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Welcome to Barcelona.
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Almost 100,000 people here
in the Nou Camp this evening.
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It really is an
extraordinary atmosphere.
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But you do wonder, is Fate now taking
a hand in Manchester United's destiny?
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They have made their own luck with their
boldness and their adventure, but they
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have had just enough luck to
stand here on the brink of history.
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It's the chance of a lifetime, a
treble chance, the likes of which
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knowing this team has had
before or may ever get again.
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1992 is not a year on which I shall
look back with undiluted pleasure.
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One of Manchester's busiest
shopping streets, suddenly a living hell.
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A bomb planted in bushes
behind Kendall's house department
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store showered office
workers with flying glass.
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To smash the poll tax, and
smash the Tories, and then
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the end to the end of
this Tory government itself.
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I've only got one thing
to say, it's nice to be back.
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I can't meet all
this frustration.
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I can't meet all my desires.
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This strange conversation.
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Self-control has just expired.
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All my delusions.
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Only in my head you don't exist.
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Who are you fooling?
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Don't need a string
for an exorcist.
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It's clear tonight that
it is no longer a matter
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of weather, but when
there is a world at all.
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England's
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shattered players
arrive back at the hotel.
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A few hours later, we once again
saw the dark face of English football.
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It has turned out to
be an annus horribilis.
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A club of this size, one would expect,
the platform, the stage, everything,
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is geared to doing
very, very well.
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And that very, very well
means winning the league.
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The first thing I ever did
at United was buy a map.
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I had the map at my wall
at the cliff of Manchester.
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And I got the scouts in.
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I just wanted to make sure that by getting
the map, that all the areas were covered.
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I got all the scouts in,
told them, I want the best
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ball in your team, not
the best ball in the street.
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I was a Man United
supporter, and it's extra
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special when you get
a coaching job there.
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When Sir Alec took over, everybody realised
that he wanted a vibrant youth system.
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And he said to me, straight out,
as typically Sir Alec does, he says,
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I'm not entirely satisfied with
the youth system, you know.
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He'd only been there probably
a few weeks or a month.
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And I said, well, you know, we've had
Norman Wise ride through, Mark Hughes
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through, and he looked at
me with those steely eyes.
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He said, that's not enough.
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I said, do you know how
many local scouts Manchester
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City have got and how many
Manchester United have got?
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When I told him,
he was staggered.
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He was absolutely staggered.
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We had only two
scouts in Manchester.
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The whole of Manchester
had only two scouts.
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Can you believe that?
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And if you think of the
population in Greater
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Manchester, at that
time it was 6 million.
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When I left Aberdeen, the population
of Scotland at that time was 3.
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5 million people, and we
had 17 scouts in Aberdeen.
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And I'm not exaggerating.
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Within a month, it trebled.
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It troubled the scouting
system at Manchester United.
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And that's when we
started getting the players.
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Chaps are smooth like wall Today's the day
she snap To steal what she never could own
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And raise from this
hole she can't solve
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What an absolute warrior.
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What a great player
Nicky Butt was.
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Another Ryan Robson,
without questioning.
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I think he nicknamed
himself One Knock Butt.
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He said, Butt people,
knock on my own side.
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I think lads were always
a bit nervous about giving
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Butt his nickname, cos
you know, he's gonna react.
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He's like, he might
just give you a dig.
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You just don't mess with him.
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Scorsi was like the joker that
got away with it all the time.
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We kind of nicknamed
him the Ghost, you know.
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He'd just disappear
at any moment.
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I know what Scorsi was like.
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He was a little rascal.
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And if somebody's underpants were
missing, I knew it would be Paul Scorsi.
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You've got a kid who's smaller than most,
he's got asthma, he's not the quickest,
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but the best player
I've ever played with.
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Work that out.
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When I first saw Giggsy, I
just saw this really skinny kid.
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There's no flashness to him.
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He's probably the most
down-to-earth superstar I've ever seen.
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I've never met.
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At one minute, he can be the most
serious man in the world, where he can be
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eyeballing somebody and really deep
eyes staring at somebody, and then the next
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minute he can be dancing
on the table doing Elvis.
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The thing that struck me early on
about Becks was his appearance.
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You thought, he's too
pretty to be a football player.
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That was his
nickname, Pretty Boy.
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You just think he's
a flash cockney.
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I used to call him Treacle.
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What, Treacle?
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No, just... That
was his nickname.
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People still all know him.
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I still see him in his red...
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Let's go up Mexico.
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That's how I look at it.
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Busy brothers, busy one and two.
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Nervous Neville's.
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Nervous Neville's, yeah.
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He was a bit jittery
on the ball at times.
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Gary and Phil could be.
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Not always, though.
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I think Freddie Flintoff on
interviews has said that the
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best day of his cricket career
was when Phil Neville retired.
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He then became the best
all-rounder in Lancashire.
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He's just bubbly.
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He's always happy.
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Another difference
from him and Gaz.
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Wow.
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Gary was a geek, wasn't he?
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He was always sorting things out
and everyone started calling him Busy.
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Actually, Busy ****, we
always used to call him Zzzzz.
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Every lad used to walk
past me going, Zzzzz.
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I grew up in Bury, lived in a
terraced house opposite a park.
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All I remember about being a kid is
playing football, playing cricket at the
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cricket club, and massively
about my dad taking me to United.
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I always remember the first time I
went and I was absolutely mesmerised.
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You always thought next
year would be our year,
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we'll win the league,
we'll win the league.
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We never did.
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All I ever wanted to be
was a football player and
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the only club I ever wanted
to play at was United.
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Gary was one of them lads
that, when you know him, you
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love him to death, he's a
great lad, everyone likes him.
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When you don't know him, he has
this persona of not being a nice person.
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I couldn't stand his guts when
I was younger and all I was
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about to do was kick him when
I played against his local team.
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Gary Neville was
nothing like that.
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He was nowhere near
as talented technically as
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the other boys and he
won't mind me saying that.
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I always felt as
though I had to work...
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extra all the time and just live and
eat better than anybody all the time.
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I've given up on
it a little bit now.
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I made a conscious decision at 16 when
I left school that I couldn't continue to
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see the friends that I'd been friends with
at school because I knew full well I would
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get drawn into doing things that 16 to
18-year-old lads did and I couldn't do it.
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I couldn't do it.
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I couldn't have any regrets.
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And he wanted to
make himself a player.
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I didn't make him a player,
he made himself a player.
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Eric Harrison was a
massive influence on me.
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He was just what I needed.
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Took absolutely no ****.
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Probably the in-boys would
tell you about him at the window.
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I don't know if that
window had ever survived.
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He'd be upstairs at the cliff, and
somebody would make a mistake and he'd
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batter on the window
and they wouldn't look up.
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They were scared
they'd be able to look up.
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But if they didn't see him out of the
window, they knew he was on the way down.
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Oh, it was funny, it was...
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And I'd be in my next door and
I could hear the window bat him.
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And I'd shake my head,
kill myself laughing.
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I says, God help me,
come in at half time.
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I remember my wife watching
me one day, because she wanted
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to go to the Trafford Centre
after the training session.
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And I got in the car, she was sat in
the car, she said, you're a disgrace.
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I said, what do you mean?
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She said, you wouldn't do
that to your children, would you?
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Eric has grounded them people and he's
put into morals and treat people right.
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And I think... You know,
if you're looking at...
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Beck's probably one of
the biggest sporting stars
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in the world, you know,
and he's still grounded.
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You know, we can
thank Eric for that.
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You've got to make those
demands to be successful out there.
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And those who could cope with
those demands played those who didn't.
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And that's football.
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The one I was most
disappointed was Raphael Burke.
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Supremely talented player.
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I wish he had have
had that right attitude
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because he would have
been the first team player.
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For me, I mean, I thought I was talented,
but I didn't dedicate like these guys.
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When people say, oh,
what was Beck's like?
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Or what was... I say, well,
the first thing is they sacrifice.
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If you're going to even have a tiny chance
of being like them, if you don't practice
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or you don't sacrifice,
you haven't got a chance.
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I mean, I'm a youth team captain of the
class of 92 and he was a fantastic captain.
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Gary was the leader because if you
saw Gary doing something different on the
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pitch after training, you
know, it had me thinking,
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well, if he's doing it, I
need to be doing something.
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You know, he was
the captain of the team.
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So we always took on the
mantle of looking after him.
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We looked after everyone.
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I thought he was the glue
that held them lads together.
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Like our dad, isn't he?
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Uncle Gary is.
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He does everything for us
and that's just the way it is.
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We phone each other up now and again and
I just go like, ah, have you finished yet?
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Oh, dear me, he talks for
England, he does, you know.
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Phil's not bad as well.
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Gaz and Phil would be like
throwing balls up at each other.
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They'd be like, you
know, jogging on the spot.
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Lads, relax, there's an hour
to go, to go kick off, yeah?
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Relax.
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If you laid back then,
you're just sat there,
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just looking at them and
just, what are you doing?
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What are you doing?
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And they were
probably doing the same.
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You can probably just imagine them speaking
to each other, Phil, have you seen these?
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It's Cup final, look at them.
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They're not even prepared right.
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We're prepared.
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Are you prepared?
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Yeah, I'm prepared.
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Yeah, right.
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Well, we're prepared.
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Never mind these.
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You know, you
can just imagine it.
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That's what they were
like from an early age.
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They were just all about
the focus and it worked.
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I'd had two really bad
experiences in the Youth Cup.
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I played as a schoolboy,
we got beat in the semi-final.
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Played as a first-year apprentice,
got knocked out in the semi-final.
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So I was desperate to
win it, absolutely desperate,
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even though I'd played a
few games in the first team.
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The football was
so good, I think.
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It was just so enjoyable
to play in that, you know,
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we'd be winning four,
five, six-nil most weeks.
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One of the things that I remember
is Buddy's overhead kick, you know.
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Didn't go in, but he
got so excited about it.
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There was only
going to be one result.
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With this team, it was
just, you just knew.
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And that was a
really tough game.
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But I mean, that was the biggest relief
I've ever had in my life, to come off that
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field, winners of the
Youth Cup, you know.
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And seeing them lift in the
Youth Cup, it was sensational.
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But how many of these faces will we
ever see in a Manchester United first team?
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They haven't won it for
such a long time, I think.
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They were supposed to be
babes who won it last time, I think.
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So there was a great optimism from
everyone at the club, including the
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supporters, and
particularly the supporters,
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who realised they were
seeing something special.
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We went in changing rooms and the
manager was there, the players were there,
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the first team players were there, all
the staff was there, directors were there.
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It was massive, it was
huge, and I put that
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medal alongside every
other medal that I've made.
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I won't put it any higher, I won't put it
any lower, it's on par with every single
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medal that I've ever won,
because at the time, at
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16, 17, 18, it's the
biggest medal you can win.
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We had a great team spirit,
great bunch of lads, great coaches.
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We hadn't won it for a long time
and we lifted the cup at Old Trafford,
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so we couldn't ask
for much more, really.
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It was an achievement, but it's
never enough to just win one trophy.
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OK, next year, we're
going to do it again.
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The best time of my
career was apprenticeship.
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You go to work every
day together with your
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mates, you've got no
cares in the world, just fun.
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You knew you was good, you knew you was
better than most team you played against.
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But they were the
best times in my career.
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I can still say that now.
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I can still say that now.
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No joking, lads.
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I'll say no.
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CHEERING
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What happened with Clifford and his
kids was the older apprentices, or the
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first-year pros, would
always, you know...
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..get older, the first-year apprentices,
which was us, do all sorts of things,
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and most of the
things are unspeakable.
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It was the end of that era where
it was just a dumb thing, where...
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..part of your initiation, part of your
growing-up process, your toughening-up
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process, was to put you in
situations that you didn't like.
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They put me in a kit bag and
padlocked it up once and put me on a bus.
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And then did the same in
schools a week later and...
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Nicky went small, but I was
tiny, so I'd fit in quite easily.
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And you'd end up, like, smacking
the bag like this and you'd be...
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..in the middle of Old
Trafford in the laundry,
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getting put out, so it
unlocked and sent back.
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At dinner times, you just knew
when you've had your dinner, that's it.
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The...
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..the second years were
going absolutely trash.
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We'd try and abuse him.
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We just all used to go
and hide somewhere.
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I think we used to
hide in a big gym.
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When it comes to the
initiations, a lot of people,
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it would be over in 20
seconds, 15 seconds.
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They would just go... They
would just do something stupid.
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You get a round of, like, it was
brilliant, you get a round of applause,
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right, you don't have
to do anything again.
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There would be the odd player who wouldn't
do it or didn't want to do it or would do
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it rubbish, and then you
would be... You'd be on them.
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There's one time they put
scores in the dryer, and...
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I don't know if they turned it on, but
they shut the door and they might have
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just turned it on and
off like that, quick.
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I think he had a panic
attack, I think, but it
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wouldn't be with a big
old industrial dryer as well.
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I think that's what
brought his asthma on.
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Oh, the nightclub
scene was the best.
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You had to chat someone up.
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I had to do that with you once.
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Chat them up?
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Yeah.
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It wasn't my greatest skill when I
was a young kid, chatting girls up.
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I had to perform sexual actions
to Clayton Blackmore's calendar.
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Oh!
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On the bed?
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On the bed.
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Yeah, that was my worst one.
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The boot polish as well on the... I had a
boot polish number put on the back of my...
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The bongs.
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With a spoon in the mouth.
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Did they dry the kit on you?
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I'm not sure about that.
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I'm not sure who did it, but...
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Do you know what I mean?
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It was you.
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It was you.
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I don't know why
you're here, anyway.
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Hey, and look
how you turned out.
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No, I didn't... I
didn't enjoy it.
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LAUGHTER You were...
You was horrible, Big Z.
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I hated him.
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You was horrible.
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It made you sorry, it made
you hard, it made you tough, it
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made you not be scared of
looking a fool in front of you.
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Not be scared of asking
your friends, not be scared of,
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you know, saying things out
loud in front of older players.
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So, although it probably...
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Nowadays, the club class is bullying, it
was a massive part of becoming a player
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at the club, because, you know,
if you're a 20-year-old lad and
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something's wrong on the pitch, if
you've not got the bollocks to go and
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say it to these other players, then you've
got no chance of making it Man United.
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Even though I hated it, and it used to
make me ill, I still think there's part of
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that old-school values and that
toughening-up process that the kids
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nowadays I'm happy that us lot came
through at that time, because when we came
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into being reserve team players,
we were the players that stopped it.
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We were the players
that kind of knew it wasn't
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right to do, you know,
these kind of things.
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And it stopped.
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Having coaches like Nobby that had
done what he'd done in football, and then
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moving up to having someone like Eric,
you know, and having the manager around us
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all the time, playing at the cliff like we
play, and then having players like Brian
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Robson come into the
A-team and playing games like
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that, I don't think there's
many teams that do that.
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For me, that's my best
moment at the cliff, having Brian
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Robson play in the A-team
game with me, next to me.
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That's great.
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When they come, Brian Robson and
all that, come and watch your team play,
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or watch the team's practice and all
that business, what a confidence boot.
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We probably learnt how we
need to look after our players.
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He was the one
who taught us that.
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I always remember, I think, we
were playing Oldham, I think, one day.
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I remember Ben
Thornley, the left winger, got
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absolutely battered off
the Oldham right-back.
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And I can still see it now,
and it sickens me now.
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Ben got a crossing and the lad just went
like that with his boot, with his studs
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and all that business,
and he's straight down.
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You know, Robbo was playing in that
game, we went up to the guy who did it,
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he just put his finger up like that, I
remember him waving his finger like
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that, and the lad came up, and I told
him two words, and the last one was off.
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And I thought, you're dead.
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And Robbo just went over
and absolutely steamrolled him.
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Not illegally, but hitting him really hard,
which is the typical Brian Robson tackle.
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Oh, I'm sure to enforce that.
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But Robbo was a fantastic
person for them too, you know.
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He had a wonderful way
with the young players.
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They all idolised him.
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I think we all looked around at each
other, and we all smiled, because...
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you know, being looked
after by someone like Brian
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Robson, you know, it doesn't
get much better than that.
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That was a brilliant
clip, wasn't it?
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We were all... We used to
rock the Sparky, Robbo, Inter.
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You know, these were
your heroes growing up.
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There's only the winners in the team,
but then, like, the success that we had as
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a youth team and the A team,
like you say, brought that in as well.
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It was a habit.
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A lot of football's up here.
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You know, people talk about
skill, obviously it's important,
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and technical ability and
understanding and tactics.
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But also the mental strength to know that
basically, you know, those opponents that
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you're playing against,
they know they're in
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for a massive fight
here to win this match.
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All the lads that came through the
ranks under Eric Harris and Nobby Styles,
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you know, Nobby Styles would
say, just get wired into everybody,
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you know, just get stuck in.
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And that was the message he was
giving to us as 14, 15, 16-year-olds.
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You know, we've passed the ball.
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We'll make sure you don't
lose any battles out there.
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You win that fight.
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MUSIC PLAYS MUSIC FADES
MUSIC FADES MUSIC FADES
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We've got to remember that in the sort of
60s, 70s and 80s, you know, Liverpool had
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an incredible time, you know, in music,
football, and I suppose in some ways this
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last 20 years has been
Manchester's time, the
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Stone Roses, Oasis,
United winning the league.
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But the two cities have got a lot
of similarities, the spirit and fight,
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the honesty and
integrity of the people.
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There's a tribalness to it.
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Why shouldn't there be?
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MUSIC FADES
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MUSIC FADES
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MUSIC CONTINUES When
was your first goal, Lee?
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Gal grain taster-ware, I.
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Was it?
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Ah, yeah.
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Was that our scuff
into the corner?
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Yeah, proper scuff.
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When was your score, Lee?
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I'm trying to think.
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Do you remember
you used to play at all?
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Oh, have you just completely
forgotten our address?
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In the A-Team games, we used to come up
against all the teams around the country.
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But obviously, when we played against
Liverpool, those were the big games.
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I was about 16 and we played
against Liverpool at the Cliff.
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And their team with Alan Hansen
was playing, coming back from injury.
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Sammy Lee played.
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00:21:00,890 --> 00:21:03,250
You should have knew that we
were good enough then, I think.
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And they had a
really good side out.
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And I mean, Liverpool don't
like getting beat by Man Utd.
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Even at tiddlywinks, do they?
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And they beat them 6-1
at the Cliff, you know?
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I think Scoles just
scored a hat-trick.
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Probably did beat Liverpool
a few times, 4 or 5-0.
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Which was nice.
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I think the frustrating thing growing up
as well is Liverpool was such a great team.
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They were a great team.
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They had great players.
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00:21:26,420 --> 00:21:27,540
And that just made it worse.
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I just hated them because
they were so good.
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They played brilliant football.
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They played the right way.
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They had great players.
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They played a good system.
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To watch that mob
down the road...
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Just to be head and shoulders above
everybody else in the league, in Europe...
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It was really difficult.
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I remember watching the
World Club Championship.
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And I was buzzing.
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It was Flamengo, Liverpool.
