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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,891 There was just nothing to explain it, nothing. 2 00:00:01,891 --> 00:00:03,518 It was just very, very scary. 3 00:00:03,518 --> 00:00:06,188 Narrator: You are about to see real people-- 4 00:00:06,188 --> 00:00:06,937 This is not normal. 5 00:00:06,937 --> 00:00:12,485 Reliving horrifying paranormal encounters for the first time. 6 00:00:12,485 --> 00:00:14,487 We just sat there with our jaws dropped. 7 00:00:14,487 --> 00:00:16,822 We couldn't believe what we were seeing. 8 00:00:16,822 --> 00:00:17,532 (screaming) 9 00:00:17,532 --> 00:00:20,452 When spirits are intent on doing evil-- 10 00:00:20,452 --> 00:00:24,539 The basement is super old and creepy. 11 00:00:24,539 --> 00:00:27,500 I buried this for nearly 30 years. 12 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:30,753 Be prepared to be afraid. 13 00:00:30,753 --> 00:00:38,052 14 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:45,185 (typing) 15 00:00:45,185 --> 00:00:49,730 Story number 14 featuring Mandi, take 1. 16 00:00:49,730 --> 00:00:54,068 17 00:00:54,068 --> 00:00:55,735 My name is Mandi Lynn 18 00:00:55,735 --> 00:00:57,737 and I am co-owner of Liberty Tattoo 19 00:00:57,737 --> 00:00:59,823 in Libertyville, here in Antioch. 20 00:00:59,823 --> 00:01:04,912 We took over the building in May of 2007. 21 00:01:05,664 --> 00:01:08,916 !When we first saw the space, you !know, we'd realized the capstone 22 00:01:08,916 --> 00:01:12,337 on the outside said it was built in 1904. 23 00:01:12,337 --> 00:01:15,215 There's a lot of history in the building. 24 00:01:15,298 --> 00:01:16,966 When Mandi and Eric took over the space 25 00:01:16,966 --> 00:01:20,803 from a previous business, they didn't know renovations 26 00:01:20,803 --> 00:01:22,930 would stir up something terrifying. 27 00:01:22,930 --> 00:01:25,392 We would close at the end of the night. 28 00:01:25,392 --> 00:01:27,059 You know, we'd get in the next day 29 00:01:27,059 --> 00:01:30,770 and there's paintbrushes !missing or rollers missing or-- 30 00:01:30,770 --> 00:01:35,402 31 00:01:35,402 --> 00:01:37,987 The art that we bought came with glass in them, 32 00:01:37,987 --> 00:01:40,780 so we decided to put them behind the counters umm, 33 00:01:40,780 --> 00:01:44,703 and bolted them to the wall with the wiring to the frame like, 34 00:01:44,703 --> 00:01:47,037 umm, secured them to the wall. 35 00:01:47,037 --> 00:01:49,873 (glass smashing) The first plate glass picture had fallen off the wall 36 00:01:49,873 --> 00:01:51,251 and was down on the ground 37 00:01:51,251 --> 00:01:53,420 and the glass was busted everywhere. 38 00:01:53,420 --> 00:02:02,637 39 00:02:02,637 --> 00:02:05,640 Uhh, we just chalked it up as not being hung properly. 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,851 The next day when the second one was down umm, 41 00:02:08,851 --> 00:02:13,189 we knew that something else was going on. 42 00:02:13,189 --> 00:02:13,813 (glass smashing) 43 00:02:13,813 --> 00:02:16,693 And then it was the last picture that had glass in it, 44 00:02:16,693 --> 00:02:17,860 had come down and was broken. 45 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:20,238 We put it up right, there's no reason why 46 00:02:20,238 --> 00:02:22,782 it should've just fallen off the wall. 47 00:02:22,782 --> 00:02:25,327 48 00:02:25,327 --> 00:02:29,121 If they hoped that would be the end of the strangeness, 49 00:02:29,121 --> 00:02:30,830 they were wrong. 50 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:34,502 !When we opened for business and !the first thing that we noticed 51 00:02:34,502 --> 00:02:37,963 is that there were large male bear footprints 52 00:02:37,963 --> 00:02:41,967 on top of our display cases that are three and a half feet 53 00:02:41,967 --> 00:02:43,595 off of the ground. 54 00:02:43,595 --> 00:02:45,845 55 00:02:45,845 --> 00:02:47,307 I was trying to rack my brain 56 00:02:47,307 --> 00:02:49,892 who would've been walking bare foot on the floor, 57 00:02:49,892 --> 00:02:52,645 which would've been more reasonable than 58 00:02:52,645 --> 00:02:53,853 on top of the counter. 59 00:02:53,853 --> 00:02:57,983 Narrator: Mandi and Eric's employees were also effected. 60 00:02:58,858 --> 00:03:02,447 The boy employees just were terrified 61 00:03:02,447 --> 00:03:04,282 to come into the basement. 62 00:03:04,282 --> 00:03:11,664 63 00:03:11,664 --> 00:03:14,875 (creaking) We have stuff supplies down here that I'd have to send them 64 00:03:14,875 --> 00:03:17,877 downstairs in the basement to get and they would fight over, 65 00:03:17,877 --> 00:03:21,841 "no you go, no you go, I'm not going into the basement." 66 00:03:21,841 --> 00:03:23,802 67 00:03:23,802 --> 00:03:27,137 The basement is super old and creepy. 68 00:03:27,137 --> 00:03:32,435 There's a certain area !where the, uhh, concrete is dirt 69 00:03:32,435 --> 00:03:36,021 and it was either dug up or never filled in. 70 00:03:36,021 --> 00:03:38,400 And we found that to be very unusual 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,442 and wondered what's buried there. 72 00:03:39,442 --> 00:03:41,736 The first time I saw the whole in the floor, 73 00:03:41,736 --> 00:03:44,781 !I just was trying to figure out why you would pour concrete 74 00:03:44,781 --> 00:03:47,450 !everywhere else in this basement except for that one space 75 00:03:47,450 --> 00:03:52,580 and what was particularly special about one spot? 76 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:52,912 77 00:03:52,912 --> 00:03:55,708 Mandi and Eric discovered that they weren't the first people 78 00:03:55,708 --> 00:04:00,422 to encounter paranormal activity on the property. 79 00:04:00,422 --> 00:04:03,383 Actually, one of my neighbour's used to work in this space. 80 00:04:03,383 --> 00:04:06,428 She came in and we had metal ladders leaned up 81 00:04:06,428 --> 00:04:09,848 against the front door to the basement. 82 00:04:09,848 --> 00:04:10,055 83 00:04:10,055 --> 00:04:12,475 And she said, "You need to be careful because 84 00:04:12,475 --> 00:04:13,933 there's plate glass in that door." 85 00:04:13,933 --> 00:04:15,935 I said, "No, it's just wood, it's just paint." 86 00:04:15,935 --> 00:04:19,858 And she said, "No, we painted over the glass because Lloyd 87 00:04:19,858 --> 00:04:23,152 used to stare through the window, standing on the stairs 88 00:04:23,152 --> 00:04:24,320 and peer through that window." 89 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,281 And that was directly behind the counter 90 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:28,533 where all the employees sat. 91 00:04:28,533 --> 00:04:29,492 92 00:04:29,492 --> 00:04:31,327 So, she said, "We just painted the windows 93 00:04:31,327 --> 00:04:33,953 because it was freaking us out looking over there 94 00:04:33,953 --> 00:04:35,540 and seeing him standing there." 95 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:39,959 Made me a little creeped out knowing that he was here. 96 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:43,088 97 00:04:43,088 --> 00:04:47,302 To me it was very obvious that he likes women quite a bit. 98 00:04:47,302 --> 00:04:49,512 (tattoo pen buzzing) 99 00:04:49,512 --> 00:04:50,930 (ghostly breathing) 100 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:54,684 Even with myself, he would stand behind me and breathe. 