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Testing, testing.����֡Ё�Place of the interview will be the emergency room Parkwest Hospital.��tC�u@��+��¡��This will be in reference to a felonious assault�� ����� where the victim was strangled by a white male��C�u��I(�ʡāwho left the victim for dead, took her vehicle and fled.��C�u@��e-�����Would you state your full name, please?�������� �Linda Marie Schacke.��}�����iDate of the interview will be 3-6-85.�� �C�u@�炅�����- Ho-Hold on. - Time of the interview was,��ݠ�����8-B, 03:25 a.m.�� ������uHold on a minute.��$C�u@�炥������- When was she attacked? - March 6 of 1985.�� ��ɡÁ �Overnight or somewhere around midnight of the 5th and the 6th.���C�u@�炿������This is like that-that morning.���������Can we go back? I don't know.���ơ���- Is there any way to reverse? - I don't know. We'll try.��NC�u���栚���"REW" is rewind.���������- I-I understand. Thank you. - Mm-hmm.��נ���� \- Are we ready? - Yes.���C�u@���������I asked him where we was going,���������and he kept driving and driving and driving,���ʡā �and then he stopped right on the side of the interstate.�� �C�u@��9�ˡŁAnd I looked at him, and I said, "Are you gonna kill me?"��T�����UHe said, "Yeah," and I said, "Why?"��0����� �He said, "'Cause you're a nuisance."��������:Hmm.��C�u@��+t�����That's when he choked me.��~�͡ǁAnd he kept on, kept on choking me, and I couldn't breathe.�� �C�u��G��͡ǁThe next thing I remember was I was in a round cement hole.��)C�u@��d��š��And I crawled and crawled and crawled up this hill.�� �ȡ �I just crawled towards where I could hear the traffic.�� >C�u@�����ܡցI couldn't see, but I kept thinking that he must be watching me somewhere.����ԡ΁�That's when the Highway Patrol picked you up and brought you here?�� �C�u���8�����Yeah.��=����� 3She sounds really young.���C�u@���f�ʡā- She does sound really young. - Like that's... that's rough.�� 䠳��� �What color is your hair naturally?�� HC�u@��Ŕ�����Brown.��6�����7You've got it dyed red?������� 9Did he make any references to your hair?�������:He-- Yeah, he said something about my hair,��~C�u@���M�š��and I la-- kind of laughed, and I said it was dyed.�� ������ �He looked at me real funny.��������I said, "Are you mad at me?"��[C�u���)�����So that was Linda Schacke, the only known�� [����� \surviving victim of the Redhead Murders.�� C�u@��������{\an8}-The Redhead Murders. - Redhead Murders.��̠ѡˁ�A string of homicides have become known as the Redhead Murders.�� �C�u@��.-�ѡˁTwo weeks ago, authorities discovered the badly decomposed body�� a�ʡā bof a red-haired woman in Cheatham County near Nashville.�� �C�u@��G�ҡ́Last week, another redhead was discovered near Corbin, Kentucky.�� [�ˡŁ \Now authorities in Greene County have discovered the body���C�u@��]�����of yet another redheaded victim.��U�ġ�� �The cases all have several things connecting them,�� Ơ����dincluding the victims' hair color.�� �C�u@��zm�����Five of the six of the women are Jane Does.�� ����� It was the era of Ted Bundy, the Zodiac Killer,�� [C�u@���Ѡǡ��and a string of murders in the '80s across the South.��V�ۡՁWThe killings drew speculation that another serial killer was on the hunt.���C�u@�����á��Three decades, the mystery had remained unsolved.��,��܁-That's when a group of Elizabethton High School students started their research.��tC�u@����ơ��The students spent that initial 2018 spring semester�� ޠסс �gathering evidence, speaking with investigators, building case files.��C�u@���P�ϡɁ{\an8}One of the things you got to have to be a great teacher��T�����U{\an8}is you got to have the kids interested����ѡˁ {\an8}and you got to have them really excited about their work.��~C�u@��ؠ����Through their investigation,��$�����%they were able to identify a potential suspect.�� r������Now teacher Alex Campbell wants to get�� �C�u��#7�Ρȁanother group of students together to continue the research.�� �C�u@��6Ġ����Seven years ago, the only thing we had�� l����� mwere a few newspaper articles.��$�ϡɁ�I want you to look up there and see how far things have come.�� �C�u��X������But now the question's still haunting us:�� ������ �Is there a serial killer getting away with murder�� �C�u��q������right here in our backyard?��OC�u���Ϡ����Growing up here is awesome.��y�����t{\an8}Kids grow up outdoors.��0C�u���t�����{\an8}They just got plenty of woods to hike around in.�� ޠ���� �You got waterfalls,��~C�u���Ҡ����fishing, you know, hunting.�������� \Kind of idyllic.���C�u@��٠����First one in.����ޡ؁ �I swear to you, if my truck is not here, three or four people will text me and say,���C�u��.\�����"Are you sick today?" or "You're not at work today."��$�����%You can't hide in a small town.�� C�u@��Y������I mean, it is a beautiful place...�� J�СʁK...but there are lots of secrets locked up in these mountains.���C�u�����աρElizabethton is a old-school small town in the hills of Appalachia.���C�u����ơ��{\an8}Pretty much everybody that I know is either my cousin�� [����� \{\an8}or distant relative.���C�u��� �á��When I get old and retire, I'll probably be here.�� �C�u@���ߠ̡ƁEverybody helps everybody, everybody cares about everyone.�� ]������My favorite thing about living here.��6C�u@��j�����As far as things they get wrong,�� B�ȡ Cthey feel like we're kind of backwards and a little bit slow.�� �C�u@��2c�����"Let me ask you a question.����¡���Do y'all really not wear shoes back in East Tennessee?"�������� =I'm like, "Yeah, we wear shoes."��aC�u@��M��¡��My family and I have lived here for generations,��+�š��,yet I had never heard of the Redhead Murders cases.�� �C�u@��oQ�����I was just researching online.��0�ҡ́1I started seeing all this information that I had never heard of.���C�u@���w�á��These murders were happening in our own backyard.�� �֡Ё �If nobody remembers them, how are these cases ever gonna get solved?��JC�u���������That's the reason I wanted to teach this case.�� 𠵡��KLike, this is what we're working on.��UC�u���i�����You always hear rumors about Mr. Campbell�� B����� Cbeing that weird, kind of crazy teacher,�� C�u���������but everybody wants to be in his class.�� C�u�� <�����I took sociology about six years ago.�� ������ �You never seen a sociology class���C�u�� ������where they talk about people getting murdered,�� ����� but it is how we study people.�� hC�u@��AѠ����All I'm doing is teaching them sociology,�� Š���� �but it's-it's kind of wrapped up in the story�� �C�u��U������of a person that needs help.���ơ�� I didn't know it was gonna get that big at the time.�� 1C�u��o ����This case really exploded.�� rC�u@���٠����Lashorne,���������- Lee, Lyons... - Here.�������� >- McDuffie... - Here.��<�����{- Metcalf... - Present.��;C�u���������- and Wooten. - Here.��<�á��=All right, so today we are going to try to do something,���C�u@���������and, uh, we'll have to use our brains.���������- It's a little summary activity. - Oh.���������I know, I know, Mr. McDuffie, you better borrow some.�� =C�u��ξ�¡��What have y'all been doing all summer, napping, vaping?�� ����� Yeah.��e�����uWait, did you say yes?���C�u@��你����I'm gonna talk to your dad.��ؠ���� All right, so for the last seven years,�� H�ʡāimy students have been doing a lot of work on a certain project.