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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,453 --> 00:00:04,983 Slowly, halfway through, widen out a little 2 00:00:04,984 --> 00:00:08,480 bit and go right back to that extreme close-up. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Remember what's going on in the ring. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,340 I can smell it! 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,340 It's in the air! 6 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,480 I feel the cosmic powers of Mars! 7 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:23,960 The clouds of Jupiter! 8 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:26,440 The boiling heat of Mercury! 9 00:00:26,980 --> 00:00:29,320 I can feel it! 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,960 My dad taught my sister and I a creed and he would make us write it out. 11 00:00:40,820 --> 00:00:41,820 Live strong. 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,660 Act bold. 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:45,960 Be brave. 14 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:48,460 History has been made here! 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,780 Nothing's too hard to do. 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,020 Always believe. 17 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:57,780 I walk as the general of a legion of warriors! 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,520 The Ultimate Warrior was just... He was a moment in my life. 19 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:04,540 A moment in time. 20 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:10,020 And the Ultimate Warrior, the guy that we grew up watching, the guy that fought Hulk 21 00:01:10,021 --> 00:01:14,720 Hogan and beat him, was separate from Jim Hellway. 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Don't let the tin come by kicking you in the mouth and not your feet! 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,920 The complicated layers of his own psyche 24 00:01:29,230 --> 00:01:33,530 created a man who at times was very difficult to get a grasp on. 25 00:01:33,531 --> 00:01:34,270 F**k! 26 00:01:34,410 --> 00:01:35,410 You're on me. 27 00:01:37,650 --> 00:01:40,120 He probably wouldn't have been driven to be the Ultimate Warrior 28 00:01:40,121 --> 00:01:43,310 if he hadn't had the pain he experienced in his early life. 29 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:44,670 Fire! 30 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:45,710 Fire! 31 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:49,750 You've got to have some kind of an explanation, Ultimate Warrior! 32 00:01:49,970 --> 00:01:52,990 He might not have gone on to be the person that he was afterwards if it hadn't been 33 00:01:52,991 --> 00:01:56,071 for the disappointment he was experiencing while we were all cheering for him. 34 00:01:57,830 --> 00:02:02,650 You have seen very small snippets of the man that I knew personally. 35 00:02:03,530 --> 00:02:07,030 You think of the guy who's, you know, big and tough. 36 00:02:08,590 --> 00:02:12,270 But he'd tuck us in at night so gently and read us our books. 37 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:17,410 And if there was something really sad or really rough, like, he'd leave it out. 38 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:22,510 And that was a beautiful thing for when we were little. 39 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:24,450 But there's not that privilege anymore. 40 00:02:25,630 --> 00:02:27,390 You have to tell the full story. 41 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:29,806 And with the past seven years that's gone on, 42 00:02:29,807 --> 00:02:32,050 there's no more... you don't want to censor anything. 43 00:02:32,051 --> 00:02:34,250 Like, this is the story of the Ultimate Warrior. 44 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:38,290 Read the full book. 45 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,920 He was skinny. 46 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:55,320 He was real skinny. 47 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:59,340 You know, I had a picture, I couldn't find it, of him in a football outfit. 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,640 Poor, beanpole, skinny legs, cute as a button. 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,100 Jim Hellwig was the oldest of five siblings. 50 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:14,220 He has two brothers, two sisters. 51 00:03:14,221 --> 00:03:18,080 This is a picture of the four kids before I had my last one. 52 00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:28,860 Here is the place that I understood Jim to tell me he grew up in this mobile home and 53 00:03:28,861 --> 00:03:32,840 said that he lifted weights on that front porch right there. 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Crawfordsville seemed like 18,000 people. 55 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:39,260 Very rural. 56 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:42,760 Demographics of this area. 57 00:03:42,761 --> 00:03:44,000 Blue-collar. 58 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:50,080 Everybody knows or has an idea of everybody in the community. 59 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,400 No, I don't think he was real popular with the girls. 60 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,140 Deep down, I think he was shy. 61 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,040 Insecure. 62 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:01,400 Insecure, yes. 63 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:07,964 He always worshipped his mom for her efforts and was always 64 00:04:07,965 --> 00:04:11,920 very complimentary of his mom and loved her very much. 65 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,680 His father departing their family was a pivotal moment for him. 66 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,233 I just think, and it's not just Jim, but all three of my 67 00:04:25,234 --> 00:04:29,240 boys, they had such shame that their dad could leave them. 68 00:04:30,660 --> 00:04:32,780 He'd come back and go mushroom hunting. 69 00:04:32,980 --> 00:04:37,680 He'd come back and go to ball games and never come to see his kids. 70 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:44,022 Jim's dad leaving seems to have been at least a 71 00:04:44,023 --> 00:04:47,541 beginning point of major trust issues in his life. 72 00:04:47,940 --> 00:04:54,880 He had a lot of insecurities due to the fact that he was 10 when his father left. 73 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,340 I think it devastated him. 74 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:06,980 I think, if I would be honest, having five kids and having to work so 75 00:05:06,981 --> 00:05:10,640 much, that the kids didn't always get the reassurance they needed. 76 00:05:10,641 --> 00:05:13,780 He didn't get all the attention he needed. 77 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:21,542 Growing up in a town like Jim Helwig did, 78 00:05:21,543 --> 00:05:23,600 there's sort of the haves and the have-nots. 79 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,560 And when his dad left and wasn't contributing financially to the family, 80 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,200 suddenly Jim finds himself as one of the have-nots. 81 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,840 Jim felt that a lot of people in the community looked down on him. 82 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:41,180 He also very definitively said, I'm going to show these people. 83 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,080 I'm going to do something with my life. 84 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:47,660 Which, you think about it, this is a 17-year-old who has embraced this I'm 85 00:05:47,661 --> 00:05:51,700 going to conquer the world attitude because of the way he feels that the 86 00:05:51,701 --> 00:05:54,400 people of his community had rejected him and his family. 87 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:04,680 He also then goes searching for an identity beyond his father. 88 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,620 And that's what ends up leading him to sports. 89 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,780 And Jim ends up meeting Gary Pate. 90 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,540 The first time I ever met Jim would be at football practice. 91 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:18,360 Back in 1975. 92 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,660 The first time I ever saw Jim was in this classroom right here. 93 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:27,000 All the team members were sitting in here. 94 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:33,800 Well, when you saw some of these kids, those guys were all about 6'2 and 220, 225. 95 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:40,780 And Jim looked to be about, at that time, 5'10 and 125. 96 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:45,460 I'm sure he probably might have weighed more, but he didn't look like it. 97 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,412 As the year went on, he found out that I 98 00:06:49,424 --> 00:06:52,260 would be in the weight room when I had time. 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,720 He'd ask if he could come in with me, and I'd say, sure, yeah. 100 00:06:56,060 --> 00:06:57,620 Come in and lift all you want. 101 00:06:57,740 --> 00:07:01,120 And we would lift, and he would be intense about his lifting. 102 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:07,220 You have Jim and Gary, who for about three years end up lifting together on sort of a 103 00:07:07,221 --> 00:07:10,060 cruddy old lifting machine in their high school. 104 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:14,840 This is how he learned to bond with people, especially with paternal figures, 105 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:17,400 working out with them and lifting with them. 106 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,320 By his senior year, Jim was utterly fascinated with bodybuilding, and he was 107 00:07:24,321 --> 00:07:28,080 constantly trying to get his hands on bodybuilding magazines and materials. 108 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,020 He would apparently be looking at these magazines and say things like, 109 00:07:33,140 --> 00:07:35,140 I can't wait till I'm this massive. 110 00:07:36,140 --> 00:07:40,240 He had the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster in his room, you know, he'd have his easy 111 00:07:40,241 --> 00:07:47,361 curl bar in there, and we'd be pumping iron facing the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster. 112 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:49,400 You know, and like, get it. 113 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:50,820 You know? 114 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,080 He knew that he needed to seek his own ambitions, so he wasn't stuck in that 115 00:07:57,081 --> 00:07:59,476 rural area because we were either going to a farm or working in a factory. 116 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:02,540 But he didn't have no desire to do either one of them for a living. 117 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,727 Jim's pursuit of a bodybuilding career 118 00:08:07,739 --> 00:08:11,500 seems to have manifested in the early 1980s. 119 00:08:11,501 --> 00:08:16,000 But he makes a move over to Georgia because he feels like there is, 120 00:08:16,001 --> 00:08:19,720 you know, a better opportunity for the professional bodybuilding scene. 121 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,080 During that time in Georgia, he meets his future wife, Sherry. 122 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,200 They get married. 123 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:27,340 You know, he gets married pretty young. 124 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,780 He goes down to Atlanta to try to start this career. 125 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,825 You know, he's sort of going through the stations of, 126 00:08:31,826 --> 00:08:34,500 like, what growing up and entering adulthood looks like. 127 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,500 And by 1984, he's made the move to definitively 128 00:08:39,501 --> 00:08:42,660 try to get himself into competition shape. 129 00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:47,940 And he does so and manages to win a pretty significant competition in 1984. 130 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:49,680 He wins Mr. Georgia. 131 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:55,640 I knew that it would serve me well to make my body different from everybody else, 132 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,460 like a comic book character who just walked off the pages. 133 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:04,040 He was dedicated, and he had a goal where he wanted to go with this lifting. 134 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,137 He never said, I'm going to be the world champion WWE and 135 00:09:09,138 --> 00:09:12,480 I'm going to pick up Andre the Giant and body slam him. 136 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:19,440 But he did say, I will one of these days be a person that people will remember. 137 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:22,920 He said, I'll guarantee you that people will remember me. 138 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,720 Today I'm boxing with my coach. 139 00:09:34,220 --> 00:09:35,320 I love boxing. 140 00:09:35,460 --> 00:09:36,200 I feel like my dad. 141 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:38,300 I feel strong and powerful when I do it. 142 00:09:39,460 --> 00:09:41,420 I love the intensity that comes out. 143 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:43,560 The release from it feels like him. 144 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:45,620 I would hear him screaming out in the gym. 145 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,240 I'm like, I'm a little bit like him when I'm in the gym. 146 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:54,071 Coming from my background, growing up in a town of 600 147 00:09:54,072 --> 00:09:56,881 people, I stumbled into the weight room we had at our school. 148 00:09:56,940 --> 00:09:57,940 Run of a kid. 149 00:09:58,560 --> 00:09:59,760 Scared of my own shadow. 150 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,260 And I started gaining weight really quick. 151 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,880 And when I started gaining weight and putting size on my body, I thought to 152 00:10:07,881 --> 00:10:10,440 myself, well, I can change my life in other ways. 153 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 It's something that I can strive to get better at. 154 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,672 And I can look back at my younger self and think 155 00:10:17,673 --> 00:10:19,540 like, oh, I thought I was so good back then. 156 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,920 And then you climb the wall and you get better and better. 157 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:28,740 Well, in terms of becoming a wrestler, never say never. 158 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:35,760 So I scheduled an appointment with the high school counselor. 159 00:10:36,390 --> 00:10:39,443 15 seconds after I started telling her what I wanted to do, 160 00:10:39,444 --> 00:10:42,300 she put her hand up to my face about 10 inches away from it. 161 00:10:42,590 --> 00:10:46,780 And she said, put that silly stuff away and let me tell you what you need to do. 162 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:51,360 This summer, you need to get a job at the factory. 163 00:10:51,540 --> 00:10:52,580 Do a good job. 164 00:10:52,780 --> 00:10:54,380 Come back and finish your senior year. 165 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:57,180 And when you graduate, you should be able to get a full-time job. 166 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,420 Now, what else can I help you with? 167 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,160 For any bodybuilder, when you build your body, it's like putting on your armor. 168 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,895 You know, you're building your muscle, which is your 169 00:11:12,896 --> 00:11:16,400 armor, to protect yourself from who you are really inside. 170 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,840 You can be this insecure person, but now you're, you know, 240, 171 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,320 250 pounds, you know, muscle. 