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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,283 --> 00:00:25,286 They were all in agreement about what 2 00:00:25,416 --> 00:00:27,592 we could do for Charlie, what the treatment 3 00:00:27,723 --> 00:00:30,639 options were, there was drugs, 4 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:33,598 and there was brain surgery 5 00:00:33,729 --> 00:00:36,514 and you're out of luck, and so. 6 00:00:41,258 --> 00:00:42,694 It was a while ago but [chokes]. 7 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:50,137 So Charlie was born March 11th, 1992, 8 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:53,836 and he had a pretty normal first year 9 00:00:53,966 --> 00:00:57,622 and then right around his first birthday a little before his first birthday 10 00:00:57,753 --> 00:01:00,930 I was actually pushing him in a swing one day 11 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:04,064 and he kind of threw his arm up in the air 12 00:01:04,194 --> 00:01:06,109 and twitched his head a little bit 13 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,285 and I didn't even think much of it 14 00:01:08,416 --> 00:01:10,592 and I asked my wife Nancy, I said, 15 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:13,029 have you seen anything like that 16 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,770 and she said yeah, I've seen a bunch of it. 17 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:18,817 So that was the beginning and we 18 00:01:18,948 --> 00:01:20,558 started seeing neurologists. 19 00:01:21,559 --> 00:01:23,387 [woman] Okay, Charlie, okay. 20 00:01:25,172 --> 00:01:28,088 [Matt] The seizures increased in intensity 21 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:32,135 and in duration, he wound up having seizures 22 00:01:32,266 --> 00:01:35,051 in the arms of the Chief of Pediatric Neurology 23 00:01:35,182 --> 00:01:37,749 at Boston Children's Hospital, Seattle 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,362 Children's Hospital, UCLA, LA Children's Hospital 25 00:01:41,492 --> 00:01:45,105 so we tried all the drugs that were available 26 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:49,370 at the time. Charlie had a brain surgery 27 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,416 a horrendous brain surgery and nothing 28 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:57,117 really stopped his seizures and we lost hope 29 00:01:57,247 --> 00:01:59,989 we were basically told there was no hope. 30 00:02:01,033 --> 00:02:03,340 And one day after the visit, I stopped 31 00:02:03,471 --> 00:02:08,389 at the Medical Library. As soon as I started researching 32 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,828 pediatric epilepsy, one of the first things 33 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:16,136 that came up was a ketogenic diet 34 00:02:17,224 --> 00:02:20,140 and was kinda shocking to me because 35 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:23,578 what it said was, uh, that about a third 36 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:27,147 of the kids with epilepsy as bad as Charlie 37 00:02:28,278 --> 00:02:30,280 um, who go on a ketogenic diet have 38 00:02:30,411 --> 00:02:33,109 their seizures go away, and another third 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,285 are significantly improved, and for a third 40 00:02:35,416 --> 00:02:38,723 it doesn't work, and yet all of these folks 41 00:02:38,854 --> 00:02:40,508 that we had taken Charlie to see 42 00:02:40,638 --> 00:02:43,728 never mentioned a word about diet. 43 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,779 [Vinnie] Nutrition information can be so confusing and as advanced as we are medically 44 00:02:50,909 --> 00:02:54,696 and scientifically, the question remains what foods should we eat to achieve good health? 45 00:02:55,871 --> 00:02:58,439 [dramatic music] 46 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,191 [Vinnie] We're in a war for information 47 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:13,149 and the fallout affects all of us. 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,281 [trumpets blare] 49 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:15,847 The media's just gonna sell what 50 00:03:15,978 --> 00:03:17,632 people are gonna buy and if people 51 00:03:17,762 --> 00:03:20,200 knew the truth, they would know what to ask for. 52 00:03:21,592 --> 00:03:23,203 My name is Vinnie Tortorich and I've been 53 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:24,508 in the health and fitness game 54 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,510 for the better part of 40 years, 55 00:03:26,641 --> 00:03:28,469 specializing in weight loss. 56 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:31,428 Over the years, I've seen everything come and go 57 00:03:31,559 --> 00:03:34,518 at least a hundred times, but as a country, 58 00:03:34,649 --> 00:03:36,651 we've only gotten fatter. 59 00:03:37,478 --> 00:03:39,436 What should I eat, what pills should I take, 60 00:03:39,567 --> 00:03:43,005 should I take a pill, what about those protein shakes? 61 00:03:43,135 --> 00:03:44,702 We all know someone who's trying to lose weight 62 00:03:44,833 --> 00:03:46,400 and most of those people don't realize 63 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:49,098 simply losing weight doesn't mean good health. 64 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,187 My mother, for instance, she was always 65 00:03:51,318 --> 00:03:53,842 on some diet, one week it was the Cambridge Diet 66 00:03:53,972 --> 00:03:55,670 the next week it was the Scarsdale diet, 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,889 the next week it was the Cabbage Soup diet. 68 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:59,369 But wait a minute, the next week 69 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:00,544 she ate nothing but bananas. 70 00:04:00,675 --> 00:04:02,067 Where did that come from? 71 00:04:02,198 --> 00:04:04,418 I always wonder about things like eight, 72 00:04:04,548 --> 00:04:06,246 eight ounce glasses of water per day. 73 00:04:06,768 --> 00:04:08,465 Really, where did that come from? 74 00:04:09,118 --> 00:04:11,033 High blood pressure, your doctor will say 75 00:04:11,163 --> 00:04:12,339 oh, you have high blood pressure, 76 00:04:12,469 --> 00:04:14,602 stop drinking coffee, really? 77 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,647 These are all just myths. 78 00:04:16,778 --> 00:04:18,127 [dramatic music] 79 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:20,434 The myths have become ingrained 80 00:04:20,564 --> 00:04:22,436 in our society far too strongly 81 00:04:22,566 --> 00:04:24,351 for people to realize they're myths. 82 00:04:24,481 --> 00:04:26,831 [Vinnie] What are some of the health myths we hear every day? 83 00:04:26,962 --> 00:04:29,181 Grains are good for you and fat is bad for you. 84 00:04:29,312 --> 00:04:31,575 Obesity is an energy balance disorder. 85 00:04:31,706 --> 00:04:33,316 Calorie in, calorie out. 86 00:04:33,447 --> 00:04:34,796 Calories in, calories out 87 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,580 as long as you're burning enough calories, 88 00:04:36,711 --> 00:04:38,365 you can ingest whatever you want. 89 00:04:39,583 --> 00:04:42,064 That you have to exercise to have better health. 90 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:44,849 Saturated fat is the cause of heart disease. 91 00:04:44,980 --> 00:04:46,895 A low fat diet is a healthy diet. 92 00:04:47,025 --> 00:04:48,940 We saw fat in the coronary arteries 93 00:04:49,071 --> 00:04:51,073 and that must come from ingested fat. 94 00:04:51,203 --> 00:04:53,162 [overlapping chatter] 95 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:55,469 A growing number of doctors are learning 96 00:04:55,599 --> 00:04:59,255 that almost everything we're taught about nutrition is wrong. 97 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:02,432 And I realize there was this incredible story 98 00:05:02,563 --> 00:05:04,478 that we had gotten it pretty much 99 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:07,132 completely upside down and backward on fat. 100 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:10,614 [Vinnie] Believe it or not, the story of how we got to where we are today, started in 101 00:05:10,745 --> 00:05:13,791 the 1860s, with the Seventh-day Adventist Church 102 00:05:13,922 --> 00:05:15,880 and a woman named Ellen White. 103 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:20,189 Ellen was a higher up in the church 104 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,017 and she would have these premonitions 105 00:05:22,147 --> 00:05:25,325 and one night she had a dream, that God came to her 106 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:27,152 and said that we shouldn't eat anything 107 00:05:27,283 --> 00:05:30,895 -with a face. -I was taken to another place 108 00:05:31,026 --> 00:05:33,333 high above this world and I 109 00:05:33,463 --> 00:05:35,335 I-- I heard a voice. 110 00:05:37,424 --> 00:05:40,514 There started modern-day veganism. 111 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:43,386 It really didn't exist before then, there were other religious groups 112 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:46,302 who were more vegetarian, they would eat eggs 113 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:47,825 and dairy and so on and so forth 114 00:05:47,956 --> 00:05:50,872 and as a matter of fact, God also told her 115 00:05:51,002 --> 00:05:54,528 that coffee and tea were bad, which made no sense 116 00:05:54,658 --> 00:05:58,836 because both of those are vegetation. 117 00:05:59,881 --> 00:06:01,665 Not long after in our history, there was 118 00:06:01,796 --> 00:06:04,102 a man named Vilhjalmur Stefansson. 119 00:06:04,233 --> 00:06:05,974 He also believed, to a certain extent 120 00:06:06,104 --> 00:06:08,368 that a vegetable heavy diet was mandatory 121 00:06:08,498 --> 00:06:10,892 for good health, he was an explorer 122 00:06:11,022 --> 00:06:15,679 who ended up living with Inuits in Canada in 1906 and in that time and place 123 00:06:15,810 --> 00:06:19,291 he was forced to adopt a new diet due to the lack of options. 124 00:06:19,422 --> 00:06:22,294 He made a discovery that will change the way you look at food. 125 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:26,298 Now this raises the whole question of food, then. 126 00:06:26,429 --> 00:06:28,953 You yourself must have longed for a green 127 00:06:29,084 --> 00:06:31,216 -vegetable once in a while. -Well, I did at first. 128 00:06:31,347 --> 00:06:33,958 At first his preconceived notion is 129 00:06:34,089 --> 00:06:36,874 I'm gonna die, there is nothing green here. 130 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:39,399 There is no vegetation, they simply 131 00:06:39,529 --> 00:06:41,488 eat fish and drink water. 132 00:06:41,618 --> 00:06:44,142 [Nina] It was unlike anything that he'd experienced, right? 133 00:06:44,273 --> 00:06:46,101 Completely unlike the Western diet, 134 00:06:46,231 --> 00:06:50,322 it was probably 70 to 80% fat, the Inuit lived 135 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:52,368 half the year on caribou [gunshot] 136 00:06:52,499 --> 00:06:54,631 and half the year on whatever they could fish out of the sea. 137 00:06:54,762 --> 00:06:58,809 For four and a half months, I lived on literally nothing but fish and water 138 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:02,596 and at the end of four and a half months, I was healthier than I'd ever been before. 139 00:07:02,726 --> 00:07:04,685 And this is on an exclusive meat diet? 140 00:07:04,815 --> 00:07:06,730 [Stefansson] That was exclusive fish in this case. 141 00:07:06,861 --> 00:07:09,298 On this diet, they were perfectly healthy. 142 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:11,039 I mean, Stefansson was somebody from 143 00:07:11,169 --> 00:07:13,433 the medical world and he knew what cancer 144 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:15,304 looked like, he knew what heart disease looked like 145 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:17,175 and he did not see anyone suffering 146 00:07:17,306 --> 00:07:18,481 from ill health in that community. 147 00:07:18,612 --> 00:07:20,004 When he came back to the United States, 148 00:07:20,135 --> 00:07:21,789 no one believed him, of course, 149 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:24,139 what, people eating nothing but meat and fat, 150 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:25,619 how could that be, they certainly would die. 151 00:07:25,749 --> 00:07:28,448 [narrator] Dr. Charles Norris, Chief Medical Examiner 152 00:07:28,578 --> 00:07:30,841 does not approve of an all meat diet. 153 00:07:42,374 --> 00:07:44,507 We have a weakness of not learning 154 00:07:44,638 --> 00:07:47,075 from the natives, but rather teaching them. 155 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:50,165 You see everything through the colored spectacles 156 00:07:50,295 --> 00:07:52,384 of your education, your bringing up. 157 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:56,519 We go through this whole idea of green good 158 00:07:56,650 --> 00:08:00,262 red bad, Greenpeace, a light turns green 159 00:08:00,392 --> 00:08:03,178 it means go, eat your greens, yet when you look 160 00:08:03,308 --> 00:08:05,746 at red, well red means stop, blood is red, 161 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:08,139 it doesn't take long for media to pick up 162 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:11,186 on these thing and we don't realize it's happening 163 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:12,970 but it's happening right in front of us. 164 00:08:13,101 --> 00:08:14,406 [upbeat music] 165 00:08:14,537 --> 00:08:17,105 [announcer] It's 10 p.m. do you know where 166 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:18,498 your children are? 167 00:08:18,628 --> 00:08:20,500 [people yell and punch] 168 00:08:20,630 --> 00:08:22,676 [Vinnie] Back to Ellen White and her visions. 169 00:08:22,806 --> 00:08:24,678 Ellen was having these premonitions 170 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:26,506 and all of this was happening, the rioting's 171 00:08:26,636 --> 00:08:29,987 were happening, in the mid-1860s, 172 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:34,514 but ten years earlier in 1856, a 12 year old boy 173 00:08:34,644 --> 00:08:36,820 came to work with the church, his family 174 00:08:36,951 --> 00:08:39,344 was in a church and that was John Kellogg. 175 00:08:40,781 --> 00:08:44,567 John, by the time he was 16, was writing 176 00:08:44,698 --> 00:08:47,091 and putting out literature for the church. 177 00:08:47,222 --> 00:08:49,224 He would go on to share some of the most bizarre 178 00:08:49,354 --> 00:08:51,487 beliefs that Ellen White and the church had 179 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:53,097 including the idea that masturbation 180 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:54,098 and sex were off limits. 181 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:55,709 Excuse me, Ricky. 182 00:08:56,144 --> 00:08:57,928 To stave off these sins of the flesh, 183 00:08:58,059 --> 00:08:59,930 you should never eat meat because meat 184 00:09:00,061 --> 00:09:02,716 increases sexual desire. Well, this is what 185 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,587 eventually led to Cornflakes. 186 00:09:04,718 --> 00:09:06,415 That's right, Cornflakes were created 187 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:09,636 by Seventh-day Adventists to curb sexual desires. 188 00:09:09,766 --> 00:09:11,507 He was the guy who figured out something 189 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:14,292 that he termed dextrinization, it's when 190 00:09:14,423 --> 00:09:17,731 you cook down grains so much it turns 191 00:09:17,861 --> 00:09:20,124 into dextrose, it turns into a sugar. 192 00:09:20,734 --> 00:09:22,736 [drum beats] 193 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:25,521 Today when you see dextrose in a product 194 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:27,305 you should run in the opposite direction. 195 00:09:27,741 --> 00:09:30,570 It's as bad as seeing high-fructose corn syrup. 196 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:33,616 It's used for bacon, it's used in salami, 197 00:09:33,747 --> 00:09:36,358 all the luncheon meats that you get 198 00:09:36,488 --> 00:09:38,578 includes dextrose nowadays because 199 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:41,015 it gives it a shelf life, it's a way 200 00:09:41,145 --> 00:09:44,496 to cure it fast, it's cheap, it's easy to do 201 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:47,325 so something that John Kellogg started 202 00:09:47,456 --> 00:09:49,153 way back in the day has also seeped 203 00:09:49,284 --> 00:09:52,026 across to the other side, into the meat industry. 204 00:09:54,289 --> 00:09:56,073 [Gary] There are two issues, there's always 205 00:09:56,204 --> 00:09:58,206 multiple questions, one is if you switch from 206 00:09:58,336 --> 00:10:00,904 a standard American diet of processed foods 207 00:10:01,035 --> 00:10:03,254 and sugary beverages and, you know, for lack 208 00:10:03,385 --> 00:10:05,343 of a better word, we'll call it junk 209 00:10:05,474 --> 00:10:09,173 and switch to a vegan diet with healthy 210 00:10:09,304 --> 00:10:11,828 vegetables and beans and legumes and fruit 211 00:10:11,959 --> 00:10:13,787 you're getting rid of a lot of crap 212 00:10:13,917 --> 00:10:15,615 that's probably bad for you, which is the sugar 213 00:10:15,745 --> 00:10:18,530 and the highly refined processed foods. 214 00:10:18,661 --> 00:10:20,184 You would expect somebody to feel better 215 00:10:20,315 --> 00:10:22,665 if they did that, the second question is 216 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:25,407 if you did that and switched to 217 00:10:25,537 --> 00:10:28,802 a whole food diet that was animal food based 218 00:10:28,932 --> 00:10:32,370 rather than plant based, would you be would they be healthier? 219 00:10:32,501 --> 00:10:35,809 I have spent aggregated more than six years 220 00:10:35,939 --> 00:10:39,160 on red meat that is seal meat, caribou meat, 221 00:10:39,290 --> 00:10:42,119 muskox meat, polar bear, grizzly bear, so on. 222 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:44,121 [Vinnie] The Stefansson diet was considered 223 00:10:44,252 --> 00:10:47,734 an all meat diet, so what he did 224 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:52,652 in 1928, was subjected himself and a friend of his 225 00:10:52,782 --> 00:10:55,176 to living in a hospital, being monitored 226 00:10:55,306 --> 00:10:58,092 for an entire year eating nothing but meat 227 00:10:58,222 --> 00:11:01,225 fish and water, and that became the famous Bellevue Study. 228 00:11:02,836 --> 00:11:05,708 [narrator] The studies on Stefansson, which were intensively made 229 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:10,800 from every clinical angle, started on February 13th, 1928. 230 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:12,933 Stefansson was tested during the experiment 231 00:11:13,063 --> 00:11:16,414 with an excessively high protein, minimal fat diet 232 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:18,025 and as a result, became ill. 233 00:11:18,155 --> 00:11:20,810 Stefansson said the only time that he felt ill 234 00:11:20,941 --> 00:11:22,856 was when he ate too much lean meat 235 00:11:22,986 --> 00:11:25,902 not accompanied by the fat, but that some thick steaks 236 00:11:26,033 --> 00:11:27,991 made him feel better again [laughs]. 237 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:30,167 You have to have fat with the lean 238 00:11:30,298 --> 00:11:34,519 as lean and fat together make a perfect diet. 239 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,479 At the end, there were six publications that came out of that experiment 240 00:11:37,609 --> 00:11:41,004 by different doctors looking at whether or not they got enough vitamins and minerals 241 00:11:41,135 --> 00:11:43,267 and everything they could possibly measure and they were found 242 00:11:43,398 --> 00:11:44,878 to be in perfect health. 243 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:04,549 I wanted to try to dispel from the world 244 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,552 the same misconceptions which I had 245 00:12:07,683 --> 00:12:10,033 of the Arctic when I went north. 