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The vast
North American wilderness
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is home to evil forces
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thought only to exist
in nightmares.
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But the terrible creatures
that roam here
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are all too real.
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Some of these horrific beings
stalking the forest
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are flesh and blood.
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Others exist in a space
between this world...
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Mom, look!
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And the beyond.
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Who's there!
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I was kind of creeped out
a little bit.
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Just wondering, you know,
what was following us.
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Did it follow us back,
or did it stay there?
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Ghosts feed off of
that fear energy.
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He slowly started to grin
like the Joker on "Batman."
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I was just kind of shocked
about it.
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And when I saw it,
I immediately got scared.
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The dead may be buried,
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but that doesn't always mean
they are gone.
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A ghost or a spirit
that finds themselves trapped,
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straddling realms
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between what we call the living
and the afterlife...
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Those that intend to stay
to stay there are fine,
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and they're where
they're want to be.
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But sometimes there are ones
that are trapped,
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and they feel trapped.
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Ghosts can get dangerous.
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Michelle Lopez and her family...
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Husband Jason,
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children Chinar
and Christopher...
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Head up north to a rented cabin
for a relaxing weekend.
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The reason we took this trip
to the cabin
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was in the summer
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just to get away from the city,
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get some fresh air,
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some quiet time,
spend time with the kids.
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We actually picked the cabin
because of its remote location.
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I thought, this is perfect.
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You know, there's, like,
nobody around.
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It's very remote,
just surrounded by woods.
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But the woods can hold
terrifying secrets
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as the Lopez family
knows all too well.
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Michelle and Jason
have always had
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a deep interest
in the paranormal.
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Both contend
ghosts walk among us.
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I believe that the spirits
are here
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because some of them can't,
for some reason, pass over.
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Something's keeping them here.
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They don't understand
they're lost here.
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They don't know how to get over.
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Sometimes they just need help.
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Shortly after arriving
to the cottage,
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they decide to head off
on a paranormal adventure.
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It was a bonus to find out
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that there was a cemetery
not too far away,
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so we decided to go
and check it out.
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Maybe we shouldn't have,
but we did.
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Go over there.
I'm gonna take a picture.
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Smile.
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Not everyone is up
for the quest.
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Like her mother,
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Chinar is tuned
into the ghost world,
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but it scares her.
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Whenever there's a presence
of a spirit
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or something paranormal around,
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I can feel it.
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Like, when I'm, like,
quiet and doing my own thing,
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I can feel it.
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My daughter, she is terrified of
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anything to do
with the paranormal.
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Are you coming with us?
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No, I'm gonna stay back here.
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Are you sure?
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You never know what's out there.
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Old cemetery, old spirits.
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Exactly. No way.
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Okay, see you later.
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The family
makes its way into the woods
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and quickly realizes
they are anything but deserted.
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It was quiet,
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and I could hear footsteps.
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We thought, okay,
maybe it's just, like,
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teenagers in the bushes,
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like, messing around
or whatever, right?
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So we were, like,
"Okay, whatever."
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So we just continued to walk.
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We're walking,
and we could hear it again,
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so we stopped.
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And I told my husband,
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like, "You need to go check out
the bush over there."
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Hello!
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Is anybody there?!
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Hello!
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Hello!
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He's, like, "Hello, hello!"
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And he peeks around the bush,
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and there was, like,
absolutely nobody there.
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There's nothing.
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Are you sure?
Yeah.
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So I was, like,
"Okay, well, that's weird."
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It wasn't even windy.
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The trio carries on
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and finally arrives
at their destination.
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The cemetery
was in a wooded area.
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It was quiet.
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There was no one else around.
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But this is
no ordinary cemetery.
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They learn this burial spot
is steeped in tragedy.
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They have a plaque there
that says, you know,
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it's a mass grave
for all the cholera victims
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that died in the early 1900s.
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There was quite a few
children's headstones.
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It was just sad, you know,
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seeing all the children's
headstones there
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and realizing how they suffered
and died there.
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Those poor children.
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Once again,
Michelle, Jason, and Christopher
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get the sense
they are not alone.
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I could hear the rustling
in the bushes
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and footsteps of what sounded
like somebody behind us.
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Mom.
You okay?
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My son was, like,
hiding behind me,
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and we didn't want
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to have something happen to us
or anything, right.
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Sometimes a ghost
will manifest involuntarily
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because something about
what they're watching
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has triggered them.
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Those kinds of spirits
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usually come from
a horrible accident,
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an unexpected death,
a tragic death.
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They weren't ready to go
before their time,
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so they have ended up
in this... in this realm.
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Are you okay?
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Yeah.
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Someone's here.
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No, there's something here.
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I can feel it.
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Sometimes I can feel
certain things.
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I can't see them,
but I can feel them.
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Jason.
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So the longer that we stayed
in the graveyard,
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the energy was just so much
that it was...
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You could just feel it
growing there.
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Yeah, let's get going.
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Everyone...
My son and my husband
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were just getting to the point
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where they were starting
to really get terrified,
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so we left.
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We would hear something
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that sounded like footsteps
behind us.
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We would all stop, turn around.
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There'd be nothing there.
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My husband
was getting goose bumps.
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My son was terrified.
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We're definitely not alone.
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What are you doing?