�� �C�u��������It was ice-cold when we got it.�� �ʡā There hadn't been any movement on those cases in over 30 years.�� [C�u��-�����But over the last seven years,��Ѡġ���those cases have gone from ice-cold to smoking hot, okay?��-C�u@��7-�����But there is still a lot of work left to do.�� Ơԡ΁ �So what we're gonna do this year is actually begin to look at the victims���C�u@��P ����and try to figure out who they are as a human being�� 7�ȡ 8so we can try to figure out maybe who would have killed them.�� �C�u��j�����So late 1984, early 1985,�� m����� nall these bodies started showing up.�� �C�u����¡��They began to notice a pattern that was happening here.���C�u���������So in 2017,���ϡɁthe original class of students looked at all of the Redhead Murders.��DC�u@���Ӡǡ��Now, that was, depending on kind of what source you look at,�� ����� that could be as many as 22, maybe 24 murders.���C�u@���Šġ��So if we think about, uh, this group of 22 to 24 victims,�������what do you think might have been something���C�u�� ������that made people kind of lump them together?�� B����� CUh, race.��㠠���'Okay, race. Very good.���C�u�� !L�����All these women, uh, are white.�� ������ �Body type, all right?��������These were all pretty small.���C�u@�� 8 ����How about age, right?�� r����� sThese were all under 40,�� �¡���usually from late teens to, like, mid... mid, late 20s.��JC�u�� [������{\an8}So how do you get this huge number��y�����z{\an8}down to a group of six to seven?�� �C�u@�� x�ȡWhat do you think are some things that make it more specific?�� g����� hCause of death.��⠛���KThat's very good.�� C�u�� �K�����Let's add our cause of death in here.��~�����What if they were set on fire, thrown off a bridge?�� �C�u@�� ������Too different, right?�� �ӡ́ You guys know, what was the... usually the cause of death in this group?�� �����!- Strangulation. - Strangulation.���C�u@�� �T�����Something up close, personal, with the hands.�� B����� C- Location. - I think location here��%�����ibecomes even more important.���C�u�� ҹ�����Almost all of these were found close...��>�����?interstate or it was a major highway.��C�u@�� ���ˡŁThese weren't women that were, like, snatched off front porches.�� r����� sThese are women whose lives were already in motion.�� CC�u�� ������Uh, anything else? What about time period?�������� �We're not talking about a decade of murder.�� �C�u�� ������What we're talking about is a short, violent storm�� ������ �that happens over about a six-month period�� �C�u@�� 7?�����from late, uh, 1984 to March of 1985.���ʡāReally, there was this inner core, is what we're talking about,�� �C�u�� RJ�����this inner core right here of six to seven women.�� a����� bThat's what the students said, "You know what?��$C�u�� fѠ����We need to look and see if these people��V�����Wcould have been victims of the same serial killer."�� \C�u�� ������{\an8} Whatever he does, he gives it his all.�� �C�u@�� $#�ʡā{\an8}From the time we were teenagers, he's been a powerlifter,�� <�¡�� ={\an8}so weightlifting has been his passion, his thing.�� nC�u@�� FY�����Ooh, that's good wrist control.��U����� �Whole body, Brent, whole body.��ݠ�����And then, um, he got into, uh, reenacting.�� 7C�u�� c0�š��When it's a little brisk, a little cool outside, you know,�� ��� �you can just put this on and...�� �C�u�� x۠����...warms you right up.�� ����� And so he started hand-making primitive things.��OC�u�� �8�����Uh, this is pretty cool.���������I traded a guy for, uh, a mountain lion head,���C�u@�� �頫���uh, skin of a mountain lion head,��+�ϡɁ,and I thought I would make me, like, a really cool cell phone pouch.��DC�u@�� �Z�����He taught himself how to weave on a loom.��Ѡ�����This is like show-and-tell but for big boys.�� Šӡ́�And, uh, then we had the project, he decided we needed to build a cabin.���C�u�� �:�����Alex does not deal with failure very well.�� hC�u@�� ������That's one reason that he gives it��/�����0his all and he goes above and beyond,�� s������because he's just not gonna take no for an answer.�� �C�u�� .�ѡˁ"You can tell me it's not possible, but I'll prove that it is."�� gC�u@�� T������The hardest part about school�� ������ �is it's not set up for real learning.��ˠ����iIt's set up to take a bunch of tests.�� �C�u@�� z������Few years ago, as a teacher,����աρ�I noticed that I'd been losing maybe a little bit of my excitement.���C�u@�� ������Maybe the students weren't that excited either.�� h�ޡ؁�I would love if the whole country was required to do project-based learning.��uC�u@�� ��͡ǁLet's stop doing ridiculous junk that doesn't help anybody,�� �ݡׁ and let's focus on the kind of learning that really does help our students.�� �C�u@�� ߝ�͡ǁI like to think of myself as a rat on the bottom of a ship.��I�����JLet's just say it's the Titanic, okay?�� C�u@�� ���ڡԁSo there's this big, huge machine that's been in motion for a long time.���������It weighs who knows how much.��C�u@�� ������It's got so much momentum.����ȡ�And there's a captain and all kinds of people on there�� ������@that know everything about it,���C�u@�� +ܠ¡��and they've got it going in a certain direction.�� Ơá�� �But the bad news is we're heading for an iceberg,�� C�u@�� ?��ɡÁa collision with something, and it's not gonna be good.�� H����� INow, I'm not the captain.��T������I'm not the secretary of education.���C�u@�� W �����I'm not on the school board.���������I'm not even a principal.��/�ǡ��,So I don't get to hang out up there with the captain,���C�u@�� m1�ˡŁbut I'm just like a little rat at the bottom of the ship.���������But I'm thinking that rats love to chew,�� �C�u�� �������and they chew on wires.��Z�ơ��[And maybe if this rat chews on just the right wires,��C�u�� ��ѡˁI might, uh, change something about the direction of that ship.��'C�u@�� ��ˡŁIf I want my students to care, I mean, like, really care,�� ��ݡׁ �then maybe I should give them something worth caring about in my classroom.���C�u�� ������I've never really been into true crime.��͠���� �I don't like horror films either.��C�u@��!��ˡŁI-I'm-I'm a scaredy-cat when it comes to stuff like that.�� >�͡ǁ�Being a senior, I just don't really know what I want to do.��-C�u��E���߁But last year, I made a journalism piece about how our school doesn't have windows.�� C�u@��Y��ˡŁ{\an8}Why is the simple privilege of looking out a window�� ����� {\an8}not even an option at our school?�� CC�u��m��ǡ��History, band, and finally, in computer applications,�� <����� =we found our first window...�� �C�u@���������but it only looks at another brick wall.�� ��Ρȁ �Even the prisoners in our city have over 200 windows to lo--�� �C�u@�����ߡفWith this class, there's already been so much crazy stuff happen in the past.��͠͡ǁ�I just want to have my camera ready to see what comes next.�� CC�u@���O�ءҁIt's not necessarily true crime, but, like, trying to help someone out�� [����� \could be very powerful.��ݠ����:Yeah, sit up there in the middle.��SC�u���ݠ̡Ɓ- Where the crack is? - You don't have to sit where the crack is.�� ������Okay.��*C�u��������Just start with, like, your name and grade.�� �������Um, my name is Natalie Kodak, and I'm a sophomore.�� �C�u����á��Natalie, uh, she's like, reminds me of my sister.