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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,960 (James Baldwin) I can't even tell if it's my wife. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,960 I don't think she's breathing. Oh, God. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,960 (Narrator) Every fraud begins with a promise. 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Highway Patrol was immediately suspicious 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,480 that this horrible accident was not an accident. 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,960 (Narrator) A quick fortune, easy money, 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 or a life transformed overnight. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,960 She's bleeding profusely. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,320 Can't get the bleeding to stop. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,960 (dramatic music) 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,000 (Narrator) But behind these illusions 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,960 lie calculated deceptions carefully hidden in plain sight. 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,960 There absolutely were whispers in the community about her death. 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,960 (Narrator) Sometimes these criminals are backed into a corner 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,960 and feel their only way out is to kill. 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,800 He wanted his wife, he wanted a girlfriend, 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,960 and when those things were threatened, 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,960 he was unwilling to lose it. 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,960 (dramatic music) 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:20,960 (suspenseful music) 21 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,960 (Dispatcher) Chester 911. 22 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,800 (James) We ran off the bridge. 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,000 (Dispatcher) You ran off the bridge? 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,960 (James) Yes, ma'am. 25 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:36,960 I need help. 26 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,960 My wife, I don't think she's breathing. 27 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,800 (Dispatcher) All right. Is she trapped in the vehicle? 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,960 (James) No, ma'am. It threw her out. 29 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:44,960 Please help me. 30 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:46,960 Oh, God. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,960 (Calvin Rikard) We work thousands of cases, and then 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:59,960 there are certain cases that just stick with you forever. 33 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,000 Miss Judy's going to be one of those cases 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,960 that I don't think anybody in this area has ever forgotten. 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,960 (Travis Jenkins) Chester is a community where, 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,960 for the most part, people still know each other. 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,960 People know their neighbour and know their neighbour's neighbour. 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,960 I'm Travis Jenkins. I grew up in Chester. 39 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,960 I've worked at the "Chester News & Reporter" 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,960 full time since 2003, so 22 years. 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,160 (Narrator) In the tight-knit community of Chester, 42 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Judy Orr was a much-loved figure. 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,960 (Travis) Judy loved her family. 44 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,480 She was a very kind and giving person 45 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,960 and just a very sweet-natured lady. 46 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,960 (Candice Lively) I'm Candice Lively. 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,320 I'm the deputy solicitor in Chester County. 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Judy was a very important woman in the community 49 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,160 because she was involved with her church. 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,960 She knew a lot of important people in the community 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,960 just because of her kindness. 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,960 She would volunteer. 53 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 She was just someone that most people knew. 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Judy did have quite an affinity for the motorcycle groups 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,160 that she was involved with. 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,960 (Narrator) In 2004, tragedy struck when Judy's husband, Todd, 57 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,000 was killed in a motorcycle accident. 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,960 (Candice) Her husband, when he unfortunately passed away, 59 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,960 she really missed that part of her life, 60 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,960 of being connected with that community. 61 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,960 (Narrator) After the death of her husband, 62 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Judy continued playing a part in the Christian biker group, 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,960 and around 2011, she met 52-year-old 64 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 fellow biker James Baldwin. 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:50,960 (Candice) James Baldwin is someone 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,160 that Judy met when he was a dispatcher 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 for Chester County Sheriff's Office. 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,960 And he had also had some experience as a police officer 69 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,960 in a neighbouring county... that would be York County. 70 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,800 (Vicky Thakordas-Desai) My name is Dr Vicky Thakordas-Desai, 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,320 and I am a consultant forensic psychologist. 72 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Judy became a widow. 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,160 It's only natural for somebody to want companionship 74 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,960 and someone to love again in their life. 75 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,960 And she made the decision to move on 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,960 after a substantial period of being single. 77 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,960 She was loving and caring, and she wanted to be able 78 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,000 to share that with a partner. 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,960 She wanted to be able to enjoy companionship once again 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,160 and felt like she could move on from her loss. 81 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,480 (Narrator) While Judy was financially secure after the death 82 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,960 of her husband, Todd, James Baldwin was an ex-deputy 83 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,960 and local 911 operator. 84 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Judy was definitely better off financially 85 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,000 whenever she met James Baldwin. 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,640 She had the house that her husband left her. 87 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,960 She had plenty of money from everything 88 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,160 she received from the proceeds of her husband's passing. 89 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,800 Jamie is not financially in the same situation. 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,960 He was always filing insurance claims. 91 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,960 He was always looking for ways that he could make money 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,960 because he just didn't make much money doing 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,960 what he was doing as a dispatcher. 94 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,960 James Baldwin was somebody who was looking 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,960 for opportunities... opportunities to further 96 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,800 themselves and their own wealth. 97 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,960 There is evidence of him trying to defraud insurance. 98 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 (Candice) He's actually waiting for financial money 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,320 to come in from some motorcycle accident he had... 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,160 Where he was claiming that the Department of Public Safety 101 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,960 was at fault for having an electrical box 102 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 in the wrong place on a street, 103 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,960 and he ran into it and damaged his bike, and he was hurt. 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 (Fiona Hotston Moore) My name is Fiona Hotston Moore, 105 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,960 and I'm a forensic accountant and expert witness. 106 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,960 In my experience of fraud, 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,960 they do tend to be serial fraudsters, 108 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,960 so they do it once and they get away with it. 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,960 They perhaps, in their mind, don't intend to do it again, 110 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,480 but then circumstances are such that they do do it again. 111 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,000 And I think you need to bear in mind the fraud triangle, 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,960 which means there needs to be motive, 113 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 opportunity, and rationalisation. 