172 00:11:23,620 --> 00:11:26,780 It totally makes sense that someone without a male role model who's in search 173 00:11:26,781 --> 00:11:29,530 of what masculinity means to them, it makes sense 174 00:11:29,531 --> 00:11:32,180 that they would look at this world of bodybuilding. 175 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,020 In the 80s, I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine if you weren't there. 176 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,360 But bodybuilding was a huge deal. 177 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,644 There was really only one person everyone was 178 00:11:44,645 --> 00:11:47,341 talking about, and that was Arnold Schwarzenegger. 179 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:51,860 He was in the movie Pumping Iron, and those images became iconic. 180 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:56,740 Arnold Schwarzenegger becomes a huge star. 181 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:00,640 I mean, arguably the biggest star in Hollywood. 182 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:03,300 How did he get there? 183 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:07,540 It wasn't just, hey, let me go to acting school and become this movie star. 184 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,020 It was, oh, he goes to the gym all the time, and he never quits. 185 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,940 Jim says, I can do that. 186 00:12:14,260 --> 00:12:17,220 But if you really want to make it, you've got to move to California. 187 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Gold's Gym Venice in the 80s became the mecca. 188 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:29,060 Gold's Gym became the standard for anyone who wanted to become a bodybuilder. 189 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:47,350 I contacted Jim, and I invited him out to California to train for his next contest, 190 00:12:47,630 --> 00:12:49,350 because I thought he had a lot of potential. 191 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:53,773 Ed introduced me to Jim, saying, here's a young 192 00:12:53,774 --> 00:12:55,430 guy who's trying to win the national team. 193 00:12:56,070 --> 00:13:00,010 My first house in Venice was just two blocks from the gym, so the guys would 194 00:13:00,011 --> 00:13:02,046 stay at the house and they would learn from each other. 195 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:05,230 You knew how they trained or what they ate or what they took for supplements. 196 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:10,926 Ed one day came into this gym, and he wanted 197 00:13:10,927 --> 00:13:13,390 me to let this big dude come in and train. 198 00:13:13,610 --> 00:13:14,850 This guy was a giant, you know? 199 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,560 He wasn't just big, he was kind of freaky. 200 00:13:17,050 --> 00:13:19,430 He had a freaky build, a freaky physique. 201 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:21,373 And when he walked through the room or through 202 00:13:21,393 --> 00:13:23,510 the gym or anywhere else, people went... 203 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:27,810 He was a giant. 204 00:13:27,811 --> 00:13:30,122 Performance enhancing drugs and steroids were definitely 205 00:13:30,123 --> 00:13:31,790 in fashion when it came to the world of bodybuilding. 206 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:37,050 Steroids were part of the regiment of what you took to be a pro bodybuilder. 207 00:13:37,330 --> 00:13:41,830 What it did is it gave you the ability to basically be in an anabolic state. 208 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:45,230 You can train hours in the gym and not break down. 209 00:13:45,605 --> 00:13:47,930 But the thing was, is they were legal back then. 210 00:13:48,070 --> 00:13:52,190 You can actually have access to go to a pharmacy and just buy them on your own. 211 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:55,890 I think if people were to open my refrigerator, 212 00:13:55,891 --> 00:13:57,510 they would have probably been shocked. 213 00:13:57,750 --> 00:13:59,970 You know, most of the steroids have to be refrigerated. 214 00:14:00,050 --> 00:14:03,570 So some of my family members would visit, and so when they pulled out the fruit 215 00:14:03,571 --> 00:14:05,291 drawer, they got something other than fruit. 216 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:11,340 Then you can get it done, right? 217 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:13,820 So I got up the courage one day. 218 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,140 I weighed about 175 pounds. 219 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:17,233 I go up to this guy as he's leaving the gym, and I tapped him 220 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,820 on the shoulder, and I said, can I ask you about steroids? 221 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,664 Before I even got the word steroid out of my mouth, 222 00:14:22,665 --> 00:14:25,200 he turned around, the guy just towered over me. 223 00:14:25,201 --> 00:14:27,782 He said, before I ever heard about steroids, 224 00:14:27,794 --> 00:14:30,041 I was number three in the whole world. 225 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,031 But when you get up there in that upper 226 00:14:32,032 --> 00:14:33,860 epsilon, there may be a different set of rules. 227 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:37,780 And what he was telling me as a young punk kid of only 18 years old, he was saying, 228 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,778 you get there, you do what it takes to get there, 229 00:14:40,779 --> 00:14:42,960 and then you worry about making that decision. 230 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,020 I weighed 295 pounds before I ever touched them. 231 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,500 That's the story about steroids. 232 00:14:48,860 --> 00:14:50,300 And you better get that story right. 233 00:14:52,780 --> 00:14:56,040 And the next competitor is Jim Helwig. 234 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,240 You know, guys like Jim, who, you know, I saw as this big guy, you would think he 235 00:15:01,241 --> 00:15:03,560 would become a, you know, a great pro bodybuilder. 236 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:08,840 Jim's goals back then was basically, I think, to make money and have a great job. 237 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:11,420 You only made money when you were a top pro. 238 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,747 But if you didn't place and win the nationals or you didn't win the Mr. 239 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:17,720 USAs, you really weren't gonna make money. 240 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,080 On some level, he had to come to the realization that just being a great 241 00:15:23,081 --> 00:15:26,580 bodybuilder in and of itself was not going to make him rich and famous. 242 00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:32,260 I guess his path was to go more towards becoming a professional wrestler, 243 00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:34,960 you know, where he saw money to be made. 244 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:40,240 In the early 80s, wrestling was a big deal. 245 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,280 It was on TV a lot. 246 00:15:42,170 --> 00:15:43,956 The wrestlers were trained at Gold's Gym Venice. 247 00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:46,225 So we actually formed our own then Gold's Gym 248 00:15:46,226 --> 00:15:48,320 team, which was composed of two tag teams. 249 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:53,280 Out of the four, we had, you know, a big monster that just disappeared one day. 250 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:56,500 And I said, hey, I remember meeting this guy, Jim Hellwig. 251 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:58,240 He had just won a bodybuilding competition. 252 00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:58,940 He's huge. 253 00:15:59,420 --> 00:16:00,420 We should call him. 254 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,160 When I talked with Jim, I explained that we had lost the big member of our team, 255 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:05,880 and he'd be perfect for it. 256 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:07,180 He said, what does it pay? 257 00:16:07,340 --> 00:16:09,240 And when I told him $100 a night, he said, 258 00:16:09,241 --> 00:16:11,981 well, that's more money than I'm making now. 259 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:13,240 We sent out press kits. 260 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,940 We got one phone call back. 261 00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:18,380 It was about three days later, but we got a phone call back from Jerry Jarrett. 262 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:20,966 He said, yeah, I'm looking at a picture, and I got four guys 263 00:16:21,026 --> 00:16:23,280 in this picture, but he says, I can only use two of them. 264 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:24,480 Well, which two do you want? 265 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:27,820 He goes, I want the two guys to the far left in this picture I'm looking at. 266 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,381 So we got in the car, my 83 T-bird, and we left 267 00:16:30,382 --> 00:16:32,741 California, and we drove out to Nashville, Tennessee. 268 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,160 And that's where it started. 269 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,080 Right now, we would like to welcome in a couple of brand-new faces to championship 270 00:16:40,081 --> 00:16:42,960 wrestling, a couple of guys you're gonna get to know and know well, too. 271 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,800 We're talking about the Freedom Fighters, Jim Hellwig. 272 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Jim, glad to have you here, and Steve Borden. 273 00:16:47,935 --> 00:16:49,460 Steve, glad to have you guys here. 274 00:16:49,540 --> 00:16:50,940 This is your first time out here. 275 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,220 We want to get a little background on you. 276 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,380 How about you guys married? 277 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,860 Have families or what? 278 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:57,740 No, we're single. 279 00:16:57,900 --> 00:16:58,500 We're looking forward to meeting y'all. 280 00:16:58,501 --> 00:16:59,080 You're both single? 281 00:16:59,380 --> 00:17:00,180 Yeah, we're single. 282 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:00,920 You hear that, girls? 283 00:17:01,060 --> 00:17:01,920 You're both single here. 284 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:03,020 I want to get that around. 285 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,600 My first reaction was, wow. 286 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,980 I saw two good-looking guys that were gonna draw the girls into the matches, 287 00:17:11,060 --> 00:17:12,816 and that's what it was all about for us back then. 288 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,520 Back in the day, we never told anybody they were married or you were engaged or 289 00:17:16,521 --> 00:17:19,500 anything else because it would hurt the girls from coming to the buildings. 290 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,480 They're young. 291 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,200 They still got a lot to learn in wrestling, but, boy, they're young. 292 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:25,140 They sure have got the physical attributes, baby. 293 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,080 There was no sort of gracefulness. 294 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,700 There was no slow and poetic storytelling. 295 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,141 It was just, boom, energy, and I'm coming, and 296 00:17:34,201 --> 00:17:35,960 I'm hitting you as hard as I can, and I'm leaving. 297 00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:38,760 It doesn't necessarily connect with the audience. 298 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:40,897 Like, why are we cheering for these good guys, just 299 00:17:40,898 --> 00:17:43,181 beating the snot out of these much smaller guys? 300 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,800 And so they had to make a shift because it wasn't working. 301 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:50,640 Our thought was, yeah, let's change, let's go heel, let's change our look, 302 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:53,620 and let's come up with something real, you know, kind of freaky-looking. 303 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,130 Ladies and gentlemen, the most awesome tag team in professional wrestling, the Pro. 304 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:13,680 Before long, Steve Borden and Jim Hellwig were repackaged into the Blade Runners. 305 00:18:14,540 --> 00:18:18,160 I think that they realized that intensity was what they had to offer. 306 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:21,800 So the promos that you would see were just guys working out. 307 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,640 They weren't saying anything, but it was just, we're super intense dudes, 308 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,560 and we can lift super heavy things, and sometimes we wear mascara. 309 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,920 The matches were horrible with those guys, and it was one of those situations where 310 00:18:39,921 --> 00:18:43,520 at the time, we could have taken them and maybe spent a lot of time and, 311 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:46,740 you know, put them in opening matches and tried to train them, but these guys 312 00:18:46,741 --> 00:18:49,941 already thought that they were ready for the big time just because of their look. 313 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,540 As Hellwig and Borden, working on Phil Higgerson, 314 00:18:54,541 --> 00:18:58,041 and now Buddy Wayne sluts him with that shoe. 315 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,420 Jim Hellwig had sort of reached this peak of physical perfection, right? 316 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,869 He goes to pro wrestling in search of fame and 317 00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:09,940 fortune, and then he sort of has to start over, right? 318 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:11,360 He has to start paying his dues. 319 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,760 He's not making any money. 320 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:13,320 He's traveling. 321 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,476 He's on the road all the time. 322 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,420 Ladies and gentlemen, the most awesome tag team in professional wrestling! 323 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:25,410 We were on, you know, the 4th of July, you know, a matinee show, evening show. 324 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:27,686 New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, Christmas Eve, 325 00:19:27,687 --> 00:19:29,410 Christmas Day, Easter Sunday, it didn't matter. 326 00:19:29,530 --> 00:19:30,750 We were doing two shows a day. 327 00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:32,550 This man is just so powerful. 328 00:19:34,510 --> 00:19:35,510 Punishing kicks. 329 00:19:35,710 --> 00:19:36,170 Things get tough. 330 00:19:36,190 --> 00:19:36,910 Things were so bad. 331 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:39,272 I was driving used taxi cabs that had like 332 00:19:39,273 --> 00:19:41,370 four or five hundred thousand miles on them. 333 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:42,430 It was just incredible. 334 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:43,570 Nice move by Brett. 335 00:19:44,190 --> 00:19:45,190 Drop kick. 336 00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:51,510 He was very much so, you know, opinionated kind of a guy, and, 337 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:55,190 you know, and he was not shy about sharing his opinion. 338 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:57,630 It didn't matter what the topic was, you know. 339 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:59,470 We actually walked away at one time. 340 00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:03,690 We walked out on our main event, and the next day I got a phone call. 341 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:05,190 You need to come up to Little Rock tonight. 342 00:20:05,191 --> 00:20:06,846 Bill's holding a couple of your paychecks. 