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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,963 --> 00:00:06,881 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,006 --> 00:00:09,050 the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:09,134 --> 00:00:10,844 yet equally important groups-- 4 00:00:10,969 --> 00:00:13,012 the police who investigate crime, 5 00:00:13,096 --> 00:00:15,515 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,350 These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,601 --> 00:00:19,853 Come on. Let's shake a leg. 8 00:00:19,936 --> 00:00:20,895 There's the bell. 9 00:00:21,021 --> 00:00:22,105 Good morning, sunshine. 10 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:23,690 You feeling better today? 11 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:26,526 Good. Come on, it's a beautiful day. 12 00:00:26,651 --> 00:00:28,028 Let's make it a good one. 13 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,530 All right, young man. Come on now. 14 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:31,990 Have a good day. 15 00:00:32,073 --> 00:00:33,908 How are you? 16 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:35,201 I can't complain. How's the family? 17 00:00:35,326 --> 00:00:37,662 Liana just got early acceptance to Cornell. 18 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:39,414 You must be so proud. 19 00:00:39,539 --> 00:00:40,332 How is your daughter? 20 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:42,709 10 years old, acting like L'il Kim. 21 00:00:42,834 --> 00:00:44,919 Mothers of daughters have more gray hairs 22 00:00:45,045 --> 00:00:46,004 than mothers of sons. 23 00:00:46,087 --> 00:00:47,047 Tell me about it. 24 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:48,465 All you can do is pray. 25 00:00:50,008 --> 00:00:51,551 Oh, my word. That didn't sound good. 26 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:53,011 No. 27 00:00:54,387 --> 00:00:56,639 Call 911! Now! 28 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:02,604 What do you got? 29 00:01:02,687 --> 00:01:03,688 Hit and run. 30 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:04,731 So why'd you call us? 31 00:01:04,856 --> 00:01:07,859 I'm not sure it was an accident. 32 00:01:07,942 --> 00:01:09,694 Jacob Lowenstein. 33 00:01:09,778 --> 00:01:11,571 Lowenstein? The wife beater? 34 00:01:11,655 --> 00:01:13,239 The one who killd his little ki. 35 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:14,949 I saw his coming out photo a month ago. 36 00:01:15,033 --> 00:01:16,242 I thought, you know, 37 00:01:16,326 --> 00:01:17,243 what's this guy doing around a school? 38 00:01:17,327 --> 00:01:18,703 You did the right thing calling us. 39 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:20,080 Witnesses? 40 00:01:20,163 --> 00:01:22,957 Yeah, a big, black car, maybe an SUV. 41 00:01:23,041 --> 00:01:24,501 Traveling at a high rate of speed. 42 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:26,503 Hit him as he jaywalked across the street 43 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:27,587 and kept going. 44 00:01:27,712 --> 00:01:28,630 That's about it. 45 00:01:28,713 --> 00:01:29,881 I'll keep looking. 46 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:30,632 What about Lowenstein? 47 00:01:30,715 --> 00:01:32,092 Tore off his leg. 48 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:33,385 I bet he wouldn't make it to the O.R. 49 00:01:33,468 --> 00:01:35,679 All right, let us know what you come up with. 50 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:37,305 No skid marks. 51 00:01:37,389 --> 00:01:39,432 No indication the driver tried not to hit him. 52 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:41,518 Talk about your public service homicide. 53 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:42,936 If he die. 54 00:01:43,061 --> 00:01:46,606 Well... it is rush hour. 55 00:02:36,197 --> 00:02:38,199 someone runs him down. out a month, 56 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:40,201 Lowenstein's parole got plenty of press. 57 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:42,996 That man beat his wife until she didn't look human, 58 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:45,373 and did the same thing to his five-year-old daughter 59 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:46,416 and left her to die. 60 00:02:46,499 --> 00:02:49,377 And for that, he winds up doing 15 years. 61 00:02:49,461 --> 00:02:52,005 You know, Donald Cragen worked the original case. 62 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:53,923 We'll reach out to him. 63 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:55,508 We thought we'd talk to Lowenstein's P.O. first, 64 00:02:55,592 --> 00:02:56,551 and then maybe his ex. 65 00:02:56,634 --> 00:02:58,553 All right. 66 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:04,100 Served the requird two thirds of his sentenc. 67 00:03:04,225 --> 00:03:05,852 Model prisoner. They had to let him out. 68 00:03:05,977 --> 00:03:07,145 System sucks. 69 00:03:07,228 --> 00:03:08,855 Gotta give him some hope, I suppose. 70 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:10,398 That's what they say. 71 00:03:10,482 --> 00:03:11,316 Without the carrot, 72 00:03:11,358 --> 00:03:12,942 these guys would be impossible to control. 73 00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:14,152 And, you know, they're not all as bad as Lowenstein. 74 00:03:14,235 --> 00:03:15,362 Well, that's the point. 75 00:03:15,487 --> 00:03:17,989 Someone like Lowenstein short-circuits the system. 76 00:03:18,073 --> 00:03:19,074 So what were the rules of his release? 77 00:03:19,157 --> 00:03:21,409 Curfew, 9:00 to 7:00, drug counseling, 78 00:03:21,493 --> 00:03:22,869 random drug testing, 79 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:26,122 anger management classes, a 12-step program. 80 00:03:26,247 --> 00:03:27,874 Hey, it's all part of a package these days. 81 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:29,584 You gotta try something. 82 00:03:29,709 --> 00:03:31,211 Anything else? 83 00:03:31,336 --> 00:03:32,545 Well, no contact with minors, of course. 84 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:33,755 No contact with his kid. 85 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,173 Kid? 86 00:03:35,256 --> 00:03:36,508 Yea, there was a so. 87 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:37,967 He must have been two, three at the time. 88 00:03:38,093 --> 00:03:39,219 He's living on Long Island somewhere. 89 00:03:39,344 --> 00:03:41,930 Lowenstein was supposed to be staying in a halfway house? 90 00:03:42,055 --> 00:03:43,890 For the first six months. 91 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:45,934 You got an addres? 92 00:03:46,017 --> 00:03:47,602 They, uh, they called me. 93 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:49,145 You lost track of him. 94 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:50,230 What am I supposed to do, 95 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:51,690 call the National Guard to find the guy? 96 00:03:51,773 --> 00:03:53,191 You know how many cases I got? 97 00:03:53,274 --> 00:03:54,609 Do you have a more high-profile parolee 98 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:55,944 than Lowenstein? 99 00:03:56,027 --> 00:03:57,070 Why didn't you violate him? 100 00:03:57,153 --> 00:03:58,738 Well, I'm going to, aren't I? 101 00:03:58,863 --> 00:04:00,198 As soon as I can get to the paperwork. 102 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:02,534 Something tells me that your workload 103 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,285 is gonna get a lot lighter. 104 00:04:05,203 --> 00:04:06,538 Take it easy, man. 105 00:04:08,373 --> 00:04:10,291 Lowenstein was a coked-out, crazy creep. 106 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:13,420 He used Carla as a punching bag for years. 107 00:04:13,545 --> 00:04:15,088 Bruises, broken bones. 108 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:17,048 By the time we got there, her jaw was so swollen, 109 00:04:17,132 --> 00:04:18,299 she couldn't talk. 110 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:20,135 What about the little girl? 111 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:24,264 She was black, blue, and burned. 112 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:26,141 When I'm having a bad night, 113 00:04:26,224 --> 00:04:28,351 this is the one that comes back and haunts me. 114 00:04:30,228 --> 00:04:32,105 His P.O. said he had a son? 115 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:34,691 Ezra. Two years old. 116 00:04:34,816 --> 00:04:36,568 Malnourished, neglected. 117 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:40,530 Spent most of his time tied to the radiator like a dog. 118 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:43,158 Parole officer also said that he's living on Long Island. 119 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:44,326 I'll get you a name and address. 120 00:04:44,451 --> 00:04:46,327 He was doing well, last I heard. 121 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:47,996 Happy ending, considering. 122 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,123 Speaking of happy endings, how's Lowenstein? 123 00:04:50,248 --> 00:04:51,166 He's still on the critical list. 124 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:52,709 I hope he lingers a long time 125 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:54,294 in excruciating pain. 126 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:57,005 Have you talked to his ex yet? 127 00:04:57,088 --> 00:04:58,423 Carla. We're still looking for her. 128 00:04:58,548 --> 00:05:01,134 Her shrink might be able to help you. 129 00:05:01,217 --> 00:05:02,469 He resurrected her. 130 00:05:02,594 --> 00:05:05,263 Brought her back from the dead, literally. 131 00:05:11,394 --> 00:05:14,522 Someone like Lowenstein is a user, a predator. 132 00:05:14,606 --> 00:05:17,442 He can smell weakness, vulnerability, 133 00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:18,610 and exploit it. 134 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:21,780 Like a hyena stalking a wounded animal. 135 00:05:21,863 --> 00:05:23,114 Is that what happened with Carla? 