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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,506 --> 00:00:06,650 What's the most disturbing genre in movies? 2 00:00:10,595 --> 00:00:13,765 For many, the answer is body horror. 3 00:00:17,101 --> 00:00:19,020 Sort of queasy to think 4 00:00:19,062 --> 00:00:21,940 we're walking packages of flesh 5 00:00:21,981 --> 00:00:24,817 just waiting for a virus to corrupt us. 6 00:00:27,153 --> 00:00:29,739 When the body is the host of something from within, 7 00:00:29,781 --> 00:00:31,533 how horrifying is that? 8 00:00:33,576 --> 00:00:35,662 All these deep, repressed things that people 9 00:00:35,703 --> 00:00:37,956 don't wanna think about, and what if they all came out? 10 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:45,004 We'll tear your soul apart. 11 00:00:45,046 --> 00:00:46,506 Oh, "Hellraiser""s incredible. 12 00:00:48,466 --> 00:00:50,718 It's sort of wonderfully delicious. 13 00:00:52,345 --> 00:00:54,138 It is all about the terror of being alive, 14 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:55,765 and the terror of having a body, 15 00:00:55,807 --> 00:00:57,100 and the terror of other people, 16 00:00:57,141 --> 00:00:58,202 and the terror of the naturl 17 00:00:58,226 --> 00:00:59,184 and supernatural world. 18 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:03,648 I am a human being! 19 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:07,443 That is at the core of body horror... 20 00:01:07,485 --> 00:01:09,004 what makes the human being a human being? 21 00:01:10,572 --> 00:01:12,949 Is it this or is it something else? 22 00:01:45,398 --> 00:01:48,026 We all have bodies. 23 00:01:48,067 --> 00:01:50,194 Some are young and strong. 24 00:01:51,613 --> 00:01:54,866 Others are crumbling prisons. 25 00:01:54,907 --> 00:01:58,578 It doesn't take much to go from one state to the other. 26 00:02:01,289 --> 00:02:02,749 A little time... 27 00:02:04,375 --> 00:02:05,167 Disease... 28 00:02:06,919 --> 00:02:08,338 And misfortune... 29 00:02:10,506 --> 00:02:13,092 And you could be living body horror. 30 00:02:15,803 --> 00:02:19,098 But for some people, there is a special thrill 31 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:22,268 in exploring the terrors of the flesh 32 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:24,812 and the extremes of sensation. 33 00:02:24,854 --> 00:02:26,648 People like Clive Barker, 34 00:02:26,689 --> 00:02:28,900 writer-director of the ground-breaking 35 00:02:28,941 --> 00:02:32,612 psychosexual horror classic, 36 00:02:32,654 --> 00:02:33,988 "Hellraiser." 37 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:38,701 We have such sights 38 00:02:38,743 --> 00:02:40,536 to show you. 39 00:02:42,372 --> 00:02:44,374 "Hellraiser" begins 40 00:02:44,415 --> 00:02:46,751 as thrill-seeking bad boy Frank opens up a portal 41 00:02:46,793 --> 00:02:50,004 to a dimension o pleasure and pain. 42 00:02:54,342 --> 00:02:56,386 After Frank's apparent death, 43 00:02:56,427 --> 00:02:59,806 his brother Larry, edgy second wife Julia, 44 00:02:59,847 --> 00:03:02,600 and Larry's daughter Kirsty move into the family home. 45 00:03:04,811 --> 00:03:07,647 But bits of Frank are still in the floorboards. 46 00:03:07,689 --> 00:03:09,899 A dash of blood gives him a way 47 00:03:09,941 --> 00:03:12,026 to escape the hell dimension. 48 00:03:18,533 --> 00:03:21,119 One of the things I love about that film, 49 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,706 the transformation from nothingness 50 00:03:24,747 --> 00:03:26,958 to this man forming. 51 00:03:29,085 --> 00:03:31,671 Little by little, you start to see more of the body, 52 00:03:31,713 --> 00:03:33,148 and initially it's some really wonderful 53 00:03:33,172 --> 00:03:35,216 sort of puppetry work. 54 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:37,218 And then it turns into a real actor 55 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:39,137 with this sort of sinewy, bloody muscles. 56 00:03:43,434 --> 00:03:45,476 Julia? 57 00:03:45,518 --> 00:03:47,186 Frank's return reanimates 58 00:03:47,228 --> 00:03:49,147 his secret affair with Julia. 59 00:03:49,188 --> 00:03:51,691 You'll do it? 60 00:03:51,733 --> 00:03:53,234 Yes. 61 00:03:54,694 --> 00:03:56,821 I will. 62 00:03:56,863 --> 00:03:59,198 She begins luring men into the attic... 63 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:02,344 To feed Frank their flesh. 64 00:04:04,746 --> 00:04:06,932 The wonderful thing about "Hellraiser" is that in fact, 65 00:04:06,956 --> 00:04:08,332 though it's a horror film, 66 00:04:08,374 --> 00:04:10,334 it's really a very sick love story. 67 00:04:10,376 --> 00:04:13,671 Julia is so in love 68 00:04:13,713 --> 00:04:15,882 with Frank, but she can't leave him. 69 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:17,300 We know what that's like. 70 00:04:17,341 --> 00:04:18,968 You get in a relationship with someone, 71 00:04:19,010 --> 00:04:20,279 you know it's unhealthy, but you just can't get out. 72 00:04:20,303 --> 00:04:21,804 You won't leave. 73 00:04:21,846 --> 00:04:23,973 She is so addicted 74 00:04:24,015 --> 00:04:26,642 to this diseased love affair 75 00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:29,103 that she would be willing to go out and kill people 76 00:04:29,145 --> 00:04:30,855 to help bring him back to life. 77 00:04:30,897 --> 00:04:33,191 I'm going to live and you're going to help me, yes? 78 00:04:33,232 --> 00:04:34,901 Yes. 79 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:39,031 In the ultimate case of identity theft, 80 00:04:39,071 --> 00:04:41,991 Frank kills his brother and puts on his skin. 81 00:04:44,535 --> 00:04:46,329 But his plans are disrupted 82 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:49,415 by his resourceful young niece. 83 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:51,751 Give me that. 84 00:04:54,837 --> 00:04:58,925 I think Kirsty is a very normal girl 85 00:04:58,966 --> 00:05:03,095 and doesn't expect that the trajectory of her life 86 00:05:03,137 --> 00:05:05,389 will end up having to negotiate 87 00:05:05,431 --> 00:05:07,058 with demons from hell 88 00:05:07,099 --> 00:05:08,976 for her own soul. 89 00:05:09,018 --> 00:05:11,938 Kirsty opens Frank's puzzle box... 90 00:05:13,272 --> 00:05:14,649 Accidentally summoning 91 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:17,944 Hellraiser's breakout stars, 92 00:05:17,985 --> 00:05:20,613 the Cenobites, 93 00:05:20,655 --> 00:05:25,117 transdimensional lords of pleasure and pain. 94 00:05:25,159 --> 00:05:27,662 They are the perfect combination 95 00:05:27,703 --> 00:05:30,665 of carnal and something otherworldly 96 00:05:30,706 --> 00:05:33,000 that is literally stitched together. 97 00:05:35,878 --> 00:05:37,672 There's a great image from "Hellraiser" 98 00:05:37,713 --> 00:05:39,298 that it's always just stuck with me, 99 00:05:39,340 --> 00:05:41,050 which is the Chatterer, 100 00:05:41,092 --> 00:05:44,971 and he's sticking his fingers down Kirsty's throat. 101 00:05:47,974 --> 00:05:49,934 And that, to me, just sums up "Hellraiser." 102 00:05:49,976 --> 00:05:52,728 It's invasive. It just pushes the limits. 103 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:57,525 "Hellraiser""s sadomasochistic imagery 104 00:05:57,567 --> 00:05:59,819 was highly unusual for its time. 105 00:05:59,861 --> 00:06:02,488 The unique look of the Cenobites, 106 00:06:02,530 --> 00:06:05,658 tight, black leather and extreme body modifications, 107 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,036 was inspired by the S&M culture. 