��O�����PWhy did you take sociology?���C�u��'������I took sociology because�� Ơʡā �it was a class that I was taking with my boyfriend at the time.���C�u@��EX�����And then we broke up.��ܠ�����And then he dropped out of the class.�������� �{\an8}Um, so, my name is Shelby.���C�u@��Z������{\an8}Am-am I supposed to look in the camera? Sorry.�� r����� s- No, you're good. - Okay.��_������Shelby is super smart.�� �C�u��u>�����She is very involved in a lot of things.�������KYou cleared left. I'm so proud of you.���C�u���g�סсYou didn't run into Superman or a flock of geese or another airplane.���������Okay, you can go.��C�u��������I'm Austin Lyons. I'm in tenth grade.�� s����� tAustin, uh...��������mysterious.�� rC�u���������Quiet.��[�ڡԁ �Lacey, I don't really know her well, but she does seem very extroverted.�� 1C�u��Է�����Hey!�������� >McDuffie, he's younger.�� �C�u���(�š��He's kind of like the goofy, you know, class clown.�� �C�u@��場���All right, you can sit here in the middle.��0�ġ��1- And then you got someone like Hannah... - Hello.�� �ءҁ...who understands, like, this is super, super important to the class.��OC�u@��'Q�á��Like, this is someone's life we're talking about.���������Well, I originally took this class in my junior year,��,C�u@��>t�ܡցand I fell in love with what we did in that class, so I decided to take it again.�� ޠ¡�� �I told the principal that I didn't care what he gave me�� �C�u@��UC�����as long as I had this class for senior year.�� ����� She is super serious about it.��N�̡ƁcLike, there ain't a day in there that she's joking around.��&C�u@��yn��ځBut, you know, Crimson's someone that's newer to the school and kind of quiet.�� ������ �I was... my...���C�u���d�����I just don't know her that well yet.���C�u@���������Good morning, Cyclones.��N�����OGet ready to bring the energy.��6����� �Our homecoming game is this Friday night.���C�u��ϠɡÁBe loud, be proud, and let's cheer our team to victory.�� [����� \Go, Barnett.���C�u@��* �����- This is all normal? - Oh, yeah.��0�����1Kids don't want to talk to teachers. We're not cool.��נ���� Yeah. We're lame, so...���C�u@��?�ҡ́Yeah, if you stand around a teacher too long, you get a bad reputation.�� �������- Ain't that right, Ms. Luke? - What?���C�u@��S������- Yeah. - Yeah.�������Uh, guys, go ahead and get out your Chromebooks.�������� �Go ahead and have those out. You're gonna need those.��������We can't waste any time. We've only got 45 minutes.�� �C�u��s[�����So we learned about victimology.��x�����yWe've got a lot of similarities between the victims�� C�u@���ܠ����but very little physical evidence.�� C�ӡ́ DI want to see if we can get any more information on the Redhead Murders.��hC�u@���������It might be hard, but we're just gonna have to dig.���š��So I think now is the time for us to do the FOIA requests.���C�u@���C�����Do you guys remember what the FOIA request is?�� 1����� 2Yeah.���������Access to public records and information.���C�u@���ѠɡÁThat's right. So FOIA stands for "Freedom of Information Act."�� ��١Ӂ �It was a federal law that was passed that said certain things are open records��cC�u@��꠼���that anybody in the public should have access to.�� ������ �Do you guys remember anything that we...��Z�ѡˁ�the two big things we should be able to get in the state of Tennessee?�� fC�u@��=�����- Yeah. - Isn't one of them, like, police reports?��%�����&Yeah, the original police report.�� �������What's the other thing that's very important?�� �C�u@��=������We haven't gotten one from anybody yet.�� f����� gUh, years and years we've been looking.��T������You guys remember the other one?��C�u��Ws�����It's the original medical examiner's report.�� ������ �We are entitled to those, okay? Right?�� mC�u@��of�ڡԁAs-as just citizens of this state, you ask for it, they're supposed to give it.����á���Are you guys ready to see if you can get the information�� �C�u@�����ʡāthat you're just supposed to be able to get anytime you want it�� �š�� because you're a citizen of this state and you deserve it?�� mC�u@��Ȅ�����- Sorry... - Blake Miller.�� ��� �...is not available.��������uRecord your message at the tone.��YC�u@���S�����- We haven't... - What do we say? What do we say?��T��܁U- ...or press pound for more options. - Can you give me a call at this number?�� �����uHi. My name is Natalie,���C�u@�����š��and I was wondering if I could file a FOIA request to you.��Ҡ�����If you could just get back at me with this number���C�u���á��or, um, send me a message and give me your email please,�� ������ �that would be great. Thank you.���C�u��)Ƞ����- That was bad. - That was pretty good.��0�����1So what does this request typically entail?�� �C�u��=�����- It's, um... - Public records.�� r����� sWhat-- Access to public documents.�� �C�u@��X �����Oh.��<�ѡˁ=And he told me that they didn't do anything with FOIA requests at all,�� B������and he transferred me to Metro.�� �C�u@��w������We're sorry.�����܁�You have reached a number that has been disconnected or is no longer in service.��PC�u���נ����And then I called Metro, and they said��}�����~that they also didn't do anything with FOIA requests.�� �C�u@������Four numbers.����ɡÁ�This is the one that I called, and if you go all the way down,��,������their official number is that same number.�� CC�u@����͡ǁHow the heck is it not in service if that's their official number?��D�����ERecord your message at the tone.��$C�u��܂�ѡˁWhen you are finished, hang up or press pound for more options.��yC�u@���������Hello, this is Crimson from Elizabethton High School.�� ����� I would like to fill out a FOIA request,��N�Сʁi- and I was-- - To send this message, press pound or hang up.�� =C�u@��3�١Ӂ- To play it, three; to rerecord it, four; - Did she just cut you off?��J�̡ƁK- to add to it, five; to discard it-- - Four. Press four.�� [C�u@��+ڠ����Wooten, did you get anything?��*�����+They just kept transferring me to other phone numbers.���������More helpful people.��0C�u@��A٠����Sure.��;�����<So I'm hoping that you're beginning to see something.���֡Ё�Do you want to know why there's so little information on all these murders?��&C�u@��c������Because everybody for the last 30, 40 years�� �ġ�� that's tried to get this information feels just like you.���C�u���v�����So just because that there's a state law��$�����%that says you have the right to this information�� �C�u���������doesn't mean it's gonna be easy to get.�� ��� �Is that kind of settling in on you guys?��$C�u�����ɡÁThanks for meeting me to discuss a little bit about the class.���������Oh, yeah, nothing to it, man.���C�u@��� �����You know, I'm not too far, so, you know,��$�����%anytime you need me, I'll-I'll be there for you.�� �á��{\an8}Mr. Campbell talked about your class starting out.�� C�u���8�����{\an8}Did y'all have any leads?���������Nothing. Nothing at all.��%����� �It's a shot in the dark.��C�u�������Obviously, that kind of leads into, like, the profile.�� f����� gSo we need to do a serial killer profile.�� �C�u@�����ہIf you know somebody likes to choke, he likes to kill them with his bare hands,����աρ�he can't be a weak little guy that's like five-four and 125 pounds.���C�u@��C�����He's got to have a little meat on him.