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FRANZ SUCHOMEL
SS Unterscharfuhrer

Ser holdent forude,
modig og glad,

på verden,

de squads marcherer til arbejde.

Alle, der betyder noget for os nu er Treblinka.

Det er vores skæbne.

Det er derfor, vi er blevet én
med Treblinka

på ingen tid overhovedet.

Vi kender kun ordet
af vores Commander.

Vi kender kun lydighed og pligt.

Vi ønsker at tjene,
til at gå på servering

indtil lidt held ender det hele.

Hurra!

Endnu en gang, men højere.

Vi griner om det, men det er så trist.

Ingen griner.

Må ikke være øm på mig.

Du ønsker Historie.
Jeg giver dig historie.

Franz skrev ordene.

Melodien kom fra Buchenwald.

Camp Buchenwald,
hvor Franz var en vagt.

Nye jøder, der ankom om morgenen ...

Ny ”arbejdstager jøder”?

De blev undervist i sang,

og ved aften alle af dem havde at synge den.

- Syng den igen.
- Okay.

Det er meget vigtigt. Men højt!

Ser holdent forude,
modig og glad,

på verden,

de squads marcherer til arbejde.

Alle, der betyder noget for os nu er Treblinka.

Det er vores skæbne.

Det er derfor, vi er blevet én
med Treblinka

på ingen tid overhovedet.

Vi kender kun ordet
af vores Commander.

Vi kender kun lydighed og pligt.

Vi ønsker at tjene,
til at gå på servering

indtil lidt held ender det hele.

Hurra!

Tilfreds?

Det er enestående.
Ingen jøder ved, at i dag!

Hvordan var det muligt i Treblinka

i spidsbelastningsdage

til ”proces” 18.000 mennesker?

18.000 er for høj.

- Men jeg har læst, at tallet i Afgørelser.
- Jo da.

Til ”proces” 18.000 mennesker.

For at likvidere dem.

Mr. Lanzmann, det er en overdrivelse.

Tro mig.

Hvor mange?

12.000 t015,000.

Men vi var nødt til at tilbringe den halve nat på det.

I januar
togene begyndte ankommer til 06:00

- Altid på 6:00?
- Ikke altid.

Tit.
- Ja.

- De tidsplaner var uregelmæssig.
- Ja.

Nogle gange kom en på 6:00,
derefter en anden ved middagstid,

måske en anden sent om aftenen.

Du ser?

Så et tog ankom.

Jeg vil gerne have dig til at beskrive i detaljer

hele processen.

I løbet af højsæsonen.

Togene forlod Malkinia station,

til Treblinka station.

Hvor mange miles fra Malkinia til Treblinka?

Om seks miles.

Treblinka var en landsby.

En lille landsby.

Som en station,

det fået større betydning
på grund af de transporter af jøder.

Der var mindst 30 til 50 biler.

De var inddelt
i sektioner på 10 eller 15,

skubbet ind i Treblinka Camp,

og bragt til rampen.

De andre biler ventede, lastet med mennesker,

i Treblinka station.

Vinduerne blev lukket
med pigtråd,

så ingen kunne komme ud.

På tagene var de ”Hellhounds,”

ukrainerne eller letterne.

Letterne var værst.

På rampen, for hver bil,

der stod
to jøder fra Blue Squad

at fremskynde tingene op.

De sagde,
”Kom ud, komme ud. Skynd, skynd!”

Der var også ukrainere og tyskere.

Hvor mange tyskere?

3til 5.

- Ikke mere?
- Ikke mere. Jeg kan forsikre dig.

Hvor mange ukrainere?

Den her.

10 ukrainere, 5 tyskere.

2 ... 20 personer fra den blå Squad.

Mænd fra den blå Squad
var her og her.

De sendte folk inde.

The Red Squad var her.

Så den røde Squad var her.

Hvad var den røde Squad job?

Tøjet...

til at bære det tøj
taget fra ved mændene

og af kvinder

heroppe med det samme.

Hvor lang tid gik
mellem tømningen på rampen

og afklædning,

hvor mange minutter?

For kvinder,

Lad os sige en time i alt.

En time, en time og en halv.

En hel tog tog 2 timer.
- Ja.

I 2 timer, det hele var overstået.

Mellem tidspunktet for ankomst

og død.

Det var alle over i 2 timer?
- 2 timer, 2 1/2 timer, 3 timer.

En hel tog?

Ja, en hel tog.

Og for kun én sektion,
for 10 biler, hvor længe?

Jeg kan ikke beregne, at

fordi sektionerne
kom den ene efter den anden,

og folk Fl ooded i konstant,

forstå?

Normalt mændene venter
der sad der, eller der,

blev sendt lige op via ”tragt”.

Kvinderne blev sendt sidst.

I slutningen.

De måtte gå op der også,
og ofte ventede her.

5 ... ad gangen.

50 personer.
60 kvinder med børn.

De måtte vente her
, indtil der var plads her.

- Naked.
- Naked.

I sommer og vinter.

Vinter i Treblinka kan være meget koldt.

Nå, om vinteren i december,
alligevel efter jul.

Men selv før jul
var det kolde som helvede.

Mellem 15 og minus 4.

Jeg kender: Først
var det kolde som helvede for os, også.

Vi havde ikke egnede uniformer.

Det var koldt for os også.

Men det var koldere for ...

For de fattige mennesker.

I ”tragt”.

I ”tragt”, det var meget, meget kolde.

Kan du...

beskrive denne ”tragt” præcist?

Hvad var det ligesom?
Hvor bred?

Hvordan var det
for de mennesker i denne ”tragt”?

Det var omkring 13 fod bred.

Så bredt som dette rum.

På hver side var vægge
denne høje eller denne høje.

- Walls?
- Nej, pigtråd.

Vævet ind i pigtråd

var grene af fyrretræer.

Du forstår?

Det var kendt som ”Camou fl alder.”

Der var en ”Camou fl alder Squad” af 20 jøder.

De bragte i nye filialer hver dag.

- Fra skoven?
- Det er rigtigt.

Så alt blev screenet.

Folk kunne ikke se noget
til venstre eller højre.

Ikke noget.

Du kunne ikke se igennem det.

Umulig.

Her og her også.

Også her.

Umuligt at se igennem.

CAMP DAG

Treblinka,

hvor så mange mennesker
blev udryddet,

var ikke stor, ikke?

Det var ikke stor.

1600 fod på det bredeste sted.

Det var ikke et rektangel,
mere som en rombeformede.

Du må indse,
at her jorden var flade,

og her begyndte det at stige.

Og ved toppen af skråningen
var gaskammeret.

Du måtte klatre op til det.

Den ”tragt” blev kaldt
”Road to Heaven,” right?

Jøderne kaldte det ”Ascension”.

Også ”The Last Road.”

Jeg hørte kun de to navne for det.