136 00:05:23,198 --> 00:05:24,157 Did he sniff her out? 137 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:27,619 Let's just say such a woman-- 138 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:31,665 damaged, vulnerable, lonely-- 139 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:33,375 under the sway of such a man 140 00:05:33,458 --> 00:05:36,211 would do anything to win and keep his approval, 141 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:37,462 no matter how depraved, 142 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:40,382 no matter what the damage to herself or her children. 143 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:44,135 Would such a woman still be under his sway? 144 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:47,055 Recovery is possible. I've seen it myself. 145 00:05:47,138 --> 00:05:49,057 Is it ever possible 146 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:51,685 that the the prey animal attacked the predator first, 147 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,228 before he could find her? 148 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,188 A prey animal doesn't attack a predator 149 00:05:55,313 --> 00:05:57,190 unless it's cornered. 150 00:05:57,315 --> 00:05:59,234 I mean, if he came to her door, 151 00:05:59,317 --> 00:06:00,735 maybe she might use a knife or a gun 152 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:02,153 to defend herself. 153 00:06:02,237 --> 00:06:04,072 But follow him, stalk him, 154 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:06,825 attack him preemptively with a car? 155 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:09,077 No, I wouldn't think so. 156 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,454 You sound pretty passionate about this, doctor. 157 00:06:11,579 --> 00:06:14,082 Maybe we should be asking you about your alibi. 158 00:06:14,165 --> 00:06:18,211 I'm a lifelong New Yorker, detective. 159 00:06:18,294 --> 00:06:21,047 I don't have a license. 160 00:06:21,131 --> 00:06:25,176 And...I don't drive. 161 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:27,721 Look, doctor, we need to talk to Carla, 162 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:29,556 if only to eliminate her 163 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:31,266 as a suspect. 164 00:06:31,349 --> 00:06:32,934 I'll tell you what. 165 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:34,436 I'll call her. 166 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,771 If she's willing to talk to you... 167 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:40,400 She works in a nursery school. 168 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:42,027 We thought we'd take a ride out there, 169 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:43,319 see if she's got an alibi. 170 00:06:43,445 --> 00:06:45,488 Her shrink says that we can cross her off the list 171 00:06:45,613 --> 00:06:46,406 and move on. 172 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:48,324 I'll do it. 173 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:53,246 I had nothing to do with what happened to Jacob. 174 00:06:53,329 --> 00:06:55,582 So, whn he got parole? 175 00:06:55,665 --> 00:06:59,085 I panicked. 176 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:02,464 I walked away from my job, 177 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:04,799 my apartment. 178 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:07,469 I was afraid he would find me. 179 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:10,305 Why would he come looking for you? 180 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:13,808 Because he still blames me. 181 00:07:13,892 --> 00:07:15,727 Can you believe it? 182 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:20,398 He never admitted what he did. 183 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:23,318 Everything that ever happened to him 184 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,445 is someone else's fault. 185 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:27,113 Where were you that morning? 186 00:07:27,197 --> 00:07:28,198 I was here. 187 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,742 Drop-off starts at 7:30. 188 00:07:33,578 --> 00:07:36,665 If I was still angry enough... 189 00:07:36,748 --> 00:07:39,626 to want to kill him, 190 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:44,130 it would mean I was still tied to him emotionally. 191 00:07:44,255 --> 00:07:46,466 And I can't afford that. 192 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:50,470 Even after what he did to you and your children? 193 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:54,766 You know what I want... in life? 194 00:07:56,851 --> 00:07:59,354 Not to think about him. 195 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,856 Not remember him. 196 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:04,275 Not talk about him. 197 00:08:04,401 --> 00:08:08,571 Not hear his name. 198 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,699 That's all. 199 00:08:18,957 --> 00:08:22,544 I don't believe she'd ever go near that man again, 200 00:08:22,627 --> 00:08:24,713 not even behind the wheel of a tank. 201 00:08:24,796 --> 00:08:26,297 How is Lowenstein? 202 00:08:26,381 --> 00:08:27,507 He's still critical, 203 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:29,009 but we may be able to talk to him tomorrow. 204 00:08:29,134 --> 00:08:30,635 And we did get a location on his son. 205 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:31,803 Yeah, Patchogue. 206 00:08:31,886 --> 00:08:33,221 This time of day, 207 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:36,099 you're better off taking the tunnel. 208 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:37,851 Hyuh! 209 00:08:39,644 --> 00:08:43,356 Ez, Brian, two more plays and we're done. 210 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,358 Come here, would you? 211 00:08:45,442 --> 00:08:48,570 These two gentlemen want to talk to you. 212 00:08:48,695 --> 00:08:49,904 Thanks, coach. How you doing, Ezra? 213 00:08:49,988 --> 00:08:51,239 I'm Detective Green. 214 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:52,741 This is my partner, Detective Fontana. 215 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:54,534 Hi, Ezra. You know why we're here? 216 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:55,535 I think so. 217 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:57,328 I've been reading the papers. 218 00:08:57,412 --> 00:08:58,538 Is he gonna die? 219 00:08:58,621 --> 00:09:00,457 He might. It don't look good. 220 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:01,249 Okay. 221 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:02,375 Have you heard from him 222 00:09:02,459 --> 00:09:03,960 since he's been out of prison? 223 00:09:04,085 --> 00:09:05,920 It's okay if you have. 224 00:09:06,004 --> 00:09:08,173 I--he called a couple of times. 225 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:10,300 Have you seen him? 226 00:09:10,383 --> 00:09:11,259 Hey, Ezra. Dad! 227 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:12,302 What's going on? 228 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,304 New York City Police Department, sir. 229 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:15,430 What's this about? 230 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:16,639 Jacob Lowenstein. 231 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:19,350 We were just asking Ezra if he'd seen him recently. 232 00:09:19,476 --> 00:09:21,394 I can answer that. No, he hasn't. 233 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:23,563 Uh, actually, I have. 234 00:09:23,688 --> 00:09:25,190 Once. 235 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:26,608 He took the train out. 236 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:28,401 I met him at the station for a few minutes. 237 00:09:28,526 --> 00:09:30,236 Don't be mad. I was curious. 238 00:09:30,362 --> 00:09:31,571 I'm not mad. 239 00:09:31,654 --> 00:09:32,989 What'd you talk about? 240 00:09:33,114 --> 00:09:34,949 He denied everything. 241 00:09:35,033 --> 00:09:37,369 Said it was all lies-- he never hurt anyone. 242 00:09:37,452 --> 00:09:39,829 Especially my birth mother, my sister, and me. 243 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:41,373 Anything else? 244 00:09:41,498 --> 00:09:42,707 He asked me for money. 245 00:09:42,791 --> 00:09:44,876 I told you he didn't care about you. 246 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:47,420 It was like talking to a creepy stranger. 247 00:09:47,504 --> 00:09:48,421 That's exacty what he is, Ezra- 248 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,464 a creepy strange. 249 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:51,383 I know. I'm sorry. 250 00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:53,468 Excuse me, sir, but where were you 251 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:54,969 the day that Lowenstein got hit? 252 00:09:55,053 --> 00:09:56,513 On the Long Island Railroad. 253 00:09:56,638 --> 00:09:58,223 On the way into my office in mid-town. 254 00:09:58,348 --> 00:09:59,599 Where were you that morning, Ezra? 255 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:00,600 Schoo. 256 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:02,519 You can check with my homeroom teacher. 257 00:10:02,644 --> 00:10:04,312 You have a car? Yeah. 258 00:10:04,396 --> 00:10:06,398 We're gonna need to look at both of your cars. 259 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:09,025 Go ahead. 260 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:11,486 We have nothing to hide. 261 00:10:15,657 --> 00:10:17,742 When do you think we'll be able to talk to him? 262 00:10:17,826 --> 00:10:18,660 Maybe tomorrow. 263 00:10:18,743 --> 00:10:20,120 He's in and out of lucidity. 264 00:10:20,245 --> 00:10:21,287 The morphine. 265 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:22,622 He have any visitors? 266 00:10:22,706 --> 00:10:25,875 Uh, his lawyer and his fiancee. 267 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,460 His fiancee? 268 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:28,962 That's what she said. 269 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:30,630 You remember her name? 270 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:33,591 She's down the hall, in the lounge. 