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Slowly, halfway
through, widen out a little
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bit and go right back
to that extreme close-up.
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Remember what's
going on in the ring.
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I can smell it!
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It's in the air!
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I feel the cosmic
powers of Mars!
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The clouds of Jupiter!
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The boiling heat of Mercury!
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I can feel it!
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My dad taught my sister and I a
creed and he would make us write it out.
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Live strong.
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Act bold.
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Be brave.
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History has been made here!
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Nothing's too hard to do.
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Always believe.
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I walk as the general
of a legion of warriors!
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The Ultimate Warrior was
just... He was a moment in my life.
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A moment in time.
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And the Ultimate Warrior, the guy that we
grew up watching, the guy that fought Hulk
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Hogan and beat him, was
separate from Jim Hellway.
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Don't let the tin come by kicking
you in the mouth and not your feet!
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The complicated
layers of his own psyche
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created a man who at times
was very difficult to get a grasp on.
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F**k!
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You're on me.
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He probably wouldn't have been
driven to be the Ultimate Warrior
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if he hadn't had the pain he
experienced in his early life.
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Fire!
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Fire!
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You've got to have some kind of
an explanation, Ultimate Warrior!
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He might not have gone on to be the person
that he was afterwards if it hadn't been
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for the disappointment he was experiencing
while we were all cheering for him.
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You have seen very small snippets
of the man that I knew personally.
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You think of the guy who's,
you know, big and tough.
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But he'd tuck us in at night so
gently and read us our books.
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And if there was something really sad
or really rough, like, he'd leave it out.
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And that was a beautiful
thing for when we were little.
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But there's not that
privilege anymore.
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You have to tell the full story.
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And with the past seven
years that's gone on,
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there's no more... you don't
want to censor anything.
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Like, this is the story
of the Ultimate Warrior.
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Read the full book.
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He was skinny.
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He was real skinny.
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You know, I had a picture, I couldn't
find it, of him in a football outfit.
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Poor, beanpole, skinny
legs, cute as a button.
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Jim Hellwig was the
oldest of five siblings.
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He has two
brothers, two sisters.
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This is a picture of the four
kids before I had my last one.
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Here is the place that I understood Jim to
tell me he grew up in this mobile home and
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said that he lifted weights
on that front porch right there.
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Crawfordsville seemed
like 18,000 people.
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Very rural.
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Demographics of this area.
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Blue-collar.
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Everybody knows or has an idea
of everybody in the community.
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No, I don't think he was
real popular with the girls.
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Deep down, I think he was shy.
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Insecure.
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Insecure, yes.
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He always worshipped his mom
for her efforts and was always
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very complimentary of his
mom and loved her very much.
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His father departing their family
was a pivotal moment for him.
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I just think, and it's not
just Jim, but all three of my
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boys, they had such shame
that their dad could leave them.
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He'd come back and
go mushroom hunting.
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He'd come back and go to ball
games and never come to see his kids.
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Jim's dad leaving seems
to have been at least a
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beginning point of major
trust issues in his life.
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He had a lot of insecurities due to the
fact that he was 10 when his father left.
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I think it devastated him.
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I think, if I would be honest, having
five kids and having to work so
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much, that the kids didn't always
get the reassurance they needed.
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He didn't get all the
attention he needed.
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Growing up in a town
like Jim Helwig did,
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there's sort of the
haves and the have-nots.
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And when his dad left and wasn't
contributing financially to the family,
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suddenly Jim finds himself
as one of the have-nots.
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Jim felt that a lot of people in the
community looked down on him.
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He also very definitively said,
I'm going to show these people.
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I'm going to do
something with my life.
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Which, you think about it, this is a
17-year-old who has embraced this I'm
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going to conquer the world attitude
because of the way he feels that the
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people of his community had
rejected him and his family.
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He also then goes searching
for an identity beyond his father.
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And that's what ends
up leading him to sports.
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And Jim ends up
meeting Gary Pate.
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The first time I ever met Jim
would be at football practice.
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Back in 1975.
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The first time I ever saw Jim
was in this classroom right here.
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All the team members
were sitting in here.
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Well, when you saw some of these kids,
those guys were all about 6'2 and 220, 225.
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And Jim looked to be about,
at that time, 5'10 and 125.
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I'm sure he probably might have
weighed more, but he didn't look like it.
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As the year went
on, he found out that I
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would be in the weight
room when I had time.
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He'd ask if he could come in
with me, and I'd say, sure, yeah.
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Come in and lift all you want.
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And we would lift, and he
would be intense about his lifting.
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You have Jim and Gary, who for about three
years end up lifting together on sort of a
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cruddy old lifting machine
in their high school.
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This is how he learned to bond with
people, especially with paternal figures,
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working out with them
and lifting with them.
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By his senior year, Jim was utterly
fascinated with bodybuilding, and he was
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constantly trying to get his hands on
bodybuilding magazines and materials.
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He would apparently be looking at
these magazines and say things like,
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I can't wait till
I'm this massive.
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He had the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster
in his room, you know, he'd have his easy
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curl bar in there, and we'd be pumping iron
facing the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster.
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You know, and like, get it.
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You know?
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He knew that he needed to seek his
own ambitions, so he wasn't stuck in that
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rural area because we were either
going to a farm or working in a factory.
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But he didn't have no desire to
do either one of them for a living.
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Jim's pursuit of a
bodybuilding career
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seems to have manifested
in the early 1980s.
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But he makes a move over to
Georgia because he feels like there is,
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you know, a better opportunity for
the professional bodybuilding scene.
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During that time in Georgia,
he meets his future wife, Sherry.
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They get married.
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You know, he gets
married pretty young.
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He goes down to Atlanta
to try to start this career.
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You know, he's sort of
going through the stations of,
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like, what growing up and
entering adulthood looks like.
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And by 1984, he's made
the move to definitively
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try to get himself into
competition shape.
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And he does so and manages to win
a pretty significant competition in 1984.
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He wins Mr. Georgia.
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I knew that it would serve me well to
make my body different from everybody else,
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like a comic book character
who just walked off the pages.
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He was dedicated, and he had a goal
where he wanted to go with this lifting.
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He never said, I'm going to be
the world champion WWE and
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I'm going to pick up Andre
the Giant and body slam him.
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But he did say, I will one of these days
be a person that people will remember.
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He said, I'll guarantee you
that people will remember me.
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Today I'm boxing with my coach.
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I love boxing.
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I feel like my dad.
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I feel strong and
powerful when I do it.
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I love the intensity
that comes out.
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The release from
it feels like him.
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I would hear him
screaming out in the gym.
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I'm like, I'm a little bit like
him when I'm in the gym.
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Coming from my background,
growing up in a town of 600
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people, I stumbled into the
weight room we had at our school.
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Run of a kid.
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Scared of my own shadow.
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And I started gaining
weight really quick.
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And when I started gaining weight
and putting size on my body, I thought to
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myself, well, I can change
my life in other ways.
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It's something that I
can strive to get better at.
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And I can look back at
my younger self and think
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like, oh, I thought I
was so good back then.
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And then you climb the wall
and you get better and better.
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Well, in terms of becoming
a wrestler, never say never.
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So I scheduled an appointment
with the high school counselor.
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15 seconds after I started
telling her what I wanted to do,
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she put her hand up to my face
about 10 inches away from it.
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And she said, put that silly stuff away
and let me tell you what you need to do.
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This summer, you need
to get a job at the factory.
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Do a good job.
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Come back and
finish your senior year.
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And when you graduate, you
should be able to get a full-time job.
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Now, what else
can I help you with?
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For any bodybuilder, when you build
your body, it's like putting on your armor.
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You know, you're building
your muscle, which is your
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armor, to protect yourself
from who you are really inside.
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You can be this insecure person,
but now you're, you know, 240,
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250 pounds, you know, muscle.
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It totally makes sense that someone
without a male role model who's in search
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of what masculinity means
to them, it makes sense
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that they would look at
this world of bodybuilding.
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In the 80s, I mean, it's kind of
hard to imagine if you weren't there.
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But bodybuilding
was a huge deal.
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There was really only
one person everyone was
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talking about, and that
was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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He was in the movie Pumping Iron,
and those images became iconic.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger
becomes a huge star.
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I mean, arguably the
biggest star in Hollywood.
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How did he get there?
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It wasn't just, hey, let me go to acting
school and become this movie star.
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It was, oh, he goes to the gym
all the time, and he never quits.
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Jim says, I can do that.
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But if you really want to make it,
you've got to move to California.
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Gold's Gym Venice in
the 80s became the mecca.
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Gold's Gym became the standard for
anyone who wanted to become a bodybuilder.
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I contacted Jim, and I invited him out to
California to train for his next contest,
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because I thought he
had a lot of potential.
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Ed introduced me to
Jim, saying, here's a young
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guy who's trying to
win the national team.
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My first house in Venice was just two
blocks from the gym, so the guys would
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stay at the house and they
would learn from each other.
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You knew how they trained or what
they ate or what they took for supplements.
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Ed one day came into
this gym, and he wanted
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me to let this big
dude come in and train.
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This guy was a giant, you know?
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He wasn't just big,
he was kind of freaky.
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He had a freaky build,
a freaky physique.
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And when he walked
through the room or through
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the gym or anywhere
else, people went...
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He was a giant.
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Performance enhancing drugs
and steroids were definitely
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in fashion when it came
to the world of bodybuilding.
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Steroids were part of the regiment of
what you took to be a pro bodybuilder.
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What it did is it gave you the ability
to basically be in an anabolic state.
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You can train hours in the
gym and not break down.
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But the thing was, is
they were legal back then.
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You can actually have access to go to a
pharmacy and just buy them on your own.
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I think if people were
to open my refrigerator,
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they would have
probably been shocked.
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You know, most of the
steroids have to be refrigerated.
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So some of my family members would visit,
and so when they pulled out the fruit
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drawer, they got
something other than fruit.
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Then you can get it done, right?
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So I got up the courage one day.
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I weighed about 175 pounds.
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I go up to this guy as he's
leaving the gym, and I tapped him
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on the shoulder, and I said,
can I ask you about steroids?
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Before I even got the word
steroid out of my mouth,
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he turned around, the
guy just towered over me.
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He said, before I ever
heard about steroids,
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I was number three
in the whole world.
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But when you get
up there in that upper
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epsilon, there may be
a different set of rules.
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And what he was telling me as a young punk
kid of only 18 years old, he was saying,
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you get there, you do
what it takes to get there,
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and then you worry
about making that decision.
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I weighed 295 pounds
before I ever touched them.
