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[suspenseful music]
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- I think I saw
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"The Wolf of Wall Street"
movie alone.
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I had received a call
from Jordan Belfort
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asking me if I wanted
to attend a premiere.
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- Martin Scorsese's film,
"The Wolf of Wall Street,"
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tells the real life story
of Jordan Belfort.
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- The one-time stockbroker
spent 22 months in prison
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for fraud
and money laundering.
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Leonardo DiCaprio playing you
glamorizes you.
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- I'd prefer him than
Danny DeVito playing me.
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- $100 million in box office.
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- Sex, drugs, bad language,
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and people just treating
each other horribly.
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- Five Oscar nominations.
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- I appeared very, very
briefly in his book,
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so I had more than
a little bit of trepidation.
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- When I went
to go see the movie,
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I felt like wearing
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a paper bag
with the eyes cut out.
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- Of course,
a Martin Scorsese movie is
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shot beautifully from
a technical point of view.
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The scenes on Wall Street make
everybody look glamorous.
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- I sat in a movie theater
and cried.
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- I was watching
my life on screen.
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It was surreal.
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[intriguing music]
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- Are we ready?
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Is everyone rolling?
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- I solemnly swear--no.
[laughs]
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- Hold on for one second.
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- I used to get worried
when I heard sirens.
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- Those aren't the police
coming for me, right?
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Huh?
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- Have you ever told your
story publicly before?
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- No.
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- How's it feel sitting here?
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- I'd rather be
in the dentist's chair.
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That's pretty bad.
[chuckles]
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- Why are you here today?
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- Actually, I was there.
I lived the life.
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- Kind of asking
for forgiveness, in a way.
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- There's a lot of reasons why
somebody would say no to this.
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- It's important to get
the story out there
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because Jordan called
me a fat fuck in his movie.
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- Donnie, that fucking
fat piece of shit.
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- A lot of the movie
was bullshit.
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This is the truth.
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- The story "The Wolf
of Wall Street" tells
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is a narrative that
Jordan Belfort created.
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- You know the truth
about Jordan Belfort?
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He was never called
the Wolf of Wall Street.
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- No one ever called
Jordan "Wolf."
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- The movie doesn't even
accurately portray
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the level of insanity
that occurred.
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- There wasn't
enough hookers, drug use.
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Really missing from the movie.
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- Young people today
think that movie is real.
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They admire the person
in that movie.
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Show me how you sell me a pen.
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- Sell me this fucking
pen right here.
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You sell that.
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- The movie was just a way
of making him a celebrity,
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and he then used that.
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- The one thing
I've learned tonight is
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how to sell a pen
from the master salesman.
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- People don't know
the real Jordan Belfort.
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- We got married.
I think I was 23.
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The highs were really high.
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The lows were really low.
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- What's missing
from the movie is
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that there is a price to pay.
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- In real life,
he destroyed people's lives.
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- People lost money.
People got hurt.
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- There was fallout
for everyone.
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- Did Jordan get away with it?
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- Well, God punished
me later in life.
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- Now I'm a convicted felon.
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- Betrayal.
Here it comes.
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- For a lot of people, the
American dream in this story
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turned into
the American Nightmare.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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[gentle music]
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♪ ♪
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- So I've had this video
collection for years.
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I was always into taking videos
back in the Hampton days.
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Then when I met up
with Jordan in 1991,
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I started taking videos of us
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with all
the different adventures
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that he brought me to.
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- My name is Ross Portenoy,
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and I had the honor
and pleasure of being
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friends with Jordan Belfort
and Nadine Belfort,
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AKA the Wolf of Wall Street
and the Duchess.
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We had some crazy, wild times.
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- And my life was very
surreal during those years.
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I was living the lifestyle
of the rich and famous.
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The drugs were going around.
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It was chaos.
It was wild.
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- These tapes have been
with me for 30-some odd years.
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- "The Wolf of Wall Street,"
for the most part,
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whether it was the book
or the actual movie,
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was through Jordan's lens,
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and a lot of it is
for Hollywood.
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What I lived was
the actual life.
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And I'm doing this
today to explain
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to the people that idolize him
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that you don't know
the other side of him.
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- When you picture
Jordan Belfort,
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what five words come to mind?
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- First of all,
he's not my friend.
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- Confident.
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- Extremely persuasive.
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- Manipulative.
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- Very, very smart,
incredibly selfish.
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- And arrogant.
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- He was a chameleon.
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- He's, you know,
the antihero.
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- He was constantly high.
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- Pays no attention to the law.
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- A rat.
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- And absolutely no remorse,
no conscience.
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- Midget, scumbag,
lying piece of shit,
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although I think
I went six words.
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- When Stratton first started,
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I invented the system
for training salesmen.
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We was legit.
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We were trying to make
our clients money,
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and that was great.
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- You know,
he's a great salesman.
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He sold garbage,
but he was a great salesman.
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- Sales isn't about
what you sell.
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You're always just
selling yourself.
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- I know him since
I'm ten years old.
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We were best friends.
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I grew up in his house.
He grew up in mine.
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If you've been betrayed
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by whoever's the closest person
you've ever had in your life,
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you'd get close to why
this is difficult for me.
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My name is Andrew Greene--
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[grunts]
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And I unfortunately fit
right into the middle
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of the whole discussion.
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The only question is, you know,
what you want to discuss.
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But it's not just
Stratton Oakmont for me.
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It's very personal.
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- Was there a character
based on you in the movie?
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- Yes.
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- Was it Rugrat?
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- I called him Rugrat because
of his piece-of-shit hairpiece.
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- First of all, no one
ever called that name to me,
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at least to my face.
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And if he ever did,
I'd have my foot up his ass.
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And he knows it.
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I grew up in a great place.
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Bayside, New York.
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I moved there when I was ten.
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Jordan was a different person.
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He likes to think
of himself now as, you know,
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Mr. Wall Street and debonair.
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That wasn't him growing up.
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He was the complete opposite.
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But he was always smarter
than everyone else.
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Got it from his mother.
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The place that I grew up
was very competitive.
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We would be playing
basketball one day,
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baseball, swimming, whatever.
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But Jordan wasn't
the greatest athlete.
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He was smaller.
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And when it came to girls,
you know,
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it was a difficult time
for him.
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He lacked self-confidence.
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Yeah, I hate to tell you,
but when we were growing up,
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he would have to put
lifts in his shoes
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'cause he was upset
of how short he was.
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He would take hormone shots.
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To me, it wasn't really
the physical growth.
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He needed to grow in here.
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We didn't grow up in wealth.
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It was a middle-class
neighborhood.
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All the things that he had
later on in life,
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none of us had.
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[up-tempo music]
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- Growing up, we used
to hang out at Jones Beach.
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The concession stand was
a quarter of a mile
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from where the water was.
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And to walk that
in the hot, hot weather
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to get a drink was crazy.
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So along comes this
little guy, Jordan Belfort,
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who I knew from my friends
and from Bay Terrace,
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selling ices out of a cooler.
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- When we were in high school,
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we're selling ices
on the beach.
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You know, I'd sell
a cooler or two
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and sit down and enjoy my day.
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He was a fanatic about it.
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Italian ices come
in these paper cups,
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and he'd squeeze
the bottom of the cup
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so he'd have to put
less ices into each cup.
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- Jordan realized he now
didn't have to put
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two full scoops of ices in,
and nobody knew he was making
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literally thousands
of dollars every summer.
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- And he really grew
selling ices to an art form.
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- In the beginning
when he was young,
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Jordan was definitely
a much more humbled Jordan
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because he wasn't making
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anywhere near
what he wound up making.
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He was just starting.
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My name is Robert LoRusso.
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I met Jordan when I was
maybe 19 or 20 years old.
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I would consider us really
very, very close--
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almost, I would say,
even best friends.
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The Hamptons has
really changed a lot.
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When we were growing up,
we would go out there
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on weekends to party.
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This is the Studio 54 days,
by the way,
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so disco was very big.
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We would rent a hotel room,
go to the beach the next day.
