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Hello?
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You were right, there's
nothing coming out.
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You sure?
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What about the other
door inside the house?
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Yeah.
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No, it's completely air tight.
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Can you find out when
the garbage was modified?
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We're checking that.
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How's Cyril?
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Cyril Golding?
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He's very poorly.
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He gave us a couple
of frights in the night.
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He can hardly breathe.
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You'll get nothing out of him.
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He was that poorly?
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I've been checking on Hinks
for a criminal record, nothing.
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Then I contacted the Regional
Force at Tunbridge Wells.
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Again, nothing criminal, but
his name came up attached
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to this case as a witness.
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Again?
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Yeah, but he was only
11 when it happened.
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I could see him under the
ice, but I couldn't break it.
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He was looking at me, and
I couldn't get to him.
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He just went back under, a
and I never saw him again.
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Ronald Hinks, December 1954.
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Is there any more of this?
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The newspaper
closed down in '55.
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Find the parents
of the dead lad.
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Track down the reporter, and
try and get hold of a copy
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of the coroner's report.
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What?
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I have been up all night.
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I can do with some sleep.
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Fine.
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Get Rivers to drive,
kip in the car.
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You all right?
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Fine.
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Milk.
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There's a word.
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Tossed.
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And I'll now have
the coffee, please.
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I couldn't breathe.
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- There's nowhere to go.
- Is it dark or light?
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It's dark.
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Can you see me there?
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I'm seeing it
through the clouds.
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I don't like the people
you're working with.
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That's because
you don't know them.
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Do you want to?
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No.
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He's watching them.
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Your friends, he can see them.
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That's impossible, Cyril.
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We've searched his house.
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We're watching every
bloody move he makes.
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He can see them.
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He's watching them.
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We go him?
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Inspector [inaudible]...
you in the garage?
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Yes?
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Can anyone see in
the garage from outside?
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There's no view
in from the outside.
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The door to the house,
there's no window in it?
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No, there's no window.
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Has there ever
been a window there?
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Yes, there is a window.
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Surveillance is showing that
the only journeys he makes are
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to work 0900 and from work
1730, and he stops [inaudible]
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Sainsbury's Way, he buys
his food by the day,
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and a local newsagents
where he buys his paper.
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He never buys a paper in the
morning, always at night.
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Now, we've got the
city engineers going
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through any archive
plans to find any bolt
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holes close to Hinks's house.
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We've interviewed the
mother of an old friend
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of Hinks, Peter Weller.
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They went to school together,
best of mates, Weller
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fell through the ice from a
boating lake, December, 1954.
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Hinks was there
when it happened.
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Mrs. Weller was far from
happy talking about Hinks.
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She still blames him
for her son's death.
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If Ronald Hanks had
to watch his friend die
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at the age of 11, it's feasible
that he or anyone could
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displace that
experience into a need
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to be with children,
wanting back
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the kind of friendship he lost.
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And then he kills them.
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Possibly.
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Am I the only one
with reservations
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about this suspect?
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No.
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What kind of reservations?
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Oh, that we're putting
everything we've got into one
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suspect.
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25 ex-offenders with form
for child related crimes were
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viewed by South Hart's
police, cross-examined
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by us and [inaudible].
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We're sticking with
Hinks because he's
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the only one moving us on.
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How?
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All we've proved is that
Hinks doesn't go anywhere.
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He doesn't do anything.
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All we know from surveillance
is that he isn't making
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contact with the victims.
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I don't understand how we can
treat him as the only suspect
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without a single scrap
of evidence, Creegan.
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I share that feeling.
Anybody else?
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Whoa.
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We only got onto Hinks
because his Volvo was parked
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near the scene of the crime.
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We only got onto the
victims in Stuttgart
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once we started checking Hinks.
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Nobody invented that connection.
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But we're under
the microscope here,
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and I'm sensing that people are
losing their footing slightly.
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I think we need to go back over
the original list of suspects
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and absolutely
convince ourselves
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that we're not misfiring.
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Sir, I think that's just
wasting time we haven't got.
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Half an hour ago, I was
made aware the parents
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of Eddie Franklin
had gone to the press
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about our performance.
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I've been called to a meeting at
the home office this afternoon.
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I thought there was a
news blackout on this?
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It's not news.
