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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,720 SIREN WAILS 2 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,000 A car crashes in the middle of the night. 3 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,360 A woman is run down. 4 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,840 SOBBING 5 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,800 It's the first death of its kind in the world... 6 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,480 ..a pedestrian killed by a driverless car. 7 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Although the vehicle was driving itself, 8 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 using artificial intelligence, 9 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,000 there was a human operator behind the wheel. 10 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,920 For the first time ever, the decision had to be made - 11 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,680 who was to blame for this crash? 12 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,480 Was it the human or the AI? 13 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Artificial intelligence - a machine beyond the mind of man. 14 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,760 For decades, scientists have dreamed of creating incredible machines 15 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,920 that could talk like us, learn like us, think like us. 16 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:43,200 But what we didn't imagine is the impact they would have on us. 17 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,000 In this series, I'm exploring what happens 18 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,120 when AI collides with human lives, 19 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,240 unearthing stories far stranger than we could ever have imagined. 20 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,480 I'm Professor Hannah Fry. I'm a mathematician, 21 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,680 and I've spent my career examining the ways 22 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,320 technology can transform our future. 23 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Here in Phoenix, a multi-billion-dollar industry 24 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,880 has the potential to save millions of lives. 25 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,720 That is weird. 26 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,520 SHE CHUCKLES 27 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 We're on the cusp of a self-driving revolution, 28 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 and driverless taxis are now a reality 29 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,800 in several countries around the world. 30 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,760 All right, request it. 31 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,280 You hail them on an app. 32 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,200 Ooh! Love my initials on top. 33 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,720 This is my first time in one of these. 34 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,920 Worked with Google for years. 35 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,680 Never been in a driverless car. 36 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,080 Imagine. 37 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,600 Here it is! 38 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:08,280 Where's it's going to stop? 39 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Where's it going to stop? 40 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,200 There? 41 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Ooh! 42 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,760 Oh, that was quite well done. 43 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Here, look - HF on the top. 44 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,200 No-one in the car. 45 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Start the ride. 46 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,040 Go! 47 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,120 SHE GASPS AND LAUGHS 48 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,280 It's quite nerve-racking! 49 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,880 AUTOMATED VOICE: We'll do all the driving, 50 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,600 so please don't touch the steering wheel or pedals during your ride. 51 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,320 It's green, but it slowed down. 52 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Oh, it's turning right. That's why. 53 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,400 I sort of don't trust it. I don't trust it. 54 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Ooh, we're changing lanes. 55 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,000 SHE LAUGHS 56 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,080 It's not timid, is it? 57 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,840 The technology needed for a car to drive itself 58 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 is nothing short of miraculous. 59 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,440 The car uses a combination of sensors 60 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,280 to understand what's going on around it. 61 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,920 First, cameras - great at identifying road signs, 62 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,440 traffic lights, pedestrians and other cars, 63 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,120 but they struggle in bad weather. 64 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,400 So, many driverless cars also have radar, 65 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,760 often built into the front bumper, 66 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,160 which sends out radio waves that bounce off objects 67 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,080 and measure what comes back. 68 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,640 It works well over long distances, but not so well up close. 69 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,440 That's why some driverless cars also use lidar, 70 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,880 the spinning cylinders you sometimes see on the roof and side of the car. 71 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,160 It's like radar, but with lasers, 72 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,520 and is able to build up a detailed 3D picture of nearby objects. 73 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Precise but easily confused 74 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,360 by reflective surfaces like windows and shiny buildings. 75 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,640 This is sort of inside the computer's brain, as it were. 76 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,200 So you're seeing a view of what it thinks is around you. 77 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,680 The AI takes these three imperfect systems, 78 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,120 pieces together what's actually out there, 79 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,360 tries to predict what will happen next 80 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,680 and decides how the car should steer, brake and accelerate. 81 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:36,360 When I was writing about these things ten years ago, 82 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,000 they were a research project. 83 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,560 They were understanding the environment, 84 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,400 advancing the engineering, kind of tweaking the software. 85 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,360 It was only very, very recently that they've become 86 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,680 commercially available, that just anybody could hail one. 87 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,240 And soon they're even coming to the UK, 88 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,120 starting with the busy streets of London. 89 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,320 It is good at sticking to the speed limit, I'll tell you that. 90 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,160 I think there is actually quite a lot to look forward to 91 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,040 from this future with driverless cars. 92 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,080 Humans make terrible drivers. 93 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,760 And these things, they're not... 94 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,320 They're not falling asleep at the wheel. 95 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,680 They're not drink-driving. They're not getting road rage. 96 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,480 Like, fine. Maybe they're not going to be perfect, 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,600 but there is a lot of scope 98 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,840 for roads to be much safer than they currently are. 99 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:34,360 And I think that is a goal that is worth pursuing. 100 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,240 But the story of how we got to this point 101 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,480 is marked by tragedy and loss. 102 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,240 There was a pedestrian walking a bicycle. 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,240 Once the pedestrian got into the lane of traffic, 104 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,480 the vehicle struck the pedestrian. 105 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,400 It was a self-driving vehicle. 106 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,360 It was in the autonomous mode at the time. 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,080 In Arizona, in 2018, for the first time, 108 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,760 someone was struck and fatally injured 109 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,840 by a driverless car. 110 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,600 NEWSREEL: Rafaela Vasquez was the human backup driver 111 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,520 in the self-driving Uber vehicle that hit and killed Elaine Herzberg. 112 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,080 After years of avoiding the limelight, 113 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,120 the woman at the centre of the story, 114 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,080 Rafaela Vasquez, had agreed to meet me. 115 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,400 Hey! Hi, how are you? Good. How are you doing? 116 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,520 Do you want to come in? Yeah, thank you. 117 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,400 You haven't spoken on camera about this before, have you? No. 118 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,960 How are you feeling about it? I don't know. 119 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,680 I have a whole plethora of emotions going through me, 120 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,520 but my biggest issue going through this 121 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,560 was not being able to rebut anything or even defend myself. 122 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,520 It's like getting a chance to speak for yourself? 123 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Yeah, cos I've been dealing with it now for, what, seven years? 