ♪ Ties and Cufflinks ♪ 431 00:24:45,571 --> 00:24:47,137 ♪ What a chore ♪ 432 00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:49,836 Wigstock was an outdoor festival, which I organized. 433 00:24:49,966 --> 00:24:51,707 I was working at the Pyramid at the time 434 00:24:51,838 --> 00:24:53,187 with a bunch of other drag queens, 435 00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:56,538 and the idea was to do a big show outdoors. 436 00:24:56,669 --> 00:24:57,844 Now, this next entertainer 437 00:24:57,974 --> 00:24:59,019 you may have seen him on the cover 438 00:24:59,149 --> 00:25:00,499 of the The Village Voice 439 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:02,675 or you may have seen him in an old porn movie. 440 00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:06,330 Here he is Dean Johnson! 441 00:25:10,683 --> 00:25:13,033 I was gonna wear a wig, but the glue kept melting off 442 00:25:13,163 --> 00:25:14,687 my head so... 443 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:16,210 let's just sing! 444 00:25:26,002 --> 00:25:27,787 ♪ Do the drag! ♪ 445 00:25:27,917 --> 00:25:29,615 The first year where a few homeless, 446 00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,965 you know, some stragglers from the Pyramid. 447 00:25:32,095 --> 00:25:33,836 It had very inauspicious beginnings, 448 00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:36,186 but it did grow by the end of the day. 449 00:25:36,317 --> 00:25:38,145 And then every year after that. 450 00:25:38,275 --> 00:25:41,061 And Dean was one of the big headliners at that point. 451 00:25:42,671 --> 00:25:43,759 Thank you. 452 00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:50,636 Want to say something first? 453 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:58,339 How many years have we done this together? 454 00:25:58,469 --> 00:25:59,558 Two too many! 455 00:25:59,688 --> 00:26:01,472 Too many. 456 00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:02,865 Wigstock was always my favorite 457 00:26:02,996 --> 00:26:05,041 when it was at Tompkins Square Park 458 00:26:05,172 --> 00:26:08,175 The East Village was just like taken over with drag queens 459 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,829 and wigs and music, 460 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:11,961 and everybody was just a love fest in the park. 461 00:26:12,092 --> 00:26:14,268 It was free and all the drag queens 462 00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:16,966 would come out and perform with their big wigs, 463 00:26:17,097 --> 00:26:21,928 and we would all gather and just be ourselves. 464 00:26:22,058 --> 00:26:25,279 Dean was there, reigning over everyone. 465 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:27,368 Like, seriously. 466 00:26:27,498 --> 00:26:29,849 Wigstock to me it was like better than Halloween. 467 00:26:29,979 --> 00:26:32,808 I worked all year on my costume. 468 00:26:32,939 --> 00:26:35,898 It was like all the drag queens I idolized. 469 00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,900 So it was just one big crazy blur. 470 00:26:38,031 --> 00:26:39,641 And I was probably drinking Wild Turkey 471 00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:42,252 the whole time too so... 472 00:26:42,383 --> 00:26:43,950 Back in our day, 473 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,649 you weren't a drag queen because you wanted to get rich, 474 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,433 or because there you might be able to get on a show 475 00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:51,348 or, you know, whatever. 476 00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:54,525 They were a special kind of person that wanted to do that. 477 00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:56,353 It was a subculture, 478 00:26:56,484 --> 00:26:57,746 and they were saying something 479 00:26:57,877 --> 00:26:59,922 and there was like an edge to it. 480 00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:03,186 I mean, none of them could be mainstream. 481 00:27:03,317 --> 00:27:05,667 It actually used to be dangerous. 482 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:08,365 It actually used to be revolutionary. 483 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:12,718 It used to take courage to fuck with gender 484 00:27:12,848 --> 00:27:15,590 and be very in people's face. 485 00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:17,984 When he performed at Wigstock, 486 00:27:18,114 --> 00:27:19,855 it was something really different for the crowd. 487 00:27:19,986 --> 00:27:22,684 It wasn't someone just coming out and doing a number. 488 00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:25,165 It was a six foot six bald drag queen 489 00:27:25,295 --> 00:27:28,037 in hoop earrings doing an angry rap song. 490 00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:32,433 This is the community that invented double fisting. 491 00:27:32,563 --> 00:27:34,653 Do you know how hard it is to shock people? 492 00:27:34,783 --> 00:27:36,785 Do you know how hard it is to get a rise out of people? 493 00:27:36,916 --> 00:27:38,482 But he did it. 494 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:46,055 "A friend took me to the gay pride parade, 495 00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:48,144 and I hit my head on one of those awnings 496 00:27:48,275 --> 00:27:49,842 on Fifth Avenue. 497 00:27:50,843 --> 00:27:52,845 Knocked me out cold. 498 00:27:52,975 --> 00:27:56,109 Regained consciousness, surrounded by gay men 499 00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:59,416 and choking on the smell of Perry Ellis cologne, 500 00:27:59,547 --> 00:28:02,158 Wrote a song called 'Bourgeois Boys.'" 501 00:28:36,627 --> 00:28:39,326 "The Village Voice named me one of five artists 502 00:28:39,456 --> 00:28:41,371 to watch this year. 503 00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,288 Started a band called Dean and the Weenies. 504 00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:47,116 I'm teaching myself to write music 505 00:28:47,247 --> 00:28:49,205 by using a Casio to dissect 506 00:28:49,336 --> 00:28:51,120 the hits on the radio. 507 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:54,341 It's not that hard, but everything I write 508 00:28:54,471 --> 00:28:57,300 has the same structure as 'Material Girl' 509 00:28:57,431 --> 00:28:59,172 and 'Footloose'. 510 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:02,871 Tonight we're proud to present Dean and the Weenies! 511 00:29:03,916 --> 00:29:06,701 ♪ Want your salami ♪ 512 00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:09,704 ♪ Want you to shove it ♪ 513 00:29:09,835 --> 00:29:12,272 ♪ Roast beef ♪ 514 00:29:12,402 --> 00:29:14,840 ♪ Extra lean ♪ 515 00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:17,103 ♪ Hold my pickle ♪ 516 00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,714 ♪ You know what I mean ♪ 517 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,542 So I play the electric mandolin 518 00:29:21,672 --> 00:29:24,327 in Dean and the Weenies and sang backup. 519 00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:27,113 So, so it was kind of like an avant garde role 520 00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:28,592 in the band 521 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:32,771 On bass Ms. Eunice Holland 522 00:29:32,901 --> 00:29:35,077 I thought that I was going to go off 523 00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:36,992 with my journalism degree. 524 00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:40,561 And then one day Dean said, "Eun, I'm starting a band. 525 00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:42,606 You've got a bass in your closet don't you?" 526 00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:45,479 And that was that. It was like, "Bye, journalism." 527 00:29:46,132 --> 00:29:49,135 On saxophone Mr. Lloyd Goldberg. 528 00:29:49,265 --> 00:29:53,356 Dean didn't give a rat's ass about, like, your background, 529 00:29:53,487 --> 00:29:55,184 who you were or what you were, 530 00:29:55,315 --> 00:29:57,752 you know, this Jewish kid from Queens. 531 00:29:57,883 --> 00:30:00,146 You know, I was going to be a dentist. 532 00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:03,149 I think it amused him more than anything. 533 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,325 I go, "You know how I sound. 534 00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:09,590 I sound like a drunk sax player at a bad Bar Mitzvah." 535 00:30:10,417 --> 00:30:13,072 Dean just looks back at me and goes, "Lloyd, 536 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:15,944 That's the sound I've always had in my head." 537 00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:38,358 Oh, we played Pyramid a lot. 538 00:30:38,488 --> 00:30:40,273 You know, we played at the Palladium. 539 00:30:40,403 --> 00:30:43,450 The Limelight, Danceteria. 540 00:30:47,584 --> 00:30:49,456 ♪ That's on demand! ♪ 541 00:30:51,414 --> 00:30:53,199 I was a backup singer. 542 00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:57,203 My sister Perry was an original Weenie and at a certain point, 543 00:30:57,333 --> 00:31:00,989 she got sick for one gig and I jumped in and filled in. 544 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,078 And then I just joined the Weenies. 545 00:31:11,913 --> 00:31:13,306 1986. 546 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,485 "I shot something for MTV 547 00:31:18,615 --> 00:31:22,141 called "Andy Warhol's 15 minutes". 548 00:31:22,271 --> 00:31:24,926 Andy, don't you love Drag Queens? 549 00:31:25,057 --> 00:31:27,407 Drag Queen is such, it's a down word 550 00:31:27,537 --> 00:31:29,844 it should be an up word, like, 551 00:31:29,975 --> 00:31:31,977 like, you know, Neo-Geo. 552 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:34,893 Neo drag is what we call the drag of the 80s. 553 00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:38,418 I got into drag because, I was, I had no money 554 00:31:38,548 --> 00:31:39,854 and they were having a beauty pageant 555 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,160 here at the Pyramid Club. 556 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:44,685 So I came down and I entered and I won. 557 00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:46,600 I'd like you to meet my friend Teri Toye. 558 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:48,776 ♪ Teri Toye I'll do your make-up, wanna do your hair ♪ 559 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,821 ♪ I wanna dress you up and take you everywhere ♪ 560 00:31:50,952 --> 00:31:52,736 ♪ Teri Toye, I'm gonna take you to a cool venue ♪ 561 00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:54,477 ♪ I'm gonna save all my drink tickets to give to you ♪ 562 00:31:54,608 --> 00:31:56,262 ♪ Teri, there ain't a woman who is scarier ♪ 563 00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:59,308 ♪ Teri, can you get me into Area, Teri? ♪ 564 00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:02,224 "We ended up with about ten seconds of screen time, 565 00:32:02,355 --> 00:32:05,227 but it's amazing how many people recognize you 566 00:32:05,358 --> 00:32:08,839 when you've been on MTV for ten seconds 567 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:11,233 Yeah. Onstage, he was uncompromising, 568 00:32:11,364 --> 00:32:12,713 really nasty. 569 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:16,238 Under the layers of his rage, 570 00:32:16,369 --> 00:32:18,937 there was a sweet guy who just wanted to be hugged. 571 00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:26,683 He kept his boyfriends very private, 572 00:32:26,814 --> 00:32:28,772 so I rarely met them. 573 00:32:28,903 --> 00:32:31,297 I met like, very few, and if I met them, 574 00:32:31,427 --> 00:32:35,344 to me, that meant that they weren't really that boyfriendy. 575 00:32:35,475 --> 00:32:37,259 I remember dozens of boyfriends 576 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:38,652 during the time we knew each other 577 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:39,653 like boyfriend was, 578 00:32:39,783 --> 00:32:42,003 it was a term, you know, 579 00:32:42,134 --> 00:32:43,700 these people were his boyfriends 580 00:32:43,831 --> 00:32:46,616 and it lasted as long as it lasted. 581 00:32:46,747 --> 00:32:49,141 I think the love of his life was Christopher Hook. 582 00:32:51,621 --> 00:32:53,362 He was living with Chris when I moved to New York. 583 00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:57,584 And, I think they had a very dysfunctional relationship. 584 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,543 I met Dean 585 00:33:00,674 --> 00:33:02,981 not too long after I moved to New York City, 586 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:05,548 and I remember being so grateful that I, like, 587 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,202 you know, sort of migrated 588 00:33:07,333 --> 00:33:09,030 into this group of people, 589 00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:12,468 this sort of a gaggle of misfits 590 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,340 where I can just be myself. 