431
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:55,660
Flamengo battered them 3-0.
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And Zico scored.
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I must have been about 10.
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And I was flipping, dancing
round the living room.
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Flipping Liverpool
just got beat.
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00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,480
But...
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I think all things considered...
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You play the long game with
Manchester United Football Club.
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00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:16,040
And these people end up
getting knocked off the perches.
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I remember the 1999 season.
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January.
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Liverpool.
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In the FA Cup.
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In the FA Cup.
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1-0 down, weren't we?
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Yeah.
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What, five minutes ago?
448
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Michael scored
to them, didn't he?
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00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,420
Michael Owen?
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Yeah.
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That was my follow as well.
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Just got a cross in.
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Just couldn't get it in.
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I remember.
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You left your run.
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I think you played me as well.
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Again.
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I always remember the
goals I give away, Mick.
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He's had many
of them, hasn't he?
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I thought that was the best
atmosphere of the season.
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To be fair.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That last couple
of minutes here.
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That's when it
all started, I think.
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I think the beginning of
the season, 1998-99, I
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don't think it was any
different to any other season.
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We knew we had a
good team, a good squad.
469
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,040
We expected to
go on and do well.
470
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,660
Our form was inconsistent in
the early parts of the season.
471
00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:09,740
We were conceding goals.
472
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:10,780
We were exciting.
473
00:23:10,781 --> 00:23:12,196
The attacking
football was brilliant.
474
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:14,100
But we were still conceding
goals in the league.
475
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,880
But then turn of Christmas,
the FA Cup against Liverpool.
476
00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:20,380
What a game that was.
477
00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:24,060
And then it just seemed
to snowball from there.
478
00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:29,480
You know, the season hasn't been
all Manchester United had hoped for.
479
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Not so far.
480
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,060
But an FA Cup tie against
what is a young Liverpool team.
481
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,660
The stage should change that.
482
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,100
1-0 down.
483
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,020
Four minutes,
five minutes to go.
484
00:23:39,180 --> 00:23:40,580
A few minutes ago,
they took points.
485
00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:40,900
They took points off.
486
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:41,840
And Paul had played for me.
487
00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:42,660
And he worked over him.
488
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,160
He had had to me.
489
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:47,100
You know, winding me
up just wasn't vicious.
490
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,260
I was just, you
know, incy being incy.
491
00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:50,600
We made a substitution.
492
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,140
I could go on and score a score.
493
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,340
Beckham may just take this off.
494
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,460
Lifted towards the head of Cole.
495
00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:58,320
And yes!
496
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,380
When you're 1-0 down and you score
that equaliser, you know it's coming.
497
00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:04,860
Into Cole again.
498
00:24:05,220 --> 00:24:06,580
May break for Scholes.
499
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:07,780
Sword shot!
500
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400
I was on the bench.
501
00:24:10,401 --> 00:24:13,340
And whenever I was
on the bench, I was a fan.
502
00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:14,380
I wasn't a sub.
503
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,560
I was in the case stand.
504
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,800
I was singing the songs.
505
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:17,420
I was up.
506
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:18,460
I was at it.
507
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,260
Shirt was off.
508
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:20,080
Track suit was off.
509
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:22,720
I wanted to dive onto their
bench and just celebrate.
510
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:28,220
To look over to a bench that thought
they'd won a game and they've lost it is
511
00:24:28,221 --> 00:24:30,020
the greatest feeling in
the whole wide world.
512
00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:32,630
You know, for us to come
back and score two late
513
00:24:32,631 --> 00:24:34,680
goals, it sort of set
the tone of the season.
514
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,860
And it was, for me, it was the turning
point that teams knew that no matter what
515
00:24:39,861 --> 00:24:41,600
the score was, we'd
still come back at home.
516
00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:45,760
It's at the back of their mind
that they always come back these.
517
00:24:46,135 --> 00:24:52,200
That season, the Liverpool
game, we knew we'd score late.
518
00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:54,240
And the opposition
knew we'd score late.
519
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:58,020
And you know what it's like if you
think against United, it all suffers.
520
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,440
It's amazing because you've played
at Newcastle and you've been out.
521
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:06,260
When you're out on Man United and there's
like 20 minutes to go and it's 2-0 up,
522
00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:08,700
you're at other teams and
they say, oh, game over.
523
00:25:08,701 --> 00:25:11,201
And you've probably said
it to lads, no, this is Man
524
00:25:11,202 --> 00:25:13,581
United, they're going to
come back, they'll win this 3-2.
525
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,060
More often than not, they do.
526
00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:18,740
All the bosses' teams
always came back, didn't they?
527
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:22,280
Bruce's goals to win the league
first time, they always had that.
528
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:23,500
They went right to the end.
529
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,121
I think it's fitness
but also keeping
530
00:25:25,133 --> 00:25:26,980
possession and Old
Trafford being a big pitch.
531
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:30,310
I think our biggest strength is
we're all Man United fans, aren't we?
532
00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:32,236
It ultimately comes from
the gaffer, doesn't it, really?
533
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:32,520
Definitely.
534
00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:34,300
It ultimately comes
from him, isn't it?
535
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:36,630
What he demands of you,
what he demands he puts on you.
536
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320
You think... We will
get one more chance.
537
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:39,920
Yeah.
538
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:41,610
You get one more chance.
539
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,120
You might not score, but
we will get one more chance.
540
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,340
And we always, if we equalise, we
always try and get the second one.
541
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,360
And the third.
542
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,520
It's never enough.
543
00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:52,840
You win a league
and that's not enough.
544
00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:54,751
Next year you've got to
win a league and double.
545
00:25:54,775 --> 00:26:00,360
I think that was a bridge in us from
youth team level, from B team, from A team,
546
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,480
from reserve team.
547
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:03,100
That was put in us, I think.
548
00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:06,620
The story for Manchester
United was great.
549
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:11,560
It was great players.
550
00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:18,480
Yeah, we could
feel like the ghosts.
551
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:27,875
I remember walking the
corridors up to the manager's
552
00:26:27,876 --> 00:26:31,440
office at Old Trafford and
the smell of Matt Busby's pipe.
553
00:26:32,495 --> 00:26:35,715
You just knew there
was a big presence about
554
00:26:35,716 --> 00:26:38,760
him still there and you
just walked past and...
555
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,440
You might see him now and again.
556
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,320
The door would always be open.
557
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:45,067
And I look back now and
think, you know, we should have
558
00:26:45,068 --> 00:26:47,136
gone in more and talked to
him more, but you were scared.
559
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,660
This was like a god.
560
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:53,840
There were two, like, big,
important books in our family.
561
00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:57,680
One was a massive Bible and the other
book was the photo album, you know,
562
00:26:57,940 --> 00:27:01,580
like, black and white photos of us
as little kids and with a, you know,
563
00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:04,820
big extended family around
the area and all that kind of stuff.
564
00:27:05,935 --> 00:27:09,500
Biggest picture in that book, at
the back, was the Busby Babes.
565
00:27:10,990 --> 00:27:14,860
On the fringe of a Munich airport lies the
wreckage of an airliner still smouldering
566
00:27:14,861 --> 00:27:17,440
from a crash in which
21 people were killed.
567
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,900
Oh, I heard it at school.
568
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280
I heard that news at school and I
was crying my eyes out at school.
569
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,220
You know, and me and the
teacher took me into another room.
570
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,420
I was that emotional
about it, you know.
571
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:31,740
And I thought,
they can't be dead.
572
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:35,600
The teacher said to me, he
said, Eric, I'm sorry, they are.
573
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,827
MUSIC PLAYS I think
probably 17, 18 when we won the
574
00:27:39,828 --> 00:27:43,140
Youth Cup, the Busby Babe
comparison started to come out.
575
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:45,860
You've got big
footsteps to follow here.
576
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,474
You've got lads who were
young men just wanting to
577
00:27:49,475 --> 00:27:52,481
play football, wanting to
dream like we're dreaming.
578
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,240
Their legacy is enormous.
579
00:27:56,380 --> 00:28:00,140
Everything you see there at that club
today is built out of that tragedy and
580
00:28:00,141 --> 00:28:05,200
Samat Busby's determination to grow
another team, to rebound, to go again.
581
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:09,600
Obviously, what he created, what he
created at Manchester United led to what
582
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,720
the boss had created at Manchester
United and what, you know, we were part of.
583
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,440
And you feel that.
584
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:21,440
The most important part of the history was
Matt Busby's introduction of young people.
585
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:23,540
That was uppermost
in my thoughts.
586
00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:28,077
To recreate the history which
was started by Matt Busby
587
00:28:28,078 --> 00:28:30,661
and I thought that was a
perfect football club for me.
588
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,700
I was born in Cardiff.
589
00:28:44,701 --> 00:28:46,656
My dad played rugby,
three-time professional for
590
00:28:46,657 --> 00:28:49,640
Swinton, so I moved to
Manchester when I was seven.
591
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,540
Everyone on my street was United fans
and I used to go watch them, Stretford End,
592
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,446
United Road, go with my
mates, catch the match bus at
593
00:28:58,447 --> 00:29:00,936
26, try and climb over the
fence and get in for nothing.
594
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,100
You know, all that sort of stuff,
as a United fan, I used to do.
595
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,640
First time I'd seen him play, I was
like, oh, my God, what have I just seen?
596
00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:11,570
If that's the standard that
we have to get to, I'm done.
597
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
I'm finished.
598
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,820
What's the point?
599
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,380
You know what I mean?
600
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:15,800
Go back to Bury.
601
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,320
Kick your little ball
against the wall.
602
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:21,900
Just get off this pitch away from him,
because, honestly, he was unbelievable.
603
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:24,100
Ryan Wilson again.
604
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,480
He is Salford's star man.
605
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,020
That's a terrific
pass from Wynwood.
606
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Oh, it's a marvellous goal.
607
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,236
We were nowhere near him,
do you know what I mean?
608
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:35,180
We weren't even in the
same bracket as him.
609
00:29:35,181 --> 00:29:38,700
I always remember when we signed
his 14th battle, we were playing Arsenal.
610
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,773
And we signed in my
office, upstairs, and
611
00:29:42,774 --> 00:29:46,241
George Green would
come in for a cup of tea.
612
00:29:47,020 --> 00:29:51,157
And after Ryan and his
mum left, I says, he'll be a
613
00:29:51,158 --> 00:29:53,840
great player in the United's
first team in three years.
614
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:55,900
So George says, what's the name?
615
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:56,940
I says, Ryan Wilson.
616
00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,860
So a few years later,
we're playing Arsenal again.
617
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:03,960
And George was having
a little bit of a go, actually.
618
00:30:03,961 --> 00:30:06,020
He says, well, up to
that boy Ryan Wilson.
619
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,820
As much as I say, he's
never seen him again.
620
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200
I says, point today.
621
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,376
He goes, what, who's the pro?
622
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Well, yeah.
623
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,240
I says, Ryan Giggs
has changed his name.
624
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Bloody hell.
625
00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:18,840
Of course, at that
time, he was a star.
626
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,540
Yeah, when I arrived,
Giggs was playing.
627
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:23,500
Yeah.
628
00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:24,620
Yeah.
629
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,600
And now I retired, what, 15
years ago, and he's still playing.
630
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,900
It's crazy.
631
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:33,760
I'll never forget.
632
00:30:33,761 --> 00:30:38,040
The manager sort of naming the team
in the old dressing rooms at Old Trafford.
633
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:43,700
And I'm just sat there, and I'm not
listening to him, but sort of half not
634
00:30:43,701 --> 00:30:45,581
interested because I
didn't think I was playing.
635
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:46,830
So left wing is last.
636
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:49,360
And I'll never forget it.
637
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:51,920
It was like, Ryan, you'll
play on the left today.
638
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:55,260
I was like, you say
my name there?
639
00:30:56,785 --> 00:31:00,360
And, like, I started,
I don't like flying.
640
00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,100
So when we're taking off,
I've got, like, sweaty palms.
641
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,380
Like, you wouldn't believe it.
642
00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:06,620
It was like, it was
exactly the same feeling.
643
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,860
And number 14 is
17-year-old Ryan Giggs.
644
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:13,110
We looked at him and
thought, that's our motivation.
645
00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:16,257
You know, if the manager's
giving him a chance, then
646
00:31:16,258 --> 00:31:18,680
surely he's going to give
us a chance at some point.
647
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,500
And this is Giggs.
648
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,080
The manager used to always say, if
I'd ever had a shave, even the next day
649
00:31:29,081 --> 00:31:32,740
in training, he would just look at
me, he was out last night, wasn't he?
650
00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,260
And I'd go, no.
651
00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:35,280
He'd go, yeah, he was.
652
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,520
You always have a shave.
653
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,180
When you've gone out,
you always have a shave.
654
00:31:38,181 --> 00:31:39,460
You're always clean-shaven.
655
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,120
So from then on, I just learnt, if
I went out, I just wouldn't shave.
656
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:49,492
I think growing up in
Manchester in the 90s,
657
00:31:49,592 --> 00:31:51,300
obviously, it was
brilliant, it was massive.
658
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,880
It was the time of the Stone Roses,
Happy Mondays and Spiral Carpets,
659
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,600
all the house music,
and it was the place to be.
660
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,040
I mean, it was a
ridiculous place.
661
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,000
The Hacienda, the Bullet Walk, we
were going to concerts, Spike Island,
662
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:04,780
and it was a real
special time, really.
663
00:32:05,045 --> 00:32:07,525
I remember once the whole Man
United team went to the Hacienda.
664
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:09,300
It wouldn't happen nowadays.
665
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,640
You'd be pressed everywhere.
666
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,120
You'd have what's called a players'
pass, a Man United players' pass.
667
00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:18,060
So every professional had one.
668
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:20,440
And certain clubs,
you'd get in free with it.
669
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:25,260
So you'd go out with your players'
pass, show it to the bouncer, let me in.
670
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,255
That's a good thing that I
liked about my upbringing
671
00:32:28,256 --> 00:32:30,180
in Manchester, was everyone
looked after each other.
672
00:32:30,395 --> 00:32:33,363
If you was a good enough guy
and you didn't show off too much
673
00:32:33,364 --> 00:32:35,626
and you weren't big-headed,
the bouncer looked after you.
674
00:32:35,650 --> 00:32:38,160
It just seemed like the magic
dust literally had been there.
675
00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:39,316
It had been sprayed
all over the city.
676
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:41,520
So it was good to see the
football and the music thing.
677
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:43,680
What else is there?
678
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,040
What else is there?
679
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,280
Manchester reinvented itself.
680
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,120
It didn't wait for a
leader to do that for us.
681
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:55,095
In fact, it took the
disinterest that was clearly
682
00:32:55,096 --> 00:32:58,140
shown to it by Margaret
Thatcher's Premiership.
683
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,220
It took that as actually
a signal to do it itself.
684
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,320
We can't even get out.
685
00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:05,080
We're walking with
cockroaches, beetles.
686
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
In flats in this block.
687
00:33:08,081 --> 00:33:09,560
In these flats over here.
688
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,895
We've got people
coming up using the place
689
00:33:11,896 --> 00:33:13,920
as rockers and everything
all over the place.
690
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:15,020
It's disgusting.
691
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,160
We all grew up as Thatcher's children
and, you know, hand on my heart, that bitch
692
00:33:21,161 --> 00:33:22,921
gave me my start in
music, man, because she
693
00:33:22,922 --> 00:33:24,640
put me on the dole
straight out of school.
694
00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:27,316
And where else would I have got
the chance to learn an instrument?
695
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:30,300
There's some great northern cities
that actually aren't beholden to anyone,
696
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:34,200
you know, and no matter how bad it
gets, they will regenerate themselves.
697
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:38,540
Now, the football teams, of course,
especially United, is a symbol of that.
698
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:44,360
Sharpie loved to go out, loved
to party and have a good time.
699
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,164
For me, he was the
one who I had probably
700
00:33:46,165 --> 00:33:48,060
been most in common
with because of the age.
701
00:33:48,465 --> 00:33:52,564
I've seen Gigton lead Sharp
and a few of the guys out and
702
00:33:52,565 --> 00:33:55,456
about in town and in the clubs
of the time and what have you.
703
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,002
I suppose we should
have took it on ourselves to
704
00:33:58,003 --> 00:34:00,460
turn to Neff or Fulham
and get an early night in it.
705
00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:01,060
It would be fun.
706
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,676
There's a Liverpool game
coming up or something.
707
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:06,620
But it's not our
place to do that, is it?
708
00:34:06,621 --> 00:34:08,668
Fergie had his little
network of guys out there
709
00:34:08,748 --> 00:34:11,060
doing just that, didn't
he, I suppose, so...
710
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:18,320
The gaffer had been tipped off that me
and Sharpie were going out, so he's just
711
00:34:18,321 --> 00:34:21,100
totally surprised us and
we're at Sharpie's house.
712
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,001
I heard down that road, I phoned Norman
Davies and said, ''Where's Sharp with?
713
00:34:25,781 --> 00:34:28,580
'' And he gave me his
address and I get there.
714
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:30,620
I didn't know there
was a party going on.
715
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,840
The party, I
couldn't believe it.
716
00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:38,620
So I knocked on the door and there was
the guys inside, said, ''Who is it?'' And I
717
00:34:38,621 --> 00:34:40,343
battered the door and
I says, ''Get that bloody
718
00:34:40,344 --> 00:34:42,881
door open.'' I threw
everybody out of the place.
719
00:34:43,330 --> 00:34:44,740
And I'm literally
in his eye line.
720
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:46,700
I mean, anywhere
else I could have hid.
721
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:51,900
But I'm leaning against the
fridge with a beer in my hand.
722
00:34:52,390 --> 00:34:54,700
He's threw my mate out,
he's threw the girls out.
723
00:34:55,410 --> 00:34:56,580
He's gone, ''Where's that?
724
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,779
Where's Sharpie?'' So one of my other
mates has ran upstairs and said, ''Sharpie?
725
00:35:01,859 --> 00:35:04,440
'' Sharpie's in the mirror
just getting dressed.
726
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:06,920
He's in his bedroom just,
you know, putting his jacket on.
727
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:10,730
''Your gaffer's here, your
gaffer's here.'' Sharpie's gone.
728
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:12,690
''Yeah, all right, yeah.''
Of course he is, yeah.
729
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:15,240
Carried on, sort of,
like, getting ready.
730
00:35:15,725 --> 00:35:18,165
And in the mirror, he's seen
the gaffer walking up the stairs.
731
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:21,302
At this time, the apprentices
can hear his voice,
732
00:35:21,303 --> 00:35:23,481
cos there was a few
of the apprentices out.
733
00:35:23,655 --> 00:35:26,780
They've hid in the wardrobe,
they've hid under the bed.
734
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:28,300
One of them jumped
out the window.
735
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,780
And he didn't know about them.
736
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,800
They didn't get caught.
737
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,400
So, anyway, he's caught
me and Sharpie red-handed.
738
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:37,740
And he's just sat us down
and he's absolutely battered us.
739
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,044
And I says, ''You have no
idea what wife you're going to
740
00:35:41,064 --> 00:35:43,680
have now.'' And I says, ''You're
in tomorrow, seven o'clock.