124 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,640 So this is you? Mm-hm. Yes. 125 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,440 And that's to get you in and out of the buildings. 126 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,840 Rafaela got a job at Uber in 2017, not long after the company 127 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,080 had decided to develop their own self-driving cars. 128 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,600 I like a lot of technology stuff. 129 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Self-driving vehicles were starting to emerge. 130 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,040 I knew that Phoenix was becoming a hotbed for it, 131 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,520 so I would see autonomous vehicles roaming around. 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,200 I'm interested in that, so I went and applied. 133 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,880 I passed everything instantly. 134 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,640 So, I was excited. Mmm. 135 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Her job was to ride in the autonomous cars 136 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,160 as Uber began testing their new technology 137 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,560 on Arizona's public roads. 138 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,680 There was a lot of engineers, coders, 139 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,440 but everybody was super nice. 140 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,040 And you have this chance to see the new technology from the inside. 141 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,760 Not just see it, I'm testing it before it even comes out. Yeah. 142 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,000 I loved my job. I absolutely loved my job. 143 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,160 When you were in the cars in those early days, 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,680 how good did you think they were at driving? 145 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,200 They were better than what I thought they were going to be. 146 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,240 And it also depends. Like, Uber vehicles for the longest time 147 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,680 had problems with overreacting with things on the side of the road. 148 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:00,920 And some builds are great, 149 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,520 but then they do another update to try to fix something else 150 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,440 and it makes something else go haywire. 151 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,920 And then you just don't know. 152 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,960 So much has happened to you since that, right? 153 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,000 Yeah. 154 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,920 During its first year of testing in Phoenix, 155 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,720 Uber assigned two operators to every self-driving car. 156 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,640 All right, and we're engaging. 157 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,760 One rode in the passenger seat to track the car's performance. 158 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,520 On the laptop, I can monitor a lot of the prediction software. 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,760 So I can see, like, where the car is going. 160 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,240 Any unexpected behaviour had to be logged on a computer. 161 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,200 The second operator sat behind the wheel 162 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,760 and kept their eyes on the road. 163 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,680 They were expected to take control if the AI in the car malfunctioned. 164 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,560 But a year into testing, Uber changed the set-up. 165 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,240 Now one operator had to watch the road 166 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,760 AND monitor the car's actions. 167 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,240 OK. Come on, then. 168 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,920 This decision to switch to a single human in the car 169 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,160 came just a few months before Rafaela's crash. 170 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,600 Even riding in the car, I still get nervous. Oh, really? 171 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,160 Yeah. That's why I'm hesitating, 172 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 because I'm just trying to not have a panic attack. I understand. 173 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,280 OK. 174 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,200 Oh, sorry. No, don't apologise, please. 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,680 There is no pressure. Like... No, I want to do this. 176 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,880 Are you sure? Yeah. OK, here we go. 177 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,520 I don't want my driving to unnerve you. 178 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,920 No, I'm just worried you're going to get pulled over 179 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,160 cos you're not driving like a typical person. 180 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,120 I'm driving like a granny? 181 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,280 Well, you're driving like an autonomous vehicle, actually. 182 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,720 Oh, really? Right at the speed limit. 183 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,760 THEY LAUGH 184 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,960 Each operator was allocated a route 185 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 which the car would drive again and again. 186 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,280 It could be monotonous work. 187 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Like, the most boring one I hated was this one 188 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,520 through this little neighbourhood. You come out, you go here. 189 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,120 Then this is all like 20 miles an hour down here, down here, 190 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,160 and then, boom, back. 191 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,720 And that's all it is. Round and round... 192 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,520 For eight hours. ..with the car driving itself. Mm-hm. 193 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,440 Humans are not good at paying attention when things get boring. 194 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,160 And with only one operator monitoring a repetitive route, 195 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,960 there was a danger of getting distracted. 196 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,040 But when it wasn't quiet on the streets, 197 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,000 there could be a lot for one person to do. 198 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,600 God, there's lots of students out, isn't there? 199 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,320 Yes, and this is what we're testing. Yeah. 200 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,640 And you can't predict what somebody's going to do. 201 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,640 So I would always take it out of autonomous mode during these areas. 202 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,560 Right. That's why two people was important. 203 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,760 But then all of the sudden, they changed it. 204 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,920 But there are several screens 205 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,960 that you're continually having to look at. 206 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,200 Yes. We were supposed to push buttons and enter codes 207 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,760 any time something happened. 208 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,680 So, you're trying to put something into the iPad 209 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,280 while you're supposed to be monitoring the road. 210 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,320 Yeah. 211 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,720 On the night of March 18th 2018, Rafaela was on her usual test route. 212 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,200 The car was in autonomous mode 213 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,360 and had been running for 19 minutes without incident. 214 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,280 At 9.58pm, it turned right onto Mill Avenue. 215 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,000 At the same time, a pedestrian began walking across Mill Avenue, 216 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,240 pushing a bicycle by her side. 217 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Rafaela was looking down as the vehicle approached the woman. 218 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,520 The car should have detected her, but it didn't. 219 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,920 By the time Rafaela looked up and slammed on the brakes, 220 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,520 it was too late. 221 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,760 The vehicle struck the woman at 39mph. 222 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,000 The pedestrian killed was Elaine Herzberg. 223 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,720 She was often seen on her bike in the area. 224 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,440 She never gave up. She always helped people. 225 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,520 She was funny, funny, funny, funny. 226 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,640 If you were her friend, you felt true love from her. 227 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,720 She didn't deserve what happened to her. 228 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,960 So this is the park... That's the park. Right. 229 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,840 I did... That venue, that theatre, everybody crossed there, 230 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,160 including the homeless people, 231 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,560 cos the homeless people would come here to the park. 232 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,920 That's where she was going. 233 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,720 This was the first time Rafaela had returned to the site of the crash. 234 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Do you see that sign on that post, that light? Yeah, yeah. 235 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,960 She was over there. Oh, gosh. 236 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,680 And she's just screaming the whole time. Yeah. 237 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,280 RAFAELA EXHALES 238 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,320 I... 239 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,040 The screaming, it... 240 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,040 It was just terrible to hear it. And then... 241 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,440 But then what was worse was when it stopped. 