108 00:06:09,078 --> 00:06:12,164 Clive Barker took their darkly erotic style 109 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:13,666 into the mainstream. 110 00:06:13,708 --> 00:06:15,626 Clive Barker is kind of the master 111 00:06:15,668 --> 00:06:18,296 of sexuality in horror. 112 00:06:20,381 --> 00:06:22,550 Clive is, quite famously, g, and, you know, 113 00:06:22,592 --> 00:06:26,304 a lot of his material comes from that perspective, 114 00:06:26,345 --> 00:06:29,515 but it's not abut a sexual preference, 115 00:06:29,557 --> 00:06:31,266 it's about gender issues, 116 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:36,188 it's about the threat of what one's gender represents. 117 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:40,526 He's showing us parts of ourselves 118 00:06:40,568 --> 00:06:42,445 that we didn't even know existed, 119 00:06:42,486 --> 00:06:46,073 and because he doesn't make moral judgement, 120 00:06:46,115 --> 00:06:48,159 everything is fair game. 121 00:06:51,162 --> 00:06:53,122 With the help of the Cenobites, 122 00:06:53,164 --> 00:06:56,834 Kirsty has her bloody revenge on Frank. 123 00:06:59,712 --> 00:07:03,841 The Cenobites are impartial. 124 00:07:03,883 --> 00:07:07,386 I don't think Clive wrote them as bad or evil. 125 00:07:07,428 --> 00:07:09,388 They give people what they ask for. 126 00:07:09,430 --> 00:07:10,848 Explorers 127 00:07:10,890 --> 00:07:13,225 in the further regions of experience, 128 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:15,353 demons to some, 129 00:07:15,394 --> 00:07:17,563 angels to others. 130 00:07:17,605 --> 00:07:19,065 So in "Hellraiser," 131 00:07:19,106 --> 00:07:20,983 what is the monster? What is the menace? 132 00:07:21,025 --> 00:07:23,569 I think that the menace is really obsession, 133 00:07:23,611 --> 00:07:25,863 you know, much more than the demons. 134 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:29,200 You go with the demons 135 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:31,118 when you can't rise above your own obsessions, 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,912 your own fixation on the puzzle box, 137 00:07:32,954 --> 00:07:34,431 when you've turned away from your life 138 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:37,416 and into that unhealthy fixation. 139 00:07:37,458 --> 00:07:39,502 Not leaving us so soon, are you? 140 00:07:41,754 --> 00:07:43,631 Clive Barker blazed the trail 141 00:07:43,673 --> 00:07:45,967 for sexually transgressive monsters. 142 00:07:48,427 --> 00:07:50,096 But when it comes to body horror... 143 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,557 One name stands above them all: 144 00:07:55,226 --> 00:07:56,352 Cronenberg. 145 00:08:07,989 --> 00:08:10,866 Say the words "body horror" and odds are 146 00:08:10,908 --> 00:08:12,576 you'll immediately think of a film 147 00:08:12,618 --> 00:08:14,286 by David Cronenberg. 148 00:08:20,084 --> 00:08:22,253 The films Cronenberg made in Canada 149 00:08:22,294 --> 00:08:26,424 in the 1970s and '80s probed our deepest anxieties 150 00:08:26,465 --> 00:08:28,634 about the fagility of human bodies 151 00:08:28,676 --> 00:08:30,386 and human minds. 152 00:08:37,184 --> 00:08:40,521 Cronenberg was never solely out to shock. 153 00:08:42,648 --> 00:08:44,525 His early films 154 00:08:44,567 --> 00:08:46,652 were pointed commentaris on society, 155 00:08:46,694 --> 00:08:50,156 never sharper than in his film, "Videodrome." 156 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:54,243 You wanna try a few things? 157 00:08:55,161 --> 00:08:56,871 James Woods and Debbie Harry 158 00:08:56,912 --> 00:08:59,707 play Max and Nicki, amoral hedonists 159 00:08:59,749 --> 00:09:02,877 who become victims of their dark desires. 160 00:09:05,004 --> 00:09:09,008 The plot of "Videodrome," a TV station programmer 161 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:11,969 wants something with a little more pizazz 162 00:09:12,011 --> 00:09:16,682 and finds this bizarre show that shows torture. 163 00:09:19,393 --> 00:09:21,270 There's no plot. 164 00:09:21,312 --> 00:09:23,773 It just goes on like tht for an hour. 165 00:09:23,814 --> 00:09:27,276 Torture, murder, mutilation. 166 00:09:27,318 --> 00:09:29,695 - For perverts only. - It's absolutely brilliant. 167 00:09:29,737 --> 00:09:32,531 I mean, look, there's almost no production cost. 168 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:33,824 You can't take your eyes off it. 169 00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:35,576 It's incredibly realistic. 170 00:09:35,618 --> 00:09:37,703 Where do they get actors that can do this? 171 00:09:39,413 --> 00:09:41,332 He's fascinated with it 172 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:42,809 and he starts trying to track it down. 173 00:09:42,833 --> 00:09:44,418 Where are these videotapes coming from? 174 00:09:46,629 --> 00:09:48,839 Max learns that "Videodrome" tapes 175 00:09:48,881 --> 00:09:51,217 contain a hidden signal that triggers 176 00:09:51,258 --> 00:09:52,968 vivid hallucinations. 177 00:09:55,012 --> 00:09:56,847 It's all part of a right-wing conspiracy 178 00:09:56,889 --> 00:09:59,391 to clamp down on lax morality. 179 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:00,726 Please. 180 00:10:00,768 --> 00:10:02,561 You're getting fed this message 181 00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:06,524 through watching videos that are broadcast 182 00:10:06,565 --> 00:10:08,567 from a secret place somewhere on Earth. 183 00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,194 Murder. 184 00:10:13,614 --> 00:10:14,907 We've all kind of have a thing 185 00:10:14,949 --> 00:10:16,534 of watching something tha- 186 00:10:16,575 --> 00:10:18,160 that we probably shouldn't be watching, 187 00:10:18,202 --> 00:10:20,496 and we're kind of tantalized by it in some way, 188 00:10:20,538 --> 00:10:24,875 but we don't know why, or... we shouldn't be watching this. 189 00:10:29,088 --> 00:10:31,924 - God, I can't believe it. - I'll turn it off. 190 00:10:31,966 --> 00:10:35,052 No, no, no, it's okay. I can take it. 191 00:10:36,804 --> 00:10:40,141 It definitely starts a disintegration of the mind 192 00:10:40,182 --> 00:10:41,392 as well as the body. 193 00:10:43,435 --> 00:10:46,605 The TV starts, like, reaching into him, 194 00:10:46,647 --> 00:10:48,691 and he's got a... I mean, let's call it. 195 00:10:48,732 --> 00:10:49,984 It's a chest vagina. 196 00:10:52,653 --> 00:10:54,280 The videotape goes into him 197 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:57,241 or it goes into the TV... there's a lot of both. 198 00:10:57,283 --> 00:10:58,951 Oh, my God! 199 00:10:58,993 --> 00:11:02,496 It all feels very personal, you know? 200 00:11:02,538 --> 00:11:04,540 James Woods pulling the gun, 201 00:11:04,582 --> 00:11:08,460 that image of him just pulling the gun out of his stomach. 202 00:11:13,382 --> 00:11:16,927 Yes, you shoot flesh pellets from a flesh gun 203 00:11:16,969 --> 00:11:18,554 that's attached to the end of your arm, 204 00:11:18,596 --> 00:11:20,306 but is that really happening 205 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:23,559 or is that because of what you've been fed 206 00:11:23,601 --> 00:11:25,644 through watching television? 207 00:11:25,686 --> 00:11:28,522 Death to "Videodrome"! Long live the new flesh! 208 00:11:33,903 --> 00:11:36,155 What are you waiting for, lover? 