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In the criminal justice system
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the people are represented
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by two separate
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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I'm looking at numbers,
Lieutenant Van Buren.
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Grand theft auto
down 14%.
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Burglaries down 11%.
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You shut down a number
of quality-of-life conditions
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in your precinct.
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That's some excellent work.
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Thank you.
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Then I look at
your clearance
rate for homicides
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and a whole different
picture emerges.
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22% percent below
the borough average.
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Van Buren:
Well, we've had
some tough ones
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the last couple of months.
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Come on, Lieutenant.
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Talk to your Chief.
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What's the problem here?
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There's no problem, Chief.
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We just have to try harder.
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Unfortunately, that's not
an adequate response.
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Well, I don't know
what other response
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to give you, sir.
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Something along the lines
of a guarantee
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is what
we're looking for.
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If it means culling
the cold case files
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you get that clearance rate up,
or we'll make a guarantee:
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we'll guarantee
you lose your command.
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We can always find
a place to transfer you
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where the pressure
wouldn't be as great.
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Get the picture?
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Yes, Chief.
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Here's one from 1992.
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Suspect dropped dead
from a heart attack
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and the family of the victim
moved back to Kurdistan.
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Why don't you put in
for travel vouchers?
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See if they'll let us
clear that one.
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This one's from '88.
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Homeless male Caucasian
beaten to death
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in a steam tunnel
underneath Grand Central.
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We ought to be able
to home in on that
perp, no problem.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's one from '81
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that Tommy
Brannigan worked.
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Hmm... your old boss.
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Yeah.
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Marybeth Mosley
was 16 years old.
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Beaten to death with a ratchet
on West 92nd Street.
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Only suspect was a plumber
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whose wife
provided alibi.
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Maybe 19 years later,
she changes her story?
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Hey, why don't you call your pal
at The Daily News?
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They run a story about how
the case is still unsolved.
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Maybe somebody pops
out of the woodwork.
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Brannigan still with us?
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Yeah. He's retired.
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He lives out on the Island.
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Want to take a ride?
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The Mosley case, huh?
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You guys must really
be looking for something to do.
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Our boss needs to get
her clearance rate up.
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So you go to a
20-year-old case?
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We were hoping
the guy you liked
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might have
a weak alibi.
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This would be
the plumber?
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Uh-huh. Fred Jenks.
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The wife swore
she was with him?
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Yeah. He was working
on the house.
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Had a record.
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We sweated him
as much as we could
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but we didn't get anywhere.
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Tommy, is there anything
you can think of
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that might help us out?
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If the wife's looking
to give him up
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that's one thing.
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If she's not...
I don't know what to tell you.
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Mosley, Marybeth.
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Initial here.
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Any loss or damage
to the property
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is the sole responsibility
of the signing officer.
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Sign over here.
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Where's the
deceased's clothing?
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What you see is
what we got.
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What about the
murder weapon?
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"19-inch drive ratchet."
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Maybe the DA held on to it,
or the vouchering officer.
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Could be
it was misplaced in the move
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from the old
property room.
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Well before my time.
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What's the sign-out
sheet say?
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It's not attached.
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How can that be?
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20-year-old case,
Detective.
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Give me a break.
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Originally, they liked
the plumber, Jenks.
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He had access to the girl,
and he had a record.
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And an alibi.
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Yeah. His wife.
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Hmm.
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Freddy and I split.
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It's three years
this past Columbus Day.
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You told the detectives
investigating your husband
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that he was with you the day
the Mosley girl got killed?
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I got a job by Roosevelt Avenue
and Main Street
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going out to Bayside.
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Who's over there?
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Do you remember
telling them
he was with you?
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Yeah. I remember saying
he was with me.
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We were buying
that green velvet recliner
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I got in my basement.
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Car 2-1-4,
are you going to tell me
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you're not by Roosevelt Avenue?
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Ma'am, can you tell us
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where we can find
your ex-husband?
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He's working in Chelsea.
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I shouldn't even be talking
to you without my lawyer.
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Hey, it's your call.
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We can always come back.
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Just a couple loose ends.
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Oh, loose ends.
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You guys never go way,
do you? Here.
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Look, the theory of
the case back then
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was that she was
killed by somebody
who knew her.
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Which is why they
focused on you and
your yellow sheet.
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Focused?
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Friggin' cops practically
rented a space in my keister.
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Hey, you were working
in the Mosley house
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at the time
of the murder.
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I was working
in the Mosley house
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on the day of the murder.
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At the time of the murder
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I was with my wife buying
a recliner.
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Wives can be pretty
loyal, even ex-wives.
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You want someone else?
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Johnny Estrada helped me
move the recliner
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because my ex-wife...
was too delicate.
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Go and ask him.
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Since the stroke,
some things I know.
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My eldest went to Syracuse
to college
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but I can't remember
where he lives now.
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Ramon esta
in Albany, Juanito.
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Oh. Si. Gracias, Soledad.
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He knows.
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He just can't remember.
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Señor Estrada, you told
the police that you were
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with Mr. Jenks around 7:00
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the night the girl
was murdered?
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Whatever I said,
it was the truth.
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Well, maybe just
to help a friend
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you shaved
a few minutes, huh?
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No, sir.
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Fred Jenks is not a murderer,
and I am not a liar.
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A man does not go out
to buy an easy chair
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after he's murdered
a young girl.
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You worked in the Mosley
apartment at the same time
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as Jenks?
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Yes. I was a painter.
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I know it was a long time ago,
but is there anything
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you remember from being
in the house
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that can help us?
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I remember a lot of boys
being in there
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and the young girl,
she was very beautiful.
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19 years...
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Sometimes I wake up,
I think it's all a dream.
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I know.
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I'm sorry we have to bring
the whole thing back.
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Hmm.
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Uh, Marybeth came home
from school.
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St. Julian's on Columbus Avenue.
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She had a riding lesson.
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The stables on 97th?
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Mm-hmm.
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She went up to change.
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Oh.
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Then she comes down those stairs
two at a time...
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in her riding clothes.
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Always in a rush, that one.
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I told her to sit down;
I'd make her a sandwich.
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She was so skinny.
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If I hadn't made her eat
that sandwich
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maybe... he wouldn't
have seen her.
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Did your daughter date, ma'am?
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Between school, riding,
the piano
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she didn't really have the time.
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Was there anyone who was
interested in her?
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Quite a few.
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Marybeth Mosley...
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We called her "M&M":
"Melts in your mouth."
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Hey, it was the '80s.
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"Blame It On The Boogie."
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What was your
relationship
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with Miss Mosley,
Counselor?
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Strictly platonic.
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That was one
I didn't get a chance
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to put in the trophy case.
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Oh, I can see her death
still weighs on you.
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Am I showing
an insufficient amount
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of reverence for the dead?
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Forgive me.
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Anyway, like I say,
I just admired her from afar.
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Well, can you think of anyone
who might have admired her
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a little closer up?
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The only one I can remember
her going out with
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is Michael Sarno.
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Although I
don't think
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she gave it up
for him, either.
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Any relation to the Sarnos?
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Yeah. The Ambassador's son,
the Senator's nephew.
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You're saying that Sarno
went out with the Mosley girl?
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Yeah, for a while,
but from what I remember
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Sarno was too much
of a wild man for her.
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Or maybe she was just too much
of a good girl for him.
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Either way, they were broken up
by the time she was killed
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because I remember,
he didn't come to the funeral.
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Now, if you'll excuse me.
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I've got
a 10:00 in court.
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Ooh. This is like looking
into a muddy lake
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and trying to
see the bottom
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and I have to say,
your friend Brannigan
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he wasn't
a whole lot of help.
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All right. So we'll talk
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to some of the
other cops who
worked the case.
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Most of them are retired
or dead.
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You know, I saw Charlie Curran's
name on the file.
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I know he's still with us.
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I had just gotten bumped up
to the squad.
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Me and a bunch
of other detectives
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were assigned to a task force
to work the case.
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And you liked
the plumber, right?
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Personally, I had doubts.
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I mean, we looked at him.
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We had this guy's phones up.
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We talked to everybody
this guy ever knew-- nothing.
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I wanted to concentrate more
on some of the college boys
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that were hanging
around her.