343 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:09,750 You'll never get them unless you come and put a notice in and finish out. 344 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:12,358 So I said, okay, you know, let me try to get a 345 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,450 hold of Jim and see if we can make this happen. 346 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:15,750 I couldn't get Jim anywhere. 347 00:20:16,180 --> 00:20:20,550 So I went and did the show and came back, and the next day Jim was pretty hot. 348 00:20:20,740 --> 00:20:21,940 You know, like, what'd you do? 349 00:20:22,140 --> 00:20:23,140 What are you doing? 350 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,310 How could you do that to me? 351 00:20:24,330 --> 00:20:25,626 I said, Jim, what are you talking about? 352 00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:26,990 He was real pissed. 353 00:20:27,465 --> 00:20:29,566 And that ultimately ended up, you know, 354 00:20:29,567 --> 00:20:33,331 leading to, you know, us parting ways as well. 355 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:37,580 The Blade Runners, no doubt about it, are big, strong 356 00:20:37,581 --> 00:20:40,191 individuals, but I don't think they've got what it takes inside. 357 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:42,530 And I'm speaking of intestinal fortitude. 358 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:46,411 I think he just wanted to kind of go off on 359 00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:49,471 his own, and it ended up he was probably right. 360 00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:56,149 Hellwig decides he's going to leave, and he has 361 00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:59,371 an opening with WCCW over in the Dallas area. 362 00:20:59,870 --> 00:21:03,810 Welcome to World Class Championship Wrestling, the major league of 363 00:21:03,811 --> 00:21:07,270 professional wrestling, seen around the world and across this great nation. 364 00:21:09,030 --> 00:21:14,410 WCCW had really an international following of sorts because 365 00:21:14,411 --> 00:21:17,810 the Von Eriks were like a first family of wrestling. 366 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:24,130 They had an audience that was very unique in the history of wrestling, and a large 367 00:21:24,131 --> 00:21:27,182 percentage of the audience was women, and it was all 368 00:21:27,183 --> 00:21:29,790 about really good-looking guys with great bodies. 369 00:21:30,365 --> 00:21:36,450 So Jim comes in, and, I mean, Jim is, like, perfect for that specific audience. 370 00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:41,530 I remember the first night I drove in there, they came up to me and said, 371 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:44,230 Warrior, he's got a warrior thing about him or something like that. 372 00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:45,530 Then somebody came in. 373 00:21:45,550 --> 00:21:47,422 He had a little puppy, a new puppy, and they 374 00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:49,150 were asking him what kind of dog it was. 375 00:21:49,230 --> 00:21:50,230 He said, Dingo. 376 00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:54,970 And somebody just, you know, somebody that was, you know, not quite sober yet said, 377 00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:57,090 Dingo, Dingo Warrior, that'll work. 378 00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:58,130 We'll do that tonight. 379 00:21:58,990 --> 00:22:01,190 So that was the beginning of the Dingo Warrior thing. 380 00:22:01,370 --> 00:22:06,130 From Queens, New York, 287 pounds, the Dingo Warrior. 381 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:10,150 He was billed as being from Queens, New York. 382 00:22:10,410 --> 00:22:12,210 So there's no dingoes in Queens. 383 00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:13,350 Dingoes are Australian. 384 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:18,370 And the word dingo is just a ridiculous, silly word. 385 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:21,470 It just sounds hilarious and not intimidating. 386 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:29,590 Look at the awesome physical beauty of the Dingo Warrior. 387 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:32,190 I'll tell you, Brian, this crowd's behind him, too, 100%. 388 00:22:32,550 --> 00:22:35,390 So you bring any freaking nature you want to to world class. 389 00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:38,810 Because believe me, brother, I've looked in the eyes of darkness before. 390 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:40,950 And I'm not scared of it. 391 00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:43,230 And I never will be with the warriors behind my back. 392 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:50,710 As the Dingo Warrior, Jim Hellwig gets a noticeable following in WCCW. 393 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:56,210 Follow the Dingo Man. 394 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,400 It was very obvious to me that the business, it was going in a direction 395 00:23:03,401 --> 00:23:06,420 where it wasn't so much like Dick the Bruiser and the Crusher, those kinds of 396 00:23:06,421 --> 00:23:09,380 wrestlers that I remembered as a kid growing up with in Indiana. 397 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,580 And that something different was going on with it. 398 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,800 You know, I was painting the logo on my face. 399 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,320 Dingo Warrior, to me, was the poor version of the Ultimate Warrior. 400 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,060 I didn't really have much money to spend on that kind of stuff. 401 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,560 But it just grew, man. 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,520 It really turned into something really fantastic. 403 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,100 And here's a man of awesome proportions who has to be counted on to be one of the 404 00:23:30,101 --> 00:23:32,520 major influences in professional wrestling today. 405 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,880 Duke has won Dingo! 406 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:49,130 So Jim returns to the Fountain Central 10-year reunion. 407 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:53,650 He has not only won Mr. Georgia, but he has also become the Dingo Warrior. 408 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:55,170 He's enormous. 409 00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:59,330 280 pounds, solid muscle. 410 00:24:00,370 --> 00:24:03,628 This was not a coming back to sort of mend fences 411 00:24:03,629 --> 00:24:06,210 or to connect with people he didn't connect with. 412 00:24:06,290 --> 00:24:09,384 His whole take was, if you had been his friend in 413 00:24:09,424 --> 00:24:11,730 his youth, come sit with me, we're going to hang out. 414 00:24:11,731 --> 00:24:15,590 And for those people who tried to be more chummy with him, that had not given him 415 00:24:15,591 --> 00:24:17,810 the time of day in his youth, he had no interest. 416 00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:22,336 He won a couple bottles of champagne for the person that 417 00:24:22,337 --> 00:24:25,750 had changed the most and the person that drove the furthest. 418 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:28,574 And I remember him opening the champagne and having us 419 00:24:28,575 --> 00:24:30,771 all drink a little bit of it, you know, celebrating. 420 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:33,350 Just our reunion together as friends. 421 00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:36,790 He didn't forget where he came from, okay? 422 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:38,930 Jim was a loyal friend. 423 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:41,990 If you hung in there with him, he hung in there with you. 424 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:49,260 Now with the pin, two, three, the Devo Jack Victory. 425 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:53,380 Jim Hellwig was a remarkably creative human being. 426 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,728 Part of it is the look, and I think part of it 427 00:24:56,729 --> 00:25:00,281 as well is the fact that he's just different. 428 00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:04,533 When Vince McMahon sees Jim Hellwig in 1987, he sees the 429 00:25:04,534 --> 00:25:07,096 picture-perfect mold for what he's putting out there. 430 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:12,101 He sees there's definitely something there, but I'm going to make this thing my own. 431 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,620 The power of the ultimate... 432 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:24,330 In the territory days, the WWE was just the New York territory. 433 00:25:24,650 --> 00:25:27,470 The recognized symbol of excellence in sports entertainment. 434 00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:36,371 By the time people of my age bracket were invested, the WWE had become the territory. 435 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:41,930 They were hitting cable TV, being seen all over the world. 436 00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:47,198 Vince McMahon is as responsible for the success of 437 00:25:47,199 --> 00:25:50,151 the WWE as anyone is for the success of anything. 438 00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:55,730 This is this guy who took everything his father started and said, that's great, 439 00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:59,411 I like what you're doing here, but what if we took over the world with it? 440 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,590 And Dingo is the winner! 441 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:07,970 So Jim Hellwig as the Dingo Warrior is in WCCW, and Vince McMahon takes one look at 442 00:26:07,971 --> 00:26:10,310 him and he says, okay, I'll give that guy a shot. 443 00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:12,650 The ultimate warrior. 444 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:16,690 The ultimate warrior was a Vince McMahon. 445 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:17,850 Vince McMahon creation. 446 00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:22,325 His first attempt to create a star once he 447 00:26:22,326 --> 00:26:25,650 already had all the eyeballs on his company. 448 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:27,690 He's a strong, powerful man. 449 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:31,166 There's something Vince told me at one time, and I'll always remember this, 450 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:32,509 but he sat down with me and he said, you know, 451 00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:33,750 Jimmy, I'm looking for my next attraction. 452 00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:35,630 Somebody bigger than life. 453 00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:38,004 Somebody that can walk through any airport in the world and 454 00:26:38,005 --> 00:26:41,690 even a casual wrestling fan will go, oh my God, look who it is. 455 00:26:42,090 --> 00:26:46,370 The power of the warrior flowing through those... Oh, what a clothesline! 456 00:26:47,490 --> 00:26:53,211 He was the only person that would run, and I mean top speed, all the way to the ring. 457 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,460 You had the Hulkamania with the red and yellow, the bright colors, the tan, 458 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:08,205 and all of a sudden you got a guy come in, but 459 00:27:08,229 --> 00:27:10,320 instead of red and yellow, he's got neon on. 460 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:18,670 Except for Hulk Hogan, he was the most popular guy they had. 461 00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:19,830 Very quickly. 462 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:22,553 The audience would react to him, they started reacting 463 00:27:22,577 --> 00:27:24,410 to him very well, and I thought, hmm, okay then. 464 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,750 Maybe we do have something here. 465 00:27:26,030 --> 00:27:28,350 What an impressive showing he is by the way. 466 00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:29,370 The ultimate warrior. 467 00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:32,930 You can see that he's on a clear trajectory. 468 00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:35,423 That Vince is like writing this script that will 469 00:27:35,424 --> 00:27:37,890 put him following in the footsteps of Hulk Hogan. 470 00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:45,750 Ladies and gentlemen, this contest is for the Intercontinental Championship. 471 00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:49,850 Honky Tonk Man's gonna defend the Intercontinental Championship. 472 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:53,270 Get me somebody out of here! 473 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:56,210 Against an unnamed opponent. 474 00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:58,850 And you're waiting to hear who it's gonna be. 475 00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:00,970 And that music hits. 476 00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:10,840 I mean, as Gorilla Monsoon says, pandemonium. 477 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,000 Here at the CineGram, we include... 478 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:14,380 It's the ultimate warrior! 479 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:23,710 I remember what it felt like, man. 480 00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:27,850 It was f***ing awesome, you know. 481 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:31,550 Ultimate warrior exploding! 482 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:38,650 It was just non-stop energy for less than 30 seconds. 483 00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:40,451 And there was a new Intercontinental Champion. 484 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:48,880 It just shocked the wrestling world. 485 00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:50,020 Nobody expected it, right? 486 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,456 Because we'd had the belt for over a year. 487 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,360 And I think that's what really gave him the little rocket that he needed. 488 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:55,860 It is unbelievable! 489 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,620 A newly crowned Intercontinental Champion! 490 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:07,940 It was just another critical step in him becoming the biggest wrestler in WWE. 491 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:11,280 Take the safe robbery! 492 00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:12,820 I'm gonna take it. 493 00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:14,220 There you go. 494 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,300 Thanks a lot, man. 495 00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:23,300 This is WWE letting the world know this is the next guy. 496 00:29:23,665 --> 00:29:25,545 This is this guy that you think might be a star. 497 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:27,220 He is a superstar. 498 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:30,500 Please welcome the man known as the ultimate warrior. 499 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:38,200 I think the ultimate warrior was a great match for the late 80s, early 90s. 500 00:29:38,201 --> 00:29:40,739 Everything was about being as big and strong 501 00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:42,880 and bombastic as a character as possible. 502 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240 He was a cartoon character come to life. 503 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,400 So my earliest memories of the ultimate warrior are of this, like, madman covered 504 00:29:50,401 --> 00:29:55,180 in tassels and of a doll that I wanted to cuddle and take to bed with me. 505 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:09,060 Now because he is successful, now he's got that target on his back. 506 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,540 This guy's only been in the business for five years. 507 00:30:13,865 --> 00:30:15,800 I've been in this business for 20 years. 508 00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,660 What dues did he pay? 509 00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,440 There's all that going on in the locker room. 510 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,700 I got the sense that he really was a loner. 