591 00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:18,387 Dean's generosity 592 00:33:18,518 --> 00:33:22,391 and what he exposed me to, he had such notoriety. 593 00:33:22,522 --> 00:33:25,699 And, and that was really exciting to me, 594 00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:27,962 even if I was the person on his arm, like, 595 00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:29,920 you know, I still felt like a star, 596 00:33:30,051 --> 00:33:31,661 like, you know, just being next to him. 597 00:33:31,792 --> 00:33:33,924 BBC, Dean Johnson, how are you doing? 598 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,187 I'm fine. 599 00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:36,275 What's your name? Chris. 600 00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:37,319 Chris and Dean. 601 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,104 Hello, London! 602 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:40,931 - Yeah. - I never liked you 603 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:45,371 The first time I even knew who Dean Johnson was 604 00:33:45,501 --> 00:33:47,460 was in the movie Mondo New York. 605 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:50,419 Mondo New York, home to outcast, 606 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:55,163 misfit, reject, pervert lunatics. 607 00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:57,078 It's before I moved to New York City, 608 00:33:57,209 --> 00:33:58,862 and I was kind of obsessed with that movie. 609 00:33:58,993 --> 00:34:00,603 I was like, "Oh, that's what I want to do. 610 00:34:00,734 --> 00:34:03,171 And when I got here and then I got to meet Dean Johnson, 611 00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:05,478 I was like, "Oh my God, it's Dean Johnson 612 00:34:05,608 --> 00:34:06,870 from Mondo New York." 613 00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:09,960 This is art 614 00:34:10,091 --> 00:34:13,051 The theme of Mondo New York was: what is art? 615 00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:18,230 So I really set upon myself to try to have an unlimited 616 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,624 vision of what was happening in New York at the time, 617 00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:25,280 And to really document it, because it does disappear. 618 00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:28,718 I remember we went to see Mondo New York 619 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:30,372 in a movie theater, and people, like, 620 00:34:30,503 --> 00:34:32,113 chased him down the street. 621 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,899 That was really exciting for the both of us. 622 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:38,902 Obviously, his quintessential song was "Fuck You." 623 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:43,255 ♪ I cannot remember your name and I could not care less ♪ 624 00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:47,172 ♪ I could have more fun Talking to the IRS ♪ 625 00:34:47,302 --> 00:34:51,219 ♪ Why don't you take Your problems to analysis? ♪ 626 00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:55,397 ♪ Take your foot out of your Mouth and suck on this ♪ 627 00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:59,097 ♪ Fuck you! ♪ 628 00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:00,707 That was, uh, quite the achievement 629 00:35:00,837 --> 00:35:02,796 "Fuck you" was like the swan song, right? 630 00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:04,667 He listed everything he hated 631 00:35:04,798 --> 00:35:06,539 ♪ Everybody now ♪ 632 00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:10,282 ♪ Fuck! ♪ ♪ The telephone company ♪ 633 00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:11,370 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 634 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,894 ♪ National security ♪ 635 00:35:14,024 --> 00:35:15,113 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 636 00:35:15,243 --> 00:35:17,767 ♪ The prime interest rates ♪ 637 00:35:17,898 --> 00:35:19,117 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 638 00:35:19,247 --> 00:35:20,988 ♪ The Secretary of State ♪ 639 00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:22,685 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 640 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:25,166 ♪ The Union Carbide ♪ 641 00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:26,211 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 642 00:35:26,341 --> 00:35:28,865 ♪ Third world genocide ♪ 643 00:35:28,996 --> 00:35:30,693 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 644 00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:32,565 ♪ Thermonuclear war ♪ 645 00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:33,609 ♪ Fuck! ♪ 646 00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:37,222 ♪ Mary Tyler Moore ♪ 647 00:35:37,352 --> 00:35:41,443 Just to see that lanky big weirdo singing, "Fuck you, 648 00:35:41,574 --> 00:35:43,445 Mary Tyler Moore." 649 00:35:43,576 --> 00:35:46,448 It was. It was pretty, pretty revolutionary. 650 00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:49,886 "Fuck Mary Tyler Moore," I mean, come on. 651 00:35:50,017 --> 00:35:50,974 That's great. 652 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:56,893 ♪ Fuck you! ♪ 653 00:35:57,024 --> 00:36:03,422 "Fuck you," the horn part was just me. 654 00:36:03,552 --> 00:36:07,513 I can hardly think of a time that Dean ever told me 655 00:36:07,643 --> 00:36:10,559 what to play, but when we recorded "Fuck You" 656 00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:14,520 he goes, "Drunk sax player Bar Mitzvah." 657 00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:19,002 He wanted that mood. He really wanted that. 658 00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:21,135 So I tried to deliver. 659 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,662 There was one night, Dean and I were sitting 660 00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:30,666 at the edge of the bar at a place called Boy Bar, 661 00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:32,799 and they were playing house music, 662 00:36:32,929 --> 00:36:34,540 which I'm not a big fan of. 663 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:36,150 Neither was Dean. 664 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,979 So I said, "I wish someone would open up 665 00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:41,155 a rock and roll fag bar." 666 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:44,985 And he said, "That's a great idea." 667 00:36:45,115 --> 00:36:46,813 "Went to the owners of The World 668 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:49,511 and asked them to let me have Tuesdays 669 00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:52,601 since the club was open that night anyway. 670 00:36:52,732 --> 00:36:55,343 In four weeks, Rock n'Roll Fag Bar 671 00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:58,172 was the hottest party in New York City 672 00:36:58,303 --> 00:37:01,567 and dominated the club scene for the rest of the decade." 673 00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:04,396 Rock n'Roll Fag Bar at The World 674 00:37:04,526 --> 00:37:06,049 was one of those things 675 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,008 that sort of changed nightlife in a way, 676 00:37:08,138 --> 00:37:11,707 cause it was the AIDS times. 677 00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,274 Reagan was president 678 00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:15,711 and the AIDS crisis was definitely decimating, 679 00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:17,844 you know, so many people 680 00:37:17,974 --> 00:37:20,325 ♪ You got something to smile about ♪ 681 00:37:20,455 --> 00:37:22,457 But it was weird because, like, when you're in the club 682 00:37:22,588 --> 00:37:24,503 with like, it was like... 683 00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:27,332 It was like nothing was going on like that outside. 684 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,511 The genius of Rock n'Roll Fag Bar 685 00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:34,513 was, first of all, it was in this kind of decayed 686 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:37,603 ballroom. It was like a great venue for this party. 687 00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:41,520 The world was falling 688 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:45,088 to pieces as the party was going on. 689 00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:48,309 Every time there was even moderately loud music there, 690 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,050 the whole chandelier 691 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:51,878 would look like it was just going to come down 692 00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:53,532 on everyone's heads. 693 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,318 That place was such a dump. 694 00:37:57,449 --> 00:37:59,712 A magic, magic dump. 695 00:37:59,842 --> 00:38:01,279 ♪ Two, three, four ♪ 696 00:38:03,716 --> 00:38:06,066 We were the house band in the crystal room, 697 00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:09,025 and we played with, like, all these different people. 698 00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:10,636 He had great performances. 699 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:12,115 I remember that's one of the first places 700 00:38:12,246 --> 00:38:13,595 that a lot of people saw Deee-lite 701 00:38:13,726 --> 00:38:15,554 and David Bowie's Tin Machine. 702 00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:17,338 They performed there. 703 00:38:17,469 --> 00:38:19,297 When you're kind of growing up gay 704 00:38:19,427 --> 00:38:20,863 and trying to find your way, 705 00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:22,604 the type of music I always associated with 706 00:38:22,735 --> 00:38:25,172 was like The Village People or Sylvester, 707 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:27,348 and the fact that at The World you could have 708 00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:30,395 a thousand gay men dancing to The Ramones 709 00:38:30,525 --> 00:38:32,005 just blew my mind. 710 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,093 Because at the time, you know, 711 00:38:33,223 --> 00:38:35,313 it was all disco and show tunes 712 00:38:35,443 --> 00:38:37,227 and we were very much rock n roll. 713 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:39,578 ♪ Have a little bit of fun ♪ 714 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,276 ♪ When 17 is ready, Willing and hung ♪ 715 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:44,234 ♪ He's Chicken! ♪ 716 00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:46,672 What kind of crowd? do you like here 717 00:38:46,802 --> 00:38:48,543 on Tuesday's at The World? 718 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:50,240 Oh, everyone here was just so good looking 719 00:38:50,371 --> 00:38:51,938 that I get dizzy. 720 00:38:52,068 --> 00:38:54,157 Um... 721 00:38:54,288 --> 00:38:55,594 And it's really fun. 722 00:38:55,724 --> 00:38:57,291 We have lots of pop stars 723 00:38:57,422 --> 00:38:59,075 and drag queens and half naked boys 724 00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:00,512 running all over the club. 725 00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:02,601 And we all have such a good time. 726 00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:04,951 We would do all sorts of drugs, 727 00:39:05,081 --> 00:39:07,388 lots of hallucinogenics. 728 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,477 We were totally into tripping and, you know, 729 00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:12,088 He'd come over and we would, you know, do bong hits, 730 00:39:12,219 --> 00:39:13,699 you know, during the day. 731 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:16,136 That was what life was like for years. 732 00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:21,837 Everyone was dressed up and dancing 733 00:39:21,968 --> 00:39:23,578 and it was great. 734 00:39:24,405 --> 00:39:26,102 It brought drag in a way, 735 00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:28,888 and rock and roll, which usually didn't mix. 736 00:39:29,018 --> 00:39:33,545 And activism, defiant open queerness. 737 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,199 And it was sexy. 738 00:39:37,113 --> 00:39:39,681 It was the first time we sort of started feeling sexy again 739 00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:41,596 in a long time. 740 00:39:41,727 --> 00:39:44,207 I want everybody to take their clothes off for this next song. 741 00:39:44,338 --> 00:39:47,428 Yeah! 742 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,084 At some point there became a back room 743 00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:53,695 and it was like, "Oh, clubs are doing back rooms again. 