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- Hey Laszlo this is Vilmos.
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* Happy birthday to you
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* Happy birthday to you
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* Happy birthday dear Laszlo
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* Happy birthday to you
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- Hey Julie Christie called
to wish you happy birthday
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so I'm telling
you okay, alright.
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- And Sandra Bullock also.
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Also Peter Fonda,
and Dennis Hopper.
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Who, no Dennis Hopper?
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- I remember there was a
party sequence at the house
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where I come down on a
cable down into the party
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to arrive at the party
and it's just a shot
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in the picture which becomes
part of the action later.
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- In Five Easy Pieces I said
I don't want the camera ever
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to move when it's outdoors.
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It was a still
picture and then you
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would cut to another
shot over here
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and he'd get up and
walk into that frame.
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Only for the exteriors.
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For the interiors
everything was in movement.
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One point in turned
to Laszlo I said
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you move the camera
and I see you do it,
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you lose a finger.
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And no he didn't
appreciate that.
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- You think about movies
like Close Encounters
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and you think about that light
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coming out of that space ship.
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I mean sure everybody
goes oh yeah
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of course there's light
coming out of a space ship
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and of course the aliens
came off the space ship.
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But you think about the
way that it impressed you,
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I believe now and
always there are aliens
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and there are space ships and
that's what they look like.
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- I thought if we shot
it in color it would be,
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everybody'd look to pretty,
everything would look
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to pretty and I didn't
think we'd be able
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to achieve the
depression very well.
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And I said look I
want everything sharp,
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everything sharp from
here see those kids
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in the yard way back
there I want them sharp.
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And we used filters
a lot of the time,
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green or red filters to
strengthen the contrast.
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- And I can remember when
deliverance came to town.
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My mother actually let
me go see deliverance
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and it struck me
about the colors
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and the way the blues and
greens played within that film.
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- The thing that was
unique about Long Goodbye
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as far as Bob's and
Vilmos's relationship was
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that they decided they would
always move the camera.
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* Do you recognize the theme
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I'm gonna go over
there and tell those girls
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they're gonna catch a
cold.
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Or as the grand cat goes, meow.
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- I knew the name after awhile,
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after I was in the
business for awhile.
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But not until we were
actually looking for DP's
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did I go back and say
who did this film?
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Who did this film,
and who did this film?
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And I realized two out
of the three were Laszlo.
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It was Easy Rider and
it was Paper Moon.
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- And I remember we used to go
to these mountain locations.
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It would be John Boorman and
Vilmos, and it was me too.
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And we'd climb up in
to these mountain areas
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and the light would
just be starting
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to come up over the mountains
and Vilmos would say,
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and he would say this
almost every day.
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Why we are not shooting?
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- I've seen 1000 pictures
shot in Los Angeles,
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and 1000 pictures
shot in Chicago,
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and they all look alike to
me, but when Laszlo shoots
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they look like Chicago
and Los Angeles.
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- My mother had a girlfriend
who was running a little
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corner store and also
the weekend cinema
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which was consisted in a
school, the auditorium.
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My job was to spread
the flyers out,
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you know what the next
program is going to be,
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and my mother said that
I can come in free.
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I was about 11 or 12 years old.
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I didn't know much
about the world.
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It was just a little village,
a very simple education.
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I was sitting in
the very front row
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and I could hardly wait
until the light goes down
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and suddenly you
see that rectangular
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and something is whirling there.
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I took a deep breath always.
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Now I'm gonna see the
world through this
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rectangular frame I
can see everywhere.
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- I remember that we were living
under the communist system
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and I could not even
go to Czechoslovakia
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to visit my mother
who was living there.
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And I hadn't seen her for
that time in 25 years.
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And for us to travel in those
days was not possible because
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the communist system
thought that if you
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leave the country you
will never come back.
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- I discovered that there was
a film school in Budapest.
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3000 applicants in
that year for just
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the cinematography
alone and I made it.
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Just a dream came true you know.
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Almost I didn't know
whether I'm dreaming or not.
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- I wanted to go to
college and I realized
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that they wouldn't accept
me because my parents
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were not really
accepted by the regime.
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So then it came to
me this idea that
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yeah I will teach
them photography
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and the party sector
really was very happy
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because never happened
before that somebody
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would teach photography
for the working class.
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- Briefly I met
Vilmos because he was
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in that class and
he was involved with
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the selection of
the next film class.
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It was fate they call it.
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Like the
fate was telling us
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that we have to be
together for 50 years
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and working together
basically you know.
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- It wasn't a bad time you
know, nobody complains.
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- Their trip from
Hungary is world famous
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within our industry
and their relationship
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'Cause I mean these
are two brothers,
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strange last names and
different last names.
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This
is Hungary calling.
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This is Hungary calling.
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The last remaining stating
forward to the United Nations
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Early this morning
the Soviet troops
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launched a general
attack on Hungary.
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We are requesting you to
send us immediate aide.
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For the sake of God and
freedom help Hungary.
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- You have the same
routine, turn on the radio,
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and shower and all that stuff.
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I turn on the radio and
it's quiet you know.
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I hit it, maybe
it's not working.
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There was no broadcast.
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- Well we wanted actually
to get a delegation
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brought to the radio
station and read
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the declaration of this
revolution, what's happening.
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The radio station
was controlled by
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the AVO which was
the secret police.
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They were actually
up in the rooftops
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and started to shoot at the
demonstrators in the street.
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And then people
started to run away
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and then some people of course
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died right there in the street.
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And then that's when basically
the revolution started.
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- People we're mad at
these guys 'cause that was
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the center of the
area and they were
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shooting at people from
up from the fifth floor
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and they're killing
people from the building.
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And then finally they
attacked the building,
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they caught those guys
and they lynched them
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and then hanged
them up on the tree.
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Which was a sad
thing for us because
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our revolution was
really very clean
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and we didn't want
to kill anyone
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without putting
them into the court.
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But this was something you
could not control the people.
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The were so angry they
could not believe these guys
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because they killed so
many people in the square.
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- And one morning
again we're standing
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on a corner of the film
school and the main avenue,
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and the Russian
tanks were coming
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back and forth and
firing everywhere.
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We looked at each other
and he said let's go.
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And we knew exactly
what he meant.
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We went up to the camera
department of film school
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got an Arriflex loaded up
we buried in a shopping bag.
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And we started
walking the streets.
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- They all think it was
shot by Laszlo and Vilmos.
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They were about 25
cameramen working on this.
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- Whoever took these films
like the freedom fighters
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they photographed risked their
lives to compile this record.
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- When we were
shooting the movie
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we didn't realize that
we could have been shot
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right there in
the street because
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they killed people
right and left
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just because they
were doing stills.
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- Camera was considered
a weapon by the Russians.
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They shot you on the spot.
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- In those instances they
could have been really
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got shot and who knows
what to do with us.
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But at that time we were a
little bit more courageous then
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we should have been probably but
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we were lucky nobody caught us.
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- There was one shot,
a medic is running into
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the firing line and there
was a wounded person.
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And just as he almost got behind
a tank, the medic got shot.
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He was killed right there but
he saved the wounded person.
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- I feel naturally the
areas where we saw some
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freedom fighters dead on
the street from that event,
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and there was this Hungarian
flag with a hole in it.
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The hole was because
the people cut out
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the hammer and sickle which
was symbol of communism.
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That flag was in a way that I
could shoot through the hole
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and see the freedom
fighters face through that
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which became a symbol basically.
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- The big question was what
do we do with the film?
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- I just over waiting for
the knocking on the door.
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And then somebody would
come and take us away
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or something like
that and that was,
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that's when we
had to think a lot
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what we should do
with our lives now.
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- I mean it's okay
if we leave you know.
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But we didn't want to
leave the film behind.
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- I finally went up to my
teacher Elaus, a good man
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he was always happy
everybody, and he said
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you know what I think you're
right, I think you're right.
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I absolutely think that you
are making the right choice.
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I don't think that I would
even try to go alone myself.
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I don't know anybody who
tried to go by himself.
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- So we left off the next day,
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walking and carrying the film.
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It was the most incredible
sight I'm never gonna forget it.
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It was a plowed field but
frozen, very hard to walk on it,
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and very heavy fog
but you could see
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from the right to all
the way to the left
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little tiny figures
going the same direction.
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They all was going to
the Austrian border.
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The image itself, it haunts me
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and follows me the
rest of my life.
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We finally got into this
canal inside the levy
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and there was hundreds
of people lined up.
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About 300 yards or
something like this
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about six or eight
Russian soldiers just
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jump us on a bridge, they
start yelling and waving
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the submachine gun
shooting at the air.
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- Some people tried to run
away and then next remember.
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And we are still marching
towards the soldiers there.
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- We still had the film with us.
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- We didn't want them
to catch the film
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because they will
kill us right there.
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- The men they were
lined up on a dirt road.
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A Russian officer comes and
he's body searching everybody.
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So the officer's getting
closer and my hand is up,
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Vilmos' hand is up and
I said Vilmos the film.
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And he said what film?
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I have a negative, those 35
still pictures are rolled up.
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It's in my ski pants you know.
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And he said oh my God
I forgot, you're crazy
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and he starts arguing
and cussing me
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and the officer's over
there, typical Vilmos.
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I said we can be shot here
but he's still cussing me out.
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And I'm soaking
wet by this time.
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So Vilmos had a plastic watch,
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you could see
inside the movement.
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And also an Omega
watch which was given
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to him by his father
on graduation.
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And he pulls his Omega
watch and he said,
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and he shoves it
my hand and said
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you take it you give it to him.
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- But it was a stop watch and
it looked a little bit old
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so it was almost like it had--
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- The crystal was
a little scratched.
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- And then he said (speaking
in foreign language)
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not good, give it to me back.
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Then he let us go.
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- We knew the boat it was
about three miles away.
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So with all the
heavy baggages on
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we determined on and
we started to run.
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- It suddenly got
to me you know,
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and it got to all of us that
we're leaving the country
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and probably maybe
never come back again.
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I leaned down and I
got a handful of dirt
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and put it in my pocket
I said this is my country
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this is what I have,
and I had that dirt
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for many many years in
that same old rain coat.
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- When you're making film as
if your life depends on it,
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and it does depend
on it as Vilmos did.
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When you think about
what he did and Laszlo
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coming out of a
country with footage
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that could them
killed and tortured
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and all the kinds
of nasty things
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that those people
did then and now
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then almost everything
else for them
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I guess was a form
of art because
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they'd done with the politics.
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- Vilmos ended up in East Coast.
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I ended up upper state New York
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in a maple syrup
forest working there.
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And I said if this is
America I don't want it.
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I mean this is worse
than communism.
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It's tough like I
was in a labor camp.
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It was very clear as long as
we are out of our country,
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can't go back, let's
just go Hollywood.
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- To the state of dreams.
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- First we needed
to okay make a list.
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We have to join the union,
we have to join the ASC,
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we have to join the Academy,
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and all these things
in order to get jobs.
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So we started with
the union and the guy
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looks at us and
drops his feet down
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and stands up, a
huge guy and said
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you know what come back
when you speak English.
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- And they really thought
they were gonna meet
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one of their heroes
like Gregg Toland
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who was Orson Wells
cinematographer on Citizen Cane.
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Two of those guys
walked up to the
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ASE club house for
the first time.
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And here's these two
guys with long hair.
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- He's look inside,
totally dark you know,
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and suddenly this voice comes.
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May I help you?
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My God.
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- And here you just
asked them to leave
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the ASE club house which was
like a castle to these guys.
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They go up there
and want to meet
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all their people they
been reading about,
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these books and magazines, I
mean what a shock that was.
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- So okay Vilmos no
union, no this, no that.
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We have to get to work somehow.
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Our first job was
picking up trash in the park.
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- Walking with a
bag on our shoulder
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and we're picking
up trash and paper.
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Well I just say that
wasn't very good either.
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- We've done all kinds of jobs.
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Baby photography,
and occasionally
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we got something
which was closer.
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- We did whatever we
had to do the two of us,
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you know a little nudie cuties.
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Horror
pictures, they got into
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some of the like
the zombie stuff.
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Their crew?
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They didn't have any crew
they just had the two of them.
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You know one time
Vilmos would be the DP
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and the Laszlo'd
be the electrician
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and the grip and
everything and then
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they'd switch off and do that.
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If you looked at what they
had in their station wagon
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they were the crew,
to me at that age
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it looked like a
bunch of gypsies.
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- They learned so
much from each other.
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I've done interviews with
Laszlo and Vilmos together.
