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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:03,280 The vast North American wilderness 2 00:00:03,304 --> 00:00:04,915 is home to evil forces 3 00:00:04,939 --> 00:00:07,918 thought only to exist in nightmares. 4 00:00:07,942 --> 00:00:10,253 But the terrible creatures that roam here 5 00:00:10,277 --> 00:00:12,389 are all too real. 6 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,258 Some of these horrific beings stalking the forest 7 00:00:15,282 --> 00:00:16,860 are flesh and blood. 8 00:00:16,884 --> 00:00:19,763 Others exist in a space between this world... 9 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:21,398 Mom, look! 10 00:00:21,422 --> 00:00:22,666 And the beyond. 11 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:24,067 Who's there! 12 00:00:24,091 --> 00:00:26,370 I was kind of creeped out a little bit. 13 00:00:26,394 --> 00:00:28,939 Just wondering, you know, what was following us. 14 00:00:28,963 --> 00:00:31,697 Did it follow us back, or did it stay there? 15 00:00:33,434 --> 00:00:36,580 Ghosts feed off of that fear energy. 16 00:00:36,604 --> 00:00:40,039 He slowly started to grin like the Joker on "Batman." 17 00:00:41,042 --> 00:00:42,686 I was just kind of shocked about it. 18 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:44,430 And when I saw it, I immediately got scared. 19 00:00:54,355 --> 00:00:56,533 The dead may be buried, 20 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:59,770 but that doesn't always mean they are gone. 21 00:00:59,794 --> 00:01:04,374 A ghost or a spirit that finds themselves trapped, 22 00:01:04,398 --> 00:01:05,709 straddling realms 23 00:01:05,733 --> 00:01:08,812 between what we call the living and the afterlife... 24 00:01:08,836 --> 00:01:11,081 Those that intend to stay to stay there are fine, 25 00:01:11,105 --> 00:01:12,916 and they're where they're want to be. 26 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:15,719 But sometimes there are ones that are trapped, 27 00:01:15,743 --> 00:01:17,020 and they feel trapped. 28 00:01:17,044 --> 00:01:19,445 Ghosts can get dangerous. 29 00:01:22,216 --> 00:01:24,094 Michelle Lopez and her family... 30 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:25,128 Husband Jason, 31 00:01:25,152 --> 00:01:26,863 children Chinar and Christopher... 32 00:01:26,887 --> 00:01:30,856 Head up north to a rented cabin for a relaxing weekend. 33 00:01:33,327 --> 00:01:36,106 The reason we took this trip to the cabin 34 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:37,107 was in the summer 35 00:01:37,131 --> 00:01:38,308 just to get away from the city, 36 00:01:38,332 --> 00:01:39,342 get some fresh air, 37 00:01:39,366 --> 00:01:42,534 some quiet time, spend time with the kids. 38 00:01:45,106 --> 00:01:48,118 We actually picked the cabin because of its remote location. 39 00:01:48,142 --> 00:01:49,586 I thought, this is perfect. 40 00:01:49,610 --> 00:01:50,921 You know, there's, like, nobody around. 41 00:01:50,945 --> 00:01:52,856 It's very remote, just surrounded by woods. 42 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,393 But the woods can hold terrifying secrets 43 00:01:56,417 --> 00:01:59,318 as the Lopez family knows all too well. 44 00:02:00,588 --> 00:02:02,332 Michelle and Jason have always had 45 00:02:02,356 --> 00:02:05,602 a deep interest in the paranormal. 46 00:02:05,626 --> 00:02:09,406 Both contend ghosts walk among us. 47 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:11,341 I believe that the spirits are here 48 00:02:11,365 --> 00:02:15,879 because some of them can't, for some reason, pass over. 49 00:02:15,903 --> 00:02:17,948 Something's keeping them here. 50 00:02:17,972 --> 00:02:20,417 They don't understand they're lost here. 51 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:21,618 They don't know how to get over. 52 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:23,386 Sometimes they just need help. 53 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:25,889 Shortly after arriving to the cottage, 54 00:02:25,913 --> 00:02:29,159 they decide to head off on a paranormal adventure. 55 00:02:29,183 --> 00:02:30,494 It was a bonus to find out 56 00:02:30,518 --> 00:02:32,596 that there was a cemetery not too far away, 57 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:35,499 so we decided to go and check it out. 58 00:02:35,523 --> 00:02:37,990 Maybe we shouldn't have, but we did. 59 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:49,101 Go over there. I'm gonna take a picture. 60 00:02:52,606 --> 00:02:53,783 Smile. 61 00:02:53,807 --> 00:02:56,019 Not everyone is up for the quest. 62 00:02:56,043 --> 00:02:57,120 Like her mother, 63 00:02:57,144 --> 00:02:59,523 Chinar is tuned into the ghost world, 64 00:02:59,547 --> 00:03:02,092 but it scares her. 65 00:03:02,116 --> 00:03:05,095 Whenever there's a presence of a spirit 66 00:03:05,119 --> 00:03:07,364 or something paranormal around, 67 00:03:07,388 --> 00:03:08,832 I can feel it. 68 00:03:08,856 --> 00:03:11,368 Like, when I'm, like, quiet and doing my own thing, 69 00:03:11,392 --> 00:03:12,569 I can feel it. 70 00:03:12,593 --> 00:03:15,205 My daughter, she is terrified of 71 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:17,307 anything to do with the paranormal. 72 00:03:17,331 --> 00:03:19,743 Are you coming with us? 73 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:20,911 No, I'm gonna stay back here. 74 00:03:20,935 --> 00:03:22,045 Are you sure? 75 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:23,613 You never know what's out there. 76 00:03:23,637 --> 00:03:25,749 Old cemetery, old spirits. 77 00:03:25,773 --> 00:03:28,185 Exactly. No way. 78 00:03:28,209 --> 00:03:29,908 Okay, see you later. 79 00:03:38,352 --> 00:03:40,497 The family makes its way into the woods 80 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:44,256 and quickly realizes they are anything but deserted. 81 00:03:57,671 --> 00:03:59,049 It was quiet, 82 00:03:59,073 --> 00:04:01,785 and I could hear footsteps. 83 00:04:01,809 --> 00:04:03,320 We thought, okay, maybe it's just, like, 84 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:04,588 teenagers in the bushes, 85 00:04:04,612 --> 00:04:06,089 like, messing around or whatever, right? 86 00:04:06,113 --> 00:04:07,324 So we were, like, "Okay, whatever." 87 00:04:07,348 --> 00:04:08,647 So we just continued to walk. 88 00:04:22,496 --> 00:04:23,907 We're walking, and we could hear it again, 89 00:04:23,931 --> 00:04:25,475 so we stopped. 90 00:04:25,499 --> 00:04:26,843 And I told my husband, 91 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:28,947 like, "You need to go check out the bush over there." 92 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:33,450 Hello! 93 00:04:33,474 --> 00:04:35,073 Is anybody there?! 94 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:41,647 Hello! 95 00:04:44,685 --> 00:04:45,695 Hello! 96 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:47,530 He's, like, "Hello, hello!" 97 00:04:47,554 --> 00:04:48,865 And he peeks around the bush, 98 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:50,649 and there was, like, absolutely nobody there. 99 00:04:52,593 --> 00:04:53,536 There's nothing. 100 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,794 Are you sure? Yeah. 101 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:58,842 So I was, like, "Okay, well, that's weird." 102 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:00,565 It wasn't even windy. 103 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:05,715 The trio carries on 104 00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:08,573 and finally arrives at their destination. 105 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:15,292 The cemetery was in a wooded area. 106 00:05:15,316 --> 00:05:16,159 It was quiet. 107 00:05:16,183 --> 00:05:19,195 There was no one else around. 108 00:05:19,219 --> 00:05:21,931 But this is no ordinary cemetery. 109 00:05:21,955 --> 00:05:26,536 They learn this burial spot is steeped in tragedy. 110 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,738 They have a plaque there that says, you know, 111 00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:30,940 it's a mass grave for all the cholera victims 112 00:05:30,964 --> 00:05:32,497 that died in the early 1900s. 113 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:38,948 There was quite a few children's headstones. 