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There was this
one kid-- Sarno.
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Rich kid. Nasty
drunk. Tea head.
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Thanks.
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My call? We would've
sweated him good.
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Whose call was it?
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Tommy Brannigan.
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He was the lead detective.
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He was Homicide
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as opposed to a slob like me
from the precinct.
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He wasn't keen on
going after anyone but Jenks.
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I opened my mouth
one too many times...
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"Back in the bag you go,
Charlie."
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Brannigan was the
one who busted you?
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No.
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Tommy's good people.
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As it turns out,
he talked to the Sarno kid.
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And?
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And I wish I had known
that fact.
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I went over his head
to a captain.
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A week later,
I'm walking a foot post
259
00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:00,725
in Washington Heights.
260
00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,520
Could've got back on the squad
if I wanted
261
00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:06,398
but the truth is,
I'd rather be in uniform.
262
00:10:06,439 --> 00:10:08,692
Too much politics
in being a detective.
263
00:10:08,733 --> 00:10:10,694
I don't know how
you guys do it.
264
00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:12,237
Oh, we're different.
265
00:10:12,278 --> 00:10:13,822
We're in it for the money.
266
00:10:13,863 --> 00:10:15,532
Thanks, man.
267
00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:21,830
Tommy, you need
anything from town?
268
00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,791
Your favorite Sunday, Lennie--
lamb on the spit.
269
00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:26,418
I'll be there, Peg.
270
00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:28,420
Nice to meet you, Ed.
271
00:10:28,503 --> 00:10:31,089
Oh, you're welcome
too, of course.
272
00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:33,133
Thank you,
Mrs. Brannigan.
273
00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:38,888
Sarno, I think I remember him.
274
00:10:38,930 --> 00:10:40,432
He was a skinny kid.
275
00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:43,268
Your notes on the interview
are missing.
276
00:10:43,309 --> 00:10:44,352
That doesn't make sense.
277
00:10:44,394 --> 00:10:47,105
But Charlie Curran said
you did talk to him.
278
00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,440
Right.
279
00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:49,399
And?
280
00:10:49,441 --> 00:10:50,567
He had an alibi.
281
00:10:50,608 --> 00:10:52,569
So did the plumber.
282
00:10:55,947 --> 00:10:58,575
Kid didn't have a record,
which Jenks did.
283
00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,286
The kid was away
at college, which
Jenks wasn't.
284
00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:04,205
The kid had his old man,
who was a citizen--
285
00:11:04,247 --> 00:11:07,375
not to mention an Ambassador--
backing him up.
286
00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,586
Who should I have believed?
287
00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:18,428
You understand
this was all before my time.
288
00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:20,388
We just need to
know if Mr. Sarno
289
00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:22,057
was here on the
day in question.
290
00:11:22,098 --> 00:11:23,933
We consider all aspects
of our students' records
291
00:11:23,975 --> 00:11:25,143
to be privileged.
292
00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,478
We don't
293
00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:28,313
and we can always come
back with a subpoena.
294
00:11:28,355 --> 00:11:29,439
But we couldn't
guarantee
295
00:11:29,481 --> 00:11:31,941
the press wouldn't
get wind of it.
296
00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,319
Mr. Sarno was not on campus.
297
00:11:34,361 --> 00:11:36,321
How do you know?
298
00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:39,115
He was suspended on
the complaint of a young lady.
299
00:11:39,157 --> 00:11:40,450
A fellow
student?
300
00:11:40,492 --> 00:11:41,534
Local girl.
301
00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,495
After a full and fair hearing
302
00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:45,497
he returned to
the university
a year later.
303
00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,290
What was he suspended for?
304
00:11:50,627 --> 00:11:54,464
Will this information be treated
with discretion?
305
00:11:54,506 --> 00:11:55,590
It was nothing.
306
00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:57,008
I don't want to
talk about it.
307
00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,093
Nothing?
308
00:11:58,134 --> 00:11:59,469
The scion of
the Sarno family
309
00:11:59,511 --> 00:12:01,137
was tossed
off campus on
your say-so.
310
00:12:01,179 --> 00:12:02,472
What did he do?
311
00:12:02,514 --> 00:12:04,140
Why does it matter?
312
00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,642
It was so long ago.
313
00:12:05,683 --> 00:12:07,644
Did I mention we're
homicide detectives?
314
00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,856
I was seeing Michael.
315
00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,526
I met him at the bar
where I waitressed.
316
00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,362
We both knew
it wasn't going anywhere.
317
00:12:17,404 --> 00:12:20,699
I mean, he was a Sarno...
and I lived with my mother
318
00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,492
in a trailer park.
319
00:12:22,534 --> 00:12:24,202
But it
was exciting.
320
00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,453
Then why the complaint?
321
00:12:25,495 --> 00:12:28,540
It was after
a keg party on campus.
322
00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:32,669
I was supposed to be
Michael's "townie" date.
323
00:12:32,711 --> 00:12:35,338
I left him pawing some Chi Delt.
324
00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:38,216
Then all of a sudden,
I hear him pull up
325
00:12:38,258 --> 00:12:42,387
in his little red sports car
that I loved going for rides in.
326
00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,014
He was drunk.
327
00:12:44,055 --> 00:12:46,349
He started putting
his hands on me.
328
00:12:46,391 --> 00:12:47,600
What did he do?
329
00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:49,144
He pushed me down.
330
00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:52,147
I hit him, then he hit me,
then he raped me.
331
00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:55,108
I reported it
to the school administration.
332
00:12:55,150 --> 00:12:57,444
I got a call
from Sarno's father.
333
00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:59,696
Why didn't you call the police?
334
00:12:59,738 --> 00:13:01,364
Did Sarno threaten you?
335
00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:04,075
You don't get it.
336
00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,369
The Sarnos don't threaten.
337
00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:07,537
They don't have to.
338
00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:09,080
His father
wrote a check.
339
00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:10,165
I signed a paper.
340
00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:11,541
A paper saying what?
341
00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:13,918
That I had consensual sex
with him.
342
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,920
I was working two jobs.
343
00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:18,590
Back then, it seemed like
a lot of money.
344
00:13:21,176 --> 00:13:23,178
My client knew
Marybeth Mosley
345
00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:25,555
and he liked
Marybeth Mosley
346
00:13:25,597 --> 00:13:27,724
but he absolutely
did not rape or kill her.
347
00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:29,225
And Stephanie Luchien
348
00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:30,435
at college?
349
00:13:30,477 --> 00:13:31,728
Your client
like her, too?
350
00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:32,771
That was consensual.
351
00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:33,730
Michael, please.
352
00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:35,899
You know, your
insinuation is absurd.
353
00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:36,900
Miss Luchien signed
354
00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,027
a sworn statement
to that 20 years ago.
355
00:13:39,069 --> 00:13:40,445
You pay off every girl
he attacks?
356
00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:41,571
Cheaper to marry him off.
357
00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:43,365
Detective.
358
00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:44,574
All right.
359
00:13:44,616 --> 00:13:46,117
Michael...
360
00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:47,786
Mr. Ambassador...
361
00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:49,287
Come on.
362
00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:50,955
These people
have nothing.
363
00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,751
Uh, If you anticipate
using Stephanie Lucien
364
00:13:54,793 --> 00:13:57,212
as a pattern rape witness
365
00:13:57,253 --> 00:13:58,171
Miss Carmichael,
think again
366
00:13:58,213 --> 00:14:00,090
and when you
do, think about
your witnesses:
367
00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:03,093
invalids who can't even
remember their own names
368
00:14:03,134 --> 00:14:04,594
or are dead or missing
369
00:14:04,636 --> 00:14:06,763
along with
half the physical
evidence? Please.
370
00:14:06,805 --> 00:14:08,431
That's enough,
Barry, let's go.
371
00:14:08,473 --> 00:14:10,433
All right. Gentlemen,
Ms. Carmichael.
372
00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:14,229
Now what?
373
00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:16,731
Remember what
the Luchien girl said
374
00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:19,484
about the little red sports car?
375
00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,278
You want to check the DMV
for citations?
376
00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,448
It's how they nabbed Berkowitz.
377
00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:26,324
No.