511 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,460 Warrior was very much at times an overgrown kid. 512 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,540 Having known a lot of his personal life, he never really got to be a kid. 513 00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:32,780 You know, came from a broken home. 514 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,860 Had to grow up and mature quickly. 515 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,421 So I do think that the warrior character, that's why he fell 516 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:42,760 in love with it so much because it was an extension of him. 517 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,925 And he got to escape and do those things and 518 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:48,061 live probably a lot of things he never got to do. 519 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,580 We were in town. 520 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:57,000 I mean, it only made sense that they look, you know, come home and let's have dinner, 521 00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:57,520 you know. 522 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:01,620 And my wife would fix dinner and it was a breath of fresh air to have him there. 523 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,880 It was so different, you know. 524 00:31:02,881 --> 00:31:05,340 And he really wanted that environment. 525 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:08,160 You could tell he was attracted to that environment. 526 00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:17,580 There was very few people that were invited to come over to my parents' house. 527 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,360 Would he help do the dishes? 528 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:22,700 You know what? 529 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,360 If he was asked, he would have. 530 00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:26,200 He would definitely do the dishes. 531 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,440 He was just that type of guy. 532 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:33,480 My dad was a father figure to many and definitely was to Warrior. 533 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,480 And I think it was just that family dynamic that Jim always aspired to have. 534 00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:52,900 They end up having Warrior feud with Andre the Giant, who had previously been the 535 00:31:52,901 --> 00:31:55,020 most beloved wrestler, maybe, on the planet. 536 00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:02,660 You see, the ultimate maniac has felt these large hands around his neck. 537 00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:06,020 He is feeling right now the Intercontinental 538 00:32:06,032 --> 00:32:08,640 Championship slipping off his waist. 539 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,740 One of the big values of Andre the Giant was that if somebody beats him or if 540 00:32:14,741 --> 00:32:17,540 somebody can slam him, they're a household name. 541 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,245 And Hulk Hogan body slamming Andre the Giant at 542 00:32:20,246 --> 00:32:24,460 WrestleMania III is the thing that set Hulkamania in motion. 543 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,420 Look at this! 544 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,180 He slammed the Giant! 545 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:31,504 And you, Andre the Giant, will realize that the power will 546 00:32:31,505 --> 00:32:35,520 become the eighth one in the world as we eat you alive! 547 00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:42,140 Andre never did anything he didn't want to do. 548 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:44,720 It was frightening the first time he told me to slam him. 549 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:55,870 I knew what it meant to the character, Ultimate Warrior, and how much over that 550 00:32:55,871 --> 00:32:58,230 character would be by being allowed to do that. 551 00:33:03,370 --> 00:33:06,970 So now you're able to really think of, like, Ultimate Warrior. 552 00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:08,630 He's on the same level as Hulk Hogan. 553 00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,740 Because up until that moment, the greatest thing Hulk 554 00:33:10,741 --> 00:33:12,751 Hogan had ever achieved was beating Andre the Giant. 555 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:14,990 Well, now Ultimate Warrior's beating Andre the Giant. 556 00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:16,770 You slammed Andre. 557 00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:19,090 I slammed Andre. 558 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:24,250 You can beat everybody else on the roster, but after you slam Andre the Giant, 559 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,650 there's only one place left to go, and that's Hulk Hogan. 560 00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:43,125 There, you didn't cry for Santa. 561 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:45,330 You were too little. 562 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,110 It's been seven years since we lost Warrior, and now we're actually able to 563 00:33:51,111 --> 00:33:54,650 look at the memories and enjoy them and revel in them and laugh. 564 00:33:56,030 --> 00:34:00,730 Warrior's role at Christmastime was, like, the biggest elf you've ever met. 565 00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:01,870 And he'd negotiate. 566 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:02,170 Didn't he? 567 00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:02,890 Negotiate. 568 00:34:02,891 --> 00:34:03,370 He would negotiate. 569 00:34:03,371 --> 00:34:05,130 There was a lot of negotiation on Christmas. 570 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:05,770 Absolutely. 571 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:07,470 About what you guys deserved. 572 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:07,970 Yes. 573 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,359 Every morning on Christmas, we'd wake up with a note 574 00:34:10,434 --> 00:34:13,150 about what we should improve on for the next year. 575 00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:13,390 Yep. 576 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,066 Because next year it might be cold. 577 00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:16,090 And it was detailed. 578 00:34:16,150 --> 00:34:18,890 It was scary, but then you had to get over it and you'd get present. 579 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:20,070 And I was like, wait, this is dad's hair now. 580 00:34:20,071 --> 00:34:21,071 I'm glad. 581 00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:28,150 For me and the girls, it's about his legacy as a father. 582 00:34:28,565 --> 00:34:30,930 But for millions of fans, it will always be 583 00:34:30,931 --> 00:34:34,571 about what he did in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 584 00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:39,470 I think it's pretty incredible to imagine he only had five years in the business and 585 00:34:39,471 --> 00:34:43,610 he was tasked with the job of replacing a veritable legend. 586 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:48,390 Hulk Hogan in the 80s literally was wrestling. 587 00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:52,350 He was just a And just remember Hulkamania was running wild. 588 00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:52,790 Crazy. 589 00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:53,890 Thank you, Hulk. 590 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:59,048 He ushered in a new, larger than life, almost 591 00:34:59,049 --> 00:35:02,210 cartoonish era of professional wrestling. 592 00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:07,245 Hulk Hogan over the six years leading to WrestleMania 593 00:35:07,246 --> 00:35:10,050 VI had turned Hulkamania into a phenomenon. 594 00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:16,030 I am a real American Remember what's going on in the ring? 595 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:17,350 Hulk is posing. 596 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:19,146 We're in a celebration We want a celebration mood. 597 00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:21,110 We want the opposite of that, okay? 598 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,935 Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior at the 599 00:35:23,936 --> 00:35:26,430 time, they're your top good guys in the WWE. 600 00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:31,590 So when they start to flirt with this idea that there may be some animosity between 601 00:35:31,591 --> 00:35:34,270 Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior, you're going, wait a minute. 602 00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:40,881 Balea and Helwig had a rivalry with one another, and they 603 00:35:40,882 --> 00:35:44,350 had a mutual professional jealousy, which made sense. 604 00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:50,785 How could there not be professional envy and 605 00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:53,770 jealousy between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior? 606 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:56,290 Another elbow into the Hulkster's chest! 607 00:35:56,650 --> 00:36:01,190 Ultimate Warrior was designed to replace Hulk Hogan. 608 00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:03,090 How could Hulk Hogan not resent that? 609 00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:04,970 Why don't my eyes run to the ring? 610 00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:06,170 The Ultimate Warrior! 611 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,120 Why don't I understand the Warrior's thinking on this? 612 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,660 Why should he run to the ring and save Hogan? 613 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,480 How could Warrior not resent that? 614 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:19,736 Why should he not resent Hulk Hogan? 615 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,220 If you're gonna compete with somebody for the number one spot, by design, 616 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,640 you have to think, here's why I'm better than that person. 617 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,840 Wait a minute. 618 00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:31,220 What's going on? 619 00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,735 The very nature of that competition between the two is 620 00:36:34,736 --> 00:36:37,580 going to breed envy and jealousy between the two of them. 621 00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:41,520 Both champions, Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior, want to be sure the 622 00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:45,260 other is healthy for Sunday afternoon, April 1st, the World Wrestling Federation 623 00:36:45,261 --> 00:36:47,760 Champion against the Intercontinental Champion. 624 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,120 This was a big topic of conversation among 11-year-olds. 625 00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:56,180 Who's gonna win Ultimate Warrior to Hulk Hogan? 626 00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,220 I mean, for us, this was like, you know, Magic vs. 627 00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:58,680 Bird. 628 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,100 At the end of WrestleMania, it'll be the Hulkster and God they still trust. 629 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,080 The official signing of the match at WrestleMania. 630 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,600 Look into my eyes, Hulk Hogan! 631 00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:15,940 You see nothingness! 632 00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:20,940 Jim, always give me a little pause there. 633 00:37:20,941 --> 00:37:24,020 I think when you finish off, you know, count to two before you... 634 00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:29,940 Warrior not only has to step into the ring with Hogan, has to carry the main event 635 00:37:29,941 --> 00:37:33,680 with Hogan, has to live up to the box office expectations with Hogan. 636 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,680 It's gonna beat Hogan? 637 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,180 The pressure on Warrior to deliver. 638 00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:46,940 It's mind-boggling to think that pressure didn't crush him. 639 00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:49,920 The Ultimate Warrior! 640 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,580 Listen to the ovation! 641 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:54,700 You 642 00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:04,630 can't build to a match like this and then go for five minutes. 643 00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:09,650 So this became a test of, okay, now that we've got Hulk Hogan and the 644 00:38:09,651 --> 00:38:15,010 Ultimate Warrior together, can we have these guys do a 25-minute match? 645 00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:18,550 Can we do a match where a real story is being told? 646 00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:21,050 You can bet the adrenaline is already floating. 647 00:38:21,051 --> 00:38:22,051 And here we go. 648 00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:23,110 Warrior 649 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,560 learned a lot from Hulk Hogan. 650 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:34,140 But there's always that little piece, you want to be the top dog. 651 00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:35,820 And Warrior was hungry for it. 652 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:42,240 They both get their time to shine. 653 00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:42,860 Unbelievable! 654 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,300 Hogan has never had anyone do that! 655 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,772 And they both get that moment where, as a fan, you're 656 00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:49,761 like, well, this is the moment where Hulk wins. 657 00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,540 That moment that we've all seen before. 658 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,380 Hulk Hogan is hitting the ropes. 659 00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,140 He's dropping a leg. 660 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,080 He... Oh! 661 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,400 He moved out of the way! 662 00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:06,100 Look out, the big splash! 663 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,280 One, two! 664 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000 He got him! 665 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:18,050 Hulk Hogan was still hot in 90, okay? 666 00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:22,610 When he takes that Warrior pin right in the middle of the ring, no funny business, 667 00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:26,310 and loses outright to the Warrior and makes Warrior king. 668 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:31,460 This is not the same as doing that for 669 00:39:31,472 --> 00:39:34,210 someone when you are clearly on the way down. 670 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:35,530 Oh, look at this! 671 00:39:35,531 --> 00:39:39,810 Hulk presented the belt and raised the hand of the Warrior! 672 00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:45,710 That was both Hogan and the company anointing somebody new. 673 00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:50,330 And it was a major deal to be able to beat Hulk Hogan. 674 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,690 I think Jim was idolized. 675 00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:58,490 That filled something up inside of him that he needed. 676 00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:05,690 Other people, you know, that have said, you know, Warrior never respected the business. 