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That I've been
Puzzling over for halfmy Iife.
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Fifty yea rs ago, I ca me here
to the isla nd of Madagasca r
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to ma ke a series of prog ra m mes a
bout the isla nd's rema rka ble wi ld life.
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That was way back
in the early days of television,
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when everhing was in black and white.
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It was one of the first
natural history series that I'd made.
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Madagasca r lies i n
the Ind ia n Ocea n, here.
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And even on a g lobe th is size,
it looks a ti ny isla nd,
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perha ps beca use it's dwa rfed
by th is vast conti nent of Africa.
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But, i n fact, it's a n i m mense isla nd,
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over 1,000 m i les long,
bigger tha n the British Isles.
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I was astonished by the animals I saw.
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They were unlike anhing
Iiving elsewhere.
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And wh i le I was here,
m uch to my su rprise,
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I acq u i red a n extraord i na ry object
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that has been one of my most
treasu red possessions ever si nce.
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Down in the south of the island,
I found, Iying in the desert sand,
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Pieces of what Iooked Iike
very thick eggshell.
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I knew that a huge, extinct bird
had once Iived down here.
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These must be bits ofits eggs.
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I asked the Iocal PeoPle about them.
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They were more than obliging.
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The fragments were all small,
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and couldgive Iittle idea
of the size ofa comPlete egg.
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But, then, a young boy brought in these.
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A t first, I thought they wereJust
a collection of eXcePtionally big bits
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that he hadPicked uP over some time.
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But then I noticed that two of them
Iooked as if they might fit together.
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I had, aPParently, got myself
a three-dimensionalJigsawPuzzle.
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And they did fit.
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So IJoined them with the sticky taPe
we used to seal our film cans.
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Soon, I had built uP two halves.
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This was a single, immense egg.
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And it was virtually comPlete.
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I reckoned it must have contained
as much as L4Ø chicken eggs.
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The bird that Iaid it
must have been a giant, indeed.
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But this raised all kinds ofquestions.
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How old was this egg?
When did the bird die out?
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And what does it tell us about man's
relationshiP with the wildlife here?
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H ere is the egg, professiona lly
put together, a lmost as good as new.
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It is, to me at a ny rate,
a wonderfu l object.
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After a ll, it's the la rgest egg
ever la id by a nyth i ng.
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But what pa rticu la rly fasci nates me
is the thoug ht of the bi rd that la id it.
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What sort of a creatu re was it?
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Well, stories a bout g iga ntic bi rds
have been ci rcu lati ng
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i n Eu rope si nce the 1 3th centu ry.
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When Ma rco Polo, the g reat Venetia n
traveller a nd explorer,
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ca me back from the east
with stories of a h uge bi rd,
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so big that its wi ngs covered
a n extent of 30 paces
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a nd its q u i lls were 1 2 paces long,
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a nd it's so strong that it' ll seize
a n elepha nt i n its ta lons
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a nd ca rry h i m h
ig h i nto the a i r a nd
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d rop h i m so that he
is smashed to pieces.
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Stories of a bi rd so big
they cou ld lift a n elepha nt.
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And that's what gave it the name
of "elePhant bird".
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But after those
rather u n believa ble stories,
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there were other,
more concrete stories, too,
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i n the 1 7th centu ry.
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Th is is a n accou nt of Madagasca r
written by Flacou rt,
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who was a French governor of the isla nd.
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And he lists a ll the a n i ma ls that
he knows i n the isla nd of Madagasca r,
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a nd he d raws most of them.
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But if you look th roug h here,
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there's no pictu re of a bi rd
that cou ld be a n elepha nt bi rd.
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There's a n eg ret, there's a heron,
but noth i ng bigger.
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But he does say that there was
a big, ostrich-li ke bi rd
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i n the south of the isla nd.
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So maybe he hea rd stories
of the elepha nt bi rd.
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But was it a live then? H e doesn 't say.
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Of cou rse, we know now
that the bi rd is certa i n ly exti nct.
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But when d id it d isa ppea r?
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Si nce I collected th is egg,
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tech n iq ues have been developed
wh ich ena ble us to date it.
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So I've sent off a sma ll frag ment of it
for that to be done.
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It will take a Iittle time
for the results to come through,
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but, after Ø years, Iguess I can wait
a few weeks Ionger.
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Meanwhile, I'm off to Madagascar,
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to have another Iook
at its wonderful animals
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and see how things have changed
in the Iast Ø years.
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Some sPecies are thought to have
disaPPeared since I was Iast here
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and new ones have also been discovered.
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Could the story of the elePhant bird,
whatever it turns out to be,
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helP me understand
what's going on there today?
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Fiftyyears ago, Madagascar was
Iittle known, certainly in Britain.
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Until only a fewyears before,
it had been a French colony.
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I really didn 't know anhing about it
and started to read about it.
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And the on ly i llustrations I cou ld fi nd
were d rawi ngs
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or photog ra phs of stuffed speci mens
i n French pu blications.
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And so I thoug ht, "Okay, that's g reat.
N obody else has fi lmed there."
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And I don 't th i n k there had rea lly
been a ny natu ra l h istory fi lm made
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i n Madagasca r at a ll i n 1 960
that I cou ld fi nd.
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It wasJust me
and GeoffMulligan with his camera.
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And we were there for four months.
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Because the island has been cut off
for so Iong, evolution has had a chance
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to Produce a whole range
of unique animals andPlants.
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But, first,
what about the elePhant bird?
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Beyond the Iegends,
what more do we know about it?
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The country's caPital is Tananarivo,
or Tana, as the Iocals call it.
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And the Place to go ifyou want to find
out about the island's natural history
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is, obviously, its museum.
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It had stuffed examPles
ofsome of the animals
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I already knew something about.
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But I also found a mounted skeleton of
the huge bird that interests me so much,
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one of the very few that exists.
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So how ta ll was the elepha nt bi rd?
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N ot a n easy q uestion to a nswer,
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beca use very few skeletons
a re tota lly com plete.
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And so, ma ny of the mou nted speci mens
have been put together
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with a n u m ber of bones
from d ifferent speci mens.
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And if you get overenth usiastic,
maybe it's q u ite possi ble
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that you stick i n one or two
extra neck bones,
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so we ca n 't be su re
a bout the length of the neck.
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N or ca n we be su re
a bout the postu re, rea lly.
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Th is one looks to me rather front heavy,
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a nd it cou ld well be that, i n life,
the a n i ma l was more u prig ht,
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i n wh ich case,
it stood very ta ll i ndeed.
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What, 1 0 feet, 1 2 feet?
That sort of size,
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i n order to be a ble to reach
the leaves of trees on wh ich it browsed.
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But a more safe cha racteristic
is weig ht.
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And you ca n be fa i rly su re
the esti mate of that,
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a nd it's reckoned that the elepha nt bi rd
weig hed a rou nd ha lf a ton ne.
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The extinct moas ofNewZealand
might PerhaPs have been taller,
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but this was certainly the heaviest bird
that ever existed.
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And, of course, it was flightless,
Iike an ostrich.
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Most ofits remains have been found
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down in the dry, hot southern end
of the island,
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where I had collected my egg fragments.
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So, on Ieaving Tana,
that's where we headed.
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Sou nds li ke forever, 50 yea rs, to me.