114 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:40,116 It was just sad, you know, 115 00:05:40,140 --> 00:05:42,052 seeing all the children's headstones there 116 00:05:42,076 --> 00:05:45,444 and realizing how they suffered and died there. 117 00:05:47,114 --> 00:05:48,680 Those poor children. 118 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:09,312 Once again, Michelle, Jason, and Christopher 119 00:06:09,336 --> 00:06:11,803 get the sense they are not alone. 120 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:21,057 I could hear the rustling in the bushes 121 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,982 and footsteps of what sounded like somebody behind us. 122 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,169 Mom. You okay? 123 00:06:33,193 --> 00:06:35,271 My son was, like, hiding behind me, 124 00:06:35,295 --> 00:06:37,140 and we didn't want 125 00:06:37,164 --> 00:06:39,175 to have something happen to us or anything, right. 126 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:43,613 Sometimes a ghost will manifest involuntarily 127 00:06:43,637 --> 00:06:45,682 because something about what they're watching 128 00:06:45,706 --> 00:06:47,350 has triggered them. 129 00:06:47,374 --> 00:06:48,752 Those kinds of spirits 130 00:06:48,776 --> 00:06:52,222 usually come from a horrible accident, 131 00:06:52,246 --> 00:06:54,791 an unexpected death, a tragic death. 132 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:57,026 They weren't ready to go before their time, 133 00:06:57,050 --> 00:07:00,964 so they have ended up in this... in this realm. 134 00:07:00,988 --> 00:07:02,098 Are you okay? 135 00:07:02,122 --> 00:07:04,300 Yeah. 136 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:06,169 Someone's here. 137 00:07:06,193 --> 00:07:08,037 No, there's something here. 138 00:07:08,061 --> 00:07:09,661 I can feel it. 139 00:07:10,798 --> 00:07:12,609 Sometimes I can feel certain things. 140 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,544 I can't see them, but I can feel them. 141 00:07:14,568 --> 00:07:16,012 Jason. 142 00:07:16,036 --> 00:07:18,515 So the longer that we stayed in the graveyard, 143 00:07:18,539 --> 00:07:21,418 the energy was just so much that it was... 144 00:07:21,442 --> 00:07:22,719 You could just feel it growing there. 145 00:07:22,743 --> 00:07:24,042 Yeah, let's get going. 146 00:07:27,047 --> 00:07:28,658 Everyone... My son and my husband 147 00:07:28,682 --> 00:07:30,260 were just getting to the point 148 00:07:30,284 --> 00:07:31,528 where they were starting to really get terrified, 149 00:07:31,552 --> 00:07:32,552 so we left. 150 00:07:35,489 --> 00:07:36,566 We would hear something 151 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:37,767 that sounded like footsteps behind us. 152 00:07:37,791 --> 00:07:39,369 We would all stop, turn around. 153 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:41,059 There'd be nothing there. 154 00:07:43,931 --> 00:07:45,375 My husband was getting goose bumps. 155 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:46,431 My son was terrified. 156 00:07:54,274 --> 00:07:57,175 We're definitely not alone. 157 00:08:03,484 --> 00:08:04,861 What are you doing? 158 00:08:04,885 --> 00:08:06,229 Don't turn around. 159 00:08:06,253 --> 00:08:08,298 Michelle is afraid to look behind her, 160 00:08:08,322 --> 00:08:11,256 but still attempts to find out what's there. 161 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,237 We kept walking. 162 00:08:14,261 --> 00:08:15,939 I said, "There's something behind us." 163 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:17,574 I told my husband, and I told my son, 164 00:08:17,598 --> 00:08:18,942 I'm, like, "Don't turn around. 165 00:08:18,966 --> 00:08:19,876 I'm gonna take my camera. 166 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:20,977 I'm gonna put it on my shoulder, 167 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:22,278 and I'm just gonna snap a photo." 168 00:08:22,302 --> 00:08:23,847 I want to get out of here. 169 00:08:23,871 --> 00:08:26,216 Now that she has the photo, 170 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,952 Michelle wants to leave as fast as possible. 171 00:08:28,976 --> 00:08:31,221 And I actually said to my husband, 172 00:08:31,245 --> 00:08:33,256 "okay, like, I think... Okay, this is enough," 173 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,591 because I thought I was literally gonna, like, 174 00:08:34,615 --> 00:08:36,848 just throw up everywhere. 175 00:08:38,585 --> 00:08:42,632 It is possible to suffer a physical reaction to a spirit, 176 00:08:42,656 --> 00:08:45,969 especially if the person has a certain sensitivity, 177 00:08:45,993 --> 00:08:50,206 is emphatic, or high sense of empathy. 178 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:52,208 People like that who are particularly sensitive 179 00:08:52,232 --> 00:08:53,409 to that kind of thing 180 00:08:53,433 --> 00:08:57,614 tend to pick up on the sorrowful, angry vibes 181 00:08:57,638 --> 00:09:01,284 that the spirit might be producing. 182 00:09:01,308 --> 00:09:04,843 And their night of terror is only just beginning. 183 00:09:09,249 --> 00:09:12,428 Did it follow us back, or did it stay there? 184 00:09:12,452 --> 00:09:13,652 Mom, look! 185 00:09:14,354 --> 00:09:16,199 I didn't want it to be something malevolent 186 00:09:16,223 --> 00:09:17,422 that could hurt any of us. 187 00:09:19,259 --> 00:09:20,259 Who's there?! 188 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:22,294 Who's there?! 189 00:09:26,099 --> 00:09:28,912 A spirit trapped between two realms 190 00:09:28,936 --> 00:09:30,313 can be very dangerous 191 00:09:30,337 --> 00:09:32,582 when they decide to haunt the living. 192 00:09:32,606 --> 00:09:33,983 The phenomenon of haunting 193 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:36,519 can affect people on many levels, 194 00:09:36,543 --> 00:09:40,056 not only mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, 195 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,791 but also physically. 196 00:09:41,815 --> 00:09:44,327 While on vacation in the country, 197 00:09:44,351 --> 00:09:45,884 Michelle and her family... 198 00:09:47,554 --> 00:09:48,431 Hello?! 199 00:09:48,455 --> 00:09:50,066 Investigate a cemetery 200 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:51,556 they think is deserted. 201 00:09:52,693 --> 00:09:53,803 It's not. 202 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:56,172 There's something here. I can feel it. 203 00:09:56,196 --> 00:09:59,876 And now Michelle is feeling the effects of the encounter. 204 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:03,613 We decided finally just to get the heck out of that place, 205 00:10:03,637 --> 00:10:04,447 out of the cemetery. 206 00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:05,548 And the whole entire time, 207 00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:07,283 I felt like I was just gonna throw up. 208 00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:08,740 I want to get out of here. 209 00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:18,861 When we finally got back to the cabin, 210 00:10:18,885 --> 00:10:21,664 my husband was relieved that we were back. 211 00:10:21,688 --> 00:10:24,167 When Chinar sees her mother, 212 00:10:24,191 --> 00:10:26,769 she knows something has happened. 213 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:28,137 It did not feel good. 214 00:10:28,161 --> 00:10:30,295 I was extremely nauseated. 215 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:34,744 Mom, what's wrong? 216 00:10:34,768 --> 00:10:37,046 I need to rest. 217 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,348 Well, come on, come on. 218 00:10:38,372 --> 00:10:39,349 I went up to her. 219 00:10:39,373 --> 00:10:42,085 And she was, like, "I don't know. 220 00:10:42,109 --> 00:10:43,419 I'm just gonna go lay down. 221 00:10:43,443 --> 00:10:45,154 I'm not feeling good." 222 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:47,190 And Chinar gets a powerful feeling 223 00:10:47,214 --> 00:10:48,891 that they have company. 224 00:10:48,915 --> 00:10:50,560 I need to lay down. 225 00:10:50,584 --> 00:10:52,829 The reason a ghost would follow somebody home 226 00:10:52,853 --> 00:10:55,531 is to simply convey a message. 227 00:10:55,555 --> 00:10:58,401 "You've been in my territory. 228 00:10:58,425 --> 00:11:01,004 I know where you live, and I'm invading yours. 