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On September 8th, 1966,
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America tunes in to
catch a glimpse of the future
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and launches a global phenomenon.
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A television series like no other
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that unites us in its vision
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of a better world to come.
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Here's a group of people
who are solving problems together,
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and they're all
different, diverse people.
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This is the
secret history of "Star Trek."
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It's epic 50-year mission.
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That was what was so
brilliant about "Star Trek"
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was that it was human
nature and human instinct
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and the drive to want to know more
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combined with adventure.
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The mastermind of
the "Star Trek" universe.
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And Gene says, "Do you
want to be on Star Trek?"
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I said, "Yes. Yes!"
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The cast and
crew reveal the stories
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you've never heard.
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Roddenberry looked
at the beard and goes,
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"I love the beard. It's nautical."
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Plus Leonard
Nimoy's final full interview.
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If I were given the
choice of any character
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ever portrayed on
television, I would choose Spock.
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Happy anniversary, "Star Trek."
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Happy 50th. Wow, way to go.
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Before anybody else were
touching on subjects,
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racism, segregation, discrimination,
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before any other TV shows did.
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Voyager" is
probably my first acting job.
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There's an optimism to it
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that I think we've never
needed more than now.
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Seven of Nine's one of my favorite
"Star Trek" characters
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because she was so hot.
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Featuring an intimate
conversation with cast members,
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comedians, scientists, and academics
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covering all things "Star Trek."
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That was one of my big
fears in accepting the role.
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Happy 50th anniversary, "Star Trek."
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You know how old that makes me?
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We're here on the 50th
anniversary of "Star Trek"
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at the Griffith Observatory
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outside the Leonard Nimoy theater
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to discuss "Star Trek" with
a lot of great people
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and a lot of fine
minds and Kevin Pollak.
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Let's just jump right into it.
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Let's talk about the
general impact of "Star Trek."
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The great sense of
discovery and curiosity
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on this five-year
mission to seek out new worlds.
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You know, those... those...
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That phraseology was kind of impactful.
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"The Measure of
Man" where Data's on trial,
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that's the episode that
led me to create my class.
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- Oh, wow.
- Because it has references
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to slavery in it, and I thought about,
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"Gee, this is very interesting."
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You know, there's a
whole pro-slavery argument.
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It's really the Dred
Scott decision worked out there.
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- Yeah.
- Is Data property or not?
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I saw a couple episodes
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of the original series when I was a kid
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because you can't not
have seen some things.
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I saw the Tribble episode, I think,
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and I saw the planet of kids, "grups."
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And they were saying, "Grups,
grups," that one.
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- Whatever.
- Yeah.
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But I was never a sci-fi fan,
so I wasn't into it.
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And I never watched any
of the other incarnations
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until I was on the show.
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I saw "Star Trek" as this, you know,
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amazing way of bringing
humanity together, right?
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You had the height of the Cold War.
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You had Russian and
American people working together.
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You had black people and
white people working together.
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That's an incredible
thing to see as a kid
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when, you know, you're from two worlds
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that really also don't get along.
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I first started on the original series,
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my mother was a big
fan, and those were reruns
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that were happening at the time.
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It was right before "Next
Generation" started
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and it was... I just
always was fascinated
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by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness.
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That relationship with
Spock I thought was amazing.
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He just was, like, "I can't stand you,
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- but I love you."
- Yeah.
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And I was like, "Oh, that's my family."
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I understand
everything from "Star Trek."
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- Yes.
- You know, it's funny
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because I wasn't allowed to watch TV
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when "Star Trek" was on the air.
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My parents wouldn't let me watch it.
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So I snuck downstairs
and I turned on the TV.
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And, uh, that was my first...
The first time I saw the show.
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I think it was, um, "This
Side of Paradise"
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- was the episode.
- Oh.
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And you could tell that
whoever was doing the show
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was a science fiction fan.
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"Star Trek" begins
as the brainchild of one man,
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Gene Roddenberry, a
former World War II pilot
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and policeman turned screenwriter.
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His first television
series premieres in 1963,
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and features a few faces that
will soon become familiar
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to "Trek" fans.
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He was a big man, enthusiastic.
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He really, really
loved producing a show,
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which he had never done before.
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He created "The Lieutenant."
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It was "The Lieutenant." It
was his first big TV show.
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And he cast me.
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I had acted in an episode of
a series called "The Lieutenant"
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that was produced by Gene Roddenberry.
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My agent called me and
said, "He's interested in you
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for a science fiction
pilot that he's gonna produce.
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"The Lieutenant"
runs for just one season,
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but Roddenberry's
already working on a bigger idea.
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In 1964, he begins
pitching a series about a starship
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with a multi-ethnic crew.
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I had worked for him
directly when his secretary was ill.
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And he knew that I had sold some things
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that I wanted to be a
writer, a full-time writer.
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And he called me into
his office and said,
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"What do you think of
this?" And he showed me
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about a 10-12 page piece that
was called "Star Trek."
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- Well, he had done...
- "The Lieutenant."
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I went in to do a pitch on a story.
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Somehow or another, he
asked if I was interested
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in doing "Star Trek."
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I said, "Yeah, I would
be interested in that."
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And I went home, and I read it,
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and I came back the
next day, and I said,
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"Who plays Mr. Spock."
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The script was very good, very good.
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I didn't quite
understand how it was gonna work
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as a television show because
it was so unique.
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It was really quite special.
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But it was a very intelligent script.
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It had layers of ideas in it
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that you didn't often get in television.
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Roddenberry was very inspired
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by Jonathan Swift's
"Gulliver's Travels."
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And wanted to tell stories
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that you couldn't normally
tell on television
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through the prism of science fiction.
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He was such a complex
and interesting man.
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Very bright, very bright.
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Hard-working.
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Tough job, tough job.
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Particularly getting "Star Trek" right
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the first couple of seasons.
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To get it... to get it what
he wanted it to be.
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They didn't think there was a
big enough audience out there.
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They thought it was gonna
be sci-fi kooks and kids.
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And they didn't think they
could make enough money
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from their sponsors to
put these on in prime-time.
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Well, they had put on
"Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"
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in fall of '64, winning
its timeslot for ABC.
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Fall of '65, he puts
on "Lost In Space" on CBS.
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It's winning its timeslot for CBS.
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That was when they made
the decision to put it on
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for the fall of '66. NBC wants one.
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They felt they were missing the boat.
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President John F. Kennedy
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issues a challenge,
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to put a man on the moon before
the end of the decade.
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The space race heats up as
America looks to the stars.
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And one unlikely
supporter sees an opportunity.
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Well, "Star Trek"
may be the first TV show
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I can really remember.
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Impossible."
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In fact, the both... the two
great Desilu productions.
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The other player in "Star Trek"
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and get it on the air was Lucille Ball
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with Desilu Studios.
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It was Lucille Ball who
said, "Let's make this."
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That studio was built on reruns.
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And when "I Love
Lucy" was in production,
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they wanted to film it here in LA.
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So they said, "We'll pay
the difference and film this
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if we can have the rerun rights."
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And the answer from
Harry Ackerman at CBS was,
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"What's a rerun?"
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Nobody had ever rerun anything on TV.
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They shot it live, it was gone.
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And "Star Trek" was brought in.
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And Lucy said, "I think
that could rerun for ten years.
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Well, here we are 50 years later.
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"I Love Lucy" is still
on five days a week
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in every city around the country.
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And probably the second most rerun show
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in the history of
television is "Star Trek."
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Let's give her credit,
Lucy loved "Star Trek."
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And we wouldn't have had
"Star Trek" without Lucy,
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so we love Lucy.
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You know, my father
passed away when I was 17.
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He's got such a legacy and
he's touched so many people
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that I've learned a great
deal about him after his passing.
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You know, he was a bomber
pilot in World War II.
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He flew something like,
uh, is it 79 or 89 missions.
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My father had seen the best of humanity
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and he'd seen the worst of humanity.
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But I think that really
helped shape his view
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of "Star Trek" and that better future.
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The pilot episode
of "Star Trek" is filmed in 1965,
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introducing the
world to what would become
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one of the most iconic
characters of all time,
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Mr. Spock.
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And he shoved a
picture of Leonard Nimoy
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across the desk at me.
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At that point, he was
a Martian first officer.
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He said a character with pointed ears,
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and that set me back a bit.
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I had to think about that one.
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Leonard was an
actor. He was a real actor.
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And he walked me
through the various departments.
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He showed me where they
were making the props.
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He showed me where the
sets were being designed,
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the design for the Enterprise, the ship.
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And I realized that he
was selling me on this job.
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And that's the way it would happen.
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The network
orders a new "Star Trek" pilot.
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Spock stays on board,
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but the Enterprise
gets an entirely new crew,
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including a brash, young captain,
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James T. Kirk.
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William Shatner had Kirk down
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from act one, scene one,
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and he played that
through right till the end
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Generations" in 1994.
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You know, Shatner, who's
totally nailing the part,
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but DeForest Kelley, the
person that Gene wanted
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from the beginning for Dr. McCoy.
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Scotty felt like he was
a little more fully formed
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as a character.
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There was an empathy with
Jimmy Doohan's performance.
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We just liked Scotty. You
wanted to hang out with Scotty.
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You wanted to go have a drink
in the bar with Scotty, you know?
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It's a very hallowed and beloved thing
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that you don't want to mess up.
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I feel honored to play Scotty.
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I will always defer to
the greatest Scotty ever,
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which was James Doohan,
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but if I can do half as good
as he did, then I'll be happy.
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George Takei, who plays
Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm.
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An Asian man on a show like this,
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you seldom saw anything like that.
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And here he was, a man
with responsibilities.
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He was the helmsman.
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Everyone, Nichelle, just
beautiful and smart
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and an incredible role model as Uhura.
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I think the first memory of
"Star Trek" really was going,
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"Oh, look..."
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"There's a black lady in the future."
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And this was the first time I knew
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we would be in the future.
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Later on, Walter Koenig as Chekov.
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If the circumstances hadn't
fallen the way they did,
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if things hadn't
happened the way they did,
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then I probably
never been in for the role
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of Chekov on "Star Trek."
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I read one line. He
says, "You got the part."
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And that was the part of a Russian.
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Who had a Russian on the show?
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We were still just reaching
out trying to make contact
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with Russia in a friendly sense.
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To bring these people together
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created the magic that is "Star Trek."
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From day one, we got along...
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Just like that.
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With the
cast and crew assembled,
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the Enterprise is nearly
ready to begin its mission.
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But Roddenberry
knows something is missing.
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G.R. said, "I gotta do
an opening for the show."
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So he said, "You take a shot at it,
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I'll take a shot at it,
we'll see what happens."
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It was, "Space... the final frontier,"
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was yours, wasn't it?
- Yeah.
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"The final frontier."
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"Space...
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"the final frontier.
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So it was some Roddenberry,
it was some Black.
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We came out with...
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"Boldly go where no
man has gone before."
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To boldly go where
no man has gone before.
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NBC premieres "Star Trek"
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on a Thursday night in the fall of 1966.
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Well, the first episode of
"Star Trek," "The Man Trap,"
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had 47% audience share.
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Lucy wrote a memo to
Gene Roddenberry saying,
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"Congratulations, boys, you're a hit."
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Back in the late '60s,
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what "Star Trek" was doing on
television was cutting edge.
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It was ahead of its time.
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This was the first time we
saw a miniskirt on television.
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"Star Trek"
premiered in September of '66,
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the mini made its debut in London
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in the summer of '66 and
had not made it to America.
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He was way ahead of his time.
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It was also a science fiction series
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that took the subject
matter very seriously.
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"Star Trek" is
unlike anything on television
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at the time, but what makes it unique
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also threatens to destroy it.
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Coming up, the end of "Star Trek"
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is just the beginning.
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"Star Trek" premieres in 1966,
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and instantly becomes one of the
most ground-breaking series
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in the history of television.
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Gene Roddenberry's vision
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is a sign of changing times in America.
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A story about a hopeful
future made in a difficult time.
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The times were tough.
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The war in Vietnam, the
racial issues that were happening,
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riots in the streets, riots
at political conventions.
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People were angry and
upset and nervous and concerned.
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And it was this thing that said, "Hey,
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"in the future we have a way
of dealing with these issues.
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"It's gonna be okay.
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"Here's a group of people who
are solving problems together.
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And they're all
different, diverse people."
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"Star Trek" tackles
the most pressing
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social issues of its day.
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We had the one where
Uhura and Kirk kissed.
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That, I think, was more of... I
mean, I think that was great.
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And the people in the
South, there were probably
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a lot of people jumping
out of windows at that.
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The director was nervous.
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The front office at
Paramount was nervous,
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which was just dumb, you
know, then don't do it,
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which is what I said.
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And they went, "You
don't want to do it?"
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I said, "I want to do it.
It's written in the script.
334
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It's a great scene."
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This is the first
interracial kiss on television.
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They were writing some
pretty major stuff in those days.
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I mean, very eloquent
writers. Very knowledgeable.
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They did "Mark of Gideon,"
which got a lot of flack,
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about birth control, overpopulation.
340
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'Cause nobody had
talked about that on TV
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up until that point.
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NBC was disappointed with "Star
Trek" from the get-go,
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but the rating were not bad
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and the fan mail was huge.
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"Star Trek" is doing things
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that a lot of the
affiliates were uncomfortable with,
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so they kept moving it from
one bad slot to another
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until they finally put
it in the death slot
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to get rid of this show.
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That is what killed "Star Trek."
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The original
series is canceled
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after 3 seasons and 79 episodes.
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But it's gained a cult following
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that's become undeniable.
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Within four years, "Trek"
is back on the air.
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This time reaching a new
generation of young fans.
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My first contact with "Star Trek"
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was probably
watching the animated series
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on Saturday morning
TV in the early '70s.
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And, you know, I was
really struck by the, you know,
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the bright colors of the uniforms.
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The fans were very wary.
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In fact, some of the cast was wary too.
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They felt, "Hey, 'Star
Trek' is starting to get momentum.
365
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"We think there could
be more life in this.
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But if we do a
cartoon, it's gonna kill it."
367
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And Gene Roddenberry was
very cagey and very smart.
368
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He says, "No, this will fan the flames.
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This will keep it alive rather
than let it disappear."
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And he was right.
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It sounds funny for saying this,
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but it has never been canceled.
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You know, um, we were just
off longer than we wanted to be.
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So then we have the
'70s, right, '70s hit.
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Everyone went to see that
"Star Wars" situation.
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I think we
can make some money.
377
00:16:36,276 --> 00:16:38,443
So you had a TV script
that was being padded out
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into a motion picture.
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They took themselves
a little too seriously
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and they were trying to be
a little more like, "2001."
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Then they brought in Robert Wise
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because he was known as
a big-time movie director.
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There never really been a movie
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years after a show was canceled.
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"Star Trek" would be the beginning
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of that phenomena, which... now,
you know,
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well, unceasing phenomena.
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When we came back to
do the first really big one
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that we did after being away so long,
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it was amazing.
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The Motion Picture"
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hits theaters in December of 1979.
393
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But the cast has its doubts.
394
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So Robert Wise was
a very good filmmaker.
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He was a multiple
Academy Award-winning director,
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but he did not know "Star Trek."
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We sat down to watch that first movie
398
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and the beginning was great.
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Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat.
Bum-bum-bum-bum.
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And then it suddenly
became a talking heads movie.
401
00:17:38,738 --> 00:17:40,578
Where was the friction?
Where was the conflict?
402
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,106
Where was the passion?
403
00:17:42,208 --> 00:17:43,653
It had very little
to do with "Star Trek."
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You had the spaceship, the Enterprise.
405
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You had the crew.
406
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But the story had very little to do
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with anything "Star Trek-y."
408
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The characters were
not in shape, in place,
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00:17:53,887 --> 00:17:55,431
playing off of each
other and with each other
410
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the way we did best.
411
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Why are they wearing pajamas?
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Why, you know, does it look like
they're in a Holiday Inn?
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So a lot of what "The Wrath of Khan"
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proved to be about aesthetically
415
00:18:09,502 --> 00:18:12,603
and maybe even intellectually as well
416
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was a reaction to what I saw.
417
00:18:15,575 --> 00:18:18,443
And for a movie that
was so poorly received,
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we had done extremely well.
419
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To my great surprise, they
said, "Star Trek II."
420
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"The Wrath of
Khan" becomes an instant classic.
421
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It's villain is a
genetically engineered superhuman,
422
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who first appeared
in the original series
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bent on revenge against Captain Kirk.
424
00:18:34,494 --> 00:18:36,027
"Wrath of Khan" is a classic.
425
00:18:36,129 --> 00:18:39,697
I mean, "Wrath of Khan" just
works on every level.
426
00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:42,800
You know, it just
does. It's pop entertainment.
427
00:18:42,902 --> 00:18:47,605
It's a fan's dream.
It's fun. It's funny.
428
00:18:47,707 --> 00:18:49,474
The visual effects are state of the art
429
00:18:49,576 --> 00:18:51,375
and really hold up even to this day.
430
00:18:51,478 --> 00:18:53,144
Those space battles are fantastic.
431
00:18:53,246 --> 00:18:56,814
Montalban was a charismatic actor.
432
00:18:56,916 --> 00:18:59,317
He really gave us this
wonderful performance.
433
00:18:59,419 --> 00:19:01,586
It was theatrical, imaginative, creative
434
00:19:01,688 --> 00:19:04,455
performance as Khan in "Star Trek II."
435
00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,125
And he looked great.
436
00:19:07,227 --> 00:19:09,827
And that was his
chest that people thought
437
00:19:09,929 --> 00:19:12,096
had been built up with
makeup or something.
438
00:19:12,198 --> 00:19:13,865
That was him, you know?
439
00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:17,201
It was really Ricardo Montalban.
440
00:19:17,303 --> 00:19:20,071
That's his chest. It's his chest.
441
00:19:20,173 --> 00:19:23,574
Gives you an idea of
"Star Trek-ian" scholarship
442
00:19:23,676 --> 00:19:28,212
that that's the most, you
know, frequently asked question.
