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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:50,878 Boy: I'll give you a boost if you want. 2 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:52,108 Laura: I don't need your help. 3 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:54,068 Keith: Ooh. Hell, she got you, buddy. 4 00:01:54,698 --> 00:01:56,484 Toss them beers. Here you go. 5 00:01:56,908 --> 00:01:58,819 You got it? Okay, let's go! 6 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,405 All right. All right. 7 00:02:02,164 --> 00:02:03,244 Hold up, hold up! The beer. 8 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:04,864 Take this. Take this. Come on. 9 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:07,960 These damn shoes! 10 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:27,644 Whoo! Come on in, it's warm! Come on, buddy! 11 00:02:29,691 --> 00:02:32,103 Look, you can even wash your hair! 12 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:34,351 I washed mine last month. 13 00:02:35,697 --> 00:02:37,153 Whoo! 14 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,821 Laura, Keith, come here! Look what I found. 15 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:47,977 Scruffy boy: Holy shit. Keith: What the hell's that? 16 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:49,881 Laura: What is it? Worker 1: The hell you doing? 17 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:51,868 Get out of here, now! 18 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:54,120 Geez! Come on! 19 00:02:58,178 --> 00:02:59,714 Worker: Goddamn kids. 20 00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:18,611 Turn off the beam, fool! 21 00:04:27,726 --> 00:04:30,342 Tom: Steve from dow, Ted from union carbide... 22 00:04:30,812 --> 00:04:33,679 Jerry from exxon and Andy from allied. 23 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:36,522 Welcome to taft law, gentlemen. 24 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:40,273 Before we get started, a little housekeeping. 25 00:04:40,363 --> 00:04:42,228 Um, all of you know this young man 26 00:04:42,324 --> 00:04:44,485 as the dedicated taft associate 27 00:04:44,576 --> 00:04:46,316 who for the past eight years has 28 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,369 buried himself in the superfund law. 29 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:50,944 I'm not paying for that cleanup. 30 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:53,699 Still it is my pleasure to share with you 31 00:04:54,169 --> 00:04:57,332 that just last week, Rob bilott was welcomed as a partner 32 00:04:57,422 --> 00:05:00,255 here at taft, stettinius & Hollister. 33 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:05,882 Good morning. Taft law. One moment. I'll connect you. 34 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:10,552 Good morning. Taft law. 35 00:05:11,561 --> 00:05:12,561 One moment, please. 36 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:19,020 It's the governor's office calling for uh, 37 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:20,854 calling for Mr. Burke. 38 00:05:24,032 --> 00:05:25,032 May I help you? 39 00:05:25,408 --> 00:05:27,364 Wilbur tennant calling on Robbie bilott. 40 00:05:28,078 --> 00:05:29,998 Rondell: Epa has saddled them with the whole bill 41 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:32,029 and given your client's history at that site, 42 00:05:34,292 --> 00:05:38,160 I'll take it back to them. Good. Tab 12, middletown... 43 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,454 I know. I'm sorry. 44 00:05:40,966 --> 00:05:43,127 But they won't leave. Who's they? 45 00:05:43,927 --> 00:05:46,168 I don't know. They say they know you. 46 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:53,308 Um... Robert bilott? 47 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:56,227 Um, yes. 48 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:00,641 They call it a landfill. A dump's what it is. 49 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:03,856 They told my brother and me no chemicals, just trash. 50 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:05,187 But we ain't stupid. 51 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:08,030 I made them videotapes myself. All the proof you need. 52 00:06:08,118 --> 00:06:09,998 They're poisonin' the creek, killing my animals. 53 00:06:10,078 --> 00:06:12,118 I'm in the middle of a meeting. So, I want a lawyer. 54 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:14,821 Every damn one in parkersburg's too yella to take my case. 55 00:06:14,916 --> 00:06:16,622 Rob. He wants you back in there. 56 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,541 They all scared shitless at dupont. 57 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:19,868 Well, I ain't scared of nobody. 58 00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:21,544 Okay. Kathleen is my paralegal. 59 00:06:21,631 --> 00:06:23,747 She's gonna give you a directory of lawyers. 60 00:06:23,842 --> 00:06:25,252 That's why I called your grandma. 61 00:06:27,596 --> 00:06:29,552 What? My neighbor who tells me, 62 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:30,799 call Alma white. 63 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:34,466 Her grandson's some fancy environment lawyer down in Cincinnati. 64 00:06:39,858 --> 00:06:43,100 Sir, I am a corporate defense attorney. 65 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:46,027 S07? I defend chemical companies. 66 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,989 Well, now you can defend me. Tom: Rob! 67 00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:52,233 Uh, 30 seconds, Tom. 68 00:06:53,204 --> 00:06:55,115 Uh, I'm sorry, Mr... Tennant. 69 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:57,243 I can offer you a referral. 70 00:06:57,334 --> 00:07:00,201 But I just don't see how I can be of any help to you. 71 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:02,377 You can start by watching them tapes for one thing. 72 00:07:02,464 --> 00:07:03,954 Oh, let's go, Earl. 73 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,877 I'm sorry. I... I wish you all the luck. 74 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:08,237 I don't need your damn luck, boy! 75 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:09,626 I need your help! Tom: Rob! 76 00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:14,138 Come on. 77 00:07:21,358 --> 00:07:23,394 I'm not arguing with the overall analysis. 78 00:07:23,818 --> 00:07:26,560 My only point is that whatever we decide upon... 79 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:33,403 Lawyer: Thank you, gentlemen. 80 00:07:35,872 --> 00:07:37,072 Do you know where we're going? 81 00:07:37,916 --> 00:07:39,656 There's a place right around the corner. 82 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,829 Yeah? What the hell was that all about? 83 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:45,420 He knows my grandmother. Really? 84 00:07:45,715 --> 00:07:47,876 Well, my mom's from West Virginia. 85 00:07:47,968 --> 00:07:49,833 Uh, from a town, parkersburg. 86 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:52,760 Not us. My... My father was air force. 87 00:07:52,847 --> 00:07:54,053 We... we moved around a lot, 88 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:55,368 but we spent the summers there. 89 00:07:55,392 --> 00:07:57,633 Dow lawyer: Come on, terp. You're buying. Of course I am. 90 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,227 You can be from West Virginia, Rob. 91 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:03,513 I won't tell anyone. 92 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:11,404 Tom: All right, gentlemen. Morton's it is. 93 00:08:13,284 --> 00:08:15,525 Still deigned to eat with us lowly associates? 94 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:19,745 You can't drive an American car. 95 00:08:21,167 --> 00:08:24,000 Taft-hartley, union busting? 96 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:25,748 We practically invented it. 97 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:27,041 "We?" 98 00:08:27,132 --> 00:08:28,963 Besides, I know a highly esteemed partner 99 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:30,130 who still drives American. 100 00:08:30,218 --> 00:08:31,503 Some real clunkers too. Okay, 101 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:33,339 yeah, but he collects them. 102 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:35,128 That's different. Like his 103 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:36,713 no-name college and law school. 104 00:08:36,808 --> 00:08:38,035 No offense. Are you listening to this? 105 00:08:38,059 --> 00:08:39,390 Hey, you guys go ahead, all right? 106 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:42,385 Look, I didn't mean anything by it. No. I gotta make a call. 107 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,541 It's all right. I'll see you there. 108 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:44,930 Okay, we'll save you a fish log. 109 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:50,018 You can be such an asshole. James: Karla, it was a joke. 110 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:51,932 Karla: Yeah. James: We always joke. 111 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:54,030 Karla: Oh, yeah. You guys are a couple of jokesters. 112 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:06,288 Alma: You've reached the residence of Alma white. 113 00:09:06,755 --> 00:09:08,620 I can't come to the phone right now... 114 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:12,048 He's good. He's home early tonight actually. 115 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:15,050 Sarah's mom: Tell him I said, howdy, partner. 116 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:16,635 She says, "howdy, partner." 117 00:09:17,098 --> 00:09:18,804 Are we ever gonna see him again on Sundays? 118 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:20,928 Yes, he can still come to Sunday dinners, mom. 119 00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:23,179 He's a partner, not the President of the United States. 120 00:09:23,229 --> 00:09:25,015 I wanna make... Do you have my bundt pan? 121 00:09:25,106 --> 00:09:26,106 Returned it. 122 00:09:26,191 --> 00:09:27,293 Where? I looked under the counter. 123 00:09:27,317 --> 00:09:29,683 It's the right hand cupboard, in the plastic. Yeah. 124 00:09:30,945 --> 00:09:32,560 Okay, well, we just sat down. 125 00:09:32,655 --> 00:09:33,655 All right, dear. 126 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:34,820 So, I gotta go. 127 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:35,908 Love to Rob and Teddy. 128 00:09:35,992 --> 00:09:37,512 All right, see you Sunday. Love to dad. 129 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:38,577 Talk to you later. 130 00:09:38,661 --> 00:09:39,972 Can you pretend to be surprised about the cake? 131 00:09:39,996 --> 00:09:41,327 She wants it to be very special. 132 00:09:42,248 --> 00:09:44,239 Oh, and the granite samples came in. 133 00:09:44,334 --> 00:09:45,853 Can you pick them up on your way home tomorrow? 134 00:09:45,877 --> 00:09:47,333 Mmm. Rob? 135 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:48,702 Hmm? Uh, sure. 136 00:09:55,595 --> 00:09:56,630 You okay? 137 00:09:57,097 --> 00:09:58,097 Yes. 138 00:09:59,015 --> 00:10:00,380 Bless us, our lord and thy gifts 139 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:02,161 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 140 00:10:02,185 --> 00:10:03,391 through Christ our lord. Amen. 141 00:10:03,728 --> 00:10:05,559 Thank you, god. Thank you for our family. 142 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:05,831 Thank you. 143 00:11:45,788 --> 00:11:50,202 Hi, grammers. What on earth! 144 00:11:52,337 --> 00:11:54,023 I tried to call, but you weren't picking up. 145 00:11:54,047 --> 00:11:57,414 Alma: Oh, well, you know me. My two fake knees. 146 00:11:57,508 --> 00:12:00,750 What are you doing here? 147 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,763 A farmer came to see me. 148 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:09,471 Wilbur tennant? 149 00:12:09,979 --> 00:12:11,185 You do know him. 150 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:14,355 I don't socialize with him, if that's what you mean. 151 00:12:16,027 --> 00:12:18,734 Inez Graham owned the farm next to his. 152 00:12:19,322 --> 00:12:22,064 I used to take you and Beth over there when you were little. 153 00:12:23,201 --> 00:12:24,281 That's the place? 154 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:39,299 Hmm. 155 00:12:41,135 --> 00:12:42,841 You rode that pony. Ar! 156 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:45,924 Rob: I loved that place. 157 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:49,132 Alma: Saw a cow for the first time. 158 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:51,099 Learned to milk it. 159 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:53,720 I remember you sittin' there for hours 160 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:56,272 making sure you got every last drop. 161 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:57,933 Just like you. 162 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:00,779 There. 163 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:02,698 Rob: Hmm. 164 00:13:03,199 --> 00:13:04,484 So you gonna help him? 165 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:06,493 Huh? 166 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:58,626 You come up the holler, dump's up the hill. 167 00:14:01,924 --> 00:14:04,085 Since I started complaining about my creek, 168 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,543 fence goes up. All blocked off. 169 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,845 Hi, I'm Rob. 170 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:15,604 Sandra. 171 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:21,187 Wilbur: The state, any veterinarian I've called in parkersburg, 172 00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:24,527 they will not return my phone calls. 173 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:26,195 Like I bite the hand that feeds. 174 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:28,442 No, it's all right. I've already... This here's a gall. 175 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:30,262 Look at the size of it. Ain't never seen 176 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:31,992 no gall that big. Bigger than the heart. 177 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:34,412 That your cows'? 178 00:14:34,499 --> 00:14:35,579 Look at them teeth. 179 00:14:38,294 --> 00:14:40,501 Black as night. Here. 180 00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:46,715 Hoof, all turned in on itself. 181 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:48,794 Half my calves born with hooves like that. 182 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:54,599 Tumor, I done cut off the back a heifer. 183 00:14:54,685 --> 00:14:56,266 How'd ya like that on your table? 184 00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:02,181 Rob: What am I looking for? 185 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:04,517 You blind, boy? 186 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:07,903 Stones as white as the hairs on my head. 187 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:11,532 Bleached! That's chemicals, I'm telling ya. 188 00:15:13,162 --> 00:15:16,245 My animals drink this water. Cool off in 'er. 189 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:19,666 Get them bloody welts, them dead eyes. 190 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:21,743 Charge at me, crazy-like. 191 00:15:21,838 --> 00:15:23,874 Animals that used to eat out of my own hand. 192 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:30,667 Rob: Where are the rest of them? 193 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:33,595 Come on. 194 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,442 Beginnin', I'd bury 'em. Each one. They're family. 195 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,196 It got to be so many, pile 'em up, set fire to... 196 00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,872 How many did you lose? 197 00:16:00,501 --> 00:16:02,958 190. 198 00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:06,663 190 cows? 199 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,668 You tell me nothing's wrong here. 200 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:19,885 And this landfill wasn't always here? 201 00:16:20,605 --> 00:16:24,974 No. My brother Jim used to dig ditches over at the dupont plant. 202 00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:27,600 Got sick, couldn't do it no more. 203 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:30,896 One day they come to him, offering to buy his land right up that holler. 204 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,191 They promised no chemicals. 205 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:37,026 And I assume you reached out to dupont? 206 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:38,986 Dupont, the state, the feds. 207 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:41,447 I called everybody there is dozens of times. 