744 00:39:53,826 --> 00:39:57,264 This was, we had assumed that was a lost art form. 745 00:39:57,830 --> 00:39:59,353 You know, I knew Dean was the person 746 00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:02,051 that kind of brought back the back room sex party, 747 00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:03,836 in the sense that he went backstage 748 00:40:03,966 --> 00:40:07,840 and put a light bulb in a room, and got a curtain, 749 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:12,758 and, ah! Suddenly radical sex could be had again. 750 00:40:12,888 --> 00:40:14,847 "I put out invites saying we were having 751 00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:16,849 a wild sex party. 752 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:20,026 I just darkened the back room and put a box of Kleenex 753 00:40:20,156 --> 00:40:23,812 and a 10 pound jar of Vaseline under a pin light. 754 00:40:24,683 --> 00:40:28,382 I hung a sign that said, "This way to the Testosteroom. 755 00:40:28,513 --> 00:40:30,515 Thinking it was a big joke. 756 00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:32,778 About an hour later, I looked up 757 00:40:32,908 --> 00:40:35,563 and was surrounded by people fucking. 758 00:40:35,694 --> 00:40:39,480 That was how Rock 'nRoll Fag Bar became a sex party." 759 00:40:42,004 --> 00:40:45,660 It was a big orgy as most of Dean's parties were. 760 00:40:46,618 --> 00:40:48,315 When AIDS started hitting in the early 80s, 761 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,578 everyone thought, "Oh, we can never have sex again." 762 00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:54,147 Sex was really scary at that point. 763 00:40:54,277 --> 00:40:57,890 Nobody knew how to navigate the new rules of sex. 764 00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:59,892 But as it became clearer, 765 00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,589 people did started having sex again. 766 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,418 Because it's a natural impulse. It's human. 767 00:41:05,854 --> 00:41:07,508 And Dean was at the forefront 768 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,380 of bringing sex back to nightlife. 769 00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:17,692 Dean was very big on safe sex in his day. 770 00:41:17,823 --> 00:41:19,564 There were, like, thousands of condoms available 771 00:41:19,694 --> 00:41:20,913 for people to use. 772 00:41:21,043 --> 00:41:23,176 Was everybody safe? Absolutely not. 773 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:27,441 What really set Dean apart 774 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:30,139 and what made Dean important 775 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,970 was Dean's focus on sex. 776 00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:37,669 I don't think Dean was trying to be provocative. 777 00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:43,936 Dean was responding to the kind of, 778 00:41:44,676 --> 00:41:48,984 judgmental attitude towards people 779 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:52,292 that happened during the AIDS epidemic. 780 00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:58,037 His entire take 781 00:41:58,167 --> 00:42:00,735 was to fly in the face 782 00:42:00,866 --> 00:42:02,998 of that judgment. 783 00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,131 Strip! 784 00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:07,612 And that's part of us 785 00:42:07,742 --> 00:42:10,658 throwing these sex positive events 786 00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:13,531 and why we were so in your face with the sexuality 787 00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:15,445 as we were trying to tell 788 00:42:15,576 --> 00:42:18,840 our community that we are still 789 00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:23,366 sexual beings and that it is innate in us. 790 00:42:23,497 --> 00:42:25,543 It is healthy and it's a beautiful thing. 791 00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:30,635 Those of us who were pro sex positive 792 00:42:30,765 --> 00:42:35,204 in the 80s, that came out of a real fuck you 793 00:42:35,335 --> 00:42:39,382 that no, we're not going to like crawl into a hole 794 00:42:39,513 --> 00:42:41,471 and say, "Yes, you're right. 795 00:42:41,602 --> 00:42:43,473 Oh my God, I'm going to do three Hail Marys 796 00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:45,563 and I'm not going to be, 797 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:50,002 you know, the sexual entity that I am. 798 00:42:50,132 --> 00:42:51,917 For some of us sex is private 799 00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:55,703 and kind of our relief from the rest of our lives. 800 00:42:55,834 --> 00:42:58,227 But for Dean, it was public and a part 801 00:42:58,358 --> 00:42:59,838 of the rest of his life. 802 00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:02,101 It was an extension, a ten inch long extension 803 00:43:02,231 --> 00:43:04,756 of the rest of his life. 804 00:43:04,886 --> 00:43:07,454 This is Rock 'nRoll Fag Bar! 805 00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:14,069 1988. 806 00:43:15,636 --> 00:43:17,464 How am I doin'? 807 00:43:22,948 --> 00:43:25,385 "'Fuck You' was the most requested video 808 00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:29,650 on Rock America's Club chart for six consecutive months. 809 00:43:29,781 --> 00:43:31,609 Dean and the Weenies is flying 810 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:34,220 all over the country doing shows." 811 00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:35,787 Dean and the Weenies got so popular 812 00:43:35,917 --> 00:43:37,615 that they did get signed by Island Records. 813 00:43:41,357 --> 00:43:43,664 I'd like to announce since we're celebrating tonight, 814 00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:46,362 that Dean and the Weenies has just landed a contract 815 00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:47,537 with Island Records 816 00:43:52,064 --> 00:43:54,936 You might actually be seeing a drag queen 817 00:43:55,067 --> 00:43:58,070 on MTV who's willing to admit that he's a drag queen. 818 00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:06,078 "The day after I signed the contract, 819 00:44:06,208 --> 00:44:08,863 I found out I'm HIV positive. 820 00:44:09,734 --> 00:44:13,085 All of a sudden, nothing seems to matter very much. 821 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:16,610 I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with the press junket, 822 00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:19,221 knowing this is hanging over my head, 823 00:44:20,179 --> 00:44:23,138 and I'm getting a reputation for being difficult." 824 00:44:25,575 --> 00:44:27,926 We all assumed that we would get AIDS. 825 00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:30,624 We all assumed that we would die 826 00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:32,278 because it was a death sentence, 827 00:44:32,408 --> 00:44:34,280 and we saw our friends drop. 828 00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:37,936 So, amidst the partying, there was this real 829 00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:43,071 specter of death and, you know, loss. 830 00:44:47,554 --> 00:44:50,296 There is a really big difference 831 00:44:50,426 --> 00:44:53,168 between being in the downtown 832 00:44:53,299 --> 00:44:55,214 art scene in the 80s, 833 00:44:55,344 --> 00:44:57,695 when every other person you knew 834 00:44:57,825 --> 00:45:01,046 was sick or dying, and you were waiting 835 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:04,049 to become positive. 836 00:45:04,179 --> 00:45:05,398 It devastated the East Village. 837 00:45:05,528 --> 00:45:07,748 It devastated the art world. 838 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:11,012 It just changed New York. 839 00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:14,059 It destroyed an entire generation 840 00:45:14,189 --> 00:45:16,539 or two generations, 841 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:19,064 um, of queer people. 842 00:45:19,194 --> 00:45:21,240 Ronald Reagan didn't care about the AIDS crisis. 843 00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:22,545 This is not our problem. 844 00:45:22,676 --> 00:45:24,373 You know, we don't care. 845 00:45:26,332 --> 00:45:29,814 Being apolitical was not an option. 846 00:45:29,944 --> 00:45:31,772 You had to speak up. You had to go to rallies. 847 00:45:31,903 --> 00:45:33,513 You had to go to marches 848 00:45:33,643 --> 00:45:36,429 Health care is a right! Health care is a right! 849 00:45:37,299 --> 00:45:39,388 You know, you had to raise hell. 850 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,261 How do you feel about [inaudible]? 851 00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:44,611 The issue of AIDS? 852 00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:47,092 Well, I mean, it's not... 853 00:45:47,222 --> 00:45:49,572 I mean, when you say how much of the issue, you know, 854 00:45:49,703 --> 00:45:51,270 it's not really an issue, 855 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,751 it's, it's, it's much more than that. 856 00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:56,492 It's a holocaust. 857 00:45:56,623 --> 00:45:59,844 It's people dying all around us. 858 00:45:59,974 --> 00:46:02,890 You know, my friends are dying 859 00:46:03,021 --> 00:46:04,587 ACT-UP did a demonstration 860 00:46:04,718 --> 00:46:06,589 in Washington where they had... 861 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,767 They were throwing the ashes of their loved ones 862 00:46:09,897 --> 00:46:11,986 on the White House lawn. 863 00:46:13,031 --> 00:46:14,423 I cried through the whole thing. 864 00:46:14,554 --> 00:46:16,469 I mean, that's, you know, it very powerful. 865 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:28,089 It's a tragedy that we're just beginning to experience 866 00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,832 the loss of, um... 867 00:46:33,312 --> 00:46:35,227 And I hope this record will do something, 868 00:46:35,357 --> 00:46:37,446 I don't think it is going to do much, 869 00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,361 But it's better than sitting around 870 00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:41,363 and doing nothing at all. 871 00:46:43,235 --> 00:46:45,541 1989. 872 00:46:45,672 --> 00:46:47,065 "Island is not liking me 873 00:46:47,195 --> 00:46:51,025 because I won't shut up about being gay. 874 00:46:51,156 --> 00:46:53,288 Apparently, they didn't realize how vocal 875 00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:55,029 I intended to be on the subject 876 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,814 when they signed me. 877 00:46:57,423 --> 00:47:01,601 In fact, they didn't seem to realize I was gay at all. 878 00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:03,951 To make matters worse, my A&R guy 879 00:47:04,082 --> 00:47:07,085 is in the closet and dying of AIDS. 880 00:47:07,215 --> 00:47:08,564 He hates me." 881 00:47:11,176 --> 00:47:13,178 He had a shot of fame with "Fuck You" 882 00:47:13,308 --> 00:47:14,744 and Mondo New York, 883 00:47:14,875 --> 00:47:16,442 and the industry was all over him for a minute, 884 00:47:16,572 --> 00:47:18,226 and they were like, "Oh, wait a minute. 885 00:47:18,357 --> 00:47:21,099 You're like a six and a half feet tall gay drag queen? 886 00:47:21,229 --> 00:47:23,666 I don't think we can market that." 887 00:47:24,232 --> 00:47:25,581 Dean was getting ready to try 888 00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:26,626 to put together a tour, to go on tour 889 00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:28,193 with The Weenies, 890 00:47:28,323 --> 00:47:29,716 and then they said, "Oh, no, no, we're dropping you 891 00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:31,283 from the label. We really were trying to go 892 00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:32,588 in a different direction. We don't want all 893 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,547 this queer music." 894 00:47:34,677 --> 00:47:36,984 And then somebody called him on the phone and said, "Hey, 895 00:47:37,115 --> 00:47:39,552 did you give this homeless man all your albums? 896 00:47:39,682 --> 00:47:41,336 Because there's a homeless man out here on, like, 897 00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,556 Fourth and Lafayette selling all your CDs, 898 00:47:43,686 --> 00:47:45,079 and he was like, "What?" 899 00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:46,776 And so he ran down to Island Records, 900 00:47:46,907 --> 00:47:48,561 and sure enough, in the back alley 901 00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:50,737 there was a dumpster, and there was just thousands 902 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:52,565 and thousands of Dean and the Weenies CDs. 903 00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:55,002 He didn't even have, like, the courtesy to even call him 904 00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:57,091 and say, "Hey, listen, we where you can have these." 