242 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,600 And then the ambulance showed up and then they said she'd passed away, 243 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,360 and then I lost it. 244 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:15,600 Somebody died. 245 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,080 Following the collision, the police launched a criminal investigation 246 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,680 into the artificial intelligence car 247 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,760 and its human operator. 248 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,680 Building a system that can drive a car involves much more 249 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,480 than turning a wheel and pressing pedals. 250 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,400 You also need to teach it to do things that humans do instinctively, 251 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,680 like spotting pedestrians and recognising road signs. 252 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,760 We do that without even thinking, 253 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,120 but training a machine to do it has proved incredibly difficult. 254 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,040 So back in the early days of AI, the only real form of intelligence 255 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 that we knew about was human intelligence. 256 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,000 And so people looked to the human brain for some inspiration 257 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,680 about how to build an electronic brain. 258 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,080 And the thing about the human brain is that it is made up 259 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,880 by these billions and billions of neurones 260 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,400 that are connected together. 261 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,560 And as you think, 262 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,440 you are essentially sending these little electrical impulses, 263 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,720 these little bursts that can be big or small, 264 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,800 through this network in your brain. 265 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,680 In the 1950s, people started trying to construct 266 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,080 a much simpler computer version 267 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,440 where a network of artificial neurones 268 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,080 would pass signals between each other. 269 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,320 This concept became what we now call a neural network. 270 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,920 But rather than all of your neurones being kind of intermeshed together, 271 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,200 they appear in layers, like a sort of hierarchy. 272 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,360 Decades later, people realised you could use these neural networks 273 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:15,480 to recognise images - like a stop sign. 274 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,560 Here's a simplified version of how it works. 275 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Each neurone in the hierarchy has its own job. 276 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,760 At the bottom, they're just looking at a single pixel each. 277 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,920 And as you go further up the network, 278 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,920 things get more sophisticated. 279 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,880 Maybe there'll be a neurone up there 280 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,200 that is checking to see if there's some red. 281 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Maybe there's another one up there that's checking to see 282 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,600 if there's an octagonal shape 283 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,440 that stands out from the background behind it. 284 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,400 And all of this information, all of these signals get sent up, 285 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,240 so you eventually get right to the very top, 286 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,200 to the big boss, 287 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,040 who makes a decision based on all of the information 288 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,800 that has flowed through the network, 289 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:03,200 to finally decide whether it thinks it's a stop sign, yes or no. 290 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,880 The extraordinary thing about these networks 291 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,160 is that if you only show it one picture, 292 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,400 it'll just be guessing whether it's a stop sign or not. 293 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,200 But show it thousands and tell it when it's right or wrong 294 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,760 and the AI learns to recognise the sign itself, 295 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,600 adjusting its network every time it makes a mistake. 296 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,400 In the neural networks you'll find in a car, 297 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,600 they'll be classifying not just stop signs, 298 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,120 but pedestrians, vehicles, lampposts, road markings. 299 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:41,920 They are gigantic and gigantically complex, 300 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,800 but the principle is still the same. 301 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,080 This is a machine built through trial and error. 302 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,280 But if errors happen in the real world, on our roads, 303 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,880 the consequences can be fatal. 304 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,080 THUD, TYRES SKID 305 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,600 In April 2019, a Tesla Model S failed to stop at a stop sign 306 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,520 and ploughed through a T junction. 307 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,640 MAN: I'm here. The 911's here. How are you, sir? 308 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:44,880 OFFICER: OK. 309 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,800 The driver of the Tesla, 42-year-old George McGee, 310 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,640 had been on his phone when it fell out of his hand. 311 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,360 He bent down to pick it up, 312 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,920 leaving Tesla's Autopilot to drive the car. 313 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,680 Check his back. Check his back. 314 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,520 But something went wrong. 315 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,760 The Tesla hit 26-year-old Dillon Angulo's truck at 62mph. 316 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Remarkably, Dillon survived the accident. 317 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,960 But he wasn't alone that night. 318 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,440 This picture was actually the day of the crash. 319 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,040 And... 320 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,320 ..we were going fishing, 321 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,240 and we stopped to get bait at the bait store and... 322 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,880 At the time of the accident, Dillon had been with his new girlfriend, 323 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,760 22-year-old Naibel Benavides. 324 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,240 Can I see her? 325 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,000 Oh... 326 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,120 The impact from the Tesla killed Naibel instantly. 327 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,480 She's so gorgeous. 328 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Naibel always had this peace and happiness to her. 329 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,000 And just being around her would just... 330 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,280 It would rub off on you, you know? 331 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,120 I was going to meet her mom the next day. 332 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,040 You know, we were going to catch the fish, 333 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,920 and then I was going to cook lunch for her mom the next day. 334 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,920 And... Was that the first time you were going to meet her mum? 335 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Yeah, that was going to be the first time. Mmm. 336 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,560 And unfortunately, you know, the first time that... 337 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,440 ..I have to meet her mom were under these circumstances. 338 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,680 Oh, my gosh. 339 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,520 I'm so sorry this happened to you. 340 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,960 Right away, they started doing an investigation into the accident. 341 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,120 And I finally get my hands on the police body cam video... 342 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,640 ..and in that police body cam video, the driver, yeah, he's like, 343 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,280 "I was driving. I was on the phone. I had the car on Autopilot Cruise." 344 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,720 I started to do research and I had no idea this existed, you know? 345 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,200 This thing called Autopilot, where the cars can drive themselves, 346 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,720 you know? And... 347 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,560 And right then and there, I was like... 348 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,880 .."This guy was relying on this car to drive itself. 349 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,400 "This is why this happened to us." 350 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,360 Autopilot is Tesla's advanced 351 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,560 driver assist function, 352 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,360 highlighted in their slick promotional videos 353 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,360 that sell a vision of technological sophistication, 354 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,400 safety and convenience, 355 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,680 showing that it can steer, brake and change lanes on real roads 356 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,160 in the real world. 