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There were bikini contests.
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We were young.
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We were in our 20s.
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On one occasion,
I was at a club,
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and in front of us was Jordan.
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We were both trying to get
this one girl's attention.
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Um, how can I say this?
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And we--let's just say
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we became friends
with her together.
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Well, she liked both of us,
and we both liked her.
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And I think we left the club,
and we spent time together.
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That's all.
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- All three of you?
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- Yes.
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- Jordan had
a meat business as well.
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He would knock
on people's doors,
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and he would say, listen,
I have my boss's truck
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full of meat and fresh shrimp.
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And if I didn't sell them,
he's going to end up firing me.
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I could give you
a great price on it.
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Those products were also
a part of a scam
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because the 16-ounce steak
only weighed 12 ounces.
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He would take water
in a syringe,
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and he would inject shrimps
to make them look larger
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than they actually were.
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- Jordan was an expert at
learning what people wanted
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to hear to get them to buy,
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whether it's ices,
whether it's steak or stocks.
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- After working as
a meat and fish salesman,
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he gets a job at
a real Wall Street firm,
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L.F. Rothschild.
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[percussive music]
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Wall Street at that time
was the golden ticket.
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It was like an
infinite number of ways
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that you could get rich.
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Anybody could make money
if they were good and smart.
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I'm Pat Hurtado.
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I'm a reporter
for Bloomberg News,
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and I cover the courts.
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- For the last five years,
it's been party time
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on Wall Street with
record high after record high.
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- Jordan seemed
to be doing well,
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but then he had
the unfortunate bad luck
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of having worked there
when Black Monday happens.
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- In trading rooms on
Wall Street, there was panic.
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- The stock market crash cost
investors $500 billion.
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- Black Monday was
devastating.
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People lost
their life savings.
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And it was a huge setback
for Jordan Belfort.
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Most of the people
on Wall Street suddenly
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found themselves
without a job.
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- When I started looking
through
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the "help wanted" section,
I stumbled upon an ad
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for stockbrokers
out in Long Island.
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I didn't even know what it was,
but I was desperate.
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- Eventually, Jordan is
able to get a job
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at this place called
the Investors Center,
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which is right out
of the movie.
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- It's 3¢ a share.
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That's $3, you cheap fuck!
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- It's a boiler room operation,
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a high sell, pushy--
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get grandma on the phone.
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She answers by accident.
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A boiler room is when
an army of cold callers
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use very aggressive tactics
to sell stocks
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to unsuspecting members
of the public.
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- Took the job,
and the first day,
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shattered the company record.
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But this was different
'cause I had this--
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this moment of clarity.
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I was making a million bucks
a year myself
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as a stock broker,
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but I could train
any human being,
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regardless of age, race, creed,
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color,
socioeconomic background,
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educational status--
didn't matter.
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They could have this much
desire and I could amplify it,
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and in six months,
they'd be rich too.
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- When Jordan was
at Investor's Center,
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I know he was
doing well there.
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I remember we had, like,
a little celebration
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when he made his first million.
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[mellow music]
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He bought
the West Hampton house
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when he was very young.
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So on the weekends,
that's where we would go.
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It was pretty much
an open party--
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people at the beach,
people in the water,
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people in the pool,
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people in the bathrooms
doing drugs,
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people in the basement
doing drugs,
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people upstairs in
the bedrooms doing drugs,
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people on the roof doing drugs.
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That is what the party
was like.
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It was a lot of fun.
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♪ ♪
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Jordan didn't really talk
much about Investors Center,
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but I know he was
making a lot of money.
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He's like, I could
just do this myself.
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[pensive music]
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- In 1989, I got
a call from Jordan,
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and he told me he wanted
to start a firm.
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What did he need to know?
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I'm known as Ike Sorkin.
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I started out of law school
at the SEC as a trial attorney.
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Hi.
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And then I went into
private practice.
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At the time, Jordan was
working for Investors Center,
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a small boiler room
with a bunch of brokers
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who didn't know the difference
between a stock certificate
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and a parking ticket.
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They were trying
to sell companies
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that really had no worth.
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And I said to Jordan,
if you wanted to start a firm,
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you're gonna get in trouble
if you didn't do it right.
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He thanked me,
and he disappeared.
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♪ ♪
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- In 1989,
Jordan and I met up.
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And Jordan said he started
this brokerage firm
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called Stratton Oakmont.
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I knew a bunch of brokers
working for him.
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He recruited most
of the guys from Bayside.
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- One day, we were
in Puerto Rico.
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Jordan was married
to Denise, his first wife.
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They were in love.
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They were very active,
from what I remember.
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We were chilling in the pool.
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The girls were on
their lounge chairs.
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And I said,
how's the business going?
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He goes, good.
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He asked me, do you want
to become a partner?
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Maybe $100,000 for 10%,
something like that.
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I said, no, you know,
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I don't know anything
about that industry.
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You know, that decision I made
was probably a good decision,
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'cause I'd probably
be in jail right now.
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[upbeat music]
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- The lessons
Jordan Belfort learned
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from the Investors Center,
he took with him,
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creating this little
mini-empire out in Long Island
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called Stratton Oakmont.
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And within a few years,
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it was one of the most
successful boiler rooms
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in the country.
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For many of the people
that he hired,
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Jordan Belfort became
their inspirational leader.
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- It was crazy
partying going on.
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- People snorting coke,
people doing ludes,
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traveling the world.
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These young brokers all wanted
to live the same lifestyle.
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- He's the Pied Piper.
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He had these guys march
to his beat of his drum.
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- It was a good scene
in the movie where you had
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these young kids
coming into the firm,
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all looking for jobs.
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- What's all this?
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- It's the "Forbes" article.
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They all want to work
for you now.
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- He knew what to say
to a bunch of kids
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and promised them
you're all gonna be
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millionaires someday.
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And people believed him.
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- The perfect candidate was
young, dumb,
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broke, and hungry.
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My name is Howie Gelfand,
and I was at Stratton
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from '89 till it closed.
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I grew up in Flushing, Queens.
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My childhood was
really nothing special
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other than the fact that
that's where I started
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to become a--
you know, a fat fuck.
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The reason we eventually
moved out to Long Island
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is because I was stabbed
in the arm with a lead pencil
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by a girl in the boys' room
for my lunch money.
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Now, a little fat kid,
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last thing you want to have
to give up is your lunch money.
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And as soon as that happened,
the Jewish mother said,
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that's it.
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We're packing up, and
we're going to the suburbs.
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We moved out to Long Island.
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And little by little,
I started to see
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how the other half lives.
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I was, by far and away,
the poorest kid
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in a very wealthy neighborhood.
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And I said to myself,
I need to make money.
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After high school,
a friend called me and said,
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Howie, I have found a job
that is right up your alley.
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This is built for you.
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When I joined the company,
I was 22.
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I was the baby of the bunch,
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and there were probably
20 to 25 people
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at the company at most.
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- I don't know
who said it, but,
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if you remember the '60s,
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that meant you weren't
really there.
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And you could say
the same thing about Stratton.
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My name is Richard Bronson,
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and after working on
Wall Street for several years,
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I ended up working
at Stratton Oakmont.
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[lilting orchestral music]
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The company that
I first started at
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was Shearson Lehman
American Express,
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which no longer exists.
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And I moved to Bear Stearns,
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which, of course, is
no longer there either.
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But then I worked
for Lehman Brothers,
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and that's another firm
that no longer exists.
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As a stockbroker,
your commissions are
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paid on a monthly basis.
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So every month,
you're starting from zero.
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♪ ♪
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And I'm thinking, if I'm
gonna take this sort of heat,
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I gotta at least make sure
I'm gonna earn a living.
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I was out of the business
for a few weeks,
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and I happened to run into this
guy who I used to work with.
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And he said, I'm at a firm
called Stratton Oakmont,
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which I had never heard of.
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00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,329
It's in Lake Success,
New York.
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And he's talking about
sort of a warehouse area.
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It's amazing what's
happening there.