208 00:16:42,168 --> 00:16:44,580 Epa finally comes out here. Oh, they did. 209 00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:47,579 All for some report. What did it say? 210 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:49,380 You think they're gonna show me? 211 00:17:15,284 --> 00:17:16,444 Sarah: Okay. 212 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:24,866 He's been like this all day. Okay. Go on. 213 00:17:29,924 --> 00:17:32,006 Of course, you're a perfect angel for daddy. 214 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,133 Did you get the tile? Um, I'm sorry. No. 215 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,472 Rob. 216 00:17:42,687 --> 00:17:44,348 I didn't drive into town today. I'm sorry. 217 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:47,475 What do you mean you didn't drive into town? 218 00:17:48,109 --> 00:17:49,565 I had to go to parkersburg. 219 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,269 Parkersburg? Why'd you have to go to parkersburg? 220 00:17:54,657 --> 00:17:56,648 I may have a client there. 221 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,530 In West Virginia? What kind of a case would you have? 222 00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,448 He's a farmer. He knows my grammer. Not well, but... 223 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:09,080 So, you saw her? Was your mother there? 224 00:18:09,171 --> 00:18:12,413 Oh, come on, Sarah. I didn't sneak off to see my mother. 225 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:15,674 So, why did you sneak off? I didn't. 226 00:18:18,681 --> 00:18:21,969 Our speaker tonight's no stranger to the taft family. 227 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:25,764 Phillip Donnelly, Phil to us, 228 00:18:26,188 --> 00:18:28,895 serves as in-house corporate counsel at dupont. 229 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:33,355 Not only one of America's most revered chemical companies, 230 00:18:34,030 --> 00:18:36,942 but one of the few giants of the industry 231 00:18:37,033 --> 00:18:40,241 that taft doesn't represent. Not yet anyway! 232 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:42,906 Managing partner: That's the spirit, James. 233 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:47,661 We asked Phil here tonight, not just to show him what he's missing, 234 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:51,286 but to hear how a renowned leader of our industry 235 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,798 stays that way. Please welcome Phil Donnelly. 236 00:18:59,305 --> 00:19:01,387 Wish me luck. Go get 'em, Phil! 237 00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:06,050 At dupont, we're not producing chemicals for chemical's sake. 238 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,885 We're producing them for people's sake. 239 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:10,513 To make folks' lives easier. 240 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:13,065 Happier, longer. 241 00:19:14,403 --> 00:19:18,612 That's why better living through chemistry 242 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:21,486 is not just a slogan at dupont. 243 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,660 It's our DNA. 244 00:19:29,752 --> 00:19:31,583 Hey, Rob. Hello, Phil. 245 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,078 Is it true what Tom tells me? Yeah, it's true. 246 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,533 Well, good on them. They're lucky to have you. Thanks, Phil. 247 00:19:36,717 --> 00:19:38,457 Like I always tell my younger associates, 248 00:19:38,552 --> 00:19:40,793 just keep your head down and do the work. 249 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:45,052 Thanks. Uh, Phil, can I ask you sort of an odd question? 250 00:19:45,267 --> 00:19:46,473 Shoot. 251 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:49,135 Does the name wilbur tennant ring a bell? 252 00:19:50,398 --> 00:19:52,229 Tennet, did you say? Tennant. 253 00:19:52,775 --> 00:19:54,060 No. Not that I recall. 254 00:19:54,151 --> 00:19:56,767 Mr. tennant"s a farmer from West Virginia. 255 00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:00,070 His property abuts one of your landfills, dry run. 256 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:01,818 And his cows have been getting sick. 257 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:05,993 He thinks possibly because of the runoff from the landfill into his creek. 258 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,820 You're kidding me. How did this come to you? 259 00:20:07,915 --> 00:20:11,078 Kim: Hey, Phil! He's a farmer. He's... 260 00:20:12,044 --> 00:20:14,080 My grandmother's from parkersburg. 261 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,253 Really? Washington works. Great plant. 262 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:18,873 Right. She knows the tennants. So grandma's on your back? 263 00:20:18,968 --> 00:20:20,708 Something like that. Anyway, uh... 264 00:20:21,971 --> 00:20:25,555 The farmer said the epa came out, took a look around. I wondered... 265 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:27,590 The name of the landfill again? Dry run. 266 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,721 Dry run. Dry... 267 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:32,082 You know, that does ring a bell, now that you mention it. 268 00:20:32,106 --> 00:20:33,937 We may have even sent some folks out there. 269 00:20:34,191 --> 00:20:36,147 If I remember correctly, help epa check it out. 270 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:39,477 That's gotta be it. So, I'd love to share whatever came of that 271 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,608 with Mr. tennant. Help settle his nerves. 272 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:44,528 Absolutely. Soon as I'm back in Wilmington, I'll take a look. 273 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:47,493 Thanks, Phil. I really appreciate it. Happy to do it. 274 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:50,947 Now, let's get a drink and toast you, my friend. You. 275 00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:53,032 Okay. 276 00:21:01,218 --> 00:21:02,458 Mr. tennant! 277 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:13,011 Mr. tennant, I have the report. 278 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:18,394 Sons of bitches! Who the hell they think they are? 279 00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:21,186 Who gives them the right? It's an evaluation. 280 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,067 Evalu, hatchet job's what it is. 281 00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:28,238 I been farming my entire life. Entire lifel 282 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:31,529 you read that. You tell me you recognize my farm. 283 00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:33,080 Mr. tennant... read it! 284 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:38,999 "The herd health investigation revealed 285 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,375 "deficiency in herd management. 286 00:21:42,092 --> 00:21:44,674 "Including poor nutrition, 287 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:49,889 "inadequate veterinary care and lack of fly control." 288 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:51,681 You see any flies here? 289 00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:53,892 It's snowing. 290 00:21:54,188 --> 00:21:56,349 Can't stop making excuses for 'em, can you? 291 00:21:58,108 --> 00:22:00,941 It could be pests. They consulted a vet. 292 00:22:01,195 --> 00:22:02,776 Whose vet? Dupont? 293 00:22:06,116 --> 00:22:09,825 Look at yourself. Swallowin' whole, whatever they been feeding ya. 294 00:22:09,912 --> 00:22:11,152 Can't tell truth from lie. 295 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:15,080 You even watch them tapes I gave you? 296 00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:18,375 Sir, I am trying to help! Quiet. 297 00:22:19,046 --> 00:22:21,458 Trying to help. Stop movin'. 298 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,509 Easy, now. Easy. 299 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:37,470 Get in. Slow. 300 00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:05,209 Forgive me, girl. 301 00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,031 Jesus. 302 00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:28,123 Radio dj: Need something to warm you up right about now? 303 00:24:28,550 --> 00:24:30,541 Well, how about this? 304 00:24:34,348 --> 00:24:39,058 Man: Almost heaven, West Virginia 305 00:24:40,104 --> 00:24:45,940 blue Ridge mountains, shenandoah river 306 00:24:47,361 --> 00:24:52,321 life is old there, older than the trees 307 00:24:52,449 --> 00:24:57,489 younger than the mountains blowing like the breeze 308 00:24:57,663 --> 00:25:03,033 country roads, take me home 309 00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:06,126 to the place... 310 00:25:06,463 --> 00:25:09,170 I belong 311 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:12,003 West Virginia... 312 00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:14,881 Mountain mama 313 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:17,296 take me home... 314 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:22,476 Wilbur: This cow's eyes are cloudy with pink eyes is what they'll call it. 315 00:25:22,771 --> 00:25:25,137 Anyway, her eyes are sunk way back in her head. 316 00:25:25,899 --> 00:25:29,016 She's poor as a whippoorwill. 317 00:25:30,779 --> 00:25:35,443 And I'm gonna cut her open and find out what caused her to die. 318 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,946 Because I was feeding her enough feed... 319 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,403 That she should've gained weight instead of losin' weight. 320 00:25:41,457 --> 00:25:43,072 This is what her teeth looks like. 321 00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:47,660 That's the upper one. 322 00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:52,423 But this one here, I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. 323 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:55,242 Even the veterinarian, he admitted... 324 00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:58,888 He never saw anything like this before in his life either. 325 00:26:08,776 --> 00:26:13,315 So, what are you proposing we do? 326 00:26:13,489 --> 00:26:17,983 File a claim, trigger discovery and find out what's in that landfill. 327 00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:20,988 You wanna sue dupont? Targeted. 328 00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:25,706 Property dispute. Routine stuff. Not routine. Not around here. 329 00:26:25,793 --> 00:26:28,375 I know, but, Tom, if you'd actually seen it. 330 00:26:28,462 --> 00:26:32,546 His farm is like a graveyard. There's something very wrong. 331 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:35,215 So, he should hire a local lawyer. 332 00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:38,135 None of them will do it. They're all terrified of dupont. 333 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,424 Well, what does that tell you? We know dupont. 334 00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:42,719 They're gonna wanna hear 335 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:45,472 if some of their local guys are screwing something up. 336 00:26:45,562 --> 00:26:48,554 Oh, so they're gonna thank us for suing. 337 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:50,185 Better us than the epa. 338 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,933 I mean, new partners are supposed to bring in business, right? 339 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,440 So, your farmer can swing 275 an hour? 340 00:26:55,531 --> 00:26:57,442 It'd be on contingency. 341 00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,070 Jesus. What are we, coupon chasers now? 342 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:04,904 It's a small matter for a family friend. I'll get in and I'll get out. 343 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:09,663 Help a guy that needs it. Who? The farmer or you? 344 00:27:30,107 --> 00:27:32,018 Surgical. You hear me? 345 00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:33,440 Absolutely. Thank you. 346 00:27:35,946 --> 00:27:38,779 Phil: Come on, Rob. Of course, I'm gonna take your call. 347 00:27:39,032 --> 00:27:41,774 Even though, I was, I admit, a little surprised. 348 00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:44,284 I mean, getting sued by taft law. 349 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,829 It's not every day. Or any day, frankly. 350 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,331 I know. I'm sorry. 351 00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:52,910 Look, you and I are friends. This is a minor issue. 352 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:55,212 No reason it should get messy. 353 00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:59,133 Thank you. I totally agree. Yeah, I'm putting you on speaker phone. 354 00:28:01,180 --> 00:28:04,422 So, you wanna know if we violated our permits. 355 00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:05,760 Pretty much, yeah. 356 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:09,009 Okay, then. I'll have our guys send over anything... 357 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:11,436 Related to hazardous wastes at dry run. 358 00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:14,686 And I'll tell them to hurry it up this time. How's that? 359 00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:18,314 Thank you. That sounds great. And don't stress. I forgive you. 360 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:19,732 Thanks, Phil. 361 00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:43,301 You took your baby into the office? 362 00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:46,471 I needed a bigger trunk. Why? 363 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,591 Discovery for the tennant case came in today. 364 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:54,680 Oh. Oh, you started before me. You're so fast! Whoa. 365 00:28:54,775 --> 00:28:56,561 Good boy. 366 00:28:56,652 --> 00:28:58,563 Rob's missing such a lovely day. 367 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:02,692 Law's a jealous mistress, mom. Means it comes with the territory. 368 00:29:02,783 --> 00:29:04,114 Let's go over here! 369 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:07,451 Sarah's brother: Nice! Thank you! That's what I'm talking about right there. 370 00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:13,291 All right. Let's go. One more. One more. All right. 371 00:29:32,187 --> 00:29:33,302 Poly... 372 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,640 Is that... 373 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:52,946 No. 374 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,173 How's my favorite plaintiff's attorney? Hey, help me out, will ya? 375 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,626 You're a run of a mill dump, nothing but trash. 376 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:07,294 You sound like my first girlfriend. 377 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:13,016 Why a requisition order for 55-gallon containers? 378 00:30:13,395 --> 00:30:15,681 Conspiracy. Standard size drums. 379 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:20,812 Ash, ash-byproduct, glass tubing, plastic, paper waste. It's just trash. 380 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:23,853 You pile it onto a truck, drive it away. You don't pack it into drums. 381 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,355 So, they've got liquid waste. Not hazardous. 382 00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:30,158 Or they'd have to disclose it. So, what is killing these cows? 383 00:30:30,329 --> 00:30:32,741 It's not paper and ash. Well, maybe it's human error. 384 00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:35,274 They're dumping something in there they don't know is toxic. 385 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:39,584 Kim, it's dupont. They know more than the epa does. 386 00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:41,666 Everyone knows more than the epa does. 387 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,796 Why else would they let us regulate ourselves? 388 00:30:46,136 --> 00:30:48,878 What? Do we? 389 00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:50,507 Do we what? 390 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,891 The epa only started regulating chemicals in '76. 391 00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,013 Yeah? 392 00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,688 They grandfather in every existing chemical, non-hazardous, 393 00:30:59,775 --> 00:31:03,734 unless they knew it was hazardous or a company told them it was. 394 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,527 We're saying the same thing. No, we're not. I'm saying 395 00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:10,107 what if a company didn't tell? 396 00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:13,534 What if 397 00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:17,410 the reason Phil Donnelly agreed to discovery on hazardous 398 00:31:17,501 --> 00:31:19,116 is because he knows 399 00:31:19,753 --> 00:31:22,836 whatever's in that landfill isn't even regulated? 