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And none of them ever
finished a sentence.
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Laszlo would start talking about
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something Vilmos did
that was wonderful
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00:19:06,112 --> 00:19:07,880
and Vilmos would
interrupt him and tell me
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how wonderful Laszlo
is at what he did.
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- Gosh they were great.
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I knew them as Willy and Leslie.
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I'm talking about Vilmos
Zsigmond and Laszlo Kovacs.
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But when I knew them they
were Willy and Leslie.
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The Incredibly Strange Creatures
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Who Stopped Living and
Became Mixed-up Zombies.
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When I made this
movie I had to have
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Vilmos Zsigmond on it, there
was no doubt in my mind
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because we both were into faces,
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portrait photography, all
kinds of odd angles and stuff.
346
00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:54,227
- I called those movies
basically not a low budget
347
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but a no budget film basically.
348
00:19:57,096 --> 00:19:59,299
- Then I put Willy
on ice skates.
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He said he could
skate a little bit.
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- And I cannot
stand on the skates.
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I mean it's not even
skating I can't stand on it.
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00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:08,275
So then they said
alright that's okay,
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just hold camera and we
will push you around.
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00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,413
- And I put a rope to him,
355
00:20:13,413 --> 00:20:17,183
and tied the two
actors with the rope.
356
00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:21,053
And when we did all the flares
came from the spotlight.
357
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,589
And Willy says there's
too many flares,
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there's too many flares.
359
00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:25,792
And that's when I
made a remark I says
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Willy those flares will win
you an Academy Award sometime.
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And I said to Willy I said we're
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gonna need another
camera operator,
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so he said I'll bring
my friend Leslie.
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Then I remembered seeing this
guy over there in the corner
365
00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,609
and everywhere he
went there were girls.
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00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:43,876
I mean it was amazing.
367
00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:45,545
- Laszlo is very
good looking guy.
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00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:48,648
Sure Laszlo was
always a charming guy
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00:20:49,782 --> 00:20:51,418
and everybody
loved him you know.
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00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,420
- I want you to make
sure Laszlo that you get
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this nice two and three shots
of the girls all the time.
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He says I come from Hungary
we don't miss the shot.
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We miss the shot we get shot.
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00:21:02,228 --> 00:21:04,431
- They were illegitimate.
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They were living on the
outside of the studio system,
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00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:12,038
on the outside of
the conventional
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00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:14,607
movie making process and limit.
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00:21:18,811 --> 00:21:19,646
- Johnny!
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- They seemed to be
more adventurous to me
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and to my partners and
to my fellow workers
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00:21:36,262 --> 00:21:38,531
in temperament than
what you would have
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00:21:38,531 --> 00:21:42,702
expected to find on the
lots working at the studios.
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00:21:46,005 --> 00:21:50,777
- In '66 I was working
in picture after picture,
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00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,545
you know all these
low budget films.
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00:21:52,545 --> 00:21:56,749
And we working with this Paul
Lewison, production manager.
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00:21:56,749 --> 00:21:58,385
And Paul called
me one day he said
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00:21:58,385 --> 00:22:01,788
there's this young film
critic from New York.
388
00:22:03,189 --> 00:22:06,258
- Come on in I was just watching
a relic I had a hand in.
389
00:22:06,258 --> 00:22:08,661
- Who is going to
do his fist feature.
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00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:11,330
And he's look for just like you,
391
00:22:13,199 --> 00:22:16,536
cheap, fast, you know
all the qualities.
392
00:22:17,904 --> 00:22:19,338
- Roger Corman
said well we have a
393
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,174
very good guy named
Leslie Kovacs.
394
00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:26,446
He just did The Girl
in the Invisible Bikini
395
00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:29,015
for us and he's very good.
396
00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,418
I just liked him right away,
he was really good looking,
397
00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:35,588
smart and fun to talk with,
I liked everything about him.
398
00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:38,357
I said that's not your
real name Leslie is it?
399
00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:42,529
He said no, my name is Laszlo
but I changed it for American.
400
00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,032
Laszlo Kovacs I mean
that's a great name.
401
00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:49,268
He said yeah but
when I make a picture
402
00:22:49,268 --> 00:22:51,938
I'm proud of I use my real name.
403
00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:55,207
We shot things in
Targets you're just
404
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:58,077
not allowed to do at
all, we just did it.
405
00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,312
We shot in the freeway,
we shot on the freeway,
406
00:23:00,312 --> 00:23:02,649
we shot at the freeway,
you're not allowed to that.
407
00:23:02,649 --> 00:23:04,851
It's all against the law.
408
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:12,158
Boris played a horror
movie star who's retiring
409
00:23:12,158 --> 00:23:15,662
because his kind of
Victorian horror isn't
410
00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:21,100
horrible enough anymore, as
opposed to the real horror
411
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,704
of this kid in Texas
who, all American boy
412
00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,272
who went and killed everybody.
413
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:38,651
- When the picture was over
Danny arranged a screening
414
00:23:38,651 --> 00:23:41,488
and everybody in young
Hollywood was there,
415
00:23:41,488 --> 00:23:45,057
Dennis Hopper, Peter
Fonda, Jack Nicholson.
416
00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:49,095
We ran the picture and not
a sound during the picture.
417
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,030
When it was over
nobody said anything,
418
00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,633
nobody came over to me,
nobody said anything.
419
00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:56,035
Nobody said shit, good, nothing.
420
00:23:56,035 --> 00:23:58,905
Except Jack Nicholson came
over sat down next to me
421
00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:02,041
and says good picture
Bags, he called me Bags.
422
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:05,211
He said how'd you do it
and so on, he was terrific.
423
00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:07,446
- It's alright.
424
00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,582
- Gonna clean up, is
this the new script?
425
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:11,518
- Nevertheless came
to make Easy Rider
426
00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:14,687
which was made
shortly after that.
427
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,789
They hired my entire crew.
428
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,525
- And the real Hollywood release
429
00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:22,094
was coming at me in
the shape of another
430
00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:25,164
motorcycle picture
called Easy Rider.
431
00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:31,237
- Peter and I decided we wanted
to make a movie together.
432
00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:32,839
He wanted to produce
a movie I was gonna,
433
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,008
he want me to direct and we
both wanted to act in it.
434
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,244
- Come on it's check out time.
435
00:24:38,244 --> 00:24:39,078
Hey Billy.
436
00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:42,448
- Oh man don't do that.
437
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:48,187
- Think we have already
done enough bike movies.
438
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,656
You need one more?
439
00:24:49,656 --> 00:24:51,390
- And we saw a
whole bunch of films
440
00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:55,194
that Laszlo had shot,
and they were great.
441
00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:58,898
Exactly the kind
of stuff we wanted.
442
00:24:58,898 --> 00:25:02,735
- His talent was somewhat
unproven and immense.
443
00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:06,806
That there wasn't an opportunity
444
00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:10,476
for him to show it
in his other movies.
445
00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,111
But we knew that he could do it.
446
00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:15,582
- So you hear all this racket
going down the hallway.
447
00:25:15,582 --> 00:25:18,918
And it's obviously
Dennis is carrying on
448
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,089
yelling and all that
stuff and the surprise
449
00:25:23,089 --> 00:25:25,825
is that he's already
in full wardrobe.
450
00:25:25,825 --> 00:25:28,761
And he had a roll of
paper under his arm
451
00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:31,931
and he grabs it and
throws it up in the air.
452
00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:35,134
So all the pages
like snow flakes.
453
00:25:35,134 --> 00:25:38,270
And I said this many is crazy.
454
00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:41,407
- And Dennis was extraordinary.
455
00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:45,945
You could he say he
optimized the era emotionally
456
00:25:45,945 --> 00:25:50,116
because he was going to
get the truth of that time.
457
00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:53,653
- We wanted to talk
about the politics
458
00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:57,089
of individuals and
the bigotry in racism.
459
00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:00,259
- So I also saw
it as a commentary
460
00:26:00,259 --> 00:26:02,862
on what was going on in
the country at the time.
461
00:26:02,862 --> 00:26:03,896
The younger generation
462
00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:05,765
was getting eaten up by Vietnam.
463
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:07,233
I mean it was a terrible thing.
464
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:08,334
- Chances are you'd never seen
465
00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:10,536
anything quite like Easy Rider.
466
00:26:10,536 --> 00:26:13,940
America had not seen a
film like Easy Rider.
467
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:16,709
- I thought I have
to do this picture.
468
00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:18,878
I would be crazy not to.
469
00:26:18,878 --> 00:26:21,113
- We just hit it off.
470
00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,850
He was the best telephoto
operator I've ever seen.
471
00:26:23,850 --> 00:26:25,051
There's no question about it.
472
00:26:25,051 --> 00:26:28,688
The things he did
were just sensational.
473
00:26:28,688 --> 00:26:32,458
Our camera car was a
'68 Chevy convertible
474
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:35,695
with the back seat out
and a pine wood floor.
475
00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:38,998
We would put some sand
bags in the back and then--
476
00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:43,703
- Put an area on a high
hat and a 10 to one zoom,
477
00:26:43,703 --> 00:26:46,806
and a sandbag and
that was my weapon.
478
00:26:46,806 --> 00:26:50,409
- From that he did all
of his telephoto work
479
00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:54,580
off the wheels up and around
on Jack and Peter and myself.
480
00:26:57,016 --> 00:27:01,520
- And Laszlo was able to
give us a sense of freedom
481
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,791
being able to be on
the road to be able to
482
00:27:04,791 --> 00:27:07,426
experience America
for the first time.
483
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:10,462
And I really felt like I
was experiencing America
484
00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,832
like he was
experiencing America.
485
00:27:12,832 --> 00:27:16,836
And he was able to be
that metaphor for freedom.
486
00:27:18,604 --> 00:27:21,073
- The rainbow color
just coming down
487
00:27:21,073 --> 00:27:25,244
like heroes it sort of
romanticized the character.
488
00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:31,317
I could start on the
sun and lock on a beam
489
00:27:32,584 --> 00:27:35,121
and bring it into the characters
490
00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:39,759
and let the sun, and the beam
was there, the split beam.
491
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:41,327
It was beautiful you know.
492
00:27:41,327 --> 00:27:43,329
- Easy Rider was
very innovative.
493
00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,966
It was carefully made
in an uncareful way.
494
00:27:46,966 --> 00:27:50,837
- The movie was a
shock in many ways.
495
00:27:50,837 --> 00:27:53,873
They were used to
seeing Dors Day kind of
496
00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:57,609
knowing where the camera
was and in that sense
497
00:27:57,609 --> 00:28:01,814
we know where the camera
is 'cause she's this.
498
00:28:01,814 --> 00:28:03,449
And there's the camera,
there's he pink lips
499
00:28:03,449 --> 00:28:07,653
and her little hair you know
what I mean, pillow talk?
500
00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:08,721
- We blew it.
501
00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:14,260
- And Billy says but I thought
that's what it was all about,
502
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:18,097
get rich and retire in
Florida, and like you know,
503
00:28:18,097 --> 00:28:20,366
then he said no we blew it.
504
00:28:22,568 --> 00:28:24,636
Good night man.
505
00:28:25,972 --> 00:28:28,107
- Matter of fact that 20 minutes
506
00:28:28,107 --> 00:28:31,443
from the cafe to the
time they kill him,
507
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:37,083
it's one unit and that's
when the core of the film is.
508
00:28:50,429 --> 00:28:54,600
- Then when that camera
move pulled up abruptly it
509
00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:58,204
was congruent with what might be
510
00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:01,841
many peoples
experience in death.
511
00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:03,675
- What a dangerous
like to do that because
512
00:29:03,675 --> 00:29:05,244
I didn't have the
right helicopter.
513
00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:07,013
I had a Mickey Mouse
little helicopter
514
00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:10,649
which would not take more
than one person and a camera.
515
00:29:10,649 --> 00:29:13,719
I mean it was very unsafe
the way Laszlo did that then
516
00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:16,722
but luckily he
survived another one.
517
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:19,425
- And think God he
did 'cause he got this
518
00:29:19,425 --> 00:29:23,762
shot that makes the movie
sing through the history.
519
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:26,065
- And all the money's
in the gas tank
520
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:27,867
which blows up on
the side of the road,
521
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:31,871
which is hopefully not
totally a prophecy.
522
00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:34,106
- They were at the forefront of
523
00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:37,977
the change in film making
from the studio system
524
00:29:37,977 --> 00:29:40,246
to the independent
system and then maybe now
525
00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:42,081
back to the studio
system frankly.