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He goes, let me
show you something.
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And he opens up his wallet,
and he pulls out a paycheck.
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And it was something like
for $80,000 or $90,000.
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And I said,
do these checks clear?
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[car honks]
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- Before Stratton Oakmont,
I spent years getting sober.
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I was a drug addict.
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I had a heart attack
when I was about 25 years old.
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I was almost homeless,
and I got sober.
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The miracle of it is,
I'm the only one that
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was sober at Stratton Oakmont.
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I'm the only one who
could tell the truth.
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[chuckles]
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My name is Jordan Shamah.
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I worked at Stratton Oakmont
for around six or seven years.
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I was working
in the Garment District,
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selling dresses, sportswear,
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00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,652
and a very old friend
of mine called me and said,
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would you like
to become a stockbroker?
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I said, yeah, right.
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00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,787
[chuckles] Yeah.
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He showed me a paycheck for,
like, 80,000 for the month
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and said, come work
for this company
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called Stratton Oakmont.
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The parking lot was
full of nice cars.
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And Danny Porush brought
me in.
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00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:39,455
- Danny Porush was Jordan's
partner at Stratton Oakmont.
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He was an ex-garmento, as were
a lot of Jordan's brokers.
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00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:46,114
So Danny, in the film,
was played by Jonah Hill,
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who is multiple characters.
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There was a part of
Howie Gelfand as well.
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00:20:51,989 --> 00:20:54,862
And Danny was
a wild and crazy guy.
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He was married to a girl
who, ironically--
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it is very true--
was his first cousin.
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- Yeah, my wife is
my cousin or whatever,
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but it's not like
what you think.
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00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:07,178
- Is she, like, a first
cousin or is she--
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- Her father is
the brother of my mom.
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00:21:09,659 --> 00:21:12,314
- Danny had three children
with his first cousin.
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00:21:12,488 --> 00:21:15,143
Fortunately, all
three children are OK.
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Danny loved, loved,
loved to party.
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00:21:20,714 --> 00:21:23,151
Jonah Hill played Danny
really well in the movie.
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- Here's what we do with
subpoenas at Stratton Oakmont!
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- As far as just his
wild and crazy stuff.
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00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:29,723
[cheering]
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00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,509
Jordan was the brains
behind the business.
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00:21:33,683 --> 00:21:37,818
Danny ran the daily routines
and controlled the brokers.
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00:21:37,992 --> 00:21:41,125
- Danny immediately said,
you gotta come work here.
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Jordan had an office
next door to Danny.
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I walk in,
and Danny introduces me.
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And Jordan wasn't
impressed with me at all.
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00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:55,575
He's not very tall,
5'7", maybe.
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00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:57,794
But he was wearing
cowboy boots,
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00:21:57,968 --> 00:22:00,057
which was sort of funny.
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00:22:00,231 --> 00:22:03,365
- I thought if I kissed
this fucking guy's ass,
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00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:06,499
you know, I'm gonna move
up quicker in the ranks.
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And in terms of the interview,
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I was 3 pounds of sausage
in a 2-pound bag.
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00:22:13,288 --> 00:22:16,422
But I did very well.
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00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:20,121
He said, Howie,
of course you're hired.
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And that was my
entrance into hell.
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00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:31,915
- Hello, sir.
This is Jordan Shamah.
502
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,308
I'm calling you
from Stratton Oakmont.
503
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:34,918
How are you doing today?
I know you're busy.
504
00:22:35,092 --> 00:22:36,398
I'll get right to the point.
505
00:22:36,572 --> 00:22:38,008
Are you familiar
with Stratton Oakmont?
506
00:22:38,182 --> 00:22:39,488
- When I first got to Stratton,
507
00:22:39,662 --> 00:22:45,102
I didn't know if I was
gonna succeed, fail.
508
00:22:45,276 --> 00:22:47,844
You start out
as a cold caller.
509
00:22:48,018 --> 00:22:49,411
- Sir, with your permission,
all I would like to do
510
00:22:49,585 --> 00:22:51,631
is introduce
myself and my firm.
511
00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:54,764
- You're going to be
making 300 calls a day.
512
00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,767
- And the cold caller's
role was to generate
513
00:22:57,941 --> 00:23:00,857
leads for the broker.
514
00:23:01,031 --> 00:23:03,643
The one thing the movie,
I think, got right was
515
00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:06,210
when he was teaching
them the sales pitch.
516
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,604
That part of the movie
was accurate.
517
00:23:08,778 --> 00:23:11,346
- Welcome to Stratton Oakmont.
518
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,304
- I think he was telling them
the name Stratton Oakmont,
519
00:23:13,479 --> 00:23:15,568
they flew in on
Plymouth Rock or something.
520
00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:19,006
- Our very founders sailed over
on the Mayflower
521
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,964
and chiseled the name
"Stratton Oakmont"
522
00:23:21,138 --> 00:23:23,227
right into Plymouth
fucking Rock.
523
00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:24,751
You got it?
524
00:23:25,273 --> 00:23:26,796
- He brought out a script,
and he went through the script
525
00:23:26,970 --> 00:23:28,972
with them, and that script
was very accurate.
526
00:23:29,146 --> 00:23:32,933
- You finally found a broker on
Wall Street that you can trust
527
00:23:33,107 --> 00:23:36,850
and who can consistently
make you money.
528
00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:39,069
Sound fair enough?
529
00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:40,941
- I gotta say,
I'm pretty impressed.
530
00:23:41,115 --> 00:23:42,943
- All you had to do
to be successful
531
00:23:43,117 --> 00:23:46,207
was follow the script
and use the rebuttals.
532
00:23:46,381 --> 00:23:49,079
They would give you
a Xerox copy
533
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:53,127
of objections and rebuttals
for the things
534
00:23:53,301 --> 00:23:57,261
that the person that you were
pitching would inevitably say.
535
00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,002
And as depicted in the movie,
536
00:23:59,176 --> 00:24:01,352
it was very, very similar
to the way we would
537
00:24:01,527 --> 00:24:03,050
do it at Stratton Oakmont.
538
00:24:03,224 --> 00:24:04,573
- I don't know you.
You cold called me.
539
00:24:04,747 --> 00:24:05,922
You're a total stranger.
540
00:24:06,227 --> 00:24:07,489
- I am in complete
agreement with you.
541
00:24:07,663 --> 00:24:08,795
You don't know me.
I don't know you.
542
00:24:08,969 --> 00:24:10,449
- Let me introduce
myself to you.
543
00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,059
- One of the typical
rebuttals was,
544
00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:13,800
I get a lot of these calls.
545
00:24:14,061 --> 00:24:16,150
Mr. Jones, you should be
very happy about that.
546
00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:18,065
You're a successful
businessman.
547
00:24:18,239 --> 00:24:20,067
It's when you stop getting
these people calling you
548
00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:21,764
is when you really
have to worry.
549
00:24:22,025 --> 00:24:23,940
The guy says he's
happy with his broker.
550
00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:25,464
That's great.
551
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:27,683
I'm only asking that when
I share an idea with you
552
00:24:27,857 --> 00:24:30,904
and you can make money,
you have an open ear.
553
00:24:31,078 --> 00:24:32,645
Is that fair enough?
554
00:24:32,819 --> 00:24:34,603
- You sound like
a pretty sincere guy.
555
00:24:34,777 --> 00:24:37,040
- Like in the movie,
Jordan would teach us,
556
00:24:37,214 --> 00:24:39,521
you put your hand
on your heart.
557
00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:42,045
If we really, really
knew each other,
558
00:24:42,219 --> 00:24:43,699
this wouldn't be a yes or no.
559
00:24:43,873 --> 00:24:47,398
This would simply be
a question of how much.
560
00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:49,836
- When I would train
stockbrokers,
561
00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:55,406
I would say, if you were going
into the ring with Mike Tyson,
562
00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:57,408
you would certainly
expect that he would
563
00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:59,236
try to hit you in the head.
564
00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:01,630
Would you not have
a plan for that?
