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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,130 --> 00:00:13,290 I'm the youngest of nine in my family. 2 00:00:15,870 --> 00:00:20,676 As you can see, I'm black, born black, and came 3 00:00:20,677 --> 00:00:24,871 from, you know, people called it the ghetto. 4 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:27,944 My mother didn't read, my father didn't read, 5 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:31,171 and so, you know, they were a hard worker. 6 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:33,750 And that was my beginning. 7 00:00:35,730 --> 00:00:38,590 You live in a project, people throw their trash on the ground. 8 00:00:39,570 --> 00:00:43,470 We was a family that picked the trash up and put it in the dumpster. 9 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:46,590 And, you know, people look and would laugh at us. 10 00:00:46,830 --> 00:00:48,235 My mother said, you know, you live in this 11 00:00:48,236 --> 00:00:51,151 environment, you don't have to be like that. 12 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:55,810 Of course, people had money and they used their money in the wrong way. 13 00:00:56,370 --> 00:01:00,250 My mother didn't buy clothes or toys. 14 00:01:00,650 --> 00:01:01,750 She bought food. 15 00:01:01,990 --> 00:01:05,050 She know that this is what we need to be able to live. 16 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:11,690 My upbringing was four sisters, three brothers. 17 00:01:13,090 --> 00:01:15,668 Coming out of Philadelphia, it's a task itself, 18 00:01:15,669 --> 00:01:18,370 especially in the inner city called North Philly. 19 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:23,660 In the morning, we get up, my mother saying, okay, 20 00:01:23,661 --> 00:01:25,630 get up, get up, ready to school, this and that. 21 00:01:25,631 --> 00:01:31,370 You had to ration out two cans of pork and beans with six kids and try to mix other 22 00:01:31,371 --> 00:01:34,090 stuff in there to call it something different, mom. 23 00:01:34,330 --> 00:01:35,730 It's the same pork and beans. 24 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:38,070 It just got other meats in it to make it something else. 25 00:01:38,930 --> 00:01:42,410 My father was one of those guys that got up every day, did what he had to do. 26 00:01:43,450 --> 00:01:47,950 I never seen him sell drugs or anything like that, but I know that he used drugs. 27 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:49,210 I know that he drank. 28 00:01:50,030 --> 00:01:55,790 So I had the two parents structure in the house, but it was a family where we you 29 00:01:55,791 --> 00:02:02,470 know, we was, we tight, but it was some things that wasn't as, as I would say, 30 00:02:02,590 --> 00:02:03,910 normal family would be. 31 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:14,740 The worst characteristic you can think of black life is where I stemmed from, 32 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:17,660 lot of drugs, tons of violence. 33 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:21,568 Mom's parents, old women, they, they was in the 34 00:02:21,569 --> 00:02:24,261 sex industry and stuff and that's what they did. 35 00:02:26,140 --> 00:02:27,920 We weren't safe in the house. 36 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,520 We were always vulnerable. 37 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:32,600 A lot of men. 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,140 Sleep with my sister, beat me. 39 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:41,540 There was a pattern of abuse that Mike experienced. 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Bullies in the neighborhood, which routinely would pick on him. 41 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:48,000 But also, Mike was beaten by his mother. 42 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,220 His father was pretty much absent. 43 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:52,780 My mother was very promiscuous. 44 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:56,260 It was just the way life was. 45 00:02:57,620 --> 00:03:00,880 Everybody I knew had just their mother at home or their mother's boyfriend. 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Nobody was ever his father. 47 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,420 I don't know that well. 48 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:07,520 My whole world is just lost kids with broken homes. 49 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:10,240 You know, forget poverty. 50 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:12,280 I don't care how much money you get or fame. 51 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,160 Forget that. 52 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:17,900 Poverty hurts and leaves an everlasting impression on you. 53 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:25,550 Poverty has its own self-perpetuating logic. 54 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:31,330 When you are strapped for cash, and you need to survive in the short term, 55 00:03:31,450 --> 00:03:36,710 you start to adopt certain practices that in the long term end up preventing you 56 00:03:36,711 --> 00:03:37,946 from taking advantage of all the 57 00:03:37,958 --> 00:03:39,750 opportunities that may be out there for you. 58 00:03:40,490 --> 00:03:43,270 We came to an era where it really got a little worse. 59 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:45,570 Where nobody had anything. 60 00:03:46,830 --> 00:03:48,710 You couldn't tease me about my mother being 61 00:03:48,711 --> 00:03:51,511 on welfare because your mother was on welfare. 62 00:03:52,050 --> 00:03:55,570 Childhood poverty often leads to adult poverty and you get locked in these ruts. 63 00:03:56,510 --> 00:03:58,795 So not only are there these worse environments, 64 00:03:58,796 --> 00:04:01,411 but they find it much harder to escape. 65 00:04:01,550 --> 00:04:05,930 All these ills work together to create very strong barriers to upward mobility. 66 00:04:06,090 --> 00:04:08,570 And very hard to still believe the American Dream is out there. 67 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:11,731 The American Dream is something that we're all proud 68 00:04:11,732 --> 00:04:14,411 of, we all embrace, yet it's a little bit dangerous. 69 00:04:14,730 --> 00:04:19,450 America may be one of the richest countries in the world, but we also have 70 00:04:19,451 --> 00:04:22,810 the largest pockets of poverty in the developed countries. 71 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:27,170 One in five children in the United States grows up in poverty. 72 00:04:27,690 --> 00:04:31,288 America has, by far, the most unequal distribution 73 00:04:31,289 --> 00:04:33,870 of income and wealth in the developed world. 74 00:04:34,010 --> 00:04:37,233 Yet, the idea of the American Dream is, in a 75 00:04:37,234 --> 00:04:40,971 sense, what keeps the whole system running. 76 00:04:42,890 --> 00:04:46,122 I know what it is when people move away from you because 77 00:04:46,123 --> 00:04:48,610 they think that they're going to catch what you got. 78 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:51,670 They think they're going to get poor if they get to know you. 79 00:04:53,010 --> 00:04:55,170 I was just always searching for something. 80 00:04:55,171 --> 00:04:58,710 I didn't like my life at home, so I wanted to have a family somewhere else. 81 00:04:58,711 --> 00:05:00,010 I tried to find a new family. 82 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:04,950 People that I hung around was in the same situation that I was in. 83 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:08,123 You went on like you was going to school, but in 84 00:05:08,143 --> 00:05:11,110 reality, we was in the area, but not in the classroom. 85 00:05:11,650 --> 00:05:15,890 We stayed around the school, but not actually in the school. 86 00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:21,531 And eventually, people do find out, but after a while, you get lost in the system. 87 00:05:22,270 --> 00:05:25,630 When I went to school, they said we wasn't going to be anything. 88 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:27,470 They said we were going to be statistics. 89 00:05:27,770 --> 00:05:28,770 You're not articulate. 90 00:05:29,010 --> 00:05:31,450 You don't know your ABCs, your little simple stuff. 91 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:34,590 My momma always say, so they read better than you. 92 00:05:34,810 --> 00:05:36,590 Who the fastest in your school? 93 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:39,210 I said, fastest in what? 94 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:40,450 She said running. 95 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:41,650 Who run the fastest? 96 00:05:42,850 --> 00:05:44,030 I ran to everybody. 97 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:46,566 My momma, there's things that you do better than that person. 98 00:05:46,590 --> 00:05:48,390 I said, but momma, they don't talk about that. 99 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:50,670 Your day will come. 100 00:05:50,671 --> 00:05:54,870 My goal wasn't to be the President of the United States. 101 00:05:55,070 --> 00:06:00,590 My goal was to be the baddest guy that I can be. 102 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:06,350 We just basically looked at school as being no fun, no action. 103 00:06:06,610 --> 00:06:11,610 And if you do catch us there, this gym where we get to play basketball, 104 00:06:11,770 --> 00:06:14,157 we get to do things that we thought that was more important 105 00:06:14,158 --> 00:06:16,950 than reading and writing, and science and history. 106 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:21,910 I stopped going to school because people were kicking my ass. 107 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:23,943 And I just walked around the school until school 108 00:06:23,944 --> 00:06:26,391 was over because I didn't want to get my ass kicked. 109 00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:29,670 One day these guys came around, three or four guys. 110 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:32,850 They pinned me up against the wall and they said, hey, yo, got any money? 111 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:33,350 I said, no. 112 00:06:33,645 --> 00:06:36,990 So the guy says this, he says, do you want to fly with us? 113 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:38,510 And I didn't know him. 114 00:06:38,511 --> 00:06:39,511 He's a kid, 10 or 9. 115 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:40,650 I said, okay. 116 00:06:40,790 --> 00:06:42,750 So I'm helping these guys to this building. 117 00:06:42,751 --> 00:06:44,026 This is like an abandoned building. 118 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:46,670 And I see a box and it's pigeons and pigeons are flying. 119 00:06:46,770 --> 00:06:47,770 I said, what the hell? 120 00:06:48,210 --> 00:06:51,010 Now I know it's a place to hang out with birds and these guys. 121 00:06:51,630 --> 00:06:54,430 So I said, okay, I'd rather be there than be in school and get bullied. 122 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:55,950 So I went back to the coop. 123 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:58,090 I said, didn't need me to do anything for you. 124 00:06:58,190 --> 00:06:59,190 I said, yeah. 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,470 And he took me robbing houses. 126 00:07:03,450 --> 00:07:04,750 And, um, whoa. 127 00:07:06,245 --> 00:07:08,090 And, um, he didn't give me much money. 128 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:11,310 But he bought me clothes. 129 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Yeah. 130 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,340 He bought me clothes. 131 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:24,960 There are a number of reasons, I think, why he kind of embraced the thug life. 132 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:29,500 One of which is if you have a community of people who are watching your back, 133 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:31,180 then you're going to be protected. 134 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:35,580 And now he's buying the coolest velour sweatsuits. 135 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,020 And he's buying ski goggles, even though he's never been anywhere near a ski slope. 136 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:41,140 And he's buying the greatest kicks. 137 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:47,320 So now, you know, status in that environment is who looks the coolest. 138 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:51,180 The role models that I seen was the people in the street. 139 00:07:51,260 --> 00:07:53,340 The pimps, the number riders, the hustlers. 140 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:56,185 They had the cars, they had the jewelry, they 141 00:07:56,186 --> 00:07:59,361 had all the things that shines in your face. 142 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,470 As you grow up and you grow up fast, you 143 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:05,601 get to know what they're doing is not right. 144 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,766 But got them a lot of things and made them live different 145 00:08:10,767 --> 00:08:13,820 or better than every working class person in the streets. 146 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,400 That's the situation for a lot of young people out there. 147 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,949 You know, they can step off the porch with all the values 148 00:08:20,950 --> 00:08:23,421 in the world that mom gave them and dad can give them. 149 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:27,160 When they step off that porch into that den, they got to deal with it accordingly. 150 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,056 You can go out there and turn the other cheek if you want to. 151 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,856 All they're going to do is hit you in the head and take that earring too. 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,120 So you had to adapt. 153 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:38,540 Those that adapt well become predators out there themselves. 154 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,760 To me, it wasn't a hard choice. 155 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:47,580 I was the type of guy that had no conscience of value of my life. 156 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,160 And repercussions of what I do. 157 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:56,780 When you think that the value of your life is not that much concern on your actions, 158 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,180 then that is a time bomb waiting to blow. 159 00:09:01,460 --> 00:09:02,460 Ain't no rules. 160 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,400 You don't get disqualified for busting a nigga over the head with something. 161 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:08,948 When you get hurt badly, either your fear 162 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:11,921 consumes you or you become a bit insensitive. 163 00:09:12,660 --> 00:09:14,429 Either you're going to be a punk or you're going 164 00:09:14,430 --> 00:09:16,921 to start to harden up a little bit following that. 165 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,487 When you find yourself, you make it clear to 166 00:09:18,488 --> 00:09:20,781 people that you don't have a problem with it. 167 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:24,300 As a matter of fact, make them feel like you want this shit. 168 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:29,920 In an environment that I grew up in, which was animal, which was survival of 169 00:09:29,921 --> 00:09:33,560 the fittest, which was do or die, you have to be strategic. 170 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:37,820 Very few of us grow up in fear because we live in this. 171 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:39,940 And we're told early we can't be afraid of it. 172 00:09:40,140 --> 00:09:45,100 Whenever we're confronted with an obstacle in the streets of a physical nature, 173 00:09:45,101 --> 00:09:49,680 the first thing we think of is how to dissect the obstacle. 174 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:06,801 My dream started off when a coach told me I 175 00:10:06,802 --> 00:10:10,160 could be the heavyweight champion of the world. 176 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:11,500 And I asked him, what was it? 177 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,360 And he said, Muhammad Ali. 178 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:16,380 He said, do you know Muhammad Ali? 179 00:10:16,381 --> 00:10:17,381 I said, yeah. 180 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:19,880 And he said, you can be just like that. 181 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,520 My first goal was to be the boys club champ. 182 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:30,493 I wanted to be great because I already know how 183 00:10:30,494 --> 00:10:33,660 it feels not to be great because I grew up at it. 184 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:38,760 In one fight, I became the boys club champ. 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,420 Every year, I would win a tournament. 186 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,120 Boxing is interesting. 187 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:49,534 In that it's an escape from the violence and 188 00:10:49,535 --> 00:10:51,740 the poverty of many American neighborhoods. 189 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,940 But you're escaping through violence itself. 190 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,040 People who fight, fight their way out of something. 191 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Whether it's poverty, whether it's jail. 192 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:00,400 Rich kids don't fight. 