Jeg har brug for at se det.

De mennesker gå ind i ”tragten”.

Så hvad sker der?

De er helt nøgen?
- Helt nøgen.

Her...

stod to ukrainske vagter.

Ja.

Primært for mændene.

Hvis mændene ikke ville gå i,

de blev slået med piske.

Også her. Selv her.
- Åh ja.

Mændene blev ”kørt” sammen.
Ikke de kvinder.

Ikke de kvinder.

Nej, de var ikke slået.

Hvorfor sådan menneskeheden?

Jeg kunne ikke se det.

Jeg kunne ikke se det.

Måske de slået også.

Hvorfor ikke?

De var ved at dø alligevel.

Hvorfor ikke?

Ved indgangen til gaskamrene,

utvivlsomt.

ABRAHAM PUMP
- ISRAEL -

I ”tragt”, kvinderne måtte vente.

De hørte om motorer til gaskammeret.

Måske de også hørt folk
skrige og bedende.

Som de ventede,
”død-panik” ovn / vhetrned dem.

”Død-panik” gør folk give slip.

De tømme sig selv,
forfra eller bagfra.

Så ofte,
hvor kvinderne stod,

der var 5 eller 6 rækker
af ekskrementer.

De stod?

De kunne sidde på hug eller gøre det stående.

Jeg kunne ikke se dem gøre det.

Jeg så kun afføring.

Kun kvinder?

Ikke mændene, er det kun kvinder.

Mændene blev jaget gennem ”tragt”.

Kvinderne måtte vente

indtil et gaskammer var tom.

- Og mændene?
- Nej, de blev pisket i først.

Du forstår?

Mændene var altid først?

Ja, de altid gik først.

De behøvede ikke at vente.

De var ikke tid til at vente, nej.

Og denne ”død-panik” ...

Når denne ”død-panik” sætter ind,

man lader gå.

Det er velkendt, når en persons skrækslagne
og ved, at han er ved at dø.

Det kan ske i sengen.

Min mor knælede ved sin seng.

- Din mor?
- Ja. Så var der en stor bunke.

Det er en kendsgerning.

Det har været lægeligt ...

bevist.

Da du ønskede at vide:

Så snart de blev losset,

hvis de var blevet læsset
i Warszawa, eller andre steder,

de havde allerede blevet slået.

Slået hårdt, værre end i Treblinka,

Jeg kan forsikre dig.

Så i løbet af togrejsen,

stående i biler,

ingen toiletter,

ingenting, næppe vand.

tørv

Så dørene åbnes
, og det begyndte igen,

"Brake, bremse!"

"Hurtigere, hurtigere!"

Jeg kan ikke udtale det:
Jeg har gebis.

Det er polsk.

"Bremze" eller "hurtigere".

Hvad betyder ”bremze” betyder?

Det er en ukrainsk ord.
Det betyder ”hurtigere”.

Igen jagten ...
en regn af whiplashes.

SS mand Kuttner pisk var denne lange.

Kvinder til venstre, mænd til højre.

Og altid flere slag.

Ingen pusterum?

Ingen.

Gå derind, strimmel. Skynd, skynd!

- Altid kører.
- Altid kører.

Løb og skrige.

Det er, hvordan de blev færdig fra.

- Det var den teknik.
- Ja, teknikken.

Du skal huske: det skulle gå hurtigt.

Og den blå Squad
havde også opgaven

af førende de syge og de gamle ...

til ”Infirmary, ”

for ikke at forsinke fl ow
af mennesker til gaskamrene.

Gamle mennesker ville have bremset den ned.

Tildeling til ”infirmeriet”

blev besluttet af tyskerne.

Jøderne i den blå Squad

kun gennemført beslutningen:

førende folk der,

eller bære dem på bårer.

Gamle kvinder, syge børn,

børn, hvis mor var syge,

eller hvis mormor var meget gammel,

blev sendt sammen med bedstemor

fordi hun ikke vidste
om den ”infirmeriet.”

Det havde en hvid flag med et rødt kryds.

En passage førte til den.

Indtil de nåede enden,
så de ingenting.

Så ville de se de døde i graven.

De blev tvunget til at strippe,

to sit on a sandbank,

og blev dræbt med et skud i nakken.

De faldt ind i pit.

Der var altid en brand i pit.

Med affald, papir og benzin,

folk brænder meget godt.

RICHARD GLAZAR
- SCHWEIZ -

Den ”skadestue” var en smal websted

meget tæt på rampen

hvortil alderen blev ført.

Jeg var nødt til at gøre dette også.

Denne henrettelse hjemmeside blev ikke dækket,

bare et åbent sted med et tag,

men screenet ved et hegn,

så ingen kunne se i.

Den måde var en smal passage,

meget kort,
men noget der ligner den ”tragt”.

En slags lille labyrint.

I midten af det, der var en grav.

Og til venstre som man kom ind,

der var en lille bod,

med en slags træplanke i det,

gerne et springbræt.

Hvis folk var for svage til at stå på det,

de ville have til at sidde på det,

og så,

som man siger gik i Treblinka jargon,

SS ville du leje

”Helbrede hver enkelt med en enkelt pille”:

et skud i nakken.

I spidsbelastningsperioder,

der skete dagligt.

I disse dage, pit ...

og det var mindst

10 til 12 fod dyb ...

var fuld af lig.

Der var også tilfælde

af børn, der
af en eller anden grund kom alene

or got separated from their parents.

These children were led
to the “infirmary”

and shot there.

The “infirmary” was also for us,

the Treblinka slaves,

the last stop.

Not the gas chamber.

We always ended up in the “infirmary.”

AUSCHWITZ TODAY
THE SORTING STATION

RUDOLF VRBA
Survivor of Auschwitz

THE OLD RAMP

THE NEW RAMP BUILT IN EARLY 1944

Before each gassing operation,

the SS took stern precautions.

The crematorium
was surrounded by SS men.

Many SS men patrolled the court

with dogs and machine-guns.

To the right were the steps

that led underground
to the “undressing room.”

In Birkenau, there were 4 crematoria,

Crematorium II, III and IV, V.

Crematorium II was similar to III.

In II and III,

the “undressing room”
and the gas chambers were underground.

A large “undressing room”

of about 3000 square feet

and a large gas chamber...

where one could...

gas up to 3000 people at a time.

Crematorium I V and V
were of a different type

in that they weren't located underground.

Everything was at ground level.

In IV and V,
there were 3 gas chambers

with a total capacity

of at most 1800 to 2000 people at a time.

AUSCHWITZ MUSEUM
MODEL OF CREMATORIUMS II AND III

Elevators hoisted bodies
to the ovens

Crematorium II and III had 15 ovens each.

Crematorium IV and V had 8 ovens each.

As people reached the crematorium,

they saw everything...

this horribly violent scene.

The whole area was ringed with SS men.