��̠¡�� More than likely probably gonna be a white male.���C�u��Zf�ǡ��Serial killers tend to like to murder their own race.��,C�u��o������Maybe they have some trauma with a redheaded woman.�� �C�u���K�ӡ́That's kind of where maybe that hatred and motivation comes from.���C�u@���>�ˡŁIf you know somebody's dumping bodies across interstates,��,�̡Ɓ-they got to do a job that has that type of transportation.��C�u���n�����So a truck driver, a UPS man, a mailman.�� �C�u@���7�ۡՁTruck driver, for example, most of the time, they have a cab in the back.���١Ӂ�So they have somewhere to sleep, they have somewhere to hide people in.�� 3C�u����ϡɁI have a little bit of connection, 'cause my dad was a truck driver.���C�u�� Ӡġ��Out on the road, uh, you're basically by yourself,�� [����� \so anything can happen.���C�u@��!+�ɡÁ{\an8}I mean, you know, you can, you can get away with murder.����סс�{\an8} I mean, you know, you really can because nobody's there to watch you.���C�u@�@𠶡��Trucking was deregulated about 1980,�� ������ �and it went from having big trucking companies��~C�u@��V�����with all these regulations and rules...�� s�ġ��t...to these small, unregulated trucking companies.��-C�u��y������Well, the victims really started piling up�� ������ �between late 1984 and early 1985.���C�u@����ˡŁWhy didn't these bodies start piling up in the late '70s?�� 8������It just began to get clear to us���C�u@�����ءҁthat this person has probably started their own small trucking company�� ������ �that doesn't have much oversight.��TC�u@��Ĕ�����And because they have more freedom on the road,�� �ȡ they can do these things that they couldn't do before.�� �C�u���ܠ����So now that you have a killer profile,�� ������ �what were the next steps?��}C�u@����աρMr. Campbell, uh, he has called and tried to contact any police department���������that would listen to him, but nobody would.�� =C�u@��������We were like, we need to share this with somebody.�� ��ɡÁ �We needed a big press conference and a press release for this.��UC�u@��>���Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.��ѠϡɁ�It is my privilege and honor to welcome you to our press conference.���C�u@��V��סсMy name is William Bowers, and I'm a part of Mr. Campbell's sociology class.��񠩡���Mr. Campbell knew, like,�� �C�u@��qq�ءҁsomebody had to start us off, somebody had to set the tone, and he picked me.���סс�37 years ago, a man murdered a woman and laid her body beside an interstate.���C�u@��������Five more women shared the same fate.�� ������ �Today, we are here to recognize these voices��*�١Ӂ�so the people out there with the information that law enforcement needs�� �C�u@���������to identify these victims��~�����and solve these crimes can come forward.���ڡԁ�So many eyes were watching this, and that was the beautiful thing of it.���C�u@��� �����- I thought he was a shy kid, and-and-- - Introvert.��}�����~Yeah, you know, like me.��Ѡ����PAnd you turn on the news and there he is.�� �C�u@���L�����I said, that is my kid.��0�����1And I said, he's talk-- you know, he's talking.��֠���� So it just amazes me.��xC�u��͠����So after the press conference,�� I����� Jwe immediately started getting tips.�� sC�u@��13�����People start to call me...��Z�����[Oklahoma.��0����� �Hello?��_������...saying, "I think I ran into the killer."�� IC�u��Li�����"I think I escaped the killer."��U����� "I think my ex-husband is the killer...�� lC�u@��a�ʡāand we're in a custody battle, so can you call quickly?"��Ѡ�����I mean, it was weird.��������zAnd sooner or later, tips came into TBI,�� �C�u@��|O�����and those leads turn into identifications.�� ����� And that was the first break in over 30 years.�� aC�u@���������It has been more than three decades����ѡˁ�since investigators discovered a woman dead in Campbell County.���C�u@���砺���Now we are finally learning her identity.�� 8�̡Ɓ 9The Campbell County Jane Doe has now been identified as...�� �C�u@���栣���Tina Marie Farmer.��~�����The blanket wrapped around her dead body��������!gave the clues to her killer.���C�u@���ӠȡThey had some evidence that had never been DNA tested.�� ����� So when they tested it...��x������there it is.��eC�u@���̠ǡ��Through DNA evidence, TBI identified Jerry Leon Johns���������as the suspect in Tina Farmer's death.�� �C�u@��J�֡ЁHe was a suspect in 1985, but police just did not have enough proof.�������DNA technology changing��ZC�u@��&��̡Ɓhas made it possible for us to be able to find that match.�� s�ҡ́ �{\an8} And the reason it had his DNA is 'cause he was in prison.�� C�u@��Cf���{\an8}The reason he was in prison is because he tried to kill another redheaded woman,�� ����� {\an8}Linda Schacke.�� C�u@��Y;�ˡŁAnd I looked at him, and I said, "Are you gonna kill me?"�������He said, "Yeah," and I said, "Why?"�������� �He said, "'Cause you're a nuisance."��������i{\an8} Jerry Johns was convicted in 1985.�� \C�u��y�����{\an8} He died in prison in 2015.�� ��¡�� �{\an8} And but for Mr. Johns' own death in 2015,���C�u@���x�̡Ɓ{\an8}he would have been indicted for first-degree murder.�� 頵��� �When you find out it's Jerry Johns,���������now there's a suspect.��YC�u@���e�á��We need to really dig into Jerry Johns and say...�� �á���"He's a serial killer. Did he kill anybody else?"�� JC�u���������All right, students,�� ����� we have a very busy day today.��C�u��㠭���Now, I know it's been a little bit.��C�u@��*꠱���Man, just teaching too much stuff here.�� ��ӡ́ �- You're teaching too much interesting stuff. - I know. I got to quit.�� r�����I got to quit teaching interesting stuff.���C�u@��E������Can I leave North Korea?��&�סс So, we've added a suspect up here, which I think everybody is familiar with.���C�u@��g������What would you say if I told you��S�����Tthat thanks to the FOIA request that you submitted,�� �������we got some stuff that, uh, nobody's ever seen before?���C�u@���K�����I'd believe you.��֠�����Well, I'm hoping you believe me!��Z����� 2- "Would you be excited?" was the question. - Yes.�� �C�u@����š��You guys remember when we talked about the mask of sanity?�� s�Ρȁ 2Hervey Cleckley said that if they have an IQ over a hundred,��C�u@���̠����that usually means they're smart enough to know�� ��ӡ́ �that other people would think there was something wrong with them�� �C�u���B�����if they let their true desires be known.�� 렳��� So they feel like they have to hide that.��$C�u���p�á��And so they present as a normal person, like me and you.��-C�u���������And they do this by putting up this front,�� ꠻��� �which Hervey Cleckley called the mask of sanity.�� �C�u@��3�ġ��So there's gonna be people who have only seen this person��s�����tbeing a really nice, great, upstanding citizen.���C�u@��8�ơ��Every once in a while, somebody might get a little glimpse,�� ������ �especially if they know what they're looking for,��T�����of the person that they really are.�� C�u��T@�̡ƁAnd maybe the only people to ever see them for who they truly are�������may be their victims.���C�u@��n'�����So, what if I told you we had some recordings�� =����� >from the Linda Schacke trial���������and from different people who saw him different ways?�� �C�u���^�����- Play it. - Now.��+����� �Would y'all, would y'all want to listen to that?