193 00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:01,980 Why the fuck would a rich kid fight? 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,540 You know, poor kids fight. 195 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:06,600 You want to fight your way to a different place. 196 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Boxing gives you a chance to literally fight your way through it. 197 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:12,860 Boxers succeed based on their own work. 198 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:15,961 If you keep winning and you keep succeeding, chances 199 00:11:15,962 --> 00:11:18,161 are eventually you're going to get an opportunity. 200 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Boxing is the ultimate representation of the American dream. 201 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:27,400 It allows someone who came from nothing to achieve greatness. 202 00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:31,860 It's about his talent, his own skill, and his own determination. 203 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:34,360 Boxing is such a special sport. 204 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,120 I think most people don't choose boxing. 205 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,360 I think boxing chooses them. 206 00:11:37,460 --> 00:11:41,540 You know, disadvantaged childhood, less fortunate kids in tough communities. 207 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,440 And, you know, we grew up boxing at the boys club. 208 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:48,016 We were able to go there and, you know, we had somebody who cared about us, 209 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,356 wanted to take us off the streets and give us something to do. 210 00:11:50,380 --> 00:11:55,020 If you look at the history of boxing over time, you will see some of the cultures 211 00:11:55,021 --> 00:11:56,777 and ethnicities that have suffered the most 212 00:11:56,778 --> 00:11:59,481 have always produced the greatest champions. 213 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:05,220 Boxing both attracts and preys upon talent from disadvantaged communities. 214 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,920 And it's almost like you can read a chart of history of disadvantage, in the United 215 00:12:09,921 --> 00:12:13,960 States at least, of which groups are struggling to make it and then which 216 00:12:13,961 --> 00:12:16,760 groups have made it, when they disappear really from the boxing scene. 217 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:21,520 Especially in America where you had the immigrants, you had the Jewish boxers, 218 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:25,960 the Irish boxers, the Italian American boxers, African American boxers. 219 00:12:25,961 --> 00:12:28,480 Now it's, I would say, predominately Hispanic boxers now. 220 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:33,103 There's a certain generation with Mike and Evander and Bernard, 221 00:12:33,104 --> 00:12:38,080 black kids who were disadvantaged and saw boxing as a way out. 222 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:44,300 I lived in an all black neighborhood and everybody said white boys couldn't fight. 223 00:12:45,540 --> 00:12:49,386 And that's my first time experiencing that people tell 224 00:12:49,387 --> 00:12:52,600 you lies because that kid was white and he beat me twice. 225 00:12:54,020 --> 00:12:55,820 I told the coach that I quit. 226 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,567 I told him I didn't want to fight no more because I 227 00:12:58,568 --> 00:13:00,880 didn't think you could actually be a champion if you lost. 228 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,760 So I went home and told my mom I lost and I told her I quit. 229 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,220 And she told me something that just had to impact my life even now. 230 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,100 She's a son. 231 00:13:14,101 --> 00:13:16,600 Everything is not going to always go your way. 232 00:13:17,740 --> 00:13:19,880 If you quit, you'll never reach your destination. 233 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,760 She said, what is your destination? 234 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,420 I said, be the heavyweight champion of the world. 235 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,260 Of course, I went back and I finally beat him. 236 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:34,740 And that fight kind of changed my whole aspect about winning. 237 00:13:38,980 --> 00:13:40,740 I kept getting in trouble with the law. 238 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,500 One particular time I got in trouble and I went upstate New York. 239 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,440 I had a reputation as a troublemaker there. 240 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,560 I had to be locked down most of the time. 241 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:53,540 You couldn't go outside with the rest of the kids. 242 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:56,780 Weekends, I would see guys going the other side. 243 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,296 And I would say, what's going on? 244 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,240 Because I would see guys coming back, swollen eyes, busted nose, busted lips. 245 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,140 The most interesting thing about it is that they were happy. 246 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,880 When they would come back, they're all beat up, but they're happy. 247 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:10,780 And I would say, what's going on over there? 248 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,380 And they said, Mr. Stewart is boxing with the inmate. 249 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:19,060 Mr. Stewart is probably 160 pounds, white, Irish guy. 250 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,460 I never fought before with gloves on in my life. 251 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,616 I didn't know I could beat Mr. Stewart, this white ass. 252 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,880 I didn't know I could beat him. 253 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:27,000 I'm just flaring away. 254 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,600 And he hit me in my stomach and I went down. 255 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:33,600 And I started throwing up everything I ate for two days. 256 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,360 I was just, wah. 257 00:14:34,660 --> 00:14:36,500 So I actually started teaching me. 258 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,760 He wouldn't teach me unless I started behaving around the facilities. 259 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:44,420 And once I made my honor roll, I started doing one of those schoolies. 260 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:45,916 And he started teaching me how to box. 261 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:48,520 Bobby Stewart immediately saw the potential in Mike. 262 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:51,044 And Bobby said, if you're serious about this, 263 00:14:51,045 --> 00:14:54,201 I'll take you to see this old guy in Catskill. 264 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:58,580 As soon as Cus DeMata saw me spar, he was planning my life out for me. 265 00:14:58,980 --> 00:15:00,140 First day he met me. 266 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Cus was the kind of gruff guy. 267 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,180 Didn't display any emotion. 268 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,663 At the end of that session, Cus turned to Bobby and said, this 269 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:12,181 guy's going to be the future heavyweight champ of the world. 270 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:16,420 At that time, I didn't know. 271 00:15:16,421 --> 00:15:18,940 I was about to be paroled back to New York. 272 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:20,485 And he didn't want me to go back because he 273 00:15:20,509 --> 00:15:22,380 believed I would get in trouble, like get killed. 274 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,740 He asked me would I be interested in staying with him. 275 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,760 And I said, why? 276 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:26,860 Sure. 277 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:29,466 I didn't want to go back to that disgusting, 278 00:15:29,478 --> 00:15:31,381 wretched tenement that we lived in. 279 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,040 This guy had wonderful, like, 14-room mansions. 280 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,620 Roads and that stuff. 281 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:38,700 I never saw that stuff. 282 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,740 For the beginning of that period, Mike was still living in two worlds. 283 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:47,725 While he was in Brownsville, he'd fall in with his 284 00:15:47,726 --> 00:15:50,261 old friends and they'd go out and start jostling. 285 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Mike's first street mentor, this guy, Barkeem. 286 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,860 I think they saw some pictures of Mike, you know, with Cus and with Camille. 287 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:00,397 And they looked and they said, man, Mike, these 288 00:16:00,477 --> 00:16:02,240 white people, it looks like they love you. 289 00:16:02,660 --> 00:16:04,880 And Mike said, yeah, yeah, they love me. 290 00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:07,620 And he goes, Barkeem says, what are you doing here, man? 291 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:11,000 If I had white people that love me, I wouldn't stick around here. 292 00:16:11,260 --> 00:16:14,920 And everybody in the neighborhood is telling Mike, go, get out of here. 293 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:18,003 At least 30% of all the families in 294 00:16:18,015 --> 00:16:21,581 Brownsville at that time had no father figures. 295 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,335 I think when we look at boxing, we see a number 296 00:16:25,336 --> 00:16:28,980 of men who grew up without a father in the home. 297 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:31,860 But what's key is they grew up in 298 00:16:31,872 --> 00:16:35,461 circumstances where the family was redefined. 299 00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:40,020 The trainers became part of this larger extended family. 300 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,320 Cus would tell Mike that he was a colossus. 301 00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:44,460 He was a titan. 302 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:47,782 And he's telling him this and building up his ego 303 00:16:47,783 --> 00:16:50,921 to a person who has absolutely no self-esteem. 304 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:52,900 So it's a very tricky situation. 305 00:16:55,270 --> 00:16:58,096 I heard about this heavyweight that they were saying this guy is dangerous. 306 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,560 He's from Customato's camp. 307 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,160 And he was trained by Kevin Rooney. 308 00:17:01,425 --> 00:17:05,700 When I finally seen him, I was like, man, you know, he was like, he was going 309 00:17:05,701 --> 00:17:08,780 through fighters like a hot knife on butter. 310 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:11,820 No! 311 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:13,820 When I saw him, I knew he was special. 312 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:23,292 North Philly was known for a lot of fighters 313 00:17:23,304 --> 00:17:25,841 back in the 60s, 70s, and in the 80s. 314 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,860 I got introduced to the amateurs. 315 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,220 And I had the talent. 316 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:31,340 I had the skills. 317 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:33,759 But then as time went on, eventually I 318 00:17:33,771 --> 00:17:36,300 started getting respect as a street fighter. 319 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:38,500 And I shot away from boxing. 320 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:44,720 Every time I got stabbed, which was more than once, crazy as it might seem, 321 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,080 it gave more stock to who you are. 322 00:17:59,020 --> 00:18:03,420 In 1984, I was put in jail for taking money. 323 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,920 At that time, I blamed the system for everything, even for my ignorance. 324 00:18:09,660 --> 00:18:12,540 That same year, my brother got in a fight. 325 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:13,960 And a guy pulled a gun out. 326 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,180 He tried to run. 327 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:15,860 He got shot. 328 00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:18,320 They couldn't find him because he ran down the street. 329 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,780 And when they found him, he was laying across the street. 330 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Across the grass. 331 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,600 So can you imagine my mom? 332 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:25,540 It had to be hard on her to bury one son. 333 00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:31,233 And then get to see me being escorted by the sheriff's department 334 00:18:31,234 --> 00:18:34,860 from prison to view the body and then go back to prison. 335 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,280 So basically, she lost two sons. 336 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:42,180 So 1984 was a really challenging year. 337 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,140 In 1984, Mike and myself, we were both trying to make the Olympic team. 338 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,366 There was a big emphasis placed back then, especially on the 339 00:18:58,367 --> 00:19:01,960 idea of your amateur experience and this Olympic experience. 340 00:19:02,260 --> 00:19:06,620 It was very much a place where your worth was going to be determined. 341 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,920 Holyfield and Tyson got an early taste of what the other was about at the Olympics. 342 00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:15,580 That's when I got a chance to see him train. 343 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,220 I'm one of the guys who kind of pride myself in working hard. 344 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,813 And when I work in the gym, I'm with him and 345 00:19:21,814 --> 00:19:25,461 I'd seen all the things that he would do. 346 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,540 I was just amazed. 347 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,380 I was like, God, you know, shoot. 348 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,480 17 years old, he's just a kid, man. 349 00:19:34,060 --> 00:19:37,800 He's the only person in the gym that I could admit that I worked with. 350 00:19:38,660 --> 00:19:40,440 I didn't think nobody was going to beat him. 351 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,660 Mike unfortunately lost to a guy named Henry Tillman. 352 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,760 Didn't make the Olympic team. 353 00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:49,460 He was voted as an alternate. 354 00:19:50,530 --> 00:19:51,796 You know, I went to Olympic trials. 355 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:52,620 I didn't make the Olympics. 356 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,160 But the experience of going to the Olympics was just incredible. 357 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,180 Evander Holyfield, he was just very competitive in the Olympics. 358 00:20:00,260 --> 00:20:01,260 He was just very hungry. 359 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,420 Very hungry fighter. 360 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:04,700 And he fought just my man, me. 361 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,556 He was going to win the most outstanding fight, I thought. 362 00:20:08,580 --> 00:20:09,716 Because he was knocking out everybody. 363 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:11,340 He was beating everybody easily. 364 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Evander Holyfield, United States of America. 365 00:20:15,940 --> 00:20:17,520 Kevin Barry, New Zealand. 366 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:20,000 Holyfield came into the competition. 367 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:21,680 The unknown American. 368 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,660 But he's known now. 369 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,860 And he's only 21 years old. 370 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:27,600 Look at Holyfield. 371 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:28,320 He's ready. 372 00:20:28,420 --> 00:20:29,740 He's got the opponent hurt again. 373 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:30,980 He's ready to put him away. 374 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,800 Even though there's no blood. 375 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:35,520 Oh, there it goes. 376 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:36,940 You saw that. 377 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,120 It was in. 378 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,900 Evander launches a lethal hook that drops Barry. 