229 00:11:01,028 --> 00:11:02,271 Don't come back here. 230 00:11:02,295 --> 00:11:03,662 This is what I can do." 231 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:07,610 I was kind of creeped out. 232 00:11:07,634 --> 00:11:09,946 I didn't want it to be something malevolent 233 00:11:09,970 --> 00:11:11,514 that could hurt any of us. 234 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:12,949 Michelle's concerns about 235 00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:15,084 whether something has followed her home 236 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:16,374 are soon realized. 237 00:11:19,446 --> 00:11:22,592 But then everything started up that night. 238 00:11:22,616 --> 00:11:25,762 I'm sitting there on the computer. 239 00:11:25,786 --> 00:11:29,454 My daughter was in her room, and my son was in bed. 240 00:11:38,265 --> 00:11:40,576 My daughter opened up her door. 241 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:41,944 She froze. 242 00:11:41,968 --> 00:11:43,579 Mom, look! 243 00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:45,281 And she screamed, like... She just, like... 244 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:48,084 She points down, and she's, like, "Look!" 245 00:11:48,108 --> 00:11:49,886 And this yellow toy construction hat 246 00:11:49,910 --> 00:11:52,755 starts spinning, like, really fast in circles. 247 00:11:52,779 --> 00:11:54,190 I see the hat spinning. 248 00:11:54,214 --> 00:11:55,725 Like, I was just, like, stuck, 249 00:11:55,749 --> 00:11:57,282 like, I couldn't move at all. 250 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:05,056 Mom! 251 00:12:06,093 --> 00:12:08,371 And it went flying down the hall. 252 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:09,761 What's going on? 253 00:12:16,036 --> 00:12:19,015 When I grabbed the hat, I'm checking the hat over. 254 00:12:19,039 --> 00:12:20,316 There's nothing on the hat. 255 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,584 It's just a hat. 256 00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:22,852 It doesn't take batteries. 257 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:23,986 It doesn't make sound. 258 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:25,844 It doesn't make movement, nothing. 259 00:12:27,748 --> 00:12:29,292 There's nothing to worry about. 260 00:12:29,316 --> 00:12:30,693 I hate it here! 261 00:12:30,717 --> 00:12:31,894 She was so scared. 262 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:33,129 She was just so terrified, 263 00:12:33,153 --> 00:12:35,220 and I couldn't even calm her down. 264 00:12:43,697 --> 00:12:47,910 The night continues to get stranger. 265 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:50,279 Whatever followed them home from the cemetery 266 00:12:50,303 --> 00:12:53,004 turns its attention to Christopher. 267 00:13:01,648 --> 00:13:03,693 Everything's okay, Christopher. Go back to bed. 268 00:13:03,717 --> 00:13:06,362 Someone's knocking. 269 00:13:06,386 --> 00:13:08,553 What? Someone's knocking. 270 00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:14,370 I'm, like, "Christopher, go back to bed. 271 00:13:14,394 --> 00:13:16,072 It's, like, 11:00." 272 00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:18,441 "No, mom, somebody's knocking." 273 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,025 I'm, like, "What are you talking about?" 274 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:32,288 There's nothing there. 275 00:13:32,312 --> 00:13:33,645 Just go back to bed. 276 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:38,183 Can't you hear them? They're there. 277 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:42,120 But they don't register with Jason. 278 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,302 Kids are tuned very differently. 279 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:49,205 They have the ability to see spirits. 280 00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:51,407 They have the ability to feel things 281 00:13:51,431 --> 00:13:52,942 that aren't there. 282 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:55,711 They have the ability to hear things. 283 00:13:55,735 --> 00:13:57,079 I'm, like, "Okay." 284 00:13:57,103 --> 00:13:57,980 So I stood there, and I'm, like, 285 00:13:58,004 --> 00:13:59,415 "Okay, I'm gonna wait here, 286 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,217 and I'm gonna see if I can hear anything." 287 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:03,119 So I stood there. I didn't hear a damn thing. 288 00:14:03,143 --> 00:14:05,454 Like, I don't hear anything. 289 00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:07,690 "You can't hear it?" he said. He says to me. 290 00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:08,958 I'm, like, "I can't hear anything." 291 00:14:08,982 --> 00:14:10,126 He's, like, "They're knocking." 292 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,595 Christopher insists he can hear 293 00:14:12,619 --> 00:14:14,786 someone reaching out to him. 294 00:14:16,823 --> 00:14:18,223 They want me. 295 00:14:21,895 --> 00:14:24,207 My husband, he did go out the side door. 296 00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:25,808 It is very dark. 297 00:14:25,832 --> 00:14:27,343 You can't even see your hand in front of your face 298 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:28,344 when you're outside. 299 00:14:28,368 --> 00:14:30,268 Who's there?! 300 00:14:36,109 --> 00:14:38,821 Who's there?! 301 00:14:38,845 --> 00:14:40,189 There was nothing there. 302 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,290 It was quiet out. 303 00:14:41,314 --> 00:14:43,559 You couldn't even hear a bird or nothing. 304 00:14:43,583 --> 00:14:44,660 It was just nighttime. 305 00:14:44,684 --> 00:14:45,717 It was pitch black. 306 00:14:48,188 --> 00:14:50,032 Who's there?! 307 00:14:50,056 --> 00:14:51,723 Jason! 308 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:56,160 Jason can't see anything. 309 00:14:58,465 --> 00:14:59,742 Who's there?! 310 00:14:59,766 --> 00:15:01,143 But the darkness is filled 311 00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:03,846 with the laughter of children. 312 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:05,837 Who's there?! 313 00:15:08,675 --> 00:15:11,153 The ghost of a child could be dangerous. 314 00:15:11,177 --> 00:15:12,188 When a ghost child 315 00:15:12,212 --> 00:15:14,879 were interacting with a living child... 316 00:15:19,853 --> 00:15:22,164 they might find something about the living child 317 00:15:22,188 --> 00:15:23,165 that upsets them, 318 00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:24,133 and they might push back. 319 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:27,270 The night is not over yet. 320 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,960 Mommy, mommy! 321 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:37,613 The Lopez family went to an abandoned graveyard 322 00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:39,081 to look around. 323 00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:42,718 But now, something has followed them home. 324 00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:47,145 And is reaching out to their son, Christopher. 325 00:15:50,216 --> 00:15:51,861 Ghost children tend to be attracted 326 00:15:51,885 --> 00:15:53,095 to the children of the living 327 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:54,130 because they can relate. 328 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:55,898 They're more or less the same age, 329 00:15:55,922 --> 00:15:58,234 and because the ghost children are where they are, 330 00:15:58,258 --> 00:16:01,103 chances are they are confused about where they are. 331 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:03,105 They passed away prematurely. 332 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:06,542 They're probably wondering why no one can see them. 333 00:16:06,566 --> 00:16:09,200 But this living child can. 334 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:26,395 Christopher is woken from his sleep 335 00:16:26,419 --> 00:16:29,220 and compelled to his bedroom window. 336 00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:06,769 Mommy, mommy! 337 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:07,937 Mommy! 338 00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:09,405 Christopher. 339 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:11,129 Mommy. 