271 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:36,678 We got engaged about a year ago. 272 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:38,096 When it started to look like 273 00:10:38,179 --> 00:10:39,889 Jake's parole would come through. 274 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:41,641 Jake? 275 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:44,060 Can we talk to you out here? 276 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:46,438 He gave me this ring when he got out. 277 00:10:46,521 --> 00:10:48,857 Spent every dime he had in the world on it. 278 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:50,775 He loves me so much. 279 00:10:50,859 --> 00:10:52,861 Uh, Shery. 280 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:56,990 Do you know why he was in prison? 281 00:10:57,073 --> 00:10:59,951 I was, like, in grammar school when that happened. 282 00:11:00,035 --> 00:11:01,619 If it happened. 283 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:06,332 So...you're not worried about any of this? 284 00:11:06,458 --> 00:11:08,543 About what? 285 00:11:09,961 --> 00:11:12,130 Okay, listen. 286 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:13,840 We're gonna give you a card. 287 00:11:13,965 --> 00:11:14,924 If you need anything-- 288 00:11:15,008 --> 00:11:16,551 What would I need? 289 00:11:17,927 --> 00:11:20,430 How did you two meet? 290 00:11:20,513 --> 00:11:21,556 Oh, I read an article about him. 291 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:22,849 And then I wrote him a letter. 292 00:11:22,932 --> 00:11:24,559 And he wrote back, so I looked him up 293 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:26,519 on the Corrections Department web site. 294 00:11:26,603 --> 00:11:27,896 They even had a map 295 00:11:27,979 --> 00:11:28,730 and instructions. 296 00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:30,857 Must have made visiting day a snap. 297 00:11:30,982 --> 00:11:32,901 Yeah, well, we just want to put this all behind us, 298 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,110 you know, get married. 299 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:36,363 Get on with our lives. 300 00:11:36,488 --> 00:11:38,073 Jake's so good with my kids. 301 00:11:38,156 --> 00:11:40,992 You--you have kids? 302 00:11:41,076 --> 00:11:42,660 Yeah, a boy and a girl. 303 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:44,871 They've been so happy since he moved in with us. 304 00:11:44,996 --> 00:11:48,333 Wait a second. This guy is living with you? 305 00:11:48,458 --> 00:11:49,918 Since he left the halfway house. 306 00:11:50,001 --> 00:11:51,669 What the hell is the matter with you? 307 00:11:51,753 --> 00:11:53,588 If you want to screw up your own life, 308 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,173 be our guest, it's a free country. 309 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:56,883 But to bring this guy into your house 310 00:11:57,008 --> 00:11:57,926 with your kids? 311 00:11:58,009 --> 00:12:01,429 Yeah, he would never, ever hurt them. 312 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:04,682 Does his parole officer know about this arrangement? 313 00:12:04,766 --> 00:12:06,976 Jacob said he approved it. So did Dr. Draper. 314 00:12:07,102 --> 00:12:10,105 Said it was his first step in his return to normalcy. 315 00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:11,147 Who's Dr. Draper? 316 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:12,524 Joyce Draper. 317 00:12:12,607 --> 00:12:14,526 The therapist he worked with in prison. 318 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:16,403 She really helped him deal with his anger. 319 00:12:16,486 --> 00:12:17,612 You know, about him 320 00:12:17,696 --> 00:12:19,739 being incarcerated and all. 321 00:12:19,823 --> 00:12:21,241 And he was angry about that? 322 00:12:21,366 --> 00:12:23,368 Oh, yea. 323 00:12:23,451 --> 00:12:24,619 But he was getting through it. 324 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:26,413 He was doing really well, too. 325 00:12:26,496 --> 00:12:27,998 And then this happened. 326 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:31,751 I feel so guilty. 327 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:32,919 I mean, we lived right around the corner 328 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:34,212 from where he got hit. 329 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:36,923 But why would you feel guilty? 330 00:12:37,006 --> 00:12:39,718 Well, the accident. 331 00:12:39,843 --> 00:12:42,887 It happened right after he dropped Emily off at school. 332 00:12:49,477 --> 00:12:50,437 . 333 00:12:50,562 --> 00:12:53,481 She's just finishing up with a patient. 334 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:54,774 We understand your wife does some work 335 00:12:54,858 --> 00:12:55,984 up at the penitentiary. 336 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:57,027 Couple of days a week. 337 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:58,069 The rest of the time, 338 00:12:58,194 --> 00:12:59,279 she sees her regular patients here. 339 00:12:59,404 --> 00:13:01,573 She ever talk about the patients she treats? 340 00:13:01,656 --> 00:13:03,074 You mean like Jacob Lowenstein? 341 00:13:03,158 --> 00:13:04,492 For instanc. 342 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:06,244 We have a rule in the house. 343 00:13:06,327 --> 00:13:08,330 I don't talk about calculus proofs, 344 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:11,041 she doesn't make pillow talk about prisoners. 345 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:12,500 You said it wasn't your choice? 346 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:14,044 If I had my druthers, she'd do something else. 347 00:13:14,169 --> 00:13:15,128 Ron? 348 00:13:15,253 --> 00:13:16,629 In here, honey. 349 00:13:19,591 --> 00:13:21,593 My wife Joyce Draper. 350 00:13:21,718 --> 00:13:24,137 Detective Green, Detective Fontana. 351 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,139 Hi. 352 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:28,516 Well, I'll leave you to it. 353 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,519 I imagine you're here about Jacob Lowenstein. 354 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,606 Yes, Dr. Draper-- what can you tell us about him? 355 00:13:34,689 --> 00:13:36,775 I'm not a doctor, I'm a social worker. 356 00:13:36,858 --> 00:13:39,277 Sorry. 357 00:13:39,361 --> 00:13:41,363 Lowenstein was one of a number of inmates 358 00:13:41,488 --> 00:13:43,615 who volunteered to have intensive therapy. 359 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:46,117 An experimental program, individual and group. 360 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:47,660 Did he want to change his life? 361 00:13:47,744 --> 00:13:49,663 Did he want to straighten himself out, what? 362 00:13:49,746 --> 00:13:51,998 Because it looked good on his parole application. 363 00:13:52,082 --> 00:13:53,708 I'm not a babe in the woods. 364 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:54,876 I don't kid myself about their motives. 365 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:58,046 But that doesn't mean it didn't do him some good, anyway. 366 00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,714 Did it do him any good? 367 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,716 I think it did, yes. Definitely. 368 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,218 After he got ou, did you hae 369 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:04,636 any further contat with hi? 370 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:07,472 My contact with an inmate ends when he's released. 371 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:10,058 And then what happens? 372 00:14:10,141 --> 00:14:11,059 He goes cold turkey? 373 00:14:11,101 --> 00:14:13,728 He receives counseling as a part of his parole. 374 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,063 Just not from me. 375 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:16,898 He didn't call, try to get in touch with you? 376 00:14:17,023 --> 00:14:18,024 He did call once. 377 00:14:18,108 --> 00:14:19,651 From the halfway house. 378 00:14:19,776 --> 00:14:22,112 Told me how hard it was to be out, 379 00:14:22,237 --> 00:14:24,030 all eyes on him all the time. 380 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:25,532 He didn't wat to see yo? 381 00:14:25,615 --> 00:14:27,367 I wasn't about to violate the rules. 382 00:14:27,450 --> 00:14:30,161 And that was it-- you never heard from him again? 383 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:31,496 I didn't give him what he wanted, 384 00:14:31,579 --> 00:14:33,707 so he gave up. 385 00:14:33,832 --> 00:14:36,918 Uh, did you know about his fiancee Sheryl? 386 00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:39,212 Yes, met her once. 387 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:41,089 After a therapy session. 388 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:42,841 She's got children, two little kids. 389 00:14:42,924 --> 00:14:44,009 He's living with them. 390 00:14:44,134 --> 00:14:45,760 He's supposed to be at the halfway house. 391 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,303 The parole officer lost track of him. 392 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:48,263 That's not a good situation. 393 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:51,015 Well, if he lives, he's going back to jail 394 00:14:51,141 --> 00:14:53,560 for violating his parole. 395 00:14:53,685 --> 00:14:55,228 We talked to Carla's psychiatrist, 396 00:14:55,311 --> 00:14:56,312 Dr. Clayburgh. 397 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:58,732 Yes. He's well-respected. 398 00:14:58,857 --> 00:15:02,318 He says that guys like Lowenstein were incurable. 399 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:05,238 There is that school of thought. 400 00:15:05,363 --> 00:15:07,657 Do you subscribe to that school of thought? 401 00:15:07,741 --> 00:15:09,284 If I did, I couldn't continue 402 00:15:09,367 --> 00:15:11,453 to do the work that I do. 403 00:15:13,455 --> 00:15:14,956 The son, Ezra, his car is clean. 404 00:15:15,081 --> 00:15:16,916 What about his father's SUV? 405 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,335 It's clean too. Hello? 406 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:20,754 His alibi is solid. He was in his office. 