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That's the story about steroids.
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And you better
get that story right.
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And the next
competitor is Jim Helwig.
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You know, guys like Jim, who, you know,
I saw as this big guy, you would think he
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would become a, you
know, a great pro bodybuilder.
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Jim's goals back then was basically, I
think, to make money and have a great job.
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You only made money
when you were a top pro.
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But if you didn't place and win the
nationals or you didn't win the Mr.
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USAs, you really weren't
gonna make money.
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On some level, he had to come to
the realization that just being a great
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bodybuilder in and of itself was not
going to make him rich and famous.
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I guess his path was to go more
towards becoming a professional wrestler,
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you know, where he
saw money to be made.
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In the early 80s,
wrestling was a big deal.
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It was on TV a lot.
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The wrestlers were trained
at Gold's Gym Venice.
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So we actually formed
our own then Gold's Gym
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team, which was
composed of two tag teams.
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Out of the four, we had, you know, a
big monster that just disappeared one day.
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And I said, hey, I remember
meeting this guy, Jim Hellwig.
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He had just won a
bodybuilding competition.
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He's huge.
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We should call him.
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When I talked with Jim, I explained that
we had lost the big member of our team,
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and he'd be perfect for it.
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He said, what does it pay?
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And when I told him
$100 a night, he said,
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well, that's more money
than I'm making now.
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We sent out press kits.
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We got one phone call back.
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It was about three days later, but we
got a phone call back from Jerry Jarrett.
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He said, yeah, I'm looking at
a picture, and I got four guys
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in this picture, but he says,
I can only use two of them.
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Well, which two do you want?
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He goes, I want the two guys to the
far left in this picture I'm looking at.
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So we got in the car,
my 83 T-bird, and we left
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California, and we drove
out to Nashville, Tennessee.
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And that's where it started.
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Right now, we would like to welcome in a
couple of brand-new faces to championship
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wrestling, a couple of guys you're
gonna get to know and know well, too.
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We're talking about the
Freedom Fighters, Jim Hellwig.
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Jim, glad to have you
here, and Steve Borden.
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Steve, glad to
have you guys here.
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This is your first
time out here.
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We want to get a little
background on you.
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How about you guys married?
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Have families or what?
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No, we're single.
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We're looking forward
to meeting y'all.
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You're both single?
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Yeah, we're single.
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You hear that, girls?
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You're both single here.
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I want to get that around.
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My first reaction was, wow.
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I saw two good-looking guys that were
gonna draw the girls into the matches,
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and that's what it was
all about for us back then.
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Back in the day, we never told anybody
they were married or you were engaged or
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anything else because it would hurt
the girls from coming to the buildings.
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They're young.
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They still got a lot to learn in
wrestling, but, boy, they're young.
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They sure have got the
physical attributes, baby.
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There was no sort
of gracefulness.
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There was no slow
and poetic storytelling.
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It was just, boom, energy,
and I'm coming, and
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I'm hitting you as hard
as I can, and I'm leaving.
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It doesn't necessarily
connect with the audience.
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Like, why are we cheering
for these good guys, just
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beating the snot out of
these much smaller guys?
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And so they had to make a
shift because it wasn't working.
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Our thought was, yeah, let's change,
let's go heel, let's change our look,
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and let's come up with something
real, you know, kind of freaky-looking.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the most awesome tag
team in professional wrestling, the Pro.
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Before long, Steve Borden and Jim Hellwig
were repackaged into the Blade Runners.
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I think that they realized that
intensity was what they had to offer.
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So the promos that you would
see were just guys working out.
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They weren't saying anything, but it
was just, we're super intense dudes,
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and we can lift super heavy things,
and sometimes we wear mascara.
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The matches were horrible with those guys,
and it was one of those situations where
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at the time, we could have taken
them and maybe spent a lot of time and,
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you know, put them in opening matches
and tried to train them, but these guys
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already thought that they were ready for
the big time just because of their look.
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As Hellwig and Borden,
working on Phil Higgerson,
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and now Buddy Wayne
sluts him with that shoe.
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Jim Hellwig had sort of reached
this peak of physical perfection, right?
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He goes to pro wrestling
in search of fame and
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fortune, and then he sort
of has to start over, right?
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He has to start paying his dues.
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He's not making any money.
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He's traveling.
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He's on the road all the time.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the most
awesome tag team in professional wrestling!
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We were on, you know, the 4th of July,
you know, a matinee show, evening show.
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New Year's Eve, New
Year's Day, Christmas Eve,
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Christmas Day, Easter
Sunday, it didn't matter.
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We were doing two shows a day.
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This man is just so powerful.
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Punishing kicks.
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Things get tough.
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Things were so bad.
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I was driving used
taxi cabs that had like
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four or five hundred
thousand miles on them.
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It was just incredible.
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Nice move by Brett.
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Drop kick.
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He was very much so, you know,
opinionated kind of a guy, and,
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you know, and he was not
shy about sharing his opinion.
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It didn't matter what
the topic was, you know.
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We actually walked
away at one time.
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We walked out on our main event,
and the next day I got a phone call.
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You need to come up
to Little Rock tonight.
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Bill's holding a couple
of your paychecks.
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You'll never get them unless you
come and put a notice in and finish out.
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So I said, okay, you
know, let me try to get a
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hold of Jim and see if
we can make this happen.
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I couldn't get Jim anywhere.
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So I went and did the show and came
back, and the next day Jim was pretty hot.
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You know, like, what'd you do?
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What are you doing?
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How could you do that to me?
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I said, Jim, what are
you talking about?
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He was real pissed.
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And that ultimately
ended up, you know,
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leading to, you know,
us parting ways as well.
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The Blade Runners, no
doubt about it, are big, strong
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individuals, but I don't think
they've got what it takes inside.
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And I'm speaking
of intestinal fortitude.
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I think he just wanted
to kind of go off on
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his own, and it ended
up he was probably right.
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Hellwig decides he's
going to leave, and he has
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an opening with WCCW
over in the Dallas area.
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Welcome to World Class Championship
Wrestling, the major league of
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professional wrestling, seen around
the world and across this great nation.
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WCCW had really an international
following of sorts because
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the Von Eriks were like
a first family of wrestling.
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They had an audience that was very unique
in the history of wrestling, and a large
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percentage of the audience
was women, and it was all
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about really good-looking
guys with great bodies.
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So Jim comes in, and, I mean, Jim is,
like, perfect for that specific audience.
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I remember the first night I drove in
there, they came up to me and said,
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Warrior, he's got a warrior thing
about him or something like that.
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Then somebody came in.
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He had a little puppy,
a new puppy, and they
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were asking him
what kind of dog it was.
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He said, Dingo.
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And somebody just, you know, somebody that
was, you know, not quite sober yet said,
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Dingo, Dingo
Warrior, that'll work.
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We'll do that tonight.
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So that was the beginning
of the Dingo Warrior thing.
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From Queens, New York,
287 pounds, the Dingo Warrior.
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He was billed as being
from Queens, New York.
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So there's no dingoes in Queens.
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Dingoes are Australian.
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And the word dingo is
just a ridiculous, silly word.
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It just sounds hilarious
and not intimidating.
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Look at the awesome physical
beauty of the Dingo Warrior.
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I'll tell you, Brian, this
crowd's behind him, too, 100%.
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So you bring any freaking
nature you want to to world class.
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Because believe me, brother, I've
looked in the eyes of darkness before.
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And I'm not scared of it.
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And I never will be with
the warriors behind my back.
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As the Dingo Warrior, Jim Hellwig
gets a noticeable following in WCCW.
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Follow the Dingo Man.
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It was very obvious to me that the
business, it was going in a direction
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where it wasn't so much like Dick the
Bruiser and the Crusher, those kinds of
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wrestlers that I remembered as
a kid growing up with in Indiana.
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And that something
different was going on with it.
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You know, I was painting
the logo on my face.
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Dingo Warrior, to me, was the
poor version of the Ultimate Warrior.
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I didn't really have much money
to spend on that kind of stuff.
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But it just grew, man.
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It really turned into
something really fantastic.
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And here's a man of awesome proportions
who has to be counted on to be one of the
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major influences in
professional wrestling today.
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Duke has won Dingo!
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So Jim returns to the Fountain
Central 10-year reunion.
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He has not only won Mr. Georgia, but
he has also become the Dingo Warrior.
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He's enormous.
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280 pounds, solid muscle.
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This was not a coming
back to sort of mend fences
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or to connect with people
he didn't connect with.
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His whole take was, if
you had been his friend in
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his youth, come sit with
me, we're going to hang out.
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And for those people who tried to be more
chummy with him, that had not given him
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the time of day in his
youth, he had no interest.
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He won a couple bottles of
champagne for the person that
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had changed the most and the
person that drove the furthest.
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And I remember him opening
the champagne and having us
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all drink a little bit of it,
you know, celebrating.
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Just our reunion
together as friends.
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He didn't forget where
he came from, okay?
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Jim was a loyal friend.
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If you hung in there with
him, he hung in there with you.
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Now with the pin, two,
three, the Devo Jack Victory.
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Jim Hellwig was a remarkably
creative human being.
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Part of it is the look,
and I think part of it
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as well is the fact
that he's just different.
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When Vince McMahon sees
Jim Hellwig in 1987, he sees the
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picture-perfect mold for
what he's putting out there.
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He sees there's definitely something there,
but I'm going to make this thing my own.
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The power of the ultimate...
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In the territory days, the WWE
was just the New York territory.
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The recognized symbol of
excellence in sports entertainment.
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By the time people of my age bracket were
invested, the WWE had become the territory.
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They were hitting cable TV,
being seen all over the world.
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Vince McMahon is as
responsible for the success of
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the WWE as anyone is
for the success of anything.
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This is this guy who took everything
his father started and said, that's great,
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I like what you're doing here, but
what if we took over the world with it?
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And Dingo is the winner!
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So Jim Hellwig as the Dingo Warrior is in
WCCW, and Vince McMahon takes one look at
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him and he says, okay,
I'll give that guy a shot.
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The ultimate warrior.
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The ultimate warrior
was a Vince McMahon.
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Vince McMahon creation.
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His first attempt to
create a star once he
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already had all the
eyeballs on his company.
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He's a strong, powerful man.
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There's something Vince told me at
one time, and I'll always remember this,
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but he sat down with me
and he said, you know,
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Jimmy, I'm looking
for my next attraction.
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Somebody bigger than life.
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Somebody that can walk
through any airport in the world and
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even a casual wrestling fan
will go, oh my God, look who it is.
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The power of the warrior flowing
through those... Oh, what a clothesline!