677 00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:08,570 You know, he just wanted to get in, make a paycheck, get out. 678 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:09,690 That was not true. 679 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:13,096 Warrior came back through the curtain after 680 00:40:13,097 --> 00:40:15,951 that match with Hogan and completely broke down. 681 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:17,210 You know, emotionally. 682 00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:23,350 He was finally at the very pinnacle of the business that he worked so hard to get to. 683 00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:29,830 The fact that I took the belt from Hulk in the way that I did with the clean finish, 684 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:33,670 I mean, the weight of that. 685 00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:39,710 You know, that saying about it's not the destination, it's the journey. 686 00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:40,790 It's true for me. 687 00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,230 I was so emotional after it happened. 688 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:46,330 But within a day or two, I was thinking, what's next? 689 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,790 At WrestleMania, Warrior, you lived up to the ultimate challenge. 690 00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:55,070 And then some. 691 00:40:55,290 --> 00:40:58,150 But now, you face a challenge of a different kind. 692 00:40:58,570 --> 00:41:02,292 The Ultimate Warrior title reign as World Champion 693 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,430 was in some ways actually the beginning of the end. 694 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,090 I can feel it! 695 00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:13,170 I can feel that I have been chosen. 696 00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:16,670 He was pure kinetic energy, right? 697 00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:21,010 And the story that they told was a missile being shot into space. 698 00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:23,530 The climb is exhilarating. 699 00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:26,950 But once you get there, the story just sort of fizzles. 700 00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:28,950 They didn't set up the right guys for him. 701 00:41:29,050 --> 00:41:30,710 And it did not get him off on the right track. 702 00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:33,910 The first thing they do is they brought in Rick Rude. 703 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:34,770 He was a retread. 704 00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:36,410 Warrior had already beaten him before. 705 00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:38,450 He had matches with The Undertaker. 706 00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:39,250 You're scared! 707 00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:40,950 And you're going to be scared! 708 00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:41,350 Oh, wait a minute! 709 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:42,410 You're going to be scared! 710 00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:44,850 Not in there! 711 00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:46,510 Not in the casket! 712 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:49,750 And it ends up going into Jake the Snake Roberts. 713 00:41:50,110 --> 00:41:51,690 What do you think about that, Warrior? 714 00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:54,310 Just a few friends of mine, huh? 715 00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:56,810 What if I tap the flexing glass? 716 00:41:56,910 --> 00:41:57,170 Strike. 717 00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:57,970 Here it comes. 718 00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:59,170 Tapping counter. 719 00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:06,890 Warrior's walking around in that locker room with eyes in the back of his head. 720 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,530 You got guys that are jealous of him. 721 00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:14,530 In front of the cameras, in front of the fans, that was Warrior's safe haven. 722 00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:15,770 That was never the issue. 723 00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:20,082 But when he had to walk back into that locker 724 00:42:20,083 --> 00:42:23,370 room, he knew exactly what he was dealing with. 725 00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:24,806 That's where the pressure came. 726 00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:25,290 Hang on. 727 00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:25,850 Hang on. 728 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:26,930 Keep his attention, folks. 729 00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:27,430 Keep his attention. 730 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:28,010 There you go. 731 00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:29,070 We see him now. 732 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,014 I don't think you really know if somebody's 733 00:42:31,015 --> 00:42:32,670 up to the job until they get there, right? 734 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:35,007 I don't know what expectations Vince had set and 735 00:42:35,008 --> 00:42:37,010 what the Ultimate Warrior wasn't living up to. 736 00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:40,530 Something had to be telling Vince McMahon that this project 737 00:42:40,531 --> 00:42:43,271 wasn't succeeding to the degree that he had hoped that it would. 738 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,140 Immediately, it was like, okay, the decision is to get the belt back on 739 00:42:58,141 --> 00:42:59,886 Hogan because Warrior didn't draw good enough. 740 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:03,880 But at the time, I think everybody figured that Warrior was gonna be champion for 741 00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:05,457 three or four years, and it was less than a 742 00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:08,561 full year before they took it away from him. 743 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,480 Warrior is not going to fall into line. 744 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:22,220 This is not somebody you are going to control, and they have to know this. 745 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,720 Jim Hellwig went to the beat of his own drum. 746 00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:30,980 Whatever that beat was telling him, whether it was good for him or detrimental 747 00:43:30,981 --> 00:43:34,620 to him, he went and walked to the beat of his own drum. 748 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,229 There were times where, you know, he was completely 749 00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:41,040 isolated, and sometimes he was just really on edge. 750 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:45,380 So there's a story that a kid approaches Ultimate Warrior at an airport, 751 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,600 as most people do. 752 00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:49,800 You know, that's half the reason Vince grabs these guys, is because when they 753 00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:51,916 walk through an airport, you can't look away from them. 754 00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:55,920 He's got his sunglasses on, and this kid comes up to him, and he's asking, 755 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,220 you know, if he's the Ultimate Warrior. 756 00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:59,980 And, like, he snaps on this little kid. 757 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,140 I was like, whoa. 758 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,880 This kid's parents were pretty connected to the WWE. 759 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,260 That posed a problem for Jim when Vince heard about this. 760 00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:17,060 So Vince is so upset that he makes Jim actually record a video apology to the kid. 761 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:18,520 It's Vince's apology. 762 00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:22,576 But not in the Warrior's character. 763 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,640 I mean, I'm humbly apologizing, but I'm not saying what I'm humbly apologizing for. 764 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,240 That's right. 765 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,520 I know what the gimmick's for, but I mean, what's it for? 766 00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:32,860 In three, two... 767 00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:37,800 I understand that there comes times in everyone's life when they may regret 768 00:44:37,801 --> 00:44:41,481 certain things... regret certain things that they should... This... 769 00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:42,280 Yeah, I know. 770 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,476 I don't know what the to say. 771 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:45,076 I didn't say nothing to the goddamn kid. 772 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:45,220 You don't have to say anything. 773 00:44:45,221 --> 00:44:45,740 I understand that. 774 00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:50,221 Well, no, you don't, because I'm making a videotape to some kid... It's a work. 775 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,420 ...about an apology. 776 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:51,870 It's a work. 777 00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,240 That's all it is. 778 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:53,940 It's a work. 779 00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:54,920 We're working here. 780 00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:55,560 That's it. 781 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:56,660 I'm working here. 782 00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:57,600 There's two matches left. 783 00:44:57,660 --> 00:45:00,060 I'm working here making an apology for something I didn't do. 784 00:45:00,955 --> 00:45:02,520 This guy's really... Whatever I should have... 785 00:45:02,521 --> 00:45:06,360 Whatever I was supposed to have said to the guy, I wish I had said to the guy. 786 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:18,020 There shall never come a time that any one of the WWF that I shall take revenge upon 787 00:45:18,021 --> 00:45:23,000 that person and vanquish them from this universe and sue me. 788 00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:29,900 No one that walks within the World Wrestling Federation shall ever, 789 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,100 never offend you without answering to the power of the ultimate warrior. 790 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,980 But then the very next day, he sits down and he writes Vince a letter. 791 00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:52,288 It's as if years of frustration and anger have 792 00:45:52,289 --> 00:45:56,701 just boiled over and he can't take it anymore. 793 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,560 1991 was a definitive moment in Jim Hellwig's life. 794 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,540 Around January of 1991, he and his wife filed divorce papers. 795 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,700 At the same time, the WWE decided that they were going to go in a different direction. 796 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,230 And so that same month that he's filing divorce 797 00:46:18,231 --> 00:46:21,541 papers, he also loses his status as champion. 798 00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:29,480 Going through the divorce, needing the money, all of those things sort of work 799 00:46:29,481 --> 00:46:33,840 together to reignite some of that financial anxiety that he had as a child. 800 00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,482 You know, a lot of the scars throughout Jim Hellwig's life 801 00:46:37,483 --> 00:46:39,796 are definitely like coming It's coming to the surface now. 802 00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:43,560 The Ultimate Warrior! 803 00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,396 You realize that, sure, Ultimate Warrior looked like he 804 00:46:47,476 --> 00:46:50,540 had never been better, but Jim is going through a divorce. 805 00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:54,940 And Jim is having arguments with Vince, and he's blowing up on fans at the airport. 806 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:57,540 And you realize that there's more to it than that. 807 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920 Ultimate Warrior seemed like he was just sort of at his wit's end with Vince, right? 808 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:02,256 He's like, I've tried to talk to you. 809 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,396 I've tried to bring this stuff up. 810 00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:04,460 Let me try something else. 811 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,800 I'm going to write a letter. 812 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,500 Vince, writing this is a different approach. 813 00:47:10,635 --> 00:47:12,860 I have been from day one different from the others. 814 00:47:13,265 --> 00:47:17,160 I have sacrificed myself enough both in my personal life and physical well-being. 815 00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:22,543 What Hellwig says to McMahon is, I know what 816 00:47:22,544 --> 00:47:25,741 Hogan has gotten, and that's what I want. 817 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,400 I have sacrificed more than $500,000, more than a million dollars even, 818 00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,340 in monies that I should have been paid to me in receiving equal treatment as Hulk. 819 00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:40,100 I And he proceeds to give a list of demands about the things that he wants. 820 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,260 About equal pay for Hogan, equal royalties for Hogan. 821 00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:47,480 He wants all of the same benefits that Hulk Hogan gets. 822 00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,720 The videotaped apology was the icing on the cake. 823 00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:54,760 You see it as a business, so whether I like it or not I must do the same. 824 00:47:55,570 --> 00:47:57,980 Whatever your decision, I can and will live with it. 825 00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,820 Till then, I remain at home with one who cares. 826 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:05,940 Hellwig appears to be saying to Vince, I'm not 827 00:48:05,941 --> 00:48:09,041 going to show up until you meet these demands. 828 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,040 That's a cardinal sin in the world of professional wrestling. 829 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,580 WWE have not only, in the micro sense, spent all this time marketing SummerSlam, 830 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,160 but in the macro sense, all this time marketing the Ultimate Warrior character. 831 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,861 Like, they can't just say, alright, we'll go home, we'll just do it without you. 832 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:32,960 No one would take kindly to them, but of all the people in the world who 833 00:48:32,961 --> 00:48:37,520 would not take kindly to essentially being bullied, it would be Vince McMahon. 834 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,880 When I get this letter, it's a shock. 835 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:43,840 It's like, oh, it's kicking the guts. 836 00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:45,840 It felt like I was burned, so to speak. 837 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,720 I told Jim we would work it out, indicating that we might do this deal. 838 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,200 That he was looking for, oh, okay, we'll talk at the Garden. 839 00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:55,600 And I couldn't wait to fire him. 840 00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:59,060 What an ovation for the Ultimate Warrior! 841 00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:03,430 Can he be trusted? 842 00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:08,130 Vince McMahon came into my locker room and he said, well, the Ultimate Warrior is 843 00:49:08,131 --> 00:49:14,950 holding me up for $500,000 and he wants to be paid before he wrestles. 