741
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:47,160
''Want you in at seven o'clock?''
And I went, ''Ah, the eyes are going.
742
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,860
'' ''Sharpie, you're
going back in digs.
743
00:35:48,861 --> 00:35:49,876
You're not having
your own house.
744
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:53,960
''You've had too many chances.'' And he
said to me, and he's gone, ''Do you want
745
00:35:53,961 --> 00:35:58,300
to end up like him?'' From that day
on, really, I was a little bit more focused
746
00:35:58,301 --> 00:36:01,760
and, obviously, I'd seen the
gaffer snap before, but not like that.
747
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,620
Fortunately, Ryan took heed.
748
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:08,201
Because if you look at him now, playing at
41 years of age, it tells you everything.
749
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:10,860
He's lived his life well, you
know, he's looked after himself.
750
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,140
That was an experience and maybe he'll
look back and say, ''I'm glad it happened.
751
00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:16,920
'' You know?
752
00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:19,130
He's a different kind
of animal, Giggsie.
753
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:21,576
He came to a point where
he said, ''Enough's enough.
754
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,740
''I'm a footballer, first and foremost.''
Yeah, there was a time where I just had to
755
00:36:24,741 --> 00:36:27,301
play within myself and
sort of change my role
756
00:36:27,302 --> 00:36:29,540
where, yeah, I couldn't
be a flying winger.
757
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:33,580
I had to manage my game a
lot more and look after my body.
758
00:36:33,581 --> 00:36:35,280
He looked at the bigger picture.
759
00:36:35,340 --> 00:36:38,820
He looked that in 15 years' time, I
still want to be playing football for
760
00:36:38,821 --> 00:36:41,480
Man United, so what sacrifices
now do I have to make?
761
00:36:43,695 --> 00:36:47,400
Diet, getting the right beds, getting
the right car, doing different stretches,
762
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:53,460
obviously starting yoga, seeing an
osteopath, doing acupuncture, ice baths,
763
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,160
you name it.
764
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:59,741
I've done it to sort of
maximise the time that I'm
765
00:36:59,742 --> 00:37:03,500
on the pitch and especially
the last three months.
766
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:08,280
You do everything you can because
you know that's when it all happens.
767
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160
That's when you
need to be at your best.
768
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:13,680
That's when the big
games are coming.
769
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,660
The last thing that either club
needed was a replay, but here we are.
770
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,680
United already committed to two games
a week between now and the end of May.
771
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,380
Well, they are out there to
keep thinking about a treble.
772
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:33,360
And let's not forget the
double's still up for Arsenal.
773
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,720
Something's got to give here.
774
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,000
We'd played, I think, about
three or four days before.
775
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:45,476
We had the eventers coming up,
we were doing well in the league.
776
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,540
So the manager
decided to change things.
777
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,610
I'd played in the first
game, we'd had a goal
778
00:37:49,611 --> 00:37:51,560
that allowed, we felt that
we should have won it.
779
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,400
And you just wanted to play
in that game and I was subbed.
780
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:00,940
At that point in our careers,
Arsenal was the rivals.
781
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,201
It was such a great
Arsenal team, it was the best
782
00:38:04,202 --> 00:38:06,080
team that probably we
played against domestically.
783
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:10,040
Power, pace, aggression,
experience, skill.
784
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:11,300
They had everything.
785
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,080
And they were such a
tough team to play against.
786
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,880
And they mined Keown from
England and Dave Seaman.
787
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,136
They're all great
lads, I really like them.
788
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
But on the pitch,
they're just a real hatred.
789
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:25,500
And it had been
such a tiring game.
790
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:30,820
You know, going 1-0 up, then
1-1 and then Keaney got sent off.
791
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:32,820
So we're playing,
obviously, a man down.
792
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,660
There were so many
emotions as well.
793
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,780
I probably should have came off.
794
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:39,780
I was physically and
mentally exhausted.
795
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,380
It was such an emotionally charged
evening that I dusted a brick wall.
796
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:47,460
The ball came across to Ray
Parlour and he was taking me on.
797
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,140
And I remember
feeling shattered.
798
00:38:50,525 --> 00:38:54,540
I actually remember him running at
me to this day thinking, I'm dead here.
799
00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:58,020
So I just collapsed on the floor
thinking I've got to make a tackle.
800
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,660
And it was a tired... I
made the wrong decision.
801
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:05,520
And when I give the
penalty away, I remember...
802
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:07,260
thinking...
803
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,840
life's over.
804
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,080
I'm dead.
805
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,920
I'd rather die than
this penalty going.
806
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:17,360
And it was one of those moments when I
honestly thought if Damien Bergkamp would
807
00:39:17,361 --> 00:39:20,120
have scored, my Man Utd career
would have probably been finished.
808
00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:35,740
Me and Phil go to celebrate
with Peter Schmeichel.
809
00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:38,660
He literally shoves us
the other side of the box.
810
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,520
He literally
clotheslined me away.
811
00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:41,900
And I was back on it.
812
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:43,456
The game was
getting a bit stretched.
813
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,320
So I think the manager thought,
perfect for me to come on now.
814
00:39:46,321 --> 00:39:46,900
Fresh legs.
815
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,000
And the manager just says,
I think the right-back's tiring.
816
00:39:52,580 --> 00:39:54,160
Whenever you get a
chance, run at them.
817
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:55,790
Make something happen.
818
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
You're ten men.
819
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,280
You're thinking it's
going to penalties.
820
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:00,580
You're hanging up.
821
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Arsenal are sort of
wave after wave of attack.
822
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,620
And then Giggsie
picks the ball up.
823
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:08,220
Patrick Vieira plays
the ball square.
824
00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:10,640
And I just remember
Giggsie setting off.
825
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:13,520
When I sprint, you
can tell I'm sprinting.
826
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Everything's moving.
827
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:15,790
With Giggsie...
828
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,800
It's almost slow motion.
829
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,440
He glides on the
top of the service.
830
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,320
His feet don't touch the ground.
831
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:24,720
He picked the ball up and I
was at left-back behind him.
832
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,320
And I was shouting, Giggsie,
Giggsie, I'm on my way.
833
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:30,760
Thinking I was
going to overlap him.
834
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,860
And Giggsie just went further and
further and further away from me.
835
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:38,740
Starts running at players.
836
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:44,300
And I've seen Giggsie do
this since I was 15 years old.
837
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:45,280
I stood still.
838
00:40:45,281 --> 00:40:46,780
And it was like slow motion.
839
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,140
In and out.
840
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:49,200
Gliding in and out.
841
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,140
It's like a gazelle.
842
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:52,380
He had this grace about him.
843
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,160
And he was making
body movements.
844
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,360
Without even touching the ball.
845
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,280
And Lee Dixon went for one.
846
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:59,580
Martin Keown went for one.
847
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,080
I just saw him going through.
848
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:02,720
Going through.
849
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:03,900
Keeping on going.
850
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,920
I'm thinking, Scholes
is coming in back post.
851
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Look at Scholes.
852
00:41:06,961 --> 00:41:07,961
Look at Scholes.
853
00:41:08,305 --> 00:41:09,945
And all he had to do
was square it to me.
854
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:12,320
And I'd make a big run.
855
00:41:12,321 --> 00:41:15,360
And I'll tell you, I think I
was still 20 yards behind him.
856
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,760
And I sprinted
as fast as I could.
857
00:41:17,045 --> 00:41:18,045
That was Ryan Giggs.
858
00:41:18,845 --> 00:41:20,647
Whether he was playing
on Lower Broughton Road,
859
00:41:20,648 --> 00:41:23,300
Lyttelton Road, the Cliff
Training Ground, Carrington.
860
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,720
That was what Ryan
Giggs was all about.
861
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:27,760
This was Giggs' moment.
862
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Giggs is here.
863
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,500
A magician wave off.
864
00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:47,160
Hands up, Patrick.
865
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,640
Watch the epic carpool.
866
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,860
Oh, it's close.
867
00:41:50,861 --> 00:41:51,861
Oh, it's past.
868
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,800
Kevin Reveley.
869
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,100
You just lose yourself.
870
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,680
And you don't know
what you're doing.
871
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,340
And everything, sanity
just goes out of your head.
872
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,040
And I just decided to take my
shirt off and just start swinging it.
873
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:09,500
The team are coming over.
874
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,640
The fans are coming over.
875
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,840
They're on top of me.
876
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,520
And it's just unbelievable.
877
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,680
How many times are you going to
see a goal like that in your lifetime?
878
00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:20,840
Especially scored by
one of your lads as well.
879
00:42:20,860 --> 00:42:22,720
It is the best goal
I've ever seen.
880
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:25,020
Just for everything,
how important it was.
881
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:27,770
And the way he did
it, who he went past.
882
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,780
As a defender, you look
at those lads differently.
883
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:32,340
They're the heroes for you.
884
00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:36,460
They produce the biggest moments
at the best times when you need them.
885
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:38,860
And throughout that
season, they all delivered.
886
00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:40,200
Every single one of them.
887
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,020
But Giggs' moment is
the standout moment.
888
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:44,420
You needed a result, but
you didn't need extra time.
889
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:46,160
Ten men, a real baccalaureate.
890
00:42:46,340 --> 00:42:49,580
Look, who's to know what's
going to happen if you were Gary?
891
00:42:49,581 --> 00:42:52,460
It could all blow on your
face at the end of the day.
892
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:54,640
But can you forget
moments like this?
893
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:56,980
I suppose we were
talking about that for years.
894
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:58,896
I suppose we were
talking about that for years.
895
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,996
That's what football's about.
896
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:03,860
Trying to reach peaks and climaxes to a
season which we were doing at the moment.
897
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,240
We're in the final.
898
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,260
We've got something
in the bank for ourselves.
899
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:09,260
Now we're going to try
and win this league now.
900
00:43:10,515 --> 00:43:11,760
I mean, the place went wild.
901
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:14,080
And I always remember that game.
902
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,560
I don't think a supporter left that
ground not thinking we could win.
903
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,080
We couldn't win
without a treble.
904
00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:23,280
Not one person came
out of that ground.
905
00:43:23,875 --> 00:43:25,580
It just lifted everyone.
906
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,496
I mean, I think if they'd have won,
they might have gone on with a double.
907
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,360
But we were in the footage, man.
908
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:32,500
Now when he scores a
goal and goes like this.
909
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,420
What's the footage?
910
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:34,400
He scores, he goes into it.
911
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,460
He scores, he goes in
the goal and goes like this.
912
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,880
And I'm thinking,
what am I doing?
913
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960
I'm saying it.
914
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:41,876
Because I was running
waiting for you to square it.
915
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:43,200
And you run away celebrating.
916
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:44,160
You take your own top half.
917
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,200
And I go like that.
918
00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:47,660
He talks off.
919
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:48,620
He totally talks off.
920
00:43:48,621 --> 00:43:50,540
That would have got
me out of jail, Scorsese.
921
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,100
Right next to me.
922
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:00,260
Well,
923
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:13,200
cricket was my first love.
924
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,020
And it probably is
my first love now.
925
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,840
I used to miss an awful
lot of school through cricket.
926
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,476
And an awful lot of school
in the winter through football.
927
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:23,361
So, you know, my dad
was always one of those that
928
00:44:23,362 --> 00:44:25,140
said, well, let's give
him the best opportunity.
929
00:44:25,141 --> 00:44:28,010
So, they came to some
agreement that I could
930
00:44:28,011 --> 00:44:31,241
either miss school for
cricket or for football.
931
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:34,756
And, you know, it was a
massive decision to make.
932
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:36,980
And in the end, it was
probably an easy decision.
933
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,020
Because two months before that, I'd
played at Wembley for England school boys.
934
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,020
And there was, I think there
was about 78,000 people there.
935
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:45,220
We'd played Italy at Wembley.
936
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:47,750
A couple of weeks after that,
I'd played cricket for England.
937
00:44:47,820 --> 00:44:49,136
Made my debut for
cricket for England.
938
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,400
I was captain of the under-15s.
939
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,100
And we played
in Gloucestershire.
940
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:54,660
Literally, there was
probably 30 people there.
941
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,980
And what should have been probably one
of the best moments of my schoolboy career,
942
00:45:00,455 --> 00:45:02,140
it was probably one
of the biggest letdowns.
943
00:45:02,141 --> 00:45:05,180
And in a way, that was
probably the turning point.
944
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:09,460
Phil Neville was a
player we're all after.
945
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:11,660
I think at Arsenal and the club.
946
00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:18,760
But we're clever enough to say,
right, if you take Gary, who was doing
947
00:45:18,761 --> 00:45:22,616
very well also, and get the
two of them, there's a far better
948
00:45:22,617 --> 00:45:25,261
attraction for the family to
keep the two brothers together.
949
00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:27,336
I used to play two or
three years above myself.
950
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,980
I wasn't just in my own age group playing
at centre-back or full-back or in midfield.
951
00:45:31,215 --> 00:45:33,500
So I was playing with
men when I was only a boy.
952
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:35,795
So I realised early
on that to get forward
953
00:45:35,796 --> 00:45:39,261
in the game, I needed
many strings to my bow.
954
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120
The England manager used to say to
me, you need to nail down one position.
955
00:45:43,245 --> 00:45:44,316
You need to nail
down one position.
956
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:46,700
If you do that, you'll have a
bigger, better, longer career.
957
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:49,430
And I used to come away
thinking, that is the biggest
958
00:45:49,431 --> 00:45:51,341
load of rubbish that
I've ever heard in my life.
959
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:53,340
I'm 19, I'm 20.
960
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:55,120
I'm a regular player.
961
00:45:55,121 --> 00:45:56,860
I'm part of Man
Utd's first team squad.
962
00:45:57,180 --> 00:46:00,220
And I think it was probably one of the
times when I probably did have to be
963
00:46:00,221 --> 00:46:03,181
strong with myself, that what I was
doing and what I believed in was right.
964
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:05,960
I first saw him at the
cliff playing in a game.
965
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:09,400
And he was one of them
players that you just...
966
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:11,570
Wait a minute, is he
right-footed or left-footed?
967
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,840
And me being just, you know, my
right foot's for standing on, that's it.
968
00:46:15,065 --> 00:46:16,540
I'm just so one-footed.
969
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:19,520
To see someone like that,
I'm always, like, interested.
970
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:24,940
Phil was always popular because he
was comfortable around anyone's company.
971
00:46:24,941 --> 00:46:29,340
He was one of them people who were good in
the dressing room and good to have around
972
00:46:29,341 --> 00:46:32,040
because he would just
make people feel at ease.
973
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:37,810
As a full-back, you
need to develop a trick.
974
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:39,870
And mine was a step over.
975
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:43,590
And I worked on it every day.
976
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:46,610
And I did it in a game
once at Old Trafford.
977
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:51,150
I did a step over, I got to the byline,
crossed it, and we nearly scored.
978
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:54,794
And as I was running
back, Butty, Becks, Keno,
979
00:46:54,795 --> 00:46:57,791
you know, they were
laughing their heads off.
980
00:46:57,830 --> 00:46:58,946
Just laughing their heads off.
981
00:46:58,970 --> 00:47:02,450
And I could not understand for the
life of me why they were laughing.
982
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,690
I'd just done the best step
over that this club's ever seen.
983
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:09,310
And they're absolutely
wetting themselves laughing.
984
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:13,530
So the next time I get the ball,
I threw in a double step over.
985
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:16,190
And the crowd, you
know, they were cheering.
986
00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:18,126
And I think they thought
I was taking the mickey.
987
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:21,910
But this is something that I was serious
about and I'd worked on for six months.
988
00:47:22,455 --> 00:47:24,250
And I'd just produced it at Old
Trafford against Southampton.
989
00:47:24,251 --> 00:47:27,557
So I turned around after
the double step over, and Roy
990
00:47:27,558 --> 00:47:30,550
Keane looked at me and
just said, Stop effing about.
991
00:47:31,145 --> 00:47:36,970
I wasn't too happy when I'm playing in
a game and I'm thinking, I'll sing him a
992
00:47:36,971 --> 00:47:39,330
song, you know, for the
first few seconds, and then...
993
00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:43,970
Phil, Phil, we'll tear you a...
Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's not right.
994
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:44,410
Phil!
995
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:45,850
No, it's my song.
996
00:47:46,665 --> 00:47:51,170
It must have not been that good because
everyone used to slaughter me about it.
997
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:55,490
For Ferguson, it was important.
998
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,950
The academy, young
players, was very important.
999
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:03,390
Then we could see that
it was a great generation.
1000
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:05,970
And we could hear
the coaches, everybody.
1001
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,880
It was a great generation.
1002
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:10,970
And then you have to have the...
1003
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:14,950
It's important to have the manager
who gives them the chance to play.
1004
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,226
I think if everyone looks at us,
they all think about, obviously us,
1005
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:21,270
but the team in general, about how
we've won everything and done this.
1006
00:48:21,410 --> 00:48:25,230
But if you think about our baptism,
we lost the league on a Saturday.
1007
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:26,030
West Ham.
1008
00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:28,730
And then six days
later, we lost the FA Cup.
1009
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:30,026
So that was like a wake-up call.
1010
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:32,270
Well, for me personally, I
don't want to do that again.
1011
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,010
The first year that we
broke in properly was 95.
1012
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:37,570
And we lost the
double in a week.
1013
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:39,610
It was a disaster.
1014
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:42,170
The last game, the end
of the season, West Ham.
1015
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:45,070
Then you've got the game
against Everton in the FA Cup.
1016
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:47,220
I remember the
Cup Final perfectly.
1017
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:48,490
I was subbing there.
1018
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:51,986
I think we were getting beat 1-0,
weren't we, for a lot of the game.
1019
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:52,870
They scored early on.
1020
00:48:52,871 --> 00:48:56,470
I had a great chance to make it
1-1, and I never wanted to see it.
1021
00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:58,180
It was a bad summer, really.
1022
00:48:58,265 --> 00:49:00,741
I thought about that
loads of times, actually,
1023
00:49:00,742 --> 00:49:03,451
and it still makes
you feel a bit sick now.
1024
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:04,970
I can't remember a lot of...
1025
00:49:04,971 --> 00:49:08,350
I don't want to sound blasé, but a lot of,
like, the games where we've won trophies,
1026
00:49:08,555 --> 00:49:11,090
you remember a lot
more from the defeats.
1027
00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:12,170
It's a lot more...
1028
00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:15,670
It has a bigger effect on you.
1029
00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:19,970
You lose a Cup Final, you
think about it all summer.
1030
00:49:20,275 --> 00:49:23,110
You're lying on the beach having a
good time, and then it'll just come back to
1031
00:49:23,111 --> 00:49:27,770
you, and it'll ruin your day or ruin your
afternoon, and I can't wait to get back.
1032
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,050
I remember when I was on holiday, I
think I was in Cyprus, and you pick up a
1033
00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,851
paper and you see all these players
are gone, and you're thinking, wow,
1034
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:34,930
what's going on here?
1035
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:38,150
They must be going to go and buy
some proper big players to replace them.