Dogs barked.

Machine-guns.

They all, mainly the Polish Jews,
had misgivings.

They knew something was seriously amiss.

But none of them
had the faintest of notions

that in 3 or 4 hours
they'd be reduced to ashes.

When they reached
the “undressing room,”

they saw

that it looked like
an International Information Center!

On the walls were...

hooks,

and each hook had a number.

Beneath the hooks were...

wooden benches.

So people could undress
“more comfortably,” it was said.

And on the numerous pillars

that held up
this underground “undressing room,”

there were signs with slogans

in several languages:

“Clean is good!”

“Lice can kill!”

“Wash yourself!”

“To the disinfection area.”

All those signs

were only there

to lure people into the gas chambers
already undressed.

And to the left,

at a fight-angle,
was the gas chamber

with its massive door.

CREMATORIUM III:
THE UNDRESSING ROOM

THE GAS CHAMBER

In Crematoria II and III,
Zyklon gas crystals were poured in

by a so-called
“SS disinfection squad,”

through the ceiling,

and in Crematoria IV and V
through side openings.

With 5 or 6 canisters of gas,

they could kill around 2000 people.

This so-called “disinfection squad”

arrived in a truck
marked with a red cross

and escorted people along

to make them believe
they were being led to take a bath.

But the red cross was only a mark

to hide the canisters of Zyklon gas
and the hammers to open them.

The gas took about
10 to 15 minutes to kill.

The most horrible thing was,

once the doors of the gas chambers
were opened...

the unbearable sight.

People were packed together like basalt,

like blocks of stone.

How they tumbled out of the gas chamber!

I saw that several times.

That was the toughest thing to take.

You could never get used to that.

It was impossible.

CREMATORIUM IV

Impossible.

Yes.

You see, once the gas was poured in,
it worked like this:

it rose from the ground upwards.

And in the terrible struggle
that followed,

because it was a struggle.

The lights were switched off
in the gas chambers.

It was dark, no one could see.

So the strongest people
tried to climb higher.

Because they probably realized

that the higher they got,

the more air there was.

They could breathe better.

That caused the struggle.

Secondly, most people
tried to push their way to the door.

It was psychological:

They knew where the door was,

so maybe they could force their way.

It was instinctive,

a death struggle.

Which is why children...

and weaker people,
and the aged,

always wound up at the bottom.

The strongest were on top.

Because in the death struggle...

a father didn't realize his son lay...

beneath him.

And when the doors were opened?

They fell out.

People fell out like blocks of stone,

like rocks falling out of a truck.

But near the Zyklon gas, there was a void.

There was no one
where the gas crystals went in.

An empty space.

Probably the victims realized that

the gas worked strongest there.

And the people were...?

The people were battered.

They struggled and fought
in the darkness.

They were covered in excrement,

in blood,

from ears and noses.

One also sometimes saw

that the people lying on the ground,

because of the pressure of the others,

were unrecognizable.

Children had their skulls crushed.

- Yes.
- What?

It was awful.

Vomit.

Blood from the ears and noses.

Probably even menstrual fluid...
sure of it.

There was everything
in that struggle for life,

that death struggle.

It was terrible to see.
That was the toughest part.

FILIP MULLER, Czech Jew

survivor of the 5 liquidations
of the Auschwitz “special detail”

It was pointless

to tell the truth to anyone

who crossed the threshold
of the crematorium.

You couldn't save anyone there.

It was impossible to save people.

One day, in 1943,

when I was already in Crematorium V,

a train from Bialystok arrived.

A prisoner on the “special detail”

saw a woman in the “undressing room,”

who was the wife of a friend of his.

He came right out and told her,

“You are going to be exterminated.

In 3 hours, you'll be ashes.”

The woman believed him
because she knew him.

She ran all over

and warned the other women.

“We're going to be killed.

We're going to be gassed.”

Mothers carrying their children
on their shoulders

didn't want to hear that.

They decided the woman was crazy.

They chased her away.

So she went to the men.

To no avail.

Not that they didn't believe her.

They'd heard rumors
in the Bialystok ghetto,

or in Grodno, and elsewhere.

But who wanted to hear that!

When she saw that no one would listen,

she scratched her whole face.

Out of despair. In shock.

And she started to scream.

So what happened?

Everyone was gassed.
The woman was held back.

We had to line up in front of the oven.

First they tortured her horribly,

because she wouldn't betray him.

In the end, she pointed to him.

He was taken out of the line
and thrown alive into the oven.

We were told,
“Whoever says anything will end like that!”

We, in the “special detail,”
kept trying to figure out

if there was a way

we could tell people

to inform them.

But our experience,

in several instances
where we were able to tell people,

showed that it was of no use.

That it made their last moments
even harder to bear.

At most, we thought it might help...

Jews from Poland,

or Jews from Theresienstadt
(the Czech family camp),

who'd already spent 6 months in Birkenau,

we thought it might have been
of use in such cases

to tell people.

But imagine what it was like
in other cases:

Jews from Greece,
from Hungary, from Corfu

who'd been traveling for 10 or 12 days,

starving,

without water for days, dying of thirst,

they were half-crazed when they arrived.

They were dealt with differently.

They were only told,

“Get undressed,
you'll soon get a mug of tea.”

These people were in such a state

because they'd been traveling so long,

that their only thought

was to quench their thirst.

And the SS executioners
knew that very well.

It was all preprogrammed,

a calculated part
of the extermination process

that if people were so weak

and weren't given something to drink,

they'd rush into the gas chamber.

But in fact,

all these people were already
being exterminated

before reaching the gas chambers.

Think of the children.

They begged their mothers, screaming,

“Mother, please, water, water!”

The adults, too,
who'd spent days without water,

had the same obsession.

Informing those people
was quite pointless.

CORFU

- Grab it from there.
- Yes, grab it from there.

- Put it right there.
- Okay.

- Right there.
- Okay, yes.

Okay, be careful. Wait.

You'll come and pick it up later?
- Yes.

- Put it down.
- In a second.

Hold on a second.

Just hold on a second.

Maybe if you removed this?

Got it? That's how you'll load it.

Come and pick it up next week.

Understood?
Now move the cart away from here.

Move the cart.

Yes, let's make some space.

So you're an actor now.

Let's finish this.

MOSHE MORDO

These are my nephews.

They burned them in Birkenau.

Two of my brother's kids.

They took them
to the crematorium with their mom.

They were all burned in Birkenau.

My brother.

He was sick,

and they put him in the oven,
in the crematorium, and burned him.

That was at Birkenau.

The oldest boy was 17,

the second was 15.

Two more kids “kaput” with their mom.

Yes, 4 children I lost.

Your father too?

My dad, him too.

How old was your father?

Dad was 85 years old.

85 years old and he died in Auschwitz.

Auschwitz, that's right.

85 and he died at Birkenau.