209 00:11:36,197 --> 00:11:38,175 It's got all these crazy metaphors in it about, like, 210 00:11:38,199 --> 00:11:40,533 intimacy, and sexual weirdness, 211 00:11:40,534 --> 00:11:42,095 and exposing that part of yourself to other people, 212 00:11:42,119 --> 00:11:44,830 and also how you're influenced by the media 213 00:11:44,872 --> 00:11:46,290 and, like, what have you decided 214 00:11:46,332 --> 00:11:48,542 and what has the media decided for you, 215 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:51,503 which I still think is stuff that's if not as relevant, 216 00:11:51,545 --> 00:11:53,714 more relevant now. 217 00:11:53,756 --> 00:11:55,507 Long live the new flesh. 218 00:11:57,593 --> 00:11:59,345 My films tend to be very body-conscious, 219 00:11:59,386 --> 00:12:04,183 and the body, and what is, and what it does, 220 00:12:04,225 --> 00:12:06,685 and what it can do tends to be very central in my films. 221 00:12:06,727 --> 00:12:08,270 To a certain extent, 222 00:12:08,312 --> 00:12:10,522 it's your own body that's the monster. 223 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:15,819 He had lost his mother to cancer 224 00:12:15,861 --> 00:12:18,364 and was experienced 225 00:12:18,405 --> 00:12:22,243 with seeing the decline of the human body from within, 226 00:12:22,284 --> 00:12:24,286 a revolt from within, 227 00:12:24,328 --> 00:12:27,289 and so much of his work is about a body in revolt, 228 00:12:27,331 --> 00:12:30,542 and changing, and turning septic, 229 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:32,419 and almost evil. 230 00:12:34,630 --> 00:12:37,174 Cronenberg's first American studio film 231 00:12:37,216 --> 00:12:39,927 was his acclaimed remake of "The Fly." 232 00:12:42,096 --> 00:12:45,099 I'm working on something that'll change the world 233 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:47,017 and human life as we know it. 234 00:12:47,059 --> 00:12:48,936 Seth Brundle, 235 00:12:48,978 --> 00:12:51,272 memorably played by Jeff Goldblum, 236 00:12:51,313 --> 00:12:55,192 has invented a teleportation device. 237 00:12:55,234 --> 00:12:58,404 Unfortunately, when Seth tests it out, 238 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:01,573 his genetic pattern mixes with the DNA of a housefly. 239 00:13:09,999 --> 00:13:11,792 Seth slowly transforms 240 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:13,627 into a hybrid of man and insect, 241 00:13:13,669 --> 00:13:15,504 much to the horror of hi lover, 242 00:13:15,546 --> 00:13:17,464 played by Geena Davis. 243 00:13:17,506 --> 00:13:21,385 He's turning into a fly, she loves him madly, 244 00:13:21,427 --> 00:13:24,513 is seeing this change, can do nothing to stop it, 245 00:13:24,555 --> 00:13:26,890 and neither can he. He doesn't want to stop it. 246 00:13:26,932 --> 00:13:31,020 He thinks he's being enhanced, and in the beginning, he is. 247 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:32,497 It's purified me, it's cleansed me, 248 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:34,082 and I'll tell you, I think it's gonna allow me 249 00:13:34,106 --> 00:13:36,775 to realize the personal potential 250 00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:38,736 I've been neglecting all these years. 251 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:46,243 But then he's being destroyed from within, 252 00:13:46,285 --> 00:13:50,622 and their love has to pass this metamorphosis, 253 00:13:50,664 --> 00:13:52,166 and it's not possible. 254 00:13:52,207 --> 00:13:54,084 What will happen? 255 00:13:54,126 --> 00:13:55,461 Well, I think it's showing itself 256 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,171 as a bizarre form of cancer. 257 00:13:57,212 --> 00:13:59,423 The film was always looked upon as an AIDS metaphor. 258 00:13:59,465 --> 00:14:02,134 It was made during the height of the AIDS epidemic, 259 00:14:02,176 --> 00:14:05,763 but Cronenberg himself said he sort of saw it more 260 00:14:05,804 --> 00:14:08,849 as a metaphor for the aging process 261 00:14:08,891 --> 00:14:11,310 and how that gets fast-forwarded 262 00:14:11,352 --> 00:14:12,978 in this character. 263 00:14:15,773 --> 00:14:18,150 Body horror is a meditation 264 00:14:18,192 --> 00:14:22,154 on the transitory nature of the human form, 265 00:14:22,196 --> 00:14:25,574 and, you know, we all get old, we all decay. 266 00:14:25,616 --> 00:14:29,286 That's true horror to people. 267 00:14:34,291 --> 00:14:36,478 Geena Davis' character is really what that movie's about. 268 00:14:36,502 --> 00:14:39,004 She was trying to stay in there with him 269 00:14:39,046 --> 00:14:40,964 as long as she possibly could. 270 00:14:43,342 --> 00:14:46,345 God, no, no! 271 00:14:46,387 --> 00:14:47,930 But ultimately, 272 00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:48,990 she was the one who had to pull the trigger. 273 00:14:54,603 --> 00:15:00,192 I think that "The Fly" says as much about love 274 00:15:00,234 --> 00:15:01,944 as any film I've ever seen. 275 00:15:07,199 --> 00:15:09,284 But there's even more to body horror 276 00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:10,553 than decaying flesh and physical abnormality. 277 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,083 It also describes the reality of being dehumanized 278 00:15:16,125 --> 00:15:18,669 because you're desirable. 279 00:15:20,838 --> 00:15:23,757 Pretty faces, though, can mask deadly minds. 280 00:15:31,306 --> 00:15:34,810 When we think of body horror, 281 00:15:34,852 --> 00:15:36,079 we usually think of disease and deformity. 282 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:40,274 But being attractive 283 00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:42,776 can also open up a world of body horror, 284 00:15:42,818 --> 00:15:44,987 especially for women. 285 00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:52,077 Walking around in a female body is terrifying. 286 00:15:52,119 --> 00:15:53,912 You're a target, 287 00:15:53,954 --> 00:15:55,914 you're an object, and I think 288 00:15:55,956 --> 00:15:57,291 that is part of the reason why 289 00:15:57,332 --> 00:15:59,626 we put up all these walls is to, you know, 290 00:15:59,668 --> 00:16:00,878 obviously, protect that. 291 00:16:03,881 --> 00:16:06,842 Beauty can make you the target of predatory men. 292 00:16:08,802 --> 00:16:10,721 Just as a perfect surface 293 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:14,600 can mask something twisted underneath. 294 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:20,022 In horror, both things can be true at the same time, 295 00:16:20,063 --> 00:16:22,274 as we see in the films "Audition"... 296 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:27,422 And "Under the Skin." 297 00:16:30,157 --> 00:16:32,743 "Under the Skin" follows an alien succubus 298 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:36,413 whose mission is to collect men for use as a food source 299 00:16:36,455 --> 00:16:38,290 for her people. 300 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,470 The Collector knows humans are easily manipulated 301 00:16:51,512 --> 00:16:55,224 by appearances, which mean nothing to it. 302 00:16:55,265 --> 00:16:58,227 - Do you think I'm pretty? - Aye, I think you're gorgeous. 303 00:16:58,268 --> 00:17:00,979 - Do you? - Aye, definitely. 