246 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:12,732 I used to think that I was well-informed 247 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:14,385 on the Arctic before I went north, 248 00:12:14,995 --> 00:12:19,260 and-- but I concluded eventually that out of 249 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:22,437 ten things that I believed about the Arctic 250 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:24,874 before I went north, about six were wrong. 251 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:27,703 [piano music] 252 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:30,750 The medical community has been promoting 253 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,622 saturated fat as being the bad actor 254 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:37,104 for heart disease mainly and that really 255 00:12:37,234 --> 00:12:40,237 came from weak science called epidemiology. 256 00:12:40,368 --> 00:12:42,936 Experimental evidence that shows 257 00:12:43,066 --> 00:12:45,765 that that's actually true has never been done. 258 00:12:45,895 --> 00:12:47,810 For example, you could radio label 259 00:12:47,941 --> 00:12:50,247 saturated fat in the food and see 260 00:12:50,378 --> 00:12:53,294 if it shows up on the arteries. That's never been done. 261 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:55,992 The entire teaching about saturated fat 262 00:12:56,123 --> 00:12:59,169 being bad for the heart is not really 263 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:00,780 founded in good science. 264 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:04,784 [Vinnie] It's not that the information is not out there. 265 00:13:04,914 --> 00:13:07,003 I remember early on when I was in college, 266 00:13:07,134 --> 00:13:09,919 I had a college professor explain to us 267 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:14,141 that fat was our body's preferred source of energy. 268 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:18,493 Okay, fat is a very good way to have energy 269 00:13:18,623 --> 00:13:20,582 and that same professor a couple of weeks 270 00:13:20,712 --> 00:13:23,715 later said, our bodies prefer sugar 271 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,806 when we do exercise. Weren't we talking 272 00:13:26,936 --> 00:13:28,590 about fat just a couple of weeks ago? 273 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,592 Yeah, forget about all that, it's sugar. 274 00:13:30,722 --> 00:13:33,813 So, the message even in top universities 275 00:13:33,943 --> 00:13:34,901 right here in the United States 276 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:36,728 are a bunch of mixed messages. 277 00:13:37,338 --> 00:13:38,774 [dramatic music] 278 00:13:41,908 --> 00:13:43,910 [Vinnie] Do I think there's a big responsibility 279 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,650 for media to do the right thing? 280 00:13:45,781 --> 00:13:48,305 Yes, I do, you know, we have three big networks, 281 00:13:48,436 --> 00:13:51,265 the big three, ABC, CBS and NBC. 282 00:13:51,395 --> 00:13:53,745 Whatever they told us, we went with. 283 00:13:53,876 --> 00:13:55,835 Hell, when I was a kid, there was still 284 00:13:55,965 --> 00:13:57,793 even cigarette commercials on the air. 285 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:00,361 At least we figured out that that was a bad idea. 286 00:14:00,491 --> 00:14:03,190 ♪ Don't settle for some of the taste ♪ 287 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,845 ♪ Some of the time 288 00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:08,238 It's very easy to see how someone 289 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:10,327 can think something or just say something 290 00:14:10,458 --> 00:14:12,895 and that becomes a reality. 291 00:14:13,026 --> 00:14:15,202 [narrator] Breakfast, no eggs or fatty meats 292 00:14:15,332 --> 00:14:17,117 instead, eat grains and fiber 293 00:14:17,247 --> 00:14:19,206 that actually lower cholesterol. 294 00:14:19,336 --> 00:14:21,686 [Vinnie] How about the term heart healthy grains. 295 00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:24,124 We've all seen it, many people believe it. 296 00:14:24,254 --> 00:14:27,388 After all, the terms come from studies that prove it to be true, right? 297 00:14:27,518 --> 00:14:30,130 Those were studies looking at whole grains 298 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:33,916 versus white processed flours and grains. 299 00:14:34,047 --> 00:14:35,570 So of course, when you're comparing it 300 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:37,920 to something like white processed flour, 301 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:40,662 it's going to be better, but does that mean 302 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:43,665 it in and of itself is therefore heart healthy? 303 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:47,277 You could make the argument that whole grains 304 00:14:47,408 --> 00:14:51,064 are less bad for you than refined grains 305 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:54,197 but that doesn't make whole grains good. 306 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:58,114 Oatmeal, or oat bread, or an oat muffin 307 00:14:58,245 --> 00:15:01,030 or oat bran that can either incorporated 308 00:15:01,161 --> 00:15:03,032 into some other cereal product. 309 00:15:03,163 --> 00:15:04,773 It's like cigarettes, you can have 310 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,949 cigarettes with a filter on and they're less 311 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,518 bad for you perhaps than unfiltered cigarettes. 312 00:15:10,648 --> 00:15:14,652 Doesn't make the filtered cigarettes good. It just means they're less bad 313 00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:18,221 and the same thing is true for whole grains. They are less bad. 314 00:15:18,352 --> 00:15:22,008 We should put more emphasis on our vegetables we should think about the vegetables 315 00:15:22,138 --> 00:15:24,184 we're gonna have for dinner rather than the meat portion. 316 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:26,838 [Vinnie] Listen I'm not a doctor, I'm just a guy 317 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:28,579 with a physical education degree 318 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:30,451 who became a trainer and somehow 319 00:15:30,581 --> 00:15:32,453 found myself in the world of modeling. 320 00:15:34,368 --> 00:15:36,370 Before I became a trainer to the stars 321 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:37,980 and eventually, a best-selling author 322 00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:40,635 and podcaster, but when I started modeling 323 00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:44,160 in LA in the early 90s, I realized that the media will sell us anything 324 00:15:44,291 --> 00:15:47,207 to make a buck, regardless of whether it's healthy or not. 325 00:15:47,337 --> 00:15:49,383 Let's face it, every beer commercial 326 00:15:49,513 --> 00:15:52,560 you've ever seen is a bunch of ripped-up guys 327 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:54,301 on a beach playing volleyball because 328 00:15:54,431 --> 00:15:55,955 that's what beer drinkers look like. 329 00:15:56,085 --> 00:15:59,045 [intense music] 330 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:03,179 If you have ripped up abs or you have 331 00:16:03,310 --> 00:16:06,661 a nice set of shoulders, they want you 332 00:16:06,791 --> 00:16:09,011 modeling everything in the infomercials. 333 00:16:09,142 --> 00:16:11,448 It was the heyday of the infomercial. 334 00:16:11,579 --> 00:16:13,842 [male announcer] If we think fat, then we are. 335 00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:15,583 [woman] Fad diets, powders, pills, 336 00:16:15,713 --> 00:16:17,889 still my weight's been up and down like a yo-yo 337 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:19,543 until the Ayds Plan taught me how to 338 00:16:19,674 --> 00:16:21,371 take off weight and help keep it off. 339 00:16:21,502 --> 00:16:23,330 Just 20 minutes a day will turn 340 00:16:23,460 --> 00:16:25,680 your body into a calorie burning furnace. 341 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:28,422 We were coming into this age of, hey, 342 00:16:28,552 --> 00:16:30,728 if you just do what I tell you, 343 00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:34,732 you can look like this guy or this woman in just a few weeks. 344 00:16:34,863 --> 00:16:38,258 Dexatrim did it, I lost weight and feel great! 345 00:16:38,388 --> 00:16:40,695 Nobody wanted the truth, they just wanted 346 00:16:40,825 --> 00:16:43,002 a lie that they could get everyone to believe. 347 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:45,439 [man] Now you can lose weight without diets... 348 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:47,136 No, this product really doesn't work. 349 00:16:47,267 --> 00:16:48,398 ...without pills. 350 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:50,096 No, that product really doesn't work. 351 00:16:50,226 --> 00:16:51,967 ...without exercise. 352 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:53,534 Well, what does work? 353 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:54,796 [man] Now you can lose weight 354 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:56,276 just by watching television. 355 00:16:56,406 --> 00:16:58,626 So I learned very quickly, be careful 356 00:16:58,756 --> 00:16:59,627 as to what you advertise. 357 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:01,890 [upbeat music] 358 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:11,552 The 1920s and 30s it was a lot different, 359 00:17:11,682 --> 00:17:14,120 we were learning a lot of things back then. 360 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:17,166 We were discovering vitamins for the first time. 361 00:17:17,297 --> 00:17:20,648 Uh, we also learned that food could heal 362 00:17:20,778 --> 00:17:22,780 and a lot of these therapies are what 363 00:17:22,911 --> 00:17:24,913 were being used to heal people. 364 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:28,656 They were using non-starchy, non-sugary diets 365 00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:32,703 to starve cancer in the 1920s and 30s. 366 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,792 Take Otto Warburg for instance. 367 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:37,360 He was doing cancer studies on rats. 368 00:17:37,708 --> 00:17:39,362 [jaunty music] 369 00:17:42,670 --> 00:17:44,367 He thought that the outcome would be 370 00:17:44,498 --> 00:17:46,804 that oxygen was what was fueling 371 00:17:46,935 --> 00:17:49,633 cancer cells to grow and what he learned 372 00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,419 with rats was that it was actually the sugar. 373 00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:54,247 ♪ Eat an apple everyday 374 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,140 His discovery was well known as 375 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:21,274 the Warburg Effect and it was shown to help 376 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:24,233 in somewhere near 80% of the cases 377 00:18:24,364 --> 00:18:27,193 of people who had cancer. Why does it feel like 378 00:18:27,323 --> 00:18:28,672 no one knows this information? 379 00:18:28,803 --> 00:18:32,850 -[jaunty music] -[liquid bubbles] 380 00:18:32,981 --> 00:18:35,114 We were making these discoveries. 381 00:18:35,244 --> 00:18:38,029 So what else contributed to them not taking hold? 382 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,771 We had a Great Depression and then we had a war, 383 00:18:40,902 --> 00:18:44,253 a lot of people were having trouble putting food in their mouth, period, 384 00:18:44,384 --> 00:18:47,909 so I don't think people were caring that much about their health, people were just 385 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:50,912 trying to eat anything, people didn't eat out as much. 386 00:18:51,042 --> 00:18:53,132 We made home-made dressings, you didn't have 387 00:18:53,262 --> 00:18:55,525 dressings that were full of processed oils 388 00:18:55,656 --> 00:18:58,180 and we weren't adding high-fructose corn syrup 389 00:18:58,311 --> 00:19:02,576 to everything that we ate, we ate real whole foods 390 00:19:02,706 --> 00:19:04,273 that were cooked at home. 391 00:19:04,404 --> 00:19:06,623 Even fast food was different back 392 00:19:06,754 --> 00:19:10,236 in the 1940s and 50s. If you had french fries 393 00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:13,108 they were made from rendered animal fat. 394 00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:16,285 Basically beef tallow, which was a better way 395 00:19:16,416 --> 00:19:19,245 to cook junk food, so even our junk food 396 00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:22,422 was better in the 1940s and 50s and 60s. 397 00:19:22,552 --> 00:19:24,989 [dramatic music] 398 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:30,169 It wasn't until we got to the 1950s 399 00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:33,172 where people start to become more prosperous. 400 00:19:36,262 --> 00:19:38,046 We saw the advent of TV dinners 401 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,482 and other stuff and more sugar 402 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:42,006 and processed foods came from everywhere. 403 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:48,491 But what really happens happened in 1955 404 00:19:48,622 --> 00:19:51,581 when one of the most popular Presidents of our time, 405 00:19:51,712 --> 00:19:54,323 Dwight D. Eisenhower, had a heart attack. 406 00:19:56,543 --> 00:19:58,371 [reporter] News of President Eisenhower's 407 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:00,329 sudden illness, described by his doctors 408 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:03,724 as coronary thrombosis, came as a severe shock to us all. 409 00:20:03,854 --> 00:20:07,380 Films of President Eisenhower made just before his heart attack 410 00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:11,253 are dramatic evidence of the suddenness of the illness that shocked the nation. 411 00:20:11,384 --> 00:20:13,037 [narrator] President Eisenhower's heart attack... 412 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:14,343 [typewriter clacks] 413 00:20:23,526 --> 00:20:26,225 Well, if he could die, what could happen to me? 414 00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:27,835 You have to understand, this is a period 415 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:30,316 in the 1950s when America is in 416 00:20:30,446 --> 00:20:33,057 a complete panic about the rising tide of heart disease. 417 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:35,408 Before that, we never thought about heart attacks, 418 00:20:35,538 --> 00:20:37,627 we never thought about health and fitness, 419 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,455 we didn't think abut the food we were eating. 420 00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:42,632 No one back in the 1950s knew what 421 00:20:42,763 --> 00:20:45,374 their cholesterol score was, much less 422 00:20:45,505 --> 00:20:47,768 even knew what the world cholesterol meant. 423 00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:50,336 [jaunty music] 424 00:21:05,351 --> 00:21:07,875 Cholesterol is kind of a fat type molecule, 425 00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:10,660 it's in all of our cells, 30 trillion cells. 426 00:21:10,791 --> 00:21:12,488 Cholesterol is actually so important 427 00:21:12,619 --> 00:21:14,447 to the body that it actually makes 428 00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:16,623 the majority of cholesterol that's in your blood 429 00:21:16,753 --> 00:21:19,147 right now, most of the dietary cholesterol 430 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:22,193 you eat will go through you and very little 431 00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:24,326 actually gets absorbed, and of that cholesterol 432 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:27,764 you find in the blood, most of it was made by your liver. 433 00:21:27,895 --> 00:21:30,158 [narrator] It is an essential of nerve tissue for instance... 434 00:21:41,169 --> 00:21:44,433 If you eat more cholesterol, your body will make less, if you eat less 435 00:21:44,564 --> 00:21:47,306 your body will make more, which makes it very interesting 436 00:21:47,436 --> 00:21:49,786 that it was maligned in the past few decades. 437 00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:52,398 Heart disease had been rare in 438 00:21:52,528 --> 00:21:54,791 the early 1900s and had really risen 439 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,272 since the late 1920s to be the number one 440 00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:59,318 killer disease by the 1950s. 441 00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:02,016 We took a collective gasp in this country. 442 00:22:02,146 --> 00:22:04,235 We didn't wanna have another President die in office. 443 00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:06,150 Just imagine your President not being 444 00:22:06,281 --> 00:22:08,805 in the Oval Office for ten days and he's in bed. 445 00:22:08,936 --> 00:22:10,503 Besides, this guy was very popular, 446 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:13,070 people wanted to find out what caused it. 447 00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:15,725 Could it have been his diet, and if so, 448 00:22:15,856 --> 00:22:18,075 what was he eating and how can we change it? 449 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:22,341 This is also the time when the media was more prevalent. 450 00:22:22,471 --> 00:22:24,604 [narrator] Motion picture cameras join newspaper reporters 451 00:22:24,647 --> 00:22:26,388 in the old State Department building 452 00:22:26,432 --> 00:22:29,043 for an historic Presidential press conference. 453 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:31,437 The first ever filmed in sound by newsreel cameramen. 454 00:22:31,567 --> 00:22:33,352 I see we're trying a new experiment 455 00:22:33,482 --> 00:22:35,658 this morning, I hope it doesn't prove 456 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:37,138 to be a disturbing influence. 457 00:22:37,921 --> 00:22:39,923 [jaunty music] 458 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,019 The power of media, you can't really 459 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:52,632 tell that story without telling the story of Oprah Winfrey. 460 00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:57,680 It was 1993 and by happenstance, I was put up for an appearance on Oprah. 461 00:22:57,811 --> 00:23:01,510 They needed someone the next day. They were looking for younger men who were dating 462 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:06,210 older women and since my girlfriend was seven years older at the time, I was invited on. 463 00:23:06,341 --> 00:23:09,692 I wasn't into it, I had no idea what really happened on Oprah, 464 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,651 but I was told no, you have to do it, 465 00:23:11,781 --> 00:23:13,392 it'll be great for your career. 466 00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:15,394 So they fly me to Chicago and I get 467 00:23:15,524 --> 00:23:17,396 to the green room, I was introduced 468 00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:18,788 to a woman named Doe. 469 00:23:20,616 --> 00:23:24,403 The theme of the show was younger men 470 00:23:24,533 --> 00:23:26,753 who were dating older women. 471 00:23:26,883 --> 00:23:28,407 Older women having the courage 472 00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:29,712 to live their dreams and fulfill 473 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,453 their fantasies and live their lives 474 00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:33,542 exactly the way they wanted to, 475 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:36,850 including dating younger men. 476 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:41,202 Doe said that I would have to pretend 477 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:44,379 that I was dating her and I said what are you talking about? 478 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:46,773 My guests today, they're all members 479 00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:49,863 of a provocative new kind of dating service. 