526
00:29:42,081 --> 00:29:46,218
- In the mid '60's
Bert Schneider and
I formed a company.
527
00:29:46,218 --> 00:29:47,920
And the intent of
the company was
528
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,189
to make independent movies.
529
00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,360
We questioned why it
was that there was
530
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,997
an in independent movement
in so many other countries
531
00:29:57,997 --> 00:30:00,199
like Italy, the new Vaudeville,
532
00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:02,902
like the French,
like the English,
533
00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:05,304
and yet we didn't have that
movement here in America.
534
00:30:05,304 --> 00:30:08,307
So the group, it
was a natural place
535
00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:12,211
for the Hungarians to gravitate.
536
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,848
- I don't know if anybody
ever coined a name for it
537
00:30:15,848 --> 00:30:18,484
but you could call it
the American new way
538
00:30:21,453 --> 00:30:24,090
* With their hair in
ribbons and legs in tights
539
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,225
* Hooray for Hollywood
540
00:30:35,134 --> 00:30:36,535
- I was able to come up and get
541
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:38,837
the money to shoot
The Hired Hand.
542
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:42,441
I need a good cinematographer
whoa, Leslie/Laszlo.
543
00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:46,012
Now is now longer
Leslie/Laszlo, is Laszlo.
544
00:30:46,012 --> 00:30:49,882
And Peter I'm sorry I'm
shooting Alex in Wonderland
545
00:30:49,882 --> 00:30:52,718
for Paul Mazursky,
and I can't do it.
546
00:30:52,718 --> 00:30:54,921
But you remember that guy
who used to come with me
547
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,256
to see the dailies, he
had the little beard.
548
00:30:57,256 --> 00:30:58,790
I said yeah.
549
00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:03,029
Well that's my mentor,
his name is Bill Zsigmond
550
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:06,598
but you can call him Ziggy
and I recommend him highly.
551
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:10,769
And if Laszlo's going to
be recommending it, I'm in.
552
00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:16,308
On one of those drives back
I was talking to Vilmos
553
00:31:16,308 --> 00:31:19,278
about the next day's
shoot and about the shot
554
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:22,181
and what it means to
me, it's a metaphor.
555
00:31:22,181 --> 00:31:24,783
Oh Jesus Christ Peter
don't need no metaphor,
556
00:31:24,783 --> 00:31:26,518
just where you want
put the camera.
557
00:31:26,518 --> 00:31:29,121
And I went on about it being
the metaphor and allegory.
558
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:30,456
I don't need to
know about allegory,
559
00:31:30,456 --> 00:31:31,657
where to put the camera.
560
00:31:31,657 --> 00:31:32,925
And I was back
and forth with him
561
00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:35,361
and I said Vilmos
what'd you do with
562
00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:37,964
the other directors
you've worked with?
563
00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:39,765
What other directors?
564
00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:41,633
And I locked up all four wheels
565
00:31:41,633 --> 00:31:43,135
and the smoke of the tires just
566
00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:45,404
filled up the cab
of this Blazer.
567
00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:47,373
This is my first
outdoor color film.
568
00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:50,642
I thought well this is far out.
569
00:31:53,312 --> 00:31:55,247
- It was the tale end
of the studio system.
570
00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:57,883
But there was a great
feeling of independence and
571
00:31:57,883 --> 00:32:02,421
that small budget movies being
made outside of the studio,
572
00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:07,193
and this is where Laszlo and
Vilmos sort of took the lead.
573
00:32:07,193 --> 00:32:11,230
- I always worked on projects
which had to be real.
574
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:15,401
Real locations with real
people, believable acting.
575
00:32:17,869 --> 00:32:21,140
Nowadays we call
this poetic reality.
576
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:23,275
- Somebody please help, stop!
577
00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:25,844
Help us, help up please!
578
00:32:25,844 --> 00:32:28,981
- Like the painters used to
do you know the Rembrandt,
579
00:32:28,981 --> 00:32:33,152
Caravaggio, the Dutch
masters, Georges de La Tour.
580
00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:39,191
I mean they are really real but
it's almost like super real.
581
00:32:44,696 --> 00:32:47,033
- Harkens back to
that original training
582
00:32:47,033 --> 00:32:49,035
of shooting real things.
583
00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:53,139
We look now at what's
supposedly reality television
584
00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:56,975
and it's such bullshit, there's
nothing real about that.
585
00:32:56,975 --> 00:33:00,579
- I think there is probably
a 50/50 proposition
586
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:03,349
in terms of who's getting
across to the audience
587
00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:06,685
what's going on I think
the actor provides 50%
588
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:09,321
but without the
correct camera angle,
589
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:12,991
without the right lighting wat
you're doing means nothing.
590
00:33:12,991 --> 00:33:15,994
- Cinematography
like in printing is
591
00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:19,731
an expression in a single image.
592
00:33:19,731 --> 00:33:22,034
Cinematography
needs the beginning
593
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:25,071
and an evolution at the end.
594
00:33:25,071 --> 00:33:28,674
You should never forget
the light this one
595
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,577
is practically an
energy, an energy
596
00:33:32,744 --> 00:33:35,881
arriving from that source to me.
597
00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:38,317
- In painting I
love impressionists.
598
00:33:38,317 --> 00:33:41,453
And for me nothing
else is as good as
599
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:45,257
impressionistic painting
so for me the style of
600
00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:49,228
what I call poetic reality
is the style for movies.
601
00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:51,330
* I know that kind of man
602
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:53,732
* It's hard to hold
the hand of anyone
603
00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:55,167
* Whose reaching for the
604
00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,103
- I would say McCabe
and Mrs. Miller
605
00:33:57,103 --> 00:34:01,207
was impressionistic in
effort, was real at one time
606
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:05,977
and now we are looking
at that from a distance.
607
00:34:05,977 --> 00:34:09,014
* Why can't you feel
that he was watching
608
00:34:09,014 --> 00:34:12,418
- I was asked to do that
film before Warren Beatty
609
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:14,320
was asked to do it and,
610
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:21,093
I just was close to it
I was flirting with it
611
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:24,763
with Bob Altman and
then we couldn't agree.
612
00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:27,599
We came to a
disagreement however,
613
00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,837
cut to me seeing it
and I'm looking at it
614
00:34:31,837 --> 00:34:35,941
and it's Vilmos's work
that gets me into the film
615
00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:40,946
and it's the authenticity
of it that makes it,
616
00:34:42,514 --> 00:34:45,451
makes everything believable
and makes it remarkable.
617
00:34:45,451 --> 00:34:49,488
- Vilmos did such a fantastic
job and it looked so
618
00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:51,757
historically accurate
and Leon Ericksen
619
00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:53,159
who was the production designer
620
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,860
basically built the
town from scratch.
621
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,462
There was nothing
there it was just
622
00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:58,630
a hillside when
we moved up there.
623
00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:01,533
- Yeah looking at faded
old antique images
624
00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:05,371
and decide to recreate
a world which doesn't
625
00:35:05,371 --> 00:35:08,540
exist anymore but in
those days it was real.
626
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,042
- Anyway we present
one part of our lives
627
00:35:11,042 --> 00:35:13,979
with him Vilmos Zsigmond started
628
00:35:13,979 --> 00:35:18,083
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
how to get he was able
629
00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:23,088
to bring the Hungarian
culture into United States.
630
00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:27,659
- So that was a
challenge to do it
631
00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:31,830
and but luckily enough we found
the right tools to do that,
632
00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:36,034
flashing the film,
and pushing the film,
633
00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:39,137
we did everything
to make it look old.
634
00:35:39,137 --> 00:35:42,007
- It kind of set the mark
for a certain kind of
635
00:35:42,007 --> 00:35:46,512
grit in Western cinematography,
it was terrific.
636
00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:49,648
- The film was largely
shot in sequence.
637
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:51,950
It had to be because
things were being built,
638
00:35:51,950 --> 00:35:55,454
the town was supposedly going
up around us, which it was.
639
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:57,689
But they hade this
early snow storm
640
00:35:57,689 --> 00:36:01,627
and Bob loved it and
we shot like crazy
641
00:36:01,627 --> 00:36:03,495
for a few days until
it all I believe
642
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:04,896
if I remember correctly
that it didn't
643
00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:08,667
stay around too long
because it melted.
644
00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:14,406
- So we hiked through the
woods all the way around
645
00:36:14,406 --> 00:36:16,975
to behind the set and
came out of the bushes
646
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:21,413
and here was this, this
perfect Western town.
647
00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:23,549
So I was 14 it was like
that's the job I want.
648
00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:27,886
I want that Vilmos guys
job that is so cool.
649
00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,622
So cut to a year later
the move finally comes out
650
00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,258
we have to lie about
our age to get in.
651
00:36:32,258 --> 00:36:34,393
We're hearing about how
it's got nudity in it
652
00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:35,961
and all this stuff
which my friend Dave
653
00:36:35,961 --> 00:36:38,163
is very excited about,
I just wanted to see
654
00:36:38,163 --> 00:36:39,931
what the pictures
were gonna look like.
655
00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:41,967
And nothing could
have prepared me
656
00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:45,704
for the difference between
how that set looked
657
00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,506
and what that film looked like.
658
00:36:47,506 --> 00:36:49,174
And of course years later I read
659
00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:51,943
that he had flashed the film
against the studios wishes,
660
00:36:51,943 --> 00:36:54,846
done all this other
amazing stuff to it
661
00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:57,015
and it made me realize
that you weren't just
662
00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:59,285
a guy taking pictures
that that guy who
663
00:36:59,285 --> 00:37:01,853
I'd been admiring
and watching work,
664
00:37:01,853 --> 00:37:03,922
really was a real artist.
665
00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:05,023
It's a stunning
movie and I think
666
00:37:05,023 --> 00:37:08,627
it stands up
perfectly well today.
667
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:19,605
- Very exciting era
when we did nothing but
668
00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:23,375
low budget movies,
very simple movies.
669
00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:27,879
To think about Scarecrow,
how simple that story is.
670
00:37:27,879 --> 00:37:31,517
Two hobos, we call
them this hobos,
671
00:37:31,517 --> 00:37:34,520
they meet on the road,
on the road side.
672
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,790
And two different totally
opposite characters.
673
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:43,161
And Pacino is playing one and
Gene Hackman plays the other.
674
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:45,664
In the beginning
they hate each other.
675
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:48,266
They just stopped on the road
676
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:51,570
and then they
continued together.
677
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:56,542
And the whole movie is about
how these two characters
678
00:37:56,542 --> 00:38:00,412
get closer together
to the point that
679
00:38:00,412 --> 00:38:03,382
they cannot live
without each other.
680
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:08,019
- I get that cream.
681
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,323
- Yeah some, not much.
682
00:38:11,323 --> 00:38:15,026
- That's okay because I got
enough to get us started.
683
00:38:19,365 --> 00:38:21,633
- It's a beautiful story.
684
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,869
You say
they become brothers?
685
00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:26,538
- Well they become
like brothers but
686
00:38:26,538 --> 00:38:29,841
it's a lot of
humanity done in that
687
00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:32,778
each of them realize
basically that
688
00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:38,149
to live the life lonely,
alone is not really the answer
689
00:38:39,284 --> 00:38:42,253
and that probably got
used to each other
690
00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:44,490
and then decide to
help each other.
691
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:47,726
And I thought it was
a magnificent film
692
00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:51,029
of the days, those days.
693
00:38:51,029 --> 00:38:52,263
- Scarecrow is a film that maybe
694
00:38:52,263 --> 00:38:53,732
isn't mentioned as
often as some of
695
00:38:53,732 --> 00:38:55,567
the other films that
Vilmos worked on
696
00:38:55,567 --> 00:38:57,068
but is really a striking film.
697
00:38:57,068 --> 00:38:59,137
And if you just look at
the credit sequence alone,
698
00:38:59,137 --> 00:39:03,241
you can see a real unique
way of looking at landscape.
699
00:39:04,676 --> 00:39:06,512
- You know he learned how
to light in a war zone.
700
00:39:06,512 --> 00:39:09,848
He was running through
war with a camera.
701
00:39:09,848 --> 00:39:12,384
And that has sound
and it has power.
702
00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:16,555
Light has quality to it that's
not just visual, it's tonal.
703
00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:23,962
If you're really
listening it has energy,
704
00:39:23,962 --> 00:39:27,032
it has sound, it has movement.
705
00:39:36,274 --> 00:39:38,276
We had
girlfriends and so
706
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:41,980
we're having our dinner
and I told Vilmos I said
707
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:45,417
tomorrow I'm going back to
Hungary and get them out.