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It's no news, which as you well
know, the press seem to prefer.
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Shit.
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I'm on this with DI Kreitman.
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This is a waste of time.
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Well, the faster we waste
it, the faster we can get on.
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OK.
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The parents of the three
abducted children, Jerry
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Casper, Steven Lorde,
and Eddie Franklin,
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have criticized the way the
police are handling the case.
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The OSC, Organized and
Serial Crimes Unit,
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were called into
supervise the case,
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are accused of being too
secretive by one mother.
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We've been told nothing.
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My son's been kidnapped, and
he's out there with somebody
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who shouldn't have him.
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I don't know what
they're doing about it.
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The man in charge of the
OSC, Commander Steven Enwright
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make the following statement.
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Any clues, any information,
no matter how unimportant
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they think it may be, could
be crucial in the resolution
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of this case.
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Come on.
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Events, people, faces,
vehicles, anything that
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may have happened to those boys
prior to their disappearance,
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please contact us.
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Have you fainted since
you started treatment?
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No, I haven't.
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Have you been
suspected of any offense
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since you started treatment.
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No.
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Well, yes, once.
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Mrs. Weller?
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Yes?
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DI Creegan.
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You know one of my officers
has tried making contact?
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He has, and it's
not for discussion.
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Look.
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I think Ronald Hinks was
responsible for the abduction
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of three children.
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What do you think, Mrs. Weller?
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Hello, again.
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I racked my brains following
the television broadcast,
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and well, it worked.
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I've remembered something else.
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Do you want to follow me?
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You don't think it
was an accident, do you?
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No.
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It wasn't an accident.
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It was the latest freeze
over we'd ever had.
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It was meant to
be nearly spring.
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The lake glazed over, but
it wasn't really thick
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enough to carry a bird.
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So how can you blame him?
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He didn't call for help.
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And that doesn't
count as shock?
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He told the police
he screamed for help.
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He just watched.
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He told them he came
knocking at our door,
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which backed down to the lake
and couldn't get a reply.
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I was in the kitchen
with the door open
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when he said he was
hammering on it.
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Even his own mother
didn't believe
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him when he started crying.
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His father begged me to let
him come to the funeral,
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but there was no way on God's
earth I wanted him there.
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Hello, we need to speak
to somebody in charge
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of the kidnapping case.
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Now.
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Which park?
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Greenwich Park.
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When?
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Wednesday, December 4th.
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When?
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9 o'clock, which is, as
you already got on file,
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when I told you I was there.
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This man, this scruffy man--
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The same man you saw the day
Jerry Casper was kidnapped.
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That's right.
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You just happened to be there
when two kids were abducted
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in separate circumstances.
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I'm saying, I thought the same
man was also in both locations.
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What I'm further suggesting
is because he was carrying two
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large shopping bags
brimming with food,
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he must live close
by there, mustn't he?
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So we put 50 officers on
a ground search of the area,
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and we might eventually
come up with something
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vaguely resembling the
description you gave us.
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I'm sorry, I thought
I was being helpful.
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I'll bet you did.
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Sir, we've got something.
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This is Richard Price
and Gavin Broby,
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engineers with a TV crew.
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They were testing a satellite
link near Hinks's house
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when they picked this up.
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Is it them?
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That is definitely
Jerry Casper.
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And that's what Steven Lorde was
wearing when he went missing.
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That's the bit I
recognize from the news.
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DI Taylor's got our
man in interview one.
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He's volunteering new
information on the man
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he thinks was responsible.
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Where's Hinks?
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Took him out the
back and beat him up.
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You what?
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I sent him home.
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DI Creegan,
surveillance unit one.
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Get Hinks now.
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I've just [inaudible].
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What's happened?
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In his face, now get him.
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- We found the kids.
- Alive?
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For now.
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Where?
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We're stopped on the
wrong side of [inaudible]
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crossing on Spring Road.
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You'll have to take him.
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- We're on the way back to base.
- I thought you taking him?
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Unit three, name yourself.
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Sergeant Slater, 2142.
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I'm gonna pull your
bollocks off when I see you.
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Rivers, where are you?
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Back roads,
almost Hinks's house.
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Unit two?
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Get onto Jubilee Road, make
sure Hinks can't double back.
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What have I done?
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I don't know what I'm
supposed to have done.