844 00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:20,870 Then, through the locker room door comes Hulk Hogan. 845 00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:25,070 And he said, Sarge, you throw the Warrior out on the floor and I'll come into the 846 00:49:25,071 --> 00:49:28,090 ring and I'll jump on you and you and I will head off to the corner. 847 00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:32,610 And while we're doing that, Cheeky, you jump down and you break his leg. 848 00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:35,970 And Vince went, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 849 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,350 I don't need a lawsuit on top of all this. 850 00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:46,330 There's a spot at the end of the match where Hellwig grabs a chair and chases 851 00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:50,430 Mustafa and Adnan out of the ring and backstage. 852 00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:52,430 Warrior's got a chair! 853 00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:58,970 As he comes back through, he's told, Vince wants to see you. 854 00:49:59,050 --> 00:50:02,550 At which point, Vince gives him a several-page letter. 855 00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:07,050 Talking about how Hulk Hogan is a living legend. 856 00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:11,517 He is more popular than you, has more years in 857 00:50:11,518 --> 00:50:14,471 the ring than you, is in greater demand than you. 858 00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:16,790 And then he hits Jim very personally. 859 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:20,190 He says, you have become a living legend in your own mind. 860 00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:26,390 Probably everything that Jim Hellwig would not have wanted to hear. 861 00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:33,410 He then details the fact that, Jim, you are suspended for no fewer than 19 years. 862 00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:36,488 I think that Vince wrote something that 863 00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:40,030 cutting, because I think Vince felt insulted. 864 00:50:40,465 --> 00:50:43,690 It was so outrageous, the demand was. 865 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:49,250 And just so far overreached, it told me, obviously, he really didn't understand. 866 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:55,530 Often, our performers will start believing in themselves more than they should and 867 00:50:55,531 --> 00:50:58,410 can't separate Jim Hellwig from the Ultimate Warrior. 868 00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:00,310 And that happens to a lot of our performers. 869 00:51:02,125 --> 00:51:03,210 A lot of superstars... 870 00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:04,430 want his approval. 871 00:51:04,705 --> 00:51:05,890 And they want to please him. 872 00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:10,610 And they want to be his guy the way you want your father to accept you. 873 00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:14,150 That's what I feel, I guess, with Vince McMahon. 874 00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:16,874 It's like, when he tells you, you did a good 875 00:51:16,875 --> 00:51:20,391 job, it's the greatest feeling in the world. 876 00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:24,070 Jim and I had this unusual relationship, you know, personally. 877 00:51:24,310 --> 00:51:26,530 And we both were on the same wavelength. 878 00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:27,130 He was nuts. 879 00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:28,830 I was at the time, I'm not now. 880 00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:32,850 There was this great relationship. 881 00:51:32,851 --> 00:51:34,010 No one really knew that. 882 00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:37,410 I'm sure he was out there looking for acceptance. 883 00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:41,850 And he might have looked at him as a mother and a father figure. 884 00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:43,750 And there's nothing wrong with that. 885 00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:45,690 Did you think of him as a son? 886 00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:50,150 Not as a son. 887 00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:53,450 I have only one son. 888 00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:56,630 You know, I can see how someone would look at me as a father figure. 889 00:51:58,185 --> 00:51:59,810 But I don't look at him as a son. 890 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,910 You know, I've never done that. 891 00:52:01,911 --> 00:52:06,250 You know, but I've looked at him as a relationship that would be sort of 892 00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:09,150 mirroring somewhat, you know, of a father-son. 893 00:52:10,820 --> 00:52:14,790 If you look at somebody like the Warrior that maybe was missing some male role 894 00:52:14,791 --> 00:52:17,593 models early in his life, I think Vince McMahon 895 00:52:17,594 --> 00:52:19,990 could have easily filled that role for him. 896 00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:25,950 And I don't know if Vince realized when he wrote that that the Ultimate Warrior would 897 00:52:25,951 --> 00:52:29,750 not take that as his boss being mad at him. 898 00:52:30,125 --> 00:52:34,970 He may take that as a paternal figure being disappointed in him. 899 00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:39,570 Your boss being mad at you, you get over. 900 00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:45,830 Somebody that you look at like a father saying, I like him more than I like you. 901 00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:47,730 You don't get over that. 902 00:52:50,670 --> 00:52:51,670 Good morning, guys. 903 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:54,710 The entire world of wrestling changed in 1992. 904 00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:57,169 The federal government has leveled charges 905 00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,810 against the leader of the WWF, Vince McMahon. 906 00:53:00,830 --> 00:53:04,393 Steroid use, steroid distribution is now deemed not only 907 00:53:04,394 --> 00:53:09,430 illegal, but is being presented as inauthentic and immoral. 908 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,750 A Hulk of a hero named Hogan is the biggest to take a fall. 909 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:16,610 First cue up. 910 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:18,130 This is take one. 911 00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:22,390 It makes a certain sort of sense that when Hulk Hogan has to take some time off, 912 00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:27,050 you go back in the well and find the guy who used to be the next Hulk Hogan. 913 00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:28,730 There have been those that have been taken. 914 00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:34,090 I'm going to sit up on many a throne and promise to rule the entire universe, 915 00:53:34,290 --> 00:53:35,290 the entire world. 916 00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:41,270 McMahon decides to bring the ultimate warrior back into the WWE. 917 00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:45,950 And they begin the process of trying to mend the fences. 918 00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:47,270 Look at this. 919 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:48,850 Hulk, Hulk, Hulk. 920 00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:52,550 The insane Sid Justice. 921 00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:56,530 Hulkamania could all end here today in the Hoosier Dome. 922 00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:59,230 And when that music hit... He don't have a friend left. 923 00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:01,010 Wait a minute! 924 00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:04,690 You could hear that stadium full of people going nuts for it. 925 00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:05,710 They couldn't believe it. 926 00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:06,450 It is! 927 00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:07,770 It 928 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,660 was still a moment. 929 00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:15,700 And you're still like, oh my God, Warrior's back. 930 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,068 But when he comes back, right in the midst of 931 00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:24,681 the steroid scandal, he looks noticeably smaller. 932 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,920 He's still jacked. 933 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,820 I mean, he's still by normal standards. 934 00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:30,980 He's still like, I'm never going to get a body like 1992 Ultimate Warrior. 935 00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,640 But 1992 Ultimate Warrior does not have a body like 1992 Ultimate Warrior. 936 00:54:34,641 --> 00:54:35,641 1990 Ultimate Warrior. 937 00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:42,540 He had not been quite as dedicated as he was to the gym, probably because he's 938 00:54:42,541 --> 00:54:44,480 coping with an extraordinary amount of loss. 939 00:54:45,035 --> 00:54:46,640 And going through a divorce... 940 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,080 And I remember thinking, man, you've got to get your shit together real quick here. 941 00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:13,240 Let's try one more with more intensity. 942 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,640 Okay. 943 00:55:13,641 --> 00:55:14,660 Hang on a second. 944 00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:19,340 In 1992, a package is intercepted, addressed to the Ultimate Warrior's 945 00:55:19,341 --> 00:55:23,960 driver, and it contains HGH, human growth hormone. 946 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,180 Explosiveness that can never ever be recreated. 947 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,820 A chemical combustion that forms a bond forever and ever. 948 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,800 He did fail some tests in 1992. 949 00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:36,240 Yep. 950 00:55:36,241 --> 00:55:40,640 Hellwig did fail tests, and Hellwig also admitted to it, to taking steroids. 951 00:55:40,641 --> 00:55:45,562 I think it was more than anything in his head that 952 00:55:45,662 --> 00:55:48,720 if I don't have this, I'll never be the same guy. 953 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,631 Every time he takes a drug test, he has to list 954 00:55:54,632 --> 00:55:57,420 the kinds of medications that he's taking already. 955 00:55:57,890 --> 00:56:02,600 And at the beginning of this process in May, he writes Motrin. 956 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000 Pretty simple. 957 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,900 The next test, it's Tylenol with codeine in a nasal spray. 958 00:56:08,901 --> 00:56:13,885 By the time we get to late October, he's taking multiple 959 00:56:13,886 --> 00:56:17,980 medicines for anxiety, for depression, for insomnia. 960 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,160 As 961 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,780 soon as they start to work. 962 00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:34,480 Slam jam the Ultimate Warrior away. 963 00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:41,300 In November of that year, the WWE will fire him again. 964 00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:44,200 On the grounds that he has violated the drug policy. 965 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,440 Shit, I don't know. 966 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,900 It just sort of unraveled in a way where I remember having a conversation with Vince 967 00:56:51,901 --> 00:56:54,621 and he was afraid of certain things that were going to happen to him. 968 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,680 It just got so bad that he needed a couple of scapegoats. 969 00:56:58,220 --> 00:57:02,220 Was it implied that you should use steroids to make yourself... No, never to me. 970 00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,580 I think the whole thing is weak. 971 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:09,120 It was a bad optic to have huge muscle-bound guys on top as you're 972 00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:11,680 fighting off these accusations of steroid use. 973 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,780 People like Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior. 974 00:57:13,781 --> 00:57:15,120 Faded to the background. 975 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,340 And Bret Hartz and Shawn Michaels and other guys sort of stepped in to the spotlight. 976 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,821 Because their look didn't sort of remind 977 00:57:23,822 --> 00:57:27,481 people of what was going on behind the scenes. 978 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,900 He arrives in Scottsdale, Arizona. 979 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,360 Hellwig will legally change his name to Warrior. 980 00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:36,540 He lived the Ultimate Warrior. 981 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:37,796 He breathed the Ultimate Warrior. 982 00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:39,580 So he believed he owned the Ultimate Warrior. 983 00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:43,740 So all you can really do is try to come up with ways to... 984 00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:45,300 stick it to your former employer. 985 00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:47,680 The Mad Men's back! 986 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,920 The Mad Men's back! 987 00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:50,140 We know 988 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,380 what it takes to be a pro wrestler. 989 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,920 He launched a gym and wrestling school called Warrior University. 990 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:00,900 Warrior University! 991 00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:06,440 He wanted to do workout videos and Warrior workout kits. 992 00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:11,660 And I saw a new gym was coming to town. 993 00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:14,420 And it was owned by the Ultimate Warrior. 994 00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:17,840 I had a pink resume before Elle Woods ever did. 995 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,404 And when I walked in the door, all I could 996 00:58:21,405 --> 00:58:26,520 see was the eye line to this huge, giant man. 997 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,640 And I walked with purpose straight up to him. 998 00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:32,360 I put the resume down and I said, I need to run your aerobics program. 999 00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:34,020 And he said, you need to marry me. 1000 00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:36,340 And I said, I won't even date you. 1001 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,540 And that man followed me around like a puppy until I finally broke down. 1002 00:58:43,541 --> 00:58:45,840 And I dated him and then, you know, I married him. 1003 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,260 So it worked out okay. 1004 00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,560 I had my own demons from a difficult childhood. 1005 00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:57,840 And so my husband used to always say to me, like, you tamed the beast. 1006 00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:00,440 I met my counterpart. 1007 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760 I met the person that I was able to do that for. 1008 00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:04,100 And he was able to do it for me. 1009 00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:08,820 I 1010 00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:20,040 look back at the innocence of who we were when we first met. 1011 00:59:20,041 --> 00:59:24,700 And what my husband really wanted was to be successful. 