708
00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:46,652
- I said are you crazy I mean
709
00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,787
you just escaped from
there, now you want
710
00:39:48,787 --> 00:39:51,623
to go back to Hungary
and escape again?
711
00:39:51,623 --> 00:39:55,861
But he was in love with
Agnes I mean that's,
712
00:39:55,861 --> 00:39:57,896
I could not talk
to him about it.
713
00:39:57,896 --> 00:40:01,467
Also I was in love with
my girlfriend Elizabeth.
714
00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:04,736
So I said but Laszlo if
you make it back here
715
00:40:04,736 --> 00:40:09,174
I will be here exactly
December 19 I will be here
716
00:40:09,174 --> 00:40:12,377
at five o'clock in the afternoon
717
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,980
and you better be there I said.
718
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:19,985
I took him to the border
and I said goodbye to him
719
00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:22,921
and I thought I will
never see him again.
720
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,525
- I'm heading for my
girlfriend's house and
721
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:30,696
I knock on her door and
her mother opens the door
722
00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:32,564
and then looks at me and
says what are you doing here?
723
00:40:32,564 --> 00:40:35,066
She's already in Vienna.
724
00:40:35,066 --> 00:40:38,403
- And the problem
was that by that time
725
00:40:38,403 --> 00:40:41,540
it was almost impossible
to come to the border
726
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:44,576
because the Russians
controlled it.
727
00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:48,780
And for the last three days
nobody came from Hungary.
728
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,783
And that was the time that
Laszlo should have arrived.
729
00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:55,420
- So okay the next thing I had
to find Vilmos's girlfriend
730
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:56,788
who is living the others side of
731
00:40:56,788 --> 00:40:59,991
the country near
the Russian borders.
732
00:40:59,991 --> 00:41:04,095
So I hire a cab and arrive
at her place and she's there.
733
00:41:07,866 --> 00:41:11,803
I'm here to pick you up
and take you to Vienna.
734
00:41:11,803 --> 00:41:13,204
She says okay I'm gonna pack.
735
00:41:13,204 --> 00:41:15,607
I said no you're not
packing you come as you are.
736
00:41:15,607 --> 00:41:17,976
Put some warm clothes
on and we just leave.
737
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:22,147
- Laszlo now was the expert
how to go to West right.
738
00:41:22,147 --> 00:41:24,149
So he took my uncle.
739
00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:26,885
I said okay Uncle
can you make the whole trip?
740
00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:29,621
He said oh yeah I'm
okay I'm in good shape.
741
00:41:29,621 --> 00:41:31,523
- So I was still waiting
there, waiting there.
742
00:41:31,523 --> 00:41:34,560
I go to a bar and
it's eight o'clock now
743
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,996
and nobody's coming
and then I really got
744
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:41,800
very pessimistic about
it started to drink
745
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,903
a little bit of butter palinka.
746
00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:48,073
And I got a little
bit drunk you know.
747
00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:53,478
Far away you
could see a low bare bulb.
748
00:41:53,478 --> 00:41:55,614
And I knew that that
was Ocsa that was
749
00:41:55,614 --> 00:41:58,183
the church in a cemetery,
and the the church
750
00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,686
had this little bare
bulb in the front.
751
00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:02,954
And this light was
getting closer and closer
752
00:42:02,954 --> 00:42:05,423
and you sort of could
make out the tombstones.
753
00:42:05,423 --> 00:42:08,894
Very spooky because I
knew that meant freedom.
754
00:42:08,894 --> 00:42:12,430
If I be under that bulb
you know we got it made.
755
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,299
And so we start walking.
756
00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:17,302
And we're walking
we break this fence
757
00:42:17,302 --> 00:42:21,472
and right into the tombstones
and I start yelling run.
758
00:42:23,341 --> 00:42:26,377
And we start zigzagging running
running running running.
759
00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:27,979
- People are running
out from the street
760
00:42:27,979 --> 00:42:30,015
into this bar and said
hey they are coming,
761
00:42:30,015 --> 00:42:32,684
they are coming,
there's 100 of them.
762
00:42:32,684 --> 00:42:34,319
So it's a bunch of
people that night
763
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,321
they made it to the border.
764
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:39,658
- Door opens and
Vilmos comes out
765
00:42:39,658 --> 00:42:42,761
and he looks at us
and he says your late.
766
00:42:42,761 --> 00:42:44,796
- He said I'll be there
at five o'clock right.
767
00:42:44,796 --> 00:42:48,667
So that was funny I mean
he thought it was funny.
768
00:42:48,667 --> 00:42:50,736
- And Laszlo and Vilmos
married their sweethearts
769
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:53,271
in the church were they escaped.
770
00:42:53,271 --> 00:42:56,341
These guys were
like yin and yang.
771
00:42:56,341 --> 00:42:58,944
Oh here this is the one I love.
772
00:43:00,979 --> 00:43:05,651
The knew the same thing, they
had the same blood in them.
773
00:43:05,651 --> 00:43:08,887
They had the same education,
they loved the same country,
774
00:43:08,887 --> 00:43:13,058
the same foods, the same life,
and they had the same goal.
775
00:43:13,959 --> 00:43:16,227
How could you separate them?
776
00:43:22,367 --> 00:43:23,601
Look at that.
777
00:43:23,601 --> 00:43:26,037
I like that, I've
never seen that one.
778
00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:28,106
Who the hell goes up on
that thing like that?
779
00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:32,510
Laszlo would.
780
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:36,982
- He was exceedingly inventive
and it all comes from
781
00:43:36,982 --> 00:43:39,550
a life on the run from Hungary.
782
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,089
- I got hold of a map of
United States of America
783
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:46,692
and looked at all the 48 states
784
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,597
and tried to figure out
how huge this country is.
785
00:43:52,597 --> 00:43:56,034
I thought the only
way I'll be able to
786
00:43:56,034 --> 00:44:00,505
see the country if I sit
in a bus in the front row
787
00:44:00,505 --> 00:44:03,008
and I have a window
in front of me
788
00:44:03,008 --> 00:44:05,310
and I just gonna soak it up.
789
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:09,480
And I tell you this was my
first impression from America.
790
00:44:12,583 --> 00:44:16,154
And it was a devastatingly
beautiful country.
791
00:44:16,154 --> 00:44:20,325
And subconsciously it left
such impression in me forever
792
00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:24,730
that later on I
didn't realize that
793
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:27,498
I was able to use
it in my movies.
794
00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:31,069
It taught me one
major lesson that
795
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:34,439
the environment, the
background is so important,
796
00:44:34,439 --> 00:44:38,376
where you embedded the
story and it has to be a
797
00:44:40,311 --> 00:44:43,548
third character because it tells
798
00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:46,684
so much about the
people who live it.
799
00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:48,720
I think
you have a visitor here.
800
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,021
It's Karen Black.
801
00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:53,324
- Oh my God Karen sweetheart.
- Hello sweetie.
802
00:44:54,192 --> 00:44:55,626
How are you?
803
00:44:55,626 --> 00:44:59,330
I tell you Five Easy
Pieces you're incredible,
804
00:44:59,330 --> 00:45:03,434
your character and the way you
played it, it was so perfect.
805
00:45:05,103 --> 00:45:09,274
* For that old
familiar glow you'll be
806
00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:13,644
- I love it.
807
00:45:13,644 --> 00:45:15,781
- You want me to
hold the chicken huh?
808
00:45:15,781 --> 00:45:18,449
- I want you to hold
it between your knees.
809
00:45:22,754 --> 00:45:24,189
Guess you all have to
leave I'm not taking
810
00:45:24,189 --> 00:45:27,458
any more of your
smartness and sarcasm.
811
00:45:31,662 --> 00:45:35,600
- Yeah this was Eugene,
Oregon as we were leaving
812
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,269
the town for the next location.
813
00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:40,839
Which we actually had a system
814
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:42,941
that we were moving
in a caravan.
815
00:45:42,941 --> 00:45:46,812
So if I found something
interesting on the road
816
00:45:46,812 --> 00:45:49,781
that it would be good
for some of the scenes
817
00:45:49,781 --> 00:45:52,483
I would pull over
from the highway
818
00:45:52,483 --> 00:45:54,519
and they figured
that it's gonna be
819
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,256
something short and
interesting and improvised.
820
00:45:58,256 --> 00:46:00,992
- Laszlo had to improvise
and tape things together,
821
00:46:00,992 --> 00:46:03,328
tape lights on the
outside of the cars.
822
00:46:03,328 --> 00:46:05,396
Once we stopped in the woods.
823
00:46:05,396 --> 00:46:08,967
He went in the woods and
grabbed this old rotten log.
824
00:46:08,967 --> 00:46:11,202
- Tied some shoe
leather around it
825
00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:14,705
and some shoe laces and
attached the camera to it
826
00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:16,441
so he could shoot
through the window.
827
00:46:16,441 --> 00:46:18,476
There's still
termites coming out of it.
828
00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:21,412
- Termites oh my
God good old days.
829
00:46:22,848 --> 00:46:24,816
You see this is what happens
when you don't have money
830
00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:28,686
and you don't have the time
and you have to get the shots.
831
00:46:28,686 --> 00:46:32,858
You really improvise and
you have to save the day.
832
00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:38,163
- Certain camera men are
able to create an atmosphere
833
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,103
on the set that is
quiet and efficient and
834
00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:51,609
loving and caring, not
only about the movie,
835
00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:54,045
but about the people
who are making
836
00:46:54,045 --> 00:46:57,315
the movie, the director
and the actors,
837
00:46:57,315 --> 00:47:01,086
there's something that
Laszlo had in this area
838
00:47:02,553 --> 00:47:06,157
where the actors embraced
him and he embraced them.
839
00:47:07,993 --> 00:47:11,296
- It was like a
most incredible blue
840
00:47:11,296 --> 00:47:15,800
and Bob said listen
let's do the scene here.
841
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,738
I said Bob hold it hold it,
can I suggest something?
842
00:47:20,738 --> 00:47:24,309
Why don't we put Susan
against the ocean
843
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:26,744
and Jack facing her you know?
844
00:47:28,513 --> 00:47:31,349
And look at the water
and look at her eye.
845
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:34,552
Her eye is exactly the
same color as the water.
846
00:47:34,552 --> 00:47:37,155
Let's shoot here closeup first.
847
00:47:39,024 --> 00:47:43,628
Oh there's the director
looking through the camera.
848
00:47:43,628 --> 00:47:46,131
Using the wrong eye.
849
00:47:46,131 --> 00:47:48,934
- He used to have strapped
on the camera right over here
850
00:47:48,934 --> 00:47:52,170
Laszlo's violin, did
you ever see that?
851
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,641
You pompous bastard.
852
00:47:56,641 --> 00:47:58,944
But look how handsome he was.
853
00:47:58,944 --> 00:48:00,878
I was lucky to have him.
854
00:48:03,481 --> 00:48:05,650
He's lucky to have me too.
855
00:48:06,817 --> 00:48:08,920
- It's fantastic that
people are beginning
856
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,991
to make inquiries into who the
people are behind the camera.
857
00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:16,027
Like these two Hungarian
guys who escaped
858
00:48:16,027 --> 00:48:19,297
from Hungary, lived
in exile in America
859
00:48:20,498 --> 00:48:22,833
and changed the face
of American cinema.
860
00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:26,604
- I first met Vilmos it
was in 1971 I believe
861
00:48:29,707 --> 00:48:31,342
for Deliverance.
862
00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:34,345
He didn't look like
anything from our industry.
863
00:48:34,345 --> 00:48:37,182
He had this wonderful
I don't know
864
00:48:38,649 --> 00:48:42,653
rough-hewn kind of thing
and if I saw him today,
865
00:48:44,822 --> 00:48:47,725
he would look the same he
doesn't change, Vilmos.
866
00:48:47,725 --> 00:48:50,395
He could still
climb Kilimanjaro.
867
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:55,633
- John Boorman was thinking
about doing this movie
868
00:48:55,633 --> 00:48:59,037
and he saw my dailies of
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
869
00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:02,707
and said wow this is
really something great.
870
00:49:02,707 --> 00:49:05,076
And if a cinematographer
can do that,
871
00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:07,578
I know that he can do my movie.
872
00:49:07,578 --> 00:49:09,680
- When I Vilmos he
was tough and wiry
873
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,618
and the guy I needed 'cause
this was gonna be tough.
874
00:49:13,618 --> 00:49:15,987
Shooting this picture
on this raging river
875
00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:19,157
in very very difficult
circumstances
876
00:49:19,157 --> 00:49:21,392
where you couldn't
have the kind of backup
877
00:49:21,392 --> 00:49:25,963
that a camera man would
normally expect to have.