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But it's rea lly the day
before yesterday, I reckon,
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that I was here
doi ng that sort of stuff.
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I can 't believe that it's Ø years.
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Southern Madagascar really is
one of the oddest Places in the world,
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if only because of
its bizarre vegetation.
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I had n 't known what
the spi ny forest was,
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that there shou ld be pla nts,
li ke long fi ngers,
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2 0 feet h ig h, 30 feet h ig h,
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with spi nes a ll over them
a nd little leaves, you know?
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Extraordinary.
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This sPiny forest was once widesPread
in the south.
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But now there are only
a fewPockets ofit Ieft.
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Big Ieaves would Iose
a Iot ofPrecious water in a hot desert,
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so these Plants have very small ones
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that are Protected from browsing animals
by sharP sPines.
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But what browsers?
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Presumably, one was the elePhant bird.
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Some browsers, however,
are still around,
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and Ø years ago,
we went to Iook for them.
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The sPines make this a fairly
uncomfortable Place to move around in.
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But, eventually, we found
those browsers.
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And they're still here.
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Sifakas, a wonderful kind of Iemur.
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They' re feed i
ng on ba rk, stri ppi ng away the ba rk.
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They' re not pa rticu la rly u pset
by my presence,
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a ny more tha n they were
when I fi rst saw them 50 yea rs ago.
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What is aston ish i ng a bout them
is the way they move th roug h the forest.
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Very u n li ke mon keys.
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Mon keys, when they lea p,
lea p ha nds fi rst,
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with thei r torsos more or less level.
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But these ma rvellous creatu res
j u m p u prig ht,
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beca use they la nd
with thei r feet fi rst,
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wh ich accou nts for why, when they
come down to the g rou nd, very ra rely,
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thei r legs a re so long
that they ca n 't wa lk on a ll fou rs,
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as ma ny mon keys do,
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but have to sta nd u prig ht on thei r very
long legs a nd thei r rather short a rms.
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And that g ives them th is lovely
ba lletic movement
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when they get a rou nd on the g rou nd.
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There a re q u ite a n u m ber
of d ifferent species of these.
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And they d iffer mostly
i n thei r colou ration.
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N ow, th is one with its da rk brown ca p,
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a nd I th i n k th is is actua lly
one of the loveliest.
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I ca n j ust hea r them ma ki ng
that slig ht "sifa, sifa" noise,
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wh ich is a ki nd of a slig ht,
I th i n k, u neasy noise
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that they ma ke when
they' re j ust a little worried,
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a nd wh ich g ives them
thei r na me of "sifa ka ".
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Thei r faces, with that long snout
a nd moist nose,
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a re rea lly rather dog-li ke.
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But it's when you see thei r ha nds
that you rea lise
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they' re related to mon keys a nd to us,
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these g raspi ng ha nds.
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And I've actua lly had a pet lem u r
a long, long ti me ago.
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And it held on to my ha nd
i n the most cha rm i ng way.
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Dn that first triP, I kePt aJournal.
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And reading it now reminds me
ofhow excitedl was
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seeing these creatures
for the first time.
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"Before they sta rted feed i ng,
the ad u lt ma le a nd fema le
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"treated us to a ca ptivati ng d isplay
of wrestli ng.
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"The fema le was sitti ng on her bottom
on the bra nch, with her feet da ng li ng,
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"wh i le the ma le ca me a long
a nd put a ha lf-nelson on her.
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"Then the match started.
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"There was no question ofsex,
nor ofaggression,
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"for they often broke off to Iook at us.
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"It was Pure Play
and enchanting to watch."
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I've got notes here of what we fi lmed.
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Well, it's a ll 1 00-foot reels.
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A 1 00-foot reel ru ns
for two m i n utes, 40.
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And you know, two m i n utes, 40,
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a nd you 've got to stop
a nd ta ke the th i ng out, as well.
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And, of cou rse, the lenses we had
were very poor,
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a nd we d id n 't have zooms either.
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So that now, if you see
someth i ng u p there,
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you get the wide shot a nd then
you zoom i n q u ickly a nd you 've got it.
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But if you d id that then,
you 'd have to ta ke that lens out
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a nd put on a nother socki ng g reat lens.
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I had never seen a livi ng sifa ka
u nti l I ca me here to Madagasca r.
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It was such a shock a nd a th ri ll
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to see them i n the wi ld
for the fi rst ti me.
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And it's j ust a bout
as g reat a th ri ll rig ht now,
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as they' re bou nd i ng
away on the g rou nd.
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Sifakas are well adaPted to Iiving
in this world ofsPines and thorns,
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and so, doubtless,
was the elePhant bird.
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But adaPtation is often
a two-wayProcess.
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Th is is the seed of
a pa rticu la rly stra nge pla nt
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that g rows i n th is a rid spi ny forest.
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It is a rmed with a series
of ferocious hooks,
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wh ich wou ld have ca ug ht on the legs
of the elepha nt bi rd,
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a nd so be d istri buted
th roug hout the forest.
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Now, Presumably, it's us and our cattle
who do theJob.
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As you go farther south,
it gets drier and hotter,
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until, eventually,
there's not enough moisture
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to sustain even the sPiny forest.
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And here, once again,
I found egg fragments, Iots of them.
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Fiftyyears ago, I thought I'd been
amazingly sharP-eyed to find a few bits.
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Andl certainly was very Iucky to be
brought enough to reconstruct an egg.
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But there were so manyPieces here,
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I think that I must have been
half-blind before,
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or in quite the wrong Place.
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Of cou rse, these th ick shells
don 't tu rn to powder,
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li ke, say, ch icken eggshells wou ld do
over a few days,
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but rema i n solid a nd fi rm
for a long ti me.
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Even so, there a re vast q ua ntities
of shell out there.
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So there m ust have been a very
su bsta ntia l popu lation of bi rds.
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What ha ppened to them?
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Now it's so arid that
it's difficult to imagine
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huge flocks ofgiant
flightless birds Iiving here.
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But they must have done so.
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How greatly has the climate
ofMadagascar changed?
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We can get clues from examining
the fossilised bones of other animals
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that were around at the same time
as the elePhant bird.
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And there were certainly
some very extraordinary ones,
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some quite tiny, and some giants
quite unlike anhing around now.
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Th is is the sku ll of the biggest
of a ll the lem u rs.
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It's got a head m uch bigger tha n m i ne.
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And, i ndeed, it was proba bly
a bout the size of a you ng gori lla.
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Th is a n i ma l lived i n trees,
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a nd that's confi rmed
by a look at its teeth.
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These a re the teeth
of a leaf-eati ng a n i ma l,
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not a g razer, not a meat eater,
but a leaf eater.
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So th is a n i ma l lived i n trees,
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a nd proba bly h u ng a rou nd,
rather li ke a koa la,
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on ly very, very m uch bigger.
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And that tells us that where th is lived,
there was forest.
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The rolling hills of the island are now
nearly all bare of trees.
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Yet bones of this giant Iemur
have been found
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in many widely-seParatedPlaces
all over the island,
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strong evidence that, once,
the whole ofMadagascar was forested.
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When I was here Ø years ago,
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I sPeculated that elePhant birds
had disaPPeared
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because their habitat had dried out.
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AndlPut that down
to a changing climate.
