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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,680 In the criminal justice system In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:07,940 the people are represented 3 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:10,376 by two separate yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,480 the police, who investigate crime 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,100 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,660 These are their stories. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,280 Because I don't want her to hear us talking, that's why. 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,188 No, she knows all... 9 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:24,480 Look, it doesn't matter 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,880 if it was ten years ago or yesterday. 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,660 I mean, she sees me talking to you 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,869 and, you know, she sees us midcoitus. 13 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,014 What can I say? 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,943 Oh, my God. I think... I think I just heard gunshots. 15 00:00:38,811 --> 00:00:40,513 Lila, stop! Lila! 16 00:00:43,216 --> 00:00:44,450 Lila! 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,240 Dog walker heard shots coming from this area and called 9-1-1. 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,480 Uniforms responding found the door wide open. 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,040 Vics are Louise and Hugh Murdoch-- 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,915 husband and wife, both Ph.D.s 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,710 both full professors at Stuyvesant College. 22 00:00:59,810 --> 00:01:00,770 Brainy household. 23 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:02,370 Not smart enough to lock the door. 24 00:01:02,970 --> 00:01:04,310 She took three in the back. 25 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:05,570 No exit wounds. 26 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:08,305 M.E. will have to dig out the slugs. 27 00:01:08,406 --> 00:01:09,473 How about him? 28 00:01:09,573 --> 00:01:10,608 Two in the skull. 29 00:01:10,690 --> 00:01:11,530 Same on the slugs. 30 00:01:11,530 --> 00:01:12,831 You get a read on the weapons? 31 00:01:12,931 --> 00:01:14,099 No shell casings. 32 00:01:14,210 --> 00:01:15,050 Could have been a .38. 33 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:16,670 On the other hand, the lady took 34 00:01:16,770 --> 00:01:18,550 three in the back, so if she's running away 35 00:01:19,290 --> 00:01:20,130 could have been a semi. 36 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:21,190 Witness is outside. 37 00:01:22,090 --> 00:01:22,930 I'll get it. 38 00:01:23,930 --> 00:01:25,131 Was this phone here? 39 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:26,770 We found the cradle upstairs. 40 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:28,610 Okay, we need the LUDs on this number 41 00:01:28,610 --> 00:01:29,450 as soon as possible. 42 00:01:30,250 --> 00:01:32,130 I only saw the guy for a couple of seconds, you know? 43 00:01:32,130 --> 00:01:32,970 Only from behind. 44 00:01:33,290 --> 00:01:34,130 Do the best you can. 45 00:01:34,890 --> 00:01:37,593 Uh, uh, slight build, um, curly, dark hair. 46 00:01:38,970 --> 00:01:41,450 Uh, I-I think he might have been Hispanic. 47 00:01:41,450 --> 00:01:42,985 Why, his back look Spanish? 48 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:45,425 Uh, no, it's kind of embarrassing. 49 00:01:45,610 --> 00:01:46,878 The way Lila took off after the guy? 50 00:01:47,730 --> 00:01:50,332 Sh-She only does that with Latinos. 51 00:01:50,570 --> 00:01:52,770 Yeah, well, if you think of anything else... 52 00:01:52,770 --> 00:01:54,470 You wouldn't think on a block like this. 53 00:01:54,570 --> 00:01:55,671 Yeah. 54 00:01:55,771 --> 00:01:56,906 Was he any help? 55 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:58,520 Other than the racist dog. 56 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,180 My aunt had a spaniel that didn't like tall men. 57 00:02:02,020 --> 00:02:03,388 Detectives, we got something. 58 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:05,320 In a trash can around the corner. 59 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:07,300 He takes the time to clean up the casings 60 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:09,140 but throws the gun in the trash can? 61 00:02:09,140 --> 00:02:11,643 Well, some bulbs don't burn as bright as others. 62 00:02:11,743 --> 00:02:12,811 Fired recently. 63 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:14,120 Yeah. Three guesses where. 64 00:02:17,757 --> 00:02:20,994 Captioning sponsored by UNIVERSAL NETWORK TELEVISION 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Forensics ran: the prints from the gun 66 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,540 through the system-- nothing. 67 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,701 And you're sure this wasn't a robbery? 68 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,860 If it was, he was an amateur. 69 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,380 I mean, the husband was wearing 70 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,800 a Franck Muller Master Banker. 71 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:15,403 It's a watch. It goes for $25,000. 72 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,160 There's no hidden safe 73 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,280 the drawers were untouched 74 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,920 and there's expensive artwork on all the walls. 75 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,560 And you're a connoisseur now? 76 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,928 Hey, if it ain't "Dogs Playing Poker..." 77 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Anyway, they were both Stuyvesant college professors. 78 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,200 No robbery means this is personal. 79 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,282 Neighbors said they were quite the party givers. 80 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,240 No, all they said was there was a lot of people 81 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,080 coming in and out. 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,983 Hey, to me, two or more people is a party. 83 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,320 LUDs you wanted from the Murdochs' townhouse. 84 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,560 They received a three-minute call 85 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,320 just six minutes before the dog walker's 9-1-1 call. 86 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,381 "Telemarketing Solutions"? 87 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,840 I looked it up. It's here in the city. 88 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,320 Well, maybe we'll catch a break 89 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,680 and the caller overheard something. 90 00:03:55,130 --> 00:03:56,031 You guys remember every donut you eat? 91 00:03:56,131 --> 00:03:57,799 Joke. 92 00:03:57,899 --> 00:03:59,034 Funny. 93 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:02,318 Hey, man, your average call here 94 00:04:02,419 --> 00:04:03,450 lasts about 20 seconds. 95 00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:04,680 This one, three minutes. 96 00:04:04,890 --> 00:04:05,930 Don't tell us you don't remember. 97 00:04:06,030 --> 00:04:08,299 Here's one I bet you don't hear too often: 98 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:09,810 I do remember. 99 00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:11,950 Most people start off 100 00:04:12,010 --> 00:04:14,010 with a couple of negative comments about my mother. 101 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:15,470 Then they slam down the phone. 102 00:04:15,650 --> 00:04:16,710 But this lady was nice. 103 00:04:16,930 --> 00:04:17,770 She actually listened. 104 00:04:17,850 --> 00:04:18,810 Did she buy? 105 00:04:19,210 --> 00:04:20,050 We didn't get that far. 106 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:21,218 She had to go. 107 00:04:21,250 --> 00:04:23,485 Right, so, let me ask you a question. 108 00:04:23,586 --> 00:04:24,530 I get these calls 109 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:25,998 that usually start off with, uh 110 00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:28,730 "This call is being recorded for quality assurance." 111 00:04:29,130 --> 00:04:30,998 A tape? Sure. Piece of cake. 112 00:04:31,098 --> 00:04:32,800 What, no donut? 113 00:04:34,890 --> 00:04:36,330 ...but I have good credit. 114 00:04:37,170 --> 00:04:38,010 That sounds like a doorbell. 115 00:04:38,570 --> 00:04:39,670 And guess who's coming to dinner. 116 00:04:39,930 --> 00:04:40,770 And there's more. 117 00:04:40,930 --> 00:04:42,390 Consolidating debt's a good thing. 118 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:44,085 What would be the interest rate? 119 00:04:44,530 --> 00:04:46,065 Variable or fixed? 120 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:47,290 I've got to go. 121 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:49,650 That's no help. 122 00:04:49,730 --> 00:04:50,998 Mm, to the baffled multitude, maybe. 123 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:52,370 Ah, here we go. 124 00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:53,620 By dissipating ground hum 125 00:04:53,780 --> 00:04:54,920 and putting a gain on the lows 126 00:04:55,180 --> 00:04:56,820 I was able to enhance the far conversation 127 00:04:57,140 --> 00:04:58,580 when it didn't overlap with the near. 128 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,515 MAN We want to talk to you 129 00:05:00,615 --> 00:05:02,317 and Professor Murdoch about her protest of the Ellen Bar... 130 00:05:02,417 --> 00:05:05,060 "Ellen Bar..."? 131 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:06,840 Maybe Murdoch had a really big tab 132 00:05:07,020 --> 00:05:08,300 and the bartender got fed up. 133 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:10,060 No, probably just a fragment. 134 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:11,740 But to be thorough, I looked it up. 135 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:13,900 No listings for any bars of that name in the city. 136 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:14,980 But there's more. 137 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:16,140 I knew it. 138 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:17,800 For some reason, the far conversation 139 00:05:18,220 --> 00:05:19,460 got louder towards the end. 140 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:20,880 Probably because she got closer 141 00:05:21,060 --> 00:05:21,900 as she walked downstairs. 142 00:05:22,740 --> 00:05:24,220 I only know what I read about 143 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,689 in the Stuyvesant paper. 144 00:05:26,789 --> 00:05:29,659 Stuyvesant? That's where they taught. 145 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:32,500 Somebody doesn't have to hand in that term paper. 146 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:38,340 Hugh and Louise weren't just two of my best faculty members. 147 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:39,420 They were dear friends. 148 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:42,100 Were they any problems between them? 149 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,202 Oh, no. Ah, sure there was a rough period 150 00:05:44,302 --> 00:05:46,037 maybe five or six years ago. 151 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:48,440 Two workaholics, it's to be expected 152 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:50,568 but, uh, now they walked around campus 153 00:05:50,668 --> 00:05:51,628 holding hands. 