340 00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:14,377 There's two boys playing outside. 341 00:17:14,401 --> 00:17:15,411 What do you mean? 342 00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:16,479 Come back to bed. 343 00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:20,249 There's two boys playing outside. 344 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:21,717 "There's two boys." 345 00:17:21,741 --> 00:17:23,386 Seriously, you need to go to sleep. 346 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:24,542 "But I could see them!" 347 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:33,162 What? 348 00:17:33,186 --> 00:17:34,997 He's, like, "They have blond hair. 349 00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:36,298 There's two of them. 350 00:17:36,322 --> 00:17:38,134 They have blond hair, and I can see their shirts. 351 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:39,301 They're wearing white shirts, 352 00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:40,669 but I can see through their shirts. 353 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:42,071 Like, they're playing with my toys." 354 00:17:42,095 --> 00:17:43,406 It started to clue in 355 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:46,142 that we probably had brought something back. 356 00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:47,410 Maybe it was trying to wake him up 357 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:49,245 because he wanted to play, you know. 358 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:50,679 Maybe it was a child that wanted attention. 359 00:17:50,703 --> 00:17:51,680 It was lonely. 360 00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:53,849 I was just hoping that 361 00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:56,541 it was nothing that was gonna harm any of us. 362 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,914 And I decide, "Okay, I'm gonna get out my camera. 363 00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,616 I'm gonna check out all the photos that I took." 364 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,119 Desperate to protect her child, 365 00:18:30,143 --> 00:18:32,688 Michelle decides to get to the bottom of this encounter 366 00:18:32,712 --> 00:18:33,989 with the paranormal. 367 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:36,614 And I start going through the photos. 368 00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:43,732 One of the photos 369 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:48,237 that I had taken by the cholera mass grave, 370 00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:51,440 you can clearly make out what looks like a child... 371 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,443 Blond hair, squatted down on their knees, 372 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,601 looking down like that, right behind the plaque. 373 00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:03,119 You could see a little blonde-haired boy, 374 00:19:03,143 --> 00:19:04,153 and it looks like he's running. 375 00:19:04,177 --> 00:19:05,497 You can see his arms up like that. 376 00:19:06,346 --> 00:19:07,623 Like that. 377 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:09,258 And I was, like, "Oh, my God." 378 00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:11,427 The ghosts of the cholera victims 379 00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:13,195 have left the mass grave 380 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:16,165 and stalked her son to his room. 381 00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:18,667 But what do they want? 382 00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:20,469 They have a story to get across. 383 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:21,971 There should be no surprise 384 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,507 the ghosts of children would accompany a family 385 00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:26,775 that included children amongst their brood. 386 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,944 The spirits come from 387 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:33,048 a horrible, unexpected, and tragic death. 388 00:19:33,072 --> 00:19:34,049 They weren't ready to go. 389 00:19:34,073 --> 00:19:35,951 They have ended up in this realm. 390 00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:38,053 They have kind of a foot in both realms, 391 00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:40,923 and they're not quite sure where they want to be 392 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:41,947 or how to get out of it. 393 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:46,184 Stay here. 394 00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:52,601 Michelle knows there is only one way to deal with a ghost. 395 00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,103 You have to leave! 396 00:19:54,127 --> 00:19:55,560 Confront it. 397 00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:03,879 I'm sorry we bothered you! 398 00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:06,982 And I said, "Whoever's here, if you followed us home, 399 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:09,985 we apologize for bothering you in any way if we did. 400 00:20:10,009 --> 00:20:11,387 My son is frightened of you. 401 00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:13,289 You're not welcome in this house. 402 00:20:13,313 --> 00:20:14,323 We did not invite you here. 403 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:15,391 You need to leave." 404 00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:19,094 You're not welcome here! 405 00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:21,030 You can't have him! 406 00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:22,097 Do you hear me? 407 00:20:22,121 --> 00:20:23,499 You have to go! 408 00:20:23,523 --> 00:20:26,135 You have to leave now! 409 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:27,636 It's always interesting to me 410 00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:31,674 to see ghosts or earthbound spirits 411 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:33,042 that are children. 412 00:20:33,066 --> 00:20:36,812 I've seen cases where children don't know 413 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,681 that they're actually dead, 414 00:20:38,705 --> 00:20:39,949 or they won't cross over 415 00:20:39,973 --> 00:20:42,418 until someone says it's okay. 416 00:20:42,442 --> 00:20:44,386 Go. 417 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:45,487 Go now. 418 00:20:45,511 --> 00:20:50,626 Find peace somewhere else. 419 00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:52,416 Go now. 420 00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:59,702 And just like that, the experience is over, 421 00:20:59,726 --> 00:21:02,338 but it has lasting effects. 422 00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:06,041 Christopher, he was shaken up, definitely shaken up. 423 00:21:06,065 --> 00:21:08,911 He was the only one that could see them, 424 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:10,746 and nobody else could see them. 425 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,749 To this day, he always says that he wants to go back. 426 00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:16,118 But then when it comes down to the time and the day to go, 427 00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:18,053 he wants absolutely nothing to do 428 00:21:18,077 --> 00:21:19,688 with actually being there. 429 00:21:19,712 --> 00:21:25,427 The Lopez family left their ghosts behind, 430 00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:28,998 but Rocky Elmore is about to return to a haunted mountain 431 00:21:29,022 --> 00:21:34,336 where another spirit is trapped between this world and the next. 432 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,274 I've had people question me to what I saw that night, 433 00:21:38,298 --> 00:21:42,244 suggesting how I hallucinated, or I imagined things. 434 00:21:42,268 --> 00:21:43,479 I did not imagine that. 435 00:21:43,503 --> 00:21:46,137 I was fully awake, and I know what I saw. 436 00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:50,941 And it was walking right toward me. 437 00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:02,431 Not all spirits pass over to the other side. 438 00:22:02,455 --> 00:22:04,855 Some are trapped here on Earth. 