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 And if those three factors are in place, 115 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,160 then, quite often, a fraudster will repeat the previous fraud. 116 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,960 (Narrator) James Baldwin's background as a 911 operator 117 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,960 and ex-deputy meant he was quickly embraced by the Chester community. 118 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,960 (Travis) I definitely think that James Baldwin's 119 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,960 background in law enforcement would have made 120 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,960 other people trustful of him. 121 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,960 And I think that that probably just grew because, 122 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,960 again, so many people knew Judy, 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,160 and so many people loved or liked her. 124 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,960 She had a lot of friends. 125 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,960 She was very well known in the community. 126 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,640 (Narrator) In March 2012, Judy and James married. 127 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,960 And Judy was happy to spend lavishly on her new husband. 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Judy really did enjoy spending money on Jamie. 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,960 He was very charismatic. 130 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,960 And at the time, she's just such a kind soul. 131 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 I think she just loved all the attention. 132 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,960 It had been a long time since she had had a serious relationship, 133 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:34,960 and so she did. 134 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,960 They actually went and bought a beautiful new 135 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Harley Davidson motorcycle for him. 136 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,960 And anything and everything he wanted for it, she paid for it. 137 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,480 She basically set him up in this house 138 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,960 and paid for and did anything he wanted. 139 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,960 He was living the kind of life that he wanted to live, 140 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,960 but it was because Judy had the money and not him. 141 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,320 (Narrator) In June 2016, James Baldwin persuaded Judy 142 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,960 to take out a $25,000 life insurance policy. 143 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,640 (Candice) James Baldwin did take out 144 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,320 the accidental life insurance policy. 145 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,320 It just seemed like a normal thing to do. 146 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,960 And she had unfortunately lost a husband in her lifetime, 147 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,960 and she understood the importance of having money 148 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,640 whenever you have an unfortunate loss like that. 149 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,000 Jamie had been in some motorcycle accidents in the past, 150 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,960 and he said, you know, these are... 151 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,320 having an insurance policy is important. 152 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,960 (Fiona) An accident-only life policy 153 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,960 only pays out if the person dies in an accident. 154 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,960 So it does not pay out if they die of natural causes 155 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,960 or some terminal illness, et cetera. 156 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,160 It's much cheaper and easier to obtain, 157 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,960 and therefore potentially more liable to fraud, fraudulent claims 158 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,960 when someone actually dies in an untoward circumstance. 159 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,960 (Narrator) In December 2016, Judy and James Baldwin 160 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,960 were getting ready for an event with their Christian biker group. 161 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,960 (Candice) Judy Baldwin loved Christmas. 162 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,960 That was her favourite time of year. 163 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,960 They would go with their group, the Christian biker group, 164 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,960 on different trips to raise money for charities. 165 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,960 They had one that was their biggest one each year, 166 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,960 which was around Christmas, where they would collect toys 167 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 for children who were in need. 168 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,160 They were going to go to Kentucky, actually, for the 2016 Christmas. 169 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,960 That's whenever things fell apart. 170 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,960 (tense music) 171 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:49,960 (Narrator) At 11:04 p.m. on the evening of December 14th, 2016, 172 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Chester Police receive a 911 distress call. 173 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,160 (Dispatcher) Chester 911. 174 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,960 (James) We ran off the bridge. 175 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,960 (Dispatcher) You ran off the bridge? 176 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:02,960 (James) Yes, ma'am. 177 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:03,960 I need help. 178 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,960 My wife, I don't think she's breathing. 179 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 (Dispatcher) All right. Is she trapped in the vehicle? 180 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,960 (James) No, ma'am. It threw her out. 181 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,960 Please help me. 182 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Oh, God. 183 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,960 (Narrator) Highway Officer James Calvin Rikard Jr. 184 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 Was asked to respond. 185 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 (Calvin) My name is James Calvin Rikard Jr. 186 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,960 We enforce all traffic laws and crashes in South Carolina. 187 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,960 And we would get called out to work more complex collisions. 188 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,640 The early hours of the 15th, I was at home. 189 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,960 I was sleeping. 190 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,960 Got a call from my supervisor and stated that 191 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,960 the troop here in Chester, South Carolina, 192 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,160 was needing assistance with one of the cases 193 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,960 that they had responded to. 194 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,960 (Narrator) The supervisor explained a Jeep had crashed 195 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,960 on Old Richburg Road, just outside of Chester. 196 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,960 (Calvin) It's a two-lane road, but it is dark. 197 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,960 There's no really ambient lighting out in that area. 198 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,800 You are, as we would say, in the country at that point. 199 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,960 (Narrator) The couple travelling in the Jeep were Judy Orr Baldwin 200 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,480 and her husband, James Baldwin. 201 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,960 (Randy) I'm Randy Newman, Sixth Circuit solicitor. 202 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,800 So according to James Baldwin, 203 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,160 some errant car comes into his lane, 204 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,960 or truck, runs him off the road. 205 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,960 And he says that he blacked out at some point. 206 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,480 When he comes to, he reaches over, doesn't feel her in the seat, 207 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,960 crawls out of the vehicle, and finds her 208 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,480 lying in a creek, not underwater, 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,960 just in a couple inches of water. 210 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,960 Unable to get her come to, he calls 911. 211 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,960 (Narrator) Judy Orr Baldwin was pronounced dead at the scene. 212 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,960 James Baldwin was taken to the hospital with minor injuries. 213 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,480 (Travis) The news of her death 214 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,960 actually got to us the next day, but even at that point, 215 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,960 there were already sort of whispers in the community 216 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,960 that there was more to the story. 217 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,960 (Calvin) I felt like there was something 218 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,320 different about this case. 219 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,640 But I got the internal nudge that I needed 220 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,000 to go actually to the hospital and talk to Mr Baldwin 221 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,800 as soon as possible. 