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I'm the youngest
of nine in my family.
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As you can see, I'm
black, born black, and came
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from, you know, people
called it the ghetto.
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My mother didn't read,
my father didn't read,
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and so, you know,
they were a hard worker.
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And that was my beginning.
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You live in a project, people
throw their trash on the ground.
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We was a family that picked the
trash up and put it in the dumpster.
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And, you know, people
look and would laugh at us.
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My mother said, you
know, you live in this
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environment, you don't
have to be like that.
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Of course, people had money and
they used their money in the wrong way.
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My mother didn't
buy clothes or toys.
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She bought food.
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She know that this is what
we need to be able to live.
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My upbringing was four
sisters, three brothers.
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Coming out of
Philadelphia, it's a task itself,
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especially in the inner
city called North Philly.
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In the morning, we get
up, my mother saying, okay,
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get up, get up, ready
to school, this and that.
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You had to ration out two cans of pork and
beans with six kids and try to mix other
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stuff in there to call it
something different, mom.
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It's the same pork and beans.
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It just got other meats in it
to make it something else.
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My father was one of those guys that
got up every day, did what he had to do.
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I never seen him sell drugs or anything
like that, but I know that he used drugs.
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I know that he drank.
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So I had the two parents structure in the
house, but it was a family where we you
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know, we was, we tight, but it was
some things that wasn't as, as I would say,
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normal family would be.
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The worst characteristic you can think
of black life is where I stemmed from,
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lot of drugs, tons of violence.
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Mom's parents, old
women, they, they was in the
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sex industry and stuff
and that's what they did.
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We weren't safe in the house.
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We were always vulnerable.
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A lot of men.
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Sleep with my sister, beat me.
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There was a pattern of
abuse that Mike experienced.
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Bullies in the neighborhood,
which routinely would pick on him.
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But also, Mike was
beaten by his mother.
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His father was
pretty much absent.
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My mother was very promiscuous.
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It was just the way life was.
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Everybody I knew had just their mother
at home or their mother's boyfriend.
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Nobody was ever his father.
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I don't know that well.
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My whole world is just
lost kids with broken homes.
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You know, forget poverty.
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I don't care how much
money you get or fame.
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Forget that.
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Poverty hurts and leaves an
everlasting impression on you.
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Poverty has its own
self-perpetuating logic.
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When you are strapped for cash, and
you need to survive in the short term,
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you start to adopt certain practices that
in the long term end up preventing you
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from taking advantage of all the
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opportunities that may
be out there for you.
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We came to an era where
it really got a little worse.
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Where nobody had anything.
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You couldn't tease me
about my mother being
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on welfare because your
mother was on welfare.
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Childhood poverty often leads to adult
poverty and you get locked in these ruts.
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So not only are there
these worse environments,
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but they find it much
harder to escape.
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All these ills work together to create
very strong barriers to upward mobility.
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And very hard to still believe
the American Dream is out there.
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The American Dream is
something that we're all proud
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of, we all embrace, yet
it's a little bit dangerous.
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America may be one of the richest
countries in the world, but we also have
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the largest pockets of poverty
in the developed countries.
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One in five children in the
United States grows up in poverty.
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America has, by far, the
most unequal distribution
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of income and wealth
in the developed world.
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Yet, the idea of the
American Dream is, in a
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sense, what keeps the
whole system running.
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I know what it is when people
move away from you because
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they think that they're
going to catch what you got.
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They think they're going to
get poor if they get to know you.
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I was just always
searching for something.
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I didn't like my life at home, so I
wanted to have a family somewhere else.
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I tried to find a new family.
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People that I hung around was
in the same situation that I was in.
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You went on like you
was going to school, but in
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reality, we was in the area,
but not in the classroom.
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We stayed around the school,
but not actually in the school.
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And eventually, people do find out, but
after a while, you get lost in the system.
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When I went to school, they said
we wasn't going to be anything.
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They said we were
going to be statistics.
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You're not articulate.
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You don't know your
ABCs, your little simple stuff.
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My momma always say,
so they read better than you.
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Who the fastest in your school?
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I said, fastest in what?
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She said running.
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Who run the fastest?
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I ran to everybody.
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My momma, there's things that
you do better than that person.
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I said, but momma,
they don't talk about that.
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Your day will come.
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My goal wasn't to be the
President of the United States.
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My goal was to be the
baddest guy that I can be.
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We just basically looked at
school as being no fun, no action.
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And if you do catch us there, this
gym where we get to play basketball,
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we get to do things that we
thought that was more important
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than reading and writing,
and science and history.
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I stopped going to school
because people were kicking my ass.
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And I just walked around
the school until school
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was over because I didn't
want to get my ass kicked.
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One day these guys came
around, three or four guys.
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They pinned me up against the wall
and they said, hey, yo, got any money?
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I said, no.
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So the guy says this, he
says, do you want to fly with us?
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And I didn't know him.
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He's a kid, 10 or 9.
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I said, okay.
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So I'm helping these
guys to this building.
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This is like an
abandoned building.
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And I see a box and it's
pigeons and pigeons are flying.
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I said, what the hell?
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Now I know it's a place to hang
out with birds and these guys.
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So I said, okay, I'd rather be there
than be in school and get bullied.
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So I went back to the coop.
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I said, didn't need me
to do anything for you.
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I said, yeah.
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And he took me robbing houses.
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And, um, whoa.
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And, um, he didn't
give me much money.
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But he bought me clothes.
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Yeah.
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He bought me clothes.
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There are a number of reasons, I think,
why he kind of embraced the thug life.
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One of which is if you have a community
of people who are watching your back,
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then you're going
to be protected.
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And now he's buying the
coolest velour sweatsuits.
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And he's buying ski goggles, even though
he's never been anywhere near a ski slope.
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And he's buying
the greatest kicks.
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So now, you know, status in that
environment is who looks the coolest.
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The role models that I seen
was the people in the street.
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The pimps, the number
riders, the hustlers.
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They had the cars,
they had the jewelry, they
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had all the things that
shines in your face.
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As you grow up and
you grow up fast, you
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get to know what
they're doing is not right.
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But got them a lot of things
and made them live different
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or better than every working
class person in the streets.
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That's the situation for a
lot of young people out there.
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You know, they can step off
the porch with all the values
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in the world that mom gave
them and dad can give them.
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When they step off that porch into that
den, they got to deal with it accordingly.
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You can go out there and turn
the other cheek if you want to.
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All they're going to do is hit you in
the head and take that earring too.
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So you had to adapt.
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Those that adapt well become
predators out there themselves.
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To me, it wasn't a hard choice.
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I was the type of guy that had
no conscience of value of my life.
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And repercussions of what I do.
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When you think that the value of your life
is not that much concern on your actions,
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then that is a time
bomb waiting to blow.
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Ain't no rules.
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You don't get disqualified for busting
a nigga over the head with something.
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When you get hurt
badly, either your fear
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consumes you or you
become a bit insensitive.
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Either you're going to
be a punk or you're going
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to start to harden up
a little bit following that.
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When you find yourself,
you make it clear to
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people that you don't
have a problem with it.
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As a matter of fact, make
them feel like you want this shit.
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In an environment that I grew up in,
which was animal, which was survival of
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the fittest, which was do or
die, you have to be strategic.
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Very few of us grow up in
fear because we live in this.
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And we're told early
we can't be afraid of it.
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Whenever we're confronted with an obstacle
in the streets of a physical nature,
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the first thing we think of is
how to dissect the obstacle.
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My dream started off
when a coach told me I
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could be the heavyweight
champion of the world.
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And I asked him, what was it?
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And he said, Muhammad Ali.
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He said, do you
know Muhammad Ali?
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I said, yeah.
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And he said, you
can be just like that.
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My first goal was to
be the boys club champ.
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I wanted to be great
because I already know how
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it feels not to be great
because I grew up at it.
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In one fight, I became
the boys club champ.
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Every year, I would
win a tournament.
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Boxing is interesting.
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In that it's an escape
from the violence and
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the poverty of many
American neighborhoods.
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But you're escaping
through violence itself.
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People who fight, fight
their way out of something.
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Whether it's poverty,
whether it's jail.
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Rich kids don't fight.
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Why the fuck would
a rich kid fight?
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You know, poor kids fight.
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You want to fight your
way to a different place.
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Boxing gives you a chance to
literally fight your way through it.
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Boxers succeed based
on their own work.
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If you keep winning and you
keep succeeding, chances
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are eventually you're
going to get an opportunity.
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Boxing is the ultimate
representation of the American dream.
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It allows someone who came
from nothing to achieve greatness.
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It's about his talent, his own
skill, and his own determination.
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Boxing is such a special sport.
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I think most people
don't choose boxing.
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I think boxing chooses them.
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You know, disadvantaged childhood,
less fortunate kids in tough communities.
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And, you know, we grew
up boxing at the boys club.
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We were able to go there and, you know,
we had somebody who cared about us,
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wanted to take us off the streets
and give us something to do.
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If you look at the history of boxing over
time, you will see some of the cultures
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and ethnicities that
have suffered the most
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have always produced
the greatest champions.
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Boxing both attracts and preys upon
talent from disadvantaged communities.
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And it's almost like you can read a chart
of history of disadvantage, in the United
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States at least, of which groups are
struggling to make it and then which
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groups have made it, when they
disappear really from the boxing scene.
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Especially in America where you had
the immigrants, you had the Jewish boxers,
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the Irish boxers, the Italian American
boxers, African American boxers.
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Now it's, I would say,
predominately Hispanic boxers now.
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There's a certain generation with
Mike and Evander and Bernard,
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black kids who were disadvantaged
and saw boxing as a way out.
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I lived in an all black neighborhood and
everybody said white boys couldn't fight.
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And that's my first time
experiencing that people tell
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you lies because that kid was
white and he beat me twice.
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I told the coach that I quit.
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I told him I didn't want
to fight no more because I
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didn't think you could actually
be a champion if you lost.
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So I went home and told my
mom I lost and I told her I quit.
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And she told me something that
just had to impact my life even now.
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She's a son.
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Everything is not going
to always go your way.
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If you quit, you'll never
reach your destination.
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She said, what is
your destination?
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I said, be the heavyweight
champion of the world.
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Of course, I went back
and I finally beat him.
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And that fight kind of changed
my whole aspect about winning.
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I kept getting in
trouble with the law.
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One particular time I got in
trouble and I went upstate New York.
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I had a reputation as
a troublemaker there.
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I had to be locked
down most of the time.
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You couldn't go outside
with the rest of the kids.
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Weekends, I would see
guys going the other side.
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And I would say,
what's going on?
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Because I would see guys coming back,
swollen eyes, busted nose, busted lips.
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The most interesting thing
about it is that they were happy.
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When they would come back,
they're all beat up, but they're happy.
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And I would say, what's
going on over there?
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And they said, Mr. Stewart
is boxing with the inmate.
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Mr. Stewart is probably
160 pounds, white, Irish guy.
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I never fought before
with gloves on in my life.
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I didn't know I could beat
Mr. Stewart, this white ass.