357 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,360 Tesla Car next year will probably be 358 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,880 90% capable of Autopilot, 359 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,280 like so 90% of your miles could be on auto. 360 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,760 Other car companies will follow. 361 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,360 Elon Musk has even tweeted 362 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:03,360 that his cars can completely drive themselves, 363 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,280 but they can't. 364 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720 The driver's manual says a human still has to be 365 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,760 in full control of the car. 366 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,280 This thing is psychotic. Oh, my God! Yeah, it's turning. 367 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,040 I'm not involved in this. Watch the road. 368 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,480 What do you think Autopilot...?! Whoa, Jesus, that was scary. 369 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,640 Wait, there's a double yellow line. Am I on the right side of the road? 370 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,480 No, you are not! Get the fuck over! Are you serious? Yes! 371 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,920 Look! Don't fucking trust this thing. 372 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,600 And there's serious safety concerns over the Autopilot feature. 373 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,040 REPORTER: This Tesla crashed into a highway divider in California, 374 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,280 killing the driver. 375 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,880 Another slammed into a parked fire truck in Utah. 376 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,800 Both had the Autopilot feature on. 377 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000 This is the bend right before 378 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,680 the intersection where the accident happened. 379 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,280 And at night, from right here, 380 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,800 you could already see the red light blinking from right here. 381 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,160 Oh, yeah. I see it. 382 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,200 This is where her body ended up laying. 383 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,720 You know, we'd pulled over to look at the stars. 384 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,600 It's crazy how far her body flew, you know? 385 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,160 That's how fast the car was going straight through this intersection. 386 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,720 Six months after the fatal collision, 387 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 the man behind the wheel of the Tesla, George McGee, 388 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,720 was charged with careless driving, which he didn't contest. 389 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,240 But Dillon wanted Tesla to also be held accountable. 390 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,480 These car manufacturers, they need to do a better job 391 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,880 with designing these cars. 392 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,360 We want justice. Naibel's family and I, we want... We want justice. 393 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,880 These cars were allowed on the road 394 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120 before they were ready to be on the road. 395 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,880 They were not safe. 396 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,840 And they were advertised as these cars that can drive themselves. 397 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,960 Tesla offered Dillon and Naibel's family an undisclosed sum 398 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,880 to draw a line under the case. 399 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,560 But they refused and a court date was set. 400 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,960 Tesla would now face a jury trial over its Autopilot system. 401 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,760 NEWSREADER: First At Five, the video showing the moments 402 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,840 before an Uber self-driving car crashes. 403 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,600 Backup driver Rafaela Vasquez looks down for approximately four seconds. 404 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,880 Back in 2018, the fallout from Rafaela's crash 405 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,120 had left the whole self-driving industry hanging in the balance. 406 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,720 If there's no human driver, 407 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,080 who bears the responsibility when a car makes a misstep? 408 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,720 Is there enough safety built in before we deploy these vehicles? 409 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Is there any suggestion at the moment 410 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,400 that Uber has done something wrong? We don't know. 411 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Under intense media and political scrutiny, 412 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800 Tempe's police investigation left no stone unturned. 413 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,080 So the police have sent over all of their digital evidence. 414 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Erm... 415 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,680 And I have not yet watched this. Let's have a look. 416 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,560 The actual car in the police compound being analysed. 417 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Oh, my gosh, look at that. 418 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,760 And then there's also one that says "Seize phones." 419 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560 They're knocking on someone's door. It's the police department. 420 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,400 They've obviously blurred everyone's faces. 421 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,400 Hey. Hey, Rafaela. 422 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,640 We're coming up to do follow up regarding the accident, 423 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,480 because we have a seizure warrant for your cellphone. 424 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,200 They've got a warrant for her phone. 425 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,960 Which one... Which number did you want? OK, Rafaela. 426 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,120 How many phones do you have? What? How many phones do you have? 427 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,440 I have my work phone and then my personal phone. 428 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,920 But my work phone is the one I had at work. 429 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,640 So the warrant's saying we need both phones. 430 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960 Well, we need all the phones. How many? 431 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,040 All of your phones. 432 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,680 Why are they taking her phones? 433 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,960 Thank you, Rafaela. 434 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,200 Hi! Hi, good morning. 435 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Kasey Marsland was the lead detective on the case. 436 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,600 He agreed to show me the footage he'd obtained from Uber. 437 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,600 So this is the footage with all three of the camera views. 438 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,520 When I first hit play, 439 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,440 we can see the driver looking down multiple times. Mmm. 440 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680 And there didn't seem to be a logical explanation 441 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920 as to why she was looking down. 442 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,280 So we're coming up to the crash now, are we? Yes. 443 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,320 And there. 444 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,360 Can you go back a few frames in this? Of course. 445 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,480 I just want to see what's happening immediately before. Sure. 446 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,880 So looking down, looking down, looking down, 447 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,320 looking down, looking down, looking down, 448 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,280 looking up... Oh. Oh, wow. Yes. HANNAH GASPS 449 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,320 What does she say she was looking at? 450 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Initially, there was a statement 451 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,400 that it had to do with the iPad in the centre of the vehicle. 452 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,880 And does that broadly stack up? 453 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,000 Were Uber requiring people to look at screens while they were driving? 454 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,520 So the... Yes, that was... One of the purposes of her job, 455 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,400 was to monitor the vehicle. 456 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,920 And if there was anything abnormal, 457 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200 she would need to interact with that screen. 458 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520 I mean, they're conflicting instructions, right, 459 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,240 that, like... Yes. ..they're supposed to be looking at screens 460 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,560 but simultaneously monitoring the road. 461 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,360 Yeah, it definitely presents a bit of a challenge. 462 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,560 Yeah. However, when we of course looked at what the screen 463 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760 was actually showing at the time, 464 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,960 it didn't show that there was any sort of alerts 465 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240 or any sort of interaction with the screen. 466 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,800 We looked into the phone. 467 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,040 We saw the apps that were installed on her personal phone. 468 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160 We noticed Hulu was an active app on her phone, 469 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,160 and when we wrote a search warrant to the company, 470 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680 they responded with a printout of the activity on the account. 