304 00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:03,106 Good. 305 00:17:03,148 --> 00:17:04,918 So when the Collector picks up a man 306 00:17:04,942 --> 00:17:07,027 suffering from neurofibromatosis, 307 00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:09,863 the Elephant Man's disease, 308 00:17:09,905 --> 00:17:12,658 she can effortlessly capture him. 309 00:17:19,373 --> 00:17:21,291 But for the first time, 310 00:17:21,333 --> 00:17:23,919 she feels sympathy for her prey. 311 00:17:23,961 --> 00:17:26,296 We all love the assassin 312 00:17:26,338 --> 00:17:28,757 who struggles with carrying out their task 313 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:30,652 because they've fallen in love with their target, 314 00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:33,595 and that's essentially what happens 315 00:17:33,637 --> 00:17:35,681 in "Under the Skin," 316 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:39,434 is that she slowly becos enamored of humanity 317 00:17:39,476 --> 00:17:41,937 and the complexities of being human. 318 00:17:47,943 --> 00:17:49,861 One of the most beautiful moments 319 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,572 in "Under the Skin," for me, 320 00:17:51,613 --> 00:17:54,700 was when Scarlett Johansson pauses 321 00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:58,745 and stares at the fly trapped in the spider's web 322 00:17:58,787 --> 00:18:03,709 and then decides to let one of her victims go. 323 00:18:05,544 --> 00:18:09,298 And that is the cascade that everything falls apart 324 00:18:09,339 --> 00:18:11,675 and leads to her demise. 325 00:18:11,717 --> 00:18:13,927 The Collector abandons her mission 326 00:18:13,969 --> 00:18:16,763 and attempts to enjoy her human body, 327 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,557 but she's doomed to fail. 328 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,646 She tries to engage in consensual sex, 329 00:18:24,688 --> 00:18:26,773 and it tears her suit. 330 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,197 And the fact that his penis, his human penis, 331 00:18:34,239 --> 00:18:37,326 tore her human skin suit because it's, like... 332 00:18:37,367 --> 00:18:39,828 she's not there for penetration, 333 00:18:39,870 --> 00:18:43,540 was a fascinating kind of, like, wake-up call for her. 334 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:52,591 It's not your body, 335 00:18:52,633 --> 00:18:54,319 and you've convinced yoursef that it's your body, 336 00:18:54,343 --> 00:18:57,888 so it absolutely is Cronenbergian in that aspect. 337 00:18:59,765 --> 00:19:00,974 Because the Collector 338 00:19:01,016 --> 00:19:02,768 is in the body of a wom, 339 00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:05,062 she becomes the target of a violent man 340 00:19:05,103 --> 00:19:09,691 who first wants to rape her then wants to murder her. 341 00:19:15,572 --> 00:19:17,282 We experience through horror 342 00:19:17,324 --> 00:19:22,079 what we tend to gloss over and pretend isn't there. 343 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,206 The horror of what our own bodies can do, 344 00:19:24,247 --> 00:19:26,625 the horror of what other people can do, 345 00:19:26,667 --> 00:19:28,585 the sexism that we deal with every day 346 00:19:28,627 --> 00:19:30,420 is just what we deal with every day. 347 00:19:30,462 --> 00:19:32,297 It's how you react to it, 348 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:34,549 it's whether you let it bother you or not, 349 00:19:34,591 --> 00:19:36,402 and most of the time, you let it roll off your back, 350 00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:40,555 and we're all very used to how we're treated in general. 351 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:47,664 But in some body horror films... 352 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:50,941 Women are the punishers. 353 00:19:53,402 --> 00:19:56,405 They turn the tables on men who've objectified them 354 00:19:56,446 --> 00:19:58,573 and abused their power for sex. 355 00:20:01,535 --> 00:20:03,620 That's what happens in Takashi Miike's 356 00:20:03,662 --> 00:20:05,997 profoundly disturbing film... 357 00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:11,461 "Audition." 358 00:20:11,503 --> 00:20:14,589 "Audition" is... is horrifying. 359 00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:21,263 It starts out almost a social comedy 360 00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:23,265 about a lonely guy, 361 00:20:23,306 --> 00:20:26,476 and you're very sympathetic to the guy. 362 00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:29,521 This man is a widower and he is being encouraged 363 00:20:29,563 --> 00:20:31,106 by his son to get back out there 364 00:20:31,148 --> 00:20:32,941 and give it a go in the dating field. 365 00:20:36,361 --> 00:20:38,697 And they do 366 00:20:38,739 --> 00:20:41,199 just the absolutely despicable thing 367 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:44,494 of auditioning women to be his girlfriend. 368 00:20:44,536 --> 00:20:46,705 With the producer's help, 369 00:20:46,747 --> 00:20:50,834 the widower stages a fake casting call for a film, 370 00:20:50,876 --> 00:20:53,670 but he's really casting for his ideal woman: 371 00:20:53,712 --> 00:20:57,299 physically perfect and perfectly submissive. 372 00:20:57,340 --> 00:21:01,428 He thinks he finds her in shy, serene Asami. 373 00:21:01,470 --> 00:21:03,972 And this woman, you know, becomes enamored of him. 374 00:21:04,014 --> 00:21:05,932 She falls in love with him 375 00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:09,853 and realizes the premise with which she has come to know him. 376 00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:21,323 And being unstable, as the woman is, 377 00:21:21,364 --> 00:21:23,909 and being existing within a horror film, 378 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:25,827 her response to that is to 379 00:21:25,869 --> 00:21:30,207 get very specific and really innovative revenge 380 00:21:30,248 --> 00:21:32,042 on the man who deceived her. 381 00:21:39,758 --> 00:21:41,760 Every shot in "Audition" 382 00:21:41,802 --> 00:21:44,554 is meticulously framed and beautifully lit. 383 00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:49,392 The film's perfection hypnotizes you, 384 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:51,561 which makes the moment Asami goes to work 385 00:21:51,603 --> 00:21:54,523 with her needles and wire all the more jarring. 386 00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:03,573 Suddenly, this demon is unleashed. 387 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,141 The wire cutting in "Audition" is amazing. 388 00:22:20,215 --> 00:22:22,050 What... what is it? 389 00:22:33,562 --> 00:22:35,981 That's... that's such an upsetting film. 390 00:22:37,732 --> 00:22:39,317 The otherwise decent man 391 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,361 abuses his power one time, 392 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:43,280 but he pays for all the times 393 00:22:43,321 --> 00:22:45,365 it's been done to the womn in the past. 394 00:22:46,658 --> 00:22:48,827 And that's the point. 395 00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:52,330 You only need to do it once for it to be wrong. 396 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,291 The reaction to this man doing a bad thing 397 00:22:54,332 --> 00:22:55,625 is disproportionate, 398 00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,586 but in the context of a horror film, 399 00:22:57,627 --> 00:22:59,212 this is exactly what he had 400 00:22:59,254 --> 00:23:00,380 coming to him. 401 00:23:03,633 --> 00:23:06,636 Body horror films tear off our masks 402 00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:09,306 and expose us for who we really are. 403 00:23:11,016 --> 00:23:12,976 And sometimes, what's inside us 404 00:23:13,018 --> 00:23:14,603 isn't pretty. 