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I didn't know I could beat him.
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I'm just flaring away.
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And he hit me in my
stomach and I went down.
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And I started throwing up
everything I ate for two days.
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I was just, wah.
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So I actually
started teaching me.
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He wouldn't teach me unless I
started behaving around the facilities.
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And once I made my honor roll, I
started doing one of those schoolies.
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And he started
teaching me how to box.
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Bobby Stewart immediately
saw the potential in Mike.
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And Bobby said, if
you're serious about this,
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I'll take you to see
this old guy in Catskill.
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As soon as Cus DeMata saw me
spar, he was planning my life out for me.
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First day he met me.
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Cus was the kind of gruff guy.
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Didn't display any emotion.
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At the end of that session, Cus
turned to Bobby and said, this
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guy's going to be the future
heavyweight champ of the world.
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At that time, I didn't know.
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I was about to be
paroled back to New York.
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And he didn't want me
to go back because he
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believed I would get
in trouble, like get killed.
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He asked me would I be
interested in staying with him.
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And I said, why?
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Sure.
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I didn't want to go
back to that disgusting,
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wretched tenement
that we lived in.
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This guy had wonderful,
like, 14-room mansions.
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Roads and that stuff.
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I never saw that stuff.
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For the beginning of that period,
Mike was still living in two worlds.
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While he was in Brownsville,
he'd fall in with his
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old friends and they'd
go out and start jostling.
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Mike's first street
mentor, this guy, Barkeem.
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I think they saw some pictures of Mike,
you know, with Cus and with Camille.
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And they looked and
they said, man, Mike, these
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white people, it looks
like they love you.
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And Mike said, yeah,
yeah, they love me.
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And he goes, Barkeem says,
what are you doing here, man?
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If I had white people that love
me, I wouldn't stick around here.
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And everybody in the neighborhood
is telling Mike, go, get out of here.
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At least 30% of
all the families in
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Brownsville at that time
had no father figures.
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I think when we look at
boxing, we see a number
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of men who grew up
without a father in the home.
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But what's key
is they grew up in
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circumstances where
the family was redefined.
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The trainers became part
of this larger extended family.
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Cus would tell Mike
that he was a colossus.
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He was a titan.
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And he's telling him this
and building up his ego
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to a person who has
absolutely no self-esteem.
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So it's a very tricky situation.
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I heard about this heavyweight that
they were saying this guy is dangerous.
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He's from Customato's camp.
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And he was trained
by Kevin Rooney.
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When I finally seen him, I was like,
man, you know, he was like, he was going
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through fighters like
a hot knife on butter.
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No!
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When I saw him, I
knew he was special.
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North Philly was
known for a lot of fighters
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back in the 60s,
70s, and in the 80s.
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I got introduced
to the amateurs.
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And I had the talent.
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I had the skills.
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But then as time
went on, eventually I
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started getting respect
as a street fighter.
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And I shot away from boxing.
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Every time I got stabbed, which was
more than once, crazy as it might seem,
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it gave more stock
to who you are.
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In 1984, I was put in
jail for taking money.
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At that time, I blamed the system
for everything, even for my ignorance.
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That same year, my
brother got in a fight.
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And a guy pulled a gun out.
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He tried to run.
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He got shot.
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They couldn't find him
because he ran down the street.
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And when they found him,
he was laying across the street.
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Across the grass.
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So can you imagine my mom?
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It had to be hard on
her to bury one son.
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And then get to see me being
escorted by the sheriff's department
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from prison to view the body
and then go back to prison.
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So basically, she lost two sons.
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So 1984 was a really
challenging year.
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In 1984, Mike and myself, we were
both trying to make the Olympic team.
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There was a big emphasis
placed back then, especially on the
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idea of your amateur experience
and this Olympic experience.
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It was very much a place where
your worth was going to be determined.
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Holyfield and Tyson got an early taste of
what the other was about at the Olympics.
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That's when I got a
chance to see him train.
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I'm one of the guys who kind
of pride myself in working hard.
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And when I work in the
gym, I'm with him and
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I'd seen all the things
that he would do.
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I was just amazed.
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I was like, God,
you know, shoot.
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17 years old, he's
just a kid, man.
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He's the only person in the gym
that I could admit that I worked with.
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I didn't think nobody
was going to beat him.
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Mike unfortunately lost to
a guy named Henry Tillman.
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Didn't make the Olympic team.
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He was voted as an alternate.
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You know, I went
to Olympic trials.
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I didn't make the Olympics.
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But the experience of going to
the Olympics was just incredible.
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Evander Holyfield, he was just
very competitive in the Olympics.
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He was just very hungry.
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Very hungry fighter.
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And he fought just my man, me.
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He was going to win the most
outstanding fight, I thought.
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Because he was
knocking out everybody.
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He was beating everybody easily.
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Evander Holyfield,
United States of America.
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Kevin Barry, New Zealand.
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Holyfield came
into the competition.
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The unknown American.
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But he's known now.
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And he's only 21 years old.
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Look at Holyfield.
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He's ready.
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He's got the
opponent hurt again.
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He's ready to put him away.
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Even though there's no blood.
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Oh, there it goes.
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You saw that.
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It was in.
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Evander launches a
lethal hook that drops Barry.
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And everybody thinks,
okay, fight's over.
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Move on.
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All of a sudden, the referee
starts motioning to the judge.
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He starts motioning to Evander.
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And nobody knows
exactly what's going on.
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He is going to disqualify
Evander Holyfield.
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He makes the
announcement that Evander is
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disqualified for hitting
after he calls stop.
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00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,500
Nobody really heard
the referee say stop.
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All they saw was
Evander drop the guy.
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00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,080
Holyfield got screwed royally.
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00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:22,520
He shouldn't have been
disqualified against Barry.
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That was a joke.
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Holyfield in total
command of the fight.
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And I just don't
understand this rule.
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Look at Holyfield's face.
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What an untoward development.
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Very conscious.
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Controlling.
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Controlling the anger.
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Controlling the tongue.
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I sit there and tuck it.
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00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,760
Howard Cosell made
me bigger than life.
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00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:51,080
This is unbelievable.
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00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:53,900
Holyfield holding
himself together.
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A raging controversy
had reared its ugly head.
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00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,006
Bill Simon, the president
of the Los Angeles
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Olympic Committee,
has gotten involved.
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00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,760
It really is a
full-blown controversy.
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He wanted that gold medal.
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But by responding to it the way he did,
not complaining, showing a lot of grace,
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he probably emerged from that
Olympics as the most well-known
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of all those boxers, even the
ones that had won the gold medal.
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That became his launching
pad, was the Olympics,
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while Mike had to begin
his pro career in obscurity.
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Cuss got me into thinking about the
great fighters, and every time I failed,
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I'd go read about their failures
and how they overcame their failures.
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00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:40,788
Mike had a very high
skill set, and he had a
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profound understanding of
boxing and boxing history.
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And that's what
made him special.
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When he wanted to know
something, he'd sit there and watch.
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Numerous fights of
guys from the 50s and 40s
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and 30s, he's like a
boxing encyclopedia.
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What's the difference between a
good fighter and a great fighter?
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It's how far they're willing to go and
how much they're willing to endure.
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It's the hunger for the world.
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You want to be their champion.
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00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:07,388
Once you get to know
Mike, you know he was a very
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insecure human being,
a very insecure fighter.
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00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,889
So a lot of that tough guy
image and a lot of the talk and
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the brashness was basically
to hide his own insecurities.
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Every time he went in
the ring, he was scared.
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00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:23,090
It wasn't like he just
knew he was going to win.
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But Mike also knew when he looked
in that opponent's eye, he'd seen fear.
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As I was fighting, I realized these guys
were more afraid of me than I was of them.
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And that's when my whole game started
changing as far as my approach to fighting.
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00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:40,200
Left hand almost drove
Richardson right through the canvas.
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00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,920
I did all those early
fights on ESPN and he
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knocked everybody out
in the first or second round.
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So you looked at
it and said, wow.
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Anybody that wants to stay in the business
for a long period of time like myself,
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I plan on staying in the
box and I would like to box
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for at least a good 20 years
because I love the game.
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00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,740
You took care of
business tonight.
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Congratulations, Mike.
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00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,020
Thank you very much.
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00:23:56,340 --> 00:24:00,560
I study every fight that might
unfold and tell everybody, be quiet.
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I'm watching.
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00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:04,627
You know, my whole thing,
I realized that was going
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to be the toughest fight
in my life if it happened.
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This is the guy that I
got to face one day.
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00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,420
In prison, you have a lot
of energy that's bottled up.
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00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,140
From one way or the other, love it
or don't love it, agree to disagree,
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00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:35,280
it has to be released.
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00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,558
After getting a few
fights, I built a reputation
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on the block like I was
building on the streets.
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00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:45,800
I was known, don't fight
me, you got to stab me.
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At home, you can hide.
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00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:55,740
But in those institutions,
you have to see these people.
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Every day you wake up.
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00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:04,140
Someone is plotting
for that vulnerability.
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00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,840
You got to meet
your fears every day.
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Things going through my head
was that I'll be dead before I'm
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18 or I'll be in prison all
my life or that I'll be nothing.
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00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:20,497
As I got more mature in jail and
I started watching other people,
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00:25:20,498 --> 00:25:23,241
I started saying to myself,
what's wrong with this situation?
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I had to stop being a nigger.
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00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,240
I started doing research.
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00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000
I've seen something to
me that really woke me up.
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00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,420
Prison is a business.
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00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:46,430
It's $50,000, it's $60,000
a year for one inmate.
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How can I keep myself from
being an employee of this business?
471
00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,650
Oftentimes, the real problem with
prison is the stultifying boredom.
472
00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:06,150
There's mountains of evidence that,
you know, the supermax prisons where
473
00:26:06,151 --> 00:26:08,210
you're in a cell by
yourself 23 hours a day.
474
00:26:08,211 --> 00:26:09,611
They literally drive
people insane.
475
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:13,170
The people who leave are substantially
mentally harmed by the experience.
476
00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:15,910
It's just not what we as
humans are designed to handle.
477
00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:19,950
Having that thing that gives you something
to do, to hold on to, can be a very
478
00:26:19,951 --> 00:26:24,170
powerful means of sort of getting
yourself through the mind-numbing tedium.
479
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,870
They had a little gym with a
ring, with gloves, with sparring.
480
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:38,620
And Smokey Wilson, aka Michael Wilson,
continued to say, Come on to the gym, man.
481
00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:41,266
Come on to the gym, it's
tough fighting the block.
482
00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:42,627
You're either going
to go on a hold or
483
00:26:42,639 --> 00:26:44,230
you're going to get
stabbed or this and that.
484
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,270
So, hey, man, all right,
yeah, I'll go to the gym.
485
00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:50,330
And I sparred with one of
the known, respected guys.
486
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:58,790
I didn't knock him out, but
I gave him a boxing lesson.
487
00:26:59,710 --> 00:27:01,650
And Smokey Wilson
became my trainer.