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Don't turn around.
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Michelle is afraid
to look behind her,
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but still attempts
to find out what's there.
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We kept walking.
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I said, "There's something
behind us."
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I told my husband,
and I told my son,
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I'm, like, "Don't turn around.
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I'm gonna take my camera.
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I'm gonna put it on my shoulder,
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and I'm just gonna
snap a photo."
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I want to get out of here.
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Now that she has the photo,
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Michelle wants to leave
as fast as possible.
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And I actually
said to my husband,
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"okay, like, I think...
Okay, this is enough,"
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because I thought I was
literally gonna, like,
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just throw up everywhere.
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It is possible to suffer
a physical reaction to a spirit,
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especially if the person
has a certain sensitivity,
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is emphatic,
or high sense of empathy.
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People like that
who are particularly sensitive
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to that kind of thing
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tend to pick up on
the sorrowful, angry vibes
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that the spirit
might be producing.
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And their night of terror
is only just beginning.
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Did it follow us back,
or did it stay there?
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Mom, look!
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I didn't want it to be
something malevolent
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that could hurt any of us.
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Who's there?!
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Who's there?!
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A spirit
trapped between two realms
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can be very dangerous
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when they decide
to haunt the living.
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The phenomenon of haunting
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can affect people
on many levels,
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not only mentally, emotionally,
and spiritually,
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but also physically.
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While on vacation
in the country,
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Michelle and her family...
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Hello?!
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Investigate a cemetery
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they think is deserted.
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It's not.
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There's something here.
I can feel it.
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And now Michelle is feeling
the effects of the encounter.
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We decided finally just to get
the heck out of that place,
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out of the cemetery.
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And the whole entire time,
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I felt like
I was just gonna throw up.
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I want to get out of here.
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When we finally
got back to the cabin,
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my husband was relieved
that we were back.
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When Chinar sees her mother,
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she knows
something has happened.
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It did not feel good.
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I was extremely nauseated.
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Mom, what's wrong?
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I need to rest.
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Well, come on, come on.
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I went up to her.
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And she was, like,
"I don't know.
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I'm just gonna go lay down.
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I'm not feeling good."
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And Chinar gets
a powerful feeling
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that they have company.
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I need to lay down.
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The reason a ghost
would follow somebody home
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is to simply convey a message.
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"You've been in my territory.
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I know where you live,
and I'm invading yours.
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Don't come back here.
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This is what I can do."
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I was kind of creeped out.
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I didn't want it to be
something malevolent
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that could hurt any of us.
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Michelle's concerns about
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whether something
has followed her home
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are soon realized.
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But then everything
started up that night.
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I'm sitting there
on the computer.
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My daughter was in her room,
and my son was in bed.
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My daughter opened up her door.
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She froze.
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Mom, look!
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And she screamed, like...
She just, like...
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She points down,
and she's, like, "Look!"
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And this yellow
toy construction hat
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starts spinning, like,
really fast in circles.
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I see the hat spinning.
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Like, I was just, like, stuck,
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like, I couldn't move at all.
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Mom!
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And it went
flying down the hall.
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What's going on?
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When I grabbed the hat,
I'm checking the hat over.
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There's nothing on the hat.
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It's just a hat.
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It doesn't take batteries.
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It doesn't make sound.
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It doesn't make movement,
nothing.
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There's nothing to worry about.
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I hate it here!
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She was so scared.
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She was just so terrified,
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and I couldn't even
calm her down.
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The night continues
to get stranger.
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00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:50,279
Whatever followed them home
from the cemetery
266
00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:53,004
turns its attention
to Christopher.
267
00:13:01,648 --> 00:13:03,693
Everything's okay, Christopher.
Go back to bed.
268
00:13:03,717 --> 00:13:06,362
Someone's knocking.
269
00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:08,553
What?
Someone's knocking.
270
00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:14,370
I'm, like, "Christopher,
go back to bed.
271
00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:16,072
It's, like, 11:00."
272
00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:18,441
"No, mom,
somebody's knocking."
273
00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,025
I'm, like,
"What are you talking about?"
274
00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:32,288
There's nothing there.
275
00:13:32,312 --> 00:13:33,645
Just go back to bed.
276
00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:38,183
Can't you hear them?
They're there.
277
00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:42,120
But they don't
register with Jason.
278
00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,302
Kids are tuned very differently.
279
00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:49,205
They have the ability
to see spirits.
280
00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:51,407
They have the ability
to feel things
281
00:13:51,431 --> 00:13:52,942
that aren't there.
282
00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:55,711
They have the ability
to hear things.
283
00:13:55,735 --> 00:13:57,079
I'm, like, "Okay."
284
00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:57,980
So I stood there, and I'm, like,
285
00:13:58,004 --> 00:13:59,415
"Okay, I'm gonna wait here,
286
00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,217
and I'm gonna see
if I can hear anything."
287
00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:03,119
So I stood there.
I didn't hear a damn thing.
288
00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:05,454
Like, I don't hear anything.
289
00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:07,690
"You can't hear it?" he said.
He says to me.
290
00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:08,958
I'm, like,
"I can't hear anything."
291
00:14:08,982 --> 00:14:10,126
He's, like,
"They're knocking."