154 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:53,998 What about problems with students? 155 00:05:54,510 --> 00:05:56,330 Louise wasn't even teaching this semester. 156 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:58,410 She took a sabbatical to write a book 157 00:05:58,470 --> 00:05:59,410 on the Holy Roman Empire. 158 00:05:59,510 --> 00:06:00,711 And the husband? 159 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:02,290 And one of our biggest stars. 160 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:04,650 Every year Harvard tries to poach him. 161 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:06,670 He doesn't-doesn't really teach that much 162 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:07,710 anymore so... 163 00:06:07,710 --> 00:06:09,078 If he wasn't teaching...? 164 00:06:09,178 --> 00:06:10,279 Uh, research. 165 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:11,730 He ran our biochemistry lab. 166 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:14,530 Hugh spent most of his time there. 167 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:17,570 You may want to talk to some of his post-grad researchers. 168 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:18,905 Dean Bodner. 169 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:21,150 We were on the verge. 170 00:06:21,250 --> 00:06:23,910 Parkinson's Disease. 171 00:06:23,910 --> 00:06:24,750 What, he had a cure? 172 00:06:24,750 --> 00:06:26,070 Methodology to look for one. 173 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:27,511 So, in other words 174 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:29,610 this was like whacking Jonas Salk. 175 00:06:30,550 --> 00:06:33,486 Dr. Salk didn't have a Phil Giani working for him. 176 00:06:33,586 --> 00:06:34,888 Meaning...? 177 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:38,270 Uh, I'm not saying he killed Dr. Murdoch 178 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:39,830 but if anyone here wanted him out of the picture 179 00:06:39,950 --> 00:06:40,910 it was definitely Phil. 180 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:43,052 Why? Phil was pro-Parkinson's? 181 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:45,970 He thought Dr. Murdoch should have given him credit 182 00:06:46,110 --> 00:06:47,510 for the research on his last paper. 183 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:48,950 And the professor disagreed. 184 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:50,150 It turned ugly. 185 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:51,608 Dr. Murdoch fired him. 186 00:06:51,708 --> 00:06:53,276 Where does this Giani work now? 187 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:54,480 That's the thing. 188 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,060 This is a very small community. 189 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Word gets out you had a run-in with someone 190 00:06:58,060 --> 00:06:59,295 of Dr. Murdoch's stature... 191 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,500 And you're out of the business. 192 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,236 Who says you can't go home again? 193 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,860 Hacking's how I paid my way through undergrad. 194 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,195 Tough break. 195 00:07:10,295 --> 00:07:11,280 Things'll change. 196 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,348 Why, because Dr. Murdoch ain't around anymore to bad-mouth you? 197 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,775 'Cause I'm too good a researcher. 198 00:07:15,875 --> 00:07:16,920 Oh, yeah? 199 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,724 So, uh, what's the best way to get uptown during rush hour? 200 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,200 What's pluripotent hES cell transference 201 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,320 or blastocystic trophectoderm removal 202 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,515 with regards to stem cell research? 203 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,580 I guess I missed that day on Sesame Street. 204 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,509 All this transference stuff was your idea? 205 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,600 What Murdoch stole from me wasn't ideas... 206 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,800 it was a methodology. 207 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Look who I'm talking to. 208 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,320 You know, since we have a lot to talk about 209 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,520 we might as well be comfortable. 210 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,580 I'll show you the best way to get downtown. 211 00:07:51,890 --> 00:07:54,190 I'd love to smack that little pompous schmuck. 212 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:55,692 Me first. 213 00:07:55,970 --> 00:07:57,890 I hear that a lot of money comes into the school 214 00:07:58,050 --> 00:07:59,510 because of Dr. Murdoch's research. 215 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:00,570 Ooh, subtle. 216 00:08:00,670 --> 00:08:03,273 You're good. 217 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:04,550 I'm about to crack. 218 00:08:04,970 --> 00:08:05,930 An ordinary guy would want 219 00:08:06,010 --> 00:08:06,850 a piece of that for himself. 220 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:08,690 I wouldn't know about an "ordinary" guy. 221 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:11,210 It doesn't bother you that you do all the work 222 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:12,690 and Dr. Murdoch gets the money? 223 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:15,950 You don't go into molecular biochemistry for money. 224 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:17,385 Well, what do you go into it for? 225 00:08:17,485 --> 00:08:18,445 The glory? 226 00:08:18,545 --> 00:08:21,250 That's right. 227 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:23,530 I want to march up front in the Macy's parade. 228 00:08:23,631 --> 00:08:25,432 Intellectual achievement. 229 00:08:27,730 --> 00:08:30,670 Though I'm sure that means absolutely nothing to you. 230 00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:32,625 Blastocystic removal? The wave of the future, right? 231 00:08:33,785 --> 00:08:35,187 Very good. 232 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:37,450 The primate can regurgitate what it heard. 233 00:08:38,210 --> 00:08:40,212 Next, let's move onto sentences. 234 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:44,090 Let me ask you something. 235 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:44,930 "Primate"? 236 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:45,790 It's like a... 237 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:48,270 monkey. 238 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:50,690 No. I want to ask your opinion 239 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:51,890 on Einstein's theory 240 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:53,730 because I'm not sure he was right. 241 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:57,290 "Cop Cracks Relativity." 242 00:08:57,790 --> 00:09:00,126 No, not that theory, Phil. 243 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:01,710 His theory on genius. 244 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:08,230 See-- and correct me if I'm wrong-- Einstein argued 245 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:10,230 that genius has no personality. 246 00:09:10,990 --> 00:09:11,830 But after talking to you 247 00:09:11,830 --> 00:09:12,870 for this short amount of time 248 00:09:13,070 --> 00:09:14,870 I realize that you actually prove the negative. 249 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:17,090 You definitely have personality. 250 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:22,070 And it makes this primate want to whup your ass. 251 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:27,341 Now, say something. 252 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:36,750 Way to go, Ed. 253 00:09:38,452 --> 00:09:40,554 Van Buren. 254 00:09:40,654 --> 00:09:41,822 Thanks. 255 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:43,890 Ballistics is ready for you. 256 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,698 Ballistics? My kind of scientists. 257 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,880 M.E. extracted three bullets from the female 258 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:51,720 two from the male. 259 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,520 125-grain hollow-points. 260 00:09:53,620 --> 00:09:54,580 So unfortunately... 261 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,380 I know. They tend to break into fragments. 262 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,120 They had to pick three of these 263 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,360 from the male's brain alone. 264 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,940 Reassembling was like a jigsaw puzzle. 265 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Did you get any kind of a match? 266 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,400 Well, striations indicated a clear 267 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,440 six-point correlation to the two slugs 268 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,440 from the male victim. 269 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,960 You couldn't confirm the other three? For good reason. 270 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,988 They're fired from a different nine-millimeter. 271 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,428 You're saying Mrs. Murdoch was killed 272 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,640 by a different weapon? 273 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,675 Two guns to fire only five bullets? 274 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,360 Well, either your guy's ambidextrous or... 275 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,740 Or there were two shooters. 276 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,340 This bastard's got a friend. 277 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,040 That guy? I highly doubt it. 278 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,180 Wouldn't you say revenge killings 279 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,095 are typically solo acts? 280 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,888 Murdoch's lab guy. 281 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,400 He said that he was doing stem cell research. 282 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,930 And they shoot abortion doctors, don't they? 283 00:10:42,930 --> 00:10:43,770 The phone tapes 284 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:44,890 they mentioned something about Stuyvesant. 285 00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:46,570 Maybe they meant the lab and not the college. 286 00:10:47,290 --> 00:10:48,490 Let's go see if Murdoch's lab 287 00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:49,890 is on anybody's hit list. 288 00:10:51,810 --> 00:10:53,750 A human cell is placed in an egg 289 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:55,451 who's own nucleus has been removed. 290 00:10:56,730 --> 00:10:57,970 And we put it in a Petri dish 291 00:10:58,490 --> 00:11:00,010 zap it with a jolt of electricity 292 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:02,830 and voilá... it's all reprogrammed 293 00:11:03,170 --> 00:11:06,130 into a clump of between one and 200 new cells. 294 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:08,910 And then we harvest the stem cells for our studies. 