488
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:06,444
I got a chance to get
back into what I've deviated
489
00:27:06,445 --> 00:27:09,950
from and used it to my
advantage in the penitentiary.
490
00:27:10,110 --> 00:27:14,630
It came to a thing where now,
in prison, you bet on each other.
491
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:19,290
And I'm getting this reputation
because now the block, the jail is buzzing.
492
00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:25,470
I became the celebrity
boxer in a penitentiary.
493
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:28,808
The boxing program
was established in 38
494
00:27:28,809 --> 00:27:32,511
penitentiaries from
Philadelphia to Pittsburgh.
495
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:38,570
And so we had boxing
tournaments in jail.
496
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:47,750
And Hill, Rockford, Dallas, Grated
Ford, Smithville, Frackville, we on buses.
497
00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:52,470
Escorted by guards with
shotguns from one prison to another.
498
00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:56,970
I'm beating everybody
in every penitentiary.
499
00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:01,630
And I become the middleweight
state penitentiary champion.
500
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,810
I fell back in love
with boxing again.
501
00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:15,770
Boxing is the sport in
which all others aspire to be.
502
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:18,912
It's you and another guy
and who wants it more
503
00:28:18,913 --> 00:28:20,930
and who's got the heart
and the will and desire.
504
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:23,070
But it comes down
to a lot more than that.
505
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:26,630
Best combat is man against man.
506
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,210
I mean, since Roman
times, the gladiators.
507
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:32,250
It's human nature for people
to compete against each other.
508
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,790
Sometimes I feel so
guilty I'm a boxing fan.
509
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:40,450
I know on one level I'm not supposed
to really be enjoying what I'm watching.
510
00:28:40,451 --> 00:28:43,510
And yet on another,
I can't control myself.
511
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:45,650
We're violent.
512
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:46,090
We're animals.
513
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:47,710
Like any other animal.
514
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:50,470
There's a release of aggression
that comes with fighting.
515
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:52,070
There's a drama to it.
516
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:53,030
Boxing is theater.
517
00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:55,470
If it's not theater, you're
fucking up and presenting it.
518
00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:58,670
To be ringside, you're
like, wow, this is amazing.
519
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:03,350
The part for me that stuck was people
are literally fighting for their lives.
520
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:04,930
They're fighting
for their families.
521
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:06,570
That's the thing
that attracted me.
522
00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:10,430
It's an ancient, brutal, some
would say barbaric spirit.
523
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:17,090
But there's something very interesting
about the individuals who choose to try to
524
00:29:17,091 --> 00:29:20,330
perform at that level and
risk what they risk in the ring.
525
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:21,730
It's raw.
526
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:27,090
It's something that appeals to our
basic instincts of survival or battle.
527
00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:29,350
Nobody else is going
in there with you.
528
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:30,610
You can't call time out.
529
00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:32,170
It's like having
a fight of blood.
530
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:34,010
A fighter don't care
who his opponent is.
531
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:35,850
He might wait, bring him.
532
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:37,930
It's a different mentality.
533
00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:39,710
They're a different breed.
534
00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:43,354
The fighters know what
they have to sacrifice
535
00:29:43,355 --> 00:29:46,271
and give up to try
to perfect their game.
536
00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:49,390
A fighter learns from
walking through the fire.
537
00:29:51,130 --> 00:29:53,645
Dwight Muhammad Kawe
and Evander Holyfield
538
00:29:53,646 --> 00:29:56,190
in their WBA Junior
Heavyweight title fight.
539
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,165
Of course, you remember
Holyfield with the controversial
540
00:29:59,166 --> 00:30:01,590
bronze medal at the Olympic
Games in Los Angeles.
541
00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:03,970
Since then, 11
successful pro bouts.
542
00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:07,430
Is 11 enough going up against
someone of the experience of Kawe?
543
00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:10,210
The bell rings and
this is round one.
544
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:13,630
And one of Evander's biggest challenges
here is going to be overcoming the
545
00:30:13,631 --> 00:30:16,130
psychological barrier of going
15 rounds for the first time.
546
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,466
Just keeping your hands up
for three minutes and moving
547
00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:28,540
around the ring is
tremendous exertion physically.
548
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:34,440
But running around for 15 rounds, three
minutes a round, throwing punches at
549
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:37,700
a guy who's trying to hurt you
and getting hit while it's all going on.
550
00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:39,510
There's just nothing like it.
551
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,020
Kawe was going for it.
552
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,940
He doesn't want to go 15 rounds.
553
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,940
He's only in round three and
he's using so much energy.
554
00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:51,860
Kawe breathing very
heavily but he is relying
555
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,540
against the ropes
and sliding away.
556
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Kawe's slipping an awful
lot of those punches out.
557
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:07,780
He missed a bunch
558
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,880
of landed punches of his own.
559
00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:16,300
Saw the smiling shrug.
560
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:18,460
And that is
demoralizing to Evander.
561
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800
He built up some energy for a
flurry and he got nothing out of it.
562
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:24,680
Just watching
these two go at it.
563
00:31:24,681 --> 00:31:26,900
But there's no way that I
can imagine this one going.
564
00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:35,250
Whatever I hit him with, that
guy never stopped coming.
565
00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:40,250
Now we're really going to get to see
what kind of shape Evander Holyfield is in.
566
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:42,630
He's only been to eight
rounds once in his career.
567
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,270
Evander Holyfield
started this fight very fast.
568
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:47,650
Won the first round in
convincing and oppressive fashion.
569
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,930
But the rounds have gotten
closer and closer since then.
570
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:55,070
Perspiration flying off the face
of Holyfield as Kawe gets in.
571
00:31:55,071 --> 00:31:58,690
And he looks a little slower and
slower as this fight moves along.
572
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:03,976
When somebody's breathing
on you and they have the
573
00:32:03,977 --> 00:32:06,950
right to hit you just as the
right you have to hit them.
574
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:08,610
It becomes a tougher thing.
575
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:12,490
A right-left combo to Holyfield.
576
00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:13,730
Holyfield is staggering.
577
00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:18,090
This is just trench warfare and
right now Dwight Kawe is winning it.
578
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:20,510
The question is who's going
to get their second win first.
579
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:28,370
It's just like somebody putting a mask
over your head and put your hand behind
580
00:32:28,371 --> 00:32:30,531
your back and throw you
out in the middle of the ocean.
581
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:33,230
That's how tough this fight was.
582
00:32:35,890 --> 00:32:38,270
Round 11 for Evander Holyfield.
583
00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:40,113
He's never gone this far in his
584
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,671
professional career
or in his career period.
585
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:46,870
And a big powerful right.
586
00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:50,150
The likes of which we haven't
seen from Holyfield in a few rounds.
587
00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:52,931
I'm a little bit surprised
that Evander has
588
00:32:52,932 --> 00:32:54,830
been able to hang in
there as well as he did.
589
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:57,970
He tired a little bit but he's come
back and he's very much in the fight.
590
00:32:58,630 --> 00:33:00,650
Kawe's eyes are blood red.
591
00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:01,990
He has taken numerous shots.
592
00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:03,670
Breathing very very heavily.
593
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:05,690
Bloody in the mouth.
594
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:07,830
Evander has a tremendous heart.
595
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:10,190
Al he's got just a
burning intensity.
596
00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:14,290
As these two try to chip away and
chip away at the stamina of each other.
597
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:17,370
Both men showing unbelievable
courage and determination.
598
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:22,550
I lost 15 pounds in that fight.
599
00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:25,550
They were talking about
my kidneys were messed up.
600
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:27,590
All I wanted to do is not die.
601
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:30,050
Holyfield's eyes have that fire.
602
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:32,330
He is officially a
professional fighter.
603
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:33,090
He can go.
604
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:35,390
He's 14 and he will be
able to go the 15 rounds.
605
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:39,430
Like Muhammad Kawe who yesterday
called Evander Holyfield mediocre.
606
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:41,930
Would not be saying
that to us right now.
607
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,210
And there's the final pose.
608
00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:48,990
I didn't die.
609
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:51,410
I made it to the land.
610
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:54,730
And then they gave me a
bonus by giving me the belt.
611
00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:58,750
For the winner and new junior
heavyweight champion of the world.
612
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:07,540
After that I was a light
heavyweight champion.
613
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,800
But my goal, I never forgot my goal was to
be the heavyweight champion of the world.
614
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,800
Evander Holyfield started
as light heavyweight.
615
00:34:15,925 --> 00:34:20,360
Which is you know kind of like being
the vice president of the United States.
616
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,220
It's not, you don't
get a lot of attention.
617
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,072
When you talk about
boxing for most people
618
00:34:29,073 --> 00:34:31,380
you're talking about
the heavyweight division.
619
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,280
The heavyweight champ
of the world is an icon.
620
00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,880
This is the main
event of the night.
621
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:40,260
The WBC championship
of the world.
622
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,500
In the blue corner with 27
wins, no defeats, 25 KOs.
623
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,760
He is the challenger Mike Tyson.
624
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,200
And in the red corner.
625
00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:57,800
He is the WBC heavyweight
champion of the world.
626
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Trevor Burbick.
627
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,680
Any questions from the
challenger or chief second?
628
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,200
Any questions from the
champion or chief second?
629
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:09,100
Alright, let's get it on.
630
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:09,420
Come on.
631
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:11,376
Alright, and with the words
of Mills Lane, we're ready.
632
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,721
I don't know about you
folks, but here at the
633
00:35:13,722 --> 00:35:15,920
Hilton Hotel there is
electricity in the crowd.
634
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,280
Mike Tyson has trained
his whole life for this.
635
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,720
And let's watch how quick
Tyson will jump on Trevor Burbick.
636
00:35:21,721 --> 00:35:26,040
You get the idea now that Burbick
is showing a little false bravado here.
637
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,020
And Tyson clips
him with the left hand.
638
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:28,660
Look at that.
639
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:29,340
Combination.
640
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,900
And Burbick ready to go.
641
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,280
But he stays on his feet.
642
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,520
Another right hand.
643
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,780
Five and six and
seven and eight.
644
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,080
And he says he's okay.
645
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:46,740
Mills Lane lets him continue.
646
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,220
Here comes Tyson again.
647
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:49,700
He knows he can
hurt him any time.
648
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,800
That was
649
00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:18,680
the most exciting
moment of my life.
650
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520
People pat me on the back
and say, wow, you're great.
651
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200
I've never seen
anybody like you before.
652
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Incredible.
653
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:27,000
How am I going
to articulate this?
654
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,560
It's all I dreamed about.
655
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,160
Being a champion and stuff.
656
00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:33,160
This is very serious
since I was 13.
657
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:36,176
This isn't being like, hey, we're going
to box and get some trophies, guys.
658
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,400
No.
659
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,020
Our purpose is to win and
win in spectacular fashion.
660
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,280
I got so much
trouble on my mind.
661
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,760
Refuse to lose.
662
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,360
Here's your ticket.
663
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,560
Cause the drama get wicked.
664
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,100
Mike did something special.
665
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,820
He convinced me that no man
on the planet could beat me.