101 00:04:56,976 --> 00:04:58,438 (tattoo pen buzzing) 102 00:04:58,438 --> 00:05:01,981 (ghostly breathing) 103 00:05:01,981 --> 00:05:03,860 Even with me sitting in my chair, 104 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:05,612 you could just feel him behind me. 105 00:05:05,612 --> 00:05:07,822 (ghostly breathing continues) 106 00:05:07,822 --> 00:05:11,576 (slow heartbeat) 107 00:05:11,576 --> 00:05:13,286 Oh but there were multiple times where customers, 108 00:05:13,286 --> 00:05:16,956 female customers would be across the room looking through flash, 109 00:05:16,956 --> 00:05:20,167 the tattoo flash racks and there's no one behind them 110 00:05:20,167 --> 00:05:22,629 and you could watch them go-- 111 00:05:23,421 --> 00:05:25,465 You know, and I'd say, "Are you okay?" 112 00:05:25,465 --> 00:05:27,090 And they're like, "Was there someone 113 00:05:27,090 --> 00:05:28,343 just standing behind me?" 114 00:05:28,343 --> 00:05:30,595 And I'm like, "No." 115 00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:38,017 The racks would just open one leaf 116 00:05:38,017 --> 00:05:40,855 at a time, very, very slowly. 117 00:05:41,564 --> 00:05:44,609 All by themselves until a particular sheet of flash 118 00:05:44,609 --> 00:05:47,445 was shown, which had a bunch of angels on them. 119 00:05:47,445 --> 00:05:50,740 Usually it was a female client would turn around in a panic 120 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:53,785 and look at us and we'd smile and wave and nod 121 00:05:53,785 --> 00:05:56,035 and, "Yeah, I see it too." 122 00:05:56,035 --> 00:06:03,043 123 00:06:03,043 --> 00:06:06,297 But after awhile it got to be a little bit much, 124 00:06:06,297 --> 00:06:08,048 so we put in cameras. 125 00:06:08,048 --> 00:06:09,592 126 00:06:09,592 --> 00:06:11,678 One day our employees called us and said, 127 00:06:11,678 --> 00:06:13,178 "What the hell happened here last night?" 128 00:06:13,178 --> 00:06:15,682 And he said, "There's a sign ripped off the wall, 129 00:06:15,682 --> 00:06:18,810 one of the pictures is down off the wall and the plant--" 130 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:22,061 which is a very large plant, in a very large planter 131 00:06:22,061 --> 00:06:24,063 was tipped completely over. 132 00:06:24,063 --> 00:06:25,024 133 00:06:25,024 --> 00:06:30,280 Umm, and my husband and I reviewed the security tapes. 134 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:34,492 At about 9:30 in the morning all at the same time, 135 00:06:34,492 --> 00:06:38,078 the sign to the handicap bathroom fell off the wall, 136 00:06:38,078 --> 00:06:41,541 ripping off the drywall sheeting with it, fell off the wall. 137 00:06:41,541 --> 00:06:42,917 The picture dropped off the wall 138 00:06:42,917 --> 00:06:45,084 and the plant and planter just tipped over. 139 00:06:45,084 --> 00:06:46,754 There was no one in the studio 140 00:06:46,754 --> 00:06:49,088 like our studio was not even open yet. 141 00:06:49,088 --> 00:06:50,425 The alarm was still set. 142 00:06:50,425 --> 00:06:53,386 A spirit may destroy somebody's belongings or hide them. 143 00:06:53,386 --> 00:06:54,554 Mostly it's to get their attention, 144 00:06:54,554 --> 00:06:57,640 to let them know they're there or that they want something 145 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,141 and you're not paying attention to them, 146 00:06:59,141 --> 00:07:02,312 they're gonna get your attention one way or another. 147 00:07:02,312 --> 00:07:04,230 148 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:07,984 Narrator: Soon Mandi would start seeing ghosts. 149 00:07:07,984 --> 00:07:10,445 150 00:07:10,445 --> 00:07:13,197 There is a little girl in here, a little girl spirit. 151 00:07:13,197 --> 00:07:16,701 The first couple times I saw her, she was just very playful. 152 00:07:16,701 --> 00:07:18,411 She would hide between the couches. 153 00:07:18,411 --> 00:07:21,789 She would play all over the studio. 154 00:07:21,789 --> 00:07:29,128 155 00:07:29,128 --> 00:07:31,173 I-I always have been a believer in paranormal. 156 00:07:31,173 --> 00:07:33,426 I've experienced too many things, seen too many things, 157 00:07:33,426 --> 00:07:38,348 felt too many things for me to say nothing else is going on. 158 00:07:38,348 --> 00:07:42,060 Narrator: But the little girl wasn't the only spirit 159 00:07:42,477 --> 00:07:46,064 and the others weren't harmless like her. 160 00:07:46,064 --> 00:07:47,774 161 00:07:47,774 --> 00:07:50,109 One day I was taking a nap. 162 00:07:50,109 --> 00:07:59,869 163 00:07:59,869 --> 00:08:02,372 (screaming) 164 00:08:02,372 --> 00:08:03,206 Oh my god. 165 00:08:03,206 --> 00:08:09,295 166 00:08:10,713 --> 00:08:19,389 167 00:08:19,389 --> 00:08:21,432 Mandi Lynn's new tattoo parlour was full 168 00:08:21,432 --> 00:08:27,146 of unexplained activity, strange presences, ghosts 169 00:08:27,146 --> 00:08:29,565 and falling objects. 170 00:08:29,565 --> 00:08:33,403 But no one had been physically attacked-- 171 00:08:33,403 --> 00:08:35,363 Yet. 172 00:08:35,363 --> 00:08:38,783 (screaming) And as I was sleeping I could feel I was being pulled 173 00:08:38,783 --> 00:08:40,702 by my feet down across the couch. 174 00:08:40,702 --> 00:08:41,911 Then when I opened my eyes 175 00:08:41,911 --> 00:08:43,496 I realized that there was no one there. 176 00:08:43,496 --> 00:08:47,207 There was just no one there but I could feel myself being pulled 177 00:08:47,207 --> 00:08:49,209 down the couch and that's when I freaked out. 178 00:08:49,209 --> 00:08:52,296 And my husband came flying into the room and he's like, 179 00:08:52,296 --> 00:08:53,214 "What the hell is wrong?" 180 00:08:53,214 --> 00:08:56,384 And I'm like, "That thing just drug me down the couch." 181 00:08:56,384 --> 00:08:57,844 And he's like, "Are you okay?" 182 00:08:57,844 --> 00:08:59,219 and I'm like, "Yes" "Are you hurt?" 183 00:08:59,219 --> 00:09:03,223 "No but a little freaked out, the thing can actually move me." 184 00:09:03,223 --> 00:09:07,103 185 00:09:07,103 --> 00:09:09,229 The attack prompts Mandi and Eric to bring 186 00:09:09,229 --> 00:09:12,984 in paranormal investigator, Bob Jenson. 187 00:09:12,984 --> 00:09:14,861 188 00:09:14,861 --> 00:09:18,448 So, we came in here looking to see if we had any high EMF's. 189 00:09:18,448 --> 00:09:21,451 We also used the audio recorders, digital recorders 190 00:09:21,451 --> 00:09:23,243 to see umm, what kind of audio 191 00:09:23,243 --> 00:09:26,206 we would be able to pick up down here. 192 00:09:26,206 --> 00:09:28,666 193 00:09:28,666 --> 00:09:31,627 Uhh, with different pictures that we took most of them 194 00:09:31,627 --> 00:09:34,214 came up on the full colour spectrum camera 195 00:09:34,214 --> 00:09:36,256 that we had anomalies that would pop up. 196 00:09:36,256 --> 00:09:39,844 We had a couple that showed up near a floodlight, 197 00:09:39,844 --> 00:09:43,223 there was actually a figure standing there. 198 00:09:43,223 --> 00:09:45,391 The pictures themselves were captured 199 00:09:45,391 --> 00:09:48,060 at the far end of the basement. 200 00:09:48,144 --> 00:09:56,444 Seeing the sheer size of Lloyd was very unnerving to-- 201 00:09:56,444 --> 00:09:59,614 I very much get the feeling that he's a sexual predator. 202 00:09:59,614 --> 00:10:02,825 And then to see him in that form was-- 203 00:10:03,868 --> 00:10:06,286 Made me very, very uncomfortable. 204 00:10:06,496 --> 00:10:09,081 It definitely has a uhh, male physique to it 205 00:10:09,081 --> 00:10:10,333 and there was a series of photographs. 206 00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:13,253 It looks like he's standing and then the next picture 207 00:10:13,253 --> 00:10:15,295 looks like he's going into a crouching position. 208 00:10:15,295 --> 00:10:18,424 Uhh, a couple more photos, it looks like he was sitting 209 00:10:18,424 --> 00:10:22,804 on umm, almost like a crate door box. 210 00:10:22,804 --> 00:10:23,888 (demonic laughter) 211 00:10:23,888 --> 00:10:30,436 It's creepy as hell.I mean, this was like uhh, more primal form just a male shape 212 00:10:30,436 --> 00:10:33,356 but very large, very powerful shape. 