292
00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,595
Christopher insists he can hear
293
00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:14,786
someone reaching out to him.
294
00:14:16,823 --> 00:14:18,223
They want me.
295
00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,207
My husband,
he did go out the side door.
296
00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:25,808
It is very dark.
297
00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:27,343
You can't even see your hand
in front of your face
298
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:28,344
when you're outside.
299
00:14:28,368 --> 00:14:30,268
Who's there?!
300
00:14:36,109 --> 00:14:38,821
Who's there?!
301
00:14:38,845 --> 00:14:40,189
There was nothing there.
302
00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,290
It was quiet out.
303
00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:43,559
You couldn't even
hear a bird or nothing.
304
00:14:43,583 --> 00:14:44,660
It was just nighttime.
305
00:14:44,684 --> 00:14:45,717
It was pitch black.
306
00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:50,032
Who's there?!
307
00:14:50,056 --> 00:14:51,723
Jason!
308
00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:56,160
Jason can't see anything.
309
00:14:58,465 --> 00:14:59,742
Who's there?!
310
00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:01,143
But the darkness is filled
311
00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:03,846
with the laughter of children.
312
00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:05,837
Who's there?!
313
00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:11,153
The ghost of a child
could be dangerous.
314
00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:12,188
When a ghost child
315
00:15:12,212 --> 00:15:14,879
were interacting
with a living child...
316
00:15:19,853 --> 00:15:22,164
they might find something
about the living child
317
00:15:22,188 --> 00:15:23,165
that upsets them,
318
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:24,133
and they might push back.
319
00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:27,270
The night is not over yet.
320
00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,960
Mommy, mommy!
321
00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,613
The Lopez family
went to an abandoned graveyard
322
00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:39,081
to look around.
323
00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:42,718
But now, something
has followed them home.
324
00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:47,145
And is reaching out
to their son, Christopher.
325
00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,861
Ghost children
tend to be attracted
326
00:15:51,885 --> 00:15:53,095
to the children of the living
327
00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:54,130
because they can relate.
328
00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:55,898
They're more or less
the same age,
329
00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:58,234
and because the ghost children
are where they are,
330
00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:01,103
chances are they are confused
about where they are.
331
00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:03,105
They passed away prematurely.
332
00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:06,542
They're probably wondering
why no one can see them.
333
00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:09,200
But this living child can.
334
00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:26,395
Christopher is woken
from his sleep
335
00:16:26,419 --> 00:16:29,220
and compelled
to his bedroom window.
336
00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:06,769
Mommy, mommy!
337
00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:07,937
Mommy!
338
00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:09,405
Christopher.
339
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:11,129
Mommy.
340
00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:14,377
There's two boys
playing outside.
341
00:17:14,401 --> 00:17:15,411
What do you mean?
342
00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:16,479
Come back to bed.
343
00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:20,249
There's two boys
playing outside.
344
00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:21,717
"There's two boys."
345
00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:23,386
Seriously,
you need to go to sleep.
346
00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:24,542
"But I could see them!"
347
00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:33,162
What?
348
00:17:33,186 --> 00:17:34,997
He's, like,
"They have blond hair.
349
00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:36,298
There's two of them.
350
00:17:36,322 --> 00:17:38,134
They have blond hair,
and I can see their shirts.
351
00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:39,301
They're wearing white shirts,
352
00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:40,669
but I can see
through their shirts.
353
00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:42,071
Like, they're playing
with my toys."
354
00:17:42,095 --> 00:17:43,406
It started to clue in
355
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:46,142
that we probably
had brought something back.
356
00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:47,410
Maybe it was trying
to wake him up
357
00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:49,245
because he wanted to play,
you know.
358
00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:50,679
Maybe it was a child
that wanted attention.
359
00:17:50,703 --> 00:17:51,680
It was lonely.
360
00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,849
I was just hoping that
361
00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:56,541
it was nothing
that was gonna harm any of us.
362
00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,914
And I decide, "Okay,
I'm gonna get out my camera.
363
00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,616
I'm gonna check out
all the photos that I took."
364
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,119
Desperate to protect her child,
365
00:18:30,143 --> 00:18:32,688
Michelle decides to get to
the bottom of this encounter
366
00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:33,989
with the paranormal.
367
00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:36,614
And I start
going through the photos.
368
00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:43,732
One of the photos
369
00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:48,237
that I had taken
by the cholera mass grave,
370
00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:51,440
you can clearly make out
what looks like a child...
371
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,443
Blond hair,
squatted down on their knees,
372
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,601
looking down like that,
right behind the plaque.
373
00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:03,119
You could see
a little blonde-haired boy,
374
00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:04,153
and it looks like he's running.
375
00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:05,497
You can see
his arms up like that.
376
00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:07,623
Like that.
377
00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:09,258
And I was, like, "Oh, my God."
378
00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:11,427
The ghosts
of the cholera victims
379
00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:13,195
have left the mass grave
380
00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:16,165
and stalked her son to his room.
381
00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,667
But what do they want?
382
00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:20,469
They have a story to get across.
383
00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:21,971
There should be no surprise
384
00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,507
the ghosts of children
would accompany a family
385
00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:26,775
that included children
amongst their brood.
386
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,944
The spirits come from
387
00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:33,048
a horrible, unexpected,
and tragic death.