666
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,020
You get up, go to the bathroom,
come back to fight over me.
667
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,840
Mike got a bad rap in the sense that
people concentrated on intimidation.
668
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,540
The only way you're intimidated is
because you've seen him do something.
669
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,823
When you see somebody
knock out 22 other people,
670
00:37:07,824 --> 00:37:10,020
yeah, the 23rd guy may
be a little intimidating.
671
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,680
He was an unstoppable
force of nature.
672
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:17,460
I mean, I still in my head have visions of
Welcome to the Terror Dome being played
673
00:37:17,461 --> 00:37:20,280
where Tyson was walking into
the ring twitching with no socks on.
674
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,820
And the guy standing in the ring
looked like he was shitting his pants.
675
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,400
Well, welcome to
the Terror Dome.
676
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,323
Don King told him every
time that you knock somebody
677
00:37:28,423 --> 00:37:31,060
out in the first round, I
give you $100,000 in cash.
678
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,100
And he's down again.
679
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,660
He's not going to make it.
680
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,800
It's all over.
681
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,420
First big fight I went
to was the Tyson fight.
682
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,820
And there was nothing
more exciting than that.
683
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:43,030
He put on a show.
684
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,760
When the lights came on, Mike
just knew this is my moment.
685
00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:48,460
Everybody's
watching me right now.
686
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,860
It was crazy in there.
687
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Just great energy,
unbelievable energy.
688
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,296
Every time we get home,
Mike said, well, who came?
689
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,820
How did they lose?
690
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,700
He looked like he just wanted to
know, like, what was the crowd like?
691
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,880
And it's hard to
explain it to him.
692
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,010
You see Eddie Murphy.
693
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,120
You see Donald Trump.
694
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,800
You see so many big
people in the audience.
695
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Like, if you was in that front three
or four rows, you was somebody.
696
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,620
Tyson was superhuman.
697
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,480
He represented our culture.
698
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,680
He represented who we were.
699
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,920
Mike Tyson was a phenom.
700
00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:16,060
Everybody heard about him.
701
00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:19,380
Mike Tyson represents in the
community the American dream.
702
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:21,640
Anybody can make it if
they have the determination.
703
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:25,360
Cuts put me in a mindset that
there's no room for everybody.
704
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,960
I need to suck all the air.
705
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,100
I need to reign with God.
706
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,540
Do you ever stop to
think about money?
707
00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:32,900
The stage of thinking
about money is far gone.
708
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,576
I don't have to worry
about that no more.
709
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,600
I'm just having fun.
710
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,560
They were able to sell
Mike Tyson very effectively.
711
00:38:39,995 --> 00:38:42,600
He delivered, of course, because
he scored all these knockouts.
712
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:44,860
And you got this
feeling of caged fury.
713
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440
In our era, what would box
have been without Mike Tyson?
714
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Could you say it would
have been the next society?
715
00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:56,180
After Ali, people
stopped liking boxing.
716
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
It don't bother me to say
that I was in the right time.
717
00:39:01,455 --> 00:39:06,160
With Tyson, that's when the fire
came back in the game of boxing.
718
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:14,620
When Tyson came in the game, boxing became
one of the most popular, if not the most
719
00:39:14,621 --> 00:39:17,020
popular sport outside
the walls of Greater Ford.
720
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,300
We used to watch fights on ABC.
721
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,620
We used to watch fights on ESPN.
722
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Alexis Ogueiro and
the fighters, it was hot.
723
00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:29,060
And I'm like, yo, I
can beat these guys.
724
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:45,050
For myself to come out and be paroled
to a halfway house, I said to myself,
725
00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,230
I gotta make boxing work.
726
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:53,070
I knew that this is the only
thing that I had to gamble on.
727
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:59,830
Most guys go back when
you're in that situation.
728
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:03,450
When they lock you up when you're like
17, and you get out when you're like 23,
729
00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:05,450
24, now you're thrown
into the adult world.
730
00:40:06,490 --> 00:40:09,450
With no job skills, nothing
but a record on your back.
731
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:14,110
Plus, the little guy you seen on your
block, he comes past you in a brand new
732
00:40:14,111 --> 00:40:17,310
car, with a gold chain big enough
for you to see your reflection in.
733
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:18,830
That's hard to deal with.
734
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:22,650
When you go away, if you come back
into the same environment, around the same
735
00:40:22,651 --> 00:40:25,570
circumstances, around the same people
that you're comfortable making new friends
736
00:40:25,571 --> 00:40:28,086
with, and these decisions
around, you have influences
737
00:40:28,087 --> 00:40:30,990
that make things easy for
you to be in a bad situation.
738
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:33,050
Temptation is great.
739
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:36,610
It's the same if you try not
to be involved with drugs.
740
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:41,650
Because of its low price, crack permeates
the country, especially the inner cities.
741
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:47,650
When the crack era came into and flooded
the streets, it was just hard to say no.
742
00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:51,090
The crack era
affected everybody.
743
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:55,350
If you lived in an area where they
sold it, you were going to be involved.
744
00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,990
You're looking at your environment
and no one's helping you.
745
00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:59,050
No one's doing anything.
746
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:02,566
Just feeding you to drugs, feeding you to
alcohol, feeding you to negative comments.
747
00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:04,910
They're doing exactly what
was done to you as a child.
748
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:07,370
So you have to shift and
change your environment.
749
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,210
Do something.
750
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:09,330
Change something.
751
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:12,303
For Bernard, not violate
parole during that era,
752
00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:15,050
during that time, it was
the most impressive to me.
753
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,510
He dealt with it.
754
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:17,570
He came home.
755
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:18,990
He was able to move forward.
756
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:21,410
He realized it
wasn't the life for him.
757
00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:22,750
He was going to make sure
it wouldn't happen to him.
758
00:41:22,751 --> 00:41:25,330
How can I beat the system?
759
00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:27,970
I fought.
760
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:28,670
I worked.
761
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:29,790
I worked in the kitchen.
762
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:31,550
I worked on landscaping.
763
00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:33,310
I did roofing.
764
00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:35,370
I found some new people.
765
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:39,150
Those new people got me into
boxing as far as the business side.
766
00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:46,910
I was the only fighter to my knowledge
to take a team of trainers and go to
767
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:55,210
Graterford and train and use that
environment to remind me where I came from.
768
00:41:56,870 --> 00:42:01,010
I think it speaks volumes about
Bernard and how he looks at life.
769
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:06,121
That he went back to prison
with his team to look at the
770
00:42:06,122 --> 00:42:10,770
situation and know this is what
I do not want to fall back into.
771
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:13,910
There were athletes who came along
who had better talent than Bernard.
772
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:17,490
There were athletes who came along who
had better positions, better situations.
773
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:20,050
His discipline
has set him apart.
774
00:42:20,051 --> 00:42:26,950
And the new IBF Middleweight
Champion of the World Bernard Hopkins.
775
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:33,830
I won my first title in 1994.
776
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:39,470
From there I went on to defend the
Middleweight Championship for 11 years.
777
00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:48,150
Oscar De La Hoya is knocked out by a
left foot to the liver by Bernard Hopkins.
778
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:52,490
Bernard Hopkins is
already Robertson in this era.
779
00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:55,130
Those guys were cut
from a different cloth.
780
00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:56,370
The ones who could sustain.
781
00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:59,530
Tonight, you have
witnessed history.
782
00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:02,090
Boxing's ageless warrior.
783
00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:04,150
Bernard Hopkins!
784
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:10,910
He became the oldest
fighter to win a world title.
785
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:15,530
At an age 48 when it's almost
impossible to imagine a fighter doing this.
786
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:20,050
Bernard walked and kept that
middleweight weight for 20 title defenses.
787
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:22,330
20 title defenses.
788
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:24,510
That's going to be a
hard record to break.
789
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:27,170
He's just always
representing the hungry fighter
790
00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:29,891
that's dedicated and put
in a lot of work, you know.
791
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:32,830
You can just tell he didn't
get anything handed to him.
792
00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:39,110
Bernard Hopkins to me is a testament
to the fact that anyone can reshape their
793
00:43:39,111 --> 00:43:44,810
thinking, can reshape their life,
and continue to live that reshaped life.
794
00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:49,790
The Bernard Hopkins that I have known all
these years, and the man who resurrected
795
00:43:49,791 --> 00:43:54,650
his life, is an absolute
pillar of self-discipline.
796
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,810
What saved me was
knowing that I can do this.
797
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,150
And to be able to do
this in the penitentiary.
798
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:05,110
Those stages
are critical for me.
799
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:09,890
To be able to come through that era
and come through that time with scars.
800
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:13,890
But I used it to motivate
me in a different way.
801
00:44:15,335 --> 00:44:16,830
It took time to get there.
802
00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,046
Bernard Hopkins is very lucky to
have boxing, and to capitalize on it.
803
00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:22,690
He had it and he
took advantage of it.
804
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:26,150
People who don't have those
options, it gets very bleak.
805
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:29,430
We cut back on a lot of the educational
options, we cut back on a lot of the
806
00:44:29,431 --> 00:44:32,250
facilities, we cut back on time out
in the yard, we cut back on sports.
807
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:35,210
Energize inmates.
808
00:44:35,335 --> 00:44:39,090
Use their energy in the right
direction by going to the boxing gym.
809
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:45,210
It releases energy that
won't be released on authority.
810
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:47,830
Or on other things.
811
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:53,210
Those kinds of programs are no
longer available in today's prisons.
812
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:58,650
Today's prisons are more about punishment
rather than recognizing the mistakes
813
00:44:58,651 --> 00:45:02,210
individuals may have made
and helping them grow from them.
814
00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:05,630
Sometimes we do
completely perverse things.
815
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:08,214
In New York State at least,
the single most popular
816
00:45:08,215 --> 00:45:09,770
training program in
prison is barber school.
817
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:13,130
So you have thousands of men
training to be barbers in prison.
818
00:45:13,350 --> 00:45:15,786
It's actually giving them a
job to do while they're in prison.
819
00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:18,023
Providing actually a useful
skill they can use on the
820
00:45:18,024 --> 00:45:19,670
outside, only they're
not allowed to use it at all.
821
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:21,570
People on parole,
ex-felons, can't be barbers.
822
00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:23,270
It's a blanket
ban for licensing.
823
00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:25,163
Once you get into that
system, we're actually
824
00:45:25,164 --> 00:45:27,530
setting you up even
more to fail down the line.
825
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:31,010
You just keep making it tougher and
tougher and then, you know, shaking your
826
00:45:31,011 --> 00:45:33,651
heads in disappointment when
they fail and making it tougher still.
827
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:38,181
Activist Angela Davis describes
prisons as this place where
828
00:45:38,182 --> 00:45:41,290
we don't make problems disappear,
we make people disappear.
829
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:45,290
We want to think of ourselves
as never making mistakes.
830
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:48,130
And so when confronted
with individuals who make
831
00:45:48,131 --> 00:45:51,071
mistakes, we're forced
to look in the mirror.
832
00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:00,600
Muhammad Ali, in his prime,
was served by his character.