405 00:23:22,611 --> 00:23:24,779 Body horror movies have always fascinated me. 406 00:23:27,282 --> 00:23:29,451 So much so that my first film deals 407 00:23:29,492 --> 00:23:32,746 with a highly-infectious skin-eating disease 408 00:23:32,787 --> 00:23:35,457 and how it tears apart a group of friends. 409 00:23:35,498 --> 00:23:38,293 Oh, my God. 410 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:43,340 I love how "Cabin Fever" draws inspiration 411 00:23:43,381 --> 00:23:47,844 from a lot of classic horror and gore films from "Evil Dead" 412 00:23:47,886 --> 00:23:51,389 to the body horror films of David Cronenberg, 413 00:23:51,431 --> 00:23:54,851 early Wes Craven and George Romero. 414 00:23:57,604 --> 00:23:59,439 Better close the door, Marcy. 415 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:03,234 You don't want to infect everyone. 416 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,863 The thing about "Cabin Fever" 417 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:09,282 is we didn't know what it was gonna be. 418 00:24:09,324 --> 00:24:10,951 I had never read a script like that. 419 00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:12,577 I think at the time, 420 00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:15,413 the scripts that were going ot for people our age 421 00:24:15,455 --> 00:24:17,791 didn't have that level of gore. 422 00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:22,253 They didn't have that grittiness 423 00:24:22,295 --> 00:24:24,381 and realness to them, 424 00:24:24,422 --> 00:24:26,633 and they weren't pushing the envelope so far. 425 00:24:26,675 --> 00:24:29,594 The guy had bowled people's organs. 426 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:31,763 Arms, legs, everything. 427 00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:35,767 And I thought, "This is gonna be really incredible 428 00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,936 or it's gonna blow up in our faces." 429 00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:42,273 Whoo! 430 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:44,109 No more finals! 431 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:47,195 "Cabin Fever" is about five friends 432 00:24:47,237 --> 00:24:52,033 who embark on a vacation in the woods, in a cabin, 433 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:57,163 and they each come down with a flesh-eating bacteria. 434 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,751 Oh, God. Here. 435 00:25:01,793 --> 00:25:04,004 The paranoia sort of sets in, 436 00:25:04,045 --> 00:25:06,923 and they start turning on each other. 437 00:25:06,965 --> 00:25:10,260 Okay, we can eat alone, we can sleep alone, whatever. 438 00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:13,972 We have to talk to each other, we have to work together. 439 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:22,689 The tone is just so odd, and it's mostly, you know, 440 00:25:22,731 --> 00:25:25,817 about the saturation level of the violence, and the gore, 441 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:27,652 and the... its intensity, you know? 442 00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:29,338 Everything is just so intene that you're, like... 443 00:25:29,362 --> 00:25:31,031 you jump and then you laugh 444 00:25:31,072 --> 00:25:33,199 because it's so ridiculous that this is happening. 445 00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:37,954 This guy's lit on fire, 446 00:25:37,996 --> 00:25:39,831 this dog is suddenly attacking, 447 00:25:39,873 --> 00:25:40,891 it's, like, it's just, oh, my God, 448 00:25:40,915 --> 00:25:42,709 it just keeps coming at yu 449 00:25:42,751 --> 00:25:44,145 and that's sot of... that's the fun of watching the movie. 450 00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:46,463 Paul, that guy asked for our help. 451 00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:49,340 We lit him on fire. 452 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:53,970 My character, Paul, is a horribly selfish person. 453 00:25:54,012 --> 00:25:56,389 Party's over, Winston. 454 00:25:56,431 --> 00:25:58,808 He's just worried about himself, and that's the karma. 455 00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:00,518 It comes back to bite him in the ass, 456 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,228 and then to bite them all in the ass. 457 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:08,777 The makeup effects were done by KNB, 458 00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:11,071 and they were back in LA, but the person on set 459 00:26:11,112 --> 00:26:13,530 was this amazing makeup artist named Garrett Immel, 460 00:26:13,531 --> 00:26:16,534 and it was really his ability to improvise with what we had. 461 00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:21,140 And when Garrett did the work on Jordan's face, for instance, 462 00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:24,626 this sort of legendary skull look, I mean, it was... 463 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,169 it was incredible. 464 00:26:27,879 --> 00:26:30,548 I had never done prosthetic makeup work before. 465 00:26:31,883 --> 00:26:33,885 It's incredible artistry, 466 00:26:33,927 --> 00:26:36,387 so applying it was, I would say, 467 00:26:36,429 --> 00:26:38,389 two to four hours. 468 00:26:38,431 --> 00:26:40,475 And then it's a slow process to take off, 469 00:26:40,517 --> 00:26:42,602 because they have to re-use the appliances, 470 00:26:42,644 --> 00:26:44,604 and if you just tear it offyour face, 471 00:26:44,646 --> 00:26:46,564 you'll tear your skin off, and then, in fact, 472 00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:50,068 it really... your face would look like mine did in "Cabin Fever." 473 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,904 But it was devastating to see myself that way. 474 00:26:52,946 --> 00:26:54,906 We all had to be sort of forewarned, 475 00:26:54,948 --> 00:26:58,326 because, you know, we didn't want Jordan to feel too bad. 476 00:26:58,368 --> 00:27:00,245 You know, how ugly she looked? 477 00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:01,764 'Cause it was like, your immediate reaction 478 00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:02,579 when she walked out of the trailer was like, 479 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:03,540 "Oh, my God!" 480 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,549 You're there with your best friend, 481 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:14,717 but then you have to kill your best friend 482 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,095 because of this thing that's inside them. 483 00:27:17,137 --> 00:27:20,473 And that's what the disease became in "Cabin Fever." 