439 00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:09,838 Ghosts feed off of that fear energy. 440 00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,340 They feed off of depression. 441 00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:12,675 They feed off of chaos. 442 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,044 They like that kind of energy. 443 00:22:15,068 --> 00:22:18,314 All ghosts are not bad. 444 00:22:18,338 --> 00:22:20,516 There are plenty of... Of spirits 445 00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:23,218 that are good-natured. 446 00:22:23,242 --> 00:22:25,087 But there can be what I can call... 447 00:22:25,111 --> 00:22:26,889 What you might call evil spirits, 448 00:22:26,913 --> 00:22:28,346 I call them negative spirits. 449 00:22:30,283 --> 00:22:32,227 A ghost or a spirit 450 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:35,931 that finds themselves trapped, straddling realms, 451 00:22:35,955 --> 00:22:38,734 do feel a sense of torment 452 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,436 being in that state. 453 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:45,240 And this mountainside is full of apparitions, 454 00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:48,744 both good-natured and otherwise. 455 00:22:48,768 --> 00:22:52,047 Well, it's been claimed by the locals 456 00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:53,515 that that mountain is haunted. 457 00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:56,385 Border agent Rocky Elmore 458 00:22:56,409 --> 00:22:59,922 has had his share of ghostly encounters, 459 00:22:59,946 --> 00:23:03,447 Such as when his partner Luis Santiago was murdered. 460 00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:08,297 In some cases, 461 00:23:08,321 --> 00:23:09,920 a ghost returns to where they died. 462 00:23:11,324 --> 00:23:16,394 Santiago tried to contact Rocky from beyond the grave. 463 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:20,109 I asked myself many times, 464 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:21,910 why would he be trying 465 00:23:21,934 --> 00:23:24,380 to contact me over the radio like that? 466 00:23:24,404 --> 00:23:26,315 Was it to say goodbye? 467 00:23:26,339 --> 00:23:27,816 Was it to tell me what happened? 468 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,886 Now Rocky has a new partner 469 00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,177 and another tale to tell. 470 00:23:34,514 --> 00:23:37,926 This story takes place on top of Otay Mountain, 471 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:40,028 probably about a third of a mile 472 00:23:40,052 --> 00:23:41,964 from a place called Doghouse Junction. 473 00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:45,300 This mountainside has seen its share of death 474 00:23:45,324 --> 00:23:48,170 for over a century. 475 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:50,939 The area has had several aircraft crashes... 476 00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:54,143 Medical helicopter, World War II airplanes. 477 00:23:54,167 --> 00:23:58,981 There's just so many things that happen up on that mountain. 478 00:23:59,005 --> 00:24:00,916 We find skeletal remains up there, 479 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,986 almost on a monthly basis. 480 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:05,287 We've found dead bodies. 481 00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:07,611 There's a lot of death and misery on that mountain. 482 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:12,294 Tonight, Rocky and his partner Pat 483 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,963 are on the hunt for a smuggler. 484 00:24:14,987 --> 00:24:17,633 Pat and I had been sent up to the mountain. 485 00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:21,270 We were the only two 486 00:24:21,294 --> 00:24:23,372 anywhere near the peak of the mountain 487 00:24:23,396 --> 00:24:24,728 in Doghouse Junction. 488 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:38,687 There's times I've heard what could have been screams 489 00:24:38,711 --> 00:24:39,688 up on the mountain, 490 00:24:39,712 --> 00:24:41,023 and you can't tell if it's an animal 491 00:24:41,047 --> 00:24:42,047 or if it's a person. 492 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:57,005 We didn't come up with any footprints, 493 00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:58,373 no sign for anybody. 494 00:24:58,397 --> 00:25:00,498 We didn't hear anything. 495 00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:08,973 Hey, I don't see anything! Do you? 496 00:25:12,211 --> 00:25:13,722 All right. 497 00:25:13,746 --> 00:25:14,823 Let's head back. 498 00:25:14,847 --> 00:25:16,158 The fog sweeping over that 499 00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:18,527 just gave it really a horror movie... 500 00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:20,596 It would have been a perfect setting 501 00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:22,219 to film a horror movie there. 502 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:32,174 The nights that we were... 503 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:35,010 That we would work in the fog, 504 00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:38,347 visibility is obviously very, very difficult. 505 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:40,582 Your flashlights might play tricks around, you know, 506 00:25:40,606 --> 00:25:42,217 shadows being cast. 507 00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:45,320 But typically, you just can't see anything 508 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,089 until you're right on top of something. 509 00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:48,312 Heads up! 510 00:25:52,652 --> 00:25:53,652 It's nothing. 511 00:25:58,424 --> 00:26:00,524 We hiked back up to our vehicles. 512 00:26:05,865 --> 00:26:07,042 Got back up there, 513 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:08,977 and it's probably around 514 00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:12,581 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning at that time. 515 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:14,750 Pat said, he wanted to know if it'd be okay 516 00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:17,352 if he took about a 15-minute nap, 517 00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:18,921 and I would watch for him. 518 00:26:18,945 --> 00:26:21,623 So he dozed off for about 15 minutes, 519 00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,826 and I watched everything. 520 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:27,329 You're gonna grab some Z's, it's a good a time as any. 521 00:26:27,353 --> 00:26:29,486 His partner dozes off. 522 00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,803 And that's when Rocky finally sees 523 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:37,494 that they are not the only ones on the mountain. 524 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,878 In the distance, 525 00:26:42,902 --> 00:26:45,314 I seen this figure coming up out of Copper Canyon, 526 00:26:45,338 --> 00:26:47,115 and it was walking right for us. 527 00:26:47,139 --> 00:26:49,985 And I quickly looked over at my partner, 528 00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:53,143 and he was still sawing logs. 529 00:26:55,481 --> 00:26:58,727 This figure actually seemed to be a Border Patrol agent. 530 00:26:58,751 --> 00:27:01,196 He looked like one of us at a distance. 531 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:04,666 I thought I detected a gun belt and things on it like that. 532 00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:06,568 I thought it was a little bit strange 533 00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:08,704 because no one else was assigned up there. 534 00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:11,261 Patrol, is anyone else out here with us? 535 00:27:13,532 --> 00:27:16,678 Lots of times, you'll go into what we would call a dead zone 536 00:27:16,702 --> 00:27:19,414 where our radio communications wouldn't work. 537 00:27:19,438 --> 00:27:21,149 So we'd be literally on our own. 538 00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:24,186 What exactly is Rocky chasing? 