1012 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,640 He had all these goals and aspirations. 1013 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:45,840 And what success was, was in his mind what Vince McMahon had created. 1014 00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,540 He wanted to make the Ultimate Warrior into a full-blown comic book venture. 1015 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,940 To launch the Warrior mainstream. 1016 00:59:55,555 --> 01:00:01,420 But he seems to realize that it's not going to happen without a bigger platform. 1017 01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:06,480 And because of that, once again, Vince McMahon and Jim 1018 01:00:06,481 --> 01:00:09,141 Hellwig somehow find their way back to one another. 1019 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,679 When you look back now, the Warrior's career is sort of 1020 01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:22,180 more about, like, returns than it is about the matches. 1021 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,500 Around June of 1996, Hellwig's father Thomas dies. 1022 01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:35,900 The two had not had much of a relationship at all. 1023 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,980 But it seems to have hit him hard. 1024 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,800 In this period of time, he doesn't attend a few shows. 1025 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:48,800 But of course, with the WWE, you don't miss shows. 1026 01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:52,441 As I recall, he had not seen his dad in over 1027 01:00:52,453 --> 01:00:54,560 ten years and could care less about him. 1028 01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:55,940 And that was like, wait a minute. 1029 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,380 You're going to use this as an excuse? 1030 01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:01,576 That's the straw that breaks the camel's back with me. 1031 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,120 I can't deal with anybody like that. 1032 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,720 He was terminated. 1033 01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:12,560 Audience that was five, ten, fifteen years old, when Warrior was at his hottest, 1034 01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:15,540 had moved on to be obsessed with other things. 1035 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,280 Besides the Ultimate Warrior. 1036 01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:25,900 So when that love and that adulation wasn't there, he went back to being an 1037 01:01:25,901 --> 01:01:29,580 11-year-old boy in the trailer in Indiana whose father just left him. 1038 01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,160 He starts traveling around to college campuses. 1039 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,645 One that really stood out, it made major headlines at the 1040 01:01:39,646 --> 01:01:44,980 time, was a speech he gave at the University of Connecticut. 1041 01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:49,380 I'm going to get up for these things just like I used to wrestle. 1042 01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:53,700 You have to tell the story with the same passion and intensity. 1043 01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:56,720 I knew something was wrong. 1044 01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:58,620 Hey guys, how you doing? 1045 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,520 And I said, what did you say? 1046 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,340 We'll talk when you get home. 1047 01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:11,855 You know, young kids, they get their philosophy 1048 01:02:11,856 --> 01:02:14,281 of life from people that are older than them. 1049 01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:17,000 And today that's just not happening in any place. 1050 01:02:18,105 --> 01:02:22,060 He's accepted the fact that the Ultimate Warrior is not going to be mainstream, 1051 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,320 but it's almost like he needed something to fill the void. 1052 01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:26,760 What's up? 1053 01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:29,336 I just wanted to show you what they're passing out outside. 1054 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,860 Just so you're prepared for what's going to happen. 1055 01:02:30,861 --> 01:02:31,200 Oh, good. 1056 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,280 They're all prepared with the racist, with the racism, um, jeers. 1057 01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:42,660 He finds this new identity in conservative ideology. 1058 01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:46,780 And he becomes a conservative blogger. 1059 01:02:46,781 --> 01:02:52,560 I would argue for the Warrior and his career, his persona, his business. 1060 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,900 It was not good that we got to see behind the curtain. 1061 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,018 Every few weeks or whatever is like another 1062 01:02:59,019 --> 01:03:02,080 thing that Warrior is saying that is offensive. 1063 01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:10,190 Where do you think his strong political views came from around that time? 1064 01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:13,660 Most people think I'm heavy metal or something. 1065 01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:19,490 On the radio, typically, um, I do talk radio. 1066 01:03:21,490 --> 01:03:22,010 That's it. 1067 01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:24,990 Turn on talk radio was a really big thing at the time. 1068 01:03:25,390 --> 01:03:27,810 Um, and, and, you know something? 1069 01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:29,610 Rush Limbaugh is a great showman. 1070 01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:33,790 So, my husband's like, well, Kendrick, we get each other, you know. 1071 01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:38,990 So, like, the talk radio thing became a big thing in our house. 1072 01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:42,510 And, you know, a certain news channel is on all the time. 1073 01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:46,690 I think he was just looking for a new brotherhood. 1074 01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:50,856 It's never been the vision that people have in their 1075 01:03:50,857 --> 01:03:53,370 heads that it's just ultimate warrior as an identity. 1076 01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:57,036 A painted face pro wrestler with strings around his arms 1077 01:03:57,037 --> 01:04:00,810 and colorful characters and physique and a body and stuff. 1078 01:04:00,930 --> 01:04:05,830 It's about, it represents more, um, on a fundamental level, something or 1079 01:04:05,831 --> 01:04:09,610 somebody that's willing to stand up and fight for what they believe in. 1080 01:04:09,690 --> 01:04:11,430 Even if they die doing so. 1081 01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:18,550 And when he came back from that speech, I knew something was wrong. 1082 01:04:18,850 --> 01:04:20,190 And I said, what did you say? 1083 01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:23,870 Now, I'm a conservative. 1084 01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:28,870 Liberals believe in a utopian society where everything is equal. 1085 01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:34,590 That Kwanzaa is just as legitimate as Santa Claus and Christmas. 1086 01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:41,410 That a terrorist is just as legitimate as Santa. 1087 01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:44,110 As one of this country's revolution freedom fighters. 1088 01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:49,210 That we are as legitimate as heterosexuals. 1089 01:04:49,211 --> 01:04:50,211 How are they not? 1090 01:04:50,355 --> 01:04:54,470 That the anarchists because doesn't make the world work. 1091 01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:58,830 What's wrong with homosexuality? 1092 01:04:58,831 --> 01:05:00,150 What are you talking about? 1093 01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:05,030 And from this moment, the speech has just become a straight dog fight. 1094 01:05:05,590 --> 01:05:07,210 No, no. 1095 01:05:07,710 --> 01:05:09,270 Apologize for that right now, you guys. 1096 01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:16,659 As an Ultimate Warrior fan, you're like, bro, 1097 01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:19,370 like, I didn't, I didn't sign up for that. 1098 01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:22,441 Like, you're starting to make me think that the warrior might 1099 01:05:22,442 --> 01:05:24,831 believe in some stuff that I don't necessarily believe in. 1100 01:05:27,050 --> 01:05:31,030 There's all people of all different types of races and colors that look up to you. 1101 01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:33,650 Because I, you know, I grew up, my dad wasn't there. 1102 01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,770 But as the warrior is telling me, just don't worry about things. 1103 01:05:36,771 --> 01:05:39,410 Just be that little warrior that you are inside. 1104 01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:47,010 So, when you are acting that way and you believe that in your heart, you can do a 1105 01:05:47,011 --> 01:05:49,250 lot of damage to those people that looked up for you. 1106 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,726 Has anything like UConn ever happened before? 1107 01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:52,750 No. 1108 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:56,690 I was really disappointed. 1109 01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:58,970 I was really disappointed. 1110 01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,930 And I let him know that. 1111 01:06:01,690 --> 01:06:06,690 And, um, he knew it was different and he knew he'd messed up. 1112 01:06:06,770 --> 01:06:09,194 And I don't even think, he didn't 1113 01:06:09,206 --> 01:06:12,431 understand the breadth of it until later on. 1114 01:06:14,330 --> 01:06:15,630 But he knew it was bad. 1115 01:06:19,010 --> 01:06:23,530 So, WWE puts out this DVD, The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior. 1116 01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,130 And this, I think, was kind of a self-serving mission. 1117 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,210 We're done making money off this guy or from this guy. 1118 01:06:30,350 --> 01:06:33,930 And he's off hurting himself, his own brand, and by extension, our brand. 1119 01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:38,030 If we can limit his importance in our legacy, that's a win for us. 1120 01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:41,730 If we can charge 30 bucks for it and put a cool title on it and essentially, 1121 01:06:41,850 --> 01:06:44,569 you know, make as much money as we would off of a WrestleMania, 1122 01:06:44,570 --> 01:06:47,210 off of Jim without even having his consent, even better. 1123 01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:51,310 And Vince wants these to kind of be shoot deals, right? 1124 01:06:51,370 --> 01:06:52,370 Yeah, he really does. 1125 01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:53,990 He wants to tell the truth. 1126 01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:55,150 He wants everybody to know. 1127 01:06:55,390 --> 01:06:56,390 A little controversy? 1128 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,020 Self-Destruction of Ultimate Warrior was not so much a documentary. 1129 01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:06,580 It was more of a hit piece. 1130 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,094 You watched it and thought, at the very 1131 01:07:11,106 --> 01:07:14,060 least, this guy is not beloved by his peers. 1132 01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:16,880 I don't know that he was really born to be in this business. 1133 01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:20,180 To me, the man had no idea about wrestling. 1134 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:22,520 Do I think the Ultimate Warrior was a flash in the pan? 1135 01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:25,540 Enough said. 1136 01:07:25,860 --> 01:07:32,040 I knew when the Ultimate Warrior won the match and 68,000 people watched me leave 1137 01:07:32,041 --> 01:07:35,720 the building instead of watching the new champ in the ring, I knew that, 1138 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,380 okay, you know, I don't want to be the one to say I told you so. 1139 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,340 I never watched that DVD. 1140 01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:48,960 People would not be alive if I'd watched that DVD. 1141 01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:52,000 My husband wanted to watch it and I said, you shouldn't. 1142 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,580 He doesn't trust anyone in life. 1143 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,725 And look, if you don't enjoy coming to work, then you're 1144 01:07:59,726 --> 01:08:02,281 going to bound to self-destruct somewhere along the line. 1145 01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:15,700 He watched that DVD and that broke a part of my husband that I was never able to fix. 1146 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,900 Nobody is going to hand you 1147 01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:24,130 the fulfillment of the dream you have in your 1148 01:08:24,131 --> 01:08:27,021 mind about a great life you want to f***ing live. 1149 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,800 In later years, it's almost as if he will be frustrated with himself, but he will 1150 01:08:31,801 --> 01:08:34,980 project out onto others the frustration he feels with his own life. 1151 01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,880 I think you're f***ing pathetic. 1152 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,360 Don't fail. 1153 01:08:39,361 --> 01:08:41,480 Take back yourself. 1154 01:08:43,585 --> 01:08:46,420 And don't take any back talk from yourself. 1155 01:08:46,980 --> 01:08:52,394 I think he was trying to reinvigorate his own identity because 1156 01:08:52,395 --> 01:08:57,520 when we fall down a hole, nobody can really get you back out. 1157 01:08:57,620 --> 01:09:00,140 You have to climb rung by rung yourself. 1158 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,320 And he did that. 1159 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,740 That's so inspiring because he wasn't perfect. 1160 01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:10,640 Other people in the world aren't perfect. 1161 01:09:10,641 --> 01:09:12,880 We all mess up. 1162 01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:15,300 And sometimes we're ignorant. 1163 01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:19,680 But ignorance is educable and we can change and we can grow and we can evolve. 1164 01:09:27,145 --> 01:09:30,220 I was very oblivious to his life before he was a father. 1165 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:31,140 He was my dad. 1166 01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:32,560 I was daddy's little girl. 1167 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,820 And he doted on my sister and I like any other dad that I knew. 1168 01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:41,260 He was so gentle with his warrior babies. 1169 01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:42,420 That's what he'd call us. 1170 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,560 I know that his father wasn't incredibly involved. 1171 01:09:45,561 --> 01:09:48,180 And so he didn't really have that figure there. 1172 01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:55,041 But you don't necessarily need a role model to become the man you want to become. 1173 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,172 Very few people can overcome what they 1174 01:09:58,184 --> 01:10:01,580 lived through and not feel victimized by it. 1175 01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:03,540 But instead chart a new course. 1176 01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:06,280 And that's what we did with our family. 1177 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:07,680 We charted a new course. 1178 01:10:09,380 --> 01:10:13,860 What you saw in his character used to translate a lot into his workouts. 