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He was the only person that would run, and
I mean top speed, all the way to the ring.
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You had the Hulkamania with the red
and yellow, the bright colors, the tan,
458
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:08,205
and all of a sudden you
got a guy come in, but
459
00:27:08,229 --> 00:27:10,320
instead of red and
yellow, he's got neon on.
460
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:18,670
Except for Hulk Hogan, he was
the most popular guy they had.
461
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:19,830
Very quickly.
462
00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:22,553
The audience would react
to him, they started reacting
463
00:27:22,577 --> 00:27:24,410
to him very well, and I
thought, hmm, okay then.
464
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,750
Maybe we do have something here.
465
00:27:26,030 --> 00:27:28,350
What an impressive
showing he is by the way.
466
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:29,370
The ultimate warrior.
467
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:32,930
You can see that he's
on a clear trajectory.
468
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:35,423
That Vince is like
writing this script that will
469
00:27:35,424 --> 00:27:37,890
put him following in the
footsteps of Hulk Hogan.
470
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:45,750
Ladies and gentlemen, this contest is
for the Intercontinental Championship.
471
00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:49,850
Honky Tonk Man's gonna defend
the Intercontinental Championship.
472
00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:53,270
Get me somebody out of here!
473
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:56,210
Against an unnamed opponent.
474
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:58,850
And you're waiting to
hear who it's gonna be.
475
00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:00,970
And that music hits.
476
00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:10,840
I mean, as Gorilla Monsoon
says, pandemonium.
477
00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,000
Here at the
CineGram, we include...
478
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:14,380
It's the ultimate warrior!
479
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:23,710
I remember what
it felt like, man.
480
00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:27,850
It was f***ing
awesome, you know.
481
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:31,550
Ultimate warrior exploding!
482
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:38,650
It was just non-stop energy
for less than 30 seconds.
483
00:28:38,651 --> 00:28:40,451
And there was a new
Intercontinental Champion.
484
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:48,880
It just shocked
the wrestling world.
485
00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:50,020
Nobody expected it, right?
486
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,456
Because we'd had
the belt for over a year.
487
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,360
And I think that's what really gave
him the little rocket that he needed.
488
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:55,860
It is unbelievable!
489
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,620
A newly crowned
Intercontinental Champion!
490
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:07,940
It was just another critical step in him
becoming the biggest wrestler in WWE.
491
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:11,280
Take the safe robbery!
492
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:12,820
I'm gonna take it.
493
00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:14,220
There you go.
494
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,300
Thanks a lot, man.
495
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:23,300
This is WWE letting the
world know this is the next guy.
496
00:29:23,665 --> 00:29:25,545
This is this guy that
you think might be a star.
497
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:27,220
He is a superstar.
498
00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:30,500
Please welcome the man
known as the ultimate warrior.
499
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:38,200
I think the ultimate warrior was a
great match for the late 80s, early 90s.
500
00:29:38,201 --> 00:29:40,739
Everything was about
being as big and strong
501
00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:42,880
and bombastic as a
character as possible.
502
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,240
He was a cartoon
character come to life.
503
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,400
So my earliest memories of the ultimate
warrior are of this, like, madman covered
504
00:29:50,401 --> 00:29:55,180
in tassels and of a doll that I wanted
to cuddle and take to bed with me.
505
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:09,060
Now because he is successful,
now he's got that target on his back.
506
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,540
This guy's only been in
the business for five years.
507
00:30:13,865 --> 00:30:15,800
I've been in this
business for 20 years.
508
00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,660
What dues did he pay?
509
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,440
There's all that going
on in the locker room.
510
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,700
I got the sense that
he really was a loner.
511
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,460
Warrior was very much
at times an overgrown kid.
512
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,540
Having known a lot of his personal
life, he never really got to be a kid.
513
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:32,780
You know, came
from a broken home.
514
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,860
Had to grow up
and mature quickly.
515
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,421
So I do think that the warrior
character, that's why he fell
516
00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:42,760
in love with it so much because
it was an extension of him.
517
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,925
And he got to escape
and do those things and
518
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:48,061
live probably a lot of
things he never got to do.
519
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,580
We were in town.
520
00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:57,000
I mean, it only made sense that they look,
you know, come home and let's have dinner,
521
00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:57,520
you know.
522
00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:01,620
And my wife would fix dinner and it was
a breath of fresh air to have him there.
523
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,880
It was so different, you know.
524
00:31:02,881 --> 00:31:05,340
And he really wanted
that environment.
525
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:08,160
You could tell he was
attracted to that environment.
526
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:17,580
There was very few people that were
invited to come over to my parents' house.
527
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Would he help do the dishes?
528
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:22,700
You know what?
529
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,360
If he was asked, he would have.
530
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:26,200
He would definitely
do the dishes.
531
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,440
He was just that type of guy.
532
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:33,480
My dad was a father figure to
many and definitely was to Warrior.
533
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,480
And I think it was just that family
dynamic that Jim always aspired to have.
534
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:52,900
They end up having Warrior feud with Andre
the Giant, who had previously been the
535
00:31:52,901 --> 00:31:55,020
most beloved wrestler,
maybe, on the planet.
536
00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:02,660
You see, the ultimate maniac has
felt these large hands around his neck.
537
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:06,020
He is feeling right
now the Intercontinental
538
00:32:06,032 --> 00:32:08,640
Championship
slipping off his waist.
539
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,740
One of the big values of Andre the
Giant was that if somebody beats him or if
540
00:32:14,741 --> 00:32:17,540
somebody can slam him,
they're a household name.
541
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,245
And Hulk Hogan body
slamming Andre the Giant at
542
00:32:20,246 --> 00:32:24,460
WrestleMania III is the thing
that set Hulkamania in motion.
543
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,420
Look at this!
544
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,180
He slammed the Giant!
545
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:31,504
And you, Andre the Giant,
will realize that the power will
546
00:32:31,505 --> 00:32:35,520
become the eighth one in
the world as we eat you alive!
547
00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:42,140
Andre never did anything
he didn't want to do.
548
00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:44,720
It was frightening the first
time he told me to slam him.
549
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:55,870
I knew what it meant to the character,
Ultimate Warrior, and how much over that
550
00:32:55,871 --> 00:32:58,230
character would be by
being allowed to do that.
551
00:33:03,370 --> 00:33:06,970
So now you're able to really
think of, like, Ultimate Warrior.
552
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:08,630
He's on the same
level as Hulk Hogan.
553
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,740
Because up until that
moment, the greatest thing Hulk
554
00:33:10,741 --> 00:33:12,751
Hogan had ever achieved
was beating Andre the Giant.
555
00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:14,990
Well, now Ultimate Warrior's
beating Andre the Giant.
556
00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:16,770
You slammed Andre.
557
00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:19,090
I slammed Andre.
558
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:24,250
You can beat everybody else on the
roster, but after you slam Andre the Giant,
559
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,650
there's only one place left
to go, and that's Hulk Hogan.
560
00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:43,125
There, you didn't cry for Santa.
561
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:45,330
You were too little.
562
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,110
It's been seven years since we lost
Warrior, and now we're actually able to
563
00:33:51,111 --> 00:33:54,650
look at the memories and enjoy
them and revel in them and laugh.
564
00:33:56,030 --> 00:34:00,730
Warrior's role at Christmastime was,
like, the biggest elf you've ever met.
565
00:34:00,870 --> 00:34:01,870
And he'd negotiate.
566
00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:02,170
Didn't he?
567
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:02,890
Negotiate.
568
00:34:02,891 --> 00:34:03,370
He would negotiate.
569
00:34:03,371 --> 00:34:05,130
There was a lot of
negotiation on Christmas.
570
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:05,770
Absolutely.
571
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:07,470
About what you guys deserved.
572
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:07,970
Yes.
573
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:10,359
Every morning on Christmas,
we'd wake up with a note
574
00:34:10,434 --> 00:34:13,150
about what we should
improve on for the next year.
575
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:13,390
Yep.
576
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,066
Because next year
it might be cold.
577
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:16,090
And it was detailed.
578
00:34:16,150 --> 00:34:18,890
It was scary, but then you had to
get over it and you'd get present.
579
00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:20,070
And I was like, wait,
this is dad's hair now.
580
00:34:20,071 --> 00:34:21,071
I'm glad.
581
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:28,150
For me and the girls, it's
about his legacy as a father.
582
00:34:28,565 --> 00:34:30,930
But for millions of
fans, it will always be
583
00:34:30,931 --> 00:34:34,571
about what he did in
the ring with Hulk Hogan.
584
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:39,470
I think it's pretty incredible to imagine
he only had five years in the business and
585
00:34:39,471 --> 00:34:43,610
he was tasked with the job
of replacing a veritable legend.
586
00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:48,390
Hulk Hogan in the 80s
literally was wrestling.
587
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:52,350
He was just a And just remember
Hulkamania was running wild.
588
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:52,790
Crazy.
589
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:53,890
Thank you, Hulk.
590
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:59,048
He ushered in a new,
larger than life, almost
591
00:34:59,049 --> 00:35:02,210
cartoonish era of
professional wrestling.
592
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:07,245
Hulk Hogan over the six
years leading to WrestleMania
593
00:35:07,246 --> 00:35:10,050
VI had turned Hulkamania
into a phenomenon.
594
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:16,030
I am a real American Remember
what's going on in the ring?
595
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:17,350
Hulk is posing.
596
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:19,146
We're in a celebration We
want a celebration mood.
597
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:21,110
We want the
opposite of that, okay?
598
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:23,935
Hulk Hogan and the
Ultimate Warrior at the
599
00:35:23,936 --> 00:35:26,430
time, they're your top
good guys in the WWE.
600
00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:31,590
So when they start to flirt with this idea
that there may be some animosity between
601
00:35:31,591 --> 00:35:34,270
Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate
Warrior, you're going, wait a minute.
602
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:40,881
Balea and Helwig had a
rivalry with one another, and they
603
00:35:40,882 --> 00:35:44,350
had a mutual professional
jealousy, which made sense.
604
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:50,785
How could there not
be professional envy and
605
00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:53,770
jealousy between Hulk Hogan
and the Ultimate Warrior?
606
00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:56,290
Another elbow into
the Hulkster's chest!
607
00:35:56,650 --> 00:36:01,190
Ultimate Warrior was
designed to replace Hulk Hogan.
608
00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:03,090
How could Hulk
Hogan not resent that?
609
00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:04,970
Why don't my
eyes run to the ring?
610
00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:06,170
The Ultimate Warrior!
611
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:13,120
Why don't I understand the
Warrior's thinking on this?