484 00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:22,767 You're with your best friend, 485 00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:25,937 but you gotta isolate them, or you've gotta kill them, 486 00:27:25,979 --> 00:27:28,940 because whatever is inside them could get inside you. 487 00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:31,818 And suddenly, you're not seen as human anymore, 488 00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:33,963 and I think that there's something very real about that. 489 00:27:33,987 --> 00:27:36,030 You know, when lepers have leprosy, 490 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:38,241 what do we do? We isolate them. 491 00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:40,285 When SARS happened, 492 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:41,387 when there's disease you don't understand, 493 00:27:41,411 --> 00:27:42,996 tent 'em off. 494 00:27:43,037 --> 00:27:44,747 People wanna get out? Too bad. 495 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:47,792 Epidemic, population control. Can't let it get out. 496 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:51,546 There's something really, really scary about that. 497 00:27:51,588 --> 00:27:53,131 Grim? 498 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:57,135 I would say it begins as a body horror film, 499 00:27:57,177 --> 00:28:00,013 but then the real villain is people's cruelty, you know? 500 00:28:00,054 --> 00:28:02,807 And people not willing to help somebody who has a disease. 501 00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:03,951 Don't come near me! 502 00:28:03,975 --> 00:28:05,643 - Jeff! - Stop, stop! 503 00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:07,061 I don't want to get sick! 504 00:28:07,103 --> 00:28:08,455 I don't want any of us getting sick! 505 00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:10,565 Horror films usually... usually leave you 506 00:28:10,607 --> 00:28:12,775 with a sense of dread about the world, 507 00:28:12,817 --> 00:28:15,987 and that's... I think that's healthy to explore. 508 00:28:17,989 --> 00:28:19,657 The more the movie can make you feel 509 00:28:19,699 --> 00:28:21,868 that reaction of, like, 510 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:24,245 "Oh, that's horrible, I dont want that in my life," 511 00:28:24,287 --> 00:28:25,705 good because that's what, 512 00:28:25,747 --> 00:28:27,224 you know, we shouldn't want those things. 513 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:29,292 We shouldn't want... like, violence is awful, 514 00:28:29,334 --> 00:28:31,586 and if we can confront it in a way that is, like... 515 00:28:31,628 --> 00:28:34,839 makes you want to look away, that is healthy, you know? 516 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:37,050 That's a good exercise of your imagination. 517 00:28:39,344 --> 00:28:41,322 Paranoia was the menace of "Cabin Fever"... 518 00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:43,430 Showtime, Billy! 519 00:28:43,431 --> 00:28:44,891 But sometimes, 520 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:46,351 they really are out to get you. 521 00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:48,770 What are you doing? 522 00:28:48,811 --> 00:28:50,647 Especially if you're part 523 00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:53,358 of the twisted world of "Society." 524 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:03,993 F. Scott Fitzgerald once famously said, 525 00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:05,536 "The rich are different." 526 00:29:09,082 --> 00:29:11,042 In the film "Society," 527 00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:14,504 the rich are literally another species... 528 00:29:14,545 --> 00:29:16,756 Wanna play? 529 00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:19,175 Parasitic lifeforms that feed on the poor. 530 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:27,892 Brian Yuzna's "Society" is one of my all-time favorite 531 00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:29,769 body horror movies. 532 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:32,522 The makeup effects by Screaming Mad George 533 00:29:32,563 --> 00:29:34,107 in that film are unmatched. 534 00:29:36,401 --> 00:29:37,777 "Society" is, like, 535 00:29:37,819 --> 00:29:42,156 where '80s teen movie meets Cronenberg. 536 00:29:42,198 --> 00:29:46,035 You've got a family with an older sister 537 00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:48,097 who's getting ready to have her debutante sort of thing, 538 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:50,581 and the younger brother who just doesn't feel like 539 00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:51,623 he fits into the family. 540 00:29:51,624 --> 00:29:52,918 Can't figure out why. 541 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:54,753 They don't approve of me, okay? 542 00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:56,922 They don't accept my friends. 543 00:29:59,132 --> 00:30:01,342 And then it becomes more and more clear that 544 00:30:01,384 --> 00:30:03,511 he's not actually part of the family. 545 00:30:03,553 --> 00:30:05,972 The parents and the sister are really the family, 546 00:30:06,014 --> 00:30:08,224 and they are part of this thing called "Society" 547 00:30:08,266 --> 00:30:09,684 that they're always worried about, 548 00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,352 like, "What will Society think?" 549 00:30:11,394 --> 00:30:13,289 "Bill, be careful, you have to fit into Society." 550 00:30:13,313 --> 00:30:16,733 You know, you'll make such a great contribution to Society. 551 00:30:19,277 --> 00:30:21,362 I'd never seen a horror movie 552 00:30:21,404 --> 00:30:22,989 that had a mythology 553 00:30:23,031 --> 00:30:25,575 that was based on class. 554 00:30:25,616 --> 00:30:27,702 You're a different race from us, 555 00:30:27,744 --> 00:30:31,622 a different species, a different class. 556 00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:36,252 The idea was how can you have fun with class exploitation? 557 00:30:36,294 --> 00:30:39,297 The film's paranoid teen hero, Billy, 558 00:30:39,339 --> 00:30:41,799 learns that he and his friends are pawns 559 00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:43,676 in a sinister conspiracy... 560 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:47,740 A conspiracy that the wealthiest people 561 00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:49,599 in Beverly Hills all seem to be a part of. 562 00:30:51,726 --> 00:30:55,271 Definitely has the format of a high school hijinks movie. 563 00:30:55,313 --> 00:30:59,650 The difference is is it quickly gets a little disturbing 564 00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:02,153 when Billy listens to the tape 565 00:31:02,195 --> 00:31:06,991 of his parents and sister going to her coming out party. 566 00:31:07,033 --> 00:31:09,702 On the schedule, first we dine, then copulation. 567 00:31:09,744 --> 00:31:11,579 With someone your own age first, 568 00:31:11,621 --> 00:31:13,289 then with your mother and me. 569 00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:14,791 All of a sudden, it's taken 570 00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:18,211 the high school hijinks to another place. 571 00:31:18,252 --> 00:31:20,671 That thing what I think it is? 572 00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:22,024 That's a really disgusting thing 573 00:31:22,048 --> 00:31:23,442 to bring into Mom and Dad's bedroom. 574 00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:28,221 Generally, it's accepted tht horror movies deal with taboos, 575 00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:31,641 and one of the main taboos that we have is incest. 576 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,354 It's so pervasive, that taboo, 577 00:31:36,396 --> 00:31:39,190 that we don't hardly talk about it much. 578 00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:41,734 I think it's the basis of a lot of horror movies 579 00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:44,153 implicitly, not explicitly. 