480 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:52,300 [Vinnie] I told her that I would not go on stage 481 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,041 and lie, that I would go on stage 482 00:23:54,171 --> 00:23:55,825 and sit next to Doe, but I would not say 483 00:23:55,956 --> 00:23:58,132 that we dated, I quickly realized 484 00:23:58,262 --> 00:24:00,482 that I had been bamboozled, because Doe 485 00:24:00,613 --> 00:24:01,875 introduced me as her boyfriend. 486 00:24:02,005 --> 00:24:04,051 I'd like you meet Vinnie Tortorich, 487 00:24:04,181 --> 00:24:06,009 he's a Beverly Hills fitness expert, 488 00:24:06,140 --> 00:24:08,490 he's hot, sweet, he loves women 489 00:24:08,621 --> 00:24:10,666 and he's emotionally accessible. 490 00:24:10,797 --> 00:24:12,233 -Ah, get out of here. -[audience laughs] 491 00:24:12,363 --> 00:24:13,713 I couldn't believe what was happening 492 00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:17,107 and at that moment, I said to myself, 493 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:20,937 I'm gonna turn this into not the Oprah show but the Vinnie show. 494 00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:22,939 Number one, women don't even hit 495 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:25,376 their sexual prime until they hit 40, 496 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,422 they don't even know what's going on until they're 40! 497 00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:28,684 [audience cheers] 498 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,035 I've been dating older women-- 499 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,560 -Gee, I'm only 39! -[audience laughs] 500 00:24:34,690 --> 00:24:37,867 I'm gonna make this show so bad that they won't possibly 501 00:24:37,911 --> 00:24:39,913 be able to run it on national television. 502 00:24:40,043 --> 00:24:42,437 You wanna be with an older woman, it's the difference between riding in 503 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,571 a Volkswagen and a Cadillac. If you wanna ride in a Volkswagen, 504 00:24:45,701 --> 00:24:47,007 go right ahead, if you want the Cadillac, 505 00:24:47,137 --> 00:24:49,009 -go for an older woman. -Well, now-- 506 00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:51,272 [audience cheers] 507 00:24:51,402 --> 00:24:53,056 It turned into a circus, the people 508 00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:55,972 in the audience actually believed all this. 509 00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:57,713 Doe and I had just met. 510 00:24:57,844 --> 00:25:00,107 It was like the audience was participating 511 00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:01,891 in this huge game of Mad Libs. 512 00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:03,371 Two different generations. 513 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,504 How was school, oh I learned arithmetic. 514 00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:07,680 I don't see how two people can have something in common 515 00:25:07,723 --> 00:25:08,942 if they're not the same age. 516 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:10,334 It seems like people are treating this 517 00:25:10,378 --> 00:25:11,466 like some sort of fetish. 518 00:25:11,597 --> 00:25:12,423 What could you possible 519 00:25:12,467 --> 00:25:13,337 have in common? 520 00:25:13,468 --> 00:25:14,513 Let's say Cher 521 00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:15,514 walked into the room 522 00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:17,472 and said she had to have you. 523 00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:20,170 [audience laughs and cheers] 524 00:25:21,215 --> 00:25:23,391 Sally, get Cher on the phone! 525 00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,916 I ended up asking Cher out on a date 526 00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:29,528 -during the show. -Cher is on the phone. 527 00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:31,573 Cher, my name is Vinnie Tortorich and... 528 00:25:31,704 --> 00:25:32,531 [audience laughs] 529 00:25:33,923 --> 00:25:35,272 I wanna say this in front of the whole country. 530 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:36,709 -Is the camera on me? -Yeah, the cameras on you. 531 00:25:36,752 --> 00:25:40,016 Cher, I live in Beverly Hills, let's get together 532 00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:43,106 and have lunch, I'll have my agent call your agent, and we'll do it 533 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,455 because we'll have a great time. 534 00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:46,806 No matter how outlandish I got, 535 00:25:46,936 --> 00:25:48,329 they seemed to enjoy it more and more. 536 00:25:48,459 --> 00:25:50,505 What I wanna know is from the ladies 537 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:53,073 in the audience, should I have lunch with this guy? 538 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:55,728 As a matter of fact, you can see Oprah, 539 00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:57,773 Oprah started dancing in the aisles. 540 00:25:57,904 --> 00:25:59,601 [audience cheers] 541 00:26:01,908 --> 00:26:03,779 The show ended and I went back to LA 542 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:05,738 and I just assumed, well that show's gonna bomb. 543 00:26:05,868 --> 00:26:07,957 As of last year, it was the seventh 544 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:10,612 highest rated show in Oprah's history. 545 00:26:10,743 --> 00:26:13,093 People still recognize me for it today 546 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,574 and virtually none of it was true. 547 00:26:15,704 --> 00:26:18,185 I took that realization that media 548 00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:19,316 can change everything. 549 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:23,146 Eisenhower has a heart attack and he wants 550 00:26:23,277 --> 00:26:24,713 the whole country to know that this 551 00:26:24,844 --> 00:26:26,976 -was a real issue. -I am happy the doctors 552 00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:31,590 have given me at least a parole if not a pardon 553 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,594 and I expect to be back at my accustomed duties 554 00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:37,857 although they say I must ease my way 555 00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:40,468 into 'em and not bulldoze my way into 'em. 556 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,339 But the media had other ideas. 557 00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:44,603 They have their own agenda, ah, 558 00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:46,605 he had the common cold of heart attacks, 559 00:26:46,735 --> 00:26:48,171 he didn't really have a bad one. 560 00:26:48,302 --> 00:26:50,086 The media was trying to show him 561 00:26:50,217 --> 00:26:52,611 on the golf course, having a great round of golf. 562 00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:54,961 [balls whack] 563 00:26:55,526 --> 00:26:59,443 It was thought that diet was the cause. He was also like a four pack a day smoker. 564 00:26:59,574 --> 00:27:02,490 [laughs] Which may very well have given him his heart attack. 565 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,623 [narrator] Yes, according to this survey, 566 00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:08,061 more doctors smoke Camel than any other cigarette. 567 00:27:08,191 --> 00:27:09,671 Try Camels yourself. 568 00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:12,413 Right around that time, enters Ancel Keys. 569 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,635 [Nina] Ancel Keys was a pathologist 570 00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,332 at the University of Minnesota. 571 00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:23,554 He got the idea in the 1950s that saturated fat 572 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,383 and cholesterol were what caused heart diseases. 573 00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:32,172 It strikes without warning. Of ten men, we can expect five to get it. 574 00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:35,349 [thuds] 575 00:27:35,958 --> 00:27:40,571 But we can't say who or when or why. 576 00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:44,663 Ancel Keys was this incredibly persuasive person. 577 00:27:44,793 --> 00:27:49,145 He had a really outsized belief in his own ideas. 578 00:27:49,276 --> 00:27:52,105 [Ancel] The facts are simple, you know the chief killer 579 00:27:52,235 --> 00:27:54,803 of Americans is cardiovascular disease. 580 00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:57,719 Disorders and degeneration of the heart and blood vessels. 581 00:27:59,634 --> 00:28:01,288 Here are vital statistics. 582 00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:06,336 They show that this problem here in America is the worst in the world. 583 00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:08,687 Ancel Keys was famous for something 584 00:28:08,817 --> 00:28:10,427 called the Seven Countries Study. 585 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:11,733 This is where he went and studied 586 00:28:11,864 --> 00:28:14,867 seven different countries and came up with 587 00:28:14,997 --> 00:28:18,000 this hypothesis as to how we're supposed to eat 588 00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:19,436 based on correlation. 589 00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:21,090 Ancel Keys is the one who proposed 590 00:28:21,221 --> 00:28:22,701 what he called the Diet Heart Hypothesis 591 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:26,008 and that was that saturated fat and cholesterol, 592 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:28,750 dietary cholesterol would give you a heart attack, 593 00:28:28,881 --> 00:28:32,754 especially saturated fat, like hot oil 594 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:35,017 down a cold stove pipe, it would just 595 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:37,280 clog up your arteries and give you a heart attack. 596 00:28:37,411 --> 00:28:39,718 The problem is, he cherry picked 597 00:28:39,848 --> 00:28:42,503 these countries to fit what he was 598 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:44,592 trying to hypothesize and set out 599 00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:46,246 to prove that the more calories you got 600 00:28:46,376 --> 00:28:47,726 from fat, the better chance you had 601 00:28:47,856 --> 00:28:49,553 of getting heart disease. 602 00:28:49,684 --> 00:28:51,686 It seemed like a straight line between 603 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,471 the least fat consumed and the most fat consumed 604 00:28:54,602 --> 00:28:55,908 with the US at the top. 605 00:28:56,473 --> 00:28:59,999 The only problem is, Key studied 22 countries 606 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:01,827 and if you factor in all of those countries, 607 00:29:01,957 --> 00:29:03,829 the results are all over the place. 608 00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:06,483 He just took the seven countries 609 00:29:06,614 --> 00:29:09,312 that proved his point that fat causes heart disease. 610 00:29:09,443 --> 00:29:11,793 This study made Keys the temporary savior 611 00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:14,622 of the medical community, and therefore, the world. 612 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,755 Such that he was able to get on 613 00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:19,627 to the American Heart Association Nutrition Committee 614 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,890 and he turned the whole Association around 615 00:29:22,021 --> 00:29:24,806 in one year and got them, in 1961 616 00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:27,200 to recommend that all Americans 617 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:29,768 restrict saturated fat and cholesterol 618 00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:32,248 in their diets in order to fight heart disease. 619 00:29:49,483 --> 00:29:52,268 This is the first advice anywhere in the world 620 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,575 telling people not to eat saturated fat 621 00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:56,838 and cholesterol to fight heart attacks 622 00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:59,145 that's like the beginning of it all. 623 00:29:59,275 --> 00:30:02,017 That is what just blossomed, bloomed, 624 00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:05,325 grew into the giant oak tree of advice that we have now. 625 00:30:05,455 --> 00:30:08,676 We have no credible evidence to say 626 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:11,461 that saturated fat causes heart disease 627 00:30:11,592 --> 00:30:14,073 and that sounds crazy to say when you look 628 00:30:14,203 --> 00:30:16,815 at our Government guidelines and our dietary guidelines, 629 00:30:16,945 --> 00:30:20,688 but there is no high level, credible evidence 630 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:24,387 to show that saturated fat causes heart disease. 631 00:30:24,518 --> 00:30:25,649 The interesting thing about Key's 632 00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:27,826 he got virtually everything wrong, 633 00:30:27,956 --> 00:30:31,220 but it never infected his humility. 634 00:30:31,351 --> 00:30:34,180 [epic music] 635 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:35,529 We're living in a time right now 636 00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:37,096 when we've had a narcissistic term 637 00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:39,011 people are very primitive and narcissistic 638 00:30:39,141 --> 00:30:40,403 a lot of injuries in childhood, 639 00:30:40,534 --> 00:30:43,363 and it has caused us to, umm, perhaps not 640 00:30:43,493 --> 00:30:45,452 have the most secure sense of self 641 00:30:45,582 --> 00:30:48,194 and identity. People attach themselves 642 00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:50,936 to one particular approach to diet 643 00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:53,373 and it develops into an identity 644 00:30:53,503 --> 00:30:56,680 around which people maintain a religious 645 00:30:56,811 --> 00:30:59,683 intensity, they defend it as though 646 00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:02,599 any question in their dogma is like 647 00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:04,645 you're questioning their religious dogma 648 00:31:04,775 --> 00:31:07,909 or threatening their very sense of the fabric of reality and so 649 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,348 we start looking around for things to attach ourselves to and political groups, 650 00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:16,135 religious organizations, different diet fads. 651 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:18,615 We attach ourselves to these groups 652 00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:21,096 and we look to the groups for our identity 653 00:31:21,227 --> 00:31:23,882 so our going forward in life is somehow 654 00:31:24,012 --> 00:31:25,884 threatened by somebody saying, 655 00:31:26,014 --> 00:31:27,929 hey maybe fat's not so bad for you. 656 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:32,586 It's positively comedic but it's becoming ridiculous. 657 00:31:32,716 --> 00:31:34,980 The United States' coronary heart disease 658 00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:38,505 is so common that you all wanna have to do 659 00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:41,334 to study the complete natural history 660 00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:43,902 of the disease is to take a sample of men, 661 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:47,949 any sample of men that are known healthy follow them, wait a little while, 662 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,082 and a lot of them will have coronary heart disease. 663 00:31:50,212 --> 00:31:53,041 But it wasn't very long before it appeared 664 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:56,001 there was some connection between 665 00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:58,917 coronary heart disease and cholesterol in the blood. 666 00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:02,398 No question, we hear over and over and over again 667 00:32:02,529 --> 00:32:04,574 that cholesterol equals mortality. 668 00:32:04,705 --> 00:32:06,446 We've seen it in the commercials. 669 00:32:06,576 --> 00:32:07,969 Fleischmann's margarine! 670 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,579 It's the only leading margarine made 671 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:12,582 from 100% corn oil, it has no cholesterol! 672 00:32:12,713 --> 00:32:15,063 [Dave] We've heard about it from our doctor. 673 00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,761 [Doctor] Over time, the build up on the walls of veins and arteries 674 00:32:17,892 --> 00:32:19,938 helping to clog them, restricting blood flow, 675 00:32:20,068 --> 00:32:22,331 it's what causes heart attacks and strokes. 676 00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:25,726 We've heard about it plenty of times from our friends and our family, 677 00:32:25,856 --> 00:32:29,817 and because of that, we tend to think it's just simply the truth. 678 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:32,559 It certainly has the degree of repetition that we would expect. 679 00:32:32,689 --> 00:32:35,388 In the 60s and 70s we were focusing 680 00:32:35,518 --> 00:32:38,217 more on the specific types of cholesterol, 681 00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:43,483 LDL and HDL and LDL became known as the bad cholesterol 682 00:32:43,613 --> 00:32:47,139 and all of a sudden, medicine was focused on LDL. 683 00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:49,706 It was noticed that higher cholesterol 684 00:32:49,837 --> 00:32:52,057 in the blood appeared to correlate 685 00:32:52,187 --> 00:32:54,973 or track with higher heart disease rates. 686 00:32:55,103 --> 00:32:58,977 [man] Cholesterol is carried in the blood by proteins called low density lipoproteins, 687 00:32:59,107 --> 00:33:01,631 or LDLs, the more cholesterol we eat 688 00:33:01,762 --> 00:33:04,156 the more the number of LDLs, and that's dangerous. 689 00:33:04,286 --> 00:33:06,375 So essentially, the idea was developed 690 00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:08,116 that the higher cholesterol was getting 691 00:33:08,247 --> 00:33:10,901 in to your arteries and was causing 692 00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:12,381 the arterial disease. 693 00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:15,906 Because the higher that lipoprotein level goes 694 00:33:16,037 --> 00:33:17,647 the greater the risk of heart disease. 695 00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:21,129 There are some studies that show a correlation. 696 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,044 Does that mean causation, and this 697 00:33:23,175 --> 00:33:25,525 is a very important differentiation 698 00:33:25,655 --> 00:33:28,745 that is too infrequently made. 699 00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:30,443 Because something is correlated, 700 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:32,575 doesn't mean it is the cause. 701 00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:35,013 So if high cholesterol is present 702 00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:37,624 in people who are having heart disease 703 00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:39,191 we have to look a little further 704 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:41,715 as to why that is and if there are other factors. 705 00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:43,717 When you really look at the studies 706 00:33:43,847 --> 00:33:46,415 and you crunch the data, LDL is not 707 00:33:46,546 --> 00:33:48,417 the best marker for heart disease. 708 00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:51,333 What's even more powerful, are your ratios. 709 00:33:51,464 --> 00:33:54,467 So whether it's your total cholesterol to HDL ratio 710 00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:57,122 or your triglyceride to HDL ratio. 