379 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:47,860 And everybody thinks, okay, fight's over. 380 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,360 Move on. 381 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:53,560 All of a sudden, the referee starts motioning to the judge. 382 00:20:53,561 --> 00:20:56,200 He starts motioning to Evander. 383 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,680 And nobody knows exactly what's going on. 384 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:02,240 He is going to disqualify Evander Holyfield. 385 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,927 He makes the announcement that Evander is 386 00:21:07,928 --> 00:21:12,301 disqualified for hitting after he calls stop. 387 00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,500 Nobody really heard the referee say stop. 388 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,620 All they saw was Evander drop the guy. 389 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,080 Holyfield got screwed royally. 390 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:22,520 He shouldn't have been disqualified against Barry. 391 00:21:22,521 --> 00:21:23,620 That was a joke. 392 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:26,360 Holyfield in total command of the fight. 393 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:30,820 And I just don't understand this rule. 394 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,500 Look at Holyfield's face. 395 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,980 What an untoward development. 396 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:40,240 Very conscious. 397 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:42,260 Controlling. 398 00:21:42,620 --> 00:21:43,700 Controlling the anger. 399 00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:45,260 Controlling the tongue. 400 00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:47,340 I sit there and tuck it. 401 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,760 Howard Cosell made me bigger than life. 402 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:51,080 This is unbelievable. 403 00:21:51,980 --> 00:21:53,900 Holyfield holding himself together. 404 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,900 A raging controversy had reared its ugly head. 405 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,006 Bill Simon, the president of the Los Angeles 406 00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:00,740 Olympic Committee, has gotten involved. 407 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,760 It really is a full-blown controversy. 408 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,120 He wanted that gold medal. 409 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:11,480 But by responding to it the way he did, not complaining, showing a lot of grace, 410 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:17,490 he probably emerged from that Olympics as the most well-known 411 00:22:17,491 --> 00:22:20,561 of all those boxers, even the ones that had won the gold medal. 412 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,550 That became his launching pad, was the Olympics, 413 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:28,180 while Mike had to begin his pro career in obscurity. 414 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,660 Cuss got me into thinking about the great fighters, and every time I failed, 415 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,480 I'd go read about their failures and how they overcame their failures. 416 00:22:38,580 --> 00:22:40,788 Mike had a very high skill set, and he had a 417 00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:43,600 profound understanding of boxing and boxing history. 418 00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:45,160 And that's what made him special. 419 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:48,020 When he wanted to know something, he'd sit there and watch. 420 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:50,867 Numerous fights of guys from the 50s and 40s 421 00:22:50,868 --> 00:22:53,561 and 30s, he's like a boxing encyclopedia. 422 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:57,640 What's the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter? 423 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,480 It's how far they're willing to go and how much they're willing to endure. 424 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:03,336 It's the hunger for the world. 425 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:04,560 You want to be their champion. 426 00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:07,388 Once you get to know Mike, you know he was a very 427 00:23:07,389 --> 00:23:09,781 insecure human being, a very insecure fighter. 428 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:13,889 So a lot of that tough guy image and a lot of the talk and 429 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:17,020 the brashness was basically to hide his own insecurities. 430 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:20,560 Every time he went in the ring, he was scared. 431 00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:23,090 It wasn't like he just knew he was going to win. 432 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,960 But Mike also knew when he looked in that opponent's eye, he'd seen fear. 433 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,800 As I was fighting, I realized these guys were more afraid of me than I was of them. 434 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,740 And that's when my whole game started changing as far as my approach to fighting. 435 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:40,200 Left hand almost drove Richardson right through the canvas. 436 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,920 I did all those early fights on ESPN and he 437 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:45,320 knocked everybody out in the first or second round. 438 00:23:45,420 --> 00:23:46,820 So you looked at it and said, wow. 439 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:49,860 Anybody that wants to stay in the business for a long period of time like myself, 440 00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:51,732 I plan on staying in the box and I would like to box 441 00:23:51,733 --> 00:23:53,801 for at least a good 20 years because I love the game. 442 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:54,740 You took care of business tonight. 443 00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:55,620 Congratulations, Mike. 444 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,020 Thank you very much. 445 00:23:56,340 --> 00:24:00,560 I study every fight that might unfold and tell everybody, be quiet. 446 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:01,860 I'm watching. 447 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:04,627 You know, my whole thing, I realized that was going 448 00:24:04,628 --> 00:24:07,540 to be the toughest fight in my life if it happened. 449 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,420 This is the guy that I got to face one day. 450 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,420 In prison, you have a lot of energy that's bottled up. 451 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,140 From one way or the other, love it or don't love it, agree to disagree, 452 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:35,280 it has to be released. 453 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,558 After getting a few fights, I built a reputation 454 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:41,921 on the block like I was building on the streets. 455 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:45,800 I was known, don't fight me, you got to stab me. 456 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,720 At home, you can hide. 457 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:55,740 But in those institutions, you have to see these people. 458 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,040 Every day you wake up. 459 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:04,140 Someone is plotting for that vulnerability. 460 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,840 You got to meet your fears every day. 461 00:25:09,260 --> 00:25:12,228 Things going through my head was that I'll be dead before I'm 462 00:25:12,229 --> 00:25:15,060 18 or I'll be in prison all my life or that I'll be nothing. 463 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:20,497 As I got more mature in jail and I started watching other people, 464 00:25:20,498 --> 00:25:23,241 I started saying to myself, what's wrong with this situation? 465 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,880 I had to stop being a nigger. 466 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,240 I started doing research. 467 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 I've seen something to me that really woke me up. 468 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,420 Prison is a business. 469 00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:46,430 It's $50,000, it's $60,000 a year for one inmate. 470 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:57,290 How can I keep myself from being an employee of this business? 471 00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,650 Oftentimes, the real problem with prison is the stultifying boredom. 472 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:06,150 There's mountains of evidence that, you know, the supermax prisons where 473 00:26:06,151 --> 00:26:08,210 you're in a cell by yourself 23 hours a day. 474 00:26:08,211 --> 00:26:09,611 They literally drive people insane. 475 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:13,170 The people who leave are substantially mentally harmed by the experience. 476 00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:15,910 It's just not what we as humans are designed to handle. 477 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:19,950 Having that thing that gives you something to do, to hold on to, can be a very 478 00:26:19,951 --> 00:26:24,170 powerful means of sort of getting yourself through the mind-numbing tedium. 479 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,870 They had a little gym with a ring, with gloves, with sparring. 480 00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:38,620 And Smokey Wilson, aka Michael Wilson, continued to say, Come on to the gym, man. 481 00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:41,266 Come on to the gym, it's tough fighting the block. 482 00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:42,627 You're either going to go on a hold or 483 00:26:42,639 --> 00:26:44,230 you're going to get stabbed or this and that. 484 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,270 So, hey, man, all right, yeah, I'll go to the gym. 485 00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:50,330 And I sparred with one of the known, respected guys. 486 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:58,790 I didn't knock him out, but I gave him a boxing lesson. 487 00:26:59,710 --> 00:27:01,650 And Smokey Wilson became my trainer. 488 00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:06,444 I got a chance to get back into what I've deviated 489 00:27:06,445 --> 00:27:09,950 from and used it to my advantage in the penitentiary. 490 00:27:10,110 --> 00:27:14,630 It came to a thing where now, in prison, you bet on each other. 491 00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:19,290 And I'm getting this reputation because now the block, the jail is buzzing. 492 00:27:20,290 --> 00:27:25,470 I became the celebrity boxer in a penitentiary. 493 00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:28,808 The boxing program was established in 38 494 00:27:28,809 --> 00:27:32,511 penitentiaries from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh. 495 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:38,570 And so we had boxing tournaments in jail. 496 00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:47,750 And Hill, Rockford, Dallas, Grated Ford, Smithville, Frackville, we on buses. 497 00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:52,470 Escorted by guards with shotguns from one prison to another. 498 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:56,970 I'm beating everybody in every penitentiary. 499 00:27:57,010 --> 00:28:01,630 And I become the middleweight state penitentiary champion. 500 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,810 I fell back in love with boxing again. 501 00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:15,770 Boxing is the sport in which all others aspire to be. 502 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:18,912 It's you and another guy and who wants it more 503 00:28:18,913 --> 00:28:20,930 and who's got the heart and the will and desire. 504 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:23,070 But it comes down to a lot more than that. 505 00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:26,630 Best combat is man against man. 506 00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,210 I mean, since Roman times, the gladiators. 507 00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:32,250 It's human nature for people to compete against each other. 508 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,790 Sometimes I feel so guilty I'm a boxing fan. 509 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:40,450 I know on one level I'm not supposed to really be enjoying what I'm watching. 510 00:28:40,451 --> 00:28:43,510 And yet on another, I can't control myself. 511 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:45,650 We're violent. 512 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:46,090 We're animals. 513 00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:47,710 Like any other animal. 514 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:50,470 There's a release of aggression that comes with fighting. 515 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:52,070 There's a drama to it. 516 00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:53,030 Boxing is theater. 517 00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:55,470 If it's not theater, you're fucking up and presenting it. 518 00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:58,670 To be ringside, you're like, wow, this is amazing. 519 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:03,350 The part for me that stuck was people are literally fighting for their lives. 520 00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:04,930 They're fighting for their families. 521 00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:06,570 That's the thing that attracted me. 522 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:10,430 It's an ancient, brutal, some would say barbaric spirit. 523 00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:17,090 But there's something very interesting about the individuals who choose to try to 524 00:29:17,091 --> 00:29:20,330 perform at that level and risk what they risk in the ring. 525 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:21,730 It's raw. 526 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:27,090 It's something that appeals to our basic instincts of survival or battle. 527 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:29,350 Nobody else is going in there with you. 528 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:30,610 You can't call time out. 529 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:32,170 It's like having a fight of blood. 530 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:34,010 A fighter don't care who his opponent is. 531 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:35,850 He might wait, bring him. 532 00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:37,930 It's a different mentality. 533 00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:39,710 They're a different breed. 534 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:43,354 The fighters know what they have to sacrifice 535 00:29:43,355 --> 00:29:46,271 and give up to try to perfect their game. 536 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:49,390 A fighter learns from walking through the fire. 537 00:29:51,130 --> 00:29:53,645 Dwight Muhammad Kawe and Evander Holyfield 538 00:29:53,646 --> 00:29:56,190 in their WBA Junior Heavyweight title fight. 539 00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,165 Of course, you remember Holyfield with the controversial 540 00:29:59,166 --> 00:30:01,590 bronze medal at the Olympic Games in Los Angeles. 541 00:30:01,690 --> 00:30:03,970 Since then, 11 successful pro bouts. 542 00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:07,430 Is 11 enough going up against someone of the experience of Kawe? 543 00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:10,210 The bell rings and this is round one. 544 00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:13,630 And one of Evander's biggest challenges here is going to be overcoming the 545 00:30:13,631 --> 00:30:16,130 psychological barrier of going 15 rounds for the first time. 546 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,466 Just keeping your hands up for three minutes and moving 547 00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:28,540 around the ring is tremendous exertion physically. 548 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:34,440 But running around for 15 rounds, three minutes a round, throwing punches at 549 00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:37,700 a guy who's trying to hurt you and getting hit while it's all going on. 550 00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:39,510 There's just nothing like it. 551 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,020 Kawe was going for it. 552 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,940 He doesn't want to go 15 rounds. 553 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,940 He's only in round three and he's using so much energy. 