905 00:47:57,222 --> 00:47:59,485 We had a contract with Island. 906 00:47:59,615 --> 00:48:01,356 But we're right now we're unsigned. 907 00:48:01,487 --> 00:48:03,097 It was disheartening, because it was, 908 00:48:03,228 --> 00:48:04,577 you know, it was something that he was working towards 909 00:48:04,707 --> 00:48:06,666 and something that he really wanted. 910 00:48:06,796 --> 00:48:08,711 And they just wanted him to completely be 911 00:48:08,842 --> 00:48:10,322 something that he wasn't. 912 00:48:11,236 --> 00:48:12,498 He hit his head up against the wall 913 00:48:12,628 --> 00:48:14,021 with the music industry, 914 00:48:14,152 --> 00:48:15,849 But he's one of those pioneers 915 00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:18,330 that had to bang on the door for it to break open. 916 00:48:20,027 --> 00:48:24,336 He wanted to continually tell the story 917 00:48:24,466 --> 00:48:27,774 that he was an important rock star, and that, 918 00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:30,864 you know, that it was somehow stolen from him. 919 00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:35,216 We had a showcase at The World 920 00:48:35,347 --> 00:48:37,566 with David Bowie's manager, 921 00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:41,266 and the Weenies showed up at The World. 922 00:48:41,396 --> 00:48:42,963 We did our soundcheck. 923 00:48:43,616 --> 00:48:45,139 No Dean. 924 00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:47,054 No... Showtime, no Dean. 925 00:48:47,185 --> 00:48:50,449 No Dean. Where was Dean? In jail! 926 00:48:50,579 --> 00:48:53,931 "I started doing a lot of heroin. 927 00:48:54,061 --> 00:48:57,325 On Halloween I was booked to play at The World. 928 00:48:57,456 --> 00:49:00,502 David Bowie's manager was coming to check out the band. 929 00:49:01,503 --> 00:49:05,725 I stopped to cop some dope on my way to the show. 930 00:49:05,855 --> 00:49:08,641 It was a set up, and I got busted. 931 00:49:10,469 --> 00:49:13,167 The fact that my arresting officer was a fan 932 00:49:13,298 --> 00:49:15,517 and an obvious closet case didn't help me 933 00:49:15,648 --> 00:49:17,258 get out of trouble. 934 00:49:18,085 --> 00:49:20,870 For a while, the van was parked in front of The World, 935 00:49:21,001 --> 00:49:23,656 and I could watch fans lining up for my show 936 00:49:23,786 --> 00:49:27,225 while I was handcuffed in the back. 937 00:49:27,355 --> 00:49:30,750 That was pretty much the end of Dean and the Weenies. 938 00:49:32,578 --> 00:49:34,928 I spent the next two years doing dope 939 00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:37,887 and being shipped off to various rehabs." 940 00:49:40,064 --> 00:49:42,588 There was a heavy heroin period 941 00:49:42,718 --> 00:49:45,156 where things dissolved 942 00:49:45,286 --> 00:49:48,072 for the rest of the members of the band. 943 00:49:48,202 --> 00:49:50,552 Devastation for sure. 944 00:49:56,558 --> 00:49:58,125 We kind of had this rule that we weren't 945 00:49:58,256 --> 00:49:59,953 gonna do heroin 946 00:50:00,084 --> 00:50:03,652 because we recognized our addictive personalities. 947 00:50:03,783 --> 00:50:09,963 Later, I started doing heroin and we didn't tell each other. 948 00:50:10,094 --> 00:50:13,706 By the time we had a crying confession where he said, 949 00:50:13,836 --> 00:50:18,711 you know, "I fucked up and here's where I'm at." 950 00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:21,801 I thought, "Fuck, so am I." 951 00:50:21,931 --> 00:50:25,544 But at that point it was, we were in it. 952 00:50:25,674 --> 00:50:27,415 I would leave because I felt like, you know, 953 00:50:27,546 --> 00:50:29,026 "Oh, I can't take this anymore." 954 00:50:29,156 --> 00:50:30,331 And then I would come back because I wasn't able 955 00:50:30,462 --> 00:50:31,811 to take care of myself. 956 00:50:34,988 --> 00:50:37,817 There was something broken in us, in a weird way. 957 00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:43,083 We were like two ships crashing in the night. 958 00:50:44,215 --> 00:50:46,173 1990. 959 00:50:46,304 --> 00:50:49,829 "I'm delivering Mexican food and shooting lots of dope. 960 00:50:50,699 --> 00:50:54,138 Tried rehab, escaped from mental hospital. 961 00:50:54,268 --> 00:50:56,096 Long story. 962 00:50:56,227 --> 00:50:59,491 Then my best friend died of a cocaine overdose. 963 00:50:59,621 --> 00:51:02,102 Somebody put him out with the trash, 964 00:51:02,233 --> 00:51:05,671 and they found him the next day behind the garbage cans." 965 00:51:08,674 --> 00:51:10,676 We both got really fucked up in the 90s. 966 00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:12,634 Very, very fucked up on drugs. 967 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:17,552 I was holed up at Chelsea Hotel and I called up Dean 968 00:51:17,683 --> 00:51:20,729 and I'm like, "Do you want to come over and help me clean?" 969 00:51:21,643 --> 00:51:23,297 And I had a ton of coke, 970 00:51:23,428 --> 00:51:25,082 and he had some heroin. 971 00:51:25,212 --> 00:51:27,388 And we came over it and, like, 972 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:29,999 I don't know, we hung out for like four days 973 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,873 You know, cleaned my house and then wrecked it again. 974 00:51:35,875 --> 00:51:38,182 I think any artist in America 975 00:51:38,312 --> 00:51:40,097 that is doing anything 976 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:44,275 that's off the mainstream radar has a lot of obstacles, 977 00:51:44,405 --> 00:51:45,493 and it's not surprising to me 978 00:51:45,624 --> 00:51:48,017 that we seek out coping mechanisms 979 00:51:48,148 --> 00:51:51,195 that might be looked down upon 980 00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:53,980 or can eventually become fatal. 981 00:51:56,809 --> 00:52:00,117 "Got fired from Webster Hall for being a junkie. 982 00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:02,641 Ended up turning tricks with Vietnam vets 983 00:52:02,771 --> 00:52:05,818 in an alleyway in Jersey City for crack. 984 00:52:05,948 --> 00:52:07,385 Back to rehab." 985 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:11,780 Then it was Giuliani time. 986 00:52:11,911 --> 00:52:14,914 Oh, boy. Here it comes. 987 00:52:15,044 --> 00:52:17,743 New York City is poised for dramatic change. 988 00:52:17,873 --> 00:52:21,312 The era of fear has had a long enough reign. 989 00:52:21,442 --> 00:52:24,445 The period of doubt has run its course. 990 00:52:25,054 --> 00:52:26,882 Giuliani took over, 991 00:52:27,013 --> 00:52:29,320 and he made it his mission to crack down on nightlife. 992 00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:33,193 Which is absurd, because nightlife pumps tons of money 993 00:52:33,324 --> 00:52:34,760 into the city, and tons of energy 994 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:36,457 and creative excitement. 995 00:52:38,242 --> 00:52:40,113 But he wanted to make the city safe 996 00:52:40,244 --> 00:52:42,855 for tourists and co-op owners. 997 00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:45,988 You know, they were particularly adult themes 998 00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,209 places, places with people of color, 999 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:51,211 and all the queer bars. 1000 00:52:51,342 --> 00:52:52,908 So, we would have the cops coming in 1001 00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,259 in the middle of the night and, you know, 1002 00:52:56,042 --> 00:52:57,870 the entire club would have to shut down 1003 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,611 and everybody would leave. 1004 00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:01,961 And then there was, of course, the cabaret law, 1005 00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:05,094 which was the antiquated law that they were utilizing 1006 00:53:05,225 --> 00:53:07,401 to shut down whatever club they wanted. 1007 00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:09,186 If there were three or more people moving 1008 00:53:09,316 --> 00:53:11,188 in a rhythmic fashion, 1009 00:53:11,318 --> 00:53:14,103 then it was considered against the law and it was illegal. 1010 00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:16,193 Unless you had a cabaret license, 1011 00:53:16,323 --> 00:53:18,717 which none of us had. 1012 00:53:19,674 --> 00:53:21,241 The Palladium had to come down. 1013 00:53:21,372 --> 00:53:22,677 Squeezebox had to come down. 1014 00:53:22,808 --> 00:53:24,679 The Boy Bar had to be torn down. 1015 00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:26,812 People from all different economic classes 1016 00:53:26,942 --> 00:53:28,727 and races and sexual orientation 1017 00:53:28,857 --> 00:53:30,642 or whatever, they could all be in here, mingling around. 1018 00:53:30,772 --> 00:53:32,731 This is dangerous. 1019 00:53:32,861 --> 00:53:37,649 Suddenly, everything got a lot less fun. 1020 00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:44,830 1994. 1021 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,875 "Finally quit doing heroin 1022 00:53:47,006 --> 00:53:50,096 and started taking anti-depressants instead. 1023 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:51,880 Gave up on club life. 1024 00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:55,710 Got a boyfriend and a job, and settled down. 1025 00:53:56,494 --> 00:53:59,236 And then one day I met little Mary Feaster, 1026 00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:01,368 the bass player for the Velvet Mafia, 1027 00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:05,372 and asked her if she wanted to start a band. 1028 00:54:05,503 --> 00:54:07,766 Mary and I started writing new material 1029 00:54:07,896 --> 00:54:09,942 while I went to work getting us gigs." 1030 00:54:14,294 --> 00:54:16,949 He taught me a lot about performing, 1031 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,733 like bringing it. 1032 00:54:18,864 --> 00:54:20,126 You know, if you're going to get up there, like, 1033 00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:22,520 don't stand there and look at your shoes, 1034 00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:23,999 you know, like, bring it. 1035 00:54:32,486 --> 00:54:33,835 I guess you would describe it 1036 00:54:33,966 --> 00:54:36,838 as kind of glam rock, 1037 00:54:36,969 --> 00:54:38,797 but queer glam rock. 1038 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,634 The term Velvet Mafia 1039 00:54:49,764 --> 00:54:55,683 came from this description of powerful, 1040 00:54:55,814 --> 00:54:59,687 like players in the entertainment industry 1041 00:54:59,818 --> 00:55:01,950 who were closeted gay men, 1042 00:55:02,081 --> 00:55:03,517 and they were called the Velvet Mafia, 1043 00:55:03,648 --> 00:55:05,302 that they controlled everything. 1044 00:55:08,261 --> 00:55:11,177 He really was unique in his presentation, 1045 00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:13,788 the way he really staged his shows. 1046 00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:16,443 The characters that were within the band 1047 00:55:16,574 --> 00:55:19,098 had a performance art aspect. 1048 00:55:19,228 --> 00:55:22,275 I was Trixie the Times Square hooker 1049 00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:25,060 I'm Dixie the Orlando crack whore. 1050 00:55:27,324 --> 00:55:29,413 I was in male drag, always, 1051 00:55:29,543 --> 00:55:32,546 as Bruno Bettlehiemer and all these guys 1052 00:55:32,677 --> 00:55:33,765 were winking at me and... 1053 00:55:36,028 --> 00:55:38,987 The male drag was really a fun experience. 1054 00:55:39,597 --> 00:55:42,643 The whole layer of protection of having an on stage persona. 1055 00:55:42,774 --> 00:55:46,386 You never felt compelled to take yourself seriously. 1056 00:55:46,517 --> 00:55:48,170 You know, it's like it's you're doing it 1057 00:55:48,301 --> 00:55:50,259 for the spectacle of it all. 1058 00:55:53,045 --> 00:55:54,742 Hello, we are the Velvet Mafia! 1059 00:55:56,831 --> 00:55:58,355 1999. 1060 00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:02,881 "Decided the queer music scene needed a new home 1061 00:56:03,011 --> 00:56:05,492 and opened Homocore at CBGB 1062 00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:09,017 as a monthly queer music showcase celebration." 1063 00:56:09,148 --> 00:56:10,889 The whole idea for Homocore, 1064 00:56:11,019 --> 00:56:13,108 which is the event that you're attending right now, 1065 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,067 came to me, 1066 00:56:15,197 --> 00:56:18,592 when Lady Bunny decided to quit doing live music at Wigstock. 1067 00:56:18,723 --> 00:56:22,422 Actually, the next four artists are all Wigstock refugees. 1068 00:56:22,553 --> 00:56:23,902 We've all been kicked out of the show 1069 00:56:24,032 --> 00:56:26,383 for being too rock and roll. 1070 00:56:26,513 --> 00:56:28,863 Homocore! I love Homocore! 1071 00:56:29,864 --> 00:56:33,041 He approached Hilly, the owner of CBGB's, 1072 00:56:33,172 --> 00:56:34,782 and said, "I want to do Homocore. 