833
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,240
Mike Tyson didn't
have that character.
834
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,720
He had tremendous ferocity,
tremendous ability, God-given strength.
835
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:10,120
But the people around him weren't
encouraging him to develop character.
836
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,560
They were enabling him, in a
lot of ways, to destroy himself.
837
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,940
His only real mentors were
his managers and his trainers.
838
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,293
They weren't really
trying to teach him a lot of
839
00:46:21,294 --> 00:46:24,281
social skills, other than
how to deal with media.
840
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640
People treat you differently
when you're famous.
841
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,160
Fame really distorts your
own perception of yourself.
842
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,720
It's a thing.
843
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,940
Anybody on this planet with six
billion people, six billion, right?
844
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,860
Anybody on this planet, you
could beat them in a fair fight.
845
00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:44,060
So you tell me how
that'll feed your ego.
846
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:48,160
He starts buying all these
incredible sports cars.
847
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,260
He buys Bentleys.
848
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,380
He buys Rolls Royces.
849
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:52,840
And he starts buying
these mansions.
850
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,280
And, of course, it's
conspicuous consumption.
851
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,260
He's showing the world that,
you know, look how far he's come.
852
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,360
My life only existed
through accomplishments.
853
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,540
You win this, you get this car.
854
00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:05,200
You win this, you get this.
855
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:06,300
You win this, you get that.
856
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520
And you have that much money,
you know, everything is possible.
857
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,140
The media was creating this image,
but Mike was helping with the image.
858
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,060
That he was just a
savage, a wild man.
859
00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:19,506
If I fuck you in your
ass, you punk white
860
00:47:19,586 --> 00:47:21,540
boy, I'll eat your ass
all alive, you bitch.
861
00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:23,620
I became a megalomaniac.
862
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:24,700
I thought I was a god.
863
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:27,178
If you were old enough,
you may have seen some of
864
00:47:27,179 --> 00:47:29,160
my fights and some of
the things I said to people.
865
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,660
I said about myself, you know, as
some kind of demigod or something.
866
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:34,180
I'm a tyrannosaurus, man.
867
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,280
I'm a tyrannical titan.
868
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,320
I'm the best ever.
869
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:38,096
There's never been
anybody who's worse than me.
870
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,520
That's just the way I was trained to
fight, to have that kind of belief system.
871
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:45,225
We all heard those stories of
people that have had nothing
872
00:47:45,226 --> 00:47:47,480
and then had it all and
didn't know how to handle it.
873
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,320
It's one thing to be able to have
that drive and that desire to become a
874
00:47:50,321 --> 00:47:55,620
champion, but to stay hungry when you have
that success, it becomes that much harder.
875
00:47:57,260 --> 00:48:00,660
We think of him as this
monster with huge power.
876
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:01,400
And he did have power.
877
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:08,580
But Mike Tyson was a small heavyweight
who needed to fight well to be effective.
878
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,311
A Mike Tyson that isn't
perfectly conditioned and a Mike
879
00:48:13,312 --> 00:48:17,060
Tyson that isn't fighting
the right style, he's beatable.
880
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,860
Please welcome the challenger,
James Buster Douglas!
881
00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:30,500
No one expected Mike Tyson
to lose to Buster Douglas.
882
00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:32,200
The odds were astronomical.
883
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:38,860
Introducing the undefeated, undisputed
heavyweight champion of the world,
884
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,940
the one and only,
Iron Mike Tyson!
885
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:48,598
It was in Japan and
most news organizations
886
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,241
didn't even send
anybody to cover the fight.
887
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:52,880
Larry, what are we about to see?
888
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:57,000
Another 90-second annihilation
of an ill-prepared opponent?
889
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,098
Well, in the important
game of expectations, this
890
00:49:00,099 --> 00:49:02,880
fight is over before it
begins or soon thereafter.
891
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,601
You have to remember
that just nobody
892
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:08,340
believes anybody can
compete with Mike Tyson.
893
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:13,151
And there, of course, is
Amanda Holyfield, who has a
894
00:49:13,152 --> 00:49:16,500
guarantee of $12 million
to fight Mike Tyson in June.
895
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,460
Everyone was
looking forward to it.
896
00:49:18,461 --> 00:49:20,596
I was looking forward to Mike
Tyson fighting Evander Holyfield.
897
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:24,440
I watched the Douglas-Tyson fight
with Donald Trump and his executives.
898
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,978
They were expecting that
Tyson-Holyfield fight to be on one
899
00:49:27,979 --> 00:49:30,580
of their properties and would
be a major event for them.
900
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:33,360
Mike went kicking and
screaming to Tokyo.
901
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:36,787
You know, he thought, I
knocked out guys that beat Buster
902
00:49:36,788 --> 00:49:39,980
Douglas, so why do I have to,
you know, train for Buster Douglas?
903
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:42,440
So he got there
and he didn't train.
904
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:49,740
And he instead enjoyed all the
fruits of young Japanese women there.
905
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:54,960
Buster had nothing to lose,
and he was training his heart out.
906
00:49:55,330 --> 00:49:58,880
Evander saw this, and he knew
trouble might be on the horizon.
907
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,300
Douglas is getting
Mike Tyson to reach in.
908
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,980
When you reach in,
that's what happens.
909
00:50:02,981 --> 00:50:05,334
Another good right
hand and a good right
910
00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:07,860
uppercut, and two more
good rights by Douglas.
911
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,940
I don't think I've ever seen Tyson
absorb that kind of a four or five-punch
912
00:50:12,941 --> 00:50:15,510
combination before in
his professional career.
913
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,980
And he is swelled up.
914
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,500
Mike Tyson's eye and is
dominating the fight right now.
915
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,700
It was a perfect
storm of events.
916
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:28,140
It was Mike Tyson not taking Buster
Douglas as seriously as he should have,
917
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:30,790
and it was Buster Douglas
preparing himself correctly.
918
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:34,640
Rolling willingly just to try to get in
the shot that will finish things in here.
919
00:50:34,641 --> 00:50:35,220
Oh, the uppercut.
920
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:38,400
What an uppercut by
Douglas, and down goes Tyson.
921
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:58,620
It's over.
922
00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:59,200
It's over.
923
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:00,720
Mike Tyson has been knocked out.
924
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:09,280
There are a lot of lessons
fighters learn the hard way.
925
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,420
Every fighter comes to know the
fact that this is an unforgiving sport.
926
00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:21,440
And suddenly Mike Tyson has been reduced
to being another heavyweight champion.
927
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:23,200
He got defeated.
928
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,660
There's no other sport where
you can rise and fall so quickly.
929
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,560
When I became the heavyweight champion
of the world for the first time with Buster
930
00:51:36,561 --> 00:51:43,400
Douglas, people hated the fact... That's
not by holding... White hand stuns Douglas.
931
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:51,720
Brown knockout.
932
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,300
They said, you can't
get no credibility from me.
933
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,140
You still ain't the champ.
934
00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:58,760
You didn't even beat Tyson.
935
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,660
An Indiana grand jury has indicted former
heavyweight boxing champ, Mike Tyson.
936
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,683
He is charged with raping a
woman who was a contestant
937
00:52:06,684 --> 00:52:08,940
in this summer's Miss
Black America pageant.
938
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,940
Within the past hour, the jury
has returned four indictments.
939
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,285
One for rape, two charges
of criminal deviant conduct,
940
00:52:14,286 --> 00:52:16,420
and three charges and
one charge of confinement.
941
00:52:22,510 --> 00:52:26,770
If I was in here for something
that I did, it would be easier.
942
00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:31,310
But just the fact that I'm in here for
something I didn't do and I'm innocent is
943
00:52:31,311 --> 00:52:33,470
every day I'm walking
a thin line through hell.
944
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:37,790
I thought prison was for the rehabilitation
of men, or women, so to speak.
945
00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:38,650
That's what I always thought.
946
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:39,330
That's what they say.
947
00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:42,250
We send you here and we rehabilitate
you before you won't do it again.
948
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:44,756
People come out of prison,
they come out in worse
949
00:52:44,757 --> 00:52:47,010
condition than they was
when they first entered.
950
00:52:47,011 --> 00:52:49,643
In the lackluster
heavyweight division, even
951
00:52:49,644 --> 00:52:52,030
without his crown,
Tyson is still the man.
952
00:52:52,810 --> 00:52:55,156
Promoters even courted
him at the prison, hoping
953
00:52:55,157 --> 00:52:58,211
to share an estimated
$100 million payday.
954
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:04,330
Waiting for my opportunity
to get a chance to fight him.
955
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:07,630
Since a lot of writers in general
think that really he's the champ.
956
00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:10,810
I'm telling you, but, you know,
realistically, I am the champ.
957
00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:11,850
I have the best.
958
00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:17,193
Long before dawn,
news helicopters hovered
959
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:19,730
over the state prison,
and cameras were ready.
960
00:53:19,731 --> 00:53:21,730
Hundreds of them
from around the world.
961
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:23,510
Tyson issued a
written statement.
962
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:26,090
I'm very happy to be
out and on my way home.
963
00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:27,910
I will have more to say later.
964
00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:34,190
It was viewed as
good versus evil.
965
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:39,030
The good was Evander, the good Christian
guy who talks about the Lord and things
966
00:53:39,031 --> 00:53:44,430
like that, versus Mike, who at that
time was the ex-con convicted rapist.
967
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:47,870
But Evander was perceived to
have no chance against Mike.
968
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:53,710
When the fight was first announced,
Evander was a 24-year-old 25-to-1 underdog.
969
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:56,470
I mean, that's huge odds
for anybody to be 25-to-1.
970
00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:58,150
It's like they've got no shot.
971
00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:08,930
I'm from the hood, too.
972
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:13,050
I may not act like I'm
from that, but I'm from that.
973
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:16,290
Tyson never did insult me.
974
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:17,890
But the press did.
975
00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:20,890
They talking about
Tyson gonna kill you.
976
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:22,330
As we head for the mound.
977
00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:26,710
And continue to
go after the mound.
978
00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:31,430
Ain't nothing that he was gonna
do that I'm not accustomed to.
979
00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:33,670
No intimidation factor
here whatsoever.
980
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:37,130
I knew it was gonna be tough.
981
00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:40,610
But I had watched
him my whole life.
982
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:43,430
And it's almost
like, this is the fight.
983
00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:46,490
The crowd behind Holyfield.
984
00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:52,090
The chance of Holyfield.
985
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:55,750
The crowd sensing that Holyfield
might have Tyson in trouble.
986
00:54:56,870 --> 00:55:01,130
Mike just wore down from
not being able to hurt Evander.
987
00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:03,830
And that was something that
he had never experienced before.
988
00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:11,750
I can't believe what I'm seeing.
989
00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:14,870
It's the most unbelievable thing
I've ever been privileged to witness.
990
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,570
It was one of the most
complete fight I ever fought.
991
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,260
That was Holyfield's
greatest achievement.
992
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:30,677
Evander Holyfield ended up
being in some of the largest
993
00:55:30,678 --> 00:55:33,800
pay-per-view matches
in the history of the sport.