378
00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:29,119
Nothing registered
to a Michael Sarno.
379
00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,620
A red sports car
380
00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:32,706
uh, like 1980, '81?
381
00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:35,542
Sorry, database
is not set up
382
00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:38,503
for a model search.
383
00:14:38,545 --> 00:14:40,588
Okay, try any
variation on "Sarno."
384
00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,132
Maybe we'll
get lucky.
385
00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:46,302
Got a Peter Sarno.
386
00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:48,680
The Ambassador.
387
00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,683
Peter Sarno owned three sedans
and a vintage TR-6, red.
388
00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:54,102
A Triumph...
a kid's ride.
389
00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:56,688
With a parking
citation issue
390
00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:59,190
in the Borough
of Manhattan
391
00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:03,153
August 21, 1981.
392
00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:04,279
The day of the murder.
393
00:15:04,321 --> 00:15:05,822
DMV can't even spell
my name right
394
00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:07,365
they got a 20-year-old ticket
395
00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,075
in the system?
396
00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:10,660
Go figure.
397
00:15:10,702 --> 00:15:12,078
Hey, we know
Sarno's the guy.
398
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,788
We just can't
find anything
to lock it down.
399
00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:15,540
Nothing further
on the kid's whereabouts
400
00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:16,875
on the day of the killing?
401
00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:19,794
His car was in New York,
but nobody we talked
to puts him with it.
402
00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:20,920
And we talked to everybody.
403
00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:24,507
Well, if it's obvious to the two
of you 20 years later
404
00:15:24,549 --> 00:15:27,344
how did Brannigan manage
to miss it at the time?
405
00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:28,803
Looks like he has a hard time
406
00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:30,764
believing an ambassador
would know how to lie.
407
00:15:30,805 --> 00:15:33,224
Hey, Tommy Brannigan's
the best pure cop I ever knew.
408
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,518
Lieutenant, this guy would like
to have a word with you.
409
00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,687
Can't you handle it?
410
00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:39,898
Um, it's about the Mosley case.
411
00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:42,108
Oh, thanks.
412
00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,488
I saw in the paper
413
00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:49,574
that the Mosley case
was being investigated again
414
00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,368
and it made me remember
415
00:15:51,409 --> 00:15:53,745
this thing
that this guy said one time.
416
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,205
What guy?
417
00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:56,498
I can't tell you that.
418
00:15:56,539 --> 00:15:58,750
What can you tell us?
419
00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:03,171
Uh, this guy said...
he killed a girl.
420
00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:05,465
He said he-he beat her
with a ratchet
421
00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:07,425
after a night of drinking.
422
00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:10,678
I know he knew
the Mosley girl.
423
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,764
I think it was her.
424
00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:14,766
How did he come
to tell you this?
425
00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:16,559
We were in rehab together.
426
00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:17,560
It was in a meeting.
427
00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:20,897
For this information
to be of any use
428
00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:22,774
you're going to have to tell us
who the guy is.
429
00:16:22,816 --> 00:16:24,442
I'm not at liberty
to say who it is.
430
00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:25,777
Why did you come here,
Mr. Paley?
431
00:16:25,819 --> 00:16:27,779
I don't know.
432
00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:30,573
I...I was afraid maybe
you'd arrest the wrong guy.
433
00:16:30,615 --> 00:16:31,908
And how does
this stop us
434
00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,327
from doing that?
435
00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:36,663
Well, you-you could maybe
436
00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:40,417
tell me who it is
that you're going to arrest
437
00:16:40,458 --> 00:16:42,752
and I could tell
you if it was the
same guy or not.
438
00:16:42,794 --> 00:16:44,629
Lieutenant, uh, would you
and Detective Green
439
00:16:44,671 --> 00:16:45,797
excuse us for a minute?
440
00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:47,757
Sure.
441
00:16:56,683 --> 00:16:58,435
How much time you got in?
442
00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:01,896
Two and a half years.
443
00:17:01,938 --> 00:17:04,274
I'll have five years February 5.
444
00:17:04,316 --> 00:17:06,317
So you know...
I can't say a name.
445
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,528
Yeah, but I know this:
446
00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:12,991
there's a woman out there
who lost a daughter
447
00:17:13,033 --> 00:17:15,577
who deserves some closure
448
00:17:15,618 --> 00:17:17,495
and there's
a bunch of cops
449
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,831
trying very hard
to find out who
committed a murder
450
00:17:19,873 --> 00:17:20,915
20 years ago.
451
00:17:20,957 --> 00:17:23,293
Now maybe they're going
to arrest the right person
452
00:17:23,335 --> 00:17:25,003
but there's always a chance
453
00:17:25,045 --> 00:17:26,796
they could arrest
the wrong person.
454
00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:28,798
So what are you saying
I should do?
455
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,845
Ask your higher power
what's right.
456
00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:38,767
Michael Sarno,
you're under arrest
457
00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:40,310
for the murder
of Marybeth Mosley.
458
00:17:40,352 --> 00:17:41,686
Dad...
Not a word,
Michael.
459
00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:42,812
Michael, trust me,
you'll be fine.
460
00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:43,730
Are those necessary?
461
00:17:43,772 --> 00:17:45,690
Detective, my client's
surrendering.
462
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:47,609
Yeah, sure, if
he gives us his
word of honor
463
00:17:47,651 --> 00:17:49,903
never to do it again,
we'll just forget
the whole thing.
464
00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:59,120
One count each Murder
in the Second Degree
465
00:17:59,162 --> 00:18:00,705
Rape in the First Degree.
466
00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:01,998
1981?
467
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,709
A little slow stepping
up to the plate
468
00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:06,211
on this one, eh,
Miss Carmichael?
469
00:18:06,294 --> 00:18:07,504
Mr. Nathanson?
470
00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,547
Not guilty to all
charges, Your Honor.
471
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:12,509
People request remand.
The defendant is
being charged
472
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:15,512
with a murder he's taken pains
to conceal for two decades.
473
00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,514
He's concealed nothing
because he's done nothing.
474
00:18:17,555 --> 00:18:18,848
He's confessed,
Your Honor.
475
00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:20,558
Nothing of the sort
476
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,894
and defense challenges
the statement as uncorroborative
477
00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:23,853
of the underlying charges.
478
00:18:23,895 --> 00:18:25,689
It's a matter of fact
for a jury, Judge.
479
00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:26,856
Your Honor, we...
480
00:18:26,898 --> 00:18:28,525
Save it for trial,
Counselor.
481
00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,485
Bail is set
at one million dollars.
482
00:18:32,195 --> 00:18:33,989
We'll post that before lunch.
483
00:18:33,989 --> 00:18:35,907
I'm happy
for you both.
484
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:38,910
Next.
485
00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:40,912
Ah, you see, JJ
486
00:18:40,954 --> 00:18:44,499
what detectives do
90% of the time
487
00:18:44,541 --> 00:18:45,709
is sit around
and drink coffee.
488
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:47,085
And you got perfect timing, too.
489
00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:48,878
We were just going
to send down for lunch.
490
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,714
What's up, JJ?
491
00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,590
Want me to show him
how to roll fingerprints?
492
00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:55,510
Very nice of you, Ed,
but I don't want to be a bother.
493
00:18:55,552 --> 00:18:56,845
No bother. You want to go?
494
00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:57,929
Could I?
495
00:18:57,971 --> 00:18:59,264
Sure.
496
00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:01,933
I'll be down for
you in a second.
497
00:19:01,975 --> 00:19:05,228
Thanks for calling me
about the collar.
498
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,731
Oh, hey, after the boss,
you were the first one
499
00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:08,732
to find out.
500
00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:11,026
I dug around in my notes
for the name and address
501
00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:12,235
of this girl, Janice Trainor.
502
00:19:12,277 --> 00:19:13,778
She was Marybeth's girlfriend.
503
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:16,031
I figured they might
want her for a witness.
504
00:19:16,072 --> 00:19:18,241
Yeah, I'll let them know.
505
00:19:18,283 --> 00:19:22,537
You wouldn't happen to know
whether they were planning
506
00:19:22,579 --> 00:19:25,248
on calling me as a
witness, would you?
No, I don't.