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,960 When I first had the conversation with... 223 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,960 with the on-scene supervisor, what he was saying that Mr Baldwin 224 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,960 had told him at the scene was not matching up 225 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,960 with what the damage was, or the lack of damage. 226 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,960 So pretty close early on in the investigation, 227 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,960 I felt like something wasn't... wasn't adding up 228 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,960 with what he was saying and what was being 229 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,960 presented at the scene itself. 230 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,160 (suspenseful music) 231 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,960 James Baldwin, at first, when he called 911, 232 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,960 he claimed that... that there was a car accident. 233 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,000 He swerved to miss a truck that had come into his lane, 234 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,960 that he went off the road and must have lost consciousness 235 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,960 because he kind of comes to when the Jeep stopped 236 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,160 and realised that his wife was not next to him 237 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,960 in the passenger seat of the vehicle. 238 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,960 (Narrator) While James Baldwin was taken 239 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,960 to the hospital with minor injuries, 240 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,320 officers began to notice inconsistencies 241 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,800 between evidence at the scene with James Baldwin's version of events. 242 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,960 I knew the story that was being told 243 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,960 did not line up with what was being presented at the scene. 244 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,960 I spoke with the on-scene supervisor. 245 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,960 He was telling me that he had some concerns 246 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,480 with what Mr Baldwin had told him. 247 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,960 The on-scene supervisor was saying that Mr Baldwin had told him 248 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,960 he felt like Miss Judy was ejected out of the vehicle 249 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,960 and that's what caused her death. 250 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,960 I asked him if he could send me a couple pictures of the vehicle. 251 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,960 He showed me those pictures, and I knew 252 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,960 that was not the case from the lack of damage to the vehicle. 253 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,960 (Narrator) Officer Rikard decided to go straight to the hospital 254 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,960 to interview James Baldwin. 255 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,960 (Calvin) He did say that he tried to get her up the embankment, 256 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,960 but also said that he found her in the front of the vehicle, 257 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,960 which would have been in the water, and she was basically 258 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,160 pulled towards the driver's side of the vehicle, 259 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,960 which would not have been the direct path 260 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 to try to get her to the top of the embankment. 261 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,960 So that was a little strange. 262 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,000 But, you know, maybe he was disoriented. 263 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,160 I was trying to give him, you know, the benefit of the doubt 264 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,960 at that time when he is telling me this... this story. 265 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,960 (Narrator) During the interview at the hospital, 266 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 James Baldwin's story of what happened 267 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,000 that evening began to change. 268 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,320 (Calvin) He started adding more stuff to it 269 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,960 to try to fill in those gaps 270 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,320 and those questions that he was being asked. 271 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,480 So his story was that, back at the house, 272 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,960 there was an incident there where Miss Judy 273 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,960 had fell off of a ladder while trying 274 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,960 to decorate a Christmas tree. 275 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,000 He was outside at that moment. 276 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,960 When he came back inside, he saw that she was laying on the floor, 277 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,960 was bleeding a lot, and decided that she needed to go 278 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,960 to the hospital to get stitches. 279 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,960 (Randy) So according to James Baldwin, 280 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,960 they are decorating for Christmas. 281 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,960 She's on a step ladder decorating the tree. 282 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,960 James Baldwin said she fell and bumped her head. 283 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,960 She's bleeding profusely. 284 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:49,960 Can't get the bleeding to stop. 285 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Got to take her to hospital. 286 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,960 (Calvin) And as he was travelling down Old Richburg Road, 287 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,000 a vehicle was in his lane of travel, 288 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,960 where he took evasive action 289 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,320 and ran off the right side of the road, 290 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,960 kind of overcorrected and went off the left side of the road, 291 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,960 down an embankment and into a creek where he said that 292 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,960 he doesn't remember really what happened after that, 293 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,960 except when he woke up that Miss Judy was not 294 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,960 in the vehicle and then he found her outside of the Jeep itself. 295 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,000 (Narrator) Officer Rikard noticed a lack of emotion from James Baldwin. 296 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,960 (Calvin) I knew he was a police officer. 297 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,960 I knew he was in public safety. 298 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 And maybe that was just the way somebody actually 299 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,960 responded to that behaviour. 300 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,960 I asked him point-blank that night 301 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,960 if he did anything to hurt Miss Judy. 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,960 That was the only time that I saw emotion out of him 303 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,960 during this interview, is when I was accusing him 304 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,800 of doing something to Miss Judy. 305 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,960 (Narrator) After interviewing James Baldwin at the hospital, 306 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Officer Rikard joined his colleagues 307 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960 at the scene of the accident. 308 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,640 (Calvin) This is a rural, two-lane road out in the country. 309 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,960 There's a bridge there that covers the creek itself, 310 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960 but I was able to see the path of travel 311 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 that Mr Baldwin went off the right side of the road. 312 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,960 And even when I got there, he should have stayed 313 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:16,960 in a straight path, which would have 314 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,960 taken him straight into the woods. 315 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,960 And so when he goes off the left side of the road, 316 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,000 he has to make a controlled movement 317 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,960 to straighten up the vehicle, drive down the embankment, 318 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,960 get to the creek bottom, 319 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960 and then kind of angle it back to the right. 320 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,960 And so it does not add up with what he is telling us. 321 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,000 (Candice) Highway Patrol was immediately suspicious. 322 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,960 They see accidents all the time. 323 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,320 Number one, they didn't see damage to the vehicle. 324 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,960 They thought that that was very suspicious 325 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,960 and the fact that the windshield was intact. 326 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,960 Nothing was really damaged except for just 327 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,960 the front little grill piece on the Jeep. 328 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,960 There was no indication of a huge turn or some type of movement 329 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,960 by the vehicle to avoid a truck 330 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,960 coming into his lane, which he claimed. 