471 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320 And that's what gave us probably the most important information 472 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,120 at the time. And what did it say? 473 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,440 So this was the information that was provided from Hulu. 474 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,560 And it shows that the show The Voice was being streamed 475 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,360 to her personal phone. 476 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400 So what was your take on seeing all of this? 477 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480 Essentially, this goes to the beginning of her shift. 478 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,720 She started her shift by driving the vehicle out of the garage, 479 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,120 and it was at that time, before she even got onto the roadway, 480 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,040 that she had set up and started streaming the Hulu. 481 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,400 And so I think that the conscious decision to provide yourself 482 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,480 with a likely distraction before even getting onto the roadway 483 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,600 is an absolutely reckless decision to be made. 484 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,640 So I found... I found a couple of clips around the time. 485 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560 And lots of them are not on your side. 486 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Some of them were terrible, especially at first. 487 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,280 Take a look at this. This is Hulu records. 488 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,400 It turns out she was streaming that singing competition The Voice 489 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,280 at the time when she should have been watching the road. 490 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Rafaela Vasquez was riding in autonomous mode at the time, 491 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,760 but she was distracted and looking down for more than 30% 492 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,520 of the nearly 22 minutes before the crash. 493 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,480 Right there - they're right. 494 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,480 I wasn't distracted, I was doing my job. 495 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,600 I had other things to do other than operate the vehicle, 496 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,880 cos we went to one person. 497 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,800 So I had duties assigned. 498 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,640 Like, in the video, you see me look away. I am looking away. 499 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,280 But if you time them, and even the police did, 500 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000 I never looked away for more than five seconds. 501 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,280 Why? Cos that's how we were trained. 502 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,720 We were trained to look, boom, 503 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280 iPad five seconds, then look back, boom. 504 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Over here, five seconds, look back, boom. 505 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,200 Our cellphones, we have to Bluetooth them in to the vehicle. 506 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,040 I wasn't watching TV, I was listening to it. 507 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760 But the police said I was watching - 508 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,520 that means that's a definitive statement. 509 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,040 You just told the public 510 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600 that you have evidence that I was watching something. 511 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,320 That's bullshit, because you don't. 512 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080 You have evidence that I was Bluetooth streaming something, 513 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,760 but, hello, streaming, Bluetooth - you can listen to stuff. 514 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880 People do it all the time with music. 515 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Everyone automatically assumed - because the police said it - 516 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,520 that I was watching Hulu, and because of that, I was negligent, 517 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,600 therefore, I was unable to prevent the accident, 518 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,840 therefore the charge. 519 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,440 The investigation lasted for two and a half years 520 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200 before Rafaela was finally charged. 521 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400 Where were you when the indictment came through? 522 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,800 I was at home. My attorneys informed me. 523 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,600 They just told me that I was going to be indicted 524 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,680 for negligent homicide. 525 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520 I said, "What?" And they said, "Negligent homicide." 526 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,600 Negligent homicide?! I said, "Homicide?" 527 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,400 I said, "So, murder?" 528 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,160 That's just me, how I interpret that. So I now... 529 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,280 I'm like, "Are you k..." I didn't know what to say or do. 530 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,640 Now I'm in shock. 531 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,760 If found guilty, Rafaela faced up to eight years in prison. 532 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,160 With conflicting accounts from both sides, 533 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,720 I decided to track down the official accident report. 534 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,800 The report concluded that the crash was probably caused 535 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,400 by Rafaela's failure to monitor the driving environment, 536 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,240 but it was also critical of Uber, 537 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,000 uncovering troubling flaws in the design of its AI programming. 538 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,600 This table is particularly interesting, 539 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,320 cos this is like seeing inside the brain 540 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,320 of what the driverless car was thinking at the time. 541 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,560 The car actually notices that there's something there 542 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,320 5.6 seconds before the collision, 543 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,160 which is plenty of time to start braking or turning. 544 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520 And initially it's radar 545 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,920 that detects there's something in the distance. 546 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,120 It predicts it's a vehicle, though. 547 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,360 And then 0.4 seconds later, 548 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,000 the lidar kicks in and picks up that there's something there. 549 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,960 The lidar doesn't know what it is, though. 550 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,560 It just classifies it as "other", something unknown. 551 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Now the lidar keeps changing its mind. 552 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,720 So a full second later, 553 00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:57,800 changes its mind, decides it's a vehicle, 554 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,960 then 0.3 of a second later, changes its mind again, 555 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,360 and then it keeps switching - 556 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960 vehicle, other, vehicle, other. 557 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,280 The computer within this driverless car is not connecting the dots. 558 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,840 It's not seeing this as one object whose classification keeps changing, 559 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,200 whose path is slowly moving over time. 560 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,040 Instead, it is seeing this as brand-new objects every single time. 561 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,200 In fact, it's only 1.2 seconds before impact 562 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000 that it finally decides to settle that it's a bicycle. 563 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,920 Obviously way too late to actually do anything about it. 564 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,480 Terrifying. 565 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,760 You design a system that fails to track the path of an object 566 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,280 until it's decided what it is? 567 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,800 If you've got something that you're going to collide with, 568 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,040 I don't care what it is! I care about that it's going to collide. 569 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,640 That's insane. 570 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680 "Although the system sensed the pedestrian nearly six seconds 571 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,120 "before the impact, the system never classified her as a pedestrian 572 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000 "or predicted correctly her goal. 573 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400 "The system design did not include 574 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,720 "a consideration for jaywalking pedestrians." 575 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,120 It wasn't designed to recognise people 576 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,040 unless they were on a crosswalk. 577 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,200 I think this is pretty damning, actually. 578 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,240 What was this thing doing on the roads? 579 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,800 The report made me want to know more about what was happening 580 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,880 inside Uber around the time of Rafaela's crash in 2018. 581 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,200 After some digging, I found Robbie Miller... 582 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120 Robbie, hi! 583 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,440 ..an operations manager who'd been at Uber 584 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,040 at the same time as Rafaela. 585 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,000 He had quit on safety grounds 586 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,920 just a few days before the fatal collision. 587 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,080 I'd been working in the self-driving space 588 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560 for four or five years at this point. 