295 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,070 And with that you can cure Parkinson's? 296 00:11:11,170 --> 00:11:12,171 Parkinson's 297 00:11:12,570 --> 00:11:15,707 diabetes, Alzheimer's, who knows what else? 298 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:16,970 But somewhere along the line 299 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:18,570 what we do became a political hotbed. 300 00:11:19,010 --> 00:11:20,330 We did receive some nasty letters 301 00:11:20,650 --> 00:11:22,150 but the FBI checked them out. 302 00:11:22,570 --> 00:11:23,990 Maybe we ought to check them out, too. 303 00:11:28,690 --> 00:11:30,130 "We strongly caution you 304 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:33,080 "against this type of research, Dr. Murdoch. 305 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:35,450 "It is wrong in the eyes of God. 306 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:37,170 You will be judged." 307 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:38,790 Looks like judgment day 308 00:11:38,890 --> 00:11:40,959 came a little bit early for Professor Murdoch. 309 00:11:41,130 --> 00:11:42,220 I'm sorry to hear that. 310 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:44,820 Murder isn't just a sin, Mr. Scott 311 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:46,060 it's also a felony. 312 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:48,140 Look at the name on the wall, Detective. 313 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,374 "Protect Life." 314 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:51,620 We would never kill to prove a point. 315 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:52,980 Words are our only weapon. 316 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:54,340 Maybe somebody in your organization 317 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:55,460 thought they weren't enough. 318 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:56,460 Perhaps. 319 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:57,960 If Professor Murdoch's research 320 00:11:58,180 --> 00:11:59,120 violated our principles. 321 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:00,400 Which it clearly did 322 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:01,740 otherwise you wouldn't have sent that letter. 323 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:04,020 What we object to is the creation of life 324 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:05,940 for the soul purpose of destroying it. 325 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:10,177 Anyway, this letter was sent before. 326 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:11,020 Before what? 327 00:12:11,020 --> 00:12:12,660 Before we confirmed Dr. Murdoch 328 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:14,420 was using existing cell lines. 329 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:17,540 We had no problem with Murdoch or his research. 330 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:19,740 The only problem 331 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:20,700 with this guy's story 332 00:12:20,860 --> 00:12:22,480 is that that kid from Murdoch's lab 333 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:24,400 said that they were creating life in that dish. 334 00:12:24,580 --> 00:12:26,540 He didn't say life, he said new cells. 335 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:29,260 From what I hear, you kill more cells drinking a beer. 336 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:31,840 You can't tell me that when that cell hits the egg 337 00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:33,240 that isn't the start of life. 338 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:35,568 Okay, zygotes are people, too. 339 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:37,700 Well, they turn into people, don't they? 340 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:39,502 Look, the bottom line is Murdoch was either 341 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:41,390 lying to the public about his research 342 00:12:41,550 --> 00:12:43,190 or those Protect Lifers are lying to us. 343 00:12:43,310 --> 00:12:45,010 They're just squeaky wheels, not killers. 344 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:46,945 So if they did do it, odds are 345 00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:49,130 they made a couple of mistakes along they way. 346 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:51,630 All right, back to letter "A." 347 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:54,910 Okay, so, the doorbell rings 348 00:12:54,910 --> 00:12:56,912 Mrs. Murdoch goes to answer it. Why? 349 00:12:57,630 --> 00:12:59,150 Maybe she didn't know hubby was there. 350 00:12:59,350 --> 00:13:01,230 Or maybe she was the one expecting guests. 351 00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:02,457 Now what happens next? 352 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:04,650 All right, hubby goes to answer the door... 353 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:05,670 She's in the library... 354 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,510 The shooter walks him all the way 355 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:09,150 to his desk in the den. 356 00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:11,930 Now if your main goal was to kill him 357 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:14,659 wouldn't you kill him right away? 358 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:16,730 Not if I wanted to kill the wife. 359 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:21,070 I been a department secretary 360 00:13:21,070 --> 00:13:22,250 for the last five years. 361 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:24,890 Nobody ever had a cross word for Louise. 362 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:27,192 Louise? You called her Louise? 363 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:29,390 She'd yell at anyone that called her "professor." 364 00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:31,870 "Doctor"? Forget about it. 365 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:33,910 A woman of the people, huh? 366 00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:34,990 And here are 12 of them. 367 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:37,250 This looks like, uh, a guest list 368 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:39,540 for some kind of party the day after she was murdered. 369 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,600 A tea. 370 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:41,960 That's what she called them. 371 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,396 Although, tea was the last thing she served. 372 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,560 From what I hear. 373 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,420 I used to call it tea, too. 374 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,560 They were discussion groups, actually. 375 00:13:50,721 --> 00:13:51,561 With other professors? 376 00:13:51,561 --> 00:13:53,796 Professors, students 377 00:13:53,896 --> 00:13:55,264 civilians. 378 00:13:55,364 --> 00:13:56,632 Well what'd they talk about? 379 00:13:56,732 --> 00:13:57,867 Whatever. 380 00:13:59,135 --> 00:14:00,440 I'm sorry. 381 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,660 These are detectives, Jennifer. 382 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Jennifer... 383 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:03,788 Uh, you wouldn't be Jennifer Taylor? 384 00:14:03,888 --> 00:14:04,848 Yes. 385 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,340 I was just returning these books. 386 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,440 I was doing some research. 387 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,035 This was for her book? 388 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,560 I was checking footnotes and sources mostly. 389 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:16,029 I'm sorry. 390 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:21,320 Jennifer, your name's on the guest list for Dr. Murdoch's 391 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,480 next discussion group... 392 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,740 I went to a lot of them. 393 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,862 Was there a specific topic planned for that night? 394 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,960 We were going to discuss 395 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,320 gender apartheid; that was her thing lately-- 396 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,000 the abusive treatment of women 397 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,640 in certain Middle Eastern countries. 398 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:34,520 She'd been throwing 399 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,220 charity cocktail parties for years to raise funds 400 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,280 and awareness. 401 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,380 I bet that thrilled the local Muslim men. 402 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,283 Well, she was always receiving literature 403 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:45,870 pamphlets, really, quoting the Koran. 404 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:47,160 I can show you. 405 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:52,880 There's a shelter for abused women around the corner 406 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:54,640 and this lady's worried about suffrage 407 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:56,234 in some third world country? 408 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:57,420 Well it ain't just voting rights. 409 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:58,460 Listen to this. 410 00:14:58,460 --> 00:15:00,840 "Men are commanded to whip their disobedient wives. 411 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:04,060 Women are deficient in intelligence compared to men." 412 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,000 What's that from? 413 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,500 "The Center for 414 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:07,068 the Advancement of Wife Beaters"? 415 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:09,329 No, it's... wait. 416 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:13,970 "El Anbar Books." 417 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:15,638 As in "Ellen Bar." 418 00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:16,780 I don't have anything 419 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:18,140 to do with that trash. 420 00:15:18,420 --> 00:15:20,789 Your store was on the return address label, Mr. Mogazi. 421 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:22,520 It was not me. Talk to the kid. 422 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:23,580 What kid? 423 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,715 Ah, Mousah Salim. 424 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:26,380 I hired him to stack books 425 00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:29,940 then he started mailing that nonsense from my store. 426 00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:31,900 Well, if you didn't like it, why did you let him? 427 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:33,200 I didn't even know about it 428 00:15:33,260 --> 00:15:34,950 until this crazy woman comes here 429 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:36,890 with all her friends and her picket sign. 430 00:15:37,150 --> 00:15:38,618 Was this woman a college professor? 431 00:15:39,150 --> 00:15:40,885 Yes, yes, and all her crazy friends. 432 00:15:40,990 --> 00:15:42,210 Look not good for business. 433 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:45,130 So I fired the kid and now she leaves me alone. 