711 00:33:57,252 --> 00:34:01,256 Those have better predictive value than LDL itself. 712 00:34:01,387 --> 00:34:04,042 The ratios indicate your level 713 00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:07,132 of insulin sensitivity or insulin resistance 714 00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:08,916 so the best cholesterol measures 715 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,092 are not actually even talking about 716 00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:14,182 a cholesterol thing, they are indirectly 717 00:34:14,313 --> 00:34:16,445 talking about insulin resistance and health. 718 00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:21,711 A lot of the fat research, well look we saw fat in the coronary arteries 719 00:34:21,842 --> 00:34:24,279 and we thought that fat must be coming from somewhere, it must come from 720 00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:25,976 circulating fat and that must come from 721 00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:29,023 ingested fat, it was a very simplistic kind of idea. 722 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:34,159 The contrary opinion, the alternative hypothesis 723 00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:37,075 which has been around for, ooh, a couple 724 00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:40,078 of hundred years, is that we get fat 725 00:34:40,208 --> 00:34:43,168 because we eat carbohydrates like pasta 726 00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:45,083 potatoes, bread, they used to be called 727 00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:49,957 simple carbohydrates, uhm, now the terminology 728 00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:51,611 is changing to adjust to the fact 729 00:34:51,741 --> 00:34:53,961 that a lot of people think maybe these 730 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,615 starches as my mother called them 731 00:34:55,745 --> 00:34:57,182 are not quite so good for us. 732 00:34:57,312 --> 00:35:01,186 We focused in, just by timing and bad luck 733 00:35:01,316 --> 00:35:04,493 on this idea that saturated fat causes heart disease 734 00:35:04,624 --> 00:35:06,191 and we bought into it even though 735 00:35:06,321 --> 00:35:09,716 the evidence ultimately didn't really support it 736 00:35:09,846 --> 00:35:13,763 and we made everything else we believed 737 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:17,115 about diet have to be reconciled with that. 738 00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:21,031 [narrator] Dr. Keys singling out of excessive... 739 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:29,301 In front of us, day by day, are 740 00:35:29,431 --> 00:35:34,088 increasingly more and more very tempting foods. 741 00:35:34,219 --> 00:35:38,179 In the mid-1960s, John Yudkin comes on the scene, he's a British scientist. 742 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,268 He thinks sugar's the problem. 743 00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:42,792 [jaunty music] 744 00:35:43,663 --> 00:35:46,622 When people have heart disease, they don't just have elevated cholesterol. 745 00:35:46,753 --> 00:35:49,495 In fact they often don't have elevated cholesterol, 746 00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:52,585 they have a whole cluster of metabolic abnormalities. 747 00:35:52,715 --> 00:35:55,196 10, 15, 20 things you could measure 748 00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:58,765 and Yudkin was saying if I feed animals sugar 749 00:35:58,895 --> 00:36:00,854 or I feed college students that I'm using 750 00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:02,551 in my experiments, sugar, I could cause 751 00:36:02,682 --> 00:36:04,118 pretty much all of these things 752 00:36:04,249 --> 00:36:05,598 just by giving them a lot of sugar. 753 00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,382 [jaunty music] 754 00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:09,950 So you're apt to say 2 or 300 years ago, 755 00:36:09,993 --> 00:36:11,256 the average consumption 756 00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:13,954 of sugar in this country was about 757 00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:16,435 four pounds a year and that's splendid, 758 00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:18,045 I'd be very happy if everybody had 759 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,699 four pounds of sugar a year. 760 00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:21,657 They eat a hundred pounds. 761 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:24,356 [typewriter clacks] 762 00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:34,192 [narrator] Moreover, many sugar containing foods, cakes, candies, cookies, 763 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:36,106 chocolate, ice cream, various kinds 764 00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:38,283 of puddings, also contain fat. 765 00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:41,242 You always eat some fat, so if you eat 766 00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:44,202 high carb foods, you raise your blood glucose 767 00:36:44,332 --> 00:36:47,466 you raise your fat storing hormone insulin 768 00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:49,511 and you're gonna store the fat that you eat. 769 00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:51,339 It's all individual how much 770 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,951 you can tolerate, but if you eat more 771 00:36:55,082 --> 00:36:58,085 than your body can tolerate, then you will 772 00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,130 most likely gain weight, gain fat. 773 00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:03,308 [typewriter clacks] 774 00:37:14,188 --> 00:37:16,234 And instead of looking at it, 775 00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:18,714 Ancel Keys just jumps right on top of it 776 00:37:18,845 --> 00:37:22,631 in the media and turns this guy into a nut job. 777 00:37:22,762 --> 00:37:25,808 Keys was really a bully when it came to 778 00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:28,246 trying to quash anybody who opposed him. 779 00:37:28,376 --> 00:37:30,248 Ancel Keys wasn't gonna let anyone 780 00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:32,162 come in and rain on his parade. 781 00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:35,818 He published a nine page rebuttal 782 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:37,907 in a journal called Atherosclerosis, 783 00:37:38,038 --> 00:37:40,823 in print, he said Yudkin is a "mountain of nonsense." 784 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:44,174 [typewriter clacks] 785 00:37:49,528 --> 00:37:51,530 ...in the etiology of heart disease. 786 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,445 Keys and his colleagues managed 787 00:37:53,575 --> 00:37:56,099 to paint Yudkin as a quack and portray Yudkin 788 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:58,232 and his sugar theory as quackery 789 00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:01,148 and to say there is absolutely no evidence to support it. 790 00:38:03,063 --> 00:38:04,369 [typewriter clacks] 791 00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:14,509 Keys was more-- had more political influence and more savvy maybe 792 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,730 than Yudkin and somehow, this dietary, and we were 793 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:20,776 spending money testing the dietary fat hypothesis 794 00:38:20,907 --> 00:38:23,997 so even though the tests weren't confirming it, 795 00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:25,955 the more money they spent, the more people 796 00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:28,697 were wedded to the hypothesis having to be right. 797 00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:31,744 These studies are extremely expensive 798 00:38:31,874 --> 00:38:34,050 and there have been enough good studies done 799 00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:36,444 to support our moderate approach, 800 00:38:36,575 --> 00:38:39,142 which is looking at balanced foods, 801 00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:43,016 vegetables, fruits, grains, and lean meat and dairy products. 802 00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:46,324 The argument once again is it has to be tested 803 00:38:46,454 --> 00:38:48,543 when you believe it's wrong, Prima facie, 804 00:38:48,674 --> 00:38:50,284 you're not gonna spend the money to test it. 805 00:38:50,415 --> 00:38:52,504 Why are these nutrition scientist 806 00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:55,115 just not more curious about other ideas? 807 00:38:55,245 --> 00:38:56,769 I was at a conference recently 808 00:38:56,899 --> 00:38:58,510 where we talked about a low carb study 809 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,860 where they reversed the diagnosis 810 00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:04,342 of diabetes for, it was a large university-based study 811 00:39:04,472 --> 00:39:06,735 in just one year, on a very low-carb diet 812 00:39:06,866 --> 00:39:10,217 and one of them said wait what, diabetes reversal, 813 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:12,828 wow, how'd you do that, can you just explain your study a little bit to us 814 00:39:12,959 --> 00:39:15,309 because that's what we, as nutrition experts 815 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,832 we really need to do in America. 816 00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:19,357 [laughs] And I actually got up to ask 817 00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:20,967 a question from the audience I said-- 818 00:39:21,097 --> 00:39:23,622 I said, did you hear that, that was 60% reversal 819 00:39:23,752 --> 00:39:26,755 of diabetes, should that not be headline news 820 00:39:26,886 --> 00:39:28,453 and should you not be curious? 821 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,542 Why are you not even curious about these ideas? 822 00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:32,805 [Vinnie] You know it makes you think of stories 823 00:39:32,935 --> 00:39:34,241 like the McKenzie family. 824 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,156 Parents in South Dakota who realized 825 00:39:36,286 --> 00:39:38,463 they had to take matters into their own hands 826 00:39:38,593 --> 00:39:41,379 when their son lost five pounds in five days. 827 00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:44,251 I called the doctor that morning and I explained that I thought my son 828 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,775 had rapidly lost weight and something was wrong 829 00:39:46,906 --> 00:39:48,386 and we knew within five minutes 830 00:39:48,516 --> 00:39:50,300 of him doing a urine analysis test 831 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:52,346 that there was sugar in his urine 832 00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,914 and we were escorted to the hospital 833 00:39:55,044 --> 00:39:56,698 to learn how to manage our new life. 834 00:39:57,438 --> 00:39:58,961 [upbeat music] 835 00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:00,485 [Matt] We both concluded that we were 836 00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:03,009 gonna make drastic changes in our diet, 837 00:40:03,139 --> 00:40:04,924 reducing carbohydrate intake. 838 00:40:06,186 --> 00:40:07,927 Shortly thereafter, we were told 839 00:40:08,057 --> 00:40:09,581 that we didn't need to do that, 840 00:40:09,711 --> 00:40:12,801 that we could feed our son recently diagnosed 841 00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:15,108 with Type 1 diabetes whatever he wanted to eat. 842 00:40:15,238 --> 00:40:16,979 Take a look. 843 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:18,981 [Bethany] I'm trusting these people, who are now 844 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:20,418 in charge of caring for my son, 845 00:40:20,548 --> 00:40:22,420 and they're telling me give him pancakes 846 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,683 and give him french fries and cupcakes 847 00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:27,120 and pizza, because now that your kid 848 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:29,992 has this disease, his life is pretty crummy already 849 00:40:30,123 --> 00:40:31,603 and the worst thing you could do 850 00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:33,169 as a parent is to try and change his food. 851 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,042 I fed my kid the exact prescribed amount 852 00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:39,262 of carbohydrates, I pre-bolused his insulin 853 00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:41,482 I put a continuous glucose monitor on him 854 00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:43,658 I bought him a diabetes alert dog, 855 00:40:43,789 --> 00:40:46,139 I literally did everything in my own capacity 856 00:40:47,183 --> 00:40:50,143 to follow the guidelines and manage his disease 857 00:40:50,273 --> 00:40:51,405 and I failed miserably. 858 00:40:51,536 --> 00:40:53,451 -[Matt] Riv? -[kid wails] 859 00:40:55,975 --> 00:40:59,152 Do you want the yogurt, the tablets, or the gel? 860 00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:02,242 [Bethany] I put a big message out in the social media groups 861 00:41:02,372 --> 00:41:04,374 that I'm connected to in the diabetes community 862 00:41:04,505 --> 00:41:07,377 and I asked, how are you people achieving 863 00:41:07,508 --> 00:41:09,031 normal blood sugars, what are you doing? 864 00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,077 And about every fifth answer I got 865 00:41:11,207 --> 00:41:12,470 was that these people were changing 866 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,473 their children's diet and implementing 867 00:41:15,603 --> 00:41:16,735 a very, very low carb diet. 868 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:20,434 We removed all the processed carbs, 869 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:24,090 the flour, the sugar, the grains, the fruit 870 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:25,918 anything that would spike his blood sugar 871 00:41:26,048 --> 00:41:27,963 and so the next appointment we had 872 00:41:28,094 --> 00:41:30,009 with our endocrinologist I skipped in there 873 00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:31,227 like I had won the lottery. 874 00:41:31,358 --> 00:41:33,012 Oh my goodness, I stumbled upon 875 00:41:33,142 --> 00:41:36,145 a low-carb diet and look at my son's blood sugars 876 00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,278 and during that appointment, our very 877 00:41:38,408 --> 00:41:40,541 kind-hearted doctor looked at me 878 00:41:40,672 --> 00:41:42,891 and told me my son was going to resent me 879 00:41:43,022 --> 00:41:45,198 for the rest of his life, that this way 880 00:41:45,328 --> 00:41:47,505 of eating is not sustainable, that I'm 881 00:41:47,635 --> 00:41:49,985 subjecting my son to an eating disorder 882 00:41:50,116 --> 00:41:51,987 and he also handed me a business card 883 00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:55,121 to go see a therapist, uhm, because he thought 884 00:41:55,251 --> 00:41:57,253 maybe I was struggling with some things 885 00:41:57,384 --> 00:42:00,430 and had some issues for wanting to do this 886 00:42:00,561 --> 00:42:01,910 for my son and to change his diet. 887 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:04,478 And I'm told to follow these guidelines 888 00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:06,524 because without those carbohydrates, 889 00:42:06,654 --> 00:42:09,570 my child won't grow properly and his brain function 890 00:42:09,701 --> 00:42:11,877 will be compromised, so when you're a parent 891 00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:13,531 of a Type 1 and you're told 892 00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:15,533 the American Diabetes Association, 893 00:42:15,663 --> 00:42:18,318 this large governing body, that must know 894 00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:19,928 exactly what we're up against, 895 00:42:20,059 --> 00:42:23,062 they're recommending this, that's intimidating. 896 00:42:24,629 --> 00:42:26,544 We either had to either make a change 897 00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:28,850 or accept mediocre care. 898 00:42:28,981 --> 00:42:31,592 I'm an orthopedic surgeon, it seems now 899 00:42:31,723 --> 00:42:34,290 as if it's the patients that are trying 900 00:42:34,421 --> 00:42:36,728 to make the medical community aware 901 00:42:36,858 --> 00:42:38,599 of what they already know of what 902 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:42,603 the patients know, because they have tried 903 00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:46,128 to follow the rules as given to them and they failed. 904 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:48,740 When somebody comes to me with the belief 905 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:52,047 that they-- and they tell me, I believe your son 906 00:42:52,178 --> 00:42:53,571 is gonna do better if you feed them 907 00:42:53,701 --> 00:42:57,096 more carbohydrates, I know they're wrong. 908 00:42:57,226 --> 00:42:59,446 And when it comes to my son, I'm gonna do 909 00:42:59,577 --> 00:43:01,970 what I know as opposed to what they believe. 910 00:43:03,276 --> 00:43:05,931 Our son went from taking 45 to 50 911 00:43:06,061 --> 00:43:09,761 units of insulin every day to maybe 15 units of insulin. 912 00:43:09,891 --> 00:43:12,328 If you extrapolate that over every child 913 00:43:12,459 --> 00:43:14,026 with this disease, you're gonna understand 914 00:43:14,156 --> 00:43:16,245 that that's gonna have a marked effect 915 00:43:16,376 --> 00:43:18,987 on the profitability of the disease. 916 00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:22,208 I think we underestimate peoples ability 917 00:43:22,338 --> 00:43:24,602 to make a change, and I think if there were 918 00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:27,953 doctors and nurses and dieticians 919 00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:29,607 who were willing to give patients 920 00:43:29,737 --> 00:43:31,173 that option, I think the face 921 00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:32,566 of diabetes would be different. 922 00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:34,612 We're a very weird culture, because 923 00:43:34,742 --> 00:43:37,484 we have an endless amount of energy 924 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:39,355 to talk about almost everything, 925 00:43:39,486 --> 00:43:42,968 but when it comes to the core issues 926 00:43:43,098 --> 00:43:45,797 and the ones that just effect everything, 927 00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:48,495 such as family or such as diet, 928 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:52,107 we have-- you know, just went through an election. 929 00:43:52,238 --> 00:43:54,893 We talked about everything, but no one 930 00:43:55,023 --> 00:43:57,722 ever talked about diet or family or any of this stuff. 931 00:43:57,852 --> 00:44:01,508 Now you have kids with Type 2 diabetes you have fatty liver disease, 932 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,684 you have sleep apnea, none of this stuff 933 00:44:03,815 --> 00:44:06,861 existed before and if you think it's just old people 934 00:44:06,992 --> 00:44:09,472 using this, it's getting younger and younger 935 00:44:09,603 --> 00:44:11,344 -and younger. -It's an epidemic 936 00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:13,738 and it's one of those things, like hey, 937 00:44:13,868 --> 00:44:15,783 powers that be, hey folks in charge, 938 00:44:15,914 --> 00:44:18,264 let's, this is gonna break the bank. 939 00:44:18,394 --> 00:44:22,311 How do people scream all day about Medicare 940 00:44:22,442 --> 00:44:25,010 -and this doesn't come up? -It never comes up. 941 00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:26,707 Because it's not sexy, it doesn't work. 942 00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:29,231 You want votes, telling people 943 00:44:29,362 --> 00:44:33,235 like hard news, like, hey mom, you're poisoning your kid 944 00:44:33,366 --> 00:44:35,585 get your shit together, no votes for you. 945 00:44:37,892 --> 00:44:40,329 The current recommendations, it started in 946 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:43,463 the late 60s in response to a documentary 947 00:44:43,593 --> 00:44:46,335 that aired on CBS News called Hunger in America. 