443
00:19:28,314 --> 00:19:29,447
Behind the scenes,
444
00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:31,749
the cast didn't always get along.
445
00:19:31,851 --> 00:19:35,153
I had immediately had a
good rapport with Nick Meyer,
446
00:19:35,255 --> 00:19:37,388
but as we went
through several rehearsals
447
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:39,090
working with the camera,
448
00:19:39,192 --> 00:19:41,359
Shatner would come over to me
449
00:19:41,461 --> 00:19:43,127
and start trying to redirect me.
450
00:19:43,229 --> 00:19:46,264
- Is the word given, Admiral?
- The word is given.
451
00:19:46,366 --> 00:19:48,699
So I finally said, "Can
I stop for a second?"
452
00:19:48,802 --> 00:19:50,468
Nick said to me, "What's
the matter, Ike?"
453
00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:52,270
I said, "Well, I'm getting direction
454
00:19:52,372 --> 00:19:53,771
"from other people on the set,
455
00:19:53,873 --> 00:19:55,433
"and it's making me very uncomfortable.
456
00:19:55,508 --> 00:19:57,742
"I just want to make sure
I'm doing my job correctly,
457
00:19:57,844 --> 00:19:59,410
So I'm listening to you."
458
00:19:59,512 --> 00:20:01,012
And he said, "That's right.
459
00:20:01,114 --> 00:20:03,181
You're listening to me. We good?"
460
00:20:03,283 --> 00:20:05,550
I said, "We're good.
Thank you very much."
461
00:20:05,652 --> 00:20:08,352
And I just stood back.
462
00:20:08,454 --> 00:20:11,355
No one else ever said
anything to me again after that.
463
00:20:12,859 --> 00:20:15,860
Khan uses mind control
to achieve his ends,
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00:20:15,962 --> 00:20:18,396
delivered in a gruesome way.
465
00:20:18,498 --> 00:20:23,301
They're young. Enter through the ears.
466
00:20:23,403 --> 00:20:26,938
And wrap themselves around
the cerebral cortex.
467
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,372
Yeah, well, that was fun.
468
00:20:28,474 --> 00:20:30,608
You know, being on
the other end of that.
469
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:33,277
What it was, it was a stunt bug.
470
00:20:33,379 --> 00:20:35,012
No, it wasn't a stunt bug.
471
00:20:35,114 --> 00:20:38,182
It was... it was a
little thing that had
472
00:20:38,284 --> 00:20:40,418
a little rubbery plastic thing,
473
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,889
and they had a fine
filament thread attached to it.
474
00:20:44,991 --> 00:20:46,858
It was very hard to see.
475
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,860
When it was going up my face,
476
00:20:48,962 --> 00:20:51,462
there was actually a
guy standing above me,
477
00:20:51,564 --> 00:20:54,131
and they had drilled
a hole in my helmet,
478
00:20:54,234 --> 00:20:57,802
and he was pulling it up
my face on that filament.
479
00:20:57,904 --> 00:21:01,606
And when they got to my ear,
480
00:21:01,708 --> 00:21:05,142
and them I made all those screams,
481
00:21:05,245 --> 00:21:07,945
really unbecoming an officer,
482
00:21:08,047 --> 00:21:10,348
but they... that's
what they wanted.
483
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:19,201
But there is
one scene that has become
484
00:21:19,225 --> 00:21:22,059
the defining moment in
"The Wrath of Khan."
485
00:21:22,161 --> 00:21:25,563
I read that script and
I saw the conflict,
486
00:21:25,665 --> 00:21:27,231
and I saw the passion in it,
487
00:21:27,333 --> 00:21:31,335
and when I saw the scene
where Spock tries to save the ship
488
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and dies in the process, I said,
489
00:21:32,972 --> 00:21:35,439
"This is a good, good film."
490
00:21:35,541 --> 00:21:36,986
I really believed that
this was going to be
491
00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:38,509
the final "Star Trek" movie.
492
00:21:38,611 --> 00:21:42,079
So I thought if "Star
Trek" is coming to an end,
493
00:21:42,181 --> 00:21:44,916
maybe it's fitting that Spock should die
494
00:21:45,018 --> 00:21:46,550
saving the ship and the crew,
495
00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:48,619
and be a hero and go
out in a blaze of glory.
496
00:21:48,721 --> 00:21:51,789
During the making of the
movie, I began to be concerned
497
00:21:51,891 --> 00:21:53,357
that maybe I'd made a mistake.
498
00:21:53,459 --> 00:21:57,428
And on the day we went to
shoot Spock's death scene,
499
00:21:57,530 --> 00:21:59,463
Harve came to me on the set.
500
00:21:59,565 --> 00:22:00,876
He came to me on the set and he said,
501
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,201
"What can you give us
that might be a thread
502
00:22:04,304 --> 00:22:07,438
for the future for
Spock or 'Star Trek'?"
503
00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:08,973
And it took me a moment. I said,
504
00:22:09,075 --> 00:22:11,142
"I can do a
mind-meld on DeForest Kelley
505
00:22:11,244 --> 00:22:12,710
"who's laying there unconscious,
506
00:22:12,812 --> 00:22:16,347
and I can say something ambiguous
like, 'Remember.'"
507
00:22:16,449 --> 00:22:18,115
And that's how that moment came about.
508
00:22:18,217 --> 00:22:20,284
Remember.
509
00:22:20,386 --> 00:22:22,586
And then you have "Star
Trek's" finest hour
510
00:22:22,689 --> 00:22:24,355
between Kirk and Spock.
511
00:22:24,457 --> 00:22:27,925
That death scene through
the radiation chamber...
512
00:22:28,027 --> 00:22:29,493
Cried like a baby.
513
00:22:29,595 --> 00:22:32,496
I was always very
touched by what happened
514
00:22:32,598 --> 00:22:34,432
in that... in that
sequence. Ahem.
515
00:22:34,534 --> 00:22:38,002
I thought it was
beautifully written, the death scene.
516
00:22:38,104 --> 00:22:39,870
And it really worked in the film.
517
00:22:39,973 --> 00:22:42,406
I have people still
today who write me and say,
518
00:22:42,508 --> 00:22:43,948
"Every time I still see that picture
519
00:22:43,977 --> 00:22:46,110
"for the fifth, tenth
time, I still cry when Spock...
520
00:22:46,212 --> 00:22:48,646
At that death scene," you know?
521
00:22:48,748 --> 00:22:50,548
I have been...
522
00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:53,351
and always shall be...
523
00:22:53,453 --> 00:22:55,453
your friend.
524
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,828
Live long...
525
00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:05,930
and prosper.
526
00:23:15,375 --> 00:23:18,109
Two short years after
the success of "Khan,"
527
00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:20,478
"Trek" returns to the big screen,
528
00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:23,514
and the franchise is truly reborn.
529
00:23:23,616 --> 00:23:26,650
"Star Trek III" was the
first movie that Nimoy directed,
530
00:23:26,753 --> 00:23:29,754
and it was also his way to
come back to "Star Trek"
531
00:23:29,856 --> 00:23:31,188
to bring Spock back.
532
00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:35,292
Nicholas Meyer, a very talented
guy, was directing.
533
00:23:35,395 --> 00:23:38,095
I thought, "I-I can do what he does.
534
00:23:38,197 --> 00:23:39,964
I know what he's
doing and I can do that."
535
00:23:40,066 --> 00:23:41,532
So I went in the next morning,
536
00:23:41,634 --> 00:23:43,434
and I put it to them very simply.
537
00:23:43,536 --> 00:23:45,403
I said, "Michael, you have two problems.
538
00:23:45,505 --> 00:23:47,972
"You want me to play
Spock in 'Star Trek III, '
539
00:23:48,074 --> 00:23:49,373
"and you need a director.
540
00:23:49,475 --> 00:23:52,009
I solved both of your
problems with one stroke."
541
00:23:52,111 --> 00:23:53,210
And that's the way it went,
542
00:23:53,312 --> 00:23:55,379
and he said, "Okay, let's make a deal."
543
00:23:55,481 --> 00:23:57,515
And we immediately made
a deal and went to work.
544
00:23:57,617 --> 00:24:01,519
You Klingon bastard.
545
00:24:01,621 --> 00:24:05,156
There are two more prisoners, Admiral.
546
00:24:05,258 --> 00:24:06,891
Do you want them killed too?
547
00:24:06,993 --> 00:24:11,328
It's just such a delicious badass
son of a bitch, you know?
548
00:24:11,431 --> 00:24:15,433
He's just... he's just a
bad guy with no remorse.
549
00:24:17,804 --> 00:24:20,071
I killed Kirk's son
550
00:24:20,173 --> 00:24:22,440
and I blew up the original Enterprise.
551
00:24:22,542 --> 00:24:25,376
Just freaking wiped it out.
552
00:24:27,413 --> 00:24:30,614
And I could do it again.
553
00:24:35,254 --> 00:24:39,523
I was asked to do "III,"
I didn't know how to do it.
554
00:24:39,625 --> 00:24:43,260
So I said I wasn't
interested in doing it.
555
00:24:43,362 --> 00:24:46,063
I was not part of "IV" either.
556
00:24:46,165 --> 00:24:48,032
They had had a script written
557
00:24:48,134 --> 00:24:51,001
tailor-made to star Eddie Murphy,
558
00:24:51,104 --> 00:24:54,405
who was Paramount's other
big star at the time.
559
00:24:54,507 --> 00:24:56,173
And Paramount didn't like the idea
560
00:24:56,275 --> 00:25:00,644
of putting all their
golden eggs in one basket,
561
00:25:00,746 --> 00:25:03,781
Eddie Murphy and the Star Trek people.
562
00:25:03,883 --> 00:25:05,749
So I went to see Harve and Leonard,
563
00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:08,586
and they told me the
story about the whales.
564
00:25:08,688 --> 00:25:11,655
And Harve said, "I'll
write the outer space parts
565
00:25:11,757 --> 00:25:14,925
if you do the on Earth
parts, you know, the bookend.
566
00:25:15,027 --> 00:25:17,862
And I said, "Okay."
567
00:25:17,964 --> 00:25:20,397
"Star Trek V" is hurt by it's budget
568
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,867
more than anything else. It's
not a badly directed film.
569
00:25:22,969 --> 00:25:25,936
In fact, Bill did a nice
job directing for the most part,
570
00:25:26,038 --> 00:25:30,574
but they just didn't have
enough money to recognize the vision,
571
00:25:30,676 --> 00:25:32,187
so it looks very cheap, and as a result,
572
00:25:32,211 --> 00:25:33,511
it feels like a bad movie.
573
00:25:33,613 --> 00:25:35,630
We watched the movie, we were like,
574
00:25:35,632 --> 00:25:36,458
"Yeah, that was great."
575
00:25:36,482 --> 00:25:37,848
And I remember my brother,
576
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:39,394
he was the one who
had not been drinking.
577
00:25:39,418 --> 00:25:40,985
He was looking at, like,
578
00:25:41,087 --> 00:25:42,820
"I don't think it really was great."
579
00:25:42,922 --> 00:25:44,933
We were like, "No, it was
great. Let's watch it again."
580
00:25:44,957 --> 00:25:46,457
And we did, so we watched it again.
581
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,260
That's probably the last
time I saw "Star Trek V."
582
00:25:49,362 --> 00:25:53,597
Then "Star Trek V" came
out and didn't perform well.
583
00:25:53,699 --> 00:25:57,401
And then Leonard came,
and he had this genesis,
584
00:25:57,503 --> 00:26:00,037
you should pardon the
pun, of an idea for "VI,"
585
00:26:00,139 --> 00:26:03,707
which was all about the
wall coming down in outer space.
586
00:26:03,809 --> 00:26:05,849
It was about the Klingons
have been their substitute
587
00:26:05,878 --> 00:26:07,811
for the Russians. I went, "They were?"
588
00:26:07,914 --> 00:26:09,813
And we wrote it.
589
00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:12,883
His idea was that,
you know, time's change.
590
00:26:12,985 --> 00:26:15,719
You know, you can't be,
you know, mad at a group
591
00:26:15,821 --> 00:26:19,056
for 100 years and you don't
know anything about them.
592
00:26:19,158 --> 00:26:20,758
Michael Dorn was my idea.
593
00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:23,594
He could play his own grandfather.
594
00:26:23,696 --> 00:26:25,863
I thought that would be funny.
595
00:26:25,965 --> 00:26:28,666
Coming up, the
Enterprise returns to TV
596
00:26:28,768 --> 00:26:31,101
with a new mission and a new crew.
597
00:26:31,204 --> 00:26:34,138
When I heard that they
were doing a next generation,
598
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,819
I went, "Oh, afraid I
got to do this," you know?
599
00:26:40,941 --> 00:26:44,876
So "Star Trek IV" does gangbusters
at the box office.
600
00:26:44,978 --> 00:26:47,012
They're like, "Hang on,
this is a hot property."
601
00:26:47,114 --> 00:26:49,247
Gene's like, "Guess what, fellas?
602
00:26:49,349 --> 00:26:50,816
I want to do I on TV again."
603
00:26:50,918 --> 00:26:53,151
- And then Paramount's like...
- "Yes, please."
604
00:26:53,253 --> 00:26:54,419
- "I might as well."
- Yeah.
605
00:26:54,521 --> 00:26:55,732
"Well, it's sitting here doing nothing."
606
00:26:55,756 --> 00:26:56,933
- "How soon will you start?"
- So then we have
607
00:26:56,957 --> 00:26:58,637
The Next
Generation" comes out.
608
00:27:03,263 --> 00:27:04,663
In 1987,
609
00:27:04,765 --> 00:27:07,566
21 years after the
original series hits the air,
610
00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:10,202
"Star Trek" returns to television
with the premiere
611
00:27:10,304 --> 00:27:12,437
of "The Next Generation."
612
00:27:12,539 --> 00:27:15,106
Gene Roddenberry called
me and he was talking about
613
00:27:15,209 --> 00:27:16,329
a new version of "Star Trek"
614
00:27:16,376 --> 00:27:19,077
bouncing off the movies, of course.
615
00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:23,415
He came up with the
basics for the older captain,
616
00:27:23,517 --> 00:27:26,751
for the characters that we
see in "Star Trek: Next Gen."
617
00:27:26,854 --> 00:27:29,688
Diehard fans are
skeptical of the reboot.
618
00:27:29,790 --> 00:27:32,624
We got a bald, English
captain with a French name
619
00:27:32,726 --> 00:27:35,694
and you got a Klingon on the bridge?
620
00:27:35,796 --> 00:27:38,697
Really? You got a blind
guy driving the ship?
621
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,799
Gene was there during
the first couple of years
622
00:27:40,901 --> 00:27:45,537
and all the spinoffs carried
on the tradition of "Star Trek."
623
00:27:45,639 --> 00:27:48,673
When that cast was
first assembled and the show
624
00:27:48,775 --> 00:27:50,186
first went into production,
"The Next Generation,"
625
00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:51,570
I invited them here to this house,
626
00:27:51,612 --> 00:27:53,211
the whole bunch of them, all of them.
627
00:27:53,313 --> 00:27:55,193
"Come to my house. Let's
get to know each other.
628
00:27:55,249 --> 00:27:58,350
And good luck, and bon
voyage. I think... I hope it works."
629
00:27:58,452 --> 00:28:01,419
When I first auditioned for "Next Gen,"
630
00:28:01,521 --> 00:28:03,255
I was one of the few people in the world
631
00:28:03,357 --> 00:28:06,725
who was not quite
aware of the phenomenon
632
00:28:06,827 --> 00:28:09,427
that we were about to get involved with.
633
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:12,464
When I heard that they
were doing a next generation,
634
00:28:12,566 --> 00:28:15,333
I went, "Oh, afraid I
gotta do this," you know?
635
00:28:15,435 --> 00:28:17,555
I got a call from my agent
who said, "You know what?
636
00:28:17,604 --> 00:28:19,082
They're casting 'Star
Trek.' Oh, my God."
637
00:28:19,106 --> 00:28:20,506
And she was a huge "Star Trek" fan.
638
00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:24,142
I had no clue it was
going to be a big show.
639
00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:27,545
So LeVar Burton and I go to eat.
640
00:28:27,648 --> 00:28:29,114
I say, "What are you doing?"
641
00:28:29,216 --> 00:28:33,852
He said, "Oh, you'll love
this. I'm doing 'Star Trek.'"
642
00:28:33,954 --> 00:28:36,655
I said, "Well, I want to be on that."
643
00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:38,401
And he was like,
"What?" I was like, "No, no.
644
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,458
You gotta tell them I
want to be on the show."
645
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,962
And I made an
appointment to go see Gene.
646
00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:47,565
And Gene says, "You want
to be on 'Star Trek'?"
647
00:28:47,668 --> 00:28:50,936
I said, "Yes. Yes."
648
00:28:51,038 --> 00:28:55,206
And he asked me would I
please write the pilot script,
649
00:28:55,309 --> 00:28:58,343
"Encounter At Farpoint." And
I said, "Fine," did that.
650
00:28:58,445 --> 00:29:00,879
The question had been whether
Gene Roddenberry would do,
651
00:29:00,981 --> 00:29:03,882
you know, like a retrospective
back to the original "Star Trek"
652
00:29:03,984 --> 00:29:08,586
to lead into this or would
he add to my pilot script.
653
00:29:08,689 --> 00:29:10,689
He added all the
stuff that had to do with Q.
654
00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:13,925
Three days into shooting, uh, you know,
655
00:29:14,027 --> 00:29:16,795
somebody came up behind me and
put his hand on my shoulder
656
00:29:16,897 --> 00:29:20,832
and said, "You have no idea
what you've gotten yourself into."
657
00:29:20,934 --> 00:29:23,501
And it was... it
was Roddenberry.
658
00:29:23,603 --> 00:29:26,671
And I didn't have any
idea. I mean, you know.
659
00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:28,406
Riker's relationship with Picard,
660
00:29:28,508 --> 00:29:31,376
which was filled with respect.