434 00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:48,192 This Mousah Salim, does he have an address? 435 00:15:48,292 --> 00:15:49,260 Ah... 436 00:15:57,510 --> 00:15:58,990 I'm sorry, there must be some mix-up. 437 00:15:59,070 --> 00:16:00,490 We're looking for Mousah Salim. 438 00:16:01,310 --> 00:16:02,150 No mix-up. 439 00:16:02,390 --> 00:16:04,458 I'm his mother, Francine Landen. 440 00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:07,098 Uh, can we talk to him? 441 00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:08,790 Well, that would be difficult. 442 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:09,630 He's in Pakistan. 443 00:16:10,750 --> 00:16:13,185 Uh, can we talk to you? 444 00:16:13,285 --> 00:16:14,754 Sure. 445 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:18,830 Do you have kids? 446 00:16:18,830 --> 00:16:20,298 Yeah, in Florida. 447 00:16:20,630 --> 00:16:22,550 Hopefully smoking dope like normal teenagers. 448 00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:25,130 My little angel puts a towel on his head 449 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:26,930 and starts quoting the Koran at breakfast. 450 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:29,450 When I was 22, I read the Razor's Edge 451 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:31,010 and I didn't eat steak for two months. 452 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:33,558 Yeah, well, you got over it. 453 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,780 Some things with my Greg never change. 454 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,356 You know what we spent on private school? 455 00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:40,520 Straight C's. 456 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,500 Couldn't have gotten into a decent college if he wanted to 457 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,440 which he didn't. 458 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,140 He's been nothing but a disappointment. 459 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,200 Something wrong? 460 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:47,260 The police. 461 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,600 Looking for Greg. 462 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,120 You're in the wrong hemisphere. 463 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,080 I told them. 464 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,880 What, the Pakistanis 465 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,114 don't want him around, either? 466 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,456 Actually, we thought that he might've witnessed a murder. 467 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Greg, do something useful? 468 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,040 You've definitely got the wrong kid. 469 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:05,680 Well, all in all 470 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,300 I'd say that's a pretty good alibi. 471 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,640 Yeah, unless he got sick of falafel 472 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,340 and decided to come home ahead of schedule. 473 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,582 What, and forgot to tell his parents? 474 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,640 If she was my mom, I'd forget, too. 475 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,940 I got Customs looking into it. 476 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,040 So, you're thinking we've got another 477 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,608 John Walker Lindh on our hands? 478 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,542 Yeah, only this one actually may have pulled the trigger. 479 00:17:22,642 --> 00:17:24,177 Hey, somehow, some way 480 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:25,960 this kid is connected to the killers. 481 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,863 Well, maybe someone helped him with his conversion. 482 00:17:33,170 --> 00:17:34,510 Greg is highly intelligent 483 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:36,150 but had trouble fitting in. 484 00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:37,910 I'm sure you know the type. 485 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:39,885 Yeah, I read about them in the Columbine News. 486 00:17:40,890 --> 00:17:42,970 No, no, he wasn't like that. 487 00:17:42,970 --> 00:17:44,530 Sure, he got picked on every now and then 488 00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:47,150 but he certainly wasn't one for retaliation. 489 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:49,065 He just sat back and took it? 490 00:17:49,330 --> 00:17:50,970 Well, he did act out once. 491 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:53,050 He and another boy were caught on campus one night 492 00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:54,990 setting fire to a garbage can. 493 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:56,485 Who was this other kid? 494 00:17:56,890 --> 00:17:58,570 I can dig out the disciplinary report 495 00:17:58,930 --> 00:18:01,670 but I do remember he wasn't a student at Strickland. 496 00:18:04,370 --> 00:18:05,210 Michael's not here. 497 00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:06,170 I'm his sister. 498 00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:07,558 Where are your parents? 499 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:08,490 Who do you want to talk to? 500 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:10,772 My dead mother or my convict father? 501 00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:12,325 Is this your brother? 502 00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:14,260 Yep. 503 00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:15,970 The dog was right. 504 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:18,552 Look, whatever's going on with Michael 505 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:20,830 I'm the parents now, you can talk to me. 506 00:18:23,532 --> 00:18:24,492 Hey. 507 00:18:24,592 --> 00:18:25,860 Hey! 508 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:34,135 Here you go. 509 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,120 You know, if you were on your way down to the precinct 510 00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:37,380 we can give you a ride. 511 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:42,515 You know what this is, Michael? 512 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:44,060 It's a ballistics report 513 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:47,120 and it says that the gun that we found outside 514 00:18:47,340 --> 00:18:48,500 the Murdochs' townhouse 515 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:50,840 is the gun that killed Hugh Murdoch. 516 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:53,700 Now, this one, this is from our forensics lab. 517 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:55,068 Now, if your fingerprints are found on that gun... 518 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:58,640 ...it means that this isn't going to one of your better days, kid. 519 00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:59,840 I don't know what you mean. 520 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:02,200 Two people are dead, Michael. 521 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:03,869 You killed one of them. 522 00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:07,323 Now, we're guessing that your friend killed the other one. 523 00:19:07,423 --> 00:19:08,891 Which one? 524 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:12,640 That's what we want you to tell us. 525 00:19:12,741 --> 00:19:14,709 Time's up. 526 00:19:15,940 --> 00:19:16,920 Gina Sparrow, Esquire. 527 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:19,180 I've been retained by Mr. Sanchez's sister. 528 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:20,940 You should know better. 529 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:23,740 Questioning this kind of suspect without his lawyer present. 530 00:19:24,060 --> 00:19:25,320 We didn't know he had one. 531 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:29,217 And exactly what kind of suspect is he? 532 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:33,890 You want us to leave. 533 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:35,350 That would be nice. 534 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:49,385 So, is this guy as dumb as he seems? 535 00:19:49,910 --> 00:19:52,030 There's no way this kid is the brains behind all this. 536 00:19:52,190 --> 00:19:53,550 Did you reach the D.A.? 537 00:19:53,550 --> 00:19:55,219 Well, she's willing to play. 538 00:19:57,910 --> 00:19:58,750 Here we go. 539 00:20:01,710 --> 00:20:04,350 Now, speaking hypothetically, what if Michael 540 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:05,470 had a partner? 541 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:06,310 We'd be shocked. 542 00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:08,191 Would the D.A. work with us? 543 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:09,970 If Michael gives us 544 00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:12,070 a name, they'll give two counts of Man Two. 545 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:13,830 Running concurrently? 546 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:15,110 If he gives us a location. 547 00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:23,993 Michael's partner was a boy named Landen. 548 00:20:24,093 --> 00:20:25,030 Greg Landen. 549 00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:26,790 He was the one who shot Mrs. Murdoch. 550 00:20:27,570 --> 00:20:29,510 I guess he really did get sick of falafels. 551 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:17,110 Docket Number 26775. 552 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:18,378 People v. Greg Alan Landen. 553 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:22,650 My name is Mousah Salim. 554 00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:24,230 Derek Greer for the defense, Your Honor. 555 00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:25,420 Waive reading. 556 00:21:25,420 --> 00:21:27,020 Plead not guilty. No, I plead 557 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,400 nothing-- I'm not asking you for anything. 558 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:30,840 You have no authority over me. 559 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:31,860 Tell that to the gentleman 560 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,120 with the service revolver. 561 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,340 Question of bail? Remand, Your Honor. 562 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:36,880 This defendant is a flight risk. 563 00:21:37,140 --> 00:21:37,980 He murdered two people 564 00:21:38,060 --> 00:21:39,020 shortly after returning 565 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:40,340 from four months in Pakistan. 566 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,641 You lying Qabeha! 567 00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:45,620 Looks like he wasn't there to sightsee. 568 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:46,740 Well, listen to you. 569 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:49,180 You don't even try to hide your disdain 570 00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:50,020 for Islam. 571 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:52,000 My disdain isn't for Islam, pal. 572 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:54,820 Defendant is remanded to the Department of Corrections 573 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,940 Allah Akbar. without bail. 574 00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:57,780 Allah Akbar. 