1036
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:42,350
Obviously, the manager was looking at
where we could improve, but I don't think
1037
00:49:42,351 --> 00:49:45,050
anyone could foresee
what he was going to do.
1038
00:49:45,225 --> 00:49:48,950
You know, Mark Hughes, Andrzej Konczalskis
and Paul Lynch, you know, three massive
1039
00:49:49,150 --> 00:49:50,150
players for United.
1040
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:53,310
To be fair to the gaffer here,
he stood by us, didn't he?
1041
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:56,170
He could have bought
any player he wanted.
1042
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:59,130
He was under pressure around
that time, the gaffer, wasn't he?
1043
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,360
There were three
players that went.
1044
00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:03,850
Massive fan player, you know.
1045
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:04,710
The fans loved him, didn't they?
1046
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:05,590
The fans loved him, didn't they?
1047
00:50:05,610 --> 00:50:07,910
Goals, I suppose,
came in for Sparky.
1048
00:50:07,911 --> 00:50:10,770
You came in for Ince, you
for Andre, me for Paul Parker.
1049
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:14,190
So we were all replacing
brilliant players, weren't we?
1050
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:15,270
You know what I mean?
1051
00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:20,210
If you look at my managerial career,
from the start at East Dilling right
1052
00:50:20,211 --> 00:50:22,828
through to Aberdeen,
to Aberdeen, then to
1053
00:50:22,829 --> 00:50:25,551
Manchester United, it
was all about young players.
1054
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,390
I believed in a foundation in a football
club based on young people coming through,
1055
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:34,690
so there was a stream of
players coming into the first team.
1056
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:36,750
It's a great risk.
1057
00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:42,810
But he knew it.
1058
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:44,490
And he was right.
1059
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,530
And for me, of course, it was great
to play with a generation of players,
1060
00:50:48,610 --> 00:50:52,210
win things with them,
be in the middle of that.
1061
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,530
And help the new
players and young players.
1062
00:50:57,550 --> 00:51:00,070
And then we go back to training
and they're still not bought in.
1063
00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:02,155
Before you know it, we
were playing Aston Villa the
1064
00:51:02,156 --> 00:51:04,271
first day of the year and
we were all on the team.
1065
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,890
I was in the first half an
hour, so when we were
1066
00:51:06,891 --> 00:51:10,870
3-0 down, it was a
disaster, really, at Aston Villa.
1067
00:51:11,350 --> 00:51:12,810
It's going from bad to worse!
1068
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:15,710
After the game, we were thinking,
we'd let the manager down, he's put his
1069
00:51:15,711 --> 00:51:17,886
faith in us, we're only young,
the fans are going to hate us,
1070
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:20,270
everyone's going to hate us
because we're wrecking the club.
1071
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:21,710
I think they've got pros.
1072
00:51:21,711 --> 00:51:23,391
I wouldn't say they've
got major problems.
1073
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,570
Obviously, three
players have departed.
1074
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:27,690
The trick is always
buy when you're strong.
1075
00:51:28,205 --> 00:51:29,285
So he needs to buy players.
1076
00:51:29,625 --> 00:51:30,945
You can't win
anything with kids.
1077
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,410
You look at that line-up Manchester United
had today and Aston Villa quarter past two
1078
00:51:34,411 --> 00:51:36,566
when they get the team sheet,
it's just going to give them a lift.
1079
00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:38,066
And it'll happen every
time he plays the kids.
1080
00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:39,090
He's got to buy players.
1081
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:42,867
In truth, that night, watching
the match at day, I felt
1082
00:51:42,868 --> 00:51:46,150
the same as what Al Anson
said, it wasn't good enough.
1083
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:47,890
We wanted to believe in it.
1084
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:49,910
And we tried
everything to win it.
1085
00:51:55,775 --> 00:52:03,550
But to be realistic with five new players
coming from the academy, 19 years old,
1086
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:07,150
it's not realistic to
think that you can win.
1087
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:13,190
I wasn't probably at that stage in my
career where I felt comfortable to sort
1088
00:52:13,191 --> 00:52:16,930
of, you know, don't worry
about it, it'll be all right.
1089
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:18,524
I wasn't at that
because I didn't know
1090
00:52:18,536 --> 00:52:20,250
whether it was going
to be all right or not.
1091
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,170
They have got star
names to come in.
1092
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:23,790
They've got Cole and Giggs.
1093
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:25,750
Cantona and you, of course.
1094
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:26,290
And Bruce.
1095
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:27,690
Still not enough.
1096
00:52:27,790 --> 00:52:30,426
The trick at winning the championship
is having strength and depth.
1097
00:52:30,450 --> 00:52:31,450
They just haven't got it.
1098
00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:33,330
But we tried.
1099
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:36,430
So Arn and they
were so exceptional.
1100
00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:41,110
And Ferguson helped them
to learn things so quickly.
1101
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,900
But we won it.
1102
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:47,830
And we won the double.
1103
00:52:48,970 --> 00:52:50,086
We won the Premier
League and the Cup.
1104
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:53,370
Eric, when he came back from his
suspension, he was phenomenal, really.
1105
00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:56,910
He really did carry the
team quite a lot of the time.
1106
00:52:57,150 --> 00:52:58,470
You don't win
anything with kids.
1107
00:52:58,650 --> 00:52:59,170
It's right.
1108
00:52:59,330 --> 00:52:59,950
You don't win
anything with kids.
1109
00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:04,810
We won because we were part
of a team that had Roy Keane in it.
1110
00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:06,990
And we had Bruce Pallister.
1111
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:13,110
We had all these top experienced players
who got the young lads through it, really.
1112
00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:17,710
In the 90s, they started to put
young players with the old ones.
1113
00:53:18,970 --> 00:53:23,390
Players like Postkos, like
David Beckham, like Ryan Giggs.
1114
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:27,490
All these players
had just arrived.
1115
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,590
And with the old ones, they
formed an incredible team.
1116
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:36,893
From there, we saw that
Manchester had become
1117
00:53:36,894 --> 00:53:40,111
incredible, especially
on the European stage.
1118
00:53:40,385 --> 00:53:43,650
We didn't realise how special it
was, to be honest, I think, at the time.
1119
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:47,030
Because, you know,
we're all in the team.
1120
00:53:47,031 --> 00:53:51,070
There was not one piece of
jealousy between any of us.
1121
00:53:51,405 --> 00:53:55,150
And all we were worried about was
staying in the team and doing well.
1122
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:56,830
When they come from...
1123
00:53:57,330 --> 00:54:02,610
One's from Gorton, one's from Oldham,
one's from London, two boys from Bury and
1124
00:54:02,611 --> 00:54:06,582
Ryan from Salford, you
never think, years ahead, how
1125
00:54:06,583 --> 00:54:10,230
they became such a friendly
unit, almost like brothers.
1126
00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:12,810
And they would
practise and practise.
1127
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:14,976
They couldn't give
them enough of the ball.
1128
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,090
Honestly, it was... It was a joy to
watch, because they wanted to do it.
1129
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:21,070
They wanted to
be the best players.
1130
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:23,570
It's a lot easier coming
through as a group as well.
1131
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:26,224
Because, like, one day,
Bixy with a man, then it'd be
1132
00:54:26,244 --> 00:54:28,536
you, then it'd be you, then
it'd be you, then it'd be me.
1133
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,450
And just share that ground.
1134
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:30,090
It's a lot easier.
1135
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:31,890
It's amazing how... I never
like to do it on my own.
1136
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:33,546
There was no jealousy
between us, though, was it?
1137
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:36,810
If I was knackered it at half at dinner
time and all I was wanting to do was put
1138
00:54:36,811 --> 00:54:39,650
my feet up, and I'd look on Wimbledon
and I'd see you and you practising on the
1139
00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:42,690
harbour thinking, I'd better get over
there because I don't wanna be left out...
1140
00:54:42,691 --> 00:54:43,490
You always got left out.
1141
00:54:43,491 --> 00:54:47,110
It's like kids in the garden, if you've
got two brothers playing football together
1142
00:54:47,111 --> 00:54:50,031
they're going to be better than a lad
who's living on his own because he's
1143
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:53,198
constantly competing against
two people, but we had five, six
1144
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,206
of us, we drove each other
on, I think that's what helped.
1145
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:56,750
Like Phil said, there
was no jealousy.
1146
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:57,470
That's for sure.
1147
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,850
We've all failed at
some time, haven't we?
1148
00:55:00,580 --> 00:55:04,090
That's why it was so rewarding, I
think, when we won what we did.
1149
00:55:04,570 --> 00:55:07,990
It was more
rewarding between us.
1150
00:55:08,315 --> 00:55:11,650
When Phil really broke in was
the 96 season, 95-96 season.
1151
00:55:12,225 --> 00:55:15,490
I'd played 25 games the year before, I
was the England right-back at the time,
1152
00:55:16,165 --> 00:55:18,559
and I got left out for
the last three league
1153
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,430
games and the cup
final against Liverpool.
1154
00:55:20,905 --> 00:55:27,050
It's a strange situation to be in because
we shared a room, I phone home and say I'm
1155
00:55:27,051 --> 00:55:29,650
playing, Gary then phones
home and says he's not playing.
1156
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:32,730
It's a real difficult... and I felt for my
mum and dad really because they're in a
1157
00:55:32,731 --> 00:55:37,090
situation where they can't show
jubilation or upset to either of us.
1158
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:40,506
I remember my sister taking the mickey
out of me, Phil's got it and you're not.
1159
00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:44,770
And... thinking that's hard that, you know,
to see your brother play in front of you.
1160
00:55:44,890 --> 00:55:48,890
And I think Gary probably deep down
knew he wasn't playing and he took it well.
1161
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,170
There was not one bit of
anonymosity between us.
1162
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:56,630
They're tough moments to have to get over,
but you're happy because he's playing and
1163
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,990
you certainly don't ever want
him to fall over or make a mistake.
1164
00:56:00,615 --> 00:56:02,034
But you're also... there's
still that competitive
1165
00:56:02,035 --> 00:56:03,911
tension because we're
in similar positions.
1166
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:09,530
And going into the game, I'll never
forget walking out of the tunnel and all I
1167
00:56:09,531 --> 00:56:12,290
remember thinking was,
one, I hope I play well.
1168
00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:14,450
One, two, I hope we win.
1169
00:56:14,925 --> 00:56:16,930
And three, I hope my
brother gets on the pitch.
1170
00:56:17,230 --> 00:56:19,270
And that was my thought
process going into the game.
1171
00:56:19,565 --> 00:56:21,325
This was something
that I wanted for us both.
1172
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,810
And we scored and he came on
and that was a special moment.
1173
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,580
That's right, I didn't
play in the 96 final.
1174
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:30,170
In the final, I played Arsenal.
1175
00:56:30,330 --> 00:56:31,883
He came round to my
room in the morning, I could
1176
00:56:31,907 --> 00:56:33,150
hear him coughing
outside, you know, that...
1177
00:56:33,151 --> 00:56:35,193
He came in and said he wasn't
playing, you know, but you
1178
00:56:35,194 --> 00:56:37,371
could hear his cough outside
the door down the corridor.
1179
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:40,386
He knew you were getting
dropped, I just didn't answer the door.
1180
00:56:40,410 --> 00:56:42,030
If he can't find you,
he can't drop you.
1181
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:43,450
Oh, yeah.
1182
00:56:43,610 --> 00:56:44,270
Go missing.
1183
00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:46,530
He did used to wait for
him that low, didn't he?
1184
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:46,890
Yeah, he used to wait.
1185
00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:47,990
About 11-ish.
1186
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:51,911
I remember one time
coming up to me, I think
1187
00:56:51,912 --> 00:56:55,471
it was Thursday before
a game on a Saturday.
1188
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,570
He said, I'm not playing
you on Saturday, son.
1189
00:56:57,950 --> 00:57:00,630
He said, I've got
a game for you.
1190
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,520
Two weeks on Saturday.
1191
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:03,800
It's just a game for you.
1192
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:05,030
I was like...
1193
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,440
So I'm not playing
for four games.
1194
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:09,710
You make sure you prepare.
1195
00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:10,230
I'm not playing for that one.
1196
00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:11,730
I need you in that game.
1197
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,410
And I was like, right,
you need me in that game.
1198
00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:19,597
I'm thinking, have I been
dropped for four games or have I
1199
00:57:19,598 --> 00:57:21,350
been told that I'm brilliant
and I need it for that game?
1200
00:57:21,351 --> 00:57:22,090
I couldn't work it out.
1201
00:57:22,375 --> 00:57:24,215
Do you have a kiddo
after you've been left out?
1202
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:25,810
I thought you were playing.
1203
00:57:26,810 --> 00:57:28,350
Are you not playing?
1204
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:30,030
I don't think...
1205
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:32,370
Tomorrow.
1206
00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:33,590
Get in there.
1207
00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:35,350
I can't have a word with him.
1208
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:37,191
I thought you
were... You're not...
1209
00:57:37,330 --> 00:57:38,330
LAUGHTER.
1210
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:41,870
Hey, kiddo, no, no.
1211
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:43,670
No, no, kiddo.
1212
00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:44,610
LAUGHTER.
1213
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:46,190
I can't believe it.
1214
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:47,450
He said I was...
1215
00:57:47,830 --> 00:57:48,490
How's your mum?
1216
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:49,650
How's your mum?
1217
00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:50,690
LAUGHTER.
1218
00:57:51,590 --> 00:57:52,610
He's strong, isn't he?
1219
00:57:52,611 --> 00:57:53,350
He's a bit strong, yeah.
1220
00:57:53,550 --> 00:57:53,990
LAUGHTER.
1221
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:55,310
How's your mum?
1222
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:56,990
LAUGHTER.
1223
00:57:57,430 --> 00:58:00,530
There's one team talk that
stands out more than any other.
1224
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:04,430
And a lot of his team talks, particularly
the strong ones, aren't about football.
1225
00:58:04,610 --> 00:58:06,010
They're about life in general.
1226
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:08,930
And he told a story
about the geese.
1227
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,730
And they'd be
flying in an arrow.
1228
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:15,050
And he'd go, look, that's
what we need to get at.
1229
00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:15,830
Look, that's teamwork.
1230
00:58:15,831 --> 00:58:18,170
They've migrated
from North Africa.
1231
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:21,830
You know, they leave the country
and they're going to fly in the Vs,
1232
00:58:21,831 --> 00:58:25,730
two lots of Vs, and the ones
at the back are not working.
1233
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:29,170
They're carried by the
stream of the ones in front.
1234
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:31,773
You know, one flies at
the front and when he
1235
00:58:31,774 --> 00:58:33,590
gets tired, he goes
to the back and they...
1236
00:58:33,865 --> 00:58:36,610
And he was trying to
emphasise the need for teamwork.
1237
00:58:37,185 --> 00:58:38,050
They don't fly off individually.
1238
00:58:38,051 --> 00:58:39,550
They fly off together.
1239
00:58:39,855 --> 00:58:44,430
These geese are flying 4,000 miles
to get to a better, warmer climate.
1240
00:58:45,020 --> 00:58:48,150
All I'm asking for you is to
play 38 games in a season.
1241
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:51,270
There were some team talks
he'd give that made you shiver.
1242
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:54,450
And that was one
that I'll never forget.
1243
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,790
Later in the season, we might be going
through a bad time and we'd look up in the
1244
00:58:58,791 --> 00:59:02,010
sky and see the same birds
and they're all over the place.
1245
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:03,130
They're in like a...
1246
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:05,030
No-one's leading and...
1247
00:59:06,090 --> 00:59:07,136
You know, look at us there.
1248
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,030
We're all over the place.
1249
00:59:08,031 --> 00:59:10,130
Look at us getting in our role.
1250
00:59:11,655 --> 00:59:15,390
Alex Ferguson, in my view, could have
been a great leader in any walk of life.
1251
00:59:15,610 --> 00:59:17,930
I mean, if he'd gone into business, he
would have been a great business leader.
1252
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:19,271
If he'd gone into
politics, he would have
1253
00:59:19,295 --> 00:59:21,790
been a fantastic
political leader, actually.
1254
00:59:22,570 --> 00:59:24,982
But he chose sport and
he became a great sports
1255
00:59:24,983 --> 00:59:26,990
coach, probably the
greatest in the world.
1256
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:30,670
He always fulfilled his promise to
make sure that his group of players,
1257
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:34,990
his 18, his 20, got what they actually
were promised at the start of the season.
1258
00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:36,446
They all felt like they
were contributing.
1259
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:37,810
And he always
made you feel special.
1260
00:59:37,811 --> 00:59:41,450
No matter how small your contribution,
you may feel it was, he always made you
1261
00:59:41,451 --> 00:59:43,211
feel special, that your
contribution was big.
1262
00:59:43,795 --> 00:59:45,715
His management of
people was brilliant like that.
1263
00:59:45,865 --> 00:59:50,510
What I tried to get through to them
was that they were working class.
1264
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:52,670
They're not working class.
1265
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:58,170
Nowhere near working class, because they
come from far more privileged backgrounds
1266
00:59:58,171 --> 01:00:02,170
than I did, and their grandparents
or their fathers came from.
1267
01:00:03,205 --> 01:00:07,090
But it's worth reminding them
that work ethic is so important.
1268
01:00:07,790 --> 01:00:10,646
It doesn't matter how good a player
you are, if you're not prepared to work,
1269
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:13,150
and have a desire to
work, then it means nothing.
1270
01:00:13,445 --> 01:00:15,450
So all my team talks
were based on that.
1271
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:20,350
I would bring out stories, some
imaginative stories, and some actually
1272
01:00:20,351 --> 01:00:24,990
true stories, but always working
on the principle of work ethic.
1273
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,686
I've heard them stories, you know, a
million times, and sometimes you joke,
1274
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,750
you don't even listen,
you've heard them all before.
1275
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:36,470
But what I'd do is I'd look round and
I'd look at, say, Nanny or Anderson,
1276
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:43,630
and the manager's trying to describe
growing up in a Glasgow shipyard in a
1277
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,010
broad Scottish accent, and you see Nanny
and Anderson and all the foreign players
1278
01:00:49,011 --> 01:00:53,050
who could hardly speak English,
going, what is he going on about?
1279
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:54,930
I don't understand their work.
1280
01:00:55,170 --> 01:00:58,970
But they're just, you know, they're trying
to look interested, and I just used to
1281
01:00:58,971 --> 01:01:00,113
sometimes just look
round the dressing room
1282
01:01:00,114 --> 01:01:02,391
and go, I haven't got a
clue what he's saying.
1283
01:01:03,070 --> 01:01:05,230
What's the best excuse to
give you for leaving you out?
1284
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:06,110
To what?
1285
01:01:06,111 --> 01:01:07,111
To what?
1286
01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:07,770
To what?
1287
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:08,670
To what?
1288
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:10,510
Sharpie always
does well at Villa Park.
1289
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:12,426
He always does well, so
I'm not going to play you.
1290
01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:16,230
He said he was leaving me out at Chelsea
once because they had some Combat 18
1291
01:01:16,231 --> 01:01:21,890
fanatics in the crowd and he
thought I was a bit too young for it.