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Because you're
a lying bastard.
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This is where you
were yesterday, huh?
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Yeah, this is roughly
where we were, yeah.
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But I mean, there's
no way of telling
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where we picked the signal up.
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- You didn't see it at the time?
- No.
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I only noticed when we were
going through the tapes
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at the office.
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I remember a flicker
of interference
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but that's all it was.
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00:17:21,360 --> 00:17:22,660
Hold on.
263
00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,260
I've got something.
264
00:17:28,430 --> 00:17:29,430
There it is.
265
00:17:32,830 --> 00:17:34,130
They're not moving.
266
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:35,230
They're not moving.
267
00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:39,000
Creegan!
268
00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,000
Stop him!
269
00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:41,100
Creegan!
270
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,100
Where are they,
you evil bastard?
271
00:17:57,030 --> 00:17:58,800
Please, Ronald, please?
272
00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:07,476
Hey, we've got some
numbers from the council,
273
00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:12,200
202, 212, 437, and 702,
and they're still checking.
274
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,336
Ask if there's any occupied
flats with absent tenants.
275
00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:15,160
I have.
276
00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:16,400
702 is the only one.
277
00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:20,730
Eddie?
278
00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:21,960
- Steven?
- Jerry?
279
00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:22,900
Steven?
280
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000
Jerry?
281
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:30,760
Steve!
282
00:19:43,230 --> 00:19:43,960
Right.
283
00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:45,800
We drag in another 100 officers.
284
00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:48,500
We go house to house again.
285
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,800
I want every flat searched.
286
00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,820
That's gonna take days
to get that many warrants.
287
00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:55,530
We don't get warrants.
288
00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:58,160
We knock on the door, soon
as they open it, you're in.
289
00:19:58,260 --> 00:19:59,700
No, we're now.
290
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,960
We ask, tell them as
little as possible.
291
00:20:02,060 --> 00:20:02,700
Right?
292
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,630
Yes.
293
00:20:03,730 --> 00:20:05,400
Move.
294
00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:06,700
I'll talk to Hinks.
295
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,430
Can't have much left
to hang on to now.
296
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:52,430
We know you know
where they are.
297
00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:04,960
Are they alive?
298
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:12,760
If you give them up, and
you help us get to them,
299
00:21:12,860 --> 00:21:14,430
it works in your favor
on your sentence.
300
00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:24,230
And you know perfectly well
you'll got unconditional life,
301
00:21:24,330 --> 00:21:27,260
but where you serve it, can
be a matter for discretion.
302
00:21:37,730 --> 00:21:38,730
His lawyer's here.
303
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,730
I hope you rot.
304
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:05,900
Can I do the interview?
305
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,236
- You don't touch him.
- I won't touch him.
306
00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:11,676
If you're going to
scare him, you make
307
00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:12,736
sure your ass is on that chair.
308
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:13,760
Promise me, Creegan.
309
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:33,960
Time is 501.
310
00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:37,230
This is DI Dave Creegan
accompanied by DI Susan Taylor.
311
00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:39,100
We're interviewing
Professor Ronald Hinks,
312
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,230
and he's accompanied by
his Brief Peter Lister.
313
00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:04,430
Ronald, did you abduct
Jerry Casper, Steven Lorde,
314
00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:07,530
and Eddie Franklin on
the 26, 30th of November,
315
00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:09,030
and the 4th of December?
316
00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:10,130
No.
317
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,960
You've no knowledge
of their whereabouts?
318
00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:16,060
No.
319
00:23:20,030 --> 00:23:21,976
And you had nothing to do
with the murders of Mark Fulper
320
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,230
and Christian Mann
in February 1994?
321
00:23:25,330 --> 00:23:27,030
I did not.
322
00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:27,800
Thanks.
323
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:28,700
You can go.
324
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,130
Interview terminated 502.
325
00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:32,360
What's going on?
326
00:23:32,460 --> 00:23:33,930
What
the bloody hell is going on?
327
00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:35,100
Is this some kind of joke?
328
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:50,430
Creegan?
329
00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:55,430
Creegan!
330
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,160
If you could have proved
anything, you wouldn't be here.
331
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,700
If you'd been clever,
I'd never been here at all.
332
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,960
You can't threaten
me, Creegan.
333
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:04,800
No?