661
00:29:31,478 --> 00:29:33,578
With Data, the curiosity that Data had
662
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,447
about being a human being.
663
00:29:35,549 --> 00:29:40,418
And I worked with Worf and Geordi,
664
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,965
the three of us were sort of, you know,
665
00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,656
we made the... we kept the
together on the ship.
666
00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:49,160
And it was... it all got more natural.
667
00:29:49,262 --> 00:29:50,729
And as it got more natural,
668
00:29:50,831 --> 00:29:53,198
I think it got more
appealing to the audience.
669
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,700
I decided to write a spec script,
670
00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:57,335
so I wrote a script
called "The Bonding."
671
00:29:57,437 --> 00:30:00,405
Michael Piller came
aboard to be the new head writer,
672
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:02,207
and he found my script.
673
00:30:02,309 --> 00:30:04,209
And I get this call one day
674
00:30:04,311 --> 00:30:06,745
that he wants to buy it and produce it,
675
00:30:06,847 --> 00:30:08,646
which literally changed my life.
676
00:30:08,749 --> 00:30:12,250
We used to do 26 episodes
a year, and it was great.
677
00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:13,685
So we'd work for ten months,
678
00:30:13,787 --> 00:30:15,854
and then the first
Monday after the 4th of July,
679
00:30:15,956 --> 00:30:17,155
we'd come back to work.
680
00:30:17,257 --> 00:30:21,359
And that lasted for seven
years and could have lasted,
681
00:30:21,461 --> 00:30:23,695
in all fairness, for ten years probably.
682
00:30:23,797 --> 00:30:27,499
The humans of the 24th
century on "Next Generation"
683
00:30:27,601 --> 00:30:30,335
didn't have the kinds of
problems and squabbles
684
00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:34,472
and petty jealousies that we have today.
685
00:30:34,574 --> 00:30:36,674
Chief O'Brien talks to me.
686
00:30:36,777 --> 00:30:39,344
Keiko talks to you.
687
00:30:39,446 --> 00:30:40,912
Why do they not talk to each other?
688
00:30:41,014 --> 00:30:44,349
That's
a good question, Data.
689
00:30:44,451 --> 00:30:46,818
I wish I had a good answer for you.
690
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,820
Perhaps when they're ready, they will.
691
00:30:48,922 --> 00:30:53,758
Hmm. Many aspects of this
situation are puzzling to me.
692
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:58,563
Roddenberry somehow
magically made us... made me
693
00:30:58,665 --> 00:31:03,468
believe in his vision of
the 24th century, right?
694
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:06,738
He said to me, "In the 24th century,
695
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,708
there will be no hunger, and
there will be no greed.
696
00:31:10,811 --> 00:31:14,846
And all of the
children will know how to read.
697
00:31:14,948 --> 00:31:16,014
Gene Roddenberry.
698
00:31:16,116 --> 00:31:18,883
He was given the right to do "Star Trek"
699
00:31:18,985 --> 00:31:20,318
the way he wanted to do it.
700
00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:23,088
Unfortunately his
health was failing by the time
701
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:25,924
they even got "Star
Trek: The Next Generation" on.
702
00:31:26,026 --> 00:31:27,992
So he didn't really get the chance to do
703
00:31:28,095 --> 00:31:30,161
all of the things he wanted to do.
704
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:33,198
When Gene
Roddenberry dies in 1991,
705
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:36,534
"The Next Generation" is
more popular than ever.
706
00:31:36,636 --> 00:31:40,371
Carrying on his legacy, week after week,
707
00:31:40,474 --> 00:31:42,807
for the next three years.
708
00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:45,043
There were those of
us, myself included,
709
00:31:45,145 --> 00:31:47,245
who thought it could
go on for ten years.
710
00:31:47,347 --> 00:31:48,947
That we weren't done yet.
711
00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:52,684
Knowing that there was
another series waiting in the wings
712
00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:55,053
where we could continue to tell stories
713
00:31:55,155 --> 00:31:57,689
that we hadn't told yet made that okay.
714
00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:01,159
And it seemed smart to
take "Next Gen" off
715
00:32:01,261 --> 00:32:02,827
at the peak of its popularity.
716
00:32:02,929 --> 00:32:04,796
'Cause it was a very popular show.
717
00:32:04,898 --> 00:32:07,265
There is a part of me that wished,
718
00:32:07,367 --> 00:32:10,535
that wishes "Next Gen" had continued.
719
00:32:15,675 --> 00:32:19,310
I was asked to direct the first
"Next Generation" movie.
720
00:32:19,412 --> 00:32:20,778
I just... I wasn't
attracted to it.
721
00:32:20,881 --> 00:32:22,680
I read it,
722
00:32:22,782 --> 00:32:24,349
and it didn't feel like something
723
00:32:24,451 --> 00:32:26,584
that I was gonna have a good time doing.
724
00:32:26,686 --> 00:32:29,554
Ron Moore and I were asked to write
725
00:32:29,656 --> 00:32:31,923
the first "Next Generation" movie.
726
00:32:32,025 --> 00:32:34,159
We were very excited.
727
00:32:34,261 --> 00:32:36,494
It was the first movie either
of us had written.
728
00:32:36,596 --> 00:32:39,631
We loved these
characters. We knew these characters.
729
00:32:39,733 --> 00:32:42,800
And we set about
conceiving the first "Next Gen" movie.
730
00:32:42,903 --> 00:32:44,569
Kind of hand-off from
the original series,
731
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:45,770
Kirk to Picard.
732
00:32:45,872 --> 00:32:47,572
There was sort of a list of things
733
00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:49,374
that the movie had to have,
734
00:32:49,476 --> 00:32:50,653
so when Bran and I stepped in,
735
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:52,577
here's the list of things it has to be.
736
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,812
"It's gonna be the next
first "Next Gen" movie.
737
00:32:54,915 --> 00:32:56,481
"It can have the original cast in it.
738
00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:58,616
"We want a transition
film, but the original cast
739
00:32:58,718 --> 00:33:00,163
"can only be in the first ten minutes
740
00:33:00,187 --> 00:33:02,086
"or 15 minutes of the movie tops.
741
00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:03,488
"It has to be a Picard story.
742
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:05,623
"There has to be a Data
humorous runner in it.
743
00:33:05,725 --> 00:33:08,860
"We want to have a big
villain, sort of like Khan.
744
00:33:08,962 --> 00:33:10,962
"We also want to
have the Klingons in it.
745
00:33:11,064 --> 00:33:13,665
And it should probably
have some time travel involved."
746
00:33:13,767 --> 00:33:16,401
And you're just going, "Okay.
747
00:33:16,503 --> 00:33:19,070
By the time "Generations," the
first movie, is coming out,
748
00:33:19,172 --> 00:33:21,739
you have Kirk and Picard on
the cover of "Time" magazine.
749
00:33:21,841 --> 00:33:24,642
That's the apex, it's
the zenith of the show.
750
00:33:24,744 --> 00:33:26,578
"Generations" was still in the theaters
751
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,813
when the said, "Hey,
let's do another one.
752
00:33:28,915 --> 00:33:29,926
And we want you guys
to do the second one."
753
00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:31,249
And we said, "Okay."
754
00:33:31,351 --> 00:33:34,385
"First Contact" was the
film that they should have made
755
00:33:34,487 --> 00:33:36,221
every time after that.
756
00:33:36,323 --> 00:33:38,022
Then the second movie, "First Contact,"
757
00:33:38,124 --> 00:33:39,991
is, you know, a roller coaster ride
758
00:33:40,093 --> 00:33:43,027
and wonderful and really sort
of redeems that franchise.
759
00:33:43,129 --> 00:33:46,264
That movie was a huge
success. It made a lot of money.
760
00:33:46,366 --> 00:33:47,665
And everybody liked it.
761
00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:49,934
And Alfre Woodard was great in it.
762
00:33:50,036 --> 00:33:51,302
And Cromwell was great in it.
763
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:56,674
I'm not a drinker, so
I got a fifth of Jamesons.
764
00:33:56,776 --> 00:34:00,945
And I took one before when we rehearsed.
765
00:34:01,047 --> 00:34:04,849
And then between every shot,
I would go back up to my tr...
766
00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:11,356
So by the time I did the
thing we're at the bar,
767
00:34:11,458 --> 00:34:16,894
when I take the drink...
768
00:34:16,997 --> 00:34:19,797
Ahh!
769
00:34:19,899 --> 00:34:22,300
Oh!
770
00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:25,903
First Contact"
771
00:34:26,006 --> 00:34:29,374
debuts in 1996 with
Commander Riker himself,
772
00:34:29,476 --> 00:34:32,210
Jonathan Frakes in the director's chair.
773
00:34:32,312 --> 00:34:33,723
It was great to work
with Jonathan, you know?
774
00:34:33,747 --> 00:34:35,791
We'd worked with him
before as a director on the show,
775
00:34:35,815 --> 00:34:38,483
so we knew his working
methods, he knew us, you know.
776
00:34:38,585 --> 00:34:40,251
There was a great shorthand, obviously,
777
00:34:40,353 --> 00:34:42,220
between him and the
entire cast and the crew.
778
00:34:42,322 --> 00:34:45,857
This was our first
movie that was just "Next Gen."
779
00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:48,926
So that... that was a
life-changer, you know.
780
00:34:49,029 --> 00:34:50,895
I think "Star Trek's" a TV show.
781
00:34:50,997 --> 00:34:54,165
The movies are fun, but, you know,
782
00:34:54,267 --> 00:34:55,700
it's... it's a TV show.
783
00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:59,070
It needs to tell the stories each week.
784
00:34:59,172 --> 00:35:02,140
"First Contact" is fanta... it's like...
785
00:35:02,242 --> 00:35:04,642
It's the best of the
"Next Generation" movies.
786
00:35:04,744 --> 00:35:06,411
I'm sorry, everyone, that's how I feel.
787
00:35:06,513 --> 00:35:08,613
- Probably.
- I see some grunting happening
788
00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:10,548
over on the corners here.
789
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:12,884
Bobak, you grunted particularly hard.
790
00:35:12,986 --> 00:35:14,786
I'm just a big "Insurrection"
fan because...
791
00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,020
What? What?
792
00:35:16,122 --> 00:35:17,602
It's the most like a "TNG" episode.
793
00:35:17,691 --> 00:35:20,224
The movies really,
like, diverge from my thought
794
00:35:20,327 --> 00:35:21,492
what made the show great.
795
00:35:21,594 --> 00:35:24,962
And I like that it was a
little bit more of that
796
00:35:25,065 --> 00:35:27,899
"TNG" -style episode than I
felt the rest of the movies were.
797
00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:29,801
So we go from "Insurrection."
798
00:35:29,903 --> 00:35:32,570
"Voyager's" still running at this point.
799
00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:36,107
And then we end up
with, I hate to say it,
800
00:35:36,209 --> 00:35:37,942
Nemesis," so Janeway...
801
00:35:38,044 --> 00:35:39,522
They asked me to be in
that. Did you know that?
802
00:35:39,546 --> 00:35:41,146
Really? What were
you gonna do in that?
803
00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:42,621
Were you gonna be on the Enterprise?
804
00:35:42,649 --> 00:35:43,793
- Evidently.
- Why would you say no?
805
00:35:43,817 --> 00:35:45,049
What is wrong with you?
806
00:35:45,151 --> 00:35:46,595
'Cause I had just
gotten off of "Voyager."
807
00:35:46,619 --> 00:35:48,397
- Oh, my God, Jeri.
- My biggest fear is in signing
808
00:35:48,421 --> 00:35:51,255
on to "Star Trek" to begin
with, not having been a fan,
809
00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:52,835
and not really knowing
much about it other than that
810
00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:54,459
- the actors get pigeonholed.
- Yeah.
811
00:35:54,561 --> 00:35:55,805
And it was sort of known for that.
812
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:58,296
- Yeah.
- That was one of my big fears
813
00:35:58,398 --> 00:36:01,566
in accepting the role is ever
breaking out of that character.
814
00:36:01,668 --> 00:36:03,501
- I don't know if that's even...
- No, please.
815
00:36:03,603 --> 00:36:05,214
- Known by anybody, but
apparently they were
816
00:36:05,238 --> 00:36:06,270
replacing a character.
817
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:08,306
They were gonna yank and character out
818
00:36:08,408 --> 00:36:10,174
and stick Seven of Nine in there.
819
00:36:10,276 --> 00:36:11,687
It's a popular
character, get her in the movie.
820
00:36:11,711 --> 00:36:13,723
And that's what it felt
like. And it didn't feel like
821
00:36:13,747 --> 00:36:14,890
it would be anything other
than that story-wise.
822
00:36:14,914 --> 00:36:16,814
Yeah.
823
00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:20,620
Coming up, "Star
Trek" takes a dark turn.
824
00:36:24,097 --> 00:36:26,297
"Deep Space Nine" is
the most meaningful to me.
825
00:36:26,399 --> 00:36:29,033
- Mm-hmm.
- Because it gets into
826
00:36:29,135 --> 00:36:30,267
the darker side.
827
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,081
I mean, it's after Gene
Roddenberry's death.
828
00:36:32,105 --> 00:36:35,139
They're kinda free to kind
of get away from this, you know,
829
00:36:35,241 --> 00:36:37,308
- everything ends happily.
- Yeah.
830
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:39,722
You know, you look at war in
a variety of different ways.
831
00:36:39,746 --> 00:36:42,013
I mean, there's a great episode on PTSD,
832
00:36:42,115 --> 00:36:44,949
where Nog has to deal with
the loss of his leg.
833
00:36:45,051 --> 00:36:46,362
- Nobody does that kind of stuff.
- Right.
834
00:36:46,386 --> 00:36:47,786
On science fiction in particular.
835
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:51,088
And so I think that
show in terms of its depth,
836
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,324
in terms of the issues it would address,
837
00:36:53,426 --> 00:36:55,092
I thought made it the best.
838
00:36:55,194 --> 00:36:57,272
And, you know, arguably
there are some of the best episodes
839
00:36:57,296 --> 00:36:59,797
of all 700-plus hours.
840
00:37:04,537 --> 00:37:06,181
"The Next Generation"
had become such a success
841
00:37:06,205 --> 00:37:07,838
in first-run syndication for the studio
842
00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:10,441
that they wanted more, so
you had "Deep Space Nine,"
843
00:37:10,543 --> 00:37:13,611
which was about a space station
844
00:37:13,713 --> 00:37:15,079
and it was a little darker.
845
00:37:15,181 --> 00:37:16,847
"Next Gen" was my
undergraduate studies
846
00:37:16,949 --> 00:37:18,649
in TV writing and production,
847
00:37:18,751 --> 00:37:20,129
and "Deep Space Nine" was graduate.
848
00:37:20,153 --> 00:37:23,888
"DS9" had such a different feel
849
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:25,289
while still being "Star Trek."
850
00:37:25,391 --> 00:37:26,891
It took things even deeper.
851
00:37:26,993 --> 00:37:29,360
We were attracted to
doing darker stories.
852
00:37:29,462 --> 00:37:31,195
We were attracted to doing stories
853
00:37:31,297 --> 00:37:32,737
that had much more conflict in them,
854
00:37:32,765 --> 00:37:34,432
that were more morally ambiguous,
855
00:37:34,534 --> 00:37:37,234
that were tackling difficult
subject matter
856
00:37:37,336 --> 00:37:38,569
with our characters.
857
00:37:38,671 --> 00:37:41,439
And we all felt that
we were pushing "Trek,"
858
00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:43,301
but none of us felt
like we were breaking it.
859
00:37:43,342 --> 00:37:47,678
That was the first time that you see
860
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:54,685
what television is now, which
is dark and foreboding.
861
00:37:54,787 --> 00:37:57,588
And I really wanted to do the show.
862
00:37:57,690 --> 00:37:59,724
Really wanted to do the show.
863
00:37:59,826 --> 00:38:01,425
I-I was like...
864
00:38:01,527 --> 00:38:04,995
I just... not only as an actor who
would get a steady paycheck,
865
00:38:05,098 --> 00:38:07,598
but more importantly,
as a fan of the show
866
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:11,035
I wanted to be part of the
ethos that was "Star Trek."
867
00:38:11,137 --> 00:38:14,071
It's really nice to see that
people could stick with the show
868
00:38:14,173 --> 00:38:17,775
when it became darker and
more demanding of its audience.
869
00:38:17,877 --> 00:38:23,514
But no victory can make this
moment any easier for me.
870
00:38:23,616 --> 00:38:30,621
And I promise I will not
rest until I stand with you again.
871
00:38:30,723 --> 00:38:32,623
Somebody had the brilliant idea
872
00:38:32,725 --> 00:38:36,927
of bringing Worf onto our show.
873
00:38:37,029 --> 00:38:40,364
Unfortunately, I will be
away from the station at that time.
874
00:38:40,466 --> 00:38:42,199
What they hoped
would happen did happen.
875
00:38:42,301 --> 00:38:45,436
Thousands, if not millions, of people
876
00:38:45,538 --> 00:38:48,472
watched because Worf was on the show.
877
00:38:48,574 --> 00:38:51,976
And so our fan base got resurrected
878
00:38:52,078 --> 00:38:53,410
because of Michael Dorn.
879
00:38:53,513 --> 00:38:55,980
And I had my concerns about that
880
00:38:56,082 --> 00:38:58,482
'cause I didn't want
Worf to be standing around,
881
00:38:58,584 --> 00:39:00,818
just to be a, you
know, some guy that just...
882
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,086
They throw in there.
883
00:39:02,188 --> 00:39:04,388
I really want him to
open up as a character.
884
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:08,025
Worf was, like, really the
only choice from that cast
885
00:39:08,127 --> 00:39:09,967
that made any sense and
that would actually add
886
00:39:10,029 --> 00:39:11,295
something to the puzzle.
887
00:39:11,397 --> 00:39:14,098
Here's the war-like
character coming into a situation
888
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,666
that's a war-torn environment.
889
00:39:15,768 --> 00:39:18,135
So that made a certain amount of sense.