213 00:10:33,356 --> 00:10:37,902 Narrator: There was also audio !evidence of paranormal activity. 214 00:10:37,902 --> 00:10:41,322 On the audio recording, one was a little girls voice. 215 00:10:41,322 --> 00:10:44,992 Umm, the little girls voice was warning us she said, 216 00:10:44,992 --> 00:10:46,326 "Be careful, he's coming." 217 00:10:46,326 --> 00:10:49,329 You know, be careful he's coming, she kept saying, 218 00:10:49,329 --> 00:10:50,498 "Be careful." 219 00:10:50,706 --> 00:10:52,333 Bob decided to research the history of the building 220 00:10:52,333 --> 00:10:57,046 in an attempt to find some background on the entities. 221 00:10:57,046 --> 00:10:59,882 There were claims that there might've been uhh, 222 00:10:59,882 --> 00:11:01,342 different crimes that were committed 223 00:11:01,342 --> 00:11:02,593 at this particular property. 224 00:11:02,593 --> 00:11:05,388 But the crimes against women that might be tied in 225 00:11:05,388 --> 00:11:08,308 with this particular location that definitely goes back to the 226 00:11:08,308 --> 00:11:13,896 19 teens, umm maybe up until the 1930's or 1940's. 227 00:11:13,896 --> 00:11:16,356 For sure finding out the history and that umm, 228 00:11:16,356 --> 00:11:18,277 there was possible rape and killing down here 229 00:11:18,277 --> 00:11:20,695 made a lot of sense cause there's one particular spot 230 00:11:20,695 --> 00:11:24,241 in the basement that is very hard for women to be near 231 00:11:24,241 --> 00:11:27,367 without feeling very uncomfortable. And when you ask every single one of them kinda, 232 00:11:27,367 --> 00:11:31,455 "What are you feeling?" they feel kinda victimized sexually. 233 00:11:31,455 --> 00:11:33,333 (door creaks) 234 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:36,836 235 00:11:36,836 --> 00:11:41,924 (sinister laughter) 236 00:11:41,924 --> 00:11:43,801 With this building lie fieldstone, 237 00:11:43,801 --> 00:11:45,887 there's also limestone and quartz. 238 00:11:45,887 --> 00:11:48,806 And limestone, quartz have been reported 239 00:11:48,806 --> 00:11:51,391 to hold on to residual hauntings. 240 00:11:51,391 --> 00:11:54,394 This is definitely a good catalyst for holding on to 241 00:11:54,394 --> 00:11:57,397 and retaining a lot of information that's happened 242 00:11:57,397 --> 00:11:59,692 over numerous, numerous decades. 243 00:11:59,692 --> 00:12:02,612 With minerals such as Quartz, limestone things like that, 244 00:12:02,612 --> 00:12:05,698 not sure if it's an attraction for spirits 245 00:12:05,698 --> 00:12:08,618 but they can use the energies from those things, 246 00:12:08,618 --> 00:12:10,410 can also trap energy as well. 247 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:14,081 So, if a foundation is built upon these things it's-- 248 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:17,501 it could fuel more paranormal activity. 249 00:12:17,501 --> 00:12:19,545 250 00:12:19,545 --> 00:12:22,465 Narrator: Terrified of what Lloyd might do next, 251 00:12:22,465 --> 00:12:25,302 Mandi decided to take action. 252 00:12:25,302 --> 00:12:25,927 253 00:12:25,927 --> 00:12:28,804 !After the investigation we asked a couple of our friends 254 00:12:28,804 --> 00:12:31,849 who are spiritual healers and umm, work with energy 255 00:12:31,849 --> 00:12:36,020 to come into the space and help us try and clear out 256 00:12:36,020 --> 00:12:37,647 the energy that was here. 257 00:12:37,647 --> 00:12:45,197 258 00:12:45,197 --> 00:12:48,200 We had a couple people come in that used sage sticks 259 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,118 and smudge sticks and just asked the entities 260 00:12:51,118 --> 00:12:52,662 if there was something that they needed 261 00:12:52,662 --> 00:12:55,455 or if there was some help that we could give 262 00:12:55,455 --> 00:12:57,875 them to move to another place. 263 00:12:57,875 --> 00:13:06,426 264 00:13:06,426 --> 00:13:08,594 (indistinct deep muttering) 265 00:13:08,594 --> 00:13:17,477 266 00:13:17,477 --> 00:13:23,776 (whispering) 267 00:13:24,902 --> 00:13:25,861 The cleansing worked. 268 00:13:25,861 --> 00:13:29,282 I don't think the little girl was here any longer at all. 269 00:13:29,282 --> 00:13:31,617 I think Lloyd hung out a little longer. 270 00:13:31,617 --> 00:13:33,828 It took him a little longer to move on. 271 00:13:33,828 --> 00:13:37,497 I find it very important that we had the space cleansed 272 00:13:37,497 --> 00:13:40,377 and the spirits cleared because I don't know if 273 00:13:40,377 --> 00:13:41,336 I would've been comfortable staying 274 00:13:41,336 --> 00:13:44,214 or any of the other employee's would've been comfortable 275 00:13:44,214 --> 00:13:45,881 staying much longer. 276 00:13:45,881 --> 00:13:49,593 277 00:13:49,593 --> 00:13:51,511 They will never know what evil acts 278 00:13:51,511 --> 00:13:54,140 Lloyd committed in his earthly life. 279 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:55,183 280 00:13:55,183 --> 00:13:57,893 But not all spirits are like that-- 281 00:13:57,893 --> 00:14:00,688 some can turn evil if they think the living 282 00:14:00,688 --> 00:14:03,191 are encroaching on their territory. 283 00:14:03,191 --> 00:14:06,526 284 00:14:06,526 --> 00:14:10,990 (typing) 285 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:19,165 Story number 18 featuring Tammy, take 1. 286 00:14:19,165 --> 00:14:27,131 287 00:14:27,131 --> 00:14:31,344 We bought the house in 2003. 288 00:14:31,344 --> 00:14:32,928 289 00:14:32,928 --> 00:14:34,554 Here we are. 290 00:14:34,554 --> 00:14:37,225 The feeling we got when we went in, 291 00:14:37,225 --> 00:14:40,560 it was just a positive feeling. 292 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,065 In the beginning, we just kinda knew that, 293 00:14:44,065 --> 00:14:46,401 that was the place to be. 294 00:14:46,401 --> 00:14:47,610 All right, let's get to work. 295 00:14:47,610 --> 00:14:51,239 It was a small community, we knew umm, 296 00:14:51,239 --> 00:14:54,658 we were going to try and have a child. 297 00:14:54,658 --> 00:14:59,747 !Tammy's positive feelings about the house did not last long. 298 00:14:59,747 --> 00:15:03,251 (thunder rumbling) 299 00:15:03,251 --> 00:15:06,586 Probably about a week after we moved in 300 00:15:06,586 --> 00:15:12,176 and my husband was alone in the house for the first time-- 301 00:15:12,176 --> 00:15:17,474 302 00:15:17,474 --> 00:15:18,140 (rustling) 303 00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:22,602 He said that he heard a banging on the wall 304 00:15:22,602 --> 00:15:24,688 coming closer and closer. 305 00:15:24,688 --> 00:15:25,648 Hello? 306 00:15:25,648 --> 00:15:35,658 307 00:15:37,617 --> 00:15:46,961 308 00:15:46,961 --> 00:15:49,004 Narrator: Tammy Northcutt and her husband Jerry 309 00:15:49,004 --> 00:15:51,841 had recently moved into a new home. 310 00:15:51,841 --> 00:15:53,175 311 00:15:53,175 --> 00:15:53,676 (banging) 312 00:15:53,676 --> 00:15:58,390 Within the first week they were hearing strange noises. 313 00:15:58,390 --> 00:16:00,225 314 00:16:00,225 --> 00:16:04,644 Tammy: He said that he heard a banging on the wall 315 00:16:04,644 --> 00:16:06,439 coming closer. 316 00:16:06,439 --> 00:16:07,315 317 00:16:07,315 --> 00:16:09,192 There was nothing there. 318 00:16:09,649 --> 00:16:13,280 Narrator: Next it was Tammy's turn to start hearing things. 319 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:19,659 In the middle of the night, umm, I got up cause I heard arguing 320 00:16:19,659 --> 00:16:23,080 and I didn't know where it was coming from. 321 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:33,048 (indistinct yelling) 322 00:16:33,048 --> 00:16:37,677 But we've got a vent that's in our living room umm, 323 00:16:37,677 --> 00:16:38,555 a heater vent. 324 00:16:38,555 --> 00:16:43,683 And umm, you could tell that it was coming up from there. 