575 00:21:57,780 --> 00:21:58,820 I am a slave to Allah. 576 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,156 Allah Akbar. 577 00:22:01,256 --> 00:22:02,216 Allah Akbar. 578 00:22:02,316 --> 00:22:04,460 I am a slave to Allah. 579 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:05,520 I just got called a name 580 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:06,720 I don't even know what it means. 581 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:09,221 Oh, you're going to love this guy. 582 00:22:09,321 --> 00:22:10,756 That bad? 583 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:13,540 Greg Landen could make our new D.A. pack his bags 584 00:22:13,740 --> 00:22:14,800 and head back to Georgia. 585 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:16,740 I don't think Lilian would let him. 586 00:22:16,841 --> 00:22:18,342 Lilian? 587 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:19,968 Mrs. Arthur Branch. 588 00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:21,940 She loves the smell of concrete. 589 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,000 Always has 590 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,030 always will. 591 00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:26,430 I didn't know you were friendly with him. 592 00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:28,990 Bar Association dinners. 593 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:30,191 Nice fellow. 594 00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:33,012 And his politics? 595 00:22:33,112 --> 00:22:35,147 Nice fellow. 596 00:22:36,308 --> 00:22:37,742 Hello. 597 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:40,690 Sure. Tell him I'll be there 598 00:22:40,790 --> 00:22:41,630 in an hour. 599 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:45,885 Well, I'm going to meet your Mr. Landen. 600 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:47,790 Care to come along? 601 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:48,970 I've already had the pleasure. 602 00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:52,270 For reasons that should be obvious 603 00:22:52,670 --> 00:22:54,010 I'd like to make this one go away. 604 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:55,110 And for those same reasons 605 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:57,030 the best I can do is two counts of Man One 606 00:22:57,150 --> 00:22:58,310 sentences to run consecutively. 607 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:59,550 That's hardly a bargain. 608 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:01,670 This infidel doesn't speak for me. 609 00:23:01,770 --> 00:23:02,738 Quiet, Greg. 610 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:04,550 This prosecution is part 611 00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:06,130 of America's crusade against Islam. 612 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:08,310 I want a lawyer who sees that. 613 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:10,070 I want a Muslim lawyer. 614 00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:16,290 It's dilatory, Arthur. 615 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:18,030 If every time his lawyer does something 616 00:23:18,190 --> 00:23:20,010 he doesn't like, he fires him 617 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:22,020 we might not get to trial for a decade. 618 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,340 And he'll be off the street all that time. 619 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,080 The Sixth Amendment guarantees his right to counsel. 620 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Let him choose whoever he wants. 621 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,360 I think there's another issue we should consider. 622 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,040 What if Landen was indigent 623 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,920 and Greer was court-appointed counsel? 624 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,089 Could Landen then reject him on the basis of religion? 625 00:23:36,189 --> 00:23:37,149 Uh-oh. 626 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,980 I feel the old "bad precedent" speech 627 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,181 coming on. 628 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,640 Well, that would mean 629 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,620 that a skinhead could reject a Jewish attorney. 630 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,620 A rapist could reject a woman. 631 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,380 The Constitution requires only 632 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,500 that counsel be competent. 633 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,980 It doesn't say that he and his client 634 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,160 have to be best friends. 635 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:53,200 Thank you. 636 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Martha Stewart is the Queen 637 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,620 of Domestic Tranquility. 638 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,080 Right now, I'm not sure I'd want her near my kitchen. 639 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,680 No offense, but that analogy isn't 640 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:00,640 even in the right ballpark. 641 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,620 Why not? There's a lot more to competence 642 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,520 than a law degree and modicum of courtroom skill. 643 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,080 A defendant and his attorney 644 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,200 need to be able to communicate. 645 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,780 There should be at least a touch of trust between them. 646 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,980 You better watch out, Arthur 647 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,400 or they'll take back your invitation 648 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,560 to the strict constructionist's ball. 649 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,740 You see, that's where you don't understand me, Jack. 650 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,730 It's my job to put that son of gun behind bars. 651 00:24:22,370 --> 00:24:23,950 The last thing I want to do for him is 652 00:24:24,050 --> 00:24:26,230 gift-wrap grounds for reversible error. 653 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:29,478 Mr. Branch's office. 654 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:33,873 Jack, it's for you. 655 00:24:35,041 --> 00:24:36,001 McCoy. 656 00:24:36,101 --> 00:24:38,537 Yes. 657 00:24:38,637 --> 00:24:40,672 Sure. 658 00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:41,970 That was Anwar Mohammed. 659 00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:44,050 He's just been retained by Greg Landen. 660 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:45,250 He wants to meet me for coffee. 661 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:46,730 Oh, to be young and to have parents 662 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:50,473 with a bulging bankbook. 663 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:53,045 We already tried to cut a deal with Mr. Landen. 664 00:24:53,146 --> 00:24:54,147 I know. 665 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:55,210 Couldn't we work out something 666 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:56,370 with no prison time? 667 00:24:56,370 --> 00:24:57,571 A mental facility, perhaps? 668 00:24:57,671 --> 00:24:58,672 I'm sorry. 669 00:25:00,010 --> 00:25:01,450 You've known me a long time, Anwar. 670 00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:04,330 You know the political climate played no part 671 00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:05,330 in my decision. 672 00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:05,970 Maybe it should. 673 00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:07,310 The boy's one step from a terrorist. 674 00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:12,870 I'm sure things haven't been easy 675 00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:14,010 for you this past year. 676 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:16,370 It's been a terrible year 677 00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:18,270 but when people need you 678 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:19,810 somehow your ethnicity disappears. 679 00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:22,298 And those who don't need you? 680 00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:23,470 I don't need them. 681 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:26,270 Well, Jack, if it's any consolation 682 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:27,770 I'll do my best to keep Greg's rhetoric 683 00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:28,950 to a minimum in the courtroom. 684 00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:29,597 Have you met him yet? 685 00:25:29,597 --> 00:25:31,790 Yeah. 686 00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,570 And that's why he's getting nowhere near the stand. 687 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:36,690 Believe me, I don't want his religious beliefs in the courtroom 688 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:37,710 any more than you do. 689 00:25:37,710 --> 00:25:39,111 I'm representing 690 00:25:39,790 --> 00:25:41,370 Greg Landen because he needs my help. 691 00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:44,270 But please don't ever confuse his politics with my faith. 692 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,125 And why did you go with Mr. Landen 693 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:53,670 to the Murdochs' home? 694 00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:55,610 Greg told me the Murdochs had more money 695 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:56,590 than they needed. 696 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,950 He said if we took some, we could go away. 697 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:01,172 Where would you go, Mr. Sanchez? 698 00:26:02,333 --> 00:26:03,270 The mountains. 699 00:26:03,270 --> 00:26:05,210 Greg said we could do some fishing and some hunting. 700 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:06,890 It sounded like fun. 701 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:10,730 What happened when you got inside 702 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:12,452 the Murdochs' townhouse, Mr. Sanchez? 703 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:15,190 The man took us into this room 704 00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:17,500 and then Greg told me to shoot him. 705 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:19,620 And you did? 706 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:20,320 Yeah. 707 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,260 There was a lot of blood. 708 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,080 What happened next, Mr. Sanchez? 709 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,100 A woman came in, and she started screaming. 710 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760 And she tried to run away, but Greg shot her. 711 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,940 Then I got scared, so I ran. 712 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,360 You didn't steal anything? 713 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:39,200 No. 714 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,040 I guess we forgot. 715 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Only one murder weapon was found. 