565
00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:04,285
- I remember I say to
a guy who said no to me--
566
00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:06,330
I said, listen,
just say no ten times.
567
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:08,463
Just do it.
You're gonna do it anyway.
568
00:25:08,637 --> 00:25:10,291
Say no ten times,
and let's talk business.
569
00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,860
- When the guy goes, well,
I gotta ask my wife,
570
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:15,775
you better have
an answer for that.
571
00:25:15,949 --> 00:25:17,167
- Are you kidding me?
572
00:25:17,341 --> 00:25:18,517
You talk to your
wife when you got
573
00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:20,127
to hire the landscaper too?
574
00:25:20,301 --> 00:25:21,781
- You make every
decision with your wife?
575
00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:22,999
Be a man.
576
00:25:23,173 --> 00:25:24,784
[tense music]
577
00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:27,090
- Mr. Jones, could
you do me a favor?
578
00:25:27,264 --> 00:25:29,528
Put your right hand
in your right pocket.
579
00:25:29,702 --> 00:25:31,486
Move it over a little bit.
580
00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:33,793
Now take a good squeeze.
581
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:38,058
What do you feel,
grapes or grapefruits?
582
00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:40,147
I get it, fine.
583
00:25:40,321 --> 00:25:42,758
You know, buy 100 shares.
584
00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:44,630
You wore him down.
585
00:25:44,804 --> 00:25:48,155
- When you got the yes,
you'd hang up the phone,
586
00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:51,811
and there'd be a cheer,
because you just went to war,
587
00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:53,508
and you won the war.
588
00:25:56,293 --> 00:25:58,731
- The first time I walked
into Stratton Oakmont,
589
00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:00,863
I remember it very vividly.
590
00:26:01,037 --> 00:26:04,127
You pulled up, and you saw
all the luxury cars--
591
00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:07,217
you know, Mercedes,
a Ferrari, a Testarossa,
592
00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,568
car after car after car.
593
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:11,265
You walked in.
594
00:26:11,439 --> 00:26:14,007
It was exactly like the movie,
men on the phone
595
00:26:14,181 --> 00:26:18,577
yelling, screaming, hustling
and bustling, mayhem.
596
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:20,666
You have to understand,
I had only worked
597
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,190
in legit
professional environments.
598
00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:25,105
So was this typical?
599
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,715
Was this normal?
600
00:26:26,889 --> 00:26:28,238
This was not.
601
00:26:28,412 --> 00:26:30,240
My name is Donna Schlessinger,
602
00:26:30,414 --> 00:26:32,373
and I worked
at Stratton Oakmont
603
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,810
in the corporate finance
department.
604
00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,465
I met Jordan through
a friend of mine.
605
00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:40,860
He said, I want you
to come work at Stratton,
606
00:26:41,034 --> 00:26:42,513
which I thought was
a little strange.
607
00:26:42,688 --> 00:26:44,864
I don't have any
background in finance.
608
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:47,083
I have zero interest
in finance.
609
00:26:47,257 --> 00:26:49,651
I was a young, married person,
and I knew
610
00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:51,784
that we wanted
to start a family.
611
00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:54,047
And he dangled
a very attractive salary
612
00:26:54,221 --> 00:26:56,571
in front of me.
613
00:26:56,745 --> 00:26:58,442
- Since the beginning
of Stratton Oakmont,
614
00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:00,967
there was always
a meeting in the morning
615
00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:03,186
and a meeting when
the market closed.
616
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,362
- They were inspiring,
and I think
617
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:07,669
that really, really
set the tone
618
00:27:07,843 --> 00:27:10,193
for the brokers for the day.
619
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,282
- I was at a couple
of the morning meetings.
620
00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:15,721
Jordan would go, Joe Blow,
what did you gross last month?
621
00:27:15,895 --> 00:27:18,898
And Joe Blow would say,
I grossed $250,000.
622
00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:21,248
And Jordan goes,
that's outstanding.
623
00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:22,641
Come up here.
624
00:27:22,815 --> 00:27:23,990
And the broker would
come up to the front
625
00:27:24,251 --> 00:27:25,556
where Jordan was
giving the speech,
626
00:27:25,905 --> 00:27:27,863
and he'd hand him
a brand-new Rolex watch.
627
00:27:28,037 --> 00:27:31,258
These young brokers
were rewarded.
628
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:33,739
They all wanted to live
the same lifestyle.
629
00:27:33,913 --> 00:27:36,350
And that's how he got
them motivated every day.
630
00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:39,396
- In the meetings, I had them
visualizing their success.
631
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:40,746
I would talk about the life.
632
00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:42,399
None of the kids went
to college, okay?
633
00:27:42,573 --> 00:27:44,706
They were not the lucky
sperm club members.
634
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,621
And the first thing
I said to them was this.
635
00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:48,971
You sit behind this desk,
you say the words I teach you,
636
00:27:49,145 --> 00:27:50,407
you can become as powerful
637
00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,105
as the most powerful CEO
in America.
638
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:53,846
- We had training every day.
639
00:27:54,281 --> 00:27:55,891
I used to give motivational
meetings to the cold callers,
640
00:27:56,065 --> 00:27:57,284
and I used to tease them.
641
00:27:57,850 --> 00:28:00,069
I used to take a $100 bill
and say, I could rip this.
642
00:28:00,243 --> 00:28:02,202
They'd freak out.
643
00:28:02,376 --> 00:28:03,943
They'd freak out.
644
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:08,295
- How am I gonna motivate
500 animals
645
00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:11,864
to be phone terrorists today?
646
00:28:12,038 --> 00:28:15,781
- The cold callers were
paid very, very little.
647
00:28:15,955 --> 00:28:19,872
And if they were willing to do
crazy things to entertain us,
648
00:28:20,046 --> 00:28:22,483
we'd be willing
to give them money.
649
00:28:22,657 --> 00:28:25,616
- These two twins offered
to hook themselves up
650
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:30,056
to a car battery
for ten seconds for 10 grand.
651
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:31,971
Well, the partners looked
at each other and said,
652
00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:33,102
you know what?
653
00:28:33,276 --> 00:28:34,974
We're in.
654
00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:37,063
You could see them shaking,
655
00:28:37,237 --> 00:28:40,675
and they could only hold on
for 8 seconds.
656
00:28:40,849 --> 00:28:42,285
- Did they ever get paid?
657
00:28:42,459 --> 00:28:44,548
- No, they never got a dime.
658
00:28:45,506 --> 00:28:46,942
- For a couple hundred dollars,
659
00:28:47,203 --> 00:28:49,510
you'd have to eat
a cup full of wasabi.
660
00:28:49,684 --> 00:28:51,686
And there was always takers.
661
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:54,471
- The goldfish story is
one of the few true stories
662
00:28:54,645 --> 00:28:56,038
out of that movie.
663
00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:58,562
They just showed
one person eating the goldfish
664
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,522
when the truth is it was two--
665
00:29:01,696 --> 00:29:03,393
Danny eating
the black goldfish,
666
00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:07,876
and yours truly ate
the other goldfish.
667
00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:09,878
- There was a sales assistant,
668
00:29:10,052 --> 00:29:12,751
and just like in "The Wolf
of Wall Street movie,"
669
00:29:12,925 --> 00:29:14,535
if she would shave her head,
670
00:29:14,709 --> 00:29:17,538
she had a chance
to get $5,000.
671
00:29:17,712 --> 00:29:20,019
That actually occurred.
672
00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:23,283
- I don't think anybody
realizes that they're
673
00:29:23,457 --> 00:29:26,155
a part of a cult while
they're in the cult.
674
00:29:26,329 --> 00:29:28,201
[somber music]
675
00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:32,379
The sexism, the condescension,
676
00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:36,600
the objectification of women--
677
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:40,169
I mean, none of that
would fly today.
678
00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:43,694
Women really weren't put in
important positions of power.
679
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:46,436
All of the decisions
got made by men.