612
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,660
Why should he run to
the ring and save Hogan?
613
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,480
How could Warrior
not resent that?
614
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:19,736
Why should he not
resent Hulk Hogan?
615
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,220
If you're gonna compete with somebody
for the number one spot, by design,
616
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,640
you have to think, here's
why I'm better than that person.
617
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,840
Wait a minute.
618
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:31,220
What's going on?
619
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,735
The very nature of that
competition between the two is
620
00:36:34,736 --> 00:36:37,580
going to breed envy and
jealousy between the two of them.
621
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:41,520
Both champions, Hulk Hogan and
the Ultimate Warrior, want to be sure the
622
00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:45,260
other is healthy for Sunday afternoon,
April 1st, the World Wrestling Federation
623
00:36:45,261 --> 00:36:47,760
Champion against the
Intercontinental Champion.
624
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,120
This was a big topic of
conversation among 11-year-olds.
625
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:56,180
Who's gonna win Ultimate
Warrior to Hulk Hogan?
626
00:36:56,260 --> 00:36:58,220
I mean, for us, this was
like, you know, Magic vs.
627
00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:58,680
Bird.
628
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,100
At the end of WrestleMania, it'll be
the Hulkster and God they still trust.
629
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,080
The official signing of the
match at WrestleMania.
630
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,600
Look into my eyes, Hulk Hogan!
631
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:15,940
You see nothingness!
632
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:20,940
Jim, always give me
a little pause there.
633
00:37:20,941 --> 00:37:24,020
I think when you finish off, you
know, count to two before you...
634
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:29,940
Warrior not only has to step into the ring
with Hogan, has to carry the main event
635
00:37:29,941 --> 00:37:33,680
with Hogan, has to live up to the
box office expectations with Hogan.
636
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,680
It's gonna beat Hogan?
637
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,180
The pressure on
Warrior to deliver.
638
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:46,940
It's mind-boggling to think
that pressure didn't crush him.
639
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:49,920
The Ultimate Warrior!
640
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,580
Listen to the ovation!
641
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:54,700
You
642
00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:04,630
can't build to a match like this
and then go for five minutes.
643
00:38:05,050 --> 00:38:09,650
So this became a test of, okay, now
that we've got Hulk Hogan and the
644
00:38:09,651 --> 00:38:15,010
Ultimate Warrior together, can we
have these guys do a 25-minute match?
645
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:18,550
Can we do a match where
a real story is being told?
646
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:21,050
You can bet the adrenaline
is already floating.
647
00:38:21,051 --> 00:38:22,051
And here we go.
648
00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:23,110
Warrior
649
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,560
learned a lot from Hulk Hogan.
650
00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:34,140
But there's always that little
piece, you want to be the top dog.
651
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:35,820
And Warrior was hungry for it.
652
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:42,240
They both get
their time to shine.
653
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:42,860
Unbelievable!
654
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,300
Hogan has never
had anyone do that!
655
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,772
And they both get that
moment where, as a fan, you're
656
00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:49,761
like, well, this is the
moment where Hulk wins.
657
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:54,540
That moment that
we've all seen before.
658
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,380
Hulk Hogan is hitting the ropes.
659
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,140
He's dropping a leg.
660
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,080
He... Oh!
661
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,400
He moved out of the way!
662
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:06,100
Look out, the big splash!
663
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,280
One, two!
664
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
He got him!
665
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:18,050
Hulk Hogan was
still hot in 90, okay?
666
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:22,610
When he takes that Warrior pin right in
the middle of the ring, no funny business,
667
00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:26,310
and loses outright to the
Warrior and makes Warrior king.
668
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:31,460
This is not the same
as doing that for
669
00:39:31,472 --> 00:39:34,210
someone when you are
clearly on the way down.
670
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:35,530
Oh, look at this!
671
00:39:35,531 --> 00:39:39,810
Hulk presented the belt and
raised the hand of the Warrior!
672
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:45,710
That was both Hogan and the
company anointing somebody new.
673
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:50,330
And it was a major deal to
be able to beat Hulk Hogan.
674
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,690
I think Jim was idolized.
675
00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:58,490
That filled something up
inside of him that he needed.
676
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:05,690
Other people, you know, that have said, you
know, Warrior never respected the business.
677
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:08,570
You know, he just wanted to
get in, make a paycheck, get out.
678
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:09,690
That was not true.
679
00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:13,096
Warrior came back
through the curtain after
680
00:40:13,097 --> 00:40:15,951
that match with Hogan
and completely broke down.
681
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:17,210
You know, emotionally.
682
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:23,350
He was finally at the very pinnacle of the
business that he worked so hard to get to.
683
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:29,830
The fact that I took the belt from Hulk in
the way that I did with the clean finish,
684
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:33,670
I mean, the weight of that.
685
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:39,710
You know, that saying about it's
not the destination, it's the journey.
686
00:40:39,790 --> 00:40:40,790
It's true for me.
687
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,230
I was so emotional
after it happened.
688
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:46,330
But within a day or two, I
was thinking, what's next?
689
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,790
At WrestleMania, Warrior, you
lived up to the ultimate challenge.
690
00:40:54,070 --> 00:40:55,070
And then some.
691
00:40:55,290 --> 00:40:58,150
But now, you face a
challenge of a different kind.
692
00:40:58,570 --> 00:41:02,292
The Ultimate Warrior title
reign as World Champion
693
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:05,430
was in some ways actually
the beginning of the end.
694
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,090
I can feel it!
695
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:13,170
I can feel that I
have been chosen.
696
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:16,670
He was pure
kinetic energy, right?
697
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:21,010
And the story that they told was
a missile being shot into space.
698
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:23,530
The climb is exhilarating.
699
00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:26,950
But once you get there,
the story just sort of fizzles.
700
00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:28,950
They didn't set up
the right guys for him.
701
00:41:29,050 --> 00:41:30,710
And it did not get him
off on the right track.
702
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:33,910
The first thing they do is
they brought in Rick Rude.
703
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:34,770
He was a retread.
704
00:41:34,890 --> 00:41:36,410
Warrior had already
beaten him before.
705
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:38,450
He had matches
with The Undertaker.
706
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:39,250
You're scared!
707
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:40,950
And you're going to be scared!
708
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:41,350
Oh, wait a minute!
709
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:42,410
You're going to be scared!
710
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:44,850
Not in there!
711
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:46,510
Not in the casket!
712
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:49,750
And it ends up going into
Jake the Snake Roberts.
713
00:41:50,110 --> 00:41:51,690
What do you think
about that, Warrior?
714
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:54,310
Just a few friends of mine, huh?
715
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:56,810
What if I tap the flexing glass?
716
00:41:56,910 --> 00:41:57,170
Strike.
717
00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:57,970
Here it comes.
718
00:41:58,170 --> 00:41:59,170
Tapping counter.
719
00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:06,890
Warrior's walking around in that locker
room with eyes in the back of his head.
720
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,530
You got guys that
are jealous of him.
721
00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:14,530
In front of the cameras, in front of
the fans, that was Warrior's safe haven.
722
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:15,770
That was never the issue.
723
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:20,082
But when he had to
walk back into that locker
724
00:42:20,083 --> 00:42:23,370
room, he knew exactly
what he was dealing with.
725
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:24,806
That's where the pressure came.
726
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:25,290
Hang on.
727
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:25,850
Hang on.
728
00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:26,930
Keep his attention, folks.
729
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:27,430
Keep his attention.
730
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:28,010
There you go.
731
00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:29,070
We see him now.
732
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,014
I don't think you really
know if somebody's
733
00:42:31,015 --> 00:42:32,670
up to the job until
they get there, right?
734
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:35,007
I don't know what
expectations Vince had set and
735
00:42:35,008 --> 00:42:37,010
what the Ultimate
Warrior wasn't living up to.
736
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:40,530
Something had to be telling
Vince McMahon that this project
737
00:42:40,531 --> 00:42:43,271
wasn't succeeding to the degree
that he had hoped that it would.
738
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,140
Immediately, it was like, okay, the
decision is to get the belt back on
739
00:42:58,141 --> 00:42:59,886
Hogan because Warrior
didn't draw good enough.
740
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:03,880
But at the time, I think everybody figured
that Warrior was gonna be champion for
741
00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:05,457
three or four years,
and it was less than a
742
00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:08,561
full year before they
took it away from him.
743
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Warrior is not
going to fall into line.
744
00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:22,220
This is not somebody you are going
to control, and they have to know this.
745
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,720
Jim Hellwig went to
the beat of his own drum.
746
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:30,980
Whatever that beat was telling him,
whether it was good for him or detrimental
747
00:43:30,981 --> 00:43:34,620
to him, he went and walked
to the beat of his own drum.
748
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,229
There were times where,
you know, he was completely
749
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:41,040
isolated, and sometimes
he was just really on edge.
750
00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:45,380
So there's a story that a kid
approaches Ultimate Warrior at an airport,
751
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,600
as most people do.
752
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:49,800
You know, that's half the reason Vince
grabs these guys, is because when they
753
00:43:49,801 --> 00:43:51,916
walk through an airport, you
can't look away from them.
754
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:55,920
He's got his sunglasses on, and this
kid comes up to him, and he's asking,
755
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,220
you know, if he's
the Ultimate Warrior.
756
00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:59,980
And, like, he snaps
on this little kid.
757
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,140
I was like, whoa.
758
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,880
This kid's parents were
pretty connected to the WWE.
759
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,260
That posed a problem for Jim
when Vince heard about this.
760
00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:17,060
So Vince is so upset that he makes Jim
actually record a video apology to the kid.
761
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:18,520
It's Vince's apology.
762
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:22,576
But not in the
Warrior's character.
763
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,640
I mean, I'm humbly apologizing, but I'm
not saying what I'm humbly apologizing for.
764
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,240
That's right.
765
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,520
I know what the gimmick's
for, but I mean, what's it for?
766
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:32,860
In three, two...
767
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:37,800
I understand that there comes times
in everyone's life when they may regret
768
00:44:37,801 --> 00:44:41,481
certain things... regret certain
things that they should... This...
769
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:42,280
Yeah, I know.
770
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,476
I don't know what the to say.
771
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:45,076
I didn't say nothing
to the goddamn kid.
772
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:45,220
You don't have to say anything.
773
00:44:45,221 --> 00:44:45,740
I understand that.
774
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:50,221
Well, no, you don't, because I'm making
a videotape to some kid... It's a work.
775
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,420
...about an apology.
776
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:51,870
It's a work.
777
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,240
That's all it is.