400 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:25,957 Okay, now you are sounding like a plaintiff's attorney. 401 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:29,167 I've got a meeting. Hey, oh, wait, one second. 402 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:33,176 Have you heard of this, um, pfoa? 403 00:31:34,101 --> 00:31:35,216 No. 404 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:38,723 You know, it's mentioned here, but I can't find anything about it 405 00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:41,294 in any of the literature. I don't even know if it's a chemical. 406 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:44,850 Ask Phil. Well, thank you. 407 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:48,249 Secretary: As I said, Mr. Donnelly is still out of town. 408 00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:51,907 I called last week and left two messages and haven't heard back from him. 409 00:31:51,993 --> 00:31:53,833 I'll be sure to tell him that you called again. 410 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:55,573 Okay. Damn it. 411 00:31:56,873 --> 00:31:59,330 Your tickets to the chemical alliance dinner. Argh... 412 00:31:59,668 --> 00:32:02,455 And, no, dark suit is not the same as black tie. 413 00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:05,127 Wouldn't he be going? 414 00:32:35,871 --> 00:32:39,034 I don't know if Rob told you, but I was a receptionist at taft 415 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:40,614 before law school. Is that right? 416 00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:42,669 But well, I think the right bilott ended up there. 417 00:32:42,752 --> 00:32:44,413 Harold, you're not getting away from me. 418 00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:46,369 Would you excuse me? Sure, it was... 419 00:32:46,465 --> 00:32:48,831 It's great to see you. When is the... 420 00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:50,881 That's funny. 421 00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:54,343 Right away, I saw a little of myself in Rob. 422 00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,630 Oh! One black sheep to another. 423 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:59,094 My dad was a steel worker, you know. Was he? 424 00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:01,180 Have you seen Phil? 425 00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:03,220 Kim: No. 426 00:33:03,523 --> 00:33:06,890 So, you're an attorney? Oh, recovering. 427 00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:09,685 I represented employers in workmen's comp disputes. 428 00:33:09,779 --> 00:33:12,020 But now, I stay at home with our baby. 429 00:33:12,365 --> 00:33:14,902 Well, that's the thing with lady lawyers. 430 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,221 I wanna say hi to the dow folks. Have you seen them? 431 00:33:17,245 --> 00:33:18,655 No, I've been looking for Phil. 432 00:33:18,747 --> 00:33:20,227 Did I tell you they sent me some work? 433 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,790 Dow? That's great! Just a small project. Like a try-out. 434 00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:27,165 But if I impress them, can you imagine if I brought on dow? 435 00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,792 None for me, thank you. 436 00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:31,919 You're not... 437 00:33:34,095 --> 00:33:35,095 I'm, uh... 438 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:38,259 You're... she's... 439 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,011 I'm... 440 00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,968 I'm gonna wait as long as I can to tell the firm. Obviously. 441 00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:44,644 Would you excuse us for a moment? 442 00:33:44,731 --> 00:33:46,813 These lady lawyers need a quick sidebar. 443 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,265 Of course. No. No. 444 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,520 He signs your paycheck. Be nice to him. Don't leave me. 445 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:55,401 Sarah: Congratulations. Karla: I know. I can't believe it. 446 00:34:01,331 --> 00:34:02,411 Excuse me. 447 00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:13,339 Phil: Rob, how are you? 448 00:34:13,426 --> 00:34:14,820 Phil, I've been trying to reach you. 449 00:34:14,844 --> 00:34:16,739 So sorry, all this traveling. How about I give you a shout tomorrow? 450 00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:18,616 We're gonna need to broaden discovery to everything 451 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,380 in that landfill, hazardous or not. 452 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:25,598 Excuse me. 453 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,055 You kidding me? 454 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:29,149 Rob: No. 455 00:34:31,653 --> 00:34:33,814 I think whatever's causing the problems in there 456 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,988 isn't something the epa regulates or knows to regulate. 457 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:38,617 Sorry? 458 00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:42,035 I'm seeing things in your documents I don't understand. 459 00:34:42,122 --> 00:34:44,362 You're seeing ghosts, is what you're seeing, and frankly, 460 00:34:44,416 --> 00:34:45,747 you're making an ass of yourself. 461 00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:47,495 Okay, then, help me out. 462 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:48,826 I mean, like this. 463 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,162 I mean, what is this pfoa? 464 00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:54,502 What's that stand for? 465 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:57,629 Jesus. 466 00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:00,007 You're on a goddamn fishing expedition. 467 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,097 You wanna flush your career down the toilet 468 00:35:03,184 --> 00:35:04,219 for some cowhand? 469 00:35:04,311 --> 00:35:05,892 Be my guest. I'm done helping you. 470 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:08,436 Phil, I need to insist on broadening discovery. 471 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:09,808 Sue me! Uh... 472 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:11,935 I'm already suing you. 473 00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:13,233 Dow lawyer: Welcome, everyone, 474 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,778 to the 14th annual Ohio chemical alliance... 475 00:35:16,865 --> 00:35:18,480 Fuck you! Awards dinner. 476 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:22,529 Hick! 477 00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:28,991 Dow lawyer: So, let's get the fun started! 478 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:51,520 I'm sorry. 479 00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:53,564 Sarah: You're not the only one who's sacrificed. 480 00:35:59,949 --> 00:36:02,136 I just hope you know what you're doing. 481 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:10,978 Tom: You know the difference between business and pleasure, right? 482 00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:14,620 So, why on earth would you engage in business conversations 483 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:16,625 at a public function? Rob: Tom! 484 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,962 He's hiding something. You saw his reaction. 485 00:36:20,053 --> 00:36:21,839 Yeah, me and everyone in that room. 486 00:36:21,930 --> 00:36:23,795 Taft in a pissing match with dupont. 487 00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:25,801 I am gonna get a court order and force them 488 00:36:25,892 --> 00:36:27,244 to tell me everything that's in that landfill. 489 00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:29,600 Jesus Christ! Now you wanna actually take them to court. 490 00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:31,724 And I'm gonna need local counsel in West Virginia. 491 00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:33,396 What happened to routine stuff? 492 00:36:33,483 --> 00:36:35,348 Ask Phil Donnelly. God! 493 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:37,557 Larry: Of course, I remember you. 494 00:36:38,822 --> 00:36:41,108 Yeah, last time I saw you, I think Phil Donnelly was 495 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,485 trying to get you to go out on the links with us. 496 00:36:43,576 --> 00:36:44,611 Yeah. 497 00:36:47,497 --> 00:36:48,532 You what? 498 00:37:02,429 --> 00:37:03,714 Sir. Thank you. 499 00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:11,019 Good morning. 500 00:37:14,566 --> 00:37:15,931 Good morning, Larry. Morning. 501 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:23,782 Morning, miss Claire. 502 00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:26,737 Don't you look nice. 503 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,238 Save it for the judge, Mr. winter. 504 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,991 Filing clerk: You're suing dupont. 505 00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:38,081 Larry: Yes, ma'am. 506 00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:40,455 You represent dupont. 507 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:41,550 My old firm did. 508 00:37:42,552 --> 00:37:43,952 I've been out on my own for a while. 509 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,920 Good luck with that. 510 00:37:51,478 --> 00:37:53,844 Phil: Just wanted to let you know personally 511 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:57,271 that your court-ordered discovery is on the way. 512 00:37:57,358 --> 00:37:58,939 Thanks, Phil. 513 00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:01,109 Phil: No, it's my pleasure. 514 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:04,528 Discovery. 515 00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:22,004 Son of a bitch. 516 00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:24,423 No admission of liability. 517 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:26,964 And non... 518 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:31,847 Non-disclosure of any and all terms. 519 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:34,760 Pardon me a moment. 520 00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,242 Thanks. 521 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,945 Holy Jesus! 522 00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:56,330 What in the... thanks. 523 00:38:58,169 --> 00:38:59,375 World? 524 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,544 I guess the joke's on me. 525 00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:02,631 Yeah. 526 00:39:04,092 --> 00:39:05,945 No one can go through all this crap. Not in a million years. 527 00:39:05,969 --> 00:39:08,049 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they're banking on. 528 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,756 Oh, god! Damn it! Oh, god, Rob! 529 00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:21,230 Here, let me... no, no, no, you shouldn't be around this stuff. 530 00:39:22,569 --> 00:39:25,481 You sure? I'm positive. Thank you, though. 531 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,274 Yeah. 532 00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:29,818 Good luck. 533 00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:52,803 1957. 534 00:40:57,372 --> 00:40:59,363 Man: Hey, Sally, what is the hold up back here? 535 00:41:02,168 --> 00:41:03,808 Hey, Bobby. How you... What're you having? 536 00:41:06,047 --> 00:41:07,047 Usual. 537 00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:10,547 Eggs over bacon and grits. 538 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:13,213 Same. 539 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:20,140 Bobby: I need two over, grits, fried. 540 00:41:29,821 --> 00:41:31,221 Wilbur: Wilbur tennant. 541 00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:33,524 Kathleen: He's not in his office. Can I take a message? 542 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,201 But he really can't get to the phone right now. 543 00:41:38,287 --> 00:41:39,572 I want service! 544 00:41:40,081 --> 00:41:42,441 I'll let him know that you called again. For Christ's sakes. 545 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:47,334 Is she getting accustomed to being at mom and dad's? 546 00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,233 Beth: You know grammer. She misses her own house. 547 00:41:49,257 --> 00:41:51,669 What? She misses her own house. 548 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,046 I have a bad cell. 549 00:41:54,137 --> 00:41:56,378 I said grammer misses her own house. 550 00:41:56,472 --> 00:41:57,928 Okay, can you... 551 00:41:58,349 --> 00:41:59,634 Can I talk to her? 552 00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:01,006 She and mom are at the doctor's. 553 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:04,348 Will you tell grammers I called? Rob, you're breaking up. 554 00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:05,519 And mom too? 555 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,142 Let's try again on Sunday. All right. 556 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:17,190 "C-8." 557 00:42:23,458 --> 00:42:25,790 You know you look like a crazy person, right? 558 00:42:25,877 --> 00:42:28,243 What was the name of that guy that you brought by the... 559 00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:32,004 What guy? The chemistry expert. 560 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:33,877 The guy who does the models. Gillespie. 561 00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:38,055 Here you go. 562 00:42:39,057 --> 00:42:40,057 Thank you. 563 00:42:40,475 --> 00:42:42,215 Kim Burke had an expense account. 564 00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:45,138 Oh, sorry. It's not that kind of case. 565 00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:50,015 Are you familiar with something called pfoa? 566 00:42:51,736 --> 00:42:52,771 No. 567 00:42:55,448 --> 00:42:56,779 No. No. 568 00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:01,989 I did read something recently about a pfos, I think it was. 569 00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:05,079 That sounds related. And what was that? 570 00:43:05,708 --> 00:43:08,666 Long-chain fluorocarbon, synthetic. 571 00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:13,084 I'm sorry. Chemistry was my worst class in high school. 572 00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:15,498 Boy, you in the wrong line of work. 573 00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:17,959 Tell me about it. So? 574 00:43:18,387 --> 00:43:20,844 So, synthetic. All right? Man-made. 575 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:23,048 Frankenstein. 576 00:43:23,851 --> 00:43:24,931 And? 577 00:43:25,645 --> 00:43:29,729 Long-chain fluorocarbon is a sequence of carbon atoms, add a fluoride. 578 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:34,771 All right. In the lab you take a carbon atom... mmm-hmm. 579 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:38,025 And then you add another carbon atom. 580 00:43:38,574 --> 00:43:39,574 And then another 581 00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:42,024 and another... look. 582 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,363 You're making a chain. Right? 583 00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:51,243 Right? Could it be... 584 00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:54,127 Eight? Eight carbons? 585 00:43:54,215 --> 00:43:56,752 Well, sure. Yeah, in the lab you can do almost anything. 586 00:43:57,468 --> 00:44:00,676 And why would you want to? Make this, I mean. 587 00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:06,386 Well, a chain like that's pretty much unbreakable, biochemically speaking. 588 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:09,389 So, uh, industrial uses, I imagine. 589 00:44:10,231 --> 00:44:11,641 3m made it. 590 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:14,232 They don't anymore. That's what I read. 591 00:44:14,777 --> 00:44:17,314 Why did they stop? Didn't say. 592 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,782 What if... 593 00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:23,941 What if you drank it? 594 00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:27,581 Drank it? 595 00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:30,244 You don't. Well, what if you did? 596 00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:32,909 Ready to order? Yeah, I think I'd like a... 597 00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:35,206 But what if you did? 598 00:44:36,549 --> 00:44:39,086 That's like saying, "what if I swallowed a tire?" 599 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,132 I don't know. You wanna be the guy that finds out? 600 00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:45,807 Tuna melt. 601 00:45:05,161 --> 00:45:10,201 Preacher: Let us all begin with hymn number 452 in our hymnal books. 