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Now we know that, although the climate
here has indeed become much drier,
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that change took Place
many thousands ofyears ago,
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and that elePhant birds Iiving in
the sPiny forest managed to survive it.
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So climate change alone can 't be blamed
for the bird's extinction.
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Are there any other clues
that might suggest
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an alternative exPlanation for that,
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and for the fact that the giant
Iemur's forests have also gone?
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Well, it's been discovered
that those giant Iemurs
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all disaPPeared
over a very short sPace of time.
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And that was when human beings arrived.
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Madagasca r was one of the last places on
Ea rth to be reached by h u ma n bei ngs.
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They d id n 't get here ti ll
a rou nd 2,000 yea rs ago,
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a nd then, of cou rse,
there were j ust a few h u nd red.
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Fifty yea rs ago,
there were a rou nd six m i llion.
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Today, there a re 2 0 m i llion.
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Was it human beings who exterminated
much of the island's animals,
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the elePhant bird,
as well as the giant Iemurs?
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Did they, PerhaPs, hunt them for food?
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One of the ways that you ca n tell
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whether or not h u ma n bei ngs
h u nted a n a n i ma l
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is to look at the a n i ma l's bones.
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Th is is the bone of a n exti nct lem u r
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that dates from a bout 2,000 yea rs ago,
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when h u ma n bei ngs
fi rst ca me to th is isla nd.
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And when you look at it,
you ca n see, at the top there,
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cut ma rks.
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So we know that th is lem u r was ki lled,
or at least eaten, by h u ma n bei ngs,
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who cut the flesh away from the bone
with some ki nd of kn ife.
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But the i nteresti ng th i ng is, a lthoug
h we a lso fi nd elepha nt bi rd bones,
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ha rd ly a one of the elepha nt bi rd bones
have cut ma rks.
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So we ca n 't rea lly bla me
the d isa ppea ra nce
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of the elepha nt bi rd on h u nters.
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Ifit wasn 't climate change or hunting,
what else could it have been?
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Although Madagascar is
only seParated from Africa
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by a relatively narrow stretch ofsea,
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many of the first settlers came
not from there,
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but from Southeast Asia,
thousands ofmiles away.
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In fact, the people who live
i n the centre pa rt of Madagasca r
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orig i na lly ca me from rig ht across
the other side of the Ind ia n Ocea n,
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here, i n the Ma laya n reg ion.
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They must certainly have hunted
the animals,
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but they also did something else,
which in the Iong run,
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was far more devastating
for the island's wildlife.
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They were farmers.
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And they cleared the forest to grow rice
and to Provide grazing for their cattle.
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As the numbers ofPeoPle increased,
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so more and more forest
was cut and burnt.
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It's a Process that is still going on.
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So, all over the island,
the IandscaPe began to change.
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I'm on my way to the west of the island,
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where a few, small Patches
of that ancient forest still remain.
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These strange, beautiful trees, baobabs,
are fire-resistant,
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and too big to cut down.
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So, in manyPlaces,
they are the only remnants Ieft
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of the original forest
that once covered this Iand.
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It would have been difficult for
a creature the size ofan elePhant bird
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to Iive without vegetation ofsome kind,
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and today, even the smallest ofanimals
are struggling to survive here.
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Dne of those that have managed to do so
is the tiniest ofall known Iemurs.
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It's called Madame Berthe's mouse Iemur,
and it was only discovered LØ years ago.
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Melanie Dammhahn is Part
ofa team ofscientists
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who are studying the animal,
trying to work out how to Protect it.
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Oh!
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- Ti ny, ti ny.
- Ti ny, ti ny.
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J ust on ly 30-g ra m body weig ht.
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- Yea h. Sma llest pri mate i n the world?
- Sma llest pri mate i n the world.
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- Big eyes, sma ll ea rs.
- Very big eyes.
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- Yea h.
- And a wet nose.
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- Yea h.
- Yea h.
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Melanie and her colleagues
catch these Iemurs and tag them
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to build uP a Picture
of their behaviour,
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essential knowledge
if they're to be ProPerlyProtected.
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And how long wi ll he have
been i n there now?
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- A few hou rs.
- That a ll?
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So we collect h i m at n ig ht
a nd then he stays i n ca m p
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a nd sleeps i n there,
a nd then we release h i m the next day.
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And you 've ca ug ht h
i m how ma ny ti mes?
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- Maybe a rou nd twenty i n th ree yea rs.
- Twenty.
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So he's accustomed to it.
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H e's accustomed to it.
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And do they travel very fa r?
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- They travel very fa r.
- Rea lly?
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They have, li ke,
a th ree-hecta re home ra nge,
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so that's q u ite a bit
for a n a n i ma l li ke that.
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- Certa i n ly is. Yea h.
- Yea h.
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They m ig ht even ru n,
li ke, five ki lometres a n ig ht.
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- Rea lly?
- Yea h.
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An a n i ma l li ke
that. I th i n k that's...
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- Amazi ng.
- Amazi ng, yea h.
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Okay, let's see h i m go.
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H e's com i ng.
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Come on.
Come on, little one.
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That's it. That's it. Oh!
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The work Melanie and her team are doing
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is vital for the survival
of this Iittle Iemur.
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It's also revealingJust why it is
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that this tiny creature Iives here
and nowhere else.
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Th is pa rticu la r lia na
belongs to a species
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that on ly g rows i n
th is patch of forest.
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And on it, a nd on no other ki nd
of lia na, lives th is little i nsect.
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It's a bug wh ich feeds
by sticki ng its mouth pa rts
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i nto the lia na a nd
sucki ng out the sa p.
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It then d igests what it wa nts
a nd excretes the rest
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as honeydew, a sort of suga ry liq u id.
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And it's that honeydew, that suga r,
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that Mada me Berthe's lem u r needs
i n its d iet.
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So Mada me Berthe's lem u r is on ly fou nd
i n th is pa rticu la r patch of the forest
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beca use of th is i
nsect a nd th is lia na,
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wh ich j ust shows how com plicated
ecolog ica l con nections ca n be,
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a nd how m uch you have to know
a bout a n a n i ma l
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if you ' re rea lly goi ng to conserve it.
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It's more than Iikely
that the elePhant bird
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was nowhere near as fussy
as a mouse Iemur,
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but it certainly needed
much greater quantities offood.
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So as more and more of the forest
was cleared,
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there was Iess and Iess room
for animals ofall kinds.
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Elepha nt bi rds were a mong
the fi rst victi ms of deforestation.
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As people ca me i n a nd clea red the bush
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i n order to ma ke space
for thei r own crops,
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there was less a nd less foliage
for the bi rds to browse on,
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a nd no leaves whatever
on the g reat tru n ks of the baoba bs.
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Andyet we know that,
unlike the giant Iemurs,
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the elePhant bird didn 't disaPPear
as soon as the PeoPle arrived.
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Recent archaeological research
suggests that the birds
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Iived alongside human beings
for hundreds ofyears.
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PerhaPs they were Protected by something
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that is still deePly rooted
in the Iives of the MalagasyPeoPle,
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fady, a beliefabout the intimate way
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in which human beings are connected
with the natural world.
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They believe, for examPle,
that many sPecies ofanimal
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contain the sPirits of their ancestors,
and must not, therefore, be killed.