580 00:31:44,195 --> 00:31:48,032 In "Society," we make it more explicit... 581 00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:49,617 If you have any edible fantasies 582 00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:52,370 you'd like to indulge in, Billy, now's the time. 583 00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:57,041 That discomfort about sex, 584 00:31:57,083 --> 00:32:00,211 which is really important in horror movies... 585 00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:03,089 I always feel like horror and sex and death 586 00:32:03,131 --> 00:32:05,049 are just so intertwined. 587 00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:08,470 Mom? Dad? 588 00:32:08,511 --> 00:32:10,930 I'd like to have a little chat with you. 589 00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:15,017 It turns out, 590 00:32:15,059 --> 00:32:16,894 Billy was adopted for the sole reason 591 00:32:16,936 --> 00:32:18,980 of broadening Society's inbred gene pool. 592 00:32:20,231 --> 00:32:22,733 I do love the... 593 00:32:22,775 --> 00:32:25,111 smell of the hunt... 594 00:32:25,153 --> 00:32:28,489 and the taste of the Shunt. 595 00:32:28,531 --> 00:32:29,740 Let go of me! 596 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,204 He'll be sacrificd at an event called the Shunt, 597 00:32:35,246 --> 00:32:38,207 where Society shows its true face 598 00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:41,502 and all of its other body parts. 599 00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:47,592 It's one of the strangest 600 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:50,761 and most disturbing sequencs ever put on film. 601 00:32:53,139 --> 00:32:56,934 They get together and their bodies merge. 602 00:32:56,976 --> 00:32:58,811 Their clothes come off, 603 00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,771 they start moving to this amorphous blob, 604 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:04,942 and they eat poor people, and they bathe in their blood, 605 00:33:04,984 --> 00:33:09,530 and you see all of it in graphic detail. 606 00:33:14,118 --> 00:33:17,163 It's the first time I had a chance to direct. 607 00:33:17,205 --> 00:33:20,791 I said, "Wow, what haven't I seen that I'd like to see?" 608 00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:22,502 I imagined a couple people in a room 609 00:33:22,543 --> 00:33:25,963 and their bodies kind of melding together. 610 00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:31,969 The whole idea of a big orgiastic ending... 611 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:34,972 I saw "The Ten Commandments" when I was a kid, 612 00:33:35,014 --> 00:33:37,600 and it really affected me, 613 00:33:37,642 --> 00:33:39,977 because, first of all, it's very magical. 614 00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:41,771 It's like a horror movie. 615 00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:45,483 The sea turns into blood... 616 00:33:47,318 --> 00:33:50,154 There's sticks that turn into serpents, 617 00:33:50,196 --> 00:33:54,158 there's a green mist that kills kids, 618 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,994 but at the end, there's this huge orgy 619 00:33:57,036 --> 00:34:01,415 when they're worshipping the golden calf. 620 00:34:01,457 --> 00:34:03,751 That certainly influenced me. 621 00:34:03,793 --> 00:34:05,253 The rich have always sucked off 622 00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:07,421 low-class like you. 623 00:34:09,257 --> 00:34:11,092 Obviously, it's, like, all a metaphor 624 00:34:11,133 --> 00:34:14,971 about propriety and fitting in and also capitalism 625 00:34:15,012 --> 00:34:17,932 and having the upper class act as though 626 00:34:17,974 --> 00:34:21,561 they've got access to much finer things, when really, 627 00:34:21,602 --> 00:34:25,856 they have access to much more upsetting and debased things. 628 00:34:27,858 --> 00:34:30,236 Physical monstrosity is often equated 629 00:34:30,278 --> 00:34:31,529 with moral deformity. 630 00:34:34,073 --> 00:34:35,992 But sometimes, 631 00:34:36,033 --> 00:34:38,661 the "normal" people are the monsters, 632 00:34:38,703 --> 00:34:43,541 and the so-called "freaks" are too good for this world. 633 00:34:50,006 --> 00:34:51,841 Body horror films play 634 00:34:51,882 --> 00:34:53,068 on a dark part of human psychology. 635 00:34:55,595 --> 00:34:57,680 Our discomfort with any physical difference 636 00:34:57,722 --> 00:34:58,889 from the norm. 637 00:35:01,392 --> 00:35:02,643 They have their roots 638 00:35:02,685 --> 00:35:04,604 in the carnival sideshows 639 00:35:04,645 --> 00:35:06,689 of the 19th and early 20th centuries, 640 00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:08,691 where people with birth defects, 641 00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:11,569 so-called "freaks," were put on display 642 00:35:11,611 --> 00:35:15,156 for the general public's amusement. 643 00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:18,242 Tod Browning, the director of "Dracula," 644 00:35:18,284 --> 00:35:21,120 worked those carnivals as a young man. 645 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,041 He turned his fascination 646 00:35:25,082 --> 00:35:26,917 with the performers into one of the most 647 00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:29,503 infamous horror films of all time: 648 00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:31,088 "Freaks." 649 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:33,132 Gooble, gobble, gooble, gobble. 650 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:35,301 We accept her, we accept her. 651 00:35:35,343 --> 00:35:37,637 Gooble, gobble, gooble, gobble! 652 00:35:37,678 --> 00:35:40,890 "Freaks" is a one-of-a-kind. It's a unique movie. 653 00:35:40,931 --> 00:35:43,184 How it got made, 654 00:35:43,225 --> 00:35:46,937 under the aegis of MGM in the 1930s, 655 00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:48,564 I will never understand. 656 00:35:48,606 --> 00:35:50,441 Tomorrow night's the big night, eh, Daisy? 657 00:35:50,483 --> 00:35:52,693 Yes. Your sister's getting married. 658 00:35:52,735 --> 00:35:56,781 Because MGM was the of movie studios, 659 00:35:56,822 --> 00:36:01,869 so for that studio to turn out this fascinating, 660 00:36:01,911 --> 00:36:04,789 and yet, sometimes repellant film, 661 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,208 is just a marvel. 662 00:36:08,209 --> 00:36:12,046 "Freaks" didn't rely on special effects makeups, 663 00:36:12,088 --> 00:36:14,965 it used disabled and deformed human beings 664 00:36:15,007 --> 00:36:18,010 from real circuses and sideshows across the country 665 00:36:18,052 --> 00:36:19,553 to be its main players. 666 00:36:19,595 --> 00:36:21,472 It reverses the tradition. 667 00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:24,767 It has the freaks, or the people we care about, 668 00:36:24,809 --> 00:36:27,603 and the beautiful people, the beautiful trapeze artists, 669 00:36:27,645 --> 00:36:30,022 and the strongmen, the physical specimens, 670 00:36:30,064 --> 00:36:31,399 are the monsters. 671 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,819 Well, here's something for your eye! 672 00:36:37,530 --> 00:36:40,074 The film spins the tale of a trapeze artist 673 00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:42,284 who marries a dwarf for his money 674 00:36:42,326 --> 00:36:44,412 then plots to murder him. 675 00:36:46,956 --> 00:36:48,290 When she's found out, 676 00:36:48,332 --> 00:36:50,209 the freaks take revenge. 