1073 00:56:34,913 --> 00:56:38,569 I want to do a once-a-month rock and roll gig 1074 00:56:38,699 --> 00:56:41,354 for gay and lesbian and trans people. 1075 00:56:41,485 --> 00:56:44,923 And Hilly was full on, on board, like, definitely. 1076 00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:52,234 "Rufus Wainwright really helped us 1077 00:56:52,365 --> 00:56:53,801 put the night on the map, 1078 00:56:53,932 --> 00:56:55,455 And celebrities start slinking through 1079 00:56:55,586 --> 00:56:58,153 the door on a routine basis. 1080 00:56:58,937 --> 00:57:02,201 Parker Posey shows up in her best in-show braces, 1081 00:57:02,331 --> 00:57:04,595 and Kirstie Alley wasn't too big to scale 1082 00:57:04,725 --> 00:57:07,293 the amplifiers for a better view of the stage." 1083 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,252 I saw so many acts for the first time there. 1084 00:57:10,383 --> 00:57:12,559 I saw Cazwell for the first time there. 1085 00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:16,041 Gay hip hop people, young gay punk bands, 1086 00:57:16,171 --> 00:57:17,825 rock bands. 1087 00:57:17,956 --> 00:57:20,828 It was like a real activist move on Dean's part 1088 00:57:20,959 --> 00:57:26,834 to get the community out of the marginalized fringes. 1089 00:57:26,965 --> 00:57:29,663 Dean asked me to come and perform at CBGB's, 1090 00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:32,884 and I said, "Okay," not really knowing exactly CBGBs, 1091 00:57:33,014 --> 00:57:35,843 what it meant. But then I realized what it meant, 1092 00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:38,629 and it was very, very major. 1093 00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:39,978 Through rock and roll. 1094 00:57:40,108 --> 00:57:42,154 He brought all of us together. 1095 00:57:42,284 --> 00:57:46,114 Queers like lesbians, fags, straight people, 1096 00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:50,205 Hot people, not so hot people. 1097 00:57:50,336 --> 00:57:52,164 I will always get like, mostly straight audiences. 1098 00:57:52,294 --> 00:57:54,383 And they loved us, you know? But I was like, "Well, 1099 00:57:54,514 --> 00:57:55,994 gay people would like my music, 1100 00:57:56,124 --> 00:57:57,952 but they were too afraid to go to CBGB." 1101 00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:01,434 There's something about punk that's really intimidating 1102 00:58:01,565 --> 00:58:02,870 to a lot of gay men 1103 00:58:03,001 --> 00:58:04,872 because it's so testosterone fueled, 1104 00:58:05,003 --> 00:58:06,265 you know, like they're afraid they're going to get, like, 1105 00:58:06,395 --> 00:58:08,746 like, slammed, danced into by some, 1106 00:58:08,876 --> 00:58:10,617 like, vicious skinhead. 1107 00:58:11,444 --> 00:58:14,534 I made my living doing sex parties for several years. 1108 00:58:14,665 --> 00:58:16,797 And for the only difference is that, you know, 1109 00:58:16,928 --> 00:58:19,539 at the sex party, their pants are open. 1110 00:58:21,062 --> 00:58:22,586 It's really the same energy. 1111 00:58:22,716 --> 00:58:24,326 It's so homosexual. 1112 00:58:24,457 --> 00:58:27,460 CBs was mainstream. The Ramones played there, 1113 00:58:27,591 --> 00:58:29,201 Patti Smith played there, 1114 00:58:29,331 --> 00:58:31,508 and the Velvet Mafia played there as well. 1115 00:58:49,743 --> 00:58:55,009 I'm here to sing as best I can. 1116 00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,794 I'm not very good at it. 1117 00:58:56,924 --> 00:59:00,145 But I can bellow, so I guess that's what I'll do tonight. 1118 00:59:00,275 --> 00:59:02,234 He came to me for voice lessons. 1119 00:59:02,364 --> 00:59:05,193 He was very shy and kind of self-effacing. 1120 00:59:05,324 --> 00:59:07,369 He said, "You know, I've been recording and performing, 1121 00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,154 but I don't really sing." 1122 00:59:09,284 --> 00:59:10,808 And meanwhile I listen to the recording, 1123 00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:12,723 I said, "Yes, you're singing. That sounds good. 1124 00:59:12,853 --> 00:59:15,334 You know, you're good actor like, yeah, you're singing." 1125 00:59:33,874 --> 00:59:36,050 He couldn't sing and he knew it. 1126 00:59:36,181 --> 00:59:37,791 So he's just kind of scream out his songs, 1127 00:59:37,922 --> 00:59:40,838 it was sort of rap, sort of not. 1128 00:59:40,968 --> 00:59:42,622 But the lyrics are fantastic. 1129 00:59:42,753 --> 00:59:46,060 The lyrics are from one verse to the next, 1130 00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,323 uh, melodically it resembles, 1131 00:59:48,454 --> 00:59:50,108 but rhythmically, it's a brand new thing. 1132 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:51,979 And then closing, 1133 00:59:52,110 --> 00:59:54,199 it's never like, "Let's sing the chorus and let's ad lib." 1134 00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:56,549 No, he's got a brand new structure 1135 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,159 to keep it new and exciting, 1136 00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,900 and they develop things. And that's why all the songs 1137 01:00:00,031 --> 01:00:01,380 are so fresh. 1138 01:00:04,122 --> 01:00:06,777 ♪ I'll cringe at your touch But I'll take it in the end ♪ 1139 01:00:06,907 --> 01:00:08,256 ♪ Why don't you ♪ 1140 01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:18,963 ♪ And you've got the car but I've got the drive ♪ 1141 01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:27,449 ♪ Every little thing you're Going do for my career ♪ 1142 01:00:30,801 --> 01:00:36,110 ♪ If you want to make it big, You better know how to whore ♪ 1143 01:00:36,241 --> 01:00:38,852 So, and then the chorus. 1144 01:00:47,861 --> 01:00:50,864 I love that verse because it's such a... 1145 01:00:51,604 --> 01:00:55,216 incredible commentary about New York at that time. 1146 01:00:55,347 --> 01:00:56,740 In our band you would think that, 1147 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:59,307 "Oh, he's like this phenomenally 1148 01:00:59,438 --> 01:01:02,180 wild front character," 1149 01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:04,661 but he wasn't an egomaniac. 1150 01:01:05,139 --> 01:01:08,229 And, I can just cry when I think about that 1151 01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:11,537 For such a queen. 1152 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:13,800 He really loved women. 1153 01:01:13,931 --> 01:01:16,803 I'm sorry to all the queens that might feel offended 1154 01:01:16,934 --> 01:01:18,631 by me saying that, but... 1155 01:01:19,284 --> 01:01:21,895 he was one gay man that you didn't have 1156 01:01:22,026 --> 01:01:24,724 to negotiate sexism with. 1157 01:01:25,464 --> 01:01:26,900 And of course, rock bands, traditionally 1158 01:01:27,031 --> 01:01:28,423 it's supposed to be all male, why? 1159 01:01:28,554 --> 01:01:29,903 There's no reason for that. 1160 01:01:30,034 --> 01:01:31,557 Dean just wanted the best musicians 1161 01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:33,690 and the people he got along with in his band. 1162 01:01:36,910 --> 01:01:39,608 One thing about the ACT UP AIDS activism era 1163 01:01:39,739 --> 01:01:41,915 is that the community came together. 1164 01:01:42,481 --> 01:01:44,091 When I walked into my first ACT UP meeting, 1165 01:01:44,222 --> 01:01:47,312 I saw gay men and lesbians and others. 1166 01:01:48,922 --> 01:01:50,837 They were never in the same room together. 1167 01:01:50,968 --> 01:01:53,100 Dean was feeding off that energy and saying, 1168 01:01:53,231 --> 01:01:55,799 "I'm putting them together in a club. We're all queers. 1169 01:01:55,929 --> 01:01:57,626 We're all in the family together," 1170 01:01:57,757 --> 01:01:59,454 and that was a revolutionary thing to do. 1171 01:01:59,585 --> 01:02:02,457 Along with the other revolutionary things he did. 1172 01:02:02,588 --> 01:02:06,026 Ladies and Gentlemen, Ms. Jayne County 1173 01:02:52,551 --> 01:02:53,944 Queer Rock started. 1174 01:02:54,074 --> 01:02:56,511 It was really a response to the AIDS epidemic. 1175 01:02:56,642 --> 01:02:57,904 Just like ACT UP was. 1176 01:02:58,035 --> 01:02:59,993 I mean, the Queer Nation grew out of ACT UP 1177 01:03:00,124 --> 01:03:03,475 and, Queer Rock kind of, like, sprouted up at the same time. 1178 01:03:03,605 --> 01:03:05,129 It had a political agenda. 1179 01:03:05,259 --> 01:03:06,695 Glam rock had no political agenda, 1180 01:03:06,826 --> 01:03:08,349 was all about hedonism, drugs, 1181 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,048 makeup, and, you know, you know, running around 1182 01:03:11,178 --> 01:03:13,224 in cute outfits, you know, 1183 01:03:13,354 --> 01:03:14,965 whereas we were fighting for our lives. 1184 01:03:15,095 --> 01:03:16,662 We're fighting for our rights, you know, 1185 01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:19,926 and we're fighting it to, to change people's minds. 1186 01:03:20,057 --> 01:03:24,888 And, so that if queer rock, if the music isn't doing that, 1187 01:03:25,018 --> 01:03:27,281 then I don't think it really can be defined as queer rock. 1188 01:03:27,412 --> 01:03:30,067 It's got to have a political agenda. 1189 01:03:30,197 --> 01:03:31,895 It's got to be part of the broader movement 1190 01:03:32,025 --> 01:03:33,157 for queer rights. 1191 01:03:38,249 --> 01:03:41,034 In the early aughts, Dean was really starting 1192 01:03:41,165 --> 01:03:45,256 to do some of his big, like, what we might call sex parties 1193 01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:50,609 It wasn't like he was just throwing sex parties. 1194 01:03:50,739 --> 01:03:52,524 He was really trying to create culture in New York, 1195 01:03:52,654 --> 01:03:54,221 which I really respected, 1196 01:03:54,352 --> 01:03:56,223 because I thought that's kind of what I wanted to do. 1197 01:03:56,354 --> 01:03:59,313 That was part of our mission, to put sex out there 1198 01:03:59,444 --> 01:04:01,011 and have a blast. 1199 01:04:01,141 --> 01:04:03,230 It really has sort of changed the face 1200 01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:05,798 of how people throw parties. 1201 01:04:06,451 --> 01:04:08,018 He wanted sex to be visible 1202 01:04:08,148 --> 01:04:10,281 because it was part of gay people's identity, 1203 01:04:10,411 --> 01:04:12,849 and so he wanted to do these things that were sexy, 1204 01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:15,416 and he wanted people to still have sex. 1205 01:04:16,765 --> 01:04:17,766 Lots of it. 1206 01:04:17,897 --> 01:04:20,247 Lots of it. 1207 01:04:20,378 --> 01:04:22,206 We did this party called Magnum, 1208 01:04:22,336 --> 01:04:25,078 where we paid the dancers by the inch, 1209 01:04:25,209 --> 01:04:26,819 We were the only game in town 1210 01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:28,603 because we were the only ones had balls to do it. 1211 01:04:28,734 --> 01:04:33,086 I was really proud of Dean for taking his vision bigger. 1212 01:04:35,219 --> 01:04:36,916 I had a philosophy at the time, 1213 01:04:37,047 --> 01:04:38,526 which was that you want to run the ride, 1214 01:04:38,657 --> 01:04:39,876 you don't want to ride the ride. 1215 01:04:40,006 --> 01:04:41,834 But Dean was fine riding the ride. 1216 01:04:41,965 --> 01:04:44,097 So, I would walk into the room and look 1217 01:04:44,228 --> 01:04:45,751 just to see where he was, 1218 01:04:45,882 --> 01:04:47,187 and I would look through the room, 1219 01:04:47,318 --> 01:04:48,710 and see all these people having sex 1220 01:04:48,841 --> 01:04:50,669 and whatever, and his bald head would pop up 1221 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,453 like a whack a mole, 1222 01:04:52,584 --> 01:04:54,891 and he'd be like, "Hey, did you check the register?" 1223 01:04:55,021 --> 01:04:57,284 It was a space to have lots of sex 1224 01:04:57,415 --> 01:04:58,851 with lots of random people, 1225 01:04:58,982 --> 01:05:00,679 and Dean being among them, you know? 1226 01:05:00,809 --> 01:05:04,509 And I was like, was like, "Oh, Dean," because, you know, 1227 01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:05,640 because the Johnson. 1228 01:05:05,771 --> 01:05:07,991 Apparently he had a huge dick. 1229 01:05:08,121 --> 01:05:10,428 Yeah, I want to talk about his dick for a little bit. 1230 01:05:10,558 --> 01:05:12,125 He had a beautiful dick. 1231 01:05:12,256 --> 01:05:14,345 He really did. It was so beautiful. 1232 01:05:14,475 --> 01:05:16,564 It was, it was a very beautiful penis, I have to tell you. 1233 01:05:16,695 --> 01:05:18,262 And he made bank off that dick. 1234 01:05:18,392 --> 01:05:20,133 I'm sure he made very good money. 1235 01:05:20,264 --> 01:05:22,266 He probably charged by the pound. 1236 01:05:22,396 --> 01:05:24,572 And it didn't look overused. 1237 01:05:24,703 --> 01:05:26,879 Some of us, slutty friends that we have, 1238 01:05:27,010 --> 01:05:29,099 their penises look a little over used. 1239 01:05:29,229 --> 01:05:34,278 I seen the Dean peen quite a bit. 1240 01:05:34,408 --> 01:05:38,064 The size of Dean's penis never came up in conversation. 