407 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:22,297 He had meetings the whole morning. 408 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:23,590 Okay, okay. Thanks. 409 00:15:23,673 --> 00:15:24,591 That was the hospital. 410 00:15:24,716 --> 00:15:26,009 Lowenstein? Mm-hmm. 411 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,761 He wants to talk to us. 412 00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:33,350 It wasn't an accident. 413 00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:36,770 Somebody did this deliberately. 414 00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:38,271 What the hell? 415 00:15:38,355 --> 00:15:40,732 Why would somebody want to hurt me? 416 00:15:40,815 --> 00:15:41,900 You're kiddin, righ? 417 00:15:42,025 --> 00:15:43,443 Witnesses sy they heard a cr 418 00:15:43,526 --> 00:15:47,072 accelerating before and after it hit you. 419 00:15:47,197 --> 00:15:50,033 All those years in that God-forsaken place. 420 00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,410 I paid my dues. 421 00:15:52,494 --> 00:15:55,413 Some people would say you hadn't even begun. 422 00:15:55,497 --> 00:15:58,291 Forget about everything you think you know. 423 00:15:58,375 --> 00:16:00,752 I loved those kids... 424 00:16:00,835 --> 00:16:03,004 every minute I was with them. 425 00:16:03,088 --> 00:16:05,340 Yeah, you loved those kids to death, didn't you? 426 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:06,841 It was all 427 00:16:06,925 --> 00:16:08,635 the media's fault. 428 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,637 This whole thing, from start to finish, 429 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,430 blown out of proportion. 430 00:16:12,514 --> 00:16:14,349 You think they were hard on you? 431 00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:16,643 They took her side, 432 00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:18,353 all the way--Carla's. 433 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:20,397 And then, when they let me out, 434 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,400 they completely made me a target 435 00:16:23,525 --> 00:16:26,319 with the cameras and the news coverage. 436 00:16:26,403 --> 00:16:28,905 Look what it got me. 437 00:16:28,989 --> 00:16:30,782 What do you remember about that morning? 438 00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:33,868 I dropped Emily off at school. 439 00:16:33,952 --> 00:16:36,121 And then I was walking to the corner 440 00:16:36,204 --> 00:16:37,664 to get a paper, 441 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,958 and next thing I know, 442 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:42,168 I wake up here. 443 00:16:42,252 --> 00:16:44,379 And I'm missing my leg. 444 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:47,549 My leg, for God's sake. 445 00:16:49,134 --> 00:16:52,804 Did, uh, did you see the car that hit you, sir? 446 00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:57,475 I don't remember anything after I dropped her off. 447 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,228 You ain't giving us that much to work with. 448 00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:01,354 I'm giving you 449 00:17:01,438 --> 00:17:03,690 what I got. 450 00:17:03,815 --> 00:17:07,360 So, you find the scumbag who ran me over. 451 00:17:07,485 --> 00:17:09,988 We're lookin'. 452 00:17:10,071 --> 00:17:12,532 Not lookin' too hard, are you? 453 00:17:12,615 --> 00:17:15,702 Can't believe I was safer inside. 454 00:17:15,827 --> 00:17:16,745 How did yu manage tha? 455 00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:19,122 To stay safe on the inside? 456 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:22,250 Guys like you-- child killers, molesters-- 457 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:24,336 I never killed anybody. 458 00:17:24,461 --> 00:17:26,671 They get taken apart in the joint. 459 00:17:26,755 --> 00:17:29,841 I got a law degree, 460 00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:35,138 and I did legal work for the other inmates. 461 00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:41,353 Managed to get himself 462 00:17:41,436 --> 00:17:43,480 a correspondence school J.D. inside. 463 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:44,689 Kept him in one piece. 464 00:17:44,773 --> 00:17:46,107 Kept him busy too. 465 00:17:46,191 --> 00:17:48,443 He had them lining up around the cell block. 466 00:17:48,526 --> 00:17:50,403 Writs, appeals for new trials, 467 00:17:50,528 --> 00:17:52,447 for parole hearings. 468 00:17:52,530 --> 00:17:53,531 Well, he couldn't have won any of them. 469 00:17:53,615 --> 00:17:54,783 Of course not. They're all guilty. 470 00:17:54,866 --> 00:17:56,368 That doesn't stop them from trying. 471 00:17:56,451 --> 00:17:57,786 Was there anyone in particular 472 00:17:57,869 --> 00:17:59,704 who was bent out of shape over losing an appeal? 473 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:02,374 This one inmate, 474 00:18:02,499 --> 00:18:03,875 Lowenstein tried a couple of times 475 00:18:03,958 --> 00:18:05,877 to get him a hearing for a new trial. 476 00:18:06,002 --> 00:18:09,339 He didn't take it at all well when he got turned down. 477 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:10,465 Blamed it on his lawye. 478 00:18:10,548 --> 00:18:12,550 Don't they all? Can we talk to him? 479 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:15,095 He got released a couple of months ago. 480 00:18:16,471 --> 00:18:19,391 I watched his back. He was supposed to get me out. 481 00:18:19,474 --> 00:18:20,975 But he screwed up your appeal? 482 00:18:21,059 --> 00:18:23,311 Twice, till I got me a real lawyer. 483 00:18:23,436 --> 00:18:26,481 The cockroach didn't have a clue what he was doing. 484 00:18:26,564 --> 00:18:27,565 Cockroach? 485 00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:29,484 That was his nickname inside the joint, 486 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:30,777 'cause he gave everybody the creeps. 487 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:31,778 Made your skin crawl. 488 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:33,571 Okay, you got an alibi 489 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:35,281 for the morning he got hit by that car? 490 00:18:35,365 --> 00:18:37,158 You're looking at it. 491 00:18:37,242 --> 00:18:39,536 Anyone else on the inside have a beef with Lowenstein? 492 00:18:39,619 --> 00:18:40,495 Yeah, take your pic. 493 00:18:40,578 --> 00:18:41,538 Nobody liked him. 494 00:18:41,663 --> 00:18:44,624 He was a whiner, a teacher's pet. 495 00:18:44,708 --> 00:18:48,336 The therapist-- her experimental cognitive... 496 00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:49,421 whatever. 497 00:18:49,546 --> 00:18:50,880 You talking about Draper? 498 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,424 Lowenstein was her pet project. 499 00:18:52,507 --> 00:18:53,675 And you wee in her group to? 500 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:56,428 Yeah. Want to know the best part about therapy? 501 00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,471 Her ass. 502 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:01,599 Thanks. 503 00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:04,811 Joyce Draper drives a 2002 Ford Explorer SUV. 504 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:08,189 Fits what the crime lab said. 505 00:19:08,273 --> 00:19:11,526 What if Lowenstein was her pet project? 506 00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,153 And what if, for some reason, 507 00:19:13,278 --> 00:19:15,405 she decided that this was never gonna work, 508 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:16,489 he was never gonna change? 509 00:19:16,573 --> 00:19:17,657 Like Dr. Clayburgh said. 510 00:19:17,741 --> 00:19:19,326 Right. Remember what he said? 511 00:19:19,409 --> 00:19:20,535 He said that a woman like Carla 512 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:22,579 would not have the moxie 513 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:24,414 to kill Lowenstein preemptively. 514 00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:25,540 But Joyce Draper would. 515 00:19:25,623 --> 00:19:26,541 Brother, would she. 516 00:19:26,624 --> 00:19:28,376 With plenty of moxie left over. 517 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,378 We need to look into her car. 518 00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:31,963 Hello? 519 00:19:32,088 --> 00:19:33,548 Hospital? 520 00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:36,092 Lowenstein just took a turn for the worse. 521 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:38,636 I hope he doesn't seven out before we get the chance 522 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,055 to talk to him about his favorite shrink. 523 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:41,389 Okay, we'll be right there. 524 00:19:41,473 --> 00:19:43,391 Thanks. 525 00:19:43,475 --> 00:19:45,935 Pulmonary embolus. 526 00:19:46,019 --> 00:19:48,646 I guarantee you she's the only person in this world 527 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,733 that will ever shed a tear over this guy. 528 00:19:57,155 --> 00:19:59,157 We took a look at Joyce Draper's car. 529 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:00,200 Without a warrant? 530 00:20:00,283 --> 00:20:01,159 She offered it up. 531 00:20:01,242 --> 00:20:02,911 Just had it washed and detailed. 532 00:20:03,036 --> 00:20:05,246 Didn't expect us to find anything. 533 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,165 Did you? Yeah. 534 00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:09,376 A hairline crack in the front grille. 535 00:20:09,459 --> 00:20:11,211 And trace DNA on the bumper. 536 00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:12,253 Can we match it? 537 00:20:12,337 --> 00:20:13,588 It's a little bit degraded, 538 00:20:13,672 --> 00:20:15,965 but the M.E. says it's definitely Lowenstein's. 539 00:20:16,091 --> 00:20:17,509 What about her alibi? 540 00:20:17,592 --> 00:20:19,552 Home alone, no way to verify. 541 00:20:19,678 --> 00:20:20,553 What about a motive? 542 00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:21,554 Not so far, 543 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,931 but we found out 544 00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:24,599 she quit her job at the penitentiary 545 00:20:24,682 --> 00:20:26,434 a week after he got paroled. 