��������uYes. Yes, now.��_C�u@���3�����- Like now? - Now.��6�����7I was thinking we should probably wait till tomorrow.���̡Ɓ 8- I wouldn't want to do this... - No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.��xC�u@���䠽���Okay, what if I go home and trip and break my neck��~�����and I don't get to see it ever?��ܠ���� \That's a good point.��0C�u���q�����- Anything could happen. - He's got a point.���������Anything...�������� bcould happen.��TC�u@���(�����I want to hear every word, every syllable.�� Š���� �I think the first one we're gonna hear�� ������cis from Jerry Johns', uh, wife.���C�u��/�����At the time he was arrested, they were separated,�� ����� and eventually they would get divorced.�� �C�u�������But she did an interview.��Z�ɡÁ[- Would y'all like to hear what she said about Jerry? - Yes.�� �C�u@��.������You want the truth?��*�����+I was very young.�������� �So I was young, naive and... in love.��C�u��N������So when I met Jerry,�� ؠ���� �I didn't know Jerry was my half brother.�� �C�u@��iߠġ��I don't know if I was 12, 13, something like that.�� ŠΡȁ �And then when Jerry and I had hit it off and stuff on there,��tC�u@��������then that's when they wanted to bring it up.����ѡˁ�And I'm like, "Listen, I'm telling you, it's already too late."��C�u@����ҡ́With being pregnant, I was scared, and I checked with my doctor,�� �á�� �and he said, "Phyllis, let me tell you something.���������Drop the incest, drop all that."�� IC�u@���Ǡ����He said, "It has nothing to do with it.�������Your child is healthy," 'cause I was concerned.�� 8C�u@���H�����He was a very caring person.���������He took care of us.�������� 2He provided for us, asked me if I was hungry,��%C�u@��蠠����if I had to go to the bathroom.��Y�СʁZOnce we had the kids and stuff, talking about the kids, plans,�� g�̡Ɓ�things we'd like to do and stuff, it was more of a family.�� hC�u@�� �����Jerry was no frickin' murderer.�� r����� sVery highly intelligent.��נ����KIn fact, we were getting chased one night.��xC�u@��"ʠơ��And I'm like, "Why are you running from the police?"�� �̡Ɓ And he said, "Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies."�� Ơ�����That was his most famous saying.���C�u��>R�ˡŁAnd he pulls into the police station, best place to hide.�� ������ �He was not stupid.��C�u@��T������He was in jail.���������The police showed the pictures.��x�����'"Damn, them girls look a lot like I did."�� gC�u@��t�¡�� And I'm like, "Whoa, was he trying to kill me?"�� =����� >Just stupid things run through your head.���C�u@�����ʡāIf you knew Jerry, he was too smart and too intelligent.�� �����!He had no reason to hurt anybody.�� �C�u���n�����So, but as far as murder, I never seen it.���C�u���������Thoughts?��5�����6Her first thought was that they looked like her.��WC�u@��؜�ɡÁShe said, "I first thought that those girls look a lot like me�� =����� >when I was their age."����֡Ё�He wouldn't kill her, he was too smart, he'd immediately get caught, right?�� �C�u@����¡��Number one way to get caught is kill somebody you know.��$�����%- Yeah. - But who was he killing?��������Small, white, redheaded women.��'C�u@��������Maybe he was killing women that reminded him of her.�� ������ �That's scary.�� ������It is scary, so thank you for picking that up.�� �C�u��28�����What's going on over here?�� �Сʁ She had said that his mom had slept around and was with other people.��iC�u@��P��¡��And so she... did she know that they were, uh, related?�� ������ �- No. - Not at first.���ɡÁ�- Not until everything started... - She said, "Not at first."���C�u��h��á��He came to stay there when he was in the Marines, right?�� ����� Did you hear that? So 18 or 19.�� IC�u@��H�ʡāShe said, "I was young." She said that like two or three times.�� ������ �Do you know how young she was?��*������- She couldn't have been-- 12, 13. - Like, 12.���C�u���⠥���- She was about 12. - Ew.�� ����� 2Wooten, your eyeballs got big.���C�u@���������You want to say something?��⠶����I don't know. I just wasn't expecting that.��נ���� �I thought she was a little bit older than that.��������iSo she's 12. That's like, what, sixth grade?�� �C�u��ʷ�����But she said, but no, he couldn't be a murderer.�� f����� gHe was just, he was a really nice guy.���C�u@���������Give you the shirt off his back.��ܠ¡���He just the wanted the money to provide for his family.�� r�����PSo he saw-- uh, she saw one side.�� �C�u@���������Would you like to see somebody that saw another side?�� ������ �- Yes. - Yes.��6������This would be David Davenport.�� C�u��頟���- Oh, yeah. - Yes.��6�š��7He was the TBI agent who interviewed Jerry multiple times.���C�u��,������- Want to hear this. - This might be fire.��O�����PDo you think-- Might be fire? Might be bussin'.�� 1C�u@��B#�����"Might be bussin'."���������"Might be bussin'."��5����� �- Do you think he saw a different... - No, shh.��+�����You think he saw a different side?���C�u��\ �����Oh, yeah.��5�����6- Can you handle it? - Yeah.���������He has no soul. It's all empty.�� fC�u@��y4�����Most people have a conscience.�������Jerry Johns had no conscience.��ˠ�����{\an8}He didn't go down without a--��_C�u@���b�����{\an8}Did a-a timeline by his truck logs.��ۡ͠Ձ�Some of it, uh, showed that he could have been involved in more than one.���C�u@���蠷���Whether he picked them up hitchhiking,��̠ɡÁ�whether he met them at truck stops, or at strip places.���C�u���ݠ�܁I think it's just what presented itself with the easiest opportunity at the time���C�u@��쎠ơ��that the urge hit him and he wanted to do something.�� ��ޡ؁�Bottom line, there's a lot of evil people out there, and he was one of them.��dC�u@�� Ơ����Now, you can hang any moniker you want,����̡Ɓ�sociopath, uh, narcissist, uh, uh, psychopath, on anybody.���C�u�� 7������He was basically evil.��̠���� �He had no regard for human life.�� �C�u@�� M������That's the way I see Jerry Johns.��Ҡ�܁ �There was enough circumstances with him being an over-the-road, uh, truck driver���C�u@�� t ����in the strangulation aspect that made us think�� 1�¡�� 2that he may have been involved in more than one.���C�u�� �ˠ����All right, there was a lot of heavy hitters in there.�� ������ �But here's-here's what I want to know.��xC�u�� �Ϡ̡ƁIs Jerry Johns the guy who would give you the shirt off his back?���C�u�� ǰ�����Or was he "basically evil, no regard for human life,��m�����nyou look him in the eye, he has no soul,�� �C�u�� ⻠����he was empty, he was pure evil"?�� ������ �Like, which one is he?��*������Both.���C�u�� ������How can he be both?��נ�����Is he evil or not?��Z����� 3I mean, it's like, it's like high school girls.�� �C�u@��!נ����What?! What?!����̡Ɓ�- You can't-- What? - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.�������� gAll right, we're gonna let you--�� �ءҁtI'm gonna let you talk so you'll never have another date again, but go ahead.�� �C�u@��!,ܠӡ́- They can be friends to each other in their face... - That's... Yeah.��Ѡءҁ�...but then they go home and they can talk crap about them behind their back.�� 8C�u@��!@砳���It's like two different people, you know?���������Two-faced. He's two-faced.��֠���� aAll right, I'm not gonna comment.