778
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:53,940
It's a work.
779
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:54,920
We're working here.
780
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:55,560
That's it.
781
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:56,660
I'm working here.
782
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:57,600
There's two matches left.
783
00:44:57,660 --> 00:45:00,060
I'm working here making an
apology for something I didn't do.
784
00:45:00,955 --> 00:45:02,520
This guy's really...
Whatever I should have...
785
00:45:02,521 --> 00:45:06,360
Whatever I was supposed to have said
to the guy, I wish I had said to the guy.
786
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:18,020
There shall never come a time that any one
of the WWF that I shall take revenge upon
787
00:45:18,021 --> 00:45:23,000
that person and vanquish them
from this universe and sue me.
788
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:29,900
No one that walks within the World
Wrestling Federation shall ever,
789
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,100
never offend you without answering
to the power of the ultimate warrior.
790
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,980
But then the very next day, he sits
down and he writes Vince a letter.
791
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:52,288
It's as if years of
frustration and anger have
792
00:45:52,289 --> 00:45:56,701
just boiled over and
he can't take it anymore.
793
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,560
1991 was a definitive
moment in Jim Hellwig's life.
794
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,540
Around January of 1991, he
and his wife filed divorce papers.
795
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,700
At the same time, the WWE decided that they
were going to go in a different direction.
796
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,230
And so that same month
that he's filing divorce
797
00:46:18,231 --> 00:46:21,541
papers, he also loses
his status as champion.
798
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:29,480
Going through the divorce, needing
the money, all of those things sort of work
799
00:46:29,481 --> 00:46:33,840
together to reignite some of that
financial anxiety that he had as a child.
800
00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,482
You know, a lot of the scars
throughout Jim Hellwig's life
801
00:46:37,483 --> 00:46:39,796
are definitely like coming
It's coming to the surface now.
802
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:43,560
The Ultimate Warrior!
803
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,396
You realize that, sure,
Ultimate Warrior looked like he
804
00:46:47,476 --> 00:46:50,540
had never been better, but
Jim is going through a divorce.
805
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:54,940
And Jim is having arguments with Vince,
and he's blowing up on fans at the airport.
806
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:57,540
And you realize that
there's more to it than that.
807
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920
Ultimate Warrior seemed like he was just
sort of at his wit's end with Vince, right?
808
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:02,256
He's like, I've
tried to talk to you.
809
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,396
I've tried to
bring this stuff up.
810
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:04,460
Let me try something else.
811
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:05,800
I'm going to write a letter.
812
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,500
Vince, writing this is
a different approach.
813
00:47:10,635 --> 00:47:12,860
I have been from day one
different from the others.
814
00:47:13,265 --> 00:47:17,160
I have sacrificed myself enough both in
my personal life and physical well-being.
815
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:22,543
What Hellwig says to
McMahon is, I know what
816
00:47:22,544 --> 00:47:25,741
Hogan has gotten,
and that's what I want.
817
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,400
I have sacrificed more than $500,000,
more than a million dollars even,
818
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,340
in monies that I should have been paid
to me in receiving equal treatment as Hulk.
819
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:40,100
I And he proceeds to give a list of
demands about the things that he wants.
820
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,260
About equal pay for Hogan,
equal royalties for Hogan.
821
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:47,480
He wants all of the same
benefits that Hulk Hogan gets.
822
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,720
The videotaped apology
was the icing on the cake.
823
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:54,760
You see it as a business, so whether
I like it or not I must do the same.
824
00:47:55,570 --> 00:47:57,980
Whatever your decision,
I can and will live with it.
825
00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,820
Till then, I remain at
home with one who cares.
826
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:05,940
Hellwig appears to be
saying to Vince, I'm not
827
00:48:05,941 --> 00:48:09,041
going to show up until
you meet these demands.
828
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,040
That's a cardinal sin in the
world of professional wrestling.
829
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,580
WWE have not only, in the micro sense,
spent all this time marketing SummerSlam,
830
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,160
but in the macro sense, all this time
marketing the Ultimate Warrior character.
831
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,861
Like, they can't just say, alright, we'll
go home, we'll just do it without you.
832
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:32,960
No one would take kindly to them,
but of all the people in the world who
833
00:48:32,961 --> 00:48:37,520
would not take kindly to essentially
being bullied, it would be Vince McMahon.
834
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,880
When I get this
letter, it's a shock.
835
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:43,840
It's like, oh, it's
kicking the guts.
836
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:45,840
It felt like I was
burned, so to speak.
837
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,720
I told Jim we would work it out,
indicating that we might do this deal.
838
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,200
That he was looking for, oh,
okay, we'll talk at the Garden.
839
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:55,600
And I couldn't wait to fire him.
840
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:59,060
What an ovation for
the Ultimate Warrior!
841
00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:03,430
Can he be trusted?
842
00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:08,130
Vince McMahon came into my locker room
and he said, well, the Ultimate Warrior is
843
00:49:08,131 --> 00:49:14,950
holding me up for $500,000 and he
wants to be paid before he wrestles.
844
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:20,870
Then, through the locker
room door comes Hulk Hogan.
845
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:25,070
And he said, Sarge, you throw the Warrior
out on the floor and I'll come into the
846
00:49:25,071 --> 00:49:28,090
ring and I'll jump on you and you
and I will head off to the corner.
847
00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:32,610
And while we're doing that, Cheeky,
you jump down and you break his leg.
848
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:35,970
And Vince went, no,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
849
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,350
I don't need a lawsuit
on top of all this.
850
00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:46,330
There's a spot at the end of the match
where Hellwig grabs a chair and chases
851
00:49:46,331 --> 00:49:50,430
Mustafa and Adnan out
of the ring and backstage.
852
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:52,430
Warrior's got a chair!
853
00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:58,970
As he comes back through,
he's told, Vince wants to see you.
854
00:49:59,050 --> 00:50:02,550
At which point, Vince gives
him a several-page letter.
855
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:07,050
Talking about how Hulk
Hogan is a living legend.
856
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:11,517
He is more popular than
you, has more years in
857
00:50:11,518 --> 00:50:14,471
the ring than you, is in
greater demand than you.
858
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:16,790
And then he hits
Jim very personally.
859
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:20,190
He says, you have become a
living legend in your own mind.
860
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:26,390
Probably everything that Jim
Hellwig would not have wanted to hear.
861
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:33,410
He then details the fact that, Jim, you
are suspended for no fewer than 19 years.
862
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:36,488
I think that Vince
wrote something that
863
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:40,030
cutting, because I
think Vince felt insulted.
864
00:50:40,465 --> 00:50:43,690
It was so outrageous,
the demand was.
865
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:49,250
And just so far overreached, it told
me, obviously, he really didn't understand.
866
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:55,530
Often, our performers will start believing
in themselves more than they should and
867
00:50:55,531 --> 00:50:58,410
can't separate Jim Hellwig
from the Ultimate Warrior.
868
00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:00,310
And that happens to
a lot of our performers.
869
00:51:02,125 --> 00:51:03,210
A lot of superstars...
870
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:04,430
want his approval.
871
00:51:04,705 --> 00:51:05,890
And they want to please him.
872
00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:10,610
And they want to be his guy the way
you want your father to accept you.
873
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:14,150
That's what I feel, I guess,
with Vince McMahon.
874
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:16,874
It's like, when he tells
you, you did a good
875
00:51:16,875 --> 00:51:20,391
job, it's the greatest
feeling in the world.
876
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:24,070
Jim and I had this unusual
relationship, you know, personally.
877
00:51:24,310 --> 00:51:26,530
And we both were on
the same wavelength.
878
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:27,130
He was nuts.
879
00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:28,830
I was at the time, I'm not now.
880
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:32,850
There was this
great relationship.
881
00:51:32,851 --> 00:51:34,010
No one really knew that.
882
00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:37,410
I'm sure he was out there
looking for acceptance.
883
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:41,850
And he might have looked at
him as a mother and a father figure.
884
00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:43,750
And there's nothing
wrong with that.
885
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:45,690
Did you think of him as a son?
886
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:50,150
Not as a son.
887
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:53,450
I have only one son.
888
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:56,630
You know, I can see how someone
would look at me as a father figure.
889
00:51:58,185 --> 00:51:59,810
But I don't look
at him as a son.
890
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,910
You know, I've never done that.
891
00:52:01,911 --> 00:52:06,250
You know, but I've looked at him
as a relationship that would be sort of
892
00:52:06,251 --> 00:52:09,150
mirroring somewhat,
you know, of a father-son.
893
00:52:10,820 --> 00:52:14,790
If you look at somebody like the Warrior
that maybe was missing some male role
894
00:52:14,791 --> 00:52:17,593
models early in his life,
I think Vince McMahon
895
00:52:17,594 --> 00:52:19,990
could have easily
filled that role for him.
896
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:25,950
And I don't know if Vince realized when he
wrote that that the Ultimate Warrior would
897
00:52:25,951 --> 00:52:29,750
not take that as his
boss being mad at him.
898
00:52:30,125 --> 00:52:34,970
He may take that as a paternal
figure being disappointed in him.
899
00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:39,570
Your boss being mad
at you, you get over.
900
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:45,830
Somebody that you look at like a father
saying, I like him more than I like you.
901
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:47,730
You don't get over that.
902
00:52:50,670 --> 00:52:51,670
Good morning, guys.
903
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:54,710
The entire world of
wrestling changed in 1992.
904
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:57,169
The federal government
has leveled charges
905
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,810
against the leader of the
WWF, Vince McMahon.
906
00:53:00,830 --> 00:53:04,393
Steroid use, steroid distribution
is now deemed not only
907
00:53:04,394 --> 00:53:09,430
illegal, but is being presented
as inauthentic and immoral.
908
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,750
A Hulk of a hero named Hogan
is the biggest to take a fall.
909
00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:16,610
First cue up.
910
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:18,130
This is take one.
911
00:53:18,430 --> 00:53:22,390
It makes a certain sort of sense that
when Hulk Hogan has to take some time off,
912
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:27,050
you go back in the well and find the
guy who used to be the next Hulk Hogan.
913
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:28,730
There have been those
that have been taken.
914
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:34,090
I'm going to sit up on many a throne
and promise to rule the entire universe,
915
00:53:34,290 --> 00:53:35,290
the entire world.
916
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:41,270
McMahon decides to bring the
ultimate warrior back into the WWE.
917
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:45,950
And they begin the process
of trying to mend the fences.
918
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:47,270
Look at this.
919
00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:48,850
Hulk, Hulk, Hulk.
920
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:52,550
The insane Sid Justice.