My father.

Your father made the whole trip.

The whole family died.

First the gas chamber,
then the crematorium.

On Friday morning, June 9, 1944,

members of the Corfu Jewish
community came, very frightened,

and reported to the Germans.

This square was full
of Gestapo men and police,

and we went forward.

There were even traitors,
the Recanati brothers, Athens Jews.

After the war they were sentenced
to life imprisonment.

But they're already free.

We were ordered to go forward.

- By the street?
- Yes, by this street.

- How many of you were there?
- Exactly 1,650.

- Quite a crowd?
- A lot of people.

Christians stopped there.

Christians, that's right.
And they saw.

Where were the Christians?

- At the street corner?
- Yes.

And on the balconies.

After we gathered here,

Gestapo men with machine-guns
came up behind us.

What time was it?

- It was 6 A.M.
- In the morning.

- A fine day?
- Yes, the day was fine.

6 o'clock in the morning.

1,600.
That's a lot of people in the street.

People gathered.

The Christians heard the Jews
were being rounded up.

- Why'd they come?
- To see the show.

Let's hope it never happens again.

- Were you scared?
- Very scared.

There were young people,

sick people, little children,

the old, the crazy, and so on.

When we saw
they'd even brought the insane,

even the sick from the hospital,

we were frightened

for the survival
of the whole community.

What were you told?

That we were
to appear here at the fort

to be taken to work in Germany.

- Poland.
- Poland, that's right.

The Germans had put up
a proclamation on all the walls in Corfu.

It said all Jews had to report.

And once we were all rounded up,

life would be better
without us in Greece.

It was signed by the police chiefs,
by officials and by the mayors.

- That it's better without Jews?
- Yes.

We found out after we came back.

Was Corfu anti-Semitic?

Corfu's always had anti-Semitism?

It existed, sure,

but it wasn't so strong
in the years just before that.

Why not?

Because they didn't
think like that against the Jews.

ARMANDO AARON
President of the Corfu Jewish community

- And now?
- Now we're free.

- How do you get on with the Christians now?
- Very well.

- What'd he say?
- He asked me what you said.

He agrees our relations
with the Christians are very good.

- Did all the Jews live in the ghetto?
- Most of them.

What happened after the Jews left?

They took all our possessions,
all the gold we had with us.

They took the keys to our houses
and stole everything.

To whom was all this given?
Who stole it all?

By law, it was to go
to the Greek government.

But the state got only a small part of it.

The rest was stolen, usurped.

- By whom?
- By everybody, and by the Germans.

Of the 1,700 people deported...

Around 122 were saved.

95% of them died.

Was it a long trip
from Corfu to Auschwitz?

We were arrested here on June 9,

and finally arrived June 29.

Most were burned on the night of the 29th.

It lasted from June 9 to 29?

We stayed here for around 5 days.

Here in the fort.

No one dared escape
and leave his father, mother, brothers.

Our solidarity was
on religious and family grounds.

The first group left on June 11.

I went with the 2nd convoy, on June 15.

What kind of a boat were you on?

A zattera.
That's a boat made of barrels and planks.

It was towed by a small boat
with Germans in it.

On our boat there were 1, 2 or 3 guards,

not many Germans, but we were terrified.

You can understand,
terror is the best of guards.

- What was the journey like?
- Terrible! Terrible!

No water, nothing to eat.

90 cars that were good
for only 20 animals,

all of us standing up.

A lot of us died.

Later they put the dead
in another car in quicklime.

They burned them in Auschwitz, too.

Next figure: WALTER STIER
Ex-member of the Nazi party

Former head, Reich Railways, Bureau 33
(“Railroads of the Reich”)

You never saw a train?

No, never.

We had so much work,
I never left my desk.

We worked day and night.

“GE. D. O.B. ”

“GE DOB ” means
'Head office of Eastbound Traffic. ”

In January 1940, I was assigned
to GEDOB Krakow.

In mid-1943, I was moved to Warsaw.

I was made chief traffic planner.

Chief of the traffic planning office.

But your duties were the same
before and after 1943?

The only change:
I was promoted to head of the department.

What were your specific duties
at GEDOB in Poland during the war?

The work was barely different

from the work in Germany:

preparing timetables,

coordinating the movement
of special trains with regular trains.

- There were several departments?
- Yes.

Department 33 was in charge
of special trains

and regular trains.

The special trains
were handled by Department 33.

You were always
in the Department of Special Trains?

Yes.

What's the difference between
a special and a regular train ?

A regular train may be used

by anyone
who purchases a ticket.

Say from Krakow to Warsaw.

Or from Krakow to Lemberg.

A special train has to be ordered.

The train is specially put together

and people PaY---

group fares.

Are there still special trains now?

Of course.

Just as there were then.

For group vacations
you can organize a special train?

Yes, for instance,

for immigrant workers
returning home for the holidays,

special trains are scheduled.

Or else one couldn't handle the traffic.

You said after the war you handled
trains for visiting dignitaries.

After the war, yes.

If a king visits Germany by train,

that's a special train?

That's a special train.

But the procedure isn't the same

as for special trains
for group tours, and so on.

State visits are handled
by the Foreign Service.

Right.

May I ask you another question?

Why were there more special trains

during the war, than before or after?

I see what you're getting at.

You're referring to
the so-called “Resettlement trains.”

- “Resettlement.” That's it.
- That's what they were called.

Those trains were ordered

by the Ministry of Transport of the Reich.

You needed an order from the Ministry
of Transport of the Reich...

- In Berlin?
- Correct.

As for the implementation of those orders,

the Head Office of Eastbound Traffic
in Berlin dealt with it.

Yes, I understand.

- Is that clear?
- Perfectly.

But mostly, at that time,
who was being “resettled”?

No! We didn't know that.

Only when we were fleeing
from Warsaw ourselves,

did we learn
that they could have been Jews

or criminals, or similar people.

Jews, criminals?

Criminals. All kinds.

Special trains for criminals?

No, that was just an expression.

You couldn't talk about that.

Unless you were tired of life,

it was best not to mention that.

But you knew that the trains
to Treblinka or Auschwitz were...

Of course we knew.

I was the last district:

Without me, these trains
couldn't reach their destination.

For instance,
a train that started in Essen

had to go through
the district of Wuppertal,

Hannover, Magdeburg, Berlin,

Frankfurt/Oder, Posen, Warsaw, etc.

So I had to.

Did you know that Treblinka
meant extermination?

Of course not!

You didn't know?

Good God, no!
How could we know?

I never went to Treblinka.

I stayed in Krakow, in Warsaw,
glued to my desk.

You were a...

I was strictly a bureaucrat!

I see.

But it's astonishing

that people in the Department
of Special Trains

never knew about the “final solution. ”

We were at war.

Because there were others

who worked for the rail roads who knew.

Like the train conductors.