546 00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:29,354 That's interesting. So she bluffed on the car. 547 00:20:29,437 --> 00:20:31,314 Well, let's ask her to come in and talk to us 548 00:20:31,439 --> 00:20:32,190 voluntaril. 549 00:20:32,232 --> 00:20:34,818 She can hardly say no to that now. 550 00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:37,612 I took a mental health morning. 551 00:20:37,696 --> 00:20:38,530 Stayed home, catching up 552 00:20:38,655 --> 00:20:41,116 on back issues of the New Yorker. 553 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:43,034 You make any calls, have any visitors? 554 00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:44,369 N. 555 00:20:44,494 --> 00:20:47,497 Sorry, nobody to vouch for me but myself. 556 00:20:47,622 --> 00:20:48,915 Where ws your husban? 557 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,501 He had an early lecture to give. 558 00:20:51,626 --> 00:20:54,921 The police examined your car. 559 00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,590 I told them they could. 560 00:20:57,674 --> 00:21:00,051 And found a crack in the front grille. 561 00:21:00,135 --> 00:21:01,970 I rear-ended somebody ages ago. 562 00:21:02,095 --> 00:21:03,638 Didn't seem worth getting fixed 563 00:21:03,722 --> 00:21:05,223 just to jack up my insurance. 564 00:21:05,306 --> 00:21:06,808 Mm-hmm. 565 00:21:07,851 --> 00:21:10,729 Crack in the front grille... 566 00:21:10,812 --> 00:21:14,065 and Jacob Lowenstein's DNA. 567 00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:16,776 Jacob Lowenstein's DNA. That's not possible. 568 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:18,403 Maybe you thought you washed it away. 569 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:20,113 I really don't know how it could have gotten there. 570 00:21:20,238 --> 00:21:21,239 Are you sure? 571 00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:22,449 Look, Joyce, 572 00:21:22,532 --> 00:21:24,951 we know why you did it. 573 00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:26,786 You knew he shouldn't be out on the street. 574 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:28,997 You probably did the city a real service. 575 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:32,876 Hell...I wish I could throw you a parade. 576 00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:35,962 But you also knew 577 00:21:36,087 --> 00:21:38,131 he was in violation of his parole. 578 00:21:38,256 --> 00:21:40,800 If you'd picked up the phone and called, 579 00:21:40,884 --> 00:21:43,511 he would have been sent back to prison. 580 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:50,435 Now, I know the D.A. will consider 581 00:21:50,518 --> 00:21:52,312 a lesser charge. 582 00:21:53,772 --> 00:21:55,815 Vehicular manslaughter, maybe. 583 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,194 A couple of years at a minimum security facility, 584 00:21:59,277 --> 00:22:00,528 and you're paroled. 585 00:22:00,612 --> 00:22:01,821 You can go on with your life, 586 00:22:01,905 --> 00:22:03,698 pick up where you left off. 587 00:22:03,782 --> 00:22:05,200 We can work with you, Joyce. 588 00:22:05,283 --> 00:22:09,454 Do you hear what I'm saying? 589 00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:11,081 All you have to do 590 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,666 is tell us what happened. 591 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,591 I didn't do it. 592 00:22:27,263 --> 00:22:31,851 The DNA cannot be explained away. 593 00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:35,563 Please, don't take your chances at trial. 594 00:22:35,647 --> 00:22:38,525 This here is your best shot. 595 00:22:40,443 --> 00:22:43,530 Come on. 596 00:22:43,655 --> 00:22:45,365 Tell me what happened. 597 00:22:49,911 --> 00:22:52,914 I can't continue this conversation. 598 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:56,584 Not without a lawyer. 599 00:23:04,968 --> 00:23:05,885 She was on the brink. 600 00:23:05,969 --> 00:23:07,679 Just couldn't bring herself to give it up. 601 00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:09,931 If she did, it'd be the end of her career. 602 00:23:10,015 --> 00:23:12,142 Well, maybe that's what we should be looking at. 603 00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:13,601 Her career? 604 00:23:13,685 --> 00:23:15,061 Well, her work at the prison 605 00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:16,688 with Lowenstein. 606 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:18,982 He had to volunteer for her treatment program. 607 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:20,734 Maybe those sessions were taped. 608 00:23:20,859 --> 00:23:21,985 If they were, we might get a better idea 609 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,070 of what was going on between the two of them. 610 00:23:24,154 --> 00:23:28,116 So, do social workers have privilege, like shrinks? 611 00:23:28,199 --> 00:23:29,242 It might not matter. 612 00:23:29,284 --> 00:23:31,578 He was a prisoner in an experimental program. 613 00:23:31,661 --> 00:23:34,080 He probably had to sign a waiver. 614 00:23:36,958 --> 00:23:39,085 I was Joyce's supervisor on the study. 615 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:41,421 I understand that she resigned suddenly. 616 00:23:41,504 --> 00:23:43,590 The recidivism of certain kinds of offenders-- 617 00:23:43,715 --> 00:23:46,509 sex offenders, sociopaths--it's inevitable. 618 00:23:46,634 --> 00:23:47,927 It's death and taxes. 619 00:23:48,053 --> 00:23:49,554 And so is the eventual burnout 620 00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:50,972 of the people who try to help them. 621 00:23:51,056 --> 00:23:52,849 Is that what happened? She burned out? 622 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:53,975 I've been Joyce's mentor 623 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:55,018 since graduate school. 624 00:23:55,143 --> 00:23:57,520 Her work is her life. 625 00:23:57,645 --> 00:23:59,064 Her marriage, personal life, 626 00:23:59,147 --> 00:24:01,524 everything else takes a back seat. 627 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:02,984 It's a shame. 628 00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:05,487 She had eight years in on this study. 629 00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:06,696 Less than two to g. 630 00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:08,823 What specifically made her quit? 631 00:24:08,907 --> 00:24:10,408 She hit a wal. 632 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,077 With Lowenstein? 633 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,119 The study has a built-in component. 634 00:24:13,203 --> 00:24:16,122 So each researcher gets their own therapist. 635 00:24:16,247 --> 00:24:17,499 I was Joyce's. 636 00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,000 It's a firewall of sorts, 637 00:24:19,084 --> 00:24:22,879 so their personal feelings about the inmates 638 00:24:23,004 --> 00:24:23,963 don't stat to color the researc. 639 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:25,715 How often did you see her? 640 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,841 It was supposd to be once a wee. 641 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:28,009 But toward the en, 642 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:29,386 Joyce upped it to three times a week. 643 00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,346 Do you know why? 644 00:24:31,429 --> 00:24:33,932 Lowenstein was about to be released. 645 00:24:34,015 --> 00:24:35,725 Her stress levl was through the roo. 646 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:37,852 She was concerned about what he'd do? 647 00:24:40,105 --> 00:24:42,482 Take a look at the tape. 648 00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:44,192 You can judge for yourself. 649 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:49,906 Ah, don't worry. 650 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,492 I've always been a good daddy. 651 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,495 He practically dared Draper to stop him. 652 00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:57,288 She must have tracked him from the halfway house 653 00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:58,456 to Sheryl's. 654 00:24:58,540 --> 00:25:00,709 Well, she was keeping tabs on the kids. 655 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,210 Maybe she called the school. 656 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,964 This lady called the office. 657 00:25:06,089 --> 00:25:07,132 Said she was Emily's aunt, 658 00:25:07,257 --> 00:25:08,800 wanted to know how she was feeling. 659 00:25:08,883 --> 00:25:10,135 What did you tell her? 660 00:25:10,218 --> 00:25:11,052 At first, I didn't tell her anything. 661 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:13,763 The nurse's office is not supposed to. 662 00:25:13,888 --> 00:25:15,640 But she was so nice and so persistent, 663 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,892 and she said she was trying to reach Emily's mother. 664 00:25:18,018 --> 00:25:20,645 It's okay. I don't blame you. 665 00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:21,980 You're not gonna get into trouble. 666 00:25:22,063 --> 00:25:24,274 I told her she was a real trooper. 667 00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:25,317 Which she is-- 668 00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:28,236 writing and drawing even with the cast on. 669 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:33,700 We checked the phone records. 670 00:25:33,783 --> 00:25:35,785 Draper placed the call from her office at the penitentiary 671 00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:37,912 two days before she ran Lowenstein down. 672 00:25:37,996 --> 00:25:39,581 When did the little girl break her wrist? 673 00:25:39,664 --> 00:25:41,624 A week after Lowenstein moved in with them. 674 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:42,876 She fell off her bike. 675 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:44,919 Draper thought Lowenstein was to blame? 676 00:25:45,045 --> 00:25:46,171 That's a fair assumption. 