554 00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:51,860 Kawe breathing very heavily but he is relying 555 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,540 against the ropes and sliding away. 556 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600 Kawe's slipping an awful lot of those punches out. 557 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:07,780 He missed a bunch 558 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,880 of landed punches of his own. 559 00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:16,300 Saw the smiling shrug. 560 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:18,460 And that is demoralizing to Evander. 561 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,800 He built up some energy for a flurry and he got nothing out of it. 562 00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:24,680 Just watching these two go at it. 563 00:31:24,681 --> 00:31:26,900 But there's no way that I can imagine this one going. 564 00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:35,250 Whatever I hit him with, that guy never stopped coming. 565 00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:40,250 Now we're really going to get to see what kind of shape Evander Holyfield is in. 566 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:42,630 He's only been to eight rounds once in his career. 567 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,270 Evander Holyfield started this fight very fast. 568 00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:47,650 Won the first round in convincing and oppressive fashion. 569 00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,930 But the rounds have gotten closer and closer since then. 570 00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:55,070 Perspiration flying off the face of Holyfield as Kawe gets in. 571 00:31:55,071 --> 00:31:58,690 And he looks a little slower and slower as this fight moves along. 572 00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:03,976 When somebody's breathing on you and they have the 573 00:32:03,977 --> 00:32:06,950 right to hit you just as the right you have to hit them. 574 00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:08,610 It becomes a tougher thing. 575 00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:12,490 A right-left combo to Holyfield. 576 00:32:12,670 --> 00:32:13,730 Holyfield is staggering. 577 00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:18,090 This is just trench warfare and right now Dwight Kawe is winning it. 578 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:20,510 The question is who's going to get their second win first. 579 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:28,370 It's just like somebody putting a mask over your head and put your hand behind 580 00:32:28,371 --> 00:32:30,531 your back and throw you out in the middle of the ocean. 581 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:33,230 That's how tough this fight was. 582 00:32:35,890 --> 00:32:38,270 Round 11 for Evander Holyfield. 583 00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:40,113 He's never gone this far in his 584 00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:42,671 professional career or in his career period. 585 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:46,870 And a big powerful right. 586 00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:50,150 The likes of which we haven't seen from Holyfield in a few rounds. 587 00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:52,931 I'm a little bit surprised that Evander has 588 00:32:52,932 --> 00:32:54,830 been able to hang in there as well as he did. 589 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:57,970 He tired a little bit but he's come back and he's very much in the fight. 590 00:32:58,630 --> 00:33:00,650 Kawe's eyes are blood red. 591 00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:01,990 He has taken numerous shots. 592 00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:03,670 Breathing very very heavily. 593 00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:05,690 Bloody in the mouth. 594 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:07,830 Evander has a tremendous heart. 595 00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:10,190 Al he's got just a burning intensity. 596 00:33:10,510 --> 00:33:14,290 As these two try to chip away and chip away at the stamina of each other. 597 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:17,370 Both men showing unbelievable courage and determination. 598 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:22,550 I lost 15 pounds in that fight. 599 00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:25,550 They were talking about my kidneys were messed up. 600 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:27,590 All I wanted to do is not die. 601 00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:30,050 Holyfield's eyes have that fire. 602 00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:32,330 He is officially a professional fighter. 603 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:33,090 He can go. 604 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:35,390 He's 14 and he will be able to go the 15 rounds. 605 00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:39,430 Like Muhammad Kawe who yesterday called Evander Holyfield mediocre. 606 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:41,930 Would not be saying that to us right now. 607 00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,210 And there's the final pose. 608 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:48,990 I didn't die. 609 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:51,410 I made it to the land. 610 00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:54,730 And then they gave me a bonus by giving me the belt. 611 00:33:54,850 --> 00:33:58,750 For the winner and new junior heavyweight champion of the world. 612 00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:07,540 After that I was a light heavyweight champion. 613 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,800 But my goal, I never forgot my goal was to be the heavyweight champion of the world. 614 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,800 Evander Holyfield started as light heavyweight. 615 00:34:15,925 --> 00:34:20,360 Which is you know kind of like being the vice president of the United States. 616 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,220 It's not, you don't get a lot of attention. 617 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,072 When you talk about boxing for most people 618 00:34:29,073 --> 00:34:31,380 you're talking about the heavyweight division. 619 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,280 The heavyweight champ of the world is an icon. 620 00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,880 This is the main event of the night. 621 00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:40,260 The WBC championship of the world. 622 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:46,500 In the blue corner with 27 wins, no defeats, 25 KOs. 623 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,760 He is the challenger Mike Tyson. 624 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,200 And in the red corner. 625 00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:57,800 He is the WBC heavyweight champion of the world. 626 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Trevor Burbick. 627 00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:05,680 Any questions from the challenger or chief second? 628 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,200 Any questions from the champion or chief second? 629 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:09,100 Alright, let's get it on. 630 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:09,420 Come on. 631 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:11,376 Alright, and with the words of Mills Lane, we're ready. 632 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,721 I don't know about you folks, but here at the 633 00:35:13,722 --> 00:35:15,920 Hilton Hotel there is electricity in the crowd. 634 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,280 Mike Tyson has trained his whole life for this. 635 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,720 And let's watch how quick Tyson will jump on Trevor Burbick. 636 00:35:21,721 --> 00:35:26,040 You get the idea now that Burbick is showing a little false bravado here. 637 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,020 And Tyson clips him with the left hand. 638 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:28,660 Look at that. 639 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:29,340 Combination. 640 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,900 And Burbick ready to go. 641 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,280 But he stays on his feet. 642 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,520 Another right hand. 643 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,780 Five and six and seven and eight. 644 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,080 And he says he's okay. 645 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:46,740 Mills Lane lets him continue. 646 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,220 Here comes Tyson again. 647 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:49,700 He knows he can hurt him any time. 648 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,800 That was 649 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:18,680 the most exciting moment of my life. 650 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,520 People pat me on the back and say, wow, you're great. 651 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,200 I've never seen anybody like you before. 652 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280 Incredible. 653 00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:27,000 How am I going to articulate this? 654 00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,560 It's all I dreamed about. 655 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,160 Being a champion and stuff. 656 00:36:31,460 --> 00:36:33,160 This is very serious since I was 13. 657 00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:36,176 This isn't being like, hey, we're going to box and get some trophies, guys. 658 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,400 No. 659 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,020 Our purpose is to win and win in spectacular fashion. 660 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,280 I got so much trouble on my mind. 661 00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,760 Refuse to lose. 662 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,360 Here's your ticket. 663 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,560 Cause the drama get wicked. 664 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,100 Mike did something special. 665 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,820 He convinced me that no man on the planet could beat me. 666 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,020 You get up, go to the bathroom, come back to fight over me. 667 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,840 Mike got a bad rap in the sense that people concentrated on intimidation. 668 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,540 The only way you're intimidated is because you've seen him do something. 669 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,823 When you see somebody knock out 22 other people, 670 00:37:07,824 --> 00:37:10,020 yeah, the 23rd guy may be a little intimidating. 671 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,680 He was an unstoppable force of nature. 672 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:17,460 I mean, I still in my head have visions of Welcome to the Terror Dome being played 673 00:37:17,461 --> 00:37:20,280 where Tyson was walking into the ring twitching with no socks on. 674 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:23,820 And the guy standing in the ring looked like he was shitting his pants. 675 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,400 Well, welcome to the Terror Dome. 676 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,323 Don King told him every time that you knock somebody 677 00:37:28,423 --> 00:37:31,060 out in the first round, I give you $100,000 in cash. 678 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,100 And he's down again. 679 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,660 He's not going to make it. 680 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:35,800 It's all over. 681 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:39,420 First big fight I went to was the Tyson fight. 682 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,820 And there was nothing more exciting than that. 683 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:43,030 He put on a show. 684 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,760 When the lights came on, Mike just knew this is my moment. 685 00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:48,460 Everybody's watching me right now. 686 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,860 It was crazy in there. 687 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,480 Just great energy, unbelievable energy. 688 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,296 Every time we get home, Mike said, well, who came? 689 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,820 How did they lose? 690 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,700 He looked like he just wanted to know, like, what was the crowd like? 691 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,880 And it's hard to explain it to him. 692 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,010 You see Eddie Murphy. 693 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,120 You see Donald Trump. 694 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,800 You see so many big people in the audience. 695 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200 Like, if you was in that front three or four rows, you was somebody. 696 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,620 Tyson was superhuman. 697 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,480 He represented our culture. 698 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,680 He represented who we were. 699 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:14,920 Mike Tyson was a phenom. 700 00:38:15,020 --> 00:38:16,060 Everybody heard about him. 701 00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:19,380 Mike Tyson represents in the community the American dream. 702 00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:21,640 Anybody can make it if they have the determination. 703 00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:25,360 Cuts put me in a mindset that there's no room for everybody. 704 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,960 I need to suck all the air. 705 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,100 I need to reign with God. 706 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,540 Do you ever stop to think about money? 707 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:32,900 The stage of thinking about money is far gone. 708 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,576 I don't have to worry about that no more. 709 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,600 I'm just having fun. 710 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,560 They were able to sell Mike Tyson very effectively. 711 00:38:39,995 --> 00:38:42,600 He delivered, of course, because he scored all these knockouts. 712 00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:44,860 And you got this feeling of caged fury. 713 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440 In our era, what would box have been without Mike Tyson? 714 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,120 Could you say it would have been the next society? 715 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:56,180 After Ali, people stopped liking boxing. 716 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200 It don't bother me to say that I was in the right time. 717 00:39:01,455 --> 00:39:06,160 With Tyson, that's when the fire came back in the game of boxing. 718 00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:14,620 When Tyson came in the game, boxing became one of the most popular, if not the most 719 00:39:14,621 --> 00:39:17,020 popular sport outside the walls of Greater Ford. 720 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,300 We used to watch fights on ABC. 721 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,620 We used to watch fights on ESPN. 722 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,480 Alexis Ogueiro and the fighters, it was hot. 723 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:29,060 And I'm like, yo, I can beat these guys. 724 00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:45,050 For myself to come out and be paroled to a halfway house, I said to myself, 725 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,230 I gotta make boxing work. 726 00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:53,070 I knew that this is the only thing that I had to gamble on. 727 00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:59,830 Most guys go back when you're in that situation. 728 00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:03,450 When they lock you up when you're like 17, and you get out when you're like 23, 729 00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:05,450 24, now you're thrown into the adult world. 730 00:40:06,490 --> 00:40:09,450 With no job skills, nothing but a record on your back. 731 00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:14,110 Plus, the little guy you seen on your block, he comes past you in a brand new 732 00:40:14,111 --> 00:40:17,310 car, with a gold chain big enough for you to see your reflection in. 733 00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:18,830 That's hard to deal with. 734 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:22,650 When you go away, if you come back into the same environment, around the same 735 00:40:22,651 --> 00:40:25,570 circumstances, around the same people that you're comfortable making new friends 736 00:40:25,571 --> 00:40:28,086 with, and these decisions around, you have influences 737 00:40:28,087 --> 00:40:30,990 that make things easy for you to be in a bad situation. 