����ۡՁ- I'm just gonna let your, uh, your comments stand. - Jerry Johns is two-faced,�� HC�u@��![K�ǡ��- is what I would say. - But one real thing before we leave.�������We got like a minute.��1�����So the one person, maybe the only person�� �C�u��!w������that ever saw Jerry for who he really was...�� 𠽡�� �...was the surviving victim, Linda Schacke.�� �C�u@��!�{�̡ƁAnd look, she's spent 40 years of her life trying to forget this.�� ������ �She doesn't like to talk to media.��TC�u@��!���š��So, Andrew, you know that camera you been carrying around?�� ������ �I think it's time to put it to good use.�� mC�u@��!���ǡ��Why don't we send her a video explaining exactly who we are,���á���and if we do a good job, maybe we can be the first class��JC�u��!�������to ever hear from the survivor of a serial killer.��C�u��!����No pressure.������� Did anybody enjoy that today?��`�����uOh, oh, oh! Whoa!�� fC�u@��"ʠ����I can't promise big days like that every day.�� 𠲡�� �Ain't gonna lie, that-that was bussin'.��Y�����KGood job.�� C�u��"*_�����Pretty wild.��נ���� �Pretty wild.��}�����9- You liked it? - That was pretty good.��%C�u@��"E��ǡ��Uh, I hope you-- nothing ever happens between you and Jozey,�� 7�ҡ́ 8'cause once it gets around that you said women are like serial killers,�� �C�u��"\�¡��I'm not sure you're ever gonna get another date, but...��%�����&Eh, it'll be all right.���C�u��"�������Back up.���C�u@��"�v�����How you feel? You think we're gonna win?��*�����+- No. - Homecoming? What you think about home--�������� �- Oh, no. - No chance?���C�u@��"�������- Maybe. - No chance?��6�����7- Maybe. - All right.�������� �- I'm gonna go get ready, rest of the way. - Yeah.����¡���- All right. Talk to you later. Love you. - I love you.���C�u@��"ʆ�ɡÁ- All right. I'll see you. - Guess I'll go take more pictures.�� 𠷡�� And now Elizabethton homecoming 2025,�� �C�u��"�n�ݡׁintroducing Hudson Smith, Andrew Barnett, Justius Wallin and Nathan Bailey.���C�u@��#8�����The young ladies we'll be introducing�������were nominated by their classmates.�� l�����o♪ ♪���C�u��#Y>�����Andrew Barnett and Jozey Reese!���C�u@��#�̠á��I'm officially called "the weird girl" at school.�� a�סс�The other day, I was talking to someone, and they asked me what my name was,���C�u@��#��ޡ؁and I told them, and they were like, "Oh, you're the weird girl people talk about,"��������and I was like, "Oh, thanks."��~C�u��#�Z�����That sucks.��$C�u@��#�x�����{\an8} I had always had a passion�������{\an8}for fostering, um,�� �����{\an8}and I had always wanted kids of my own.�� IC�u��#�Ҡ����- Yeah. - Last year, we got a call for�� ������ �a teenage boy and a teenage girl.�� rC�u��$ܠ����It was Crimson and her brother.����ȡ - Crimson paced for, like, a good six months... - Oh, yeah.��>C�u@��$./�����- ...every day. - I...��`�����aLike, every moment that she was awake, she paced.��������W- Mm-hmm. - Yeah, our normal was��C�u@��$B������if she was in her room, which was most of the time,��x�����ythere was just creak-creak, creak-creak-creak,�� ������creak-creak, creak-creak.��$C�u@��$] ġ��We were like, should we put a carpet on top of the carpet�� ����� so she didn't, like, literally wear a hole?���C�u@�$sm�����...she didn't, like, wear a hole in the carpet,��N�����Oshe paced so much.��������Yeah, I paced a lot.�� �C�u��$�ߠˡŁI recently just got into foster care, like two years ago.��������I love my foster parents.���C�u��$�'�����Now I'm like 17,�� ؠ���� �and I already feel like I have to be an adult.��*C�u@��$�+�����I'm already applying for college and stuff.��Ҡ֡Ё It's hard for me, too, because I came second to last year of school,��C�u��$ⴠ����so it's hard making friends.��+����� �I didn't get to be hyper as a kid.���C�u��$�נ����But high school kids are so, like, edgy and nonchalant�������that they get embarrassed.��+C�u��%Ѡ����You can't have anything.��_�����`You can't even have joy and whimsy.�� �C�u��%.M�����I want to be able to rant about my cookie game,�� ����� and, like, you don't have to care,�� �C�u��%H �����you just have to say "Mm-hmm"��Y�����Z- every once in a while. - Yeah, that's what I do.��OC�u��%^ڠ����I'm still figuring out myself, I think.�� 8C�u��%�������He's, he's very nervous still.��0�����1- Yeah. - He's very, very...��ZC�u��%�ޠ����Now that we know more about the who,�� m����� nI want us to understand more about the why.�� IC�u��%�+�����This is Jerry Johns' criminal record.�� ����� Interesting. Escaped from federal custody.�� rC�u��%�������Now, how do you do that, Jerry? Tell me, please.�� ������ �When he was 15, he stole a car.�� 9C�u@��&ܠ����From there on, he goes AWOL from the military.�� ������ �He gets caught carrying a concealed weapon.��%C�u��&)������He has arson.����աρ�So it doesn't just start when we believe he started murdering them.���C�u@��&?٠����You have a birth certificate.�� ��� �What was his dad's name?���������It wasn't Johns. It was Cogdill.��YC�u��&W̠����It was Lewy Cogdill.��a����� �- We heard the courthouse burned down. - Oh...�� �C�u��&o�ʡāSo when his mom went down there to get him a birth certificate,���C�u@��&���ơ��she said "Johns," even though he was born "Cogdill."�� ��ġ���Have you heard the name Cogdill before with anybody else?�� �C�u��&�۠����Phyllis.�������His wife Phyllis.��T�����VOh, that's the half sister.���C�u��&�'�����So that is the wife slash half sister.��u�¡���But it doesn't look like that on the birth certificate.�� �C�u@��&�.�ҡ́So what's kind of crazy is, when we believe he separates from his wife,���ʡāonly two weeks later, um, the first redhead victim is murdered.���C�u��&�ˠ����Wow.��aC�u��'C�����So with a lot of serial killers, they usually have�� B����� Ca big traumatic event.��C�u@��'4e�ǡ��Yes, most serial killers are going to have a stressor�� ��ءҁ �that will lead to them actually acting out and beginning to take life.�� �C�u@��'M|�š��It's just kind of interesting, after they separate,�� [����� \about six victims show up in about six months.�� �C�u@��'�������Okay, so,��~�����- do you guys see the timeline? - Yeah. - Indeed.��ˠ����KSo I'm gonna see if you all�� �C�u��'�`�����can put things in order. Okay?��&�����'So you'll be getting an artifact.�� �C�u@��'�#�����Might be a picture, might be a news article,�� C����� Dmight be something else.���������Oh, my gosh. She's so pretty in this picture.��NC�u��'�j�����First thing, how about we go with August, uh, 1984?��n�����oUh, Lisa Nichols' body was found in '84.�� BC�u@��'������Lisa Nichols' body was found in 1984.�� ������ �- September. - September.��ܠ����o- Who's got Lisa Nichols' picture? - That's me.��TC�u@��(࠹���Then that goes up right there, September 1984.�� 1����� 2All right, so Lisa Nichols was the first victim found.���C�u@��(=%�����Now, of the six redheaded victims���������that were gonna be discovered during this time,�� Šߡف�Lisa Nichols was the first one to be found and the only one to be identified.���C�u@��(e�����So I started digging online.��N�ΡȁOI found this article that comes out when Lisa is identified.�� \C�u��(�o�����She was found in September of 1984.�� ������ �She was beside an exit ramp,�� 2C�u@��(�Q�����actually found by a hitchhiker.�� �աρ�Wearing a shirt, but nothing else, she'd been there for a few days.