680
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:49,918
♪ ♪
681
00:29:50,092 --> 00:29:53,269
- I would say the first
big change that I saw was
682
00:29:53,443 --> 00:29:54,880
when we started making money.
683
00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,534
Even though he was
married to Denise,
684
00:29:57,708 --> 00:30:03,671
his first wife,
that's when he started--
685
00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,979
you know, womanizing,
I'll call it.
686
00:30:07,153 --> 00:30:09,372
And that's how he met Nadine.
687
00:30:09,546 --> 00:30:11,810
Right away, he was
mesmerized by her.
688
00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:14,247
I think she was a model
or something.
689
00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:15,988
- Nadine was a beautiful girl.
690
00:30:16,162 --> 00:30:17,641
She was on commercials.
691
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,208
She was from Brooklyn.
692
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:21,994
She had a very cute smile,
good personality,
693
00:30:22,168 --> 00:30:25,084
and he was smitten by her.
694
00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:27,608
Nadine in the movie was
played by Margot Robbie,
695
00:30:27,782 --> 00:30:30,437
who did a phenomenal job
with that Brooklyn drawl.
696
00:30:30,611 --> 00:30:31,917
- Cheers.
- Nice to meet you.
697
00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:33,222
- Nice to meet you.
698
00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:34,702
You've got an
awesome place here.
699
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,138
- How'd I meet the Wolf?
- Yeah.
700
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,619
- He had a party at the beach,
at his house.
701
00:30:38,793 --> 00:30:40,316
I went with my boyfriend
at the time.
702
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:43,232
And unfortunately, just
like they show in the movie,
703
00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:46,018
one of his friends
exposed themselves to me.
704
00:30:46,192 --> 00:30:47,758
And then I said
to my boyfriend,
705
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:48,977
we got to get
the hell out of here.
706
00:30:49,151 --> 00:30:50,631
And we left.
707
00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:53,199
Jordan then made somebody
$15,000 in the stock market
708
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:57,507
to set me up to go out
with him and her as friends,
709
00:30:57,681 --> 00:31:00,336
and I had no idea that it was a
whole setup behind the scenes.
710
00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:02,599
- So he was working it
from behind the scenes.
711
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:04,993
- Very early on, yes.
712
00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:07,300
Now, that should have
been a red flag,
713
00:31:07,474 --> 00:31:09,258
but I was 22 and clueless.
714
00:31:15,003 --> 00:31:18,877
- At Stratton, the way
the day typically started was
715
00:31:19,051 --> 00:31:23,533
we had the quaaludes delivered
like a Domino's pizza.
716
00:31:23,707 --> 00:31:26,580
Quaaludes was usually
the first drug you took
717
00:31:26,754 --> 00:31:31,585
because it was a downer,
and then you took cocaine
718
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,414
because then that lifted
you back up.
719
00:31:34,588 --> 00:31:37,373
Jordan would be
the ringleader.
720
00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:40,681
Not even nearly close
to the amount of sales
721
00:31:40,855 --> 00:31:44,206
would have been made
without the drugs.
722
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:45,860
- Quaaludes were, I think,
723
00:31:46,078 --> 00:31:49,081
originally designed
as a sleeping pill.
724
00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:52,258
Quaaludes are no longer made,
as far as I'm aware,
725
00:31:52,432 --> 00:31:54,738
which is probably a good
thing, despite the fact
726
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:57,916
that they were really
and truly a great drug,
727
00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:00,048
and we all loved them.
728
00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:04,966
- People realized
that if you took more
729
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:08,013
than the prescribed amount,
you can get a high.
730
00:32:08,187 --> 00:32:09,188
You can get a buzz.
731
00:32:09,362 --> 00:32:11,755
[upbeat disco music]
732
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,758
They called it
the "I love you" drug.
733
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:17,065
You really--
you loved everybody,
734
00:32:17,239 --> 00:32:18,501
and you told them.
735
00:32:18,675 --> 00:32:21,765
I fucking love you!
736
00:32:22,853 --> 00:32:24,551
- And it's not
like doing cocaine
737
00:32:24,725 --> 00:32:26,945
where you're up all night,
and you crash,
738
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,121
and you feel miserable.
739
00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:32,211
You end the night
with a great night's sleep,
740
00:32:32,385 --> 00:32:35,127
and you're ready to do
it again the next day.
741
00:32:35,301 --> 00:32:37,738
- These guys were doing
drugs like it was candy.
742
00:32:37,912 --> 00:32:40,480
I remember guys would
come in on a Monday
743
00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:43,004
and say, Jordan, look,
can you help me get sober,
744
00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:45,267
'cause I can't
take it anymore.
745
00:32:45,441 --> 00:32:46,747
He said, yeah, I'll help you.
746
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:49,445
They used to throw their
drugs in my garbage can.
747
00:32:49,619 --> 00:32:51,708
By Tuesday, they were
getting high again.
748
00:32:51,882 --> 00:32:54,276
A lot of brokers did drugs
to give them confidence
749
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:56,496
to get on the phone
and do the trading.
750
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,193
- I'm a stranger to this guy.
751
00:32:58,411 --> 00:33:02,502
How could I possibly suggest
that he invests $1 million
752
00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:04,939
into this sketchy stock?
753
00:33:05,113 --> 00:33:09,204
Whereas if you're under
the influence of quaaludes,
754
00:33:09,378 --> 00:33:12,120
you have no inhibitions
at all.
755
00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:14,601
You'll say anything.
756
00:33:14,775 --> 00:33:16,124
[mellow music]
757
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,345
- I would literally paint
a picture as if I was
758
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,957
this 25-year veteran
smoking a cigar
759
00:33:23,131 --> 00:33:25,220
with a $25,000 Rolex
760
00:33:25,394 --> 00:33:28,310
in a big glass office
in Manhattan
761
00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:31,139
and that this guy was lucky
to have me on the phone.
762
00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:34,577
That's why they gave me
that nickname, Velvet.
763
00:33:34,751 --> 00:33:38,929
Often, when I would transfer
them to my sales assistant
764
00:33:39,104 --> 00:33:41,845
to confirm the trade,
it was relayed to me
765
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:45,197
that a lot of these clients
would say to her,
766
00:33:45,371 --> 00:33:49,070
I don't want to bother him,
but what did I buy?
767
00:33:49,244 --> 00:33:52,378
- If you think about what
Stratton Oakmont was doing,
768
00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:53,944
their business model was
769
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,860
cold calling
thousands of people,
770
00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:59,341
selling them what's called
penny stocks.
771
00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:02,040
Calling it a penny stock is
a misnomer
772
00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:04,520
'cause the stock is not
valued in the pennies.
773
00:34:04,694 --> 00:34:08,176
It can be valued
up to $5 a share.
774
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:10,004
Penny stocks aren't traded
775
00:34:10,178 --> 00:34:12,920
on the New York Stock Exchange
or NASDAQ.
776
00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:14,835
They're sold over the counter,
777
00:34:15,009 --> 00:34:17,011
meaning they face
less oversight,
778
00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:19,795
which allows aggressive brokers
to mark up the prices
779
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:21,710
and then pocket
the difference.
780
00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:25,324
- The firm tells
the brokers to sell it
781
00:34:25,498 --> 00:34:27,108
and offers a big commission.
782
00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:29,154
- You know, you could
do so much volume
783
00:34:29,328 --> 00:34:31,634
and have such a markup
on these penny stocks,
784
00:34:31,808 --> 00:34:34,420
whereas instead of making
$200 on a trade,
785
00:34:34,594 --> 00:34:37,900
you could actually make
2,000 or 5,000.
786
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:39,641
[suspenseful music]
787
00:34:39,815 --> 00:34:43,210
- The broker could have
generated commissions
788
00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:45,779
of $5,000, $10,000
789
00:34:45,953 --> 00:34:51,524
for that 15-, 20-minute,
maybe half-an-hour effort.
790
00:34:51,697 --> 00:34:54,962
For someone that only
completed high school,
791
00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:59,488
that was not a bad
half an hour's day work.