331 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,960 (Calvin) I can see the fresh marks in the dirt 332 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,960 off the right side of the roadway. 333 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,960 And I'm like, this doesn't happen when 334 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,960 you're travelling at normal highway speeds of, you know, 335 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,960 50, 55 miles an hour. 336 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,960 So just seeing the Jeep, its location, 337 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,640 the path of travel that it took to get to its location, 338 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,960 the amount of blood that was in the vehicle 339 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,960 and on the outside of the vehicle 340 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,960 just did not add up with her 341 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960 getting ejected out of the vehicle. 342 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 (Narrator) Despite the concerns of the officers at the scene, 343 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,960 James Baldwin's background as a deputy and 911 responder 344 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,960 meant local officers were quick to believe his version of events. 345 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,960 (Candice) Here in Chester County, with it being such a small county, 346 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,960 people are in the community who work in law enforcement. 347 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,960 It's hard to look at them and think that they 348 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:06,960 could have had anything to do with injuring a family member. 349 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960 I think that there's just that inherent small-town feel 350 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960 that there's just no way Jamie Baldwin could have 351 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,960 done something to hurt this wonderful woman 352 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960 that everybody loved. 353 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,960 (Vicky) It is highly likely that, 354 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,800 when James called 911 and his colleagues 355 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,960 responded to that, that they would have quite quickly 356 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,960 believed his version of events. 357 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,960 He was a trusted colleague. 358 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,960 He had worked within the profession for as long as he did. 359 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,960 And that unconscious bias that would have been present, 360 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,960 which would have rationalised their decision, which was, 361 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,960 well, actually, he's... he's one of us. 362 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,960 He should be telling the truth. 363 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,960 He is telling the truth, and, therefore, there's no need 364 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960 to question this any further. 365 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 On the night when the Jeep went off the road, 366 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,960 the sheriff's office did send an investigator to the home. 367 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,960 He looked in the window, and you could immediately see 368 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,960 there was blood on the floor in the main area. 369 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,960 It was a huge, wide open main area. 370 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,160 There was a ladder and a huge Christmas tree. 371 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Unfortunately, he only took about 40 pictures, not that many more, 372 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,000 but looking at the scene, without having anybody else come in there, 373 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:29,800 he went and reported back that what he saw and based on what 374 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,320 Mr Baldwin had told him, he believed that Judy had fallen 375 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,960 from the ladder and hit her head on the mantel 376 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960 or somewhere in that area, 377 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,960 and that's what caused her head injuries. 378 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960 So that fit with what he believed at the time 379 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Jamie Baldwin was telling everyone. 380 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,640 (Narrator) Satisfied with James Baldwin's story 381 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,960 that there had been an accident at the home, 382 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,960 the investigator allowed the scene to be cleaned up. 383 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,960 The only person who walked in that home that was law enforcement 384 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,000 was the investigator from the sheriff's office. 385 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,960 And he also told a friend of Jamie Baldwin, 386 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:09,960 you can go ahead and clean up. 387 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,960 I'm sure you don't want it to look like this 388 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,800 whenever Mr Baldwin gets back to the house. 389 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,480 He gave a card to this female, by the name of Teri King, 390 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,960 who said, you can call these people. 391 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,960 They'll clean up the... the blood. 392 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,640 (Narrator) On the morning of December 15th, 393 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,960 the community of Chester learned of Judy Orr Baldwin's death, 394 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,960 and there was immediate suspicion around what happened. 395 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,960 We found out about it the next day. 396 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Word gets around very quickly in a town as small as Chester. 397 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,960 (Candice) Law enforcement had two different versions 398 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,960 of what could have happened. 399 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,960 Highway Patrol was thinking, this is not a car accident. 400 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,960 And then you had law enforcement with the sheriff's office saying, 401 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,000 well, it looks like it was possibly an accident from a fall 402 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,960 that happened at the house. 403 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,480 (Randy Newman) They took his statement. 404 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:01,960 They went to the house. 405 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,160 And they did, I guess, the bare minimum. 406 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,960 And this guy was a former dispatcher 407 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,960 at the sheriff's office. 408 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,960 They never, at any point, thought that he's not being truthful. 409 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,960 (Narrator) A local pathologist performed an autopsy 410 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,800 to try to confirm the cause of death. 411 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,320 (Candice) The biggest issue happened 412 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,960 whenever the autopsy was done. 413 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,000 The findings of the pathologist was that 414 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,960 she had died from a blunt force trauma to the head, 415 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,960 but, in their opinion, 416 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,320 that it was probably because of the fall. 417 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,960 (Travis) There absolutely were whispers in the community 418 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:45,960 about... about her death. 419 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,960 There were just questions about, I guess, holes in Jamie's story, 420 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,960 his, I guess, connection to the law enforcement community. 421 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,960 I think a lot of those things were brought up as questions 422 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,960 that people had about whether or not this was being looked into 423 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:04,320 as thoroughly as it should have been and whether or not 424 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,960 there was more to the story, which, 425 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000 most people seem to think that there was. 426 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,960 (Narrator) While local law enforcement were quick to believe 427 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,320 James Baldwin's version of events, the coroner, 428 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,960 who knew Judy personally, had doubts. 429 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,960 (tense music) 430 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Terry Tinker, our coroner, and the family, 431 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,960 after hearing everything, strongly believed 432 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,960 that it didn't fit with what they were actually seeing 433 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,800 from the pictures that were taken at the home, 434 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,960 that this didn't make sense how she could have 435 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,640 such a severe head trauma falling from basically 436 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,960 a three-step ladder. 