716 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,736 Do you know whose fingerprints were on it? 717 00:26:50,836 --> 00:26:52,320 Yours. 718 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Only one person was seen running from the Murdochs' house. 719 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:56,374 Do you know who it was? 720 00:26:56,474 --> 00:26:57,434 You. 721 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,160 Greg was there, too. 722 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,440 But nobody saw him. 723 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,000 How do you explain that? 724 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,240 I don't know, but he was there. 725 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,900 He shot the lady, and then ran the other way. 726 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,120 It was all his idea. 727 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:11,200 I guess it's a good thing 728 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,620 you made a deal with the District Attorney 729 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,780 or we wouldn't even have your word for it. 730 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:22,810 This isn't what I told you to do. 731 00:27:23,450 --> 00:27:24,290 You tell them 732 00:27:24,290 --> 00:27:25,130 about the U.S. aggression. 733 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:26,330 Not now, Greg. 734 00:27:27,290 --> 00:27:29,390 You tell them about the U.S. government's 735 00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:30,610 crusade against Islam. 736 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:32,890 Sit down. They're trying to wipe us out. 737 00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:33,730 Your Honor... 738 00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:35,370 3,000 killed on September 11. 739 00:27:35,370 --> 00:27:36,210 Quiet down, Mr. Landen. 740 00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:37,850 And 20,000 killed in Afghanistan. 741 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:40,290 Your taxes pay for the bombs 742 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:41,570 that kill Afghani children. 743 00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:43,145 You're out of order, Mr. Landen. 744 00:27:43,245 --> 00:27:44,610 You're the terrorists. 745 00:27:44,610 --> 00:27:45,450 They want me to shut up. 746 00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:46,130 That's why they're trying 747 00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:47,010 to put me in prison. 748 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:48,645 Only they can't send me to Cuba like the others. 749 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:51,150 They can't treat an American like a caged animal. 750 00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:52,730 Remove the defendant from the courtroom. 751 00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:54,430 I'll see counsel in chambers. 752 00:27:54,530 --> 00:27:55,490 Oh, so you can talk behind my back? 753 00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:57,310 This trial is a sham! 754 00:28:00,810 --> 00:28:01,810 Give him a Valium. 755 00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:03,064 What do I care? 756 00:28:03,130 --> 00:28:04,750 I'm afraid it won't be that simple, Your Honor. 757 00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:07,270 It appears the only way to maintain any semblance 758 00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:08,950 of decorum is to remove the defendant 759 00:28:09,170 --> 00:28:10,010 from the courtroom. 760 00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:12,530 Is that an on-the- record motion, Mr. McCoy? 761 00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:13,598 Yes, Your Honor, it is. 762 00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:15,782 Well, the last time I read the Constitution 763 00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:18,040 all criminal defendants have an absolute right 764 00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:19,140 to confront their accusers. 765 00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:21,320 Not only the well-behaved ones. 766 00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:23,220 The state will provide a television hookup 767 00:28:23,380 --> 00:28:25,060 so he won't miss a word of the proceedings. 768 00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:26,220 I'm sure you'd like 769 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:27,860 to add your two cents, Mr. Mohammed. 770 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:28,700 Actually, Your Honor, I'm not going 771 00:28:28,794 --> 00:28:31,060 to oppose Mr. McCoy's motion. 772 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:33,196 What happened to representing your client zealously? 773 00:28:34,660 --> 00:28:35,860 I feel it would best serve his defense 774 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:37,760 if he weren't permitted to disrupt the proceedings. 775 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,000 Please bring the defendant into my chambers. 776 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:46,500 We should least get his opinion on the matter. 777 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:48,900 You know, there is a way 778 00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:49,920 to put an end to all this. 779 00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:51,800 My client won't accept a deal, Your Honor. 780 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:56,620 Let me explain what's going on, Mr. Landen. 781 00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:58,420 Mr. McCoy would like me to keep you 782 00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:59,280 out of the courtroom. 783 00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:00,820 To be equitable 784 00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,780 I'd be willing to give you another chance. 785 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:04,868 Do you think you can contain yourself? 786 00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:06,228 Yeah, if he would do his job. 787 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:08,720 From where I'm sitting on the bench 788 00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:10,095 Mr. Mohammed is doing an excellent job. 789 00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:13,870 No. His job is to do what I tell him to do. 790 00:29:13,870 --> 00:29:15,170 I want him to use my real name 791 00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:17,670 and I'd have him tell the jury about how 792 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:19,930 the American government's framing me because I'm Muslim. 793 00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:20,990 There's no attorney 794 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:22,330 in the country that would argue that. 795 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:23,390 You know what? Fine. 796 00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:26,426 Fine. 797 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:28,130 Then I'll represent myself. 798 00:29:34,030 --> 00:29:35,770 That kid is an idiot savant. 799 00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:36,950 Or just an idiot. 800 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:38,210 Don't fool yourself. 801 00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,930 He just out-lawyered our office's own counsel 802 00:29:41,150 --> 00:29:42,150 and the judicial branch. 803 00:29:42,390 --> 00:29:44,070 For us to win a motion denying his request 804 00:29:44,270 --> 00:29:46,910 for self-representation, the court would have to find him 805 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:48,430 unfit to represent himself. 806 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:51,510 Well, he is 19 and without any legal training. 807 00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:52,350 To quote the Bard: 808 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:54,750 Ignorance often turns out to be the best defense. 809 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:57,070 If he's found unfit to represent himself 810 00:29:57,390 --> 00:29:59,370 he could also be found legally incompetent 811 00:29:59,670 --> 00:30:00,790 to stand trial at all. 812 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:03,852 The proverbial corner, Ms. Southerlyn. 813 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:05,910 That's what our friend has painted us into. 814 00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:06,870 So what you're saying is 815 00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:08,230 we're not going to oppose his motion? 816 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:09,070 Look at the bright side-- 817 00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:11,640 the judge ordered Mohammed to stay on as stand-by counsel. 818 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,940 Which could be a good thing or a bad thing. 819 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,620 Just to be safe, let's have one of our shrinks 820 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,640 in the courtroom. 821 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,760 Welcome to the corner, Serena. 822 00:30:24,194 --> 00:30:26,196 MAN We want to talk to you 823 00:30:26,296 --> 00:30:28,699 and Professor Murdoch about her protest 824 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,067 of the El Anbar bookstore. 825 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,290 I only know what I read about it in the Stuyvesant paper. 826 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,968 I ran this through a Kaylemetrics 827 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:38,028 5500 spectrograph. 828 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,780 By comparing pitch 829 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,960 trajectory of vowel formants and nasal resonance 830 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,500 I was able to locate two distinct voices. 831 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,560 And were you able to identify those voices? 832 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Well, the second voice, I can't identify. 833 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280 I can only assume it belongs to Hugh Murdoch. 834 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,680 And the other voice? 835 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,681 Uh, it's the defendant's. 836 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,020 Are you sure? Yes. 837 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,280 Uh, it was a perfect match, with voice samples 838 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,200 taken from the defendant, post arrest. 839 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:01,240 What does that indicate? 840 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,975 Well, that Mr. Landen was in the Murdoch's house 841 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,480 within minutes of the shootings. 842 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,381 Thank you. 843 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,740 This machine that you said you used-- 844 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:11,780 it's owned by the U.S. government, right? 845 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,448 Uh, City of New York, actually. 846 00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:15,575 And if you wanted to, you could fake a recording? 847 00:31:15,676 --> 00:31:16,843 Uh... 848 00:31:18,779 --> 00:31:20,781 Well, I suppose I could 849 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,688 but, uh... Are you Jewish? 850 00:31:22,788 --> 00:31:24,457 Objection. 851 00:31:24,557 --> 00:31:25,517 Overruled. 