1292
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:25,570
The best thing he gave me was, you
know, it's a nice ground and you come
1293
01:01:25,571 --> 01:01:28,211
into your own on a heavy pitch,
so in November you'll be my player.
1294
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:30,910
So I only play you one
month a year, mate.
1295
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:32,030
One month a season.
1296
01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:33,070
One month a season.
1297
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:41,070
The thing about Nicky is, regardless of
his age, he always had that schoolboy,
1298
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:45,630
9, 10, 11-year-old look on
his face of up to no good.
1299
01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:48,750
Stralix used to say,
but you're up to no good.
1300
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,080
All the time.
1301
01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:52,526
Silly little child, this thing.
1302
01:01:52,550 --> 01:01:55,482
I did one once with a
teapot and Peter Schmeichel,
1303
01:01:55,483 --> 01:01:58,190
you know, big
six-foot-eight-man giant.
1304
01:01:58,610 --> 01:02:02,130
You come in the dressing room and
there's a tray of sandwiches and a big hot,
1305
01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:06,270
you know, the big hot, you know,
hot silver pots with tea and hot coffee.
1306
01:02:07,550 --> 01:02:10,790
And, obviously, we're just sat in
the dressing room freezing cold day.
1307
01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:14,830
Peter Schmeichel's, obviously,
he walks up to get a sandwich,
1308
01:02:14,910 --> 01:02:17,330
a cup of tea, absolutely,
absolutely bollocko.
1309
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:23,150
And I put a kettle, a steaming hot kettle
on the bed and I put it behind his arse
1310
01:02:23,151 --> 01:02:25,186
like that, just sort of, I was like
that, looking at it, I was laughing,
1311
01:02:25,210 --> 01:02:27,290
thinking, he's just going
to just touch it there.
1312
01:02:28,070 --> 01:02:31,870
I looked round like that, he turned round,
full pirouette, and caught his manhood
1313
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:33,020
right on the pot.
1314
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:37,110
And you heard a little tsss, like that as
well, and we're just looking in absolute
1315
01:02:37,111 --> 01:02:39,170
disbelief and can't
believe what he's done.
1316
01:02:39,555 --> 01:02:43,890
And all I hear is,
what are you doing?
1317
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:45,990
He screamed as loud as he could.
1318
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:49,570
I don't know, he was just going to kill
me, so I was literally dropped the kettle
1319
01:02:49,571 --> 01:02:52,171
and just legging it right all round
the cliff and he's chasing me.
1320
01:02:52,860 --> 01:02:54,700
Ended up having a big
blister on the end of it.
1321
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:56,056
I don't know what
he was thinking.
1322
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,890
It was just a naughty school kid in
him, right, I've got a pot here, he's like,
1323
01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:03,870
I don't think I'll have to do that,
it's nothing else, right, I'll do it.
1324
01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:07,570
And I don't... I just... I
think he just lost himself.
1325
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:09,970
It's one of the funniest
things I've ever seen.
1326
01:03:10,210 --> 01:03:11,210
Brilliant.
1327
01:03:11,345 --> 01:03:12,756
Manchester was
absolutely brilliant.
1328
01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:14,300
We were young lads
playing for United.
1329
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:15,756
What couldn't we be happy about?
1330
01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:17,124
We were doing everything
that you wanted to do
1331
01:03:17,125 --> 01:03:19,411
with the badge that you
wanted to wear, winning.
1332
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,110
At the time, there
was a lot of optimism.
1333
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:24,616
You know, six lads from
the youth team have gone
1334
01:03:24,617 --> 01:03:26,490
through and are regulars
now in the United team.
1335
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:28,270
It was becoming a
young person's world.
1336
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:32,370
You know, music was changing, politics
was changing, football was changing.
1337
01:03:32,565 --> 01:03:36,830
You had a young band from
Burnage, Oasis, just ruling the world.
1338
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:38,650
And it gave a lot of optimism.
1339
01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:40,330
You could feel it
within the country.
1340
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,230
Life in England was
just going along nicely.
1341
01:03:43,410 --> 01:03:45,790
And then all of a sudden,
there was this... this razzmatazz.
1342
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:54,770
It was this surge, this tidal wave
of culture that suddenly dominated,
1343
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:58,390
suddenly looked sparkled
in front of the world.
1344
01:04:01,610 --> 01:04:04,970
I got a Union Jack guitar
and I sent it to him to sign.
1345
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:07,026
And I really should have
known better, to be fair.
1346
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:11,410
He sent it back with, to Gary, how
many England caps do you deserve?
1347
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:13,190
I'll tell you, none.
1348
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:16,590
Lots of love, Noel Gallagher,
and put MCFC all over it.
1349
01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:23,288
There was that
feeling, in that few years
1350
01:04:23,289 --> 01:04:26,190
preceding that, the public
spirit had disappeared.
1351
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:29,972
This long period of
individuality, of selfishness,
1352
01:04:29,973 --> 01:04:32,130
you know, there's no
such thing as society.
1353
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:37,710
That led, inexorably, to us wanting
to re-establish a sense of idealism.
1354
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:44,970
17 years of hurt never stopped us
dreaming Labour's coming home.
1355
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:51,430
I was constantly aware of the
fact that I was young, very young.
1356
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:55,210
And I remember the very first day I came
into Downing Street, going down to meet
1357
01:04:55,211 --> 01:04:58,990
the head of the civil service, who
was a much more senior figure from the
1358
01:04:58,991 --> 01:05:04,870
British establishment, and he looked
at me and said, well done, what now?
1359
01:05:05,290 --> 01:05:08,810
You don't realise until you look back
how important a time that was and how
1360
01:05:08,811 --> 01:05:11,390
fortunate you were to be
around the place in them days.
1361
01:05:11,980 --> 01:05:16,650
What those young players felt was possible
for them as players, there was a curious
1362
01:05:16,651 --> 01:05:19,710
kind of echo in culture,
in art, and in politics.
1363
01:05:20,110 --> 01:05:24,730
I mean, when I look back now and think of
the changes we made to the House of Lords
1364
01:05:24,731 --> 01:05:27,770
getting rid of their hereditary peers,
Scottish devolution giving Scotland its
1365
01:05:27,771 --> 01:05:31,570
first parliament and then peace in
Northern Ireland, sometimes I think we...
1366
01:05:31,571 --> 01:05:37,490
What was great about the spirit of that
time was that what on rational analysis
1367
01:05:37,491 --> 01:05:42,450
was impossible became imbued by a spirit
of possibility and was actually done.
1368
01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:47,930
There was a kind of hope, got back into
everything, you know, and it was a great
1369
01:05:47,931 --> 01:05:50,570
time of change and
it's party time, you know.
1370
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:51,810
It was good times.
1371
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,342
The Stretford end gets
knocked down and all of a sudden
1372
01:05:56,343 --> 01:05:59,670
you've got this massive big
new stadium at Old Trafford.
1373
01:05:59,710 --> 01:06:03,310
You've got stadiums going out
around the world, bigger and better.
1374
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:05,186
Everything was getting
bigger and better.
1375
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:08,090
The game became completely
different, the way in which it was viewed,
1376
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:09,914
the way in which it was
televised, the money
1377
01:06:09,938 --> 01:06:12,010
that came into the
game, the wages going up.
1378
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:16,370
English soccer became a
major part of our identity.
1379
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:20,140
You know, suddenly it went
from something that was politically
1380
01:06:20,141 --> 01:06:23,310
kind of irrelevant to something
that was politically important.
1381
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:27,430
We were part, probably,
of a revolution in a way.
1382
01:06:27,705 --> 01:06:30,801
I suppose if you had to
pick a footballer to epitomise
1383
01:06:30,861 --> 01:06:32,910
that more than any, it
would be David Beckham.
1384
01:06:46,530 --> 01:06:50,530
I grew up in East London,
born in Leytonstone.
1385
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:57,030
I lived in Leytonstone, right near the
dog track, for about ten years and then we
1386
01:06:57,031 --> 01:06:59,010
moved to Chingford, a
posh part of East London.
1387
01:06:59,170 --> 01:07:02,153
We stayed there
up until I left, for
1388
01:07:02,165 --> 01:07:05,970
Manchester, which was
when I was 15 years old.
1389
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:08,250
You know, my dad was
a huge Man United fan.
1390
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:09,690
All he talked about was United.
1391
01:07:10,170 --> 01:07:11,930
His favourite player
was Bobby Charlton.
1392
01:07:12,530 --> 01:07:14,370
My middle name is Robert Joseph.
1393
01:07:14,610 --> 01:07:19,130
Robert because of Bobby Charlton
and Joseph because of my granddad.
1394
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:21,230
My granddad was a Tottenham fan.
1395
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:23,690
He'd been a season
ticket holder for 50 years.
1396
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:29,430
So, at Christmas, my dad always used
to buy me a Man United kit, the new Man
1397
01:07:29,431 --> 01:07:32,751
United kit, and my granddad always used to
say, he used to buy me the Tottenham kit.
1398
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:34,586
What was it like
when you signed that?
1399
01:07:34,610 --> 01:07:39,230
How did you feel when you... Well, it was
brilliant, straight from when we left here.
1400
01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:42,310
When we got there,
it was just brilliant.
1401
01:07:43,170 --> 01:07:44,770
Signing the paper and that...
1402
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:47,050
I just couldn't believe
it was happening.
1403
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:48,770
Bex turned up to United.
1404
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:50,006
He looked like a
Man United mascot.
1405
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:52,889
He had all the tracksuits,
scarves, caps, Bobby Charlton
1406
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:55,670
badges, but he was just
a fanatic Man United fan.
1407
01:07:56,340 --> 01:08:01,150
It was a weird experience for us local
lads to see, you know, Cockney lad,
1408
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,350
knowing more about
United than we did.
1409
01:08:05,050 --> 01:08:06,050
Bit embarrassing.
1410
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,960
So, Alex Ferguson would just
call my mum and dad's house.
1411
01:08:10,045 --> 01:08:14,690
And my mum would answer, and it'd
be this strong Scottish accent, saying,
1412
01:08:15,050 --> 01:08:17,350
you know, Mrs Beckham,
it's Alex Ferguson.
1413
01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:19,370
And my mum would be like...
1414
01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,670
And to my dad, you know,
my dad would be like, no way.
1415
01:08:23,810 --> 01:08:26,138
So, my dad would come
on the phone and he'd just
1416
01:08:26,139 --> 01:08:28,310
have a chat, say, you
know, how's David doing?
1417
01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:29,490
How did he do last week?
1418
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:33,380
And most of the time, my dad would say,
he did all right, but he can do better,
1419
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,070
because that's what my dad did.
1420
01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:40,730
When he was 11, every game in London,
Dave would be at the bus as we arrived,
1421
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:41,890
him and his parents.
1422
01:08:42,655 --> 01:08:45,704
In fact, we got him as
a mascot for the game
1423
01:08:45,705 --> 01:08:48,290
at West Ham one day,
and he was over the moon.
1424
01:08:48,915 --> 01:08:50,755
So, it was sealed, he
was never going anywhere.
1425
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:53,472
And Brucey and Robbo
would just take the mick
1426
01:08:53,492 --> 01:08:55,830
out of him, flipping out,
he must be some player.
1427
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:58,096
What's he doing in Man
United's dressing room?
1428
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,510
I'd go in the changing room, and I'd
help Norman pick up the dirty pants,
1429
01:09:01,810 --> 01:09:03,710
the dirty socks, the
dirty shorts from the...
1430
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:04,990
I was loving it.
1431
01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:08,890
You know, it was Man United, Man
United players, just kind of dropping their
1432
01:09:08,891 --> 01:09:12,610
underwear on the floor, and I
was grabbing it, putting it in the box.
1433
01:09:13,045 --> 01:09:18,050
I liked him a lot, because he behaved
in the same way as everyone else.
1434
01:09:18,051 --> 01:09:23,050
I mean, with the president, and with the
people who took care of the equipment,
1435
01:09:23,290 --> 01:09:26,990
he tried to treat
people in the same way.
1436
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:29,910
He was very attentive, and he
was very attentive to everyone.
1437
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:36,050
And that, in fact, is the values
that we certainly learnt from him.
1438
01:09:37,900 --> 01:09:38,900
And won't you miss home?
1439
01:09:39,450 --> 01:09:43,750
I probably will miss it a little bit, but
I'll be doing what I want to do, so...
1440
01:09:44,345 --> 01:09:46,950
What I've always admired about
David is his mental toughness.
1441
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:47,710
It's phenomenal.
1442
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:49,010
I mean, you can say...
1443
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,370
People can say whatever they want
about him, you don't know him, but mental
1444
01:09:51,371 --> 01:09:54,530
toughness is as tough as
anybody you'll ever, ever, ever meet.
1445
01:09:54,805 --> 01:09:56,030
The early years were...
1446
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:58,070
were tough.
1447
01:09:58,071 --> 01:09:58,950
I must admit.
1448
01:09:59,090 --> 01:10:04,490
Being an East London boy moving up
to Manchester, Eric Harrison was so strict
1449
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,170
and so scary.
1450
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:07,650
And my dad was strict.
1451
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:12,270
You know, if I didn't do something right,
if I couldn't do something, and I was lazy
1452
01:10:12,271 --> 01:10:15,110
one day, my dad would
be on me like a ton of bricks.
1453
01:10:15,730 --> 01:10:17,210
And then I had Eric Harrison.
1454
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:20,163
He'd turn around to me
a few times in a game and
1455
01:10:20,203 --> 01:10:22,330
turn around and said,
seriously, stop doing...
1456
01:10:22,670 --> 01:10:23,670
He didn't say seriously.
1457
01:10:23,710 --> 01:10:24,750
He said something else.
1458
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:27,770
But he said, stop doing
those Hollywood balls.
1459
01:10:27,771 --> 01:10:30,970
I remember in the youth team, we used to
have Eric Harrison banging on the door at
1460
01:10:30,971 --> 01:10:34,131
him, calling him all names, and they
would go off being stupid Hollywood passes.
1461
01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:37,830
And he kept doing it, and he'd bang it and
he'd get hammered at it, and he kept doing
1462
01:10:37,831 --> 01:10:39,530
it and doing it and
doing it, and he ended up
1463
01:10:39,531 --> 01:10:41,250
being one of the best
long passes in the game.
1464
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:46,690
You'd make a run and he
would put it on a sixpence for you.
1465
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:48,310
Just, you wouldn't
have to break stride.
1466
01:10:48,475 --> 01:10:53,170
I mean, his 10-yard passing to his 60-yard
passing was just something I've never,
1467
01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:55,670
I've never ever seen
before, never seen since.
1468
01:10:55,965 --> 01:10:57,650
So I knew that I could...
1469
01:10:59,210 --> 01:11:01,530
90% of the time
reach the target.
1470
01:11:01,630 --> 01:11:05,430
But when I didn't, I knew that I
was going to get shouted at by Eric.
1471
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,820
We all got given
car deals with Honda.
1472
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:15,480
So we all had these
Honda Preludes.
1473
01:11:15,620 --> 01:11:19,060
I'd waited for so many months
for that car, so many years.
1474
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:22,080
You know, all the players
had had their car before me.
1475
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:26,300
And I was literally, I think
you had to play 21 games.
1476
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:29,540
And I was like on 18 or 19.
1477
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,560
For like six or eight months, which
was killing me because I was so close.
1478
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:41,580
I went down to Honda, ordered my
car, you know, came out with my Prelude.
1479
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:42,760
I was so happy with it.
1480
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,480
Beck's had a black one.
1481
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:46,580
He paid extra for leather seats.
1482
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:48,240
He used my Evercut bonus.
1483
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,380
I used every, every
penny that I had.
1484
01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:53,480
He paid extra for
these Special Alloys.
1485
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:56,689
And the dealer, he said
to me, he said, you know
1486
01:11:56,690 --> 01:11:59,140
that you have to give
this car back after a year.
1487
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,156
And I was saying, yeah,
yeah, yeah, it'll be fine.
1488
01:12:01,180 --> 01:12:02,420
We just used each other's cars.
1489
01:12:03,070 --> 01:12:05,670
Every day we would use Beck's,
because he had these leather seats.
1490
01:12:06,740 --> 01:12:07,800
And he would go mad.
1491
01:12:08,185 --> 01:12:09,556
Because we got
our football boots on.
1492
01:12:09,580 --> 01:12:11,793
So we're dirtying his
car, and he used, let's,
1493
01:12:11,873 --> 01:12:13,880
let's, don't scuff the
leather, whatever you do.
1494
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:19,020
I can't actually remember saying it, but
it sounds like something that I would say.
1495
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,479
As soon as he said that,
every day, we would just
1496
01:12:21,519 --> 01:12:23,100
stand outside his car,
are you ready, Beck's?
1497
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:24,260
We're ready to go over.
1498
01:12:24,895 --> 01:12:27,700
And he would have to drive over,
and we would just ruin his seat.
1499
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,040
We'd just ruin, you know, put...
1500
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:31,300
our studs over the seats.
1501
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:35,700
I got nicked in the end, the car,
but it looked great while I had it.
1502
01:12:38,410 --> 01:12:40,234
The goal he scored
against Wimbledon, he
1503
01:12:40,246 --> 01:12:42,261
practised that in
training every single day.
1504
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:43,590
Every single day he'd do that.
1505
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:45,776
Just booting balls
from the half-way line.
1506
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,260
I call it booting, he was striking them
from the half-way line towards the goal.
1507
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,880
Striking a ball was incredible.
1508
01:12:56,730 --> 01:12:58,330
I was injured that game.
1509
01:12:59,150 --> 01:13:01,470
One of my mates says, Beck's
has just scored from the half-way line.
1510
01:13:01,490 --> 01:13:04,410
So I'm thinking,
slight exaggeration.
1511
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:09,290
Probably scored, like, maybe on the
angle from 40 yards or something like that.
1512
01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:19,690
I remember Eric Cantona just shaking his
head and I'm thinking, that's Eric Cantona.
1513
01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:21,810
And he obviously thinks
the goal was pretty good.
1514
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,510
The manager turned round to
me and said, lucky that went in.
1515
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:26,990
I think I would
have been pulled off.
1516
01:13:28,090 --> 01:13:30,410
Even if he hadn't
scored his goal...
1517
01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:33,830
it was a good idea.
1518
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:39,070
That was when it really all went like
that and the publicity went like that.
1519
01:13:39,190 --> 01:13:41,430
It must have been zoomed
all around the world, that goal.
1520
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:43,990
The last person to do it
would have been Pele, I think.
1521
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:45,590
He didn't score it.
1522
01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:46,530
And do you know something?
1523
01:13:46,875 --> 01:13:47,970
He wanted to be a star.
1524
01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:52,230
He wanted to have leather
in his car when we had cloth.
1525
01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:55,510
He wanted to have the best
speakers in his boot for the best music.
1526
01:13:55,710 --> 01:13:57,690
He wanted to propel
himself beyond football.
1527
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,210
Fashion was important to him.
1528
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:00,510
Music was important to him.
1529
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:04,990
Doing things more than just becoming
a football player were important to him.