325 00:16:43,683 --> 00:16:48,440 (arguing) 326 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:48,731 (creaking) 327 00:16:48,731 --> 00:16:52,692 !We would go down to the basement to find out what was going on. 328 00:16:52,692 --> 00:16:55,695 (arguing continues) 329 00:16:55,695 --> 00:16:57,697 We could never see anything. 330 00:16:57,697 --> 00:17:01,578 It was just, constantly just there, you know, 331 00:17:01,578 --> 00:17:02,702 but there was nothing-- 332 00:17:02,702 --> 00:17:04,788 There was nothing, you couldn't see anything 333 00:17:04,788 --> 00:17:06,706 but you could hear it. 334 00:17:06,706 --> 00:17:10,545 335 00:17:10,545 --> 00:17:18,637 !When we umm, were in the bedroom umm, we would hear violin music 336 00:17:18,637 --> 00:17:22,722 whenever the umm, heater would kick on. 337 00:17:22,722 --> 00:17:27,687 (violin plays) 338 00:17:27,687 --> 00:17:31,857 It was beautiful classical music but umm, 339 00:17:31,857 --> 00:17:34,860 we just never knew where it was coming from. 340 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:36,736 (violin plays) 341 00:17:36,736 --> 00:17:41,909 At first we were really afraid of you know, what is going on? 342 00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:46,746 Cause we didn't know what was going on, what was happening. 343 00:17:46,746 --> 00:17:48,832 The objective of spirits making themselves known 344 00:17:48,832 --> 00:17:50,000 could be a number of things, 345 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,003 could be a they have a message they wanna pass on, 346 00:17:53,003 --> 00:17:55,215 others don't know they're passed on so they're trying 347 00:17:55,215 --> 00:17:59,759 to interact or they're trying to be a part of the living world. 348 00:17:59,927 --> 00:18:03,973 Unsure of where to turn, the couple suffered in silence-- 349 00:18:03,973 --> 00:18:07,519 Until help came from an unlikely source. 350 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:09,688 351 00:18:09,688 --> 00:18:12,772 There was a shop umm, downtown Jamesville. 352 00:18:12,772 --> 00:18:17,279 W-We met umm, the couple, we were talking about the 353 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:22,659 house and they overheard us talking and they said, 354 00:18:22,659 --> 00:18:23,784 "We can help." 355 00:18:24,118 --> 00:18:26,329 (sage burning) 356 00:18:26,329 --> 00:18:29,666 They said that they could come bless the house. 357 00:18:29,666 --> 00:18:36,922 (sage burning) 358 00:18:36,922 --> 00:18:42,429 They blessed the house and the things stopped for awhile. 359 00:18:42,429 --> 00:18:44,306 (birds chirping) 360 00:18:44,306 --> 00:18:47,475 Narrator: The house seemed finally to be at peace. 361 00:18:47,475 --> 00:18:50,810 362 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:56,276 !18 months later, Tammy and Jerry had their first child, Connor. 363 00:18:56,276 --> 00:19:01,573 As soon as my son was born it started up again. 364 00:19:01,573 --> 00:19:02,948 (creaking) 365 00:19:02,948 --> 00:19:04,158 The knocking. 366 00:19:05,285 --> 00:19:07,620 (cupboards slamming) 367 00:19:07,620 --> 00:19:10,830 (creaking) 368 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:13,293 The cabinet doors in the kitchen umm, 369 00:19:13,293 --> 00:19:18,715 you could hear open and close and umm-- 370 00:19:18,715 --> 00:19:23,303 Well, the basement door started opening and closing. 371 00:19:23,303 --> 00:19:27,056 My son's door was opening and closing. 372 00:19:27,056 --> 00:19:29,016 It started to kick up again. 373 00:19:29,016 --> 00:19:31,852 The mysterious events in the house continued until after 374 00:19:31,852 --> 00:19:35,440 Connor's second birthday then they became 375 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,857 more and more sinister. 376 00:19:37,857 --> 00:19:40,236 377 00:19:40,236 --> 00:19:43,947 Connor started seeing something on his bed 378 00:19:43,947 --> 00:19:47,202 that he referred to as Mr. Raider. 379 00:19:47,202 --> 00:19:49,746 (Connor crying) 380 00:19:49,746 --> 00:19:56,378 He would tell me that, "I need to get Mr. Raider off the bed." 381 00:19:56,378 --> 00:19:57,044 (Connor crying) 382 00:19:57,044 --> 00:19:59,879 I would look I could not see anything. 383 00:19:59,879 --> 00:20:01,424 384 00:20:01,424 --> 00:20:03,843 But I knew he wasn't making it up. 385 00:20:03,843 --> 00:20:08,681 You could just tell how just scared he was. 386 00:20:09,432 --> 00:20:13,686 !Soon Connor began to experience another unwelcomed guest. 387 00:20:13,686 --> 00:20:16,606 388 00:20:16,606 --> 00:20:17,898 (Connor whining) 389 00:20:17,898 --> 00:20:22,111 An old woman would appear and shake his bed at two a.m. 390 00:20:22,111 --> 00:20:22,862 391 00:20:22,862 --> 00:20:25,615 That's when he would come running to our room 392 00:20:25,615 --> 00:20:27,784 about two a.m. 393 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:28,326 (Connor screaming) 394 00:20:28,326 --> 00:20:32,288 It got to the point where he just refused 395 00:20:32,288 --> 00:20:34,290 to go into the room. 396 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:35,915 (crying) 397 00:20:35,915 --> 00:20:38,294 Not being able to do anything about it 398 00:20:38,294 --> 00:20:41,297 cause I could not see what he was seeing. 399 00:20:41,297 --> 00:20:45,008 Umm, I could only listen and I could only comfort 400 00:20:45,008 --> 00:20:47,595 but I couldn't fix it for him. 401 00:20:47,595 --> 00:20:51,014 So that was really upsetting for me. 402 00:20:51,891 --> 00:20:53,768 Spirits can be drawn to young children. 403 00:20:53,768 --> 00:20:56,354 Young children don't have the same blocks as adults, 404 00:20:56,354 --> 00:20:58,398 they're more creative, they're more open 405 00:20:58,398 --> 00:20:59,649 to what's going on around them. 406 00:20:59,649 --> 00:21:03,068 They don't have so many hang-ups and so many blocks. 407 00:21:03,068 --> 00:21:05,945 So, it's easier for a spirit to communicate with a child 408 00:21:05,945 --> 00:21:10,743 cause a child will just take it at face value and interact. 409 00:21:10,743 --> 00:21:15,915 My husbands mother had passed away before Connor was born 410 00:21:15,915 --> 00:21:20,712 but we do have a picture of her and he kept on looking 411 00:21:20,712 --> 00:21:25,300 at her picture and he asked me to tell her to stop 412 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,761 waking him up in the middle of the night. 413 00:21:28,761 --> 00:21:33,391 414 00:21:33,391 --> 00:21:33,974 (creaking) 415 00:21:33,974 --> 00:21:36,769 Narrator: However, Tammy was powerless when events 416 00:21:36,769 --> 00:21:38,978 took a worrying new turn. 417 00:21:38,978 --> 00:21:41,981 418 00:21:41,981 --> 00:21:42,567 (door slams) 419 00:21:42,567 --> 00:21:46,986 I heard the door close and Connor was in the room. 420 00:21:46,986 --> 00:21:48,030 Conner? 421 00:21:48,030 --> 00:21:49,407 And-- 422 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,202 I was frantic. 423 00:21:52,202 --> 00:21:53,578 Connor! 424 00:21:53,578 --> 00:21:54,496 Hey! 425 00:21:54,496 --> 00:21:56,163 (banging) 426 00:21:56,163 --> 00:21:59,999 I didn't know what to do, I couldn't get the door open 427 00:21:59,999 --> 00:22:00,585 and I just-- 428 00:22:00,585 --> 00:22:03,546 My son was in there and I had to get to him 429 00:22:03,546 --> 00:22:07,006 and I was actually gonna call the fire department 430 00:22:07,006 --> 00:22:09,594 to have them come remove the door. 431 00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:12,639 I was-- I was so scared. 432 00:22:13,012 --> 00:22:19,812 And the door clicked and I reached and I turned the knob 433 00:22:19,812 --> 00:22:24,023 and it opened and I was able to get him out. 434 00:22:24,023 --> 00:22:26,025 435 00:22:26,025 --> 00:22:28,530 After that umm-- 436 00:22:28,530 --> 00:22:34,033 We took the handle off the door so it could no longer latch. 