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When I was here making
these Zoo Quest Programmes,
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we watched a traditional ceremony
which centred around a fady
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connected with Madagascar's
only surviving giant, the crocodile.
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Here, at the sacred Iake ofAnivorano,
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they tell a story ofa wandering
holy man who aPPeared in the village.
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No one, aPart from one old woman,
offered him refreshment.
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After warning the old woman to Ieave,
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he then flooded the whole village,
drowning everyone in it, excePt her.
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The PeoPle here believe
that the crocodiles in this Iake
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are descendents
of those original villagers,
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and they come here to give them
sacrifices ofmeat
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in return for their blessings.
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Many animals in Madagascar
have some kind offady attached to them.
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Th is is a cha meleon.
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And Madagasca r is the home
of the cha meleons.
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There a re more d ifferent
ki nds of cha meleons
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a nd more spectacu la r cha meleons here
tha n a nywhere else i n the world.
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They a re, of cou rse,
very specia lised liza rds.
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But loca l people
a re very frig htened of them.
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They move i n th is odd way
a nd they have these biza rre eyes.
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And they th i n k that once g la nce
from a cha meleon is riski ng death,
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a nd to hold one wou ld be d isaster.
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N ow, when we were last here,
somebody broke i nto ou r ca r
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with a ll ou r eq u i pment i n it
a nd broke the wi ndow.
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And so we cou ld n 't lock the ca r.
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So I took one of these
splend id cha meleons,
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a nd put it on the steeri ng wheel,
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a nd when a nybody opened the ca r door,
it sort of g lowered at them,
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a nd nobody d id, except us.
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These beliefs in fady are still very
Powerful and widesPread in Madagascar.
422
00:29:46,543 --> 00:29:49,703
And, in some cases,
it's they that have been resPonsible
423
00:29:49,783 --> 00:29:52,263
for the very survival ofa sPecies.
424
00:29:56,703 --> 00:30:01,704
Th is g ia nt baoba b is one of
the most fa mous i nd ivid ua l trees
425
00:30:01,784 --> 00:30:03,664
i n the whole of Madagasca r.
426
00:30:03,744 --> 00:30:07,944
The people believe that it's the home
to the spi rits of the dead.
427
00:30:08,424 --> 00:30:10,944
And they bri ng offeri ngs,
wh ich they place a rou nd its base,
428
00:30:11,024 --> 00:30:15,024
of ru m a nd other th i ngs,
to ask the a ncestors to bri ng them luck.
429
00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:21,425
But the spi rits wi ll on ly rema i n as
long as the forest su rrou nds the tree.
430
00:30:22,225 --> 00:30:25,705
So, tha n ks to th is
tree a nd that belief,
431
00:30:25,785 --> 00:30:27,705
one of the best pieces of d ry forest
432
00:30:27,785 --> 00:30:30,785
i n the whole of Madagasca r
is sti ll protected.
433
00:30:34,306 --> 00:30:38,506
Many Malagasy communities have
such beliefs about the natural world.
434
00:30:38,586 --> 00:30:41,226
Could it be that it was fady
that helPed to Protect
435
00:30:41,306 --> 00:30:44,826
the Iast dwindling PoPulations
of elePhant birds,
436
00:30:44,906 --> 00:30:49,066
enabling them to survive Ionger
than they might otherwise have done?
437
00:30:50,707 --> 00:30:53,867
It's easy to imagine that creatures
whose eggs were big enough
438
00:30:53,947 --> 00:30:55,947
to start Iegends all over EuroPe
439
00:30:56,027 --> 00:30:59,587
would be surrounded by feelings ofawe
or even fear.
440
00:31:02,587 --> 00:31:06,107
But that did not save the elePhant bird
in the Iong run.
441
00:31:06,427 --> 00:31:09,548
The territories they required
wereJust too big.
442
00:31:13,508 --> 00:31:18,348
Madagascar has one of the highest rates
offorest Ioss ofanywhere in the world.
443
00:31:18,948 --> 00:31:22,028
It's estimated that BØ% ofit
has now gone.
444
00:31:25,549 --> 00:31:29,389
AII the wetterParts of the island
were once covered by rainforest,
445
00:31:29,469 --> 00:31:31,469
which, Iike rainforest everywhere,
446
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:34,229
was hugely rich in animals
andPlant sPecies.
447
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:39,429
And this being Madagascar, most were
sPecies that existed nowhere else.
448
00:31:40,709 --> 00:31:44,150
The changes here have been
Particularly dramatic.
449
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:51,550
When I was here i n 1 960, a ll th
is la nd was covered i n ra i nforest,
450
00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:56,390
trees 1 00 feet h ig h, with lem u rs
a nd a ll ki nds of bi rds a nd i nsects.
451
00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:01,391
And then they bu i lt th is sawm i ll.
452
00:32:01,911 --> 00:32:06,031
And, for 2 5 yea rs, it operated,
consu m i ng the forest,
453
00:32:06,831 --> 00:32:09,071
u nti l the forest was a ll gone.
454
00:32:09,471 --> 00:32:14,311
So then they left the sawm i ll,
a nd the la nd has gone to waste.
455
00:32:18,672 --> 00:32:21,472
They also started to mine here
for nickel.
456
00:32:23,072 --> 00:32:24,992
Madagascar, in fact, has some of
457
00:32:25,072 --> 00:32:28,392
the richest untaPPed
mineral dePosits in the world.
458
00:32:28,872 --> 00:32:33,152
ExPloiting them requires great corridors
to be cut through the forest.
459
00:32:33,512 --> 00:32:37,793
Many animals that require big
territories won 't cross such corridors.
460
00:32:38,113 --> 00:32:40,513
So, Just Iike the elePhant bird,
461
00:32:40,593 --> 00:32:43,233
they're squeezed into
smaller and smallerPatches,
462
00:32:43,313 --> 00:32:47,393
and, ultimately, they vanish,
Just as the elePhant bird did.
463
00:32:52,634 --> 00:32:56,754
This Patch offorest in Andasibe,
on the eastern side of the island,
464
00:32:56,834 --> 00:32:59,234
is one of the Iargest
remaining fragments,
465
00:32:59,314 --> 00:33:03,154
and it's the Iast home of the biggest
ofall surviving Iemurs,
466
00:33:04,674 --> 00:33:06,034
the indri.
467
00:33:09,995 --> 00:33:14,035
JosePh Randriada Thuandru
has Iived here all his Iife.
468
00:33:14,795 --> 00:33:19,235
In fact, he was here when I was filming
in L96Ø, although we didn 't meet.
469
00:33:20,875 --> 00:33:24,035
Then, he was hunting the indri for food.
470
00:33:32,956 --> 00:33:36,476
A t that time, I had an idea
that stories about the indri
471
00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:39,636
might have given rise to mhs
almost as fantastic
472
00:33:39,716 --> 00:33:42,396
as those surrounding the elePhant bird.
473
00:33:46,037 --> 00:33:49,197
Ma ny people consider
that th is stra nge creatu re
474
00:33:49,277 --> 00:33:52,477
is the orig i n of the legend
of the dog-headed ma n.
475
00:33:53,317 --> 00:33:56,157
Ma rco Polo wrote a bout
the dog-headed ma n,
476
00:33:56,237 --> 00:33:59,277
a nd th is is a n i llustration
from a natu ra l h istory book
477
00:33:59,357 --> 00:34:01,758
pu blished some 300 yea rs ago.