677 00:25:46,296 --> 00:25:49,466 And a strong motive. Have the police pick her up. 678 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:52,886 Miss Draper? 679 00:25:53,011 --> 00:25:54,262 Detectives. 680 00:25:54,346 --> 00:25:56,848 You're under arrest for the murder of Jacob Lowenstein. 681 00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,183 Please don't handcuff me. 682 00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:01,728 We'll read you your rights in the car. Come on. 683 00:26:01,811 --> 00:26:03,146 If you're gonna let 'em out, 684 00:26:03,229 --> 00:26:04,606 you'd better keep up with 'em. 685 00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:06,149 And we allowed him to go right back 686 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,692 into the same situation, 687 00:26:07,776 --> 00:26:09,069 putting young children in harm's way. 688 00:26:09,194 --> 00:26:11,237 It's the limitations of the system. 689 00:26:11,363 --> 00:26:14,115 Too many people on parole, not enough parole officers. 690 00:26:14,199 --> 00:26:15,700 Well, what's the alternative? 691 00:26:15,784 --> 00:26:18,203 Keeping guys like Lowenstein imprisoned indefinitely? 692 00:26:18,328 --> 00:26:19,913 I wish. 693 00:26:19,996 --> 00:26:23,124 Look, I understand that everything is a trade-off. 694 00:26:23,208 --> 00:26:25,919 Obviously, the D.A. didn't have a slam-dunk murder case. 695 00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:27,629 Getting Lowenstein to plead to manslaughter 696 00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:29,130 was the best that they could do. 697 00:26:29,214 --> 00:26:30,965 That's what keeps D.A.s up at night. 698 00:26:31,049 --> 00:26:33,051 You go for the max, you could lose. 699 00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,095 You don't, a monster gets back on the street. 700 00:26:35,178 --> 00:26:36,638 They played the cards they were dealt, 701 00:26:36,763 --> 00:26:38,890 just as we do. 702 00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:41,101 And what Draper did was clearly wrong, 703 00:26:41,184 --> 00:26:43,144 any way you look at it. 704 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:46,231 We can't countenance vigilantism. 705 00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:48,108 But realistically-- Realistically? 706 00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:49,484 I know and you know-- 707 00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:51,820 and Joyce Draper knows better than any of us-- 708 00:26:51,945 --> 00:26:54,739 that the Lowensteins of the world don't change. 709 00:26:54,823 --> 00:26:57,158 But the law doesn't know. 710 00:26:57,242 --> 00:27:00,328 Maybe the Chinese have the best idea. 711 00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:03,206 Summary execution-- a bullet to the brain. 712 00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:05,792 And the family pays for the bullet. 713 00:27:05,917 --> 00:27:08,253 You're not serious. 714 00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:10,714 No. 715 00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:19,055 The therapists who do this sort of work 716 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:20,974 long enough, 717 00:27:21,099 --> 00:27:23,184 end up in the same dark place. 718 00:27:23,268 --> 00:27:24,811 Which is? 719 00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:26,938 They come to realize they themselves 720 00:27:27,022 --> 00:27:28,148 have been suffering 721 00:27:28,273 --> 00:27:30,734 from narcissistic, wishful thinking. 722 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:32,318 Did Joyce Draper 723 00:27:32,402 --> 00:27:34,195 think that she could cure Jacob Lowenstein? 724 00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:35,405 Objection. 725 00:27:35,447 --> 00:27:38,325 Dr. Peters can't testify to what Joyce Draper thought. 726 00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:39,659 Sustained. 727 00:27:39,743 --> 00:27:43,079 You were her supervisor and therapist? Yes. 728 00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:44,247 For how long? 729 00:27:44,372 --> 00:27:46,374 Eight years, six months. 730 00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:47,834 Until she resigned. 731 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:49,794 Yes. 732 00:27:49,878 --> 00:27:50,962 Was her work at the prison complete? 733 00:27:51,046 --> 00:27:52,005 No, n. 734 00:27:52,088 --> 00:27:54,299 The study still had 18 months to run. 735 00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:56,009 Would you describe Joyce Draper 736 00:27:56,134 --> 00:27:58,011 as dependable, conscientious? 737 00:27:58,094 --> 00:27:59,012 More than tha. 738 00:27:59,137 --> 00:28:00,221 She was driven. 739 00:28:00,346 --> 00:28:02,724 She was thoroughly committed to her work. 740 00:28:02,807 --> 00:28:04,225 Did she offer an explanation 741 00:28:04,351 --> 00:28:06,561 about her sudden decision to resign? 742 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:07,937 In the beginnin, she told e 743 00:28:08,063 --> 00:28:09,022 she thought she was making some progress 744 00:28:09,147 --> 00:28:10,357 with Lowenstein. 745 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,067 Then she came to realize he'd been conning her, 746 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:13,193 using her. 747 00:28:13,276 --> 00:28:14,361 Those were her words. 748 00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:17,197 How close in time was her resignation 749 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,991 to Lowenstein's release? 750 00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:21,868 Within a wek of his parol. 751 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:23,495 And that was the source of her frustration? 752 00:28:23,578 --> 00:28:24,371 In large par. 753 00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:26,664 Certainly there wee other factor. 754 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,166 Such as? 755 00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:30,210 I'd say that the stresses of her work life 756 00:28:30,335 --> 00:28:31,211 had a ripple effect 757 00:28:31,294 --> 00:28:33,421 on other areas of her life as well. 758 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:34,923 At home? 759 00:28:35,006 --> 00:28:36,341 This sort of wok 760 00:28:36,466 --> 00:28:38,218 is bound to cause strais in a marriag. 761 00:28:38,301 --> 00:28:39,302 Can you say more about 762 00:28:39,386 --> 00:28:40,929 the stress she was under at work? 763 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:42,430 You might sy she had a crisis of fait. 764 00:28:42,514 --> 00:28:45,225 You see, it's not so much the particular technique here 765 00:28:45,308 --> 00:28:46,768 that makes a difference. 766 00:28:46,851 --> 00:28:49,896 It's the therapeutic relationship. 767 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:52,732 Between Joyce Draper and Jacob Lowenstein? 768 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,275 This kind of offender 769 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,195 tests the basic principle that everyone is redeemable. 770 00:28:57,278 --> 00:29:00,281 Therapists have to work through their own repulsion. 771 00:29:00,365 --> 00:29:03,410 Was Joyce Draper repulsed by Jacob Lowenstein? 772 00:29:03,493 --> 00:29:05,120 Certainl. 773 00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:07,288 And Joyce held hersef to some very high standard. 774 00:29:07,372 --> 00:29:10,792 She couldn't stand to fail. 775 00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:13,211 And she failed with Jacob Lowenstein? 776 00:29:13,294 --> 00:29:15,255 Absolutel. 777 00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:18,925 Anyone would. He was beyond the pale. 778 00:29:21,177 --> 00:29:22,929 Did you know that... 779 00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:24,097 from the beginning of the study? 780 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:26,141 Oh, ye. 781 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:29,310 Yeah, but you let her go ahead with it anyway. 782 00:29:29,394 --> 00:29:31,438 I thought she'd be a better therapist for it 783 00:29:31,563 --> 00:29:32,939 in the long run. 784 00:29:33,023 --> 00:29:35,025 Why? 785 00:29:35,108 --> 00:29:37,569 Joyce is very talented. 786 00:29:37,652 --> 00:29:39,487 Maybe too talented. 787 00:29:39,612 --> 00:29:41,156 She thought she coud get through to anyon. 788 00:29:41,239 --> 00:29:44,075 And this experience would humble her? 789 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,828 In a way, she needed to encounter 790 00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:48,705 someone like Lowenstein. 791 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:50,790 We learn so much more from our failures 792 00:29:50,874 --> 00:29:52,167 than from our successes. 793 00:29:54,377 --> 00:29:57,464 And you set her up to fail. 794 00:30:04,804 --> 00:30:07,307 I think his testimony may have cut both ways. 795 00:30:07,432 --> 00:30:09,392 It helped paint the portrait. 796 00:30:09,476 --> 00:30:10,685 A woman under stress who snapped 797 00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:13,229 when she saw Lowenstein drop that little girl off at school 798 00:30:13,355 --> 00:30:14,439 with her arm in a cast. 799 00:30:14,522 --> 00:30:18,026 Someone the jury may very well empathize with. 800 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:20,862 It's a strong circumstantial case. 801 00:30:20,945 --> 00:30:22,280 They're still gonna latch on 802 00:30:22,405 --> 00:30:24,199 to why a woman like Draper, 803 00:30:24,282 --> 00:30:26,284 a professional woman, did something so drastic, 804 00:30:26,409 --> 00:30:27,952 so out of character. 805 00:30:28,036 --> 00:30:29,371 Gives a jury cover. 806 00:30:29,496 --> 00:30:30,372 She couldn't have done it, 807 00:30:30,455 --> 00:30:32,916 despite all the evidence to the contrary. 808 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:34,334 So what about the videotape from their last session? 809 00:30:34,417 --> 00:30:35,919 Talk about a two-edged sword. 810 00:30:36,002 --> 00:30:37,087 It gives you such a visceral sense 811 00:30:37,212 --> 00:30:39,339 of how dangerous Lowenstein was. 812 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:41,841 It also shows her motive. You saw her reaction. 