334
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:06,530
What makes you so special?
335
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:07,670
You've done enough damage.
336
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,830
I'm just laughing at something
one of our psychologists said.
337
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:16,530
You're trespassing.
338
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:18,730
If you don't get
out of my house now,
339
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:21,130
I'm within my rights
to set the dog on you.
340
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:22,230
Henry.
341
00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:27,130
Good boy.
342
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,260
Good boy.
343
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:29,360
Good boy.
344
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,700
Yeah, we keep shrinks
on the payroll
345
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,460
to speculate on the
abstract mind, Professor.
346
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,060
Imagine having a job like that?
347
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,280
I want to make a phone call.
348
00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:44,960
Fine.
349
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:46,336
You're getting ready
for work thinking up
350
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,130
three abstract minds
to get sorted today.
351
00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:51,700
And if I do it by 5:00,
I can get to Sainsbury's.
352
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,160
It's a scream, isn't it?
353
00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:58,530
It's like your job,
biogenetic engineering.
354
00:26:58,630 --> 00:27:01,360
That's all thunderbirds to me.
355
00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:03,730
Go on, talk me through it.
356
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:05,360
You fed the dog,
you're having a shave,
357
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:08,960
it's a precision lifestyle,
but what are you thinking?
358
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:10,260
I need to get in earlier.
359
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,240
I've got an ear to grow
on the back of that rat.
360
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:14,760
Well, don't forget to reduce
human life to a single molecule
361
00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:16,030
at least once today.
362
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:21,376
What shape's the rest
of the world in when you
363
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,760
can pull all that off, Ronald?
364
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:27,330
Are you up there somewhere?
365
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:28,830
Where the special people live?
366
00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:31,730
The law says you've
no right to be here.
367
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:33,000
You're breaking the rules.
368
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,500
Nobody knows I'm here, Ron.
369
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,460
They all think I've gone home
sulking because we lost you.
370
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,030
And you couldn't prove I was
here even if you did your best.
371
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,430
What do you spend your money on?
372
00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:49,876
Your salary goes
into your account,
373
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,800
and you take out 500
quid a week in cash.
374
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:55,630
What are you buying
these days, Ron?
375
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:57,500
Books.
376
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,930
Of course, he's an academic.
377
00:27:59,030 --> 00:28:01,500
Books.
378
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,930
You got a Visa
card, Access card,
379
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:05,730
and you've got a
Diner's card, but you
380
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:06,830
buy your books with cash.
381
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:12,160
You spend as much on books
as I do on child maintenance.
382
00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:16,530
Did I tell you I had kids?
383
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:17,530
I'm not interested in your--
384
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:19,700
Two.
385
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Girls.
386
00:28:23,260 --> 00:28:27,400
For 500 quid a week, I
keep two houses going.
387
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:28,576
Where is your second house?
388
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,260
I beg your pardon?
389
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,860
Well, you've no garage here,
and there's no kids here.
390
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,100
They're somewhere, Ronald.
391
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,460
Look, you're in
a lot of trouble.
392
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,400
Please, let me know.
393
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:41,330
This is--
394
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:43,160
This is abduction.
395
00:28:45,730 --> 00:28:51,500
This is what being held against
your will actually feels like,
396
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,800
and you'll be happy to
know I'm not a violent man.
397
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,200
You are going nowhere.
398
00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:05,130
I want Eddie Franklin, Jerry
Casper, and Steven Lorde.
399
00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:06,230
Now.
400
00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:15,600
No wires.
401
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,030
And there's no witnesses.
402
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,100
Talk to me.
403
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:54,300
Hi I'm DI Taylor,
can I speak to Dave?
404
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,530
He's not here.
405
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:57,300
Well, did he say
what time he'd be back?
406
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Well, he didn't, no.
407
00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:00,730
He doesn't live here, you know?
408
00:30:00,830 --> 00:30:02,230
Can I see your warrant card?
409
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:07,800
We're divorced.
410
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:09,660
He's in a flat
down Stamford Road.
411
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,100
I'm sorry, I
should have checked.
412
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,030
You OK?
413
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,030
Yes, sorry to
have bothered you.
414
00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:17,090
If he calls, I'll tell
him you're looking for him.
415
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,360
You're getting ready for work.
416
00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:32,500
You're having a shave.