437 00:22:34,033 --> 00:22:36,913 Frustrated and unable to explain the strange events 438 00:22:36,913 --> 00:22:40,039 in their home, Tammy and her husband reached 439 00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:42,835 out for help a second time. 440 00:22:42,835 --> 00:22:47,257 I've been investigating since the 90's about 1997. 441 00:22:47,257 --> 00:22:49,342 442 00:22:49,342 --> 00:22:52,303 They were scared, they really were. 443 00:22:52,303 --> 00:22:56,055 444 00:22:56,055 --> 00:22:58,100 (ghostly whisper) 445 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,060 Our first investigation there probably produced 446 00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:05,191 the most evidence out of any single one investigation 447 00:23:05,191 --> 00:23:07,193 we've ever done anywhere. 448 00:23:07,193 --> 00:23:10,069 449 00:23:10,069 --> 00:23:11,489 (ghostly whisper) 450 00:23:11,489 --> 00:23:12,574 451 00:23:12,574 --> 00:23:17,328 Throughout the night, we had what we call "Class C EVP's". 452 00:23:17,328 --> 00:23:20,080 Electronic Voice Phenomenon. 453 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,418 But there were sometimes what we got 454 00:23:23,418 --> 00:23:26,128 what we call "Class A EVP's." 455 00:23:26,128 --> 00:23:30,089 Where we could hear exactly what it was saying. 456 00:23:30,089 --> 00:23:32,218 Ghost: Come get us. 457 00:23:32,218 --> 00:23:34,679 Stop saying that. 458 00:23:34,679 --> 00:23:37,181 459 00:23:37,181 --> 00:23:38,725 Get out. 460 00:23:38,725 --> 00:23:40,099 Laura: Get out. 461 00:23:40,099 --> 00:23:41,436 Come get us. 462 00:23:41,436 --> 00:23:42,353 Stop saying that. 463 00:23:42,353 --> 00:23:45,104 We had something we thought growled at us. 464 00:23:45,104 --> 00:23:48,107 (deep growl) 465 00:23:48,107 --> 00:23:50,109 And all of the sudden we hear-- 466 00:23:50,109 --> 00:23:52,822 (demonic barking) 467 00:23:52,822 --> 00:23:54,032 468 00:23:54,032 --> 00:23:56,534 Our first impression was that we were dealing 469 00:23:56,534 --> 00:23:58,786 with something very negative. 470 00:23:58,786 --> 00:24:02,957 This thing is saying I'm the boss here. 471 00:24:02,957 --> 00:24:05,960 472 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,798 A few days later, the entity took things to the next level. 473 00:24:10,798 --> 00:24:12,132 474 00:24:12,132 --> 00:24:16,512 I felt somebody choke me. 475 00:24:16,512 --> 00:24:19,265 There was-- There was pressure on my neck. 476 00:24:19,265 --> 00:24:25,438 477 00:24:26,939 --> 00:24:35,490 478 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:38,826 !Tammy Northcutt and her husband had started to investigate 479 00:24:38,826 --> 00:24:41,454 the strange events in their home. 480 00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:45,917 Their son Connor was being traumatized. 481 00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:49,879 And now, things were about to escalate further. 482 00:24:51,005 --> 00:24:55,009 I felt somebody choke me. 483 00:24:55,009 --> 00:24:55,468 There was-- 484 00:24:55,468 --> 00:24:57,176 There was pressure on my neck. 485 00:24:57,176 --> 00:25:00,598 And it felt like there was hands around my neck, 486 00:25:00,598 --> 00:25:03,183 like I was being strangled. 487 00:25:03,183 --> 00:25:03,893 488 00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:04,227 Baby, hey! 489 00:25:04,227 --> 00:25:07,897 And it was almost like I was being pushed into the bed 490 00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:11,191 but umm, and then I felt like a release 491 00:25:11,191 --> 00:25:13,403 and I was able to sit up. 492 00:25:13,403 --> 00:25:15,196 But umm-- 493 00:25:15,196 --> 00:25:17,740 It was-- It was awful. 494 00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:20,702 It was an awful feeling. 495 00:25:21,494 --> 00:25:23,329 And that frightened me. 496 00:25:23,329 --> 00:25:23,955 I was-- 497 00:25:23,955 --> 00:25:28,835 I was ready to pack up and just leave right then and there. 498 00:25:28,835 --> 00:25:32,255 Narrator: Tammy asked the paranormal group to come back. 499 00:25:32,255 --> 00:25:37,217 This time they brought Paul, they're most gifted psychic. 500 00:25:37,217 --> 00:25:41,347 He came over and he was getting messages already 501 00:25:41,347 --> 00:25:44,267 from before he even got to our house. 502 00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:48,104 He drew a picture of our house. 503 00:25:48,104 --> 00:25:52,984 It was amazing that he even drew it before he got to our house. 504 00:25:52,984 --> 00:25:54,485 It was incredible. 505 00:25:54,485 --> 00:26:01,242 506 00:26:01,242 --> 00:26:04,746 !The first thing that Paul picked up on was that the house 507 00:26:04,746 --> 00:26:08,124 had once been a CD drinking den. 508 00:26:08,124 --> 00:26:09,249 Laura: He's talking about this-- 509 00:26:09,249 --> 00:26:13,253 This place being, you know, where there's drunk people 510 00:26:13,253 --> 00:26:19,259 and he makes the sound of one guy that just continually goes, 511 00:26:19,259 --> 00:26:21,261 "Argh, argh, argh!" 512 00:26:21,261 --> 00:26:24,264 And I about fell off my stool when he did that 513 00:26:24,264 --> 00:26:27,518 because it sounded just like what we heard. 514 00:26:28,102 --> 00:26:31,271 And I was floored, he also said that there's another guy 515 00:26:31,271 --> 00:26:33,775 that likes to play tricks. 516 00:26:33,775 --> 00:26:39,530 And he's hitting the wall or the ceiling causing knocking. 517 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:45,245 And we had rhythmic knocking in our evidence. 518 00:26:45,369 --> 00:26:48,664 And Paul couldn't have known any of that. 519 00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:53,294 Our biggest question was, who was saying, "Come get us"? 520 00:26:53,294 --> 00:26:56,422 And who told us to get out? 521 00:26:56,422 --> 00:27:00,300 I was telling him about where Connor was seeing Mr. Raider. 522 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:07,350 I-I showed him the room and he told us it wasn't Mr. Raider 523 00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:09,644 it was Mr. Reader. 524 00:27:09,644 --> 00:27:11,271 And he-- 525 00:27:11,271 --> 00:27:17,317 In the 1930's umm, there was like a traveler's lodge 526 00:27:17,317 --> 00:27:21,321 that sat where our house is now. 527 00:27:21,321 --> 00:27:26,410 He said Mr. Reader owned the hotel. 528 00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:29,206 529 00:27:29,206 --> 00:27:32,625 And Paul's theory is that Mr. Reader is hanging out 530 00:27:32,625 --> 00:27:37,672 in the master bedroom area and he's not a very nice guy. 531 00:27:37,672 --> 00:27:42,635 And he's probably the one that told us to get out. 532 00:27:42,635 --> 00:27:44,762 Narrator: It seemed like it was Mr. Reader 533 00:27:44,762 --> 00:27:47,515 who was threating Connor and Tammy. 534 00:27:48,348 --> 00:27:54,647 From what we found out with umm, Paul, Mr. Reader umm-- 535 00:27:56,065 --> 00:28:01,112 Felt that women were second class citizens, basically. 536 00:28:01,112 --> 00:28:02,488 He umm-- 537 00:28:02,655 --> 00:28:05,741 I feel it was him trying to get me out of the room. 538 00:28:05,741 --> 00:28:10,371 I think he was trying to scare me to get out of the house. 539 00:28:10,913 --> 00:28:12,372 And it worked. 540 00:28:12,372 --> 00:28:15,501 541 00:28:15,501 --> 00:28:19,088 He started talking to Mr. Reader. 542 00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:21,883 As he was explaining to Mr. Reader that 543 00:28:21,883 --> 00:28:25,469 this was a different time, women are equal. 