890
00:39:18,237 --> 00:39:21,405
What is that smell?
891
00:39:21,507 --> 00:39:26,577
Is there a pile of
rotting forshak in here.
892
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,979
I loved my time on "Next Generation,"
893
00:39:29,081 --> 00:39:32,416
but the work I did on "Deep
Space" was much better.
894
00:39:32,518 --> 00:39:35,186
Over my tenure on "Deep Space,"
895
00:39:35,288 --> 00:39:36,520
that was the mantra was,
896
00:39:36,622 --> 00:39:38,823
"How far can we push this franchise?
897
00:39:38,925 --> 00:39:40,424
Or what are the places we can go
898
00:39:40,526 --> 00:39:41,937
that none of the other shows can go?
899
00:39:41,961 --> 00:39:43,527
What can't they do in 'Star Trek, '
900
00:39:43,629 --> 00:39:45,095
and is there a way we can do it?"
901
00:39:45,198 --> 00:39:47,598
Every "Star Trek" show broke
grounds in some way, you know?
902
00:39:47,633 --> 00:39:50,901
"Deep Space Nine," Sisko,
he was a black captain.
903
00:39:51,003 --> 00:39:53,604
And then you have
Janeway in "Voyager," a woman.
904
00:39:53,706 --> 00:39:56,240
I mean, they were always thinking ahead.
905
00:40:01,214 --> 00:40:03,781
When
"Voyager" launches in 1995,
906
00:40:03,883 --> 00:40:05,749
"Star Trek" has been
pushing the envelope
907
00:40:05,852 --> 00:40:07,651
for nearly 30 years.
908
00:40:07,753 --> 00:40:10,554
The new series pushes further.
909
00:40:10,656 --> 00:40:12,923
A lot of women of a certain age
910
00:40:13,025 --> 00:40:15,893
who that show meant a
lot to because of Kate.
911
00:40:15,995 --> 00:40:17,494
You know, they look at it, you know,
912
00:40:17,597 --> 00:40:19,296
the same way that guys of my generation
913
00:40:19,398 --> 00:40:20,998
look at Kirk as a role model,
914
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,234
they look at Kate's Janeway and say,
915
00:40:23,336 --> 00:40:25,836
"You know, she proved that, you know,
916
00:40:25,938 --> 00:40:29,273
"I could be thoughtful and
smart and commanding,
917
00:40:29,375 --> 00:40:31,909
and not necessarily use my sexuality
to get what I want."
918
00:40:32,011 --> 00:40:35,346
Then you leave me no choice.
919
00:40:35,448 --> 00:40:38,115
You are hereby relieved of
duty until further notice.
920
00:40:38,217 --> 00:40:40,150
As a writer, writing Captain Janeway,
921
00:40:40,253 --> 00:40:41,986
I didn't think of her as a woman.
922
00:40:42,088 --> 00:40:43,454
I thought of her as the captain.
923
00:40:43,556 --> 00:40:46,724
And I think it's great that
she ended up being a role model
924
00:40:46,826 --> 00:40:49,260
to a lot of people, men or women.
925
00:40:49,362 --> 00:40:51,528
I was very happy and proud
926
00:40:51,631 --> 00:40:55,466
of what the producers had
done with this cast in "Voyager."
927
00:40:55,568 --> 00:40:57,768
First of all, starting
off with a female captain
928
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:59,270
'cause we had not seen that before.
929
00:40:59,338 --> 00:41:02,339
My friend, Rene, got
cast in "Deep Space."
930
00:41:02,441 --> 00:41:05,743
And he told me how cool
it was, and I envied him.
931
00:41:05,845 --> 00:41:07,685
I said, "What a great
show to be on," you know.
932
00:41:07,713 --> 00:41:09,313
And then a couple of years later,
933
00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,015
boom, I was in "Voyager."
934
00:41:11,117 --> 00:41:12,917
And I-I had no idea
935
00:41:13,019 --> 00:41:15,019
what the character
was makeup-wise, you know?
936
00:41:15,121 --> 00:41:17,922
But I flew out and
I-I went into the room,
937
00:41:18,024 --> 00:41:20,057
and there was UPN, and
there was Paramount,
938
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,494
and there were the
creators of "Star Trek."
939
00:41:23,596 --> 00:41:25,763
And, um, I read
940
00:41:25,865 --> 00:41:28,010
and I guess I was exactly
what what they were looking for.
941
00:41:28,034 --> 00:41:30,801
Voyager" is probably
my first acting job.
942
00:41:30,903 --> 00:41:32,836
And I was so
excited, and I was so nervous.
943
00:41:32,939 --> 00:41:36,874
It was a two-part special and
I was playing a scientist.
944
00:41:36,976 --> 00:41:38,309
What do you do here?
945
00:41:38,411 --> 00:41:41,211
- We watch the skies.
- For what?
946
00:41:41,314 --> 00:41:43,847
Signs of extraterrestrial life.
947
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:45,582
Nice meeting you.
948
00:41:45,685 --> 00:41:48,085
I remembered going to my acting coach,
949
00:41:48,187 --> 00:41:50,688
and he read through the script.
950
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:53,090
And I was looking to him for guidance.
951
00:41:53,192 --> 00:41:55,793
And he just went, uh,
952
00:41:55,895 --> 00:41:58,462
"You know, sometimes when
you're running from lasers,
953
00:41:58,564 --> 00:42:02,733
you just... you just gotta
pretend you're running from lasers."
954
00:42:02,835 --> 00:42:06,303
Get down!
955
00:42:06,405 --> 00:42:08,105
I was like, "Oh.' Ahem.
956
00:42:08,207 --> 00:42:09,573
It gave me so much freedom.
957
00:42:09,675 --> 00:42:12,209
I was like, "Oh, yeah, I
just... I pretend," you know?
958
00:42:12,311 --> 00:42:16,580
You don't really draw from
your childhood or something.
959
00:42:16,682 --> 00:42:18,949
You just pretend you're
running from lasers.
960
00:42:21,153 --> 00:42:22,853
What the hell?
961
00:42:22,955 --> 00:42:25,022
What I wanted to do
was bring the Borg in.
962
00:42:25,124 --> 00:42:26,924
It was my feeling that the Borg
963
00:42:27,026 --> 00:42:29,526
could always be "Voyager's" Klingons.
964
00:42:29,628 --> 00:42:30,872
They needed a recurring villain.
965
00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:32,663
And for better or worse,
966
00:42:32,765 --> 00:42:34,331
that's what we ended up doing.
967
00:42:34,433 --> 00:42:36,600
And it's one of the
things that defined "Voyager"
968
00:42:36,702 --> 00:42:39,303
was the introduction of
the Seven of Nine character.
969
00:42:39,405 --> 00:42:44,041
You had a very sexy
woman in a very sexy outfit.
970
00:42:44,143 --> 00:42:45,387
You know, it was supposed to lure in
971
00:42:45,411 --> 00:42:46,710
a certain male demographic.
972
00:42:46,812 --> 00:42:49,713
But, in reality, she
was the Spock character.
973
00:42:49,815 --> 00:42:51,749
She was the Data character.
974
00:42:51,851 --> 00:42:52,950
Report.
975
00:42:53,052 --> 00:42:55,386
I've applied 10,053 algorithms
976
00:42:55,488 --> 00:42:58,622
to the energy signatures
produced by chaotic space.
977
00:42:58,724 --> 00:43:01,892
The Roddenberry influence
was always respected.
978
00:43:01,994 --> 00:43:04,161
We didn't want to do something
979
00:43:04,263 --> 00:43:08,098
totally, outrageously anti-Roddenberry.
980
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,312
It's almost like you
have to keep pinching yourself.
981
00:43:10,336 --> 00:43:13,037
You show up on these sets and
you have to remind yourself,
982
00:43:13,139 --> 00:43:15,773
"I'm in the middle of
something that when we do it right,
983
00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:17,875
is really important, can
really affect people."
984
00:43:17,977 --> 00:43:20,044
Now it's hard to do
that on every single episode.
985
00:43:20,146 --> 00:43:22,279
I don't know who has
ever succeeded in that,
986
00:43:22,381 --> 00:43:25,049
but I think that we
all could feel as a cast
987
00:43:25,151 --> 00:43:28,285
when we were telling a good
story and doing it well.
988
00:43:33,826 --> 00:43:35,370
There was a lot of
discussion what "Enterprise"
989
00:43:35,394 --> 00:43:37,861
would look like and feel like.
990
00:43:37,963 --> 00:43:39,296
Enterprise"
991
00:43:39,398 --> 00:43:41,598
is a prequel to the entire franchise.
992
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,333
Set in the 22nd century,
993
00:43:43,436 --> 00:43:46,804
as Starfleet's first
explorers venture into space.
994
00:43:46,906 --> 00:43:48,839
You know, we were trying to, I think,
995
00:43:48,941 --> 00:43:50,819
deconstruct "Star Trek"
and figure out, you know,
996
00:43:50,843 --> 00:43:52,042
how it all came together.
997
00:43:52,144 --> 00:43:53,811
You know, we'd certainly seen the future
998
00:43:53,913 --> 00:43:56,280
of where it was all going.
999
00:43:56,382 --> 00:43:59,283
And it was a real
challenge to kind of back that up
1000
00:43:59,385 --> 00:44:02,386
and imagine, you
know, what was this...
1001
00:44:02,488 --> 00:44:05,589
What was this like 150
years before Captain Kirk.
1002
00:44:05,691 --> 00:44:07,791
I called my mother and said,
1003
00:44:07,893 --> 00:44:10,060
"Ma, I'm not gonna
have to stress about work.
1004
00:44:10,162 --> 00:44:11,228
I got a job."
1005
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:14,698
I had to audition
with a slight alien accent
1006
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,634
for the character of
Dr. Phlox, which puzzled me.
1007
00:44:17,736 --> 00:44:19,403
I didn't really know what to do, so I...
1008
00:44:19,505 --> 00:44:21,265
I sort of tried out a
variety of funny voices
1009
00:44:21,307 --> 00:44:22,973
with my wife before
I settled on the voice
1010
00:44:23,075 --> 00:44:24,808
I eventually arrived at.
1011
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:26,477
Sounds sort of vaguely East Indian.
1012
00:44:26,579 --> 00:44:30,380
I don't believe you'll
be needing my services.
1013
00:44:30,483 --> 00:44:32,127
You know, I thought
that we were gonna make it
1014
00:44:32,151 --> 00:44:33,650
and that we were gonna do seven years
1015
00:44:33,752 --> 00:44:35,219
like all the rest of these shows.
1016
00:44:35,321 --> 00:44:38,388
I was just trying to tell good stories
1017
00:44:38,491 --> 00:44:42,526
and do Gene's vision proud.
1018
00:44:42,628 --> 00:44:45,462
Tell the best "Star Trek" stories
that I could, you know?
1019
00:44:45,564 --> 00:44:47,831
And now that I'm no
longer involved with the show,
1020
00:44:47,933 --> 00:44:52,402
I'm the fan eagerly
awaiting the next television show.
1021
00:44:52,505 --> 00:44:55,439
Coming up, "Trek"
is on the cutting edge.
1022
00:44:55,541 --> 00:44:57,641
I had just been offered
1023
00:44:57,743 --> 00:45:00,644
a major role in a Broadway musical.
1024
00:45:00,746 --> 00:45:02,779
And later, a
look at "Star Trek's"
1025
00:45:02,882 --> 00:45:04,381
most beloved villain.
1026
00:45:04,483 --> 00:45:09,424
I ended up doing six
episodes of "Next Generation."
1027
00:45:10,782 --> 00:45:14,708
So in the 60', I mean, it a
period of racial discord.
1028
00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:17,510
We got the Vietnam
War, youth rebellions,
1029
00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:19,946
emerging feminism,
and, you know, TV...
1030
00:45:20,048 --> 00:45:22,482
- Dirty hippies.
- Dirty hi... exactly.
1031
00:45:22,584 --> 00:45:24,384
There's no series or television show
1032
00:45:24,486 --> 00:45:25,660
really addressing these things.
1033
00:45:25,661 --> 00:45:27,505
You know, Roddenberry's
able to do is kind of explore
1034
00:45:27,528 --> 00:45:31,163
these things, but
again, in a way which is...
1035
00:45:31,265 --> 00:45:33,031
Not only avoids the censors,
1036
00:45:33,133 --> 00:45:34,600
which he had a lot of problems with,
1037
00:45:34,702 --> 00:45:37,302
but also allows the audience
1038
00:45:37,404 --> 00:45:39,872
to kind of look at it from
a different perspective.
1039
00:45:39,974 --> 00:45:42,307
And if they were
looking at race in America
1040
00:45:42,409 --> 00:45:44,610
on a documentary, that's
just not gonna have
1041
00:45:44,712 --> 00:45:46,111
the kind of impact, whereas in
1042
00:45:46,213 --> 00:45:47,624
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield,"
1043
00:45:47,648 --> 00:45:49,314
we have the black and white faces.
1044
00:45:49,416 --> 00:45:51,228
You know, and you can
imagine what the American public
1045
00:45:51,252 --> 00:45:53,118
was looking at this going, "You know,
1046
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,664
yeah, this is right. This
is kinda strange."
1047
00:45:54,688 --> 00:45:57,167
And again, this is an episode that
was done right after Mart...
1048
00:45:57,191 --> 00:45:58,168
It was produced right after
1049
00:45:58,192 --> 00:45:59,503
Martin Luther King's assassination.
1050
00:45:59,527 --> 00:46:01,407
That's the beauty of sci-fi.
You can sort of
1051
00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:04,229
have these allegories without
1052
00:46:04,331 --> 00:46:06,098
people knowing they're
being taught a lesson.
1053
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,399
- Yeah.
- Big two on the nose.
1054
00:46:07,501 --> 00:46:08,612
Yeah, they just
think they're watching
1055
00:46:08,636 --> 00:46:11,303
a fun space adventure with a Canadian.
1056
00:46:15,042 --> 00:46:18,443
"Star Trek" very much
at a time when, you know,
1057
00:46:18,546 --> 00:46:21,280
race, in particular, in the
'60s was such a big thing.
1058
00:46:21,382 --> 00:46:23,293
It broke down those
barriers in terms of talking...
1059
00:46:23,317 --> 00:46:27,119
Talking about color, multi-culturalism,
other people.
1060
00:46:27,221 --> 00:46:31,657
And instead of making
walls, and instead of trying to
1061
00:46:31,759 --> 00:46:33,358
villainize others,
1062
00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:35,127
it was all about embracing the other.
1063
00:46:35,229 --> 00:46:39,498
Because, you know, when you
look at the "Star Trek" world,
1064
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,201
you know, Gene really
wanted to create a world
1065
00:46:43,304 --> 00:46:46,271
where everybody could be, you know?
1066
00:46:46,373 --> 00:46:48,707
And if we were
having some kind of trouble,
1067
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:50,008
we could talk it out.
1068
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:53,478
We had one of the
most wonderful icons
1069
00:46:53,581 --> 00:46:56,748
in Nichelle Nichols, who
was not only African American,
1070
00:46:56,850 --> 00:46:58,884
she was a woman.
1071
00:46:58,986 --> 00:47:01,486
And, you know, she was
there on the bridge all the time.
1072
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:02,955
She was important.
1073
00:47:03,057 --> 00:47:04,734
Sometimes she would just
say, "Channels open, sir,"
1074
00:47:04,758 --> 00:47:07,192
but the thing was that she was there.
1075
00:47:07,294 --> 00:47:11,396
She speaks perfect English.
1076
00:47:11,498 --> 00:47:14,866
She's the communications officer
1077
00:47:14,969 --> 00:47:17,169
and she takes that very seriously.
1078
00:47:17,271 --> 00:47:20,606
She is not only gorgeous,
1079
00:47:20,708 --> 00:47:23,642
but she is the communications officer.
1080
00:47:23,744 --> 00:47:25,410
She's the one you have to talk to
1081
00:47:25,512 --> 00:47:27,779
if you want to talk to
anybody out in space.
1082
00:47:27,881 --> 00:47:30,048
And she's fly, okay?
1083
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:33,552
And they all want to
bone her, and you know it.
1084
00:47:33,654 --> 00:47:35,854
And there were some
stations in the South that said,
1085
00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:37,389
"Oh, you're having," what was then,
1086
00:47:37,491 --> 00:47:40,192
"a black woman on the bridge.
1087
00:47:40,294 --> 00:47:41,593
We're not gonna show your show."
1088
00:47:41,695 --> 00:47:43,962
And Roddenberry said, "
you," you know.
1089
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,399
And, you know, "Too bad. You lose."
1090
00:47:47,501 --> 00:47:50,235
A woman of color in the late '60s
1091
00:47:50,337 --> 00:47:52,838
while the civil rights
riots were going on.
1092
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:55,907
Her presence there was a big deal.
1093
00:47:56,010 --> 00:47:58,710
I had just been offered
1094
00:47:58,812 --> 00:48:01,880
a major role in a Broadway musical.
1095
00:48:01,982 --> 00:48:06,218
And I met Dr. Martin Luther King.
1096
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,589
And I was so excited to tell him.
1097
00:48:10,691 --> 00:48:12,691
And he said, "You can't do that."
1098
00:48:12,793 --> 00:48:15,661
He said, "Don't you
understand what you're doing?
1099
00:48:15,763 --> 00:48:19,164
"This is television and there's
nobody like you on TV.
1100
00:48:19,266 --> 00:48:23,468
You can't... you
can't abdicate."
1101
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:24,736
And I couldn't.
1102
00:48:24,838 --> 00:48:26,505
The main thing that has struck me
1103
00:48:26,607 --> 00:48:32,177
about Gene's series at the
time was how he mirrored
1104
00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:34,346
the things that were
going on in our society
1105
00:48:34,448 --> 00:48:37,215
by using the aliens and the humans
1106
00:48:37,317 --> 00:48:38,817
to carry out those storylines.
1107
00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:40,519
He was very clever in doing that.