677 00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:55,840 The thing about that movie that's so difficult 678 00:36:55,881 --> 00:37:01,220 is it generates such sympathy for the freaks. 679 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:04,098 And then the movie does this strange turn... 680 00:37:06,308 --> 00:37:07,935 Which is when they, all the freaks, 681 00:37:07,977 --> 00:37:09,520 come to mutilate her, 682 00:37:09,562 --> 00:37:11,689 there's images you don't forget. 683 00:37:22,283 --> 00:37:24,034 "Freaks" was attacked by critics 684 00:37:24,076 --> 00:37:25,703 and shunned by audiences. 685 00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:29,039 For decades, 686 00:37:29,081 --> 00:37:31,041 it was banned in many countries. 687 00:37:31,083 --> 00:37:33,043 Today, it's considered a significant part 688 00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:34,336 of film history. 689 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:42,261 In 1980, producer Mel Brooks 690 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:45,806 hired the young David Lynch to direct "The Elephant Man," 691 00:37:45,848 --> 00:37:48,434 a very diffrent take on physical deformity. 692 00:37:55,357 --> 00:37:57,902 Nominated for eight Academy Awards, 693 00:37:57,943 --> 00:38:00,112 "The Elephant Man" tells the true story 694 00:38:00,154 --> 00:38:01,614 of John Merrick, 695 00:38:01,655 --> 00:38:03,574 who goes from carnival exhibition 696 00:38:03,616 --> 00:38:06,243 to friend of the English aristocracy. 697 00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:08,412 Because naturally, 698 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:11,749 some people do find my appearance disturbing. 699 00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:14,418 "The Elephant Man" is probably the antithesis 700 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:16,295 of Tod Browning's "Freaks" 701 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:18,589 in that it is so sympathetic 702 00:38:18,631 --> 00:38:21,592 and it's from the point of view of someone 703 00:38:21,634 --> 00:38:23,928 who was born as a monster, 704 00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:27,431 even though his heart was that of an angel. 705 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,519 This is a man who's so deformed, so grotesque, 706 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,437 that he has to wear a mask 707 00:38:33,479 --> 00:38:35,064 so that he doesn't frighten everybody 708 00:38:35,105 --> 00:38:37,858 he comes in confrontation with. 709 00:38:39,819 --> 00:38:42,947 And is put on display in circuses 710 00:38:42,988 --> 00:38:45,282 because he's a freak. 711 00:38:45,324 --> 00:38:48,953 Elephant... Man. 712 00:38:50,913 --> 00:38:53,415 Lynch employs a naturalistic style 713 00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:55,918 that reflects the brutal realities of life 714 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,795 in Victorian England. 715 00:38:59,672 --> 00:39:01,966 But combines it with dreamlike touches 716 00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,843 that are uniquely his own. 717 00:39:09,765 --> 00:39:11,517 That film, in black and white, 718 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,644 just shimmers. 719 00:39:13,686 --> 00:39:17,064 The use of light and dark chiaroscuro shots... 720 00:39:17,106 --> 00:39:19,525 it's ironic that you can say it's a thing of beauty, 721 00:39:19,567 --> 00:39:21,193 even though it deals with 722 00:39:21,235 --> 00:39:23,320 someone who is anything but beautiful. 723 00:39:23,362 --> 00:39:26,740 But the power of that film is the very deft way 724 00:39:26,782 --> 00:39:31,537 that Lynch first reveals the look of John Marrick 725 00:39:31,579 --> 00:39:34,582 and then gradually lets you see him a little longer, 726 00:39:34,623 --> 00:39:36,959 and you begin to understand 727 00:39:37,001 --> 00:39:39,086 that it's not what's on the outside, 728 00:39:39,128 --> 00:39:41,630 but what's on the inside that really does count, 729 00:39:41,672 --> 00:39:45,426 corny as that may sound, but that's the entire premise. 730 00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:49,471 I am not an animal! 731 00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:56,520 I am a human being! 732 00:39:56,562 --> 00:39:58,606 The tagline of the movie on the poster, 733 00:39:58,647 --> 00:40:00,733 "I'm not an animal, I'm a human being," 734 00:40:00,774 --> 00:40:02,651 that is at the core of body horror... 735 00:40:02,693 --> 00:40:05,863 what makes a human being a human being. 736 00:40:05,905 --> 00:40:07,531 Is it... is it this? 737 00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:10,868 Or is it something else? Is it something below? 738 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:15,664 My life is full 'cause I know that I am loved. 739 00:40:15,706 --> 00:40:18,000 If you watch that film on an emotional level, 740 00:40:18,042 --> 00:40:19,293 I want to be John Merrick. 741 00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:22,004 He's a pure goodness, you know? 742 00:40:22,046 --> 00:40:23,714 He's a loving creature 743 00:40:23,756 --> 00:40:27,009 who's not been destroyed by all the darkness he's seen. 744 00:40:27,051 --> 00:40:28,802 What more could we wish for ourselves? 745 00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:30,846 She's very pretty, your mother. 746 00:40:30,888 --> 00:40:33,349 Oh, yes. 747 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:35,142 A friend of mine told me 748 00:40:35,184 --> 00:40:36,685 he saw "Elephant Man" in the theater, 749 00:40:36,727 --> 00:40:38,121 and there was a scene where the Elephant Man's 750 00:40:38,145 --> 00:40:40,397 talking to the singer woman, 751 00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:42,858 and it's a very sweet, gentle scene, 752 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:44,836 and she's kind of looking at him like he's a human, 753 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:46,570 and she saying, "It's so nice to meet you." 754 00:40:46,612 --> 00:40:48,572 And there's this quiet moment. 755 00:40:48,614 --> 00:40:50,324 And a guy in the theater went, 756 00:40:50,366 --> 00:40:53,619 "Kill her, Elephant Man!" 757 00:40:53,661 --> 00:40:55,996 Like, he's like, "It's a monster movie, right? 758 00:40:56,038 --> 00:40:58,457 When's Elephant Man gonna start killing people?" 759 00:41:03,128 --> 00:41:05,297 Sometimes disgusting, 760 00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:07,091 often disturbing... 761 00:41:08,968 --> 00:41:10,153 But always powerful... 762 00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:13,055 Body horror fils 763 00:41:13,097 --> 00:41:14,431 make us question our prejudices 764 00:41:14,473 --> 00:41:16,016 against physical difference... 765 00:41:16,058 --> 00:41:18,519 You filth! 766 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,021 Our attitudes about sex and gender... 767 00:41:25,776 --> 00:41:28,112 Our fear of disease and contamination... 768 00:41:31,115 --> 00:41:32,300 And how much our appearance 769 00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:34,284 determines who we are. 770 00:41:36,203 --> 00:41:38,122 They confront us with the beauty 771 00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:42,042 and horror of being human. 58153

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