738 00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:33,050 Temptation is great. 739 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:36,610 It's the same if you try not to be involved with drugs. 740 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:41,650 Because of its low price, crack permeates the country, especially the inner cities. 741 00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:47,650 When the crack era came into and flooded the streets, it was just hard to say no. 742 00:40:48,350 --> 00:40:51,090 The crack era affected everybody. 743 00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:55,350 If you lived in an area where they sold it, you were going to be involved. 744 00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,990 You're looking at your environment and no one's helping you. 745 00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:59,050 No one's doing anything. 746 00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:02,566 Just feeding you to drugs, feeding you to alcohol, feeding you to negative comments. 747 00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:04,910 They're doing exactly what was done to you as a child. 748 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:07,370 So you have to shift and change your environment. 749 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,210 Do something. 750 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:09,330 Change something. 751 00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:12,303 For Bernard, not violate parole during that era, 752 00:41:12,304 --> 00:41:15,050 during that time, it was the most impressive to me. 753 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,510 He dealt with it. 754 00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:17,570 He came home. 755 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:18,990 He was able to move forward. 756 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:21,410 He realized it wasn't the life for him. 757 00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:22,750 He was going to make sure it wouldn't happen to him. 758 00:41:22,751 --> 00:41:25,330 How can I beat the system? 759 00:41:26,970 --> 00:41:27,970 I fought. 760 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:28,670 I worked. 761 00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:29,790 I worked in the kitchen. 762 00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:31,550 I worked on landscaping. 763 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:33,310 I did roofing. 764 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:35,370 I found some new people. 765 00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:39,150 Those new people got me into boxing as far as the business side. 766 00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:46,910 I was the only fighter to my knowledge to take a team of trainers and go to 767 00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:55,210 Graterford and train and use that environment to remind me where I came from. 768 00:41:56,870 --> 00:42:01,010 I think it speaks volumes about Bernard and how he looks at life. 769 00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:06,121 That he went back to prison with his team to look at the 770 00:42:06,122 --> 00:42:10,770 situation and know this is what I do not want to fall back into. 771 00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:13,910 There were athletes who came along who had better talent than Bernard. 772 00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:17,490 There were athletes who came along who had better positions, better situations. 773 00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:20,050 His discipline has set him apart. 774 00:42:20,051 --> 00:42:26,950 And the new IBF Middleweight Champion of the World Bernard Hopkins. 775 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:33,830 I won my first title in 1994. 776 00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:39,470 From there I went on to defend the Middleweight Championship for 11 years. 777 00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:48,150 Oscar De La Hoya is knocked out by a left foot to the liver by Bernard Hopkins. 778 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:52,490 Bernard Hopkins is already Robertson in this era. 779 00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:55,130 Those guys were cut from a different cloth. 780 00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:56,370 The ones who could sustain. 781 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:59,530 Tonight, you have witnessed history. 782 00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:02,090 Boxing's ageless warrior. 783 00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:04,150 Bernard Hopkins! 784 00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:10,910 He became the oldest fighter to win a world title. 785 00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:15,530 At an age 48 when it's almost impossible to imagine a fighter doing this. 786 00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:20,050 Bernard walked and kept that middleweight weight for 20 title defenses. 787 00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:22,330 20 title defenses. 788 00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:24,510 That's going to be a hard record to break. 789 00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:27,170 He's just always representing the hungry fighter 790 00:43:27,171 --> 00:43:29,891 that's dedicated and put in a lot of work, you know. 791 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:32,830 You can just tell he didn't get anything handed to him. 792 00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:39,110 Bernard Hopkins to me is a testament to the fact that anyone can reshape their 793 00:43:39,111 --> 00:43:44,810 thinking, can reshape their life, and continue to live that reshaped life. 794 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:49,790 The Bernard Hopkins that I have known all these years, and the man who resurrected 795 00:43:49,791 --> 00:43:54,650 his life, is an absolute pillar of self-discipline. 796 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,810 What saved me was knowing that I can do this. 797 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,150 And to be able to do this in the penitentiary. 798 00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:05,110 Those stages are critical for me. 799 00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:09,890 To be able to come through that era and come through that time with scars. 800 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:13,890 But I used it to motivate me in a different way. 801 00:44:15,335 --> 00:44:16,830 It took time to get there. 802 00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:21,046 Bernard Hopkins is very lucky to have boxing, and to capitalize on it. 803 00:44:21,070 --> 00:44:22,690 He had it and he took advantage of it. 804 00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:26,150 People who don't have those options, it gets very bleak. 805 00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:29,430 We cut back on a lot of the educational options, we cut back on a lot of the 806 00:44:29,431 --> 00:44:32,250 facilities, we cut back on time out in the yard, we cut back on sports. 807 00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:35,210 Energize inmates. 808 00:44:35,335 --> 00:44:39,090 Use their energy in the right direction by going to the boxing gym. 809 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:45,210 It releases energy that won't be released on authority. 810 00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:47,830 Or on other things. 811 00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:53,210 Those kinds of programs are no longer available in today's prisons. 812 00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:58,650 Today's prisons are more about punishment rather than recognizing the mistakes 813 00:44:58,651 --> 00:45:02,210 individuals may have made and helping them grow from them. 814 00:45:03,730 --> 00:45:05,630 Sometimes we do completely perverse things. 815 00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:08,214 In New York State at least, the single most popular 816 00:45:08,215 --> 00:45:09,770 training program in prison is barber school. 817 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:13,130 So you have thousands of men training to be barbers in prison. 818 00:45:13,350 --> 00:45:15,786 It's actually giving them a job to do while they're in prison. 819 00:45:15,810 --> 00:45:18,023 Providing actually a useful skill they can use on the 820 00:45:18,024 --> 00:45:19,670 outside, only they're not allowed to use it at all. 821 00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:21,570 People on parole, ex-felons, can't be barbers. 822 00:45:21,730 --> 00:45:23,270 It's a blanket ban for licensing. 823 00:45:23,610 --> 00:45:25,163 Once you get into that system, we're actually 824 00:45:25,164 --> 00:45:27,530 setting you up even more to fail down the line. 825 00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:31,010 You just keep making it tougher and tougher and then, you know, shaking your 826 00:45:31,011 --> 00:45:33,651 heads in disappointment when they fail and making it tougher still. 827 00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:38,181 Activist Angela Davis describes prisons as this place where 828 00:45:38,182 --> 00:45:41,290 we don't make problems disappear, we make people disappear. 829 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:45,290 We want to think of ourselves as never making mistakes. 830 00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:48,130 And so when confronted with individuals who make 831 00:45:48,131 --> 00:45:51,071 mistakes, we're forced to look in the mirror. 832 00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:00,600 Muhammad Ali, in his prime, was served by his character. 833 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,240 Mike Tyson didn't have that character. 834 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,720 He had tremendous ferocity, tremendous ability, God-given strength. 835 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:10,120 But the people around him weren't encouraging him to develop character. 836 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,560 They were enabling him, in a lot of ways, to destroy himself. 837 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,940 His only real mentors were his managers and his trainers. 838 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,293 They weren't really trying to teach him a lot of 839 00:46:21,294 --> 00:46:24,281 social skills, other than how to deal with media. 840 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640 People treat you differently when you're famous. 841 00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,160 Fame really distorts your own perception of yourself. 842 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,720 It's a thing. 843 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,940 Anybody on this planet with six billion people, six billion, right? 844 00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,860 Anybody on this planet, you could beat them in a fair fight. 845 00:46:41,820 --> 00:46:44,060 So you tell me how that'll feed your ego. 846 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:48,160 He starts buying all these incredible sports cars. 847 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,260 He buys Bentleys. 848 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,380 He buys Rolls Royces. 849 00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:52,840 And he starts buying these mansions. 850 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,280 And, of course, it's conspicuous consumption. 851 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,260 He's showing the world that, you know, look how far he's come. 852 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,360 My life only existed through accomplishments. 853 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,540 You win this, you get this car. 854 00:47:03,780 --> 00:47:05,200 You win this, you get this. 855 00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:06,300 You win this, you get that. 856 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,520 And you have that much money, you know, everything is possible. 857 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,140 The media was creating this image, but Mike was helping with the image. 858 00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,060 That he was just a savage, a wild man. 859 00:47:17,380 --> 00:47:19,506 If I fuck you in your ass, you punk white 860 00:47:19,586 --> 00:47:21,540 boy, I'll eat your ass all alive, you bitch. 861 00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:23,620 I became a megalomaniac. 862 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:24,700 I thought I was a god. 863 00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:27,178 If you were old enough, you may have seen some of 864 00:47:27,179 --> 00:47:29,160 my fights and some of the things I said to people. 865 00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,660 I said about myself, you know, as some kind of demigod or something. 866 00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:34,180 I'm a tyrannosaurus, man. 867 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,280 I'm a tyrannical titan. 868 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,320 I'm the best ever. 869 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:38,096 There's never been anybody who's worse than me. 870 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,520 That's just the way I was trained to fight, to have that kind of belief system. 871 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:45,225 We all heard those stories of people that have had nothing 872 00:47:45,226 --> 00:47:47,480 and then had it all and didn't know how to handle it. 873 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,320 It's one thing to be able to have that drive and that desire to become a 874 00:47:50,321 --> 00:47:55,620 champion, but to stay hungry when you have that success, it becomes that much harder. 875 00:47:57,260 --> 00:48:00,660 We think of him as this monster with huge power. 876 00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:01,400 And he did have power. 877 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:08,580 But Mike Tyson was a small heavyweight who needed to fight well to be effective. 878 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:13,311 A Mike Tyson that isn't perfectly conditioned and a Mike 879 00:48:13,312 --> 00:48:17,060 Tyson that isn't fighting the right style, he's beatable. 880 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,860 Please welcome the challenger, James Buster Douglas! 881 00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:30,500 No one expected Mike Tyson to lose to Buster Douglas. 882 00:48:30,740 --> 00:48:32,200 The odds were astronomical. 883 00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:38,860 Introducing the undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, 884 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,940 the one and only, Iron Mike Tyson! 885 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:48,598 It was in Japan and most news organizations 886 00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,241 didn't even send anybody to cover the fight. 887 00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:52,880 Larry, what are we about to see? 888 00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:57,000 Another 90-second annihilation of an ill-prepared opponent? 889 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,098 Well, in the important game of expectations, this 890 00:49:00,099 --> 00:49:02,880 fight is over before it begins or soon thereafter. 891 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,601 You have to remember that just nobody 892 00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:08,340 believes anybody can compete with Mike Tyson. 893 00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:13,151 And there, of course, is Amanda Holyfield, who has a 894 00:49:13,152 --> 00:49:16,500 guarantee of $12 million to fight Mike Tyson in June. 895 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,460 Everyone was looking forward to it. 896 00:49:18,461 --> 00:49:20,596 I was looking forward to Mike Tyson fighting Evander Holyfield. 897 00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:24,440 I watched the Douglas-Tyson fight with Donald Trump and his executives. 898 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,978 They were expecting that Tyson-Holyfield fight to be on one 899 00:49:27,979 --> 00:49:30,580 of their properties and would be a major event for them. 900 00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:33,360 Mike went kicking and screaming to Tokyo. 901 00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:36,787 You know, he thought, I knocked out guys that beat Buster 902 00:49:36,788 --> 00:49:39,980 Douglas, so why do I have to, you know, train for Buster Douglas? 903 00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:42,440 So he got there and he didn't train. 904 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:49,740 And he instead enjoyed all the fruits of young Japanese women there. 905 00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:54,960 Buster had nothing to lose, and he was training his heart out. 906 00:49:55,330 --> 00:49:58,880 Evander saw this, and he knew trouble might be on the horizon. 907 00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,300 Douglas is getting Mike Tyson to reach in. 908 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,980 When you reach in, that's what happens. 909 00:50:02,981 --> 00:50:05,334 Another good right hand and a good right 910 00:50:05,335 --> 00:50:07,860 uppercut, and two more good rights by Douglas. 911 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,940 I don't think I've ever seen Tyson absorb that kind of a four or five-punch 912 00:50:12,941 --> 00:50:15,510 combination before in his professional career. 