507
00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:27,292
The only reason I ask is
I'm supposed to go down
508
00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,586
to my daughter's in Florida
around then, and I'd be
509
00:19:29,627 --> 00:19:31,629
looking to buy the tickets
a couple of weeks in advance
510
00:19:31,713 --> 00:19:32,881
on account
of the fare.
511
00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:34,215
You call in
to the DA's office?
512
00:19:34,215 --> 00:19:37,093
Oh, I don't want to be
a pain in the ass.
513
00:19:37,135 --> 00:19:39,596
Give me a call
if you hear anything
514
00:19:39,637 --> 00:19:40,930
will you?
515
00:19:40,972 --> 00:19:42,265
You got it.
516
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,602
And congratulations.
517
00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:46,895
Oh, hey, we caught a break.
518
00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:48,146
I wish it
had been me
519
00:19:48,188 --> 00:19:51,691
but if it wasn't me,
I'm glad it was you.
520
00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:53,735
Take care, Tommy.
521
00:19:57,822 --> 00:20:00,784
Nathanson is right behind me.
522
00:20:00,825 --> 00:20:03,286
What can we do
for you, Barry?
523
00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,622
Ah, some preliminary matters.
524
00:20:05,663 --> 00:20:07,582
Like pleading your client
to the top counts?
525
00:20:07,624 --> 00:20:10,126
Hey, hey,
sense of humor.
526
00:20:10,168 --> 00:20:12,128
Something
your predecessors lacked.
527
00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:13,296
I like that.
528
00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:16,299
Half your witnesses are dead
or in need of nursing care
529
00:20:16,341 --> 00:20:18,635
missing evidence,
contradictory statements.
530
00:20:18,676 --> 00:20:20,595
No, Mr. Sarno is not inclined
531
00:20:20,637 --> 00:20:22,013
to plead to anything.
532
00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,139
Fine.
533
00:20:23,181 --> 00:20:24,682
I'm curious to hear
how he explains
534
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:26,267
his confession to a jury.
535
00:20:26,309 --> 00:20:27,310
Confession?
536
00:20:27,352 --> 00:20:29,604
Doesn't pass
the laugh test, Jack.
537
00:20:29,646 --> 00:20:31,606
Motion to suppress.
Only person ever hears
538
00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:34,609
of my client's purported
statement's a judge.
539
00:20:38,196 --> 00:20:40,615
"Sarno's alleged declaration,
ambiguous at best
540
00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:42,075
is, in any event
541
00:20:42,117 --> 00:20:44,327
inadmissible
as privileged."
542
00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:45,495
Didn't you tell me
543
00:20:45,537 --> 00:20:48,123
Sarno confessed to a friend
in a group therapy session?
544
00:20:48,164 --> 00:20:49,290
Yeah, Paley.
545
00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:51,668
He's the only one
who wants to talk.
546
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:52,711
Well, he'll have to do.
547
00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:54,713
Every do-gooder in town
548
00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:56,381
is jumping
on the Sarno bandwagon.
549
00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:58,216
Amicus briefs on the motion
to suppress:
550
00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,635
AA, ACLU, AMA.
551
00:21:07,392 --> 00:21:08,810
Now, Doctor,
you are a psychologist
552
00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:10,228
licensed
by the State of New York?
553
00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:11,312
I am.
554
00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:13,857
I'm also the director
of the Morningside Clinic
555
00:21:13,898 --> 00:21:15,692
a drug and alcohol
rehabilitation institute.
556
00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:17,193
And you were leading
557
00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,612
a group therapeutic session
on the morning in question?
558
00:21:19,654 --> 00:21:20,405
Yes, Mr. Nathanson.
559
00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,365
Mr. Sarno was one
of four patients
560
00:21:22,407 --> 00:21:24,868
undergoing intensive
counseling sessions
561
00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,662
as part of their treatment
for alcohol addiction.
562
00:21:27,704 --> 00:21:30,040
Now, Dr. Hermann,
without revealing the remarks
563
00:21:30,081 --> 00:21:32,917
of any of the participants,
is there any doubt in your mind
564
00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:35,712
that this session was conducted
within the confines
565
00:21:35,754 --> 00:21:37,338
of a professional setting?
566
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:38,923
No, none whatsoever.
567
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,346
What's to stop
a member of a group
568
00:21:44,387 --> 00:21:46,723
from telling someone-- anyone--
569
00:21:46,765 --> 00:21:49,726
what was said
in a therapy session?
570
00:21:49,768 --> 00:21:51,436
Legally, I'm not qualified
to answer, sir.
571
00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,230
Morally, ethically,
I believe my patients feel bound
572
00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:55,148
by a sense of
confidentiality.
573
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:57,317
"What you hear here,
when you leave here
574
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,443
let it stay here."
575
00:21:58,526 --> 00:21:59,903
You're aware that notion
576
00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:01,237
has no legal effect?
577
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,948
Objection. The witness
has already stated
578
00:22:04,032 --> 00:22:05,742
that he holds no degree
in jurisprudence.
579
00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:06,910
Sustained.
580
00:22:12,749 --> 00:22:15,960
As Lead Counsel,
I speak for all parties.
581
00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:20,757
Whatever Mr. Sarno may have
said falls under CPLR 4507.
582
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,425
That section creates
the privilege
583
00:22:22,467 --> 00:22:25,804
between a psychologist
and one client, singular.
584
00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,430
Mr. Sarno was in a group
therapeutic session
585
00:22:27,472 --> 00:22:29,349
conducted within
AA guidelines
586
00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:31,434
supervised by a
licensed psychologist
587
00:22:31,476 --> 00:22:32,769
Your Honor...
588
00:22:32,811 --> 00:22:34,437
This is not just my
position, Your Honor
589
00:22:34,479 --> 00:22:36,898
but those of the American
Civil Liberties Union
590
00:22:36,898 --> 00:22:39,234
and the American
Medical Association and AA.
591
00:22:39,275 --> 00:22:41,444
Your Honor has
their amicus submissions.
592
00:22:41,486 --> 00:22:43,154
So we're on
the same page.
593
00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,782
Your client did admit
killing the Mosley girl.
594
00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:47,450
I make no such concession,
Your Honor.
595
00:22:47,492 --> 00:22:48,910
Mr. Sarno made
his statements
596
00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:50,120
in a room full of people.
597
00:22:50,161 --> 00:22:51,496
Their presence shatters
any privilege.
598
00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:53,289
Not if they're all members
599
00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:54,791
of a therapeutic group.
600
00:22:54,833 --> 00:22:55,875
The privilege radiates
601
00:22:55,917 --> 00:22:58,211
from the psychologist
to each member.
602
00:22:58,253 --> 00:23:01,089
People v. Wilkins:
"The privilege between
psychologist and client
603
00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:04,467
should be viewed as
broader--broader-- than
doctor-patient."
604
00:23:04,509 --> 00:23:07,804
There is no confidentiality
when others are included.
605
00:23:07,846 --> 00:23:10,348
The point of group
therapy, all therapy
606
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:13,268
is to heal, through revelation
and sharing.
607
00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:15,270
Where does it end,
Your Honor?
608
00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:16,980
Privilege, as such, is designed
609
00:23:17,022 --> 00:23:19,107
to be as narrowly drawn
as possible.
610
00:23:19,149 --> 00:23:20,066
Your Honor, be advised
611
00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:22,777
that the organizations
represented here today
612
00:23:22,819 --> 00:23:25,947
are prepared to take this point
on appeal all the way up
613
00:23:25,989 --> 00:23:28,116
to the nine wise souls
in Washington, if necessary.
614
00:23:28,158 --> 00:23:29,200
Enough.
615
00:23:29,242 --> 00:23:30,869
The purpose of the statute
616
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,455
conferring psychologist-client
privilege is clear.
617
00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:35,749
Without unfettered communication
618
00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:38,543
between therapist
and client
619
00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:41,337
the therapeutic
effect would suffer.
620
00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:44,257
That Mr. Sarno made statements
in front of other clients
621
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:45,342
I find immaterial.
622
00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:47,052
The motion to suppress
is granted.
623
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:50,346
Counsel is to pick
a date for trial
624
00:23:50,388 --> 00:23:51,848
preferably a
short one.