813 00:30:41,925 --> 00:30:44,344 What he was saying to her stopped her cold. 814 00:30:44,427 --> 00:30:47,347 If the defense is going for jury nullification-- 815 00:30:47,472 --> 00:30:48,932 The imminent threat to the little girl-- 816 00:30:49,057 --> 00:30:50,350 a sudden, impulsive act. 817 00:30:50,475 --> 00:30:51,726 The tape supports premeditation. 818 00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:53,728 She started thinking about killing him then, 819 00:30:53,812 --> 00:30:56,398 not when she saw him on the street with Emily. 820 00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:58,108 That was just what made her pull the trigger. 821 00:30:58,233 --> 00:30:59,984 She had already loaded the gun. 822 00:31:00,068 --> 00:31:02,404 It's a huge gamble. 823 00:31:02,487 --> 00:31:04,906 It's your choice. 824 00:31:10,161 --> 00:31:15,709 I can't o really get back to societ. 825 00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:17,669 Done with the halfway house, 826 00:31:17,752 --> 00:31:20,380 with some guy telling e what I can and cannot d. 827 00:31:20,505 --> 00:31:22,090 You still have almost seven years of parole 828 00:31:22,215 --> 00:31:23,299 to comply with. 829 00:31:23,425 --> 00:31:25,093 Oh, sure, I'll show p 830 00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:27,095 for the obligatoy urine tess 831 00:31:27,178 --> 00:31:31,016 and tell my P.. exactly where I m 832 00:31:31,141 --> 00:31:32,600 at all time. 833 00:31:32,726 --> 00:31:35,645 Hey, Dr. Drape, don't worry about i. 834 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:36,980 You know me, righ? 835 00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:39,691 I alwas follow the rule. 836 00:31:39,774 --> 00:31:41,317 Good. 837 00:31:41,443 --> 00:31:44,446 I'm not coming back her, no si. 838 00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:45,530 No wa. 839 00:31:48,325 --> 00:31:50,702 You know what I'm realy looking forward t? 840 00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:52,162 Hu? 841 00:31:52,245 --> 00:31:54,164 No, Jacob. What? 842 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:57,167 Spending tie with Shery. 843 00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:59,085 That's natural. 844 00:31:59,169 --> 00:32:00,462 I'm thinkig of moving in with he. 845 00:32:00,587 --> 00:32:02,547 After you're done with the halfway house. 846 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:05,508 Oh, sure, of cours. Absolutel. 847 00:32:05,592 --> 00:32:07,552 After tha. 848 00:32:07,677 --> 00:32:09,554 Don't you think it'd be good for you 849 00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:11,598 to have your own place for a while? 850 00:32:11,723 --> 00:32:14,726 Nah, I never likd living alon. 851 00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:18,688 I always--I- I felt I needed a famil. 852 00:32:18,813 --> 00:32:20,690 You kno? 853 00:32:20,774 --> 00:32:23,777 A little gir, like my Did. 854 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:26,613 You think that's wise? 855 00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:29,240 Besides, the terms of your parole clearly-- 856 00:32:29,324 --> 00:32:31,117 I know, I kno. 857 00:32:31,242 --> 00:32:35,330 No unsupervised contat with minor. 858 00:32:35,455 --> 00:32:38,500 Sheryl will supervis. 859 00:32:40,251 --> 00:32:42,837 Sheryl has children? 860 00:32:42,921 --> 00:32:44,172 I didn't realize that. 861 00:32:44,297 --> 00:32:46,508 Oh, yea. She has Emil. 862 00:32:46,591 --> 00:32:48,760 Cute little first-grade. 863 00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:50,804 This is Emil. 864 00:32:50,929 --> 00:32:52,597 Isn't she cut? 865 00:32:52,722 --> 00:32:54,057 O! 866 00:32:54,182 --> 00:32:56,226 What a fac. 867 00:32:56,309 --> 00:32:58,603 And this is hr little brother Spenc. 868 00:33:01,898 --> 00:33:03,274 Aw, don't worr. 869 00:33:03,358 --> 00:33:05,694 I've always been a good daddy. 870 00:33:14,911 --> 00:33:16,830 You're still her. 871 00:33:16,955 --> 00:33:18,707 Writing my closing statement. 872 00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:20,458 You're gonna take it all the way to the jury? 873 00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:23,545 No reason not to. That tape was pretty damning. 874 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,463 It's your call, but a part of me 875 00:33:25,588 --> 00:33:27,757 wouldn't mind seeing this whole thing go away. 876 00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:29,759 Me too. 877 00:33:29,884 --> 00:33:32,220 You know, this office 878 00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,723 has cut a deal with the likes of Jacob Lowenstein. 879 00:33:34,806 --> 00:33:36,725 We could do the same thing with Joyce Draper. 880 00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:40,353 I'd be happy to if she'd allocute to what she did. 881 00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:41,730 She won't? 882 00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:42,856 I spoke to her lawyer. 883 00:33:42,981 --> 00:33:44,274 Dangled the possibility. 884 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,651 She won't accept any sort of guilty plea. 885 00:33:46,735 --> 00:33:49,362 I guess she's determined to see this thing through too. 886 00:33:49,487 --> 00:33:52,198 Apparently so. 887 00:33:52,282 --> 00:33:54,409 He's putting her on the stand. 888 00:33:54,534 --> 00:33:57,662 Tread lightly. 889 00:33:57,746 --> 00:34:00,248 You know, this case reminds me 890 00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:03,460 of something a wise old country lawyer once said. 891 00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,879 He said, you know, the first question that you ask 892 00:34:05,962 --> 00:34:08,131 in any murder case: 893 00:34:08,256 --> 00:34:11,509 Did the deceased deserve to die? 894 00:34:17,057 --> 00:34:18,767 I left abruptly. 895 00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:21,603 But burnout isn't exactly rare in my line of work. 896 00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:23,313 Did your resignation have anything to do 897 00:34:23,438 --> 00:34:25,607 with Jacob Lowenstein's release? 898 00:34:25,732 --> 00:34:26,775 No. 899 00:34:26,775 --> 00:34:29,444 Lowenstein's release wasn't the reason you resigned? 900 00:34:29,569 --> 00:34:31,696 No, it wasn't. 901 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:34,157 Did you hate Jacob Lowenstein? 902 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,451 No. 903 00:34:36,534 --> 00:34:40,163 Can you describe your feelings for him? 904 00:34:40,288 --> 00:34:42,123 I found him fascinating. 905 00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:44,376 Fascinating? 906 00:34:44,501 --> 00:34:47,670 Highly intelligent in some ways. 907 00:34:47,796 --> 00:34:50,757 Amoral, without conscience or scruple. 908 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,884 I wanted to know what made him tick. 909 00:34:52,967 --> 00:34:53,885 Repulsive? 910 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:55,595 Oh, certainl. 911 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,222 And did you think you could help him? 912 00:34:57,305 --> 00:34:58,473 I wanted to tr. 913 00:34:58,598 --> 00:34:59,724 Did you have any success? 914 00:34:59,808 --> 00:35:02,519 I think through our work together, 915 00:35:02,644 --> 00:35:04,270 he may have gained some insight 916 00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:05,730 into the sources of his behavior, 917 00:35:05,855 --> 00:35:07,941 which is the first step to controlling it. 918 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:10,402 And was he able to do that? 919 00:35:10,485 --> 00:35:11,987 I don't know. 920 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:13,697 Were you concerned about that? 921 00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:14,739 I was. 922 00:35:14,823 --> 00:35:16,324 In fact, you called Emily's school, 923 00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:17,242 pretending to be her aunt. 924 00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,911 They told me she had a broken wrist. 925 00:35:19,994 --> 00:35:21,246 She'd fallen off her bike. 926 00:35:21,329 --> 00:35:22,580 Were you concerned? Of course, 927 00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,499 But I didn't have any prof Jacob was to blam. 928 00:35:24,624 --> 00:35:25,583 And if you did? 929 00:35:25,667 --> 00:35:28,461 I would have reported it to the authorities. 930 00:35:28,545 --> 00:35:31,423 But you knew that he was living with Sheryl... 931 00:35:31,506 --> 00:35:33,299 and her children. 932 00:35:33,425 --> 00:35:35,385 Yes...I tried to reach his parole officer 933 00:35:35,468 --> 00:35:36,761 several times. 934 00:35:36,845 --> 00:35:39,723 Did you take your car and run him down? 935 00:35:39,806 --> 00:35:42,642 No, I didn't. 936 00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:46,479 So how do you explain his DNA on the bumper of your car? 937 00:35:46,563 --> 00:35:48,356 I can't. I don't know how it got there. 938 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,858 I keep my car in a garage. 939 00:35:49,941 --> 00:35:50,942 Any number of people 940 00:35:51,026 --> 00:35:52,027 have access to the ke. 941 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:53,778 Objection--foundation. 942 00:35:53,862 --> 00:35:55,989 Sustained. 943 00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:57,949 No more questions, your honor. 944 00:36:01,578 --> 00:36:03,997 We all saw the tape. 945 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,416 And during that session, 946 00:36:06,499 --> 00:36:09,127 didn't he as much as tell you 947 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:10,754 he was going to harm those children? 948 00:36:10,837 --> 00:36:12,714 I thought he was being provocative. 949 00:36:12,839 --> 00:36:13,882 Provocative? 950 00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:15,091 It's not uncommn 951 00:36:15,133 --> 00:36:17,969 for patients to want to end the therapeutic relationship 952 00:36:18,094 --> 00:36:19,971 with a fight... 953 00:36:20,055 --> 00:36:22,474 as a way to get over their separation anxiety. 954 00:36:22,557 --> 00:36:25,101 But you called the school anyway... 955 00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:26,895 to check on Emily. 956 00:36:26,978 --> 00:36:30,065 Checking with the school seemed unobtrusive, and wise. 957 00:36:30,148 --> 00:36:32,567 Why didn't you call her mother? 