539 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:25,487 We couldn't call out for help 540 00:27:25,511 --> 00:27:28,545 if something went down, if something went bad. 541 00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,863 The biggest danger with the fog for a Border Patrol agent 542 00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:36,665 is that, as he's walking around, 543 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,000 he'll get lost 544 00:27:38,024 --> 00:27:39,868 because he can't find his trails as easy. 545 00:27:39,892 --> 00:27:43,327 He can't find the landmarks as easy. 546 00:27:51,671 --> 00:27:52,914 I'm starting to think that, 547 00:27:52,938 --> 00:27:55,150 well, I probably should have woke my partner up. 548 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,319 Obviously, this is a little bit more 549 00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:58,587 than what I thought it was. 550 00:27:58,611 --> 00:28:01,323 The question is, 551 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:03,981 who or what is Rocky chasing? 552 00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:09,798 I got close enough to see his actual face. 553 00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:11,855 I thought he was about to speak to me. 554 00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:21,176 Border Patrol agent Rocky Elmore 555 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,146 has seen someone in the thick mountain fog. 556 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:27,504 Is it a man or something else? 557 00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:31,186 The idea of spirits scares people, 558 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:36,158 so right off the bat, we're emitting fear. 559 00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,493 We're emitting that energy. 560 00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:39,995 And unfortunately, 561 00:28:40,019 --> 00:28:42,364 that's kind of the worst thing we can do 562 00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:44,099 if there is spirit activity 563 00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:46,568 because that's what they feed off of. 564 00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:51,173 Rocky is lured up the trail away from his partner. 565 00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,942 Finally, he gets a good look at his target. 566 00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:55,677 And as he got a little bit closer, 567 00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:59,981 it actually started to take the form of like a military, 568 00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:02,217 maybe in a jumpsuit, 569 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,786 some kind of utility belt or something. 570 00:29:04,810 --> 00:29:07,556 Rocky is face-to-face with a man in uniform 571 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:11,426 who seems eerily out of place on the mountain. 572 00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:13,361 I thought, "well, I guess it would be possible 573 00:29:13,385 --> 00:29:15,330 that there could have been a plane crash, 574 00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:17,933 and nobody knew about it, and he survived it." 575 00:29:17,957 --> 00:29:20,535 But something's not right. 576 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,238 As he come towards me, he was walking totally silent. 577 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:24,639 I did not hear footsteps. 578 00:29:24,663 --> 00:29:26,475 Considering the terrain, 579 00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:28,543 I should have heard the footsteps. 580 00:29:28,567 --> 00:29:32,180 When he got close enough to see his actual face, 581 00:29:32,204 --> 00:29:33,648 there was nothing unusual about it 582 00:29:33,672 --> 00:29:37,307 to give me any kind of clue of what was about to happen. 583 00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:40,489 Aah! 584 00:29:40,513 --> 00:29:42,891 Ghosts tend to want to play with 585 00:29:42,915 --> 00:29:45,026 these strangers that have entered their world, 586 00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,361 entered their home, 587 00:29:46,385 --> 00:29:48,663 and have a bit of fun. 588 00:29:48,687 --> 00:29:51,967 When he started to smile, I also started to speak to him. 589 00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:54,091 I thought he was about to speak to me. 590 00:29:58,531 --> 00:30:02,244 But within just a split second of the smile starting, 591 00:30:02,268 --> 00:30:03,879 it went much wider, 592 00:30:03,903 --> 00:30:07,783 kind of this ghoulish-type grin at me. 593 00:30:07,807 --> 00:30:09,851 It was kind of like the Joker on "Batman." 594 00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,942 That smile went way wide. 595 00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:18,615 Very, very shortly after that, his face began to glow. 596 00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,030 I don't know if my brain was able 597 00:30:22,054 --> 00:30:25,689 to catch up quickly enough with what was happening. 598 00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:29,893 And then he accelerated and vanished. 599 00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,443 The apparition is gone. 600 00:30:35,467 --> 00:30:36,945 The grin he gave me 601 00:30:36,969 --> 00:30:38,780 was like he was pulling a practical joke on me. 602 00:30:38,804 --> 00:30:40,582 "Gotcha. You thought I was a real person, 603 00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:42,239 and I'm only a spirit." 604 00:30:45,578 --> 00:30:47,055 A ghost has its egos. 605 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,324 A ghost has its attitudes, 606 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,127 its addictions, its sense of humor. 607 00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:55,297 It still maintains everything that it had 608 00:30:55,321 --> 00:30:56,653 when it was a human being. 609 00:30:58,090 --> 00:31:00,135 I don't know what I thought at the time 610 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:01,236 or what I was feeling. 611 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:03,038 I did what we always do. 612 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,006 We get out the flashlight 613 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,064 and start looking for footprints on the ground. 614 00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:10,267 I looked all around. 615 00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:13,704 But there were no footprints for him. 616 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:20,689 And when I realized what had really happened 617 00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:22,257 and the significance of it, 618 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:23,825 fear started to sweep over me. 619 00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:26,228 Come to the conclusion it was a spirit. 620 00:31:26,252 --> 00:31:31,166 Rocky's partner slept through the whole ghostly encounter. 621 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:32,200 To this day, 622 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:33,535 I've never told him what happened. 623 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,437 You just don't talk about paranormal stuff 624 00:31:35,461 --> 00:31:36,738 in law enforcement. 625 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:39,207 He doesn't know what the phantom soldier 626 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,610 wanted from him, who he was, 627 00:31:41,634 --> 00:31:44,434 or how long he has been trapped on that mountain. 628 00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:49,718 But it's possible he died decades ago 629 00:31:49,742 --> 00:31:53,121 when a plane crashed during World War II. 630 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:56,424 In the case of a spirit who finds themselves trapped, 631 00:31:56,448 --> 00:31:58,026 my feeling is that 632 00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:59,361 they would work on a plan 633 00:31:59,385 --> 00:32:01,796 to communicate with somebody among the living, 634 00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,298 bring attention to themselves. 