478
00:34:02,398 --> 00:34:04,118
Well, obviously, we wa nted to fi lm th is.
479
00:34:04,198 --> 00:34:06,598
And before we went to Madagasca r,
480
00:34:06,678 --> 00:34:08,958
I visited a very
d isti ng u ished British natu ra list
481
00:34:09,038 --> 00:34:12,918
who had spent seven yea rs there,
a nd asked h i m a bout the i nd ris.
482
00:34:12,998 --> 00:34:14,638
H e told me that, as fa r as he knew,
483
00:34:14,718 --> 00:34:17,278
it had never been photog ra phed
or fi lmed a live.
484
00:34:17,358 --> 00:34:19,474
The a n i ma l wh
ich was the most d ra
485
00:34:19,486 --> 00:34:21,879
matic a n i ma l on the
series by a long way
486
00:34:21,959 --> 00:34:27,479
was the i nd ri, wh ich we had been
the fi rst people to photog ra ph a live.
487
00:34:28,359 --> 00:34:32,799
It took us a hell ofa time to find it,
you know, traiPsing through the forest.
488
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,240
And, nea rly a lways, you hea rd a ca ll,
489
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,240
so you 'd go th roug h the bush
a nd try a nd look for it,
490
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,880
a nd then, as soon as it saw you,
491
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,200
woof, it was gone,
bou nd i ng th roug h the forest.
492
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,680
So a ll we got for days a nd days
was noth i ng but backsides
493
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,400
of these th i ngs sa i li ng away from you.
494
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,601
Since PeoPle at that time, IikejosePh,
were still hunting indris,
495
00:34:55,681 --> 00:34:59,041
it was hardly surPrising
that they were scared of us.
496
00:34:59,641 --> 00:35:02,641
After several days offailure,
I had an idea.
497
00:35:03,081 --> 00:35:05,761
I decided to record
their extraordinary calls,
498
00:35:05,841 --> 00:35:10,242
and then rePlay the sound, in the hoPe
that the animals might call in resPonse
499
00:35:10,322 --> 00:35:13,402
and reveal themselves,
or even come closer.
500
00:35:30,123 --> 00:35:31,603
And it worked.
501
00:35:35,363 --> 00:35:37,963
Although we didn 't get
as close as I might have wished,
502
00:35:38,043 --> 00:35:40,443
we watched them for several days.
503
00:35:56,764 --> 00:35:59,044
"We never saw a grouP ofmore than four.
504
00:35:59,124 --> 00:36:02,325
"Th is i n fact, I th i n k, is the sou rce
of m uch of the cha rm of it.
505
00:36:02,405 --> 00:36:05,405
"Mon keys livi ng i n trou pes
have a trou pe d isci pli ne,
506
00:36:05,485 --> 00:36:08,405
"a nd a n order of sen iority
esta blished a nd ma i nta i ned by battle,
507
00:36:08,485 --> 00:36:10,605
"the ma les fig hti ng
one a nother ferociously.
508
00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:12,405
"Not so with indri.
509
00:36:13,045 --> 00:36:14,805
"They Iive en fa m i lle.
510
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,341
"The old ma le doesn 't need
to assert h is ra n k by fig hti ng,
511
00:36:17,365 --> 00:36:20,366
"a nd, conseq uently, the atmosphere
is one of affection.
512
00:36:20,446 --> 00:36:24,606
"Once, we saw a you ng ma le joi n
a you ng fema le, sitti ng beh i nd her,
513
00:36:24,686 --> 00:36:27,166
"h is legs stretched out
on either side of her.
514
00:36:27,246 --> 00:36:30,206
"They licked a nd em braced one a nother
for ha lf a n hou r.
515
00:36:30,286 --> 00:36:32,046
"Then sudden ly, a bi rd screeched,
516
00:36:35,286 --> 00:36:36,463
"Ioud ly a nd sta rtli ng ly.
517
00:36:36,487 --> 00:36:40,087
"Im med iately, the ma le put a protective
a nd reassu ri ng a rm a rou nd her.
518
00:36:40,167 --> 00:36:42,047
"It was most touching to see."
519
00:36:43,647 --> 00:36:46,408
Anth ropomorph ism ru n riot.
But there you a re, that's what I wrote.
520
00:36:51,567 --> 00:36:56,368
JosePh, the one-time hunter, still uses
his skills to track the indri,
521
00:36:56,448 --> 00:36:58,528
but no Ionger in order to kill them.
522
00:36:58,608 --> 00:37:01,488
Now he works as a forest guide.
523
00:37:06,968 --> 00:37:09,288
What made you stop h u nti ng them?
524
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:42,650
Have people's attitudes towa rds
the i nd ri cha nged over the yea rs?
525
00:38:11,652 --> 00:38:13,292
WithoutjosePh to helP us,
526
00:38:13,372 --> 00:38:16,732
it would have been imPossible
for us to get near the indri.
527
00:38:16,812 --> 00:38:20,012
But this grouP is so used to him
that they're not frightened.
528
00:38:20,092 --> 00:38:23,933
Indeed, it seemed to me
that they almost welcomed his comPany.
529
00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:33,373
Thanks to him, I now had a chance,
for the very first time,
530
00:38:33,453 --> 00:38:35,653
to get really close to them.
531
00:40:17,819 --> 00:40:21,820
They could easily collect these Ieaves
from the trees themselves.
532
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:26,540
But they seem to choose to take them
from the hand ofa human being.
533
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:35,460
Well, that was
a n aston ish i ng experience.
534
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:41,901
Fifty yea rs ago, I spent days
a nd days a nd days
535
00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:46,821
sea rch i ng th roug h the forest
with these, followi ng the noise.
536
00:40:47,661 --> 00:40:53,061
But now, th is g rou p is so accustomed
to seei ng people a rou nd,
537
00:40:53,981 --> 00:40:57,022
that I've been rig ht close u p to them,
538
00:40:57,822 --> 00:41:00,662
someth i ng I had never believed
cou ld have been possi ble.
539
00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:09,262
I thoug ht these were the most
elusive, shy creatu res.
540
00:41:10,302 --> 00:41:13,302
It certa i n ly took me a long ti me
to fi nd them.
541
00:41:13,783 --> 00:41:17,063
But that they ca n now be so trusti ng
542
00:41:17,143 --> 00:41:21,103
is a ma rvellous testa ment
to how people here
543
00:41:21,183 --> 00:41:23,703
now react towa rds them a nd cherish them.
544
00:41:29,343 --> 00:41:32,744
It's a hea rt-wa rm i
ng ki nd of rea lisation
545
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:34,784
that wi ld creatu res li ke th is
546
00:41:34,864 --> 00:41:38,624
a nd h u ma n bei ngs ca n live
a longside one a nother i n ha rmony.
547
00:41:39,704 --> 00:41:43,304
And they a re such
aston ish i ng creatu res.
548
00:41:44,144 --> 00:41:48,345
I mea n, a pa rt from bei ng so bea utifu
l, they have these very sta ri ng eyes,
549
00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,465
looki ng stra ig ht at you,
stra ig ht th roug h you.
550
00:41:52,065 --> 00:41:55,305
And then they have these
very h u ma n-li ke ha nds,
551
00:41:56,105 --> 00:41:57,945
j ust ta ki ng someth i ng.