852 00:31:25,617 --> 00:31:26,618 Your Honor... 853 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,336 Arguably, it goes to bias. 854 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,160 As a Jew, isn't it your mission in life 855 00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:34,060 Objection! to destroy the lives Muslims? 856 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:34,900 You hate Muslims, don't you? 857 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:37,322 Sidebar, Your Honor. 858 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,300 Your Honor, these questions are bigoted and have no relevance. 859 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:43,880 I'm inclined to agree, Your Honor. 860 00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:46,540 However, Mr. Landen does have a right to his opinion. 861 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:47,680 He's got a point, Mr. McCoy. 862 00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:50,440 Pro se defendants are permitted extra latitude. 863 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,260 I show you People's Five, and ask if you recognize it. 864 00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:04,160 I understand this is difficult 865 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,015 but you are under oath, Mr. Landen. 866 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:07,707 Yes, it's my gun. 867 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:10,912 And is it the only gun that you own? 868 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:13,310 No, I have another nine-millimeter 869 00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:14,150 a SIG Sauer. 870 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:18,670 Where is that gun now? 871 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:19,730 I don't know. It's... 872 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:20,998 missing. 873 00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:26,473 Who do you think took it? 874 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:31,550 Seek to treat the witness as hostile. 875 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:32,651 Go ahead. 876 00:32:33,670 --> 00:32:35,839 You think your son took your guns, don't you? 877 00:32:37,030 --> 00:32:37,870 I couldn't say. 878 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:40,230 Well, how about this? 879 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:43,867 Where do you keep the weapons in question? 880 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:45,710 In my study, in the bottom drawer. 881 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:48,032 Which is locked? 882 00:32:48,132 --> 00:32:51,268 Mr. Landen? 883 00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:55,610 No. It wasn't locked. 884 00:33:03,670 --> 00:33:05,739 Did you ever cheat on your wife? 885 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:07,000 Objection. Relevance. 886 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,302 How can the jury believe a word he says? 887 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,360 He's an adulterer. 888 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,960 Marital infidelity doesn't bear 889 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,981 on witness credibility, Mr. Landen. 890 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,240 Ask a different question. 891 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,280 Why didn't you have any more children? 892 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,120 Your Honor... 893 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120 Because you didn't even want 894 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,908 to have me, did you? 895 00:33:22,008 --> 00:33:22,968 Objection. 896 00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:25,303 Sustained. 897 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,120 You're embarrassed by me! 898 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,680 That's why you're trying to put me away. 899 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,400 You want me in jail 900 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,000 so that you never have to see me again. 901 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,160 That's not true. I love you. 902 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,095 How does it feel to sell out your own son? 903 00:33:45,195 --> 00:33:47,063 Hmm? 904 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,880 America's been trying to destroy Islam for years. 905 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,515 It sides with the Jews against the Palestinians 906 00:34:04,570 --> 00:34:06,630 because America is a Judeo-Christian country. 907 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:11,250 Since 1990, it has occupied our holy lands in Saudi Arabia. 908 00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:14,310 American women walk around with their faces uncovered 909 00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:15,550 in our holiest city. 910 00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:19,210 America doesn't respect any culture but its own. 911 00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:21,930 Your Honor, is any of this relevant? 912 00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:23,030 Let him talk, Mr. McCoy. 913 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:24,290 It's his right. 914 00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:31,450 You think that your way is the only way 915 00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:34,290 and feel that you have the right to invade anyone who disagrees-- 916 00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:36,798 Bosnia, Somalia, Iraq. 917 00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:39,050 You try to assimilate the world. 918 00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:40,150 America is a country 919 00:34:40,410 --> 00:34:43,250 that was born out of the mass murder of Native Americans 920 00:34:43,770 --> 00:34:45,470 and built on the backs of Africans. 921 00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:48,510 If the Native Americans could've defended themselves 922 00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:51,906 by flying planes into buildings, don't you think they would've? 923 00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:54,390 If the slaves could've freed themselves by becoming martyrs 924 00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:56,945 don't you think that they would've? 925 00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:58,110 And it wouldn't have been terrorism... 926 00:34:59,450 --> 00:35:00,500 it would've been self-defense. 927 00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:08,180 So killing a woman who challenges your view of Islam 928 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:09,327 is self-defense? 929 00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:11,080 I didn't kill her, Michael Sanchez did. 930 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:13,168 How did he get your father's gun? 931 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:14,220 I don't know. 932 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:15,340 Why would Michael Sanchez 933 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,420 target an advocate for Muslim women? 934 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:20,080 It was a robbery; you heard him say that. 935 00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:21,560 But you're not sad she's dead. 936 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:22,995 She didn't know her place. 937 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,703 Quran 4:34 says Allah made men superior to women. 938 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:28,620 Under your perversion of the religion. 939 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:30,108 See, this is what I'm talking about. 940 00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:32,700 Any religion that Americans don't understand 941 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,140 they call perverted. 942 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:35,460 If we could get back to the homicides 943 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,820 Mr. McCoy. 944 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:38,580 Yeah, go ahead, Mr. McCoy, go ahead. 945 00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:39,420 Listen to the lady. 946 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:40,980 Excuse me? No, I won't. 947 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,360 I will not allow a female to judge me. 948 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:44,520 That's enough for today. 949 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:47,289 We'll pick it up tomorrow, 9:30. 950 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:57,100 From what I saw 951 00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:59,220 he's nowhere near legally insane. 952 00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:02,290 Just your garden variety fanatic fundamentalist. 953 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:04,530 If this had been about politics 954 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:06,690 he probably would've become an anarchist. 955 00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:08,150 If it was about music 956 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:10,810 he could've gotten into grunge and heavy metal. 957 00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:12,190 He picked religion 958 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:15,030 specifically Islam, for a specific reason. 959 00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:16,531 Adolescent rebellion. 960 00:36:17,070 --> 00:36:18,630 No, he could've bought a motorcycle 961 00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:19,650 or pierced his tongue. 962 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:22,030 People who become fundamentalists do so because 963 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:24,810 there's a part of the dogma that resonates with them. 964 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:26,430 There's something in their psyche 965 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:27,430 that draws them 966 00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:28,730 to a distorted interpretation 967 00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:30,710 of an otherwise legitimate religion. 968 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:32,870 There's a sect for every nut. 969 00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:34,350 Exactly. 970 00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:36,210 But what is it about militant Islam 971 00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:37,450 that Landen finds 972 00:36:37,551 --> 00:36:39,352 so appealing? 973 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,470 Sanchez shot Hugh Murdoch. 974 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:47,540 Landen shot his wife. 975 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:50,770 "Allah made men superior to women." 976 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:51,830 My guess 977 00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:54,150 is he is terrified of women. 978 00:36:54,590 --> 00:36:56,310 Militant Islam eases that anxiety 979 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:57,690 by making women subordinate. 980 00:36:58,430 --> 00:37:02,234 Landen became a slave of Allah because he couldn't get a date? 981 00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:03,770 I'm not saying 982 00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:05,250 it's as simple as that, Jack. 983 00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:07,810 But I did see how he reacted to Judge Borke 984 00:37:07,810 --> 00:37:10,190 and I saw how his mother reacted to him. 985 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:13,290 So Mommy made him do it? 986 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:14,130 She walked out on him. 987 00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:16,990 Castration hurts whether it's surgical or emotional. 