994
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:37,080
But it took him a
long time to get there.
995
00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:39,356
Evander Holyfield was
not just a good fighter.
996
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:40,120
He was a great fighter.
997
00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:41,900
He's an underrated
heavyweight in my mind.
998
00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:44,940
Very arguably belongs in the
top ten heavyweights of all time.
999
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,176
Even though he was a little guy.
1000
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,280
Started as a cruiserweight.
1001
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:48,940
Tyson...
1002
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:53,630
I don't think he became
what he could have been.
1003
00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:06,600
Boxing as we imagine it is driven
by a desire to annihilate the opponent.
1004
00:56:06,601 --> 00:56:09,380
The focus is on the external.
1005
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:16,020
Looking at what boxers themselves
say is that it's about the internal.
1006
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,720
It's about the discipline.
1007
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,160
It's about the craft.
1008
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:20,900
That it's not about
the opponent.
1009
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,300
It's not about the external.
1010
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:24,660
But it's about the internal.
1011
00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:26,160
It's about self.
1012
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,500
When you win, everybody wins.
1013
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:31,900
When you lose,
you lose all along.
1014
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,040
And that's the truth.
1015
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,600
Because you have to
deal with that by yourself.
1016
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,540
There's a large degree to which
the fighter that achieves stardom,
1017
00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:46,240
superstardom, they represent
the American dream to people.
1018
00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:48,180
I mean, the underdog
that makes it.
1019
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,701
But I got to be honest with you, I
think a lot of that's greatly overstated.
1020
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,480
You know, Mike Tyson, the biggest athlete
by far of the 1990s, the biggest athlete
1021
00:56:59,481 --> 00:57:06,720
of the 1990s, and certainly a superstar
boxer, suffered a lot of ups and downs and
1022
00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:09,537
was never really
protected by the people that
1023
00:57:09,538 --> 00:57:12,841
surrounded him for the
majority of his career.
1024
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:18,560
My self-worth, even when I was a child, was
depending on how much I could hurt someone.
1025
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,440
And as I got older and I met
Cuss, that's what it continued to be,
1026
00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:26,560
how many people I could knock
out, how fast I could knock them out,
1027
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,380
how bad I could hurt them.
1028
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,820
And so it just...
1029
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:32,280
it just stayed on that path.
1030
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,780
A kid doesn't have a normal home
environment, doesn't have a normal support
1031
00:57:35,781 --> 00:57:39,400
system around him, and then he's
basically trained to be a fighting machine.
1032
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:40,700
His life was crazy.
1033
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Tyson was a pit bull.
1034
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,920
The ear-biting incident
was a check-out.
1035
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,260
Mike was messed up.
1036
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:50,820
I'm sure he'd be the
first one to tell you that.
1037
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,163
You have to understand,
this is just what I did
1038
00:57:54,164 --> 00:57:56,881
seven years of my life,
eight years of my life.
1039
00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:59,180
My greatest moment was
when I stopped boxing.
1040
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:01,880
It was just dark for me.
1041
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Boxing got real dark for me.
1042
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:09,940
A stunned crowd here at the
MCI Center in Washington, D.C.
1043
00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:16,180
as Kevin McBride defeats Mike
Tyson, who quits on his stool.
1044
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,539
I got the ability to stay
in shape, but I don't
1045
00:58:18,619 --> 00:58:20,200
got the fighting guts,
I don't think, anymore.
1046
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:21,980
When did you recognize that?
1047
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,140
In what part of the fight?
1048
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,780
I don't know.
1049
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,840
Early into the fight.
1050
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,420
Um... I'm just sorry I
let everybody down.
1051
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,540
I just don't have this
in my heart anymore.
1052
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:34,360
Did you feel as though you
had it coming into the fight?
1053
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:35,360
Um, no.
1054
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:37,860
I'm just fighting to take
care of my bills, basically.
1055
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:44,000
We know from studies of lottery winners,
of professional athletes, anyone who comes
1056
00:58:44,001 --> 00:58:47,820
into a sudden windfall of money, be
careful what you wish for, because that
1057
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:49,020
creates more problems.
1058
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,567
You have everybody
coming out of the woodwork
1059
00:58:51,579 --> 00:58:53,461
to try to get a
piece of your action.
1060
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,540
Tyson has pulled in an
estimated... 300 million dollars.
1061
00:59:03,350 --> 00:59:06,040
He could have made more if he
hadn't racked up the prison time.
1062
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:08,985
And who knows how
much he's lost in lawsuits,
1063
00:59:08,986 --> 00:59:11,220
or to the managers he
claims ripped him off.
1064
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,440
Bottom line, Tyson
then, 300 million.
1065
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,560
Tyson now, Chapter 11.
1066
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,480
It's a sport where
you can be used.
1067
00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:24,380
There's no training about how to
handle yourself outside the ring.
1068
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:27,920
Very few boxers are taught
about how to handle their money.
1069
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:30,540
You don't have a good
team of people around you.
1070
00:59:30,541 --> 00:59:32,580
You will kill yourself.
1071
00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:36,168
You will crash and burn
because every level of success
1072
00:59:36,169 --> 00:59:39,200
you have, you hit a wall
that you have to learn more.
1073
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,810
I'll always wonder why
Mike Tyson didn't declare
1074
00:59:41,811 --> 00:59:44,880
bankruptcy years before his
tax issues became crushing.
1075
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:46,940
I mean, he clearly was bankrupt.
1076
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,156
Why did he declare bankruptcy?
1077
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:50,883
Because it was in
people's interest to keep his
1078
00:59:50,884 --> 00:59:53,200
contracts alive with those
he was doing business with.
1079
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,794
Days after filing for
bankruptcy, boxer Mike Tyson
1080
00:59:55,795 --> 00:59:58,420
has filed suit against his
former promoter, Don King.
1081
00:59:58,421 --> 01:00:01,440
Don was, I mean,
he knew everybody.
1082
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:03,180
It's like he was a
step ahead of us.
1083
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:05,420
How could you prepare
for something like that?
1084
01:00:05,540 --> 01:00:09,540
You don't know who's trying to take
from you, who loves you, who likes you.
1085
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:11,700
You don't know if somebody's
trying to set you up.
1086
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:15,340
Even when you play by the rule book,
you find a person that has that same
1087
01:00:15,341 --> 01:00:19,460
energy that the person had
that was trying to rob you.
1088
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,280
But they won't even give you
courtesy of pointing a gun at you.
1089
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:26,640
They'll rob you and
do it in black and white.
1090
01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:28,380
And I've seen people
do worse things.
1091
01:00:28,381 --> 01:00:30,699
I've seen people do worse
things to you in corporate
1092
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:33,261
settings than I've seen
them do on the street.
1093
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:35,480
They take everything from you.
1094
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,360
There are bottom feeders that will
attach themselves with their law license,
1095
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:51,580
with their business savvy, to a
fighter from Brooklyn, New York, Philly,
1096
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:55,560
or any other place that don't
have really the education.
1097
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,360
Just ask Atlanta car
dealer Kent Sanders.
1098
01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:00,317
Who took Holyfield under
his wing when he needed
1099
01:01:00,318 --> 01:01:02,881
a co-signer for a car
and became his manager.
1100
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,360
Kent Sanders wasn't my manager.
1101
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,260
I just told people that because he ran a
car dealership, so he knew about money.
1102
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,400
I got into boxing because all I
had to do was know how to fight.
1103
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,620
I didn't know nobody
who knew about money.
1104
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,540
I don't know nobody
who made a lot of money.
1105
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,593
I mean, even when you
hit the powerball, the first
1106
01:01:21,594 --> 01:01:24,461
thing people tell you is get
an accountant and a lawyer.
1107
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,540
Well, boxing is the same
way, but they don't tell you.
1108
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:32,168
That's why most athletes
wind up not having nothing
1109
01:01:32,169 --> 01:01:35,840
when all the hard labor
and years in the ring is over.
1110
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,340
You ask Mike Tyson,
how you doing, Mike?
1111
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:39,860
He says, just living
the day-to-day.
1112
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,060
That's what he's doing,
just living day-to-day.
1113
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,520
You can look at people like Evander
Holyfield that made hundreds of millions
1114
01:01:46,521 --> 01:01:48,322
of dollars, that's how
those houses went into
1115
01:01:48,323 --> 01:01:52,220
foreclosure, and who's
struggling right now to get by.
1116
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,860
A foreclosure notice in
the local newspapers dates
1117
01:01:55,861 --> 01:01:58,360
Holyfield defaulted on
a $10 million voucher.
1118
01:01:58,361 --> 01:02:01,534
A strange reversal of fortune
for a champion believed
1119
01:02:01,535 --> 01:02:05,260
to have earned $200 million
during his storied career.
1120
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,068
The house that
Holyfield built may soon
1121
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,960
become his biggest
loss outside of the ring.
1122
01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:13,960
When you get money,
you gotta ask questions.
1123
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,240
I never did have to ask questions
because I never had nobody.
1124
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:20,431
What happened to me
is not so much they stole,
1125
01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:23,020
but they did take advantage
of what I didn't know.
1126
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,360
They all want this boxer
to make them money.
1127
01:02:26,361 --> 01:02:30,860
Once the boxer doesn't make them any more
money, they're cast aside like rubbish.
1128
01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:35,720
You retire with a great record and then
be sitting on a stool in your living room.
1129
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:36,840
Where do I go from here?
1130
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,100
I don't have any skills.
1131
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,376
I'm not trained to do anything.
1132
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,200
I'm not educated.
1133
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:41,356
I don't have a college degree.
1134
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:43,036
A lot of guys don't have
high school degrees.
1135
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:48,980
It's not at all uncommon to have even
boxers who had great acclaim wind up
1136
01:02:49,155 --> 01:02:52,800
broke, penniless, as greed
is at a casino in Vegas.
1137
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:56,340
What you don't hear about is the
guy that fights on ESPN for money.
1138
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,000
Four times a year.
1139
01:02:57,315 --> 01:03:00,500
And after he pays, his
manager and his trainer and
1140
01:03:00,501 --> 01:03:03,321
everyone involved is
still at the poverty line.
1141
01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:07,340
The budgets on ESPN allow a guy in a
main event to get paid about 15 grand.
1142
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,760
Like I said, split
that money off.
1143
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,700
Train for a number
of weeks for that fight.
1144
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,498
And you can make more
money, honestly, taking a
1145
01:03:14,499 --> 01:03:17,161
minimum wage job and
working a little bit overtime.
1146
01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:19,403
The minimum salary in
Major League Baseball,
1147
01:03:19,503 --> 01:03:22,600
even in Minor League
Baseball, is livable.
1148
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,660
There is no minimum
salary for a fighter.
1149
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,640
99% of fighters probably
make 99% of money.
1150
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:33,740
Boxing is laissez faire
capitalism run amok.
1151
01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:36,620
There is essentially
no one running the ship.
1152
01:03:37,155 --> 01:03:39,820
There's different organizations
that run a piece of it.