437 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 So there were just a lot of questions. 438 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,960 (Randy) I think it was just, he was taken at his word. 439 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,320 They felt like they didn't have anything to show otherwise. 440 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,960 And so they weren't moving along the way the family wanted them to 441 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960 or the way the coroner wanted them to. 442 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960 I mean, to be honest, there were a lot of people 443 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960 who said that he had killed her, 444 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,960 that they believed that Jamie had murdered Judy. 445 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,000 (suspenseful music) 446 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,960 (Narrator) In early 2017, the investigation into the death 447 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,960 of Judy Orr Baldwin was still ongoing, 448 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,960 with the coroner and the sheriff still in disagreement 449 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960 about what happened. 450 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,960 I started getting calls early on from the community. 451 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Hey, this isn't right. 452 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Somebody needs to do something. 453 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,960 (Candice) This case was very tricky, 454 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,960 simply because we had an initial disagreement 455 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,160 or kind of this impasse between investigating agencies. 456 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,960 (Narrator) The fact that key people investigating the case 457 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,960 knew both James Baldwin and Judy Orr Baldwin personally 458 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960 complicated matters. 459 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,960 (Candice) So initially, that was hard to get over 460 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,960 that hump of thinking, we've got to look at this as investigators 461 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,000 and not as friends of one another. 462 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,960 We've got to dig into this and do what's fair for this family. 463 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960 (Vicky) When you're emotionally involved with anyone, 464 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,960 whether that's the victim or the perpetrator, 465 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,160 it is hard to detach yourself, especially professionally, 466 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,960 when you are being asked to offer an opinion. 467 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,960 And therefore, the whole town was impacted 468 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960 in some way, shape, or form. 469 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960 (Randy) Then we get a call from the judge, local judge. 470 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,320 He wants to meet with the coroner and the sheriff's office. 471 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320 So it's kind of like those two guys are getting 472 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960 called to the principal's office. 473 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 (Narrator) After meeting with the judge, 474 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960 the coroner continued the investigation 475 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,960 with the help of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, 476 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,960 known as SLED. 477 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960 (Candice) SLED is a multi-jurisdictional 478 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 investigative agency. 479 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,640 So most places like Chester, who... 480 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960 you know, we're a small, rural community... 481 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,960 we don't have our own drug testing labs. 482 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,960 We don't have a DNA testing lab. 483 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480 So whenever we have a complex case, 484 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,960 then you want to bring in someone who has all of these individuals 485 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960 who have specialised training. 486 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,960 (Narrator) SLED began by re-examining the photos taken 487 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,960 at Judy Orr's home where James Baldwin had told police 488 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 she fell and hit her head. 489 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,960 We basically went back through every little inch of every photo 490 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960 that was taken by that sheriff investigator 491 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,960 to try to break things down. 492 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960 They tried to find the ladder. 493 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960 So he's saying, oh, I don't have the ladder anymore. 494 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,960 I took it to this attorney that I was going to have sue 495 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,960 because it was a defective model of the ladder. 496 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,960 We wanted to measure how high 497 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,960 would Judy have been from the ground 498 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,160 if she fell from this ladder. 499 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960 And all of a sudden, he's just, well... it's just... 500 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,000 I can't find it. 501 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,960 (Narrator) The SLED team also decided 502 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,960 to examine the data from the Jeep's internal control system 503 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,960 known as the black box. 504 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800 (Calvin) So the black box has been termed, 505 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,960 kind of referencing airplanes... 506 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,000 the black box in a vehicle is designed to analyse 507 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,960 certain components, certain data. 508 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,960 And the sole purpose of it is to deploy airbags. 509 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,960 It does give us a lot of information 510 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,000 in regards to vehicle speed, braking, acceleration, 511 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,960 temperature, odometer reading. 512 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,960 (Narrator) The black box data records any unexpected 513 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,160 changes of speed that would occur in a car accident, 514 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,960 which are recorded as events. 515 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,320 (Calvin) There has to be a change in velocity 516 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000 for 5 miles an hour over a certain time frame, 517 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,960 which I think was 150 milliseconds, 518 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960 for an event to even occur. 519 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,960 And in this case, there was no events recorded. 520 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,960 If there was any speed involved, an event would have occurred. 521 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960 And when it told us nothing was on that module, 522 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960 to us, that was... that was a red flag. 523 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960 (Narrator) The data from the black box, along with other evidence 524 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960 collected on the road, began to cast even more doubt 525 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,960 on James Baldwin's story, that he swerved 526 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960 to avoid an oncoming vehicle. 527 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960 (Calvin) There is no doubt that they were 528 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960 travelling down Old Richburg Road. 529 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,960 We have tyre impressions where they ran off 530 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960 the right side of the road. 531 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,960 But if somebody's travelling off the roadway at 55 miles an hour, 532 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,960 there's going to be some tearing into that land, 533 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,960 that dirt, especially as soft as it was, and that was not the case. 534 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,960 (Narrator) As well as showing James Baldwin was not driving fast 535 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,160 on the road, the damage to the car suggested 536 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,960 it was driven down the embankment at a very controlled, slow speed. 537 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960 (Candice) They were able to pull all of this data out of there 538 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,960 to determine that he was not going that fast. 539 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,960 He never had an impact that would have caused the airbags to go off. 540 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960 That was immediately apparent to them 541 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,480 if all this horrible accident, he runs off the road. 542 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,960 So the black box ended up being super critical for Highway Patrol 543 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960 to basically say, this was not an accident. 