913 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,980 And he is swelled up. 914 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,500 Mike Tyson's eye and is dominating the fight right now. 915 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,700 It was a perfect storm of events. 916 00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:28,140 It was Mike Tyson not taking Buster Douglas as seriously as he should have, 917 00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:30,790 and it was Buster Douglas preparing himself correctly. 918 00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:34,640 Rolling willingly just to try to get in the shot that will finish things in here. 919 00:50:34,641 --> 00:50:35,220 Oh, the uppercut. 920 00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:38,400 What an uppercut by Douglas, and down goes Tyson. 921 00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:58,620 It's over. 922 00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:59,200 It's over. 923 00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:00,720 Mike Tyson has been knocked out. 924 00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:09,280 There are a lot of lessons fighters learn the hard way. 925 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,420 Every fighter comes to know the fact that this is an unforgiving sport. 926 00:51:14,220 --> 00:51:21,440 And suddenly Mike Tyson has been reduced to being another heavyweight champion. 927 00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:23,200 He got defeated. 928 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,660 There's no other sport where you can rise and fall so quickly. 929 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,560 When I became the heavyweight champion of the world for the first time with Buster 930 00:51:36,561 --> 00:51:43,400 Douglas, people hated the fact... That's not by holding... White hand stuns Douglas. 931 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:51,720 Brown knockout. 932 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,300 They said, you can't get no credibility from me. 933 00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,140 You still ain't the champ. 934 00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:58,760 You didn't even beat Tyson. 935 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,660 An Indiana grand jury has indicted former heavyweight boxing champ, Mike Tyson. 936 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,683 He is charged with raping a woman who was a contestant 937 00:52:06,684 --> 00:52:08,940 in this summer's Miss Black America pageant. 938 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,940 Within the past hour, the jury has returned four indictments. 939 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,285 One for rape, two charges of criminal deviant conduct, 940 00:52:14,286 --> 00:52:16,420 and three charges and one charge of confinement. 941 00:52:22,510 --> 00:52:26,770 If I was in here for something that I did, it would be easier. 942 00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:31,310 But just the fact that I'm in here for something I didn't do and I'm innocent is 943 00:52:31,311 --> 00:52:33,470 every day I'm walking a thin line through hell. 944 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:37,790 I thought prison was for the rehabilitation of men, or women, so to speak. 945 00:52:37,890 --> 00:52:38,650 That's what I always thought. 946 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:39,330 That's what they say. 947 00:52:39,490 --> 00:52:42,250 We send you here and we rehabilitate you before you won't do it again. 948 00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:44,756 People come out of prison, they come out in worse 949 00:52:44,757 --> 00:52:47,010 condition than they was when they first entered. 950 00:52:47,011 --> 00:52:49,643 In the lackluster heavyweight division, even 951 00:52:49,644 --> 00:52:52,030 without his crown, Tyson is still the man. 952 00:52:52,810 --> 00:52:55,156 Promoters even courted him at the prison, hoping 953 00:52:55,157 --> 00:52:58,211 to share an estimated $100 million payday. 954 00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:04,330 Waiting for my opportunity to get a chance to fight him. 955 00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:07,630 Since a lot of writers in general think that really he's the champ. 956 00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:10,810 I'm telling you, but, you know, realistically, I am the champ. 957 00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:11,850 I have the best. 958 00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:17,193 Long before dawn, news helicopters hovered 959 00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:19,730 over the state prison, and cameras were ready. 960 00:53:19,731 --> 00:53:21,730 Hundreds of them from around the world. 961 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:23,510 Tyson issued a written statement. 962 00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:26,090 I'm very happy to be out and on my way home. 963 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:27,910 I will have more to say later. 964 00:53:32,050 --> 00:53:34,190 It was viewed as good versus evil. 965 00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:39,030 The good was Evander, the good Christian guy who talks about the Lord and things 966 00:53:39,031 --> 00:53:44,430 like that, versus Mike, who at that time was the ex-con convicted rapist. 967 00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:47,870 But Evander was perceived to have no chance against Mike. 968 00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:53,710 When the fight was first announced, Evander was a 24-year-old 25-to-1 underdog. 969 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:56,470 I mean, that's huge odds for anybody to be 25-to-1. 970 00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:58,150 It's like they've got no shot. 971 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:08,930 I'm from the hood, too. 972 00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:13,050 I may not act like I'm from that, but I'm from that. 973 00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:16,290 Tyson never did insult me. 974 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:17,890 But the press did. 975 00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:20,890 They talking about Tyson gonna kill you. 976 00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:22,330 As we head for the mound. 977 00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:26,710 And continue to go after the mound. 978 00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:31,430 Ain't nothing that he was gonna do that I'm not accustomed to. 979 00:54:31,530 --> 00:54:33,670 No intimidation factor here whatsoever. 980 00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:37,130 I knew it was gonna be tough. 981 00:54:37,810 --> 00:54:40,610 But I had watched him my whole life. 982 00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:43,430 And it's almost like, this is the fight. 983 00:54:44,250 --> 00:54:46,490 The crowd behind Holyfield. 984 00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:52,090 The chance of Holyfield. 985 00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:55,750 The crowd sensing that Holyfield might have Tyson in trouble. 986 00:54:56,870 --> 00:55:01,130 Mike just wore down from not being able to hurt Evander. 987 00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:03,830 And that was something that he had never experienced before. 988 00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:11,750 I can't believe what I'm seeing. 989 00:55:11,950 --> 00:55:14,870 It's the most unbelievable thing I've ever been privileged to witness. 990 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,570 It was one of the most complete fight I ever fought. 991 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,260 That was Holyfield's greatest achievement. 992 00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:30,677 Evander Holyfield ended up being in some of the largest 993 00:55:30,678 --> 00:55:33,800 pay-per-view matches in the history of the sport. 994 00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:37,080 But it took him a long time to get there. 995 00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:39,356 Evander Holyfield was not just a good fighter. 996 00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:40,120 He was a great fighter. 997 00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:41,900 He's an underrated heavyweight in my mind. 998 00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:44,940 Very arguably belongs in the top ten heavyweights of all time. 999 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,176 Even though he was a little guy. 1000 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,280 Started as a cruiserweight. 1001 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:48,940 Tyson... 1002 00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:53,630 I don't think he became what he could have been. 1003 00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:06,600 Boxing as we imagine it is driven by a desire to annihilate the opponent. 1004 00:56:06,601 --> 00:56:09,380 The focus is on the external. 1005 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:16,020 Looking at what boxers themselves say is that it's about the internal. 1006 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,720 It's about the discipline. 1007 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,160 It's about the craft. 1008 00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:20,900 That it's not about the opponent. 1009 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,300 It's not about the external. 1010 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:24,660 But it's about the internal. 1011 00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:26,160 It's about self. 1012 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,500 When you win, everybody wins. 1013 00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:31,900 When you lose, you lose all along. 1014 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,040 And that's the truth. 1015 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,600 Because you have to deal with that by yourself. 1016 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,540 There's a large degree to which the fighter that achieves stardom, 1017 00:56:41,620 --> 00:56:46,240 superstardom, they represent the American dream to people. 1018 00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:48,180 I mean, the underdog that makes it. 1019 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,701 But I got to be honest with you, I think a lot of that's greatly overstated. 1020 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,480 You know, Mike Tyson, the biggest athlete by far of the 1990s, the biggest athlete 1021 00:56:59,481 --> 00:57:06,720 of the 1990s, and certainly a superstar boxer, suffered a lot of ups and downs and 1022 00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:09,537 was never really protected by the people that 1023 00:57:09,538 --> 00:57:12,841 surrounded him for the majority of his career. 1024 00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:18,560 My self-worth, even when I was a child, was depending on how much I could hurt someone. 1025 00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:22,440 And as I got older and I met Cuss, that's what it continued to be, 1026 00:57:22,540 --> 00:57:26,560 how many people I could knock out, how fast I could knock them out, 1027 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,380 how bad I could hurt them. 1028 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,820 And so it just... 1029 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:32,280 it just stayed on that path. 1030 00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:35,780 A kid doesn't have a normal home environment, doesn't have a normal support 1031 00:57:35,781 --> 00:57:39,400 system around him, and then he's basically trained to be a fighting machine. 1032 00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:40,700 His life was crazy. 1033 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,240 Tyson was a pit bull. 1034 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,920 The ear-biting incident was a check-out. 1035 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,260 Mike was messed up. 1036 00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:50,820 I'm sure he'd be the first one to tell you that. 1037 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,163 You have to understand, this is just what I did 1038 00:57:54,164 --> 00:57:56,881 seven years of my life, eight years of my life. 1039 00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:59,180 My greatest moment was when I stopped boxing. 1040 00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:01,880 It was just dark for me. 1041 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,400 Boxing got real dark for me. 1042 00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:09,940 A stunned crowd here at the MCI Center in Washington, D.C. 1043 00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:16,180 as Kevin McBride defeats Mike Tyson, who quits on his stool. 1044 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,539 I got the ability to stay in shape, but I don't 1045 00:58:18,619 --> 00:58:20,200 got the fighting guts, I don't think, anymore. 1046 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:21,980 When did you recognize that? 1047 00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,140 In what part of the fight? 1048 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,780 I don't know. 1049 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:24,840 Early into the fight. 1050 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,420 Um... I'm just sorry I let everybody down. 1051 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,540 I just don't have this in my heart anymore. 1052 00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:34,360 Did you feel as though you had it coming into the fight? 1053 00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:35,360 Um, no. 1054 00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:37,860 I'm just fighting to take care of my bills, basically. 1055 00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:44,000 We know from studies of lottery winners, of professional athletes, anyone who comes 1056 00:58:44,001 --> 00:58:47,820 into a sudden windfall of money, be careful what you wish for, because that 1057 00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:49,020 creates more problems. 1058 00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:51,567 You have everybody coming out of the woodwork 1059 00:58:51,579 --> 00:58:53,461 to try to get a piece of your action. 1060 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,540 Tyson has pulled in an estimated... 300 million dollars. 1061 00:59:03,350 --> 00:59:06,040 He could have made more if he hadn't racked up the prison time. 1062 00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:08,985 And who knows how much he's lost in lawsuits, 1063 00:59:08,986 --> 00:59:11,220 or to the managers he claims ripped him off. 1064 00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:14,440 Bottom line, Tyson then, 300 million. 1065 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,560 Tyson now, Chapter 11. 1066 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,480 It's a sport where you can be used. 1067 00:59:19,780 --> 00:59:24,380 There's no training about how to handle yourself outside the ring. 1068 00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:27,920 Very few boxers are taught about how to handle their money. 1069 00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:30,540 You don't have a good team of people around you. 1070 00:59:30,541 --> 00:59:32,580 You will kill yourself. 1071 00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:36,168 You will crash and burn because every level of success 1072 00:59:36,169 --> 00:59:39,200 you have, you hit a wall that you have to learn more. 1073 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,810 I'll always wonder why Mike Tyson didn't declare 1074 00:59:41,811 --> 00:59:44,880 bankruptcy years before his tax issues became crushing. 1075 00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:46,940 I mean, he clearly was bankrupt. 1076 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,156 Why did he declare bankruptcy? 1077 00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:50,883 Because it was in people's interest to keep his 1078 00:59:50,884 --> 00:59:53,200 contracts alive with those he was doing business with. 1079 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,794 Days after filing for bankruptcy, boxer Mike Tyson 1080 00:59:55,795 --> 00:59:58,420 has filed suit against his former promoter, Don King. 1081 00:59:58,421 --> 01:00:01,440 Don was, I mean, he knew everybody. 1082 01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:03,180 It's like he was a step ahead of us. 1083 01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:05,420 How could you prepare for something like that? 1084 01:00:05,540 --> 01:00:09,540 You don't know who's trying to take from you, who loves you, who likes you. 1085 01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:11,700 You don't know if somebody's trying to set you up. 1086 01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:15,340 Even when you play by the rule book, you find a person that has that same 1087 01:00:15,341 --> 01:00:19,460 energy that the person had that was trying to rob you. 1088 01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,280 But they won't even give you courtesy of pointing a gun at you. 1089 01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:26,640 They'll rob you and do it in black and white. 1090 01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:28,380 And I've seen people do worse things. 1091 01:00:28,381 --> 01:00:30,699 I've seen people do worse things to you in corporate 1092 01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:33,261 settings than I've seen them do on the street. 