792
00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:02,404
- Did you ever think any of
the techniques you were using
793
00:35:02,578 --> 00:35:04,319
were unfair or manipulative
794
00:35:04,493 --> 00:35:06,147
or have second thoughts
about any of it?
795
00:35:06,321 --> 00:35:07,757
- No.
796
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:09,890
Never even occurred to me.
797
00:35:10,064 --> 00:35:11,457
I thought this was the way--
798
00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:13,807
I thought this was Wall Street.
799
00:35:13,981 --> 00:35:16,853
I knew nothing about
the stock market.
800
00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:18,638
I never bought
a stock in my life.
801
00:35:18,812 --> 00:35:20,074
I didn't do anything.
802
00:35:20,553 --> 00:35:23,077
I thought, this is the way
the stock market works.
803
00:35:23,251 --> 00:35:25,819
I wanted to believe it badly
804
00:35:25,993 --> 00:35:28,604
because of the life
it was gonna give me.
805
00:35:30,824 --> 00:35:32,826
[phone ringing]
806
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,088
- Stratton Oakmont.
807
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:35,568
How may I direct your call?
808
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:37,831
- When I started
out with Stratton,
809
00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:40,834
I had a close group of friends
that I, little by little,
810
00:35:41,008 --> 00:35:43,924
dissociated from because
they could never understand
811
00:35:44,098 --> 00:35:48,320
what I did
and the values that I had
812
00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:51,671
and the money I was making
and the life I was leading.
813
00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:53,412
[laughter and chatter]
814
00:35:53,977 --> 00:35:57,590
So naturally, I gravitated to
the people I was working with.
815
00:35:57,764 --> 00:36:01,724
We ended up spending a lot
of our free time together.
816
00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:04,988
- I had a girlfriend at
the time, very serious.
817
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,425
We were engaged.
818
00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:09,210
And I said, boy, this is crazy,
but I'm gonna make money.
819
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:13,345
This is gonna be great,
you know, very excited.
820
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,085
And...
821
00:36:17,871 --> 00:36:20,308
Unfortunately, my girlfriend
and I didn't work out,
822
00:36:20,482 --> 00:36:22,484
but I was having fun.
823
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:25,531
- Jordan had a separate
wild life with the brokers
824
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,272
and entertaining them,
825
00:36:27,446 --> 00:36:30,884
being out without
his first wife, Denise.
826
00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:33,495
With Nadine, I don't know
how they started dating,
827
00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:36,933
but I know it was
going on for a while.
828
00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:38,848
- I was dating all
these rich playboys
829
00:36:39,022 --> 00:36:40,502
and having the time
of my life.
830
00:36:40,676 --> 00:36:43,897
So he really wasn't
on my radar.
831
00:36:44,071 --> 00:36:46,508
But I'm from Brooklyn.
He's from Queens.
832
00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:48,945
And we just really hit it off.
833
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,644
And then the next day,
as the movie shows--
834
00:36:51,818 --> 00:36:53,211
- You're crazy.
835
00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:54,995
- 1,200 square feet of flowers
836
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:57,737
in my little
800-square-foot apartment.
837
00:36:57,911 --> 00:36:59,565
Yeah, he's "go big or go home."
838
00:36:59,739 --> 00:37:00,827
- He was still married, though.
839
00:37:01,001 --> 00:37:02,698
- He's like, I'm separated.
840
00:37:02,872 --> 00:37:05,353
I have an apartment
in the city.
841
00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:07,877
And I'm like, OK.
842
00:37:08,051 --> 00:37:10,010
- Like in the movie,
Jordan was getting out
843
00:37:10,184 --> 00:37:12,708
of a limousine
in front of his apartment,
844
00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,929
and Denise happened
to be waiting for him.
845
00:37:16,103 --> 00:37:17,844
- Get out of the fucking car!
846
00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:21,064
- Jordan's first wife ripped
open the limo door
847
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,458
and said, you get the fuck
out of the car.
848
00:37:23,632 --> 00:37:26,461
That is total fact.
849
00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:29,943
- I think he was mesmerized
with this Nadine gal,
850
00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:31,684
and he probably made
the decision, like, listen,
851
00:37:31,858 --> 00:37:33,076
I'm becoming very successful.
852
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,165
I think a showpiece
would be nice
853
00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,080
for me to have under my arm.
854
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,735
And he aggressively
pursued it.
855
00:37:39,909 --> 00:37:41,911
- Oh, my God, it was amazing.
856
00:37:42,085 --> 00:37:44,436
I totally got
swept off my feet.
857
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,569
We fell madly, madly in love.
858
00:37:47,743 --> 00:37:49,789
It was just
so fast and furious.
859
00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:52,618
Fancy dinners,
$2,000 bottles of wine.
860
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:54,620
Bulgari watch would
just show up.
861
00:37:54,794 --> 00:37:56,970
It was glamorous and exciting.
862
00:37:57,144 --> 00:37:58,624
Nobody talked
about love bombing
863
00:37:58,798 --> 00:38:00,887
all those years ago.
864
00:38:01,061 --> 00:38:03,019
I just was like, oh,
he loves me so much.
865
00:38:03,193 --> 00:38:06,632
And that could have
been a piece of it too.
866
00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:11,158
But now, in retrospect,
I say this very simply--
867
00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:14,944
if it feels too good
to be true, it probably is.
868
00:38:20,254 --> 00:38:23,562
[intriguing music]
869
00:38:23,736 --> 00:38:26,608
- At my office, I always
had a saying that said
870
00:38:26,782 --> 00:38:28,871
my investigators would
rather work cases
871
00:38:29,045 --> 00:38:31,831
and go after bad guys
than sleep or eat.
872
00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:33,659
It becomes almost
a personal mission
873
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,401
because we see the affront
that's going on to the public--
874
00:38:36,575 --> 00:38:39,273
ruining people, whether
it was Stratton Oakmont
875
00:38:39,447 --> 00:38:41,188
or any of the other companies.
876
00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:42,972
- Can I get a little personal
with you, if I may?
877
00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:44,234
- Go ahead.
878
00:38:44,583 --> 00:38:46,019
- Well, my name is
Joseph Borg.
879
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,629
And back when this all started,
I was director
880
00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:49,979
of the Alabama
Securities Commission.
881
00:38:50,153 --> 00:38:51,503
A lot of folks don't
understand
882
00:38:51,677 --> 00:38:53,983
what state securities
regulators do.
883
00:38:54,157 --> 00:38:55,898
We're sort of like the
local cops on the beat
884
00:38:56,072 --> 00:38:58,814
if somebody has
a financial problem.
885
00:38:58,988 --> 00:39:01,730
We license and register
the stock brokers
886
00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:04,037
who sell to the public.
887
00:39:04,211 --> 00:39:07,519
My office in Alabama--
yes, in Alabama--
888
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:10,826
we got a call one time from
a gentleman who got fleeced
889
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,307
by some broker out
of New York,
890
00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:17,006
but he couldn't remember
who it was.
891
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:20,009
So we started
an investigation.
892
00:39:20,183 --> 00:39:24,840
That grew into
a multi-state investigation.
893
00:39:25,014 --> 00:39:28,148
We start with the victim,
get all their records,
894
00:39:28,322 --> 00:39:31,847
asking them to remember what
the conversations were like.
895
00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:34,197
We're trying to
determine at what point
896
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:38,071
does Stratton Oakmont or any of
these companies cross the line.
897
00:39:38,245 --> 00:39:40,682
What sounds wrong here?
898
00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:44,251
[tense music]
899
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:47,210
- I've never shared
this story before,
900
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,517
just with my wife
and my children.
901
00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:52,390
- Why don't you want
your identity to be seen?
902
00:39:52,564 --> 00:39:54,130
- I don't want
the whole world to know
903
00:39:54,304 --> 00:39:57,917
that I got, you know,
taken advantage of.
904
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:02,008
You know, I lost almost all
the money I had at the time.
905
00:40:02,182 --> 00:40:05,054
I owned and operated
a restaurant in the '90s.