���C�u@��(�������At first, nobody recognized her.�� l�ҡ́ mEventually, though, a girl that she was with contacts the police��JC�u��(᳠����and says that she thinks she knows who this is.�� C�u��(������A woman named Lisa Nichols.���C�u@��)W�����Eventually, they tracked down her pimp,�� =�̡Ɓ >and he says that he saw her last, uh, getting into a truck��&C�u��)(������at a truck stop in West Memphis, Arkansas.�� �C�u@��)IΠڡԁUh, it says, "Body Identified As 'Redhead' Murder Victim," Lisa Nichols.���ơ���The subheading says, "Has Long Prostitution Record."���C�u@��)qe�����Why didn't it say, "Has three kids that miss her"?�� 2�ġ�� 3"Doesn't matter who she is, we're gonna get her justice."�� rC�u@��)� �����Why doesn't it say that?���������It's not how society worked...����ɡÁPIt's kind of funny that the first thing they mention about her�� C�u@��)�p�����is she was a prostitute.�������� IDoesn't mention that she had a mom and dad.�������JDoesn't mention that she had kids.�� �C�u@��)�W�ơ��Doesn't mention that she had family members that loved her.�� ��ȡ �Doesn't mention that she has been trafficked by other people.�� �C�u@��)�n�����It just says, "Uh, yeah, and she's a prostitute."�� ��ءҁI think it excuses, like, the fact that they just didn't want to look into it��yC�u@��)������because they saw her as less than.��x�����yI mean, doesn't that tell you a lot?��������!On the first few lines,���C�u@��* �ܡցit says that she has the second-longest prostitution record in Nashville history.��Ӡ�����So when people read her article,���C�u@��*!��ġ��that's what they think of her as just another prostitute,��%�Ρȁ&not as an actual victim who had family and was important to people.�� �C�u@��*5e�͡ǁ- It's so crazy. - They-they say it like it's happened so much.�� ������ �Like they're just over it and they don't care anymore.�� �C�u@��*TY�ҡ́When the media devalued these women, it seemed like the world did, too.��>�ǡ��?And maybe that's why these cases have been cold for so long.��PC�u��*u頝���...in March.��N�����OMarch 1985. Greene County.�� �C�u��*�>�����And then we have... March 1985. Greene County.��n�����oLook at the timeline.���C�u��*���̡ƁAll of this destruction is happening in about a six-month period.���C�u��*�}�����And then, remember, nothing really happens...��͠�����until about 2018.�� �C�u@��*�0�����And to be honest, if this is a six-month period,�� f�Ρȁ gthen this timeline, like when this stuff actually happened on here,��C�u@��*������would be through the wall and through the hallway�� I����� Jand down into the band room, right?�� Š����Does that make sense?��+C�u��+!������I think we should all take a walk outside.�� \C�u@��+A������One, two, three, four, five, six victims right there.��n�����oAnd then Tina Farmer was identified in 2018.�� �C�u��+_ޠ����How many years between 1985 and 2018?��堗����Thirty-three.��ZC�u@��+y�����So if each one of these is six months,��T�ơ��Uhow many of these do we have to go until something happens?��x������Sixty six.���C�u��+�}�����So start counting.���C�u��+�i�����Can they even see us down there?�� ����� - Not really. - Barely.��⠦���They look like an ant, okay?���C�u��+��ΡȁBut if we were gonna make it accurate, that's how far it has to be.�� �������But look at that gap.��`C�u@��+�f�����Can y'all see us?!��_�����`I can barely hear you!�� �ǡ��zThat's how far it is from the murders to the students class!���C�u��, �ˡŁThat's a lot further than it looks like in the classroom, right?���C�u@��,%��š��If you find a really good lead or suspect within 48 hours,�������your chance of solving a murder is about 60 to 80%.��&C�u��,L�ǡ��If it goes longer than 10 years, the chance is less than 5%.��C�u@��,m������Now, there's a few things that can change it.���������Number one, changes in DNA technology.���������- Did that come along? It did. - Mm-hmm.�� �C�u@��,� ġ��But to be honest, DNA started changing in the early '90s.�� ٠ȡ �They could have tested that stuff in the '90s, couldn't they?���C�u@��,�h�����Yeah.����¡���They were doing DNA tests in the '90s, but they didn't.�� 1�͡ǁ�And the other thing is people lose focus and they forget about it.���C�u��,ñ�ѡˁSo what was the importance of the students in January and May of 2018?��QC�u��,������To bring attention back to it.���������To bring attention back to it.�� �C�u@��,�,�ҡ́The chance that any of this work was gonna get done was almost nothing.��I�����JAnd then all this stuff started happening.��~C�u@��-q�ʡāThat 2018 class brought so much attention to the case...�� ��š�� �Why hasn't the murderer and the woman been identified yet?�� C�u@��-7 �����New information in decades-old Redhead Murders.�� f�ơ�� gAn Elizabethton High School teacher and his students��������could be onto a major break in this case.��C�u@��-X������...that it put pressure on local agencies���������to look back into these cases.�� �ӡ́tAt the same time, genetic genealogy was becoming more of a thing.��?C�u@��-{O�ϡɁAnd all of a sudden, things just started to click into place.�� s����� �Breaking news story this morning.����ΡȁnAfter more than three decades, a victim that could be linked�� �C�u@��-�s�ǡ��to the Redheaded Murderers cases has been identified.�� �ʡā �Investigators submitted a sample of the victim's remains�� aC�u@��-�������to a center for human identification.���������They did find a match.��*�����'The victim is 17-year-old Elizabeth Lamotte.�� 7C�u@��-������Elizabeth Lamotte left a youth detention center�� ��š�� �in Manchester, New Hampshire, on November 22, 1984.���C�u��-秠����She was 17.����ȡ�She got a pass to go to the high school football game.�� �C�u@��-�p�����And, uh, she just never came back.�� I�Сʁ-An autopsy revealed her cause of death was trauma to the head.�� �C�u@��.R�ǡ��Her body was found three to six weeks after she died.�������Police couldn't rule out "strangala..."�� mC�u��.5۠����- Strangulation. - "Strangalation."�� ������ �- Strangulation. - Yes.�� JC�u@��.P核���Yet another redhead victim identified.�� �̡Ɓ Her name is Tracy Walker, and she disappeared from Indiana�� �C�u@��.i��ˡŁand ended up dead 400 miles from home in Campbell County.��,�����-Her body found at a backwoods dump site.�� �C�u@��.�������She was called Baby Girl Jane Doe��_�����`because of how small she was��ݠ���� >when she was found.��_�ӡ́�They thought she was in the estimated range of 9 to 15 years old,�� aC�u@��.���¡��so she was very small when they found her bones.�� =�š�� >She went missing from a mall in Lafayette, Indiana.�� 7C�u@��.Ľ�����Strangulation was the suspected cause of death��Ҡѡˁ�based off of evidence that was found near Tracy Walker's bones.��DC�u@��.�ՠ����{\an8} A fifth woman����֡Ё�{\an8}potentially linked to the Redhead Murders has been identified.���C�u@��.�]�ѡˁ{\an8} A corporation specializing in forensic genetic genealogy�� [�ԡ΁ \{\an8}has identified those remains as Michelle Inman of Nashville.��C�u@��/Π����Her name was Michelle Inman.��̠�����She went missing from Nashville, Tennessee,�� l�̡Ɓ:and she was actually in a relationship with a known felon.���C�u@��/:��ʡāU.S. attorney calls Percy Priest bombing an insane plot.����á���It says they planned to use a boat and scuba gear�� BC�u@��/T������to loot the downtown business district����á���once the dam had burst and the river had flooded.