544 00:28:25,469 --> 00:28:30,309 The light started to brighten up in the room 545 00:28:31,392 --> 00:28:33,686 and it felt lighter in the room. 546 00:28:33,686 --> 00:28:39,650 And now, I don't have that negative feeling anymore, 547 00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:40,943 that's gone. 548 00:28:41,444 --> 00:28:44,364 Paul had cleansed the negative spirit 549 00:28:44,364 --> 00:28:47,326 but still had some questions. 550 00:28:47,326 --> 00:28:50,410 He asked Jerry, umm-- 551 00:28:50,410 --> 00:28:53,831 What the name Dell meant. 552 00:28:53,831 --> 00:29:01,839 He said, "Well, it's Della, that was mom, she had passed away." 553 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:02,715 554 00:29:02,715 --> 00:29:07,427 And that's who was following Connor around. 555 00:29:07,427 --> 00:29:10,430 The female spirit who had !been waking Connor in the night, 556 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:14,602 Tammy's mother in law, !wasn't trying to frighten Connor 557 00:29:14,602 --> 00:29:17,480 but instead, to protect him. 558 00:29:17,563 --> 00:29:20,317 It was her voice that Tammy heard amongst 559 00:29:20,317 --> 00:29:22,610 the arguing in the basement. 560 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:23,443 561 00:29:23,443 --> 00:29:26,906 I actually kinda felt a little comforted knowing 562 00:29:26,906 --> 00:29:29,909 that she was looking out for him. 563 00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:33,913 First of all, we tell the people that we work with that they 564 00:29:33,913 --> 00:29:36,165 have to take control over their house. 565 00:29:36,165 --> 00:29:42,463 So, Tammy for example, would tell whatever was there, 566 00:29:42,463 --> 00:29:45,091 "This is my house, get out!" 567 00:29:45,091 --> 00:29:47,467 Well, she's learned now that there's certain spirits 568 00:29:47,467 --> 00:29:48,636 that she wants to keep there 569 00:29:48,636 --> 00:29:53,308 but you have to take control of your own place. 570 00:29:53,308 --> 00:29:58,104 Every once and awhile you'll still hear the door in the back 571 00:29:58,104 --> 00:30:02,483 and the heavy footsteps going down the stairs. 572 00:30:02,483 --> 00:30:03,609 Umm-- 573 00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:08,531 But knowing what I know now because of Paul umm, 574 00:30:08,531 --> 00:30:13,119 I do feel better knowing that umm-- 575 00:30:13,911 --> 00:30:17,497 It's just you know, basically just the sounds of the men 576 00:30:17,497 --> 00:30:23,129 going into the bar cause that's where the basement was, the bar. 577 00:30:23,129 --> 00:30:24,504 Umm-- 578 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:30,510 And kinda knowing that umm, I'm not going to get harmed, 579 00:30:30,510 --> 00:30:36,058 !I'm not going to get hurt, that !makes me feel more comfortable. 580 00:30:36,058 --> 00:30:39,645 581 00:30:40,188 --> 00:30:43,275 582 00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:45,735 One of the more unusual reasons for ghosts harbouring 583 00:30:45,735 --> 00:30:49,529 evil intentions toward the living is that they died 584 00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:51,283 in tragic circumstances-- 585 00:30:51,283 --> 00:30:56,329 And they want they're living !victims to suffer the same fate. 586 00:30:56,329 --> 00:30:58,538 587 00:30:58,538 --> 00:31:03,211 (typing) 588 00:31:04,086 --> 00:31:05,171 Paranormal Survivor 2. 589 00:31:05,171 --> 00:31:06,797 Michael's haunted apartment. 590 00:31:06,797 --> 00:31:09,509 Story number 4, take 1. 591 00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:14,347 592 00:31:14,347 --> 00:31:19,810 It was 2005 and a couple friends of mine uhh, long time friends 593 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:22,562 bought a building that had, had a fire. 594 00:31:22,562 --> 00:31:24,857 Uhh, and they decided to renovate it. 595 00:31:24,857 --> 00:31:26,650 Narrator: After his friends finished renovating 596 00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:29,862 the burned out building, they offered to rent 597 00:31:29,862 --> 00:31:32,449 Michael one of the apartments. 598 00:31:32,449 --> 00:31:34,617 599 00:31:34,617 --> 00:31:39,579 When I moved in I felt cozy and it was-- 600 00:31:39,579 --> 00:31:41,040 It was a comfortable little place, 601 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,627 I thought something I could live in for awhile. 602 00:31:44,627 --> 00:31:46,879 My thought exactly, look around. 603 00:31:46,879 --> 00:31:51,634 I actually, had my stepson living with me at the time, 604 00:31:51,634 --> 00:31:54,011 my kids would come over on the weekends. 605 00:31:54,011 --> 00:31:57,640 Umm, so it was a small apartment. 606 00:31:58,099 --> 00:32:00,600 But that was it, just him and I. 607 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,647 Narrator: That feeling of coziness did not last long. 608 00:32:04,647 --> 00:32:07,607 609 00:32:07,607 --> 00:32:12,612 (creaking) 610 00:32:12,612 --> 00:32:19,078 The strangeness in the apartment started about three days in. 611 00:32:20,871 --> 00:32:24,624 (creaking) 612 00:32:24,624 --> 00:32:28,671 We started hearing the cabinet doors in the kitchen. 613 00:32:28,671 --> 00:32:33,008 (banging) 614 00:32:33,008 --> 00:32:35,220 Like someone was opening them just enough 615 00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:37,637 so they'd tap, tap, tap. 616 00:32:37,637 --> 00:32:39,723 (tapping) 617 00:32:39,723 --> 00:32:45,104 618 00:32:45,104 --> 00:32:48,648 (creaking) 619 00:32:48,648 --> 00:32:58,658 (banging) 620 00:32:58,784 --> 00:33:00,660 So, I went in to check it out, 621 00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:03,663 I could never find out what was going on. 622 00:33:03,663 --> 00:33:07,667 Umm, I had an exterminator come and cause I thought maybe 623 00:33:07,667 --> 00:33:09,837 there was mice or something but there wasn't. 624 00:33:09,837 --> 00:33:13,466 So, I had no explanation for it at that point. 625 00:33:13,466 --> 00:33:19,679 626 00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:23,893 It was shortly after that !other things started to happen. 627 00:33:23,893 --> 00:33:26,686 628 00:33:26,686 --> 00:33:30,816 (rock music blaring) 629 00:33:30,816 --> 00:33:35,695 The stereo would blast on at 3:20 in the morning 630 00:33:35,695 --> 00:33:40,159 every single morning and it would be full blast. 631 00:33:41,328 --> 00:33:45,457 I thought maybe my son was goofing around with me, 632 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:46,541 turning it on. 633 00:33:46,541 --> 00:33:55,550 (rock music continues) 634 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:57,717 Then with everything else that was going on 635 00:33:57,717 --> 00:34:00,930 I started to believe him that he wasn't. 636 00:34:04,724 --> 00:34:07,520 It would be so loud that you know, 637 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,147 I'm thinking I'm gonna get kicked out of here. 638 00:34:10,147 --> 00:34:12,525 What's going on, you did this? 639 00:34:12,732 --> 00:34:16,736 My son was about 12 years old at the time. 640 00:34:16,736 --> 00:34:17,737 He was scared, he was-- 641 00:34:17,737 --> 00:34:19,156 He was a little terrified about it, 642 00:34:19,156 --> 00:34:23,743 I mean, he doesn't even to this day really talk about it much. 643 00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:29,376 The electric would go on and off, it would flicker and umm, 644 00:34:29,376 --> 00:34:32,504 just weird things we'd hear banging on the wall. 645 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:34,754 And just, there was no reason for it. 646 00:34:34,754 --> 00:34:37,717 I was the only apartment on that end, 647 00:34:37,717 --> 00:34:39,552 so nobody could bang on the walls. 