1108
00:48:40,621 --> 00:48:41,720
I liked the idea.
1109
00:48:41,822 --> 00:48:44,856
I'm not sure it was always executed
1110
00:48:44,958 --> 00:48:46,591
as well as it might have.
1111
00:48:46,694 --> 00:48:48,026
I think we used the bludgeon
1112
00:48:48,128 --> 00:48:50,796
when we did the story of
the half black and half white.
1113
00:48:50,898 --> 00:48:53,165
You know, but we did it you know?
1114
00:48:53,267 --> 00:48:55,934
And good for us for taking on the issue.
1115
00:48:56,036 --> 00:48:58,036
I am black on the right side.
1116
00:49:02,576 --> 00:49:05,610
I fail to see the significant difference.
1117
00:49:05,713 --> 00:49:07,245
Lokai is white on the right...
1118
00:49:07,347 --> 00:49:10,515
All of his people are
white on the right side.
1119
00:49:10,617 --> 00:49:13,618
Frank Gorshin was
a wonderful performer,
1120
00:49:13,721 --> 00:49:16,588
and he and Lou
Antonio were the two actors
1121
00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:18,824
who played these opposing roles.
1122
00:49:18,926 --> 00:49:21,359
People who were actually mirror
images of each other
1123
00:49:21,462 --> 00:49:24,463
should hate each
other they way they did.
1124
00:49:24,565 --> 00:49:26,965
And there was that great
moment where Kirk says,
1125
00:49:27,067 --> 00:49:29,167
"Why do you people hate
each other so much?
1126
00:49:29,269 --> 00:49:31,503
You're... you're the same."
1127
00:49:31,605 --> 00:49:32,938
"Don't you get it?
1128
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,574
He's black on the right
side, I'm black on the left."
1129
00:49:35,676 --> 00:49:38,977
You know, "Oh."
1130
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,779
Science fiction is at its best
1131
00:49:40,881 --> 00:49:42,481
when it challenges you.
1132
00:49:42,583 --> 00:49:45,684
It presents a message
while disguising itself
1133
00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:47,152
as entertainment.
1134
00:49:47,254 --> 00:49:49,421
In an episode called "Symbiosis,"
1135
00:49:49,523 --> 00:49:52,591
there's a planet where
they're all addicted.
1136
00:49:52,693 --> 00:49:55,527
And there's another species
1137
00:49:55,629 --> 00:49:57,596
that always supplies
them with their drug.
1138
00:49:57,698 --> 00:49:59,598
And we know
that... that this is
1139
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:02,534
this horrible enabling situation.
1140
00:50:02,636 --> 00:50:06,037
And we could easily cure the addicts.
1141
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:10,475
- Please, help us.
- I'm not sure that I can.
1142
00:50:12,813 --> 00:50:14,212
But do we get involved
1143
00:50:14,314 --> 00:50:15,714
or do we let them figure it out?
1144
00:50:15,816 --> 00:50:18,817
The moment that I
felt was so haunting to me
1145
00:50:18,919 --> 00:50:21,520
was the one where B'Elanna is pregnant
1146
00:50:21,622 --> 00:50:24,623
and can see that her
child will have Klingon DNA
1147
00:50:24,725 --> 00:50:27,926
and be born with the
forehead and she has developed a way
1148
00:50:28,028 --> 00:50:29,861
to possibly alter that so her daughter
1149
00:50:29,963 --> 00:50:32,330
doesn't have to go through
what she went through.
1150
00:50:32,432 --> 00:50:35,333
And I wept when I read the episode.
1151
00:50:35,435 --> 00:50:37,002
But then to be responsible for a child
1152
00:50:37,104 --> 00:50:40,605
and to have the technology to change
the future of this child.
1153
00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:43,074
And it was, um...
1154
00:50:43,177 --> 00:50:44,943
It was a difficult and
wonderful episode.
1155
00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:46,611
When you look at Data, you know,
1156
00:50:46,713 --> 00:50:49,714
at one point he is on trial, you know.
1157
00:50:49,817 --> 00:50:54,419
And it's, like, is he on
trial because he's different?
1158
00:50:54,521 --> 00:50:58,490
Is he on trial because he
should be not be thinking
1159
00:50:58,592 --> 00:51:00,625
the way that he's
thinking because he's, after all,
1160
00:51:00,727 --> 00:51:02,694
a machine and should
not be moving...
1161
00:51:02,796 --> 00:51:06,565
I mean, they're all the questions
that we deal with.
1162
00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:09,868
And whether it's race because
it's skin color,
1163
00:51:09,970 --> 00:51:12,704
or race because you're an android,
1164
00:51:12,806 --> 00:51:15,841
or, you know, race because you're
only this big and fuzzy.
1165
00:51:15,943 --> 00:51:17,309
You're a Tribble, you know?
1166
00:51:17,411 --> 00:51:20,512
It's all of these
stories go into saying,
1167
00:51:20,614 --> 00:51:24,015
"Hey, we actually all have
to try to do this together."
1168
00:51:25,953 --> 00:51:27,752
The cultural makeup of the bridge,
1169
00:51:27,855 --> 00:51:29,554
that was science fiction...
- Absolutely.
1170
00:51:29,656 --> 00:51:31,289
In the mid '60s.
1171
00:51:31,391 --> 00:51:33,592
People who watch it today have no idea
1172
00:51:33,694 --> 00:51:36,127
how startling that was.
1173
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:38,496
You had this multi-cultural crew,
1174
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:39,698
not just multi-cultural,
1175
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,868
but it was male and female as well.
1176
00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:45,804
I mean, I know that when Roddenberry
did the first pilot
1177
00:51:45,906 --> 00:51:47,606
and Majel Barrett was Number One,
1178
00:51:47,708 --> 00:51:49,541
the studio was like...
- Yeah.
1179
00:51:49,643 --> 00:51:51,763
Who's gonna believe a
woman in charge of a starship?
1180
00:51:51,845 --> 00:51:52,878
Coming up,
1181
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:54,779
"Star Trek" invents the cell phone.
1182
00:51:54,882 --> 00:51:56,748
The tech that predicts our future.
1183
00:51:59,099 --> 00:52:00,877
The thing that's really
amazing about "Star Trek"
1184
00:52:00,901 --> 00:52:02,478
is that it definitely
has inspired people
1185
00:52:02,502 --> 00:52:04,803
to sort of, you know, proceed
down that path, right?
1186
00:52:04,905 --> 00:52:06,438
- Yeah.
- A lot of technologists,
1187
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,040
of course talk about the StarTAC
Motorola phone, right?
1188
00:52:09,142 --> 00:52:10,787
The flip phone coming
from the communicator.
1189
00:52:10,811 --> 00:52:13,712
But it gives people a
vision to sort of think about,
1190
00:52:13,814 --> 00:52:15,246
"Well, why isn't that possible?
1191
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:16,693
Well, the PADD is an obvious thing,
1192
00:52:16,717 --> 00:52:18,861
which the iPad, I think, was
designed after specifically.
1193
00:52:18,885 --> 00:52:20,352
- Didn't they say...
- Yes.
1194
00:52:20,454 --> 00:52:21,598
- He took the design from iPad...
- Yes.
1195
00:52:21,622 --> 00:52:24,222
Well, they wanted to call it a PADD,
1196
00:52:24,291 --> 00:52:25,757
Personal Access Display Device,
1197
00:52:25,826 --> 00:52:27,003
which is what we called it on the show,
1198
00:52:27,027 --> 00:52:28,693
but Paramount wouldn't allow it.
1199
00:52:28,795 --> 00:52:30,462
And what's really neat, I mean,
1200
00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:32,175
the computer
interaction is things like we get
1201
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:34,566
- with Siri and Alexa.
- Well, yes, exactly.
1202
00:52:34,635 --> 00:52:36,368
I mean, you literally
talk to a computer,
1203
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:38,169
and it, you know, responds
to your queries.
1204
00:52:38,271 --> 00:52:39,938
Wow, you don't even think about that.
1205
00:52:40,007 --> 00:52:40,984
- Yeah.
- I mean, I think this is
1206
00:52:41,008 --> 00:52:43,808
a really... kind of a neat dynamic
1207
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:46,444
of science sort of
influencing science fiction
1208
00:52:46,546 --> 00:52:50,081
and in return, getting
some sort of inspiration back.
1209
00:52:50,183 --> 00:52:51,995
The only thing they got
really, really wrong for me
1210
00:52:52,019 --> 00:52:53,551
is the fact that they plugged Data in.
1211
00:52:53,654 --> 00:52:55,020
I feel like he'd have Bluetooth.
1212
00:52:57,557 --> 00:52:59,002
They got to put him in
his charger every night.
1213
00:53:00,027 --> 00:53:01,371
When I see someone in a restaurant
1214
00:53:01,395 --> 00:53:03,962
and they have the Bluetooth in their ear
1215
00:53:04,031 --> 00:53:05,930
while dining with someone else,
1216
00:53:06,033 --> 00:53:09,000
I usually shout out, "Let it go, Uhura."
1217
00:53:11,038 --> 00:53:11,970
And you know what?
1218
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:13,282
They know what I'm talking about.
1219
00:53:13,306 --> 00:53:15,140
- Oh, there you go.
- And they feel horrible.
1220
00:53:19,946 --> 00:53:22,714
Gene was clearly a visionary.
1221
00:53:22,816 --> 00:53:24,349
He went and studied, though,
1222
00:53:24,451 --> 00:53:26,551
the technologies that would be involved
1223
00:53:26,653 --> 00:53:29,320
in order to make his show credible.
1224
00:53:29,423 --> 00:53:31,856
Believability was a
huge thing for my father.
1225
00:53:31,958 --> 00:53:35,493
If you go back and read some of
the original writers' guides
1226
00:53:35,595 --> 00:53:37,295
and bibles for the original series,
1227
00:53:37,397 --> 00:53:40,932
He says in there, you know,
"Believability is essential."
1228
00:53:41,034 --> 00:53:42,701
He brought Harvey Lynn, his cousin
1229
00:53:42,769 --> 00:53:45,303
who worked with the
RAND company, to advise.
1230
00:53:45,405 --> 00:53:47,672
And that's where a lot of
the technology came from.
1231
00:53:47,774 --> 00:53:50,108
I think because I
loved the space program,
1232
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:52,911
"Star Trek" to me at
that point felt real.
1233
00:53:53,013 --> 00:53:54,813
It felt like they all
took it kinda seriously.
1234
00:53:54,848 --> 00:53:56,448
There was a real ship like that.
1235
00:53:56,516 --> 00:53:58,828
I do remember when I was a kid
I thought that was a real ship.
1236
00:53:58,852 --> 00:54:00,452
I thought, you know, "There's a big ship
1237
00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:02,407
that flies around in
space. I see it every week."
1238
00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:04,989
The technology absolutely
captured my imagination.
1239
00:54:05,058 --> 00:54:08,927
I mean, especially the
idea of being able to
1240
00:54:09,029 --> 00:54:11,029
live in this giant spaceship.
1241
00:54:11,131 --> 00:54:13,798
He wanted to do adult
stories, adult science fiction,
1242
00:54:13,867 --> 00:54:17,068
so he knew that in order to
make that kind of a show work,
1243
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:20,171
he had a very credible
design for his starship.
1244
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,207
But there's a reason
the Enterprise hangs
1245
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:25,009
in the Smithsonian Institute.
1246
00:54:25,078 --> 00:54:27,445
It is such... not
just an iconic ship,
1247
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:28,980
but such a beautiful ship.
1248
00:54:29,082 --> 00:54:31,249
It's a magnificent aesthetic
achievement.
1249
00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:34,252
Roddenberry said, "We
want our audience to believe
1250
00:54:34,354 --> 00:54:36,654
that for the hour
they're watching 'Star Trek, '
1251
00:54:36,723 --> 00:54:40,091
they're really on a
spaceship out exploring the galaxy.
1252
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,860
So we have to design the bridge.
1253
00:54:41,962 --> 00:54:44,062
We have to think about navigation.
1254
00:54:44,131 --> 00:54:46,164
We have to think about
what powers the ship."
1255
00:54:46,266 --> 00:54:47,506
And then he thought, "You know,
1256
00:54:47,601 --> 00:54:50,168
why don't we set up a system
1257
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:51,703
in the sick bay called the biobed?
1258
00:54:51,805 --> 00:54:53,972
A crewman comes in, lays
down on the biobed,
1259
00:54:54,074 --> 00:54:55,807
and on a computer screen above the bed,
1260
00:54:55,909 --> 00:54:58,777
it instantly displays all
of their vital signs."
1261
00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:00,359
The creators of "Star Trek"
1262
00:55:00,447 --> 00:55:02,647
designed and engineered
gadgets for the crew
1263
00:55:02,716 --> 00:55:04,516
that are decades ahead of their time.
1264
00:55:04,618 --> 00:55:07,852
And inspire the devices that
are second nature to us today.
1265
00:55:07,954 --> 00:55:11,122
But also the smaller
things like the tricorder
1266
00:55:11,191 --> 00:55:13,892
or the communicator, which, I mean,
1267
00:55:13,994 --> 00:55:16,194
you know I have one in
my pocket right now
1268
00:55:16,263 --> 00:55:17,962
that's not dissimilar.
1269
00:55:18,064 --> 00:55:20,031
Leonard Nimoy, years ago,
1270
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:24,402
he told me the flip
phone was purposely designed
1271
00:55:24,471 --> 00:55:26,204
to look like a communicator.
1272
00:55:26,273 --> 00:55:28,206
That the inventor of the flip phone
1273
00:55:28,275 --> 00:55:31,409
wanted it to be a
pastiche of "Star Trek."
1274
00:55:31,511 --> 00:55:34,445
A guy named Martin
Cooper in the 1970s
1275
00:55:34,548 --> 00:55:38,249
was tasked by Motorola and Bell Labs
1276
00:55:38,351 --> 00:55:41,419
to create a, you know, one
of the first cell phones.
1277
00:55:41,521 --> 00:55:43,822
A portable telephone that, you know,
1278
00:55:43,924 --> 00:55:45,623
you could carry and walk around with,
1279
00:55:45,725 --> 00:55:47,759
and it would ultimately be small enough
1280
00:55:47,828 --> 00:55:49,194
to fit in a pocket.
1281
00:55:49,296 --> 00:55:53,498
And Cooper explicitly
said, "When I was designing
1282
00:55:53,567 --> 00:55:57,001
that first handheld phone, I thought,
1283
00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:58,514
You know, this thing is kinda big.
1284
00:55:58,538 --> 00:56:01,506
It's a little bulky, but
if I fold it in half,
1285
00:56:01,575 --> 00:56:04,209
that'll save... that'll save space.
1286
00:56:04,311 --> 00:56:06,031
It'll make it smaller
and easier to carry.
1287
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,679
Plus, it'll be really cool to flip open
1288
00:56:07,747 --> 00:56:09,614
Like the communicators on "Star Trek."'"
1289
00:56:09,716 --> 00:56:12,951
You have these PADDs that
are now iPads and everything.
1290
00:56:13,019 --> 00:56:16,888
Well, we didn't have iPads
then, so it was... it was like
1291
00:56:16,990 --> 00:56:19,057
we were doing it, we'd
be making things up.
1292
00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:20,736
But if you set it down
too hard, you gotta do...
1293
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,826
It would make a clunk.
1294
00:56:21,928 --> 00:56:22,905
You'd have to take the whole shot over.
1295
00:56:22,929 --> 00:56:25,563
The PADDs that they used,
1296
00:56:25,665 --> 00:56:27,966
which had nothing on them,
1297
00:56:28,034 --> 00:56:32,370
we'd use them in the
stories to somehow advance the plot,
1298
00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:34,939
or they're looking at a report.
1299
00:56:35,041 --> 00:56:38,443
Never in a million
years did any of us think
1300
00:56:38,545 --> 00:56:40,678
this would be a thing.
1301
00:56:40,747 --> 00:56:42,647
It was total science fiction to us.
1302
00:56:42,749 --> 00:56:45,049
It was 20 years after
1303
00:56:45,151 --> 00:56:47,151
The Next
Generation" premiered
1304
00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:49,787
that Apple introduced the iPad.
1305
00:56:49,856 --> 00:56:55,059
And that's, you know, that's
a dead ringer, really,
1306
00:56:55,128 --> 00:56:56,772
for the PADDs that we had on "Star
Trek: The Next Generation"
1307
00:56:56,796 --> 00:56:58,463
20 years earlier.
1308
00:56:58,565 --> 00:57:00,665
People forget this. They
look at it now, they say,
1309
00:57:00,767 --> 00:57:02,647
"Oh, 'Star Trek's' so
dated. It's so primitive."
1310
00:57:02,702 --> 00:57:03,768
They have no idea.
1311
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:05,870
Supermarkets didn't
have sliding doors yet.
1312
00:57:05,972 --> 00:57:07,906
That's how prescient "Star Trek" was.
1313
00:57:07,974 --> 00:57:10,441
It was Roddenberry's
idea for the holodeck,
1314
00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:13,077
which I always thought was
revolutionary, you know?
1315
00:57:13,146 --> 00:57:14,812
Virtual reality was being explored
1316
00:57:14,881 --> 00:57:17,248
in science fiction novels,
1317
00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:20,051
but he was really the
first to kind of put
1318
00:57:20,153 --> 00:57:23,488
true, thorough virtual reality,
1319
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:25,056
certainly onto a television show.
1320
00:57:25,158 --> 00:57:27,458
The holodeck, which
was a wonderful invention
1321
00:57:27,527 --> 00:57:31,429
taken to imaginative creative
extremes in "Next Generation,"
1322
00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:33,491
has its origins in the "Star
Trek" animated series
1323
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:34,653
that most people don't know.
1324
00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:36,501
The holodeck was in an episode
1325
00:57:36,603 --> 00:57:38,403
of the "Star Trek"
cartoon, "Practical Joker."
1326
00:57:38,438 --> 00:57:39,782
That was the first time we saw that.