388
00:19:33,072 --> 00:19:34,049
They weren't ready to go.
389
00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:35,951
They have ended up
in this realm.
390
00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:38,053
They have kind of a foot
in both realms,
391
00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:40,923
and they're not quite sure
where they want to be
392
00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:41,947
or how to get out of it.
393
00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:46,184
Stay here.
394
00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:52,601
Michelle knows there is only
one way to deal with a ghost.
395
00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,103
You have to leave!
396
00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:55,560
Confront it.
397
00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:03,879
I'm sorry we bothered you!
398
00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:06,982
And I said, "Whoever's here,
if you followed us home,
399
00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:09,985
we apologize for bothering you
in any way if we did.
400
00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:11,387
My son is frightened of you.
401
00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:13,289
You're not welcome
in this house.
402
00:20:13,313 --> 00:20:14,323
We did not invite you here.
403
00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:15,391
You need to leave."
404
00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:19,094
You're not welcome here!
405
00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:21,030
You can't have him!
406
00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:22,097
Do you hear me?
407
00:20:22,121 --> 00:20:23,499
You have to go!
408
00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:26,135
You have to leave now!
409
00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:27,636
It's always interesting to me
410
00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:31,674
to see ghosts
or earthbound spirits
411
00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:33,042
that are children.
412
00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,812
I've seen cases
where children don't know
413
00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,681
that they're actually dead,
414
00:20:38,705 --> 00:20:39,949
or they won't cross over
415
00:20:39,973 --> 00:20:42,418
until someone says it's okay.
416
00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:44,386
Go.
417
00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:45,487
Go now.
418
00:20:45,511 --> 00:20:50,626
Find peace somewhere else.
419
00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:52,416
Go now.
420
00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:59,702
And just like that,
the experience is over,
421
00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:02,338
but it has lasting effects.
422
00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:06,041
Christopher, he was shaken up,
definitely shaken up.
423
00:21:06,065 --> 00:21:08,911
He was the only one
that could see them,
424
00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:10,746
and nobody else could see them.
425
00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,749
To this day, he always says
that he wants to go back.
426
00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:16,118
But then when it comes down
to the time and the day to go,
427
00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:18,053
he wants absolutely
nothing to do
428
00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:19,688
with actually being there.
429
00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:25,427
The Lopez family
left their ghosts behind,
430
00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:28,998
but Rocky Elmore is about
to return to a haunted mountain
431
00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:34,336
where another spirit is trapped
between this world and the next.
432
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,274
I've had people question me
to what I saw that night,
433
00:21:38,298 --> 00:21:42,244
suggesting how I hallucinated,
or I imagined things.
434
00:21:42,268 --> 00:21:43,479
I did not imagine that.
435
00:21:43,503 --> 00:21:46,137
I was fully awake,
and I know what I saw.
436
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:50,941
And it was walking
right toward me.
437
00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:02,431
Not all spirits
pass over to the other side.
438
00:22:02,455 --> 00:22:04,855
Some are trapped here on Earth.
439
00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:09,838
Ghosts feed off of
that fear energy.
440
00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,340
They feed off of depression.
441
00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:12,675
They feed off of chaos.
442
00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,044
They like that kind of energy.
443
00:22:15,068 --> 00:22:18,314
All ghosts are not bad.
444
00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,516
There are plenty of...
Of spirits
445
00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:23,218
that are good-natured.
446
00:22:23,242 --> 00:22:25,087
But there can be
what I can call...
447
00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:26,889
What you might call
evil spirits,
448
00:22:26,913 --> 00:22:28,346
I call them negative spirits.
449
00:22:30,283 --> 00:22:32,227
A ghost or a spirit
450
00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:35,931
that finds themselves trapped,
straddling realms,
451
00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:38,734
do feel a sense of torment
452
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,436
being in that state.
453
00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:45,240
And this mountainside
is full of apparitions,
454
00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:48,744
both good-natured and otherwise.
455
00:22:48,768 --> 00:22:52,047
Well, it's been claimed
by the locals
456
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:53,515
that that mountain is haunted.
457
00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:56,385
Border agent Rocky Elmore
458
00:22:56,409 --> 00:22:59,922
has had his share
of ghostly encounters,
459
00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:03,447
Such as when his partner
Luis Santiago was murdered.
460
00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:08,297
In some cases,
461
00:23:08,321 --> 00:23:09,920
a ghost returns
to where they died.
462
00:23:11,324 --> 00:23:16,394
Santiago tried to contact Rocky
from beyond the grave.
463
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:20,109
I asked myself many times,
464
00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,910
why would he be trying
465
00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:24,380
to contact me over the radio
like that?
466
00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:26,315
Was it to say goodbye?
467
00:23:26,339 --> 00:23:27,816
Was it to tell me what happened?
468
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,886
Now Rocky has a new partner
469
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,177
and another tale to tell.
470
00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:37,926
This story takes place
on top of Otay Mountain,
471
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:40,028
probably about a third of a mile
472
00:23:40,052 --> 00:23:41,964
from a place called
Doghouse Junction.
473
00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:45,300
This mountainside
has seen its share of death
474
00:23:45,324 --> 00:23:48,170
for over a century.
475
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:50,939
The area has had
several aircraft crashes...