1179 01:10:13,861 --> 01:10:19,100 But, you know, most of the time here we got to know a different character. 1180 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,740 We got to know Warrior. 1181 01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:24,680 And Warrior was a complete different personality. 1182 01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:26,240 He made everybody feel special. 1183 01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:27,380 He made me feel special. 1184 01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:31,900 I think that Warrior found himself in Santa Fe. 1185 01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:37,640 I think he found a calmer setting for him to really think, to paint. 1186 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,084 Art became a really big part of his life when 1187 01:10:41,085 --> 01:10:43,460 he wasn't putting on his face paint every day. 1188 01:10:43,461 --> 01:10:47,180 You know, the face paint became the paint on the canvas instead. 1189 01:10:56,770 --> 01:10:57,810 He had his daughters. 1190 01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:58,470 He had Dana. 1191 01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:00,990 Oh my gosh, it's so good to see you. 1192 01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:06,050 You're our first husband since all of us started. 1193 01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:09,630 Our friendship was about just enjoying life. 1194 01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:10,630 Have fun. 1195 01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:11,910 You are who you are. 1196 01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:18,990 I think that my husband needed hypermasculinity in order to feel safe. 1197 01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:24,330 But with the friends that he made in our town of Santa Fe, he was able to 1198 01:11:24,331 --> 01:11:28,890 experience grown adult men who had no vendetta against him. 1199 01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:33,970 And so I think when my husband was finally ready to be inducted in the Hall of Fame, 1200 01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:37,218 he was becoming somebody that was actually worthy of 1201 01:11:37,258 --> 01:11:39,990 that honor in his own mind, but also for the fans. 1202 01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:45,908 Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the ring by 1203 01:11:45,909 --> 01:11:48,590 two young ladies who were so special in his life. 1204 01:11:48,591 --> 01:11:51,230 May I present, Warrior. 1205 01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:11,212 For several years, the WWE had tried to find 1206 01:12:11,213 --> 01:12:15,060 ways of getting Warrior into the Hall of Fame. 1207 01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:17,820 And he had repeatedly said no. 1208 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,680 This particular year, for whatever reason, Warrior was able to trust. 1209 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,740 And I said, I apologize for anything I've ever said, anything I've ever done. 1210 01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:30,860 That was then. 1211 01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:33,180 Let's just bury the hatchet and move on. 1212 01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:36,460 I just can't believe it's been as long as it has been. 1213 01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:39,410 He enters into an agreement with the WWE to become 1214 01:12:39,411 --> 01:12:42,061 an ambassador for a period of several years. 1215 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,920 Obviously, there was a tension with the relationship with WWE throughout the years. 1216 01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:47,380 You know what I mean? 1217 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,500 What does it mean to kind of be back in the fold and kind of repair things? 1218 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,760 Well, it means a lot. 1219 01:12:58,480 --> 01:12:59,480 Well, it means a lot. 1220 01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:02,100 You know, it was purposeful that they put the DVD out. 1221 01:13:02,101 --> 01:13:04,560 It hurt my feelings a lot, man. 1222 01:13:04,561 --> 01:13:07,320 It hurt me that they did that. 1223 01:13:12,250 --> 01:13:14,810 You know, I have a lot of emotion about coming back. 1224 01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:19,790 It's well known that the Hellwig men had a short lifespan. 1225 01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:22,180 His grandfather died in his 50s. 1226 01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:25,210 His father died in his 50s. 1227 01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:29,582 And knowing that most of the Hellwig boys died at a 1228 01:13:29,583 --> 01:13:33,750 young age definitely has to color how you live your life. 1229 01:13:33,875 --> 01:13:36,910 You either face it or you live in fear of it. 1230 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:49,110 I think it was calculated on his part because he knew that by reigniting this 1231 01:13:49,111 --> 01:13:54,150 relationship with the WWE, he can be the man that his father never was for him. 1232 01:13:54,470 --> 01:14:00,015 This was his moment to set aside the hurt, the ego, the 1233 01:14:00,016 --> 01:14:03,471 pride, all of the things that had kept him estranged. 1234 01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:07,850 And to say, I'm going to do this for my family. 1235 01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:11,430 You build a brand. 1236 01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:13,370 These are the graphics that support the brand. 1237 01:14:15,070 --> 01:14:18,250 There are a few legitimately tough guys in our business. 1238 01:14:19,210 --> 01:14:20,410 Most of us aren't. 1239 01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,810 So we get to go out there and we get to act like tough guys. 1240 01:14:25,190 --> 01:14:27,310 And people look up to you and you're larger than life. 1241 01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:29,750 There's responsibility that comes with that. 1242 01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:34,030 Responsibility is that if you get to do that, you get that opportunity to do that, 1243 01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:36,116 then you should be able to go out into the 1244 01:14:36,117 --> 01:14:39,351 real world and handle a simple thing like life. 1245 01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:42,630 I'm sorry for all the bad stuff that happened to me. 1246 01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:43,530 It's tough, man. 1247 01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:44,190 It's all good, brother. 1248 01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:44,610 It's all good. 1249 01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:45,530 You're right. 1250 01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:47,050 The tape never should have been made. 1251 01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:50,550 It's hard for me because when you get disrespected like that, you... 1252 01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:53,510 You know, I got kids and I got family and I... 1253 01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:57,050 It just was so wrong in so many ways. 1254 01:14:57,610 --> 01:14:58,870 I love you very much. 1255 01:14:58,890 --> 01:14:59,650 I want you to know that. 1256 01:14:59,710 --> 01:15:00,410 Thanks a lot, man. 1257 01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:01,330 I really want you to know that. 1258 01:15:01,331 --> 01:15:02,630 I've been dying to see you. 1259 01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:03,950 I really do. 1260 01:15:04,030 --> 01:15:04,710 I really do. 1261 01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:05,870 No matter what. 1262 01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:10,530 I think he was just really excited to go home. 1263 01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:13,925 And absolutely he wanted that reconciliation 1264 01:15:13,926 --> 01:15:16,610 with Vince because Vince mattered to him. 1265 01:15:17,255 --> 01:15:21,250 But he also wanted to show Vince, I have family now, too. 1266 01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:23,670 And now you're part of it. 1267 01:15:23,730 --> 01:15:26,310 I don't need you to be all of it. 1268 01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:32,030 Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the ring by two young ladies who were so 1269 01:15:32,031 --> 01:15:35,830 special in his life, may I present Warrior. 1270 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,400 In 1991, Vince wrote me a letter. 1271 01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:54,160 He said, you think you're a legend in your own mind. 1272 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,620 But I didn't think that I was a legend in my mind. 1273 01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:58,960 But I will tell you this, Vince. 1274 01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,860 The Ultimate Warrior is a legend today. 1275 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,997 And he will continue to run into the hearts and 1276 01:16:05,998 --> 01:16:09,100 minds of fans throughout generations to come. 1277 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,440 And I'm proud of that. 1278 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,550 I'm proud of you for supporting me and fighting for the 1279 01:16:13,551 --> 01:16:15,960 Ultimate Warrior to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. 1280 01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:25,500 Regardless of personal stuff, regardless of what you see on the internet or 1281 01:16:25,501 --> 01:16:27,420 anything, just like, we're now all grownups. 1282 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,800 We're nostalgically looking at this guy like, yes, this is when I was six. 1283 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,400 This is the guy I was watching. 1284 01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:33,420 I'm so happy he's back. 1285 01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:39,320 From the moment he ran onto WWE television until he, you know, took the belt from 1286 01:16:39,321 --> 01:16:42,980 Hogan, you hold that up against any wrestler in the history of wrestling. 1287 01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:44,460 That's what we were celebrating. 1288 01:16:44,860 --> 01:16:47,160 I mean, I was there on Monday Night Raw when he came out. 1289 01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:50,820 And I've never been in a crowd that felt like that. 1290 01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:16,130 Every man's heart one day beats its final beat. 1291 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,790 His lungs breathe their final breath. 1292 01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:24,370 And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse through the body of 1293 01:17:24,371 --> 01:17:29,648 others, it makes them bleed deeper into something larger than 1294 01:17:29,649 --> 01:17:34,950 life, then his essence, his spirit, will be immortalized. 1295 01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:41,910 You, you, you, you are the legend makers of Ultimate Warrior. 1296 01:17:44,690 --> 01:17:48,990 Finally, Jim, he understood how it all worked then. 1297 01:17:49,230 --> 01:17:52,083 And that may be, as far as I know, about the 1298 01:17:52,084 --> 01:17:54,370 only time he's ever been at peace with himself. 1299 01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:56,330 He so appreciated the honor and what have you. 1300 01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:57,390 And unfortunately... 1301 01:18:01,540 --> 01:18:02,700 A couple days later, he died. 1302 01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:16,710 It's just, everything felt so good. 1303 01:18:17,610 --> 01:18:19,650 My kids are so proud of their dad. 1304 01:18:20,770 --> 01:18:23,790 We were gonna go to Arizona and have spring break. 1305 01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:27,090 And we got on a plane to go to Phoenix. 1306 01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:33,130 And we get to the hotel, and he said, I don't, I don't feel, I don't feel good. 1307 01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:34,770 I said, I know, babe, neither do I. 1308 01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:36,270 Like, it's been a, this is hectic. 1309 01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:37,450 It's gonna be fine. 1310 01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:38,350 You just rest. 1311 01:18:38,351 --> 01:18:39,410 What do you need? 1312 01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:40,330 I'll go get it for you. 1313 01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:42,130 Like, he's like, no, I don't feel good. 1314 01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:44,270 And he said, I think I need to go to the hospital. 1315 01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:45,610 And that's where I was like... 1316 01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:52,608 And I didn't, I didn't want the girls to 1317 01:18:52,609 --> 01:18:55,001 come, because I didn't want them to be scared. 1318 01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:58,300 So they were old enough to lock the door. 1319 01:19:02,785 --> 01:19:06,430 It was one second before we were out the door. 1320 01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:19,470 And I couldn't catch them. 1321 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,020 So we get to the hospital, and they wheel him back there. 1322 01:19:27,150 --> 01:19:30,000 And they said, he didn't make it. 1323 01:19:34,690 --> 01:19:38,250 And I also knew, like, I was gonna have to tell my kids. 1324 01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:46,030 And I left them at the hotel at the last, thinking I was protecting them, 1325 01:19:46,090 --> 01:19:49,210 but then did I rob them at the last moment with their dad? 1326 01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:08,109 What he built at home was far greater than anything the 1327 01:20:08,110 --> 01:20:11,671 ultimate warrior achieved in front of the television cameras. 1328 01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:16,270 That's the tragedy of the man's life. 1329 01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:22,770 When he finally found the love that he couldn't find as a child, and he had 1330 01:20:22,771 --> 01:20:26,490 nothing left to hate, that's when his heart gave up. 1331 01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:31,359 You know, I mean, I can remember back when I was a young 1332 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,350 kid, being a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. 1333 01:20:33,351 --> 01:20:36,029 My dad leaving when I was 12, 13 years old, having 1334 01:20:36,030 --> 01:20:38,810 self-doubts about myself like any young kid does. 1335 01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:45,650 You create your own sort of fantasy protector, in a sense. 1336 01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:49,487 You know, the thing that you connect with to make you 1337 01:20:49,488 --> 01:20:52,470 strong, to get you through the self-doubts that you have. 1338 01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:56,070 His daughters are definitely his lasting legacy. 1339 01:20:57,290 --> 01:21:01,750 He was never more proud of anything in his life than his girls. 1340 01:21:01,751 --> 01:21:05,990 And he wanted both of them, which they do, to have that warrior spirit. 1341 01:21:07,370 --> 01:21:08,970 There's nothing simple about Jim Helwig. 1342 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:16,671 He was a flawed and complicated human being who made some serious mistakes in his life. 1343 01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:20,150 But it's a human story. 1344 01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:24,482 Having done Ultimate Warrior as a sports entertainment 1345 01:21:24,483 --> 01:21:27,950 identity, why I think the way I do, it's built into us. 1346 01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:29,270 It's a part of our nature. 1347 01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:31,090 It's a part of our human nature. 1348 01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:33,590 To grow. 1349 01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:41,230 I think redemption is a heavy burden to place on any one human being because we're 1350 01:21:41,231 --> 01:21:43,810 all on a journey to find out who it is that we are. 118201

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