625
00:23:53,349 --> 00:23:55,352
Mr. McCoy...
626
00:23:55,393 --> 00:23:58,063
Mr. Nathanson tells me
you have little in
the way of evidence
627
00:23:58,146 --> 00:24:01,358
and now you haven't got
my son's statement, either.
628
00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:03,401
All due respect,
Mr. Ambassador
629
00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:05,570
we have sufficient
for conviction
630
00:24:05,612 --> 00:24:07,322
as Judge Rivera indicated.
631
00:24:07,322 --> 00:24:10,033
Please, Mr. McCoy,
we're not children here.
632
00:24:10,075 --> 00:24:13,203
I know the distance between
a technical sufficiency
633
00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:14,371
and a conviction.
634
00:24:14,412 --> 00:24:17,374
What do you want,
Mr. Sarno?
635
00:24:17,415 --> 00:24:19,584
I want what any parent
in my position would:
636
00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:20,877
an end to the persecution
637
00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:22,045
of my boy.
638
00:24:22,087 --> 00:24:25,924
It's prosecution,
not persecution,
and we're doing this
639
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:27,842
because we think
your son is guilty.
640
00:24:27,884 --> 00:24:30,887
Please, spare me
the fake pieties, Counselor.
641
00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:34,015
You're doing it
to see your name in the paper.
642
00:24:36,434 --> 00:24:38,895
Missing murder
weapon, no DNA
643
00:24:38,937 --> 00:24:41,398
no eyewitness,
no confession.
644
00:24:41,439 --> 00:24:45,235
And with Nathanson,
you ain't seen nothing yet.
645
00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:47,237
So where do we start?
646
00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:51,116
I'll dazzle them
in the courtroom
as long as I can.
647
00:24:51,199 --> 00:24:53,618
See what you can dig up.
648
00:24:57,747 --> 00:24:59,374
Okay, the ME at the
time was Dr. Singh.
649
00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:00,208
Deceased.
650
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:02,794
There's no putting him
on the stand.
651
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:04,421
Well, his report
still establishes
652
00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:07,257
that Mosley was killed
with a ratchet.
653
00:25:07,298 --> 00:25:10,385
Well, jurors aren't
generally too taken
with pieces of paper.
654
00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:12,387
And the ratchet
itself is gone.
655
00:25:12,387 --> 00:25:14,806
Yeah, now how does
that happen?
656
00:25:14,848 --> 00:25:17,809
Well, once an
investigation's concluded
657
00:25:17,851 --> 00:25:20,937
evidence is moved from
One PP to a warehouse in Queens.
658
00:25:20,979 --> 00:25:22,731
Sometimes it gets lost,
mislabeled.
659
00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:25,400
And what about before
an investigation is concluded?
660
00:25:25,442 --> 00:25:27,569
It stays in the property room.
661
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:28,945
Unless?
662
00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:30,905
Unless someone
signs them out
663
00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:34,743
and we've looked for those logs
and they're nowhere to be found.
664
00:25:34,784 --> 00:25:35,618
Can we find out
665
00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,328
who made the entries
in those logs?
666
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,621
Sure.
667
00:25:38,663 --> 00:25:41,082
Maybe we'll actually find
someone who's alive.
668
00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:45,295
At the time of the original
investigation
669
00:25:45,336 --> 00:25:47,964
I was assigned to assist
the primary investigator
670
00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,091
in the collection of evidence.
671
00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:51,176
In that capacity
672
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,678
did you have occasion
to visit the Sarno family home?
673
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,305
I did.
674
00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:57,640
Specifically, I entered
the underground parking area
675
00:25:57,682 --> 00:25:59,642
of the Sarno townhouse
on Fifth Avenue.
676
00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,811
Could you please
tell the jury
677
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,272
what, if anything,
you observed there?
678
00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:07,108
Mr. Sarno maintained
a well-equipped workroom
679
00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:09,944
including an extensive
collection of tools.
680
00:26:09,986 --> 00:26:12,447
Among them was a large set
of drivers and ratchets.
681
00:26:12,447 --> 00:26:16,618
Missing from these
was a one-inch driver.
682
00:26:21,498 --> 00:26:24,000
Nothing whatsoever
of this witness, Your Honor.
683
00:26:27,045 --> 00:26:28,630
Marybeth Mosley.
684
00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:31,132
Was she popular in school?
685
00:26:31,174 --> 00:26:34,135
I used to be so jealous of her.
686
00:26:34,135 --> 00:26:37,722
Her hair was so straight,
gorgeous skin.
687
00:26:37,764 --> 00:26:38,807
She was
very popular.
688
00:26:38,848 --> 00:26:41,351
Did you know if she had
feelings for the defendant?
689
00:26:41,393 --> 00:26:42,519
For a while she did.
690
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,355
He was funny and he
had a lot of charm
691
00:26:45,397 --> 00:26:47,524
and he really made
an effort to sweep
her off her feet.
692
00:26:47,565 --> 00:26:49,401
One summer, they
wound up going out.
693
00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,861
Were you aware of what
it was that made them
694
00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:53,363
stop going out?
695
00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,865
Michael wanted a full-on
sexual relationship
696
00:26:55,907 --> 00:26:57,409
and Marybeth didn't.
697
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:58,576
She was definite
about it.
698
00:26:58,618 --> 00:26:59,994
He wouldn't take
no for an answer.
699
00:27:00,036 --> 00:27:00,912
Objection.
700
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:03,164
How on earth does she know
what my client
701
00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:05,417
would or would not
have taken for an answer
702
00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:07,377
going back-- what it is?--
20 years in time?
703
00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:08,378
Sustained.
704
00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:10,839
Ms. Trainor, was there a time
705
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,674
when, in your presence
706
00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:16,386
Marybeth Mosley physically
rejected Mr. Sarno?
707
00:27:16,428 --> 00:27:20,765
We were at
a school dance.
708
00:27:20,807 --> 00:27:23,059
Afterwards, a bunch
of us went for burgers.
709
00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:25,019
Michael sat beside Marybeth.
710
00:27:25,061 --> 00:27:26,855
He put his hands on her.
711
00:27:26,896 --> 00:27:29,399
I'm pretty sure he was drunk.
712
00:27:29,441 --> 00:27:31,401
She told him to
stop. He wouldn't.
713
00:27:31,443 --> 00:27:33,611
She threw a basket
of fries in his lap.
714
00:27:33,653 --> 00:27:35,405
That slow him
down a bit?
715
00:27:35,447 --> 00:27:38,408
No, and when she started to cry,
he laughed at her.
716
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:41,870
He said he could have her
any time he wanted.
717
00:27:41,911 --> 00:27:43,204
Thank you, Miss Trainor.
718
00:27:43,246 --> 00:27:45,540
I have nothing further.
719
00:27:51,963 --> 00:27:54,799
Those his words, Ms. Trainor?
720
00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:56,426
"I can have you
any time I want"?
721
00:27:56,468 --> 00:28:00,055
It's hard to remember exactly
after 20 years.
722
00:28:00,055 --> 00:28:00,972
So your response
723
00:28:01,014 --> 00:28:03,892
to Mr. McCoy's question was
what-- inexact
724
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:05,226
or invented?
725
00:28:05,268 --> 00:28:06,603
Objection.
726
00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:07,896
No, I'm going to allow it.
727
00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,065
I was trying to remember.
728
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,567
Anyone from the District
Attorney's Office help
you to remember?
729
00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:14,110
Objection.
730
00:28:14,152 --> 00:28:15,987
Sustained.
731
00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:20,241
Ms. Trainor,
did you relate any part
732
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:23,244
of this tale of rejection
to the police
733
00:28:23,286 --> 00:28:24,954
20 years ago?
734
00:28:24,996 --> 00:28:27,123
I spoke to a detective, yes.
735
00:28:27,165 --> 00:28:28,875
So, it's your testimony
as you sit here today
736
00:28:28,917 --> 00:28:30,919
that you told an NYPD detective
that my client
737
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,837
was what? Going out
with Ms. Mosley?
738
00:28:32,879 --> 00:28:33,797
Yes.
739
00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:34,798
That he was
actively
740
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,841
sexually pursuing her?