948 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,686 [reporter] This spring, a private agency, 949 00:44:48,816 --> 00:44:50,688 The Citizens' Board of Inquiry, 950 00:44:50,818 --> 00:44:52,907 released an exhaustive report claiming 951 00:44:53,038 --> 00:44:56,302 that serious hunger exists many places 952 00:44:56,432 --> 00:44:58,783 in the United States, out of a total population 953 00:44:58,913 --> 00:45:01,089 of 200 million, the report states, 954 00:45:01,220 --> 00:45:03,831 30 million Americans are impoverished. 955 00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:07,313 With family income below $3000 a year. 956 00:45:07,443 --> 00:45:09,315 Five million of these people are helped 957 00:45:09,445 --> 00:45:12,231 by two existing Federal food programs. 958 00:45:12,361 --> 00:45:14,886 Now, a new figure must be added. 959 00:45:15,016 --> 00:45:17,279 Of the 30 million who ae impoverished, 960 00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:19,891 10 million Americans, whether or not 961 00:45:20,021 --> 00:45:22,154 they are reached by Federal aid, are hungry. 962 00:45:22,284 --> 00:45:24,286 The Federal food program might be 963 00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:25,853 better administered by the Department 964 00:45:25,984 --> 00:45:27,942 of Health, Education and Welfare 965 00:45:28,073 --> 00:45:30,728 or by a special commission whose only concern 966 00:45:30,858 --> 00:45:33,643 would be to see that hungry Americans are fed. 967 00:45:33,774 --> 00:45:37,212 This leads right to 1968 and the McGovern Committee. 968 00:45:37,343 --> 00:45:38,910 Public calls to address the issue 969 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,999 of hunger had been building, ever since 970 00:45:41,129 --> 00:45:43,088 Robert F. Kennedy had toured the devastated 971 00:45:43,218 --> 00:45:44,611 slums of Mississippi. 972 00:45:44,742 --> 00:45:46,787 It's obviously as great a poverty 973 00:45:46,918 --> 00:45:48,920 as we've had and they're going to lead 974 00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:50,922 a very difficult, unhappy life 975 00:45:51,052 --> 00:45:52,837 for the rest of their existence. 976 00:45:52,967 --> 00:45:55,013 [Vinnie] But it was George McGovern, the Senator 977 00:45:55,143 --> 00:45:57,102 from South Dakota who would head a committee 978 00:45:57,232 --> 00:46:00,235 that started in 1968, privy to the poverty 979 00:46:00,366 --> 00:46:01,933 that the nation was now aware of, 980 00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:03,761 the former director of Food for Peace 981 00:46:03,891 --> 00:46:06,024 in JFK's administration was intent 982 00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:08,853 on bringing change that would eventually effect all of us. 983 00:46:08,983 --> 00:46:13,553 It's always bothered me to see hungry people 984 00:46:13,683 --> 00:46:15,773 in the world, I like to eat. 985 00:46:17,035 --> 00:46:20,473 If we are to save ourselves in this country 986 00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:23,693 it seems to me that a radical restructuring 987 00:46:23,824 --> 00:46:28,263 of our policies and priorities is absolutely necessary. 988 00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:31,832 [solemn music] 989 00:46:31,963 --> 00:46:34,487 [narrator] There is nothing more to say, really. 990 00:46:34,617 --> 00:46:38,099 Senator Kennedy died at 1.44 this evening. 991 00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:39,361 [gunshots] 992 00:46:41,189 --> 00:46:42,756 We've got to draw the line at violence, 993 00:46:42,887 --> 00:46:44,976 so I have mixed emotions, I'm supporting 994 00:46:45,106 --> 00:46:47,282 the President as he tries to bring this war to a close. 995 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,981 [Paul] It was quite sad, really, to break up 996 00:46:50,111 --> 00:46:52,374 with the Beatles, 'cause to see it just fall apart was sad. 997 00:46:55,073 --> 00:46:56,422 [reporter] We have a mystery story 998 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:58,163 out of Washington, five people 999 00:46:58,293 --> 00:46:59,817 have been arrested and charged with breaking 1000 00:46:59,947 --> 00:47:01,383 into the headquarters of the Democratic National 1001 00:47:01,514 --> 00:47:02,820 Committee in the middle of the night. 1002 00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:06,084 When you think of 1972, 1973, 1003 00:47:06,214 --> 00:47:08,651 we're still in Vietnam, it's not a popular war. 1004 00:47:08,782 --> 00:47:13,700 -[crowd chanting] -Then 1972 comes around and we have Watergate. 1005 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,702 People have gotta know whether or not 1006 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,139 their President's a crook, well I'm not a crook. 1007 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:21,708 People were just in a haze about diet. 1008 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,363 No one was really paying attention to this McGovern Committee, 1009 00:47:24,493 --> 00:47:26,365 we had bigger problems. 1010 00:47:26,495 --> 00:47:28,933 -[crowd cheers] -This complacency at the time 1011 00:47:29,063 --> 00:47:31,718 is what allowed these health myths to seep in. 1012 00:47:32,937 --> 00:47:34,852 As you know, I represent all sorts 1013 00:47:34,982 --> 00:47:37,419 of delicious things, greasy bacon, 1014 00:47:38,638 --> 00:47:41,467 potato chips, french fries, potatoes, 1015 00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:45,166 fatty meats and gobs of butter on everything. 1016 00:47:45,297 --> 00:47:47,516 -[crowd cheers] -Now as you know, us fats 1017 00:47:47,647 --> 00:47:49,475 separately are just little guys, 1018 00:47:49,605 --> 00:47:51,999 but put us all together and what do you have? 1019 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:53,348 You have millions of calories, 1020 00:47:53,479 --> 00:47:55,002 that's what, I have to store those 1021 00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:57,439 calories as fat and I can't take it anymore. 1022 00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:00,355 I'm getting bigger and bigger and bigger! 1023 00:48:00,486 --> 00:48:02,096 And the bigger he gets, the harder 1024 00:48:02,227 --> 00:48:03,881 his heart cells have to work, Mr. Fat, 1025 00:48:04,011 --> 00:48:04,882 you're a real killer! 1026 00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:08,276 [Vinnie] You know, I don't know the answer, but why is it 1027 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,235 whenever a new study comes out, it's always 1028 00:48:10,365 --> 00:48:13,325 talking about how food is gonna kill you? 1029 00:48:13,455 --> 00:48:14,892 I think that's a major misdirection 1030 00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:17,285 to what we should be focused on. 1031 00:48:17,416 --> 00:48:19,809 Food should be used to prevent illness, 1032 00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:22,203 not to just help reverse it once it's too late. 1033 00:48:22,334 --> 00:48:23,901 One of the areas we haven't talked about 1034 00:48:24,031 --> 00:48:25,903 until recently, is how food can affect 1035 00:48:26,033 --> 00:48:27,121 your brain health. 1036 00:48:28,427 --> 00:48:29,907 [Dr. Ede] I became interested in mental health 1037 00:48:30,037 --> 00:48:31,909 and the connection between mental health 1038 00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:33,867 and diet after I had developed a lot 1039 00:48:33,998 --> 00:48:36,652 of my own health problems and had changed 1040 00:48:36,783 --> 00:48:39,351 my diet and discovered that diet 1041 00:48:39,481 --> 00:48:41,614 had a lot more to do with health 1042 00:48:41,744 --> 00:48:44,791 and mental health than I had ever been taught that it had. 1043 00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:46,619 In my early 40s, about ten years ago, 1044 00:48:46,749 --> 00:48:48,534 I developed a number of mysterious symptoms 1045 00:48:48,664 --> 00:48:50,536 that I think a lot of people, especially 1046 00:48:50,666 --> 00:48:52,538 middle aged women will identify with, 1047 00:48:52,668 --> 00:48:55,802 so things like chronic pain, fibromyalgia, 1048 00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:59,414 IBS, chronic fatigue, migraines, 1049 00:48:59,545 --> 00:49:02,548 uh, lots of different symptoms that all 1050 00:49:02,678 --> 00:49:04,811 of my very smart Harvard-affiliated doctors 1051 00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:07,248 couldn't help me with. After about six months 1052 00:49:07,379 --> 00:49:09,947 of trial and error, I arrived at this diet 1053 00:49:10,077 --> 00:49:12,775 that was completely upside down 1054 00:49:12,906 --> 00:49:14,690 from what I had been taught was good for me. 1055 00:49:14,821 --> 00:49:16,779 It was basically a mostly meat diet, 1056 00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:19,391 high in meat and fat and cholesterol 1057 00:49:19,521 --> 00:49:22,002 and when I arrived at that diet, 1058 00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:23,525 all of the symptoms that I had been 1059 00:49:23,656 --> 00:49:26,746 struggling with completely went away 1060 00:49:26,876 --> 00:49:30,793 and I thought, you know, this diet actually is also 1061 00:49:30,924 --> 00:49:32,273 improving my mental health and I'm 1062 00:49:32,404 --> 00:49:34,536 a psychiatrist, the most powerful way 1063 00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:35,973 to change your brain chemistry 1064 00:49:36,103 --> 00:49:37,583 would be through food, because that's where 1065 00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:39,802 brain chemicals come from in the first place. 1066 00:49:39,933 --> 00:49:42,066 If you're getting most of your sugar 1067 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:44,459 and most of your glucose from the 1068 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:46,461 outside of the body, you run the risk 1069 00:49:46,592 --> 00:49:49,464 of getting spikes, uh, peaks and troughs 1070 00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:51,205 in your blood sugar and insulin level 1071 00:49:51,336 --> 00:49:54,034 and those can destabilize brain chemistry, 1072 00:49:54,165 --> 00:49:55,993 so those can create mood swings, 1073 00:49:56,123 --> 00:49:58,996 insomnia, irritability, changes 1074 00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:00,823 in appetite throughout the course of the day. 1075 00:50:00,954 --> 00:50:02,477 When you eat a ketogenic diet, 1076 00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,480 you're using fat primarily for energy 1077 00:50:05,611 --> 00:50:08,962 and the brain is using, to a large extent, 1078 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:10,616 ketones instead of glucose. 1079 00:50:10,746 --> 00:50:13,967 Today, if you're anywhere near Google 1080 00:50:14,098 --> 00:50:15,360 you will learn that [laughs] 1081 00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:17,144 this is known as dietary ketosis. 1082 00:50:17,275 --> 00:50:20,017 [somber music] 1083 00:50:20,147 --> 00:50:24,804 Most healthcare professionals are familiar with ketoacidosis, and that's a state 1084 00:50:24,934 --> 00:50:26,762 where the body is out of control. 1085 00:50:26,893 --> 00:50:28,590 Diabetes it out of control. 1086 00:50:28,721 --> 00:50:30,723 Blood glucose is through the roof, 1087 00:50:30,853 --> 00:50:32,507 insulin is not able to keep up with 1088 00:50:32,638 --> 00:50:34,814 this glucose derangement and so that's 1089 00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:37,164 a life threatening state when you're 1090 00:50:37,295 --> 00:50:39,253 a Type 2 diabetic of control. 1091 00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:43,083 Nutritional ketosis is quite a different scenario. 1092 00:50:43,214 --> 00:50:46,217 Blood sugar's absolutely under control, 1093 00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:48,393 the patient is healthy in every single way 1094 00:50:48,523 --> 00:50:52,266 electrolytes, insulin, glucose, perfectly, perfectly controlled. 1095 00:50:52,397 --> 00:50:55,182 We have now trained the body to switch over 1096 00:50:55,313 --> 00:50:58,185 from burning carbohydrate as the primary fuel. 1097 00:50:58,316 --> 00:51:01,188 Now the individual becomes fat adapted 1098 00:51:01,319 --> 00:51:05,279 and they use fat as the primary source of energy 1099 00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:07,586 and that's really the difference between 1100 00:51:07,716 --> 00:51:10,632 a very unhealthy and a very healthy state. 1101 00:51:10,763 --> 00:51:13,592 [beeps and breathing] 1102 00:51:13,722 --> 00:51:19,076 We had a scientific question in the 1960s where the researchers asked the wrong question, 1103 00:51:19,206 --> 00:51:21,078 but they were questions we needed answered. 1104 00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:23,428 We know that the way you gain weight 1105 00:51:23,558 --> 00:51:28,041 is you take in more calories than you don't-- than you burn. 1106 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:30,261 And those calories can be fat or they 1107 00:51:30,391 --> 00:51:31,479 can be carbohydrate. 1108 00:51:31,610 --> 00:51:33,220 And so they get this hypothesis 1109 00:51:33,351 --> 00:51:35,092 which sounds reasonable that fat people 1110 00:51:35,222 --> 00:51:36,789 get fat because they accumulate a little 1111 00:51:36,919 --> 00:51:40,184 of extra calories every day and we could get 1112 00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:42,099 back to this by not asking how much 1113 00:51:42,229 --> 00:51:44,101 extra calories, they don't have to really 1114 00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:46,146 confront the problems with the hypothesis 1115 00:51:46,277 --> 00:51:48,844 and that becomes the theory ever since. 1116 00:51:48,975 --> 00:51:50,585 The history of science once again, 1117 00:51:50,716 --> 00:51:53,110 is full of common sensical facts 1118 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,416 that turned out to be dead wrong when we did the science. 1119 00:51:55,547 --> 00:51:58,724 You're certain, you use words like it proves 1120 00:51:58,854 --> 00:52:03,250 when you look at the data, it either isn't there, or we just didn't do the experiment. 1121 00:52:03,381 --> 00:52:05,861 [Vinnie] Speaking of experiments, here's a timeline 1122 00:52:05,992 --> 00:52:08,125 of events that happened with the McGovern Committee. 1123 00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,214 After a year of fighting for funding, 1124 00:52:10,344 --> 00:52:13,347 the committee operations began in 1969. 1125 00:52:13,478 --> 00:52:15,306 There were Democrats and Republicans 1126 00:52:15,436 --> 00:52:17,003 including future Presidential candidates, 1127 00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:20,354 George McGovern, Walter Mondale and Bob Dole. 1128 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:22,139 The initial goals of the committee 1129 00:52:22,269 --> 00:52:24,184 centered around hunger and malnutrition 1130 00:52:24,315 --> 00:52:26,578 and this led to the legislation in 1970 1131 00:52:26,708 --> 00:52:28,188 with principles of free food stamps 1132 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,408 and nationwide standards for eligibility. 1133 00:52:32,236 --> 00:52:34,847 It was in 1971 that the committee expanded 1134 00:52:34,977 --> 00:52:37,066 to focus on eating habits in poor neighborhoods, 1135 00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:40,461 but in 1972, this extremely pressing issue 1136 00:52:40,592 --> 00:52:42,071 was put on hold so that McGovern 1137 00:52:42,202 --> 00:52:44,944 could run for President. When he lost 49 States 1138 00:52:45,074 --> 00:52:46,293 to Richard Nixon, who would eventually 1139 00:52:46,424 --> 00:52:48,774 resign and be replaced by this guy, 1140 00:52:48,904 --> 00:52:50,602 it was back to fixing America's health. 1141 00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:08,707 Unfortunately, dietary guidelines, were based 1142 00:53:08,837 --> 00:53:12,537 on the singular focus to lower cholesterol. 1143 00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:14,321 Why we're treating heart disease 1144 00:53:14,452 --> 00:53:16,758 by supposedly lowering bad cholesterol, 1145 00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,847 we're gonna help people lose weight. 1146 00:53:19,935 --> 00:53:22,329 [Vinnie] If you tell a public of 250 million people 1147 00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:24,026 what they're eating is gonna kill em 1148 00:53:24,157 --> 00:53:25,376 they're gonna probably listen. 1149 00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:28,030 And the unintended consequence is that 1150 00:53:28,161 --> 00:53:30,032 someone is gonna step in and take advantage 1151 00:53:30,163 --> 00:53:32,600 of these people when it doesn't work, right? 1152 00:53:32,731 --> 00:53:34,211 [dramatic music] 1153 00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:36,387 Coincidentally, drug companies were spending 1154 00:53:36,517 --> 00:53:40,217 millions of dollars developing drugs to target LBL. 1155 00:53:40,347 --> 00:53:42,958 [Ivor] In the 80s and 90s, a class of drugs 1156 00:53:43,089 --> 00:53:44,482 was invented called the statins, 1157 00:53:44,612 --> 00:53:47,528 and these drugs did lower the cholesterol 1158 00:53:47,659 --> 00:53:49,791 very effectively and they also were shown 1159 00:53:49,922 --> 00:53:51,228 to lower heart disease rates. 1160 00:53:51,358 --> 00:53:53,230 But the question that's probably more 1161 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,406 interesting to me, that I think should be 1162 00:53:55,536 --> 00:53:58,191 more interesting to you, is does it help you live longer? 1163 00:53:58,322 --> 00:54:00,367 It might reduce heart attacks 1164 00:54:00,498 --> 00:54:03,501 by 20 or 30 percent at best, and it doesn't 1165 00:54:03,631 --> 00:54:05,590 really reduce mortality much. 1166 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,548 We like simple answers that we have 1167 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,724 treatments for, but that's not where 1168 00:54:09,855 --> 00:54:13,946 the best evaluation and treatment for heart disease is. 1169 00:54:14,076 --> 00:54:16,078 [Vinnie] It's absolutely amazing to me, 1170 00:54:16,209 --> 00:54:18,472 the trajectory of statins and low fat diets 1171 00:54:18,603 --> 00:54:19,908 with everything we have today stem 1172 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:21,649 from a Committee that was focused 1173 00:54:21,780 --> 00:54:23,303 on poverty and people who weren't 1174 00:54:23,434 --> 00:54:25,479 getting enough to eat. And somehow 1175 00:54:25,610 --> 00:54:28,526 cholesterol got into the mix, thanks to Ancel Keys. 1176 00:54:28,656 --> 00:54:30,354 -And in a complete U-turn... -[car screeches] 1177 00:54:30,484 --> 00:54:32,921 ...in 1974, they expanded the committee 1178 00:54:33,052 --> 00:54:34,662 to focus on overnutrition. 1179 00:54:34,793 --> 00:54:36,708 The very recommendations made 1180 00:54:36,838 --> 00:54:38,884 led to people eating way too much 1181 00:54:39,014 --> 00:54:41,278 of the wrong kind of food, so now we have 1182 00:54:41,408 --> 00:54:42,844 just the opposite problem, we don't have 1183 00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:46,239 a hunger problem, we have an obesity epidemic. 1184 00:54:47,632 --> 00:54:49,460 -[solemn music] -[narrator] The Senate Committee 1185 00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:51,940 finally issued a set of dietary goals 1186 00:54:52,071 --> 00:54:55,944 in December 1977, the McGovern Committee 1187 00:54:56,075 --> 00:54:58,251 issued a set of nutritional guidelines 1188 00:54:58,382 --> 00:55:00,645 for all Americans, intended to battle 1189 00:55:00,775 --> 00:55:02,995 heart disease, cancers, strokes, 1190 00:55:03,125 --> 00:55:04,866 high blood pressure, obesity. 