602 00:45:10,291 --> 00:45:13,249 "Here I am, lord." Please rise. 603 00:45:16,505 --> 00:45:21,044 All: I, the lord of sea and sky 604 00:45:21,135 --> 00:45:25,549 I have heard my people cry 605 00:45:26,057 --> 00:45:30,266 all who dwell in deepest sin 606 00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:34,228 my hand will save 607 00:45:36,484 --> 00:45:37,769 does it makes sounds? 608 00:45:38,778 --> 00:45:40,338 Female voice: Asteroid ahead. 609 00:45:40,571 --> 00:45:43,313 You hold like that. 610 00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:45,568 Male voice: Are you ready to blast off? 611 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,746 Teddy: I'm taking off that. 612 00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:32,987 Rob: You said it had fluoride? 613 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,477 Dr. Gillespie: What? Mr. bilott, it's Sunday. 614 00:46:35,501 --> 00:46:38,208 That chemical, you said it had a fluoride atom. 615 00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:42,747 It's a fluorocarbon, so, yes. Somewhere along the chain... 616 00:46:42,842 --> 00:46:45,208 What would it do to your teeth if you drank it? 617 00:46:45,303 --> 00:46:47,385 Don't tell me if you shouldn't, if you did. 618 00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:49,711 If you drank a lot of it, what would it do to your teeth? 619 00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:52,510 Well, in trace amounts fluoride hardens teeth. 620 00:46:52,601 --> 00:46:57,311 But too much, it's gonna stain 'em. I mean, even turn 'em black. 621 00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:00,681 So, can I get back to my family now? 622 00:47:05,323 --> 00:47:06,563 What? Where are you going? 623 00:47:06,991 --> 00:47:09,528 It's in their water. What? What is? 624 00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:48,638 Doctor: How long's the coughing been? 625 00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:52,699 Wilbur: Couple... Couple of months. 626 00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:54,245 A year. 627 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:58,323 You a smoker? No. 628 00:47:59,085 --> 00:48:01,005 Roll up your sleeve. We're gonna take some blood. 629 00:48:15,601 --> 00:48:18,468 Thought you left him inside. I did. 630 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:24,390 Oh, baby. 631 00:48:34,203 --> 00:48:35,203 You move this? 632 00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:37,163 What? 633 00:48:37,248 --> 00:48:39,580 Did you go through this? No! 634 00:48:44,713 --> 00:48:45,713 They been here. 635 00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:48,585 They been here! 636 00:49:17,455 --> 00:49:18,570 What happened? 637 00:49:20,416 --> 00:49:21,416 Wash up. 638 00:49:30,718 --> 00:49:31,753 Crystal: Dad? 639 00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:35,548 What is it? Quiet. 640 00:49:45,858 --> 00:49:49,146 Wilbur: This is my land, damn you! You get out of here! 641 00:49:49,904 --> 00:49:50,939 Go on! 642 00:49:52,406 --> 00:49:53,521 Go on! 643 00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:59,076 Sandra, girls, get on! Go on, get in! Get in! 644 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:02,496 I know you! 645 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,875 Rob? 646 00:52:41,659 --> 00:52:45,072 Holy crap, Rob! What? 647 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,949 I thought someone was breaking in, for god's sakes! 648 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,496 No, it's just me. 649 00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:51,663 Rob, you need to tell me what in the hell's going on. 650 00:52:54,797 --> 00:52:56,128 We're being poisoned. 651 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:00,419 Rob. What? 652 00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:04,174 I mean it. Dupont is knowingly poisoning us. 653 00:53:04,264 --> 00:53:06,550 You mean the farmer. His land. 654 00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:08,473 All of us. 655 00:53:10,729 --> 00:53:12,139 Please don't look at me like that. 656 00:53:13,691 --> 00:53:15,431 They're already poisoning the baby. 657 00:53:17,277 --> 00:53:19,768 No. I'm not listening to this. Sarah. 658 00:53:20,155 --> 00:53:21,770 Stop it! Just stop it, okay? 659 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:25,442 Do you hear yourself? You are acting like a crazy person. 660 00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:28,528 Tearing up our floor. Scaring me half to death. 661 00:53:28,622 --> 00:53:31,238 I know it's my job to support you, but that does not mean 662 00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:33,745 you get to come into our home, to our family 663 00:53:33,836 --> 00:53:36,748 and tell me that our unborn child is being poisoned. No! 664 00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:39,296 I'm sorry. Can I please explain? 665 00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:41,123 Explain what? All of it. 666 00:53:41,927 --> 00:53:46,011 And if you still think I'm crazy, I'll drop it. I swear to god. 667 00:53:48,684 --> 00:53:49,890 I swear to you. 668 00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:08,366 There is a man-made chemical 669 00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:12,617 that was invented during the Manhattan project. 670 00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:16,158 It repelled the elements, especially water. 671 00:54:16,795 --> 00:54:21,129 So they used it to make the first ever waterproof coating for tanks. 672 00:54:21,216 --> 00:54:22,581 It was indestructible. 673 00:54:22,676 --> 00:54:26,760 Then some companies thought, "hey, why just the battlefield? 674 00:54:26,847 --> 00:54:30,715 "Why not bring this chemical into American homes?" 675 00:54:30,934 --> 00:54:32,390 Rob's here. Tom: All right. Good. 676 00:54:33,312 --> 00:54:34,312 He'll see you now. 677 00:54:38,317 --> 00:54:40,103 Rob: Dupont was one of those companies. 678 00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,399 So they took this chemical, pfoa. 679 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:46,860 They renamed it c-8. 680 00:54:47,868 --> 00:54:50,530 And they made their own impenetrable coating, 681 00:54:50,621 --> 00:54:53,237 but not for tanks. For pans. 682 00:54:54,875 --> 00:54:56,615 They called it teflon. 683 00:54:57,211 --> 00:55:00,624 A shining symbol of American ingenuity, 684 00:55:00,714 --> 00:55:02,921 made right here in the usa, 685 00:55:03,008 --> 00:55:05,090 in parkersburg, West Virginia. 686 00:55:07,012 --> 00:55:09,219 But right from the start, something wasn't right. 687 00:55:09,932 --> 00:55:13,095 The men, and workers who made teflon 688 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:15,676 were coming down with nausea, fevers. 689 00:55:15,771 --> 00:55:17,181 Dupont wanted to know why. 690 00:55:17,856 --> 00:55:20,518 So they laced cigarettes with teflon. 691 00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:23,100 They told a group of their workers, "hey, smoke these." 692 00:55:23,904 --> 00:55:25,735 Duponters did as they were told. 693 00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:29,318 Almost all of those men were hospitalized. 694 00:55:33,914 --> 00:55:35,450 That's 1962. 695 00:55:35,999 --> 00:55:39,958 One year after teflon launched and already dupont knew. 696 00:55:40,587 --> 00:55:44,250 The dust, they just sent right up the smoke stacks, released into the air. 697 00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:47,632 The sludge, tossed it into the Ohio. 698 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,928 Or, uh, packed into drums and chucked it into the chesapeake. 699 00:55:52,724 --> 00:55:54,885 But then their drums started washing up. 700 00:55:55,394 --> 00:55:57,806 So, dupont starts digging ditches 701 00:55:57,896 --> 00:55:59,852 on the grounds of the Washington works plant. 702 00:55:59,940 --> 00:56:02,181 And in those pits, they dumped 703 00:56:02,276 --> 00:56:05,860 thousands of tons of toxic c-8 sludge and dust. 704 00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:09,063 One of the men that they hired to dig those ditches 705 00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:11,819 was wilbur tennant's brother Jim. 706 00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:15,035 But they weren't the only ones covering their tracks. 707 00:56:15,581 --> 00:56:19,324 3m who pioneered these chemicals for scotchgard, 708 00:56:19,418 --> 00:56:20,783 they were testing them on monkeys. 709 00:56:21,336 --> 00:56:22,746 Most of the monkeys died. 710 00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,746 It wasn't like dupont didn't know that because 711 00:56:25,841 --> 00:56:28,173 they were doing their own tests on rats. 712 00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:30,667 Watched their organs balloon. 713 00:56:31,930 --> 00:56:33,761 Now the rats are getting cancers. 714 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:37,975 Tested them on pregnant rats and watched them give birth 715 00:56:38,061 --> 00:56:40,347 to pups with deformed eyes. 716 00:56:41,064 --> 00:56:44,272 So, they yanked all the young women off the teflon line 717 00:56:44,776 --> 00:56:46,016 and never told them why. 718 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:55,029 Sue Bailey's job was scrubbing these huge steel vats 719 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,157 where they held the liquid c-8. She was pregnant. 720 00:56:58,624 --> 00:57:00,706 I love youl! Would you stop? 721 00:57:02,836 --> 00:57:07,205 Rob: She gave birth to a baby with one nostril and a deformed eye. 722 00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:10,837 Remember how dupont had seen those deformities in the rats? 723 00:57:14,056 --> 00:57:15,592 Oh, god. What about his eyes? 724 00:57:16,141 --> 00:57:18,223 Blue. Just like all newborns. 725 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:20,676 But they're normal, the lids, the pupils? 726 00:57:20,771 --> 00:57:24,229 Mr. bilott, relax. He's perfect. 727 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:27,186 Hey. Hi, Charlie. 728 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:29,859 Rob: So sue goes to dupont. 729 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:32,689 She says, "why did you pull me off the teflon line? 730 00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:38,111 "Did c-8 make my baby this way?" "No," they tell her. 731 00:57:38,205 --> 00:57:42,539 Then all of her records from her time at teflon disappear. 732 00:57:42,626 --> 00:57:47,336 One year later, they put all of the women back on teflon 733 00:57:47,422 --> 00:57:50,164 and never say a thing. 734 00:57:56,807 --> 00:57:57,807 He's here. 735 00:58:02,062 --> 00:58:03,768 Rob: Dupont knew everything. 736 00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:08,231 They knew that the c-8 they put into the air 737 00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:10,309 and buried into the ground for decades 738 00:58:10,404 --> 00:58:12,065 was causing cancers. 739 00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:15,898 They knew that their own workers were getting these cancers. 740 00:58:15,993 --> 00:58:19,030 They knew that the consumers too were being exposed 741 00:58:19,121 --> 00:58:22,454 and not just in teflon. In paints, 742 00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:27,205 in fabrics, in, uh, raincoats, boots. 743 00:58:28,839 --> 00:58:30,295 To this day... 744 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:36,460 Rob: For 40 years you knew c-8 was poison. 745 00:58:36,555 --> 00:58:39,968 You knew the "happy pan" was a ticking time bomb. 746 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,096 And you knew exactly why. 747 00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:45,511 Because c-8, it stays in us forever. 748 00:58:48,942 --> 00:58:53,185 And knowing all of this, still you did nothing because 749 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:56,021 doing something, 750 00:58:56,908 --> 00:58:59,866 "would essentially put the long-term viability 751 00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:03,946 "of this product's segment on the line." 752 00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:08,996 You were making too much money. 753 00:59:09,921 --> 00:59:13,129 One billion dollars a year just in profits, just in teflon. 754 00:59:14,426 --> 00:59:17,964 And so you pumped millions more pounds 755 00:59:18,055 --> 00:59:21,218 of toxic c-8 into the air, into the water 756 00:59:21,475 --> 00:59:24,467 so much so you could actually see it foam. 757 00:59:25,312 --> 00:59:30,773 C-8 was everywhere. There was nowhere left for you to contaminate. 758 00:59:34,905 --> 00:59:37,066 And that's when they came to Jim. 759 00:59:37,741 --> 00:59:41,359 They knew he was sick and needed the money and they needed his land. 760 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,196 And when they got it, they dug up all the c-8 761 00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:48,160 from every single pit at Washington works. 762 00:59:48,251 --> 00:59:51,584 Fourteen million pounds of toxic c-8 sludge 763 00:59:51,797 --> 00:59:55,005 and they dumped it, again. This time right up there. 764 00:59:55,175 --> 00:59:58,167 Steps from your creek, from your house. 765 00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:02,129 That's what your cows have been drinking, Earl. 766 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,727 Put 'em behind bars. 767 01:00:08,814 --> 01:00:10,520 Whole damn lot of 'em, right in jail. 768 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:12,021 I understand, believe me. 769 01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:15,101 But this is a civil case. The most we can hope for is damages. 770 01:00:15,237 --> 01:00:19,230 Don't want no money! Whole damn world need... 771 01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:28,572 Needs to see what they done. You're right. They should. 772 01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:32,750 And it kills me that they won't. 773 01:00:33,797 --> 01:00:36,379 But that would mean going to trial 774 01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:38,962 and proving that c-8 killed your cows. 775 01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,673 And every scientist who knows anything about any of this 776 01:00:41,847 --> 01:00:43,838 already works for these chemical companies. 777 01:00:43,974 --> 01:00:46,386 That's not an accident, Earl. 778 01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:52,142 Earl, these companies, they have all the money all the time, 779 01:00:52,232 --> 01:00:53,688 and they'll use it. Trust me. 780 01:00:53,817 --> 01:00:55,557 I know. I was one of them. 781 01:00:57,028 --> 01:00:59,440 You're still one of 'em. 782 01:01:02,576 --> 01:01:06,819 You can't be serious. You know what I put on the line here? 783 01:01:06,997 --> 01:01:10,160 You want a prize? Some medal 'cause for once in your life 784 01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:12,662 you took the side of the little guy? 785 01:01:13,086 --> 01:01:16,328 Sorry, no prize. All you get is your share of this blood money. 786 01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:19,464 And you sleep real good tonight. Talk to your family. 787 01:01:19,926 --> 01:01:22,167 It ain't just my cows was poisoned. 788 01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:24,423 What do you think I fed my family on? 789 01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,756 Wilbur, please. 790 01:01:29,352 --> 01:01:31,513 Leave this place! 791 01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,599 Start over. Give your family a fighting chance! 792 01:01:36,776 --> 01:01:38,767 Too late for that. 793 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:44,030 We got it, Sandra and me. The cancer. 794 01:01:45,744 --> 01:01:47,735 Surprise, surprise. 795 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,500 Sarah: In here. 796 01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:53,345 How'd it go? 797 01:02:55,522 --> 01:02:56,762 What's wrong? 798 01:02:57,607 --> 01:02:59,063 Rob? 799 01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:00,901 Rob, what is it? 800 01:03:06,866 --> 01:03:08,572 Sarah: What happened? What happened? 801 01:03:09,202 --> 01:03:11,193 Oh, honey, honey, honey. 802 01:03:12,956 --> 01:03:15,368 Sarah: You saw a man hurting and 803 01:03:17,043 --> 01:03:19,455 you did the Christian thing. You helped him. 804 01:03:19,963 --> 01:03:24,377 How? How? Either he dies penniless 805 01:03:24,551 --> 01:03:27,509 or he lets dupont just keep pillaging his community. 806 01:03:27,595 --> 01:03:29,005 How is that helping? 807 01:03:33,351 --> 01:03:35,342 Gotta get some sleep. 808 01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:50,031 I can't believe a freaking case settlement could shut this up. 809 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:55,362 Have you read their confidentiality agreements? 810 01:03:56,249 --> 01:03:58,865 You've uncovered a threat to the public. 811 01:03:59,461 --> 01:04:01,702 This goes beyond lawyering. 812 01:04:01,796 --> 01:04:04,082 That's... that's all I know is lawyering. 813 01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:06,415 Fine. Then be the lawyer. 