476
00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:54,143
Medical helicopter,
World War II airplanes.
477
00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:58,981
There's just so many things
that happen up on that mountain.
478
00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,916
We find skeletal remains
up there,
479
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,986
almost on a monthly basis.
480
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:05,287
We've found dead bodies.
481
00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:07,611
There's a lot of death
and misery on that mountain.
482
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,294
Tonight,
Rocky and his partner Pat
483
00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,963
are on the hunt for a smuggler.
484
00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:17,633
Pat and I had been sent
up to the mountain.
485
00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:21,270
We were the only two
486
00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,372
anywhere near
the peak of the mountain
487
00:24:23,396 --> 00:24:24,728
in Doghouse Junction.
488
00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:38,687
There's times I've heard
what could have been screams
489
00:24:38,711 --> 00:24:39,688
up on the mountain,
490
00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:41,023
and you can't tell
if it's an animal
491
00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,047
or if it's a person.
492
00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:57,005
We didn't come up
with any footprints,
493
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:58,373
no sign for anybody.
494
00:24:58,397 --> 00:25:00,498
We didn't hear anything.
495
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,973
Hey, I don't see anything!
Do you?
496
00:25:12,211 --> 00:25:13,722
All right.
497
00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:14,823
Let's head back.
498
00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:16,158
The fog sweeping over that
499
00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:18,527
just gave it really
a horror movie...
500
00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:20,596
It would have been
a perfect setting
501
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:22,219
to film a horror movie there.
502
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,174
The nights that we were...
503
00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:35,010
That we would work in the fog,
504
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:38,347
visibility is obviously
very, very difficult.
505
00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,582
Your flashlights might
play tricks around, you know,
506
00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:42,217
shadows being cast.
507
00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:45,320
But typically,
you just can't see anything
508
00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,089
until you're
right on top of something.
509
00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:48,312
Heads up!
510
00:25:52,652 --> 00:25:53,652
It's nothing.
511
00:25:58,424 --> 00:26:00,524
We hiked
back up to our vehicles.
512
00:26:05,865 --> 00:26:07,042
Got back up there,
513
00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:08,977
and it's probably around
514
00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:12,581
3:00 or 4:00 in the morning
at that time.
515
00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,750
Pat said, he wanted to know
if it'd be okay
516
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:17,352
if he took about
a 15-minute nap,
517
00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:18,921
and I would watch for him.
518
00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:21,623
So he dozed off
for about 15 minutes,
519
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,826
and I watched everything.
520
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:27,329
You're gonna grab some Z's,
it's a good a time as any.
521
00:26:27,353 --> 00:26:29,486
His partner dozes off.
522
00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,803
And that's when Rocky
finally sees
523
00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:37,494
that they are not
the only ones on the mountain.
524
00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,878
In the distance,
525
00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:45,314
I seen this figure coming up
out of Copper Canyon,
526
00:26:45,338 --> 00:26:47,115
and it was walking right for us.
527
00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:49,985
And I quickly looked over
at my partner,
528
00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:53,143
and he was still sawing logs.
529
00:26:55,481 --> 00:26:58,727
This figure actually seemed
to be a Border Patrol agent.
530
00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:01,196
He looked like one of us
at a distance.
531
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:04,666
I thought I detected a gun belt
and things on it like that.
532
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:06,568
I thought it was
a little bit strange
533
00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:08,704
because no one else
was assigned up there.
534
00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:11,261
Patrol, is anyone else
out here with us?
535
00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,678
Lots of times, you'll go into
what we would call a dead zone
536
00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:19,414
where our radio communications
wouldn't work.
537
00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:21,149
So we'd be literally on our own.
538
00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:24,186
What exactly is Rocky chasing?
539
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:25,487
We couldn't call out for help
540
00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:28,545
if something went down,
if something went bad.
541
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,863
The biggest danger with the fog
for a Border Patrol agent
542
00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:36,665
is that, as he's walking around,
543
00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,000
he'll get lost
544
00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:39,868
because he can't
find his trails as easy.
545
00:27:39,892 --> 00:27:43,327
He can't find
the landmarks as easy.
546
00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:52,914
I'm starting to think that,
547
00:27:52,938 --> 00:27:55,150
well, I probably should have
woke my partner up.
548
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,319
Obviously,
this is a little bit more
549
00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:58,587
than what I thought it was.
550
00:27:58,611 --> 00:28:01,323
The question is,
551
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:03,981
who or what is Rocky chasing?
552
00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:09,798
I got close enough
to see his actual face.
553
00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:11,855
I thought he was about
to speak to me.
554
00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:21,176
Border Patrol agent Rocky Elmore
555
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,146
has seen someone
in the thick mountain fog.
556
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:27,504
Is it a man or something else?
557
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:31,186
The idea of spirits
scares people,
558
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:36,158
so right off the bat,
we're emitting fear.
559
00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,493
We're emitting that energy.
560
00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:39,995
And unfortunately,
561
00:28:40,019 --> 00:28:42,364
that's kind of
the worst thing we can do
562
00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,099
if there is spirit activity
563
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,568
because that's what
they feed off of.
564
00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:51,173
Rocky is lured up the trail away
from his partner.
565
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,942
Finally, he gets a good look
at his target.