1191 00:55:04,997 --> 00:55:07,304 In the dietary guidelines for Americans, 1192 00:55:07,434 --> 00:55:10,307 they recommend fewer calories, less fat, 1193 00:55:10,437 --> 00:55:13,092 less saturated fat, less cholesterol, 1194 00:55:13,222 --> 00:55:15,007 more poly-unsaturated fat. 1195 00:55:15,137 --> 00:55:18,489 All in favor of nominating vegetable oils, say aye. 1196 00:55:18,619 --> 00:55:20,491 [all] Aye. 1197 00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,319 [narrator] Less sugar, less salt, 1198 00:55:22,449 --> 00:55:24,321 more fiber, more starchy food. 1199 00:55:24,451 --> 00:55:25,974 The Committee's original report 1200 00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:27,889 urged Americans to reduce the risk 1201 00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:30,283 of heart attacks by reducing their intake 1202 00:55:30,414 --> 00:55:33,373 of cholesterol, down to the equivalent of about one egg a day. 1203 00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:35,070 [Vinnie] This great experiment we were doing 1204 00:55:35,201 --> 00:55:37,508 with tax dollars seemed to have one idea 1205 00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:40,989 repeated over and over, cholesterol is bad, cholesterol is bad. 1206 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,991 On its own or in conjunction with other things. 1207 00:55:43,122 --> 00:55:44,602 One way to look at it, is that 1208 00:55:44,732 --> 00:55:47,300 saturated fats are healthy when you're not 1209 00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:49,955 eating carbohydrates, or that saturated fat 1210 00:55:50,085 --> 00:55:52,392 was never unhealthy all along, 1211 00:55:52,523 --> 00:55:54,351 but that gets you into the realm 1212 00:55:54,481 --> 00:55:57,092 of you're telling people that what they've believed, is wrong. 1213 00:55:57,223 --> 00:55:59,356 [Vinnie] As time has gone on, both doctors 1214 00:55:59,486 --> 00:56:01,836 and private citizens have done their own experiments. 1215 00:56:01,967 --> 00:56:03,838 As a software engineer, I look a lot 1216 00:56:03,969 --> 00:56:06,754 at networks. Networks are basically 1217 00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:09,278 objects talking to each other and a lot 1218 00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:11,019 of understanding a network is kind of like 1219 00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:13,848 understanding a brain, no one cell in the brain 1220 00:56:13,979 --> 00:56:16,242 controls your whole body, and actually 1221 00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:18,244 cholesterol was part of a larger 1222 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:20,202 network of objects and how it is 1223 00:56:20,333 --> 00:56:23,031 that they can move about to provide us with what we need. 1224 00:56:23,162 --> 00:56:24,424 [Vinnie] Another thing we don't talk about 1225 00:56:24,555 --> 00:56:26,339 is how complicated the human body is. 1226 00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:27,775 For the Government to even recommend 1227 00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:29,429 what you should be eating in the first place 1228 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,649 is one thing, but for them to do it 1229 00:56:31,779 --> 00:56:33,607 in such a simplistic way, is another. 1230 00:56:33,738 --> 00:56:35,217 There were certain scientists that 1231 00:56:35,348 --> 00:56:37,045 had some hypothesis and they said 1232 00:56:37,176 --> 00:56:39,221 well some of the stuff we're looking at 1233 00:56:39,352 --> 00:56:41,746 is leaning towards red meat might be 1234 00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:45,358 bad for your heart, the Commission would say well, what do you think? 1235 00:56:45,489 --> 00:56:47,404 [reporter] Doctors took issue with that at the hearing 1236 00:56:47,534 --> 00:56:49,406 saying that eight studies involving 1237 00:56:49,536 --> 00:56:51,843 five thousand patients failed to show 1238 00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,410 hard medical evidence that diet 1239 00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:55,412 has anything to do with heart attacks. 1240 00:56:55,542 --> 00:56:57,892 I pleaded in my report and will plead again 1241 00:56:58,023 --> 00:57:00,547 orally here for more research on the problem 1242 00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:02,680 before we make announcements to the American public. 1243 00:57:03,681 --> 00:57:07,075 [Vinnie] Yes, before you make announcements to the public, you should have data 1244 00:57:07,206 --> 00:57:10,775 that proves what you're saying. Maybe like Dave Feldman did. 1245 00:57:10,905 --> 00:57:15,432 My story's a bit interesting. I found that I could move my cholesterol 1246 00:57:15,562 --> 00:57:18,783 up and down with the dietary fat that I ate. 1247 00:57:18,913 --> 00:57:22,003 The more fat I ate, the lower my LDL-C. 1248 00:57:22,134 --> 00:57:25,311 The less fat I ate, the higher my LDL-C. 1249 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:26,878 [dramatic music] 1250 00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:28,836 [Vinnie] On a three day diet of over 1251 00:57:28,967 --> 00:57:32,100 5000 calories and 450 grams of fat, 1252 00:57:32,231 --> 00:57:34,581 he lowered every marker of cholesterol. 1253 00:57:34,712 --> 00:57:36,322 I eventually got a number of other people 1254 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,237 to replicate this, the success rate 1255 00:57:38,367 --> 00:57:40,457 is somewhere around 85% of those people 1256 00:57:40,587 --> 00:57:42,023 when on a low carb high fat diet. 1257 00:57:42,154 --> 00:57:44,983 Fatty cheeses, fatty meats, fatty nuts 1258 00:57:45,113 --> 00:57:47,855 and in doing so, even though their calories 1259 00:57:47,986 --> 00:57:49,335 increase substantially, even though 1260 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:52,077 their saturated fat just jumps through the roof, 1261 00:57:52,207 --> 00:57:55,689 their LDL-C and their total cholesterol plummeted. 1262 00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:57,474 It's a very unintuitive, but sure enough 1263 00:57:57,604 --> 00:58:01,478 the more fat they would eat, the lower their LDL-C. 1264 00:58:01,608 --> 00:58:03,436 [Vinnie] Dave Feldman is not a doctor at all. 1265 00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:07,222 This guy took all of the science that was available 1266 00:58:07,353 --> 00:58:09,529 and figured it out, yet members 1267 00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:11,183 of a publicly funded Committee 1268 00:58:11,313 --> 00:58:12,880 took ten years to find nothing and when 1269 00:58:13,011 --> 00:58:15,361 they were pressured to change recommendations 1270 00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:16,710 with no science to back it up 1271 00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:18,495 they ran around in circles for a while 1272 00:58:18,625 --> 00:58:19,713 and came out with the same report 1273 00:58:19,844 --> 00:58:21,410 but this time they said, oh, you can 1274 00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:23,500 have some meat and some salt. 1275 00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:25,632 I would only argue that Senators 1276 00:58:25,763 --> 00:58:29,027 don't have the luxury that a research scientist does 1277 00:58:29,157 --> 00:58:32,509 of waiting until every last shred of evidence is in. 1278 00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:34,989 [Vinnie] So there you have it, the national advice 1279 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,688 that everything you see today is based on. 1280 00:58:37,818 --> 00:58:41,387 That report was then taken over 1281 00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:43,911 to become Government-- official Government policy 1282 00:58:44,042 --> 00:58:46,435 so it went over to the US Department of Agriculture 1283 00:58:46,566 --> 00:58:50,178 and by 1980, they came out with the policy 1284 00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:53,268 which was the dietary guidelines for all Americans. 1285 00:58:53,399 --> 00:58:55,793 I think it's audacious that the Government 1286 00:58:55,923 --> 00:58:58,622 based on very weak evidence should tell 1287 00:58:58,752 --> 00:59:01,581 Americans what to eat, a healthy population at the time. 1288 00:59:01,712 --> 00:59:03,757 [Vinnie] How do you tell some guy from the Midwest 1289 00:59:03,888 --> 00:59:06,020 who's been living on beef his entire life 1290 00:59:06,151 --> 00:59:08,457 to start eating vegetables, especially at that time 1291 00:59:08,588 --> 00:59:10,764 you couldn't get em year round, you couldn't 1292 00:59:10,895 --> 00:59:13,637 get fruit year round, it wasn't like it is today 1293 00:59:13,767 --> 00:59:17,510 where we refrigerate and ship fruits and vegetables around the world. 1294 00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:19,207 You're telling people from different parts 1295 00:59:19,338 --> 00:59:21,383 of the United States what to do, 1296 00:59:21,514 --> 00:59:23,385 how to do it and everyone's just 1297 00:59:23,516 --> 00:59:24,604 throwing their hands up, going, 1298 00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:26,084 I'm gonna do the best I can. 1299 00:59:27,651 --> 00:59:29,566 Do I think the Government was complicit 1300 00:59:29,696 --> 00:59:32,438 in causing this problem, yes. 1301 00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:35,833 Do I think they meant to do it, absolutely not. 1302 00:59:35,963 --> 00:59:38,575 I think McGovern's heart was in the right place, 1303 00:59:38,705 --> 00:59:40,489 they just went the wrong way about it. 1304 00:59:40,620 --> 00:59:43,884 But we went on that experiment and the Government put us 1305 00:59:43,928 --> 00:59:46,670 on that experiment, they didn't ask us about it, they didn't 1306 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,369 ask our advice, they just told us how to eat, then they told the food industry, 1307 00:59:50,499 --> 00:59:54,329 uh, asked the food industry to produce low fat food products. 1308 00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:57,115 [narrator] Industry slowly is responding 1309 00:59:57,245 --> 00:59:58,682 to it, producing foods that are lower 1310 00:59:58,812 --> 01:00:01,075 in salt and fat and so on and people 1311 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:02,207 are beginning to get the message. 1312 01:00:02,337 --> 01:00:04,339 Low cholesterol, no cholesterol, 1313 01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:06,341 -lowers cholesterol. -Good fat, bad fat, 1314 01:00:06,472 --> 01:00:08,605 -low fat, non-fat. -Milk suddenly came 1315 01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:12,783 in, you know, a bewildering number of varieties 1316 01:00:12,913 --> 01:00:16,134 all of them reduced in fat and whether or not 1317 01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:17,701 it was a result of the experiment, 1318 01:00:17,831 --> 01:00:20,704 this coincided with the obesity explosions 1319 01:00:20,834 --> 01:00:23,141 in obesity and diabetes we've been seeing today. 1320 01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:25,360 [dramatic music] 1321 01:00:27,275 --> 01:00:30,844 The 1980s brought in all sorts of brand new foods. 1322 01:00:40,637 --> 01:00:42,377 [commercial] There's a Dannon body in everybody. 1323 01:00:42,508 --> 01:00:44,336 Unlike some yogurts, it's low in fat. 1324 01:00:44,466 --> 01:00:45,337 [All] Wow! 1325 01:00:45,467 --> 01:00:47,426 The whole thought pattern was, 1326 01:00:47,556 --> 01:00:49,863 if you didn't eat fat, you couldn't get fat. 1327 01:00:49,994 --> 01:00:52,344 Not having fat does not automatically 1328 01:00:52,474 --> 01:00:54,172 make something health food and that's where 1329 01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:57,001 we get into this debate about is it just 1330 01:00:57,131 --> 01:00:59,786 calories in, calories out, does it not matter 1331 01:00:59,917 --> 01:01:01,701 what we eat as long as we're burning 1332 01:01:01,832 --> 01:01:03,181 enough calories to burn it off? 1333 01:01:03,311 --> 01:01:04,922 We still don't know if eating a low fat diet 1334 01:01:05,052 --> 01:01:08,186 is a good thing, some of the smartest scientists 1335 01:01:08,316 --> 01:01:10,579 and the President of the National Academy of Sciences 1336 01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:13,887 in the late 1970s called this a huge experiment 1337 01:01:14,018 --> 01:01:17,456 in which the American public were the subjects. 1338 01:01:19,371 --> 01:01:20,633 [typewriter clacks] 1339 01:01:29,424 --> 01:01:31,775 Let's examine why there is so much 1340 01:01:31,905 --> 01:01:34,516 confusion about good nutrition. 1341 01:01:34,647 --> 01:01:36,388 One reason is that we have been given 1342 01:01:36,518 --> 01:01:38,738 a lot of misinformation, usually 1343 01:01:38,869 --> 01:01:40,479 by those looking to make a profit. 1344 01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:43,264 -[jaunty music] -Today, there are still 1345 01:01:43,395 --> 01:01:46,267 many unusual ideas as to what you should eat. 1346 01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:51,620 People tend to believe that just because 1347 01:01:51,751 --> 01:01:54,406 it's in print or on television, it must be true. 1348 01:01:54,536 --> 01:01:56,669 The 80s also brought in all sorts 1349 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,192 of new fitness trends. 1350 01:01:58,323 --> 01:02:00,151 [upbeat music] 1351 01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:03,589 [commercial] Make the commitment now 1352 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,591 and watch how fast you see results. 1353 01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:09,682 Are you ready to do the workout? 1354 01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:13,425 We couldn't get enough of fitness in the 1980s, 1355 01:02:13,555 --> 01:02:15,819 but although we were doing all of this, 1356 01:02:15,949 --> 01:02:17,298 we weren't getting any thinner. 1357 01:02:17,429 --> 01:02:19,170 Sugar consumption increases 1358 01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:20,780 in part with the introduction of 1359 01:02:20,911 --> 01:02:22,826 high-fructose corn syrup and that's 1360 01:02:22,956 --> 01:02:24,915 an unintended consequence of these 1361 01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:27,526 Government actions, it's arguably the case 1362 01:02:27,656 --> 01:02:31,573 if they had done nothing, we wouldn't 1363 01:02:31,704 --> 01:02:32,923 have had this epidemic, we might have had 1364 01:02:33,053 --> 01:02:36,927 it anyway, but they probably, 1365 01:02:37,057 --> 01:02:39,190 almost assuredly, made it worse. 1366 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,844 For 25 years we've been pushing 1367 01:02:40,974 --> 01:02:43,585 a low fat dogma, that said eat less fat 1368 01:02:43,716 --> 01:02:47,198 first it said eat less total fat and you'll have less heart disease, 1369 01:02:47,328 --> 01:02:51,028 -less cancer and you'll weigh less. -But that's not exactly true. 1370 01:02:51,158 --> 01:02:53,900 This started because there's incontrovertible 1371 01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:56,729 evidence that saturated fat is bad 1372 01:02:56,860 --> 01:03:00,037 and that is well established in long-term trials. 1373 01:03:00,167 --> 01:03:02,213 You build up in a community, institutions 1374 01:03:02,343 --> 01:03:04,868 organizations, everybody collects to them, 1375 01:03:04,998 --> 01:03:07,914 people who think just like they do. 1376 01:03:08,045 --> 01:03:10,787 Like we like each other, we respect each other 1377 01:03:10,917 --> 01:03:13,964 'cause we think alike [laughs] you know. 1378 01:03:14,094 --> 01:03:15,269 I know nothing about you other than that 1379 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,402 you think like I do, so I respect 1380 01:03:17,532 --> 01:03:20,405 the way you think and institutions do this 1381 01:03:20,535 --> 01:03:21,798 and then somebody else comes along 1382 01:03:21,928 --> 01:03:23,974 from the outside and says, oh you guys 1383 01:03:24,104 --> 01:03:26,367 all got it wrong, look, here's the evidence, 1384 01:03:26,498 --> 01:03:28,892 all these obese diabetic people neck-deep 1385 01:03:29,022 --> 01:03:32,025 in obesity and diabetes, we gotta change everything. 1386 01:03:32,939 --> 01:03:36,900 It's hard to accept, it's hard to back out of. 1387 01:03:37,030 --> 01:03:38,902 There's no way to back out of it 1388 01:03:39,032 --> 01:03:40,991 that doesn't destroy your credibility. 1389 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,733 [woman] In this country, we have freedom of choice 1390 01:03:44,864 --> 01:03:47,388 to say what we wanna say, we have freedom 1391 01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:50,827 of choice to print what we wanna print 1392 01:03:50,957 --> 01:03:52,829 we have freedom of choice to think 1393 01:03:52,959 --> 01:03:55,048 what we wanna think, but we do not 1394 01:03:55,179 --> 01:03:58,008 have freedom of choice for our own healthcare. 1395 01:03:58,138 --> 01:04:00,967 Why, I guess profit and politics and power. 1396 01:04:01,098 --> 01:04:05,232 The MDs and nutritionists and all people 1397 01:04:05,363 --> 01:04:08,192 need to work together for the total benefit 1398 01:04:08,322 --> 01:04:09,889 of this country's health. 1399 01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:12,805 So in 1992, we did the most brilliant 1400 01:04:12,936 --> 01:04:14,851 thing we've ever done as a country. 1401 01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:18,071 We started the food pyramid. 1402 01:04:18,202 --> 01:04:22,119 Now, this is so ridiculous that I can't even 1403 01:04:22,249 --> 01:04:24,904 ever remember-- because in my own mind 1404 01:04:25,035 --> 01:04:27,211 it makes no sense, I always have to 1405 01:04:27,341 --> 01:04:29,256 read it off of a piece of paper. 1406 01:04:29,387 --> 01:04:32,433 The pyramid at the base, the biggest part 1407 01:04:32,564 --> 01:04:34,958 was bread, cereal and rice, six 1408 01:04:35,088 --> 01:04:37,699 to eleven servings, not per week, 1409 01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:39,179 hang on folks, per day! 1410 01:04:39,310 --> 01:04:40,920 If you went to the maximum vegetables, 1411 01:04:41,051 --> 01:04:42,443 that's five vegetables a day. 1412 01:04:42,574 --> 01:04:45,055 Five servings, and fruit, if you went 1413 01:04:45,185 --> 01:04:47,884 to the max, that's four, that's 20 servings 1414 01:04:48,014 --> 01:04:50,016 of carbohydrates every day and then 1415 01:04:50,147 --> 01:04:51,931 when you get into milk and dairy, 1416 01:04:52,062 --> 01:04:54,847 milk has carbohydrates, there's lactose in milk 1417 01:04:54,978 --> 01:04:56,544 that's like drinking sugar, and on meat? 1418 01:04:56,675 --> 01:04:59,199 The most you can have in any given day 1419 01:04:59,330 --> 01:05:02,550 is three servings. Now it gets even worse 1420 01:05:02,681 --> 01:05:04,204 because we start wondering this, 1421 01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:07,164 what's a serving, what's a serving of meat? 1422 01:05:07,294 --> 01:05:08,817 They didn't tell you how many ounces. 1423 01:05:08,948 --> 01:05:11,037 Well I could tell you it was two to three 1424 01:05:11,168 --> 01:05:13,387 ounces per serving, but who knew that? 1425 01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:14,911 [Timon] You gotta eat the right stuff. 1426 01:05:15,041 --> 01:05:17,348 Start with a little meat, a little dairy, 1427 01:05:17,478 --> 01:05:19,002 you gotta add a bunch of fruit. 1428 01:05:19,132 --> 01:05:21,613 You have Timon and Pumba telling people 1429 01:05:21,743 --> 01:05:24,572 -to eat more grains! -Bread, cereal, rice, 1430 01:05:24,703 --> 01:05:27,488 -noodles. -And eat a whole lot less fat 1431 01:05:27,619 --> 01:05:29,403 and if you thought that was ridiculous, 1432 01:05:29,534 --> 01:05:31,623 the servings ad they did give us 1433 01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:34,321 with the food pyramid did not match 1434 01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:37,063 what the Government told us that servings should be 1435 01:05:37,194 --> 01:05:39,631 on the packages of food, those servings, 1436 01:05:39,761 --> 01:05:41,372 which are also mandated by the Government, 1437 01:05:41,502 --> 01:05:44,375 were completely different from the servings 1438 01:05:44,505 --> 01:05:46,768 that we heard about when it came to 1439 01:05:46,899 --> 01:05:48,945 what was on the pyramid. 1440 01:05:49,075 --> 01:05:54,733 The new food label represents nothing less than a major victory for the consumer 1441 01:05:54,863 --> 01:05:56,909 and for the public health. 