921
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:56,530
Hulkamania could all end
here today in the Hoosier Dome.
922
00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:59,230
And when that music hit...
He don't have a friend left.
923
00:54:00,010 --> 00:54:01,010
Wait a minute!
924
00:54:01,230 --> 00:54:04,690
You could hear that stadium
full of people going nuts for it.
925
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:05,710
They couldn't believe it.
926
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:06,450
It is!
927
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:07,770
It
928
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,660
was still a moment.
929
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:15,700
And you're still like, oh
my God, Warrior's back.
930
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,068
But when he comes
back, right in the midst of
931
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:24,681
the steroid scandal, he
looks noticeably smaller.
932
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:25,920
He's still jacked.
933
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,820
I mean, he's still by
normal standards.
934
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:30,980
He's still like, I'm never going to
get a body like 1992 Ultimate Warrior.
935
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:34,640
But 1992 Ultimate Warrior does not
have a body like 1992 Ultimate Warrior.
936
00:54:34,641 --> 00:54:35,641
1990 Ultimate Warrior.
937
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:42,540
He had not been quite as dedicated as
he was to the gym, probably because he's
938
00:54:42,541 --> 00:54:44,480
coping with an
extraordinary amount of loss.
939
00:54:45,035 --> 00:54:46,640
And going through a divorce...
940
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,080
And I remember thinking, man, you've got
to get your shit together real quick here.
941
00:55:11,540 --> 00:55:13,240
Let's try one more
with more intensity.
942
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Okay.
943
00:55:13,641 --> 00:55:14,660
Hang on a second.
944
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:19,340
In 1992, a package is intercepted,
addressed to the Ultimate Warrior's
945
00:55:19,341 --> 00:55:23,960
driver, and it contains HGH,
human growth hormone.
946
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,180
Explosiveness that can
never ever be recreated.
947
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,820
A chemical combustion that
forms a bond forever and ever.
948
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,800
He did fail some tests in 1992.
949
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:36,240
Yep.
950
00:55:36,241 --> 00:55:40,640
Hellwig did fail tests, and Hellwig
also admitted to it, to taking steroids.
951
00:55:40,641 --> 00:55:45,562
I think it was more than
anything in his head that
952
00:55:45,662 --> 00:55:48,720
if I don't have this, I'll
never be the same guy.
953
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,631
Every time he takes a
drug test, he has to list
954
00:55:54,632 --> 00:55:57,420
the kinds of medications
that he's taking already.
955
00:55:57,890 --> 00:56:02,600
And at the beginning of this
process in May, he writes Motrin.
956
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Pretty simple.
957
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,900
The next test, it's Tylenol
with codeine in a nasal spray.
958
00:56:08,901 --> 00:56:13,885
By the time we get to late
October, he's taking multiple
959
00:56:13,886 --> 00:56:17,980
medicines for anxiety, for
depression, for insomnia.
960
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,160
As
961
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,780
soon as they start to work.
962
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:34,480
Slam jam the
Ultimate Warrior away.
963
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:41,300
In November of that year,
the WWE will fire him again.
964
00:56:41,830 --> 00:56:44,200
On the grounds that he
has violated the drug policy.
965
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,440
Shit, I don't know.
966
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,900
It just sort of unraveled in a way where I
remember having a conversation with Vince
967
00:56:51,901 --> 00:56:54,621
and he was afraid of certain things
that were going to happen to him.
968
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,680
It just got so bad that he
needed a couple of scapegoats.
969
00:56:58,220 --> 00:57:02,220
Was it implied that you should use steroids
to make yourself... No, never to me.
970
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,580
I think the whole thing is weak.
971
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:09,120
It was a bad optic to have huge
muscle-bound guys on top as you're
972
00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:11,680
fighting off these
accusations of steroid use.
973
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,780
People like Hulk Hogan
and the Ultimate Warrior.
974
00:57:13,781 --> 00:57:15,120
Faded to the background.
975
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,340
And Bret Hartz and Shawn Michaels and other
guys sort of stepped in to the spotlight.
976
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,821
Because their look
didn't sort of remind
977
00:57:23,822 --> 00:57:27,481
people of what was going
on behind the scenes.
978
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,900
He arrives in
Scottsdale, Arizona.
979
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Hellwig will legally
change his name to Warrior.
980
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:36,540
He lived the Ultimate Warrior.
981
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:37,796
He breathed the
Ultimate Warrior.
982
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:39,580
So he believed he owned
the Ultimate Warrior.
983
00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:43,740
So all you can really do is
try to come up with ways to...
984
00:57:43,780 --> 00:57:45,300
stick it to your
former employer.
985
00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:47,680
The Mad Men's back!
986
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,920
The Mad Men's back!
987
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:50,140
We know
988
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,380
what it takes to
be a pro wrestler.
989
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,920
He launched a gym and wrestling
school called Warrior University.
990
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:00,900
Warrior University!
991
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:06,440
He wanted to do workout
videos and Warrior workout kits.
992
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:11,660
And I saw a new gym
was coming to town.
993
00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:14,420
And it was owned by
the Ultimate Warrior.
994
00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:17,840
I had a pink resume
before Elle Woods ever did.
995
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,404
And when I walked
in the door, all I could
996
00:58:21,405 --> 00:58:26,520
see was the eye line
to this huge, giant man.
997
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,640
And I walked with
purpose straight up to him.
998
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:32,360
I put the resume down and I said, I
need to run your aerobics program.
999
00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:34,020
And he said, you
need to marry me.
1000
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:36,340
And I said, I won't
even date you.
1001
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,540
And that man followed me around
like a puppy until I finally broke down.
1002
00:58:43,541 --> 00:58:45,840
And I dated him and then,
you know, I married him.
1003
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,260
So it worked out okay.
1004
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,560
I had my own demons
from a difficult childhood.
1005
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:57,840
And so my husband used to always
say to me, like, you tamed the beast.
1006
00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:00,440
I met my counterpart.
1007
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760
I met the person that I
was able to do that for.
1008
00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:04,100
And he was able to do it for me.
1009
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:08,820
I
1010
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:20,040
look back at the innocence of
who we were when we first met.
1011
00:59:20,041 --> 00:59:24,700
And what my husband really
wanted was to be successful.
1012
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,640
He had all these
goals and aspirations.
1013
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:45,840
And what success was, was in his
mind what Vince McMahon had created.
1014
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:52,540
He wanted to make the Ultimate Warrior
into a full-blown comic book venture.
1015
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,940
To launch the
Warrior mainstream.
1016
00:59:55,555 --> 01:00:01,420
But he seems to realize that it's not
going to happen without a bigger platform.
1017
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:06,480
And because of that, once
again, Vince McMahon and Jim
1018
01:00:06,481 --> 01:00:09,141
Hellwig somehow find their
way back to one another.
1019
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,679
When you look back now,
the Warrior's career is sort of
1020
01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:22,180
more about, like, returns
than it is about the matches.
1021
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,500
Around June of 1996,
Hellwig's father Thomas dies.
1022
01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:35,900
The two had not had
much of a relationship at all.
1023
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,980
But it seems to
have hit him hard.
1024
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,800
In this period of time, he
doesn't attend a few shows.
1025
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:48,800
But of course, with the
WWE, you don't miss shows.
1026
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:52,441
As I recall, he had not
seen his dad in over
1027
01:00:52,453 --> 01:00:54,560
ten years and could
care less about him.
1028
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:55,940
And that was
like, wait a minute.
1029
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,380
You're going to use
this as an excuse?
1030
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:01,576
That's the straw that breaks
the camel's back with me.
1031
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,120
I can't deal with
anybody like that.
1032
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,720
He was terminated.
1033
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:12,560
Audience that was five, ten, fifteen
years old, when Warrior was at his hottest,
1034
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:15,540
had moved on to be
obsessed with other things.
1035
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,280
Besides the Ultimate Warrior.
1036
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:25,900
So when that love and that adulation
wasn't there, he went back to being an
1037
01:01:25,901 --> 01:01:29,580
11-year-old boy in the trailer in
Indiana whose father just left him.
1038
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,160
He starts traveling around
to college campuses.
1039
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,645
One that really stood out, it
made major headlines at the
1040
01:01:39,646 --> 01:01:44,980
time, was a speech he gave
at the University of Connecticut.
1041
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:49,380
I'm going to get up for these
things just like I used to wrestle.
1042
01:01:49,940 --> 01:01:53,700
You have to tell the story with
the same passion and intensity.
1043
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:56,720
I knew something was wrong.
1044
01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:58,620
Hey guys, how you doing?
1045
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,520
And I said, what did you say?
1046
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,340
We'll talk when you get home.
1047
01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:11,855
You know, young kids,
they get their philosophy
1048
01:02:11,856 --> 01:02:14,281
of life from people that
are older than them.
1049
01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:17,000
And today that's just not
happening in any place.
1050
01:02:18,105 --> 01:02:22,060
He's accepted the fact that the Ultimate
Warrior is not going to be mainstream,
1051
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,320
but it's almost like he needed
something to fill the void.
1052
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:26,760
What's up?
1053
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:29,336
I just wanted to show you
what they're passing out outside.
1054
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:30,860
Just so you're prepared
for what's going to happen.
1055
01:02:30,861 --> 01:02:31,200
Oh, good.
1056
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,280
They're all prepared with the
racist, with the racism, um, jeers.
1057
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:42,660
He finds this new identity
in conservative ideology.
1058
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:46,780
And he becomes a
conservative blogger.
1059
01:02:46,781 --> 01:02:52,560
I would argue for the Warrior and
his career, his persona, his business.
1060
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,900
It was not good that we
got to see behind the curtain.
1061
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,018
Every few weeks or
whatever is like another
1062
01:02:59,019 --> 01:03:02,080
thing that Warrior is
saying that is offensive.
1063
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:10,190
Where do you think his strong political
views came from around that time?
1064
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:13,660
Most people think I'm
heavy metal or something.
1065
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:19,490
On the radio, typically,
um, I do talk radio.
1066
01:03:21,490 --> 01:03:22,010
That's it.
1067
01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:24,990
Turn on talk radio was a
really big thing at the time.
1068
01:03:25,390 --> 01:03:27,810
Um, and, and, you
know something?
1069
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:29,610
Rush Limbaugh is
a great showman.
1070
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:33,790
So, my husband's like, well,
Kendrick, we get each other, you know.
1071
01:03:34,510 --> 01:03:38,990
So, like, the talk radio thing
became a big thing in our house.
1072
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:42,510
And, you know, a certain
news channel is on all the time.
1073
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:46,690
I think he was just looking
for a new brotherhood.