1327
00:57:39,806 --> 00:57:41,951
If you look at "Star
Trek," the original "Star Trek,"
1328
00:57:41,975 --> 00:57:45,276
you will see Spock holding little cards
1329
00:57:45,345 --> 00:57:47,812
and data cards that he would slip
1330
00:57:47,914 --> 00:57:49,614
into a slot on the computer.
1331
00:57:49,716 --> 00:57:52,317
They look exactly like
the 3 1/2" floppy disks
1332
00:57:52,419 --> 00:57:54,352
that were created 20 years later.
1333
00:57:54,454 --> 00:57:56,454
It's remarkable to think, you know,
1334
00:57:56,523 --> 00:57:57,789
Siri's getting pretty close
1335
00:57:57,891 --> 00:57:59,424
to the computer on the Enterprise.
1336
00:57:59,509 --> 00:58:02,827
"Star Trek," I think,
on the technology side,
1337
00:58:02,896 --> 00:58:05,713
partly it's the
extraordinary vision of Gene and the people
1338
00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:08,249
that he worked with in
creating that original show
1339
00:58:08,351 --> 00:58:12,153
and thinking about how
things can be better in the future,
1340
00:58:12,255 --> 00:58:14,389
and then people growing
up watching "Star Trek"
1341
00:58:14,491 --> 00:58:16,024
making those things happen
1342
00:58:16,126 --> 00:58:17,992
because they were
inspired by "Star Trek."
1343
00:58:18,094 --> 00:58:21,129
So it's a really
fascinating kind of feedback loop
1344
00:58:21,231 --> 00:58:23,831
between art and science.
1345
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,301
I can't think of another
show that had nearly the impact
1346
00:58:26,403 --> 00:58:30,271
for people who really, you
know, work in the aerospace industry
1347
00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:31,839
that "Star Trek" did, right.
1348
00:58:31,908 --> 00:58:34,053
Or even for a lot of cases,
physics and things like that.
1349
00:58:34,077 --> 00:58:37,512
Because it did take a
realistic approach to science
1350
00:58:37,614 --> 00:58:39,747
and using science to solve problems.
1351
00:58:39,816 --> 00:58:42,784
But you try to solve
them with a rational approach.
1352
00:58:42,886 --> 00:58:45,820
Coming up, the
Enterprise lifts off.
1353
00:58:47,504 --> 00:58:49,450
"Star Trek" begins as a prime-time
1354
00:58:49,474 --> 00:58:50,807
television series,
1355
00:58:50,909 --> 00:58:52,442
but over the next half century,
1356
00:58:52,544 --> 00:58:54,878
it reaches far beyond the airwaves
1357
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:57,180
to help shape our world.
1358
00:58:57,282 --> 00:58:59,782
"Star Trek" inspired people.
1359
00:58:59,851 --> 00:59:03,520
"Star Trek," like, people
became scientists.
1360
00:59:03,622 --> 00:59:05,088
They became physicists.
1361
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:07,757
They became doctors and astronauts
1362
00:59:07,859 --> 00:59:09,692
because of "Star Trek."
1363
00:59:09,761 --> 00:59:12,495
When you see someone who
says, "You were such a role model.
1364
00:59:12,564 --> 00:59:14,404
You know, I went to med
school because of you."
1365
00:59:14,466 --> 00:59:16,282
Or, "I got into nursing because of you."
1366
00:59:16,384 --> 00:59:18,918
It made it richer for me. It
made it a richer experience.
1367
00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:20,915
One of the reasons I
wanted to become an engineer
1368
00:59:20,939 --> 00:59:22,705
was because of "Star Trek."
1369
00:59:22,807 --> 00:59:26,509
Because there was
something different about it
1370
00:59:26,578 --> 00:59:31,064
in that the world felt more
thought through and real
1371
00:59:31,166 --> 00:59:33,633
than other things that you had seen.
1372
00:59:33,735 --> 00:59:37,103
I mean, there's a picture of
NASA and Mission Control
1373
00:59:37,205 --> 00:59:39,272
and people were wearing Spock ears.
1374
00:59:39,374 --> 00:59:43,276
People who went to
college to study physics
1375
00:59:43,378 --> 00:59:45,945
or engineering or
medicine because they grew up
1376
00:59:46,014 --> 00:59:47,680
and were inspired by "Star Trek."
1377
00:59:47,749 --> 00:59:50,483
And wanted to be the next
Scotty or the next Dr. McCoy.
1378
00:59:50,585 --> 00:59:52,018
Jimmy Doohan, who played Scotty,
1379
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,420
and DeForest Kelley, who played McCoy,
1380
00:59:54,489 --> 00:59:58,491
were always relating stories
1381
00:59:58,593 --> 01:00:00,059
of people who had written to them
1382
01:00:00,128 --> 01:00:02,128
and would become engineers and doctors
1383
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:04,063
because of "Star Trek."
1384
01:00:04,132 --> 01:00:06,299
I think that was great.
1385
01:00:06,401 --> 01:00:09,602
But how does that apply
to me? And it didn't.
1386
01:00:09,671 --> 01:00:11,638
And for the longest time, it didn't.
1387
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:15,141
Until I met a young
lady, who after "Star Trek"
1388
01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:18,578
had gone to school to learn Russian
1389
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,748
and went to work for
the State Department.
1390
01:00:21,850 --> 01:00:26,419
Her mission was so important
1391
01:00:26,488 --> 01:00:28,388
that she couldn't tell
me what it was about.
1392
01:00:28,490 --> 01:00:30,490
But it had to do with the Russians,
1393
01:00:30,592 --> 01:00:33,726
so I actually helped inspire a spy.
1394
01:00:34,963 --> 01:00:37,130
I was so fascinated by "Star Trek"
1395
01:00:37,232 --> 01:00:40,600
that maybe the first filmmaking
book I can remember reading was
1396
01:00:40,702 --> 01:00:43,102
"The Making of Star
Trek" by Stephen Whitfield.
1397
01:00:43,204 --> 01:00:44,971
And I remember being so fascinated
1398
01:00:45,073 --> 01:00:48,374
by looking at the behind-the-scenes
pictures,
1399
01:00:48,476 --> 01:00:51,210
the layout of how the
sets were put together
1400
01:00:51,313 --> 01:00:53,846
at Desilu and Paramount Studios.
1401
01:00:53,949 --> 01:00:56,082
The idea of using a colored light
1402
01:00:56,151 --> 01:00:58,051
to create different planets.
1403
01:00:58,153 --> 01:01:01,454
Just all the imagination
that went into it,
1404
01:01:01,523 --> 01:01:03,289
it just really excited me,
1405
01:01:03,391 --> 01:01:06,859
and it really became a
doorway into the idea of filmmaking
1406
01:01:06,962 --> 01:01:10,296
and into television, which
obviously, you know,
1407
01:01:10,398 --> 01:01:11,664
I've spent my whole life on.
1408
01:01:11,766 --> 01:01:14,334
Probably one of the most
influential books in my life
1409
01:01:14,436 --> 01:01:16,235
was discovering "The
Making of Star Trek"
1410
01:01:16,338 --> 01:01:18,805
by Stephen Whitfield, which
I found at a school book fair
1411
01:01:18,907 --> 01:01:20,373
in the sixth grade.
1412
01:01:20,442 --> 01:01:23,843
And I read that thing cover
to cover over and over again
1413
01:01:23,945 --> 01:01:26,646
'cause that really was about
the making of a television series,
1414
01:01:26,715 --> 01:01:30,049
about selling a
pilot, you know, show bibles
1415
01:01:30,151 --> 01:01:32,518
and production questions and issues
1416
01:01:32,620 --> 01:01:33,698
and fighting with networks.
1417
01:01:33,722 --> 01:01:36,222
And I was completely enthralled with it.
1418
01:01:36,324 --> 01:01:40,193
And it sort of... it imprinted itself
in me in a profound way.
1419
01:01:40,261 --> 01:01:42,261
You know, I didn't really think about
1420
01:01:42,364 --> 01:01:44,564
becoming a television
writer at that age,
1421
01:01:44,632 --> 01:01:45,843
and wouldn't for many, many years.
1422
01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:47,567
'Cause that wasn't a real job.
1423
01:01:47,635 --> 01:01:50,403
But reading that book gave
me a hunger to do that.
1424
01:01:50,505 --> 01:01:53,139
I wanted, on some basic
level, to do that, too,
1425
01:01:53,241 --> 01:01:55,641
to make a television
series and to do those things
1426
01:01:55,744 --> 01:01:57,010
like Gene had done.
1427
01:01:57,078 --> 01:02:00,580
We were invited to the
rollout of the Enterprise shuttle.
1428
01:02:00,648 --> 01:02:04,083
I didn't have an
understanding of how significant it was
1429
01:02:04,185 --> 01:02:05,952
until we got there.
1430
01:02:06,054 --> 01:02:07,854
And there were several
hundred people there.
1431
01:02:07,922 --> 01:02:10,189
And they had the Air Force Band.
1432
01:02:10,291 --> 01:02:15,061
The conductor raised the
baton and waved his hand
1433
01:02:15,163 --> 01:02:18,131
and the band started playing up.
1434
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,467
The Enterprise rolled
out from behind the building,
1435
01:02:21,569 --> 01:02:23,870
and it was amazing to see.
1436
01:02:23,972 --> 01:02:26,472
As it came out, the band started playing
1437
01:02:26,574 --> 01:02:28,641
the theme music from "Star Trek."
1438
01:02:28,743 --> 01:02:34,847
And we jumped up as one, and
were cheering and screaming.
1439
01:02:34,916 --> 01:02:37,717
It was just the most remarkable moment.
1440
01:02:37,819 --> 01:02:40,486
And, you know, across
the nose of the shuttle
1441
01:02:40,555 --> 01:02:42,822
was the word "Enterprise."
1442
01:02:42,924 --> 01:02:46,893
For the first time, I
realized that there was a significance
1443
01:02:46,995 --> 01:02:50,963
beyond the fact that we
were a television show
1444
01:02:51,032 --> 01:02:52,598
that went on once a week.
1445
01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:56,369
That we really had an
influence in the culture.
1446
01:02:56,471 --> 01:02:57,804
And I guess it was the first time
1447
01:02:57,906 --> 01:03:01,207
that I really felt
that I could take a bow.
1448
01:03:01,309 --> 01:03:05,111
Up until then, my sense
was, "I'm a supporting character
1449
01:03:05,213 --> 01:03:07,346
"with very little to do.
1450
01:03:07,449 --> 01:03:11,284
I'm riding the coattails of
this television project,
1451
01:03:11,386 --> 01:03:13,553
and I haven't really
contributed very much.
1452
01:03:13,655 --> 01:03:16,856
Well, that was all
true, but I realized then
1453
01:03:16,958 --> 01:03:20,793
that I was part of a
group that, as a group,
1454
01:03:20,862 --> 01:03:22,261
we had an influence.
1455
01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:25,431
That we had an influence in society
1456
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,278
Because of "Star Trek," I
am all the things I just said.
1457
01:03:27,302 --> 01:03:30,470
Engineer, physicist,
doctor, psychiatrist.
1458
01:03:30,572 --> 01:03:33,039
I've joined the military.
I became a policeman.
1459
01:03:33,141 --> 01:03:36,909
But the most potent, I think,
1460
01:03:37,011 --> 01:03:38,778
are the stories where someone comes up
1461
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,482
and looks you in the eye and says,
1462
01:03:42,584 --> 01:03:46,052
"Star Trek was the only time in my house
1463
01:03:46,154 --> 01:03:48,121
where there was peace.
1464
01:03:48,223 --> 01:03:51,324
Where my dad or my mother or
the abuse or the alcohol,"
1465
01:03:51,426 --> 01:03:53,993
or whatever it was, "the
only time where we sat together
1466
01:03:54,062 --> 01:03:58,431
and it was peaceful and trouble-free."
1467
01:03:58,533 --> 01:04:00,700
And... and it's heartbreaking.
1468
01:04:00,802 --> 01:04:01,901
And it's true.
1469
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:03,650
You can see it in their
eyes how true it is
1470
01:04:03,705 --> 01:04:04,904
and how important it is.
1471
01:04:04,973 --> 01:04:10,143
There are people who have
gone to nine foster homes,
1472
01:04:10,245 --> 01:04:15,081
and the only steady thing in
all of those foster homes
1473
01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:17,250
was that the family watched "Star Trek."
1474
01:04:17,352 --> 01:04:20,286
"Star Trek" over the
years has inspired people.
1475
01:04:20,355 --> 01:04:25,658
And whether it's inspired
them to follow their dreams
1476
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,660
or believe in themselves,
1477
01:04:27,762 --> 01:04:30,696
I mean, that's the... one
of the key messages
1478
01:04:30,798 --> 01:04:34,967
in "Star Trek" is,
"You're a great person.
1479
01:04:35,069 --> 01:04:37,270
You have valid thoughts, valid ideas.
1480
01:04:37,372 --> 01:04:40,540
Never think of yourself
as less than anyone else.
1481
01:04:40,642 --> 01:04:45,178
Now go out there and
follow your dreams."
1482
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,812
We were talking earlier, Doug,
1483
01:04:46,915 --> 01:04:50,516
before we started shooting
here and I just found out,
1484
01:04:50,618 --> 01:04:53,953
somehow, just found out
about a book right here.
1485
01:04:54,055 --> 01:04:55,575
How could you have missed this book?
1486
01:04:55,623 --> 01:05:00,393
Here it is, "The Making of Star Trek."
1487
01:05:00,461 --> 01:05:01,928
That's the book.
1488
01:05:01,996 --> 01:05:03,696
- The book.
- The book.
1489
01:05:03,798 --> 01:05:06,065
That book changed my life completely.
1490
01:05:06,167 --> 01:05:07,311
That book came out, I guess, like,
1491
01:05:07,335 --> 01:05:08,612
the second season of "Star Trek."
1492
01:05:08,636 --> 01:05:10,503
- Uh-huh.
- I was crazy about the show.
1493
01:05:10,605 --> 01:05:13,105
That book was, I mean for me,
1494
01:05:13,208 --> 01:05:15,474
it was like Popeye downing
a can of spinach.
1495
01:05:15,543 --> 01:05:16,587
- Can I see it?
- I mean, look at this.
1496
01:05:16,611 --> 01:05:17,888
This is the diagram of the bridge.
1497
01:05:17,912 --> 01:05:21,180
Honestly, I mean, it
totally gave me a direction.
1498
01:05:21,282 --> 01:05:23,749
I knew what I wanted to
do after I read that book.
1499
01:05:23,818 --> 01:05:26,953
And I could say that "Star
Trek" and that book
1500
01:05:27,021 --> 01:05:29,266
made me who I am today, and
that kinda sounds a little sad.
1501
01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:31,724
But, you know, it led
me to a couple of Emmys.
1502
01:05:31,826 --> 01:05:33,793
Led me to an Academy Award, you know.
1503
01:05:33,895 --> 01:05:36,028
And that's all because of "Star Trek."
1504
01:05:36,097 --> 01:05:38,798
Coming up, the
battle of the episodes.
1505
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:40,499
The cast reveal their favorites.
1506
01:05:40,568 --> 01:05:43,464
This episode is brilliant.
1507
01:05:44,865 --> 01:05:46,941
My favorite episodes
were always the ones...
1508
01:05:46,965 --> 01:05:48,276
Personally, 'cause, you
know, I was doing 'em.
1509
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:50,167
- Mm-hmm.
- Were the ones where Seven
1510
01:05:50,269 --> 01:05:51,629
was really exploring her humanity.
1511
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:53,770
So I think it was "Someone
To Watch Over Me"
1512
01:05:53,872 --> 01:05:55,350
where the doctor's
teaching Seven how to date.
1513
01:05:55,374 --> 01:05:57,474
- Oh, that's a great one.
- And I just...
1514
01:05:57,576 --> 01:06:00,010
I thought that was so
lovely and so touching,
1515
01:06:00,112 --> 01:06:01,611
and it just broke my heart at the end
1516
01:06:01,713 --> 01:06:03,124
when he's kinda falling
in love with Seven
1517
01:06:03,148 --> 01:06:04,893
and she's like, "Yeah, there's
nobody here for me."
1518
01:06:04,917 --> 01:06:06,349
I hated that moment.
1519
01:06:06,451 --> 01:06:08,851
That's where you break the
exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken.
1520
01:06:08,887 --> 01:06:10,420
- Yes!
- The lobster.
1521
01:06:10,522 --> 01:06:11,833
The creature has an exoskeleton, yes.
1522
01:06:12,991 --> 01:06:14,991
So that was one of my
favorites, definitely.
1523
01:06:19,998 --> 01:06:23,667
Well, a truly great "Star Trek" episode,
1524
01:06:23,769 --> 01:06:28,071
in my opinion, has a
list of ingredients.
1525
01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:30,106
It's an equation.
1526
01:06:30,209 --> 01:06:33,109
And that equation includes:
1527
01:06:33,212 --> 01:06:36,046
a great high concept
1528
01:06:36,148 --> 01:06:39,316
that provides cool character dynamics
1529
01:06:39,418 --> 01:06:42,519
and conflict, but also is a parable.
1530
01:06:42,621 --> 01:06:43,954
It has some deeper theme.
1531
01:06:44,056 --> 01:06:45,455
"Devil in the Dark"
1532
01:06:45,557 --> 01:06:46,890
I thought was a wonderful episode
1533
01:06:46,992 --> 01:06:50,694
about... about fear of the unknown.
1534
01:06:50,796 --> 01:06:52,229
How we fear... and even hate
1535
01:06:52,331 --> 01:06:54,664
something that we don't
know anything about.
1536
01:06:54,766 --> 01:06:56,499
Learn who your enemy
is and maybe then...
1537
01:06:56,602 --> 01:06:59,603
Maybe then it's no longer your enemy.
1538
01:07:00,772 --> 01:07:02,405
Interesting episode.