814 01:04:06,968 --> 01:04:08,458 You know dupont better than anyone. 815 01:04:08,636 --> 01:04:09,876 What haven't they thought of? 816 01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:11,779 God. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 817 01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:13,283 What is that? 818 01:05:13,368 --> 01:05:16,201 Rob: Uh, a memo and 136 exhibits. 819 01:05:49,112 --> 01:05:51,023 Rob: Wil, Sandra, this is your copy. 820 01:06:11,676 --> 01:06:15,339 The epa announced a public hearing into this family of chemicals 821 01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:17,921 I've been looking into. I heard about it from Tucker. 822 01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:20,390 Tom: Monsanto Tucker? Union carbide now. 823 01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:21,558 He says to me, "is it true 824 01:06:21,603 --> 01:06:23,139 "that a taft lawyer sent a phone book's 825 01:06:23,229 --> 01:06:24,665 "worth of confidential dupont documents 826 01:06:24,689 --> 01:06:26,270 "to the entire federal government?" 827 01:06:26,357 --> 01:06:28,939 Internal documents, not confidential. Very different. 828 01:06:29,027 --> 01:06:31,109 So you're testifying. Rob: I signed up to testify. 829 01:06:31,196 --> 01:06:32,196 And the next thing I hear 830 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,271 is dupont has petitioned a judge 831 01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:37,027 to stop me from testifying, from flying to d.C, 832 01:06:37,118 --> 01:06:38,179 from even picking up the phone 833 01:06:38,203 --> 01:06:39,283 they filed for a gag order. 834 01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,110 Yes! This is what we're up against. 835 01:06:41,206 --> 01:06:42,446 Jesus. Tom: David. 836 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:43,601 Come on, Tom. What do you expect? 837 01:06:43,625 --> 01:06:44,705 Where do we stand? 838 01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:46,623 Well, the judge rejected the gag order, 839 01:06:46,711 --> 01:06:48,201 so I fly out Monday. 840 01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:52,163 Nice. I guess we'll just watch on c-span. 841 01:06:54,469 --> 01:06:55,959 You ever do anything like this again, 842 01:06:56,054 --> 01:06:59,717 I will cut your balls off and serve them to dupont myself. 843 01:07:00,099 --> 01:07:01,509 Get out of here. 844 01:07:04,521 --> 01:07:05,886 Good luck in Washington. 845 01:07:07,148 --> 01:07:08,433 Thanks, Tom. 846 01:07:08,942 --> 01:07:12,730 Rob: This material is a perfluoro... 847 01:07:12,904 --> 01:07:14,735 Or a pfoa. 848 01:07:14,906 --> 01:07:18,364 It's also known as fc 143, 849 01:07:19,327 --> 01:07:22,569 ammonium perfluorooctanoates. 850 01:07:22,664 --> 01:07:27,408 It has been shown by dupont's own science 851 01:07:28,461 --> 01:07:30,577 that pfoa c-8 852 01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:35,673 is possibly life threatening to human health. 853 01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:41,634 We are asking this agency to do something. 854 01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:04,611 The presidential election in four decades. 855 01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:06,529 Just look at these latest polls. 856 01:08:07,041 --> 01:08:08,681 Joe: Did you forget to pay the water bill? 857 01:08:09,586 --> 01:08:10,746 Darlene: What? 858 01:08:10,837 --> 01:08:12,919 You forget to pay the water bill? 859 01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:15,880 No. 860 01:08:16,718 --> 01:08:18,083 We got a notice. 861 01:08:18,636 --> 01:08:19,842 What's it say? 862 01:08:21,931 --> 01:08:24,843 "Pfoa is a persistent chemical 863 01:08:24,934 --> 01:08:26,470 "that is slow to be eliminated 864 01:08:26,561 --> 01:08:29,928 "from the blood stream of people who have been exposed to it. 865 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:32,180 "The dupont company has advised 866 01:08:32,275 --> 01:08:35,517 "the lubeck water district that low concentrations 867 01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:38,570 "have been found in the district's Wells. 868 01:08:38,656 --> 01:08:39,936 "Dupont has advised the district 869 01:08:39,991 --> 01:08:43,028 "that it is confident these levels are safe." 870 01:08:44,203 --> 01:08:46,034 What the hell does that mean? 871 01:08:47,874 --> 01:08:49,785 Joe: A letter came last fall. 872 01:08:50,376 --> 01:08:52,662 James: Made no sense to me, so I started making calls. 873 01:08:52,754 --> 01:08:55,040 Darlene: I told Joe don't kick that hornet's nest. 874 01:08:55,673 --> 01:08:58,289 It's not like we didn't know what we'd signed up for. 875 01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:00,709 Sarah: What do you mean? 876 01:09:01,471 --> 01:09:03,462 Oh, I was married before Joe 877 01:09:04,182 --> 01:09:06,093 to a chemist at dupont. 878 01:09:06,643 --> 01:09:08,429 Dream job. Paid real well. 879 01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:11,511 And the perks! Presents for no reason. 880 01:09:11,606 --> 01:09:15,064 We'd get this catalogue. Just pick whatever you want. 881 01:09:16,027 --> 01:09:17,312 And little stuff. 882 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:18,813 Like he'd bring home this soap, 883 01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:20,486 this miracle powder. 884 01:09:20,573 --> 01:09:22,613 You put it in the washing machine or the dishwasher, 885 01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:24,660 just wipes stuff clean like you would not believe. 886 01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:28,119 One day he comes home and says, 887 01:09:28,206 --> 01:09:29,946 "can't bring that stuff home no more." 888 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:31,781 "Why?" won't tell me. 889 01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:34,333 Then he'd get sick for weeks. 890 01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,211 The teflon flu, the guys would call it. 891 01:09:37,965 --> 01:09:40,081 We knew something wasn't right. 892 01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,426 But this house, we bought it just by 893 01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:46,596 showing the bank my husband's dupont ID. 894 01:09:46,683 --> 01:09:49,971 Put both our kids through college. Engineers. 895 01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:54,311 In this town, that doesn't come without a price. 896 01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:57,356 My brother Kenny didn't know that price. 897 01:09:57,527 --> 01:09:59,563 He joined dupont at 19. 898 01:09:59,654 --> 01:10:01,986 Died on the operating table two years later. 899 01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,531 Ulcerative colitis. Darlene: Just like Dan Schiller had. 900 01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:06,903 Who's Dan? 901 01:10:07,078 --> 01:10:09,694 Darlene: A chemist at dupont. Worked with my ex-husband. 902 01:10:10,164 --> 01:10:12,906 Joe: And Roger, what's his name? 903 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,490 Darlene: Wilkins, the foreman. 904 01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:16,868 Steven gellar. Randy field. 905 01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:19,579 Randy's was kidney cancer. He survived. 906 01:10:19,674 --> 01:10:22,211 His wife didn't. No, June's was thyroid. 907 01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:23,882 It was supposed to be treatable. 908 01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,593 They didn't catch it in time. 909 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,921 But they caught it in their son. 910 01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:32,058 Rob: Were your children born healthy? 911 01:10:32,145 --> 01:10:34,181 Yes. Yes, they were. Good. 912 01:10:34,355 --> 01:10:38,268 But we wanted a third and couldn't. 913 01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,565 I went to my doctor. 914 01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,359 He says, "you need a hysterectomy. You need it right away." 915 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,400 I'm so sorry. 916 01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,072 Bad luck, I guess. 917 01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:50,151 I was 36. 918 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:52,787 Rob: Mr. kiger, 919 01:10:52,874 --> 01:10:55,081 you think I could get a copy of that letter? 920 01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:09,553 What's wrong with your hand? 921 01:11:09,932 --> 01:11:12,093 Nothing. It's fine. 922 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,971 Whoa, Rob? 923 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,816 Rob, what are you doing? 924 01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:27,022 I mean, it's not enough to poison these people? 925 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,526 They gotta swindle them too? 926 01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:30,154 Okay, calm down. All right? 927 01:11:30,244 --> 01:11:31,950 Dupont wrote that letter! 928 01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:33,994 Not the water authority. How do you know that? 929 01:11:34,081 --> 01:11:36,697 You think I don't know what a dupont letter looks like by now? 930 01:11:36,793 --> 01:11:38,124 Okay. Okay. 931 01:11:38,586 --> 01:11:39,746 I mean, Jesus! 932 01:11:39,837 --> 01:11:41,543 It's evil, Sarah. 933 01:11:41,631 --> 01:11:43,587 It's fucking evil! 934 01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,835 What's fack? 935 01:11:46,761 --> 01:11:47,876 Perfect. 936 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,730 It's nothing, sweetie. It's nothing. Oh, boy. 937 01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:51,467 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, honey. 938 01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:52,993 Can you give Charlie the bottle, please? 939 01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:55,554 Where's his bottle? It's in the bag. 940 01:11:55,645 --> 01:11:57,886 What is all this? It's from grammer's. 941 01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:00,354 It was left in her mailbox. 942 01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:02,894 "Medical claims, now and forever"? Here, bud. 943 01:12:02,985 --> 01:12:04,441 "Now and forever." Is that that... 944 01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:05,605 That... 945 01:12:06,364 --> 01:12:08,355 Medical monitoring. Is that... 946 01:12:10,034 --> 01:12:12,446 I thought you said that wasn't gonna pass? 947 01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,572 Tom: Morning. David: Guys. 948 01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,918 Rob: Our lead plaintiff is Mr. Joe kiger. 949 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,593 Potential plaintiff, if the partnership approves. 950 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,012 Mr. Joe kiger, a phys ed teacher 951 01:12:33,099 --> 01:12:35,215 from parkersburg, West Virginia. 952 01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:39,803 On behalf of the 70,000 local residents, 953 01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,764 whose water dupont knowingly poisoned 954 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,190 for the last 40 years. 955 01:12:44,277 --> 01:12:45,277 A class action? 956 01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:46,521 Let him finish. 957 01:12:46,612 --> 01:12:48,352 The kigers were notified 958 01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:51,780 by their local water company that dupont had found 959 01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:55,656 small concentrations of c-8 in their water supply, 960 01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,202 but not to worry 961 01:12:57,290 --> 01:13:00,657 because those concentrations were safe. 962 01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,663 Why? Because dupont said so. 963 01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:10,295 This is what dupont considers safe. 964 01:13:10,678 --> 01:13:13,169 That's something like one drop of water 965 01:13:13,264 --> 01:13:15,346 in an olympic size swimming pool. 966 01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:17,924 In other words, even a trace of c-8 967 01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,930 renders water unsafe. 968 01:13:20,021 --> 01:13:22,353 But dupont told the local water authority, 969 01:13:23,566 --> 01:13:25,557 "your Wells have got even less than that." 970 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,733 Except that was a lie. A lie? 971 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:30,436 Yes. Dupont has been secretly testing 972 01:13:30,531 --> 01:13:31,862 these Wells for decades. 973 01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,907 They knew they had contaminated those Wells 974 01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:37,906 up to six times that level. 975 01:13:37,997 --> 01:13:40,659 And thanks to the tennant case, now we know too. 976 01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:43,366 David: Hold on. This stuff is unregulated, right? 977 01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:44,997 I mean, as far as epa's concerned, 978 01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:47,123 it might as well be Rose petals. 979 01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:49,455 The epa hasn't set a standard, that's true, 980 01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:51,211 but dupont did. 981 01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:54,260 And all the law requires to win a case like this, 982 01:13:54,347 --> 01:13:56,588 is to show that dupont exceeded 983 01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:59,219 what dupont itself considers safe. 984 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:00,595 Self-regulation. 985 01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:02,664 Managing partner: If what you're saying is right... it is right. 986 01:14:02,688 --> 01:14:06,055 Then why would dupont tell this water district anything at all? 987 01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,606 Seems to me that they're being 988 01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:09,433 a good corporate citizen here. 989 01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:12,854 That's how long you have to file suit. 990 01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:14,567 One year from the moment 991 01:14:14,659 --> 01:14:17,196 you realize your water's been contaminated. 992 01:14:17,662 --> 01:14:21,746 This letter looks like it's telling people their water is safe. 993 01:14:21,832 --> 01:14:24,995 In fact, it's notifying them that it isn't. 994 01:14:25,086 --> 01:14:26,747 Dupont has started the clock. 995 01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:28,244 David: Smart. 996 01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:29,954 We would've counseled that. 997 01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:32,085 Rob: It was sent 11 months ago. 998 01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,633 The moment they realized we knew. 999 01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:37,511 In 30 days, they're home free. 1000 01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:40,180 So that's the proposed case in brief. 1001 01:14:40,267 --> 01:14:42,007 But there's something else to consider. 1002 01:14:42,103 --> 01:14:43,343 Partner: You think? 1003 01:14:43,646 --> 01:14:44,726 Rob. 1004 01:14:44,814 --> 01:14:47,726 C-8 bio-accumulates. It builds up inside of us. 1005 01:14:48,109 --> 01:14:50,395 Some class members who aren't sick today 1006 01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:53,110 will get sick tomorrow. 1007 01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,939 We need a way to protect them into the future. 1008 01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:58,136 Jesus, Tom! If you're even thinking about using medical monitoring... 1009 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,492 Hold on. Hold on. 1010 01:15:00,579 --> 01:15:04,197 Medical monitoring is a claim now permitted 1011 01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:05,497 in West Virginia courts. 1012 01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,540 Partner: Oh, come on. Let's hear him out. 1013 01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:10,290 It say if a company exposes a community 1014 01:15:10,381 --> 01:15:11,996 to something that makes them sick, 1015 01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:15,299 they must monitor the health of that community indefinitely. 1016 01:15:15,386 --> 01:15:19,254 Everybody get that? You're creating liability from mere exposure. 1017 01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:21,054 It's also unprecedented. 1018 01:15:21,142 --> 01:15:23,258 Exactly! Which is why not six months ago, 1019 01:15:23,352 --> 01:15:25,013 we fought tooth and nail against it. 1020 01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:27,811 And you lost. Our clients have the right 1021 01:15:27,898 --> 01:15:29,729 to avail themselves of the law. 1022 01:15:29,817 --> 01:15:32,308 Potential clients. 1023 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,490 James: Okay. 1024 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:41,405 I know you, Rob. I know your passion. 