878
00:49:25,963 --> 00:49:29,000
John Boorman
was so great to working.
879
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,868
I learned so much
from him.
880
00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,840
Vilmos would be almost
the first one in the water.
881
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,942
And then we would
be in the canoes
882
00:49:37,942 --> 00:49:39,277
and sometimes it
was pretty hairy
883
00:49:39,277 --> 00:49:42,947
I mean it was pretty
dangerous for all of us,
884
00:49:42,947 --> 00:49:45,983
because if the canoes
went out of control
885
00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:47,785
and the camera was in the water
886
00:49:47,785 --> 00:49:49,320
that would be
dangerous of course.
887
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,921
- So when you
travel boat to boat
888
00:49:50,921 --> 00:49:52,857
it's not giving you much film.
889
00:49:52,857 --> 00:49:57,028
But when you actually do your
long lenses it went very fast.
890
00:50:00,865 --> 00:50:02,933
- When you get four young guys
891
00:50:02,933 --> 00:50:04,469
and one of them is Burt Reynolds
892
00:50:04,469 --> 00:50:07,004
you just are tempted
to do your own stunts
893
00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:09,740
because Burt young
Reynolds was a stunt man.
894
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:12,110
So our hope
that the actors are going
895
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,945
to be able to do
their own stunts.
896
00:50:16,114 --> 00:50:19,717
And because I
had an ego, a male ego,
897
00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:21,319
and because I had a
girlfriend down there
898
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:24,589
I had to do my own stunts
and almost killed myself.
899
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:27,825
And they, they
did everything in the movie.
900
00:50:27,825 --> 00:50:31,396
- There are many sequences
that are done in one take,
901
00:50:31,396 --> 00:50:35,933
long takes where people come
in and out of foreground,
902
00:50:35,933 --> 00:50:39,670
background where
focuses turn to bring
903
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:43,374
a person into the scene
in the background.
904
00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,310
And the camera just
stays in one place
905
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:47,912
and moves, or the camera moves.
906
00:50:47,912 --> 00:50:50,548
When we meet the mountain
men who are these
907
00:50:50,548 --> 00:50:52,650
villainous characters
that come out of the woods
908
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:55,153
it's a scary scary
moment in the film.
909
00:50:55,153 --> 00:50:57,122
Perhaps it's the key
moment in the film.
910
00:50:57,122 --> 00:50:59,990
And they say where
are you going?
911
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:02,026
And they said well we're
going up to Antree.
912
00:51:02,026 --> 00:51:05,363
He says Antree, you
can't get to Antree.
913
00:51:06,497 --> 00:51:09,234
- You done taken a wrong turn.
914
00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:13,338
See this here river don't
go nowhere near Antree.
915
00:51:19,043 --> 00:51:22,280
- Ned gets scared and
I'm trying to rationalize
916
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,383
with this guy and
then this other guy
917
00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:27,418
with the gun points
the gun at one point.
918
00:51:27,418 --> 00:51:31,856
Well it's a big long sequence
to get us up into the woods
919
00:51:31,856 --> 00:51:36,627
and storytelling wise everything
turns in that sequence.
920
00:51:36,627 --> 00:51:38,696
Your camera doesn't move,
921
00:51:39,564 --> 00:51:40,998
and all that goes on is there's
922
00:51:40,998 --> 00:51:43,234
a slight panning of the camera
923
00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:47,405
and a switch of focus and we
have four people in the scene.
924
00:51:47,405 --> 00:51:51,409
And when the camera, when
we leave that sequence
925
00:51:52,777 --> 00:51:54,912
we go up into the woods and they
926
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:58,249
tie me to a tree it's
all the same take.
927
00:52:00,318 --> 00:52:03,154
- He got a real
pretty mouth ain't he?
928
00:52:03,154 --> 00:52:06,291
- And you will see that
those daring kinds of things
929
00:52:06,291 --> 00:52:08,693
were done continuously
during that film
930
00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:11,229
and that's why it's remarkable.
931
00:52:16,301 --> 00:52:18,303
- Here hold that on him.
932
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,011
- It was forceful, it was
powerful, it was jaw drop.
933
00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:31,616
* Now when I was a young boy
934
00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:34,685
* At the age of five
935
00:52:35,553 --> 00:52:38,589
* My mother said I'm gonna be
936
00:52:38,589 --> 00:52:40,958
And I'm sure both
of them told you when they
937
00:52:40,958 --> 00:52:43,261
enrolled in the film
school in Hungary
938
00:52:43,261 --> 00:52:45,162
that they weren't
allowed to touch a camera
939
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,665
or look at film the first year.
940
00:52:47,665 --> 00:52:51,001
They painted and they
listened to music.
941
00:52:52,203 --> 00:52:54,572
Laszlo and
Vilmos could produce
942
00:52:54,572 --> 00:52:58,643
a big color extravaganza
like New York New York
943
00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:02,347
or like Nickelodeon and
also make Easy Rider.
944
00:53:05,216 --> 00:53:07,318
- They weren't allowed
to watch Western films
945
00:53:07,318 --> 00:53:10,054
and that with none of the
communist officials around
946
00:53:10,054 --> 00:53:12,423
usually on a Saturday,
the teacher told them
947
00:53:12,423 --> 00:53:16,160
they could look at the film
but not to listen to it.
948
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,497
And Laszlo particularly
told me that Gregg Toland,
949
00:53:19,497 --> 00:53:23,668
watching Gregg's Citizen Kane
changed his visual grammar.
950
00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:26,237
They were shooting
very naturalistic,
951
00:53:26,237 --> 00:53:27,738
they were finding
the light instead of
952
00:53:27,738 --> 00:53:30,708
concentrating on making
everybody look beautiful.
953
00:53:30,708 --> 00:53:33,478
The excitement
of the 50's produced
954
00:53:33,478 --> 00:53:37,815
in a certain way the 60's which
began to be revolutionary.
955
00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:40,285
- Somehow with
Laszlo and many of
956
00:53:40,285 --> 00:53:43,988
the contemporary
American photography
957
00:53:43,988 --> 00:53:46,291
we were the new generation
here in America.
958
00:53:46,291 --> 00:53:49,360
And we just fell
into it by accident,
959
00:53:50,528 --> 00:53:52,663
by being at the right
time in the right place.
960
00:53:52,663 --> 00:53:54,231
- They've influenced filmmakers
961
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,067
in every part of the
world without knowing.
962
00:53:57,067 --> 00:53:59,637
I mean I've heard
that so many times.
963
00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:02,907
They once asked their
mentor George Elaus
964
00:54:02,907 --> 00:54:05,075
how can we ever pay you,
repay you for what you did?
965
00:54:05,075 --> 00:54:07,612
And he says help
other young people.
966
00:54:07,612 --> 00:54:10,348
And they started this summer
workshop for two weeks
967
00:54:10,348 --> 00:54:12,550
every other summer
and they took turns
968
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:15,252
going sometimes
they went together.
969
00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:19,156
So we tried
to fill that void and
970
00:54:19,156 --> 00:54:22,327
doing the master
class about lighting.
971
00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:25,996
And only for young
cinematographers
972
00:54:25,996 --> 00:54:28,399
selected from all
over the world.
973
00:54:28,399 --> 00:54:31,702
And unfortunately
Vilmos is not available.
974
00:54:31,702 --> 00:54:35,873
He's on a film, he got stuck
on his in North Carolina.
975
00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:41,412
- Oh wow, oh wow,
oh God this is it.
976
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,685
This is like the best
idea with landings.
977
00:54:50,921 --> 00:54:53,424
It's like being up in the moon.
978
00:54:53,424 --> 00:54:56,226
- We were looking
for cinematographers
979
00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,896
and his agent called us and said
980
00:54:58,896 --> 00:55:01,499
you know I think Vilmos Zsigmond
981
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,136
would be interested in
shooting these films.
982
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:10,307
After they resuscitated me I
said well how old is Vilmos?
983
00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:18,148
And she said kid he's gonna
work your ass into the ground.
984
00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,451
- Here's a man left
a beautiful wife
985
00:55:20,451 --> 00:55:23,354
and he's not get
paid and he's here
986
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:28,526
to share his knowledge,
Vilmos Zsigmond thank you.
987
00:55:28,526 --> 00:55:30,928
It's all yours sir, all yours.
988
00:55:36,066 --> 00:55:38,002
- To correct his English
though better I didn't--
989
00:55:40,438 --> 00:55:41,706
I didn't leave my wife.
990
00:55:45,142 --> 00:55:48,413
I left her home but
I didn't leave her.
991
00:55:49,547 --> 00:55:51,281
- This is what they
do for students.
992
00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:53,384
Any time I would call
upon them or anybody else
993
00:55:53,384 --> 00:55:56,286
call upon them, there
wasn't any hesitation.
994
00:55:56,286 --> 00:55:57,855
- He never forgot
where we came from.
995
00:55:57,855 --> 00:55:59,890
He always reached
out to young people.
996
00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:01,626
He inspired them with his work.
997
00:56:01,626 --> 00:56:04,695
He inspired them, I remember
going back one year,
998
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,664
it was six or seven years ago,
999
00:56:06,664 --> 00:56:09,567
it was like I was walking
with the King of Hungary.
1000
00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:11,368
People would come
up on the streets,
1001
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:13,170
and not necessarily filmmakers,
1002
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:15,940
and they would have old
articles in magazines,
1003
00:56:15,940 --> 00:56:18,208
some of them I had written,
some other people had written,
1004
00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:20,010
that they had gotten
during the cold war.
1005
00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:24,181
- You know there's a master
class is gonna be in August.
1006
00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:30,254
Two weeks master class and
Vilmos and usually myself.
1007
00:56:30,254 --> 00:56:31,388
In Hungary?
1008
00:56:31,388 --> 00:56:32,857
- Yeah, Budapest.
- Oh okay.
1009
00:56:32,857 --> 00:56:34,925
- I don't know I mean this
is very interesting lighting.
1010
00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:39,029
I mean I never would do
anything like this in my life.
1011
00:56:39,029 --> 00:56:43,000
I hope it's gonna be
very interesting because
1012
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,204
I never used green light for
a moon, I never did that.
1013
00:56:47,204 --> 00:56:49,239
I like to know when
people are courageous
1014
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,610
and try something
even if it's wrong.
1015
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:54,945
It's the only way you can learn.
1016
00:56:54,945 --> 00:56:58,015
And he learned
that filmmaking is an art
1017
00:56:58,015 --> 00:57:01,051
and it's a form,
everyone is different.
1018
00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:02,887
You can't copy somebody else.
1019
00:57:02,887 --> 00:57:05,723
- They learned how to
things economically.
1020
00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:08,726
And also learned
how to be associated
1021
00:57:08,726 --> 00:57:11,796
with subject matter
which is interesting.
1022
00:57:11,796 --> 00:57:14,799
- Vilmos almost
seem to smell light.
1023
00:57:16,467 --> 00:57:19,003
When you're on a set
with Vilmos it's like,
1024
00:57:19,003 --> 00:57:22,473
it's like a great chef
as he walks around
1025
00:57:22,473 --> 00:57:26,143
and he looks, 'cause I used
to watch him look it was fun
1026
00:57:26,143 --> 00:57:28,613
with this
then you see as he's
1027
00:57:28,613 --> 00:57:32,082
moving around with the
actors and the shot.
1028
00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,951
- Letters to persuade
a man to close a deal
1029
00:57:33,951 --> 00:57:36,854
or leave a job or sell
out on his brother.
1030
00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:39,824
- When it's Vilmos Zsigmond
footage against others
1031
00:57:39,824 --> 00:57:42,459
you know it and you
just, you see it.
1032
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:53,303
- Who actually made the
contract to kill the President?
1033
00:57:56,507 --> 00:57:59,143
- That for me has always
been a mystery, I don't know.
1034
00:57:59,143 --> 00:58:01,211
- And in a culture
that for the most part
1035
00:58:01,211 --> 00:58:05,616
turns it's back on art
they managed to survive
1036
00:58:05,616 --> 00:58:09,787
and they managed to keep
their eye on the sparrow.
1037
00:58:16,393 --> 00:58:19,897
- Wanted Frances to
have this crisp look.
1038
00:58:19,897 --> 00:58:23,568
And that's, Laszlo had
done it again on Fist
1039
00:58:25,002 --> 00:58:27,772
which again had this very
sharp perceptive look to it.