1074
01:03:48,610 --> 01:03:50,856
It's never been the vision
that people have in their
1075
01:03:50,857 --> 01:03:53,370
heads that it's just ultimate
warrior as an identity.
1076
01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:57,036
A painted face pro wrestler
with strings around his arms
1077
01:03:57,037 --> 01:04:00,810
and colorful characters and
physique and a body and stuff.
1078
01:04:00,930 --> 01:04:05,830
It's about, it represents more, um,
on a fundamental level, something or
1079
01:04:05,831 --> 01:04:09,610
somebody that's willing to stand
up and fight for what they believe in.
1080
01:04:09,690 --> 01:04:11,430
Even if they die doing so.
1081
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:18,550
And when he came back from that
speech, I knew something was wrong.
1082
01:04:18,850 --> 01:04:20,190
And I said, what did you say?
1083
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:23,870
Now, I'm a conservative.
1084
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:28,870
Liberals believe in a utopian
society where everything is equal.
1085
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:34,590
That Kwanzaa is just as legitimate
as Santa Claus and Christmas.
1086
01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:41,410
That a terrorist is just
as legitimate as Santa.
1087
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:44,110
As one of this country's
revolution freedom fighters.
1088
01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:49,210
That we are as legitimate
as heterosexuals.
1089
01:04:49,211 --> 01:04:50,211
How are they not?
1090
01:04:50,355 --> 01:04:54,470
That the anarchists because
doesn't make the world work.
1091
01:04:56,970 --> 01:04:58,830
What's wrong with homosexuality?
1092
01:04:58,831 --> 01:05:00,150
What are you talking about?
1093
01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:05,030
And from this moment, the speech
has just become a straight dog fight.
1094
01:05:05,590 --> 01:05:07,210
No, no.
1095
01:05:07,710 --> 01:05:09,270
Apologize for that
right now, you guys.
1096
01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:16,659
As an Ultimate Warrior
fan, you're like, bro,
1097
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:19,370
like, I didn't, I didn't
sign up for that.
1098
01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:22,441
Like, you're starting to make
me think that the warrior might
1099
01:05:22,442 --> 01:05:24,831
believe in some stuff that I
don't necessarily believe in.
1100
01:05:27,050 --> 01:05:31,030
There's all people of all different types
of races and colors that look up to you.
1101
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:33,650
Because I, you know, I
grew up, my dad wasn't there.
1102
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,770
But as the warrior is telling
me, just don't worry about things.
1103
01:05:36,771 --> 01:05:39,410
Just be that little warrior
that you are inside.
1104
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:47,010
So, when you are acting that way and you
believe that in your heart, you can do a
1105
01:05:47,011 --> 01:05:49,250
lot of damage to those
people that looked up for you.
1106
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,726
Has anything like UConn
ever happened before?
1107
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:52,750
No.
1108
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:56,690
I was really disappointed.
1109
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:58,970
I was really disappointed.
1110
01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,930
And I let him know that.
1111
01:06:01,690 --> 01:06:06,690
And, um, he knew it was different
and he knew he'd messed up.
1112
01:06:06,770 --> 01:06:09,194
And I don't even
think, he didn't
1113
01:06:09,206 --> 01:06:12,431
understand the breadth
of it until later on.
1114
01:06:14,330 --> 01:06:15,630
But he knew it was bad.
1115
01:06:19,010 --> 01:06:23,530
So, WWE puts out this DVD, The
Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior.
1116
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:27,130
And this, I think, was kind
of a self-serving mission.
1117
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:30,210
We're done making money
off this guy or from this guy.
1118
01:06:30,350 --> 01:06:33,930
And he's off hurting himself, his own
brand, and by extension, our brand.
1119
01:06:34,110 --> 01:06:38,030
If we can limit his importance
in our legacy, that's a win for us.
1120
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:41,730
If we can charge 30 bucks for it and
put a cool title on it and essentially,
1121
01:06:41,850 --> 01:06:44,569
you know, make as much money
as we would off of a WrestleMania,
1122
01:06:44,570 --> 01:06:47,210
off of Jim without even
having his consent, even better.
1123
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:51,310
And Vince wants these to
kind of be shoot deals, right?
1124
01:06:51,370 --> 01:06:52,370
Yeah, he really does.
1125
01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:53,990
He wants to tell the truth.
1126
01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:55,150
He wants everybody to know.
1127
01:06:55,390 --> 01:06:56,390
A little controversy?
1128
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,020
Self-Destruction of Ultimate Warrior
was not so much a documentary.
1129
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:06,580
It was more of a hit piece.
1130
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,094
You watched it and
thought, at the very
1131
01:07:11,106 --> 01:07:14,060
least, this guy is not
beloved by his peers.
1132
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:16,880
I don't know that he was
really born to be in this business.
1133
01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:20,180
To me, the man had
no idea about wrestling.
1134
01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:22,520
Do I think the Ultimate
Warrior was a flash in the pan?
1135
01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:25,540
Enough said.
1136
01:07:25,860 --> 01:07:32,040
I knew when the Ultimate Warrior won the
match and 68,000 people watched me leave
1137
01:07:32,041 --> 01:07:35,720
the building instead of watching
the new champ in the ring, I knew that,
1138
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,380
okay, you know, I don't want to
be the one to say I told you so.
1139
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,340
I never watched that DVD.
1140
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:48,960
People would not be alive
if I'd watched that DVD.
1141
01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:52,000
My husband wanted to watch
it and I said, you shouldn't.
1142
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,580
He doesn't trust anyone in life.
1143
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,725
And look, if you don't enjoy
coming to work, then you're
1144
01:07:59,726 --> 01:08:02,281
going to bound to self-destruct
somewhere along the line.
1145
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:15,700
He watched that DVD and that broke a part
of my husband that I was never able to fix.
1146
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,900
Nobody is going to hand you
1147
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:24,130
the fulfillment of the
dream you have in your
1148
01:08:24,131 --> 01:08:27,021
mind about a great life
you want to f***ing live.
1149
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,800
In later years, it's almost as if he will
be frustrated with himself, but he will
1150
01:08:31,801 --> 01:08:34,980
project out onto others the
frustration he feels with his own life.
1151
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,880
I think you're f***ing pathetic.
1152
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,360
Don't fail.
1153
01:08:39,361 --> 01:08:41,480
Take back yourself.
1154
01:08:43,585 --> 01:08:46,420
And don't take any
back talk from yourself.
1155
01:08:46,980 --> 01:08:52,394
I think he was trying to
reinvigorate his own identity because
1156
01:08:52,395 --> 01:08:57,520
when we fall down a hole,
nobody can really get you back out.
1157
01:08:57,620 --> 01:09:00,140
You have to climb
rung by rung yourself.
1158
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,320
And he did that.
1159
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,740
That's so inspiring
because he wasn't perfect.
1160
01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:10,640
Other people in the
world aren't perfect.
1161
01:09:10,641 --> 01:09:12,880
We all mess up.
1162
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:15,300
And sometimes we're ignorant.
1163
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:19,680
But ignorance is educable and we can
change and we can grow and we can evolve.
1164
01:09:27,145 --> 01:09:30,220
I was very oblivious to his
life before he was a father.
1165
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:31,140
He was my dad.
1166
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:32,560
I was daddy's little girl.
1167
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,820
And he doted on my sister and
I like any other dad that I knew.
1168
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:41,260
He was so gentle
with his warrior babies.
1169
01:09:41,420 --> 01:09:42,420
That's what he'd call us.
1170
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,560
I know that his father
wasn't incredibly involved.
1171
01:09:45,561 --> 01:09:48,180
And so he didn't really
have that figure there.
1172
01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:55,041
But you don't necessarily need a role
model to become the man you want to become.
1173
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,172
Very few people can
overcome what they
1174
01:09:58,184 --> 01:10:01,580
lived through and not
feel victimized by it.
1175
01:10:01,660 --> 01:10:03,540
But instead chart a new course.
1176
01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:06,280
And that's what we
did with our family.
1177
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:07,680
We charted a new course.
1178
01:10:09,380 --> 01:10:13,860
What you saw in his character used
to translate a lot into his workouts.
1179
01:10:13,861 --> 01:10:19,100
But, you know, most of the time here
we got to know a different character.
1180
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,740
We got to know Warrior.
1181
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:24,680
And Warrior was a
complete different personality.
1182
01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:26,240
He made everybody feel special.
1183
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:27,380
He made me feel special.
1184
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:31,900
I think that Warrior
found himself in Santa Fe.
1185
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:37,640
I think he found a calmer setting
for him to really think, to paint.
1186
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,084
Art became a really
big part of his life when
1187
01:10:41,085 --> 01:10:43,460
he wasn't putting on
his face paint every day.
1188
01:10:43,461 --> 01:10:47,180
You know, the face paint became
the paint on the canvas instead.
1189
01:10:56,770 --> 01:10:57,810
He had his daughters.
1190
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:58,470
He had Dana.
1191
01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:00,990
Oh my gosh, it's
so good to see you.
1192
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:06,050
You're our first husband
since all of us started.
1193
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:09,630
Our friendship was
about just enjoying life.
1194
01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:10,630
Have fun.
1195
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:11,910
You are who you are.
1196
01:11:13,190 --> 01:11:18,990
I think that my husband needed
hypermasculinity in order to feel safe.
1197
01:11:20,010 --> 01:11:24,330
But with the friends that he made in
our town of Santa Fe, he was able to
1198
01:11:24,331 --> 01:11:28,890
experience grown adult men
who had no vendetta against him.
1199
01:11:29,070 --> 01:11:33,970
And so I think when my husband was finally
ready to be inducted in the Hall of Fame,
1200
01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:37,218
he was becoming somebody
that was actually worthy of
1201
01:11:37,258 --> 01:11:39,990
that honor in his own
mind, but also for the fans.
1202
01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:45,908
Ladies and gentlemen,
accompanied to the ring by
1203
01:11:45,909 --> 01:11:48,590
two young ladies who
were so special in his life.
1204
01:11:48,591 --> 01:11:51,230
May I present, Warrior.
1205
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:11,212
For several years, the
WWE had tried to find
1206
01:12:11,213 --> 01:12:15,060
ways of getting Warrior
into the Hall of Fame.
1207
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:17,820
And he had repeatedly said no.
1208
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,680
This particular year, for whatever
reason, Warrior was able to trust.
1209
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,740
And I said, I apologize for anything
I've ever said, anything I've ever done.
1210
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:30,860
That was then.
1211
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:33,180
Let's just bury the
hatchet and move on.