Yes, they saw it. They did.

But as to what happened, I know...

What was Treblinka for you?
Treblinka or Auschwitz?

Yes, for us Treblinka,
Belzec, and all that,

were concentration camps.

- A destination.
- Yes, that's all.

- But not death.
- No.

People were put up there.

For instance,
for a train coming from Essen

or Cologne, or elsewhere,
room had to be made for them there.

With the war and the allies
advancing everywhere,

those people had to be
concentrated in camps.

When exactly did you find out?

When the word got around,

when it was whispered.

It was never said outright.
Good God, no!

They'd have hauled you off at once!

We heard things...

- Rumors?
- That's it, rumors.

During the war?

Towards the end of the war.

- Not in 1942?
- No!

Good God, no! Not a word!

Towards the end of 1944, maybe.

- End of 1944?
- Not before.

What did you...?

It was said that

people were being sent to camps,

and those who weren't in good health
probably wouldn't survive.

Extermination came to you
as a big surprise?

Completely. Yes.

- You had no idea.
- Not the slightest.

Like that camp, what was its name...?

It was in the Oppeln district.

I've got it: Auschwitz!
- Yes.

Auschwitz was in the Oppeln district.
- Right.

Auschwitz wasn't far from Krakow.
- That's true.

We never heard a word about that.

- Auschwitz to Krakow is 40 miles.
- That's not very far.

And we knew nothing.
Not a clue.

But you knew that the Nazis...

that Hitler didn't like the Jews?

That we did.

It was well-known,
it appeared in print.

It was no secret.

But as to their extermination,
that was news to us.

I mean, even today people deny it.

They say there couldn't
have been so many Jews.

Is it true? I don't know.

That's what they say.

Anyway what was done was an outrage.

- What?
- The extermination.

Everyone condemns it.
Every decent person.

But as for knowing about it, we didn't.

The Poles, for instance.

The Polish people knew everything.

That's not surprising, Dr. Sorel.

They lived nearby,
they heard, they talked.

And they didn't have to keep quiet.

TREBLINKA - THE STATION

The “special detail's” life depended

on the trainloads due for extermination.

When a lot of them came in,

the “special detail” was enlarged.

They couldn't do without the detail,

so there was no weeding-out.

OSWIECIM (AUSCHWITZ)
THE STATION TODAY

But when there were fewer trainloads,

it meant immediate extermination for us.

We, in the “special detail, ” knew

that a lack of trains

would lead to our liquidation.

- FILIP MULLER -
The “special detail” lived in a crisis situation.

Every day,

we saw thousands
and thousands of innocent people

disappear up the chimney.

With our own eyes,
we could truly fathom

what it means to be a human being.

There they came,

men, women, children, all innocent.

They suddenly vanished,

and the world said nothing!

We felt abandoned.
By the world, by humanity.

But the situation taught us fully

what the possibility of survival meant.

For we could gauge

the infinite value of human life.

And we were convinced

that hope lingers in man
as long as he lives.

Where there's life,
hope must never be relinquished.

That's why we struggled
through our lives of hardship,

day after day, week after week,
month after month,

year after year,

hoping against hope to survive,

to escape that hell.

At that time,

in January, February,

March,

hardly any trains arrived.

Was Treblinka glum without the trains?

I wouldn't say the Jews were glum.

They became so when they realized...

I'll come to that later,
it's a story in itself.

- Yes, it's a story in itself.
- It's a story in itself.

Yes, I know.

The Jews,

those in the work squads,
thought at first...

- Those in the work squads, yes.
- that they'd survive.

But in January,

when they stopped receiving food,

for Wirth had decreed
that there were too many of them,

there were a good 500 to 600
of them in Camp I...

- Up there?
- Yes.

To keep them from rebelling,

they weren't shot or gassed,

but starved.

Then an epidemic broke out,

a kind of typhus.

The Jews stopped believing they'd make it.

They were left to die.
They dropped like flies.

It was all over.

FRANZ SUCHOMEL

They'd stopped believing.

It was all very well to say...

We kept on insisting,
“You're going to live!”

We almost believed it ourselves.

If you lie enough,
you believe your own lies.

Yes.

But they replied to me,

“No, chief, we're just reprieved corpses.”

The “dead season,”
as it was called,

began in February 1943,

after the big trainloads came in
from Grodno and Bialystok.

Absolute quiet.

It quieted in late January,
February and into March.

Nothing.

Not one trainload.

The whole camp was empty,

and suddenly, everywhere,
there was hunger.

It kept increasing.

And one day when the famine
was at its peak,

Oberscharfuhrer Kurt Franz
appeared before us

and told us,

“The trains will be coming in again,
starting tomorrow.”

We didn't say anything.

We just looked at each other,

and each of us thought,

“Tomorrow

the hunger will end.”

At that period,

we were actively planning the rebellion.

We all wanted to survive
until the rebellion.

The trainloads came from
an assembly camp in Saloniki.

They'd brought in Jews
from Bulgaria, Macedonia.

These were rich people:

The passenger cars bulged
with possessions.

Then an awful feeling gripped us,

all of us, my companions
as well as myself.

A feeling of helplessness,

a feeling of shame.

For we threw ourselves on their food.

A de tail brought a crate
full of crackers,

another full of jam.

They deliberately dropped the crates,

falling over each other,

filling their mouths
with crackers and jam.

The trainloads
from the Balkans brought us

to a terrible realization:

RICHARD GLAZAR

We were the workers
in the Treblinka factory,

and our lives depended

on the whole manufacturing process,

that is, the slaughtering process
at Treblinka.

This realization came suddenly

with the fresh trainloads?

Maybe it wasn't so sudden,

but it was only
with the Balkans trainloads

that it became...

so stark to us, unadorned.

Why?

24,000 people,

probably with not a sick person
among them,

not an invalid, all healthy and robust!

I recall our watching them
from our barracks.

They were already naked,
milling among their baggage.

And David...

David Bratt said to me,

“Maccabees!

The Maccabees have arrived in Treblinka!”

Sturdy, physically strong people,

unlike the others...

Fighters!

Yes, they could have been fighters.

It was staggering for us,

for these men and women, all splendid,

were wholly unaware
of what was in store for them.

Wholly unaware.

Never before had things gone
so smoothly and quickly.

Never.

We felt ashamed,

and also that this couldn't go on,
that something had to happen.

Not just a few people acting

but all of us.

The idea was almost ripe
back in November 1942.

Beginning in November '42

we'd noticed

that we were being “spared,”

in quotes.

We noticed it

and we also learned

that Stangl, the commandant,
wanted, for efficiency's sake,

to hang on to men
who were already trained,

specialists in the various tasks:

sorters, corpse-haulers,

barbers who cut the women's hair,

and so on.

This in fact is what later
gave us the chance

to prepare,

to organize the uprising.