648 00:34:39,552 --> 00:34:41,011 So, we started to figure out 649 00:34:41,011 --> 00:34:43,763 that something strange was going on. 650 00:34:44,890 --> 00:34:47,101 There was three different times that 651 00:34:47,101 --> 00:34:50,313 I would try to look up the history of this building 652 00:34:50,313 --> 00:34:53,148 to find out what might have happened. 653 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:58,738 And every time I would type in to start looking 654 00:34:58,738 --> 00:35:00,780 my computer would drop off. 655 00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:01,199 656 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:04,411 Nothing else would die all the rest of the power stayed 657 00:35:04,411 --> 00:35:07,121 on just the computer would go off. 658 00:35:07,121 --> 00:35:07,787 659 00:35:07,787 --> 00:35:08,788 It was a brand new computer, 660 00:35:08,788 --> 00:35:11,626 I brought it into the service guy three different times. 661 00:35:11,626 --> 00:35:14,754 He finally yelled at me and told me don't come back 662 00:35:14,754 --> 00:35:17,340 cause there was nothing wrong with it. 663 00:35:17,797 --> 00:35:19,967 Something in the building was hampering Michael's 664 00:35:19,967 --> 00:35:23,305 attempt to investigate it's history. 665 00:35:23,305 --> 00:35:31,103 666 00:35:32,689 --> 00:35:41,698 667 00:35:41,698 --> 00:35:45,243 !Michael Vera was having strange experiences after moving 668 00:35:45,243 --> 00:35:49,539 into a building that had been renovated due to a fire. 669 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:55,420 At first I didn't make any connection to the fire at all, 670 00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:56,254 I just thought-- 671 00:35:56,254 --> 00:35:58,381 I thought our minds were playing with us. 672 00:35:58,381 --> 00:36:01,343 So, I thought that you know, that we were missing something 673 00:36:01,343 --> 00:36:03,843 that you know, at some point we were gonna say, 674 00:36:03,843 --> 00:36:07,807 "Ahh, that's what it was" and laugh about it. 675 00:36:08,932 --> 00:36:11,186 (screaming) 676 00:36:11,186 --> 00:36:17,734 677 00:36:17,734 --> 00:36:21,446 I had rented a movie and in this movie in the end 678 00:36:21,446 --> 00:36:24,864 there was extras and it showed how to do EVP's 679 00:36:24,864 --> 00:36:26,866 so we thought well, let's try it. 680 00:36:26,866 --> 00:36:30,870 Narrator: EVP or electronic voice phenomena are believed 681 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:33,208 to be a means of recording communications 682 00:36:33,208 --> 00:36:35,418 with the spirit world. 683 00:36:35,418 --> 00:36:39,879 684 00:36:39,879 --> 00:36:44,427 One night after recording we picked something up. 685 00:36:45,220 --> 00:36:46,596 Sit down. 686 00:36:47,887 --> 00:36:52,976 Put in a new one and listen in. 687 00:36:52,976 --> 00:36:54,813 Here we go. 688 00:37:00,901 --> 00:37:04,113 (demonic growling) 689 00:37:04,113 --> 00:37:07,200 What we uhh, got first was like growling. 690 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,911 We'd hear growling like uhh, arghhhh. 691 00:37:10,911 --> 00:37:14,914 Kinda like demonic type uhh, growls. 692 00:37:14,914 --> 00:37:17,460 And my son at one point said, 693 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:20,003 "Go to the light, go to the light." 694 00:37:20,003 --> 00:37:21,798 You know? 695 00:37:21,798 --> 00:37:23,923 696 00:37:23,923 --> 00:37:25,760 (unearthly whispering) 697 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,388 Get away from the light. 698 00:37:28,888 --> 00:37:33,933 We could hear like a mans !voice, demonic type mans voice. 699 00:37:33,933 --> 00:37:37,937 I start picking and poking trying to make them mad. 700 00:37:37,937 --> 00:37:41,150 And I said uhh, " Oh, I'm gonna have a cigarette." 701 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:44,320 I had said uhh, "Do you want a cigarette." 702 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,907 I said, "You can't have any, you're dead." 703 00:37:47,907 --> 00:37:50,075 And when we played the tape back 704 00:37:50,075 --> 00:37:53,954 this little girl on the tape said, "So, who cares?" 705 00:37:53,954 --> 00:37:56,332 And it was as clear as day. 706 00:37:56,332 --> 00:37:58,501 Girl: So, who cares? 707 00:37:58,501 --> 00:38:02,962 And I'm thinking, little girl on the other side that don't care-- 708 00:38:02,962 --> 00:38:04,591 This is dangerous. 709 00:38:04,591 --> 00:38:08,720 710 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,055 My hair just stuck up on end, I couldn't believe it. 711 00:38:12,055 --> 00:38:14,517 I said, "Wow, this is real." 712 00:38:14,517 --> 00:38:24,527 713 00:38:26,696 --> 00:38:31,033 I invited uhh, a woman over to uhh, watch a movie, 714 00:38:31,033 --> 00:38:32,992 have some dinner with me one night 715 00:38:32,992 --> 00:38:36,372 and I never told her anything cause, you know, 716 00:38:36,372 --> 00:38:39,417 I wasn't sure exactly what was happening. 717 00:38:39,417 --> 00:38:41,252 (whispering) 718 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:42,001 (dragging) 719 00:38:42,001 --> 00:38:47,006 And a picture of my kids, it came off and it flew across 720 00:38:47,006 --> 00:38:51,471 the room and it slammed against a radiator. 721 00:38:51,888 --> 00:38:55,014 And we kinda laughed it off and played it off. 722 00:38:55,014 --> 00:38:59,395 And umm, I walked her out to her car and uhh, 723 00:38:59,395 --> 00:39:02,565 walking her out I started telling her what's going on. 724 00:39:02,565 --> 00:39:05,150 And you know, she acted like she was interested 725 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:07,362 but I think she thought I was crazy. 726 00:39:07,362 --> 00:39:10,823 And when I walked back into the apartment a horseshoe came off 727 00:39:10,823 --> 00:39:14,202 the wall that I had screwed into the plastered wall. 728 00:39:14,202 --> 00:39:17,205 It came off the wall and it just skinned my head. 729 00:39:17,205 --> 00:39:19,999 It was just thrown at me like somebody was-- 730 00:39:19,999 --> 00:39:23,628 Like, you know, somebody was angry, just threw it at me. 731 00:39:23,628 --> 00:39:28,007 732 00:39:28,007 --> 00:39:30,133 At this point, I'm not feeling to good 733 00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:31,844 about the apartment at all. 734 00:39:31,844 --> 00:39:34,013 I'm now worried about my kids safety. 735 00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:36,641 Umm, when all the kids are over, I had four kids. 736 00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:39,978 So, there was times when umm, they would be camping 737 00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,188 out of the living room floor. 738 00:39:43,062 --> 00:39:47,235 TV: If you drive a tech, apc or !any other heavy wheeling vehicle 739 00:39:47,235 --> 00:39:49,195 across the tracks and other-- 740 00:39:49,195 --> 00:39:53,073 (knocking) 741 00:39:53,073 --> 00:40:01,374 742 00:40:01,374 --> 00:40:02,584 (knocking) 743 00:40:02,584 --> 00:40:06,838 And uhh, there was a few !times that they would hear like, 744 00:40:06,838 --> 00:40:08,923 banging on the floor around them. 745 00:40:08,923 --> 00:40:12,385 And, you know, I didn't know what to tell em'. 746 00:40:12,385 --> 00:40:15,555 (screaming) 747 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,226 So, we started all sleeping together umm, 748 00:40:20,226 --> 00:40:23,771 camping out on the living room floor together. 749 00:40:23,771 --> 00:40:27,734 (clicking) 750 00:40:27,734 --> 00:40:30,612 And my stepson walks in the room and he says, 751 00:40:30,612 --> 00:40:31,779 "Dad, do you see this?" 752 00:40:31,779 --> 00:40:33,615 Cause I heard a lot of clicking 753 00:40:33,615 --> 00:40:35,908 but I didn't pay attention to it. 754 00:40:35,908 --> 00:40:41,120 755 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,209 I looked up and the mouse on the computer was moving. 