1212
01:12:33,340 --> 01:12:36,460
I just can't believe it's
been as long as it has been.
1213
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:39,410
He enters into an agreement
with the WWE to become
1214
01:12:39,411 --> 01:12:42,061
an ambassador for a
period of several years.
1215
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,920
Obviously, there was a tension with the
relationship with WWE throughout the years.
1216
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:47,380
You know what I mean?
1217
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,500
What does it mean to kind of be back
in the fold and kind of repair things?
1218
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,760
Well, it means a lot.
1219
01:12:58,480 --> 01:12:59,480
Well, it means a lot.
1220
01:12:59,620 --> 01:13:02,100
You know, it was purposeful
that they put the DVD out.
1221
01:13:02,101 --> 01:13:04,560
It hurt my feelings a lot, man.
1222
01:13:04,561 --> 01:13:07,320
It hurt me that they did that.
1223
01:13:12,250 --> 01:13:14,810
You know, I have a lot of
emotion about coming back.
1224
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:19,790
It's well known that the
Hellwig men had a short lifespan.
1225
01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:22,180
His grandfather died in his 50s.
1226
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:25,210
His father died in his 50s.
1227
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:29,582
And knowing that most of
the Hellwig boys died at a
1228
01:13:29,583 --> 01:13:33,750
young age definitely has to
color how you live your life.
1229
01:13:33,875 --> 01:13:36,910
You either face it or
you live in fear of it.
1230
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:49,110
I think it was calculated on his part
because he knew that by reigniting this
1231
01:13:49,111 --> 01:13:54,150
relationship with the WWE, he can be
the man that his father never was for him.
1232
01:13:54,470 --> 01:14:00,015
This was his moment to set
aside the hurt, the ego, the
1233
01:14:00,016 --> 01:14:03,471
pride, all of the things that
had kept him estranged.
1234
01:14:04,050 --> 01:14:07,850
And to say, I'm going
to do this for my family.
1235
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:11,430
You build a brand.
1236
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:13,370
These are the graphics
that support the brand.
1237
01:14:15,070 --> 01:14:18,250
There are a few legitimately
tough guys in our business.
1238
01:14:19,210 --> 01:14:20,410
Most of us aren't.
1239
01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:23,810
So we get to go out there and
we get to act like tough guys.
1240
01:14:25,190 --> 01:14:27,310
And people look up to you
and you're larger than life.
1241
01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:29,750
There's responsibility
that comes with that.
1242
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:34,030
Responsibility is that if you get to do
that, you get that opportunity to do that,
1243
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:36,116
then you should be
able to go out into the
1244
01:14:36,117 --> 01:14:39,351
real world and handle
a simple thing like life.
1245
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:42,630
I'm sorry for all the bad
stuff that happened to me.
1246
01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:43,530
It's tough, man.
1247
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:44,190
It's all good, brother.
1248
01:14:44,290 --> 01:14:44,610
It's all good.
1249
01:14:44,910 --> 01:14:45,530
You're right.
1250
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:47,050
The tape never should
have been made.
1251
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:50,550
It's hard for me because when
you get disrespected like that, you...
1252
01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:53,510
You know, I got kids
and I got family and I...
1253
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:57,050
It just was so wrong
in so many ways.
1254
01:14:57,610 --> 01:14:58,870
I love you very much.
1255
01:14:58,890 --> 01:14:59,650
I want you to know that.
1256
01:14:59,710 --> 01:15:00,410
Thanks a lot, man.
1257
01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:01,330
I really want you to know that.
1258
01:15:01,331 --> 01:15:02,630
I've been dying to see you.
1259
01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:03,950
I really do.
1260
01:15:04,030 --> 01:15:04,710
I really do.
1261
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:05,870
No matter what.
1262
01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:10,530
I think he was just
really excited to go home.
1263
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:13,925
And absolutely he
wanted that reconciliation
1264
01:15:13,926 --> 01:15:16,610
with Vince because
Vince mattered to him.
1265
01:15:17,255 --> 01:15:21,250
But he also wanted to show
Vince, I have family now, too.
1266
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:23,670
And now you're part of it.
1267
01:15:23,730 --> 01:15:26,310
I don't need
you to be all of it.
1268
01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:32,030
Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to
the ring by two young ladies who were so
1269
01:15:32,031 --> 01:15:35,830
special in his life,
may I present Warrior.
1270
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,400
In 1991, Vince
wrote me a letter.
1271
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:54,160
He said, you think you're
a legend in your own mind.
1272
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,620
But I didn't think that I
was a legend in my mind.
1273
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:58,960
But I will tell you this, Vince.
1274
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,860
The Ultimate Warrior
is a legend today.
1275
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,997
And he will continue to
run into the hearts and
1276
01:16:05,998 --> 01:16:09,100
minds of fans throughout
generations to come.
1277
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:10,440
And I'm proud of that.
1278
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,550
I'm proud of you for supporting
me and fighting for the
1279
01:16:13,551 --> 01:16:15,960
Ultimate Warrior to be
inducted into the Hall of Fame.
1280
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:25,500
Regardless of personal stuff, regardless
of what you see on the internet or
1281
01:16:25,501 --> 01:16:27,420
anything, just like,
we're now all grownups.
1282
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:30,800
We're nostalgically looking at this
guy like, yes, this is when I was six.
1283
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,400
This is the guy I was watching.
1284
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:33,420
I'm so happy he's back.
1285
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:39,320
From the moment he ran onto WWE television
until he, you know, took the belt from
1286
01:16:39,321 --> 01:16:42,980
Hogan, you hold that up against
any wrestler in the history of wrestling.
1287
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:44,460
That's what we were celebrating.
1288
01:16:44,860 --> 01:16:47,160
I mean, I was there on Monday
Night Raw when he came out.
1289
01:16:47,340 --> 01:16:50,820
And I've never been in
a crowd that felt like that.
1290
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:16,130
Every man's heart one
day beats its final beat.
1291
01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,790
His lungs breathe
their final breath.
1292
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:24,370
And if what that man did in his life
makes the blood pulse through the body of
1293
01:17:24,371 --> 01:17:29,648
others, it makes them bleed
deeper into something larger than
1294
01:17:29,649 --> 01:17:34,950
life, then his essence, his
spirit, will be immortalized.
1295
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:41,910
You, you, you, you are the
legend makers of Ultimate Warrior.
1296
01:17:44,690 --> 01:17:48,990
Finally, Jim, he understood
how it all worked then.
1297
01:17:49,230 --> 01:17:52,083
And that may be, as
far as I know, about the
1298
01:17:52,084 --> 01:17:54,370
only time he's ever been
at peace with himself.
1299
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:56,330
He so appreciated the
honor and what have you.
1300
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:57,390
And unfortunately...
1301
01:18:01,540 --> 01:18:02,700
A couple days later, he died.
1302
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:16,710
It's just, everything
felt so good.
1303
01:18:17,610 --> 01:18:19,650
My kids are so
proud of their dad.
1304
01:18:20,770 --> 01:18:23,790
We were gonna go to
Arizona and have spring break.
1305
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:27,090
And we got on a
plane to go to Phoenix.
1306
01:18:27,150 --> 01:18:33,130
And we get to the hotel, and he said,
I don't, I don't feel, I don't feel good.
1307
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:34,770
I said, I know,
babe, neither do I.
1308
01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:36,270
Like, it's been
a, this is hectic.
1309
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:37,450
It's gonna be fine.
1310
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:38,350
You just rest.
1311
01:18:38,351 --> 01:18:39,410
What do you need?
1312
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:40,330
I'll go get it for you.
1313
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:42,130
Like, he's like, no,
I don't feel good.
1314
01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:44,270
And he said, I think I
need to go to the hospital.
1315
01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:45,610
And that's where I was like...
1316
01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:52,608
And I didn't, I didn't
want the girls to
1317
01:18:52,609 --> 01:18:55,001
come, because I didn't
want them to be scared.
1318
01:18:56,380 --> 01:18:58,300
So they were old
enough to lock the door.
1319
01:19:02,785 --> 01:19:06,430
It was one second before
we were out the door.
1320
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:19,470
And I couldn't catch them.
1321
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,020
So we get to the hospital,
and they wheel him back there.
1322
01:19:27,150 --> 01:19:30,000
And they said,
he didn't make it.
1323
01:19:34,690 --> 01:19:38,250
And I also knew, like, I was
gonna have to tell my kids.
1324
01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:46,030
And I left them at the hotel at the
last, thinking I was protecting them,
1325
01:19:46,090 --> 01:19:49,210
but then did I rob them at
the last moment with their dad?
1326
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:08,109
What he built at home was
far greater than anything the
1327
01:20:08,110 --> 01:20:11,671
ultimate warrior achieved in
front of the television cameras.
1328
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:16,270
That's the tragedy
of the man's life.
1329
01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:22,770
When he finally found the love that
he couldn't find as a child, and he had
1330
01:20:22,771 --> 01:20:26,490
nothing left to hate, that's
when his heart gave up.
1331
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:31,359
You know, I mean, I can
remember back when I was a young
1332
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,350
kid, being a kid in the wrong
place at the wrong time.
1333
01:20:33,351 --> 01:20:36,029
My dad leaving when I
was 12, 13 years old, having
1334
01:20:36,030 --> 01:20:38,810
self-doubts about myself
like any young kid does.
1335
01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:45,650
You create your own sort of
fantasy protector, in a sense.
1336
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:49,487
You know, the thing that
you connect with to make you
1337
01:20:49,488 --> 01:20:52,470
strong, to get you through
the self-doubts that you have.
1338
01:20:53,670 --> 01:20:56,070
His daughters are
definitely his lasting legacy.
1339
01:20:57,290 --> 01:21:01,750
He was never more proud of
anything in his life than his girls.
1340
01:21:01,751 --> 01:21:05,990
And he wanted both of them, which
they do, to have that warrior spirit.
1341
01:21:07,370 --> 01:21:08,970
There's nothing simple
about Jim Helwig.
1342
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:16,671
He was a flawed and complicated human being
who made some serious mistakes in his life.
1343
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:20,150
But it's a human story.
1344
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:24,482
Having done Ultimate Warrior
as a sports entertainment
1345
01:21:24,483 --> 01:21:27,950
identity, why I think the
way I do, it's built into us.
1346
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:29,270
It's a part of our nature.
1347
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:31,090
It's a part of our human nature.
1348
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:33,590
To grow.
1349
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:41,230
I think redemption is a heavy burden to
place on any one human being because we're
1350
01:21:41,231 --> 01:21:43,810
all on a journey to find
out who it is that we are.
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