741
00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,426
Yes.
742
00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:40,595
Your Honor, I call for
the production of police reports
743
00:28:40,637 --> 00:28:41,638
reflecting the statements
744
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,639
of this witness.
745
00:28:42,681 --> 00:28:44,808
Counsel, step up.
746
00:28:48,186 --> 00:28:50,480
Do you have this,
Mr. McCoy?
747
00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:51,439
Judge, it's been 20 years.
748
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:53,483
Some of the documentation
has been mislaid.
749
00:28:53,525 --> 00:28:56,486
My client's accused of murder
and Mr. McCoy pleads sloppiness?
750
00:28:56,528 --> 00:28:57,445
This is
unbelievable.
751
00:28:57,487 --> 00:29:00,281
Save the histrionics
for the closing, Barry.
752
00:29:00,281 --> 00:29:01,157
Whether she spoke
753
00:29:01,199 --> 00:29:03,493
to a detective 20 years
ago is immaterial.
754
00:29:03,535 --> 00:29:04,452
She's here now.
755
00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:06,287
Your Honor,
they're pulling
756
00:29:06,329 --> 00:29:07,247
an O.J. in reverse.
757
00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:08,331
Instead of planting evidence
758
00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:10,291
they're framing my client
with the absence of it.
759
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:12,293
That's an outrageous accusation.
760
00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:13,670
I move to strike
761
00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:15,547
the witness's testimony
in its entirety.
762
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:16,589
Denied.
763
00:29:16,631 --> 00:29:19,092
Well, I reserve the right
to argue in closing
764
00:29:19,134 --> 00:29:21,636
that the testimony is
unsupported by documents
765
00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:23,054
and that it's fabricated.
766
00:29:23,096 --> 00:29:25,056
Granted.
767
00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,142
Now step back.
768
00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:34,524
I wasn't always
in the property room you know.
769
00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:38,111
1963, I was wounded
in a shoot-out--
770
00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:40,155
one of the Chinese gangs
down on East Broadway.
771
00:29:40,196 --> 00:29:41,156
Really?
772
00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,199
And don't think I didn't
make a collar anyway--
773
00:29:43,241 --> 00:29:44,200
two of them, yeah.
774
00:29:44,242 --> 00:29:46,077
I walked them out
with my arm in a sling.
775
00:29:47,203 --> 00:29:48,580
I could show you pictures.
776
00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:49,539
Well, actually...
777
00:29:49,581 --> 00:29:52,709
Um, a young woman was killed
around 1980
778
00:29:52,751 --> 00:29:54,336
a Marybeth Mosley.
779
00:29:54,377 --> 00:29:55,920
The evidence
from her case
780
00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,839
disappeared from
the property room.
781
00:29:57,881 --> 00:29:59,549
Mosley.
782
00:29:59,591 --> 00:30:00,759
Oh, wait a minute...
783
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,926
She was killed
784
00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:02,927
with a wrench.
785
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:04,054
A ratchet, yes.
786
00:30:04,888 --> 00:30:06,056
1980...
787
00:30:06,097 --> 00:30:07,015
Right.
788
00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:10,310
So... we weren't on
Broom Street anymore.
789
00:30:10,352 --> 00:30:12,103
Do you remember anything
out of the ordinary?
790
00:30:12,145 --> 00:30:13,563
Well, I remember
some guy trying
791
00:30:13,605 --> 00:30:16,066
to check things out
without signing for them.
792
00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:18,360
In fact, it was a wrench,
if I do recall.
793
00:30:18,401 --> 00:30:19,861
Do you remember who?
794
00:30:19,903 --> 00:30:20,862
Some detective...
795
00:30:20,904 --> 00:30:23,073
I don't remember
his name.
796
00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:24,157
Oh...
797
00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:27,619
"Driving for Inspector
Holsick" is what he told me.
798
00:30:27,661 --> 00:30:30,622
I said I don't care who
you're driving for, Skippy
799
00:30:30,705 --> 00:30:34,209
you sign the ledger
or you're not taking
out nothing.
800
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:35,210
And did he?
801
00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:38,963
You're damn right he did.
802
00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:40,090
Finally, Detective
803
00:30:40,131 --> 00:30:41,633
did you attempt to retrieve
804
00:30:41,674 --> 00:30:43,343
the clothing Marybeth Mosley
was wearing
805
00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:44,177
on the day she was killed
806
00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:46,638
from the police property
clerk's office?
807
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,014
Yes.
808
00:30:48,056 --> 00:30:49,307
And the murder weapon?
809
00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:51,267
We-- my partner and I--
810
00:30:51,309 --> 00:30:53,144
were told that
they couldn't be located.
811
00:30:53,186 --> 00:30:54,813
Did the property clerk
812
00:30:54,896 --> 00:30:57,941
have any explanation for why
the items were missing?
813
00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,275
He said they might've been lost
814
00:30:59,317 --> 00:31:01,945
during the course
of a move to a new building.
815
00:31:01,987 --> 00:31:04,781
Thank you, Detective,
nothing further.
816
00:31:10,954 --> 00:31:11,997
You've never laid eyes
817
00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:14,749
on the alleged murder weapon,
have you, Detective?
818
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:16,084
Well, I've never seen
819
00:31:16,126 --> 00:31:18,086
the dark side of the moon,
either, Counselor
820
00:31:18,128 --> 00:31:18,837
but I know it exists.
821
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:21,131
Maybe that's where
the ratchet is.
822
00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,298
I couldn't say.
823
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:25,135
Nor can anyone else.
824
00:31:25,176 --> 00:31:26,428
Which may mean, could it not
825
00:31:26,469 --> 00:31:30,015
that the ratchet purportedly
missing from the Sarnos' garage
826
00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,308
wasn't the murder
weapon at all?
827
00:31:32,350 --> 00:31:34,686
That the murder
weapon was, in fact
828
00:31:34,728 --> 00:31:38,773
a hammer or a paperweight.
829
00:31:38,815 --> 00:31:40,358
I guess anything's possible.
830
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,652
Nothing further.
831
00:31:46,698 --> 00:31:48,491
Michael, how well
832
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,119
did you know
Marybeth Mosley then?
833
00:31:51,161 --> 00:31:52,704
We dated for one summer.
834
00:31:52,746 --> 00:31:54,706
Mostly we were just friends.
835
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:57,167
Ever kiss her?
836
00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:59,294
Sure.
837
00:31:59,336 --> 00:32:00,462
Ever have sexual
relations with her?
838
00:32:00,503 --> 00:32:01,504
No, sir.
839
00:32:01,546 --> 00:32:03,673
Michael, we've
heard testimony
840
00:32:03,715 --> 00:32:06,384
that you struck Ms. Mosley.
841
00:32:06,426 --> 00:32:07,427
Totally untrue.
842
00:32:07,469 --> 00:32:08,845
We've heard
testimony that
843
00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:10,388
in front of others, you swore
844
00:32:10,472 --> 00:32:12,724
you could have her
whenever you wanted.
845
00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:16,144
Look, I don't remember
what I said 20 years ago.
846
00:32:16,186 --> 00:32:20,523
Could I have said something
like that fooling around? Sure.
847
00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:23,485
But that's what it was,
fooling around.
848
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:31,868
Michael
849
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,412
did you murder
Marybeth Mosley?
850
00:32:34,496 --> 00:32:36,706
I did not, sir.
851
00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:40,377
Thank you, Michael.
852
00:32:40,418 --> 00:32:42,170
Nothing further, Your Honor.
853
00:32:43,546 --> 00:32:46,716
Do you remember telling
Detective Thomas Brannigan
854
00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:48,802
that you were in college...
855
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:53,431
...that you were in college
in New Hampshire
856
00:32:53,515 --> 00:32:56,726
on the day Marybeth Mosley
was murdered?
857
00:32:56,768 --> 00:32:57,852
Yes, sir.
858
00:33:01,106 --> 00:33:02,857
Was that the truth?
859
00:33:02,899 --> 00:33:05,485
No, sir.
860
00:33:05,527 --> 00:33:07,445
I'd been suspended from college.
861
00:33:07,487 --> 00:33:08,405
I didn't want my father
862
00:33:08,446 --> 00:33:09,406
to find out.