1530
01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:10,562
I mean, Becks was
obviously a huge star and just
1531
01:14:10,563 --> 01:14:12,670
got bigger and bigger
and bigger and bigger.
1532
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,430
But in regards to in the
dressing room, not a lot changed.
1533
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:18,230
Becks was Becks.
1534
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,330
He had a lot going on.
1535
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,680
You know, a lot of attention.
1536
01:14:20,730 --> 01:14:22,210
He'd scored a goal
against Wimbledon.
1537
01:14:22,650 --> 01:14:23,970
He's now going
out with Victoria.
1538
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,270
They were a massive story.
1539
01:14:25,271 --> 01:14:27,470
So everything that they did,
there was pressure on him.
1540
01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:32,170
You know, what he's achieved is
incredible in terms of his global appeal.
1541
01:14:32,350 --> 01:14:35,050
I mean, it's phenomenal to
think that's a football player.
1542
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:36,950
Who can kick a football well.
1543
01:14:37,090 --> 01:14:41,890
So I went to visit this obscure little
Japanese school in the middle of nowhere.
1544
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:45,790
And I went in and was
introduced to the school assembly.
1545
01:14:48,215 --> 01:14:52,230
And I could see the faintest
idea, frankly, who I was.
1546
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,130
I'm not really sure they could have
pointed to where Britain was on the map.
1547
01:14:57,635 --> 01:15:00,630
And so finally, in desperation, I
uttered the words David Beckham.
1548
01:15:01,090 --> 01:15:03,250
And then there was
immediate ripple of recognition.
1549
01:15:03,251 --> 01:15:05,070
And then you were away.
1550
01:15:05,230 --> 01:15:07,010
The point of connection
was established.
1551
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,762
Becks had always been
comfortable with that, right from
1552
01:15:10,822 --> 01:15:15,190
the start, really, where I
wasn't as comfortable with it.
1553
01:15:15,550 --> 01:15:17,310
And I felt that it was
affecting my football.
1554
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:22,050
Becks did it in a way that
it didn't affect his football.
1555
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:25,470
And luckily for me, sort
of, they left me alone.
1556
01:15:25,630 --> 01:15:29,290
And then Becks sort of
took it on to a next level.
1557
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,830
I thought, how could
he cope with this?
1558
01:15:31,890 --> 01:15:32,510
And he always did.
1559
01:15:32,511 --> 01:15:33,890
He always did.
1560
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:37,310
And you were always worried, as a friend,
that when would this have an impact?
1561
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:42,050
We played really well.
1562
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,240
We were playing great.
1563
01:15:46,050 --> 01:15:49,530
And then I remember being
absolutely hit from behind.
1564
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:52,370
I've reacted...
1565
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:56,350
..just kind of
swung my leg up...
1566
01:15:58,230 --> 01:16:00,870
..in a stupid way.
1567
01:16:02,065 --> 01:16:03,945
As soon as I'd done
that, I knew that I was off.
1568
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:08,270
I knew that I'd made
a huge mistake.
1569
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:12,900
Oh, it's red!
1570
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,640
Oh, no!
1571
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:20,340
At the time, I didn't realise
what would come after that.
1572
01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:23,620
I never thought that I would have
to go through what I went through.
1573
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,040
And I remember being
sat in the changing room.
1574
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:28,340
No-one was obviously in there.
1575
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,280
All the players came in and I
realised that we were knocked out.
1576
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,340
None of the players
said a word to me.
1577
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:40,440
The only people that spoke to me was
Gary, Scolzi, you know, the United players.
1578
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:46,680
And then Tony Adams came up
to me and put his arm round me.
1579
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:48,430
He said, ''Do you
know what, son?
1580
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,160
''Everyone makes mistakes.
1581
01:16:51,455 --> 01:16:55,780
''Forget it.'' I remember walking out
and seeing my mum and dad stood there.
1582
01:16:55,900 --> 01:16:58,700
And I was 21, I
think, at the time.
1583
01:16:58,720 --> 01:16:59,500
21, 22.
1584
01:16:59,501 --> 01:17:03,380
And I remember literally
falling into my dad's arms.
1585
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:10,120
And I haven't sobbed
like that for...for years.
1586
01:17:11,065 --> 01:17:15,260
But, I don't know, my
emotions just got the best of me.
1587
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:19,640
I immediately phoned
him the next day.
1588
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:23,250
''Cos are you depressed?'' ''I
mean, this press are ridiculous.
1589
01:17:23,251 --> 01:17:26,100
'' The boss called me and
he said, ''Don't worry, son.
1590
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:27,600
''It's over.
1591
01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:29,240
''You'll come back.
1592
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:30,620
You're a Manchester
United player.
1593
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:31,860
''We'll look after you.
1594
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:33,770
''Everyone's supporting you.
1595
01:17:34,035 --> 01:17:35,395
''Don't even worry
about anything.
1596
01:17:35,725 --> 01:17:37,400
''Go away, have a
few weeks of holiday.
1597
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:38,790
''Get some rest.
1598
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,236
''But when you come back to Manchester
United, ''you know you've got the support
1599
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:50,260
of everyone.'' David was the first England
player to receive that level of abuse for
1600
01:17:50,261 --> 01:17:53,460
a mistake that someone
had made on a football field.
1601
01:17:54,220 --> 01:17:55,300
It was sickening.
1602
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,160
It was vile.
1603
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,400
It was bordering on criminality.
1604
01:17:57,401 --> 01:17:59,881
It was criminal, some of the
things that he had to put up with.
1605
01:18:00,460 --> 01:18:02,040
I had quite a few death threats.
1606
01:18:02,180 --> 01:18:05,980
I'd had bullets through
the post, delivered.
1607
01:18:06,965 --> 01:18:11,300
No address on them, just hand
delivered through my letterbox.
1608
01:18:11,755 --> 01:18:14,060
It happened to my brother
in 2000, two years later.
1609
01:18:14,635 --> 01:18:16,595
My brother gives away the
penalty against Romania.
1610
01:18:17,060 --> 01:18:18,280
I got absolutely abused.
1611
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,000
Abused publicly.
1612
01:18:21,730 --> 01:18:22,730
Abused in the media.
1613
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:26,220
And I found it really difficult.
1614
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,900
My wife came home
from work one day.
1615
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:31,340
The gates were on fire with
an England flag on the gates.
1616
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:35,960
You take your wife out for a romantic meal
and you go to the toilet before the meal
1617
01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:38,854
and you get threatened
to have your lights punched
1618
01:18:38,855 --> 01:18:41,080
out and then you go out
and you take your wife home.
1619
01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:44,060
I had journalists turning round to
my grandad, turning round and saying,
1620
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:51,240
''Do you realise what your grandson has
done?'' You know, for me to have heard
1621
01:18:51,241 --> 01:18:57,460
that, that made me feel
worse than anything else.
1622
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,680
To be honest with you, what I suffered
was 10% of what he went through.
1623
01:19:03,020 --> 01:19:05,080
It affected me so much,
it knocked my confidence.
1624
01:19:05,420 --> 01:19:09,260
I needed to get some kind of
happiness for football back in my life.
1625
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:11,320
So I started to pray
before matches.
1626
01:19:11,955 --> 01:19:16,180
I prayed that I'd make my wife, my
children, my mum, my dad, my sister,
1627
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,920
my brother proud of what they
were seeing from me out on the pitch.
1628
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,320
And that's all I did.
1629
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:24,600
I said the same prayer every
week for the rest of my career.
1630
01:19:25,875 --> 01:19:29,400
And he had the same attitude with
Beckham when he was sent off with England,
1631
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:32,860
with me when I was
sent off in Crystal Palace.
1632
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:35,020
And the club had
the same attitude.
1633
01:19:36,220 --> 01:19:38,540
I played for France this time.
1634
01:19:39,855 --> 01:19:42,000
Manchester United asked
me to sign a contract.
1635
01:19:42,980 --> 01:19:44,300
And I was banned
for nine months.
1636
01:19:45,190 --> 01:19:50,140
And France had a
completely opposite attitude.
1637
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:53,980
You have to build
a circle of wagons.
1638
01:19:54,330 --> 01:19:58,760
When someone's getting
it, everyone protects them.
1639
01:19:59,500 --> 01:20:00,500
That's a family.
1640
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,080
That's what you call a family.
1641
01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:05,160
You do the same for your
sons, your daughters, whatever.
1642
01:20:06,020 --> 01:20:07,900
That's exactly what we
did at Manchester United.
1643
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,400
When things happen outside the
club, it's like everything just closes.
1644
01:20:13,255 --> 01:20:15,320
You know, nothing
gets in, nothing gets out.
1645
01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:17,220
The manager protects you.
1646
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,080
When did you allow Mr Beckham to talk
about the incident during the World Cup?
1647
01:20:22,510 --> 01:20:24,270
Well, he doesn't need
to talk about anything.
1648
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:26,020
The Manchester United player.
1649
01:20:27,230 --> 01:20:28,670
He can talk about
Manchester United.
1650
01:20:30,325 --> 01:20:31,805
In French we say
merveilleux malheur.
1651
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:39,640
Sometimes it happens,
something bad to you, but you use it.
1652
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,129
And the way you will
take, it will be even better
1653
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:47,280
than the way you would
have taken if it didn't happen.
1654
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,700
Ah, the net gets out.
1655
01:20:56,980 --> 01:20:57,980
Sad day.
1656
01:20:58,020 --> 01:20:59,020
Sad day.
1657
01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:00,940
Is that the UK?
1658
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:01,580
Sad day.
1659
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,880
First time not being
in here for how long?
1660
01:21:04,420 --> 01:21:05,420
20 years.
1661
01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:07,290
Giggs is still there, though.
1662
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,120
Actually, he almost took me.
1663
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:11,360
That's where I used to sit.
1664
01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:13,380
Are you sat in your seats?
1665
01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:14,620
Yeah.
1666
01:21:14,860 --> 01:21:15,580
They're sat in their seats.
1667
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,360
They've done me over.
1668
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,876
You're sitting in the
keeper, aren't you, guys?
1669
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:18,900
Yeah.
1670
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:34,560
What's going to happen over the next two
weeks, if we're successful, could be the
1671
01:21:34,561 --> 01:21:39,580
most momentous ten
days in the club's history.
1672
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:44,420
Maybe in any English team's history as
well, you know, because the Champions
1673
01:21:44,421 --> 01:21:48,260
League, the FA Cup, the
Championship, it's there for us.
1674
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:53,260
Yeah, with the Tottenham game, it
was the first game of three cup finals.
1675
01:21:53,420 --> 01:21:57,280
That's always ten days, three
games, you win them, history.
1676
01:21:57,580 --> 01:22:00,800
It sounds simple, but
that's what it was, really.
1677
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:05,007
The fact that we had to
beat Tottenham kind of meant
1678
01:22:05,008 --> 01:22:07,601
more to me than probably
most of the other lads.
1679
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,100
The league title there, start
of a three is within reach.
1680
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,380
Manchester United have put
themselves within touching distance.
1681
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:19,880
Can Tottenham Hotspur, of all
people, open the door for Arsenal?
1682
01:22:20,980 --> 01:22:23,640
Up to our time, I could have
scored three, four, five goals.
1683
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,700
I had that many
chances and nil blew it.
1684
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,040
Of course, United be United,
they have to do it the hard way.
1685
01:22:29,260 --> 01:22:30,380
Go one nil down.
1686
01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:32,640
You know, that's
not in the script.
1687
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:33,880
You know, what's going on?
1688
01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:37,120
I had a great chance
with my head to skydive.
1689
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:41,100
And all of a sudden, you kind of
think, it's not going to be our day.
1690
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,340
We're going to blow it on
the last game of the season.
1691
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,960
And then you just
look for heroes.
1692
01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:47,220
Tottenham seem to
bring out the best in Becks.
1693
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,080
He used to always
score great goals.
1694
01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:52,760
Whatever stadium you are in the world,
when the ball comes to him, you know
1695
01:22:52,761 --> 01:22:54,973
because he's practised so
hard throughout his career,
1696
01:22:54,974 --> 01:22:59,120
he's going to produce that
same technique, same quality.
1697
01:22:59,420 --> 01:23:00,420
Giggs to Scholes.
1698
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:02,920
Scholes to Beckham.
1699
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:10,860
It was a great goal.
1700
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,380
Great technique.
1701
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:13,420
Everything what
David was about, really.
1702
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:17,700
Becks don't get the credit for
some of the goals he scored.
1703
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:22,100
He got robbed in the FA Cup
semi-final because I scored the goal.
1704
01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:26,120
If everyone forgets about his goals,
25 yards, ending it, past David Seaman.
1705
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,260
The Tottenham goal is just...
1706
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:32,280
Only Becks can score it.
1707
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,900
It's like a whip ping.
1708
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,120
It's just a ridiculous goal.
1709
01:23:36,121 --> 01:23:37,220
Then you scored.
1710
01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:37,740
Yeah.
1711
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,860
Just before half-time and
then it sort of lifted everything.
1712
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:42,840
I had missed a load of chances.
1713
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,136
Yeah, we had so many chances.
1714
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,340
I had about four
or five chances.
1715
01:23:45,341 --> 01:23:45,540
Did you?
1716
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:46,380
Great chances, yeah.
1717
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:49,780
I got a bit of a roast in that
half-time, I remember, for that game.
1718
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:52,360
How many chances do
you want to score, yeah?
1719
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:53,920
Nothing was going right for us.
1720
01:23:54,380 --> 01:23:55,820
Scholes obviously
had a few chances.
1721
01:23:56,220 --> 01:24:00,100
It had never happened before that
we'd actually won it here at Old Trafford.
1722
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,560
Did you set the goal up, guys?
1723
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:02,060
Yeah.
1724
01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:03,180
A left-foot hoik.
1725
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,080
Nice.
1726
01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:05,060
It's a wonderful hoik.
1727
01:24:05,061 --> 01:24:05,720
It's a culture.
1728
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:06,140
What's that?
1729
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,396
Passing to his path, I thought.
1730
01:24:07,420 --> 01:24:10,060
A left-foot hoik down the channel
to Coley that he scored from.
1731
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,100
Yeah, it was a big,
long goal, wasn't it?
1732
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:12,960
Fluke.
1733
01:24:13,460 --> 01:24:14,860
Scholes and
Beckham, not that pass.
1734
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,800
Honestly, they've been
talked about forevermore.
1735
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,880
You gave him a big
divot, though, after that.
1736
01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:20,120
Yeah.
1737
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,780
A big 9-9.
1738
01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:23,740
And the fact I hadn't
looked before I played it.
1739
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:25,820
It was a wonderful pass.
1740
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,580
It was platini.
1741
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,520
It was just a hoof
down the channel.
1742
01:24:30,740 --> 01:24:32,460
And Coley just dinked it over.
1743
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,780
And then it was 2-1.
1744
01:24:34,781 --> 01:24:36,156
You're thinking,
right, we're at it.
1745
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:39,600
But then we were hanging on towards
the end because we still needed to win.
1746
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:42,520
And I remember being in the
centre circle when the whistle went.
1747
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,640
I fell to my knees and kind
of held my hands in the air.
1748
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:49,272
I turned around and
Buddy literally comes along,
1749
01:24:49,273 --> 01:24:52,641
grabs me by the shirt, lifts
me up and we celebrate.
1750
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:57,420
Those are special moments that I know my
grandad would have been kind of swearing
1751
01:24:57,421 --> 01:25:02,480
at me, but then also kind of really happy
the fact that I was going to win a league.
1752
01:25:02,481 --> 01:25:06,500
And I think he'd have been even more
happier just because it had even meant us
1753
01:25:06,501 --> 01:25:08,421
winning the league or
Arsenal winning the league.
1754
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,480
And as a Tottenham fan, he was happy
that Man United was winning the league.
1755
01:25:13,505 --> 01:25:15,904
I mean, with Beck
scoring that goal, it was the
1756
01:25:15,905 --> 01:25:18,481
full turnaround really
from the start of the season.
1757
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:24,400
All the World Cup carry on, the backlash
from that, having a brilliant season and
1758
01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:28,080
finishing it with such an
important goal in a league decider.
1759
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:31,100
And, you know, one
ticked off the list, two to go.
1760
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,148
I grew up in a place
called Langley in Middleton,
1761
01:25:59,149 --> 01:26:02,300
it's just a council estate
really, a rough area.
1762
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:05,630
I didn't think it was a rough area,
people from outside probably do,
1763
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:08,560
but it wasn't the
nicest of places I don't
1764
01:26:08,561 --> 01:26:12,540
suppose, but it's where I
grew up and I enjoyed it.
1765
01:26:13,135 --> 01:26:16,413
We had like a square at
the end of our street and a big
1766
01:26:16,414 --> 01:26:19,140
fence and I was just beating
the ball against that all day.
1767
01:26:19,141 --> 01:26:22,780
And then the neighbours tried to
ban me, tried to stop me playing.
1768
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,076
And I think there was always
arguments with my dad and
1769
01:26:25,077 --> 01:26:27,221
the next door neighbour
about stopping me from playing.
1770
01:26:28,450 --> 01:26:30,560
Then you get the no
ball game sign, don't you?
1771
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:32,596
You're not allowed
to play anymore.
1772
01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:34,980
You have to go off, try and
play football wherever you can.
1773
01:26:36,650 --> 01:26:38,811
It's hard to explain
Scholes because there's
1774
01:26:38,812 --> 01:26:41,080
probably three or four
different sides to him.
1775
01:26:41,195 --> 01:26:43,258
As a character, he was
always quiet, but, you
1776
01:26:43,308 --> 01:26:46,860
know, with this dry sense
of humour and one-liners.
1777
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:48,420
Finished training.
1778
01:26:48,421 --> 01:26:49,700
Straight off home.
1779
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:52,140
You know, we would joke,
where's Scholes gone?
1780
01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:53,420
Didn't even see him leave.
1781
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:58,580
Goes back in his bat cave, in his room,
his packet of wine gums, his minstrels,
1782
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,180
his M&M's, whatever
he has, watches his telly.
1783
01:27:02,545 --> 01:27:05,780
And the next time you see him is if you
go round to his room and you go in his room
1784
01:27:05,781 --> 01:27:09,220
and it was funny because whatever time
of day you'd go into Paul Scholes' room,
1785
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:11,120
it'd be pitch black.
1786
01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:15,263
The curtains would be
closed, he'd be in bed with
1787
01:27:15,264 --> 01:27:18,581
his shorts on, pitch
black with the telly on.
1788
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,300
I also liked the player
and the person he was.
1789
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,740
He was someone who didn't
make a lot of noise off the pitch.
1790
01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:28,450
He was very good on the pitch, but
we didn't see him much off the pitch.
1791
01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:30,620
But I suppose for me,
Scholes, I love that.
1792
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:34,480
It's just very romantic, that idea of a
guy who doesn't really care about all this.
1793
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:35,740
Not so much.
1794
01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:37,596
Not really bothered
about all that, really.
1795
01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:40,920
Just wants to play the game,
get on with it and live a normal life.
1796
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:43,920
I think a lot of us
relate to that, you know.