566
00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:55,677
And as he got
a little bit closer,
567
00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:59,981
it actually started to take
the form of like a military,
568
00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:02,217
maybe in a jumpsuit,
569
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,786
some kind of utility belt
or something.
570
00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:07,556
Rocky is face-to-face
with a man in uniform
571
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:11,426
who seems eerily out of place
on the mountain.
572
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:13,361
I thought, "well, I guess
it would be possible
573
00:29:13,385 --> 00:29:15,330
that there could have been
a plane crash,
574
00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:17,933
and nobody knew about it,
and he survived it."
575
00:29:17,957 --> 00:29:20,535
But something's not right.
576
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,238
As he come towards me,
he was walking totally silent.
577
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:24,639
I did not hear footsteps.
578
00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:26,475
Considering the terrain,
579
00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:28,543
I should have heard
the footsteps.
580
00:29:28,567 --> 00:29:32,180
When he got close enough
to see his actual face,
581
00:29:32,204 --> 00:29:33,648
there was nothing
unusual about it
582
00:29:33,672 --> 00:29:37,307
to give me any kind of clue of
what was about to happen.
583
00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:40,489
Aah!
584
00:29:40,513 --> 00:29:42,891
Ghosts tend to want to play with
585
00:29:42,915 --> 00:29:45,026
these strangers that have
entered their world,
586
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,361
entered their home,
587
00:29:46,385 --> 00:29:48,663
and have a bit of fun.
588
00:29:48,687 --> 00:29:51,967
When he started to smile,
I also started to speak to him.
589
00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:54,091
I thought he was about
to speak to me.
590
00:29:58,531 --> 00:30:02,244
But within just a split second
of the smile starting,
591
00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:03,879
it went much wider,
592
00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:07,783
kind of
this ghoulish-type grin at me.
593
00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,851
It was kind of like the Joker
on "Batman."
594
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,942
That smile went way wide.
595
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:18,615
Very, very shortly after that,
his face began to glow.
596
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,030
I don't know
if my brain was able
597
00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:25,689
to catch up quickly enough
with what was happening.
598
00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:29,893
And then he accelerated
and vanished.
599
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,443
The apparition is gone.
600
00:30:35,467 --> 00:30:36,945
The grin he gave me
601
00:30:36,969 --> 00:30:38,780
was like he was pulling
a practical joke on me.
602
00:30:38,804 --> 00:30:40,582
"Gotcha. You thought
I was a real person,
603
00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:42,239
and I'm only a spirit."
604
00:30:45,578 --> 00:30:47,055
A ghost has its egos.
605
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,324
A ghost has its attitudes,
606
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,127
its addictions,
its sense of humor.
607
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:55,297
It still maintains
everything that it had
608
00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:56,653
when it was a human being.
609
00:30:58,090 --> 00:31:00,135
I don't know
what I thought at the time
610
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,236
or what I was feeling.
611
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:03,038
I did what we always do.
612
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,006
We get out the flashlight
613
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,064
and start looking for footprints
on the ground.
614
00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:10,267
I looked all around.
615
00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:13,704
But there were no footprints
for him.
616
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:20,689
And when I realized
what had really happened
617
00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:22,257
and the significance of it,
618
00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:23,825
fear started to sweep over me.
619
00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:26,228
Come to the conclusion
it was a spirit.
620
00:31:26,252 --> 00:31:31,166
Rocky's partner slept through
the whole ghostly encounter.
621
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:32,200
To this day,
622
00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:33,535
I've never told him
what happened.
623
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,437
You just don't talk
about paranormal stuff
624
00:31:35,461 --> 00:31:36,738
in law enforcement.
625
00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:39,207
He doesn't know
what the phantom soldier
626
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,610
wanted from him, who he was,
627
00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:44,434
or how long he has been
trapped on that mountain.
628
00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,718
But it's possible
he died decades ago
629
00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:53,121
when a plane crashed
during World War II.
630
00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:56,424
In the case of a spirit
who finds themselves trapped,
631
00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:58,026
my feeling is that
632
00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:59,361
they would work on a plan
633
00:31:59,385 --> 00:32:01,796
to communicate with somebody
among the living,
634
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,298
bring attention to themselves.
635
00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,901
"I'm here,
please listen to me."
636
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,169
Rocky didn't choose to seek out
637
00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:10,772
the spirit
trapped between two realms.
638
00:32:10,796 --> 00:32:12,774
It came to him.
639
00:32:12,798 --> 00:32:15,610
But Daniel Cumerlato
has been fascinated
640
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:16,711
by earthbound souls
641
00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:18,980
since he was a child
642
00:32:19,004 --> 00:32:22,617
and has always wanted
to reach out to them.
643
00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:24,886
As a kid,
I always loved ghost stories.
644
00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:27,255
You got to believe
that there's something,
645
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,624
the idea that energy exists,
646
00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:31,192
So if you believe in energy,
647
00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,128
you should be able
to believe in ghosts.
648
00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:38,333
His interest in the paranormal
follows him into adulthood.
649
00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:40,769
One night,
we were a little bit bored,
650
00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:42,404
me and my wife at the time.
651
00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:44,806
So we decided to use
a Ouija board.
652
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,675
All the best stories
start with a Ouija board.