1442 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,476 [man] When you're given a percentage 1443 01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:02,045 and you see that this is 50% or this is 10% 1444 01:06:02,175 --> 01:06:04,090 of your expected daily total 1445 01:06:04,221 --> 01:06:06,179 then you know very quickly that this food 1446 01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:07,833 either contributes a lot of fat 1447 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:10,096 or a little bit of fat and how to plan 1448 01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:12,185 the rest of your diet around this particular food. 1449 01:06:12,316 --> 01:06:16,059 This food label which will be on virtually 1450 01:06:16,189 --> 01:06:20,106 all foods, will be a benchmark for nutrition 1451 01:06:20,237 --> 01:06:24,458 information well into the 21st century. 1452 01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:26,808 [Vinnie] The Government makes the manufacturers 1453 01:06:26,939 --> 01:06:30,029 put the product ingredient list and the amount 1454 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,207 in which it appears on the package. If the number one thing is grains, 1455 01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:38,298 you will rice first, if the second thing is sugar you will see sugar second. 1456 01:06:38,429 --> 01:06:40,518 These companies got really smart at some point 1457 01:06:40,648 --> 01:06:42,259 and figured out hey, wait a minute 1458 01:06:42,389 --> 01:06:44,174 we can't do it this way because people 1459 01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:47,090 are seeing sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, 1460 01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:50,528 so what they do is they name the sugars other things. 1461 01:06:50,658 --> 01:06:54,184 At last count, we were at 70 names. 1462 01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:57,230 70 different names for sugar on packages. 1463 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:03,106 Let's say you're diabetic, Type 1, Type 2 1464 01:07:03,236 --> 01:07:05,282 it doesn't matter, if you don't know how 1465 01:07:05,412 --> 01:07:09,286 to read these labels, your life hangs in the balance. 1466 01:07:09,416 --> 01:07:11,723 This is the world we live in, this is 1467 01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:14,030 our society, this is our community 1468 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,945 and if we don't fix it, who will? No one will. 1469 01:07:17,076 --> 01:07:20,210 The food label has become a veritable minefield 1470 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:22,125 of misleading and downright false claims. 1471 01:07:22,777 --> 01:07:24,692 And many in Congress feel the same way 1472 01:07:24,823 --> 01:07:26,042 they're concerned that any confusion 1473 01:07:26,172 --> 01:07:27,739 over the truthfulness of health claims 1474 01:07:27,869 --> 01:07:30,046 could be dangerous because the potential benefit 1475 01:07:30,176 --> 01:07:31,873 of displaying important health information 1476 01:07:32,004 --> 01:07:34,137 on food labels would be lost if consumers 1477 01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:35,964 lose confidence in what they're being told. 1478 01:07:36,095 --> 01:07:37,966 When I was a kid in the late 70s, 1479 01:07:38,097 --> 01:07:42,188 the term metabolic syndrome did not exist at all. 1480 01:07:42,449 --> 01:07:44,886 Metabolic syndrome is not one thing 1481 01:07:45,017 --> 01:07:47,889 it's several things, it's fatty liver disease 1482 01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,935 it's Type 2 diabetes, something else 1483 01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:52,894 that barely existed in the 70s, we have people 1484 01:07:53,025 --> 01:07:55,593 on statins and metformin, none of this 1485 01:07:55,723 --> 01:07:58,944 existed in this quantity in the 70s. 1486 01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:02,513 We've gone from here to here in just a few short years. 1487 01:08:02,643 --> 01:08:05,168 So the same foods in my mother's generation 1488 01:08:05,298 --> 01:08:08,084 grew up believing would go right to their hips. 1489 01:08:08,214 --> 01:08:10,869 You know, by the 1980s, we were being told 1490 01:08:10,999 --> 01:08:13,306 to eat six to eleven servings per day 1491 01:08:13,437 --> 01:08:15,308 they were the base of the food diet pyramid 1492 01:08:15,439 --> 01:08:19,182 in the 1990s and they coincided with this obesity epidemic. 1493 01:08:26,014 --> 01:08:27,277 I mean we couldn't have screwed up 1494 01:08:27,407 --> 01:08:29,540 the science of obesity more if we had tried. 1495 01:08:30,628 --> 01:08:32,064 We don't know what to do. 1496 01:08:32,195 --> 01:08:33,631 Nutrition experts, the establishment, 1497 01:08:33,761 --> 01:08:35,937 the orthodoxy, just doesn't know what to do 1498 01:08:36,068 --> 01:08:37,156 so they continue raising money 1499 01:08:37,287 --> 01:08:38,549 for the American Heart Association, 1500 01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:39,854 the American Diabetes Association, 1501 01:08:39,985 --> 01:08:41,595 but they don't have any new ideas. 1502 01:08:43,467 --> 01:08:45,338 They keep saying just keep applying the advice that we've given you 1503 01:08:45,469 --> 01:08:48,080 and somehow, it'll turn out different this time. 1504 01:08:48,211 --> 01:08:49,951 One of the things that I always say is 1505 01:08:50,082 --> 01:08:51,997 why not just be open to new ideas? 1506 01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,130 Like, here's some other ideas coming along 1507 01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:55,870 let's just consider them. Don't we have 1508 01:08:56,001 --> 01:08:58,308 an obligation to the public to consider 1509 01:08:58,438 --> 01:08:59,787 at least, other ideas? 1510 01:09:01,963 --> 01:09:05,271 [reporter] You're about to meet a father who refused to give up, a man who defied 1511 01:09:05,402 --> 01:09:07,621 the doctors and went looking for a miracle. 1512 01:09:07,752 --> 01:09:10,624 [Vinnie] My generation remembers Jim Abrahams quite well. 1513 01:09:10,755 --> 01:09:12,670 He did some of our favorite movies 1514 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,107 like Airplane!and Hot Shots!and all 1515 01:09:15,238 --> 01:09:17,153 of these funny movies in the 70s and 80s. 1516 01:09:17,283 --> 01:09:20,460 Well it wasn't very funny when Jim Abrahams 1517 01:09:20,591 --> 01:09:24,856 had a 16 month old son who was having 1518 01:09:24,986 --> 01:09:27,337 seizure after seizure after seizure 1519 01:09:27,467 --> 01:09:30,296 and he was going-- because he was a big producer 1520 01:09:30,427 --> 01:09:32,429 and he had the means, he went to the top 1521 01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:34,039 doctors In the United States. 1522 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:36,389 And at the time, Charlie was averaging 1523 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,565 about a dozen seizures a day. 1524 01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:42,090 He was on four anti-epileptic medicines. 1525 01:09:42,221 --> 01:09:44,310 If you have a critically ill kid, 1526 01:09:44,441 --> 01:09:47,922 what would your choice be? 1527 01:09:48,053 --> 01:09:51,883 Do you wanna drug him, do you wanna cut his brain 1528 01:09:52,013 --> 01:09:54,015 or do you wanna change what he eats? 1529 01:09:54,146 --> 01:09:55,669 And it just seems obvious to me. 1530 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,280 This is not to blame doctors. 1531 01:09:57,410 --> 01:10:00,413 Doctors are spread really thin and they have 1532 01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:02,067 to try to do the best they can, 1533 01:10:02,198 --> 01:10:04,548 but it was Jim who figured out on his own 1534 01:10:04,678 --> 01:10:08,204 by going to a library in the hospital 1535 01:10:08,334 --> 01:10:10,206 and just happened to open a book 1536 01:10:10,336 --> 01:10:13,992 to a page that showed the ketogenic diet 1537 01:10:14,122 --> 01:10:17,169 as being the best way to deal with seizures in infants. 1538 01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:18,823 The book claimed that experts here 1539 01:10:18,953 --> 01:10:21,129 in Baltimore were perfecting something called 1540 01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:24,307 the ketogenic diet, a diet consisting 1541 01:10:24,437 --> 01:10:26,134 largely of something most doctors 1542 01:10:26,265 --> 01:10:28,528 -tell us to avoid. -I called Dr. Freeman 1543 01:10:28,659 --> 01:10:31,052 from Johns Hopkins, told him about Charlie 1544 01:10:31,183 --> 01:10:34,142 and he said, send his medical records, 1545 01:10:34,273 --> 01:10:37,320 we did and he said, well bring Charlie 1546 01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:39,060 out to Hopkins and we'll try the diet 1547 01:10:39,191 --> 01:10:42,238 and we started the diet and in two days 1548 01:10:42,368 --> 01:10:43,239 his seizures were gone. 1549 01:10:44,283 --> 01:10:46,329 -[interviewer] Two days? -Two days. 1550 01:10:46,459 --> 01:10:49,375 [reporter] Jim was angry and puzzled that none 1551 01:10:49,506 --> 01:10:53,031 of the six doctors he went to for help ever mentioned the diet. 1552 01:10:53,161 --> 01:10:54,902 What has stopped Charlie's seizures 1553 01:10:55,033 --> 01:10:57,209 has been in existence for 70 years, 1554 01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:59,820 it's been sitting there, it was waiting for him. 1555 01:10:59,951 --> 01:11:02,693 You had some knowledge that this diet 1556 01:11:02,823 --> 01:11:05,435 was probably working back at Johns Hopkins 1557 01:11:05,565 --> 01:11:09,830 and yet you dissuaded the Abrahams from attempting it. How come? 1558 01:11:09,961 --> 01:11:14,444 Well, because I don't think we had exhausted all of the medical approaches yet. 1559 01:11:14,748 --> 01:11:20,276 Uh... There were actually still other medications that we hadn't tried yet. 1560 01:11:20,406 --> 01:11:22,539 Dr. Freeman tells us that 50 to 70% 1561 01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:24,280 of the patients that come through his doors 1562 01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:27,152 and get put on a diet have success. 1563 01:11:27,587 --> 01:11:31,025 Can you think of any drugs in these hard cases 1564 01:11:31,156 --> 01:11:33,289 that have 50 to 70% success rates. 1565 01:11:33,419 --> 01:11:36,553 Probably not anything that comes up to that level. 1566 01:11:36,683 --> 01:11:39,947 In another month, Dr. Freeman weaned him off 1567 01:11:40,078 --> 01:11:43,342 all four anti-epileptic medicines and 1568 01:11:44,604 --> 01:11:48,304 Charlie went from a prognosis of a lifetime 1569 01:11:48,434 --> 01:11:51,916 of seizures and what they call "progressive retardation" 1570 01:11:52,046 --> 01:11:55,267 to we got our son back and his smile is back 1571 01:11:55,398 --> 01:11:58,836 and he was happy again, and our family 1572 01:11:58,966 --> 01:12:00,403 could go on with life. 1573 01:12:00,533 --> 01:12:04,624 This is Charlie Abrahams and his mom, Nancy. 1574 01:12:04,755 --> 01:12:07,279 I've known him since birth, I watched 1575 01:12:07,410 --> 01:12:09,455 his delightful personality emerge 1576 01:12:09,586 --> 01:12:11,849 through a normal first year, I witnessed 1577 01:12:11,979 --> 01:12:14,330 his debilitating battle with seizures 1578 01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:16,984 and medicines, I rejoiced with his family 1579 01:12:17,115 --> 01:12:20,379 when the ketogenic diet stopped his epilepsy 1580 01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:22,642 and now I derive strength and joy 1581 01:12:22,773 --> 01:12:24,340 like so many of his other friends 1582 01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:27,299 as we watch him begin to develop again. 1583 01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:29,736 It's too early to tell whether the nine months 1584 01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:32,130 of pummeling from seizures and medicines 1585 01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:34,959 did any permanent damage to Charlie's brain. 1586 01:12:35,089 --> 01:12:37,265 If he has anything to say on that matter 1587 01:12:37,396 --> 01:12:40,834 I know they won't, however, it's not too early 1588 01:12:40,965 --> 01:12:43,402 to tell that had Charlie's parents 1589 01:12:43,533 --> 01:12:45,273 been informed about the existence of 1590 01:12:45,404 --> 01:12:48,146 the ketogenic diet when he first got sick, 1591 01:12:48,276 --> 01:12:50,496 and about the success they've had with it 1592 01:12:50,627 --> 01:12:53,238 at Johns Hopkins, a vast majority 1593 01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:55,762 of Charlie's seizures would not have occurred. 1594 01:12:55,893 --> 01:12:59,157 And most of his $100,000 worth of medical, 1595 01:12:59,287 --> 01:13:02,595 surgical and drug treatment would not have been necessary. 1596 01:13:02,726 --> 01:13:05,946 [solemn music] 1597 01:13:06,077 --> 01:13:11,430 Even today, 1.5 out of every 10,000 people 1598 01:13:11,561 --> 01:13:15,826 with epilepsy who would benefit from a ketogenic diet 1599 01:13:15,956 --> 01:13:19,395 are using it today. Doctors are not taught 1600 01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:24,400 diet therapy or even nutrition in medical school, 1601 01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:27,359 they just simply aren't. Try an informal 1602 01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:29,274 survey on your own, next time you see 1603 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,407 a doctor, your doctor, any doctor, 1604 01:13:31,537 --> 01:13:33,583 say, "When you were in medical school, 1605 01:13:33,713 --> 01:13:37,456 how long were you, how much time 1606 01:13:37,587 --> 01:13:39,676 did you spend investigating and learning 1607 01:13:39,806 --> 01:13:42,156 about nutrition and diet therapy?" 1608 01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:44,942 I didn't really have much nutritional training like most doctors. 1609 01:13:45,072 --> 01:13:47,031 In four years of psychiatry training, 1610 01:13:47,161 --> 01:13:48,728 we didn't talk about food once. 1611 01:13:48,859 --> 01:13:51,252 The extent of my training, I got in nutrition, 1612 01:13:51,383 --> 01:13:54,299 let's see, year one, two, three, four 1613 01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:56,040 then four years of residency, zero. 1614 01:14:00,174 --> 01:14:02,699 Zero, I got zero in addiction too. 1615 01:14:02,829 --> 01:14:04,744 Zero in nutrition, zero in addiction. 1616 01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,834 We were-- we were so damn busy taking care of sick 1617 01:14:07,965 --> 01:14:09,575 taking care of illness and trying 1618 01:14:09,706 --> 01:14:11,534 to push that back and save lives 1619 01:14:11,664 --> 01:14:13,144 that trying to prevent illness 1620 01:14:13,274 --> 01:14:14,537 was not really on our radar. 1621 01:14:17,061 --> 01:14:20,543 I feel anger, I'm pissed off 1622 01:14:20,673 --> 01:14:25,156 and again, I think that part-- that the reasons 1623 01:14:25,286 --> 01:14:28,202 that the diet hasn't become more popular 1624 01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:30,596 has nothing to do with efficacy at all. 1625 01:14:30,727 --> 01:14:33,947 It has to do with revenue sources 1626 01:14:34,078 --> 01:14:36,559 that are more lucrative. The ketogenic diet 1627 01:14:36,689 --> 01:14:39,344 isn't that expensive, the problem is 1628 01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:43,391 it doesn't generate revenue for the medical world. 1629 01:14:43,522 --> 01:14:46,960 There are powerful forces at work 1630 01:14:47,091 --> 01:14:50,094 in our medical system that have nothing 1631 01:14:50,224 --> 01:14:51,225 to do with good health. 1632 01:14:51,661 --> 01:14:53,401 My patients have been getting fatter 1633 01:14:53,532 --> 01:14:55,752 and sicker over the last few decades 1634 01:14:55,882 --> 01:14:58,189 and in particular, we're starting to see 1635 01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:00,626 diabetes out of control, and that changes everything. 1636 01:15:01,714 --> 01:15:03,542 I used to see the occasional person 1637 01:15:03,673 --> 01:15:05,631 who needed diabetic foot ulcer management 1638 01:15:05,762 --> 01:15:09,156 and needing an amputation, and it started becoming virtually weekly. 1639 01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:13,683 When you come into a clinic and there's patients 1640 01:15:13,813 --> 01:15:17,295 with, you know, rotting flesh and it is rotting flesh 1641 01:15:17,425 --> 01:15:21,386 and it smells bad, it looks bad 1642 01:15:21,517 --> 01:15:23,649 and all you're doing is just trimming 1643 01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:26,696 off a little bit of foot, starts with a toe, 1644 01:15:26,826 --> 01:15:29,525 starts with an ulcer, then it moves up the foot 1645 01:15:29,655 --> 01:15:34,530 and sometimes you know, you get to a point after doing two or three operations 1646 01:15:34,660 --> 01:15:37,707 it's been going a couple of months and then the decision is you've actually 1647 01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:38,664 got to chop that leg off. 1648 01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:41,711 [sawing through bone] 1649 01:15:42,799 --> 01:15:45,062 There's something which really upsets me 1650 01:15:45,192 --> 01:15:46,716 and that's when you actually amputate 1651 01:15:46,846 --> 01:15:49,240 someone's limb, there's a sound of actually 1652 01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:50,981 dropping that leg into a bucket. 1653 01:15:51,111 --> 01:15:52,373 [thump] 1654 01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:56,116 I don't want anyone to hear that, you know, that noise, 1655 01:15:56,247 --> 01:16:01,034 it's just... Yeah it's just sickening, I started talking 1656 01:16:01,165 --> 01:16:03,341 to my patients about reducing sugar 1657 01:16:03,471 --> 01:16:05,082 and the benefits were immediate. 1658 01:16:05,212 --> 01:16:08,564 Not only would the peoples fatty liver disease 1659 01:16:08,694 --> 01:16:11,697 get better, not only would all of their blood 1660 01:16:11,828 --> 01:16:13,830 numbers get better, but in fact, 1661 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,485 he would not have to end up chopping off a foot or a leg. 1662 01:16:17,616 --> 01:16:20,663 I then went to the hospital dieticians 1663 01:16:20,793 --> 01:16:22,447 and said hang on, this is really exciting 1664 01:16:22,578 --> 01:16:25,189 this stuff about sugar, started talking about it 1665 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,671 to the staff and then I started implementing 1666 01:16:28,801 --> 01:16:31,848 a sugar reduction for my patients, 1667 01:16:31,978 --> 01:16:33,589 only to find out that I was starting 1668 01:16:33,719 --> 01:16:35,068 to tread on some big toes. 1669 01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,810 The dieticians then started kicking up 1670 01:16:37,941 --> 01:16:40,596 a stink about that involving their parent organization, 1671 01:16:40,726 --> 01:16:42,815 the Dieticians Association of Australia 1672 01:16:42,946 --> 01:16:46,819 who started becoming involved into pressuring 1673 01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:48,604 the hospital into silencing me. 1674 01:16:48,734 --> 01:16:50,823 We received evidence in Sydney 1675 01:16:50,954 --> 01:16:53,478 from a medical practitioner in Tasmania, 1676 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:57,874 Dr. Gary Fettke, he gave the evidence to 1677 01:16:58,004 --> 01:16:59,832 the Committee in the morning of our hearing 1678 01:16:59,963 --> 01:17:03,923 in Sydney, three hours later, he received 1679 01:17:04,054 --> 01:17:05,751 an official caution from APRA. 1680 01:17:05,882 --> 01:17:07,274 The first time I heard this story, 1681 01:17:07,405 --> 01:17:08,580 I just thought it was a joke. 1682 01:17:08,711 --> 01:17:11,017 The Boards actual statement requires 1683 01:17:11,148 --> 01:17:13,672 that doctors double check that their personal beliefs 1684 01:17:13,803 --> 01:17:15,848 don't compromise care, that they don't put 1685 01:17:15,979 --> 01:17:18,285 their commercial interest in front of patients 1686 01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:20,287 and lastly, doctors should provide 1687 01:17:20,418 --> 01:17:22,463 appropriate dietary advice. 1688 01:17:22,594 --> 01:17:24,814 Ultimately, the Medical Board made a ruling 1689 01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:29,166 that I am now the only doctor as far as we know 1690 01:17:29,296 --> 01:17:31,647 in the world to be banned from advising 1691 01:17:31,777 --> 01:17:35,215 his patients to reduce their sugar and junk food intake. 