906
00:40:05,228 --> 00:40:07,100
I think I was out front
in the dining room.
907
00:40:07,274 --> 00:40:10,277
I was having my lunch, and
someone handed me the phone.
908
00:40:10,451 --> 00:40:12,322
He says, you know,
I'd like to introduce myself.
909
00:40:12,497 --> 00:40:13,541
I'm from Stratton Oakmont.
910
00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:15,021
We're a stockbroker.
911
00:40:15,195 --> 00:40:16,718
They were talking
about some stocks,
912
00:40:16,892 --> 00:40:19,025
and I think he
mentioned Dr. Pepper.
913
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,723
He told me they
expanded some flavors,
914
00:40:21,897 --> 00:40:23,682
and they were adding desserts.
915
00:40:23,856 --> 00:40:26,336
All the feedback was
very positive.
916
00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:28,948
And he said, we're
a very successful firm.
917
00:40:29,122 --> 00:40:31,254
We've generated
a lot of millionaires.
918
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:34,562
I thought, oh, this is how
people, you know, get wealthy,
919
00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:36,477
investing in stocks.
920
00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:38,958
I didn't have any
experience prior to that.
921
00:40:39,132 --> 00:40:41,395
I bought--I don't know
how many shares it was.
922
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:43,615
I thought it was
a good investment.
923
00:40:43,789 --> 00:40:46,139
So that was a big mistake.
924
00:40:46,313 --> 00:40:48,663
- Usually, if somebody
is guaranteeing something
925
00:40:48,837 --> 00:40:53,407
and there's very little facts
that they actually represent,
926
00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:58,020
they'll say, we have a history
of making tons of money.
927
00:40:58,194 --> 00:40:59,935
♪ ♪
928
00:41:00,109 --> 00:41:02,547
- And then a few weeks later,
he called and said
929
00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:04,244
he had sold the Dr. Pepper.
930
00:41:04,418 --> 00:41:08,161
And I said, whoa.
I didn't authorize that.
931
00:41:08,335 --> 00:41:10,163
He bought some other stock.
932
00:41:10,337 --> 00:41:11,817
I think it was,
like, a penny stock.
933
00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:14,167
We started to have, like,
a little bit of an argument.
934
00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:15,734
And he said,
oh, you'll be fine.
935
00:41:15,908 --> 00:41:16,952
Just stick with me, you know.
936
00:41:17,126 --> 00:41:18,476
It's an amazing company.
937
00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:21,827
It's going to be worth
ten times what it is today.
938
00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:23,481
You'll be so thankful.
939
00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:26,484
He had nothing but good
things to say about it.
940
00:41:26,658 --> 00:41:28,964
So I agreed to buy that.
941
00:41:29,138 --> 00:41:30,531
- It is lying, cheating,
and stealing
942
00:41:30,705 --> 00:41:32,141
any way you look at it,
943
00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:34,143
because
under the securities laws,
944
00:41:34,317 --> 00:41:37,059
brokers have
a duty to understand
945
00:41:37,233 --> 00:41:38,713
not only the client,
946
00:41:38,887 --> 00:41:40,541
but the stock
that they're selling.
947
00:41:40,715 --> 00:41:42,848
That's an inherent duty.
948
00:41:43,022 --> 00:41:45,024
It's required.
949
00:41:45,198 --> 00:41:46,591
- I think you can
steal a lot more
950
00:41:46,765 --> 00:41:49,202
with a briefcase than a gun.
951
00:41:49,376 --> 00:41:51,813
- The problem with a lot
of Jordan Belfort's
952
00:41:51,987 --> 00:41:54,163
boiler room operations is
the brokers,
953
00:41:54,337 --> 00:41:55,730
these young fellers,
954
00:41:55,991 --> 00:41:58,385
probably didn't really
have an idea of exactly
955
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,909
what was going on,
and it gives them an air
956
00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:03,346
of plausible deniability.
957
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,741
But the problem
with "I didn't really know"
958
00:42:06,915 --> 00:42:08,700
means that you probably
had an inkling
959
00:42:08,874 --> 00:42:11,224
that something was wrong.
960
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:14,053
They had to balance
my lifestyle,
961
00:42:14,227 --> 00:42:16,185
my current Mercedes,
nice apartment,
962
00:42:16,359 --> 00:42:18,274
and money to burn,
963
00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:21,495
with, do I really want
to know all the details?
964
00:42:21,669 --> 00:42:24,846
[soft music]
965
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:29,285
- It took me about
a year, year and a half
966
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:33,202
to realize that
something wasn't right.
967
00:42:33,376 --> 00:42:37,946
Christmas Eve, I opened one
of the largest accounts
968
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,209
Stratton ever saw.
969
00:42:40,383 --> 00:42:44,257
Who's calling anyone
Christmas Eve?
970
00:42:44,431 --> 00:42:46,259
A chubby, broke Jew.
971
00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:49,654
Sure enough, I got
this guy on the phone.
972
00:42:49,828 --> 00:42:52,570
I then walked into one
of the partner's offices.
973
00:42:52,744 --> 00:42:56,617
I was as green as
they could be and said,
974
00:42:56,791 --> 00:42:59,577
I have a funny feeling
if that stock goes higher,
975
00:42:59,751 --> 00:43:02,449
like I just told him,
he'll buy more.
976
00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,799
And the partner said, oh yeah?
977
00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:07,715
Oh, good job, Howie.
978
00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:10,631
I walked back to my desk,
979
00:43:10,805 --> 00:43:13,895
and the stock was up
3/4 of a point.
980
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:17,246
- ♪ It's gonna be great ♪
981
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:20,293
- I thought to myself,
am I that fucking smart,
982
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:24,123
or did that guy in that
office just do something?
983
00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:26,691
[dramatic music]
984
00:43:26,865 --> 00:43:28,431
What did I do?
985
00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:31,478
I immediately
called the guy back.
986
00:43:31,652 --> 00:43:35,090
- ♪ There's nothing I'll let
get in my way ♪
987
00:43:35,264 --> 00:43:37,571
- And he bought double
the amount
988
00:43:37,745 --> 00:43:39,965
he had just bought
five minutes ago.
989
00:43:40,139 --> 00:43:42,620
- ♪ Oh, it's starting today ♪
990
00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:47,842
- And that was the first sign
that there was some--
991
00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:50,366
there was some funky dunky
going around.
992
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:54,457
♪ ♪
993
00:44:00,812 --> 00:44:05,164
- So this is now 1991,
and in those couple of years,
994
00:44:05,338 --> 00:44:07,383
Jordan built himself
up a big empire.
995
00:44:07,557 --> 00:44:09,603
He had a lot of brokers
working for him.
996
00:44:09,777 --> 00:44:11,779
- When Jordan started
making money,
997
00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,259
he and the brokers
would go out,
998
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:15,174
and he would wine
and dine them.
999
00:44:15,348 --> 00:44:17,132
It was almost like a harem
that would follow him.
1000
00:44:17,306 --> 00:44:19,265
[percussive music]
1001
00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:21,963
We would frequently
go to Atlantic City.
1002
00:44:22,137 --> 00:44:25,793
- It could be a regular Tuesday
after the market closed.
1003
00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:30,232
- We'd have helicopters
take us to casinos.
1004
00:44:30,406 --> 00:44:33,148
- We would land
on top of a helipad.
1005
00:44:33,322 --> 00:44:35,585
- And the casino hosts would
meet us
1006
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,502
and take us to some,
like, ridiculous suite.
1007
00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:42,462
- The butlers had already
rolled all the joints,
1008
00:44:42,636 --> 00:44:44,464
laid out all the quaaludes.
1009
00:44:44,638 --> 00:44:46,422
We then got fucked up.
1010
00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:47,815
♪ ♪
1011
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:49,904
- Belfort's there,
and Danny's there.
1012
00:44:50,078 --> 00:44:51,427
And they would gamble
1013
00:44:51,645 --> 00:44:53,734
thousands of dollars a hand
in blackjack.