�� �C�u��/rj��ށShe was supposed to go in January for the court hearing, and in March she is dead.���C�u@�/�c�����Yet another redhead victim identified.�� 7����� 8The woman has now been positively identified�� �C�u@��/�,�����as Lorie Ann Mealer Pennell.�� ��� �So she got married at a young age, right?�� �����But didn't that seem to be good at first?��$C�u@��/�a�����It was at first,����͡ǁ�but then she fell back into old habits because of her miscarriage.�� ������So we found out that just some random life event�� �C�u@��/������can really derail you, right?��Y�����ZIt looked like she was almost ready to turn it around.����á���And then what happens after her baby was born stillborn?�� C�u@��/�1�����She went back to drugs.�� ��� �On the autopsy, we can see���������it shows she was strangled, and we know it was mostly�� C�u@��0 ؠ����by her shoelaces.����֡Ё�There are some articles that definitely frame her as it's her fault.���C�u@��0- �СʁSomeone who deserved it rather than someone who had it happen to her.��+�����,Like, "Oh, she had it coming," and it's like, "No.�� �C�u@��0E<�����What if it was your mother?"�� Ǡ���� ]That kind of made me want to cry.��������- Yeah, I know. - I'm sort of like tearing up.�� �C�u@��0�Ԡ����At first,���������it seems like a class,��0�á�� �but this isn't just something you learn from a textbook.��&C�u@��0°�����This is real life.��$�����%These are real people.�������� �Lisa Nichols, for example, she had children,�� C�u@��0�t�����and in my mind, I always thought�� ������ �she didn't choose this life.��$�ѡˁ�I would... if that was the only way I was able to take care of my kids��UC�u��0�������and raise them, then I would do anything for my kids.�� C�u@��1��ӡ́My first year I did sociology, Mr. Campbell went around and said,�� ��١Ӂ �"Pick a person in the class and what you liked about their work ethic."��C�u@��1.a�ҡ́A lot of them said me, and I remember one of them clearly saying�� ؠ���� �that I worked so much that it scared them.�� C�u@��1Gx�����Okay, didn't know that was possible.�� Ơܡց �I just was really passionate about it, and I love going through it a second time.��C�u@��1_��ǡ��He gave us that option, whether we can read out the textbook���������or we can change the world and change some lives.�� �C�u@��1נ����She wants to read out of the textbook.��נ�����I wanted to change the world.�� ������These women can't tell their story.�� �C�u@��1������They are not here.���������But Linda is here.����ځ �That's why myself and I'm sure a lot of other students want to speak with her.���C�u��1֮�����Sorry.���������I need you to say your name, your age...��ˠ���� \You need me to?���C�u��1�������I'm William McDuffie, I'm a sophomore,�� r����� s and, um, I'm 16.�� �C�u��2 r�����Let's see.�� <�ԡ΁ =We're mainly shooting the video for Linda to get to meet the class�� �C�u@��2$��ӡ́and give some insight to us about who Jerry Leon Johns really is.�����ځ�What do you think being able to speak with Linda in person or over the phone would do���C�u��2I �ɡÁnot only for the class but for you thinking about these cases?�� ������ �It would help me, um...�� <C�u@��2a��á��put it into more of like a real-world perspective���������instead of just something that we hear about.�� =�ˡŁ�What do you think the most impactful thing you've learned���C�u@��2|������from this class has been so far?�� ������ �To try and help people more��������&than just helping myself.�� =C�u��2������We are all trying our best,��T�����Uand we are all putting in a lot of effort.�� �C�u@��2��š��I'd want to tell her about the progress we've made.�� �ӡ́I think, um, a lot of the work we've done, she would be proud of,���C�u@��2�ՠɡÁand I think she would want to know just the extent of how much��J�����Kwe care for her and women like her.�� �C�u@��2젠����All right, now, I know, Ms. Kodak,���������it's kind of weird to see yourself on TV.�� ������iUm, you know, people feel that way.���C�u@��3۠����I thought you guys were really honest,��~�ȡand you had some really great answers about what you learned.�� ���oYou know no-- you know what nobody said?���C�u��3Π����"I learned how to catch a killer." Nobody said that.�� a����� bYou said things like what?���C�u@��33�����That we cared about her�� �̡Ɓ - and people like her. - I mean, we learned to care about people.���Сʁ I learned to care about somebody other than myself, Mr. Lyons, right?�� rC�u@��3H������Other people need help.��_�����`So I really love that.����ˡŁ �I mean, I think some people think this class is about murderers,��VC�u@��3b��ơ��but at the end of the day, it's really about helping people�� r����� sand figuring out what kind of skills can you bring,�� �C�u@��3x�����sociology and others, you know, to help you do it.�� l�Сʁ mLinda's gonna get the video, and then she will look at the questions.��3C�u@��3���סсNow, you probably understand if we get a chance to send her these questions,�� 7����� 8we want these questions to be as good as possible.�� C�u��3��ơ��I'm just curious how many people know about the case enough�� \����� ]to recognize who she is.��NC�u@��3���ˡŁUh, what did you do after you were discharged from the hospital?�� ؠ���� �I... like, no one really knows until we talk to her.���C�u@��3�K�����I mean, do you ever really think about that?��Ѡӡ́�You see these shows, and, you know, they-- she gets out of the hospital,�� ��š��cshe talks to cops, and then what do you do with your life?��xC�u��3�'�����Do you go to work that night?��*�͡ǁ+Trauma like that, you think that's over in a day, a week, a month?��,C�u��4�����- No. - Ever?�������No.��_�͡ǁ aShe was probably worried someone was gonna, like, blame it on her.�� �C�u@��4.������I mean, victim blaming is a real thing.�� H�ϡɁ ISo they're gonna come up there and say, "What kind of person is she?�� 2C�u@��4E �̡ƁLook at what she's doing. Look at how she's been living her life.�� <����� =Did she ever do drugs?�������EOh, I bet she hung out with people that did drugs.�� �C�u@��4`A�ơ��Oh, she's divorced. I wonder why her husband divorced her."��}�����~Like, they're gonna bring all that up.�� I������Is that-- Do people really want to relive all that?�� gC�u@��4������So I'm curious.��x�����yYou know, what was it like to get up there in court��ˠ͡ǁEand know he's sitting right there and you're gonna tell your story���C�u@��4���ˡŁand know that that man tried to kill you and we're not even sure�������if he's gonna be in jail when this whole thing's over.�� C�u@��4�������"And they're gonna bring up every bad thing I ever did�� ����� and try to make me look as bad as possible."�� �C�u��4��ǡ��And you're just a single mom trying to make it in the world.�� hC�u@��4챠����So here's what we're gonna do.��ݠ�����Hopefully your video is gonna work.��U�ơ���Hopefully, you know, Linda is gonna feel like she knows you�� �C�u@��5 ۠����and she feels comfortable with you��0�����1and you're a great little group of students.������� 8Then we're gonna send her the questions��Z������and see if she'd be willing to speak in some way.��NC�u��5$��á��If nothing else, maybe write some answers. 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