1040
00:58:27,772 --> 00:58:29,607
- After slamming
through the house
1041
00:58:29,607 --> 00:58:34,378
breathless and panicky from
searching I could stop...
1042
00:58:34,378 --> 00:58:36,080
- Goodnight Princess.
1043
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,148
- It was tough, a tough
movie for her to do.
1044
00:58:38,148 --> 00:58:41,318
And the whole crew
just gave her space
1045
00:58:42,486 --> 00:58:45,890
and let her inhabit
this role because
1046
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:49,226
more than any other she
needed to be Francis
1047
00:58:49,226 --> 00:58:51,962
whether she was
on camera or not.
1048
00:58:53,397 --> 00:58:56,000
I had an absolute
dream team on this movie.
1049
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,170
I had Laszlo, Dick Sylbert
was the Production Designer.
1050
00:59:00,170 --> 00:59:04,241
And John Barry composed
a beautiful score.
1051
00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,877
In typical Laszlo fashion
he used the makeup
1052
00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:10,347
and hair tests for
lighting experimentations.
1053
00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,549
And Jessica also used that time
1054
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:15,886
to work on the early
stages of her character.
1055
00:59:15,886 --> 00:59:19,223
I like to let actors
go beyond the point
1056
00:59:20,357 --> 00:59:23,027
at which they think they should.
1057
00:59:24,228 --> 00:59:28,098
And I always say that
I will protect you
1058
00:59:28,098 --> 00:59:30,500
and I'll tell you
when it's too much
1059
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,369
or when you're
going over the top
1060
00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:35,372
and it won't be in the movie.
1061
00:59:35,372 --> 00:59:38,142
And they just, obviously
the actor has to trust you.
1062
00:59:38,142 --> 00:59:41,946
There has to be trust
going both ways here.
1063
00:59:41,946 --> 00:59:44,782
And the same trust is between
1064
00:59:44,782 --> 00:59:47,584
the actress and the
cinematographer.
1065
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:51,956
Jessica trusted Laszlo
implicitly and felt
very safe there.
1066
00:59:56,260 --> 00:59:57,862
She was in fact
half the time afraid
1067
00:59:57,862 --> 00:59:59,697
if she was gonna look too good.
1068
00:59:59,697 --> 01:00:02,833
And so for a cinematographer
that's a challenge
1069
01:00:02,833 --> 01:00:04,201
because you still have to make
1070
01:00:04,201 --> 01:00:07,504
the actress look
appealing and attractive.
1071
01:00:11,208 --> 01:00:14,645
Who is it?
1072
01:00:16,747 --> 01:00:18,582
- You've got no right!
1073
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:21,652
He cared
about the movies he made.
1074
01:00:21,652 --> 01:00:24,621
He cared about the
story and he cared
1075
01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,590
about the characters
and it wasn't just
1076
01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:28,926
a matter of making
the stuff look good.
1077
01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:31,729
It was a matter of did
we tell the story right?
1078
01:00:31,729 --> 01:00:33,230
- I'd like a wake up call.
1079
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:36,033
- I think he got
relationship on Jessica.
1080
01:00:36,033 --> 01:00:38,769
He admired her beyond
words but I think
1081
01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:40,838
the film was hard on his heart.
1082
01:00:40,838 --> 01:00:43,507
- In plane language
my icepick technique
1083
01:00:43,507 --> 01:00:46,176
severs the nerves that deliver
1084
01:00:46,176 --> 01:00:48,746
emotional energy through ideas.
1085
01:00:50,114 --> 01:00:53,050
However, this patient here
1086
01:00:53,050 --> 01:00:56,653
will soon be leaving
the hospital.
1087
01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:58,655
Lobotomy gets them home.
1088
01:01:00,257 --> 01:01:01,425
- When they were
walking down the street
1089
01:01:01,425 --> 01:01:04,228
at the end we wondered
how Francis was.
1090
01:01:04,228 --> 01:01:05,830
The camera was in front of them.
1091
01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:07,497
You know it wasn't a pretty shot
1092
01:01:07,497 --> 01:01:11,235
and it wasn't a long
shot and it wasn't this.
1093
01:01:13,203 --> 01:01:14,204
It was here.
1094
01:01:16,273 --> 01:01:20,444
So it's over, they'll never
be together it's over.
1095
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,649
We don't need this anymore.
1096
01:01:25,649 --> 01:01:28,218
It's just where the
story is, he goes there.
1097
01:01:28,218 --> 01:01:29,954
- Towards the end of
the movie Laszlo took
1098
01:01:29,954 --> 01:01:32,622
all of the light out
of Jessica's eyes
1099
01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:35,592
so that she looked dead
even when she wasn't.
1100
01:01:40,831 --> 01:01:43,934
- Were illusionists and we
got to create an illusion
1101
01:01:43,934 --> 01:01:46,937
from love, laughter,
fear, whatever.
1102
01:01:48,138 --> 01:01:51,909
And the cameraman, the
DP is the one can either
1103
01:01:53,110 --> 01:01:55,179
bring it visually to the screen
1104
01:01:55,179 --> 01:01:58,248
the way you want
it and then some
1105
01:01:58,248 --> 01:02:00,751
or it can be destroyed by them.
1106
01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:04,889
Radio Flyer was a picture I
needed a very special team on.
1107
01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:10,227
And first name that
came to mind, who am I,
1108
01:02:10,227 --> 01:02:12,930
Vilmos Laszlo, Vilmos
Laszlo, Vilmos Laszlo,
1109
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:15,499
who am I gonna, it's
gonna be one of those two.
1110
01:02:15,499 --> 01:02:18,102
- But all it took I think
is their relationships
1111
01:02:18,102 --> 01:02:19,636
to certain directors,
if certain directors
1112
01:02:19,636 --> 01:02:21,005
liked what they were
doing they could
1113
01:02:21,005 --> 01:02:22,873
continue working
on big pictures.
1114
01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:24,641
I was lucky
that Steven maybe must
1115
01:02:24,641 --> 01:02:26,977
have seen some of
my earlier movies.
1116
01:02:26,977 --> 01:02:29,346
- I remember saying to
him there's this guy
1117
01:02:29,346 --> 01:02:32,382
Vilmos Zsigmond you've
got to see his work.
1118
01:02:32,382 --> 01:02:36,753
And there's a scene, Vilmos
is wrapped around the camera
1119
01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:39,723
and is doing a 360
degree pan inside
1120
01:02:39,723 --> 01:02:42,827
the sheriff's car and
there's dialogue going on
1121
01:02:42,827 --> 01:02:45,796
with another sheriff's car
that's pulling up alongside.
1122
01:02:45,796 --> 01:02:48,098
Get on back there
I'll shoot him in the head.
1123
01:02:48,098 --> 01:02:49,867
Vilmos almost exactly
1124
01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:52,302
what Steven Spielberg needed.
1125
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,940
- Well here again you have
a great emerging talent,
1126
01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:59,276
he's got a solid script,
he's got good young actors.
1127
01:02:59,276 --> 01:03:02,847
And he's got a great
collaborator behind the camera.
1128
01:03:02,847 --> 01:03:06,216
And they want together
to tell this tale,
1129
01:03:06,216 --> 01:03:08,018
not the way it
would have been shot
1130
01:03:08,018 --> 01:03:10,855
in 1938 or '48 or
'58 or even '68.
1131
01:03:17,594 --> 01:03:20,497
- And you could see not
only say the formation
1132
01:03:20,497 --> 01:03:23,233
of Vilmos' style
but you certainly
1133
01:03:23,233 --> 01:03:26,770
could see Stephen's ability
to stage the camera.
1134
01:03:26,770 --> 01:03:29,539
And I thought they
had an amazing
1135
01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:32,376
experience together
in that movie.
1136
01:03:32,376 --> 01:03:36,313
- We probably painted
but our hand is basically
1137
01:03:38,515 --> 01:03:40,750
controlled by many
many many people
1138
01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:43,787
like the director, like
the production designer,
1139
01:03:43,787 --> 01:03:46,290
the editor so many many people
1140
01:03:48,458 --> 01:03:51,261
holding that hand
which held the brush.
1141
01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:37,341
- A lot of people know
how much Vilmos and Laszlo
1142
01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:41,511
have influenced filmmaking
but they don't understand
1143
01:04:41,511 --> 01:04:44,781
maybe the back side of
what they did which was
1144
01:04:44,781 --> 01:04:49,053
try to help us get the
appreciation factor out there.
1145
01:04:49,053 --> 01:04:52,456
We asked for the credit
to be moved up adjacent
1146
01:04:52,456 --> 01:04:54,891
to the writer,
producer, director.
1147
01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:56,994
Our agent did that.
1148
01:04:56,994 --> 01:05:01,231
Jason Smith who before him
there was no agency for us.
1149
01:05:01,231 --> 01:05:05,402
- Had a beach place for
part of that period of time.
1150
01:05:06,536 --> 01:05:08,605
And every Sunday we
just had an open house.
1151
01:05:08,605 --> 01:05:10,307
And so you had
all these great camera men
1152
01:05:10,307 --> 01:05:12,809
who were really changing
the look of our movies.
1153
01:05:12,809 --> 01:05:16,947
Guys like Connie Hall,
Haskell Wexler, Bill Fraker,
1154
01:05:16,947 --> 01:05:20,250
Owen Roizman, John
Alonzo, Billy Williams,
1155
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:23,920
Gordon Willis, and of
course Vittorio Storaro.
1156
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,092
We were dealing with
how to deal with the future.
1157
01:05:29,526 --> 01:05:33,563
- Discuss what they wanted
and felt we could do
1158
01:05:33,563 --> 01:05:37,334
to help advance the
recognition of cameramen.
1159
01:05:38,969 --> 01:05:41,671
TWA
471 contact on one three--
1160
01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:43,773
- Great thing about Close
Encounters as far as I know
1161
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:48,345
it's the first example where
we've had something popular
1162
01:05:48,345 --> 01:05:52,516
like movies where these
creatures from outer space
1163
01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,252
are not only smarter than we are
1164
01:05:55,252 --> 01:05:56,786
but they were not
a threat to us.
1165
01:05:59,456 --> 01:06:01,725
That was the beauty of
that to discover that
1166
01:06:01,725 --> 01:06:06,063
we don't need to be fearful
of what we don't know.
1167
01:06:06,063 --> 01:06:08,298
In our politics
country to country
1168
01:06:08,298 --> 01:06:11,568
the fear element
begins to affect
1169
01:06:11,568 --> 01:06:13,670
all of our thinking and
all of our responses.
1170
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:17,441
- It's a $2500 globe
what are you guys doing?
1171
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:22,846
- Close Encounters was probably
1172
01:06:22,846 --> 01:06:26,616
the biggest lighting
challenge in my life.
1173
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:35,092
When we started the
movie we thought
1174
01:06:35,092 --> 01:06:38,428
that we are making
a low budget movie
1175
01:06:38,428 --> 01:06:42,599
mostly documentary style
and in fact Steven Spielberg
1176
01:06:44,268 --> 01:06:47,671
wanted to do that
movie on 16 millimeter
1177
01:06:47,671 --> 01:06:50,340
with maybe a budget of $600,000.
1178
01:06:52,242 --> 01:06:54,311
And then it started
to get bigger.
1179
01:06:54,311 --> 01:06:57,147
He got stars like
Richard Dreyfuss
1180
01:06:57,147 --> 01:07:00,117
who wanted to do the movie.
1181
01:07:00,117 --> 01:07:03,820
And Steven's writing
became more complicated,
1182
01:07:04,988 --> 01:07:07,324
more interesting,
he did more research
1183
01:07:07,324 --> 01:07:11,095
about aliens and space
ships and all that.
1184
01:07:11,095 --> 01:07:14,264
So the budget started to
go up and up and up and up.
1185
01:07:14,264 --> 01:07:17,267
- The set was so big
that you couldn't
1186
01:07:17,267 --> 01:07:20,104
stand in the middle and shout
to the edges and be heard.
1187
01:07:20,104 --> 01:07:24,174
And I said when are
we going to light this place?
1188
01:07:24,174 --> 01:07:26,110
And they said what do you
mean lighting this place?
1189
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:26,943
It's lit.
1190
01:07:28,112 --> 01:07:31,548
Lit by what, those
stadium lights?
1191
01:07:31,548 --> 01:07:34,518
And said what,
that's not enough?
1192
01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:36,853
How about the buildings?
1193
01:07:36,853 --> 01:07:38,822
The buildings inside?
1194
01:07:38,822 --> 01:07:40,757
Said well we have light bulbs.