1153
01:03:39,995 --> 01:03:43,480
There's promoters who go up
and down and control parts of it.
1154
01:03:44,090 --> 01:03:46,480
But there are
essentially no regulations.
1155
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,100
Boxing is regulated
at the state level.
1156
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:52,900
You have Nevada
with its set of rules.
1157
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:54,396
You have California
with its set of rules.
1158
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:54,900
You have New York.
1159
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,960
You have New Jersey.
1160
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,840
Jurisdictions will have different
perspective on a different matter.
1161
01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:01,100
And nobody is on the
same page at all times.
1162
01:04:01,335 --> 01:04:05,100
Most people think that we need a federal
commission to regulate the sport of boxing.
1163
01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:07,814
The federal government
attempted to regulate
1164
01:04:07,826 --> 01:04:09,600
boxing by the passage
of the OLLI Act.
1165
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:14,780
It's given some authority to the federal
government to enforce boxing from a
1166
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,880
business perspective.
1167
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:19,102
However, there has not
been any prosecution or
1168
01:04:19,103 --> 01:04:21,980
implementation of the
OLLI Act for a fighter.
1169
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:25,480
Why is it every sport
in America is regulated?
1170
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,280
Or have some type of union?
1171
01:04:28,930 --> 01:04:30,500
And boxing don't?
1172
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,300
In other sports like baseball, football,
tennis, you have individuals who
1173
01:04:41,301 --> 01:04:44,206
are well educated in
those sports to help guide
1174
01:04:44,207 --> 01:04:46,800
those champions through
their effort and their time.
1175
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,276
If you're an NFL player or
an NBA player or a major
1176
01:04:49,336 --> 01:04:52,220
league baseball player,
there is at least a core.
1177
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,200
You have the team.
1178
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:56,240
You have whatever resources
they have to help you with.
1179
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:58,020
You have the league
that has some resources.
1180
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,800
Who do we go to?
1181
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,101
It's crazy to pit your body
and your mind through this
1182
01:05:11,102 --> 01:05:14,180
hard way of making a living
for yourself and your family.
1183
01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:16,480
And to wind up with nothing.
1184
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:18,860
And not even your health.
1185
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,340
To me is a sin.
1186
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,620
We as a country are
in love with our sports.
1187
01:05:24,090 --> 01:05:28,960
But when these two fighters step into a
ring, there is a level of violence that is
1188
01:05:28,961 --> 01:05:32,280
unlike any other sport in
terms of duration and intensity.
1189
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,040
When a fighter receives a blow that's so
severe, what's going on inside the head is
1190
01:05:38,041 --> 01:05:40,737
the brain is suddenly slammed
against the back of your
1191
01:05:40,738 --> 01:05:43,420
skull and then thrown forward
again as the head snaps back.
1192
01:05:43,780 --> 01:05:45,840
It's commonly
called a concussion.
1193
01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:57,390
It can swell and cause long-term
hematomas, bleeding on the brain,
1194
01:05:57,610 --> 01:06:01,210
memory loss, strokes or
aneurysms, or vessel breakage.
1195
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,541
It can cause death,
depending on how severe, how
1196
01:06:12,542 --> 01:06:15,120
acute, where the brain
actually impacts the skull.
1197
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,441
It has happened where
a fighter will leave the
1198
01:06:18,481 --> 01:06:21,020
ring, whether they've
won or lost, they look fine.
1199
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,420
They head out to dinner, everything's
wonderful, and one to two to three days
1200
01:06:25,421 --> 01:06:27,740
later, something, you
know, traumatic happens.
1201
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,180
I had a young champion, a
guy named Lavander Johnson.
1202
01:06:31,420 --> 01:06:32,656
He was walking out of the ring.
1203
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,020
I walked out of the ring behind him, and
I saw he was a little unsteady on his feet.
1204
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,040
He put his arm on me, and I
walked him back to his dressing room.
1205
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:44,420
He was apologizing for
losing, and I'll never forget it.
1206
01:06:44,421 --> 01:06:46,520
He literally sat on his stool,
and he looked at me and he said,
1207
01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:48,780
Lou, I have a headache,
and then he fell forward.
1208
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,360
And he never regained
consciousness.
1209
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:54,500
He died, I think it
was five, six days later.
1210
01:06:55,085 --> 01:06:57,722
Every society, for the
most part, on the face
1211
01:06:57,723 --> 01:07:01,920
of the earth, has some
primal need for violence.
1212
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,960
It's always there,
that bloodthirstiness.
1213
01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:11,040
It's human nature to be
fascinated by violence.
1214
01:07:11,885 --> 01:07:14,260
We hear a car wreck,
we go see what happened.
1215
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:18,380
Horror movies, how is somebody
going to be eaten alive or torn up?
1216
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:20,080
It's all over the place.
1217
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:26,080
We are just attracted by
confrontation, by conflict, by controversy.
1218
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,220
That's what sells, and
that's what boxing tries to sell.
1219
01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:37,460
Boxing needs something that can
say, hey, there is support for a fighter.
1220
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,440
The fighter is the one who's putting
his life in danger to enter that ring and
1221
01:07:41,441 --> 01:07:43,480
provide entertainment
to everybody that's there.
1222
01:07:43,481 --> 01:07:45,730
However, we have to
weigh the resources we
1223
01:07:45,731 --> 01:07:47,840
have with the actual
regulation of the sport.
1224
01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:50,345
Over the last year, we
generated about $5.5
1225
01:07:50,346 --> 01:07:53,261
million in tax revenue
just from ticket sales.
1226
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,120
The state legislature then makes an
appropriation to the athletic commission,
1227
01:07:57,340 --> 01:08:00,040
and that allocation
is about $450,000.
1228
01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:03,120
So there's a huge disparity
from a regulative perspective.
1229
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,620
I'm concerned right
now about the sport.
1230
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,163
People in life have a
right to take risks and
1231
01:08:09,164 --> 01:08:11,820
a right to live the
lives they want to live.
1232
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,440
Now, that being
said, it's Barbara.
1233
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,503
It's barbaric in a lot of ways
that there's no standardized
1234
01:08:16,504 --> 01:08:20,000
health and safety criteria
in the United States.
1235
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:20,580
Think about that.
1236
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,360
You know, it's preposterous.
1237
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,483
It's high time that boxing
began to regulate just
1238
01:08:25,484 --> 01:08:28,180
like, you know, other
pro sports like the NFL.
1239
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,700
When there's no checks and
balances, there's a problem.
1240
01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:36,720
When you see the people who come from
nothing, who come from less than nothing,
1241
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,441
to see them perform
and to see them give
1242
01:08:39,442 --> 01:08:43,401
such great entertainment
is an amazing thing.
1243
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:48,000
But as important it is for us to celebrate
them at the top of where they are,
1244
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,600
it's as important that we figure out how
to carry them when they need us the most.
1245
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:55,660
There are some great success
stories and some great stories
1246
01:08:55,661 --> 01:09:00,360
of those who escape prison,
escape the street and make it.
1247
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,780
But for every one of those
guys, there's a sad story.
1248
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,072
And there's a story of
someone who's exploited or a
1249
01:09:05,073 --> 01:09:07,680
story of someone who loses
their health in the long term.
1250
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:10,940
Or a story that somebody who
becomes a champion and toils
1251
01:09:10,941 --> 01:09:13,501
for years and then winds up
retiring with virtually nothing.
1252
01:09:14,530 --> 01:09:16,730
It's the American dream and
it's the American nightmare.
1253
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,660
When I'm over here and I'm looking at the
Vegas strip, I think about all the trouble
1254
01:09:36,661 --> 01:09:38,940
I got in over there, all
the drugs I used there.
1255
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:43,940
I never even think about all
the great fights I had there.
1256
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,860
I think about all the things I
did there wasn't really moral.
1257
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:54,920
All I did was knock people out,
screw people, have sex with women,
1258
01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:56,340
get high on drugs.
1259
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,640
When me and my wife first got
together, I was a full-blown addict.
1260
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:09,310
My daughter passed
away at four years old.
1261
01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:11,370
I'm having a tragic
accident at home.
1262
01:10:13,450 --> 01:10:14,530
That's my lowest point.
1263
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,960
When I was at the hospital, I realized that
other people's children were dying, too.
1264
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:25,560
And those people, just because I'm famous,
they took out of their way, left their
1265
01:10:25,561 --> 01:10:28,036
dying children, their sick children,
came over here and prayed with me.
1266
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:30,760
Then I realized, well, hey,
their babies are dying, too.
1267
01:10:30,761 --> 01:10:33,325
So what makes you so
important that you think you
1268
01:10:33,326 --> 01:10:35,400
should be mad and angry
and want to kill somebody?
1269
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:38,620
Let's do this whole tough guy
stuff because your baby's dying.
1270
01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:41,516
Their babies died, too, and they left
them to come over here and talk to you.
1271
01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:42,700
You ain't shit, motherfucker.
1272
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,360
You don't care about nobody.
1273
01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:45,887
These people left
their fucking babies to
1274
01:10:45,888 --> 01:10:48,521
talk to you, and you
don't give a fucking ass.
1275
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,800
And that's just what it was.
1276
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,240
And it's not about me.
1277
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,700
The world's bigger than me.
1278
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,600
My wife just stayed by me and
said, we're going to get through this.
1279
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:07,800
She just kept it very
positive, constantly positive.
1280
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,400
I just wanted to change.
1281
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:17,420
I wanted to break the chain of
self-bondage that my mother and father and
1282
01:11:17,421 --> 01:11:20,840
her mother and father probably
had, and I wanted to change with me.
1283
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:24,460
So my kids wouldn't have to
deal with that same suffering.
1284
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,020
I'm just so happy to be
involved with the recovery world.
1285
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,460
I met a bunch of people
that were just amazing people.
1286
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:36,280
They didn't quit on me, didn't give up on
me like the rest of the people in my life.
1287
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:39,040
It's an ongoing struggle.
1288
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,840
The pain never goes away.
1289
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,280
I'm never in a situation that I'm so
secure that I can never fall back into
1290
01:11:47,281 --> 01:11:52,040
that nasty, dirty, disgusting,
wretched individual that I once was.
1291
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,480
I never think that
guy's gone totally.
1292
01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:59,140
It's time now where I have to deal
with things from a serious perspective.
1293
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,660
And how me and my family are
going to evolve from that perspective.
1294
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:10,490
You have to make adjustments.
1295
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:13,030
Adjustments are part of life.
1296
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:15,670
Disappointment.
1297
01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:16,790
That's the biggest fight.
1298
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,070
You want to see how
strong somebody is.
1299
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:22,290
But I don't get disappointed.
1300
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:24,870
It's over.
1301
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:25,630
That's it.
1302
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:26,870
It is over.
1303
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:32,210
Evander Holyfield has
never been knocked out.
1304
01:12:32,211 --> 01:12:34,810
And Riddick Bowe
is the one to do it.
1305
01:12:36,250 --> 01:12:39,765
If I was Holyfield or any of
his team members, I'd really
1306
01:12:39,766 --> 01:12:42,330
have to reevaluate if
he's fit to continue to fight.