756 00:40:45,209 --> 00:40:54,133 757 00:40:56,012 --> 00:41:04,143 758 00:41:04,143 --> 00:41:06,230 Narrator: Michael Verro and his son has discovered 759 00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:10,026 a paranormal entity in his apartment. 760 00:41:10,026 --> 00:41:11,444 (ghostly whisper) 761 00:41:11,444 --> 00:41:14,153 And it was gaining strength. 762 00:41:14,153 --> 00:41:16,449 763 00:41:16,449 --> 00:41:17,367 (clicking) 764 00:41:17,367 --> 00:41:19,786 I looked up and the mouse on the computer 765 00:41:19,786 --> 00:41:22,538 was moving and it was clicking stuff. 766 00:41:22,538 --> 00:41:24,957 And we just sat there with our jaws dropped, 767 00:41:24,957 --> 00:41:27,251 we couldn't believe what we were seeing. 768 00:41:27,251 --> 00:41:28,167 769 00:41:28,167 --> 00:41:32,465 !Narrator: Was the house finally !ready to give up it's secrets? 770 00:41:33,172 --> 00:41:35,718 (clicking) 771 00:41:35,718 --> 00:41:38,888 Spirits being made up of energy can manipulate 772 00:41:38,888 --> 00:41:42,182 electronics quite easily, computers no different. 773 00:41:42,182 --> 00:41:45,269 I've done two cases where it has happened. 774 00:41:45,269 --> 00:41:49,189 I also, worked another case where a spirit actually, 775 00:41:49,189 --> 00:41:52,235 things were actually typed out on the computer. 776 00:41:52,235 --> 00:41:58,198 And sure enough there was a picture of the newspaper. 777 00:41:58,198 --> 00:42:00,034 The building was you know, burnt up 778 00:42:00,034 --> 00:42:02,078 and the fire trucks in front of it 779 00:42:02,078 --> 00:42:04,997 and there was a little story on it. 780 00:42:04,997 --> 00:42:09,210 Talked about how the fire started and how the smoke poured 781 00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:12,714 through the building and that there was uhh, 782 00:42:12,714 --> 00:42:15,633 two deaths in the building. 783 00:42:16,216 --> 00:42:20,471 There was uhh, a little girl and her father who lived in 784 00:42:20,471 --> 00:42:24,934 my apartment and when the fire broke out the little girl 785 00:42:24,934 --> 00:42:26,226 hid in my closet. 786 00:42:26,226 --> 00:42:27,145 (screaming) 787 00:42:27,145 --> 00:42:31,231 She hid in there, the father apparently died in the hallway. 788 00:42:31,231 --> 00:42:35,235 She died in the closet of the building. 789 00:42:35,737 --> 00:42:40,240 At that point, umm, the computer went out again. 790 00:42:40,575 --> 00:42:44,620 Uhh, I felt very uneasy when I read that and it seemed like 791 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:47,247 they were getting more comfortable with us 792 00:42:47,247 --> 00:42:47,957 and they were doing-- 793 00:42:47,957 --> 00:42:52,628 More and more was happening as we went along. 794 00:42:52,628 --> 00:42:56,048 I don't care what you want, I want you gone. 795 00:42:56,048 --> 00:42:58,218 I started to provoke them. 796 00:42:58,218 --> 00:43:01,261 I would say horrible things to them like, 797 00:43:01,261 --> 00:43:03,431 you're dead you don't belong here, 798 00:43:03,431 --> 00:43:06,266 you're life is over get out of my apartment, 799 00:43:06,266 --> 00:43:08,978 I'm gonna call somebody in here, we're gonna get you-- 800 00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:12,315 You're gonna go and threaten to get a preist in there. 801 00:43:12,315 --> 00:43:14,734 I threatened to bless the place, all these things. 802 00:43:14,734 --> 00:43:17,820 And every time I did that, !the bulb would get real bright. 803 00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:21,157 I mean, almost where you're waiting for the bulb to blow up 804 00:43:21,157 --> 00:43:23,283 but I mean, that's how bright it would get. 805 00:43:23,283 --> 00:43:25,870 Then it would go back down to dim again and so, 806 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:29,665 I could tell I was started to touch some nerves somewhere. 807 00:43:29,665 --> 00:43:30,958 808 00:43:30,958 --> 00:43:36,256 !Michael was losing his patience !and the events were escalating. 809 00:43:36,256 --> 00:43:39,218 810 00:43:39,218 --> 00:43:43,930 This letter "A" that formed on !the wall was in a ball of light, 811 00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:46,266 like a spotlight and in the middle 812 00:43:46,266 --> 00:43:49,685 was a dark shadowy "A" on there. 813 00:43:49,685 --> 00:43:52,146 Turns out the little girl that lived there, 814 00:43:52,146 --> 00:43:54,106 her name was Angela. 815 00:43:54,106 --> 00:43:57,151 People who die suddenly and tragically 816 00:43:57,151 --> 00:44:01,321 often don't necessarily realize that they've passed on, 817 00:44:01,321 --> 00:44:04,324 therefore they're going to go back to the place 818 00:44:04,324 --> 00:44:06,326 that's most familiar to them. 819 00:44:06,326 --> 00:44:10,330 I had goosebumps all over my body 820 00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:13,042 and it scared the hell out of me. 821 00:44:13,042 --> 00:44:19,339 The last straw came almost two months in, in this apartment. 822 00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:27,347 (fire alarm beeping) 823 00:44:27,347 --> 00:44:31,060 I woke up one morning and I smelt something burning-- 824 00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:34,522 That's what woke me up !and I noticed it was too bright. 825 00:44:34,522 --> 00:44:38,359 I looked and the blinds were gone off the window. 826 00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:41,696 I sat up and looked and clear across the room, 827 00:44:41,696 --> 00:44:46,366 these blinds were laying on my electric heater melting 828 00:44:46,366 --> 00:44:49,871 and I was the only one home that day. 829 00:44:50,162 --> 00:44:53,708 These blinds were screwed into the wall, 830 00:44:53,708 --> 00:44:55,877 the wood frame of the window. 831 00:44:55,877 --> 00:44:58,796 And uhh, you would have to take off caps. 832 00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:02,382 You would have to take off four screws and then you would 833 00:45:02,382 --> 00:45:04,677 have to lift them off to take them off. 834 00:45:04,677 --> 00:45:09,308 And I didn't hear any of that happening while I was sleeping. 835 00:45:09,308 --> 00:45:13,394 836 00:45:13,394 --> 00:45:16,396 I start packing, I said, "That's it." 837 00:45:16,396 --> 00:45:17,815 That was the end of it. 838 00:45:17,815 --> 00:45:19,399 I packed up that day. 839 00:45:19,399 --> 00:45:21,861 Uhh, I packed up quick and left. 840 00:45:21,861 --> 00:45:28,701 841 00:45:28,701 --> 00:45:31,746 I have no doubt in my mind that it was connected 842 00:45:31,746 --> 00:45:35,166 and I think I ticked them off enough where they were willing 843 00:45:35,166 --> 00:45:37,960 to bring me with them because obviously, 844 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,713 they were trying to burn the place down again. 845 00:45:40,713 --> 00:45:41,547 I mean, that's why-- 846 00:45:41,547 --> 00:45:46,844 I mean, why else would you put plastic on a heater? 847 00:45:46,844 --> 00:45:50,723 848 00:45:50,723 --> 00:45:55,144 After that, my friend Frank who owned the building decided 849 00:45:55,144 --> 00:45:58,147 he would move in, he would take my apartment. 850 00:45:58,147 --> 00:46:01,108 He lasted there about a month. 851 00:46:01,108 --> 00:46:03,236 852 00:46:03,236 --> 00:46:07,447 And then, a month later the building was up for sale 853 00:46:07,447 --> 00:46:09,825 and I tried to talk to these guys. 854 00:46:09,825 --> 00:46:10,493 "Why?" I said. 855 00:46:10,493 --> 00:46:12,954 They fixed it up, why'd they sell it? 856 00:46:12,954 --> 00:46:16,749 They won't tell me, I think I know though. 67461

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