1797
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:47,680
People ask me to do interviews
and I don't have to do them.
1798
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:49,480
To me, it's just not necessary.
1799
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:54,367
All I wanted to do was
play football and I never
1800
01:27:54,368 --> 01:27:57,981
realised that all that
side came with it, really.
1801
01:27:58,230 --> 01:28:01,000
He hasn't changed as a person,
he hasn't changed as a player.
1802
01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:07,000
He's just one of these naturally gifted
players that just gets on with the job.
1803
01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:08,920
But he's so talented.
1804
01:28:09,285 --> 01:28:11,480
He was a frightening
football player.
1805
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:16,920
Frightening football player in terms of his
awareness, intelligence, speed of thought.
1806
01:28:17,345 --> 01:28:18,376
It was evident how good he was.
1807
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,860
His vision was second to none.
1808
01:28:19,900 --> 01:28:22,300
He knew before anybody what
he was going to do with the ball.
1809
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:25,400
If you had Paul Scholes on your
side in training, you were winning.
1810
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:30,000
You know, his tackles
are really, really bad.
1811
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:32,640
Never gets the ball.
1812
01:28:32,810 --> 01:28:34,804
When I foul someone,
it's normally because
1813
01:28:34,805 --> 01:28:37,000
I was probably just
trying to get them back.
1814
01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:39,460
If they did something to me.
1815
01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:41,870
He's a good tackler,
he just likes fouling.
1816
01:28:42,030 --> 01:28:43,430
He just likes
leaving a bit on him.
1817
01:28:43,630 --> 01:28:46,740
He's a good tackler, Scorsese,
but he gets away with it because he...
1818
01:28:47,210 --> 01:28:50,640
Obviously, he's made this
thing that he can't tackle.
1819
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:51,856
But if he wanted to
tackle, he could tackle.
1820
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,100
But he likes waiting back a couple of
yards to show people what he's about.
1821
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,640
He was playing for Boundary
when he was 13, 14, 15.
1822
01:28:58,780 --> 01:28:59,780
He was only small.
1823
01:29:00,010 --> 01:29:02,490
And I think he must have had
that deep down in his head that...
1824
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,296
Just because I'm small, you're not going
to let you kick me up and boss me about.
1825
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,420
I'll leave one or two on you just to
show you that I can compete with it.
1826
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:11,240
And he's never really lost that
and he's kept that going all his life.
1827
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,280
There is nothing more beautiful
than seeing him arrive in that hole.
1828
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,720
Everybody's fascinated.
1829
01:29:16,721 --> 01:29:18,376
There's nothing about
in the penalty area.
1830
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:22,180
There's a big hole outside the
penalty area, outside the penalty box.
1831
01:29:22,565 --> 01:29:23,565
And there he is arriving.
1832
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:25,520
All back for Scholes.
1833
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,900
That's one of the kind of
great moments in life, I think.
1834
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:31,880
Seeing Paul Scholes
arise for a screamer.
1835
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:37,740
The best way I found it was trying to keep
things as simple as it possibly could be.
1836
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,040
I think the minute you start trying to
do things you can't, you're not good at.
1837
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,547
So if I wouldn't
start trying dribbling,
1838
01:29:44,548 --> 01:29:46,420
trying to beat people,
it'd be a waste of time.
1839
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,520
I mean, if you know Scholes,
you just don't turn your back on him.
1840
01:29:50,820 --> 01:29:55,240
You know, you go out and train and we'd
be on a field and if you needed a piss or
1841
01:29:55,241 --> 01:29:58,160
something, you'd go over in the
bushes, but you'd never turn your back.
1842
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,120
I mean, you learn that as a young
player, you'd never turn your back.
1843
01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:03,400
So you'd be, you
know, you'd be...
1844
01:30:03,401 --> 01:30:06,100
I was trying to hit someone
on the back of the head.
1845
01:30:06,140 --> 01:30:08,580
Not intensely, well,
a little bit intensely.
1846
01:30:08,620 --> 01:30:10,820
Just aim for him if they
weren't quite watching.
1847
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,940
You'd go over and Scholes
would just be peppering balls at him.
1848
01:30:15,941 --> 01:30:19,980
And now and again, he'd obviously
hit you, more often than not, actually.
1849
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,900
So if you were new or if you were
a foreign player and you didn't know
1850
01:30:23,901 --> 01:30:28,180
Scholes, you soon got to know,
if you're going to have a piss,
1851
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:29,900
then don't turn your back.
1852
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,360
One day I did catch Phil
Neville with a beauty, actually.
1853
01:30:32,380 --> 01:30:35,500
He was about 60 yards away,
right on the other side of the pitch.
1854
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:38,460
And I think he was doing a bit
of extra running after training.
1855
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,958
A few lads were sat
down up and I've smacked
1856
01:30:40,959 --> 01:30:43,220
a ball and it's just
hitting full on the head.
1857
01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:45,420
And he's gone down
eating grass and everything.
1858
01:30:45,421 --> 01:30:48,760
And it was on the
floor pissing ourselves.
1859
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:50,700
And he didn't have a
clue which one of us it was.
1860
01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:53,060
It was one of them
perfect moments.
1861
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,160
But like I say, I just saw that as
a bit of passing practice, really.
1862
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:10,590
The FA Cup final, to me, and probably
to you as well, growing up as a kid,
1863
01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:14,050
it's something
you look forward to.
1864
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:18,338
The Twin Towers at Wembley,
just a full day, I think, getting
1865
01:31:18,339 --> 01:31:21,131
up from nine o'clock in the
morning, whoever's playing in it.
1866
01:31:21,465 --> 01:31:23,665
It was just the biggest day
of the football year for me.
1867
01:31:24,390 --> 01:31:28,490
It was the biggest thing in my
eyes as a kid, was the FA Cup final.
1868
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:34,350
And to even think about being able to
be involved in one or a couple of them was
1869
01:31:34,351 --> 01:31:37,230
just something you'd laugh
about as a kid, wouldn't you?
1870
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:38,639
If you told your teacher
you were going to do
1871
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,891
that, he'd probably piss
himself laughing at you.
1872
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:45,870
Growing up, like I say, the
FA Cup, just, it was huge.
1873
01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:48,190
The game, the build-up.
1874
01:31:49,730 --> 01:31:51,370
And also what we got to do.
1875
01:31:51,371 --> 01:31:54,970
What we got to experience
was FA Cup songs as well.
1876
01:31:55,110 --> 01:32:01,470
Here we go, here we go When you're singing
with one united voice You're letting us
1877
01:32:01,471 --> 01:32:07,170
know we have no choice but to carry
on Our winning ways seem to be our...
1878
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:09,990
You've probably got footage of
the songs as well, haven't you?
1879
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,500
They're just embarrassing,
it's shocking, aren't they?
1880
01:32:17,995 --> 01:32:22,580
It's just something that's so
much out of my comfort zone.
1881
01:32:22,581 --> 01:32:23,520
It's untrue.
1882
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:24,600
I just...
1883
01:32:24,905 --> 01:32:28,200
You know, I remember some rapper or
something, I can't even remember his name,
1884
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:32,740
coming to the dressing room and we're all
up dancing, trying to dance on the side,
1885
01:32:32,900 --> 01:32:34,960
on the benches
where you get changed.
1886
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:36,160
It's just so embarrassing.
1887
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:41,660
Three, four, two, three, four, two,
three, four And we did the video in
1888
01:32:41,661 --> 01:32:44,940
the dressing room and we're all sort
of, you know, it's sort of a hip-hop feel.
1889
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,840
And I don't think Scorsese enjoyed
that with a baseball cap on the side.
1890
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,220
He wasn't giving it all
that in the dressing room.
1891
01:32:52,221 --> 01:32:54,820
But it was, yeah, it
was cringe-worthy.
1892
01:32:55,305 --> 01:32:56,888
It was stupid, the camera
panning on us and we're
1893
01:32:56,912 --> 01:33:00,320
all in that training kit,
dancing around like idiots.
1894
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:01,520
And there was another one.
1895
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,480
But they were a big
part of the FA Cup final.
1896
01:33:05,650 --> 01:33:07,136
Was it the John Barnes
one with Liverpool?
1897
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,680
It was good, wasn't it?
1898
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:09,760
It was good to watch.
1899
01:33:10,750 --> 01:33:12,470
But to be involved
in that, it was horrible.
1900
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:17,860
The FA Cup final is the time-honoured
finale to the domestic season.
1901
01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:23,720
But if Manchester United can complete
the English double here tonight, a European
1902
01:33:23,721 --> 01:33:26,880
treble, a unique treble
falls within their compass.
1903
01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:31,480
So the FA Cup final comes on the
Saturday and we just want peace.
1904
01:33:32,020 --> 01:33:35,640
We're playing against Newcastle
and you just want a comfortable game.
1905
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:37,520
You never get that
in an FA Cup final.
1906
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,440
It's always nervy,
it's always tense.
1907
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,780
But we got a comfortable game.
1908
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,240
We played really
well in the first half.
1909
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,800
We lost Keeney after about
20 minutes, which was a blow.
1910
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,640
And then Teddy came on.
1911
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:52,200
Even in adversity, things that went
wrong for us ended up being a problem.
1912
01:33:52,220 --> 01:33:54,300
We were positive because
the lad that came on scored.
1913
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:56,040
Scholes.
1914
01:33:56,041 --> 01:33:57,680
That's perfect for Shearingham!
1915
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,320
The substitute scores instantly!
1916
01:34:00,780 --> 01:34:04,215
And Paul Scholes, who
won't have any part to play
1917
01:34:04,216 --> 01:34:07,401
in Barcelona, sadly,
played a big part in that goal.
1918
01:34:07,940 --> 01:34:10,249
And Scholes, he manages
to do what he normally
1919
01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:12,961
does, scores big
goals on big occasions.
1920
01:34:15,020 --> 01:34:17,930
Just to play one, but
to score in the FA Cup
1921
01:34:17,931 --> 01:34:21,921
final, to me, it's the
best thing I've done.
1922
01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:24,420
Scholes, H2!
1923
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:29,600
I think, again, like Scholes, it sort
of goes under the radar, that goal.
1924
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,923
Part of me thinks he
was happy that he was
1925
01:34:31,924 --> 01:34:34,180
sandwiched in between
two of the biggest games.
1926
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:35,120
He scored the winning goal.
1927
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,360
Not only did he score the winning goal
in the Cup final, your face is on the front
1928
01:34:38,361 --> 01:34:42,300
page of the newspapers and you showed
all summer, and you just got lost in the
1929
01:34:42,301 --> 01:34:46,200
euphoria of the previous seven
days and the next three days.
1930
01:34:46,460 --> 01:34:50,620
And it sums up Scholes' character
in a way, because he wasn't bothered.
1931
01:34:50,621 --> 01:34:55,200
This was a lad that was just scored
the winning goal, FA Cup final, go home,
1932
01:34:55,300 --> 01:34:58,080
play with his kids, have
a beer, end of story.
1933
01:35:00,910 --> 01:35:07,700
One thing that the times did represent and
in a way those individuals represented was
1934
01:35:07,701 --> 01:35:12,740
an understanding that although we lived in
more individualistic times, yet there was
1935
01:35:12,741 --> 01:35:18,400
still a unique capacity to be
greater together than you were alone.
1936
01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:20,190
I think in our eyes,
we were just...
1937
01:35:21,575 --> 01:35:22,976
playing a game of
football with our mates.
1938
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,060
I know it sounds a bit...
1939
01:35:26,045 --> 01:35:26,660
It sounds a bit stupid.
1940
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,760
You think, God, you're playing for Man
United, but we were lucky enough to play
1941
01:35:30,761 --> 01:35:34,020
well together and at the same time, we're
playing for the biggest club in the world.
1942
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,196
We bounced off each other.
1943
01:35:35,220 --> 01:35:35,880
We were all pals.
1944
01:35:35,980 --> 01:35:37,720
We all went out,
socialised together.
1945
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,720
We'd even go out with
our girlfriends in groups.
1946
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:43,188
It was just six young
lads who were enjoying
1947
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,680
life like you couldn't
believe, really.
1948
01:35:45,780 --> 01:35:46,860
It was just like a dream.
1949
01:35:47,610 --> 01:35:51,640
No matter where we were from, no matter
how we were brought up, no matter what
1950
01:35:51,641 --> 01:35:55,302
we'd been through
throughout B Team, A Team,
1951
01:35:55,303 --> 01:35:58,561
Reserve Team years, we
all had each other's back.
1952
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,880
When you're talking about brothers,
me and my brother, it wasn't just that.
1953
01:36:01,950 --> 01:36:03,070
Everyone was like a brother.
1954
01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:06,900
No matter whether you'd grown through the
ranks or whether it was a team-mate that'd
1955
01:36:07,130 --> 01:36:08,850
been bought in, you
really looked after one.
1956
01:36:09,125 --> 01:36:12,860
If someone got hurt, we always tried
to make sure we got the person back.
1957
01:36:14,350 --> 01:36:16,040
And it was usually
Nicky that did.
1958
01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:29,890
THEY SING Growing up in
Gorton was just a joy, really.
1959
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:30,870
It was all with all my mates.
1960
01:36:30,990 --> 01:36:32,390
It was a real
working-class place.
1961
01:36:33,570 --> 01:36:34,890
Everyone looked
after each other.
1962
01:36:34,970 --> 01:36:37,050
No matter where you went,
the doors were always open.
1963
01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:42,370
But it's from Gorton, and I think it's
where they film Shameless, so it gives you
1964
01:36:42,371 --> 01:36:44,212
a bit of an idea of the
area, but obviously,
1965
01:36:44,224 --> 01:36:45,830
but he's proud of
where he comes from.
1966
01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:49,450
I think one of his first
cars was an Orion.
1967
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:55,431
I remember getting it once, and I looked
down, and there's a chain about that thick.
1968
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:57,930
Boy, what is that?
1969
01:36:58,150 --> 01:36:59,150
He went, no, no.
1970
01:36:59,230 --> 01:37:01,290
Where I live, you've
got to have one of these.
1971
01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:04,970
And he used to wrap it round the gear
stick, wrap it round the steering wheel,
1972
01:37:05,190 --> 01:37:06,386
and it was the thickest chain.
1973
01:37:06,410 --> 01:37:07,930
I'm surprised the
car could even move.
1974
01:37:08,060 --> 01:37:11,770
It was like an anchor, and it
was just purely for security.
1975
01:37:12,330 --> 01:37:13,330
He was a tough lad.
1976
01:37:13,410 --> 01:37:19,490
He was streetwise, and if there was ever
any trouble, then you knew you could just
1977
01:37:19,491 --> 01:37:22,410
look to your right or left, and
Nicky would be there to sort it out.
1978
01:37:22,411 --> 01:37:25,570
I think he looked after Gary
a few times as well, actually.
1979
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:26,430
Down tunnels.
1980
01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:28,650
It's always nice to have, you know,
a couple of lads alongside you, innit?
1981
01:37:29,325 --> 01:37:33,150
He wasn't the biggest Butty, but he had
good technique of how to get into people,
1982
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:33,790
you know what I mean?
1983
01:37:34,050 --> 01:37:35,650
You know, people
know how to hit people.
1984
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:36,730
But he's Butty.
1985
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:38,890
I mean, he's a
fantastic soldier.
1986
01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:42,050
He's a typical cotton scallywag.
1987
01:37:42,930 --> 01:37:46,590
I always thought Butty would be the first
to make the first team when he came to us.
1988
01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:47,730
I always thought that.
1989
01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:49,530
He was more
mature than the rest.
1990
01:37:49,970 --> 01:37:51,950
I think he'd lived a life
before he came to us.
1991
01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:55,670
Nicky, at youth level, was
the best player in the team.
1992
01:37:56,340 --> 01:37:57,740
He had an unbelievable
temperament.
1993
01:37:57,770 --> 01:38:00,590
He could play on any stage,
any level, and not be phased.
1994
01:38:04,955 --> 01:38:09,240
We started thinking this was going to
be magical, probably after the FA Cup,
1995
01:38:10,005 --> 01:38:12,845
cos all the hype was about the
treble, but we never really mentioned it.
1996
01:38:13,130 --> 01:38:16,460
Everyone must have thought about it
deep down, but never come out vocally.
1997
01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:21,255
We had a big problem
because Keeney and Scholes,
1998
01:38:21,256 --> 01:38:24,561
they were banned for
the final European Cup.
1999
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:25,760
Scholes tackled.
2000
01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:27,180
Well, he won the ball.
2001
01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:32,620
But the... Oh, it's a yellow card, and
he'll miss the final if United get there.
2002
01:38:32,900 --> 01:38:35,786
I knew from that point I
wasn't going to be available
2003
01:38:35,787 --> 01:38:38,001
for the Champions League
final, and that was that.
2004
01:38:38,705 --> 01:38:39,745
Nothing could do about it.
2005
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:40,980
Do you know what I mean?
2006
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,020
Obviously, he disappointed the team,
a little bit disappointed in his dressing
2007
01:38:44,021 --> 01:38:46,840
room, but the most important
thing was that we'd got there.
2008
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,020
I think the biggest disappointment was
Ryan missing it, cos he's been so good in
2009
01:38:52,021 --> 01:38:54,220
that semi-final that he
was going to be the man.
2010
01:38:54,221 --> 01:38:56,901
It was a major problem in the
final for us, really, not having Ryan.
2011
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:12,180
We needed someone...
2012
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,250
We needed someone that
was willing to take the fight to
2013
01:39:15,251 --> 01:39:18,400
Bayern Munich, and in Nicky
Butt, we had the perfect person.
2014
01:39:18,630 --> 01:39:19,630
He's fearless.
2015
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,200
You know, you go to war,
you take Nicky Butt with you.
2016
01:39:22,540 --> 01:39:26,060
You know, the manager told
him, forget the FA Cup final.
2017
01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:27,240
Forget it.
2018
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:29,276
You're playing in the
Champions League final.
2019
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:30,340
You know, I can't risk it.
2020
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:32,680
I was distraught, I was
thinking... I was devastated.
2021
01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:35,316
I was thinking, well, I was just saying
to the manager, where's the FA Cup?
2022
01:39:35,340 --> 01:39:37,925
But I knew, ultimately,
the end, the reward at
2023
01:39:37,926 --> 01:39:40,920
the end was massive
for myself and the club.
2024
01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:46,540
He's the, you know, the only real
proper centre midfielder in the team,
2025
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,960
so there was a bit of pressure on him as
well, and it was against a very good team.
2026
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:53,580
They're showing
the character now.
2027
01:39:53,581 --> 01:39:58,520
The team spirit has been fantastic
since beating Liverpool in the Cup tie.
2028
01:39:58,740 --> 01:40:01,541
It's sort of a focus on
the essential of never
2029
01:40:01,542 --> 01:40:04,381
giving in and team
spirit and determination.
2030
01:40:04,900 --> 01:40:07,800
I was completely on my arse,
and they had to sell me Lambretta.
2031
01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:11,180
The most prized possession
is my Lambretta scooter.