863
00:33:09,447 --> 00:33:11,783
And you weren't in New York City
864
00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:13,785
on the day Marybeth Mosley
was killed?
865
00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:15,912
No, sir.
866
00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:18,248
But your car was.
867
00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:25,296
Your Honor, would you direct
868
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,881
the witness
to answer?
869
00:33:26,923 --> 00:33:28,925
Mr. Sarno.
870
00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:33,430
I didn't own a car,
Mr. McCoy.
871
00:33:33,471 --> 00:33:35,432
All right,
your father's car
872
00:33:35,473 --> 00:33:36,975
a Triumph, Model TR-6
873
00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:41,980
which you routinely
drove back and forth to college
874
00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,107
and used as your own.
875
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:46,985
Was it, sir, in New York City
876
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,945
the day of
the murder?
877
00:33:48,987 --> 00:33:50,280
Not to my knowledge.
878
00:33:50,321 --> 00:33:52,574
Do you know how
that car came to have
879
00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:54,117
a parking violation issued
880
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,453
by the New York City Police
on that day?
881
00:33:56,494 --> 00:33:58,079
Objection.
882
00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:00,332
If the witness had no knowledge
of the car's whereabouts
883
00:34:00,373 --> 00:34:02,042
how can he possibly answer
that question?
884
00:34:02,083 --> 00:34:04,461
Sustained.
885
00:34:04,502 --> 00:34:06,796
I have no further
questions at this time.
886
00:34:06,838 --> 00:34:11,301
I reserve the right
to recall at a later date.
887
00:34:16,306 --> 00:34:17,849
Got anything?
888
00:34:17,891 --> 00:34:20,894
We need to talk
to Brannigan.
889
00:34:24,189 --> 00:34:27,108
What is it with you guys
and this case?
890
00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:28,860
It's 20 years ago.
891
00:34:28,902 --> 00:34:31,905
There's no statute
of limitations on murder.
892
00:34:34,491 --> 00:34:36,576
You know how many cases
I've handled
893
00:34:36,618 --> 00:34:38,536
in the 23 years
I was on the job?
894
00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:42,290
I don't remember
details of one case.
895
00:34:42,332 --> 00:34:45,585
You don't remember anyone
getting rid of evidence?
896
00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:51,007
No, I don't.
897
00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:53,468
Was there anyone
898
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:55,512
in the Police Department
who tried to influence
899
00:34:55,553 --> 00:34:57,347
the way you conducted
the investigation?
900
00:35:00,058 --> 00:35:01,518
What are you saying?
901
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:05,188
We're asking
the question.
902
00:35:07,023 --> 00:35:10,193
I mean, this is just
a friendly conversation.
903
00:35:10,235 --> 00:35:11,695
Do you know how
it happened
904
00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:14,155
that evidence disappeared
from the property room?
905
00:35:21,287 --> 00:35:23,915
No.
906
00:35:23,957 --> 00:35:25,667
No, I don't.
907
00:35:25,709 --> 00:35:28,628
I don't know nothing.
908
00:35:46,646 --> 00:35:48,898
Now, you were in charge
of the investigation
909
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:50,442
into Marybeth Mosley's death,
were you not?
910
00:35:50,483 --> 00:35:52,485
I was.
911
00:35:52,527 --> 00:35:54,404
And you conducted
that investigation
912
00:35:54,446 --> 00:35:56,573
in the immediate aftermath
of her death?
913
00:35:56,614 --> 00:35:57,407
Right.
914
00:35:57,449 --> 00:36:00,702
So the people who knew
the defendant
915
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:02,329
who knew the victim
916
00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:06,374
their recollection
of people, places and things
917
00:36:06,416 --> 00:36:08,710
they would have
been fresh then,
would they not?
918
00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:10,003
Objection, leading.
919
00:36:10,045 --> 00:36:11,629
Sustained.
920
00:36:11,671 --> 00:36:13,423
Did you consider
921
00:36:13,465 --> 00:36:16,634
Michael Sarno a suspect
at the time?
922
00:36:16,676 --> 00:36:18,386
Tell you the truth
923
00:36:18,428 --> 00:36:21,181
I don't remember loving anyone
all that much for a suspect.
924
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:22,557
Well, as a matter
of fact
925
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,559
wasn't the primary
focus of your
investigation
926
00:36:24,601 --> 00:36:26,102
a plumber
927
00:36:26,144 --> 00:36:28,146
who had been working
at the Mosley house?
928
00:36:28,188 --> 00:36:30,648
Right. I thought we had
half a shot with the plumber.
929
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:32,984
Well, why didn't you think
930
00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:35,236
you had half a shot
with Michael Sarno?
931
00:36:35,278 --> 00:36:36,321
As far as we knew
932
00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:40,075
he wasn't in New York
at the time of the murder.
933
00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:42,077
That's the end of the story.
934
00:36:42,118 --> 00:36:44,954
I have nothing further.
935
00:37:01,554 --> 00:37:03,598
Do you think your opinion
936
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,017
of the defendant's
whereabouts would
have changed
937
00:37:06,059 --> 00:37:07,686
if you knew his car
had received
938
00:37:07,727 --> 00:37:09,688
a parking violation
in New York
939
00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:11,648
at the time
of the murder?
940
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:12,565
As I recall
941
00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:14,651
the car that received
the parking ticket
942
00:37:14,693 --> 00:37:16,069
was registered
to his father.
943
00:37:16,111 --> 00:37:18,071
But driven by the defendant.
944
00:37:18,113 --> 00:37:21,449
I don't recall having
that information at the time.
945
00:37:21,491 --> 00:37:23,201
What about
the fact
946
00:37:23,243 --> 00:37:26,454
that a one-inch drive ratchet
was the murder weapon
947
00:37:26,496 --> 00:37:28,289
and a one-inch drive ratchet
948
00:37:28,331 --> 00:37:31,001
was missing from
the defendant's
father's garage?
949
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:32,335
Given the fact
950
00:37:32,377 --> 00:37:33,712
that we lost
the murder weapon
951
00:37:33,753 --> 00:37:36,381
I couldn't very well
make a case out of that.
952
00:37:36,423 --> 00:37:38,717
Would you,
by any chance
953
00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:41,052
know how the murder weapon
came to be lost?
954
00:37:41,094 --> 00:37:42,721
No, I wouldn't.
955
00:37:42,762 --> 00:37:44,723
Were you familiar with
956
00:37:44,764 --> 00:37:48,351
a police inspector
named Alvin Holsick?
957
00:37:51,521 --> 00:37:54,190
Yeah, I knew Al Holsick.
958
00:37:54,232 --> 00:37:56,693
Were you aware that from
the time of his retirement
959
00:37:56,735 --> 00:37:58,528
until his death two years ago
960
00:37:58,570 --> 00:38:00,739
he was working for
the defendant's father
961
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,826
and being paid more
than $100,000 a year?
962
00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:07,620
I don't know
if I knew that at all.
963
00:38:07,662 --> 00:38:11,541
I kind of lost track
when he took retirement.
964
00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:12,709
Were you aware
965
00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:16,212
that it was
Alvin Holsick's driver
966
00:38:16,254 --> 00:38:18,298
who removed the
murder weapon from
the property room?
967
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,424
Objection. Assuming facts
968
00:38:19,466 --> 00:38:20,508
not in evidence.
969
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:22,093
I'll connect, Judge.
970
00:38:22,135 --> 00:38:24,387
Overruled,
subject to connection.
971
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,392
Detective.
972
00:38:31,186 --> 00:38:33,063
I don't know who took it.
973
00:38:35,815 --> 00:38:39,110
All right, Detective,
I'm going to ask you a question
974
00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:43,073
and I want you to think about it
before you answer
975
00:38:43,114 --> 00:38:44,074
because what you say
976
00:38:44,115 --> 00:38:46,826
will be with you
for the rest of your life.
977
00:38:49,412 --> 00:38:51,206
Did Inspector Holsick
978
00:38:51,247 --> 00:38:54,584
interfere with your
investigation?
979
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,218
Holsick looked after me.
980
00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:06,554
He said Sarno's not the guy.