1539
01:07:02,507 --> 01:07:04,741
You know, I remember the
"Devil in the Dark" episode
1540
01:07:04,843 --> 01:07:06,576
with the Horta. That really left
1541
01:07:06,678 --> 01:07:07,956
a big impression on me as a kid,
1542
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:09,813
that he didn't kill the monster
1543
01:07:09,915 --> 01:07:11,226
and that the monster was a mother
1544
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:12,582
and had all these eggs.
1545
01:07:12,684 --> 01:07:13,917
They're eggs, aren't they?
1546
01:07:14,019 --> 01:07:15,785
Yes, Captain. Eggs.
1547
01:07:15,887 --> 01:07:17,454
And about to hatch.
1548
01:07:17,556 --> 01:07:19,055
"A City on the Edge of Forever"
1549
01:07:19,157 --> 01:07:21,191
which is, of course, the
episode of "Star Trek"
1550
01:07:21,293 --> 01:07:23,693
that is the one that everybody
knows is a great one.
1551
01:07:23,795 --> 01:07:26,162
It's a little bit... it's
an eccentric episode.
1552
01:07:26,265 --> 01:07:29,933
I love also the two-parter.
1553
01:07:30,035 --> 01:07:32,769
The repurposing of the original pilot
1554
01:07:32,871 --> 01:07:34,104
into "The Ca..."
1555
01:07:34,206 --> 01:07:36,072
What is it, "The Cage:
Part one and two"?
1556
01:07:36,174 --> 01:07:40,210
And that's brilliant... we
refer to these shows all the time
1557
01:07:40,312 --> 01:07:41,823
on "Breaking Bad" in the writer's room.
1558
01:07:41,847 --> 01:07:43,747
We prefer to, you know, Tranya.
1559
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:46,983
We refer to Captain Pike
with his... with the light.
1560
01:07:47,085 --> 01:07:49,552
I mean, which, you
know, couldn't even think of
1561
01:07:49,655 --> 01:07:51,955
as being a little bit
like a Hector Salamanca
1562
01:07:52,057 --> 01:07:54,124
when he's in the
wheelchair and he's got the bell.
1563
01:07:54,226 --> 01:07:55,992
I really loved "Yesterday's Enterprise."
1564
01:07:56,094 --> 01:07:57,560
It was a spec script that I had
1565
01:07:57,663 --> 01:08:00,096
that had gone through a
couple of drafts already.
1566
01:08:00,198 --> 01:08:01,998
Then I took a pass at it
1567
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,868
and reconceiving the
story and kinda making it
1568
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:06,870
a much more darker
universe on the other side
1569
01:08:06,972 --> 01:08:09,272
and emphasizing the war aspect of it.
1570
01:08:09,374 --> 01:08:10,840
And the tragedy of it.
1571
01:08:10,942 --> 01:08:14,311
My favorite is my
favorite because it's just brilliant.
1572
01:08:14,413 --> 01:08:17,147
Brilliant writing. Brilliant directing.
1573
01:08:17,249 --> 01:08:18,715
Brilliant acting.
1574
01:08:18,817 --> 01:08:21,151
And it's called "Far Beyond the Stars."
1575
01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:24,087
It's where all the series regulars
1576
01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:26,089
appear as humans,
1577
01:08:26,191 --> 01:08:29,893
and the episode has to deal with racism.
1578
01:08:29,995 --> 01:08:31,895
It's not just good "Star Trek."
1579
01:08:31,997 --> 01:08:34,164
It's not just good science fiction.
1580
01:08:34,266 --> 01:08:35,598
It's great literature.
1581
01:08:42,908 --> 01:08:45,241
Well, you know, I think I'm the last
1582
01:08:45,344 --> 01:08:47,077
character Gene created.
1583
01:08:47,179 --> 01:08:50,814
I think I'm the last
one that he actually created
1584
01:08:50,916 --> 01:08:53,083
based on Texas Guinan.
1585
01:08:53,185 --> 01:08:55,985
Guinan her name
was. After Texas Guinan
1586
01:08:56,088 --> 01:08:57,887
who was a famous card
player and gambler,
1587
01:08:57,989 --> 01:09:00,623
or whatever she was.
1588
01:09:00,726 --> 01:09:04,728
And Whoopi showed up in
the show and brought in
1589
01:09:04,830 --> 01:09:08,598
this... this aura.
1590
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:11,501
And the wild... remember
the shovelhead hats
1591
01:09:11,603 --> 01:09:14,037
she used to wear? That beautiful face
1592
01:09:14,139 --> 01:09:16,272
with those big eyes and
that gorgeous skin
1593
01:09:16,375 --> 01:09:19,342
and the voice. And she
played it so straight.
1594
01:09:19,444 --> 01:09:21,556
Guinan was great, again,
'cause Whoopi's playing it.
1595
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,513
Guinan was a
strange, mysterioso character
1596
01:09:23,615 --> 01:09:24,892
that no... none of us really understood
1597
01:09:24,916 --> 01:09:26,149
what the hell she was.
1598
01:09:26,251 --> 01:09:29,018
When we started really
getting into "Next Gen"
1599
01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:31,054
in the later years, what we said was,
1600
01:09:31,156 --> 01:09:33,123
"It's really about her
relationship with Picard.
1601
01:09:33,225 --> 01:09:35,091
Yes, she's the bartender
and, yes, she listens
1602
01:09:35,193 --> 01:09:37,794
to all their problems and
gives insight to people
1603
01:09:37,896 --> 01:09:41,064
for various issues, but
she has some back-story
1604
01:09:41,166 --> 01:09:43,566
with Picard, and it's a personal
relationship with him
1605
01:09:43,668 --> 01:09:45,079
that drives that character forward.
1606
01:09:45,103 --> 01:09:46,748
And it's the only
reason she's on the ship.
1607
01:09:46,772 --> 01:09:49,572
It's the only reason that
she really matters on the show."
1608
01:09:49,674 --> 01:09:52,575
In my mind, always believed that
1609
01:09:52,677 --> 01:09:55,412
Guinan was the great-great
great-great-great-
1610
01:09:55,514 --> 01:09:57,325
great-great-great-great-
great-great-great-great-great-
1611
01:09:57,349 --> 01:09:59,883
great-great-great-great-great...
couple more greats
1612
01:09:59,985 --> 01:10:02,485
grandmother of Picard.
1613
01:10:02,587 --> 01:10:05,955
And the reason she's on the
ship is just to see how he's doing.
1614
01:10:06,057 --> 01:10:08,124
'Cause, you know, she can
go anywhere at any time,
1615
01:10:08,226 --> 01:10:10,794
and she just irritates the hell outta Q.
1616
01:10:10,896 --> 01:10:13,563
Which made me very
happy. John is wonderful.
1617
01:10:13,665 --> 01:10:16,466
You know him?
1618
01:10:16,568 --> 01:10:17,967
We have had some dealings.
1619
01:10:18,069 --> 01:10:21,037
Those dealings were
two centuries ago.
1620
01:10:21,139 --> 01:10:23,773
This creature is not
what she appears to be.
1621
01:10:23,875 --> 01:10:25,942
She's an imp, and where she goes
1622
01:10:26,044 --> 01:10:27,911
trouble always follows.
1623
01:10:28,013 --> 01:10:29,946
You're speaking of
yourself, Q, not Guinan.
1624
01:10:30,048 --> 01:10:32,515
Guinan? Is that your name now?
1625
01:10:32,617 --> 01:10:34,784
Guinan is not the issue here. You are.
1626
01:10:34,886 --> 01:10:40,089
I ended up doing six
episodes of "Next Generation."
1627
01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:41,903
Anytime there was an
episode with Q in it,
1628
01:10:41,927 --> 01:10:45,662
I loved because
whenever he was in an episode,
1629
01:10:45,764 --> 01:10:47,697
he was, you know, he was Agent Mayhem.
1630
01:10:47,799 --> 01:10:51,134
He was... it was going to
be something really intense,
1631
01:10:51,236 --> 01:10:53,169
and he was seemingly unstoppable.
1632
01:10:53,271 --> 01:10:55,405
And so it was always really
fascinating to watch.
1633
01:10:55,507 --> 01:10:57,407
Jonathan Frakes used to say to me,
1634
01:10:57,509 --> 01:10:59,476
"You're the litmus test.
1635
01:10:59,578 --> 01:11:01,177
You come back once a year."
1636
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:04,747
I always looked forward to
come back, but I never asked.
1637
01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:06,661
It's a little bit like asking
whether you're gonna
1638
01:11:06,685 --> 01:11:08,718
be invited to somebody's dinner party.
1639
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:12,021
The character of Q... that omnipotent,
1640
01:11:12,123 --> 01:11:14,023
Machiavellian,
1641
01:11:14,125 --> 01:11:15,725
cunning, bitter,
1642
01:11:15,827 --> 01:11:18,027
nasty, mean-spirited,
1643
01:11:18,129 --> 01:11:20,230
controlling character...
1644
01:11:20,332 --> 01:11:22,932
I can't even fathom anybody else
1645
01:11:23,034 --> 01:11:25,168
doing as much with it.
1646
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:27,637
Painting that canvas as completely
1647
01:11:27,739 --> 01:11:32,008
as de Lancie did and
does with all his characters.
1648
01:11:32,110 --> 01:11:34,410
Have you any idea how far we'll advance?
1649
01:11:34,513 --> 01:11:37,380
Perhaps in a future that
you cannot yet conceive,
1650
01:11:37,482 --> 01:11:39,382
even beyond us.
1651
01:11:39,484 --> 01:11:41,718
The character on the page
is just not as entertaining.
1652
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:43,052
You give it to John de Lancie,
1653
01:11:43,154 --> 01:11:44,921
and it becomes this other thing, right?
1654
01:11:45,023 --> 01:11:46,823
And everyone enjoyed writing for him.
1655
01:11:46,925 --> 01:11:49,092
It really... people would just write
1656
01:11:49,194 --> 01:11:51,594
scene after scene after
scene for Q in any of those shows,
1657
01:11:51,696 --> 01:11:55,064
and many of them were too
silly or too over-the-top,
1658
01:11:55,166 --> 01:11:57,033
but you just really enjoyed it.
1659
01:11:57,135 --> 01:11:58,379
You really couldn't
wait to dig your...
1660
01:11:58,403 --> 01:12:00,169
Dig into a Q episode.
1661
01:12:00,272 --> 01:12:02,171
Internally, what we
said all the time was,
1662
01:12:02,274 --> 01:12:03,506
"Q is in love with Picard."
1663
01:12:03,608 --> 01:12:05,353
That was the
fundamental of the relationship.
1664
01:12:05,377 --> 01:12:06,737
He's in love with him. He just is.
1665
01:12:06,811 --> 01:12:08,111
He loves Picard.
1666
01:12:08,213 --> 01:12:10,914
It's a particular
relationship with this one human
1667
01:12:11,016 --> 01:12:12,916
and this omnipotent
being that's bizarre,
1668
01:12:13,018 --> 01:12:15,451
but that's really what's
at the heart of it.
1669
01:12:15,554 --> 01:12:18,121
Coming up, Kirk versus Picard.
1670
01:12:18,223 --> 01:12:20,976
Who will win the battle of the captains?
1671
01:12:23,196 --> 01:12:25,229
"Star Trek" is so character-oriented,
1672
01:12:25,331 --> 01:12:27,398
and there were so many great characters.
1673
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:28,944
So many people got a chance to shine.
1674
01:12:28,968 --> 01:12:30,479
But I think that my favorite character
1675
01:12:30,503 --> 01:12:32,904
- is "Mcskirk."
- "Mcskirk"?
1676
01:12:33,006 --> 01:12:33,938
"Mcskirk."
1677
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,351
Which is McCoy, Scotty, and Kirk.
1678
01:12:35,375 --> 01:12:36,852
- Oh...
- 'Cause they're really one guy.
1679
01:12:36,876 --> 01:12:38,776
I was like, "What did I miss?"
1680
01:12:38,878 --> 01:12:40,189
- Mcskirk?
- I didn't see that episode.
1681
01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:41,846
It's a transporter malfunction.
1682
01:12:41,948 --> 01:12:43,548
You take that... those three...
1683
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:45,449
Those three, it's like one guy
1684
01:12:45,552 --> 01:12:46,851
split up three ways.
1685
01:12:46,953 --> 01:12:48,330
You know, ordinarily,
if you have one person,
1686
01:12:48,354 --> 01:12:49,832
if you want to know what's
going on in their head,
1687
01:12:49,856 --> 01:12:52,023
you gotta have a
voice-over or something.
1688
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:54,592
But with those three
guys, split up that way,
1689
01:12:54,694 --> 01:12:56,194
they could have a conversation...
1690
01:12:56,296 --> 01:12:57,573
- Yeah.
- And it's really like one guy.
1691
01:12:57,597 --> 01:12:59,463
I gotta go with Kirk.
1692
01:12:59,566 --> 01:13:01,277
- You gotta go with Kirk.
- I mean, the original series.
1693
01:13:01,301 --> 01:13:03,034
You just... the way he
just kinda, you know,
1694
01:13:03,136 --> 01:13:04,502
- sauntered around.
- Yes.
1695
01:13:04,604 --> 01:13:05,603
You gotta love him.
1696
01:13:10,143 --> 01:13:12,543
The Shat was the guy I grew up on.
1697
01:13:12,645 --> 01:13:14,846
I admire Picard.
1698
01:13:14,948 --> 01:13:17,181
I love them all equally, but...
1699
01:13:17,283 --> 01:13:19,884
uh... I think there is no substitute
1700
01:13:19,986 --> 01:13:21,853
for Bill Shatner.
1701
01:13:21,955 --> 01:13:25,423
Shatner's putting
on such a great persona
1702
01:13:25,525 --> 01:13:27,892
of a trustworthy captain
1703
01:13:27,994 --> 01:13:30,094
with just enough sense of humor.
1704
01:13:30,196 --> 01:13:32,730
You know? And calm under pressure.
1705
01:13:32,832 --> 01:13:34,498
And good with the ladies.
1706
01:13:34,601 --> 01:13:36,167
Shatner had it all.
1707
01:13:36,269 --> 01:13:38,803
The way he presented that character
was just so awesome
1708
01:13:38,905 --> 01:13:41,105
and believable and
theatrical at the same time.
1709
01:13:41,207 --> 01:13:43,074
He's not a subtle guy.
1710
01:13:43,176 --> 01:13:45,376
But I just thought it was great.
1711
01:13:45,478 --> 01:13:47,111
He fought... I think it was, like,
1712
01:13:47,213 --> 01:13:49,847
a Gorgan or
whatever. It's where he had...
1713
01:13:49,949 --> 01:13:52,216
Captain Kirk is stranded in the desert
1714
01:13:52,318 --> 01:13:53,918
and he's got, like, this lizard creature
1715
01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:55,586
he's gotta fight and he's gotta learn
1716
01:13:55,688 --> 01:13:57,321
how to make, like, gunpowder
1717
01:13:57,423 --> 01:13:59,290
and projectiles and stuff like that.
1718
01:13:59,392 --> 01:14:01,826
Certainly the iconic, classic scene
1719
01:14:01,928 --> 01:14:04,328
in which Spock... or Kirk
1720
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:06,297
confronts "God" and says,
1721
01:14:06,399 --> 01:14:08,599
"What does God need with a starship?"
1722
01:14:08,701 --> 01:14:10,179
What other character in
the history of cinema
1723
01:14:10,203 --> 01:14:12,503
would come up to God? Not
even Charlton Heston
1724
01:14:12,605 --> 01:14:15,406
would say to God, "What do
you need with a starship?"
1725
01:14:15,508 --> 01:14:16,774
Absolutely, without question,
1726
01:14:16,876 --> 01:14:19,911
my favorite captain is James T. Kirk.
1727
01:14:20,013 --> 01:14:22,847
I mean, he just... Kirk
did the right thing.
1728
01:14:22,949 --> 01:14:25,149
He said the right
thing. People looked up to him.
1729
01:14:25,251 --> 01:14:28,319
He was a man of action.
He was a man of romance.
1730
01:14:28,421 --> 01:14:32,256
And, like, I mean, as
performed by William Shatner?
1731
01:14:32,358 --> 01:14:34,191
I mean, there was a
reason why as a little kid
1732
01:14:34,294 --> 01:14:36,027
I wanted to be Captain Kirk.
1733
01:14:36,129 --> 01:14:40,064
There's a reason why as an
almost 50-year-old grown-up
1734
01:14:40,166 --> 01:14:41,966
that I still watch the original series
1735
01:14:42,068 --> 01:14:44,201
and I still wanna be James T. Kirk.
1736
01:14:44,304 --> 01:14:45,670
He is the best captain.
1737
01:14:48,308 --> 01:14:49,540
The way he would stare down
1738
01:14:49,642 --> 01:14:52,643
100-foot tall Apollo, and with great...
1739
01:14:52,745 --> 01:14:54,946
sort of indignation.
1740
01:14:55,048 --> 01:14:57,515
"What gives you the right..." you know,
1741
01:14:57,617 --> 01:15:01,585
to a 100-foot tall god...
1742
01:15:01,688 --> 01:15:03,921
He shouted, "What gives you the right?"
1743
01:15:04,023 --> 01:15:06,090
When Apollo just could have...
1744
01:15:06,192 --> 01:15:07,992
Done that.
1745
01:15:08,094 --> 01:15:11,295
Yeah, the sort of
leadership and the fearlessness
1746
01:15:11,397 --> 01:15:14,932
and also... my first understanding
1747
01:15:15,034 --> 01:15:15,967
of what a...
1748
01:15:16,069 --> 01:15:17,468
- you lead by example.
- Yeah.
1749
01:15:17,570 --> 01:15:18,970
The captain's setting,
1750
01:15:19,072 --> 01:15:20,705
the fish stinks from the head down,
1751
01:15:20,807 --> 01:15:23,274
all of those leadership qualities
1752
01:15:23,376 --> 01:15:27,578
that hadn't been shown
to me by a family member
1753
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,146
or by anyone at school, a teacher.
1754
01:15:29,248 --> 01:15:34,185
Really, it oddly was that
leadership necessary
1755
01:15:34,287 --> 01:15:37,254
as put forth by Captain
James Tiberius Kirk.