417
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,330
What are you thinking?
418
00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:39,000
This person dies, or that
person suffers, it's down to me?
419
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,830
Or the world looks awful?
420
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:44,000
And you've done
nothing to protect it,
421
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,660
when your job is by
definition protection.
422
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,600
Is that on your conscience?
423
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:52,560
I've learned to
avoid that trap.
424
00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:54,930
Then you're kidding yourself.
425
00:30:55,030 --> 00:30:59,860
The hallmarks of your job and
mine are virtually identical.
426
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,900
We learn by failure.
427
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,960
We're both at the
mercy of evidence.
428
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:12,230
Mark Fulper and Christian
Mann died because you failed?
429
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:17,500
No.
430
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,040
You were 11 when
your best mate died.
431
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:23,860
When you watched him die.
432
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,430
You could have helped
him, couldn't you?
433
00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:33,900
You were less than two minutes
walk from the nearest house,
434
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,800
but you didn't walk.
435
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,430
You didn't run.
436
00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:41,100
Nobody heard you screaming.
437
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,700
I bet you can't
even remember why
438
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,260
you killed your best
friend, just that you could,
439
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,900
so you did.
440
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,960
And you got away with it.
441
00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,176
And that was your first taste
of a totally unique power
442
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,800
that nobody but people
like you really want.
443
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,260
Do they live?
444
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Do they die?
445
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:14,300
If these people died, surely
they died because you failed.
446
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:16,900
Your people.
447
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Because nobody stopped you?
448
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,830
Oh, come on, Ron,
you're a big lad.
449
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:23,136
If you didn't know
that was wrong,
450
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,400
how come I'm here
having to play games?
451
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:26,560
Your game.
452
00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:28,060
In your position,
I'd be very angry
453
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,460
if I was involved in a game
I didn't know the rules of.
454
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:37,760
Listen to me, you freak,
I don't want to hear
455
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:40,700
why people think you did it.
456
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,400
They'll call you
all sorts in court,
457
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:48,260
social this, emotionally psycho
that, but you're not, Ronald.
458
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,730
You're as sane now as you
were the day you were born.
459
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,630
You were born a sick,
twisted bastard.
460
00:32:57,730 --> 00:32:59,700
Some people are.
461
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,960
That's all there is to it.
462
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:05,960
Where's the pride in winning a
game you wrote the rules for?
463
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:14,800
Your biggest
achievement in 50 years
464
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:16,360
is over powering children.
465
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,160
How in God's name could a
normal person be proud of that?
466
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:25,500
I'm not in charge
of this game.
467
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:32,060
Voices?
468
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,760
You're going to go
for voices in court?
469
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:38,000
Screw yourself, Hinks,
you've not a chance.
470
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:39,336
The only voices
you'll be hearing
471
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,760
are the parents wanting
you dead, you sick,
472
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:44,060
twisted bastard.
473
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,476
I don't think
you're in a position
474
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:46,960
to judge anyone objectively.
475
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:51,230
10 minutes ago, you were telling
me you weren't a violent man.
476
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,030
Henry!
477
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:15,360
Henry!
478
00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:18,300
Henry, good boy.
479
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,560
Here, boy.
480
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,560
Come here.
481
00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:27,530
Henry!
482
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:28,630
Come here.
483
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:29,730
Henry!
484
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:14,930
Come on, Henry, you show me.
485
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Steven?
486
00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:32,300
Eddie?
487
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,400
Eddie?
488
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,100
Green little
men in a flying saucer
489
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
flew around the world one day.
490
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:29,260
He looked left and right,
he didn't like the sight,
491
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,400
so one man flew away.
492
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:34,660
Zoom.
493
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,100
Two little men in
a flying saucer.
494
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:49,130
Is that all you
remember, Eddie?
495
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:50,730
Didn't see anything?
496
00:39:50,830 --> 00:39:52,630
Didn't hear anything?
497
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:56,330
Just a sharp pain, like
an injection in my leg.
498
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:02,400
You said he pulled your hair.
499
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:03,330
Not then.
500
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:05,260
I wasn't really awake.
501
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:11,500
My hair was being pulled, not
real pulled, like if you know,
502
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,460
you put sealing tape
on and rip it off?
503
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,360
Yeah?