653
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:49,544
The Ouija board has been given
a very bad rap over the years
654
00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:53,648
because most experiences
of people using it
655
00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:55,038
turn out to be negative ones.
656
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:59,220
I had set up this little
microcassette recorder
657
00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,289
in the corner of the table.
658
00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,224
And we were doing the session,
659
00:33:03,248 --> 00:33:04,526
and I asked one question...
660
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,883
Spirit, are you there?
661
00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:10,587
And it slowly
went up to "yes."
662
00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:16,004
Now, afterwards,
we listened to the microphone,
663
00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:17,339
and after I asked that question,
664
00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:19,574
you could hear in the microphone
another voice.
665
00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:20,508
It wasn't mine.
666
00:33:20,532 --> 00:33:21,943
It wasn't my wife.
667
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:24,579
It was another guy right up
against the microphone say...
668
00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:25,769
Yes.
669
00:33:29,108 --> 00:33:31,219
That one eerie incident
670
00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,888
sparks a lifetime of obsession
671
00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:36,691
and sends Daniel
on a terrifying journey.
672
00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:38,393
It's the one and only time
673
00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:40,484
that I saw something
hat I couldn't explain.
674
00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:54,876
Ghosts haunt the land.
675
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,734
Unable or unwilling to leave.
676
00:33:59,071 --> 00:34:03,418
Sometimes it's impossible
to know what they want.
677
00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:06,376
And other times,
it's terrifyingly clear.
678
00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:14,596
There's all sorts of different
types of attachment for spirit.
679
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:18,566
I've seen spirits
that are connected to land
680
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:21,403
because they're just
very attached to it.
681
00:34:21,427 --> 00:34:24,506
I don't believe that ghosts
stay in our realm for no reason.
682
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:25,840
I'm safe here,
683
00:34:25,864 --> 00:34:29,878
so I'm not gonna risk
going to purgatory or hell
684
00:34:29,902 --> 00:34:31,046
if I'm safe here.
685
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:35,550
But they choose to remain
straddling the realm
686
00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:36,785
of what we call the living
687
00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:38,486
and the afterlife.
688
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:42,891
Not only is Daniel Cumerlato
fascinated by the spirit world,
689
00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:45,660
he gives tours into it,
690
00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:49,164
inviting people to join in
as he explores haunted buildings
691
00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:53,768
around his home
in Ontario, Canada.
692
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:57,205
A decrepit old mansion
known as the Hermitage
693
00:34:57,229 --> 00:34:59,541
is one of the most popular.
694
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:01,709
What remains was built
in the 1850s
695
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,378
by the Leith family.
696
00:35:03,402 --> 00:35:05,246
And out of all the locations
I've gone to,
697
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:10,085
it seems to have the most dark
or negative energy
698
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:11,641
that surrounds it.
699
00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:16,191
The mansion
was destroyed by fire,
700
00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:18,126
and the only living descendant
701
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,929
was forced out into the streets.
702
00:35:20,953 --> 00:35:23,131
So she couldn't afford
to fix up her family's home,
703
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:24,799
but she also
didn't want to leave it.
704
00:35:24,823 --> 00:35:28,303
So she actually lived in a tent
outside of the ruins,
705
00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,105
just her
and her little crippled dog
706
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:31,406
until the day she died.
707
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:35,510
Another woman
also met a tragic end here
708
00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,913
when her lover hung himself
in the mansion's carriage house.
709
00:35:38,937 --> 00:35:41,983
She died of heartache
shortly after.
710
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:44,752
She was obviously
crushed and broken,
711
00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:48,323
and that energy still remains,
especially at night.
712
00:35:48,347 --> 00:35:51,759
The spirits of both these women
haunt the grounds,
713
00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:55,497
united together in anguish.
714
00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:58,933
We're often asked
how dangerous ghosts can get,
715
00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:01,402
and what kind of harm
they can inflict when upset.
716
00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:02,804
A lot of this depends on
717
00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:05,406
the degree of emotion
that they...
718
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:06,474
That they feel.
719
00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:09,277
The lure of haunted ruins
720
00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:11,312
is impossible
for some to resist,
721
00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:15,817
which is why thrill seekers
flock to Daniel's tours.
722
00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:18,186
The only way to describe it
is negative.
723
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:22,857
That dread or foreboding
that kind of surrounds the area.
724
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,426
I hope we don't have
too many nightmares, you know,
725
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:27,529
nothing too scary.
726
00:36:27,553 --> 00:36:30,398
So on that evening
in the year 2006,
727
00:36:30,422 --> 00:36:31,666
I had a group.
728
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:32,700
Thanks very much.
729
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:33,835
Hope you guys enjoyed the tour.
730
00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:34,969
Time to go home.
731
00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:36,971
I tell you,
most of it was pretty calm.
732
00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:40,542
It was kind of like luring me
into a false sense of security.
733
00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:43,845
Come on, you guys!
Time to go!
734
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:45,113
I noticed two people.
735
00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:46,347
I didn't think anything of it.
736
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:49,017
I just assumed
they were part of the group,
737
00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:50,318
and I called out to them.
738
00:36:50,342 --> 00:36:52,587
I said, "It's time to go.
Please follow me."
739
00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:54,211
And they ignored me.