1241 01:05:38,195 --> 01:05:40,153 I mean, I just kind of assumed 1242 01:05:40,284 --> 01:05:42,373 by looking at him, like, I can do the math. 1243 01:05:42,503 --> 01:05:44,679 Yeah, you can see his bulge through his dress 1244 01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:47,030 whenever he was on stage, which was so great. 1245 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,509 You know, backstage, we had to do it 1246 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,816 at every show, like get his big dick 1247 01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:52,557 shoved in pantyhose. 1248 01:05:52,687 --> 01:05:58,302 And I sometimes I think, like, Dean did that on purpose. 1249 01:05:58,432 --> 01:06:02,132 Like that was some kind of funny thing he did to us. 1250 01:06:02,262 --> 01:06:03,829 Just get me in it. 1251 01:06:04,873 --> 01:06:07,006 It brought us all really close. 1252 01:06:50,136 --> 01:06:53,096 Should I show you my dick and be done with it? 1253 01:06:53,226 --> 01:06:54,793 There you go, baby. 1254 01:06:57,448 --> 01:06:59,406 It was almost a funny part of the whole character 1255 01:06:59,537 --> 01:07:01,974 of Dean Johnson is that many gay men 1256 01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,237 are hypnotized by large penises, 1257 01:07:04,368 --> 01:07:06,587 and the fact that he could be a dork in a dress 1258 01:07:06,718 --> 01:07:08,459 with drop earrings on and still have something 1259 01:07:08,589 --> 01:07:09,982 they wanted. 1260 01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:13,464 2004. 1261 01:07:13,594 --> 01:07:15,944 Dean's last diary entry. 1262 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,512 "Took my sex party earnings 1263 01:07:18,643 --> 01:07:21,602 and recorded 'Cheap But Not Free'. 1264 01:07:21,733 --> 01:07:24,214 The new CD from the Velvet Mafia. 1265 01:07:24,344 --> 01:07:26,520 Best work we've ever done. 1266 01:07:27,086 --> 01:07:29,045 Record company informed us that they wouldn't be 1267 01:07:29,175 --> 01:07:31,569 releasing our CD after all. 1268 01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:35,573 Decided never to waste another minute on record companies. 1269 01:07:35,703 --> 01:07:38,706 A week later, the police raided my sex party 1270 01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:40,795 and now I am unemployed. 1271 01:07:40,926 --> 01:07:42,667 But I did make this great CD. 1272 01:07:42,797 --> 01:07:44,321 So if you want one, 1273 01:07:44,451 --> 01:07:46,018 look for me with the other homeless people 1274 01:07:46,149 --> 01:07:48,455 down on Saint Mark's Place. 1275 01:07:48,586 --> 01:07:51,980 I even managed to turn a good trick last night. 1276 01:07:52,111 --> 01:07:55,854 43 years old and still getting paid for sex. 1277 01:07:55,984 --> 01:07:58,422 Is this a great country or what?" 1278 01:08:00,206 --> 01:08:03,035 Dean threw parties, right? 1279 01:08:03,166 --> 01:08:05,429 Dean was a rock n roller. 1280 01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:07,953 But Dean couldn't make a living. 1281 01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,217 Couldn't earn a living wage without being a hooker. 1282 01:08:11,348 --> 01:08:13,524 Don't we all do some sort of sex work though? 1283 01:08:13,654 --> 01:08:15,961 I mean, sex work is like, whatever, you know, 1284 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:17,397 good for him. 1285 01:08:17,528 --> 01:08:19,051 Get yours, honey. 1286 01:08:19,182 --> 01:08:22,576 I mean, if you got it, flaunt it, sell it, buy it, 1287 01:08:22,707 --> 01:08:24,491 tie it up, do what you gotta do, 1288 01:08:24,622 --> 01:08:26,319 make that thing ching ching. 1289 01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:29,017 He had tried working a 9:00 to 5:00 job 1290 01:08:29,148 --> 01:08:31,194 and he could not do it. He just could not stand it. 1291 01:08:31,324 --> 01:08:33,892 And so I think prostitution really was his only choice 1292 01:08:34,022 --> 01:08:35,589 for making money at that point. 1293 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:36,851 This is what he said, "I used to throw parties, 1294 01:08:36,982 --> 01:08:38,462 but now I am the party." 1295 01:08:39,506 --> 01:08:42,161 This was the early 2000s. 1296 01:08:42,292 --> 01:08:43,728 And, you know, like, New York 1297 01:08:43,858 --> 01:08:46,165 had all sorts of escorting scenes 1298 01:08:46,296 --> 01:08:47,906 for men and for women. 1299 01:08:48,036 --> 01:08:49,821 And he was a late in life escort. 1300 01:08:49,951 --> 01:08:52,389 I had also turned to escorting late in life. 1301 01:08:52,519 --> 01:08:54,956 So we kind of bonded over that common experience 1302 01:08:55,087 --> 01:08:57,524 of being, like, sort of the old bulls 1303 01:08:57,655 --> 01:09:00,527 in the stable full of younger guys. 1304 01:09:01,093 --> 01:09:03,704 He was so excited about this escorting thing 1305 01:09:03,835 --> 01:09:05,228 for a while. 1306 01:09:05,358 --> 01:09:06,707 The money that was coming from that 1307 01:09:06,838 --> 01:09:09,362 was very impressive to him. 1308 01:09:09,493 --> 01:09:13,801 He was getting flown all around to do sex. 1309 01:09:13,932 --> 01:09:16,282 He was like a really high end escort. 1310 01:09:16,413 --> 01:09:18,719 Thousands of dollars in a day or, you know, 1311 01:09:18,850 --> 01:09:21,809 like, you know, $600 an hour. 1312 01:09:21,940 --> 01:09:24,856 Sometimes he would show up at a call 1313 01:09:24,986 --> 01:09:26,510 and the guy would open the door 1314 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,077 and he would say, "Oh my God, you're Dean Johnson," 1315 01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:30,862 and slam the door shut. 1316 01:09:30,992 --> 01:09:33,604 And then sometimes the guy would say, "Oh my God, 1317 01:09:33,734 --> 01:09:36,650 you're Dean Johnson," and welcome him in. 1318 01:09:36,781 --> 01:09:38,522 He really did get emotionally involved 1319 01:09:38,652 --> 01:09:40,306 with a lot of his clients. 1320 01:09:40,437 --> 01:09:43,918 Like, I remember there was this one married dentist 1321 01:09:44,049 --> 01:09:46,921 from Syracuse that he decided that he was in love with. 1322 01:09:47,052 --> 01:09:48,967 I am not that dentist. 1323 01:09:49,924 --> 01:09:52,710 For the record, America. 1324 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,146 It was not me. 1325 01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:57,758 Well, I heard that 1326 01:09:57,889 --> 01:10:02,285 he paid a visit to a member of the Royal Saudi family, 1327 01:10:02,415 --> 01:10:04,112 and when he showed up at the hotel, 1328 01:10:04,243 --> 01:10:06,637 there were two armed guards with machine guns 1329 01:10:06,767 --> 01:10:12,904 standing in front of the royal family member's door. 1330 01:10:13,034 --> 01:10:16,081 I think a lot of the clients that Dean had as a sex worker 1331 01:10:16,212 --> 01:10:18,388 was just paying him just to be around him. 1332 01:10:24,872 --> 01:10:27,919 So, in this place where sex workers are disposable 1333 01:10:28,049 --> 01:10:29,747 and murderable, 1334 01:10:29,877 --> 01:10:35,666 and, uh, at best condemned, right? 1335 01:10:35,796 --> 01:10:39,583 Here was Dean, so visible 1336 01:10:39,713 --> 01:10:44,022 and huge in his joy 1337 01:10:44,152 --> 01:10:46,807 of being like, "Here's my body. 1338 01:10:46,938 --> 01:10:50,463 It is like a holy service, that I'm offering." 1339 01:10:50,594 --> 01:10:52,813 And that's how he walked with it. 1340 01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:56,339 He was like, kind of right on, "I'm a sex worker. 1341 01:10:56,469 --> 01:10:59,559 I'm 40 something years old and I can still do it." 1342 01:10:59,690 --> 01:11:01,518 He was a six-foot-six bald guy 1343 01:11:01,648 --> 01:11:03,955 in his mid-40s, who, by all accounts, 1344 01:11:04,085 --> 01:11:06,871 was doing pretty good business and more power to him. 1345 01:11:07,001 --> 01:11:08,786 I mean, he was a rebel. 1346 01:11:08,916 --> 01:11:10,222 He was subversive. 1347 01:11:10,353 --> 01:11:13,225 He did have a very defiant punk attitude 1348 01:11:13,356 --> 01:11:17,316 about it, but it also was kind of a comment on ageism. 1349 01:11:17,447 --> 01:11:19,927 He would start telling his hustler tales. 1350 01:11:20,058 --> 01:11:21,494 He would say Dean Johnson's Hustler Tales 1351 01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:22,843 today on Myspace. 1352 01:11:24,889 --> 01:11:26,586 This piece 1353 01:11:26,717 --> 01:11:29,459 is called Cocksucker... Otherwise Engaged. 1354 01:11:31,417 --> 01:11:33,027 Reading for Filth was 1355 01:11:33,158 --> 01:11:36,422 this salon that he threw at the bookstore Rapture. 1356 01:11:36,553 --> 01:11:39,207 He'd like to bring together, high and low, 1357 01:11:39,338 --> 01:11:40,731 downtown celebrities. 1358 01:11:40,861 --> 01:11:42,385 And then somebody like me, 1359 01:11:42,515 --> 01:11:45,301 like his, his hooker friend from down the street. 1360 01:11:45,431 --> 01:11:48,260 "And then I hear the bing of the instant message bell 1361 01:11:48,391 --> 01:11:50,654 and I go over and it reads, 1362 01:11:50,784 --> 01:11:53,570 '26 five foot ten, 165. 1363 01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:56,964 Very good looking, straight, engaged and meeting 1364 01:11:57,095 --> 01:11:59,227 my fiancée in the city, 1365 01:11:59,358 --> 01:12:01,665 been obsessing over big dick all day. 1366 01:12:01,795 --> 01:12:03,797 Need to suck horse cock so bad 1367 01:12:03,928 --> 01:12:05,190 No reciprocation. 1368 01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:07,671 You just sit back in your favorite chair. 1369 01:12:07,801 --> 01:12:09,890 Let me eat your load before I meet my girlfriend. 1370 01:12:10,021 --> 01:12:11,675 I'm going crazy for dick here.'" 1371 01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:15,635 He was doing readings, 1372 01:12:15,766 --> 01:12:17,507 uh, more so. 1373 01:12:17,637 --> 01:12:20,597 And his writing was becoming more and more important to him. 1374 01:12:20,727 --> 01:12:22,381 And he was willing to drive in from Jersey, 1375 01:12:22,512 --> 01:12:23,730 so I didn't have to get out of bed 1376 01:12:23,861 --> 01:12:25,384 you know, 1377 01:12:25,515 --> 01:12:27,386 20 minutes later, this guy, 1378 01:12:27,517 --> 01:12:31,999 this dude this like Mets fan, you know, walks in. 1379 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:33,827 He's a great writer, you know? 1380 01:12:33,958 --> 01:12:35,916 And the stories were so much fun. 1381 01:12:36,047 --> 01:12:38,963 But, you know, even with my dick in his mouth, 1382 01:12:39,093 --> 01:12:41,618 I wasn't really getting a gay vibe. 1383 01:12:41,748 --> 01:12:42,619 You know? 1384 01:12:44,621 --> 01:12:46,405 That was what was really exciting about Dean. 1385 01:12:46,536 --> 01:12:49,887 I'm not saying Dean didn't feel shame, but that shame 1386 01:12:50,017 --> 01:12:52,063 was getting channeled, 1387 01:12:52,193 --> 01:12:54,979 uh, into art. 1388 01:12:57,982 --> 01:13:01,420 Survival is survival. 1389 01:13:01,551 --> 01:13:06,120 The fact that we have sex work as a tool to survive 1390 01:13:06,251 --> 01:13:08,384 should never be shunned against. 1391 01:13:09,863 --> 01:13:12,388 Sex workers have been around forever, 1392 01:13:12,518 --> 01:13:16,130 but until the politicians start getting caught, 1393 01:13:16,261 --> 01:13:18,829 people actually gave a damn. 1394 01:13:19,873 --> 01:13:21,440 We are therapists. 1395 01:13:21,571 --> 01:13:24,008 We are doctors. We are psychologists. 1396 01:13:24,138 --> 01:13:25,444 We're a nannies. 1397 01:13:25,575 --> 01:13:27,403 We are nannies to your punk ass men. 1398 01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:29,187 We are nannies to, 1399 01:13:29,317 --> 01:13:31,494 uh, just so much. 1400 01:13:33,234 --> 01:13:35,236 Anywhere in the world where people are having 1401 01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:37,674 to sell sex to survive, 1402 01:13:37,804 --> 01:13:40,590 it needs to be better plans for protection. 1403 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,288 Because we're not doing this for kicks. 1404 01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:45,116 It's survival. 1405 01:13:45,246 --> 01:13:47,248 It's self-autonomy. 1406 01:13:49,294 --> 01:13:51,078 Dean was very honest with me 1407 01:13:51,209 --> 01:13:52,558 about being a prostitute. He told me everything. 1408 01:13:52,689 --> 01:13:53,820 He always told me when he leave town, 1409 01:13:53,951 --> 01:13:54,778 whether through email or on the phone, 1410 01:13:54,908 --> 01:13:56,301 we talked almost every day 1411 01:13:57,563 --> 01:13:59,826 because of his size. I really wasn't worried about him. 1412 01:13:59,957 --> 01:14:01,785 I figured he could handle anybody. 1413 01:14:01,915 --> 01:14:03,308 I mean, if someone tried to not pay him, 1414 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,266 he was going to get his money, you know? 1415 01:14:05,397 --> 01:14:08,008 Are there dangerous situations for male sex workers? 1416 01:14:08,139 --> 01:14:11,011 Of course. You know, you're potentially showing up 1417 01:14:11,142 --> 01:14:13,579 somewhere, you can't be in full control 1418 01:14:13,710 --> 01:14:15,276 of the circumstances. 1419 01:14:19,324 --> 01:14:23,676 So the phone rings and, 1420 01:14:23,807 --> 01:14:25,417 it's someone on the other end asking me 1421 01:14:25,548 --> 01:14:27,245 if I know Dean Johnson. 