1014
00:44:53,908 --> 00:44:55,475
♪ ♪
1015
00:44:55,649 --> 00:44:58,086
- We'd have what we refer
to as a hoedown.
1016
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:59,653
It was hookers.
It was drugs.
1017
00:44:59,827 --> 00:45:01,350
It was Sodom and Gomorrah.
1018
00:45:01,524 --> 00:45:02,743
It was gambling.
1019
00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:06,051
It was more of this,
more of that.
1020
00:45:06,225 --> 00:45:08,967
- We were all walking
around with a lot of cash,
1021
00:45:09,141 --> 00:45:10,316
and they'd pull out, you know,
1022
00:45:10,577 --> 00:45:12,622
50 grand out of their pocket
in hundreds.
1023
00:45:12,797 --> 00:45:14,712
[somber music]
1024
00:45:14,886 --> 00:45:18,628
And we would seek to get
these poor women
1025
00:45:18,803 --> 00:45:23,242
to do the most disgusting
possible things
1026
00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:26,898
a human being
and a human body could do.
1027
00:45:27,072 --> 00:45:30,553
And we would just keep
pulling out hundreds
1028
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:33,078
until the price was reached.
1029
00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:36,298
And it was such a tragic
thing just to see
1030
00:45:36,472 --> 00:45:39,737
what money could make
somebody do.
1031
00:45:39,911 --> 00:45:43,741
We would do stuff like
that all the time.
1032
00:45:43,915 --> 00:45:48,223
I just hate myself
for acting that way.
1033
00:45:48,397 --> 00:45:51,139
And I paid the price for it,
rightfully so,
1034
00:45:51,313 --> 00:45:53,141
which I'm sure we'll
talk about.
1035
00:45:53,315 --> 00:45:56,754
♪ ♪
1036
00:45:56,928 --> 00:46:00,409
- The lifestyle was
incredible.
1037
00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:03,412
Jordan was absolutely
on top of the world.
1038
00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:05,937
And that was his
whole demeanor--
1039
00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:08,461
keeping everybody happy,
1040
00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:11,420
giving them enough
to keep them going.
1041
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:22,083
- That's my number one post
on TikTok and Instagram.
1042
00:46:24,129 --> 00:46:27,045
--beautiful five-carat
emerald ring.
1043
00:46:27,219 --> 00:46:30,048
He proposed to me in front
of my favorite fast food place
1044
00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:32,615
in Sheepshead Bay,
Roll-n-Roaster.
1045
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:36,097
I mean, at the end of the day,
I'm still a Brooklyn girl.
1046
00:46:36,271 --> 00:46:38,491
So there's all these
grand gestures.
1047
00:46:38,665 --> 00:46:41,276
And yeah, it was fun.
1048
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:43,148
- At Jordan's house
in Westhampton,
1049
00:46:43,322 --> 00:46:45,193
he would have parties.
1050
00:46:45,367 --> 00:46:48,893
- Those parties could be filled
with people by the hundreds,
1051
00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:52,984
and 99% of these people
didn't even know who he was.
1052
00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:56,814
- The Hamptons, you typically
had normal families,
1053
00:46:56,988 --> 00:47:03,124
and here was this house
where it was Sin City, 24/7--
1054
00:47:03,298 --> 00:47:07,172
drugs galore,
hot chicks galore.
1055
00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:10,479
- Then at one point,
Jordan decided
1056
00:47:10,653 --> 00:47:12,351
to give one of his speeches
that he would do
1057
00:47:12,525 --> 00:47:13,961
at Stratton Oakmont
every morning,
1058
00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:17,530
but here it was on
the back balcony of the house.
1059
00:47:17,704 --> 00:47:21,142
- It was exactly as
it appears in the movie.
1060
00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:25,538
He had an upper deck outside
of the master bedroom.
1061
00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:27,670
- It's gonna take this company
1062
00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:30,891
into the fucking stratosphere!
1063
00:47:31,065 --> 00:47:34,373
- He would be up there
motivating, talking them up.
1064
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:35,809
- It was a wild scene,
1065
00:47:36,070 --> 00:47:37,463
and the movie depicted that
pretty well.
1066
00:47:37,637 --> 00:47:39,334
[tape whirs]
1067
00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:44,600
- This is the big Hampton party
where Jordan gives a speech
1068
00:47:44,774 --> 00:47:46,341
and gets everybody riled up.
1069
00:47:57,526 --> 00:47:59,354
[cheering]
1070
00:47:59,528 --> 00:48:02,575
- I was down below
on the pool deck,
1071
00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:05,186
just looking up and
listening to Jordan's speech.
1072
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,233
Everyone else around him
is on the string.
1073
00:48:08,407 --> 00:48:11,671
- The brokers really
felt like they were
1074
00:48:11,845 --> 00:48:13,151
part of something big,
1075
00:48:13,412 --> 00:48:16,154
and it was a privilege
to be included.
1076
00:48:16,328 --> 00:48:17,807
People revered him,
1077
00:48:17,982 --> 00:48:20,027
and he made sure
they looked up to him.
1078
00:48:20,201 --> 00:48:21,507
You're in my home,
1079
00:48:21,986 --> 00:48:24,162
and I'm serving you
lobsters and champagne.
1080
00:48:24,336 --> 00:48:26,686
I don't think anyone
really believed that there
1081
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:30,559
was something coming, looming.
1082
00:48:31,821 --> 00:48:33,606
And even if they did know,
1083
00:48:33,780 --> 00:48:37,697
I don't think they really
thought that it would ever end.
1084
00:48:37,871 --> 00:48:40,700
[pensive music]
1085
00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:43,921
♪ ♪
1086
00:48:44,095 --> 00:48:46,097
- Jordan Belfort and me,
1087
00:48:46,271 --> 00:48:49,448
we sort of had parallel careers
in some respect.
1088
00:48:49,622 --> 00:48:52,799
When he was beginning
his fraudulent career,
1089
00:48:52,973 --> 00:48:56,063
I was beginning my career
catching the guys
1090
00:48:56,237 --> 00:48:57,978
who were doing
what he was doing.
1091
00:48:58,152 --> 00:49:00,633
I think we both underwent
a learning curve.
1092
00:49:00,807 --> 00:49:04,942
In my case, it was really
all about the hunt for me,
1093
00:49:05,116 --> 00:49:07,074
unwinding the best scam
1094
00:49:07,248 --> 00:49:09,903
that a very intelligent guy
could put together.
1095
00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:11,949
I knew I was going
to take him down.
1096
00:49:12,123 --> 00:49:13,776
I never doubted it.
1097
00:49:13,951 --> 00:49:15,953
And he hadn't counted on that.
1098
00:49:16,127 --> 00:49:18,999
[tense music]
1099
00:49:19,173 --> 00:49:26,050
♪ ♪
1100
00:49:41,021 --> 00:49:43,719
- In the early '90s,
the money that was flowing
1101
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:46,461
into these guys' hands
was just unlimited.
1102
00:49:46,635 --> 00:49:49,682
- We were loaded
and powerful and famous.
1103
00:49:49,856 --> 00:49:52,641
- That alerted
the authorities.
1104
00:49:52,815 --> 00:49:56,471
Time to really look into
what these guys are doing.
1105
00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:58,647
- The FBI sets up
a group of agents.
1106
00:49:58,821 --> 00:50:01,041
- Now you're under
full investigation.
1107
00:50:01,215 --> 00:50:04,566
- The organized crime guys
knew what kind of money
1108
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:06,307
Jordan was making.
1109
00:50:06,481 --> 00:50:08,701
- Pressure started
to take its toll.
1110
00:50:08,875 --> 00:50:12,139
- Jordan was ripping apart
furniture, looking for drugs.
1111
00:50:12,313 --> 00:50:14,011
- These cracks are forming,
1112
00:50:14,185 --> 00:50:16,056
and there's going to be
a reckoning.
1113
00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:21,931
[dark music]
1114
00:50:22,106 --> 00:50:24,978
[dark music]
1115
00:50:25,152 --> 00:50:32,333
♪ ♪
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