635 00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:05,901 "I'm here, please listen to me." 636 00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:08,169 Rocky didn't choose to seek out 637 00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:10,772 the spirit trapped between two realms. 638 00:32:10,796 --> 00:32:12,774 It came to him. 639 00:32:12,798 --> 00:32:15,610 But Daniel Cumerlato has been fascinated 640 00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:16,711 by earthbound souls 641 00:32:16,735 --> 00:32:18,980 since he was a child 642 00:32:19,004 --> 00:32:22,617 and has always wanted to reach out to them. 643 00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:24,886 As a kid, I always loved ghost stories. 644 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:27,255 You got to believe that there's something, 645 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,624 the idea that energy exists, 646 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:31,192 So if you believe in energy, 647 00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,128 you should be able to believe in ghosts. 648 00:32:33,152 --> 00:32:38,333 His interest in the paranormal follows him into adulthood. 649 00:32:38,357 --> 00:32:40,769 One night, we were a little bit bored, 650 00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:42,404 me and my wife at the time. 651 00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:44,806 So we decided to use a Ouija board. 652 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,675 All the best stories start with a Ouija board. 653 00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:49,544 The Ouija board has been given a very bad rap over the years 654 00:32:49,568 --> 00:32:53,648 because most experiences of people using it 655 00:32:53,672 --> 00:32:55,038 turn out to be negative ones. 656 00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:59,220 I had set up this little microcassette recorder 657 00:32:59,244 --> 00:33:01,289 in the corner of the table. 658 00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,224 And we were doing the session, 659 00:33:03,248 --> 00:33:04,526 and I asked one question... 660 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,883 Spirit, are you there? 661 00:33:08,921 --> 00:33:10,587 And it slowly went up to "yes." 662 00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:16,004 Now, afterwards, we listened to the microphone, 663 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:17,339 and after I asked that question, 664 00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:19,574 you could hear in the microphone another voice. 665 00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:20,508 It wasn't mine. 666 00:33:20,532 --> 00:33:21,943 It wasn't my wife. 667 00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:24,579 It was another guy right up against the microphone say... 668 00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:25,769 Yes. 669 00:33:29,108 --> 00:33:31,219 That one eerie incident 670 00:33:31,243 --> 00:33:33,888 sparks a lifetime of obsession 671 00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:36,691 and sends Daniel on a terrifying journey. 672 00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:38,393 It's the one and only time 673 00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:40,484 that I saw something hat I couldn't explain. 674 00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:54,876 Ghosts haunt the land. 675 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,734 Unable or unwilling to leave. 676 00:33:59,071 --> 00:34:03,418 Sometimes it's impossible to know what they want. 677 00:34:03,442 --> 00:34:06,376 And other times, it's terrifyingly clear. 678 00:34:11,316 --> 00:34:14,596 There's all sorts of different types of attachment for spirit. 679 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:18,566 I've seen spirits that are connected to land 680 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:21,403 because they're just very attached to it. 681 00:34:21,427 --> 00:34:24,506 I don't believe that ghosts stay in our realm for no reason. 682 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:25,840 I'm safe here, 683 00:34:25,864 --> 00:34:29,878 so I'm not gonna risk going to purgatory or hell 684 00:34:29,902 --> 00:34:31,046 if I'm safe here. 685 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:35,550 But they choose to remain straddling the realm 686 00:34:35,574 --> 00:34:36,785 of what we call the living 687 00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:38,486 and the afterlife. 688 00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:42,891 Not only is Daniel Cumerlato fascinated by the spirit world, 689 00:34:42,915 --> 00:34:45,660 he gives tours into it, 690 00:34:45,684 --> 00:34:49,164 inviting people to join in as he explores haunted buildings 691 00:34:49,188 --> 00:34:53,768 around his home in Ontario, Canada. 692 00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:57,205 A decrepit old mansion known as the Hermitage 693 00:34:57,229 --> 00:34:59,541 is one of the most popular. 694 00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:01,709 What remains was built in the 1850s 695 00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,378 by the Leith family. 696 00:35:03,402 --> 00:35:05,246 And out of all the locations I've gone to, 697 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:10,085 it seems to have the most dark or negative energy 698 00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:11,641 that surrounds it. 699 00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:16,191 The mansion was destroyed by fire, 700 00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:18,126 and the only living descendant 701 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:20,929 was forced out into the streets. 702 00:35:20,953 --> 00:35:23,131 So she couldn't afford to fix up her family's home, 703 00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:24,799 but she also didn't want to leave it. 704 00:35:24,823 --> 00:35:28,303 So she actually lived in a tent outside of the ruins, 705 00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:30,105 just her and her little crippled dog 706 00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:31,406 until the day she died. 707 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:35,510 Another woman also met a tragic end here 708 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,913 when her lover hung himself in the mansion's carriage house. 709 00:35:38,937 --> 00:35:41,983 She died of heartache shortly after. 710 00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:44,752 She was obviously crushed and broken, 711 00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:48,323 and that energy still remains, especially at night. 712 00:35:48,347 --> 00:35:51,759 The spirits of both these women haunt the grounds, 713 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:55,497 united together in anguish. 714 00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:58,933 We're often asked how dangerous ghosts can get, 715 00:35:58,957 --> 00:36:01,402 and what kind of harm they can inflict when upset. 716 00:36:01,426 --> 00:36:02,804 A lot of this depends on 717 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:05,406 the degree of emotion that they... 718 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:06,474 That they feel. 719 00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:09,277 The lure of haunted ruins 720 00:36:09,301 --> 00:36:11,312 is impossible for some to resist, 721 00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:15,817 which is why thrill seekers flock to Daniel's tours. 722 00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:18,186 The only way to describe it is negative. 723 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:22,857 That dread or foreboding that kind of surrounds the area. 724 00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:25,426 I hope we don't have too many nightmares, you know, 725 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:27,529 nothing too scary. 726 00:36:27,553 --> 00:36:30,398 So on that evening in the year 2006, 727 00:36:30,422 --> 00:36:31,666 I had a group. 