1195
01:07:40,757 --> 01:07:45,462
The screw the light bulbs you
can change them from bigger.
1196
01:07:45,462 --> 01:07:47,964
I said but Steven
don't you think that
1197
01:07:47,964 --> 01:07:51,801
we should light this
like it was a movie?
1198
01:07:51,801 --> 01:07:54,037
And they just looked at
me like I was stupid.
1199
01:07:54,037 --> 01:07:55,772
What are you talking about?
1200
01:07:55,772 --> 01:07:57,341
They said what do
you mean by that?
1201
01:07:57,341 --> 01:08:00,577
Well you know like light
coming through the doors,
1202
01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:05,282
light coming through the
windows, like a movie.
1203
01:08:07,684 --> 01:08:11,020
- Well in Close Encounters
in the script of the film
1204
01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:13,823
Steven and I guess his
writers had the idea that
1205
01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:17,894
there should be some kind
of oral communication
1206
01:08:17,894 --> 01:08:19,829
with the arriving
extra terrestrial.
1207
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:22,399
What I discovered that
more than five notes,
1208
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:26,603
six or seven could become a
melody more naturally than five.
1209
01:08:26,603 --> 01:08:28,104
So I kept saying to Steven
maybe if I could have
1210
01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,240
a note or two more, no no
it should only be five.
1211
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,708
Be five fingers and
it had something
1212
01:08:31,708 --> 01:08:35,712
to do with this Cordei who
was also Hungarian I believe.
1213
01:08:40,684 --> 01:08:41,651
- Let's go.
1214
01:08:58,302 --> 01:09:01,305
- Well Vilmos got in trouble
every time he turned around.
1215
01:09:01,305 --> 01:09:05,475
And he became, literally became
the scapegoat in the movie.
1216
01:09:06,343 --> 01:09:09,078
He went forward at all cost.
1217
01:09:09,078 --> 01:09:12,849
- And after awhile I
got into trouble because
1218
01:09:13,950 --> 01:09:15,619
everything was blamed
on me of course.
1219
01:09:15,619 --> 01:09:17,221
Who can they blame it on?
1220
01:09:17,221 --> 01:09:19,289
They cannot blame it on Steven.
1221
01:09:19,289 --> 01:09:23,360
- He was fired I think
five times on that movie.
1222
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:24,794
Julia Phillips fired him.
1223
01:09:24,794 --> 01:09:26,530
I think Steven fired
him at one point.
1224
01:09:26,530 --> 01:09:30,099
The studio fired, his
gaffer had him fired.
1225
01:09:30,099 --> 01:09:31,935
- All the cinematographers
were really
1226
01:09:31,935 --> 01:09:33,770
standing behind
this whole industry.
1227
01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:36,440
Nobody wanted to
take over the film.
1228
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:40,277
And that's why I stayed
on until the very end.
1229
01:09:42,346 --> 01:09:44,448
The kind of
photography that Vilmos has done
1230
01:09:44,448 --> 01:09:47,717
has made searing
imprints on our minds.
1231
01:09:48,885 --> 01:09:52,356
- That stylistic
look, imagination,
1232
01:09:52,356 --> 01:09:55,359
and use of the lights
and the shafts of light
1233
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,994
and the darkness and
everybody would approach it
1234
01:09:57,994 --> 01:10:00,264
probably a different
way because that's
1235
01:10:00,264 --> 01:10:03,032
one individual's
interpretation for sure.
1236
01:10:03,032 --> 01:10:05,902
And whatever he did, he did
it right that's for sure.
1237
01:10:05,902 --> 01:10:07,604
I mean he won an Oscar
for it didn't he.
1238
01:10:07,604 --> 01:10:09,806
- And the winner is
- And the winner is
1239
01:10:09,806 --> 01:10:11,541
- Vilmos Zsigmond.
- Vilmos Zsigmond.
1240
01:10:29,526 --> 01:10:34,264
- I would like to thank
you first for this country,
1241
01:10:34,264 --> 01:10:37,867
the American people who
gave me a second life.
1242
01:10:37,867 --> 01:10:40,270
I would like to
thank my old masters
1243
01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:45,141
in the Hungarian film school
Elaus George, Boroka Szabella.
1244
01:10:45,141 --> 01:10:46,643
- And this is while
Hungary was still under
1245
01:10:46,643 --> 01:10:50,146
the iron curtain and he
thanked his mentors by name
1246
01:10:50,146 --> 01:10:53,950
in Hungary and it
meant so much to them.
1247
01:10:53,950 --> 01:10:55,218
- It's funny when
you think about
1248
01:10:55,218 --> 01:10:56,986
the full careers of
Laszlo and Vilmos.
1249
01:10:56,986 --> 01:10:59,356
There are those defining
films at the beginning,
1250
01:10:59,356 --> 01:11:02,926
which really still what
you tend to reference.
1251
01:11:04,728 --> 01:11:06,363
- You know Orson
Wells used to say
1252
01:11:06,363 --> 01:11:08,698
black and white was
the actors friend.
1253
01:11:08,698 --> 01:11:10,133
Why do you say that Orson?
1254
01:11:10,133 --> 01:11:12,536
Because every performance looks
better in black and white.
1255
01:11:12,536 --> 01:11:16,473
Name me a great performance
in color, he'd say.
1256
01:11:18,141 --> 01:11:20,810
And you know that's going a
little far but nevertheless
1257
01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:23,613
black and white has a
sense of authenticity.
1258
01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:27,351
- So he calls me said
Laszlo tell you I have,
1259
01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:31,521
I have a beautiful
story and he said
1260
01:11:31,521 --> 01:11:34,924
it's gonna be black
and white, I hung up.
1261
01:11:38,094 --> 01:11:40,997
That was all intro
for the movie.
1262
01:11:40,997 --> 01:11:43,433
He said you know
what why don't you
1263
01:11:43,433 --> 01:11:46,870
come over at my house
and talk to Orson Wells.
1264
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:47,871
I said what.
1265
01:11:49,272 --> 01:11:52,041
'Cause Orson Wells was
staying with him as a guest.
1266
01:11:52,041 --> 01:11:55,579
I think he was hiding
again from the IRS.
1267
01:11:55,579 --> 01:11:57,647
I was so nervous to
knock on that door
1268
01:11:57,647 --> 01:12:01,451
and finally open the
door and then this
1269
01:12:01,451 --> 01:12:05,622
long oak dining table and at
the end it's like a throne.
1270
01:12:08,425 --> 01:12:11,160
And there is Orson
Wells you know.
1271
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,298
And he said I understand
you and Peter are
1272
01:12:15,298 --> 01:12:17,701
going to make a
black and white film.
1273
01:12:17,701 --> 01:12:19,202
I said yes trying.
1274
01:12:20,604 --> 01:12:23,006
I been doing all these
tests and everything
1275
01:12:23,006 --> 01:12:26,943
and I really tell you truth
I don't like any of them.
1276
01:12:26,943 --> 01:12:31,114
And he said it's very simple
use red filter my boy.
1277
01:12:32,416 --> 01:12:36,185
* Cleft for my let me hide
1278
01:12:36,185 --> 01:12:37,821
- The very first
shot of the movie
1279
01:12:37,821 --> 01:12:39,288
is the first shot
of the movie where
1280
01:12:39,288 --> 01:12:40,724
I'm standing at the grave site.
1281
01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:44,327
And it was sort of a
windy day and very bright
1282
01:12:44,327 --> 01:12:47,497
and very hot and it
was a lot of wind.
1283
01:12:48,632 --> 01:12:51,435
And I just remember
standing all day
1284
01:12:51,435 --> 01:12:56,039
with Peter and with Laszlo
and setting up these shots
1285
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,074
and it just seemed
so vast everything,
1286
01:12:58,074 --> 01:13:00,243
and I seemed so little.
1287
01:13:12,155 --> 01:13:13,356
- Howdy.
1288
01:13:13,356 --> 01:13:14,290
- Howdy.
1289
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:15,659
Get the phone will you.
1290
01:13:17,527 --> 01:13:18,762
- Tatum was a kid
she didn't know
1291
01:13:18,762 --> 01:13:21,431
how to do it so it took forever.
1292
01:13:22,466 --> 01:13:24,534
There's a two shot that goes on
1293
01:13:24,534 --> 01:13:26,836
for about three, four
minutes in the car.
1294
01:13:26,836 --> 01:13:28,438
We did it 36 times,
1295
01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:32,576
25 times the first day
and we didn't get it.
1296
01:13:32,576 --> 01:13:35,178
We didn't get beyond
the first 10 lines.
1297
01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:36,345
- I had these two men.
1298
01:13:36,345 --> 01:13:39,248
I had Peter, he's
giving me books to read
1299
01:13:39,248 --> 01:13:42,986
even though I really
am a very baby reader.
1300
01:13:42,986 --> 01:13:45,154
Like I wasn't that
good at reading then.
1301
01:13:45,154 --> 01:13:48,091
And then you've got
Laszlo who's this
1302
01:13:48,091 --> 01:13:51,160
super debonair, super handsome.
1303
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,930
I never remember
him ever getting
1304
01:13:55,364 --> 01:13:58,167
stern with me or
getting frustrated.
1305
01:13:58,167 --> 01:14:01,204
- Well you know Laszlo spoiled
me because it was so easy.
1306
01:14:01,204 --> 01:14:03,607
We fit hand in glove and
we worked hand in glove.
1307
01:14:03,607 --> 01:14:06,943
I wish I'd done more
pictures with him.
1308
01:14:06,943 --> 01:14:08,878
- Alright boy you're next.
1309
01:14:08,878 --> 01:14:10,213
- I ain't a boy.
1310
01:14:11,615 --> 01:14:14,684
- We are screening one
of his movies Papermoon.
1311
01:14:14,684 --> 01:14:17,053
This is one of the
movies that he took me
1312
01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:19,022
to screenings of and
watched with me too as well.
1313
01:14:19,022 --> 01:14:21,791
I think he used it
to teach both of us.
1314
01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:24,027
- It was the very first
film that I watched
1315
01:14:24,027 --> 01:14:26,329
with my father and
it's got that great
1316
01:14:26,329 --> 01:14:30,433
father daughter story so
it's very special to me.
1317
01:14:32,335 --> 01:14:34,771
- You meet my mama
in a bar room?
1318
01:14:34,771 --> 01:14:36,840
- Where would you get
a question like that?
1319
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,142
- I hear Mrs. Polly
talking neighbor lady
1320
01:14:39,142 --> 01:14:40,476
says wonder if you was my pa.
1321
01:14:40,476 --> 01:14:44,848
- Well don't the world
have a wild imagination.
1322
01:14:47,651 --> 01:14:51,120
- I found out when I married
Laszlo and I had a baby
1323
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,958
that Laszlo had another
child but chose not to
1324
01:14:55,892 --> 01:14:57,994
know her at that
particular time.
1325
01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:00,329
- I mean it was
top secret I mean
1326
01:15:00,329 --> 01:15:03,633
nobody knew about,
nobody knew about it.
1327
01:15:05,301 --> 01:15:09,472
- He took care of
her financially
through all the years.
1328
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,175
But really didn't
know how to approach
1329
01:15:12,175 --> 01:15:15,511
being a father to a
child he hadn't met
1330
01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:17,046
and didn't know what
to say to our child
1331
01:15:17,046 --> 01:15:21,951
once we had a baby, so he
went out and found her.
1332
01:15:21,951 --> 01:15:26,422
And she met her father and
her sister in the same day.
1333
01:15:26,422 --> 01:15:30,226
And within really minutes
it just became one family.
1334
01:15:30,226 --> 01:15:34,163
- And they fell in love with
each other, the whole family.
1335
01:15:34,163 --> 01:15:37,500
They loved Nadia, Nadia
is a wonderful girl.
1336
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:39,769
And finally she had a father
1337
01:15:39,769 --> 01:15:42,171
and Laszlo had another daughter.
1338
01:15:51,748 --> 01:15:55,919
- I told you I don't want
you riding with me no more.
1339
01:15:59,188 --> 01:16:01,124
- You still owe me $200.
1340
01:16:05,729 --> 01:16:06,562
Mose look!
1341
01:16:11,835 --> 01:16:12,669
- Come on.
1342
01:16:15,639 --> 01:16:16,472
Hurry up.
1343
01:16:24,147 --> 01:16:27,951
- I admire the brotherhood
that they have.
1344
01:16:27,951 --> 01:16:31,454
They really love one another,
they respect one another.