504
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:19,460
Yeah.
505
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,460
I bet that felt really weird?
506
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,760
Yeah.
507
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:27,000
Could you see who
was doing that, Eddie?
508
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,900
If I showed you some
pictures do you think you
509
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,860
might recognize one of them?
510
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,700
If you really concentrate.
511
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:38,130
No.
512
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:45,860
He
looked left and right
513
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,660
but he didn't like the sight.
514
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,500
One little man flew away.
515
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,430
Zoom.
516
00:40:53,530 --> 00:40:54,530
He is guilty.
517
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,406
The only way we knew about
Mark Fulper and Christian Mann
518
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:01,330
was because of the
calling cards, the shoes.
519
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,960
The only way we found victims
was because of Ronald Hinks's
520
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,060
work records, and the only
reason we knew about him
521
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:12,500
was because his car was in--
522
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:19,530
his very distinctive bloody car
was at [inaudible] abducted.
523
00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:22,160
Circumstantial.
524
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:23,560
His dog.
525
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:27,060
His own bloody dog led us to
the last three victims, sir.
526
00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:32,730
Look, Hinks has more
grounds for harassment
527
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:34,730
than we have for conviction.
528
00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:36,530
A dog knew exactly
where it was going.
529
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:38,530
It was following
its owner's scent.
530
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:39,976
With the greatest
respect, we can't
531
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,360
put a dog in the witness
box, and if we could,
532
00:41:42,460 --> 00:41:43,700
it's circumstantial.
533
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,660
[inaudible] bloody
washes, to you know that?
534
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,100
Creegan.
535
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,560
You couldn't make shit
stuck to a bunion, you tosser.
536
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:50,836
Creegan, that's
not how we do this.
537
00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:51,860
Just sit down.
538
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Sit down!
539
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,800
Continue.
540
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,460
He looked
left and right,
541
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
and quite liked the sight.
542
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,900
Thought
he might stay.
543
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,760
I'm sorry, it's so late.
544
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:39,200
I, uh, I didn't know
where else to go.
545
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:43,060
I'm glad you came here.
546
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,460
Ta, Barry.
547
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:50,960
If it wasn't past
closing, I'd be
548
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:53,460
out buying you champagne, Dave.
549
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,560
Cheers.
550
00:42:57,830 --> 00:42:59,330
Can I stay?
551
00:42:59,430 --> 00:43:01,200
Sure.
552
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:05,000
I'll make the sofa up.
553
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,330
Well done.
554
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:09,430
You're a hero.
555
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:10,530
Again.
556
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,330
You're not suggesting
that Kessler will sustain
557
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:21,200
defense for a freak like Hinks?
558
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:22,560
He's a geneticist.
559
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:26,260
I know they're not 10 a penny,
but he can't be that gifted.
560
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,800
Kessler's worth billions.
561
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:29,900
If Hinks goes down,
their name goes with it.
562
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,900
They'll spend what they need
to represent his innocence.
563
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,830
If they win, their
loyalty pays off.
564
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:38,530
If they lose, they're sunk.
565
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:41,530
They will not lose.
566
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:43,300
You're giving us
nothing to fight with.
567
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,400
They've applied for the
release of his passport.
568
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,400
It's just going to be
back to square one as far
569
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:49,700
as Hinks is concerned.
570
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,000
He will do it again.
571
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:58,460
The parents of three
abducted children
572
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,230
are calling their
rescue a miracle,
573
00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:02,960
and they're praising the
policeman who saved them.
574
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:05,100
They say Detective
Inspector David Creegan
575
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,330
from the Organized
and Serial Crimes Unit
576
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:09,430
should receive a commendation.
577
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:13,760
We'd all just like to
say thank you for bringing
578
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:16,230
our kids back safe and sound.
579
00:44:16,330 --> 00:44:18,560
The police seemed to
be no closer to charging
580
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:19,730
anyone with the offense.
581
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:47,430
Hey, are you all right?
582
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:48,530
Dave?
583
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:08,830
Hi.
584
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:10,106
Sorry, I'm not in,
but if you'll leave
585
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:11,960
your name, number,
and time you called,
586
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:14,030
I'll get back to you
as soon as I can.
587
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,030
Creegan, just ring
me, you selfish bastard.
588
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,000
Corrected by 7kozlov
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