544 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960 I mean, they felt comfortable saying it looked like it was 545 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,960 a very intentional act by the driver 546 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,960 to pull off the road and down into this ravine in a very slow manner. 547 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960 (Narrator) While SLED continued their investigation, 548 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 James Baldwin moved out of Judy Orr's family home 549 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,960 and in with his female friend Teri King, 550 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,960 the person police had allowed to clean up the blood 551 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960 the night Judy died. 552 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,960 Whenever we learned that Jamie Baldwin had moved in 553 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,960 with Teri King, it was right after we started 554 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960 really, really investigating the case with SLED. 555 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 And Judy's family were pushing him to get out of the family home, 556 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,640 or getting out of Judy's home. 557 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,960 So he moves in with Teri. 558 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800 And at first, I think he just used it as, 559 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,960 oh, I have nowhere else to go. 560 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,960 But, of course, I was thinking, obviously, this is his girlfriend. 561 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Of course that's where he's going to go. 562 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,960 But that's how he kind of played it to everybody else. 563 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,960 (Narrator) After James Baldwin left the family home, 564 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,960 SLED had an opportunity to re-examine 565 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,960 the potential crime scene. 566 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800 (Randy) We were very fortunate in this case that 567 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,960 we were able to go back to the family home after a year or so. 568 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,800 Miss Baldwin's son had actually taken over the family home. 569 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Luckily, he had not painted or any of that thing. 570 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,320 They found blood spatter over the top of the fireplace 571 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,960 consistent with someone 572 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960 thrusting or hitting someone with something 573 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960 and blood flying off of the object. 574 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960 (Candice) So that shows that it was more of a blow 575 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,480 or something of that movement 576 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,960 that would have caused her blood to be that high. 577 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,800 We had the DNA tested, and it was her blood. 578 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,960 And there's no reason why a 4'9" woman would have blood 579 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,960 almost 12 feet up in the air. 580 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,960 (Narrator) After finding forensic evidence 581 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960 that contradicted James Baldwin's story 582 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,960 of Judy falling from a ladder, 583 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,960 SLED made another crucial discovery. 584 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960 One of the items that was very critical 585 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,960 that was taken from the scene was a Santa stocking holder. 586 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,960 It's one of these iron stocking holders, very heavy. 587 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,960 We took that to our forensic pathologist, Dr Ross. 588 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,960 When she saw it, she immediately said, that's it. 589 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,960 We asked, you know, okay, 590 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,160 he's saying she fell off the ladder. 591 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,960 Could she have fallen off the ladder and hit this? 592 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,960 Because it's a stocking holder, it would hang off the mantel. 593 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960 And she said, absolutely not. 594 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960 This was blunt force trauma. 595 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,960 She was hit with this item. 596 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,320 (Narrator) In June 2017, six months after Judy's death, 597 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,960 police were called to the home of Teri King. 598 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,960 I get a call from York County Sheriff's Office 599 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,800 telling me that Teri King's residence had burned down. 600 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,960 I learned that there had been other problems going on 601 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160 between Teri and Jamie at that time. 602 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,640 Teri had actually called the police 603 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,800 after she told him to leave. 604 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,800 Then a knife ends up stuck in her tree that actually had carved 605 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,960 into it the letters B-I-T-C-H. 606 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,960 She was terrified. 607 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,960 She called the police. 608 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,960 They came and took pictures of it. 609 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,160 They suggested... police put up some type 610 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,960 of like a deer camera or a camera so we can see maybe who it is. 611 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,960 She felt it was Jamie Baldwin, 612 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,640 but, of course, you've got to have proof. 613 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,320 She did put up these deer cameras. 614 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960 She went out of town for a weekend. 615 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,960 While she was gone, she gets a call 616 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,960 that her house is on fire. 617 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,960 They look at the camera. 618 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,960 You can see a man coming into the property. 619 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,960 Then he walks back out, gets in his vehicle, and leaves. 620 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160 The house goes up in flames. 621 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,480 And they were able to determine 622 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960 that this person was James Baldwin. 623 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960 So he was arrested for arson and fraud 624 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,800 because he was going to try to sue the insurance company 625 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960 for his contents that were still inside of her home. 626 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,960 In my experience, in cases such as James Baldwin, 627 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,960 people undertake small frauds, whether that's 628 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960 an insurance fraud or some other fraud. 629 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,960 They get away with it. They become bolder. 630 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,960 And they then undertake another fraud, and so on. 631 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,320 So when insurance companies are looking at paying out on claims, 632 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,320 they will look to... look at previous claims 633 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,160 to see if there is actually a history, 634 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,960 and therefore whether they need to go back 635 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,960 and review previous claims. 636 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,960 (Narrator) While James Baldwin was out on bond for second-degree arson 637 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,960 and burning personal property to defraud insurers, 638 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,960 he was indicted for the murder of Judy Orr Baldwin. 639 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,960 By that time, it was clear throughout the community 640 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,960 that everyone believed that this was not an accident. 641 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,320 As a matter of fact, because of all the community involvement 642 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,960 and Facebook and social media, we knew that we were probably 643 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,960 going to have trouble getting a jury pool that wasn't 644 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,960 going to be biassed in favour of Judy. 645 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960 So we actually had to change venue to another county 646 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,000 so we could try the case. 647 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,640 (sombre music) 648 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,960 (suspenseful music) 649 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,960 (Narrator) In October 2019, James Baldwin stood trial 650 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,960 for the murder of his wife, Judy Orr Baldwin. 