1422 01:14:27,375 --> 01:14:29,900 And I say, "Yeah, what's... what's up?" 1423 01:14:30,988 --> 01:14:32,772 And they're like, "Well, you know, he's here. 1424 01:14:32,903 --> 01:14:34,687 He spent the night 1425 01:14:34,818 --> 01:14:36,341 and I can't wake him up." 1426 01:14:37,951 --> 01:14:40,780 And I'm like, "Well, then you need to hang up 1427 01:14:40,911 --> 01:14:45,002 this phone and call 911. 1428 01:14:45,132 --> 01:14:46,438 That's what you should do 1429 01:14:46,569 --> 01:14:48,135 if you if you really can't wake him up." 1430 01:14:48,266 --> 01:14:49,267 He's like, "Oh, I'm a little nervous about it 1431 01:14:49,397 --> 01:14:50,921 because I had an incident here 1432 01:14:51,051 --> 01:14:54,620 a week ago," and I'm like, "Well, regardless, hang up 1433 01:14:54,751 --> 01:14:58,189 and you just go get him some help and I'll call back." 1434 01:14:58,319 --> 01:14:59,669 And so that's what I did. 1435 01:14:59,799 --> 01:15:00,887 I hung up. 1436 01:15:09,113 --> 01:15:10,810 I waited like five minutes, 1437 01:15:10,941 --> 01:15:15,598 which seemed like forever, and called back and he answers, 1438 01:15:15,728 --> 01:15:18,862 and mind you this, it's Dean's phone calling me, 1439 01:15:18,992 --> 01:15:21,168 so I don't know who this is. 1440 01:15:21,299 --> 01:15:23,301 They don't tell me who they are. 1441 01:15:23,431 --> 01:15:28,393 But he answers and I say, "Hey, what's going on? 1442 01:15:28,524 --> 01:15:30,700 Did you call?" You know, "is he okay?" 1443 01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:32,528 And he's like, "Yeah, he's okay. 1444 01:15:32,658 --> 01:15:35,748 We're just wiping his face off with a washcloth." 1445 01:15:36,357 --> 01:15:39,796 And I said, "All right, well, 1446 01:15:40,797 --> 01:15:45,628 if he's not okay, you'll, you know, call 911, or whatever," 1447 01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:48,674 And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." 1448 01:15:49,327 --> 01:15:51,677 And I, 1449 01:15:51,808 --> 01:15:56,073 uh, I felt weird about it. 1450 01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:59,163 It was just too bizarre a situation. 1451 01:15:59,293 --> 01:16:02,296 So I started to call hospitals 1452 01:16:02,427 --> 01:16:05,343 to call the police, 1453 01:16:05,473 --> 01:16:07,737 and nothing, I don't hear back. 1454 01:16:10,478 --> 01:16:14,047 And then he doesn't come to band practice, 1455 01:16:14,178 --> 01:16:18,051 and everybody starts to get nervous at that point. 1456 01:16:23,491 --> 01:16:27,495 I remember people were gathered outside the rehearsal studio, 1457 01:16:27,626 --> 01:16:30,890 and I came down because it's right across the street. 1458 01:16:31,021 --> 01:16:34,590 And that's when we all started putting timelines together. 1459 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,418 When did you last hear from Dean? 1460 01:16:37,549 --> 01:16:39,420 The phone rang and it was one of Dean's friends 1461 01:16:39,551 --> 01:16:41,379 telling me that he had not come back from D.C. 1462 01:16:41,509 --> 01:16:42,554 and he had missed a band rehearsal, 1463 01:16:42,685 --> 01:16:43,990 which he never would do. 1464 01:16:44,121 --> 01:16:46,123 And so could I call D.C. and try to find out, 1465 01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:47,603 you know, what had happened. 1466 01:16:49,866 --> 01:16:51,215 A female cop came on 1467 01:16:51,345 --> 01:16:53,347 and I said, "Hi, I'm looking for information 1468 01:16:53,478 --> 01:16:54,740 about my brother, Dean Johnson." 1469 01:16:54,871 --> 01:16:56,394 You know, "do you know anything?" 1470 01:16:56,524 --> 01:16:58,091 And she said, this is still an active crime scene. 1471 01:16:58,222 --> 01:17:00,137 I can't tell you anything. 1472 01:17:00,267 --> 01:17:02,095 And I was like, "An active crime scene?" 1473 01:17:02,226 --> 01:17:04,315 you know, I'm like, 1474 01:17:04,445 --> 01:17:06,534 "Can you just tell me if he's alive?" 1475 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,972 And she said, "I'm really sorry. 1476 01:17:09,102 --> 01:17:10,756 I can't tell you anything. 1477 01:17:10,887 --> 01:17:12,236 I'm going to give you my home phone number. 1478 01:17:12,366 --> 01:17:15,108 And if you need anything, call me." 1479 01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,458 So, I sat around waiting until midnight, 1480 01:17:17,589 --> 01:17:20,157 and then the phone rang and I picked up the phone. 1481 01:17:20,287 --> 01:17:21,375 He said, "All right, I got your brother's 1482 01:17:21,506 --> 01:17:24,161 autopsy report." 1483 01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,685 I don't really remember what happened after that. 1484 01:17:26,816 --> 01:17:28,208 My girlfriend said I dropped the phone 1485 01:17:28,339 --> 01:17:30,297 and started making this wailing noise. 1486 01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:35,738 D.C. police will say only that Johnson's body 1487 01:17:35,868 --> 01:17:37,696 was found at 10:00 a.m., September 20th, 1488 01:17:37,827 --> 01:17:39,785 in a second floor apartment at the Envoy 1489 01:17:39,916 --> 01:17:41,352 on 16th Street northwest, 1490 01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:43,267 and that the discovery is the subject 1491 01:17:43,397 --> 01:17:45,965 of a death investigation. 1492 01:17:46,096 --> 01:17:48,576 I had access to Dean's email account 1493 01:17:48,707 --> 01:17:51,579 because at some point he had asked me to do a favor for him. 1494 01:17:51,710 --> 01:17:55,496 So a lot of what I know about Steve Saleh comes directly 1495 01:17:55,627 --> 01:17:58,021 from their correspondence, 1496 01:18:00,763 --> 01:18:02,112 Steve's initial contact 1497 01:18:02,242 --> 01:18:06,290 with Dean was for an S&M call. 1498 01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:08,205 So Dean went on a call with him 1499 01:18:08,335 --> 01:18:11,904 and they got along and they kind of became fast friends. 1500 01:18:12,035 --> 01:18:13,776 Like I was saying, Dean became emotionally 1501 01:18:13,906 --> 01:18:16,779 involved with his client. 1502 01:18:16,909 --> 01:18:19,259 I remember Dean telling me that this man 1503 01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:23,046 had a whole pharmacy in his bathroom, 1504 01:18:23,176 --> 01:18:25,135 like dozens of bottles of pills, 1505 01:18:25,265 --> 01:18:27,615 and the dosages were all different. 1506 01:18:27,746 --> 01:18:29,269 News 4 has learned, 1507 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,055 amazingly, another man had been found dead 1508 01:18:32,185 --> 01:18:33,709 in the same apartment unit 1509 01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:36,450 four days before Dean Johnson died. 1510 01:18:36,973 --> 01:18:40,193 Then, of course, as soon as I heard about the other guy, 1511 01:18:40,324 --> 01:18:45,068 then you knew, "Okay, this is like, super weird." 1512 01:18:45,198 --> 01:18:46,852 Dean got a phone call, 1513 01:18:46,983 --> 01:18:49,942 and Steve described the death of this young man 1514 01:18:50,073 --> 01:18:53,511 in his apartment and his accidental overdose 1515 01:18:53,641 --> 01:18:55,121 on these pain pills. 1516 01:18:56,688 --> 01:18:58,385 He was horrified that this has happened, 1517 01:18:58,516 --> 01:19:00,344 and he was very emotional. "Oh, my God, this guy 1518 01:19:00,474 --> 01:19:02,694 died in my apartment, he took my drugs," 1519 01:19:02,825 --> 01:19:05,828 and Dean agreed to go down to see him. 1520 01:19:05,958 --> 01:19:09,527 Not on a professional call, but out of friendship to, like, 1521 01:19:09,657 --> 01:19:12,965 comfort him and spend some time with him. 1522 01:19:13,096 --> 01:19:15,446 According to a police affidavit, 1523 01:19:15,576 --> 01:19:17,230 the man who rents that apartment 1524 01:19:17,361 --> 01:19:20,016 is identified as Stephen Saleh. 1525 01:19:20,625 --> 01:19:23,541 They say he's cooperating with investigators 1526 01:19:23,671 --> 01:19:25,891 and that he told police he invited the two men 1527 01:19:26,022 --> 01:19:27,414 to his home. 1528 01:19:27,545 --> 01:19:29,416 He told police he gave one of the men 1529 01:19:29,547 --> 01:19:31,375 some medicine. 1530 01:19:31,505 --> 01:19:33,769 Mr. Saleh, who is said to be disabled, 1531 01:19:33,899 --> 01:19:36,684 told one of the investigators, quote, 1532 01:19:36,815 --> 01:19:39,165 "What is the media going to call me? 1533 01:19:39,296 --> 01:19:40,906 The gimp Black Widow?" 1534 01:19:44,214 --> 01:19:45,432 As I started to report the story, 1535 01:19:45,563 --> 01:19:47,957 I just looked at the information 1536 01:19:48,087 --> 01:19:51,395 we had around the person whose apartment Dean died in. 1537 01:19:52,483 --> 01:19:54,006 two deaths in his apartment. 1538 01:19:54,137 --> 01:19:56,487 He didn't even call the police right away. 1539 01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:58,402 He called a friend of Dean's. 1540 01:19:58,532 --> 01:20:02,710 What exactly did he give Dean or did Dean take willingly? 1541 01:20:03,537 --> 01:20:05,322 When they took his body out of Steven Saleh's 1542 01:20:05,452 --> 01:20:06,932 apartment, he was naked. 1543 01:20:07,063 --> 01:20:09,761 Except for his Pentagram necklace. 1544 01:20:09,892 --> 01:20:11,197 I never got the story from the police 1545 01:20:11,328 --> 01:20:12,546 exactly how that went down. 1546 01:20:12,677 --> 01:20:14,418 But what I hear is that Steven Saleh 1547 01:20:14,548 --> 01:20:16,072 pretended to not know who he was, 1548 01:20:16,202 --> 01:20:18,378 that he was just some prostitute he had picked up. 1549 01:20:18,509 --> 01:20:19,640 That was not the truth. 1550 01:20:19,771 --> 01:20:21,338 He knew exactly who he was. 1551 01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,122 He paid for his train ticket to go there, 1552 01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:24,820 and Dean would have had to have I.D. on him 1553 01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:26,299 to take the train. 1554 01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:28,432 And so either Steven hid all his stuff 1555 01:20:28,562 --> 01:20:30,042 to pretend he didn't know who he was 1556 01:20:30,173 --> 01:20:31,914 or kept it, 1557 01:20:32,044 --> 01:20:33,567 but his necklace was the only thing 1558 01:20:33,698 --> 01:20:35,613 I got back from that trip. 1559 01:20:38,746 --> 01:20:42,228 First of all, Dean was very experienced 1560 01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:46,189 as a prostitute, and he'd gotten clean. 1561 01:20:46,711 --> 01:20:48,974 So as I started to hear the elements, 1562 01:20:49,105 --> 01:20:51,281 I was like, "No, this is not possible." 1563 01:20:51,411 --> 01:20:54,632 How the police could let this guy get away 1564 01:20:54,762 --> 01:20:58,941 with two deaths with exactly the same M.O.? 1565 01:21:00,681 --> 01:21:04,511 And then him lying 1566 01:21:04,642 --> 01:21:08,341 in a morgue as a John Doe? 1567 01:21:09,081 --> 01:21:13,346 We come to find out later that it was the calls 1568 01:21:13,477 --> 01:21:16,001 looking for him that identified him. 1569 01:21:16,828 --> 01:21:19,700 And he had been dead 1570 01:21:19,831 --> 01:21:23,052 probably before I got the phone call. 1571 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,577 The next morning, a detective called me. 1572 01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:28,274 He said, "Don't talk to the press 1573 01:21:28,405 --> 01:21:30,102 or you're going to screw up our investigation. 1574 01:21:30,233 --> 01:21:32,888 I'm looking everywhere else that Steven has lived. 1575 01:21:33,018 --> 01:21:34,802 I'd really like to get this guy, you know. 1576 01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:36,630 So I need your cooperation." 1577 01:21:38,937 --> 01:21:41,113 He had been calling me, like, every week. 1578 01:21:41,244 --> 01:21:42,767 At the end of eight months, he stopped calling me, 1579 01:21:42,898 --> 01:21:45,465 and I started calling him, 1580 01:21:45,596 --> 01:21:47,076 and said, "If you don't call me back, 1581 01:21:47,206 --> 01:21:48,947 I'm going to start talking to the press." 1582 01:21:49,078 --> 01:21:51,036 So I got a phone call back from him with their captain, 1583 01:21:51,167 --> 01:21:52,342 I guess, and they were like, 1584 01:21:52,472 --> 01:21:53,604 "We're dropping the investigation. 1585 01:21:53,734 --> 01:21:55,084 Nothing's going to happen. 1586 01:21:55,214 --> 01:21:56,955 And I'm like, "Qhat are you talking about?" 1587 01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:58,348 The guy at the very least shared his prescription drugs 1588 01:21:58,478 --> 01:22:00,263 with Dean, that's got to be a crime. 1589 01:22:00,393 --> 01:22:01,351 And they were like, "Well, we don't know about your state, 1590 01:22:01,481 --> 01:22:02,961 but it's not here." 1591 01:22:03,919 --> 01:22:06,443 I felt, you know, I have no proof, but I felt like 1592 01:22:06,573 --> 01:22:08,619 somebody had told them to drop it. 1593 01:22:26,767 --> 01:22:30,162 We were all such stellar chemists 1594 01:22:30,293 --> 01:22:33,774 that I don't think that could have happened 1595 01:22:33,905 --> 01:22:36,995 unless he was slip something. 