We had a plan

worked out in January 1943,

code-named “The Time.”

At a set time,

we were to attack the SS everywhere,

seize their weapons
and attack the Kommandantur.

But we couldn't do it

because things were
at a standstill in the camp,

and because typhus had already broken out.

In the fall of 1943,

when it was clear to all of us

that no one would help us

unless we helped ourselves,

a key question faced us all:

For us in the 'Special detail, ”

was there any chance
to halt this wave of extermination

and still save our lives?

We could see only one:

armed rebellion.

We thought

that if we could get hold
of a few weapons

and secure the participation
of all the inmates

throughout the camp,

there was a chance of success.

That was the essential thing.

That's why our liaison men

contacted the leaders
of the Resistance movement,

first in Birkenau,

then in Auschwitz I,

so the revolt could be
coordinated everywhere.

FILIP MULLER

The answer came

that the Resistance command
in Auschwitz I

agreed with our plan

and would join with us.

Unfortunately,
among the Resistance leaders,

there were very few Jews.

Most were political prisoners

whose lives weren't at stake,

and for whom each day of life
lived through

increased their chances of survival.

For us in the “special detail, ”
it was the opposite.

RUDOLF VRBA

AUSCHWITZ - BIRKENAU

RUTH ELIAS - ISRAEL
Deported from Theresienstadt

CREMATORIUM V

At the end of February,

I was in a night squad at Crematorium V.

Around midnight,

there appeared a man
from the political section:

Oberscharfuhrer Hustek.

He handed Oberscharfuhrer Voss a note.

Voss was then in charge
of the 4 crematoria.

I saw Voss unfold the note

and talk to himself,
saying, “Sure, always Voss.

What'd they do without Voss?
How can we do it?”

That's how he talked to himself.

Suddenly he told me, “Go get the kapos.”

I fetched the kapos, kapo Schloime,

and kapo Wacek.

They came in, and he asked them,

“How many pieces are left?”

By “pieces” he meant bodies.

They told him, “Around 500 pieces.”

He said, “By morning,
those 500 pieces must be...

reduced to ashes.

You're sure it's 500?”

“Just about,” they said.

“Assholes!
What do you mean, just about?”

Then he left

for the “undressing room”
to see for himself.

Where the bodies were?

They were piled there:

At Crematorium V,
the “undressing room” also served

as a warehouse for bodies.

After the gassing?

After the gassing
the bodies were dragged there.

Voss went there to check.

He forgot the note,
leaving it on the table.

I quickly scanned it

and was shocked by what I read.

BIRKENAU
THE LAKE OF ASHES

The crematorium was
to be gotten ready

for “special treatment”
of the Czech family camp.

In the morning,
when the day squad came on,

I ran into kapo Kaminski,

one of the Resistance leaders
in the “special detail”

and told him the news.

He informed me

that Crematorium II
was also being prepared.

That the ovens were ready there, too.

And he exhorted me,

“You have friends and fellow countrymen.

Go see them. They're locksmiths
and can move around

so they can go to Camp B II B.

Tell them to warn these people

of what's in store for them,

and say that if they defend themselves,

we'll reduce the crematoria to ashes.

And at Camp B II B,

they can immediately
burn down their barracks.”

We were certain that the next night,

these people would be gassed.

But when no night squad went out,
we were relieved.

The deadline had been postponed

for a few days.

But many prisoners,

including the Czechs in the family camp,

accused us of spreading panic,

of having...

of having circulated false reports.

That night I was at Crematorium II.

As soon as the people got out of the vans,

they were blinded by floodlights

and forced through a corridor

to the stairs leading
to the “undressing room.”

They were blinded, made to run.

Blows were rained on them.

Those who didn't run fast enough
were beaten to death

by the SS.

The violence used against them
was extraordinary.

And suddenly...

Without explanation?

Not a word.

As soon as they left the vans,

the beatings began.

When they entered the “undressing room,”

I was standing near the rear door,

and from there
I witnessed the frightful scene.

The people were bloodied.

They knew then where they were.

They stared at the pillars

of the so-called “international
Information Center” I've mentioned,

and that terrified them.

What they read didn't reassure them.

On the contrary, it panicked them.

They knew the score.

They'd learned at Camp B ll B
what went on there.

They were in despair.

Children clung to each other.

Their mothers,

their parents, the old people all cried,

overcome with misery.

Suddenly,

some SS officers appeared on the steps,

including the camp commandant,
Schwarzhuber.

He'd given them his word
as an SS officer

that they'd be transferred to Heydebreck.

So they all began to cry out, to beg,

shouting, “Heydebreck was a trick!

We were lied to!
We want to live! We want to work!”

They looked
their SS executioners in the eye,

but the SS men

remained impassive,

just staring at them.

There was a movement in the crowd.

They probably wanted
to rush to the SS men

and tell them how they'd been lied to.

Then some guards surged forward,

wielding clubs,

and more people were injured.

In the “undressing room.”

The violence climaxed

when they tried to force
the people to undress.

A few obeyed,

only a handful.

Most of them refused to follow the order.

Suddenly, as though in chorus,

like a chorus...

they all began to sing.

The whole “undressing room” rang

with the Czech national anthem,

and the “Hatikva.”

That moved me terribly, that...

Please stop!

That was happening to my countrymen,

and I realized

that my life had become meaningless.

Why go on living? For what?

So I went into the gas chamber with them,

resolved to die.

With them.

Suddenly, some who recognized me
came up to me.

For my locksmith friends and I

had sometimes gone into the family camp.

A small group of women approached.

They looked at me and said right there
in the gas chamber...

You were inside the gas chamber?

One of them said,

“So you want to die.

But that's senseless.

Your death won't give us back our lives.

That's no way.

You must get out of here alive,

you must bear witness to our suffering,

and to the injustice done to us.”

Rudolf Vrba
and his friend Wetzler

escaped on April 7, 1944.

Several prisoners
had previously tried to flee,

but all were caught.

JAN KARSKY,
University Professor (USA)

Former courier
of the Polish government in exile

NEW YORK

WASHINGTON

THE RUHR

AUSCHWITZ - BIRKENAU

WARSAW

WARSAW

Next figure: Dr FRANZ GRASSLER,
deputy to Auerswald,

the Nazi Commissioner
of the Warsaw ghetto

You don't remember those days?

Not much.

I recall more clearly
my pre-war mountaineering trips

than the entire war period

and those days in Warsaw.

All in all, those were bad times.

It's a fact: we tend to forget,

thank God,

the bad times
more easily than the good.

The bad times are repressed.

I'll help you remember...

In Warsaw,
you were Dr. Auerswald's deputy.

Yes.

Dr. Auerswald was...

Commissioner
of the “Jewish district” of Warsaw.

Dr. Grassier, this is Czerniakow's diary.

You're mentioned in it.

It's been printed, it exists?