1307
01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:44,116
With all the health
problems and the heart
1308
01:12:44,117 --> 01:12:46,150
conditions, is Evander
Holyfield just completely done?
1309
01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:47,230
We don't know.
1310
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:50,890
My mother passed
before I fought Mike Tyson.
1311
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:55,310
My brother passed before
I fought Riddick Bowe.
1312
01:12:56,050 --> 01:12:58,150
I had a lot of tragedy
in my family and stuff
1313
01:12:58,151 --> 01:12:59,850
that, you know, you
had to put them behind.
1314
01:12:59,851 --> 01:12:59,990
What happened?
1315
01:13:00,850 --> 01:13:04,130
And the continuing life in
the ring of Evander Holyfield.
1316
01:13:04,270 --> 01:13:05,790
Don't count me out yet, he says.
1317
01:13:06,090 --> 01:13:08,110
And tonight with some
new gas in the tank.
1318
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:10,810
Evander Holyfield
was an all-time great.
1319
01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:15,170
But Evander didn't understand that
the shelf life of a fighter is limited.
1320
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:18,350
We may be seeing
the end of an era.
1321
01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:22,270
And I think they're
throwing the towel.
1322
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:25,450
I think he was forced
to fight way too long.
1323
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:27,870
Fights at the end of his
career for virtually no money.
1324
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:32,870
Evander is very confident
in what he believes.
1325
01:13:33,130 --> 01:13:38,670
His stubbornness can be his
greatest asset and his greatest liability.
1326
01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:42,190
I didn't get into
boxing for money.
1327
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:45,830
I got into boxing because I
wanted to be the very best.
1328
01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:49,030
I'm the only person that's been the
heavyweight champion world five times.
1329
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:51,890
Because I got that
minute opportunity.
1330
01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:54,050
Everybody's going
to get off the path.
1331
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:56,290
But the point is
to get back on it.
1332
01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:57,930
Forgive yourself
and get back on.
1333
01:13:59,850 --> 01:14:01,421
Evander Holyfield
has faced plenty of
1334
01:14:01,433 --> 01:14:03,350
opponents in the ring,
but nothing like this.
1335
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:07,470
Together with his friend and financier,
Yank Berry, they plan to deliver food aid
1336
01:14:07,471 --> 01:14:11,090
and help resettle Syrian refugees
in a home supplied by Berry's charity.
1337
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:14,750
Yank Berry used my
likeness to draw the people.
1338
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:16,730
I was on my last leg.
1339
01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:20,651
But this man gave me an
opportunity to fight back these
1340
01:14:20,652 --> 01:14:23,570
people who were taking
my memorabilia and all this.
1341
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:25,230
He did it himself.
1342
01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:29,210
I think Evander has
come to that realization.
1343
01:14:29,211 --> 01:14:33,950
That he needs to be Evander Holyfield
and not necessarily Evander Holyfield,
1344
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:35,850
four-time heavyweight
champion of the world.
1345
01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:39,914
If it wasn't for that boys club
and other people who had
1346
01:14:39,915 --> 01:14:44,990
money, who sponsored me
as a kid, I wouldn't be who I am.
1347
01:14:45,190 --> 01:14:49,750
The work that I'm doing now with Global
Village, that's what life is really about.
1348
01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:52,277
I go to heaven, they ain't
going to be asking me how many
1349
01:14:52,278 --> 01:14:54,086
times you came to the
heavyweight champion of the world.
1350
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:56,010
He's going to ask what
do you do for the people.
1351
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:58,550
The reason why you exist in
the world is to help somebody.
1352
01:14:59,210 --> 01:15:00,210
Not just for yourself.
1353
01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:02,530
One of my best friends
was Muhammad Ali.
1354
01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:06,650
Muhammad's health started failing and
had to pick a new goodwill ambassador.
1355
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:08,690
It was Evander.
1356
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:10,170
Evander brought in Mike.
1357
01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:12,470
You brought him in?
1358
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:13,870
Yep.
1359
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:17,090
Evander Holyfield has
been very gracious with Mike.
1360
01:15:17,290 --> 01:15:19,850
Mike bit a portion
of his ear off.
1361
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:22,350
That takes a lot of compassion.
1362
01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:24,910
A lot of love in your
heart to forgive someone.
1363
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:26,850
If you forgive, then
you'll have peace.
1364
01:15:27,670 --> 01:15:29,910
You won't have people
fighting each other all the time.
1365
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:32,890
That's what makes the world
go around is people forgive.
1366
01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:35,178
What did you think when
Evander called you and
1367
01:15:35,179 --> 01:15:37,250
said, I want you to get
involved in this project?
1368
01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:40,066
Well, it's not like I was doing
anything, of course, you know.
1369
01:15:40,090 --> 01:15:41,430
I just said, hey, um, yeah.
1370
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:42,070
Okay.
1371
01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:44,605
Well, Mike always
talked about that he never
1372
01:15:44,606 --> 01:15:46,590
wanted to be involved
in the sport again.
1373
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:51,250
But now that he's resurrected himself,
you see him going back to boxing.
1374
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:56,830
Establishing his own promotional company
to not only help the young boxers out
1375
01:15:56,831 --> 01:15:59,896
there, develop into good
boxers, but to help them
1376
01:15:59,897 --> 01:16:03,250
not make some of the
bad choices that he made.
1377
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:04,710
I was very critical of Mike.
1378
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:07,910
I'm happy to see him at a place where I
think he's much more at peace and at a
1379
01:16:07,911 --> 01:16:10,390
better place in his life
than I've ever seen him.
1380
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:14,078
The Mike Tyson that's there
right now is an honest guy trying
1381
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,510
to do the best he can to be
happy and live a good life.
1382
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:19,690
His core love of boxing
stems from the amateurs.
1383
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:22,290
That's when it was all
about the love of the game.
1384
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:23,810
It wasn't so much about money.
1385
01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:26,810
And that's when boxing
and the sport is at its purest.
1386
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:33,970
It's the adversity that you face as a boxer
that really brings out the true champion.
1387
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:37,286
Bernard and Mike and
Evander, all of them have faced
1388
01:16:37,287 --> 01:16:40,010
that kind of adversity
inside the ring to be sure.
1389
01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:41,690
But outside the ring as well.
1390
01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:45,277
And I don't think we can
measure the arc of some of these
1391
01:16:45,278 --> 01:16:47,710
people until we see them
go through the adversities.
1392
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:50,690
And when they do, it takes
a lot to come back from it.
1393
01:16:51,330 --> 01:16:56,250
The one thing that I think keeps them
coming back both in the boxing ring and in
1394
01:16:56,251 --> 01:16:59,450
life, is the fact that
boxers have perseverance.
1395
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:05,950
I'm on a different mission now that some
ain't going to like and they shouldn't.
1396
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:14,630
What I would like to do in my second
half of life is to raise what they would
1397
01:17:14,631 --> 01:17:20,170
perceive to be hell amongst the people
that want to keep a society of prey to
1398
01:17:20,171 --> 01:17:24,670
exist so they can take advantage of
the backs and blood and tears of a fighter.
1399
01:17:25,050 --> 01:17:27,530
We need to start thinking
about things in the long term.
1400
01:17:27,531 --> 01:17:29,870
And I think some of that
responsibility falls on those
1401
01:17:29,871 --> 01:17:32,330
that interact with the fighters
on a more day-to-day basis.
1402
01:17:32,710 --> 01:17:34,524
There's one particular
fighter that has really
1403
01:17:34,525 --> 01:17:36,150
stepped out in front and
that's Bernard Hopkins.
1404
01:17:36,490 --> 01:17:39,866
Being a part of Golden Boy
Promotion, what I want to
1405
01:17:39,867 --> 01:17:42,970
do is to take every fighter
that comes through me.
1406
01:17:43,150 --> 01:17:45,190
You gotta have
your own accountant.
1407
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:49,530
You gotta have
your own attorney.
1408
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:53,830
You gotta know what
the business is about.
1409
01:17:58,890 --> 01:18:00,730
This sport changed history, man.
1410
01:18:00,810 --> 01:18:02,484
This sport had more to
do with the advancement of
1411
01:18:02,485 --> 01:18:04,451
the civil rights movement
than any other sport.
1412
01:18:04,890 --> 01:18:08,770
From Jack Johnson to
Joe Louis to Muhammad Ali.
1413
01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:11,830
This is a sport that is ingrained
in the fabric of this country.
1414
01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:17,530
I think that resurgence is possible,
but there has to be some changes made.
1415
01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:21,750
The ultimate opponent
for a fighter is truth.
1416
01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:24,762
If he can be truthful
with himself, if he can
1417
01:18:24,763 --> 01:18:27,431
look at his limitations
and then work on them.
1418
01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:31,450
If he can understand what he
does well and then enhance it.
1419
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:33,310
But he has to deal in truth.
1420
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:36,630
When you lose, you
can only blame yourself.
1421
01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:40,710
Go back and just look
at what you did wrong.
1422
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:45,890
It's the ones that know how to lose
and make yourself better and come back.
1423
01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:47,970
That's boxing.
1424
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:55,260
In boxing, you have
to have challenges.
1425
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,740
And you use those challenges
to take it to a different level.
1426
01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:02,340
I'm a fighter.
1427
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:05,585
I'm that type of guy
that could have been
1428
01:19:05,586 --> 01:19:09,321
anything else in my
life if I chose to be that.
1429
01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:12,020
We all have talent in us.
1430
01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:14,800
You just gotta find it.
1431
01:19:17,180 --> 01:19:18,940
Everybody's tested
in one way or another.
1432
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:21,240
It ain't easy.
1433
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,080
Your priorities
gotta be lined up.
1434
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,580
I have just as many
distractions as somebody else.
1435
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:29,560
But I really want
it to be great.
1436
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:37,280
Victory is how you're able to
inspire people to want to be better.
1437
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,180
It all comes down to family,
love and forgiveness and respect.
1438
01:19:42,660 --> 01:19:45,720
Pushing the gaps between
who I am and who I want to be.
1439
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,500
And find different ways of becoming
more conscious about myself.
1440
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,060
Human beings think a lot
of themselves, you know.
1441
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,580
To think that we'll be that
privileged to see the end of the world.
1442
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,040
I don't think we're going
to have that privilege.
1443
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:06,360
You know, I know there
are things that happen bad.
1444
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,860
But if you look at all the
good that's happening out here.
1445
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,920
I see a new birth in the world.
1446
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,120
I see people
respecting people more.
1447
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:19,300
We have to evolve.
1448
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:21,840
This is a great world.
1449
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,720
And it's the best deal we
ever got in our life, you know.
1450
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:25,800
Life itself.
1451
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:27,280
We got it for nothing.
1452
01:20:27,380 --> 01:20:28,540
Look at all we got in return.
1453
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,540
Don't Austin!
1454
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:31,580
But what if we were
previous leaders?
1455
01:20:31,581 --> 01:20:32,581
Talk about it.
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