1093 01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:35,480 They take everything from you. 1094 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,360 There are bottom feeders that will attach themselves with their law license, 1095 01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:51,580 with their business savvy, to a fighter from Brooklyn, New York, Philly, 1096 01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:55,560 or any other place that don't have really the education. 1097 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,360 Just ask Atlanta car dealer Kent Sanders. 1098 01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:00,317 Who took Holyfield under his wing when he needed 1099 01:01:00,318 --> 01:01:02,881 a co-signer for a car and became his manager. 1100 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,360 Kent Sanders wasn't my manager. 1101 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,260 I just told people that because he ran a car dealership, so he knew about money. 1102 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,400 I got into boxing because all I had to do was know how to fight. 1103 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,620 I didn't know nobody who knew about money. 1104 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,540 I don't know nobody who made a lot of money. 1105 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,593 I mean, even when you hit the powerball, the first 1106 01:01:21,594 --> 01:01:24,461 thing people tell you is get an accountant and a lawyer. 1107 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,540 Well, boxing is the same way, but they don't tell you. 1108 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:32,168 That's why most athletes wind up not having nothing 1109 01:01:32,169 --> 01:01:35,840 when all the hard labor and years in the ring is over. 1110 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,340 You ask Mike Tyson, how you doing, Mike? 1111 01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:39,860 He says, just living the day-to-day. 1112 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,060 That's what he's doing, just living day-to-day. 1113 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,520 You can look at people like Evander Holyfield that made hundreds of millions 1114 01:01:46,521 --> 01:01:48,322 of dollars, that's how those houses went into 1115 01:01:48,323 --> 01:01:52,220 foreclosure, and who's struggling right now to get by. 1116 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,860 A foreclosure notice in the local newspapers dates 1117 01:01:55,861 --> 01:01:58,360 Holyfield defaulted on a $10 million voucher. 1118 01:01:58,361 --> 01:02:01,534 A strange reversal of fortune for a champion believed 1119 01:02:01,535 --> 01:02:05,260 to have earned $200 million during his storied career. 1120 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,068 The house that Holyfield built may soon 1121 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,960 become his biggest loss outside of the ring. 1122 01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:13,960 When you get money, you gotta ask questions. 1123 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,240 I never did have to ask questions because I never had nobody. 1124 01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:20,431 What happened to me is not so much they stole, 1125 01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:23,020 but they did take advantage of what I didn't know. 1126 01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,360 They all want this boxer to make them money. 1127 01:02:26,361 --> 01:02:30,860 Once the boxer doesn't make them any more money, they're cast aside like rubbish. 1128 01:02:31,260 --> 01:02:35,720 You retire with a great record and then be sitting on a stool in your living room. 1129 01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:36,840 Where do I go from here? 1130 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,100 I don't have any skills. 1131 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,376 I'm not trained to do anything. 1132 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,200 I'm not educated. 1133 01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:41,356 I don't have a college degree. 1134 01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:43,036 A lot of guys don't have high school degrees. 1135 01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:48,980 It's not at all uncommon to have even boxers who had great acclaim wind up 1136 01:02:49,155 --> 01:02:52,800 broke, penniless, as greed is at a casino in Vegas. 1137 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:56,340 What you don't hear about is the guy that fights on ESPN for money. 1138 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,000 Four times a year. 1139 01:02:57,315 --> 01:03:00,500 And after he pays, his manager and his trainer and 1140 01:03:00,501 --> 01:03:03,321 everyone involved is still at the poverty line. 1141 01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:07,340 The budgets on ESPN allow a guy in a main event to get paid about 15 grand. 1142 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,760 Like I said, split that money off. 1143 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,700 Train for a number of weeks for that fight. 1144 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,498 And you can make more money, honestly, taking a 1145 01:03:14,499 --> 01:03:17,161 minimum wage job and working a little bit overtime. 1146 01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:19,403 The minimum salary in Major League Baseball, 1147 01:03:19,503 --> 01:03:22,600 even in Minor League Baseball, is livable. 1148 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,660 There is no minimum salary for a fighter. 1149 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,640 99% of fighters probably make 99% of money. 1150 01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:33,740 Boxing is laissez faire capitalism run amok. 1151 01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:36,620 There is essentially no one running the ship. 1152 01:03:37,155 --> 01:03:39,820 There's different organizations that run a piece of it. 1153 01:03:39,995 --> 01:03:43,480 There's promoters who go up and down and control parts of it. 1154 01:03:44,090 --> 01:03:46,480 But there are essentially no regulations. 1155 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,100 Boxing is regulated at the state level. 1156 01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:52,900 You have Nevada with its set of rules. 1157 01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:54,396 You have California with its set of rules. 1158 01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:54,900 You have New York. 1159 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:55,960 You have New Jersey. 1160 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,840 Jurisdictions will have different perspective on a different matter. 1161 01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:01,100 And nobody is on the same page at all times. 1162 01:04:01,335 --> 01:04:05,100 Most people think that we need a federal commission to regulate the sport of boxing. 1163 01:04:05,780 --> 01:04:07,814 The federal government attempted to regulate 1164 01:04:07,826 --> 01:04:09,600 boxing by the passage of the OLLI Act. 1165 01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:14,780 It's given some authority to the federal government to enforce boxing from a 1166 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,880 business perspective. 1167 01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:19,102 However, there has not been any prosecution or 1168 01:04:19,103 --> 01:04:21,980 implementation of the OLLI Act for a fighter. 1169 01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:25,480 Why is it every sport in America is regulated? 1170 01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,280 Or have some type of union? 1171 01:04:28,930 --> 01:04:30,500 And boxing don't? 1172 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,300 In other sports like baseball, football, tennis, you have individuals who 1173 01:04:41,301 --> 01:04:44,206 are well educated in those sports to help guide 1174 01:04:44,207 --> 01:04:46,800 those champions through their effort and their time. 1175 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,276 If you're an NFL player or an NBA player or a major 1176 01:04:49,336 --> 01:04:52,220 league baseball player, there is at least a core. 1177 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,200 You have the team. 1178 01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:56,240 You have whatever resources they have to help you with. 1179 01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:58,020 You have the league that has some resources. 1180 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,800 Who do we go to? 1181 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,101 It's crazy to pit your body and your mind through this 1182 01:05:11,102 --> 01:05:14,180 hard way of making a living for yourself and your family. 1183 01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:16,480 And to wind up with nothing. 1184 01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:18,860 And not even your health. 1185 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,340 To me is a sin. 1186 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,620 We as a country are in love with our sports. 1187 01:05:24,090 --> 01:05:28,960 But when these two fighters step into a ring, there is a level of violence that is 1188 01:05:28,961 --> 01:05:32,280 unlike any other sport in terms of duration and intensity. 1189 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,040 When a fighter receives a blow that's so severe, what's going on inside the head is 1190 01:05:38,041 --> 01:05:40,737 the brain is suddenly slammed against the back of your 1191 01:05:40,738 --> 01:05:43,420 skull and then thrown forward again as the head snaps back. 1192 01:05:43,780 --> 01:05:45,840 It's commonly called a concussion. 1193 01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:57,390 It can swell and cause long-term hematomas, bleeding on the brain, 1194 01:05:57,610 --> 01:06:01,210 memory loss, strokes or aneurysms, or vessel breakage. 1195 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,541 It can cause death, depending on how severe, how 1196 01:06:12,542 --> 01:06:15,120 acute, where the brain actually impacts the skull. 1197 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,441 It has happened where a fighter will leave the 1198 01:06:18,481 --> 01:06:21,020 ring, whether they've won or lost, they look fine. 1199 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,420 They head out to dinner, everything's wonderful, and one to two to three days 1200 01:06:25,421 --> 01:06:27,740 later, something, you know, traumatic happens. 1201 01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,180 I had a young champion, a guy named Lavander Johnson. 1202 01:06:31,420 --> 01:06:32,656 He was walking out of the ring. 1203 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,020 I walked out of the ring behind him, and I saw he was a little unsteady on his feet. 1204 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,040 He put his arm on me, and I walked him back to his dressing room. 1205 01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:44,420 He was apologizing for losing, and I'll never forget it. 1206 01:06:44,421 --> 01:06:46,520 He literally sat on his stool, and he looked at me and he said, 1207 01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:48,780 Lou, I have a headache, and then he fell forward. 1208 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,360 And he never regained consciousness. 1209 01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:54,500 He died, I think it was five, six days later. 1210 01:06:55,085 --> 01:06:57,722 Every society, for the most part, on the face 1211 01:06:57,723 --> 01:07:01,920 of the earth, has some primal need for violence. 1212 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,960 It's always there, that bloodthirstiness. 1213 01:07:08,620 --> 01:07:11,040 It's human nature to be fascinated by violence. 1214 01:07:11,885 --> 01:07:14,260 We hear a car wreck, we go see what happened. 1215 01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:18,380 Horror movies, how is somebody going to be eaten alive or torn up? 1216 01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:20,080 It's all over the place. 1217 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:26,080 We are just attracted by confrontation, by conflict, by controversy. 1218 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:31,220 That's what sells, and that's what boxing tries to sell. 1219 01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:37,460 Boxing needs something that can say, hey, there is support for a fighter. 1220 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,440 The fighter is the one who's putting his life in danger to enter that ring and 1221 01:07:41,441 --> 01:07:43,480 provide entertainment to everybody that's there. 1222 01:07:43,481 --> 01:07:45,730 However, we have to weigh the resources we 1223 01:07:45,731 --> 01:07:47,840 have with the actual regulation of the sport. 1224 01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:50,345 Over the last year, we generated about $5.5 1225 01:07:50,346 --> 01:07:53,261 million in tax revenue just from ticket sales. 1226 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,120 The state legislature then makes an appropriation to the athletic commission, 1227 01:07:57,340 --> 01:08:00,040 and that allocation is about $450,000. 1228 01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:03,120 So there's a huge disparity from a regulative perspective. 1229 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,620 I'm concerned right now about the sport. 1230 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,163 People in life have a right to take risks and 1231 01:08:09,164 --> 01:08:11,820 a right to live the lives they want to live. 1232 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,440 Now, that being said, it's Barbara. 1233 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,503 It's barbaric in a lot of ways that there's no standardized 1234 01:08:16,504 --> 01:08:20,000 health and safety criteria in the United States. 1235 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:20,580 Think about that. 1236 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,360 You know, it's preposterous. 1237 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,483 It's high time that boxing began to regulate just 1238 01:08:25,484 --> 01:08:28,180 like, you know, other pro sports like the NFL. 1239 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,700 When there's no checks and balances, there's a problem. 1240 01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:36,720 When you see the people who come from nothing, who come from less than nothing, 1241 01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,441 to see them perform and to see them give 1242 01:08:39,442 --> 01:08:43,401 such great entertainment is an amazing thing. 1243 01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:48,000 But as important it is for us to celebrate them at the top of where they are, 1244 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,600 it's as important that we figure out how to carry them when they need us the most. 1245 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:55,660 There are some great success stories and some great stories 1246 01:08:55,661 --> 01:09:00,360 of those who escape prison, escape the street and make it. 1247 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,780 But for every one of those guys, there's a sad story. 1248 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,072 And there's a story of someone who's exploited or a 1249 01:09:05,073 --> 01:09:07,680 story of someone who loses their health in the long term. 1250 01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:10,940 Or a story that somebody who becomes a champion and toils 1251 01:09:10,941 --> 01:09:13,501 for years and then winds up retiring with virtually nothing. 1252 01:09:14,530 --> 01:09:16,730 It's the American dream and it's the American nightmare. 1253 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,660 When I'm over here and I'm looking at the Vegas strip, I think about all the trouble 1254 01:09:36,661 --> 01:09:38,940 I got in over there, all the drugs I used there. 1255 01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:43,940 I never even think about all the great fights I had there. 1256 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,860 I think about all the things I did there wasn't really moral. 1257 01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:54,920 All I did was knock people out, screw people, have sex with women, 1258 01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:56,340 get high on drugs. 1259 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,640 When me and my wife first got together, I was a full-blown addict. 1260 01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:09,310 My daughter passed away at four years old. 1261 01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:11,370 I'm having a tragic accident at home. 1262 01:10:13,450 --> 01:10:14,530 That's my lowest point. 1263 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,960 When I was at the hospital, I realized that other people's children were dying, too. 1264 01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:25,560 And those people, just because I'm famous, they took out of their way, left their 1265 01:10:25,561 --> 01:10:28,036 dying children, their sick children, came over here and prayed with me. 1266 01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:30,760 Then I realized, well, hey, their babies are dying, too. 1267 01:10:30,761 --> 01:10:33,325 So what makes you so important that you think you 1268 01:10:33,326 --> 01:10:35,400 should be mad and angry and want to kill somebody? 1269 01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:38,620 Let's do this whole tough guy stuff because your baby's dying. 1270 01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:41,516 Their babies died, too, and they left them to come over here and talk to you. 1271 01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:42,700 You ain't shit, motherfucker. 