988 00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:20,170 He can't confront his mother directly. 989 00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:23,670 I think he's scared to death of women, period. 990 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:28,650 And what would happen if a woman challenged him, literally? 991 00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:31,130 You're talking about Louise Murdoch? 992 00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:32,130 I'm talking about Serena. 993 00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:38,570 Your Honor, with the court's permission 994 00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:41,013 Ms. Southerlyn will continue with the cross examination. 995 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:43,350 That's fine with me. 996 00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:55,570 How are you feeling today, Greg? 997 00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:57,230 I can get you a glass of water, if you like. 998 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:58,431 I'm fine. 999 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:00,520 I'm sorry, that's right, I wouldn't want to be party 1000 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:03,600 to you violating any of your vows of self-sacrifice. 1001 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,280 Religion is not meant to be easy. 1002 00:38:06,580 --> 00:38:09,180 Like during Ramadan when a man is drawn closer to God 1003 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,100 by disregarding his earthly needs. 1004 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,100 And what's the other one, Shuha...? 1005 00:38:13,128 --> 00:38:15,497 Shuhada. Right. 1006 00:38:15,597 --> 00:38:16,557 That's it. 1007 00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:19,500 The prayer before you give your life for God. 1008 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:22,700 It's an honor to die for Allah. 1009 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:24,975 And Allah wanted Louise Murdoch dead? 1010 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:27,160 She defied his will. 1011 00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:30,460 So, whoever actually pulled the trigger 1012 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:32,100 would be the true slave to Allah 1013 00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:34,540 and should be honored to accept the consequences 1014 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,170 of that act, is that correct? 1015 00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:42,760 Yet you keep denying it. 1016 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:47,180 Is that because you're scared 1017 00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:49,300 to accept those consequences? 1018 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,300 Scared of the Shuhada? 1019 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:52,540 You are just like Murdoch. 1020 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:55,730 You're both enemies to Islam. 1021 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:58,530 She poisons women against men. 1022 00:38:58,750 --> 00:39:00,790 She has killed her unborn child 1023 00:39:01,070 --> 00:39:02,430 and serves liquor in her home. 1024 00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:08,430 So you shot her in the back. 1025 00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:22,770 You don't have to say that, you know. 1026 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:24,230 No, you were great, Serena. 1027 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:25,290 You cracked him like a walnut. 1028 00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:27,370 He didn't actually crack. 1029 00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:28,930 Don't be so sure of that. 1030 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:30,952 Landen said in court that Louise Murdoch 1031 00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:33,210 had killed her unborn child. 1032 00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:35,530 I thought that was just part of his rant. 1033 00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:36,610 What if Louise Murdoch 1034 00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:38,665 did have an abortion? 1035 00:39:38,765 --> 00:39:39,800 How would he know? 1036 00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:42,130 And how would he know about her open-door policy 1037 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:43,990 or the fact that she threw parties 1038 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:45,158 where alcohol was served? 1039 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:47,706 How could he possibly know about any of that? 1040 00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:48,630 He knew her. 1041 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,240 Anyone that ges into Louise's offie 1042 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,400 has to get by me first. 1043 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,689 And you never saw her with Greg Landen? 1044 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,040 I've been following the trial. 1045 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,729 Believe me, if I recognized the S.O.B. 1046 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,980 I would've called you guys. 1047 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,720 Maybe one of her students... 1048 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,440 She wasn't teaching this semester. 1049 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,000 But she did have some students helping her research the book. 1050 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,623 Anyone who went to Strickland Academy? 1051 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,160 You should've come forward, Jennifer. 1052 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,080 I didn't know it had anything to do with me. 1053 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,240 Denial's a wonderful thing, isn't it? 1054 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,220 Murdoch was your friend. 1055 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,320 And that's why... 1056 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,060 I prayed it had nothing to do with me. 1057 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,535 Well, why don't you tell me what you do know. 1058 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,340 Greg and I were friends. 1059 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,840 But that was way before 1060 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,280 he got into the whole Muslim thing. 1061 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,644 Did you tell him about Louise Murdoch? 1062 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:52,200 Maybe there was a little hero worship going on. 1063 00:40:53,570 --> 00:40:55,390 She got me excited about women's rights. 1064 00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,290 She opened my eyes to what was going on 1065 00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:58,410 in some Muslim countries. 1066 00:40:58,810 --> 00:40:59,930 And you opened Greg's eyes. 1067 00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:01,932 I guess. 1068 00:41:03,730 --> 00:41:05,710 Once I even dragged Greg to dinner with her. 1069 00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:09,866 Are you saying that you two were involved? 1070 00:41:09,966 --> 00:41:12,450 Sure... 1071 00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:13,970 I guess. If you could even call it that. 1072 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:21,222 What exactly does that mean? 1073 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:23,570 We've already been through this. 1074 00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:25,230 I'm not accepting any of your deals. 1075 00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:27,970 You're not here as a defendant, Mr. Landen. 1076 00:41:27,970 --> 00:41:30,410 I asked you here in your capacity as your own counsel. 1077 00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:31,930 We want to call a witness 1078 00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:33,930 that wasn't on our initial witness list. 1079 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:35,570 Call whoever you want. 1080 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:37,250 I don't care. 1081 00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:44,527 I appreciate your amenability, Mr. Landen. 1082 00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:46,432 Legally, you're entitled to question her 1083 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:47,990 before she takes the stand. 1084 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:53,201 We both know that's going to be a waste of time. 1085 00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:57,208 This is our additional witness, Mr. Landen. 1086 00:41:57,308 --> 00:42:02,213 Jennifer Taylor. 1087 00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:03,440 I think you know each other. 1088 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,420 How could you, Greg? 1089 00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:24,324 Did you do this because of me? 1090 00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:26,620 Think about it, Greg. 1091 00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:29,900 Think about what Jennifer will say on the stand... 1092 00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,560 in front of your friends, the press... 1093 00:42:35,661 --> 00:42:38,297 your mother... 1094 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,240 the whole world... 1095 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,642 Shut up! 1096 00:42:41,742 --> 00:42:42,843 Shut up! 1097 00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:45,120 You shut up! 'Cause I am a man! 1098 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,840 I am a man, no matter what she says about me. 1099 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:57,242 Okay? 1100 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,080 You laughed at me. 1101 00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:14,150 You laughed. 1102 00:43:19,188 --> 00:43:22,792 You shouldn't have laughed. 1103 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,654 Well, at least at his allocution 1104 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,537 Landen apologized to the entire Muslim community. 1105 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,320 Olivet was right, he wasn't a true believer. 1106 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,360 He was just a humiliated adolescent. 1107 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,780 All in all, I'd say we're damn lucky 1108 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,470 this was just one screwball kid. 1109 00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:51,993 An angry kid full of rage, just looking for a target. 1110 00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:55,330 Isn't that what a terrorist is? 1111 00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:57,830 What's scary is how easy it is to create one. 1112 00:44:14,847 --> 00:44:19,585 Captioning sponsored by UNIVERSAL NETWORK TELEVISION 1113 00:44:27,726 --> 00:44:31,697 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 79523

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