981
00:39:06,596 --> 00:39:08,515
I was a little naive.
982
00:39:08,556 --> 00:39:11,393
I said, "I don't know,
Inspector, I think maybe he is."
983
00:39:11,434 --> 00:39:14,312
He said, "You're not
hearing me, Tommy.
984
00:39:14,354 --> 00:39:15,730
"I'm telling you--
985
00:39:15,772 --> 00:39:18,316
"Sarno's not the guy
986
00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:21,111
"and as soon as that proves
to be the case
987
00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:23,279
you just made yourself
First Grade."
988
00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:26,574
And how did you respond?
989
00:39:26,574 --> 00:39:29,119
I said,
"What about the evidence?"
990
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,788
He said make sure
that the murder weapon
991
00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:34,124
is checked into
the property room.
992
00:39:34,165 --> 00:39:35,625
He'd take care of it.
993
00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:37,877
He said Sarno
was spreading
around enough cash
994
00:39:37,919 --> 00:39:39,629
that whatever's
out there
995
00:39:39,671 --> 00:39:42,882
wouldn't bite us.
996
00:39:42,924 --> 00:39:45,301
Did you do what you were told?
997
00:39:45,343 --> 00:39:48,471
I made First Grade, didn't I?
998
00:39:48,513 --> 00:39:52,434
No special pins,
nothing on the uniform
999
00:39:52,475 --> 00:39:56,855
just top Lieutenant's pay,
and every cop knows.
1000
00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,523
My old man, rest his soul
1001
00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:01,901
he looked on First Graders
like they walked on water.
1002
00:40:01,943 --> 00:40:03,737
When I got it,
I went down
1003
00:40:03,778 --> 00:40:06,156
to the nursing home
and I told him.
1004
00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:12,203
I didn't tell him
what I had to do to get it.
1005
00:40:12,245 --> 00:40:15,331
That I had to let that
murdering son of a bitch go.
1006
00:40:21,838 --> 00:40:25,508
We're prepared
to offer a plea of
Manslaughter Two.
1007
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:26,468
Oh?
1008
00:40:26,509 --> 00:40:28,261
As opposed to an acquittal?
1009
00:40:28,303 --> 00:40:30,013
As opposed to giving this case
to the jury
1010
00:40:30,055 --> 00:40:31,890
in which case,
regardless of the verdict
1011
00:40:31,931 --> 00:40:34,559
we will prosecute
Mr. Sarno, Sr. here
1012
00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,561
for obstruction
of justice
1013
00:40:36,644 --> 00:40:39,356
and conspiracy
to obstruct justice.
1014
00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:41,191
Have you lost your mind?
1015
00:40:41,232 --> 00:40:43,276
Peter, Peter, just
hang on a second.
Do you have any...?
1016
00:40:43,318 --> 00:40:44,986
Let's assume you have
more than the say-so
1017
00:40:45,028 --> 00:40:46,488
of this broken-down cop
to go on
1018
00:40:46,529 --> 00:40:47,489
which I don't think you do.
1019
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:49,657
You're talking about something
that happened
1020
00:40:49,699 --> 00:40:50,617
20 years ago, Jack.
1021
00:40:50,659 --> 00:40:52,952
Statute of limitations
ran out a long time ago.
1022
00:40:52,994 --> 00:40:54,663
Come on.
1023
00:40:54,704 --> 00:40:55,497
We would argue
1024
00:40:55,538 --> 00:40:57,374
that the conspiracy
has been ongoing
1025
00:40:57,415 --> 00:40:59,918
and that since Mr. Sarno
actively concealed his crime
1026
00:40:59,959 --> 00:41:01,252
the statute of limitations
1027
00:41:01,294 --> 00:41:02,170
does not apply.
1028
00:41:02,212 --> 00:41:04,255
Wrong on the facts,
wrong on the law.
1029
00:41:04,297 --> 00:41:06,591
Want to go to court on it?
1030
00:41:06,633 --> 00:41:08,259
And take a chance
on the Ambassador
1031
00:41:08,301 --> 00:41:09,219
having an E-felony
1032
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:10,428
hung around his neck?
1033
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:11,805
He doesn't deserve that.
1034
00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:13,890
Plead guilty
and your father's off the hook.
1035
00:41:13,932 --> 00:41:15,850
But I mean he
doesn't deserve it.
1036
00:41:15,892 --> 00:41:17,352
If there was a crime,
it was my crime.
1037
00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:18,228
Why would you go after him?
1038
00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:20,271
I'd like to talk to my son
privately.
1039
00:41:20,313 --> 00:41:22,232
Like, how much time
would I have to spend
1040
00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:23,900
in jail for manslaughter two
or whatever it is?
1041
00:41:23,942 --> 00:41:25,568
Did you hear what
I said, Michael?
1042
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:26,903
I'd like to talk
to you privately.
1043
00:41:26,945 --> 00:41:28,488
The sentencing
recommendation
1044
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:30,407
would be eight-and-
a-third to 12 years.
1045
00:41:30,448 --> 00:41:32,617
Talk to me.
Don't talk to him.
1046
00:41:32,659 --> 00:41:34,494
You're not his lawyer,
Mr. Sarno.
1047
00:41:34,536 --> 00:41:37,414
That's right, I'm his father.
1048
00:41:37,455 --> 00:41:38,915
He's 39 years old.
1049
00:41:38,957 --> 00:41:40,458
He's also loaded
1050
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,836
or haven't you
noticed that yet?
1051
00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:46,423
Michael, is that true?
1052
00:41:47,924 --> 00:41:48,967
I'm fine.
1053
00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:52,929
All right, he can't participate
in plea discussions
1054
00:41:52,971 --> 00:41:55,306
if he's intoxicated.
Come on.
1055
00:41:55,348 --> 00:41:56,558
Fine.
1056
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:02,272
We can continue without him
or we can resume this tomorrow.
1057
00:42:02,313 --> 00:42:03,440
I'm going to call your boss.
1058
00:42:03,481 --> 00:42:05,567
I'm going to get both of you
busted down the ranks.
1059
00:42:05,608 --> 00:42:08,320
You will be lucky
if they let you work
1060
00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,572
arraignment from
the drunk tank on
Saturday nights.
1061
00:42:10,613 --> 00:42:11,656
We don't have much
1062
00:42:11,698 --> 00:42:12,490
of a social life
as it is.
1063
00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:14,326
Make whatever
the arrangements are.
1064
00:42:14,367 --> 00:42:15,452
I'll plead guilty
to manslaughter.
1065
00:42:15,493 --> 00:42:16,995
I'm telling you
to keep your mouth shut.
1066
00:42:17,037 --> 00:42:18,413
You're a drunk,
you're a junkie...
1067
00:42:18,455 --> 00:42:21,333
I'm also a murderer!
1068
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,510
Obviously, we'll need
to confirm he's not impaired
1069
00:42:32,552 --> 00:42:34,971
when he enters
his plea formally.
1070
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:39,309
You are going to answer
for this.
1071
00:42:40,894 --> 00:42:43,646
As will we all.
1072
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,084
Tommy!
1073
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:07,003
Tommy, you in there?
1074
00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,426
There you are.
1075
00:43:14,594 --> 00:43:18,807
My wife's been after me
to fix this thing for a year.
1076
00:43:18,848 --> 00:43:21,393
Well, it's good you
finally got around to it.
1077
00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:25,563
Afraid I was going
to eat my gun?
1078
00:43:25,605 --> 00:43:28,483
Now why would
you do that?
1079
00:43:28,525 --> 00:43:31,778
I disgraced myself.
1080
00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:34,698
Disgraced the job.
1081
00:43:34,739 --> 00:43:36,825
You made a mistake.
1082
00:43:36,866 --> 00:43:40,370
That's not the end
of the world.
1083
00:43:44,457 --> 00:43:47,752
I let him go.
1084
00:43:47,794 --> 00:43:52,048
He killed a girl
and I let him go.
1085
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:55,051
So now he's caught.
1086
00:44:00,974 --> 00:44:03,476
You forgive me, Lennie?
1087
00:44:07,439 --> 00:44:09,566
All day long, Tommy.
1088
00:44:09,607 --> 00:44:12,402
All day long.
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