1272 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,360 You don't care about nobody. 1273 01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:45,887 These people left their fucking babies to 1274 01:10:45,888 --> 01:10:48,521 talk to you, and you don't give a fucking ass. 1275 01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,800 And that's just what it was. 1276 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,240 And it's not about me. 1277 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,700 The world's bigger than me. 1278 01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,600 My wife just stayed by me and said, we're going to get through this. 1279 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:07,800 She just kept it very positive, constantly positive. 1280 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,400 I just wanted to change. 1281 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:17,420 I wanted to break the chain of self-bondage that my mother and father and 1282 01:11:17,421 --> 01:11:20,840 her mother and father probably had, and I wanted to change with me. 1283 01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:24,460 So my kids wouldn't have to deal with that same suffering. 1284 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,020 I'm just so happy to be involved with the recovery world. 1285 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,460 I met a bunch of people that were just amazing people. 1286 01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:36,280 They didn't quit on me, didn't give up on me like the rest of the people in my life. 1287 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:39,040 It's an ongoing struggle. 1288 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,840 The pain never goes away. 1289 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,280 I'm never in a situation that I'm so secure that I can never fall back into 1290 01:11:47,281 --> 01:11:52,040 that nasty, dirty, disgusting, wretched individual that I once was. 1291 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,480 I never think that guy's gone totally. 1292 01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:59,140 It's time now where I have to deal with things from a serious perspective. 1293 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,660 And how me and my family are going to evolve from that perspective. 1294 01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:10,490 You have to make adjustments. 1295 01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:13,030 Adjustments are part of life. 1296 01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:15,670 Disappointment. 1297 01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:16,790 That's the biggest fight. 1298 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,070 You want to see how strong somebody is. 1299 01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:22,290 But I don't get disappointed. 1300 01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:24,870 It's over. 1301 01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:25,630 That's it. 1302 01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:26,870 It is over. 1303 01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:32,210 Evander Holyfield has never been knocked out. 1304 01:12:32,211 --> 01:12:34,810 And Riddick Bowe is the one to do it. 1305 01:12:36,250 --> 01:12:39,765 If I was Holyfield or any of his team members, I'd really 1306 01:12:39,766 --> 01:12:42,330 have to reevaluate if he's fit to continue to fight. 1307 01:12:42,450 --> 01:12:44,116 With all the health problems and the heart 1308 01:12:44,117 --> 01:12:46,150 conditions, is Evander Holyfield just completely done? 1309 01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:47,230 We don't know. 1310 01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:50,890 My mother passed before I fought Mike Tyson. 1311 01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:55,310 My brother passed before I fought Riddick Bowe. 1312 01:12:56,050 --> 01:12:58,150 I had a lot of tragedy in my family and stuff 1313 01:12:58,151 --> 01:12:59,850 that, you know, you had to put them behind. 1314 01:12:59,851 --> 01:12:59,990 What happened? 1315 01:13:00,850 --> 01:13:04,130 And the continuing life in the ring of Evander Holyfield. 1316 01:13:04,270 --> 01:13:05,790 Don't count me out yet, he says. 1317 01:13:06,090 --> 01:13:08,110 And tonight with some new gas in the tank. 1318 01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:10,810 Evander Holyfield was an all-time great. 1319 01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:15,170 But Evander didn't understand that the shelf life of a fighter is limited. 1320 01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:18,350 We may be seeing the end of an era. 1321 01:13:19,970 --> 01:13:22,270 And I think they're throwing the towel. 1322 01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:25,450 I think he was forced to fight way too long. 1323 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:27,870 Fights at the end of his career for virtually no money. 1324 01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:32,870 Evander is very confident in what he believes. 1325 01:13:33,130 --> 01:13:38,670 His stubbornness can be his greatest asset and his greatest liability. 1326 01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:42,190 I didn't get into boxing for money. 1327 01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:45,830 I got into boxing because I wanted to be the very best. 1328 01:13:46,110 --> 01:13:49,030 I'm the only person that's been the heavyweight champion world five times. 1329 01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:51,890 Because I got that minute opportunity. 1330 01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:54,050 Everybody's going to get off the path. 1331 01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:56,290 But the point is to get back on it. 1332 01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:57,930 Forgive yourself and get back on. 1333 01:13:59,850 --> 01:14:01,421 Evander Holyfield has faced plenty of 1334 01:14:01,433 --> 01:14:03,350 opponents in the ring, but nothing like this. 1335 01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:07,470 Together with his friend and financier, Yank Berry, they plan to deliver food aid 1336 01:14:07,471 --> 01:14:11,090 and help resettle Syrian refugees in a home supplied by Berry's charity. 1337 01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:14,750 Yank Berry used my likeness to draw the people. 1338 01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:16,730 I was on my last leg. 1339 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:20,651 But this man gave me an opportunity to fight back these 1340 01:14:20,652 --> 01:14:23,570 people who were taking my memorabilia and all this. 1341 01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:25,230 He did it himself. 1342 01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:29,210 I think Evander has come to that realization. 1343 01:14:29,211 --> 01:14:33,950 That he needs to be Evander Holyfield and not necessarily Evander Holyfield, 1344 01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:35,850 four-time heavyweight champion of the world. 1345 01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:39,914 If it wasn't for that boys club and other people who had 1346 01:14:39,915 --> 01:14:44,990 money, who sponsored me as a kid, I wouldn't be who I am. 1347 01:14:45,190 --> 01:14:49,750 The work that I'm doing now with Global Village, that's what life is really about. 1348 01:14:50,150 --> 01:14:52,277 I go to heaven, they ain't going to be asking me how many 1349 01:14:52,278 --> 01:14:54,086 times you came to the heavyweight champion of the world. 1350 01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:56,010 He's going to ask what do you do for the people. 1351 01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:58,550 The reason why you exist in the world is to help somebody. 1352 01:14:59,210 --> 01:15:00,210 Not just for yourself. 1353 01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:02,530 One of my best friends was Muhammad Ali. 1354 01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:06,650 Muhammad's health started failing and had to pick a new goodwill ambassador. 1355 01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:08,690 It was Evander. 1356 01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:10,170 Evander brought in Mike. 1357 01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:12,470 You brought him in? 1358 01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:13,870 Yep. 1359 01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:17,090 Evander Holyfield has been very gracious with Mike. 1360 01:15:17,290 --> 01:15:19,850 Mike bit a portion of his ear off. 1361 01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:22,350 That takes a lot of compassion. 1362 01:15:22,890 --> 01:15:24,910 A lot of love in your heart to forgive someone. 1363 01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:26,850 If you forgive, then you'll have peace. 1364 01:15:27,670 --> 01:15:29,910 You won't have people fighting each other all the time. 1365 01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:32,890 That's what makes the world go around is people forgive. 1366 01:15:33,230 --> 01:15:35,178 What did you think when Evander called you and 1367 01:15:35,179 --> 01:15:37,250 said, I want you to get involved in this project? 1368 01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:40,066 Well, it's not like I was doing anything, of course, you know. 1369 01:15:40,090 --> 01:15:41,430 I just said, hey, um, yeah. 1370 01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:42,070 Okay. 1371 01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:44,605 Well, Mike always talked about that he never 1372 01:15:44,606 --> 01:15:46,590 wanted to be involved in the sport again. 1373 01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:51,250 But now that he's resurrected himself, you see him going back to boxing. 1374 01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:56,830 Establishing his own promotional company to not only help the young boxers out 1375 01:15:56,831 --> 01:15:59,896 there, develop into good boxers, but to help them 1376 01:15:59,897 --> 01:16:03,250 not make some of the bad choices that he made. 1377 01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:04,710 I was very critical of Mike. 1378 01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:07,910 I'm happy to see him at a place where I think he's much more at peace and at a 1379 01:16:07,911 --> 01:16:10,390 better place in his life than I've ever seen him. 1380 01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:14,078 The Mike Tyson that's there right now is an honest guy trying 1381 01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,510 to do the best he can to be happy and live a good life. 1382 01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:19,690 His core love of boxing stems from the amateurs. 1383 01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:22,290 That's when it was all about the love of the game. 1384 01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:23,810 It wasn't so much about money. 1385 01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:26,810 And that's when boxing and the sport is at its purest. 1386 01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:33,970 It's the adversity that you face as a boxer that really brings out the true champion. 1387 01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:37,286 Bernard and Mike and Evander, all of them have faced 1388 01:16:37,287 --> 01:16:40,010 that kind of adversity inside the ring to be sure. 1389 01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:41,690 But outside the ring as well. 1390 01:16:41,970 --> 01:16:45,277 And I don't think we can measure the arc of some of these 1391 01:16:45,278 --> 01:16:47,710 people until we see them go through the adversities. 1392 01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:50,690 And when they do, it takes a lot to come back from it. 1393 01:16:51,330 --> 01:16:56,250 The one thing that I think keeps them coming back both in the boxing ring and in 1394 01:16:56,251 --> 01:16:59,450 life, is the fact that boxers have perseverance. 1395 01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:05,950 I'm on a different mission now that some ain't going to like and they shouldn't. 1396 01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:14,630 What I would like to do in my second half of life is to raise what they would 1397 01:17:14,631 --> 01:17:20,170 perceive to be hell amongst the people that want to keep a society of prey to 1398 01:17:20,171 --> 01:17:24,670 exist so they can take advantage of the backs and blood and tears of a fighter. 1399 01:17:25,050 --> 01:17:27,530 We need to start thinking about things in the long term. 1400 01:17:27,531 --> 01:17:29,870 And I think some of that responsibility falls on those 1401 01:17:29,871 --> 01:17:32,330 that interact with the fighters on a more day-to-day basis. 1402 01:17:32,710 --> 01:17:34,524 There's one particular fighter that has really 1403 01:17:34,525 --> 01:17:36,150 stepped out in front and that's Bernard Hopkins. 1404 01:17:36,490 --> 01:17:39,866 Being a part of Golden Boy Promotion, what I want to 1405 01:17:39,867 --> 01:17:42,970 do is to take every fighter that comes through me. 1406 01:17:43,150 --> 01:17:45,190 You gotta have your own accountant. 1407 01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:49,530 You gotta have your own attorney. 1408 01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:53,830 You gotta know what the business is about. 1409 01:17:58,890 --> 01:18:00,730 This sport changed history, man. 1410 01:18:00,810 --> 01:18:02,484 This sport had more to do with the advancement of 1411 01:18:02,485 --> 01:18:04,451 the civil rights movement than any other sport. 1412 01:18:04,890 --> 01:18:08,770 From Jack Johnson to Joe Louis to Muhammad Ali. 1413 01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:11,830 This is a sport that is ingrained in the fabric of this country. 1414 01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:17,530 I think that resurgence is possible, but there has to be some changes made. 1415 01:18:19,410 --> 01:18:21,750 The ultimate opponent for a fighter is truth. 1416 01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:24,762 If he can be truthful with himself, if he can 1417 01:18:24,763 --> 01:18:27,431 look at his limitations and then work on them. 1418 01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:31,450 If he can understand what he does well and then enhance it. 1419 01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:33,310 But he has to deal in truth. 1420 01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:36,630 When you lose, you can only blame yourself. 1421 01:18:37,890 --> 01:18:40,710 Go back and just look at what you did wrong. 1422 01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:45,890 It's the ones that know how to lose and make yourself better and come back. 1423 01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:47,970 That's boxing. 1424 01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:55,260 In boxing, you have to have challenges. 1425 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,740 And you use those challenges to take it to a different level. 1426 01:19:01,340 --> 01:19:02,340 I'm a fighter. 1427 01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:05,585 I'm that type of guy that could have been 1428 01:19:05,586 --> 01:19:09,321 anything else in my life if I chose to be that. 1429 01:19:09,740 --> 01:19:12,020 We all have talent in us. 1430 01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:14,800 You just gotta find it. 1431 01:19:17,180 --> 01:19:18,940 Everybody's tested in one way or another. 1432 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:21,240 It ain't easy. 1433 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,080 Your priorities gotta be lined up. 1434 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,580 I have just as many distractions as somebody else. 1435 01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:29,560 But I really want it to be great. 1436 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:37,280 Victory is how you're able to inspire people to want to be better. 1437 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,180 It all comes down to family, love and forgiveness and respect. 1438 01:19:42,660 --> 01:19:45,720 Pushing the gaps between who I am and who I want to be. 1439 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,500 And find different ways of becoming more conscious about myself. 1440 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,060 Human beings think a lot of themselves, you know. 1441 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,580 To think that we'll be that privileged to see the end of the world. 1442 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,040 I don't think we're going to have that privilege. 1443 01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:06,360 You know, I know there are things that happen bad. 1444 01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,860 But if you look at all the good that's happening out here. 1445 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,920 I see a new birth in the world. 1446 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,120 I see people respecting people more. 1447 01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:19,300 We have to evolve. 1448 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:21,840 This is a great world. 1449 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,720 And it's the best deal we ever got in our life, you know. 1450 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:25,800 Life itself. 1451 01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:27,280 We got it for nothing. 1452 01:20:27,380 --> 01:20:28,540 Look at all we got in return. 1453 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:30,540 Don't Austin! 1454 01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:31,580 But what if we were previous leaders? 1455 01:20:31,581 --> 01:20:32,581 Talk about it. 127087

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