1596 01:22:37,126 --> 01:22:41,173 ♪ I had to kiss my baby goodbye ♪ 1597 01:22:41,304 --> 01:22:43,393 I believe that Dean would take the drugs voluntarily, 1598 01:22:43,523 --> 01:22:45,221 you know, but because of the situation, 1599 01:22:45,351 --> 01:22:47,658 I'll never know whether Steven slipped them the drugs. 1600 01:22:47,788 --> 01:22:49,703 and it killed him because he was already on drugs. 1601 01:22:49,834 --> 01:22:51,618 That was enough to push him over the edge. 1602 01:22:51,749 --> 01:22:53,229 I'll never know what happened exactly. 1603 01:22:53,359 --> 01:22:55,753 Only one person knows, and he's not talking. 1604 01:22:58,103 --> 01:23:00,410 I don't think the D.C. police 1605 01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:04,283 have a sterling reputation when it comes to handling 1606 01:23:04,414 --> 01:23:07,547 issues around, like, gay people, queer people, 1607 01:23:07,678 --> 01:23:09,854 or sex work. 1608 01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:11,987 Would the police have treated it differently 1609 01:23:12,117 --> 01:23:15,294 if he wasn't a gay prostitute? Probably. 1610 01:23:15,425 --> 01:23:17,644 When it comes to whores, 1611 01:23:17,775 --> 01:23:19,777 when it comes to gay people, 1612 01:23:20,908 --> 01:23:24,303 it's not going to be investigated in the same way. 1613 01:23:24,434 --> 01:23:27,524 I think if you're looking for fishiness, 1614 01:23:27,654 --> 01:23:29,004 fishiness is there. 1615 01:23:29,134 --> 01:23:31,049 Fishiness is all over this, you know. 1616 01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:34,487 Criminality? I'm not sure. 1617 01:23:34,618 --> 01:23:36,446 There wasn't like a real investigation. 1618 01:23:36,576 --> 01:23:40,667 And, and that is this world. 1619 01:23:40,798 --> 01:23:43,235 That is this broken, broken world. 1620 01:23:44,062 --> 01:23:46,499 It is like a worst nightmare scenario. 1621 01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:48,414 And the last thing you want to ever have happen 1622 01:23:48,545 --> 01:23:50,068 to your friend. 1623 01:23:54,507 --> 01:23:57,119 Well, right now it's somebody else's turn. 1624 01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:03,647 I passed my rite of initiation. 1625 01:24:06,519 --> 01:24:08,869 His death hit me, obviously, 1626 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,784 it hit me really hard. 1627 01:24:10,915 --> 01:24:13,439 Harder than, than I thought it would 1628 01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:14,962 because it kept lingering. 1629 01:24:15,093 --> 01:24:17,356 You know, there's not... 1630 01:24:17,487 --> 01:24:19,532 When you grow up with someone, 1631 01:24:20,142 --> 01:24:23,058 there's not a part of your life that they weren't a part of. 1632 01:24:25,016 --> 01:24:27,845 No matter what, he was a survivor 1633 01:24:27,975 --> 01:24:31,544 living all those years with HIV. 1634 01:24:31,675 --> 01:24:34,199 He was able to punish his body the way he did 1635 01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:36,767 and yet come right back up from the mat. 1636 01:24:39,726 --> 01:24:42,294 And I think that was also the shock 1637 01:24:42,425 --> 01:24:45,123 of finding out he left us. 1638 01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,952 There are certain people you always think, you know, 1639 01:24:48,083 --> 01:24:50,824 "It's bad, but they'll come back," you know, 1640 01:24:50,955 --> 01:24:53,740 because they do all the time 1641 01:24:53,871 --> 01:24:55,264 until they don't. 1642 01:24:56,961 --> 01:25:01,096 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1643 01:25:01,226 --> 01:25:05,839 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1644 01:25:05,970 --> 01:25:10,279 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1645 01:25:16,067 --> 01:25:17,460 Young people, I'll tell you right now, 1646 01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:19,853 you're standing on his shoulders. 1647 01:25:19,984 --> 01:25:23,466 It really was a death of a lot of the New York nightlife 1648 01:25:23,596 --> 01:25:25,424 that we know. 1649 01:25:25,555 --> 01:25:27,078 There are parties and stuff now, 1650 01:25:27,209 --> 01:25:30,777 but with Dean it was more of a spectacle. 1651 01:25:30,908 --> 01:25:33,302 It really was a three-ring circus. 1652 01:25:34,129 --> 01:25:38,176 It did feel like the end of an era, in a way, losing Dean, 1653 01:25:38,307 --> 01:25:40,222 you know, he was part of this renaissance 1654 01:25:40,352 --> 01:25:42,180 of the East Village, 1655 01:25:42,311 --> 01:25:44,835 and we lost our, you know, our king. 1656 01:26:09,294 --> 01:26:11,253 I had to get a gravestone for him. 1657 01:26:14,908 --> 01:26:16,606 It's in a little family plot in Maine. 1658 01:26:16,736 --> 01:26:18,260 Right behind my mom. 1659 01:26:22,786 --> 01:26:24,004 So, of course, everybody wanted me to put "Fuck You" 1660 01:26:24,135 --> 01:26:25,484 on it. 1661 01:26:28,313 --> 01:26:30,185 Which I think would have been great, 1662 01:26:30,315 --> 01:26:31,447 but in this little family plot, you know, so I put, 1663 01:26:31,577 --> 01:26:33,579 "He gave a voice to the voiceless." 1664 01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:37,496 Because I feel like he did. 1665 01:26:41,674 --> 01:26:43,546 If you knew Dean, you knew that, like, 1666 01:26:43,676 --> 01:26:45,765 there was very little time that you were with him, 1667 01:26:45,896 --> 01:26:49,160 that you didn't just melt into a human with him. 1668 01:26:49,291 --> 01:26:50,640 That's the thing about him. 1669 01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:53,033 He just undid you. 1670 01:26:53,164 --> 01:26:55,384 He will always have a place in our history. 1671 01:26:55,514 --> 01:26:57,734 As somebody who showed the world 1672 01:26:57,864 --> 01:26:59,953 that you can have a good time 1673 01:27:00,084 --> 01:27:02,521 and you can be out of your mind. 1674 01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:05,132 You can be strange, you can be an alien creature, 1675 01:27:05,263 --> 01:27:07,657 and you can live the fantasy, man. 1676 01:27:07,787 --> 01:27:09,702 Express yourself however the hell you want to. 1677 01:27:09,833 --> 01:27:12,662 Play the game on your own terms. 1678 01:27:13,271 --> 01:27:15,491 He couldn't have been in New York at a better time 1679 01:27:15,621 --> 01:27:17,493 for a person like him to take over, 1680 01:27:17,623 --> 01:27:20,017 and so if there is any poetry to his life, 1681 01:27:20,147 --> 01:27:23,629 I think he was on the planet at exactly the right moment 1682 01:27:24,413 --> 01:27:27,067 Underneath all of this outrageousness. 1683 01:27:27,198 --> 01:27:28,765 And just like this, like, flamboyance 1684 01:27:28,895 --> 01:27:30,157 and also this sort of confidence 1685 01:27:30,288 --> 01:27:31,811 and everything, there was just 1686 01:27:31,942 --> 01:27:34,031 he had this like deep desire, like all the rest of us, 1687 01:27:34,161 --> 01:27:35,772 just to be loved. 1688 01:27:35,902 --> 01:27:37,252 Just like he never stopped trying to believe that. 1689 01:27:37,382 --> 01:27:38,862 Like he could find that true love. 1690 01:27:38,992 --> 01:27:40,733 And I think it led him down these pathways 1691 01:27:40,864 --> 01:27:42,126 that just weren't, 1692 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:43,345 he wasn't seeing clearly. 1693 01:27:46,348 --> 01:27:49,568 ♪ I'll find myself a lover Who is old and fat ♪ 1694 01:27:49,699 --> 01:27:51,527 ♪ And they'll all Tell my lover ♪ 1695 01:27:51,657 --> 01:27:53,746 ♪ Hey, your boyfriend Is all that! ♪ 1696 01:27:53,877 --> 01:27:55,922 ♪ You're a heavenly body ♪ 1697 01:27:56,053 --> 01:27:58,403 ♪ And your face Is like a dream ♪ 1698 01:27:58,534 --> 01:28:01,188 ♪ But loving you Is damaging my sense ♪ 1699 01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:03,016 ♪ Of self-esteem ♪ 1700 01:28:03,147 --> 01:28:06,019 He took some risks, so that I could take some risks. 1701 01:28:06,150 --> 01:28:07,847 And then I'm taking risks, so these other queens 1702 01:28:07,978 --> 01:28:09,414 can take risks. 1703 01:28:09,545 --> 01:28:11,024 Way back when, like Stonewall, 1704 01:28:11,155 --> 01:28:12,809 when people first busted through that wall, 1705 01:28:12,939 --> 01:28:15,551 they got all cut up and it was really fucking hard 1706 01:28:15,681 --> 01:28:16,987 getting through that wall 1707 01:28:17,117 --> 01:28:18,771 because it was such a solid wall. 1708 01:28:18,902 --> 01:28:20,512 And then people started squeezing through after that, 1709 01:28:20,643 --> 01:28:22,209 and it wasn't quite as hard, 1710 01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:24,168 you know, you got cut up, but not as badly. 1711 01:28:24,299 --> 01:28:27,432 So it's just really important to keep that history alive, 1712 01:28:27,563 --> 01:28:29,869 you know, so that wall doesn't go back up. 1713 01:28:31,393 --> 01:28:33,960 You could say he wore a dress 1714 01:28:34,091 --> 01:28:38,095 or he was HIV positive, 1715 01:28:38,225 --> 01:28:41,838 or he was a rock n roll singer. 1716 01:28:42,317 --> 01:28:45,711 But none of those things really explain what he was doing. 1717 01:28:45,842 --> 01:28:47,800 It was, 1718 01:28:47,931 --> 01:28:49,802 he was like, uh, 1719 01:28:50,455 --> 01:28:52,718 like he was just throwing a party, 1720 01:28:52,849 --> 01:28:55,155 and he was, like, inviting everybody 1721 01:28:55,286 --> 01:28:56,635 to join it. 1722 01:28:58,333 --> 01:29:01,466 The real Big Johnson was his heart. 1723 01:29:14,218 --> 01:29:18,527 Dean Johnson was a downtown legend. 1724 01:29:18,657 --> 01:29:20,616 A queer core, glam, punk 1725 01:29:20,746 --> 01:29:22,226 drag queen, party king, 1726 01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:23,749 porn performer, 1727 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,231 and hustler on drama-therapy reenactmenting. 1728 01:29:30,887 --> 01:29:32,541 We are here to celebrate 1729 01:29:32,671 --> 01:29:34,020 Dean Johnson. 1730 01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:41,332 We are to show our love and respect. 1731 01:29:41,463 --> 01:29:44,988 ♪ You make me feel Like Coco Chanel ♪ 1732 01:29:45,118 --> 01:29:47,643 ♪ But loving you I know I'm going through hell ♪ 1733 01:30:01,874 --> 01:30:06,923 ♪ Coco Chanel ♪ 1734 01:30:08,577 --> 01:30:10,753 ♪ Oh ♪ 1735 01:30:10,883 --> 01:30:14,104 ♪ You make me feel Like Tammy Faye ♪ 1736 01:30:14,234 --> 01:30:17,368 ♪ Praying to God that You won't go away ♪ 1737 01:30:17,499 --> 01:30:21,807 ♪ And now I'm addicted To Mary K ♪ 1738 01:30:21,938 --> 01:30:25,202 ♪ You make me feel Like Tammy Faye ♪ 1739 01:30:25,332 --> 01:30:31,164 ♪ Tammy Faye ♪ 1740 01:30:31,295 --> 01:30:32,905 ♪ Tammy Faye ♪ 1741 01:30:33,036 --> 01:30:39,999 ♪ Tammy Faye ♪ 1742 01:30:40,130 --> 01:30:43,307 ♪ You make me feel Like Hillary ♪ 1743 01:30:43,438 --> 01:30:44,830 ♪ Now all of my friends ♪ 1744 01:30:47,224 --> 01:30:50,967 ♪ Letting you treat me Shallowly ♪ 1745 01:30:51,097 --> 01:30:55,188 ♪ You make me feel Like Hillary ♪ 1746 01:30:55,319 --> 01:31:01,194 ♪ Hillary ♪ 1747 01:31:01,325 --> 01:31:02,848 ♪ You make me feel ♪ 1748 01:31:02,979 --> 01:31:08,550 ♪ Hillary ♪ 1749 01:31:16,253 --> 01:31:18,603 I think I respect Dean's sweet spots. 1750 01:31:21,214 --> 01:31:25,523 And I think we made out. 1751 01:31:25,654 --> 01:31:27,830 Yeah, I remember, "When are we gonna fuck?" 1752 01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:30,180 It was really sad. 1753 01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:31,181 Please put your hands together 1754 01:31:31,311 --> 01:31:32,748 for master illusionist 1755 01:31:32,878 --> 01:31:36,055 Chunky Jones! 1756 01:31:36,186 --> 01:31:38,014 Hi, everyone, I'm Chunky Jones. 1757 01:31:38,144 --> 01:31:39,624 Welcome to the show. 1758 01:31:40,799 --> 01:31:42,366 And tell me what's inside. 1759 01:31:42,497 --> 01:31:44,803 Licorice and a syringe. 1760 01:31:44,934 --> 01:31:46,849 Licorice and a syringe? 1761 01:31:46,979 --> 01:31:48,894 Mom, is that you? 1762 01:31:54,204 --> 01:31:57,120 ♪ You make me feel Like Happy Lee ♪ 1763 01:31:57,250 --> 01:32:00,471 ♪ I was a parrot Full of dignity ♪ 1764 01:32:00,602 --> 01:32:04,388 ♪ Until you came along And made a fool out of me ♪ 1765 01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:08,218 ♪ You make me feel Like Happy Lee ♪ 1766 01:32:08,348 --> 01:32:11,961 ♪ You make me feel Like Mary Jo ♪ 1767 01:32:12,091 --> 01:32:15,921 ♪ You are such a heel And I'm the last to know ♪ 1768 01:32:16,052 --> 01:32:19,229 ♪ I wanna leave you But I can't let go ♪ 1769 01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:22,362 ♪ You make me feel Like Mary Jo ♪ 1770 01:32:22,493 --> 01:32:23,799 ♪ You make me feel like... ♪ 1771 01:32:23,929 --> 01:32:25,583 Jackie, come here and stand judgement. 1772 01:32:25,714 --> 01:32:27,803 Dean Johnson... 1773 01:32:27,933 --> 01:32:30,153 Harry Smith. 1774 01:32:30,283 --> 01:32:31,937 They took it on themselves. 1775 01:32:32,068 --> 01:32:33,896 They took it on themselves. 1776 01:32:34,026 --> 01:32:36,115 They took it on the, they took it on the, 1777 01:32:36,246 --> 01:32:37,943 took it on themselves. 1778 01:32:45,211 --> 01:32:47,518 Please, welcome to the stage. 1779 01:32:47,649 --> 01:32:48,824 The Weenies. 1780 01:34:48,073 --> 01:34:50,902 I know how to handle an audience, honey. 1781 01:34:51,033 --> 01:34:52,251 I had one in my bed last night. 134541

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