1025 01:15:42,163 --> 01:15:44,404 You got a great settlement for your farmer. 1026 01:15:44,498 --> 01:15:45,829 You should be proud of that. 1027 01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:50,376 And perhaps as the newest partner at this table, 1028 01:15:50,463 --> 01:15:51,999 I should be more circumspect. 1029 01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:56,173 But what he's proposing here is 1030 01:15:56,802 --> 01:15:59,043 nothing less than a shakedown 1031 01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:02,130 of an iconic American company. We do not represent dupont. 1032 01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:04,306 No, you don't represent anyone. 1033 01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:07,809 Is this what we have become? 1034 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:10,639 Plaintiff's attorneys. Ambulance chasers. 1035 01:16:10,733 --> 01:16:12,653 Why don't you just admit it? Rob, you wanna flip. 1036 01:16:12,735 --> 01:16:14,851 You wanna take everything that you know 1037 01:16:14,945 --> 01:16:17,357 about how chemical companies operate 1038 01:16:17,448 --> 01:16:19,905 and turn it against dupont. Like an informant. 1039 01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:21,178 That's enough. James: Isn't that right? 1040 01:16:21,202 --> 01:16:22,533 Tom: Okay! Isn't that right? 1041 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:23,985 Isn't that right? Yes. 1042 01:16:24,538 --> 01:16:27,951 Okay, then, I... I say we take a vote 1043 01:16:28,042 --> 01:16:30,158 and determine whether or not 1044 01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:31,742 we continue in the tradition 1045 01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:34,169 that has distinguished this firm from everyone else... 1046 01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:36,713 Tom: Okay, I'm running this meeting. Okay? 1047 01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:38,384 You got that? 1048 01:16:39,386 --> 01:16:41,047 Has anyone even read the evidence 1049 01:16:41,138 --> 01:16:42,218 this man has collected? 1050 01:16:43,432 --> 01:16:45,718 The willful negligence, the corruption? 1051 01:16:47,186 --> 01:16:48,186 Read it! 1052 01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,979 And then tell me we should be sitting on our asses! 1053 01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:55,517 That's the reason why Americans hate lawyers. 1054 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,357 This is the crap that fuels the Ralph naders of the world. 1055 01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:02,155 We should want to nail dupont. 1056 01:17:03,035 --> 01:17:04,991 All of us should! 1057 01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,286 American business is better than this, gentlemen. 1058 01:17:07,373 --> 01:17:09,989 And when it's not, we should hold them to it. 1059 01:17:10,084 --> 01:17:12,166 That's how you build faith in the system. 1060 01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:16,288 We're always arguing that companies are people. 1061 01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:20,799 Well, these people have crossed the line! 1062 01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:23,590 To hell with them! 1063 01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:28,799 Harry: It may come as a surprise 1064 01:17:28,894 --> 01:17:31,806 to corporate defense types like yourselves, 1065 01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,762 but there's more to the law than just flooding 1066 01:17:33,858 --> 01:17:35,439 the other side in papers. 1067 01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:38,734 From where I sit, you have to touch people. 1068 01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:41,399 These girls, they handle the calls 1069 01:17:41,490 --> 01:17:43,651 from the class action members. 1070 01:17:43,742 --> 01:17:46,199 And there's thousands of 'em on any given case. 1071 01:17:46,829 --> 01:17:49,912 And it's here that we come to know their pain. 1072 01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:51,535 Isn't that right, Hazel? 1073 01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:54,913 Yes. We hear it every day 1074 01:17:55,004 --> 01:17:58,167 and it's my job to make a jury feel that pain. 1075 01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:00,748 Not out of pity, but out of fear. 1076 01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,634 Whatever it is that happened to my client, 1077 01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:05,507 that juror has to think, 1078 01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,093 "that could happen to me." 1079 01:18:08,267 --> 01:18:09,677 Rob: You just keep hammering it. 1080 01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:11,929 One part per billion. One part per billion. 1081 01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,433 It's their own documents. Their own scientists. 1082 01:18:14,523 --> 01:18:15,558 Harry: Absolutely. 1083 01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:18,061 Rob: They set that standard, they have to live with it. 1084 01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,143 Harry: Yeah, I think we can relax, Rob, 1085 01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:23,479 though, there's no way they're gonna prevail with a motion to dismiss. 1086 01:18:23,574 --> 01:18:25,155 This is procedural. 1087 01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:27,403 It's nonsense. We'll get a trial today. 1088 01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:32,363 Rob: Okay, I'll catch you guys in there. 1089 01:18:35,961 --> 01:18:37,292 Wilbur: I wouldn't drink that. 1090 01:18:40,883 --> 01:18:41,883 Earl. 1091 01:18:44,011 --> 01:18:45,217 How ya doing? 1092 01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:47,428 Still here. 1093 01:18:49,266 --> 01:18:50,676 That's somethin', right? 1094 01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:53,596 Yes, that's something. 1095 01:18:54,563 --> 01:18:55,803 Sandra: Good to see ya, Robbie. 1096 01:18:59,485 --> 01:19:00,725 Can't let 'em 1097 01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:03,444 shut you down. 1098 01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,906 I won't. I promise. 1099 01:19:08,702 --> 01:19:10,033 Whole world 1100 01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:13,411 needs to know. 1101 01:19:15,542 --> 01:19:18,249 They will, Earl. They will. 1102 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,206 Hey, Rob? It's time. 1103 01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:27,334 I have to go. 1104 01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:45,394 We are here on defendant's motion 1105 01:19:45,489 --> 01:19:49,107 to dismiss the case brought by Mr. kiger, et al. 1106 01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:54,078 Now, which one of you is Mr. Wallace? 1107 01:19:54,832 --> 01:19:56,447 Edward Wallace, your honor, 1108 01:19:56,542 --> 01:19:59,079 on behalf of the e.I. Dupont de nemours and company, 1109 01:19:59,169 --> 01:20:00,625 better known as dupont. 1110 01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:02,244 Yes, I've heard of it. 1111 01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:04,000 Your motion. Thank you. 1112 01:20:05,009 --> 01:20:08,877 Your honor, we're here today because of a uniquely American invention. 1113 01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:10,638 Teflon. 1114 01:20:11,098 --> 01:20:13,805 Since 1961, teflon has liberated housewives... 1115 01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,929 No, no, no. Excuse me. Homemakers... 1116 01:20:17,021 --> 01:20:19,307 This is a courtroom, Mr. Wallace. 1117 01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:21,138 Not the home shopping network. 1118 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,275 Plaintiffs have alleged that dupont 1119 01:20:25,362 --> 01:20:27,398 did not meet its own standard of safety 1120 01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:29,946 with regard to the level of c-8 1121 01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:31,319 in the local water supply. 1122 01:20:32,161 --> 01:20:33,571 That's irrelevant, your honor. 1123 01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:35,656 We ask you to dismiss on grounds 1124 01:20:35,748 --> 01:20:37,659 that the only standard that matters, 1125 01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:40,412 is the one that elected government deems safe. 1126 01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:41,662 Rob: Not if it's unregulated. 1127 01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:43,794 It's government's job to make these determinations. 1128 01:20:43,881 --> 01:20:45,417 Not any one company. It's a trap. 1129 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:46,872 They can't revert back to... 1130 01:20:46,967 --> 01:20:48,082 I got it. 1131 01:20:48,177 --> 01:20:49,963 Is there a problem, Mr. deitzler? 1132 01:20:50,054 --> 01:20:51,760 Apologies, your honor, 1133 01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:55,510 but dupont has been hiding the dangers of this chemical 1134 01:20:55,601 --> 01:20:57,933 from the government for a while now. 1135 01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:00,477 And they're asking you to let them off the hook 1136 01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,850 because they've succeeded in their strategy. 1137 01:21:02,941 --> 01:21:05,023 Government doesn't regulate c-8. 1138 01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:06,470 Wallace: Actually, that's not true. 1139 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:07,570 No, no. 1140 01:21:07,654 --> 01:21:09,690 The West Virginia's c-8 working group 1141 01:21:09,782 --> 01:21:11,272 has just issued a standard. 1142 01:21:11,950 --> 01:21:13,110 Here with us today, 1143 01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:15,122 is the governmental official who led that effort, 1144 01:21:15,496 --> 01:21:17,032 Dr. Mary sue kimball. 1145 01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:22,116 And, Dr. kimball, as a senior member 1146 01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,452 of the state's department of environmental protection, 1147 01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:26,082 isn't it, in fact, your duty, 1148 01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:28,415 to protect the citizens of West Virginia... Mr. Wallace. 1149 01:21:29,426 --> 01:21:30,541 I'll cut to the chase. 1150 01:21:32,221 --> 01:21:33,961 What is the level of c-8 in drinking water 1151 01:21:34,056 --> 01:21:36,217 that the state of West Virginia 1152 01:21:38,602 --> 01:21:39,996 Harry: Watch it go from one part per billion to? 1153 01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:41,020 Five. Ten? 1154 01:21:41,105 --> 01:21:42,766 150 parts per billion. 1155 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,977 Of all six water districts represented in this suit, 1156 01:21:50,364 --> 01:21:52,355 do they fall below this maximum level? 1157 01:21:52,449 --> 01:21:53,449 Well below. 1158 01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:55,695 Nothing else, your honor. 1159 01:21:57,079 --> 01:21:58,740 Your witness, Mr. deitzler. 1160 01:21:58,831 --> 01:22:00,287 Wait. Who's on the working group? 1161 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:01,705 Dupont, of course, and who else? 1162 01:22:01,792 --> 01:22:03,186 Who did the water testing? Mr. deitzler? 1163 01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:04,871 When was it done? One moment, judge. 1164 01:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,293 Rob: What was the sample size? 1165 01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:07,460 We should be able to see... 1166 01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:11,419 Going once, going twice... 1167 01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:15,423 Dr. kimball, who were the members of this cabal 1168 01:22:15,514 --> 01:22:17,129 you call the c-8 working group? 1169 01:22:17,224 --> 01:22:18,680 Objection. 1170 01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:20,553 Cool it, Mr. deitzler. 1171 01:22:22,104 --> 01:22:23,435 Go ahead, Dr. kimball. 1172 01:22:23,897 --> 01:22:25,307 Agency officials, 1173 01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:29,062 representatives of the scientific community, um, stakeholders. 1174 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:30,893 Stakeholders? Which stakeholders? 1175 01:22:30,988 --> 01:22:34,446 Oh, wait, let me guess. It rhymes with bouffant? 1176 01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:37,357 Dupont is a stakeholder. Yes. 1177 01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:38,613 So, I see. 1178 01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:40,945 So, don't you find it peculiar that on the Eve 1179 01:22:41,457 --> 01:22:43,118 of a class action lawsuit, 1180 01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:46,700 where dupont might be considered liable 1181 01:22:46,795 --> 01:22:49,286 for poisoning this community, 1182 01:22:49,381 --> 01:22:52,214 they get you to come in here suddenly 1183 01:22:52,301 --> 01:22:56,089 and reverse decades of their so-called heralded science? 1184 01:22:57,222 --> 01:22:59,178 That's false. I don't work for dupont. 1185 01:22:59,266 --> 01:23:00,506 I didn't say you did. 1186 01:23:01,351 --> 01:23:03,467 But now you bring it up, we'll check back in a month. 1187 01:23:03,562 --> 01:23:05,322 Your honor... you honestly, was gonna plan on 1188 01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:10,190 telling this community that they can drink 150 times more c-8? 1189 01:23:10,277 --> 01:23:11,983 I mean, come on, people, bottoms up. 1190 01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,070 Honestly, judge... 1191 01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:15,316 All right, Mr. deitzler, enough. 1192 01:23:16,575 --> 01:23:18,065 We'll be unveiling the new standard 1193 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,616 at an upcoming public hearing. 1194 01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:23,199 Unveiling. Oh, that sounds like a party. 1195 01:23:24,041 --> 01:23:25,041 We'll be there! 1196 01:23:31,048 --> 01:23:33,790 Their safety standards thing, that's all a sham. 1197 01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:35,624 Thanks to the judge's decision, 1198 01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,630 we will have our day in court. 1199 01:23:37,721 --> 01:23:38,927 Man in crowd: Yes, we will! 1200 01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:41,346 Because if the state of West Virginia 1201 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:43,298 won't stop the dupont corporation 1202 01:23:43,393 --> 01:23:45,634 from literally poisoning its citizens, 1203 01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:49,062 then we, the citizens, will stop them ourselves. 1204 01:23:51,193 --> 01:23:53,479 Barbara Walters: Good evening and welcome to 20/20. 1205 01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:57,859 Well, it coats the pots you cook with so the food doesn't stick. 1206 01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:01,067 It protects the carpet your baby crawls on. 1207 01:24:01,161 --> 01:24:02,947 I miss carpet. 1208 01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,245 Walters: Your skin lotion, even your makeup. 1209 01:24:05,332 --> 01:24:07,197 We're talking about teflon. 1210 01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:10,284 And tonight our 20/20 investigation uncovers 1211 01:24:10,379 --> 01:24:14,543 alarming information about this much-used material. 1212 01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:17,170 It is very alarming, Barbara. I cook with teflon. 1213 01:24:17,261 --> 01:24:20,378 I didn't know until I watched this report that you're about to see, 1214 01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:22,178 that if teflon gets hot enough... 1215 01:24:22,266 --> 01:24:24,052 Millions of people have in their homes. 1216 01:24:24,142 --> 01:24:25,495 Teflon has become such a familiar... 1217 01:24:25,519 --> 01:24:28,682 Substance that is also used in clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses. 1218 01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:32,105 Already found in the blood of most Americans. 1219 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:38,466 Millions of homes across Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface... 1220 01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:40,572 Male newscaster: The environmental protection agency 1221 01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:45,574 this morning announced it has opened a priority review of the chemical c-8, 1222 01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:48,280 currently the subject of a class action lawsuit 1223 01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:50,240 against the chemical giant dupont. 1224 01:24:50,335 --> 01:24:51,335 Darlene: Joe! 1225 01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:56,455 Joe! Oh, my lord! Joe, just wait! 1226 01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:59,542 Wait for the fire department, please, honey! 