728 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:32,700 Thanks very much. 729 00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:33,835 Hope you guys enjoyed the tour. 730 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:34,969 Time to go home. 731 00:36:34,993 --> 00:36:36,971 I tell you, most of it was pretty calm. 732 00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:40,542 It was kind of like luring me into a false sense of security. 733 00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:43,845 Come on, you guys! Time to go! 734 00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:45,113 I noticed two people. 735 00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:46,347 I didn't think anything of it. 736 00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:49,017 I just assumed they were part of the group, 737 00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:50,318 and I called out to them. 738 00:36:50,342 --> 00:36:52,587 I said, "It's time to go. Please follow me." 739 00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:54,211 And they ignored me. 740 00:36:56,615 --> 00:36:58,226 And when I called out the second time, 741 00:36:58,250 --> 00:37:00,528 it was kind of like they turned a bit, 742 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:02,852 and they walked right into the woods. 743 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:08,469 It gets darker and darker 744 00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:09,837 as you're heading into the woods. 745 00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:11,139 The area they walked into, 746 00:37:11,163 --> 00:37:13,007 I was afraid they could hurt themselves. 747 00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:14,142 They might trip and fall. 748 00:37:14,166 --> 00:37:16,533 So I started running. 749 00:37:20,205 --> 00:37:21,783 And two seconds behind them, 750 00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:24,352 I shine a flashlight into those dark woods, 751 00:37:24,376 --> 00:37:25,653 and there's no one there. 752 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:28,089 There's no way that I wouldn't have heard them run away 753 00:37:28,113 --> 00:37:29,390 or seen them try to run away 754 00:37:29,414 --> 00:37:32,360 if they were playing some kind of weird joke on me. 755 00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:33,683 Hey! 756 00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:41,336 It was almost like they just vanished into thin air. 757 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,971 I'm thinking I'm starting to go a little bit crazy 758 00:37:42,995 --> 00:37:44,127 at this point. 759 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,979 It obviously changed from being a little bit peeved 760 00:37:51,003 --> 00:37:52,836 to being a little bit frightened. 761 00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:01,489 I felt a little bit confused the whole time 762 00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:04,325 as my brain kind of processes through the different levels. 763 00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:07,061 Could they have silently snuck away 764 00:38:07,085 --> 00:38:08,796 in the time that I came over? 765 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:10,398 Could they have run off silently? 766 00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:12,500 And as I'm checking off all the boxes... 767 00:38:12,524 --> 00:38:14,569 Impossible, impossible, impossible. 768 00:38:14,593 --> 00:38:16,337 Hey! 769 00:38:16,361 --> 00:38:18,106 Come on, you guys! 770 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:21,209 Come on! 771 00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:22,644 So I ran after them. 772 00:38:22,668 --> 00:38:24,245 And when I caught up, when I saw it, 773 00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:25,468 I immediately got scared. 774 00:38:29,308 --> 00:38:30,507 Hey, let's go! Come on! 775 00:38:39,885 --> 00:38:42,830 I kind of remember the shapes wearing dresses, 776 00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:45,099 so it kind of billowed out a little bit at the bottom. 777 00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:48,236 They were the same height, the same shape. 778 00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:49,804 Really only way to describe it 779 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:51,961 as if they were mirror images of each other. 780 00:38:53,899 --> 00:38:55,476 Daniel wonders, 781 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,512 are these the spirits of the two women 782 00:38:57,536 --> 00:38:59,781 who died on this land? 783 00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:01,115 I called out to them. 784 00:39:01,139 --> 00:39:02,216 They had turned. 785 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,307 They had walked into those dark woods. 786 00:39:22,627 --> 00:39:24,072 I'm not sure if the energies 787 00:39:24,096 --> 00:39:25,962 were trying to draw me into the woods. 788 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,468 He fights an overwhelming urge to follow the apparitions. 789 00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:41,745 They disappeared into that darkness. 790 00:39:44,082 --> 00:39:46,394 It's almost like they were merging with it. 791 00:39:46,418 --> 00:39:47,795 Then it dawns on me, 792 00:39:47,819 --> 00:39:49,953 I just had a ghostly experience. 793 00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:54,424 That's when I took off. 794 00:39:56,795 --> 00:39:58,106 Funny thing is, I didn't tell anybody 795 00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:00,108 about that experience the night of 796 00:40:00,132 --> 00:40:02,098 because I wanted to go over it in my head. 797 00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:07,215 Daniel doesn't know 798 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,051 why the spirits enticed him to follow 799 00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,353 or what horrors they might have visited on him 800 00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,222 if he had. 801 00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:16,023 And he can't help but wonder 802 00:40:16,047 --> 00:40:17,658 if they will come back for him 803 00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:19,983 and what their intentions might be. 804 00:40:21,186 --> 00:40:23,431 Every single tour that I lead there, 805 00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:25,533 it crosses the back of my mind, 806 00:40:25,557 --> 00:40:27,635 especially when a night comes closer on, 807 00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:28,836 the night of a full moon. 808 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,172 But it hasn't happened. 809 00:40:31,196 --> 00:40:33,641 Spirits who are trapped between two realms 810 00:40:33,665 --> 00:40:34,909 can be dangerous 811 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,100 as the Lopez family found out. 812 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:40,515 They are still haunted by the memory 813 00:40:40,539 --> 00:40:43,339 of the ghostly children that came for their son. 814 00:40:46,778 --> 00:40:49,290 If people don't believe me and tell me I'm crazy, 815 00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:50,591 I just tell them that 816 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,760 wait until something like this happens to you, 817 00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:55,763 and then you'll really say "You're not crazy." 818 00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:59,934 Rocky is likewise still shaken by his experience, 819 00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:03,026 but won't let it get the better of him. 820 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:10,578 We just deal so much with blocking our emotions, 821 00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:12,313 to keep fear from getting in, 822 00:41:12,337 --> 00:41:14,916 because it's scary out there. 823 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,918 And if you let fear get in even a little bit, 824 00:41:16,942 --> 00:41:18,920 you won't get out of your truck. 825 00:41:18,944 --> 00:41:21,689 So you spend a lot of time trying to block your emotions 826 00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,046 and keep fear at bay. 60322

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