He kept a diary

that was recently published.

He wrote on July 7, 1941

July 7, 1941?

That's the first time
I've relearned a date.

May I take notes?

After all... it interests me too.

So in July I was already there!

He wrote on July 7, 1941,

“Morning in the Community”
- the Jewish Council HQ -

“and later with Auerswald, Schlosser...”

Schlosser was...

“and Grassier,

on routine matters.”

That's the first time...

That my name is mentioned...

Yes, but there were 3 of us.

Schlosser... was in...
the “economic department.”

I think he had to do with economics.

And the second time

was on July 22.

Czerniakow was president
of the Warsaw Jewish Council

He wrote every day?

Yes.

Yes, every day.

It's quite amazing...

That the diary was saved.

It's amazing that it was saved.

BURLINGTON - VERMONT (USA)

RAUL HILBERG

Did you go into the ghetto?

Seldom. When I had to visit Czerniakow.

What were the conditions like?

Awful.

Yes' appalling
- Yes?

I never went back
when I saw what it was like.

Unless I had to.

In the whole period
I think I only went once or twice.

We, at the Commission, tried

to maintain the ghetto
for its labor force,

and especially to prevent epidemic,
like typhus.

That was the big danger.

- Yes.
- Yes?

Can you tell us about typhus?

I'm not a doctor.

I only know that typhus
is a very dangerous epidemic

that wipes people out like the plague,

and that it can't be confined to a ghetto.

If typhus had broken out...

I don't think it did,

but there was fear that it might...

it would have killed
the Poles and the Germans.

Why was there typhus in the ghetto?

I don't know if there was,

but there was a danger,
because of the famine.

People didn't get enough to eat.

That's what was so awful.

We, at the Commission,

did our best to feed the ghetto,

so it wouldn't become
an incubator of epidemics.

Aside from humanitarian factors,
that's what mattered.

If typhus had broken out...
and it didn't...

it wouldn't have stopped at the ghetto.

Czerniakow also wrote that

one of the reasons
the ghetto was walled in

was because of this German fear.

Yes, absolutely!
Fear of typhus.

He says Germans always
associated Jews with typhus.

Maybe.

I'm not sure
if there were grounds for it.

But imagine that mass of people
packed in the ghetto...

There weren't only the Warsaw Jews,

but others who came later.

The danger kept on growing.

The Germans had a policy
on the Warsaw ghetto.

What was that policy?

You're asking more than I know.

The policy that wound up
with extermination,

the Final Solution...

we knew nothing about it.

Ourjob was to maintain the ghetto,

and try to preserve
the Jews as a work force.

The Commission's goal,

in fact, was very different

from the one that later
led to extermination.

Yes, but do you know
how many people died

in the ghetto each month in 1941?

I don't know now... if I ever knew it.

But you did know.
There are exact figures.

I probably knew...

Yes: 5,000 a month.

5,000 a month? Yes, well...

- That's a lot.
- That's a lot, of course.

But there were far too many people
in the ghetto.

That was it. Far too many.

Far too many.

My question is philosophical.

What does a ghetto mean, in your opinion?

History's full of ghettos,

going back centuries, for all I know.

Persecution of the Jews
wasn't a German invention,

and it didn't start with World War II.

The Poles persecuted them too.

But a ghetto like Warsaw's,

in a great capital,

in the heart of the city.

That was unusual.

You say you wanted to maintain the ghetto.

Our mission wasn't
to annihilate the ghetto,

but to keep it alive, to maintain it.

What does “alive” mean in such...

That was the problem.

That was the whole problem...

The problem needed to be resolved.
I knew that.

But people were dying in the streets.

There were bodies everywhere.
- Yes.

That was the paradox.

- You see it as a paradox?
- I'm sure of it.

Why?

Can you explain?
- No.

Why not?

Explain what?

But the fact is...

Jews were being exterminated
daily in the ghetto.

Czerniakow wrote...

To maintain it properly,

we'd have needed
more substantial rations,

and less crowding.

Why weren't the rations more humane?

Why weren't they?

That was a German decision, no?

There was no real decision
to starve the ghetto.

The big decision to exterminate
came much later.

That's right, later. In 1942.

Precisely!

- 3 years later.
- Just so.

Our mission, as I recall it,

was to manage the ghetto,

and, naturally,
with those inadequate rations,

and the overcrowding,

a high, even excessive death rate
was inevitable.

Yes.

What does “maintain” the ghetto
mean in such conditions...

the food, sanitation, etc.?

What could the Jews do
against such measures?

They couldn't do anything.

The Final Solution Conference
was held here

BELZEC
SITE OF THE EXTERMINATION CAMP

Why did Czerniakow commit suicide?

Because he realized
there was no future for the ghetto.

He probably saw before I did
that the Jews would be killed.

I suppose the Jews already had
their excellent secret services.

They were too well informed,

better than we were.

- Think so?
- Yes, I do.

The Jews knew more than you?

I'm convinced of it!

It's hard to believe.

The German administration
was never informed

of what would happen to the Jews.

When was the first deportation
to Treblinka?

Before Auerswald's suicide, I think.

Auerswald's?

I mean Czerniakow's. Sorry.

July 22.

Those are dates...

So the deportations began July 22, 1942.

Yes.

To... Treblinka.

And Czerniakow killed himself July 23.

Yes, that is...

- The next day.
- The next day.

So that was it, he'd realized

that his idea...

it was his idea, I think, of working
in good faith with the Germans,

in the Jews' best interests.

He'd realized this idea,
this dream was destroyed.

- That the idea was a dream.
- Yes.

And when the dream faded,
he took the logical way out.

Did you think this idea of a ghetto
was a good one?

A sort of self-management, right?
- That's right.

A mini-State?

It worked well.

But it was self-management for death, no?

We know that now.
But at the time...

- Even then!
- No!

Czerniakow wrote,

“We're puppets, we have no power.”

Yes.

No power.

Sure... that was...

- You Germans were the overlords.
- Yes.

The overlords. The masters.

Obviously.

Czerniakow was merely a tool.

Yes, but a good tool.

Jewish self-management worked well,
I can tell you.

It worked well for 3 years,

1941,1942,1943...
2112 years... and 'm the end...

In the end...

“Worked well” for what?

To what end?

For self-preservation.

No! For death!

Yes, but...

Self-management, self-preservation...

That's easy to say now.

You admitted the conditions were inhuman.

Atrocious... horrible!

So it was clear even then...

No! Extermination wasn't clear.

Now we see the result.

Extermination isn't so simple.

One step was taken,

then another, and another, and another...

Yes.

But to understand the process, one must...

I repeat: extermination did not
take place in the ghetto, not at first.

Only with the evacuations.

Otherwise, in the ghetto, we would have...

Evacuations?

The evacuations to Treblinka.

The ghetto could have been
wiped out with weapons,

as it was finally done,
after the rebellion.