1227 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,919 Please don't go crazy! 1228 01:25:02,014 --> 01:25:03,950 Newscaster 1: Have triggered a mass panic amongst Chinese consumers. 1229 01:25:03,974 --> 01:25:06,716 Newscaster 2: Just throw away your non-stick pans, many experts... 1230 01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,017 Newscaster 3: Are your pans making you sick? 1231 01:25:09,104 --> 01:25:10,810 That's the question being asked... 1232 01:25:10,897 --> 01:25:14,060 Newscaster 4: Kitchen implements coated in teflon. 1233 01:25:14,693 --> 01:25:17,685 Joe: The house was empty. It belongs to my father. 1234 01:25:18,071 --> 01:25:20,153 I don't know how it could've started. 1235 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,480 Fire captain: His name kiger? 1236 01:25:23,118 --> 01:25:25,234 Think someone might have got the wrong house? 1237 01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:36,954 All-American mom: All of this hullabaloo is just silly. 1238 01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:41,091 Teflon is completely safe for cooking. 1239 01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:43,965 That is why we founded the cook healthy campaign, 1240 01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:45,592 to set the record straight. 1241 01:25:45,724 --> 01:25:50,639 And besides being completely safe, it is also... 1242 01:25:57,903 --> 01:25:59,109 Copy that. 1243 01:26:02,115 --> 01:26:03,480 All the way down. 1244 01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:09,367 Videographer: We're now on the record. 1245 01:27:09,391 --> 01:27:13,259 This is the videotaped deposition of Charles o. Holliday, Jr., 1246 01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:16,311 taken by the plaintiffs in the matter of kiger et al 1247 01:27:16,398 --> 01:27:19,606 v. The e.I. Dupont de nemours and company. 1248 01:27:19,693 --> 01:27:21,399 Court stenographer: Raise your right hand. 1249 01:27:22,112 --> 01:27:24,819 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 1250 01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:26,021 I do. 1251 01:27:27,451 --> 01:27:29,407 Rob: Uh, please state your name. 1252 01:27:30,203 --> 01:27:31,943 Charles o. Holliday, Jr. 1253 01:27:32,372 --> 01:27:35,739 And are you presently employed? 1254 01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:37,828 Yes. 1255 01:27:38,295 --> 01:27:40,331 What is your position? 1256 01:27:41,298 --> 01:27:44,540 I'm the chairman and chief executive officer of the dupont company. 1257 01:27:45,886 --> 01:27:50,505 In dupont's most recent filing with the securities and exchange commission, 1258 01:27:50,599 --> 01:27:55,013 you state, "based on over 50 years of industry experience 1259 01:27:55,103 --> 01:27:57,344 "and extensive scientific study, 1260 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,432 "dupont believes there is no evidence that pfoa causes 1261 01:28:01,526 --> 01:28:05,940 "any adverse human health effects or harms the environment." 1262 01:28:06,031 --> 01:28:08,147 You signed that legal filing, correct? 1263 01:28:08,241 --> 01:28:10,983 I don't recall the exact statement, but that sounds right to me. 1264 01:28:11,077 --> 01:28:15,116 Are you aware that dupont has, in its own files, 1265 01:28:15,207 --> 01:28:20,201 studies dating back to the 1970s that say just the opposite? 1266 01:28:20,504 --> 01:28:23,416 That pfoa, or c-8, as it's called, 1267 01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:26,590 has potentially life-threatening effects on human health? 1268 01:28:26,676 --> 01:28:29,588 I'm not familiar with the exact studies we may have in our files. 1269 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,967 Then I'll take you through them. Uh, exhibit 9. 1270 01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:41,771 Uh, you were just handed exhibit 9. 1271 01:28:42,108 --> 01:28:46,192 Uh, do you see the date march 13th, 19797? Yes. 1272 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,028 Do you see the dupont logo at the top? Yes. 1273 01:28:49,157 --> 01:28:52,866 Do you see this word here, highlighted? Yes. 1274 01:28:52,953 --> 01:28:55,615 Would you read it for me, please? "Receptors." 1275 01:28:56,456 --> 01:29:00,074 Do you know what that word refers to, receptors? 1276 01:29:00,627 --> 01:29:03,539 Um, in this context, I do not. 1277 01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:05,245 It means human beings. 1278 01:29:05,757 --> 01:29:07,839 Dupont refers to the men and women 1279 01:29:07,926 --> 01:29:11,669 that your company exposed to c-8 as receptors. 1280 01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:16,382 And in these receptors, your scientists found, 1281 01:29:16,476 --> 01:29:20,719 "significantly higher incidents of allergic endocrine 1282 01:29:20,814 --> 01:29:22,679 "and metabolic disorders." 1283 01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:27,393 As well as, "excess risk of developing liver disease." 1284 01:29:27,487 --> 01:29:29,478 Do you see that? Yes. 1285 01:29:31,157 --> 01:29:34,615 Moreover, you have infertility at teflon. 1286 01:29:34,703 --> 01:29:36,944 Occurrences of leukemia. 1287 01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:39,324 You have excess of cancers. 1288 01:29:39,416 --> 01:29:41,452 Bladder, kidney, oral, pharynx. 1289 01:29:41,543 --> 01:29:44,034 Next paragraph. 78. 1290 01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:46,666 Do you see that heading? Do you see that date? Do you see that? 1291 01:29:46,756 --> 01:29:49,247 Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53. 1292 01:29:49,342 --> 01:29:51,424 I'd like to move on to birth defects. 1293 01:29:51,511 --> 01:29:52,711 We've gone almost seven hours. 1294 01:29:52,762 --> 01:29:55,629 Mr. holliday, you're aware that in 1981 1295 01:29:55,724 --> 01:29:59,467 3m notified dupont that it had conducted studies on rats. 1296 01:29:59,561 --> 01:30:00,971 And these studies showed 1297 01:30:01,062 --> 01:30:04,896 that sustained c-8 exposure can cause facial deformities? 1298 01:30:04,983 --> 01:30:06,723 I'm not aware of a study by 3m. 1299 01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:11,403 How about dupont's own studies that showed the same thing in humans? 1300 01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:18,280 That's dupont's pregnancy study from 1981. 1301 01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:20,224 Does that look like a dupont document to you? 1302 01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:21,328 It looks to be. 1303 01:30:23,376 --> 01:30:27,039 Are you aware that dupont has denied that any such study 1304 01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:29,587 ever even took place? 1305 01:30:30,884 --> 01:30:33,546 I'm not familiar with specific statements we've made about that. 1306 01:30:33,637 --> 01:30:37,300 Seven pregnant women, all dupont employees, 1307 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,426 all from the teflon line. 1308 01:30:40,226 --> 01:30:42,308 Do you see this here? 1309 01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:46,809 "Child, four months, one nostril, 1310 01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,107 "eye defect.” yes. 1311 01:30:49,194 --> 01:30:52,402 Two of the seven women, nearly 30%, gave birth 1312 01:30:52,489 --> 01:30:56,357 to babies that had the exact facial deformities that your company 1313 01:30:56,451 --> 01:30:58,692 already knew about. We're done here. 1314 01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:01,987 Sir. 1315 01:31:03,375 --> 01:31:05,206 His parents named him bucky. 1316 01:31:08,922 --> 01:31:10,287 Bucky Bailey. 1317 01:31:12,175 --> 01:31:14,541 This is your receptor. 1318 01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:24,384 Now we're done. 1319 01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:05,118 Newscaster: The environmental protection agency has levied the largest fine 1320 01:33:05,205 --> 01:33:09,039 in agency history against the chemical giant, dupont. 1321 01:33:09,501 --> 01:33:14,120 The epa concluded the company failed to report the health dangers of c-8 1322 01:33:14,214 --> 01:33:16,796 used in the manufacture of teflon. 1323 01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:21,043 Dupont will pay the epa 16.5 million. 1324 01:33:22,347 --> 01:33:26,340 It earns a billion dollars in profits from teflon each year. 1325 01:33:33,483 --> 01:33:34,814 Mediator: To recap, 1326 01:33:34,901 --> 01:33:38,109 we've agreed that dupont will clean local water supplies. 1327 01:33:38,196 --> 01:33:41,780 Install infiltration systems in all six water districts. 1328 01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:46,409 Additionally, dupont will pay 70 million in cash to the class. 1329 01:33:46,496 --> 01:33:48,703 Three days' revenue on the teflon line. 1330 01:33:49,874 --> 01:33:53,742 Mediator: Which leaves our most challenging issue. Medical monitoring. 1331 01:33:53,837 --> 01:33:56,920 We've agreed to establish an independent science panel 1332 01:33:57,006 --> 01:34:01,545 comprised of three scientists who have no relationship to either side. 1333 01:34:02,387 --> 01:34:05,845 This independent panel will study the members of this class 1334 01:34:05,932 --> 01:34:09,766 to determine whether c-8 exposure has led to increased incidents 1335 01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:11,844 of disease in this region. 1336 01:34:12,647 --> 01:34:15,480 If the panel finds that there are probable scientific links 1337 01:34:15,567 --> 01:34:18,980 to a particular disease, the health of everyone in the class 1338 01:34:19,070 --> 01:34:22,983 will be monitored for that disease in perpetuity 1339 01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:26,487 at dupont's cost, up to 235 million. 1340 01:34:26,578 --> 01:34:29,365 And any class member who develops that disease 1341 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:32,117 can sue dupont for damages. 1342 01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:34,119 However... 1343 01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:38,624 If the science panel fails to establish probable scientific links, 1344 01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:40,500 then this case is over. 1345 01:34:40,592 --> 01:34:44,130 No monitoring. No lawsuits. No exceptions. 1346 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:48,592 Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now officially in the hands of science. 1347 01:34:49,934 --> 01:34:54,394 Harry: Well, wouldn't have pegged you as a Mai Tai guy. 1348 01:34:55,273 --> 01:34:57,730 It's festive. Wouldn't have pegged you for that either. 1349 01:34:57,817 --> 01:35:00,559 We have something to celebrate. Yeah? 1350 01:35:00,653 --> 01:35:01,733 Larry: Do we? 1351 01:35:03,072 --> 01:35:06,860 Look, how do we know that the panel's gonna prove 1352 01:35:06,951 --> 01:35:09,567 that dupont made all these people sick? 1353 01:35:10,330 --> 01:35:12,821 I'm no scientist, but even I know you'd need 1354 01:35:15,835 --> 01:35:17,496 thousands of blood samples and... 1355 01:35:17,587 --> 01:35:19,828 Harry: From people who don't trust us. 1356 01:35:19,923 --> 01:35:23,211 "Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with some needles. You won't mind, will ya?" 1357 01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:26,797 I know these people, you know. 1358 01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:30,050 They're gonna take the money and run. 1359 01:35:30,141 --> 01:35:31,256 Wouldn't you? 1360 01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:36,015 I think they want more than just the money. I think they... 1361 01:35:36,981 --> 01:35:39,518 They wanna know if they're gonna get sick or not. 1362 01:35:39,609 --> 01:35:42,601 Or if they have c-8 in their blood, and what that's gonna do 1363 01:35:42,695 --> 01:35:45,107 to them and their families. 1364 01:35:46,366 --> 01:35:48,857 So, we're just gonna trust that they show up? 1365 01:35:48,952 --> 01:35:52,410 Trust, but verify. What does that mean, Rob? 1366 01:35:53,706 --> 01:35:56,743 Well, come in for an exam. 1367 01:35:56,834 --> 01:36:00,201 Um, give us a blood sample. 1368 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,962 Then, we'll give you your check. 1369 01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:07,925 On second thought, make mine a Mai Tai. 1370 01:36:08,012 --> 01:36:09,012 All around, please. 1371 01:36:10,431 --> 01:36:12,547 Rob bilott. Yeah. 1372 01:36:12,684 --> 01:36:14,845 Where'd you pull that out of? 1373 01:36:15,061 --> 01:36:17,552 Woman: Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us. 1374 01:36:17,647 --> 01:36:20,730 That's why scientists need to know if the chemical c-8 1375 01:36:20,817 --> 01:36:22,307 causes any health problems. 1376 01:36:22,402 --> 01:36:26,190 Starting today, you can help by completing a health questionnaire and having... 1377 01:36:29,242 --> 01:36:31,028 Oh, come on! 1378 01:36:31,119 --> 01:36:32,972 Radio dj: Medical Van's downtown. Well, how about you? 1379 01:36:32,996 --> 01:36:36,989 You gonna get your blood tested? Guest: Nah. I hate needles. 1380 01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:39,119 Radio dj: It's $400, buddy. 1381 01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:40,919 Guest: Really? 1382 01:36:41,004 --> 01:36:43,120 Radio dj: Got your attention, didn't I? 1383 01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:15,201 Woman: Okay. Okay. All right. All right. 1384 01:37:15,788 --> 01:37:17,494 Yeah. That'll work. 1385 01:37:17,582 --> 01:37:19,243 We bring them back here. 1386 01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:22,867 Draw the blood, hand them a check. 1387 01:37:22,962 --> 01:37:25,203 Rob: $4007? Each. 1388 01:37:25,298 --> 01:37:27,129 Lots of money around here. 1389 01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:29,111 How many you brought with you today, miss luannn? 1390 01:37:29,135 --> 01:37:31,501 My husband, and my three kids, and me. 1391 01:37:31,596 --> 01:37:33,052 Dr. Brooks: $2,000. 1392 01:37:33,139 --> 01:37:35,972 Not too shabby right before Christmas. Yup. 1393 01:37:36,976 --> 01:37:39,058 But you ain't gonna find nothing. 1394 01:37:39,145 --> 01:37:42,228 Dupont's good people. You'll see. 1395 01:37:45,985 --> 01:37:47,504 Gigi, gigi, gigi! 1396 01:37:47,528 --> 01:37:50,520 It's your turn to put the angel on the top. 1397 01:37:51,032 --> 01:37:53,398 You do it, sweetie. Gigi's too pooped. 1398 01:37:53,493 --> 01:37:56,451 Why don't you get your uncle Ben to give you a boost? 1399 01:37:56,537 --> 01:37:59,495 Ooh. Mom, you okay? 1400 01:37:59,582 --> 01:38:00,582 Yeah. 1401 01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:02,156 Seriously, it's huge. 1402 01:38:02,251 --> 01:38:04,229 They're gonna be making you partner this year. I know it. 1403 01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:06,118 Well, they'd better. I mean... 1404 01:38:06,381 --> 01:38:07,996 Mommy, come see! 1405 01:38:08,091 --> 01:38:09,234 Hey, baby, did you hang that ornament? 1406 01:38:09,258 --> 01:38:11,249 Sarah: Rob, can you get that? Karla: Let me see. 1407 01:38:11,344 --> 01:38:12,550 Rob: Okay, I'm coming. 1408 01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,557 Hello? 1409 01:38:17,642 --> 01:38:20,008 Larry: Rob, you sitting down for this? Larry, what's wrong? 1410 01:38:20,103 --> 01:38:23,516 Sixty-nine thousand. Sixty-nine thousand what? 1411 01:38:23,606 --> 01:38:26,723 Sixty-nine thousand people got tested. Sixty-nine thousand! 1412 01:38:26,818 --> 01:38:28,934 Do you realize how much data this is? 1413 01:38:29,028 --> 01:38:30,422 It's what we needed, Rob! This is it! 1414 01:38:30,446 --> 01:38:32,937 Oh, my god. You were right all along, my friend. 1415 01:38:33,032 --> 01:38:34,442 Merry Christmas! Thank you! 1416 01:38:34,534 --> 01:38:36,024 You bet. Thank you! 1417 01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:37,404 Talk real soon. 1418 01:38:39,122 --> 01:38:41,078 Hey, who was that? You won't believe it. 1419 01:38:41,165 --> 01:38:43,781 Daddy, guess what I just did? What? What'd you just do? 1420 01:38:43,876 --> 01:38:45,707 I put the angel on the top. 1421 01:38:45,795 --> 01:38:47,160 Yeah? Uncle Ben lifted me. 1422 01:38:47,255 --> 01:38:49,871 He did? Like this? Oh! 1423 01:38:49,966 --> 01:38:53,754 Merry Christmas, everyone! Guests: Merry Christmas! 1424 01:39:08,568 --> 01:39:13,107 Minister: We are gathered here today in the memory of wilbur Earl tennant. 1425 01:39:13,614 --> 01:39:16,481 "The lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. 1426 01:39:17,076 --> 01:39:19,738 "He makes me lie down in green pastures. 1427 01:39:20,246 --> 01:39:25,081 "He leads me besides still waters. He restoreth my soul. 1428 01:39:25,168 --> 01:39:28,660 "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, 1429 01:39:28,754 --> 01:39:30,915 "I will fear no evil..." 1430 01:40:03,498 --> 01:40:05,184 Teddy: Quick, everybody. Mustard or ketchup? 1431 01:40:05,208 --> 01:40:07,369 Charlie: Teddy, for the tenth time, that's my ketchup. 1432 01:40:07,460 --> 01:40:10,452 Sarah: Charlie, don't start. Charlie: What? It's mine. I got it. 1433 01:40:10,546 --> 01:40:13,208 He's got his own, okay? Young farmer: You're that lawyer. 1434 01:40:13,591 --> 01:40:14,751 Finish up. 1435 01:40:16,385 --> 01:40:20,128 My brother's Dale lamb. You took his blood. Said you'd help him. 1436 01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:23,427 Yeah, I did. We're... we're working on it. I promise. 1437 01:40:23,518 --> 01:40:24,849 He's dead. 1438 01:40:26,604 --> 01:40:28,390 Testicular cancer. 