552
00:41:59,025 --> 00:42:03,945
But when you look down at thei r feet,
h uge, g reat ca lli per feet,
553
00:42:04,025 --> 00:42:07,306
when they've decided that
they've had enoug h of you,
554
00:42:07,386 --> 00:42:09,986
they si m ply flex those
enormous h i nd legs,
555
00:42:10,066 --> 00:42:13,786
a nd j ust with a vast bou nd,
of what I su ppose
556
00:42:13,866 --> 00:42:17,786
th ree ya rds, fou r ya rds, j ust whoosh,
a nd they' re gone.
557
00:42:25,267 --> 00:42:27,547
It was wonderful to see
how the relationshiP
558
00:42:27,627 --> 00:42:30,667
between the indri and the Iocal PeoPle
Iiving alongside them
559
00:42:30,747 --> 00:42:32,507
has changed so much.
560
00:42:33,987 --> 00:42:36,787
But then, our attitudes
have changed, too.
561
00:42:37,347 --> 00:42:39,307
When I came here Ø years ago,
562
00:42:39,387 --> 00:42:43,508
I was asked to collect some animals
alive and bring them back to Britain.
563
00:42:43,588 --> 00:42:46,548
That was howzoos oPerated
in those days,
564
00:42:46,628 --> 00:42:50,468
believing, misguidedly,
that when one of their exhibits died,
565
00:42:50,548 --> 00:42:53,828
you could always go out
and catch more to rePlace it.
566
00:42:53,908 --> 00:42:56,428
Andl did my best
to assemble a few animals
567
00:42:56,508 --> 00:42:59,309
I thought might make
interesting disPlays.
568
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:18,190
The Zoo Quest series sta rted as
a colla boration with the London Zoo.
569
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:24,030
So I fou nd myself as a n a n i ma l
catcher, as well as everyth i ng else.
570
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:28,430
One Centetes, one CoracoPsis,
one roller,
571
00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:30,950
24 fody, those a re li ke spa rrows.
572
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:36,711
Ten cha meleons, six assorted liza rds,
th ree boas, 1 00 myria pods.
573
00:43:39,431 --> 00:43:40,711
Bon kers.
574
00:43:41,191 --> 00:43:43,311
And I had to feed a ll
these da m n th i ngs.
575
00:43:45,391 --> 00:43:48,751
Fu n ny way to ma ke television
prog ra m mes, I ca n tell you.
576
00:43:48,831 --> 00:43:51,912
And I had collected some bea utifu l,
well, myria pods.
577
00:43:51,992 --> 00:43:54,752
What d id it say there?
I th i n k it was 1 00 or someth i ng.
578
00:43:54,832 --> 00:43:56,512
And they were lovely m i lli pedes,
579
00:43:56,592 --> 00:43:58,592
the size of golf ba lls
when they' re rolled u p,
580
00:43:58,672 --> 00:44:02,352
a nd when they weren 't, they wou ld
ru n a rou nd li ke little tra i ns,
581
00:44:02,432 --> 00:44:04,712
red with black stri pes on them.
582
00:44:05,192 --> 00:44:09,033
And they got out i n the m idd le
of the n ig ht i n the hotel,
583
00:44:09,113 --> 00:44:11,793
a nd they were a ll over the corridor
a nd a ll i n the rooms,
584
00:44:11,873 --> 00:44:15,873
a nd madame was not pleased,
not at a ll pleased.
585
00:44:22,273 --> 00:44:27,874
In rainforests Iike this, you come
across all kinds of unexPected delights.
586
00:44:31,834 --> 00:44:35,394
Th
is rather la rge sna ke,
587
00:44:37,074 --> 00:44:39,794
u m, is q u ite ha rm less, i n fact.
588
00:44:41,555 --> 00:44:43,835
But it's q u ite mysterious, too,
589
00:44:44,955 --> 00:44:49,235
beca use that, you wou ld th i n k
i n Africa, was a python.
590
00:44:50,515 --> 00:44:52,795
And Africa's j ust over the way.
591
00:44:53,955 --> 00:44:56,475
But, i n fact, it's a boa constrictor.
592
00:44:57,195 --> 00:45:02,796
And its nea rest relatives a re rig ht on
the other side, i n South America.
593
00:45:03,356 --> 00:45:07,316
It's one of the mysteries
of Madagasca r's fa u na.
594
00:45:08,476 --> 00:45:11,516
N ow, the last ti me I was here,
there was a belief
595
00:45:11,596 --> 00:45:14,996
that a n i ma ls li ke th is, th is boa,
596
00:45:15,076 --> 00:45:18,717
were the i nca rnations
of people's g ra nd mothers.
597
00:45:20,317 --> 00:45:24,237
I d id have some i n h i bitions
a bout what people wou ld th i n k
598
00:45:24,317 --> 00:45:27,557
if I ca ug ht one of those
a nd took away thei r g ra nd mother,
599
00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:29,157
so I never d id.
600
00:45:56,399 --> 00:45:59,639
This beautiful Iemur
has now become a symbol
601
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,879
of the fight to conserve the forest
and save it from the fate that overtook
602
00:46:04,959 --> 00:46:08,880
so many ofMadagascar's animals
in the recent Past.
603
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,200
So, why d id the elepha
nt bi rd d isa ppea r?
604
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,520
It cou ld have been cli mate cha nge,
605
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,840
wh ich tu rned m uch of its la nd
i nto desert.
606
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,521
It cou ld have been that people destroyed
the forests where it browsed.
607
00:46:27,601 --> 00:46:30,881
I dou bt if it was h u nted to exti nction.
608
00:46:31,201 --> 00:46:33,761
Anyone who's seen a n ostrich i n the zoo
609
00:46:33,841 --> 00:46:37,161
knows it's got a kick
that ca n open a ma n's stomach.
610
00:46:37,361 --> 00:46:40,921
And a n en raged elepha nt bi rd,
ma ny ti mes the size of a n ostrich,
611
00:46:41,001 --> 00:46:43,842
m ust have been tru ly
a form ida ble opponent.
612
00:46:44,162 --> 00:46:47,922
I suspect it was these, its egg.
613
00:46:49,082 --> 00:46:52,122
They may not have been a ble
to tackle a n ad u lt bi rd,
614
00:46:52,242 --> 00:46:56,522
but they cou ld ta ke its eggs, wh ich
were a h uge sou rce of nou rish ment.
615
00:46:57,642 --> 00:47:01,483
And so I th i n k it's proba bly these
a re the reason
616
00:47:01,563 --> 00:47:04,363
why the elepha nt bi rd is no longer here.
617
00:47:08,043 --> 00:47:13,163
Even if the bird itself was held in awe,
or maybe fear, by the PeoPle here,
618
00:47:13,283 --> 00:47:15,803
they might not have had too much trouble
in robbing it
619
00:47:15,883 --> 00:47:18,084
ofits huge, nutritious eggs.
620
00:47:18,564 --> 00:47:22,804
So, although there were several factors
threatening the bird's survival,
621
00:47:22,884 --> 00:47:25,244
it could have been PeoPle
eating the eggs
622
00:47:25,324 --> 00:47:27,924
who dealt the sPecies its final blow.