589 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,120 I was running the self-driving truck fleet for Uber. 590 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,440 Eventually, there was a move to combine the operations 591 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,680 of the testing for self-driving cars and self-driving trucks. 592 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,880 How did you feel about that? 593 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040 I was not at all comfortable with it. 594 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,960 The self-driving cars were having significant issues. 595 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,320 There's a lot of really scary incidences that are occurring - 596 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,720 near misses, near collisions. 597 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,200 We would have, you know, an incident 598 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,560 where the car was driving on the sidewalk...in broad daylight. 599 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,880 And you realise, like, this... 600 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,800 They are headed on a path 601 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,440 where someone is going to get seriously injured or worse. 602 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,280 And so I... 603 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,000 I gave notice. 604 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,440 There's this overarching fear, I would say, at Uber, 605 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,320 that Waymo is about to release their self-driving cars. 606 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,040 And it's... 607 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,480 I think it's very scary for Uber's leadership to not have a response. 608 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,680 So it's turned into a race? It is absolutely a race. 609 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,600 Waymo, owned by Google's parent company Alphabet, 610 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,440 was Uber's arch-rival. 611 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,840 Just five months after Waymo launched its first public trial, 612 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,160 Uber moved from two operators in the car to one. 613 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,720 You need to show to your investors, "Hey, we're making this progress." 614 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,680 An easy way to do that is just take someone out of the car. 615 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,720 And this is something I mentioned - 616 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,200 "You need that second person in the vehicle. 617 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,960 "You're not ready to take that person out of the vehicle." 618 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,920 Just a few days after I left, the crash occurred. 619 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,200 And... Where did you first hear about it? 620 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,280 I was driving 621 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,720 and I received a phone call from one of my former co-workers at Uber. 622 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,920 And I sat in the parking lot and cried for 15 minutes. 623 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,600 Wow. 624 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,600 I am very passionate about the technology. 625 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,800 I believe in the technology. I want the technology to succeed. 626 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,320 But there's... 627 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,040 There's a way to do it. 628 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,040 A few years after Rafaela's fatal crash, 629 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000 Uber sold off its self-drive division, 630 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240 leaving the path clear for Waymo. 631 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,440 Here you go! Waymo's just crashed. 632 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,080 AI technology - not working! 633 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,960 Why is this happening to me on a Monday? I'm in a Waymo car... 634 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,800 AUTOMATED VOICE: Connected to Rider Support. 635 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,240 ..and... This call may be recorded for quality assurance. 636 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,320 ..this car is just going in circles. 637 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,960 Hi there, Mike. This is Gab. I'm calling from Waymo support... 638 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,800 Yeah, I got a flight to catch. 639 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,320 Why is this thing going in a circle? I'm getting dizzy. 640 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,040 Waymo are now the dominant force in driverless taxis in the US, 641 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,080 with 2,500 of them on the road. 642 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,560 Experts have praised their safety record. 643 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,800 But some see these cars as symbols of the powerful tech elite 644 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,560 and their disconnection from the lives of ordinary people. 645 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,000 Hey! Hello. 646 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,680 And there's one group who've decided to take action. 647 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,400 Nice to meet you. It's nice to meet you. How are you all doing? 648 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,480 Doing well. Doing well. 649 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640 They call themselves the Safe Street Rebels 650 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,960 and carry out their operations incognito. 651 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,200 What is it about the autonomous driving that you dislike, though? 652 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,480 They are heavily promoting themselves 653 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520 as the future of public transit, 654 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,160 and we just fundamentally don't think 655 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,600 they're the future of public transit. 656 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680 They're just a taxi where you don't talk to someone. 657 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,080 And when that car is not parked, it's still driving around, waiting. 658 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000 50% of the miles they drive, there's nobody in the vehicle. 659 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,520 In addition, they cannot be ticketed 660 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080 for any kind of moving violation in the city. 661 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,120 We have videos of them driving 40mph 662 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,240 on the wrong side of the road, and nobody can do anything about it. 663 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,480 They're completely immune. 664 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,520 What, they're above the kind of rules that would stand 665 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,200 for an Uber driver or a Lyft driver? 666 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,440 Yes, and if they can't do something about it, we can. 667 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,360 To express their frustration, 668 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,160 the group go around San Francisco disabling Waymos. 669 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,600 Let me understand the strategy, then. 670 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,480 So how easy are they to override? 671 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560 LAUGHS: Pretty easy! Definitely pretty easy. 672 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,880 We're not allowed to show you how they disable these cars, 673 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680 although it's not exactly high-tech. 674 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,920 So you're not putting them out of action permanently? No, no. 675 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,720 And we're not causing any damage to them either. 676 00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:22,760 It's like... It's painter's tape, 677 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,960 so it doesn't leave any residue when you remove it. 678 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480 There's one... There's one coming. Right. 679 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,320 There's one, there's one... Yeah. Check this one. 680 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,360 Someone go in front. 681 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,560 MAN: Fuck it up! Fuck it up! 682 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,120 CHEERING 683 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,200 Did you hear that? 684 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,480 There was people on the sidewalk who were, like, cheering them on. 685 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,720 The disabled car was now blocking the road. 686 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,240 CHIME AUTOMATED VOICE: Please step back. 687 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,840 So the one behind hasn't been taped but is stuck. 688 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,880 There's another one coming. Oh, my gosh! 689 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,280 Three of them... 690 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,440 ..and they're just stuck. 691 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,200 And now there's another car behind, flashing. 692 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,800 But it has a human driver, so they can go around the problem. 693 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,800 Is it actually illegal, what you're doing? 694 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:18,880 We don't think it's illegal. 695 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,320 We can't find any law that it breaks. 696 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,640 It's not vandalism, so... It's hard to point any law we're breaking. 697 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,400 Are there not other ways that you could do this? I mean, can you... 698 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,440 I don't know, is there, like, not a more sort of democratic way? 699 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,760 It would be nice if we could vote, 700 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,320 if we had the opportunity to vote on them, 701 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,960 but we have not been presented with that opportunity yet. 702 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000 Is this... Does it feel a bit like this is something 703 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,240 that has happened to you rather than with you? 704 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,760 I mean, absolutely. 