1439 01:40:30,441 --> 01:40:33,057 Left three little boys younger than yours. 1440 01:40:38,282 --> 01:40:40,489 But you enjoy your family. 1441 01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:44,079 Okay. Everybody up. 1442 01:40:44,163 --> 01:40:45,824 I'm not finished. I said up. 1443 01:41:24,704 --> 01:41:28,242 Well, Darlene can't even leave the house without being harassed! 1444 01:41:29,542 --> 01:41:33,205 First, they blame us for suing dupont, 1445 01:41:33,296 --> 01:41:36,754 and now they hate on us 'cause they ain't seen nothing from it! 1446 01:41:36,841 --> 01:41:39,833 Rob: I'm sorry, Joe... well, that ain't good enough! 1447 01:41:40,094 --> 01:41:43,632 And they wonder why in the hell it takes four damn years 1448 01:41:43,723 --> 01:41:47,181 to read a lousy blood sample, and I don't blame 'em! 1449 01:41:47,602 --> 01:41:51,720 We trusted you, Rob. We put our faith in you. 1450 01:41:51,814 --> 01:41:54,180 - I know, Joe. I'm so... - All right? 1451 01:41:58,654 --> 01:42:02,738 Rob: Isn't there just some kind of a progress report? 1452 01:42:02,825 --> 01:42:06,067 Anything that I can share with these folks? 1453 01:42:06,162 --> 01:42:08,653 I mean, they... They have been waiting. 1454 01:42:08,748 --> 01:42:10,225 Panel assistant: I'm sorry, Mr. bilott. 1455 01:42:10,249 --> 01:42:11,989 The panel is still in the process of 1456 01:42:12,084 --> 01:42:13,995 analyzing complex data and modeling 1457 01:42:14,086 --> 01:42:16,828 from thousands of samples and medical histories. 1458 01:42:16,964 --> 01:42:20,081 I'm so sorry. Could you hold a moment? 1459 01:42:30,269 --> 01:42:32,430 Sarah: Charlie, don't pick at your food. 1460 01:42:34,148 --> 01:42:35,388 Tony: What's a hooker? 1461 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,100 Where did you learn that? 1462 01:42:39,195 --> 01:42:41,937 He told me that Mary magdalene was a hooker. 1463 01:42:43,699 --> 01:42:46,862 What? She was. You're supposed to say prostitute. 1464 01:42:46,952 --> 01:42:49,364 Sarah: And then she found god 1465 01:42:49,455 --> 01:42:52,242 and became one of Jesus's most fervent disciples. 1466 01:42:53,959 --> 01:42:55,479 See? I was just teaching him the Bible. 1467 01:42:55,961 --> 01:42:58,418 I can't today. So everybody up. 1468 01:42:59,048 --> 01:43:00,538 Everybody up! 1469 01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,599 Can we still afford it? What? 1470 01:43:12,561 --> 01:43:13,846 Catholic school. 1471 01:43:29,662 --> 01:43:31,698 My brother's back in rehab. Did you know that? 1472 01:43:34,667 --> 01:43:37,659 No, I'm sorry. Today's... 1473 01:43:39,338 --> 01:43:41,795 Today's mom's first day at chemo. 1474 01:43:42,425 --> 01:43:43,425 I forgot. 1475 01:43:43,509 --> 01:43:46,251 'Cause it's not about your case, Rob. 1476 01:43:46,512 --> 01:43:47,718 Carl 1477 01:43:47,805 --> 01:43:49,090 Tony: Gosh. Okay. Jimmies. 1478 01:43:55,104 --> 01:43:58,847 Teddy forged my signature, and Tony's quitting football. Tony. 1479 01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:00,932 But how would you know about that, right? 1480 01:44:01,026 --> 01:44:03,108 Because all you see, all that you... 1481 01:44:03,195 --> 01:44:06,687 You... the boys have ever seen is you, obsessing about this... 1482 01:44:11,203 --> 01:44:12,909 Have I ever complained? 1483 01:44:16,667 --> 01:44:19,534 Say something, for god's sakes, Rob! 1484 01:44:19,628 --> 01:44:21,584 No. No? 1485 01:44:21,672 --> 01:44:23,458 No. No. 1486 01:44:24,508 --> 01:44:26,544 Because I knew that you needed something. 1487 01:44:26,635 --> 01:44:29,377 Some connection... something. 1488 01:44:29,472 --> 01:44:30,472 And... 1489 01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:31,890 So I took it on. 1490 01:44:33,058 --> 01:44:37,017 But if you want to start accounting, if you want to start with, 1491 01:44:37,104 --> 01:44:39,140 "oh, can we afford," then... 1492 01:44:42,485 --> 01:44:44,191 I don't know, Rob. 1493 01:44:45,154 --> 01:44:47,896 Can the boys afford a father who can't string two words together? 1494 01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:50,527 Can our marriage afford 13 years of... 1495 01:44:50,618 --> 01:44:52,483 Thirteen years of this? 1496 01:44:55,164 --> 01:44:58,748 How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it? About our lives? 1497 01:45:02,922 --> 01:45:04,253 Of course not. 1498 01:45:06,008 --> 01:45:08,215 I'll tell mom you asked about her. 1499 01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:14,547 Tom: What in god's name is that panel doing? Why are we still getting bills? 1500 01:45:14,934 --> 01:45:17,175 Overhead. Uh... 1501 01:45:17,269 --> 01:45:18,349 Local counsel. 1502 01:45:18,437 --> 01:45:21,019 Harry's call center... $1,000 an hour. 1503 01:45:21,106 --> 01:45:23,438 That... that was a technical expert. 1504 01:45:23,526 --> 01:45:27,735 We needed to do filings when dupont started lobbying Washington... 1505 01:45:27,822 --> 01:45:29,528 That's Washington's problem, not ours. 1506 01:45:29,615 --> 01:45:31,335 That's why you got them involved. Your memo. 1507 01:45:31,367 --> 01:45:34,109 It was just a fine, Tom. It's a fine. Sixteen million. 1508 01:45:34,203 --> 01:45:37,036 It's... it's nothing for these people. It's pocket change. 1509 01:45:37,122 --> 01:45:39,601 Yes, but if they get charged with criminal concealment, game over. 1510 01:45:39,625 --> 01:45:42,241 You said DOJ was investigating. Not anymore. 1511 01:45:42,378 --> 01:45:44,209 What? They dropped the investigation. 1512 01:45:44,338 --> 01:45:46,829 They dropped... what? They dropped it. No reason given. 1513 01:45:49,677 --> 01:45:53,511 Tom, our government is captive to dupont. 1514 01:45:53,973 --> 01:45:56,806 This case, it's the only hope we have. 1515 01:45:56,892 --> 01:45:59,304 They know that, and they're trying to make it as expensive 1516 01:45:59,395 --> 01:46:02,182 as they can to force you to make me stop. 1517 01:46:04,358 --> 01:46:06,223 Just tell me how much longer. I... 1518 01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:10,777 I... I can't. I. 1 wish I could. 1519 01:46:12,366 --> 01:46:13,651 Tom, I... are you okay? 1520 01:46:13,742 --> 01:46:15,278 Um, I'm fine. I'm just... 1521 01:46:15,369 --> 01:46:19,738 Rob, I'm a managing partner now. I have a firm to run. 1522 01:46:20,249 --> 01:46:24,083 I know. And Tom, I think there could be a huge payout here... 1523 01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,534 You think I'm in this for money? 1524 01:46:26,338 --> 01:46:27,453 No, I... you think I am... 1525 01:46:27,548 --> 01:46:32,008 Letting you drag this firm's reputation through a meat grinder 1526 01:46:32,094 --> 01:46:33,709 for some kind of plaintiff's payoff? 1527 01:46:36,181 --> 01:46:38,888 I... I don't know why you're doing it. 1528 01:46:43,147 --> 01:46:45,433 Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry, 1529 01:46:45,524 --> 01:46:48,106 but you're gonna have to take another pay cut. 1530 01:46:48,193 --> 01:46:51,105 Tom, that's... That's my fourth pay cut. 1531 01:46:51,196 --> 01:46:54,154 Rob: I... I'm down to a third now. 1532 01:46:54,241 --> 01:46:56,641 Tom: You don't have any clients. No one will take your calls. 1533 01:46:58,203 --> 01:47:02,446 What am I supposed to do here? Now, I'm on your side, but... 1534 01:47:02,791 --> 01:47:03,791 Rob? 1535 01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:07,122 Amy? Amy! 1536 01:47:07,212 --> 01:47:09,203 Tom's secretary: Kathleen! Tom: Get some help! 1537 01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:10,898 Tom's secretary: Kathleen! Get some help! 1538 01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,124 Kathleen: Rob! Rob! 1539 01:47:23,354 --> 01:47:25,561 Tom: Looks like we should, uh, cancel 1540 01:47:25,648 --> 01:47:28,765 my 4:00 with Jerry and... 1541 01:47:28,859 --> 01:47:31,441 I don't know. We're waiting to find out. 1542 01:47:31,528 --> 01:47:32,608 It was, uh... 1543 01:47:35,783 --> 01:47:38,445 Make... make sure that, uh, Jerry knows that... 1544 01:47:39,787 --> 01:47:41,323 I... I have to go. 1545 01:47:42,206 --> 01:47:43,696 Mrs. bilott? Yes. 1546 01:47:43,791 --> 01:47:46,999 We think your husband's most likely experienced a Tia. 1547 01:47:47,086 --> 01:47:49,293 A transient ischemic attack. 1548 01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:53,794 Blood is briefly cut off to the brain, mimicking the symptoms of a stroke. 1549 01:47:55,302 --> 01:47:59,295 Uh, excuse me. A Tia? This wasn't short. 1550 01:47:59,515 --> 01:48:01,881 It... it kept going on. 1551 01:48:01,976 --> 01:48:03,307 What about poison? 1552 01:48:03,936 --> 01:48:05,267 I'm sorry? 1553 01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:08,012 Could someone be poisoning him? 1554 01:48:08,107 --> 01:48:11,440 No, Mrs. bilott. This is neurological. 1555 01:48:12,111 --> 01:48:13,726 You just said it wasn't a stroke. 1556 01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:15,607 Well, not this time. 1557 01:48:15,698 --> 01:48:17,258 What does that mean? Well, it means that 1558 01:48:17,366 --> 01:48:19,357 he needs to never miss his medication. Mmm-hmm. 1559 01:48:19,451 --> 01:48:22,614 And needs to reduce all sources of stress in his life. 1560 01:48:22,955 --> 01:48:25,287 He's under enormous pressure at work. 1561 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,208 Well, that needs to change. But he's a young man. 1562 01:48:29,294 --> 01:48:30,854 He shouldn't be having these incidences. 1563 01:48:32,381 --> 01:48:34,337 He's sedated, but you can see him. 1564 01:48:34,466 --> 01:48:37,708 I'll check in on him tomorrow. Thank you. Thank you. 1565 01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:47,892 I'll give you some privacy. 1566 01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:52,640 Anything you need, call me. 1567 01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:58,737 I need you to stop making him feel like a failure. 1568 01:49:05,205 --> 01:49:09,073 I appreciate the stress that your family must be going through. 1569 01:49:09,168 --> 01:49:12,626 Please don't talk to me like I'm the wife. 1570 01:49:16,383 --> 01:49:19,591 Did Rob ever tell you about moving around as a kid? 1571 01:49:22,014 --> 01:49:24,721 Ten times before senior year. 1572 01:49:24,808 --> 01:49:26,844 No friends, no ties, no... 1573 01:49:26,935 --> 01:49:29,472 Just him, his sister, his folks. 1574 01:49:31,565 --> 01:49:33,806 Then I came along and you came along and... 1575 01:49:36,278 --> 01:49:38,485 Taft, it's not just a job. 1576 01:49:38,572 --> 01:49:41,484 To himit's... it's home. 1577 01:49:45,245 --> 01:49:47,782 And he was willing to risk all that 1578 01:49:48,082 --> 01:49:50,619 for a stranger who needed his help. 1579 01:49:52,127 --> 01:49:57,121 Now, you and I may not know what that is, 1580 01:49:59,343 --> 01:50:01,254 but it's not failure. 1581 01:50:35,587 --> 01:50:39,830 Lord, you have searched my heart 1582 01:50:40,259 --> 01:50:45,253 parishioners: And you know when I sit and when I stand 1583 01:50:45,764 --> 01:50:48,972 your hand is upon me 1584 01:50:49,059 --> 01:50:52,517 protecting me from death 1585 01:50:52,688 --> 01:50:57,808 keeping me from harm 1586 01:50:59,736 --> 01:51:05,902 oh, lord, I know you are near 1587 01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:15,245 standing always at 1588 01:51:15,335 --> 01:51:18,498 my side 1589 01:51:45,741 --> 01:51:48,027 Bailey: Hey, do you know the score? 1590 01:51:49,328 --> 01:51:53,037 The game? Sorry, my radio's busted. 1591 01:51:54,666 --> 01:51:55,951 Sorry. 1592 01:51:56,251 --> 01:51:58,207 Don't worry about it. It'll be a surprise. 1593 01:51:58,503 --> 01:52:00,164 Bucky, come on. We'll be late. 1594 01:52:02,007 --> 01:52:03,042 Have a good one. 1595 01:53:45,527 --> 01:53:48,167 Leary: Hey, Rob, bill leary. We haven't met. 1596 01:53:48,363 --> 01:53:50,103 I'm the new comptroller out of Indianapolis. 1597 01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,737 Listen, we need to talk about these unbilled hours and these unreimbursed... 1598 01:54:10,427 --> 01:54:12,884 Hello? Dr. frank: Mr. bilott? 1599 01:54:13,513 --> 01:54:14,673 Yes? 1600 01:54:14,765 --> 01:54:17,928 I guess I should start by apologizing for taking... 1601 01:54:18,352 --> 01:54:20,593 Well, seven years to call you. 1602 01:54:20,687 --> 01:54:22,678 Who is this? Oh, yes, of course. 1603 01:54:22,814 --> 01:54:26,557 It's Dr. Karen frank from the... Science panel? 1604 01:54:27,944 --> 01:54:31,732 Again, I'm so sorry to have kept you waiting this long, Mr. bilott. 1605 01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:34,857 But there was just so much data... Please, doctor, please, 1606 01:54:35,202 --> 01:54:36,202 can you... 1607 01:54:36,286 --> 01:54:38,493 Would just please tell me what's happened? 1608 01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,287 What's happening? What you've found out? 1609 01:54:41,375 --> 01:54:44,708 Yes. You gave us an unprecedented amount of data. 1610 01:54:45,295 --> 01:54:48,287 The largest epidemiological study in human history. 1611 01:54:49,049 --> 01:54:53,133 It's irrefutable. We have linked sustained exposure to c-8 1612 01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:56,758 to six categories of serious illness. 1613 01:55:01,645 --> 01:55:04,808 Kidney cancer, testicular cancer... 1614 01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:08,141 Thyroid disease, preeclampsia... 1615 01:55:08,235 --> 01:55:10,977 High cholesterol, ulcerative colitis. 1616 01:55:12,322 --> 01:55:16,110 3,535 people in the class already have these diseases. 1617 01:55:17,035 --> 01:55:18,821 Many more will develop them. 1618 01:55:20,831 --> 01:55:24,164 Thanks to you the entire class will be monitored... 1619 01:55:24,251 --> 01:55:27,539 And those who get sick cah seek restitution. 1620 01:55:29,297 --> 01:55:32,789 You did a good thing here, Mr. bilott. You did good. 1621 01:55:35,512 --> 01:55:37,093 Thank you. 1622 01:57:30,126 --> 01:57:33,539 Rob? What happened? 1623 01:57:38,009 --> 01:57:39,465 Rob? 1624 01:57:41,721 --> 01:57:43,461 Dupont, they're reneging. 1625 01:57:45,809 --> 01:57:48,095 Which part? All of it. 1626 01:57:49,104 --> 01:57:50,640 They're tearing up our agreement. 1627 01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:52,558 Rejecting the science panel. 1628 01:57:52,649 --> 01:57:55,982 They're gonna fight every claim in court. 1629 01:57:56,069 --> 01:57:59,561 Thousands of claims. People, sick people, they'll give up. 1630 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,571 They can't fight dupont! 1631 01:58:02,033 --> 01:58:04,775 How can they go back on... 1632 01:58:04,911 --> 01:58:06,993 Sarah. They can't go back on everything. 1633 01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,365 They're a titan of industry. 1634 01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:09,767 They can do whatever the hell they want. 1635 01:58:09,791 --> 01:58:10,951 Nothing else matters. 1636 01:58:11,042 --> 01:58:12,578 They can fight you all they want. 1637 01:58:12,669 --> 01:58:14,349 It doesn't take away from what you've done! 1638 01:58:14,421 --> 01:58:17,663 Of course, it does. That's exactly what it does! 1639 01:58:19,217 --> 01:58:21,337 They want to show the world that it's no use fighting. 1640 01:58:21,428 --> 01:58:24,215 Look, everybody, even he can't crack the maze 1641 01:58:24,306 --> 01:58:25,466 and he's helped build it! 1642 01:58:26,474 --> 01:58:28,339 The system is rigged! 1643 01:58:29,644 --> 01:58:31,509 They want us to think it'll protect us, 1644 01:58:31,605 --> 01:58:32,685 but that's a lie. 1645 01:58:32,772 --> 01:58:34,683 We protect us. We do. 1646 01:58:34,941 --> 01:58:36,056 Nobody else. 1647 01:58:37,986 --> 01:58:40,693 Not the companies. Not the scientists. 1648 01:58:40,780 --> 01:58:42,520 Not the government. Us. 1649 01:58:45,994 --> 01:58:49,157 A farmer with a 12th grade education told me that. 1650 01:58:51,458 --> 01:58:55,827 On day one, he knew and I thought he was crazy. 1651 01:59:03,178 --> 01:59:04,793 Isn't that crazy? 1652 01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,091 No. 1653 02:00:16,668 --> 02:00:18,283 Court officer: All rise. 1654 02:00:18,503 --> 02:00:19,913 The honorable Timothy burg... 1655 02:00:20,004 --> 02:00:23,462 United States district judge for the Southern district of Ohio presiding. 1656 02:00:23,550 --> 02:00:26,132 This court is now in session pursuant to the adjournment. 1657 02:00:26,219 --> 02:00:27,925 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 1658 02:00:28,012 --> 02:00:30,378 All persons having business with this honorable court 1659 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,507 draw near, give their attention and they shall be heard. 1660 02:00:33,601 --> 02:00:36,343 God save the United States and this honorable court. 1661 02:00:36,438 --> 02:00:38,019 Please be seated. 1662 02:00:38,106 --> 02:00:40,518 And we're here this morning for a jury trial. 1663 02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:45,611 So, 3,535 claims. 1664 02:00:46,156 --> 02:00:48,397 At a rate of four or five cases a year, 1665 02:00:48,491 --> 02:00:50,482 we can all expect to be here till... 1666 02:00:51,578 --> 02:00:54,695 Well, the year 2890. If we're lucky. 1667 02:00:55,582 --> 02:00:56,867 Guess we'd better get started. 1668 02:00:57,542 --> 02:00:59,453 Mrs. Johnson, is your attorney present? 1669 02:01:00,754 --> 02:01:01,754 Good morning, your honor. 1670 02:01:01,838 --> 02:01:03,044 Rob bilott for the plaintiff. 1671 02:01:03,798 --> 02:01:05,880 Oh, still here, huh? 1672 02:01:06,843 --> 02:01:07,843 Still here. 126947

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