623
00:47:36,365 --> 00:47:40,485
Today, we 've come to realise that,
ifyou want to Preserve a sPecies,
624
00:47:40,605 --> 00:47:44,525
you have to Preserve the whole community
ofPlants and animals.
625
00:47:46,525 --> 00:47:49,805
Some PeoPle here are trying
to tackle that Problem.
626
00:47:54,046 --> 00:47:57,406
Rainer Dolch manages one such grouP
in indri country.
627
00:47:59,606 --> 00:48:02,206
I asked him how much forest remained.
628
00:48:03,006 --> 00:48:05,086
As we spea k, it's very frag mented.
629
00:48:05,166 --> 00:48:07,806
U nfortu nately, i n
th is pa rticu la r a rea,
630
00:48:07,886 --> 00:48:10,607
we have a lmost no
conti n uous forest a ny more.
631
00:48:10,687 --> 00:48:14,047
Th is is a frag ment
of a bout 800 hecta res.
632
00:48:14,287 --> 00:48:20,767
One crucia l issue for conservation is
to li n k these frag ments with each other,
633
00:48:20,847 --> 00:48:24,487
so that there cou ld be genetic excha nge
634
00:48:24,567 --> 00:48:27,888
between pla nt a nd a n i ma l species
that live there.
635
00:48:27,968 --> 00:48:30,808
So if they rema i ned
as frag ments, rea lly,
636
00:48:30,888 --> 00:48:33,928
the i n ha bita nts, the a n i ma l i
n ha bita nts, a re doomed, h u h?
637
00:48:34,008 --> 00:48:36,088
Yea h, that's pretty m uch the case,
638
00:48:36,168 --> 00:48:39,848
a nd there is stud ies
concern i ng the i nd ri, for i nsta nce,
639
00:48:39,928 --> 00:48:45,969
sayi ng that a m i n i
m u m size for a forest
640
00:48:46,049 --> 00:48:51,289
i n wh ich the i nd ri ca n su rvive
is a bout 1,000 to 1, 2 00 hecta res.
641
00:48:51,769 --> 00:48:53,465
- So you have to li n k them u p.
- Exactly.
642
00:48:53,489 --> 00:48:54,889
And how a re you doi ng it?
643
00:48:54,969 --> 00:48:58,889
Well, one th i ng that we try to do
is actua lly re-esta blish
644
00:48:58,969 --> 00:49:02,090
the ra i nforest
i n between these frag ments
645
00:49:02,170 --> 00:49:08,170
by pla nti ng trees that we actua
lly ra ise i n th is n u rsery here
646
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:11,210
from the seeds that we collect
i n the forest.
647
00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:16,410
And how's it goi ng?
H ow ma ny a re you repla nti ng?
648
00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:21,811
Well, we now have repla nted a n a rea
of a bout 1,000 hecta res.
649
00:49:22,491 --> 00:49:27,651
You, idea lly, have at least 60 species
per hecta re that you pla nt,
650
00:49:27,731 --> 00:49:29,451
so th is is ki nd of ha rd work.
651
00:49:29,531 --> 00:49:32,491
H ow ma ny trees do you th i n k
you have pla nted?
652
00:49:32,691 --> 00:49:37,892
If you ta ke 1,000 trees per hecta re
as a ru le of th u m b,
653
00:49:37,972 --> 00:49:41,452
then th is ma kes slig htly more
tha n a m i llion trees now.
654
00:49:41,772 --> 00:49:44,052
A m i llion trees i n how ma ny yea rs?
655
00:49:44,132 --> 00:49:46,412
That's i n th ree yea rs of pla nti ng.
656
00:49:46,492 --> 00:49:50,252
Fa ntastic. A m i llion i n th ree yea rs.
That is a lot of trees.
657
00:49:59,173 --> 00:50:01,773
Th is is j ust so hea
rten i ng a nd exciti ng.
658
00:50:01,853 --> 00:50:04,017
H ow long do you th
i n k you ' re goi ng to
659
00:50:04,029 --> 00:50:06,253
be before you ca n com
plete these corridors?
660
00:50:06,333 --> 00:50:11,334
Well, I wou ld say that proba bly
you wou ld need 2 0 yea rs or so
661
00:50:11,414 --> 00:50:15,774
to be su re that the trees repla nted
have actua lly re-g rown
662
00:50:15,854 --> 00:50:18,534
to someth i ng that you 'd ca ll a forest.
663
00:50:18,774 --> 00:50:22,494
So we wou ld actua lly look at
a ll these reforested a reas
664
00:50:22,574 --> 00:50:25,214
for the next two decades to come.
665
00:50:27,054 --> 00:50:30,015
Projects li ke th is
a re wonderfu lly encou rag i ng.
666
00:50:30,095 --> 00:50:35,095
When I was here 50 yea rs ago,
we had no idea how com plex
667
00:50:35,175 --> 00:50:36,495
forest systems were li ke th is
668
00:50:36,575 --> 00:50:39,735
a nd how d ifficu lt they wou ld be
to reconstitute.
669
00:50:40,335 --> 00:50:43,175
But pla ns li ke that ca n on ly work
670
00:50:43,255 --> 00:50:46,256
if they have the su pport
of the loca l people.
671
00:50:53,336 --> 00:50:55,976
South of Tana, in the central highlands,
672
00:50:56,056 --> 00:50:59,456
there's a new initiative
which is an insPiring examPle
673
00:50:59,536 --> 00:51:01,776
ofhow a Iocal communityProJect
674
00:51:01,856 --> 00:51:05,017
could helP the future
of the country's wildlife.
675
00:51:05,577 --> 00:51:09,377
The coordinator of this ProJect,
Eugénie Raharisoa,
676
00:51:09,457 --> 00:51:12,257
told me that the PeoPle here
have very Iittle to Iive on,
677
00:51:12,337 --> 00:51:15,497
and that they need their Iocal forest
to survive.
678
00:51:45,499 --> 00:51:49,819
So, in order to Provide work for Iocal
PeoPle which doesn 't destroy the forest,
679
00:51:49,899 --> 00:51:52,979
Eugénie has helPed set uP a scheme
to Produce silk,
680
00:51:53,059 --> 00:51:57,420
which, by tradition, the Malagasy use
to weave a magnificent fabric.
681
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:03,460
First ofall, the caterPillars
ofa Particular moth
682
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:05,740
are released into the forest.
683
00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:12,541
When they change into cocoons,
they're collected.
684
00:52:22,301 --> 00:52:25,741
Then the silk is unwound from the cocoon
685
00:52:25,821 --> 00:52:31,022
and sPun into a thread, which is dyed
and, ultimately, woven.
686
00:52:32,542 --> 00:52:35,542
The scheme has created work
for all the women in the village,
687
00:52:35,622 --> 00:52:38,182
including Marie Razafumala.
688
00:53:06,904 --> 00:53:11,184
This ProJect has comPletely changed
PeoPle's attitude to their forest.
689
00:53:11,384 --> 00:53:14,544
The villagers now have an incentive
to Protect the trees,
690
00:53:14,624 --> 00:53:17,184
which Provide them with
such a valuable income.
691
00:53:17,264 --> 00:53:20,585
And that, of course, in turn,
Protects the wildlife.
692
00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:27,825
Initiatives Iike this silk ProJect
bring hoPe for the future ofMadagascar.