705 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,040 Hey, yo, there's one coming the other side. 706 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840 Other side, other side, other side. Other side! It's coming. Yeah. 707 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,320 Yeah. You want to get in front? 708 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600 They are surprisingly easy to bully, aren't they? 709 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,960 The other thing that I think was really surprising 710 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,200 was just how many of them were going past, right? 711 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,560 And maybe it's the time of day, but, I mean... 712 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,040 ..hardly any of them have people inside. 713 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,160 Yeah, it's empty. 714 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,000 They did say something that I hadn't considered before, 715 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400 which is about how they are continually circling 716 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,480 when they don't have people inside them. 717 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,440 And that I hadn't considered, because of course, 718 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,200 there's a congestion aspect... 719 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,760 ..but there's an environmental aspect, too. 720 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,480 I mean, they've gotta be powered. 721 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,360 Hmm. Interesting. 722 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,680 Interesting. 723 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,880 It happened fast. 724 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200 The hearing for Rafaela Vasquez was scheduled 725 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,680 as a settlement conference, 726 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,400 but it quickly led to a plea deal. 727 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,840 In July 2023, after five years of legal wrangling, 728 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,840 Rafaela accepted a plea deal to avoid going to jail. 729 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640 The agreement indicates that you wish to plead guilty to 730 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,120 the crime of endangerment. 731 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,640 The offence is non-dangerous, non-repetitive. 732 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,760 Is that the crime that you wish to plead guilty to? Yes. 733 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,680 She pled guilty to a reduced charge - endangerment - 734 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,720 with the guarantee it would be lowered to the least-serious 735 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,080 category of offence, following three years of probation. 736 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,160 Ah! Hey, how are you? Look who it is. Hi. 737 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,760 I wanted to meet Rafaela's lawyers, Al Morrison.... 738 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,720 How are you? ..and Marci Kratter. 739 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,120 So good to see you. 740 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,000 Why did you take this case on? 741 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,800 Our job is to fight for the little guy - no offence - 742 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,680 but she was the little guy. 743 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,080 And the more we got into this case, 744 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,600 the more we realised just how one-sided it was. 745 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520 Where do you think this came from, then? I mean, is this... 746 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640 Is this the police, or is this from Uber? 747 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,560 Uber. Really? 748 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,280 They did whatever they could to make it not their fault. 749 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,240 And it's David and Goliath. Yeah. 750 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,200 We have this single person 751 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,720 up against a multimillion-dollar company with unlimited resources. 752 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,720 The problem was that there were so many aspects of the way 753 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,360 these cars were programmed 754 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,760 that didn't account for real-world situations. 755 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,600 The most obvious one is, the thing wasn't programmed 756 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,440 to deal with jaywalkers. 757 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,400 To save yourself in a campus, college campus, 758 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,920 to not programme vehicles to deal with jaywalking 759 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,760 I think is the height of negligence. 760 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,400 I was scared to go to trial. 761 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,840 If I lose, it's prison time, no ifs, ands or buts. 762 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,080 And the media already destroyed me out there. 763 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,520 That's always in the back of our minds as lawyers, 764 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,960 and certainly our clients' minds, that it's the exposure. 765 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,240 "What's going to happen to me if I go to trial and lose?" 766 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,640 But Marci and I felt like we had a great case, 767 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680 but we also understood the risk was all hers. 768 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480 Me not going to trial has no reflection on them. 769 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,680 These two saved my life. 770 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600 They absolutely saved my life. 771 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,760 No criminal charges were ever brought against Uber. 772 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,920 Rafaela got dealt a really rough hand, 773 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,720 and this didn't play out fairly. 774 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,680 Maybe she was watching her phone. 775 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,160 Maybe she wasn't. Like, I... 776 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,880 Honestly, I don't know, but I also... 777 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,040 I don't think that that's the point of this. 778 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,560 The scandal here is that you have got this massive corporate, 779 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:15,240 multibillion-dollar project which is not prioritising 780 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,920 the safety of the people who are in the cars, or, like, 781 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,400 the members of the public who haven't even agreed 782 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,840 to participate in the experiment. 783 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,440 It is not enough to say that all of the responsibility lies with 784 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,120 the person who was in the car. 785 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360 That's not enough. That's not enough for me. 786 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,440 Back in Miami, Dillon and Naibel's family were taking Tesla to court 787 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080 over the fatal crash that had killed Naibel. 788 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,400 Nice to meet you. I'm Hannah. Adam. Great to see you. Great to meet you. 789 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600 What's up, buddy? 790 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600 SHE CHUCKLES 791 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,280 Dillon's lawyer, Adam Boumel, 792 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,040 brought me up to speed on the case. 793 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,440 This is a sort of situation where there's no precedent at all. 794 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,840 Does that make it quite difficult to build a legal case when you're, 795 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680 I don't know, forging a new path? Extremely. Yeah? 796 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,680 I mean, we had to do it from the start. 797 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,960 This is creating the law. 798 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,320 Obviously, from day one, Tesla's position was, 799 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,560 this is 100% driver's fault. 800 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,680 The thing is that it's difficult to untangle the responsibility 801 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,640 in this case, because you're not saying that the driver had 802 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,120 no responsibility at all. No, of course not. 803 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,800 We 100% acknowledge that the driver had responsibility. 804 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,000 And our position from day one has been that this is a case 805 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,760 of shared responsibility. 806 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,480 Yes, the driver was at fault. 807 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,120 He was distracted, he was disengaged from the driving task. 808 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,960 But then you have to ask yourself, 809 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,200 why was he disengaged from the driving task? 810 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,760 And you realise that Tesla fostered this belief in him, 811 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,080 this trust of the system that was unwarranted. 812 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,040 He thought that the car would stop or swerve or do something 813 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,600 before ploughing into a parked vehicle. 814 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,600 Do you have the data from inside the car? 815 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,480 Do you know what the car was seeing? 816 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,240 So, we were able to finally get the data from inside the car, 817 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,920 showing what the Autopilot computer was detecting and processing. 818 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,520 The computer understood that the car was speeding 819 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,000 towards the end of the road. 820 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,880 It appreciated the stop sign. 821 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,920 It appreciated the blinking red light. 