2032
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,760
And I sold it on the Monday, the game was
on the Wednesday, and then booked us on a
2033
01:40:15,761 --> 01:40:19,030
week's holiday to Salou,
and then give 400 quid
2034
01:40:19,031 --> 01:40:21,840
each for a ticket outside
the ground, and we're in.
2035
01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:24,160
It was any means
necessary, you know.
2036
01:40:29,145 --> 01:40:31,680
The new camp is one
of the iconic venues.
2037
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,120
It wasn't plush.
2038
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:34,680
It was pretty old, really.
2039
01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:37,800
You go down the tunnel,
it was bare concrete walls.
2040
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,040
On the right-hand
side, there's a little room.
2041
01:40:40,540 --> 01:40:43,660
It's like a little chapel
where you go in and pray.
2042
01:40:44,105 --> 01:40:46,960
Before you go in out to get killed,
you've got to go and say a prayer first
2043
01:40:46,961 --> 01:40:49,780
type thing, and then you
come to the bottom of the tunnel.
2044
01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:52,478
At the new camp, the steps
go up, and as you're coming
2045
01:40:52,498 --> 01:40:56,240
up the steps, all you can
see is the stadium above you.
2046
01:40:56,380 --> 01:40:59,620
Manchester United were the first
English club to lift the European Cup,
2047
01:40:59,780 --> 01:41:04,340
but no Manchester United team, no
English team has ever won this treble.
2048
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:05,980
History beckons tonight.
2049
01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:09,900
The amount of Man United fans out
there was phenomenal compared to Munich.
2050
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:11,800
It took out three-quarters
of the ground.
2051
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,151
You knew you were in a massive game then,
and then you just look for your family,
2052
01:41:15,175 --> 01:41:17,415
give them a little wave, and
then it's just game on then.
2053
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:19,300
This is it for us.
2054
01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:23,951
This is the moment where
we've become Manchester
2055
01:41:23,952 --> 01:41:27,041
United, or we just win
the league and the FA Cup.
2056
01:41:28,140 --> 01:41:30,620
The game didn't go great,
obviously, with the start.
2057
01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:35,820
And they were such a powerful team,
such an experienced team, that you thought
2058
01:41:35,821 --> 01:41:39,700
back in your mind, is it one too
many to come back in this game?
2059
01:41:39,780 --> 01:41:40,600
We've done it so much.
2060
01:41:40,740 --> 01:41:42,700
Have we run out of luck?
2061
01:41:42,740 --> 01:41:46,860
Have we run out of
something at the crucial point?
2062
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:51,760
And Manchester United, as they've done
time and time again on this European run,
2063
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,260
have made it hard for them.
2064
01:41:53,261 --> 01:41:54,701
They've done so
much for themselves.
2065
01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:59,200
At half-time, I remember the managers
sitting down with us and I could tell,
2066
01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:02,180
you know, there was a few nerves
throughout the team and players.
2067
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:07,940
He told us, just think how you would
feel if you had to walk past that Champions
2068
01:42:07,941 --> 01:42:11,260
League trophy and you couldn't
touch it, you couldn't pick it up.
2069
01:42:13,210 --> 01:42:14,330
You know, you hadn't won it.
2070
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:19,820
So, you know, if you're feeling tired or
if you feel like you can't run any more,
2071
01:42:20,135 --> 01:42:21,080
just think of that.
2072
01:42:21,081 --> 01:42:23,567
Just think of having to
walk past it and you can't
2073
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,220
pick it up, you can't
touch it, you can't kiss it.
2074
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:31,600
The only doubts that I ever had were
probably in the last half an hour of the
2075
01:42:31,601 --> 01:42:34,560
Champions League final because, by
and mean, it was still getting chances.
2076
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:38,146
They were hitting the
bar, they were hitting
2077
01:42:38,158 --> 01:42:40,420
the post and we
weren't playing well.
2078
01:42:40,580 --> 01:42:41,860
Things weren't happening for us.
2079
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:43,660
We weren't getting
our crosses in.
2080
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:44,960
I wasn't overlapping.
2081
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:46,880
Giggs wasn't
getting his dribbles in.
2082
01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:50,260
We didn't have the combinations
between York and Cole.
2083
01:42:50,261 --> 01:42:52,080
They were things
that we'd done all year.
2084
01:42:52,220 --> 01:42:54,460
There was no
momentum in the game.
2085
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:56,527
And all of a sudden,
with about 15 minutes
2086
01:42:56,528 --> 01:42:58,380
to go, Becks came out
to the right-hand side.
2087
01:42:58,780 --> 01:43:00,040
We made a couple of changes.
2088
01:43:00,820 --> 01:43:06,000
Teddy came on, Oli came on and
all of a sudden I thought, here we go.
2089
01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:10,320
It was disaster for the
club, Roy Keane, missing it.
2090
01:43:10,340 --> 01:43:11,340
Disaster for Roy Keane.
2091
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,660
But maybe that was God's way of
saying, this is Nicky Butt's moment.
2092
01:43:16,980 --> 01:43:22,140
If people ever sort of doubted how
good a player Buttie was, then that shows
2093
01:43:22,141 --> 01:43:25,980
everything about the player,
because he was just a rock that night.
2094
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,000
It was immense.
2095
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:28,600
I was there.
2096
01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:29,940
What a guy.
2097
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:31,480
Gorton, there you go.
2098
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,220
He's from Manchester.
2099
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:34,400
He knows what it meant.
2100
01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:35,660
You know what I mean?
2101
01:43:35,860 --> 01:43:37,733
But if it goes back to
fundamentally what it was
2102
01:43:37,757 --> 01:43:39,540
about, it was keep driving
forward, keep attacking.
2103
01:43:40,025 --> 01:43:45,000
We got corner after corner after corner,
and with people like Becks on the pitch,
2104
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,820
just put balls in like that, and the
attacking power we had, and the aerial
2105
01:43:48,821 --> 01:43:52,160
power we had, it's shown
to be a matter of time.
2106
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,080
Manchester United teams under Sir
Alex Ferguson always went to the end.
2107
01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:56,940
Always.
2108
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:59,880
Because we always felt, get
one goal, we'll always get another.
2109
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,040
We'll always get a chance.
2110
01:44:01,290 --> 01:44:02,290
Three minutes to go.
2111
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:03,420
Don't panic.
2112
01:44:03,580 --> 01:44:04,600
We always get a chance.
2113
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,220
Three added minutes.
2114
01:44:07,460 --> 01:44:08,460
David Beckham.
2115
01:44:09,460 --> 01:44:10,460
Now Gary...
2116
01:44:11,900 --> 01:44:13,420
Cross deflected.
2117
01:44:13,460 --> 01:44:14,920
Effenberg behind for a corner.
2118
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:16,680
Can Manchester United score?
2119
01:44:16,681 --> 01:44:18,060
They always score.
2120
01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,220
I remember sprinting
over to the corner.
2121
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,784
I had a good feeling,
because I knew that I'd
2122
01:44:22,785 --> 01:44:25,961
been kind of playing
pretty well in the game.
2123
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,760
And I remember putting the ball down,
and it was really tight in the corners.
2124
01:44:29,980 --> 01:44:36,460
I could hear the United fans, but I was
just concentrating more on watching Peter
2125
01:44:36,461 --> 01:44:42,680
Schmeichel run up from his goal,
and knowing that, as a kid, if I put a bad
2126
01:44:42,681 --> 01:44:46,201
cross in while we're
warming the goalkeepers
2127
01:44:46,213 --> 01:44:48,960
up, Pete would
absolutely kill us.
2128
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,930
Yeah, I think those
moments when I was a youth
2129
01:44:51,931 --> 01:44:55,321
team player prepared
me for moments like this.
2130
01:44:55,700 --> 01:44:56,700
Schmeichel is forward.
2131
01:44:56,820 --> 01:44:58,080
Can he score another in Europe?
2132
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:59,380
He's got one in Europe already.
2133
01:44:59,480 --> 01:44:59,560
Beckham.
2134
01:44:59,820 --> 01:45:01,100
In towards Schmeichel.
2135
01:45:01,260 --> 01:45:02,460
It's come for Dwight York.
2136
01:45:03,340 --> 01:45:03,820
Clear.
2137
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:04,660
Giggs with the shot.
2138
01:45:04,860 --> 01:45:05,860
Cherry.
2139
01:45:08,780 --> 01:45:10,580
So then we were
back in the game.
2140
01:45:10,940 --> 01:45:12,160
Everyone was celebrating.
2141
01:45:12,180 --> 01:45:14,980
Everyone was like, you
know, we've got it to extra time.
2142
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:16,500
I looked at...
2143
01:45:16,501 --> 01:45:20,400
the players that I'd grown
up with on the pitch at that
2144
01:45:20,401 --> 01:45:24,900
time, and I knew that they
knew that it wasn't over.
2145
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,620
Thinking, shit, we've
got extra time now.
2146
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:31,540
I'd better get my
legs going again.
2147
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,594
So I've sprinted right
back for like about 50
2148
01:45:33,595 --> 01:45:35,640
yards to try and get some
blood going from my legs.
2149
01:45:35,820 --> 01:45:42,160
As soon as we equalised,
my mindset just switched.
2150
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:43,836
Get this to extra time,
we're going to beat him.
2151
01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:45,220
That was my
mindset straight away.
2152
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,480
We're going to beat
him in extra time.
2153
01:45:46,481 --> 01:45:51,280
And then for the next minute and a half,
I couldn't even tell you what happened.
2154
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:53,080
That's an out-of-body
experience, that.
2155
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,480
We won the ball back again.
2156
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,380
We broke forward.
2157
01:45:57,540 --> 01:45:58,540
We got another corner.
2158
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:00,200
I'm getting goosebumps.
2159
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:01,920
I can feel it.
2160
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,387
I remember the feeling of
getting that ball in the corner,
2161
01:46:06,388 --> 01:46:09,040
knowing that I'm going to
put a good corner in again.
2162
01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:16,460
And then everything
just literally erupted.
2163
01:46:28,700 --> 01:46:31,200
This was what was
meant to happen.
2164
01:46:31,820 --> 01:46:35,180
There's no greater feeling than
scoring in the last minute to win a game.
2165
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:36,540
You know, I've had kids.
2166
01:46:37,260 --> 01:46:37,980
I've had kids.
2167
01:46:38,020 --> 01:46:38,620
I've got married.
2168
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,960
But it's the greatest feeling
in the whole wide world.
2169
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:42,996
I don't remember the final
whistle to be honest with you.
2170
01:46:43,020 --> 01:46:44,420
It was like the
game was over then.
2171
01:46:47,860 --> 01:46:50,020
As soon as the final
whistle went, it was relief.
2172
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:50,880
It was excitement.
2173
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:52,400
It was joy.
2174
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:53,940
It was everything.
2175
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:57,100
And I just went to my knees
and just started sobbing.
2176
01:46:57,540 --> 01:47:01,080
I just remember lying on the floor,
looking up, thinking, almost nearly crying
2177
01:47:01,081 --> 01:47:04,500
on the pitch, thinking, oh, my
God, what has just happened here?
2178
01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:05,740
I went up to Gary.
2179
01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:07,340
The lights were on
when nobody was in.
2180
01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:08,760
His eyes were glazed.
2181
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:10,460
His eyeballs were rolling.
2182
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,348
I looked up and the first
person coming towards me
2183
01:47:14,349 --> 01:47:17,341
was the gaffer and just
got up and just hugged him.
2184
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:19,011
But that night, you
felt like you were
2185
01:47:19,023 --> 01:47:20,780
hugging and you just
never wanted to let go.
2186
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:23,020
The best feeling I've ever
had on a football pitch.
2187
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:24,300
Best.
2188
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:26,260
Best I've ever felt.
2189
01:47:26,261 --> 01:47:31,420
It's the greatest day of my life,
and it's hard for me to comprehend it.
2190
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,160
Gary Neville, 24.
2191
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,460
Phil Neville, 22.
2192
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:36,120
David Beckham, 24.
2193
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,620
Nicky Butt, 24.
2194
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:38,960
Geeks, 25.
2195
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:45,881
Whatever they achieve in their futures,
I doubt that they will ever, ever cap this.
2196
01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:50,200
Manchester United are
champions of Europe again.
2197
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,560
I remember feeling Scolzi
should have been out there with us.
2198
01:47:54,895 --> 01:47:59,200
The image that I like most is when we all
make a tunnel for Scolzi and Keeney and
2199
01:47:59,201 --> 01:48:03,180
they come through and carry the European
Cup because they were absolutely critical
2200
01:48:03,181 --> 01:48:05,100
to everything that we
achieved that season.
2201
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:08,900
I'd have rather just gone in the dressing
room and waited for everyone, really,
2202
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,220
and congratulated people that way,
but, you know, I suppose the players made
2203
01:48:14,221 --> 01:48:20,280
a big deal out of it and me and Roy,
embarrassingly, were on the pitch.
2204
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:31,730
I'll never, ever forget that.
2205
01:48:31,770 --> 01:48:35,390
After all them years of waiting,
and then to see your team win the
2206
01:48:35,391 --> 01:48:38,650
Champions League in your
lifetime in such amazing fashion.
2207
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:40,610
In fact, I missed
the winning goal.
2208
01:48:40,650 --> 01:48:43,890
I was crying like a baby
once that first goal went in.
2209
01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:46,370
I missed the winning goal.
2210
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:50,570
I was just slumped on my seat, just
out of it, emotionally, gone, you know?
2211
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:52,410
I've always been...
2212
01:48:54,665 --> 01:48:56,790
..never got carried away,
never ever got carried away.
2213
01:48:56,890 --> 01:48:59,072
I nearly got carried
away that night, you know,
2214
01:48:59,073 --> 01:49:01,591
but so excited, but it
made me immensely proud.
2215
01:49:05,050 --> 01:49:05,670
It made me feel
like I was in heaven.
2216
01:49:05,671 --> 01:49:08,844
The romance of the
last-minute, never-say-die
2217
01:49:08,944 --> 01:49:11,490
moment of them winning, I
suppose, was very special.
2218
01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:19,190
That continuity between the Busby
Babes being lost as a team, you know,
2219
01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:25,830
that potential, that wonder that was
so tragically interrupted and then being
2220
01:49:25,831 --> 01:49:30,930
renewed by that manager again ten years
later to win the European Cup and then 30
2221
01:49:30,931 --> 01:49:34,510
years later, to have to wait 30
years, to see them do it again was...
2222
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:36,980
Yeah, it's very, very
special, I think, really.
2223
01:49:39,950 --> 01:49:43,690
You were massively aware that night of
what you were representing and the history
2224
01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:50,250
of the club because that's where the
club and all its tradition, all its history
2225
01:49:50,251 --> 01:49:53,677
that it's got comes back and
just comes all into one moment
2226
01:49:53,678 --> 01:49:56,071
and that night seemed to
be just one of those moments.
2227
01:49:59,890 --> 01:50:04,450
I think winning the European Cup was
massive for anybody, but you've won it
2228
01:50:04,451 --> 01:50:09,090
with lads that you grew up with all your
life and they've got good pictures now of
2229
01:50:09,091 --> 01:50:11,493
the six of us with the effort
with the European Cup
2230
01:50:11,494 --> 01:50:13,911
and it's like some of us
near each other from 12.
2231
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:16,510
I never look back.
2232
01:50:16,730 --> 01:50:17,746
I don't like looking back.
2233
01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:18,846
I always like to look forward.
2234
01:50:18,870 --> 01:50:20,626
But if you said to me, could
you live ten days again?
2235
01:50:20,650 --> 01:50:21,730
It would be those ten days.
2236
01:50:22,090 --> 01:50:23,090
It's unbelievable.
2237
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:27,680
It's a perfect script.
2238
01:50:30,700 --> 01:50:31,700
Yeah.
2239
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:32,880
It's dramatic.
2240
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,660
Only sports can give
you this kind of emotion.
2241
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:40,880
They win the Cup in Barcelona,
simply because of their character.
2242
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:44,260
Many people say we're wacky.
2243
01:50:45,025 --> 01:50:49,140
You could say that, but I don't think
what I thought was their character won it.
2244
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,167
We had a great bunch
of boys who were getting
2245
01:50:52,168 --> 01:50:53,980
better every game
and they did it together.
2246
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,320
That was an important
thing, they did it together.
2247
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,510
The one thing when you
look back in 100 years, the
2248
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:04,020
treble of 99, there will
never be forgotten that.
2249
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:07,475
I think there are
special moments in time
2250
01:51:07,476 --> 01:51:10,240
when a whole series
of things come together.
2251
01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:16,060
When you had those young people from
very ordinary backgrounds who suddenly
2252
01:51:16,061 --> 01:51:22,220
symbolised, represented something new and
had that extraordinary ability to achieve
2253
01:51:22,221 --> 01:51:27,900
and to achieve in a way that
people hadn't done before.
2254
01:51:28,270 --> 01:51:33,580
You always hope and think that things
will happen again, but will there ever be a
2255
01:51:33,581 --> 01:51:38,062
time where six lads who
grew up from the age of 12, 13,
2256
01:51:38,063 --> 01:51:41,600
come through and win a treble,
having supported the club?
2257
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:43,440
I'm not sure.
2258
01:51:44,210 --> 01:51:45,530
I'm not sure it
can happen again.
2259
01:51:45,650 --> 01:51:47,896
I'm not sure of football, the
way in which it's going to go.
2260
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,905
I'm not sure of football and
the way in the immediacy
2261
01:51:49,906 --> 01:51:51,821
of life now where
everything's got to be instant.
2262
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,983
I don't think you'll
ever see the six, seven
2263
01:51:54,984 --> 01:51:57,660
players coming through
in British football again.
2264
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,216
Well, you probably dream about
playing for Man United, don't you?
2265
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:05,520
But the reality is, for most
people, it's not going to happen.
2266
01:52:06,150 --> 01:52:08,580
And we were just the lucky
ones that it did happen to do.
2267
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,904
We managed to all play
with each other through, right
2268
01:52:11,984 --> 01:52:14,281
through the youth team,
straight through to the first team.
2269
01:52:14,305 --> 01:52:16,520
And it doesn't really
happen at many places.
2270
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,420
And will anything like
that happen again?
2271
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:20,560
I'm not too sure.
2272
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:28,100
Until recently, where I sat back
and looked at old videos, looked at old
2273
01:52:28,101 --> 01:52:32,637
pictures and really kind
of thought about what it
2274
01:52:32,638 --> 01:52:35,840
was like with these players
that I'd grown up with.
2275
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:37,140
To win what we'd won.
2276
01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:40,560
To turn around and see,
you know, Gary behind me.
2277
01:52:40,900 --> 01:52:42,780
We'd grown up
in those positions.
2278
01:52:43,625 --> 01:52:46,660
You know, to look to the side and
see Scholesy and Buttey and Giggsie.
2279
01:52:46,965 --> 01:52:48,500
You know, to look
back, see Phil.
2280
01:52:49,235 --> 01:52:51,500
You know, this was...
2281
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,964
This was more special
than anything that I've been
2282
01:52:55,965 --> 01:52:58,880
involved in through my
whole life and my whole career.
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