693
00:53:29,945 --> 00:53:33,265
For a young man, the Zoo Quest triP
was an exciting adventure
694
00:53:33,345 --> 00:53:35,985
to what was then,
in television terms at Ieast,
695
00:53:36,065 --> 00:53:37,785
an unexPlored Iand.
696
00:53:38,386 --> 00:53:41,786
Coming back after Ø years
has been really fascinating.
697
00:53:41,866 --> 00:53:43,746
This time, I won 't be returning home
698
00:53:43,826 --> 00:53:46,066
with a collection ofanimals
for the London Zoo.
699
00:53:46,146 --> 00:53:48,786
But I will be coming back
with a greater understanding
700
00:53:48,866 --> 00:53:51,706
ofhow and why Madagascar has changed.
701
00:53:52,826 --> 00:53:56,227
I've seen a country
which has been heavily exPloited.
702
00:53:56,427 --> 00:54:00,747
But I've also seen glimmers ofhoPe
for the future of the wildlife here.
703
00:54:00,827 --> 00:54:02,587
Andl've been thrilled to get so close
704
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:05,707
to some ofMadagascar's
most wonderful sPecies,
705
00:54:05,907 --> 00:54:08,907
a reminder ofJust how sPecial
this island is.
706
00:54:15,308 --> 00:54:18,668
Fiftyyears ago, I found the egg
of what was surely among
707
00:54:18,748 --> 00:54:22,228
the most sPectacular ofall the animals
to evolve here.
708
00:54:22,508 --> 00:54:25,868
Now, there is still one final detail
to fill in.
709
00:54:26,468 --> 00:54:29,748
How old is my egg
and what might that tell us?
710
00:54:33,869 --> 00:54:36,269
Here, in the basement of
the archaeological dePartment
711
00:54:36,349 --> 00:54:39,549
at Dxford University,
there's a carbon dating aPParatus
712
00:54:39,629 --> 00:54:44,149
which can accurately find the age
ofancient obJects, natural and manmade.
713
00:54:46,469 --> 00:54:47,710
It's a comPlicatedProcess,
714
00:54:47,790 --> 00:54:51,150
involving all kinds of
very soPhisticated techniques.
715
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:56,710
But I've been told that Thomas Higham,
who took the samPle from my egg,
716
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:58,430
has got a result.
717
00:55:00,350 --> 00:55:02,550
You took a ti ny bit of th is, I know.
718
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:05,951
- A very sma ll a mou nt from the back.
- A very sma ll a mou nt.
719
00:55:06,031 --> 00:55:08,231
And tell me, come on, what's the a nswer?
720
00:55:08,311 --> 00:55:12,351
Well, ou r date suggests that th is egg
is 1, 300 yea rs old.
721
00:55:12,431 --> 00:55:14,631
- N o.
- Yes. Yea h.
722
00:55:15,071 --> 00:55:17,311
- Say it aga i n, 1,000...
- 1, 300 yea rs old.
723
00:55:17,391 --> 00:55:19,711
And that puts it at what date?
724
00:55:19,791 --> 00:55:22,392
About 700... 600 to 700 AD.
725
00:55:22,672 --> 00:55:24,592
And d id that su rprise you?
726
00:55:24,672 --> 00:55:26,876
U m, I thoug ht it was
q u ite a lot you nger
727
00:55:26,888 --> 00:55:28,912
tha n I thoug ht it
wou ld be, actua lly.
728
00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:30,688
- You thoug ht it was you nger?
- And I say that... I d id.
729
00:55:30,712 --> 00:55:34,152
And I say that beca use I checked back
on a ll the other eggshell dates
730
00:55:34,232 --> 00:55:36,792
that we've dated from Madagasca r
from th is species,
731
00:55:36,872 --> 00:55:41,953
a nd the you ngest date that
we've ever got is a bout 900 AD.
732
00:55:42,713 --> 00:55:45,113
H ere is 600 AD, 800 AD.
733
00:55:45,473 --> 00:55:48,233
And you r dates a re these ones
that j ust sit i n here.
734
00:55:48,313 --> 00:55:49,489
These a re the you ngest ones.
735
00:55:49,513 --> 00:55:52,473
So it's q u ite a recent one,
i n terms of...
736
00:55:52,553 --> 00:55:54,033
It is, i ndeed.
737
00:55:54,353 --> 00:55:59,194
So th is, i n fact, was one of the last
of the elepha nt bi rds.
738
00:55:59,274 --> 00:56:03,594
I th i n k, with i n 1 00 to 2 00 yea rs,
perha ps, yes.
739
00:56:04,514 --> 00:56:05,554
Ah.
740
00:56:06,994 --> 00:56:09,554
The ch ick that ca me out of th is
was one of the last.
741
00:56:09,634 --> 00:56:11,354
Absolutely a mazi ng.
742
00:56:12,354 --> 00:56:13,450
When do you th i n k it d isa ppea red?
743
00:56:13,474 --> 00:56:18,835
I th i n k somewhere before 1,000 AD,
it was exti nct, la rgely exti nct, yea h.
744
00:56:22,275 --> 00:56:23,691
So there we have it.
745
00:56:23,715 --> 00:56:26,795
My egg is L, ØØ years old,
746
00:56:26,875 --> 00:56:31,236
and one of the most recent eggs of
its kind that the university has dated.
747
00:56:31,316 --> 00:56:34,156
But that doesn 't mean that it was
the Iast ever Iaid.
748
00:56:34,236 --> 00:56:36,516
And it could be that some of these
astounding creatures
749
00:56:36,596 --> 00:56:39,036
Iived on until much more recently.
750
00:56:39,756 --> 00:56:43,436
But what we have discovered is
that elePhant birds and human beings
751
00:56:43,516 --> 00:56:47,436
did manage to Iive alongside one another
for hundreds ofyears.
752
00:56:48,477 --> 00:56:51,597
So it wasn 't the usual story
offinding a new sPecies
753
00:56:51,677 --> 00:56:54,517
and then exterminating it
within a few decades offinding it,
754
00:56:54,597 --> 00:56:57,277
as haPPened with the dodo in Mauritius,
755
00:56:57,357 --> 00:57:00,677
a much smaller island
not far away from Madagascar.
756
00:57:01,597 --> 00:57:05,357
Nonetheless, the elePhant bird did,
ultimately, disaPPear,
757
00:57:05,437 --> 00:57:09,438
another examPle ofhow human beings,
in their ever-increasing numbers,
758
00:57:09,518 --> 00:57:13,358
can so easily have a Iethal effect
on the animals around them.
759
00:57:17,518 --> 00:57:23,759
For me, th is egg is a rem i nder of
how easy it is for species to d isa ppea r
760
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:25,359
a nd be exterm i nated,
761
00:57:25,439 --> 00:57:29,399
as h u ma n bei ngs ta ke over
more a nd more of the natu ra l world.
762
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:31,799
But there is hope.
763
00:57:31,879 --> 00:57:36,039
We u ndersta nd more a bout ecology
a nd ecosystems,
764
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:39,959
more a bout what needs to be done
to protect the natu ra l world.
765
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,720
And I hope, certa i n ly, that we ta ke
those lessons to hea rt i n Madagasca r
766
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,800
to save its wonderfu l wi ld life,
767
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,040
for it is, i ndeed, a
n isla nd of ma rvels.
72006
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