1345
01:16:31,454 --> 01:16:34,691
And they're open to one another.
1346
01:16:34,691 --> 01:16:37,927
I feel that they
matter to one another.
1347
01:16:53,376 --> 01:16:55,378
- It should be here now.
1348
01:16:57,413 --> 01:16:59,883
Great wow look at that.
1349
01:16:59,883 --> 01:17:03,887
Politically and personally
he's very progressive,
1350
01:17:05,088 --> 01:17:06,856
and I admire that
about him because
1351
01:17:06,856 --> 01:17:09,058
it would be a lot easier,
most people in fact
1352
01:17:09,058 --> 01:17:13,129
who are immigrants from
communism tend to be very
1353
01:17:14,764 --> 01:17:18,702
conservative in their
politics and he never was.
1354
01:17:18,702 --> 01:17:22,538
He really is a very young
person in his thinking.
1355
01:17:22,538 --> 01:17:25,041
He never likes to look back.
1356
01:17:25,041 --> 01:17:27,777
And he also, it's
not so much that he
1357
01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:29,979
likes to work with
young people but I think
1358
01:17:29,979 --> 01:17:33,717
he always thinks like
a young person himself.
1359
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:38,421
- Sometimes you
have to do something
1360
01:17:38,421 --> 01:17:40,656
which you don't have
experience about it.
1361
01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:43,659
I never worked in a
steel mill before.
1362
01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,561
So maybe that was a
lucky thing because
1363
01:17:45,561 --> 01:17:48,397
I just walked into
the steel mill
1364
01:17:48,397 --> 01:17:52,769
and I saw this blue light
coming in from the outside.
1365
01:17:52,769 --> 01:17:56,605
Again this red light of
the flow of the steel.
1366
01:17:57,941 --> 01:18:00,243
I put gels on the
light to just recreate
1367
01:18:00,243 --> 01:18:03,512
exactly the way that
was and I thought
1368
01:18:03,512 --> 01:18:07,583
it was fascinating to see the
work done in the steel mill.
1369
01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:10,686
- I just think Deer
Hunter is truly one of the
1370
01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:13,422
probably five greatest
American films ever made.
1371
01:18:13,422 --> 01:18:15,992
And I'd say that
without, even if
1372
01:18:15,992 --> 01:18:18,061
I didn't know anyone
involved in it.
1373
01:18:18,061 --> 01:18:22,531
And it has such depth
and such power and also
1374
01:18:22,531 --> 01:18:25,201
the fact that there are
Eastern European immigrants
1375
01:18:25,201 --> 01:18:28,371
involved and it's
about this community
1376
01:18:28,371 --> 01:18:31,007
of Eastern Europeans and
the fact that Vilmos is,
1377
01:18:31,007 --> 01:18:33,777
all that I don't
know whether that was
1378
01:18:33,777 --> 01:18:37,680
coincidental or part
of some zeitgeist.
1379
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,549
That certainly is a
film that stands out.
1380
01:18:40,549 --> 01:18:41,484
And then along came
1381
01:18:41,484 --> 01:18:43,286
The Deer Hunter which of course
1382
01:18:43,286 --> 01:18:45,955
made everyone stop
dead in their tracks,
1383
01:18:45,955 --> 01:18:50,526
and it caused people to
look at the United States
1384
01:18:50,526 --> 01:18:52,796
in a completely different way.
1385
01:18:52,796 --> 01:18:57,333
- It really taught I think
the public more about
1386
01:18:57,333 --> 01:19:00,770
how the war in Vietnam
affected everybody
1387
01:19:00,770 --> 01:19:02,738
and what was really
happening behind the scenes
1388
01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:05,308
without it being sensational,
it was all about people.
1389
01:19:05,308 --> 01:19:07,110
He had gone through
that so he knew.
1390
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:09,345
I think there was
something instinctive
1391
01:19:09,345 --> 01:19:11,981
that went beyond being
instinctive cinematography.
1392
01:19:11,981 --> 01:19:13,616
It was instinctive
story telling.
1393
01:19:22,425 --> 01:19:25,895
A good movie
photography has to blend in
1394
01:19:25,895 --> 01:19:29,833
in the story and you
cannot be too good
1395
01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:32,301
or you cannot be too
bad I mean you have to
1396
01:19:32,301 --> 01:19:35,738
go whatever the story is about.
1397
01:19:35,738 --> 01:19:36,806
- I love you.
1398
01:19:41,845 --> 01:19:44,881
- We really wanted
to make it look like
1399
01:19:44,881 --> 01:19:49,385
a documentary on newsreels
and not over lighting it.
1400
01:19:49,385 --> 01:19:52,856
And luckily we could not
even over light the scenes
1401
01:19:52,856 --> 01:19:55,258
because we hardly had
any equipment there.
1402
01:19:55,258 --> 01:19:58,261
- When you have
people who come from
1403
01:19:59,595 --> 01:20:02,731
the training of life and truth,
1404
01:20:02,731 --> 01:20:06,269
who come with the respect
and dignity of their craft,
1405
01:20:06,269 --> 01:20:08,537
when they not only
bring it to film
1406
01:20:08,537 --> 01:20:10,173
but then they bring
it and are willing
1407
01:20:10,173 --> 01:20:13,509
to share it with others
there's nothing greater.
1408
01:20:25,488 --> 01:20:28,491
* God bless America
1409
01:20:29,926 --> 01:20:32,828
* Land that I love
1410
01:20:34,463 --> 01:20:38,534
* Stand beside her and guide her
1411
01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:44,908
* Through the night
with a light from above
1412
01:20:51,948 --> 01:20:53,116
You're listening to
1413
01:20:53,116 --> 01:20:55,484
All Things Considered
from NPR News.
1414
01:20:55,484 --> 01:20:58,487
As a student in
Budapest Laszlo Kovacs
1415
01:20:58,487 --> 01:21:01,357
and a friend filmed
the 1956 Hungarian
1416
01:21:01,357 --> 01:21:03,692
uprising against
the Soviet Union.
1417
01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:05,394
When the revolution was crushed
1418
01:21:05,394 --> 01:21:06,996
they fled the country
with their film,
1419
01:21:06,996 --> 01:21:09,365
took refuge here and made
their way to Hollywood
1420
01:21:09,365 --> 01:21:11,935
where he became a
cinematographer.
1421
01:21:11,935 --> 01:21:15,171
Kovacs died in his
sleep Sunday at age 74
1422
01:21:15,171 --> 01:21:18,141
and he left behind an
extraordinary body of work.
1423
01:21:18,141 --> 01:21:19,442
He was one of those people who
1424
01:21:19,442 --> 01:21:21,877
changed the look
of America movies.
1425
01:21:21,877 --> 01:21:23,379
He filmed Easy Rider--
1426
01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:25,581
- He just woke up
with a headache.
1427
01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:28,417
And I said why don't you
just go rest and I'll,
1428
01:21:28,417 --> 01:21:32,155
I'll give you breakfast
when you feel better.
1429
01:21:33,556 --> 01:21:35,724
He just never felt better.
1430
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:40,429
And he was gone by
the next morning.
1431
01:21:40,429 --> 01:21:44,600
- They had a memorial there
and I was there you know.
1432
01:21:45,768 --> 01:21:48,704
They showed Laszlo's
ten minutes film
1433
01:21:49,872 --> 01:21:53,142
with Laszlo in the
movies and they really
1434
01:21:55,844 --> 01:21:58,982
were thinking about him a lot.
1435
01:21:58,982 --> 01:22:03,719
- Frankly I think that Laszlo
had one widow and it's Vilmos.
1436
01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:08,157
I think they were as close
as two men could ever be.
1437
01:22:08,157 --> 01:22:11,360
- It's nice to
always have somebody
1438
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,531
like that person a good
friend who is close to you.
1439
01:22:16,699 --> 01:22:20,169
And same understanding
about our problems.
1440
01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:24,840
Whether it was a
personal problem
1441
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,376
or whether it was
a business problem.
1442
01:22:27,376 --> 01:22:30,546
It was always nice to
be able to call him up.
1443
01:22:30,546 --> 01:22:33,649
Even if we were
living further apart.
1444
01:22:34,583 --> 01:22:36,752
And I don't have that now.
1445
01:22:45,294 --> 01:22:48,797
There's
no race to goodness.
1446
01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:52,968
There no race to becoming a
legend or winning the prize.
1447
01:22:57,273 --> 01:23:01,377
And I think that many people
don't really understand
1448
01:23:02,978 --> 01:23:06,249
the importance and
the impact of simply
1449
01:23:07,483 --> 01:23:10,219
showing up every day
and doing your job
1450
01:23:10,219 --> 01:23:13,656
with great integrity
and having the courage
1451
01:23:13,656 --> 01:23:16,825
to just simply be
good at what you do,
1452
01:23:19,562 --> 01:23:22,631
and really trying to figure out
1453
01:23:22,631 --> 01:23:26,469
how can I lend myself
to creating this moment,
1454
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,610
then this one, then this one,
the very best that I can.
1455
01:23:37,113 --> 01:23:37,946
That's it.
1456
01:23:46,322 --> 01:23:50,959
Both you and
Laszlo very handsome men.
1457
01:23:52,361 --> 01:23:53,629
Nothing, just take it.
1458
01:23:53,629 --> 01:23:54,863
- Thank you very much.
1459
01:23:54,863 --> 01:23:56,099
Yeah
take it, just take it.
1460
01:23:56,099 --> 01:23:59,468
- Thanks my mother,
thanks my father.
1461
01:23:59,468 --> 01:24:01,104
No it's
for me very pleasant
1462
01:24:01,104 --> 01:24:05,174
to look at all your
footage and photographs.
1463
01:24:05,174 --> 01:24:07,243
I'm falling in love every day.
1464
01:24:07,243 --> 01:24:08,777
You're more
in love with Vilmos or Laszlo?
1465
01:24:08,777 --> 01:24:11,414
It's hard
very hard, very very hard.
1466
01:24:11,414 --> 01:24:14,583
- She has no choice
now Laszlo's gone.
1467
01:24:17,086 --> 01:24:20,423
Laszlo left all his
ladies for me now.
1468
01:24:20,423 --> 01:24:22,991
Right, exactly.
1469
01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:25,461
Now you're in trouble.
1470
01:24:25,461 --> 01:24:26,962
- All those old ladies.
1471
01:24:26,962 --> 01:24:31,134
* Tonight my heart
is full of a sad song
1472
01:24:33,802 --> 01:24:38,107
* My lonesome
lover has taken off
1473
01:24:38,107 --> 01:24:40,143
* I'm wandering
around on a cloud
1474
01:24:40,143 --> 01:24:41,977
- That's my left
side, oh there we go.
1475
01:24:41,977 --> 01:24:43,146
- Yeah that's it.
1476
01:24:44,313 --> 01:24:45,514
- Oh yeah it's great.
1477
01:24:45,514 --> 01:24:48,317
- Good bad, good
bad, good bad, good.
1478
01:24:48,317 --> 01:24:52,155
- And you, you have to
mysteriously disappear.
1479
01:24:53,289 --> 01:24:55,191
Bye, see you next time.
1480
01:24:58,827 --> 01:25:00,429
I hope to see you soon.
1481
01:25:00,429 --> 01:25:02,165
Let me see can I find you.
1482
01:25:02,165 --> 01:25:04,066
* These stories about this
1483
01:25:04,066 --> 01:25:05,334
And mark it.
1484
01:25:05,334 --> 01:25:08,671
* So brave and so alive
1485
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:13,876
* Turning this world around
from the out to the inside
1486
01:25:19,948 --> 01:25:24,587
* Well our courtship
was brief and magnetic
1487
01:25:24,587 --> 01:25:28,757
* I was singing
at the corner bar
1488
01:25:29,692 --> 01:25:33,996
* And we both felt so romantic
1489
01:25:33,996 --> 01:25:37,933
* We took a walk with the moon
1490
01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:41,370
* Down to the train yard
1491
01:25:45,408 --> 01:25:47,610
* Well it was too much for me
1492
01:25:47,610 --> 01:25:50,413
* My gypsy heart was inflamed
1493
01:25:50,413 --> 01:25:52,548
* Put me at the
head of your list
1494
01:25:52,548 --> 01:25:56,819
* And don't forget
to call my name
1495
01:25:56,819 --> 01:25:59,255
* Well I fell in love with a boy
1496
01:25:59,255 --> 01:26:03,359
* Who has a real live
romance with a train
1497
01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:07,596
- I gotta go on the stage now.
1498
01:26:07,596 --> 01:26:09,332
* Oh
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