1692 01:17:36,564 --> 01:17:39,045 And if that sounds crazy, then that's what it is. 1693 01:17:39,872 --> 01:17:43,789 We recognize that uh, the-- being subject 1694 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,922 to the notifications process for a practitioner 1695 01:17:46,052 --> 01:17:48,794 can be an extraordinarily stressful, uh, thing 1696 01:17:48,925 --> 01:17:51,928 because there are pretty serious issues at stake 1697 01:17:52,058 --> 01:17:53,581 ultimately in terms of their practice 1698 01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:56,367 -of their profession and-- -And their reputation. 1699 01:17:56,497 --> 01:18:00,240 And their reputation and, uh, despite the fact 1700 01:18:00,371 --> 01:18:02,286 that we are not punitive in our focus, 1701 01:18:02,416 --> 01:18:03,722 we are protective in our focus 1702 01:18:03,853 --> 01:18:06,246 and our mandate is a public protection focus 1703 01:18:06,377 --> 01:18:08,118 we understand and appreciate that it may not 1704 01:18:08,248 --> 01:18:09,989 feel like that for the practitioner 1705 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,295 involved in the process. 1706 01:18:11,425 --> 01:18:12,775 For a long time, I couldn't actually 1707 01:18:12,905 --> 01:18:14,777 work out why there was anything actually 1708 01:18:14,907 --> 01:18:17,083 against what I was talking about, 1709 01:18:17,214 --> 01:18:20,478 everything about reducing sugar and carbohydrate 1710 01:18:20,608 --> 01:18:22,872 is basic biochemistry, it's in the first 1711 01:18:23,002 --> 01:18:27,659 hundred pages of textbooks, so there's nothing 1712 01:18:27,790 --> 01:18:30,967 extreme about it, once you see the results 1713 01:18:31,097 --> 01:18:34,753 of reducing sugar and carbs, particularly in diabetes, 1714 01:18:34,884 --> 01:18:36,276 you can't unsee them. 1715 01:18:36,407 --> 01:18:40,411 You know, at this point, I think there is active 1716 01:18:40,541 --> 01:18:42,413 suppression of this science, 1717 01:18:42,543 --> 01:18:44,937 and this has been going on since the 60s. 1718 01:18:45,068 --> 01:18:46,722 One of the things I found in my research, 1719 01:18:46,852 --> 01:18:49,507 the biggest ever test of Ancel Keys' hypothesis 1720 01:18:49,637 --> 01:18:51,814 was something called The Minnesota Coronary Survey 1721 01:18:51,944 --> 01:18:54,904 it was on more than nine thousand men and women 1722 01:18:55,034 --> 01:18:59,299 in five Minnesota mental hospitals, which was a really well-controlled study 1723 01:18:59,430 --> 01:19:02,825 because somebody in a hospital, you can control everything they're eating. 1724 01:19:02,955 --> 01:19:07,003 They gave half the people what was considered the normal amount of saturated fat, 1725 01:19:07,133 --> 01:19:10,658 regular milk, regular meat, cheese, butter etcetera. 1726 01:19:10,789 --> 01:19:13,749 The other half they gave 9% saturated fats 1727 01:19:13,879 --> 01:19:15,707 soy-filled milk, soy-filled cheese, 1728 01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:18,536 soy-filled burgers, they found that the people 1729 01:19:18,666 --> 01:19:21,844 on the vegetable oil, soy-filled diets 1730 01:19:21,974 --> 01:19:24,716 there was no effect on cardiovascular mortality 1731 01:19:24,847 --> 01:19:26,631 or total mortality. That study 1732 01:19:26,762 --> 01:19:29,460 was not published for 16 years. 1733 01:19:30,591 --> 01:19:31,897 One of the principle investigators, 1734 01:19:32,028 --> 01:19:33,638 Ivan Frantz was asked by a journalist 1735 01:19:33,769 --> 01:19:35,509 why did you not publish this study? 1736 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,860 He said well, there was really nothing wrong with it 1737 01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:40,993 we were just so disappointed in the way it came out. 1738 01:19:41,341 --> 01:19:44,910 Well that's basically scientific fraud, 1739 01:19:45,041 --> 01:19:46,085 not publishing your results. 1740 01:19:47,870 --> 01:19:51,787 I started to ask the question what got in the way? 1741 01:19:51,917 --> 01:19:55,094 What's withholding the message? 1742 01:19:55,225 --> 01:19:59,969 Well, there is a pharmaceutical and medical 1743 01:20:00,099 --> 01:20:02,841 device industry that makes billions 1744 01:20:02,972 --> 01:20:05,975 selling their products to doctors 1745 01:20:06,105 --> 01:20:09,500 who have no interest in diet therapy. 1746 01:20:09,630 --> 01:20:14,505 There, uh, is a sugar industry that adds 1747 01:20:14,635 --> 01:20:17,464 sugar to all of our processed foods 1748 01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:21,512 that has no interest in promoting a sugar-free diet. 1749 01:20:21,642 --> 01:20:25,124 There is a cardiology community led by 1750 01:20:25,255 --> 01:20:27,605 the American Heart Association 1751 01:20:27,735 --> 01:20:31,130 that has been spreading misinformation 1752 01:20:31,261 --> 01:20:35,178 about a high-fat diet based on flawed science 1753 01:20:35,308 --> 01:20:37,180 for over 70 years. 1754 01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:39,182 Those diets have been used in children 1755 01:20:39,312 --> 01:20:41,532 for many years who have epilepsy 1756 01:20:41,662 --> 01:20:43,273 and those children show definite 1757 01:20:43,403 --> 01:20:46,406 cognitive dysfunction, also those diets. 1758 01:20:46,537 --> 01:20:48,147 Which means they don't think as clearly. 1759 01:20:48,278 --> 01:20:49,845 -That's right. -Those children are also 1760 01:20:49,975 --> 01:20:51,498 children who have as many, they're intransigent 1761 01:20:51,629 --> 01:20:52,848 childhood epilepsy, they have as many 1762 01:20:52,978 --> 01:20:55,851 as 400 seizures a month, they're untreatable 1763 01:20:55,981 --> 01:20:58,636 by drugs, they go on the diet, and the diets 1764 01:20:58,766 --> 01:21:01,465 I think it cures 33% of them, cures them. 1765 01:21:01,595 --> 01:21:04,903 The epilepsy and then they aren't able to think. 1766 01:21:05,034 --> 01:21:10,169 Today Charlie is a elementary school teacher 1767 01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:12,868 a certificate in early childhood education, 1768 01:21:12,998 --> 01:21:16,784 he boxes, he plays piano, and we are 1769 01:21:17,742 --> 01:21:21,224 beyond grateful every day for his outcome. 1770 01:21:21,354 --> 01:21:23,356 I'm not sure what would have become of me 1771 01:21:23,487 --> 01:21:26,707 if my family hadn't found the ketogenic diet. 1772 01:21:26,838 --> 01:21:30,407 But I doubt that today, I would be an A student 1773 01:21:30,537 --> 01:21:32,931 in high school with lots of friends. 1774 01:21:33,062 --> 01:21:35,368 I doubt I would have been playing piano 1775 01:21:35,499 --> 01:21:37,066 for the last eight years and I doubt 1776 01:21:37,196 --> 01:21:39,720 I could hit an 8 iron a 160 yards. 1777 01:21:40,852 --> 01:21:43,115 And they just couldn't accept that they were dealing with these 1778 01:21:43,246 --> 01:21:46,031 intractable conditions and not just pediatric 1779 01:21:46,162 --> 01:21:48,642 epilepsy, but obesity is an intractable condition, 1780 01:21:48,773 --> 01:21:51,907 diabetes, Type 2 diabetes is an intractable condition, 1781 01:21:52,037 --> 01:21:53,909 Type 1 is, and here you have this diet 1782 01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:56,563 that appears to put these conditions into remission. 1783 01:21:56,694 --> 01:21:59,044 The establishment here, represented 1784 01:21:59,175 --> 01:22:01,046 by our friends, its a little too dogmatic 1785 01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:02,918 and that we may never know the truth 1786 01:22:03,048 --> 01:22:05,746 unless we acknowledge that there is a counter-theory 1787 01:22:05,877 --> 01:22:07,487 that has never been tested and that 1788 01:22:07,618 --> 01:22:09,054 that theory more and more people 1789 01:22:09,185 --> 01:22:11,970 are beginning to accept parts of the theory, 1790 01:22:12,101 --> 01:22:14,146 as being legitimate and that it could 1791 01:22:14,277 --> 01:22:15,800 answer a lot of problems and it could 1792 01:22:15,931 --> 01:22:17,584 even make it easier for Americans to lose weight. 1793 01:22:17,715 --> 01:22:19,369 People are able to reverse diabetes, 1794 01:22:19,499 --> 01:22:21,806 people are able to lose weight sustainably. 1795 01:22:21,937 --> 01:22:24,504 Most, if not all cardiovascular risk factors 1796 01:22:24,635 --> 01:22:26,942 are improved along the way on a lower 1797 01:22:27,072 --> 01:22:30,989 carbohydrate diet. That diet ought to be at least considered. 1798 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,122 If it turns out to be true, I'll be the first 1799 01:22:33,252 --> 01:22:34,906 to change my mind, but show me the data. 1800 01:22:35,037 --> 01:22:36,952 [Vinnie] Well, here's just one study that says 1801 01:22:37,082 --> 01:22:39,389 that long term ketosis reduces body weight, 1802 01:22:39,519 --> 01:22:42,261 triglycerides, LDL, and blood glucose 1803 01:22:42,392 --> 01:22:44,394 and shows that it's safe to use a long term 1804 01:22:44,524 --> 01:22:46,526 -ketogenic diet. -You can lose weight on 1805 01:22:46,657 --> 01:22:48,137 a plant-based diet, you can lose weight 1806 01:22:48,267 --> 01:22:50,487 on a ketogenic diet, but are you 1807 01:22:50,617 --> 01:22:51,967 mortgaging your health when you do that, 1808 01:22:52,097 --> 01:22:54,012 and the answer is yes, the ketogenic diet 1809 01:22:54,143 --> 01:22:56,145 when you look at the arteries of people 1810 01:22:56,275 --> 01:22:58,495 or animals that go on a ketogenic diet 1811 01:22:58,625 --> 01:23:00,062 they tend to be more clogged, 1812 01:23:00,192 --> 01:23:01,237 even though... [music drowns out talking]. 1813 01:23:03,195 --> 01:23:06,416 [Gary] Imagine someone who spent his whole career getting the wrong answer, 1814 01:23:06,546 --> 01:23:08,157 and not only getting the wrong answer, getting the wrong 1815 01:23:08,287 --> 01:23:09,985 answer that dangerous, that actually 1816 01:23:10,115 --> 01:23:12,552 may have killed tens of thousands 1817 01:23:12,683 --> 01:23:14,467 of hundreds of thousands of people. 1818 01:23:14,598 --> 01:23:16,121 Millions of people prematurely, there's no 1819 01:23:16,252 --> 01:23:17,993 way to tell, then these outsiders 1820 01:23:18,123 --> 01:23:20,125 come along and say you're wrong, 1821 01:23:20,256 --> 01:23:23,128 not only are you wrong, you're completely wrong 1822 01:23:23,259 --> 01:23:25,870 or not even wrong it's so senseless 1823 01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:27,263 what you've been doing and you're killing people 1824 01:23:27,393 --> 01:23:29,004 and you have to switch. I don't think 1825 01:23:29,134 --> 01:23:31,484 any human being, I mean were just not wired 1826 01:23:31,615 --> 01:23:34,574 to be able to say oh yeah, that's a good point 1827 01:23:34,705 --> 01:23:36,098 I get it, I see what you're saying 1828 01:23:36,228 --> 01:23:39,275 and I'm sorry. And if you're an institution 1829 01:23:39,405 --> 01:23:41,016 like the American Heart Association, 1830 01:23:41,146 --> 01:23:43,322 I mean imagine the press release 1831 01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:45,194 you would have to write, "Dear American public 1832 01:23:45,324 --> 01:23:47,892 we're sorry if we killed prematurely 1833 01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:50,503 your loved ones and your parents 1834 01:23:50,634 --> 01:23:53,071 and maybe we're killing you, but in retrospect 1835 01:23:53,202 --> 01:23:56,074 we shouldn't have given the advice we did." 1836 01:23:56,205 --> 01:23:59,947 -[somber music] -You know, we think 1837 01:24:00,078 --> 01:24:02,950 about corporations are-- our Government 1838 01:24:03,081 --> 01:24:07,042 which is a corporation, and the first question is 1839 01:24:07,172 --> 01:24:10,045 do we blame them? Well, you can't hurt 1840 01:24:10,175 --> 01:24:12,177 the Government's feelings, you can't hurt 1841 01:24:12,308 --> 01:24:14,049 the corporations' feeling because 1842 01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:16,703 corporations and governments are not people. 1843 01:24:17,443 --> 01:24:20,229 They're machines, they're just big giant machines 1844 01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:23,710 and any person in that machine is just a cog 1845 01:24:23,841 --> 01:24:25,582 and there's no way to hurt anyone's feelings 1846 01:24:25,712 --> 01:24:27,671 or to get on anyone's bad side. 1847 01:24:27,801 --> 01:24:29,368 It's just a machine that keeps running. 1848 01:24:31,588 --> 01:24:34,982 [Dwight D. Eisenhower] Decisions of a nation, and of a Government 1849 01:24:35,113 --> 01:24:38,160 that at one time could tolerate 1850 01:24:38,290 --> 01:24:41,815 three or four weeks of study, now demand 1851 01:24:41,946 --> 01:24:45,428 almost instantaneous a reaction. 1852 01:24:45,558 --> 01:24:47,082 The people of the United States 1853 01:24:47,212 --> 01:24:51,695 recognize one by one, thousand by thousand, 1854 01:24:51,825 --> 01:24:54,089 million by million that this I a problem 1855 01:24:54,219 --> 01:24:56,656 which solution is long overdue. 1856 01:24:56,787 --> 01:24:59,485 [Lyndon B. Johnson] Long before Lyndon Johnson came into position 1857 01:24:59,616 --> 01:25:02,140 of power, our leaders were recommending 1858 01:25:02,271 --> 01:25:06,101 great advances in the field of civil rights 1859 01:25:06,231 --> 01:25:07,972 and great advances in the field of health 1860 01:25:08,103 --> 01:25:09,669 and things of that nature. 1861 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,716 Uh, I just happened to be the catalyst. 1862 01:25:12,846 --> 01:25:15,414 We're living in a fast age and all of us 1863 01:25:15,545 --> 01:25:17,112 are rather impatient. 1864 01:25:17,242 --> 01:25:20,115 I am proposing today a new national health strategy. 1865 01:25:20,245 --> 01:25:23,161 Emphasizes keeping people well, 1866 01:25:23,292 --> 01:25:25,424 not just making people well. 1867 01:25:25,555 --> 01:25:28,123 I do envision the day when we may use 1868 01:25:28,253 --> 01:25:30,299 the private health insurance system, 1869 01:25:30,429 --> 01:25:33,693 to offer more middle income families 1870 01:25:33,824 --> 01:25:37,132 high quality health services at prices they can afford 1871 01:25:37,262 --> 01:25:41,614 and shield them also from their catastrophic illnesses. 1872 01:25:41,745 --> 01:25:44,400 Today I'm proposing to the Congress 1873 01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:48,404 a national health plan, this major initiative 1874 01:25:48,534 --> 01:25:50,449 will meet the most urgent needs 1875 01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:52,582 in health care of the American people. 1876 01:25:52,712 --> 01:25:55,019 Our Administration will propose to Congress 1877 01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:58,457 a comprehensive plan to cover catastrophic illnesses. 1878 01:25:58,588 --> 01:26:01,156 I am proud to have been part of an Administration 1879 01:26:01,286 --> 01:26:03,897 that passed the first Catastrophic Health Bill. 1880 01:26:04,028 --> 01:26:05,464 Whatever form it takes, 1881 01:26:05,595 --> 01:26:07,858 a catastrophic illness costs money. 1882 01:26:07,988 --> 01:26:09,947 [Bill Clinton] There are some little known but very important 1883 01:26:10,077 --> 01:26:12,254 provisions in this new balanced budget 1884 01:26:12,384 --> 01:26:15,170 that will take us a tremendous step 1885 01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:17,911 forward in our fight against diabetes. 1886 01:26:18,042 --> 01:26:20,218 These investments total more than 1887 01:26:20,349 --> 01:26:23,178 two billion dollars over the next five years. 1888 01:26:23,308 --> 01:26:25,832 We must remember that the best health care decisions 1889 01:26:25,963 --> 01:26:29,227 are not made by Government and insurance companies 1890 01:26:29,358 --> 01:26:31,577 but by patients and their doctors. 1891 01:26:31,708 --> 01:26:33,188 [audience applauds] 1892 01:26:33,318 --> 01:26:34,667 [Barack Obama] Because you're eating heathy, 1893 01:26:34,798 --> 01:26:36,582 and you're out there active and you're playing 1894 01:26:36,713 --> 01:26:38,193 sports and you're out in the playground 1895 01:26:38,323 --> 01:26:41,761 and doing all those things, not only 1896 01:26:41,892 --> 01:26:44,764 are you gonna have a better life, 1897 01:26:44,895 --> 01:26:47,027 but you're also helping to create 1898 01:26:47,158 --> 01:26:48,551 a stronger, healthier America, 1899 01:26:48,681 --> 01:26:50,292 and that saves us money, it means people 1900 01:26:50,422 --> 01:26:52,772 are not sick as much, it means that 1901 01:26:52,903 --> 01:26:55,079 our health care costs go down. 1902 01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:58,213 When you roll up at a McDonalds, what does Donald Trump order? 1903 01:26:58,343 --> 01:27:01,520 A Fish-O-Filet sometimes, right. 1904 01:27:01,651 --> 01:27:04,741 The Big Macs are great, the Quarter Pounder with cheese, I mean there's great stuff. 1905 01:27:04,871 --> 01:27:07,047 Do people at the windows be like, "What?" 1906 01:27:07,091 --> 01:27:08,397 I think all of those places, Burger King 1907 01:27:08,527 --> 01:27:10,442 McDonalds, I can live with them. 1908 01:27:10,573 --> 01:27:12,357 I had the other night, I had Kentucky Fried Chicken, 1909 01:27:12,488 --> 01:27:13,880 not the worst thing in the world. 1910 01:27:14,446 --> 01:27:16,231 If you think it's up to Government, you're wrong, 1911 01:27:16,274 --> 01:27:18,015 if you think it's up to industry, 1912 01:27:18,145 --> 01:27:20,278 you're wrong, it's up to you. And if you're gonna 1913 01:27:20,409 --> 01:27:22,498 make a change, if you're watching this, 1914 01:27:22,628 --> 01:27:24,935 change right now, tonight, don't wait 1915 01:27:25,065 --> 01:27:27,242 until tomorrow, if it's a Friday night 1916 01:27:27,372 --> 01:27:29,287 don't say Monday you're gonna start, 1917 01:27:29,418 --> 01:27:32,247 start now, there's no time better than right now 1918 01:27:32,377 --> 01:27:33,944 to get your life in order. 1919 01:27:34,336 --> 01:27:35,728 [dramatic music] 1920 01:28:04,757 --> 01:28:07,282 [somber music] 1921 01:29:25,925 --> 01:29:29,799 I've been doing a podcast with Anna Vocino for about seven years. 1922 01:29:29,929 --> 01:29:33,672 When we first started the podcast, uh, nobody was listening. 1923 01:29:33,803 --> 01:29:35,848 Someone's gone, alright, I wanna lose weight 1924 01:29:35,979 --> 01:29:38,329 wait, that steak is 1200 calories. 1925 01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:42,072 This bowl of pasta is 500 calories less? 1926 01:29:42,202 --> 01:29:44,379 And, as a woman, you're told 1927 01:29:44,509 --> 01:29:46,337 don't eat more than 1200 calories a day 1928 01:29:46,468 --> 01:29:48,383 if you wanna lose weight, so you think 1929 01:29:48,513 --> 01:29:50,733 oh, I can't have that steak, because that's my whole day! 1930 01:29:50,863 --> 01:29:52,474 We started attracting the attention 1931 01:29:52,604 --> 01:29:54,563 of people in the low carb community, 1932 01:29:54,693 --> 01:29:57,217 doctors, authors, like Gary Taubes 1933 01:29:57,348 --> 01:29:59,350 and Nina Teicholz, it's important for us 1934 01:29:59,481 --> 01:30:01,961 to have the experts on, 'cause we're like see 1935 01:30:02,092 --> 01:30:03,354 what that guy said [laughs]. 1936 01:30:03,485 --> 01:30:06,662 Anna also, turns out, is a great cook. 1937 01:30:06,792 --> 01:30:09,360 [Anna] As a person who works with food a lot, 1938 01:30:09,491 --> 01:30:12,319 I get asked many questions about 1939 01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:16,062 fake sweeteners or fake this or fake that 1940 01:30:16,193 --> 01:30:18,195 and I personally think it's gonna have to 1941 01:30:18,325 --> 01:30:19,762 go in an even more natural direction 1942 01:30:19,892 --> 01:30:22,286 to where we just have this return to just 1943 01:30:22,417 --> 01:30:26,072 eating food in its most natural state. 1944 01:30:35,212 --> 01:30:37,780 Vinnie and I are very passionate 1945 01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:39,521 about this topic, let's say you watched 1946 01:30:39,651 --> 01:30:41,392 this documentary, let's say you watched 1947 01:30:41,523 --> 01:30:43,133 the others and you're like, this is it, 1948 01:30:43,263 --> 01:30:45,962 I'm gonna do this. I am going to give up 1949 01:30:46,092 --> 01:30:47,572 the processed sugars and grains 1950 01:30:47,703 --> 01:30:50,227 and I'm gonna go for a high-fat, low-carb diet 1951 01:30:50,357 --> 01:30:53,230 and which you should, do it, try it. 1952 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:57,887 It can't hurt to not have sugars and grains. 1953 01:30:58,017 --> 01:31:01,891 Like just try it. When that happens 1954 01:31:02,021 --> 01:31:03,980 and there's an adjustment phase, 1955 01:31:04,110 --> 01:31:06,809 all of us in this country, myself included, 1956 01:31:06,939 --> 01:31:08,724 have been in the diet mentality. 1957 01:31:08,854 --> 01:31:11,030 If we can peel back that diet mentality, 1958 01:31:11,161 --> 01:31:12,379 it would be amazing. 1959 01:31:12,945 --> 01:31:15,252 ♪ 151841

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