651 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960 (Travis) We were there for every day of it. 652 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960 I know there were a lot of other media, 653 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960 TV, and newspapers that were there. 654 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,800 There was obviously a lot of interest 655 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960 in that case for a lot of reasons, partly, I think, 656 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,960 because people knew Judy but also because the arrest took so long. 657 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,960 The investigation felt like, to a lot of people, 658 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960 it dragged on for so long, longer than it should have. 659 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960 So that kind of built a lot of intrigue. 660 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,960 (Randy) The thing I remember most is the family, Judy's friends. 661 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,960 They showed up every day. 662 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,960 It's just heartbreaking for them. 663 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,960 (Travis) The atmosphere was interesting because, 664 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,160 on one side of the courtroom, you have the family 665 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,960 and friends of the victim. 666 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,960 And on the other side of the courtroom, 667 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,960 you have the family and friends of the accused. 668 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960 And I distinctly remember just being struck by the fact 669 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,960 that the side where Judy's family and friends were sitting 670 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960 was filled, I believe, to overflow. 671 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,960 Like, they literally had to bring chairs in 672 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960 and sat it in the back of the courtroom 673 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,960 to accommodate all of her friends and family that attended. 674 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,800 And they were there every day. 675 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,960 (Calvin) I did attend the trial. 676 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,320 There was a full gallery side of Miss Judy every day of the trial. 677 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,960 So again, I think that goes back to what kind of person she was 678 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960 and what the community thought of her. 679 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960 (Travis) And the most people I recall 680 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960 sitting on Jamie's side of the courtroom was one. 681 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,960 One person. 682 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,320 (Narrator) After an intense 18-month investigation, 683 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,960 the prosecution knew they had to convince the jury 684 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960 that Judy's death was not an accident. 685 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960 (Candice) Whenever you have a start of a case 686 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,960 that's an accident, and then 687 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960 you learn as you're going on with the evidence 688 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,960 that an accident completely does not fit the scenario, 689 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,960 then you have to really take your time to make sure that you go back 690 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,960 and explain away or explain to some extent 691 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,960 why it was missed on the front end. 692 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,800 (Travis) But the most compelling part 693 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,000 was when the SLED investigator was brought in 694 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,960 and unveiled the findings of the black box. 695 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960 Jamie's story was, she'd fallen. 696 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,160 I'm taking her to the hospital, 697 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,960 and they would run off the road by a truck, 698 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000 and they swerved wildly and ploughed down an embankment 699 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000 and hit something hard. 700 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,960 But when SLED got the results from that black box, 701 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960 it demonstrated that the car came to a stop. 702 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,960 It slowly turned and drove 5 miles an hour down the embankment. 703 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,960 And at that point, his story completely fell apart. 704 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,960 (Narrator) For the prosecution, one of the most challenging aspects 705 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,960 of the case was addressing the conflicting 706 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,960 opinions of law enforcement. 707 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,960 (Candice) The worst part about the case for me 708 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,160 was having to cross-examine, or treat hostilely, 709 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,160 individuals who were typically on my side. 710 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,960 But the bottom line is, they didn't do their job. 711 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,960 The worst part was having to ask that investigator, 712 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,480 oh, you actually handed the girlfriend of Mr Baldwin 713 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,960 a card letting her know that this cleanup company will come 714 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,960 and clean up the blood from the crime scene? 715 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960 That was not good. 716 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,960 That was a moment where I could feel the jury beside me 717 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,160 going, what? 718 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,480 He did what? 719 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,960 It was just kind of a very uncomfortable moment. 720 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960 (Narrator) The relationship between James and Teri King 721 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,160 was a key argument for the prosecution. 722 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960 (Randy) It was very important. 723 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960 I think it leads us to motive, although 724 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960 there's several other things that lead us to motive. 725 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,000 But somebody who's got a girlfriend and is in a marriage, 726 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,960 that becomes an automatic issue. 727 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640 (Candice) The relationship between James Baldwin and Teri King 728 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,000 was a really big piece of our case because it showed 729 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,160 the intentions of the defendant 730 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,960 and why he would have wanted Judy gone. 731 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960 So it was a big motive. 732 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,000 Also, the money. 733 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,960 (Narrator) The $25,000 insurance policy 734 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960 was a key argument for the prosecution. 735 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,000 (Travis) I definitely remember the accident-only insurance policy 736 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,960 that was taken out before Judy's murder. 737 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,960 That was prominently mentioned during the trial 738 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,960 as a possible motive. 739 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,960 You know, you think of $25,000, you're like, wow, 740 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960 you know, that's not a whole lot. 741 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,960 But for someone like Jamie, who, at the time, 742 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,960 was getting ready to possibly be out on the street without a house, 743 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,960 without a motorcycle, because everything had 744 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,960 been bought for him by Judy, 745 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,960 any money was going to be critical to him. 746 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960 (Narrator) The prosecution argued control was 747 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,800 another key factor in the case. 748 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,000 James Baldwin was definitely someone who always wanted control. 749 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,960 Judy was someone who he was able to manipulate and control 750 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,960 from the beginning because it had been years since 751 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,960 she had been in a relationship. 752 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640 She desperately wanted to have someone who loved her 753 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,960 and that she could spend the rest of her days with. 754 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,960 She actually confronted Jamie about this friendship 755 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,960 he was having with Teri King and told him, absolutely, 756 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,960 this has to stop. 757 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,320 And if not, then you're going to have to leave. 