After I'd left.
But at the start...

Mr. Lanzmann, this is getting us nowhere.

We're reaching no new conclusions.

I don't think we can.

I didn't know then what I know now.

You weren't a nonentity.

- But I was!
- You were important.

- You overestimate my role.
- No.

You were 2nd to the Commissioner
of the Warsaw “Jewish district.”

But I had no power.

It was something.

You were part of the vast
German power structure.

Correct. But a small part.

You overestimate the authority
of a deputy of 28 then.

- You were 30.
- 28.

At 30, you were...

you were mature.

Yes, but for a lawyer
who got his degree at 27,

it's just a beginning.

You had a doctorate.

The title proves nothing.

- Did Auerswald have one too?
- No.

But the title's irrelevant.

Doctor of Law...

What did you do after the war?

I was with a mountaineering
publishing house.

That so?

I wrote and published mountain guidebooks.

I published a climbers' magazine.

Is climbing your main interest?

Yes.

The mountains, the air...

Yes.

The sun, the pure air...

Not like the ghetto air.

The words
The words that I write to you

Are not written with ink,
but with tears

The best years are ending now

Are not written with ink,
but with tears

The best years are ending now

And are gone, not to return

It is difficult to fix
that which is shattered

And it is difficult to unite our love

Oh, show your tears

The fault is not mine

Because it must be so

It must be so
It must be so

We must both separate

It must be so
It must be so

The love that ends for both of us

Do you remember when I left you?

My fate dictated I must leave you

Because in this way
I will never again be bothered

NEW YORK
GERTRUDE SCHNEIDER AND HER MOTHER

Because it must be so

LOHAME HAGHETTAOT
KIBBUTZ MUSEUM

GHETTO FIGHTERS' KIBBUTZ,
ISRAEL

The Jewish Combat Organization (J.C.O.)
in the Warsaw ghetto

was officially formed on July 28, 1942.

After the first mass
deportation to Treblinka,

which was interrupted on September 30,

some 60,000 Jews remained in the ghetto.

On January 18, 1943,
the deportations were resumed.

Despite a severe lack of weapons,

the members of the J.C.O.
called for resistance,

and started fighting,
to the Germans' total surprise.

It lasted 3 days.

The Nazis withdrew with losses,

abandoning weapons the Jews grabbed.

The deportations were stopped.

The Germans now knew

they had to fight to conquer the ghetto.

The battle began
on the evening of April 19, 1943,

the eve of Pessach Passover.

It had to be a fight to the death.

SIMHA ROTTEM, known as “Kajik”

ITZHAK ZUCKERMANN, known as “Antek,"

2nd in command of the J.C.O.

I began drinking after the war.

It was very difficult.

Claude, you asked for my impression.

If you could lick my heart,

it would poison you.

At the request of Mordechai Anielewicz,

commander-in-chief of the J. C. O. ,

Antek had left the ghetto
6 days before the German attack.

His mission:

To ask Polish Resistance leaders
to arm the Jews.

They refused.

I don't think the human tongue
can describe

the horror we went through in the ghetto.

In the streets,
if you can call them that,

for nothing was left of the streets,

we had to step over heaps of corpses.

There was no room to pass beside them.

Besides fighting the Germans,
we fought hunger

and thirst.

We had no contact with the outside world,

we were completely isolated,
cut off from the world.

We were in such a state

that we could no longer understand

the very meaning of
why we went on fighting.

We thought of attempting a breakout

to the Aryan part of Warsaw,
outside the ghetto.

Just before May 1,

Sigmund and I were sent

to try to contact Antek in Aryan Warsaw.

We found a tunnel
under Bonifrateska Street

that led out into Aryan Warsaw.

Early in the morning,

we suddenly emerged
into a street in broad daylight.

Imagine us on that sunny May 1,

stunned to find ourselves in the street,
among normal people.

We'd come from another planet.

People immediately jumped on us

because we certainly looked exhausted,

skinny, in rags.

Around the ghetto,
there were always suspicious Poles

who grabbed Jews.

By a miracle, we escaped them.

In Aryan Warsaw,

life went on as naturally
and normally as before.

The cafes operated normally,

the restaurants, buses, streetcars...

The movies were open.

The ghetto was an isolated island
amid normal life.

Our job was to contact
Itzhak Zuckermann

to try to mount a rescue operation,

to try to save the few fighters

who might still be alive in the ghetto.

We managed to contact Zuckermann.

We found two sewer workers.

On the night of May 8-9,

we decided to return to the ghetto

with another buddy, Riszek,
and the 2 sewer workers.

After the curfew, we entered the sewers.

We were entirely
at the mercy of the two workmen,

since only they knew
the ghetto's underground layout.

Halfway there, they decided to turn back,

they tried to drop us,
and we had to threaten them with our guns.

We went on through the sewers,

until one of the workmen told us
we were under the ghetto.

Riszek guarded them
so they couldn't escape.

MILA 18.
J.C.O. BUNKER HEADQUARTERS

I raised the manhole cover

to go up into the ghetto.

At bunker Mila 18, I missed them by a day.

I had returned the night of May 8-9.

The Germans found the bunker
on the morning of the 8th.

WARSAW - THE MONUMENT
TO THE GHETTO FIGHTERS

Most of its survivors committed suicide,

or succumbed to gas in the bunkers.

THE REPLICA OF THE MONUMENT
TO THE GHETTO FIGHTERS

JERUSALEM

I went to bunker Franciszkanska 22.

There was no answer
when I yelled the password,

so I had to go on through the ghetto.

I suddenly heard a woman
calling from the ruins.

It was darkest night,
no lights, you saw nothing.

All the houses were in ruins,
and I heard only one voice.

I thought some evil spell
had been cast on me,

a woman's voice talking from the rubble.

I circled the ruins.

I didn't look at my watch,

but I must have spent
a half hour exploring,

trying to find the woman
whose voice guided me,

but, unfortunately, I didn't find her.

Were there fires?

Strictly speaking, no,
for the flames had died down,

but there was still smoke,

and that awful smell
of charred flesh

of people who had surely
been burned alive.

I continued on my way,

going to other bunkers
in search of fighting units,

but it was the same everywhere.

I'd give the password: “Jan.”

That's a Polish first name, Jan.

Right. And I got no answer.

I went from bunker to bunker,

and after walking for hours in the ghetto,

I went back toward the sewers.

Was he alone then?

Yes, I was alone all the time.

Except for that woman's voice,

and a man I met
as I came out of the sewers,

I was alone throughout my tour
of the ghetto.

Jeg opfyldte ikke en levende sjæl.

På et tidspunkt, jeg husker

føler en form for fred, eller sindsro,

da jeg sagde til mig selv, ”Jeg er den sidste Jøde.

Jeg vil vente til morgen
og for tyskerne.”