958 00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:34,736 I didn't think she'd tell me the truth. 959 00:36:34,819 --> 00:36:36,071 When you were told that Emily 960 00:36:36,154 --> 00:36:38,156 had a wrist fracture, 961 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,949 did you call her mother then? 962 00:36:40,075 --> 00:36:43,787 To tell her that you thought Lowenstein might be to blame? 963 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:46,539 I didn't want to jump in too soon. 964 00:36:46,623 --> 00:36:48,041 When would it have been a good time to intervene? 965 00:36:48,166 --> 00:36:49,042 When she was in a coma? 966 00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:50,293 Objection. 967 00:36:50,418 --> 00:36:51,795 The truth is, 968 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,963 you weren't really concerned about that little girl. 969 00:36:54,047 --> 00:36:56,716 I was planning to check on her every week. 970 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,844 If Emily had other injuries, then I'd contact her mother, 971 00:36:59,969 --> 00:37:01,930 tell her to make Lowenstein move out, 972 00:37:02,055 --> 00:37:03,848 or I'd report her to social services. 973 00:37:03,932 --> 00:37:06,643 I was trying to reach a parole officer! 974 00:37:06,726 --> 00:37:08,311 You could have gone to the police, 975 00:37:08,436 --> 00:37:09,854 had them look into it. 976 00:37:09,938 --> 00:37:14,067 Lowenstein was in violation of his parole! 977 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:16,111 He would have been removed from that household! 978 00:37:16,236 --> 00:37:18,989 I was debating when to do that. 979 00:37:19,114 --> 00:37:22,158 You were waiting for the right moment to kill him. 980 00:37:22,242 --> 00:37:24,869 Objection! Sustained. 981 00:37:24,953 --> 00:37:26,996 Didn't you stalk Jacob Lowenstein? 982 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,790 Follow him from his halfway house? 983 00:37:28,915 --> 00:37:30,125 No. 984 00:37:30,208 --> 00:37:32,544 Stake out his fiancee's house? 985 00:37:32,627 --> 00:37:35,380 Follow him when he brought Emily to school? 986 00:37:35,463 --> 00:37:36,589 I didn't do that. 987 00:37:36,715 --> 00:37:38,383 I didn't even know where they lived! 988 00:37:38,466 --> 00:37:39,676 You knew which school Emily attended. 989 00:37:39,801 --> 00:37:42,762 All you had to do was follow her home. 990 00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:44,889 She'd lead you directly to Lowenstein. 991 00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,808 Isn't that the simple truth? 992 00:37:46,933 --> 00:37:50,603 I didn't do that. I didn't. 993 00:37:50,687 --> 00:37:54,065 You never intended to call the police, did you? 994 00:38:14,961 --> 00:38:18,840 There are several things to remember about this case. 995 00:38:18,923 --> 00:38:22,677 Lots of people hated Jacob Lowenstein. 996 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:25,597 And with good reason, he was a danger... 997 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,808 to the community, to our children. 998 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,980 Other people had access to Joyce Draper's car. 999 00:38:34,064 --> 00:38:37,108 There's reasonable doubt here, ladies and gentlemen, 1000 00:38:37,192 --> 00:38:38,526 and that reasonable doubt 1001 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:39,736 is only strengthened 1002 00:38:39,861 --> 00:38:42,572 when you consider who Joyce Draper is. 1003 00:38:42,697 --> 00:38:45,158 A professional woman. 1004 00:38:45,283 --> 00:38:47,702 Someone who has devoted 1005 00:38:47,786 --> 00:38:48,787 her entire life 1006 00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:50,747 to helping other people. 1007 00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:52,582 There are people who belong in prison. 1008 00:38:52,707 --> 00:38:55,877 Like Jacob Lowenstein. 1009 00:38:57,003 --> 00:39:00,006 And there are people who don't. 1010 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:05,220 Joyce Draper... 1011 00:39:05,345 --> 00:39:08,890 does not belong in prison. 1012 00:39:15,981 --> 00:39:18,775 It's frustrating as a prosecutor 1013 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,653 when you're sure someone's a murderer, 1014 00:39:21,736 --> 00:39:23,571 but the only thing you can convict them of 1015 00:39:23,655 --> 00:39:25,824 is tax evasion or assault. 1016 00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:28,868 It's frustrating. But it's fundamental. 1017 00:39:28,952 --> 00:39:31,204 You can't punish a crime that you can't prove. 1018 00:39:31,287 --> 00:39:32,580 That's where 1019 00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:33,707 the penal code meets 1020 00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:36,084 the Declaration of Independence. 1021 00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:37,085 What do you do as a cop 1022 00:39:37,127 --> 00:39:39,754 if you're sure there's a bad man on your beat, 1023 00:39:39,879 --> 00:39:42,173 but you don't have a made case against him? 1024 00:39:42,257 --> 00:39:44,259 You don't frame him. You can't harass him. 1025 00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:45,677 You make the case. 1026 00:39:45,802 --> 00:39:49,139 You definitely don't shoot him. 1027 00:39:49,264 --> 00:39:52,225 So what should you do 1028 00:39:52,350 --> 00:39:54,060 as a citizen 1029 00:39:54,144 --> 00:39:56,771 if you're sure a monstrous predator 1030 00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,606 has been released from prison, 1031 00:39:58,732 --> 00:40:00,108 because they couldn't hold them anymore 1032 00:40:00,233 --> 00:40:02,819 under the law? 1033 00:40:02,902 --> 00:40:04,029 Write your own law? 1034 00:40:04,112 --> 00:40:06,156 Run him down in the street? 1035 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,532 You make sure 1036 00:40:07,657 --> 00:40:10,076 that the state enforces its rules. 1037 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,370 You get him for violating parole. 1038 00:40:12,454 --> 00:40:14,039 The day he moves in with Sheryl, 1039 00:40:14,122 --> 00:40:16,166 you have the cops at the door. 1040 00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:17,125 You make sure 1041 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:18,209 they watch him. 1042 00:40:18,293 --> 00:40:19,252 And if they don't, 1043 00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:21,254 if the system messes up, 1044 00:40:21,338 --> 00:40:23,048 if he hurts someone, 1045 00:40:23,173 --> 00:40:26,509 like Lowenstein could have hurt Sheryl's little girl, 1046 00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:28,636 you sound the general alarm. 1047 00:40:28,762 --> 00:40:30,221 You call the police and the papers. 1048 00:40:30,347 --> 00:40:31,681 You go on TV. 1049 00:40:31,806 --> 00:40:33,308 You make a scandal, 1050 00:40:33,433 --> 00:40:37,187 not a plan to commit murder. 1051 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:41,733 Joyce Draper is talented and brilliant. 1052 00:40:41,816 --> 00:40:44,361 She might be the smartest person in this room. 1053 00:40:44,444 --> 00:40:45,904 She's a sympathetic defendant, 1054 00:40:46,029 --> 00:40:49,240 and Jacob Lowenstein was a repulsive victim. 1055 00:40:49,324 --> 00:40:50,283 It doesn't matter. 1056 00:40:50,408 --> 00:40:51,743 Joyce Draper murdered 1057 00:40:51,826 --> 00:40:52,911 Jacob Lowenstein. 1058 00:40:53,036 --> 00:40:56,206 Deliberately, with malice aforethought. 1059 00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:59,167 And there's no reasonable doubt about that whatsoever. 1060 00:40:59,292 --> 00:41:02,754 She didn't even really try 1061 00:41:02,879 --> 00:41:05,340 to explain his blood on her car, 1062 00:41:05,465 --> 00:41:07,717 because she's betting on you 1063 00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:10,095 to let her get away with it. 1064 00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:12,847 Citizens, no matter what their role, 1065 00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:14,766 if it's a doctor or a police officer 1066 00:41:14,849 --> 00:41:16,851 or a prosecutor... 1067 00:41:16,976 --> 00:41:20,688 or a juror... 1068 00:41:20,772 --> 00:41:22,983 may not take the law 1069 00:41:23,108 --> 00:41:25,860 into their own hands. 1070 00:41:27,153 --> 00:41:29,989 Joyce Draper belongs in jail... 1071 00:41:30,073 --> 00:41:32,867 long enough to make it plain 1072 00:41:32,951 --> 00:41:36,621 that we as a society will not tolerate citizens 1073 00:41:36,746 --> 00:41:39,833 choosing who lives and who dies. 1074 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,880 And it's up to you to put her there. 1075 00:41:57,058 --> 00:41:59,477 Is this a record-breaker? 1076 00:41:59,561 --> 00:42:00,895 No, but it it is pretty fast. 1077 00:42:01,021 --> 00:42:02,397 The jury didn't have much choice 1078 00:42:02,522 --> 00:42:03,481 after her story unraveled 1079 00:42:03,523 --> 00:42:06,026 and you countered Goidell's wink-wink nudge-nudge 1080 00:42:06,151 --> 00:42:07,360 to the jury. 1081 00:42:07,444 --> 00:42:09,404 We'll see. 1082 00:42:14,284 --> 00:42:15,994 All rise! 1083 00:42:25,253 --> 00:42:27,756 Have you reached a verdict? 1084 00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,842 We have, your honor. 1085 00:42:34,512 --> 00:42:36,347 How say you? 1086 00:42:36,431 --> 00:42:39,351 On the charge of murder in the second degree, 1087 00:42:39,434 --> 00:42:41,936 we find the defendant not guilty. 1088 00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:10,382 They knew she was guilty, 1089 00:43:10,423 --> 00:43:12,175 but didn't want to hold her accountable. 1090 00:43:12,258 --> 00:43:13,802 Goidell gave them a door to walk through, 1091 00:43:13,885 --> 00:43:14,844 and they took it. 1092 00:43:14,969 --> 00:43:16,054 They don't think the system works 1093 00:43:16,137 --> 00:43:18,348 for guys like Lowenstein any more than we do. 1094 00:43:18,473 --> 00:43:19,974 So what's the answer? 1095 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:21,017 Nobody has one. 1096 00:43:21,142 --> 00:43:23,561 And I think that's exactly why Joyce Draper 1097 00:43:23,645 --> 00:43:25,188 is on her way home tonight. 1098 00:43:25,271 --> 00:43:28,274 Captioning by CaptionMax www.captionmax.com 77170

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