758 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,960 And we believe that's what probably led to the huge argument 759 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960 that happened on the night that she ended up dying was, 760 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,960 he wanted to go to Kentucky. 761 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,960 She did not want him to go, and she knew Teri King was going. 762 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,960 So we believe that whenever Jamie felt he was losing control, 763 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960 Judy was finally standing up for herself, 764 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960 and she wasn't going to let it happen. 765 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,960 And that's whenever the argument and her eventual death took place. 766 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,960 (Vicky) James Baldwin wanted to have it all. 767 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960 He wanted his wife, he wanted a girlfriend. 768 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,640 And when those things were threatened, 769 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,960 he was unwilling to lose it. 770 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,960 So he used whatever means necessary to get what he wanted 771 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960 so that he could stay stable and sustained. 772 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960 (Randy) I think he felt like that was all his life 773 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960 as he knew it was getting ready to change, 774 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960 because Judy wasn't going to put up with that. 775 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960 She wasn't going to allow him to live in her house 776 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,640 and have a motorcycle and all the stuff that she's buying him 777 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,960 and have a girlfriend. 778 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,480 So he was going to have to make some changes. 779 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,800 He kind of saw his golden egg going away, so to speak. 780 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,960 (Narrator) On November 5, 2019, after a week-long trial, 781 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,960 the jury retired to consider their verdict. 782 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,960 (Randy) It's always nerve wracking. 783 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,960 That's something that you never get used to. 784 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,960 You're sitting there and you look at the family, 785 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,960 and they're on pins and needles waiting to hear. 786 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,960 You've really got to think about what that family's going through 787 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960 and what they're thinking during that time 788 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,000 because we know it could go either way. 789 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000 I was so nervous, because you just never know 790 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,960 what a jury's going to do. 791 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,960 (Narrator) When the jury returned, James Baldwin was found guilty 792 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960 of the murder of Judy Orr Baldwin. 793 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,960 (Candice) We all broke down. 794 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,960 We could hear them crying behind us. 795 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,320 Tears came to my eyes from just overwhelming emotion 796 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,960 and also just feeling like it was the right thing. 797 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,960 It was definitely the right verdict. 798 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,800 (Randy) I don't think he really reacted a whole lot. 799 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,640 There was a lot of relief from Judy's family. 800 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,320 And finally, it's over and we can breathe. 801 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,640 (Calvin) I think back now, like, 802 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,480 I'm just so grateful and thankful for Miss Judy's sake 803 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,480 and her family's sake that I went straight to the hospital, 804 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,960 was able to get that statement, lock him down 805 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,960 in what his events were, what he was saying happened that night. 806 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,960 I think that helped in the court proceedings during his trial 807 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,960 and ultimately with him being found guilty for her death. 808 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,960 (Narrator) James Baldwin's exploitation 809 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,960 of Judy for financial gain, which eventually resulted in her murder, 810 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,960 led to him being sentenced to life in prison 811 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,960 without the possibility of parole. 812 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960 (Candice) Greed was a huge motivation for him, 813 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,800 and it was something that had driven him for a long time. 814 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960 And so when you look at his decision 815 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,640 that night to take Judy out of the equation, 816 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,800 he clearly was thinking about the fact that, 817 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,960 this is going to put me in a situation 818 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,160 where I'm going to be set. 819 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,960 He was going to have the house. 820 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960 He was going to keep his bike. 821 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960 He was going to get $25,000. 822 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,000 And he was going to have his girlfriend. 823 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960 (Vicky) James has always been in a position of power, 824 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,960 so to have been confronted by Judy would have represented 825 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960 a level of threat for him. 826 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,160 He stood to lose everything... 827 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960 everything that he'd managed to gain within the relationship, 828 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,960 which wasn't his. 829 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,960 It was hers... her house, her finances. 830 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,960 And so he stood a lot to lose. 831 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960 He wanted to have it all his way. 832 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960 (Travis) I think you actually go beyond greed 833 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,960 when you're willing to kill somebody 834 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,960 to collect money, especially a person 835 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,960 that you purport to love and take care of. 836 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,960 I think you've actually gone beyond greed at that point, 837 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,480 and you've veered into either being mentally unwell or evil. 838 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,960 (Narrator) The murder of Judy Orr Baldwin by her husband, 839 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,320 James Baldwin, was not only devastating for Judy's family, 840 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,960 but a traumatic experience for the people of Chester. 841 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960 (Candice) Whenever I've looked back on this case, 842 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960 I'll be honest, initially I was shocked. 843 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,800 I was, like, what have I gotten myself into 844 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,960 coming to Chester County? 845 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960 Because I was completely blown away by the fact 846 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,960 that the sheriff and the coroner were having these issues. 847 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,960 (Travis) Not every deputy solicitor like Candice Lively 848 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,960 and not every coroner like Terry Tinker 849 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,960 would have been willing to buck the system a little bit 850 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,960 because they thought there was more going on there 851 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960 than they were being told. 852 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960 There was more to the story 853 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960 than what was written on incident reports. 854 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,960 They knew that there was something else going on 855 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,960 and that they didn't just accept the pat answer and say, 856 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,800 okay, well, he's not guilty or it was an accident or whatever. 857 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960 (Randy) So, you know, I'm a firm believer 858 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,960 everything happens for a reason. 859 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,960 So had we not had a coroner and a sheriff bumping heads 860 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,960 and had we not called in SLED, we may have never known 861 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,960 what really happened to Judy. 862 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,960 (sombre music) 863 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,960 (dramatic music) 864 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 72690

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