1756
01:15:37,357 --> 01:15:39,690
I mean, I love Captain Kirk. However...
1757
01:15:39,792 --> 01:15:41,959
I have...
you know, I have to say
1758
01:15:42,061 --> 01:15:44,195
that I think my favorite
captain is Picard...
1759
01:15:44,297 --> 01:15:45,963
- Uh-huh.
- Because the thing is
1760
01:15:46,065 --> 01:15:48,165
Kirk is really only 1/3rd of a guy.
1761
01:15:48,267 --> 01:15:49,867
- Oh...
- He's only 1/3rd of a guy!
1762
01:15:49,969 --> 01:15:51,769
- Interesting.
- Picard is a nice,
1763
01:15:51,871 --> 01:15:53,170
well-rounded guy.
1764
01:15:53,272 --> 01:15:55,439
And he doesn't have to punch
anybody in the face
1765
01:15:55,541 --> 01:15:57,208
to get his point across, right?
1766
01:15:57,310 --> 01:15:58,554
- But if he has to, he can.
- Well, he can,
1767
01:15:58,578 --> 01:16:00,544
but he usually has Riker do it or Worf.
1768
01:16:00,646 --> 01:16:02,780
Yeah, he, uh...
1769
01:16:02,882 --> 01:16:04,749
You know, for me, in a lot of ways,
1770
01:16:04,851 --> 01:16:07,351
"Next Generation" was a...
1771
01:16:07,453 --> 01:16:09,420
- "Star Trek" kind of grown up.
- Yeah.
1772
01:16:09,522 --> 01:16:11,122
You know? And
that started with Picard.
1773
01:16:11,224 --> 01:16:13,290
Yeah. My answer's actually Picard too.
1774
01:16:13,393 --> 01:16:15,259
Just because I find him to be...
1775
01:16:15,361 --> 01:16:17,628
I don't think he's the
most realistic of a captain.
1776
01:16:17,730 --> 01:16:19,697
I think that Picard has so few flaws,
1777
01:16:19,799 --> 01:16:21,599
and he only really finally becomes human
1778
01:16:21,701 --> 01:16:23,901
after he's a Borg and
then turned into a human.
1779
01:16:24,003 --> 01:16:25,280
You know, he really just starts like...
1780
01:16:25,304 --> 01:16:27,338
They give him a love
story once in a while...
1781
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,806
But it just... I don't know.
1782
01:16:28,908 --> 01:16:31,509
I just love... I found
Picard to be virtuous
1783
01:16:31,611 --> 01:16:34,245
and I found Picard to be like, oh...
1784
01:16:34,347 --> 01:16:38,249
if humans could one
day turn into that guy,
1785
01:16:38,351 --> 01:16:40,551
maybe "Star Trek's" plausible.
1786
01:16:40,653 --> 01:16:42,086
But it's not gonna happen.
1787
01:16:42,188 --> 01:16:43,588
Yeah, he's a great representation
1788
01:16:43,656 --> 01:16:45,200
0 of kind of Rodenberry's vision.
- Yeah, a vision of what
1789
01:16:45,224 --> 01:16:46,468
- humanity can be.
- A captain needs to be.
1790
01:16:46,492 --> 01:16:48,125
- What a captain is.
- Exactly.
1791
01:16:48,227 --> 01:16:49,627
Yeah. Just putting every...
1792
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:51,495
He just... I don't
know. I just always...
1793
01:16:51,597 --> 01:16:53,317
And that accent. I
mean, you can't really...
1794
01:16:53,366 --> 01:16:54,910
- Well, the accent, yeah.
- Top that voice.
1795
01:16:54,934 --> 01:16:58,269
Coming up, the 50-year
legacy of "Star Trek"
1796
01:16:58,371 --> 01:16:59,637
and beyond.
1797
01:17:01,957 --> 01:17:03,891
The show is about what
it is to be human,
1798
01:17:03,993 --> 01:17:05,826
and that never goes out of style.
1799
01:17:05,928 --> 01:17:07,608
And it's the type of
stories that they tell
1800
01:17:07,663 --> 01:17:09,897
that you don't generally
get in other television shows.
1801
01:17:09,999 --> 01:17:11,865
- Yeah.
- The introspective...
1802
01:17:11,967 --> 01:17:14,201
And the basis of it is who are we...
1803
01:17:14,303 --> 01:17:15,769
who are we as human beings?
1804
01:17:15,871 --> 01:17:17,571
I think it's because
1805
01:17:17,673 --> 01:17:19,673
it's an optimistic view of the future.
1806
01:17:19,775 --> 01:17:21,375
- Hope.
- Yeah. It's hope.
1807
01:17:21,477 --> 01:17:22,910
- Yeah.
- I think that's exactly
1808
01:17:23,012 --> 01:17:24,652
what it is... it's an
optimistic portrayal
1809
01:17:24,714 --> 01:17:26,680
of what we could hopefully achieve
1810
01:17:26,782 --> 01:17:29,383
and what our society could be like
1811
01:17:29,485 --> 01:17:31,151
and that we finally accept each other
1812
01:17:31,253 --> 01:17:33,921
and we finally learn to
look past differences
1813
01:17:34,023 --> 01:17:35,489
and things like that.
1814
01:17:35,591 --> 01:17:37,691
And I think that we so desperately hope
1815
01:17:37,793 --> 01:17:39,793
that we can achieve that.
1816
01:17:39,895 --> 01:17:42,463
And it evolves, you
know, from series to series,
1817
01:17:42,565 --> 01:17:43,931
over the 50 years.
1818
01:17:44,033 --> 01:17:46,033
It may have some core values and ideas
1819
01:17:46,135 --> 01:17:47,835
and the optimism and the hope,
1820
01:17:47,937 --> 01:17:49,970
but it evolves with the times, too.
1821
01:17:50,072 --> 01:17:53,907
So it, you know, it... hopefully
the next reiteration
1822
01:17:54,009 --> 01:17:57,177
will fit our times
today much like, you know,
1823
01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:59,213
"The Next Gen" did in
the late '80s, early '90s
1824
01:17:59,315 --> 01:18:01,348
or "Deep Space Nine" and
"Voyager" in the '90s,
1825
01:18:01,450 --> 01:18:03,717
and, of course, the
original series back in the '60s.
1826
01:18:03,819 --> 01:18:05,219
But it's been able to evolve.
1827
01:18:05,321 --> 01:18:06,961
It hasn't been a static
kind of franchise.
1828
01:18:07,022 --> 01:18:08,662
That is what's great about it, for sure.
1829
01:18:10,793 --> 01:18:12,826
There's that Martin Luther King line...
1830
01:18:12,928 --> 01:18:15,963
"The arc of history bends
toward justice."
1831
01:18:16,065 --> 01:18:17,598
I think for fans of this show,
1832
01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:19,733
the arc of history bends
towards "Star Trek,"
1833
01:18:19,835 --> 01:18:22,169
that we have this hope, this belief,
1834
01:18:22,271 --> 01:18:25,205
that... things are getting better.
1835
01:18:25,307 --> 01:18:27,641
And that, yeah, we're
probably not gonna, you know,
1836
01:18:27,743 --> 01:18:29,777
run into guys with
pointed ears out there.
1837
01:18:29,879 --> 01:18:32,780
But we will find a way
1838
01:18:32,882 --> 01:18:35,249
to fix our problems
1839
01:18:35,351 --> 01:18:37,885
and move out into the universe
1840
01:18:37,987 --> 01:18:40,087
and believe in, you know, the...
1841
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:42,556
you know, the better
angels of our nature
1842
01:18:42,658 --> 01:18:45,459
and... and make the world a better place.
1843
01:18:45,561 --> 01:18:48,829
One thing about "Star
Trek" that I've said before
1844
01:18:48,931 --> 01:18:50,564
and I really believe it
1845
01:18:50,666 --> 01:18:55,135
is it was the Beatles of 1960s TV.
1846
01:18:55,237 --> 01:18:57,237
And if you had to describe the Beatles,
1847
01:18:57,339 --> 01:18:58,806
you would say it's magic.
1848
01:18:58,908 --> 01:19:00,941
And take any one of
them out of that band,
1849
01:19:01,043 --> 01:19:02,810
and it's not the Beatles.
1850
01:19:02,912 --> 01:19:05,078
Well, "Star Trek's" the same way
1851
01:19:05,181 --> 01:19:06,447
from the same period.
1852
01:19:06,549 --> 01:19:08,715
I mean, take William Shatner out.
1853
01:19:08,818 --> 01:19:10,217
Take Leonard Nimoy out.
1854
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:12,619
Take Rodenberry or Coon or Fontana out
1855
01:19:12,721 --> 01:19:15,289
or Deforest Kelley, and
you don't have it.
1856
01:19:15,391 --> 01:19:16,924
It's still gonna be good,
1857
01:19:17,026 --> 01:19:19,293
but it's not gonna be what it is,
1858
01:19:19,395 --> 01:19:22,463
and we wouldn't have what
we have now 15 years later.
1859
01:19:22,565 --> 01:19:24,932
I think there's a lot of reasons
why it endures so long.
1860
01:19:25,034 --> 01:19:27,835
You know, I think, um...
1861
01:19:27,937 --> 01:19:29,369
I think the biggest thing to me,
1862
01:19:29,472 --> 01:19:31,505
in terms of its longevity and success,
1863
01:19:31,607 --> 01:19:35,876
is that it is unique in
that its portrayal of the future,
1864
01:19:35,978 --> 01:19:38,412
the optimistic portrayal of the future,
1865
01:19:38,514 --> 01:19:40,814
does kind of stand alone in pop culture.
1866
01:19:40,916 --> 01:19:42,749
The vast majority of
science fiction pieces
1867
01:19:42,852 --> 01:19:44,452
that take place in the future, you know,
1868
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,387
show us a dystopian
future, a terrible future.
1869
01:19:47,490 --> 01:19:50,257
Here's the only real science
fiction construct
1870
01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:52,226
that I wanna go live in, you know,
1871
01:19:52,328 --> 01:19:53,660
that I want to be part of.
1872
01:19:53,762 --> 01:19:56,897
I want to join that
crew. I want to live that life.
1873
01:19:56,999 --> 01:19:59,500
I want to have those
adventures with those people.
1874
01:19:59,602 --> 01:20:03,237
"Star Trek" has something to
say about who we are as people,
1875
01:20:03,339 --> 01:20:05,405
who we aspire to be,
1876
01:20:05,508 --> 01:20:09,009
and it says that we will endure.
1877
01:20:09,111 --> 01:20:11,044
We will overcome all obstacles.
1878
01:20:11,146 --> 01:20:13,080
I think "Star Trek" will be around
1879
01:20:13,182 --> 01:20:15,082
for a long, long time
1880
01:20:15,184 --> 01:20:17,818
because it's a unique piece
of science fiction
1881
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,654
in that it's optimistic.
1882
01:20:20,756 --> 01:20:21,922
"Star Trek" is optimistic.
1883
01:20:22,024 --> 01:20:23,924
It holds out the hope
1884
01:20:24,026 --> 01:20:27,427
not that humans are gonna be
somehow perfect in the future
1885
01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:28,929
but things can get better.
1886
01:20:29,031 --> 01:20:30,631
I think "Star Trek" succeeded
1887
01:20:30,733 --> 01:20:33,600
because a number of
elements fell into place.
1888
01:20:33,702 --> 01:20:36,703
They had a great overall story.
1889
01:20:36,805 --> 01:20:41,308
They're modern-day pioneers
where no man has gone before.
1890
01:20:41,410 --> 01:20:43,277
So it could be the Wild West.
1891
01:20:43,379 --> 01:20:46,880
It's the Wild West in space,
really, led by a great captain
1892
01:20:46,982 --> 01:20:48,749
and an incredible team.
1893
01:20:48,851 --> 01:20:51,618
And I think it's gone
on for 50 years so far
1894
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,722
because it is a show
about human interest
1895
01:20:55,824 --> 01:20:59,192
and adventure and how far we will go
1896
01:20:59,295 --> 01:21:02,930
to try to learn more and
to expand our own worlds
1897
01:21:03,032 --> 01:21:04,298
and our own minds.
1898
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,233
And I think that's
something that resonates
1899
01:21:06,335 --> 01:21:07,768
with people 50 years ago,
1900
01:21:07,870 --> 01:21:10,437
and it'll resonate with
people 50 years from now.
1901
01:21:10,539 --> 01:21:14,808
And now, of course, J.J. has
taken it to a whole other place.
1902
01:21:14,910 --> 01:21:16,877
Why "Star Trek" is still relevant
1903
01:21:16,979 --> 01:21:20,147
is because of the paradigm
that Gene Rodenberry came up with,
1904
01:21:20,249 --> 01:21:22,749
the idea of unity, of humanity...
1905
01:21:22,851 --> 01:21:26,086
And other species,
actually... working together.
1906
01:21:26,188 --> 01:21:27,821
There's an optimism to it
1907
01:21:27,923 --> 01:21:30,223
that I think we've never
needed more than now.
1908
01:21:30,326 --> 01:21:32,659
Well, it starts with the
characters, you know.
1909
01:21:32,761 --> 01:21:34,161
I love the ensemble.
1910
01:21:34,263 --> 01:21:35,629
I love the idea that, you know,
1911
01:21:35,731 --> 01:21:37,091
this group of people came together
1912
01:21:37,132 --> 01:21:39,900
and through the shared
journey, they become a family.
1913
01:21:40,002 --> 01:21:42,169
The sense of family that
goes beyond blood.
1914
01:21:42,271 --> 01:21:45,105
And I also love every night
there's a sense of discovery
1915
01:21:45,207 --> 01:21:46,707
and exploration, you know,
1916
01:21:46,809 --> 01:21:49,176
and that, to me, is
the DNA of "Star Trek."
1917
01:21:49,278 --> 01:21:51,511
You know, I think "Star
Trek's" enduring appeal
1918
01:21:51,614 --> 01:21:54,581
is really because it
presents a vision of humanity
1919
01:21:54,683 --> 01:21:57,551
that is united and,
particularly in this day and age,
1920
01:21:57,653 --> 01:22:00,153
it's wonderful to have kind
of a beacon of morality
1921
01:22:00,255 --> 01:22:03,624
to see that, you know, maybe
the dystopian future
1922
01:22:03,726 --> 01:22:06,326
that you see in a lot of movies
like the "Mad Max" movies
1923
01:22:06,428 --> 01:22:09,062
and the "Blade Runner"
movies is not gonna be our future.
1924
01:22:09,164 --> 01:22:10,631
Collectivism versus separatism,
1925
01:22:10,733 --> 01:22:13,066
which is a big thing in
today's society, you know.
1926
01:22:13,168 --> 01:22:15,202
About how we're better together.
1927
01:22:15,304 --> 01:22:17,344
And that was something that
we felt obligated to do.
1928
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:18,672
This is "Star Trek."
1929
01:22:18,774 --> 01:22:20,652
"Star Trek" has always
spoken about who we are now.
1930
01:22:20,676 --> 01:22:23,343
And now it's, I guess, coming
back on another network.
1931
01:22:23,445 --> 01:22:26,013
You know I'ma try to get on
there, you know, just to see.
1932
01:22:26,115 --> 01:22:30,183
Because I try... You know,
Guinan is everywhere all the time.
1933
01:22:30,285 --> 01:22:33,186
A majority of the "Star
Trek" fans that I've met
1934
01:22:33,288 --> 01:22:34,821
are proactive
1935
01:22:34,923 --> 01:22:38,325
in making that vision of
a better future a reality.
1936
01:22:38,427 --> 01:22:41,595
The "Star Trek" fans are
the most unique people
1937
01:22:41,697 --> 01:22:43,196
you've ever met.
1938
01:22:43,298 --> 01:22:45,766
They know your character.
1939
01:22:45,868 --> 01:22:49,636
They know every
episode and what it meant
1940
01:22:49,738 --> 01:22:51,605
and how it affected them.
1941
01:22:51,707 --> 01:22:53,507
If I were given the choice
1942
01:22:53,609 --> 01:22:57,077
of any character ever
portrayed on television...
1943
01:22:57,179 --> 01:22:58,556
That I could play any
character I wanted...
1944
01:22:58,580 --> 01:23:00,080
I would choose Spock.
1945
01:23:00,182 --> 01:23:02,349
Well, people identified with us.
1946
01:23:02,451 --> 01:23:05,585
They identified with "Star Trek,"
1947
01:23:05,688 --> 01:23:08,555
they identified with the characters.
1948
01:23:08,657 --> 01:23:11,058
They were dressing in their own uniforms
1949
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,626
and their own costumes.
1950
01:23:12,728 --> 01:23:15,495
It resonated with that group of people
1951
01:23:15,597 --> 01:23:17,464
that were kids, you know,
1952
01:23:17,566 --> 01:23:19,800
and now they're young adults.
1953
01:23:19,902 --> 01:23:21,868
"Star Trek" created an umbrella
1954
01:23:21,970 --> 01:23:24,538
for everybody else.
1955
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,941
And then once we got in under the shade,
1956
01:23:28,043 --> 01:23:30,811
we then said, "Oh,
come. Come and join us."
1957
01:23:30,913 --> 01:23:33,714
That's what "Star Trek" did.
1958
01:23:33,816 --> 01:23:36,883
And that tent will continue to grow.
1959
01:23:36,985 --> 01:23:38,685
And it's now 30 years
later for our show,
1960
01:23:38,787 --> 01:23:40,087
when I'm talking to you,
1961
01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:43,757
50 years for the original
show, and, I mean,
1962
01:23:43,859 --> 01:23:46,646
it goes in waves, but people are still
1963
01:23:46,703 --> 01:23:49,176
attached to, committed to,
1964
01:23:49,288 --> 01:23:52,216
affected by, interested in
1965
01:23:52,346 --> 01:23:54,538
this thing that Gene invented,
1966
01:23:54,655 --> 01:23:56,887
and I was blessed enough to be part of.
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