822 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,960 It appreciated Dillon's parked SUV. 823 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,800 So, it identified a lot of things, and it did nothing. 824 00:50:55,720 --> 00:51:00,080 The car knew what was going on in front of it, 825 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,800 and didn't do nothing to warn the driver to stop the car. 826 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,760 So, this isn't a case of misinformation 827 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,440 inside the car's system. 828 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,400 The car has all of the information it needed in order 829 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,120 to avoid the collision. 830 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,600 But it was programmed not to behave in the way that the driver thought 831 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,480 it was programmed to behave. 832 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,440 Did the car behave as people expected and believed it should, 833 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,600 based off of Tesla's marketing and Elon Musk's statements, 834 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,800 in kind of hyping up the capabilities of this car? 835 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,000 When you take that backdrop and you put it against this case, 836 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,920 the car did nothing that anybody thought it would or should. 837 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,840 So, this has almost become a case of, like, 838 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,000 misadvertising or, like, misrepresentation, then? 839 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,480 They make the consumers and drivers believe that 840 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,200 the car is more capable, 841 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,000 creating false expectations in their drivers. 842 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,240 In the Uber crash, the blame had been laid 843 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,440 firmly on Rafaela's shoulders. 844 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,120 With Tesla, would this now be the first time the car itself 845 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,080 would be considered at fault? 846 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,560 Tonight, a Florida jury forcing Tesla to pay $243 million 847 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,520 to victims in a deadly 2019 crash, 848 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,080 the jury finding flaws in Tesla's self-driving software 849 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,800 were partly to blame. 850 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,160 We can be proud that we stood up, 851 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,720 and that we did everything in our power to help shine light 852 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,120 on what's going on. 853 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,960 Against all odds, Dillon emerged victorious in court, 854 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,160 forcing Tesla to take some responsibility - 855 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,960 for the first time ever - 856 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560 for a crash involving its Autopilot system. 857 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,880 It was a shocking landmark verdict 858 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,440 that could well reshape the future of self-driving cars. 859 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920 When they gave the verdict, how was it? 860 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160 It was very emotional, you know? 861 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,720 I mean, like, me and my dad, we started hugging each other and, 862 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:34,400 you know, praying... that we would get justice. 863 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,720 You know, from the beginning, we knew this was 864 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,080 a joint liability case, 865 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,640 and the jury decided to hold Tesla accountable. 866 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,480 And I'm grateful for that. 867 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,640 And I'm grateful that people heard all the evidence, 868 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,680 and saw that Tesla made a mistake. 869 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,280 I really get the impression that this has never been 870 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,800 about money for you. 871 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,840 It was more important for us to shine light, 872 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,040 and to show the world that this technology is not safe. 873 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,280 People will come to me and, you know, tell me congratulations. 874 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,400 But I don't feel like it's something to celebrate. 875 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600 Like... You're not walking away from this a winner. 876 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:23,520 I would say it's more just... justice was served. Yeah. 877 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,560 Tesla plan to appeal the ruling. 878 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,480 Meanwhile, in the UK, 879 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,080 British firm Wayve will launch their self-driving cars 880 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,880 in London later this year. 881 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,200 This feels like so much more high stakes than it did 882 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,600 when I was in Phoenix. 883 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,240 I mean, this is slightly wild for me, right? 884 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,680 Like, I've lived in London for 20 years, 885 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,880 and we're driving in a driverless car down Camden High Street. 886 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000 THEY LAUGH 887 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,000 Like, this is... 888 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,720 This is honestly something I thought was much further in the future. 889 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,200 It never gets old. 890 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,760 Wayve CEO Alex Kendall points out that the AI in driverless cars 891 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,280 has come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. 892 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,800 And this is interesting. This person's body language was 893 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200 sort of turning backwards and forwards away from the crossing. 894 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,680 So, that was noticeable, actually. 895 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,280 The car sort of changed its mind a couple of times. 896 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,320 It saw the person turn their body back and forth. 897 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560 The AI has got quite good at learning that kind of intent. 898 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,880 So, it's like super, super fancy cruise control. 899 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,200 It's a completely different experience from cruise control. 900 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,240 Have I just undercut your product there? 901 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,240 You're comparing a floppy disk with a quantum computer. 902 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,840 Think of AI as the next evolution of tooling. 903 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,960 When you think about the wheel, the calculator, the computer - 904 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,720 different tools that, as humanity, 905 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:03,560 we've invented to push forward society... Mm-hm. 906 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,000 ..I think intelligent machines will be that next evolution of this. 907 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,760 Whether you like it or not, driverless cars are coming. 908 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,200 I mean, they're here already. 909 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,800 And I still think there's lots of good to come from that. 910 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,640 But to get to this point, we had to go through that difficult phase. 911 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,640 We had to go through the learning - which, I mean, by definition, 912 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,640 learning involves making mistakes. 913 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,880 It's just that these mistakes, you know, these deaths, 914 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,400 these lives that were ruined, 915 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,160 I don't think that they were inevitable. 916 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,640 I don't think that they were an acceptable price to pay 917 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,120 for a new technology. 918 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,520 I think different choices could have been made. 919 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,080 I think there were different ways to balance the roll-out of 920 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,440 the new product with the safety of the public. 921 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,480 And I just hope now that these are lessons from the past, 922 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,400 you know, I hope that the steepest part of this learning curve 923 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,080 is now behind us. 924 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,440 SIRENS WAIL 925 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280 The chief executive of one of the United States's largest 926 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,920 health insurance companies has been shot and killed in New York. 927 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,680 The alleged killer has been identified as Luigi Mangione. 928 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,840 The suspect had something to say about the insurance industry. 929 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,440 The insurance companies are relying on algorithms to make decisions 930 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,200 to deny patient care. 931 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:16,960 Stop denials with AI! 932 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,600 ALL: How many people have to die? 933 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,440 The anger and the upset is real. 934 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,400 ALL: Health care is a human right! 935 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:32,040 To discover more about AI and how it can shape our future, go to... 936 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,120 ..or scan the QR code on the screen now. 125706

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