740
00:36:56,615 --> 00:36:58,226
And when I called out
the second time,
741
00:36:58,250 --> 00:37:00,528
it was kind of like
they turned a bit,
742
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:02,852
and they walked
right into the woods.
743
00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:08,469
It gets darker and darker
744
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:09,837
as you're heading
into the woods.
745
00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:11,139
The area they walked into,
746
00:37:11,163 --> 00:37:13,007
I was afraid
they could hurt themselves.
747
00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:14,142
They might trip and fall.
748
00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:16,533
So I started running.
749
00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:21,783
And two seconds behind them,
750
00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:24,352
I shine a flashlight
into those dark woods,
751
00:37:24,376 --> 00:37:25,653
and there's no one there.
752
00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:28,089
There's no way that I wouldn't
have heard them run away
753
00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:29,390
or seen them try to run away
754
00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:32,360
if they were playing
some kind of weird joke on me.
755
00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:33,683
Hey!
756
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:41,336
It was almost like they just
vanished into thin air.
757
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,971
I'm thinking I'm starting
to go a little bit crazy
758
00:37:42,995 --> 00:37:44,127
at this point.
759
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,979
It obviously changed
from being a little bit peeved
760
00:37:51,003 --> 00:37:52,836
to being
a little bit frightened.
761
00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:01,489
I felt a little bit confused
the whole time
762
00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:04,325
as my brain kind of processes
through the different levels.
763
00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:07,061
Could they have
silently snuck away
764
00:38:07,085 --> 00:38:08,796
in the time that I came over?
765
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:10,398
Could they have
run off silently?
766
00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,500
And as I'm checking off
all the boxes...
767
00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,569
Impossible, impossible,
impossible.
768
00:38:14,593 --> 00:38:16,337
Hey!
769
00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:18,106
Come on, you guys!
770
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:21,209
Come on!
771
00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:22,644
So I ran after them.
772
00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:24,245
And when I caught up,
when I saw it,
773
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:25,468
I immediately got scared.
774
00:38:29,308 --> 00:38:30,507
Hey, let's go!
Come on!
775
00:38:39,885 --> 00:38:42,830
I kind of remember
the shapes wearing dresses,
776
00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:45,099
so it kind of billowed out
a little bit at the bottom.
777
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,236
They were the same height,
the same shape.
778
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:49,804
Really only way to describe it
779
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,961
as if they were
mirror images of each other.
780
00:38:53,899 --> 00:38:55,476
Daniel wonders,
781
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,512
are these the spirits
of the two women
782
00:38:57,536 --> 00:38:59,781
who died on this land?
783
00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:01,115
I called out to them.
784
00:39:01,139 --> 00:39:02,216
They had turned.
785
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,307
They had walked
into those dark woods.
786
00:39:22,627 --> 00:39:24,072
I'm not sure if the energies
787
00:39:24,096 --> 00:39:25,962
were trying to draw me
into the woods.
788
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,468
He fights an overwhelming urge
to follow the apparitions.
789
00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:41,745
They disappeared
into that darkness.
790
00:39:44,082 --> 00:39:46,394
It's almost like
they were merging with it.
791
00:39:46,418 --> 00:39:47,795
Then it dawns on me,
792
00:39:47,819 --> 00:39:49,953
I just had a ghostly experience.
793
00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:54,424
That's when I took off.
794
00:39:56,795 --> 00:39:58,106
Funny thing is,
I didn't tell anybody
795
00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:00,108
about that experience
the night of
796
00:40:00,132 --> 00:40:02,098
because I wanted
to go over it in my head.
797
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:07,215
Daniel doesn't know
798
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,051
why the spirits
enticed him to follow
799
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,353
or what horrors
they might have visited on him
800
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,222
if he had.
801
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:16,023
And he can't help but wonder
802
00:40:16,047 --> 00:40:17,658
if they will come back for him
803
00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:19,983
and what
their intentions might be.
804
00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:23,431
Every single tour
that I lead there,
805
00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:25,533
it crosses the back of my mind,
806
00:40:25,557 --> 00:40:27,635
especially when a night
comes closer on,
807
00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:28,836
the night of a full moon.
808
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,172
But it hasn't happened.
809
00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:33,641
Spirits who are trapped
between two realms
810
00:40:33,665 --> 00:40:34,909
can be dangerous
811
00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,100
as the Lopez family found out.
812
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:40,515
They are still haunted
by the memory
813
00:40:40,539 --> 00:40:43,339
of the ghostly children
that came for their son.
814
00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:49,290
If people don't believe me
and tell me I'm crazy,
815
00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:50,591
I just tell them that
816
00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,760
wait until something like this
happens to you,
817
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:55,763
and then you'll really say
"You're not crazy."
818
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:59,934
Rocky is likewise
still shaken by his experience,
819
00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:03,026
but won't let it
get the better of him.
820
00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:10,578
We just deal so much
with blocking our emotions,
821
00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:12,313
to keep fear from getting in,
822
00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:14,916
because it's scary out there.
823
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,918
And if you let fear get in
even a little bit,
824
00:41:16,942 --> 00:41:18,920
you won't get out of your truck.
825
00:41:18,944 --> 00:41:21,689
So you spend a lot of time
trying to block your emotions
826
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,046
and keep fear at bay.
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